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The Solid State Storage Thread
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can't find a SSD specialized thread in this forum, i'll put one up at this time and also post my intel 80GB G2 benchmarks
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SDD Controllers
Intel Gen1 - PC29AS21AA0 Intel X25-M G1 50nm Flash Kingston SSDNow E Series 
Intel Gen2 - PC29AS21BA0 Drives based on this controller:- Intel X25-M G2 34nm Flash Kingston SSDNow M Series 
Sandforce SF-1200 Series (Client Processor) Drives based on this controller:- Corsair F Series OWC Mercury Extreme Pro G.Skill Phoenix Pro OCZ Vertex 2 OCZ Agility 2 (with 10k random-write cap) OCZ Vertex LE OCZ Vertex 2 Pro OCZ Vertex 2 EX OCZ Vertex 2E OCZ Agility 2E Mushkin Callisto Deluxe  Sandforce SF-1500 Series (Enterprise Processor) Drives based on this controller:- OCZ Vertex 2 Pro Sandforce SF-2000 Series (upcoming) SF-2300 SF-2500 SF-2600 
http://www.sandforce.com/userfiles/file/do..._2010-10-07.pdf 
JMicron JMF602 Drives based on this controller:- OCZ Core Series 
JMicron JMF612 Drives based on this controller:- Corsair R Series ADATA S596 
Indilinx "barefoot" controller Drives based on this controller:- Corsair N Series Corsair E Series OCZ Vertex OCZ Agility OCZ Onyx OCZ Solid 2 OCZ Vertex EX OCZ Agility Ex 
Toshiba T6UG1XBG Drives based on this controller:- Kingston SSDNow V+ Second Generation 
Samsung S3C29RBB01-YK40 Drives based on this controller:- Corsair P Series OCZ Summit  Marvell Drives based on this controller:- Crucial RealSSD C300 Sources: http://www.anandtech.com/print/2829 http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?opti...d=444&Itemid=60 http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/storage/2...sd-controller/1 This post has been edited by jinaun: Oct 11 2010, 09:45 AM |
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SSD Terminologies
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ok this is nice, since i have one ssd myself..SSD rules! i post my benchmarks soon..
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can i know how is the performence of SSD vs hybrid Disk(momentus XT)?
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Aug 5 2010, 09:58 PM
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QUOTE(Mr.Lonely @ Aug 5 2010, 09:28 PM) can i know how is the performence of SSD vs hybrid Disk(momentus XT)? momentus i believe has 4GB SLC for caching reads onli.. so.. for read operations.. it would be theoretically as fast as ssd but writes are still HDD level performance |
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is the type of controller using will affect the read/write transfer rate of a SSD?
off topic: about the title of this thread, "Teh" SSD Thread? This post has been edited by saturn85: Aug 6 2010, 02:03 AM |
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from what i see, its actually the combination of controller/firmware/flash that determines the performance of the SSD drive
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Aug 10 2010, 09:48 AM
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i still thinking to get ssd for my lappy
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QUOTE(Mr.Lonely @ Aug 5 2010, 09:28 PM) can i know how is the performence of SSD vs hybrid Disk(momentus XT)? Read the reviews, everything is there and comparison is also available. The SSD is still faster and more superior, the Momentus XT can't even go on par but only near to the SSD in certain cases. Plus, Momentus XT cannot run on RAID-0. |
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i'm also wondering should i upgrade to SSD haha...
Is there really a diff if i only used my PC watch movie and some programmig ? |
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QUOTE(rsangel @ Aug 10 2010, 10:48 AM) i'm also wondering should i upgrade to SSD haha... Not much different, unless the movie is in raw 2K or 7K format.... Is there really a diff if i only used my PC watch movie and some programmig ?  |
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Aug 10 2010, 02:05 PM
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QUOTE(rsangel @ Aug 10 2010, 10:48 AM) i'm also wondering should i upgrade to SSD haha... not much. SSD is used to load programs/os faster than normal hard diskIs there really a diff if i only used my PC watch movie and some programmig ? |
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QUOTE(rsangel @ Aug 10 2010, 10:48 AM) i'm also wondering should i upgrade to SSD haha... Depends on the programming. Doing a keyword search across dozens or hundreds of files is a lot more quicker. And then there is everything else, like a lot faster boot up. Is there really a diff if i only used my PC watch movie and some programmig ? Works best with Win7. WinXP isn't optimised for SSDs. Would be first time SSD owners probably might want to wait a few more months for Intel to release their 3rd generation SSDs. As there might be up to 50% price reduction for the same capacity. |
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Aug 15 2010, 08:39 PM
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Intel SSD roadmap
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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Aug 10 2010, 10:08 AM) Read the reviews, everything is there and comparison is also available. The SSD is still faster and more superior, the Momentus XT can't even go on par but only near to the SSD in certain cases. Plus, Momentus XT cannot run on RAID-0. Agreed, the result still remains unsatisfying. I'd rather go for OCZ Onyx SSD instead of spending on hybrid drive. |
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Aug 16 2010, 10:13 PM
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nice info.
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Aug 17 2010, 12:59 PM
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Shit. Is my SSD dying?
 Benchmark for my Intel X-25M G2 80GB: 
So much worse compared to jinaun's! And what's with the 48195K - BAD?  |
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Aug 17 2010, 05:14 PM
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QUOTE(TrueFalse @ Aug 15 2010, 08:39 PM) Intel SSD roadmap yea, looking forward to intel gen 3 ssd.  |
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Aug 18 2010, 12:10 PM
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gen3 coming out??
anybody wanna buy my gen2 80gb?  |
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Aug 18 2010, 04:49 PM
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i'm considering installing it to my laptop...
so how much battery power it can save?? |
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Aug 18 2010, 05:47 PM
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QUOTE(Crazy.SoT.Gila @ Aug 17 2010, 12:59 PM) Shit. Is my SSD dying? use the intel ssd toolbox to check how many GB has already written .. Benchmark for my Intel X-25M G2 80GB:
So much worse compared to jinaun's! And what's with the 48195K - BAD? post ur toolbox smart screen |
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Aug 18 2010, 10:00 PM
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still waiting the price to fall into affordable+bigger capacity
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Aug 19 2010, 02:28 AM
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wonder when only the ocz colossus 1tb ssd will be affordable.
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Aug 19 2010, 10:44 AM
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QUOTE(jinaun @ Aug 18 2010, 05:47 PM) use the intel ssd toolbox to check how many GB has already written .. Did I overuse it? post ur toolbox smart screen  Full exported report in the zip file. LYN won't let me attach .csv. Attached thumbnail(s) 
Attached File(s) 
ssd.zip ( 3.77k )
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QUOTE(everling @ Aug 10 2010, 03:04 PM) Depends on the programming. Doing a keyword search across dozens or hundreds of files is a lot more quicker. And then there is everything else, like a lot faster boot up. o.O srsly? Thanks for the news, almost bugged my friend to get me one at staff price from Intel Works best with Win7. WinXP isn't optimised for SSDs. Would be first time SSD owners probably might want to wait a few more months for Intel to release their 3rd generation SSDs. As there might be up to 50% price reduction for the same capacity. |
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well.. here is the readout from mine
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Aug 20 2010, 09:18 AM
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QUOTE(jinaun @ Aug 20 2010, 09:03 AM) well.. here is the readout from mine Ah. I suppose I wrote too much. Guess TRIM doesn't do wonders
How about the 48195K - BAD? Any ideas what that is? |
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so far which controller have the best performance ?
i notice that review always mention about the controller when reviewing SSD .. is it very important ? |
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QUOTE(rasyid @ Aug 20 2010, 12:52 PM) so far which controller have the best performance ? Yes,controller is one of the biggest factor that affect SSD speed i notice that review always mention about the controller when reviewing SSD .. is it very important ?  Try to dig up anandtech.com storage article,they had write plenty of stuff on ssd |
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QUOTE(doob @ Aug 18 2010, 12:10 PM) gen3 coming out?? i take it if u sell me 200 4 one anybody wanna buy my gen2 80gb?  Added on August 20, 2010, 3:42 pm QUOTE(User_Xp @ Aug 18 2010, 10:00 PM) still waiting the price to fall into affordable+bigger capacity when gen 3 is our 160gb should b less than 600 i guess QUOTE(saturn85 @ Aug 19 2010, 02:28 AM) wonder when only the ocz colossus 1tb ssd will be affordable. when u got children dy i guess its not dropping fast from 20k range onwards  This post has been edited by skylinelover: Aug 20 2010, 03:43 PM |
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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Aug 20 2010, 03:40 PM) when gen 3 is our 160gb should b less than 600 i guess wow, hope it is true. then 80gb should be affordable. |
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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Aug 20 2010, 03:40 PM) when gen 3 is our 160gb should b less than 600 i guess Wow. If that's true I'm very likely to upgrade from my 80GB Hopefully they'll be able to anticipate the demand better this time. G2 had shortage for a period which led to vendors increasing price beyond reasonable. |
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QUOTE(Crazy.SoT.Gila @ Aug 20 2010, 09:18 AM) Ah. I suppose I wrote too much. Guess TRIM doesn't do wonders The 48195K -BAD is referring to your disk alignment, which is out. Use google to search for 'ssd K - BAD' for more info. How about the 48195K - BAD? Any ideas what that is? BTW, what Windows version are you using, and how did you partition your SSD in the first place? TRIM's sole purpose is to properly erase those sectors where your files were marked for deletion. Without TRIM, those files will still remain (eventhough you do not see it in Windows/space frees up after deletion) unless overwritten in the future. That's the cause of SSD performance degradation, if it does not have TRIM. It does not help in preserving the wear and tear of the SSD. The write cycles contributes to the SSD wear and tear. The more you write to it, the faster it's wear and tear. Normally, to prolong the SSD, we have an SSD to solely run Windows/applications on, and another normal HDD to store you files (movies/mp3s/doc etc.) The key here is to limit the number of writes to your SSD. This post has been edited by tskhang: Aug 21 2010, 12:36 PM |
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can we put SSD into water?
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QUOTE(tskhang @ Aug 21 2010, 12:32 PM) The 48195K -BAD is referring to your disk alignment, which is out. Use google to search for 'ssd K - BAD' for more info. Thanks! Read some of it, seems complicated. Will continue reading.BTW, what Windows version are you using, and how did you partition your SSD in the first place? TRIM's sole purpose is to properly erase those sectors where your files were marked for deletion. Without TRIM, those files will still remain (eventhough you do not see it in Windows/space frees up after deletion) unless overwritten in the future. That's the cause of SSD performance degradation, if it does not have TRIM. It does not help in preserving the wear and tear of the SSD. The write cycles contributes to the SSD wear and tear. The more you write to it, the faster it's wear and tear. Normally, to prolong the SSD, we have an SSD to solely run Windows/applications on, and another normal HDD to store you files (movies/mp3s/doc etc.) The key here is to limit the number of writes to your SSD. I'm using Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit. I'm pretty sure I just did a Windows 7 install to partition it. Ah. I didn't know there was such a substantial degradation from wear and tear. I always thought that it was just because of the files remaining, which TRIM fixes. Unfortunately I'm using a laptop, so it can be quite a hassle to be having an external HDD there always. Guess I'll definitely be getting a 160GB next time |
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QUOTE(alexilalas @ Aug 21 2010, 02:10 PM) can we put SSD into water? maybe will cause some metal on the circuit board rust faster. |
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QUOTE(Crazy.SoT.Gila @ Aug 21 2010, 02:33 PM) Thanks! Read some of it, seems complicated. Will continue reading. The lifespan of an SSD really isn't an issue for most home users. At 5,000 write cycles for an 80GB SSD, in a perfect use, it will accept 400,000 GB of writes or 219 GB of writes a day for 5 years. Even taking the write amplification factor, which TRIM partly mitigates, into consideration, you should still be able to write 100 GB a day (20 GB more than capacity) for five years before failure.I'm using Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit. I'm pretty sure I just did a Windows 7 install to partition it. Ah. I didn't know there was such a substantial degradation from wear and tear. I always thought that it was just because of the files remaining, which TRIM fixes. Unfortunately I'm using a laptop, so it can be quite a hassle to be having an external HDD there always. Guess I'll definitely be getting a 160GB next time To lose your SSD to wear and tear, you would have to fill up your SSD every single day for five years! Wear and tear is not a real problem. |
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QUOTE(everling @ Aug 21 2010, 06:35 PM) The lifespan of an SSD really isn't an issue for most home users. At 5,000 write cycles for an 80GB SSD, in a perfect use, it will accept 400,000 GB of writes or 219 GB of writes a day for 5 years. Even taking the write amplification factor, which TRIM partly mitigates, into consideration, you should still be able to write 100 GB a day (20 GB more than capacity) for five years before failure. NIce info. I google more and found this article. 1 relavant quote are: " Intel estimates that the 80GB X25-M will last for five years with "much greater than" 100GB of write-erase per day. That's a relatively long time for much more data than most folks are likely to write or erase on a daily basis.To lose your SSD to wear and tear, you would have to fill up your SSD every single day for five years! Wear and tear is not a real problem. Actual drive lifespans aside, Intel rates the X25-M's Mean Time Between Failures (MTBF) at 1.2 million hours. " Source: http://techreport.com/articles.x/15433 So definitely the intel X-25M SSD can last more than 5 years with no wear and tear problem This post has been edited by mikelanding: Aug 21 2010, 08:28 PM |
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Aug 22 2010, 12:19 AM
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does Mean Time Between Failures (MTBF) = lifespan?
1.2 million hours is around 137 years. does it really can last that long? |
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QUOTE(everling @ Aug 21 2010, 06:35 PM) The lifespan of an SSD really isn't an issue for most home users. At 5,000 write cycles for an 80GB SSD, in a perfect use, it will accept 400,000 GB of writes or 219 GB of writes a day for 5 years. Even taking the write amplification factor, which TRIM partly mitigates, into consideration, you should still be able to write 100 GB a day (20 GB more than capacity) for five years before failure. It is no question that SSD is realiable nowadays. Actually I think from a consumer point of view, we are more interested in the reliability of SSD as a whole. (whole thing, include the connectors, circuit board.) instead of the SSD chip itself. To lose your SSD to wear and tear, you would have to fill up your SSD every single day for five years! Wear and tear is not a real problem. if they are soo certain about all that. Why cant they just give 5 years warranty. Anyway, I am still sticking to HDD, unless SSD start selling price as low as RM100 like HDD. *regardless of capacity. I am fine with 20GB @ RM100. This post has been edited by billytong: Aug 22 2010, 12:31 PM |
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Video that I found on YouTube shows the comparison of Windows 7 start-up time with boot drive using the SSD and HDD..
I've been thinking about replacing the HDD boot drive on my PC with SSD.. But SSD's price is quite expensive, makes me have to think again.. Ouch.. |
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QUOTE(saturn85 @ Aug 22 2010, 02:19 AM) does Mean Time Between Failures (MTBF) = lifespan? Here's another way to look at it - if you have 1000 disks and run them for 1200 hours each, the manufacturer expects one to fail. 1.2 million hours is around 137 years. does it really can last that long? |
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QUOTE(wKkaY @ Aug 23 2010, 02:41 PM) Here's another way to look at it - if you have 1000 disks and run them for 1200 hours each, the manufacturer expects one to fail. woo, i see. another definition. looks like Mean Time Between Failures is a measurement of reliability rather than lifespan. |
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Aug 23 2010, 05:34 PM
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I just installed a SSD into my pc and reformatted it. Having a few problems with it now, headache..
