Just ignore and reject this 2012 Civic. Its totally crap to me and many ppl worldwide. The Malaysian version of the new Civic will launch locally in the 2nd half of the year. The main reason for this is to push off old stock before the new facelift arrives. Those who dont know will rush to buy the Civic without realising that in 2013 the facelift will arrive in Malaysia. This would mean big loss of resale value for those who buy the 1st gen 2012 model. So please dont fall for this trap!

Honda planning 2012 Civic facelift after only 8 months after worldwide criticisms
Current version criticized for deficiencies in design, quality, drivability & poor braking

By Tom Krisher

ROMULUS, Mich. — Honda is scrambling to revamp its Civic just eight months after a new version hit showrooms, and critics say it’s an admission that the compact car fell short in quality and handling.

The facelift, to come by the end of 2012, is rare because new models aren’t usually overhauled for at least three years. Honda executives say they are trying to stay ahead in an increasingly competitive small-car market.

The new Civic was panned by critics when it started arriving at dealerships on April 20. Consumer Reports magazine said the new Civic was less agile than its predecessor, and its interior quality was worse. The magazine refused to give the Civic its coveted “Recommended Buy” rating, saying that the braking distances were long and it suffered from a choppy ride. The car’s sales dropped to fourth among U.S. compacts from May through November.

The previous Civic, which came out in 2005, was known for its sporty driving, high-quality interiors, lack of noise and excellent braking, said David Champion, senior director of auto testing for Consumer Reports. “The new one seems to have fallen apart in those areas,” said Champion, who thinks that Honda cut costs with the 2012 version.

Honda also recalled more than 1,000 of the 2012 Civics because a fuel line could leak as a result of a manufacturing error.

Honda has told dealers that a reworked Civic will arrive before the end of this year. The car’s sticker price starts around $16,000, and a base model with automatic transmission gets 32 miles per gallon in combined city and highway driving. Its price and fuel mileage are about the same as its competitors.

American Honda President Tetsuo Iwamura said yesterday that the company will improve the Civic’s drivability, but he stopped short of saying exactly what the company will do to the rest of the car.

This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Feb 4 2012, 11:01 AM

Compared to the 2012 Civic, the Altis is much better.

Yet another issue with the 2012 Civic:

http://news.consumerreports.org/safety/201...t-problems.html

Any interesting old article:

http://news.consumerreports.org/cars/2011/...-recommend.html


This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Jul 11 2012, 01:15 PM

At RM139K, is the 2.0L Civic really worth the price?

This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Jul 11 2012, 01:37 PM

Well said. The Japs are beginning to fall behind in terms of equipment and specs but yet they still choose to price their cars ridiculously high. I guess they will continue to do that as long as demand is there. Imagine paying RM 139K for a C segment 2.0L which got such poor ratings in the US until the Honda CEO had to come out and do damage control.

http://wot.motortrend.com/honda-admits-civ...013-140651.html

http://wot.motortrend.com/we-hear-honda-pu...vic-130717.html

http://hondacivicblog.com/archives/ceo-ito...012-honda-civic

This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Jul 11 2012, 01:45 PM

Civic is C segment while Camry & Accord are D segment.

How many of those who bought the Civic actually did so because it drives better? Are u sure it was 'drivability' that made the 8th gen Civic a success in Malaysia? I doubt so. Malaysians in general dont know what 'drivability' is in the first place. Im not much better myself.

This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Jul 11 2012, 03:17 PM

Thats the importance of consumer power. Do not buy something which we know is clearly a rip off. Same with that Camry at that price.

U and alot of ppl are rambling about the price which i agree. If its priced too high while u get something less, doesnt that qualify as a 'rip off'? If ure paying a higher price for something when you can get something better for an equal price or slightly more, doesnt that qualify too? Just how much of a rip off it is, is left to be seen.

But even if the high spec Civic 2.0L is priced at RM145K, there will be many who will buy not because they know anything about the specs but merely because its a new gen Civic and it holds a status symbol to a certain extent. So to these ppl, value for money is out the door. Well, thats their choice. I have made mine.