-PC will sometimes restarts by itself.(Using normal HDD no problems at all) -When i restart my computer, sometimes it the PC wont detect my SSD Any sifu can advise here. Using a Corsair Force Series 60GB now. |
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QUOTE(StratOS @ Aug 23 2010, 05:34 PM) I just installed a SSD into my pc and reformatted it. Having a few problems with it now, headache.. its a known issue.. you have to completely power down the computer.. cold boot instead of warm reboot-PC will sometimes restarts by itself.(Using normal HDD no problems at all) -When i restart my computer, sometimes it the PC wont detect my SSD Any sifu can advise here. Using a Corsair Force Series 60GB now. check out corsair forums abt the F series drives randomly disappear upon reboot |
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QUOTE(jinaun @ Aug 23 2010, 05:55 PM) its a known issue.. you have to completely power down the computer.. cold boot instead of warm reboot is ocz vertex 2 also get this issue?..hunting for SSD now.. check out corsair forums abt the F series drives randomly disappear upon reboot |
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QUOTE(jinaun @ Aug 23 2010, 05:55 PM) its a known issue.. you have to completely power down the computer.. cold boot instead of warm reboot check out corsair forums abt the F series drives randomly disappear upon reboot okok.. Hope they got fix for this.. Really tried everything already still same.. Enable AHCI etc, etc all tried finish.. Thanks for your info.  |
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QUOTE(Casval_Hyakushiki @ Aug 23 2010, 02:10 PM) I've been thinking about replacing the HDD boot drive on my PC with SSD.. But SSD's price is quite expensive, makes me have to think again.. Ouch.. I'd buy the cheapest ringgt/GB SSD with a good controller. Kingston's SSDNow V Series 128 GB comes to mind. Intel's are also another good set of SSDs. The greater performance from SandForce's controllers isn't that great once you have any decent SSD and OCZ SSDs has a huge price premium. |
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Aug 24 2010, 02:07 PM
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Never tried OCZ SSD.. anyone here using it.. Feel like wanna change my SSD.. the F60 giving me a hard time now.
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Aug 24 2010, 05:15 PM
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QUOTE(everling @ Aug 24 2010, 01:51 AM) I'd buy the cheapest ringgt/GB SSD with a good controller. Kingston's SSDNow V Series 128 GB comes to mind. Intel's are also another good set of SSDs. The greater performance from SandForce's controllers isn't that great once you have any decent SSD and OCZ SSDs has a huge price premium. hey, how much is the ssd you mentioned? |
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Aug 24 2010, 05:35 PM
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You mean the Kingston SSD?
It's RM 899 at Cycom. Not as fast as Intel's or OCZ's, but will easily crush any HDD and it has a nice capacity for the price. I've been using mine for months already on WinXP for my laptop and am pretty pleased.  I suppose it might still be a rather attractive product at this point in time, despite Intel's Gen 3 SSDs drawing closer. With Kingston's 128 GB capacity and cost, it won't be as big a regret when compared to buying an expensive 120GB OCZ Agility SSD (RM 1399). Update: The Kingston is available at RM 860 at PC Zone. This post has been edited by everling: Aug 24 2010, 06:04 PM |
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SSD Decoder Ring - an SSD comparison guide (Rev 3.0) to find out the model number to check which controllers the SSD is using. Intels are safe, Indilinx are safe, Sandforce has awesome benchmarks, avoid anything with the old JMicron 602s. Some older Kingston SSDs are using the terrible 602s.
Some of today's prices from the Hardware Zone prices lists: CODE Price Price/GB Cycom Intel X25-M G2 80 GB RM 815 RM 10.188/GB Intel X25-M G2 160 GB RM 1780 RM 11.125/GB Kingston SSDNow V Series G2 64 GB RM 569 RM 8.890/GB Kingston SSDNow V Series G2 128 GB RM 899 RM 7.023/GB C-Zone Intel X25-V SSD 40 GB RM 409 RM 10.225/GB Intel X25-M SSD 80 GB RM 799 RM 9.988/GB Intel X25-M SSD 160 GB RM 1699 RM 10.619/GB CORSAIR F60 SSD 60GB RM 699 RM 11.650/GB CORSAIR F120 SSD 120GB RM 1199 RM 9.991/GB CORSAIR F240 SSD 240GB RM 2499 RM 10.413/GB PC Zone Intel X25-V SSD 40 GB RM 405 RM 10.125/GB Intel X25-M SSD 80 GB RM 800 RM 10.000/GB Intel X25-M SSD 160 GB RM 1750 RM 10.938/GB Kingston SSDNow V Series G2 64 GB RM 505 RM 7.891/GB Kingston SSDNow V Series G2 128 GB RM 860 RM 6.719/GB Kingston SSDNow V+ Series 64 GB RM 620 RM 9.688/GB Kingston SSDNow V+ Series 128 GB RM 1010 RM 7.891/GB Thundermatch Intel X25-M G2 80 GB RM 815 RM 10.188/GB OCZ Agility 60 GB RM 799 RM 13.316/GB OCZ Vertex 60 GB RM 850 RM 14.166/GB OCZ Agility 120 GB RM 1399 RM 11.658/GB OCZ Vertex 120 GB RM 1499 RM 12.491/GB * SSDNow V Series G2 uses JMicron 618 I did not make a comparison of every single SSD product. - Kingston 128GB SSDNow V Series SNV425-S2 Gen 2 SSD Review - Kingston SSDNow V Series G2 128 GB PC Perspective review. For comparison, this post was updated from: This post has been edited by everling: Aug 24 2010, 06:16 PM |
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Aug 25 2010, 12:47 AM
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wow, thanks for all the information.
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Aug 25 2010, 02:49 AM
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Nice SSD performance, but price quite expensive., really hope the price will drop some more so that can get 2 for RAID0.
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Aug 25 2010, 01:45 PM
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If its for games, there's less value in getting an SSD RAID setup. A single SSD alone will feel like better than RAIDed HDDs and games have a tendency to be CPU or GPU bottlenecked.
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haha, just to minimize the loading time.
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Aug 26 2010, 04:56 PM
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QUOTE(everling @ Aug 25 2010, 01:45 PM) If its for games, there's less value in getting an SSD RAID setup. A single SSD alone will feel like better than RAIDed HDDs and games have a tendency to be CPU or GPU bottlenecked. QUOTE(saturn85 @ Aug 25 2010, 01:58 PM) haha, just to minimize the loading time. yep. ever played sc2 with the stupid loading bar destroying your mood ? anyway your statement aint very clear for the first sentence compared to your 2nd. i guess it's less value getting HDD raid setup. ssd raid will shave 1.2 roughly seconds in boot as seen on the video. but it's true you dont need to raid it, unless strike lottery. wait for 1 more year and it will be USD 0.50 per gigabyte. |
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Aug 26 2010, 05:20 PM
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Well 0.5 USD per Gigabtye or not. It is unlikely I will buy SSD unless their minimum price is priced close to HDD price now. ~RM100-200
Which gonna take a while. |
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Aug 26 2010, 05:31 PM
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I know that Sims 2 and 3 are HDD intensive games. will SSd improve the items and sound loading and game loading and..... Anyone who has SSD tried before?
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Aug 26 2010, 09:17 PM
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QUOTE(billytong @ Aug 26 2010, 05:20 PM) Well 0.5 USD per Gigabtye or not. It is unlikely I will buy SSD unless their minimum price is priced close to HDD price now. ~RM100-200 If I have done my calculations right, starting next year, it will take about 3 years for the prices to hit about USD 0.50/GB. Assuming Moore's curves, of doubling the transistor count every 18 months, holds out for that long.Which gonna take a while. It may also take less than 6 years for the prices to hit about RM 0.50/GB. |
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Aug 26 2010, 10:41 PM
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so SSD is still an immature technology.
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Aug 26 2010, 11:54 PM
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QUOTE(everling @ Aug 26 2010, 09:17 PM) If I have done my calculations right, starting next year, it will take about 3 years for the prices to hit about USD 0.50/GB. Assuming Moore's curves, of doubling the transistor count every 18 months, holds out for that long. Not sure where i've sourced it but prices are gonna fall to USD 1/gb by end of this year.It may also take less than 6 years for the prices to hit about RM 0.50/GB. This is more than moores law. It's kinda like an explosion. Lightspeed may hit the market way slower, because when enterprise ssd becomes consumer grade = 500mb+ read/write. okay off topic. Anyway to the person who says let it hit RM 100-200. I'd say when it hit 1gb/dollar, it is a good time to buy. Think of it as PC on steroid. You've upgraded every single component on your pc, and want it faster. You're willing to spend thousands on cpu. Another thousand on Mobo+Ram combo. Hey, why not add another thousand and put those games and photoshop on steroid ? Added on August 27, 2010, 12:01 am QUOTE(samftrmd @ Aug 26 2010, 05:31 PM) I know that Sims 2 and 3 are HDD intensive games. will SSd improve the items and sound loading and game loading and..... Anyone who has SSD tried before? No ssd yet. But i've had a solution.Open your case and put your ears at the HDD. If you hear HDD groaning while your' loading a level or in the middle of something, it is seeking data. If you hear it way lot more, than it's constantly seeking, which would mean, ssd win due to low seeking time. Most rts games dont seek because when it's loaded the whole thing is thrown it. RPG seeks. because throwing the whole thing in is insane, imposible. In such situation ssd helps by low seeking time + 275mb read access. This post has been edited by dtdw: Aug 27 2010, 12:01 AM |
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Aug 27 2010, 10:41 AM
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QUOTE(dtdw @ Aug 26 2010, 11:54 PM) Not sure where i've sourced it but prices are gonna fall to USD 1/gb by end of this year. the reality is, I dont spend > RM300 on CPU anymore. Even graphic chip is also <RM500. Especially there isnt much different in term of performance if u are not a gamer.This is more than moores law. It's kinda like an explosion. Lightspeed may hit the market way slower, because when enterprise ssd becomes consumer grade = 500mb+ read/write. okay off topic. Anyway to the person who says let it hit RM 100-200. I'd say when it hit 1gb/dollar, it is a good time to buy. Think of it as PC on steroid. You've upgraded every single component on your pc, and want it faster. You're willing to spend thousands on cpu. Another thousand on Mobo+Ram combo. Hey, why not add another thousand and put those games and photoshop on steroid ? A more progressive upgrade like every 6 months seems to be a better choice. |
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Aug 27 2010, 08:35 PM
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QUOTE(dtdw @ Aug 26 2010, 11:54 PM) Not sure where i've sourced it but prices are gonna fall to USD 1/gb by end of this year. Based on our local prices for Intel's Gen 2, it's currently 3.23 USD/GB. For Intel's Gen 3 to fall to USD 1/GB by the end of this year, it needs to have a 70% price cut. That's big. Bigger than the 60% price cut over the Gen 1 when Gen 2 was introduced. This is more than moores law. It's kinda like an explosion. Lightspeed may hit the market way slower, because when enterprise ssd becomes consumer grade = 500mb+ read/write.  Not sure where you're going with "Lightspeed". Did you mean "Light Peak"? QUOTE(dtdw @ Aug 26 2010, 11:54 PM) Anyway to the person who says let it hit RM 100-200. I'd say when it hit 1gb/dollar, it is a good time to buy. Think of it as PC on steroid. My CPU, MB and GPU cost me a total of RM 1K. Then I went on to spend RM 900 on an SSD, and I don't regret it. You've upgraded every single component on your pc, and want it faster. You're willing to spend thousands on cpu. Another thousand on Mobo+Ram combo. Hey, why not add another thousand and put those games and photoshop on steroid ? QUOTE(dtdw @ Aug 26 2010, 11:54 PM) No ssd yet. But i've had a solution. There is a better solution. Download Process Explorer. It is the Windows Task Manager on steroids. It can detail to you, down to the byte, just how much was read and written. Open your case and put your ears at the HDD. If you hear HDD groaning while your' loading a level or in the middle of something, it is seeking data. If you hear it way lot more, than it's constantly seeking, which would mean, ssd win due to low seeking time. Most rts games dont seek because when it's loaded the whole thing is thrown it. RPG seeks. because throwing the whole thing in is insane, imposible. In such situation ssd helps by low seeking time + 275mb read access. Maybe I had read it wrong, but I remember that "Medieval 2: Total War" only read 40~MB from the hard disk when starting the game and loading a save. |
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Aug 28 2010, 11:01 PM
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» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « well we wont know how fast prices can fall. but if based on intel's roadmap, they always do a refresh at the same price. ok mayb not always, but assuming 160 refresh to 300 at the same price as now. which the cheapest i found in forum would be 1.3k ? and they're introducing 600gb. give them a year more and that 300 will be 600 @ 1.3k again .. yep it's fast. i for one, dont know what the heck is 10k rpm lying around anymore. let the alone the hybrid. *yea i think it's lightspeak but whatever lol ... i had no interest in that far of a future .. |
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Aug 28 2010, 11:05 PM
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SSD sounds tempting, but high price tag makes ppl shy away
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Aug 28 2010, 11:59 PM
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QUOTE(teknokrasi @ Aug 28 2010, 11:05 PM) SSD sounds tempting, but high price tag makes ppl shy away yea, just can say the time haven't come yet. |
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Aug 29 2010, 02:34 AM
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QUOTE(saturn85 @ Aug 29 2010, 12:59 AM) yea, just can say the time haven't come yet. Btw,.. with ssd, we can say good bye to bad sector like magnetic hdd.. This post has been edited by teknokrasi: Aug 31 2010, 05:11 PM |
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Aug 29 2010, 03:01 AM
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QUOTE(teknokrasi @ Aug 29 2010, 02:34 AM) Btw,.. with ssd, we can say good bye to sector like magnetic hdd.. yea, ssd really is a good invention.more reliable, and data are more secure. |
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Aug 29 2010, 08:48 AM
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anyone using Intel X25-V 40GB? i plan to buy it as Win7 boot drive, price is RM360 now.
btw, the 1st SATA3 6Gb/s SSD, Crucial C300 64GB @ RM600. |
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Aug 29 2010, 04:11 PM
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i think can wait and see how is the intel gen 3 ssd perform and price first.
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Aug 30 2010, 02:33 AM
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Still can't decide if it is worth it to get SSD now :S
I hope the intel gen 3 really affects the price of the older ones nicely. |
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Aug 30 2010, 04:45 PM
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QUOTE(moshpit21 @ Aug 30 2010, 02:33 AM) Still can't decide if it is worth it to get SSD now :S it is only worth when their minimum price is as low as HDD price, which is about RM100.I hope the intel gen 3 really affects the price of the older ones nicely. |
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Aug 31 2010, 10:40 AM
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QUOTE(moshpit21 @ Aug 30 2010, 02:33 AM) Still can't decide if it is worth it to get SSD now :S SSD is not worth for the current price, however it is rather worth on the user's experience. SSD is the single upgrade where users will feel a tremendous difference to the PC than upgrading other components like RAM, etc.I hope the intel gen 3 really affects the price of the older ones nicely. SSD is considered luxury item. If you have extra funds and can afford an SSD, you should go for it. |
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Sep 1 2010, 09:53 AM
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one must rmb that it took years for hdd to fall to this low, partly due to size increase and parts are widely available making reduced manufacturing cost.
ssd has effect on hdd price somewhere or another, since many consider ssd main with 2tb backup. but you forgot how exp those 20/40/80gb were, and you're dying to get a pay check so that you can buy it, coz you dont have enuf space, or it always die on you once a year. (i'm a victim of dead hdd) lol .. and then not forgetting the noobish days when you complain the pc is slow, and someone smarter just say " upgrade your ram, buy another stick and shove it in " .. hahah .. and ram aint cheap before .. so now you have the best option, get ssd, at the exp price you spent on pata hdd, and ram .. and no more complains |
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Sep 1 2010, 11:13 AM
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OWC Mercury Extreme Pro 120GB Solid
 had any one see this in LYP or lyn? seems like good perfomance and not branded yet |
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Sep 1 2010, 02:58 PM
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It will last very long cos no moving part. You should see You tube how they trow, fly kite with it, take the ssd for a ride on a car travelling 300mph and trow it out from the car, Burn it in hot sun and it still a live.
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Sep 2 2010, 12:17 AM
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QUOTE(MidTower @ Sep 1 2010, 11:13 AM) OWC Mercury Extreme Pro 120GB Solid nope so far, i dun see G-skill nor OWC SSD in LYP yet.had any one see this in LYP or lyn? seems like good perfomance and not branded yet |
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Sep 13 2010, 08:27 AM
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Screen shot of benchy on recently acquired Sata 3 128GB ssd:
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Sep 13 2010, 10:40 AM
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What SSD was that? And the read speed exceeds SATA 3.0 Gbps.
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Sep 13 2010, 11:20 AM
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QUOTE(everling @ Sep 13 2010, 10:40 AM) What SSD was that? And the read speed exceeds SATA 3.0 Gbps. Bro, Crucial SATA III 128GB SSD.http://www.crucial.com/store/partspecs.asp...FDDAC128MAG-1G1 |
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Sep 13 2010, 11:34 AM
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QUOTE(everling @ Sep 13 2010, 10:40 AM) What SSD was that? And the read speed exceeds SATA 3.0 Gbps. SATA3 has 6Gbps theoritical bandwidth, should see around 580~600MBps peak in practical use, that benchmark probably hitting 60%+ of the total bandwidth, so it's ok.RAID0 few of it and hit the max. |
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Sep 13 2010, 11:43 AM
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Oh, thaaaat "SATA 3". Okay, confusion cleared up.
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Sep 14 2010, 03:34 PM
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Thinking to get 64GB kingston ssd V series, is it using jmicron controller? Or it's using toshiba one?
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Sep 14 2010, 04:02 PM
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The SSDNow used two JMicron controllers. The 608 are crap and the 618 are fine.
JMicron 618 controllers (okay): SNV425-S2/64GB SNV425-S2/128GB JMicron 608 controllers (boycott) which should be phased out by now: SNV125-S2/64GB SNV125-S2B(N/D)/64GB SNV125-S2/128GB SNV125-S2B(N/D)/128GB |
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Hi All,
Can someone recommend me the FASTEST READ of SSD in the market ? I need, - Single Drive (not planning to do RAID) - Capacity can be small, just install Windows 7 with no games. - Price not an issue. - Using SATA 6.0Gbps port (fit to the latest mobo with SATA3 port) - Write Speed not too critical, but preferred. Any thing in market / online can buy these ? thanks |
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Sep 15 2010, 12:39 AM
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The so-called "SATA 3" is SATA 6.0 Gbps.
Do you have any specific reason to need the fastest read SSD? Because any decent SSD should be good enough. |
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Sep 15 2010, 12:40 AM
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QUOTE(malayneum @ Aug 26 2010, 10:41 PM) so SSD is still an immature technology. How come say that ? I thought & someone here also saying that the SSD is still more reliable than the BEST HDD now.Agree ? QUOTE(zhuan97 @ Aug 29 2010, 08:48 AM) anyone using Intel X25-V 40GB? i plan to buy it as Win7 boot drive, price is RM360 now. Where can buy now the Crucial C300 64GB ? LYP ?btw, the 1st SATA3 6Gb/s SSD, Crucial C300 64GB @ RM600. RM600 come with Data Transfer Kit ? Got the model with the Data Transfer Kit one ? How much ? |
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Sep 15 2010, 12:48 AM
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QUOTE(everling @ Sep 15 2010, 12:39 AM) The so-called "SATA 3" is SATA 6.0 Gbps. Oh, I just using for Windows & Software only, mostly need READING speed.Do you have any specific reason to need the fastest read SSD? Because any decent SSD should be good enough. If I want find a FASTEST READ & WRITE, then it will be headache for me, hard to choose & not much model came with both good read & write speed. That's why I better look for the BEST READING speed is enough, save my headache. I'm still doubt about the realibility of a SDD over HDD. Anyway, the drive will sit in my casing, & won't move, so, no worry about dropping & spoil for HDD. I give myself to use a single HDD/SDD maximum to 4 years, then I will replace it to newer drive. For OS & Data drive too. Someone here say SSD is more reliable & some say opposite. So, is there any reliable facts to read about ? thanks. |
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Sep 15 2010, 10:10 AM
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if you know how to protect your HDD they run for many many years. I have still have two 10years+ old Quantum HDDs still running without bad sectors. One is a 4GB Quantum Bigfoot. it is a 5.25 inch HDD. U cant find these kind of form factor HDD these days. No bad sectors. This HDD is 12years old heading toward 13 years old.
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Sep 15 2010, 10:41 AM
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QUOTE(zsnipes @ Sep 15 2010, 12:48 AM) Oh, I just using for Windows & Software only, mostly need READING speed. like previous post, it depends. ssd is more prone to write limitation. but it can be considered a myth. If I want find a FASTEST READ & WRITE, then it will be headache for me, hard to choose & not much model came with both good read & write speed. That's why I better look for the BEST READING speed is enough, save my headache. I'm still doubt about the realibility of a SDD over HDD. Anyway, the drive will sit in my casing, & won't move, so, no worry about dropping & spoil for HDD. I give myself to use a single HDD/SDD maximum to 4 years, then I will replace it to newer drive. For OS & Data drive too. Someone here say SSD is more reliable & some say opposite. So, is there any reliable facts to read about ? thanks. head over to http://www.storagesearch.com/ssdmyths-endurance.html regarding your faster read > write. Your decision should be based on controllers. There are lots of controllers floating around. intel / indilinx / sandfore / i dont even care. lol . mayb iops matters but i dont have the time to dig for such info. read and write currently are more or less few MB difference. What you should look at other than controller is maximum achieved by sata 2 or sata 3. the later obviously owns. |
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Sep 15 2010, 10:50 AM
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which is the cheaper ssd?
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Sep 15 2010, 11:13 AM
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QUOTE(zsnipes @ Sep 15 2010, 12:48 AM) I'm still doubt about the realibility of a SDD over HDD. I can't answer your question about which SSD to pick. But regarding reliability, other than the words of the manufacturers, I don't think SSDs have been around long enough for us to objectively say yea or nay regarding reliability. Personally, I think they're reliable.Anyway, the drive will sit in my casing, & won't move, so, no worry about dropping & spoil for HDD. I give myself to use a single HDD/SDD maximum to 4 years, then I will replace it to newer drive. For OS & Data drive too. Someone here say SSD is more reliable & some say opposite. So, is there any reliable facts to read about ? QUOTE(billytong @ Sep 15 2010, 10:10 AM) if you know how to protect your HDD they run for many many years. I have still have two 10years+ old Quantum HDDs still running without bad sectors. One is a 4GB Quantum Bigfoot. it is a 5.25 inch HDD. U cant find these kind of form factor HDD these days. No bad sectors. This HDD is 12years old heading toward 13 years old. Considering the data density of the old drives, as long as the materials are good, I'm not surprised that they would outlive more modern hardware. As modern hardware tends to push the limits to the maximum.QUOTE(selikatwo @ Sep 15 2010, 10:50 AM) which is the cheaper ssd? If going by price per GB, definitely the Kingston SSDNow V Series G2 128 GB. You can refer to my earlier price analysis. Just be sure to double check and maybe check the Garage Sales, as I might have missed good bargains or it simply outdated. |
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Sep 15 2010, 03:29 PM
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Hi Bro, can i ask why i can't trim my ssd using the intel toolbox? I am currently using Intel 160GB SSD and upgraded the version. Hope to get your reply soon.
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Sep 15 2010, 07:38 PM
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QUOTE(Sole @ Sep 15 2010, 03:29 PM) Hi Bro, can i ask why i can't trim my ssd using the intel toolbox? I am currently using Intel 160GB SSD and upgraded the version. Hope to get your reply soon. are you using the first gen intel ssd?iirc, 1st gen does not support trim |
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Sep 15 2010, 11:29 PM
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I brought it in may something is it counted as 1st batch?
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Sep 15 2010, 11:53 PM
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Check your drive serial.
If it ends in G1, it's 1st Gen and you're screwed. Join a group of disgruntled owners online and sign a petition and hope that Intel gives a hoot about your drive. If it ends in G2, try using a benchmark tool to see whether TRIM is enabled. (someone else can chip in) |
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Sep 15 2010, 11:55 PM
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QUOTE(dtdw @ Sep 15 2010, 10:41 AM) like previous post, it depends. ssd is more prone to write limitation. but it can be considered a myth. agree. Controller also another things to search.... head over to http://www.storagesearch.com/ssdmyths-endurance.html regarding your faster read > write. Your decision should be based on controllers. There are lots of controllers floating around. intel / indilinx / sandfore / i dont even care. lol . mayb iops matters but i dont have the time to dig for such info. read and write currently are more or less few MB difference. What you should look at other than controller is maximum achieved by sata 2 or sata 3. the later obviously owns. anyway, i rather save my time then...QUOTE(everling @ Sep 15 2010, 11:13 AM) I can't answer your question about which SSD to pick. But regarding reliability, other than the words of the manufacturers, I don't think SSDs have been around long enough for us to objectively say yea or nay regarding reliability. Personally, I think they're reliable. in my view, i think reliability of SSD is very depending on our power supply which juice the power of SSD,Considering the data density of the old drives, as long as the materials are good, I'm not surprised that they would outlive more modern hardware. As modern hardware tends to push the limits to the maximum. If going by price per GB, definitely the Kingston SSDNow V Series G2 128 GB. You can refer to my earlier price analysis. Just be sure to double check and maybe check the Garage Sales, as I might have missed good bargains or it simply outdated. if the Power is dirty or clog, i think it will spoil the SSD easily. This I based on my experience on our normal Flash Drive usage. what do u think ? |
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Sep 16 2010, 10:44 AM
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ok i will check whether mine is 1st batch or not and thx for the info.
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Sep 16 2010, 11:59 AM
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You can install Intel SSD Toolbox, it'll tell whether it's G1 or G2 and do the TRIM for you with a click of a button
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Sep 16 2010, 12:06 PM
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SSD thread is so cold.... btw after long use of this SSD it really slows down noticeably compared to fresh out of box. |
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Sep 17 2010, 02:15 AM
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Depends on what controller your SSD uses and what is your operating system. Both components need to support TRIM in order to minimise performance degradation.
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Sep 17 2010, 02:17 AM
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which brand ssd is the best choice ?
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Sep 17 2010, 03:22 AM
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i'm using the intel G2 80gb. so far so good
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Sep 17 2010, 08:55 AM
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QUOTE(overclockalbert @ Sep 17 2010, 03:22 AM) i'm using the intel G2 80gb. so far so good me too... |
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Sep 17 2010, 11:56 AM
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How fast is your booting time with SSD... I do find it quite irritating to wait for windows to finish boot up, especially if your taskbar has quite a lot of program.
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Sep 17 2010, 01:19 PM
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u using ssd ?
after boot into windows it takes 5 secs ready-to-use for me. |
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Sep 17 2010, 02:41 PM
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komag i tot i was hacked ..dam u lol ..
anyway while trying to understand more bout ssd, i stumbled upon pcie interface. ocz has made a revo but it is silent in the market coz ppl r stil skeptic about ssd. but as nand begin to shrink nm and prices fall, and people are hitting sata3 limit, perhaps pcie will kick in. but it will take another 10 more years. too slow. the thing about revox2 is that it has already surpased sata3. but x2 price remain unknown whether it will replace x1 with the same price. currently its about .. 400usd for 120gb, not too expensive. im gonna check if suppliers around LY brings in such model. but its 99.99% unlikely and has to be ordered. This post has been edited by dtdw: Sep 17 2010, 02:44 PM |
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Sep 17 2010, 11:28 PM
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I planning buy 60GB Corsair SSD (SandForce),
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QUOTE(zsnipes @ Sep 17 2010, 11:28 PM) I planning buy 60GB Corsair SSD (SandForce), corsair F series currently may have issues with certain pc conf...is this good enough in term of speed ? pls check in corsiar forums first prior purchasing.. |
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QUOTE(jinaun @ Sep 17 2010, 11:56 PM) corsair F series currently may have issues with certain pc conf... I'm checking right now, there are many things talking in the forum.pls check in corsiar forums first prior purchasing.. Can you highlight some matters for me to look out for ? |
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QUOTE(jinaun @ Sep 17 2010, 11:56 PM) corsair F series currently may have issues with certain pc conf... How aboutpls check in corsiar forums first prior purchasing.. OCZ VERTEX 2 SATA II 2.5" SSD ? My 2nd choice, is this okay ? |
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Already aim to buy ssd since last year but the price still like a luxury item to me. Want to make it as my main storage, installing windows and all program. Based on my current usage, I need at least 80gb to install anything I want and have a peace in my mind for another couple of year. So now, still waiting 80gb to reach rm300.
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Sep 18 2010, 03:02 PM
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I think there is a good possibility that you will have to wait another year before the price drops to your target range. The Intel G3 80GB is expected to to be about RM 400 by the end of this year.
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Sep 18 2010, 07:55 PM
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QUOTE(everling @ Sep 18 2010, 03:02 PM) I think there is a good possibility that you will have to wait another year before the price drops to your target range. The Intel G3 80GB is expected to to be about RM 400 by the end of this year. RM400? Seriously, I really have no idea why people always cannot be more realistic over the price. If we want to use the latest technology, prepare to pay a bit more. If budget does not permit, either we wait for this "new" technology to become old or go for conventional platter drives. Anyway, all the best in thinking that new SSD's would be as cheap as RM400 because by then, the Kingston would be RM200 a piece and I'd rather get 4 of those to RAID-0 than a piece of G3 80GB. |
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Sep 18 2010, 08:19 PM
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i remember low capacity sandforce drives is really slow? they might have fixed it but when it first came out its bout 1/2 of the 120g models...
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Sep 18 2010, 08:47 PM
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QUOTE(kevink82 @ Sep 18 2010, 08:19 PM) i remember low capacity sandforce drives is really slow? they might have fixed it but when it first came out its bout 1/2 of the 120g models... So, the Sandforce in Corsair F60 is slow ?How about OCZ Vortex 2 ? Who's the distributor & Seller (in Low Yat Plaza) for OCZ Vortex 2 ? also, Low Yat Plaza I cannot find Crucial SSD ? Got sell in here or not This post has been edited by zsnipes: Sep 18 2010, 08:48 PM |
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Sep 18 2010, 10:27 PM
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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Sep 18 2010, 07:55 PM) RM400? Yeah. It's the reason I'm satisfied with my cheap 128 GB Kingston. I have an SSD and plenty of space to work with. As for Kingston getting a similar price drop, I am not expecting it to be any time close to Intel's release. There aren't many 25nm NAND manufacturers. Seriously, I really have no idea why people always cannot be more realistic over the price. If we want to use the latest technology, prepare to pay a bit more. If budget does not permit, either we wait for this "new" technology to become old or go for conventional platter drives. Anyway, all the best in thinking that new SSD's would be as cheap as RM400 because by then, the Kingston would be RM200 a piece and I'd rather get 4 of those to RAID-0 than a piece of G3 80GB.QUOTE So, the Sandforce in Corsair F60 is slow ? Possibly. You know how RAID-0 is fast? SSDs is like that internally. The more NAND chips you have, the more it can store and read the data in parallel. |
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Sep 19 2010, 12:11 AM
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May I ask, currently using Intel G2 80GB. I know year end will have new G3 to replace G2. My question is, will G2 can pair G3 in Raid? since their performance may vary.