Dont claim Korean after sales service is lousy just because u havent owned a Korean before. Dont merely vomit out words spoken by others without experiencing it yourself. Ive had both Korean and Jap makes in my household and although the Koreans are not on par with the Japs but they have improved by leaps and bounds while the Japs slept.

Bro, i owned a Toyota for 9 years and i still left and went to a Korean. Yes I may not get the same after sales service standard and resale value, but i get value for money and higher safety standards (in comparison to the Camry 2.0L). The Civic's pricing is still high for a C segment but yes it will still sell well. But at least Honda has started offering 5 year unlimited mileage warranties while Toyota is still stuck with its 3 yr terms.

U say 'good quality stuff seels well' eh? So i guess Proton is the best quality brand in the Malaysian automotive industry eh while Porsche must be a load of crap? Sale figures matter for foreign makes but not the local ones. Best u state this qualifying statement too.

But yes the Japs have created a brand loyalty which spanned a few decades of quality and durability. But if they dont buck up, they will find the Koreans overtaking them in a few years.

This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Jul 12 2012, 02:00 PM

Funny, my sister's 08 City started rusting badly after 2 years. The gears were also jerking alot. Honda couldnt seem to find the source of the problem. She finally dumped it in 2011 and went for the Sylphy. Took a bit hit on the resale value too. I dont think she's gonna go back to Honda.

On Paultan, there are 46 positive votes vs 74 negative votes for the Civic today.

The Camry had 71 positive and 311 negative votes on its launch article.

This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Jul 12 2012, 07:02 PM

U still begging for another thrashing? U got thrashed on so many threads and yet u wanna start it again?

U mean u know that i will research like crazy before i put my money into something? Then ure spot on. But im not really sure about that category. Give me some time and ill get back to you with some options.

Which Korean are u refering to? Go touch the Optima dash board and then come back and tell me if its hard plastic or not. Take a pic of your hand touching as proof too. Btw, i had a Honda in my household also till last year.

Advantages to having a DOHC engine over a SOHC is that the engine has twice as many intake and exhaust valves as a SOHC engine. This makes the engine run cooler and more smoothly, quietly, and efficiently. But the downfall is that DOHC engines cost more for repairs.

DOHC engines also allows the spark plug to be placed right in the middle of the combustion chamber. This promotes efficient combustion. With SOHC, the camshaft is usually in the middle of the head because it has to drive both the intake and exhaust valves, robbing the sparkplug of it’s optimal location.

A SOHC 16 valve engine would have better torque on the low end where the DOHC valvetrain’s weight results in lower torque. But at high engine speeds, the 16 valve DOHC engine’s peak torque and horsepower would be greater.

This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Jul 13 2012, 10:13 AM

Bro, sorry but i think its you who needs to read your statement again. When u make a general statement like that without qualifying it, then the statement is assumed in its entirity. (part of my job scope requires me to draft project contract agreements).

Well u need to look at it from a different perspective as well. Most of those cars mentioned are top buck cars unlike the much cheaper Altis and Camry. Affordability of the masses plays an important role here. If Audi's, Lambo's and Porsche's were priced similar to say a Camry, do u really think the numbers would be lopsided?

Same reason why Proton is doing so well in Malaysia. Because their cars are cheaper than most of the foreign makes (through rather unfair practices of course). But does Proton's much better sale figures actually indicate a quality product? You be the judge.

Had a good look at the Civic today. I must say the interior is a real disappointment compared to the previous model. Really cheapo plastics especially on the dashboard and door panels. Some places on the doors are a little soft which is fine but the rest is all soo cheapo. If i hadnt known it was a Civic, i would have thought i was in an older generation Kia. The previous gen Civic had a touch of class and much higher quality standards for sure. In this new Civic, the interior and exterior have lost their class. Looks very normal. Also correct me if im wrong here but does the rear legroom seem a bit less compared to the previous model?

Not sure about the drivability of the car as i didnt get a chance to test drive, but i sure hope its much better than its design.

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Added on July 15, 2012, 1:55 amMy wife is also interested. But the interior quality is a major disappointment.

This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Jul 15 2012, 01:57 AM

Simple reason. Thts because of the brand and the status that comes with it. If u go Korean, ure considered a lower rank. Kinda pointless making the comparison in your wife's case. I quite sure she was all for the Japanese from the start or am i wrong?