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Sep 19 2010, 12:16 AM
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QUOTE(Onion-KiD @ Sep 19 2010, 12:11 AM) May I ask, currently using Intel G2 80GB. I know year end will have new G3 to replace G2. My question is, will G2 can pair G3 in Raid? since their performance may vary. i think its the same principle is pairing 2 different HDDthe faster drive will have to compensate for the slower drive |
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Sep 19 2010, 12:17 AM
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QUOTE(Onion-KiD @ Sep 19 2010, 12:11 AM) May I ask, currently using Intel G2 80GB. I know year end will have new G3 to replace G2. My question is, will G2 can pair G3 in Raid? since their performance may vary. People have to start understand that SSD uses NAND and thus it might show a big difference in benchmarks (just like RAM), real world performance is not that noticeable. Do you notice a big difference running DDR3-1333 and DDR3-2000? The answer is "NO", you get good benchmark scores but you don't literally feel it. This is because most of the time, Windows apps and games tends to read multiple small files. If you're talking about reading huge files then yes, the difference is more substantial. RAID-0 would make things a bit faster but not much. Again, it looks good in benchmarks but in real world computing, the difference is minimal. I would say 1-2 secs faster in certain tasks.What makes the SSD fast is the random access time and if you notice, all SSD's have 0.x ms so they are all more or less the same. Another problem is we have tons of people that does not own an SSD but after reading around the Internet, they start advicing and giving the wrong information. I am one of the early users of SSD and I can tell you that 1 x SSD would be ideal. RAID-0 SSD is only if you have extra cash and don't know what to spend on |
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Sep 19 2010, 12:22 AM
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QUOTE(everling @ Sep 18 2010, 03:02 PM) I think there is a good possibility that you will have to wait another year before the price drops to your target range. The Intel G3 80GB is expected to to be about RM 400 by the end of this year. I know RM300 will be hard to reach for another year if based on current trend. But my hand already itchy enough to buy one, already wait too long. Probably will get one in another 4-6 months, and get what RM400 can buy. |
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Sep 19 2010, 09:27 AM
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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Sep 19 2010, 12:17 AM) People have to start understand that SSD uses NAND and thus it might show a big difference in benchmarks (just like RAM), real world performance is not that noticeable. Do you notice a big difference running DDR3-1333 and DDR3-2000? The answer is "NO", you get good benchmark scores but you don't literally feel it. This is because most of the time, Windows apps and games tends to read multiple small files. If you're talking about reading huge files then yes, the difference is more substantial. RAID-0 would make things a bit faster but not much. Again, it looks good in benchmarks but in real world computing, the difference is minimal. I would say 1-2 secs faster in certain tasks. I am one of the many who don't own one yet and start giving advises. lol. but my advice is more realistic and based on lots of sources including YouTube. truth be told some ppl raid it but it kinda slowed it compared to single. for example ncix 8 ssd crysis. so based on that we can advice ppl to be aware of raiding it.What makes the SSD fast is the random access time and if you notice, all SSD's have 0.x ms so they are all more or less the same. Another problem is we have tons of people that does not own an SSD but after reading around the Internet, they start advicing and giving the wrong information. I am one of the early users of SSD and I can tell you that 1 x SSD would be ideal. RAID-0 SSD is only if you have extra cash and don't know what to spend on |
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Sep 20 2010, 06:39 PM
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Any idea when exactly is Intel SSD G3 is coming out? Would like to get SSD now but I don't want after I get G2, G3 came out few weeks later.
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Sep 20 2010, 08:16 PM
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QUOTE(dtdw @ Sep 19 2010, 09:27 AM) I am one of the many who don't own one yet and start giving advises. lol. but my advice is more realistic and based on lots of sources including YouTube. truth be told some ppl raid it but it kinda slowed it compared to single. for example ncix 8 ssd crysis. so based on that we can advice ppl to be aware of raiding it. I think it's fine as long as we share the correct information It's common over here that some people advice without knowing what they are talking about sometimes. When we RAID, we lose the TRIM feature so eventually things might go slow (which I also notice in my case). One of these days I have to do something about it, waste of time ain't it? |
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Sep 20 2010, 10:42 PM
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Ic... thank clawhammer for explain. because in future 80GB might no enough for store software, was thinking how about raid it to get it to 160GB or just buy another piece (bigger space ofcos).
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Sep 21 2010, 10:40 AM
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QUOTE(Onion-KiD @ Sep 20 2010, 10:42 PM) Ic... thank clawhammer for explain. because in future 80GB might no enough for store software, was thinking how about raid it to get it to 160GB or just buy another piece (bigger space ofcos). it really depends on what you want. do you want space OR speed ? as far as raiding goes, its on a different level. Its like trying to OC your processor to 4ghz and testing stability for weeks and months.in short, its like what claw said, waste alot of time. =P i realise many people here kinda derive from a crossfire/sli background, and thinks raid is the same. even if it is the same, not all sli works like a charm, and at times i'd rather buy a single more powderful card. one simple advice. get a sandforce controlled 120gb as main, and keep intelG2 as secondary, and ofcourse 1tb whatsoever as overall backup. |
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Sep 21 2010, 10:51 AM
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QUOTE(5564321 @ Sep 20 2010, 06:39 PM) Any idea when exactly is Intel SSD G3 is coming out? Would like to get SSD now but I don't want after I get G2, G3 came out few weeks later. herehttp://www.storagereview.com/intel039s_ssd..._confirmed_2010 b4 2011 |
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Sep 21 2010, 07:27 PM
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QUOTE(dtdw @ Sep 21 2010, 10:40 AM) it really depends on what you want. do you want space OR speed ? as far as raiding goes, its on a different level. Its like trying to OC your processor to 4ghz and testing stability for weeks and months. Two SSDs? in short, its like what claw said, waste alot of time. =P i realise many people here kinda derive from a crossfire/sli background, and thinks raid is the same. even if it is the same, not all sli works like a charm, and at times i'd rather buy a single more powderful card. one simple advice. get a sandforce controlled 120gb as main, and keep intelG2 as secondary, and ofcourse 1tb whatsoever as overall backup. You are clearly too rich already and have too many huge applications and games that you need to run at the same time.  |
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Sep 21 2010, 08:40 PM
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err.. can you all explain me more basic and simple way what is the difference between SSD and HDD ? tq~
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Sep 21 2010, 08:47 PM
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QUOTE(-PenG- @ Sep 21 2010, 08:40 PM) err.. can you all explain me more basic and simple way what is the difference between SSD and HDD ? tq~ video speaks a million words haha |
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Sep 21 2010, 11:05 PM
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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Sep 19 2010, 12:17 AM) People have to start understand that SSD uses NAND and thus it might show a big difference in benchmarks (just like RAM), real world performance is not that noticeable. Do you notice a big difference running DDR3-1333 and DDR3-2000? The answer is "NO", you get good benchmark scores but you don't literally feel it. This is because most of the time, Windows apps and games tends to read multiple small files. If you're talking about reading huge files then yes, the difference is more substantial. RAID-0 would make things a bit faster but not much. Again, it looks good in benchmarks but in real world computing, the difference is minimal. I would say 1-2 secs faster in certain tasks. Exactly, buy what you need, plenty of time my HDD is in idle mode, I still cant see a reason to pay the SSD premium when my HDD is 90% idle. What makes the SSD fast is the random access time and if you notice, all SSD's have 0.x ms so they are all more or less the same. Another problem is we have tons of people that does not own an SSD but after reading around the Internet, they start advicing and giving the wrong information. I am one of the early users of SSD and I can tell you that 1 x SSD would be ideal. RAID-0 SSD is only if you have extra cash and don't know what to spend on Even window boot time, a few seconds delay isnt gonna kill me. HDD do not boot windows 10-30min slower than SSD. May be you need is different from me, but for user like me, I wont be noticing any much different from SSD. it really depends on the user need, some people might find SSD useful, some like me dont. This post has been edited by billytong: Sep 21 2010, 11:15 PM |
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Sep 22 2010, 10:03 AM
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QUOTE(everling @ Sep 21 2010, 07:27 PM) Two SSDs? err lol not me .. i was just telling the person before the post since he already has intelG2. there's two choice : raid it or get a new one. the less hassle and have trim support is to buy a faster main, and keep G2 as not-too-slow-loading-less-intensive-apps .. XD You are clearly too rich already and have too many huge applications and games that you need to run at the same time. >billy impatient is the word. facing office pc with PATA hdd, and going back home with just mediocre SATA hdd, well that makes a very frustrating day. hahah |
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Sep 22 2010, 11:09 AM
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QUOTE(dtdw @ Sep 22 2010, 10:03 AM) err lol not me .. i was just telling the person before the post since he already has intelG2. there's two choice : raid it or get a new one. the less hassle and have trim support is to buy a faster main, and keep G2 as not-too-slow-loading-less-intensive-apps .. XD i wonder whether trim is supported when using windows buildin raid function...???>billy impatient is the word. facing office pc with PATA hdd, and going back home with just mediocre SATA hdd, well that makes a very frustrating day. hahah i know when using hard/bios initiated raid.. trim will not work |
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Sep 22 2010, 11:20 AM
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At the moment, not possible. RAID is the problem because it will not pass TRIM commands from the OS to the SSD.
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Sep 22 2010, 01:59 PM
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I'm really happy with the newly purchased SSD. I can really felt the performance increase that never been experienced.
Anyway, I'm not sure how to check whether the TRIM is enabled or not. Some SSD owner can point me how to check? What I did as below: 1. Format SSD 2. Install Wins 7 3. Change the SATA control from IDE to ACHI However, I didn't install the ACHI driver during Windows setup, so I am wondering whether TRIM is enabled or not by the machine. Will the ACHI driver will be installed by Windows 7 natively? Another question, I'm thinking to get Corsair Force Series as well since it is about RM600 for a 60GB drive. I found some problems like kernel BSOD for the Force Series due to the firmware they used on SF1200 controller. Is this problem solved? Any inputs will be appreciated. This post has been edited by 5564321: Sep 22 2010, 02:01 PM |
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Sep 22 2010, 06:33 PM
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Ah dtdw, I just dreaming dreaming + dreaming and suddenly got question at there. So asking for knowledge ma
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Sep 23 2010, 12:05 AM
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3 Seagate system hdd crashed my system in a year.
I am doing a lot BD iso and conversion. To me data reliability is of utmost importance. I am hoping SSD is my answer for now. (at least for now) For normal user, performance gain is not significantly noticeable. System and programs would just load like as if they are on steroid. QUOTE Even window boot time, a few seconds delay isnt gonna kill me. HDD do not boot windows 10-30min slower than SSD. May be you need is different from me, but for user like me, I wont be noticing any much different from SSD. it really depends on the user need, some people might find SSD useful, some like me dont. Added on September 23, 2010, 12:08 am QUOTE I think it's fine as long as we share the correct information smile.gif It's common over here that some people advice without knowing what they are talking about sometimes. When we RAID, we lose the TRIM feature so eventually things might go slow (which I also notice in my case). One of these days I have to do something about it, waste of time ain't it? biggrin.gif Boss, isn't there Intel SSD tool that can help to clean and realign data for Intel SSD? This post has been edited by ronaldjoe: Sep 23 2010, 12:08 AM |
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Sep 23 2010, 02:19 AM
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Heard SSD failing rate is high. Higher than HDD
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Sep 23 2010, 10:10 AM
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QUOTE(Onion-KiD @ Sep 22 2010, 06:33 PM) Ah dtdw, I just dreaming dreaming + dreaming and suddenly got question at there. So asking for knowledge ma hahah .. dream on(joke) pls allow people dreaming and imagines if get another piece and asking to gain knowledge btw i just read that by raiding it, you gain insane read speeds. some test owned crucial sata3. but the write speeds is .. meh ... rather wait for G3 |
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Sep 23 2010, 10:40 AM
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QUOTE(munak991 @ Sep 23 2010, 02:19 AM) Heard SSD failing rate is high. Higher than HDD Especially those on Sandforce controller... It just would just die and bye bye. |
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Sep 23 2010, 01:58 PM
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QUOTE(ronaldjoe @ Sep 23 2010, 10:40 AM) Especially those on Sandforce controller... Then consumer grade of SSD and even HDD don't suit you. You need to pay more for enterprise grade drives. It just would just die and bye bye.Also, SSD upgrade is perhaps better than even ram upgrade. Some might say 10 sec program loading reduce to 5 sec loading like not significant but hey if you open programs day to day, how many seconds you have saved? Especially you are in a rush to do something, what would you feel when something response slow like a snail? |
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Sep 23 2010, 04:20 PM
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Regarding game loading time, which in view of my sig you should know which game I am talking about...
Currently my loading time is hell annoying, even tried reformating, it just dont work.. Always slowest to complete my load.. I wonder if SSD would solve the misery I am facing.. |
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Sep 23 2010, 05:05 PM
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QUOTE(hosealwh @ Sep 23 2010, 01:58 PM) Then consumer grade of SSD and even HDD don't suit you. You need to pay more for enterprise grade drives. It's a matter of $$$ Vs Performance.Also, SSD upgrade is perhaps better than even ram upgrade. Some might say 10 sec program loading reduce to 5 sec loading like not significant but hey if you open programs day to day, how many seconds you have saved? Especially you are in a rush to do something, what would you feel when something response slow like a snail? It got nothing to do with 10 sec or 5 sec. It's the overall experience, everything become snappier and responsive. My proc already costed me 1k. Intel proc would cost even more. Some ppl won't mind spending the extra on SSD. |
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Sep 24 2010, 01:53 AM
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QUOTE(hosealwh @ Sep 23 2010, 01:58 PM) Then consumer grade of SSD and even HDD don't suit you. You need to pay more for enterprise grade drives. Ever considering durability vs performance?Also, SSD upgrade is perhaps better than even ram upgrade. Some might say 10 sec program loading reduce to 5 sec loading like not significant but hey if you open programs day to day, how many seconds you have saved? Especially you are in a rush to do something, what would you feel when something response slow like a snail? a HDD can last > 5 years let say depreciation of the HDD is 20% slower and a SSD constantly using can last around 5 years which totally to drain Which 1 would u prefer if u are a company or a BT downloader? I dont mind it slow down 5 sec( When you have time to play game 5 sec does it matters?) |
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Sep 24 2010, 03:22 AM
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QUOTE(munak991 @ Sep 24 2010, 01:53 AM) Ever considering durability vs performance? I think you totally do not understand what SSD's are meant for and how do we best utilize it. Firstly, start reading up google articles on what are the main advantages of SSD and why is it fast, becoming the current trend, etc. Secondly, if you're someone that doesn't go for technology and not willing to spend, don't ever think of SSD. You can settle down with normal SATA2 or even IDE drives (those won't depreciate so much). Sometimes it's simple, we do our own homework first and get an idea what the product is all about.a HDD can last > 5 years let say depreciation of the HDD is 20% slower and a SSD constantly using can last around 5 years which totally to drain Which 1 would u prefer if u are a company or a BT downloader? I dont mind it slow down 5 sec( When you have time to play game 5 sec does it matters?) |
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Sep 24 2010, 05:17 AM
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If you guys have a SATAII pc and stumble upon Intel X25-M, OCZ Vertex 2 and Crucial RealSSD C300, in reliability and performance point of view, which one would you choose? (Ignoring the price) |
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Sep 24 2010, 10:22 AM
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OCZ Vertex 2 FTW with Sata II
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Sep 24 2010, 11:37 AM
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QUOTE(ronaldjoe @ Sep 24 2010, 10:22 AM) OCZ Vertex 2 FTW with Sata II i would think so too. and with the recent price cut from a certain seller here. 120gb is at a sweet spot with lowest gb per RM. i think its RM 9 per.but stil playing a waiting game as it is dropping quite fast. regarding sc2, without a doubt ssd would save the day. |
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Sep 24 2010, 11:47 AM
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Is vertex 2 faster than Intel x25-m?
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Sep 24 2010, 12:06 PM
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its funny how people just come here and want fast cheap yes no answers. its like asking is intel faster than amd ?
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Sep 24 2010, 12:32 PM
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QUOTE(dtdw @ Sep 24 2010, 11:37 AM) i would think so too. and with the recent price cut from a certain seller here. 120gb is at a sweet spot with lowest gb per RM. i think its RM 9 per. Kingston's price hasn't been beaten yet though. RM 6.71/GB for the 128GB for the V edition.but stil playing a waiting game as it is dropping quite fast. regarding sc2, without a doubt ssd would save the day. |
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Sep 24 2010, 01:09 PM
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Vertex 2 120GB below RM7.50 per GB. You do the math... LOL
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Sep 24 2010, 01:26 PM
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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Sep 24 2010, 03:22 AM) I think you totally do not understand what SSD's are meant for and how do we best utilize it. Firstly, start reading up google articles on what are the main advantages of SSD and why is it fast, becoming the current trend, etc. Secondly, if you're someone that doesn't go for technology and not willing to spend, don't ever think of SSD. You can settle down with normal SATA2 or even IDE drives (those won't depreciate so much). Sometimes it's simple, we do our own homework first and get an idea what the product is all about. Hmmmm, I couldnt disagree you, you are true also i want SSD so much but after reading some of the article SSD doesnt works like HDD u need some space to let it work at optimal rate.Maybe ill wait for SSD dominate the market 1st only i grab 1 unit |
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Sep 24 2010, 01:38 PM
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QUOTE(munak991 @ Sep 24 2010, 01:26 PM) Hmmmm, I couldnt disagree you, you are true also i want SSD so much but after reading some of the article SSD doesnt works like HDD u need some space to let it work at optimal rate. You basically want to improve the read speed of the OS, applications and games you're running hence you put all of these on the SSD drive. Photos, videos, documents, etc should go to the conventional platter drive. By doing this, everything in Windows would be snappier because of the improved response time from the SSD. Remember that most of the time, the bottleneck is with the hard disk drive, not our RAM or CPU. The SSD helps in this area by reducing the bottleneck.Maybe ill wait for SSD dominate the market 1st only i grab 1 unit |
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Sep 24 2010, 01:44 PM
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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Sep 24 2010, 01:38 PM) You basically want to improve the read speed of the OS, applications and games you're running hence you put all of these on the SSD drive. Photos, videos, documents, etc should go to the conventional platter drive. By doing this, everything in Windows would be snappier because of the improved response time from the SSD. Remember that most of the time, the bottleneck is with the hard disk drive, not our RAM or CPU. The SSD helps in this area by reducing the bottleneck. Failure rate of SSD isit high? |
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Sep 24 2010, 02:03 PM
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QUOTE(munak991 @ Sep 24 2010, 01:44 PM) Failure rate of SSD isit high? Who told you it's high? Any source or internal information from Intel? |
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Sep 24 2010, 05:09 PM
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QUOTE(ronaldjoe @ Sep 24 2010, 01:09 PM) Vertex 2 120GB below RM7.50 per GB. You do the math... LOL OCZ Vertex 2 120GB selling at US$240 in Amazon or RM 6.3 per GB. can't resist itI'm considered to buy it, anyone wanna join? |
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Sep 24 2010, 05:39 PM
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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Sep 24 2010, 02:03 PM) Who told you it's high? Sometimes when browsing the net related to SSD, i stumble upon some web discussing the issue of "SSD have higher failure rate". Though i do not dig deep into it. The only link im able to recall is: Any source or internal information from Intel?http://hothardware.com/News/SSDs-Have-High-Failure-Rate/ |
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Sep 24 2010, 05:49 PM
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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Sep 24 2010, 01:38 PM) You basically want to improve the read speed of the OS, applications and games you're running hence you put all of these on the SSD drive. Photos, videos, documents, etc should go to the conventional platter drive. By doing this, everything in Windows would be snappier because of the improved response time from the SSD. Remember that most of the time, the bottleneck is with the hard disk drive, not our RAM or CPU. The SSD helps in this area by reducing the bottleneck. +1 Typically, people keep complaining about SSD's reliability and price but do not actually own a SSD drive. Get 1 and it will change your mind. To show the performance difference, here is the benchmark screenshot of my own entry level SSD and F3 1TB: 
Please don't compare to the internet reviews as I just wanted to show my own experience of the performance difference. Added on September 24, 2010, 5:57 pm QUOTE(pergilahsayang @ Sep 24 2010, 05:39 PM) Sometimes when browsing the net related to SSD, i stumble upon some web discussing the issue of "SSD have higher failure rate". Though i do not dig deep into it. The only link im able to recall is: http://hothardware.com/News/SSDs-Have-High-Failure-Rate/  Please look at the date of the article and it is very vague. Technology is moving fast and nowadays flash memory has a much higher write cycles already.This post has been edited by hosealwh: Sep 24 2010, 05:57 PM |
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Sep 24 2010, 06:33 PM
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Yeah i did say the 'only one' i can recall though
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QUOTE(hosealwh @ Sep 24 2010, 05:49 PM) +1 +1. For comments should be based on personal experience and not quoting from others. Typically, people keep complaining about SSD's reliability and price but do not actually own a SSD drive. Get 1 and it will change your mind. To show the performance difference, here is the benchmark screenshot of my own entry level SSD and F3 1TB:
Please don't compare to the internet reviews as I just wanted to show my own experience of the performance difference. Added on September 24, 2010, 5:57 pm Please look at the date of the article and it is very vague. Technology is moving fast and nowadays flash memory has a much higher write cycles already. |
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QUOTE(munak991 @ Sep 24 2010, 01:53 AM) Ever considering durability vs performance? You will need to write over 100GB a day to an Intel 80GB SSD in order to wear it out in 5 years time. You will need to have a constant download rate 9.48 Mbps for 5 continuous years to achieve this.a HDD can last > 5 years let say depreciation of the HDD is 20% slower and a SSD constantly using can last around 5 years which totally to drain Which 1 would u prefer if u are a company or a BT downloader? I dont mind it slow down 5 sec( When you have time to play game 5 sec does it matters?) Of course, at that rate, you will also need to flush out the data onto your other secondary storage devices. Do you happen to have such a real demand? Also, Bittorrent is a terrible example. Because a typical chunk for the big files are usually 4MB, so SSDs will not outperform normal HDDs by a significant margin on this task. SSDs will also not outperform HDDs because your Bittorrent demand of 9.48 Mbps is equal to only 1.2 MB/s. Please keep in mind that the F3 can read at well over 100 MB/s. Please throw this particular concern into the nearest trash can, pour petrol on it and throw a lighted match into the can. It is dead. Stop flogging the carcass. QUOTE(Kiding @ Sep 24 2010, 05:09 PM) OCZ Vertex 2 120GB selling at US$240 in Amazon Does that include shipping from the US to your home? or RM 6.3 per GB. can't resist itI'm considered to buy it, anyone wanna join? |
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Sep 24 2010, 11:48 PM
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The TRIM run onto the SSD drive because of SSD is using Flash Based.
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QUOTE(zsnipes @ Sep 24 2010, 11:48 PM) The TRIM run onto the SSD drive because of SSD is using Flash Based. AFAIK, TRIM is flash controller based and it needs to be support by OS as well. Basically I don't see a need for thumb drive to have this function as they are not being wrote often as much like SSD.May I know is our 64GB Thumb Drive (Flash Based) can run the TRIM to refresh its flash memory inside to improve its performance ? There are reasons why SSDs are more expensive then thumb drives. This post has been edited by hosealwh: Sep 25 2010, 12:58 AM |
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QUOTE(hosealwh @ Sep 25 2010, 12:53 AM) AFAIK, TRIM is flash controller based and it needs to be support by OS as well. Basically I don't see a need for thumb drive to have this function as they are not being wrote often as much like SSD. i thought our thumb drive also has Flash Controller inside.There are reasons why SSDs are more expensive then thumb drives. Initially using my 8GB Corsair Flash Voyager GT is very flash. I using it very frequent, write, delete, overwrite & write again. Now feel the thumb drive write slower & slower. How to really refresh a full thumb drive capacity ? No format just won't do freshen up. Any advise ? |
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QUOTE(pergilahsayang @ Sep 24 2010, 05:39 PM) Sometimes when browsing the net related to SSD, i stumble upon some web discussing the issue of "SSD have higher failure rate". Though i do not dig deep into it. The only link im able to recall is: That's the whole problem http://hothardware.com/News/SSDs-Have-High-Failure-Rate/ You're reading on a 2008 article which is totally outdated and technology have been improving so much ever since. Even the CPU's are a few generations ahead so please, try to google something more recent for better accuracy. SSD's these days use better controllers and hence does not have high failure rate.QUOTE(hosealwh @ Sep 24 2010, 05:49 PM) +1 Typical Malaysian mentality which I don't know why Typically, people keep complaining about SSD's reliability and price but do not actually own a SSD drive. Get 1 and it will change your mind. 70% of the people don't own SSD's and based on their readings and word of mouth, they start spreading the wrong information. This is a mentality which people should change. |
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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Sep 25 2010, 04:57 AM) That's the whole problem 2 words Its expensive You're reading on a 2008 article which is totally outdated and technology have been improving so much ever since. Even the CPU's are a few generations ahead so please, try to google something more recent for better accuracy. SSD's these days use better controllers and hence does not have high failure rate.Typical Malaysian mentality which I don't know why 70% of the people don't own SSD's and based on their readings and word of mouth, they start spreading the wrong information. This is a mentality which people should change.i always wanted to raid a HDD but if i raid 2 HDD i would go for a SSD and the capacity of a SSD is very small, so end up i buy 1 HDD This post has been edited by munak991: Sep 25 2010, 05:54 AM |
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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Sep 25 2010, 05:57 AM) That's the whole problem +1 You're reading on a 2008 article which is totally outdated and technology have been improving so much ever since. Even the CPU's are a few generations ahead so please, try to google something more recent for better accuracy. SSD's these days use better controllers and hence does not have high failure rate.Typical Malaysian mentality which I don't know why 70% of the people don't own SSD's and based on their readings and word of mouth, they start spreading the wrong information. This is a mentality which people should change.People who don't own any SSD will never know what's the SSD for. the convenience of SSD in the laptops is just awesome. When you're in mobility, time is always concerned. I believe people who don't like to wait minutes to boot up their long-used windows with tons of files instead of just 30-40 seconds On the other hand, the typical hdd random access speed will never on par with ssd anytime. which is why ssd are so expensive due to the flash memory Added on September 25, 2010, 12:03 pm QUOTE(munak991 @ Sep 25 2010, 06:53 AM) 2 words Its expensive lol i always wanted to raid a HDD but if i raid 2 HDD i would go for a SSD and the capacity of a SSD is very small, so end up i buy 1 HDD Raid HDD will only increase the seq. read/write speed. Still slow mang when comes to random file accessing. Buy an SSD, and buy a HDD for storage. This post has been edited by 168257061: Sep 25 2010, 12:03 PM |
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the one who quoted 7.5 per gb. hmm that's if u do direct conversion using xe.com I suppose. it's imposible to get that rate.
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QUOTE(munak991 @ Sep 25 2010, 05:53 AM) 2 words Its expensive Expensive is a relative term. I say it's cheap. LOLi always wanted to raid a HDD but if i raid 2 HDD i would go for a SSD and the capacity of a SSD is very small, so end up i buy 1 HDD QUOTE(Kiding @ Sep 24 2010, 05:09 PM) OCZ Vertex 2 120GB selling at US$240 in Amazon or RM 6.3 per GB. can't resist itI'm considered to buy it, anyone wanna join? QUOTE(dtdw @ Sep 25 2010, 12:48 PM) the one who quoted 7.5 per gb. hmm that's if u do direct conversion using xe.com I suppose. it's imposible to get that rate. This is the cost to reach Bolehland. I am happy to take 2 new units of Vertex 2 for RAID at RM6.3/GB. You sell to me. Added on September 25, 2010, 8:43 pmPrice and model aside... When is the manufacturers gonna release firmware or driver that support TRIM on raid set up? This post has been edited by ronaldjoe: Sep 25 2010, 08:43 PM |
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What is Trim, SandForce?
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QUOTE(munak991 @ Sep 25 2010, 05:53 AM) 2 words Its expensive Like I said, if you're not willing to spend and think it's expensive then forget about it i always wanted to raid a HDD but if i raid 2 HDD i would go for a SSD and the capacity of a SSD is very small, so end up i buy 1 HDD Live with traditional HDD's or get those old/used IDE hard disks and save some money. You don't even need SATA It's not that you can't use them but just that they are not the latest and literally, slow. People that are never willing to pay more for the latest technology will never get to own it. By the time current SSD prices drop, something new has emerged so the cycle never ends. Either you go ahead and pay more for state of the art technology or just forget about SSD's.This post has been edited by clawhammer: Sep 26 2010, 05:16 AM |
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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Sep 26 2010, 05:14 AM) Like I said, if you're not willing to spend and think it's expensive then forget about it its not the time yet >< Live with traditional HDD's or get those old/used IDE hard disks and save some money. You don't even need SATA It's not that you can't use them but just that they are not the latest and literally, slow. People that are never willing to pay more for the latest technology will never get to own it. By the time current SSD prices drop, something new has emerged so the cycle never ends. Either you go ahead and pay more for state of the art technology or just forget about SSD's. |
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QUOTE(flexus90 @ Sep 25 2010, 11:57 PM) What is Trim, SandForce? TRIM is a command that helps to maintain the performance of an SSD against file fragmentation. Older SSDs did not have support for TRIM, and thus will eventually perform slower and slower and the SSD gets more fragmented.Does SDD have it own standard like ram? SandForce is a controller, something like a firmware. SSDs doesn't have a particular standard at this time, other than adopting most from SATA. If you want much more detailed information, google for it. QUOTE(clawhammer @ Sep 26 2010, 05:14 AM) By the time current SSD prices drop, something new has emerged so the cycle never ends. Either you go ahead and pay more for state of the art technology or just forget about SSD's. It was about two decades of HDD before SSD appeared in the consumer market. Might take another similarly long period to find a replacement. |
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QUOTE(everling @ Sep 26 2010, 01:23 PM) It was about two decades of HDD before SSD appeared in the consumer market. Might take another similarly long period to find a replacement. Actually SSD's has evolved for a few generations since it was first introduced. The controllers were change, TRIM were introduced, fabrication process is now 32nm, etc. It's the same with platter drives, they started with IDE with low rpm, single platter then move on to the others. Hence, it's not the same and if you want cheap SSD's, there are also plenty of them around Why are they cheap? Answer is simple, those are the older days SSD techology. IT and computer technology moves very fast so it definitely won't take 2 decades (not even 2 years) for people to come up with something new. |
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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Sep 27 2010, 02:10 AM) Actually SSD's has evolved for a few generations since it was first introduced. The controllers were change, TRIM were introduced, fabrication process is now 32nm, etc. It's the same with platter drives, they started with IDE with low rpm, single platter then move on to the others. Hence, it's not the same and if you want cheap SSD's, there are also plenty of them around But you will see the harddisk history, how long do the 3.5inches harddisk and 2.5inches harddisk conquer in IT consumer economy. It's not 1 year, not 10 years, but more. Why are they cheap? Answer is simple, those are the older days SSD techology. IT and computer technology moves very fast so it definitely won't take 2 decades (not even 2 years) for people to come up with something new.It is true that we cannot predict the future, who knows after 1 year they release even new technology that even smaller than SSD. But you have to see the consumer side ( It will only get popular when the price is right ), if you ask anyone who owns the SSD, I can say not much of people purchase it. Even in US those guys are not even thinking of SSD unless those IT benchmark guys or reviewers. A lot of consumers purchase harddisk primarily for storage and backup purpose. Since there is RAID technology, it should be easier compare with single harddisk. But those who has alot of budget, they can definitely go for SSD. I have read the comparison between normal harddisk and SSD. Indeed SSD did provide good reading and writing speed. But guess what, this is only good for those video editing, large ( is very very large ) amount of data transferring, or other high volume of data might be getting benefit. I cannot denied that SSD can increase speed for booting and normal transfer, but with a few second differ, I don't see we need to purchase SSD which is 5 times (or more ) more expensive than normal hhd in order to satisfied for few seconds of performance increase. Conclusion: See wallet pocket to tell the truth. XD Peace~~~ |
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QUOTE(Jet23sky @ Sep 27 2010, 09:38 AM) I have read the comparison between normal harddisk and SSD. Indeed SSD did provide good reading and writing speed. But guess what, this is only good for those video editing, large ( is very very large ) amount of data transferring, or other high volume of data might be getting benefit. I cannot denied that SSD can increase speed for booting and normal transfer, but with a few second differ, I don't see we need to purchase SSD which is 5 times (or more ) more expensive than normal hhd in order to satisfied for few seconds of performance increase. SSD's primary strength isn't its maximum read/write speeds (1.x to 3 times faster), but its extremely short latency (50 to 150 times faster). The much shorter latency is the reason SSDs are unbeatable by HDDs. |
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Sep 27 2010, 11:15 AM
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If got 1 million in bank account. Why not get one SSD. ;-)
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QUOTE(Jet23sky @ Sep 27 2010, 09:38 AM) But you will see the harddisk history, how long do the 3.5inches harddisk and 2.5inches harddisk conquer in IT consumer economy. It's not 1 year, not 10 years, but more. You don't get the point It is true that we cannot predict the future, who knows after 1 year they release even new technology that even smaller than SSD. But you have to see the consumer side ( It will only get popular when the price is right ), if you ask anyone who owns the SSD, I can say not much of people purchase it. Even in US those guys are not even thinking of SSD unless those IT benchmark guys or reviewers. A lot of consumers purchase harddisk primarily for storage and backup purpose. Since there is RAID technology, it should be easier compare with single harddisk. But those who has alot of budget, they can definitely go for SSD. I have read the comparison between normal harddisk and SSD. Indeed SSD did provide good reading and writing speed. But guess what, this is only good for those video editing, large ( is very very large ) amount of data transferring, or other high volume of data might be getting benefit. I cannot denied that SSD can increase speed for booting and normal transfer, but with a few second differ, I don't see we need to purchase SSD which is 5 times (or more ) more expensive than normal hhd in order to satisfied for few seconds of performance increase. Conclusion: See wallet pocket to tell the truth. XD Peace~~~ Let me tell you why:1. You must understand that in a PC, there are always a need for non-volatile storage. As such, we have something called HDD (platter drives) in the past and now SSD (NAND-based flash memory). How can you compare in terms of 3.5" or 2.5"? It doesn't make sense 2. If you think SSD is a new product then you are wrong again. Please, use google.com or wiki to read up about SSD. 3. The problem with typical Malaysians are that people are never realistic. We expect everything to be cheap, think and day dream that SSD will have a 200-300% drop in price next month (for example). It is also because of such mentality, people easily get conned and fall into get rich quick schemes because of their sillyness and foolishness. Look, over time when production is getting higher, price will eventually be cheaper. 4. Based on your explanation, you totally have the wrong concept altogether. Your understanding about RAID is totally incorrect. The main purpose of RAID is obviously not for combining disks! If you think SSD is not popular in the US then you're wrong again You should join up some US based forums and look at their storage sub-section.5. I do not want to dwell into how and why SSD is better than a normal hard disk but from the way you explain, I'm pretty sure you don't even own a piece of proper SSD so you can't tell nor differentiate. Your theory and conclusion is based on reading and understanding the wrong information from the wrong people OR you just don't get the whole point and picture of why SSD could make a difference to your daily computing. 6. No one is forcing you to buy. Everything that is new in the market is never cheap. It's either you are willing to spend for something state of the art or just live with technology of the past. 7. Lastly, it is best if you can find a PC running with a proper SSD so that you can understand what difference it gives. |
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Any bad remarks about the Corsair F60 SSD?
I am planning to get it for my future rig or should I wait for the next generation SSD? |
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QUOTE(dma0991 @ Sep 27 2010, 11:19 PM) Any bad remarks about the Corsair F60 SSD? I also want to get this F60 last 2 weeks. Then I googling a bit just before buy, so many bad news about this model,I am planning to get it for my future rig or should I wait for the next generation SSD? mainly because its Firmware problem Reading from so many sources also like that. I don't know whether it's alrd settle alrd or not. Hopefully fix it fast lah. I also want buy a good SSD. I find this F60 most fits me in terms of performance & budget. How come now those SSD so many issue (eg. Firmware/Controller) one, last time but a simple HDD only need to choose Brands, but now buy a SSD also need to know so many stuff. Tired alrd.... |
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QUOTE(zsnipes @ Sep 27 2010, 11:51 PM) I also want to get this F60 last 2 weeks. Then I googling a bit just before buy, so many bad news about this model, It would still be a few months before I buy it..hope they fix they update the firmware by then mainly because its Firmware problem Reading from so many sources also like that. I don't know whether it's alrd settle alrd or not. Hopefully fix it fast lah. I also want buy a good SSD. I find this F60 most fits me in terms of performance & budget. How come now those SSD so many issue (eg. Firmware/Controller) one, last time but a simple HDD only need to choose Brands, but now buy a SSD also need to know so many stuff. Tired alrd.... But it still has the Sandforce memory controller..one of the few reasons I didn't want to get the Kingston V series |
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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Sep 27 2010, 02:16 PM) You don't get the point 1. I didn't compare 3.5 or 2.5. just that all are drives that able to save your data and storage in an efficient way. Let me tell you why:1. You must understand that in a PC, there are always a need for non-volatile storage. As such, we have something called HDD (platter drives) in the past and now SSD (NAND-based flash memory). How can you compare in terms of 3.5" or 2.5"? It doesn't make sense 2. If you think SSD is a new product then you are wrong again. Please, use google.com or wiki to read up about SSD. 3. The problem with typical Malaysians are that people are never realistic. We expect everything to be cheap, think and day dream that SSD will have a 200-300% drop in price next month (for example). It is also because of such mentality, people easily get conned and fall into get rich quick schemes because of their sillyness and foolishness. Look, over time when production is getting higher, price will eventually be cheaper. 4. Based on your explanation, you totally have the wrong concept altogether. Your understanding about RAID is totally incorrect. The main purpose of RAID is obviously not for combining disks! If you think SSD is not popular in the US then you're wrong again You should join up some US based forums and look at their storage sub-section.5. I do not want to dwell into how and why SSD is better than a normal hard disk but from the way you explain, I'm pretty sure you don't even own a piece of proper SSD so you can't tell nor differentiate. Your theory and conclusion is based on reading and understanding the wrong information from the wrong people OR you just don't get the whole point and picture of why SSD could make a difference to your daily computing. 6. No one is forcing you to buy. Everything that is new in the market is never cheap. It's either you are willing to spend for something state of the art or just live with technology of the past. 7. Lastly, it is best if you can find a PC running with a proper SSD so that you can understand what difference it gives. 2. i nvr think SSD is a new product. ( You assume only ). That's is why it has been so many years, but SSD is still not able to rise up in the market, and yet everyone is still thinking of purchasing RM300+ 2TB harddisk. 3. Here is Malaysia. That is how the market is. I'm bought a PC cost RM8k last year. All frens and other relatives said I'm idiot. I do enjoy technology. But guess what. After use it for some time, I really do think it is really waste of money cause with RM3k I can still enjoy using PC. That is life. That is why people still hoping SSD to drop price. Trust me, it will. It is just a matter of time. ( This is what era, even LCD few years ago from 10k drop even RM600 only ). 4. RAID is used to increase storage reliability through redundancy, combining multiple low-cost, less-reliable disk drives components into a logical unit where all drives in the array are interdependent. I never say it is for combining disks. ( You assume it as well ). 5. It is true i do not own SSD. But do you think all reviewers in the whole world are giving wrong information? That is how I get my nice pc after reading review video for 3 months in total. I also know it can make difference for daily computing. But how much. Huge diff? How huge it will be? Could you please elaborate more on this? Cause I really do not think normal consumer really need to spend 1k on harddisk right now just can make difference for daily computing. ( Except for organization thats for sure ). If purchasing SSD is just to speed up games, processing daily photo, video editing, gaming ( Thats what all normal consumer do ). I think it's not worth it. 6. In fact, I'm not planning to buy at the moment . ( and no one is forcing me too lolz ) You pay what you get. Thats all I can say.7. I feel it does not necessary to do so cause all my frens don't have SSD. With my current pc spec. I'm really happy with it I have alot of feeling about this since I bought RM8k PC. It is not that I wan to make myself bangga. Just to let you know. Here is Malaysia. If really want to make everyone able to get SSD. It's either make Malaysia economy better or wait till SSD drop price. Man.. writing this is like flamming already.. I apologise if there is any offend. PEACE~~ P/S: Lolz, after finish this post, i only find out is you. Yesterday afternoon we chat about acceletro 5870 lolz.  This post has been edited by Jet23sky: Sep 28 2010, 01:05 AM |
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Will the RM 3K desktop with an SSD be slower, as fast or faster than the RM 8K desktop with a HDD at launching 50 programs? It may be interesting to see such a youtube clip.
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SSD is faster than HDD...
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Sep 28 2010, 03:05 AM
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QUOTE(everling @ Sep 28 2010, 02:45 AM) Will the RM 3K desktop with an SSD be slower, as fast or faster than the RM 8K desktop with a HDD at launching 50 programs? It may be interesting to see such a youtube clip. Impossible for a regular 3k desktop with a SSD can be slower than a 8k desktop with a HDD..HDD is a bottleneck of the system..if only the bigger capacity SSD is cheap in the market then it would totally boost gaming loading times assuming it is installed on the SSD |
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One more reason to upgrade to ssd now,
http://www.storagereview.com/ocz_onyx_2_ssd_announced 120gb priced at $189 only! With read write speed up to 270MBps This post has been edited by iZZiDeltA: Sep 29 2010, 01:44 AM |
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QUOTE(dma0991 @ Sep 28 2010, 12:19 AM) Any bad remarks about the Corsair F60 SSD? why not the intel X-25.Am i missing something here.Havn't been updating with SSD's for now. I am planning to get it for my future rig or should I wait for the next generation SSD? |
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Sep 29 2010, 09:55 AM
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The current generation of Intel's SSDs are out-classed by SSDs with SandForce controllers. It remains to be seen if Intel's 3rd generation of SSDs, coming out within the next few months, will be better or not.
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QUOTE(iZZiDeltA @ Sep 29 2010, 01:43 AM) One more reason to upgrade to ssd now, sometimes you just wish you'd born in a tech advanced world eh? latest stuffs can get instantly and no need rugi conversion. and always get rebate rebate. unlike here even after bargain stil so exp. lolhttp://www.storagereview.com/ocz_onyx_2_ssd_announced 120gb priced at $189 only! With read write speed up to 270MBps |
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haha very true...i guess grass is not greener here after all when it comes 2 latest tech eh
semua suka2 naik tapi gaji sekali tak pernah naik pun  so ya tech remain luxury hobby here unlike western counterpart...work in MCD 4 say 3 months in western can get SLI system easily dy |
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The problem in Malaysia is there's less to no distributor to some great and/or rare items, that's why it's so expensive, it's also sort of monopolize.
Even the value items will become not-so-value when it came into Malaysia, and at the East here, we suffer more than just the conversion, shipping from West already cost us, even worst some retailer just don't want to import the stuff I wanted... *sigh* |
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able to afford 8k pc but not consider even an ssd. |
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Sep 29 2010, 03:36 PM
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OCZ's Fastest SSD, The IBIS and HSDL Interface Reviewed
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3949/oczs-fa...erface-reviewed QUOTE Dubbed the High Speed Data Link (HSDL), OCZ’s new interface delivers 2 - 4GB/s (that’s right, gigabytes) of bi-directional bandwidth to a single SSD. It’s an absolutely absurd amount of bandwidth, definitely more than a single controller can feed today - which is why the first SSD to support it will be a multi-controller device with internal RAID.  Instead of relying on a SATA controller on your motherboard, HSDL SSDs feature a 4-lane PCIe SATA controller on the drive itself. HSDL is essentially a PCIe cable standard that uses a standard SAS cable to carry a 4 PCIe lanes between a SSD and your motherboard. On the system side you’ll just need a dumb card with some amount of logic to grab the cable and fan the signals out to a PCIe slot.  The first SSD to use HDSL is the OCZ IBIS. As the spiritual successor to the Colossus, the IBIS incorporates four SandForce SF-1200 controllers in a single 3.5” chassis. The four controllers sit behind an internal Silicon Image 3124 RAID controller. The four PCIe lanes stemming from the controller are combined and sent over the HSDL cable to the receiving card on the motherboard. The signal is then demuxed by a chip on the card and passed through to the PCIe bus. |
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Sep 29 2010, 05:30 PM
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Gentlemen...I am new to SSDs...but from what my fren showed me...I believe it is something that I could use.
My fren booted his outlook as though it was already running. I am guessing this applies for applications like photoshop too? My 250GB HDD just died on me and I am looking for a replacement ASAP. So wanted to ask if buying a SSD is really that much better compared to conventional HDDs. If yes, what is the mainstream SSD drive now? Please recommend. Thanks! |
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Sep 29 2010, 06:04 PM
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QUOTE(PCHo @ Sep 29 2010, 05:30 PM) Gentlemen...I am new to SSDs...but from what my fren showed me...I believe it is something that I could use. It is really better compared to a regular HDD but state your budget first because some of them priced to give people heart attack..My fren booted his outlook as though it was already running. I am guessing this applies for applications like photoshop too? My 250GB HDD just died on me and I am looking for a replacement ASAP. So wanted to ask if buying a SSD is really that much better compared to conventional HDDs. If yes, what is the mainstream SSD drive now? Please recommend. Thanks! |
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Sep 29 2010, 06:11 PM
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QUOTE(dma0991 @ Sep 29 2010, 06:04 PM) It is really better compared to a regular HDD but state your budget first because some of them priced to give people heart attack.. RM700~800 Izzit enough to get a good one? |
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Sep 29 2010, 06:30 PM
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QUOTE(PCHo @ Sep 29 2010, 06:11 PM) RM700~800 Intel X25M G2 80GB Izzit enough to get a good one? Cost just right around your budget |
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Sep 29 2010, 07:21 PM
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QUOTE(Jet23sky @ Sep 28 2010, 12:54 AM) 1. I didn't compare 3.5 or 2.5. just that all are drives that able to save your data and storage in an efficient way. U has the same side as me. I spend 10k on my dekstop after 2 years it is slower than a 3k com.2. i nvr think SSD is a new product. ( You assume only ). That's is why it has been so many years, but SSD is still not able to rise up in the market, and yet everyone is still thinking of purchasing RM300+ 2TB harddisk. 3. Here is Malaysia. That is how the market is. I'm bought a PC cost RM8k last year. All frens and other relatives said I'm idiot. I do enjoy technology. But guess what. After use it for some time, I really do think it is really waste of money cause with RM3k I can still enjoy using PC. That is life. That is why people still hoping SSD to drop price. Trust me, it will. It is just a matter of time. ( This is what era, even LCD few years ago from 10k drop even RM600 only ). 4. RAID is used to increase storage reliability through redundancy, combining multiple low-cost, less-reliable disk drives components into a logical unit where all drives in the array are interdependent. I never say it is for combining disks. ( You assume it as well ). 5. It is true i do not own SSD. But do you think all reviewers in the whole world are giving wrong information? That is how I get my nice pc after reading review video for 3 months in total. I also know it can make difference for daily computing. But how much. Huge diff? How huge it will be? Could you please elaborate more on this? Cause I really do not think normal consumer really need to spend 1k on harddisk right now just can make difference for daily computing. ( Except for organization thats for sure ). If purchasing SSD is just to speed up games, processing daily photo, video editing, gaming ( Thats what all normal consumer do ). I think it's not worth it. 6. In fact, I'm not planning to buy at the moment . ( and no one is forcing me too lolz ) You pay what you get. Thats all I can say.7. I feel it does not necessary to do so cause all my frens don't have SSD. With my current pc spec. I'm really happy with it I have alot of feeling about this since I bought RM8k PC. It is not that I wan to make myself bangga. Just to let you know. Here is Malaysia. If really want to make everyone able to get SSD. It's either make Malaysia economy better or wait till SSD drop price. Man.. writing this is like flamming already.. I apologise if there is any offend. PEACE~~ P/S: Lolz, after finish this post, i only find out is you. Yesterday afternoon we chat about acceletro 5870 lolz. Now i use 4k to upgrade my PC to get super high end wohoo compare to last time 10k |
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Sep 29 2010, 08:16 PM
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QUOTE(OC4/3 @ Sep 29 2010, 06:30 PM) Intel X25M G2 80GB I am not sure about that one..the read write speed is about 250/70 only (correct if wrong)Cost just right around your budget I am thinking that he should get the Corsair F60 @ RM650 with a read write of 285/275.. I am still waiting feedback on the Corsair F60 w/ SandForce controller..I am thinking of getting it if got positive response in this thread |
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Sep 29 2010, 09:03 PM
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QUOTE(PCHo @ Sep 29 2010, 06:11 PM) RM700~800 If you want more capacity than Intel's 80GB or Corsair F60's 60GB, you could consider Kington's SSDNow V Series 128GB (product no: SNV425-S2/128GB) for about RM850 at PC-Zone. It is a budget type SSD so it is not as good in performance compared to the first two, but it will still crush a Velociraptor and does have a lot more capacity. Izzit enough to get a good one? Viewnet also carries it, for RM799. But I do not know if it is also the SNV425-S2/128GB. Do not buy it if it is the older model as that has serious performance problems that is boycott-worthy. This post has been edited by everling: Sep 29 2010, 09:11 PM |
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Sep 30 2010, 10:16 AM
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» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « yeah ibis ... insane ... price assume also insane .. but if adoption is fast, then price drop will also be fast. but that just makes me like ocz even more. always inovating. Added on September 30, 2010, 10:23 am » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « well techs are getting faster but apps are not getting that much heavy-er. so its sure thing it gets fast with a lower cost. but to reach 10k, it is possible if you buy a new setup compared to just upgrade, coz a few things dont change : monitor, psu, cooling, and hdd. This post has been edited by dtdw: Sep 30 2010, 10:23 AM |
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Sep 30 2010, 12:51 PM
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QUOTE(dma0991 @ Sep 29 2010, 08:16 PM) I am not sure about that one..the read write speed is about 250/70 only (correct if wrong) Get Corsair or OCZ if you are onto Sandforce controller ssd. They have good throughput.I am thinking that he should get the Corsair F60 @ RM650 with a read write of 285/275.. I am still waiting feedback on the Corsair F60 w/ SandForce controller..I am thinking of getting it if got positive response in this thread |
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Sep 30 2010, 06:15 PM
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I've bought the Corsair F60 last week and so far so good. Booting up windows and loading applications are very fast. Here's my AS-SSD benchmark,
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Sep 30 2010, 07:14 PM
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Here mine Intel 80 G2
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Oct 1 2010, 01:07 AM
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Bought a SSD. Immediate advantage :-
1. Damned fast. Its like the first time you use a hard disk after being stuck with 5.4" floppy for your work. Thats the feeling you get when you move from HDD to SSD. 2. No sound. Not "Whisper Quiet", or "Silent Running", Or "Accoustic Dampened", the drive simply makes no sound. No whining as it spins up or down. 3. Very Cool - I use it in a MacBook Pro. By now, I should be feeling heat, but I'm not. 4. No worries about chipped plates as you move your notebook around. Note to Mac OS X users - Your primary choice should be Sandforce based controllers, either the SF1200 (OCZ Vertex 2, Corsair Force Series - Do note that some reports that this series have got firmware issues). For Vertex 2, get a firmware update (latest is 1.11) to get the best performance. Reason why - Mac OS X don't support TRIM, so write speeds are going to suffer, therefore need one with good garbage collection, or better yet what you could abuse (write so many small files) without degrading performance too much. Avoid Crucial's RealSSD. Not sure how well Kingston V+ handles small writes, and how it would degrade over time. |
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Oct 1 2010, 01:28 AM
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QUOTE(redbull_y2k @ Sep 30 2010, 06:15 PM) I've bought the Corsair F60 last week and so far so good. Booting up windows and loading applications are very fast. Here's my AS-SSD benchmark, Why is it that SSD's never actually reaches its max read write speed?I know for a fact that it does not reach but I just don't know why it doesn't reach max..  |
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Oct 1 2010, 03:34 AM
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QUOTE(dma0991 @ Sep 29 2010, 08:16 PM) I am not sure about that one..the read write speed is about 250/70 only (correct if wrong) Well,that is part of the story I am thinking that he should get the Corsair F60 @ RM650 with a read write of 285/275.. I am still waiting feedback on the Corsair F60 w/ SandForce controller..I am thinking of getting it if got positive response in this thread One thing you overlook is Random Read/Write Intel X25M might lost in term of bandwidth but is still quite a fast SSD and price is reasonable for what it is If you can wait through,G3 coming up soon and shall drop the price of SSD quite a bit due to use of 25nm NAND Flash Chip 25nm NAND shall be out sometime in Q4 2010 |
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Oct 1 2010, 12:08 PM
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QUOTE(OC4/3 @ Oct 1 2010, 03:34 AM) Well,that is part of the story I'm also waiting for the 3rd generation of Intel SSDs.. One thing you overlook is Random Read/Write Intel X25M might lost in term of bandwidth but is still quite a fast SSD and price is reasonable for what it is If you can wait through,G3 coming up soon and shall drop the price of SSD quite a bit due to use of 25nm NAND Flash Chip 25nm NAND shall be out sometime in Q4 2010 Just hope by that time it will be a lot cheaper as well.. |
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Oct 1 2010, 02:02 PM
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Oct 1 2010, 04:57 PM
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QUOTE(munak991 @ Sep 29 2010, 07:21 PM) U has the same side as me. I spend 10k on my dekstop after 2 years it is slower than a 3k com. If you ask me spending 1K-2k upgrading computer every year will end up faster than buying 4-6K PC every 3-5years. This is the whole reason why i do not want SSD now. It got plenty of room to drop the price. Now i use 4k to upgrade my PC to get super high end wohoo compare to last time 10k Waiting SSD to cost RM120-RM180 This post has been edited by billytong: Oct 1 2010, 04:58 PM |
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Oct 2 2010, 10:07 AM
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i find it hard to believe 700+mb virus scanning.
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Oct 2 2010, 11:44 AM
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ok y??
its actually lower than what i expected ... please enlightened me new score keeping this for 24/7 lol  This post has been edited by cstkl1: Oct 2 2010, 12:31 PM |
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Oct 2 2010, 01:33 PM
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» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « What is your SSD model and RAID configuration type? This post has been edited by dma0991: Oct 2 2010, 01:36 PM |
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Oct 2 2010, 01:58 PM
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neh
User has asked the wrong question Please try again neh  |
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Oct 2 2010, 02:40 PM
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» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « What makes your rig run at godlike speed? |
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Oct 2 2010, 03:00 PM
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QUOTE(dma0991 @ Oct 2 2010, 02:40 PM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « What makes your rig run at godlike speed? Intel RST Beta 10 driver.It uses 16mb caching of ure Mem so when u have a insanely fast mem .. with low latency say running at 23k MB's.. result above is what u get. ICH10R now is insane.. But comes at a cost. anything above 210 now i am no more superstable.Suspect i am hitting the Read limit on Sata 2..if u see the above atto u will see suddenly a consistent read of 761519 Still testing stage now.. |
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Oct 3 2010, 03:20 PM
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does anyone know which ssd is SandForce-driven?
by looking at OCZ website they stated that only OCZ Onyx 2 is SandForce-driven. any other drive? |
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Oct 3 2010, 09:34 PM
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QUOTE(hnr2802 @ Oct 3 2010, 03:20 PM) does anyone know which ssd is SandForce-driven? Corsair F60by looking at OCZ website they stated that only OCZ Onyx 2 is SandForce-driven. any other drive? |
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Oct 3 2010, 10:59 PM
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Need a bit of advice here...
I plugged it into my pc but I can't see the drive in Windows7 even though in my BIOS the drive is there. I m still running my old 250GB HDD's windows7 btw and haven't got the time to install a fresh copy of Windows7 on my new SSD. I noticed my MOBO having 2 types of SATA sockets. One type is labelled SATAII01, 02...etc. Another is labelled GSATAII01, 02...etc. Where should I plug in my SSD? Anyway, my MOBO is a Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3. Will installing a fresh copy of windows solve my problem? =.=" |
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Oct 3 2010, 11:58 PM
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QUOTE(PCHo @ Oct 3 2010, 10:59 PM) Need a bit of advice here... You cannot see it yet most probably because you haven't formatted the drive yet so it won't show at My Computer yet..I plugged it into my pc but I can't see the drive in Windows7 even though in my BIOS the drive is there. I m still running my old 250GB HDD's windows7 btw and haven't got the time to install a fresh copy of Windows7 on my new SSD. I noticed my MOBO having 2 types of SATA sockets. One type is labelled SATAII01, 02...etc. Another is labelled GSATAII01, 02...etc. Where should I plug in my SSD? Anyway, my MOBO is a Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3. Will installing a fresh copy of windows solve my problem? =.=" If not formatted it would just be unallocated space.. Since you already have the SSD take out your HDD and do a clean format..whatever data important data inside your HDD take it out and format it into your D drive.. You could leave it to dual boot but then it is a hassle to go into BIOS every time to set boot priority whether it is the SSD or the HDD.. GSATA is just a SATA with Gigabyte controller and more or less the same with the regular sata with their controller..plug it anywhere you like |
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Oct 4 2010, 12:49 AM
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QUOTE(PCHo @ Oct 3 2010, 10:59 PM) Need a bit of advice here... Gigabyte using another controller on another GSATAII port other port are using Intel controller.I plugged it into my pc but I can't see the drive in Windows7 even though in my BIOS the drive is there. I m still running my old 250GB HDD's windows7 btw and haven't got the time to install a fresh copy of Windows7 on my new SSD. I noticed my MOBO having 2 types of SATA sockets. One type is labelled SATAII01, 02...etc. Another is labelled GSATAII01, 02...etc. Where should I plug in my SSD? Anyway, my MOBO is a Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3. Will installing a fresh copy of windows solve my problem? =.=" Try go to Gigabyte websites download its drivers for the SATA drivers. all the while u didn't use that GSATAII port rite. Also possible u didn't format the drive initially so cannot see in windows. Fresh Windows install Win7 in SSD where connected to the GSATA port also need that Gigabyte driver, make sure copy the driver files into a Flash Drive 1st before install Win7, otherwise Win7 cannot see it initially. If plug into Intel Controller ports, Win7 should detect it. |
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Oct 4 2010, 08:38 AM
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i wanna ask, any external SSD like External 2.5" hdd drive?
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Oct 4 2010, 09:29 AM
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QUOTE(zsnipes @ Oct 4 2010, 12:49 AM) Gigabyte using another controller on another GSATAII port other port are using Intel controller. Ok, so tat means i'll hav to boot de Windows7 dvd n format from there rite? Can't format it from my current Windows7?Try go to Gigabyte websites download its drivers for the SATA drivers. all the while u didn't use that GSATAII port rite. Also possible u didn't format the drive initially so cannot see in windows. Fresh Windows install Win7 in SSD where connected to the GSATA port also need that Gigabyte driver, make sure copy the driver files into a Flash Drive 1st before install Win7, otherwise Win7 cannot see it initially. If plug into Intel Controller ports, Win7 should detect it. Not aiming to dual boot but can de system like provide de same dual OS selection when I hav 2 Windows7 on 2 different hdd? |
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Oct 4 2010, 10:15 AM
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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Oct 2 2010, 11:44 AM) ok y?? its actually lower than what i expected ... please enlightened me new score keeping this for 24/7 lol » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « well .. because each ssd reads maximum of 300 ? and if just two becomes 600 ? unless it actually depends on ram as well .. or test suite is flawed.. |
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Oct 4 2010, 10:32 AM
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kid needs to read up on caching
if thats the case i7 beating amd 6 cor is flawed even if i disable caching.. the result is the same. caching just gives faster access so read/write spinup is faster to hit the max and the limit on previous ich10r driver on raid 0 was 666 This post has been edited by cstkl1: Oct 4 2010, 10:33 AM |
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Oct 5 2010, 12:50 AM
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QUOTE(PCHo @ Oct 4 2010, 09:29 AM) Ok, so tat means i'll hav to boot de Windows7 dvd n format from there rite? Can't format it from my current Windows7? U can boot Win7 DVD & format there also can, once in Win7 detect ur HDD, if 1st it can see, then no need GSATAII Drivers,Not aiming to dual boot but can de system like provide de same dual OS selection when I hav 2 Windows7 on 2 different hdd? if cannot see, then select load drivers & point to the Flash Drive with GSATAII drivers in there, once loaded, Win7 Setup sure can see. Usually I will load the latest drivers Gigabyte provide no matter Win7 setup see it or not, cause I want newer drivers. For about U can't format in current Win7. Actually you can format it too, u just need load the same drivers within windows 7. Once the Drivers is loaded, Win7 can see the Unallocated Space from the Disk Management. U know how access Disk Management right ? In case not, right click My Computer, select MANAGE, then left side select "Disk Management". If I not wrong, the Gigabyte SATAII Drivers is using JMICRON J36x Chipset, usually I go straight to JMICRON websites download it latest drivers one. Sometimes gigabyte also didn't update it. Let us know results okay ? |
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Oct 5 2010, 02:03 AM
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QUOTE(zsnipes @ Oct 5 2010, 12:50 AM) U can boot Win7 DVD & format there also can, once in Win7 detect ur HDD, if 1st it can see, then no need GSATAII Drivers, Thanks guys!if cannot see, then select load drivers & point to the Flash Drive with GSATAII drivers in there, once loaded, Win7 Setup sure can see. Usually I will load the latest drivers Gigabyte provide no matter Win7 setup see it or not, cause I want newer drivers. For about U can't format in current Win7. Actually you can format it too, u just need load the same drivers within windows 7. Once the Drivers is loaded, Win7 can see the Unallocated Space from the Disk Management. U know how access Disk Management right ? In case not, right click My Computer, select MANAGE, then left side select "Disk Management". If I not wrong, the Gigabyte SATAII Drivers is using JMICRON J36x Chipset, usually I go straight to JMICRON websites download it latest drivers one. Sometimes gigabyte also didn't update it. Let us know results okay ? You all have been a ton of help! I booted the Win7 DVD and installed everything in. Now the SSD drive is running like a charm. Super fast boots and programs load like they were already running. Tested out Starcraft2 too. Although I m not sure, but it does seem to have boosted my games performance. Haven't tried updating the SSD's firmware although I've already downloaded it. Updating it means I have to format it again? Added on October 5, 2010, 2:21 amHow come my scores only 200?!  This post has been edited by PCHo: Oct 5 2010, 02:21 AM |
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Oct 5 2010, 12:53 PM
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is it worth getting a Momentus XT, 2.5-inch Solid State Hybrid Drive and use in Macbook Pro?
Price is double than standard 500GB, but performance wise? anyone using it? |
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Oct 5 2010, 12:58 PM
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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Oct 2 2010, 03:00 PM) right question RST driver seems very unstable now. Got blue blue screenIntel RST Beta 10 driver.It uses 16mb caching of ure Mem so when u have a insanely fast mem .. with low latency say running at 23k MB's.. result above is what u get. ICH10R now is insane.. But comes at a cost. anything above 210 now i am no more superstable.Suspect i am hitting the Read limit on Sata 2..if u see the above atto u will see suddenly a consistent read of 761519 Still testing stage now.. Added on October 5, 2010, 2:15 pm QUOTE(jinaun @ Aug 4 2010, 04:51 PM) SDD Controllers My vote is intel, they are the founder of ssd controller.
Intel Gen1 - PC29AS21AA0 Intel X25-M G1 50nm Flash Kingston SSDNow E Series
Intel Gen2 - PC29AS21BA0 Drives based on this controller:- Intel X25-M G2 34nm Flash Kingston SSDNow M Series
Sandforce SF-1200 Series (Client Processor) Drives based on this controller:- Corsair F Series OWC Mercury Extreme Pro G.Skill Phoenix Pro OCZ Vertex 2 OCZ Agility 2 (with 10k random-write cap) OCZ Vertex LE OCZ Vertex 2 Pro OCZ Vertex 2 EX OCZ Vertex 2E OCZ Agility 2E Mushkin Callisto Deluxe Sandforce SF-1500 Series (Enterprise Processor) Drives based on this controller:- OCZ Vertex 2 Pro
JMicron JMF602 Drives based on this controller:- OCZ Core Series
JMicron JMF612 Drives based on this controller:- Corsair R Series ADATA S596
Indilinx "barefoot" controller Drives based on this controller:- Corsair N Series Corsair E Series OCZ Vertex OCZ Agility OCZ Onyx OCZ Solid 2 OCZ Vertex EX OCZ Agility Ex
Toshiba T6UG1XBG Drives based on this controller:- Kingston SSDNow V+ Second Generation
Samsung S3C29RBB01-YK40 Drives based on this controller:- Corsair P Series OCZ Summit Marvell Drives based on this controller:- Crucial RealSSD C300 Sources: http://www.anandtech.com/print/2829 http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?opti...d=444&Itemid=60 http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/storage/2...sd-controller/1 This post has been edited by OlgaC4: Oct 5 2010, 02:15 PM |
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Oct 5 2010, 05:04 PM
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blue screen dude is ure mobo/cpu issue...
if ure using windows 7.. nothing will enter kernel to get bsod. so check ure other hardwares or ure hdd failing. |
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Oct 5 2010, 09:21 PM
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May i know what is the best value for money SSD in the local market at the moment? Would like to get one to boost my pc's startup speed. Thanks.
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Oct 5 2010, 09:25 PM
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Corsair F60.
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Oct 5 2010, 10:01 PM
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Anybody knows why I am getting scores of 200....=.="""
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Oct 6 2010, 01:01 AM
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I don't really know. It might be because yours is running under emulated IDE mode, as shown by the "pciide" in your screenshot.
To change this to native AHCI mode, you'll need to change the BIOS settings and reinstall the OS. But I can't guarantee that it will fix the problem. Added on October 6, 2010, 2:26 am QUOTE  While Intel is sampling 25nm MLC NAND today it's unclear whether or not we'll see drives available this year. I've heard that there's still a lot of tuning that needs to be done on the 25nm process before we get to production quality NAND. The third generation drives will be available somewhere in the Q4 2010 - Q1 2011 timeframe in capacities ranging from 40GB (X25-V) all the way up to 600GB. Source: Intel's 3rd Generation X25-M SSD Specs Revealed It's only sampling today?! No!!! Interesting paper specs though. This post has been edited by everling: Oct 6 2010, 02:27 AM |
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Oct 6 2010, 06:09 AM
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this is the things everyone waiting for.
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Oct 6 2010, 09:01 AM
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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Oct 5 2010, 05:04 PM) blue screen dude is ure mobo/cpu issue... Using Asus Rampage 2 fcukup mb.if ure using windows 7.. nothing will enter kernel to get bsod. so check ure other hardwares or ure hdd failing. |
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Oct 6 2010, 10:54 AM
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hmm most probably payload issue
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Oct 6 2010, 01:27 PM
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guys is this a good SSD? OCZ VERTEX 2 60GB.
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Oct 6 2010, 02:02 PM
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QUOTE(Boomeraangkid @ Oct 6 2010, 01:27 PM) guys is this a good SSD? OCZ VERTEX 2 60GB. Yup.Its often the ssd used as comparison for the new sandforce drives and crucial C300's |
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Oct 6 2010, 04:07 PM
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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Oct 6 2010, 02:02 PM) Yup. if you could choose between Intel X-25 40GB SSD or the OCZ, which one would you take?Its often the ssd used as comparison for the new sandforce drives and crucial C300's |
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Oct 6 2010, 04:24 PM
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Viewnet is selling Kingston SSDNow V Series 128GB (SNV425-S2/128GB) for RM 780 if you pay in cash.
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Oct 6 2010, 05:36 PM
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QUOTE(Boomeraangkid @ Oct 6 2010, 04:07 PM) if you could choose between Intel X-25 40GB SSD or the OCZ, which one would you take? definitely the oczure comparing a value series 40gb vs a mainline/performance series of ocz QUOTE(everling @ Oct 6 2010, 04:24 PM) Viewnet is selling Kingston SSDNow V Series 128GB (SNV425-S2/128GB) for RM 780 if you pay in cash. eh still a lousy value series |
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Oct 6 2010, 05:56 PM
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a SSD cant effect HDD write speed right? I cant use anything much with 40GB right
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Oct 6 2010, 07:00 PM
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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Oct 6 2010, 05:36 PM) eh still a lousy value series I don't know if it is this particular SSD I got, the batch or a quiet subpar release, but it doesn't perform as well as my previous one on random access. |
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Oct 7 2010, 10:20 AM
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QUOTE(Boomeraangkid @ Oct 6 2010, 05:56 PM) a SSD cant effect HDD write speed right? I cant use anything much with 40GB right nope. and nope. 80gb perhaps. when gen3 comes out, which hopefully adjusted to the price of current 40gb. |
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Oct 7 2010, 05:24 PM
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SandForce Unveils SF-2000 Series SSD Processors, Enabling Up to 500 MB/s over SATA 6G
SandForce Inc., the pioneer of SSD (Solid State Drive) Processors that enable standard NAND Flash deployment in enterprise, client, and industrial computing applications, today announced the availability of the SF-2000 Family of SSD Processors optimized for SSDs deployed in mission-critical Enterprise and Industrial computing applications. These chips feature a 6 Gigabit-per-second SATA host interface, industry applauded DuraClass Technology, an unprecedented 60,000 sustained random read/write IOPS (Input-output Operations Per Second) and sustained sequential read/write performance of 500 Megabytes per second. In addition to state-of-the-art performance, reliability, security, and Serial-Attached SCSI (SAS) connectivity enhancements, the SF-2000 family supports single-level, multi-level, and enterprise multi-level cell (SLC, MLC, & eMLC) NAND Flash families from all major suppliers with its high-speed ONFi2 and Toggle Flash interface. "The market for SSDs is poised to experience rapid growth over the next few years,” said Jeff Janukowicz, research manager for Solid State Drives at IDC. “Solutions, such as the SandForce SF-2000 Family of SSD Processors, that enable increased performance and higher reliability in a flexible design will enable SSD vendors to meet the demands of this fast paced market." The SF-2000 SSD Processor Family addresses the needs of Enterprise and Industrial storage markets with configurations and firmware optimized for each segment. These devices preserve the advantageous SandForce ”DRAM-less” architecture (no DRAM components required) which is optimal for dense and custom tiny form factor native SATA SSDs, in addition to SAS- and PCI Express-based SSDs when integrated with industry-leading RAID and Host-Bus Adapter chips on one card. Additionally, SF-2000 SSD Processors feature: * Support for advanced 30nm- and 20nm-class Flash with Asynch/ONFi2/Toggle interfaces with data rates up to 166 Mega Transfers per second * Enhanced dual-ported SAS bridge support, including non-512-byte sector sizes, e.g., 520, 524, 528, 4K, etc., with Data Integrity Field (DIF) for true Enterprise-class SAS drive behavior and performance * TCG Enterprise security with selectable multi-banded 256/128-bit AES encryption with line-rate double encryption for data written to the drive * Advanced ECC engine correcting up to 55 bits per 512-byte sector to assure high data integrity and support for future generations of Flash memory * Power and performance throttling options to support green computing initiatives * Industrial temperature support (-40 to +85 degrees Celsius) “Eighteen months ago, SandForce transformed the data storage industry by being the first company to demonstrate ground-breaking SSD Processor technology that enables MLC flash to be used reliably in enterprise-class SSD applications with world-class performance,” said Michael Raam, President and CEO for SandForce. “We are building on the success of our first generation product now in production with multiple Enterprise OEMs by introducing the SF-2000 family that offers significant feature and performance enhancements for our rapidly expanding customer base of trusted SandForce Driven Enterprise and Industrial SSD manufacturers.” Live SF-2000 Product Demonstrations At Storage Networking World! SandForce will demonstrate SF-2000 products at the Storage Networking World Exhibition, booth #413 (Gaylord Texan Hotel, Dallas, Texas, October 11-14). SandForce 2.5-inch SSD reference designs will be on display operating with 30nm-class Flash memory with both ONFi2 and Toggle interfaces. Other products on display in the SandForce booth include unique form factor products from various SandForce Driven SSD manufacturers with SATA, SAS, and PCI Express host interfaces. All SandForce SSD Processors include award-winning DuraClass Technology with features like RAISE to reduce field failures and returns, DuraWrite to optimize MLC endurance in write intensive applications, and a high sustained and balanced read/write performance.  
Sos : http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1429/1/ Sos: http://www.techpowerup.com/132368/SandForc...er-SATA-6G.html This post has been edited by jinaun: Oct 11 2010, 09:48 AM |
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Oct 7 2010, 10:46 PM
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QUOTE(everling @ Oct 6 2010, 04:24 PM) Viewnet is selling Kingston SSDNow V Series 128GB (SNV425-S2/128GB) for RM 780 if you pay in cash. Is this the cheapest one in MY? For a TRIM support SSD, It's quite worthy. |
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Oct 8 2010, 12:09 AM
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It is the cheapest on a RM/GB basis. But the one I got from Viewnet doesn't perform fully to my expectations.
Benchmarks from the Kingston SSD I bought in May.   I installed Windows XP (no OS TRIM support) and have been using it very roughly since then.   It sure held up pretty well with it's internal TRIM support. The new Kingston SSD of the same model bought this week. Installed Windows 7 on it.   A snapshot of the biggest difference between the old and the new:   I think the problem is the firmware. The versions reported are different. This post has been edited by everling: Oct 8 2010, 01:24 AM |
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Oct 8 2010, 03:11 AM
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the later results looks like abit slow in transfer rate.
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Oct 8 2010, 03:25 AM
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You mean the results for my first SSD after 5 months of wear and tear? That is normal for any SSD after they have been "used". But their performance probably will remain stable after that because of TRIM.
Older SSDs without TRIM support will continue to degrade in performance until they perform worse than HDDs. This is the reason why the older version of the Kingston SSDNow V Series 128GB should be boycotted, as it did not have TRIM support. Also, OSes without TRIM support (eg: Windows XP) should not be used with SSDs that do not have internal TRIM support, which the newer Kingston has. |
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Oct 8 2010, 03:35 AM
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QUOTE(everling @ Oct 8 2010, 03:25 AM) You mean the results for my first SSD after 5 months of wear and tear? That is normal for any SSD after they have been "used". But their performance probably will remain stable after that because of TRIM. wow, never expect that the ssd degrade so fast. Older SSDs without TRIM support will continue to degrade in performance until they perform worse than HDDs. This is the reason why the older version of the Kingston SSDNow V Series 128GB should be boycotted, as it did not have TRIM support. Also, OSes without TRIM support (eg: Windows XP) should not be used with SSDs that do not have internal TRIM support, which the newer Kingston has. merely a 5 months usage, already drop to near hdd performance. |
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Oct 8 2010, 03:56 AM
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how about SandForce driven SSD? compared to TRIM?
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Oct 8 2010, 04:14 AM
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QUOTE(saturn85 @ Oct 8 2010, 03:35 AM) wow, never expect that the ssd degrade so fast. It didn't. The first two screenshots were from May and the next two screenshots were of the same SSD today. In terms of sequential read, it only dropped 6MB/s. In terms of random access, it did also dropped but they're still far more superior to that of HDDs. merely a 5 months usage, already drop to near hdd performance. First SSD, fresh (May) and used (October): I expect that the performance of the SSD will maintain about the same as the second screenshot five more months from now, thanks to TRIM. Second SSD, fresh (October): Samsung F3 HD103SJ and Western Digital Caviar Green WD10EADS   As you can see, it will take a far more serious performance loss before modern SSDs will perform worse than HDDs. QUOTE how about SandForce driven SSD? compared to TRIM? SandForce SSDs still uses TRIM. SandForce's primary performance advantage comes from that they compress the data and use data deduplication (removing duplicate data) to reduce the number of read and writes significantly. This post has been edited by everling: Oct 8 2010, 04:15 AM |
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Oct 8 2010, 08:57 PM
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oops, sorry. i mean this result:
QUOTE(everling @ Oct 8 2010, 12:09 AM) The new Kingston SSD of the same model bought this week. Installed Windows 7 on it. the transfer rate looks like abit slow. |
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Oct 8 2010, 10:00 PM
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Intel's 3rd Generation X25-M SSD Specs Revealed
 *** i think this is disturbing.... for X25M-G2 the drive lifespan is only 15TB max?? assuming for 80GB SSD at 7.5TB writes, that is only abt 96 whole drive rewrites!, i dunno whether this is something to be concerned of or not..  sos : http://www.anandtech.com/show/3965/intels-...-specs-revealed This post has been edited by jinaun: Oct 8 2010, 10:14 PM |
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Oct 9 2010, 04:14 AM
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looks like didn't have much improve on transfer rate.
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Oct 9 2010, 05:16 PM
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QUOTE(Boomeraangkid @ Oct 6 2010, 04:07 PM) if you could choose between Intel X-25 40GB SSD or the OCZ, which one would you take? Definitely OCZ vertex 2 FTW. It smokes Intel 40GB. |
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Oct 9 2010, 05:42 PM
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Intel x25-e lifespan write 2PB AND 1.4PB nice i think good already
intel x25-m likespan write 30tb and 60tb not enough for me because i lot write so limited i doing usage gaming and software too so much write too and a lot install so i most choose intel x25-e right then intel x25-m |
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Oct 9 2010, 09:18 PM
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Intel x25-M lifespan too less.
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Oct 10 2010, 12:40 AM
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Well, clearly something is wrong or misleading with that spec, as there are a number of people whose Intel G1 and G2 SSDs have reported already exceeding that spec and not suffering any problems.
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Oct 10 2010, 01:29 AM
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QUOTE(-pWs- @ Oct 9 2010, 09:18 PM) Intel x25-M lifespan too less. yah so recommed intel x25-E right big lifespan we can alot install software and games right if a lot install software and games so be will eat write right -pWs- |
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Oct 10 2010, 08:26 AM
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eh, Intel X-25V 40GB got TRIM?
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Oct 10 2010, 04:48 PM
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I have a weird problem with my new Kingston SSD with my Windows 7 64-bit.
Sent it back to the shop for testing and it tested fine on an Intel platform. Took it back and reran the tests on HD Tune and the problem shows up. BUT, when I jiggled (moved) any application window about, the performance on both the normal benchmark and access time shoots up and stays up as long as I keep jiggling the window. Tried installing the latest AMD drivers for everything, 10.9 on graphics, South Bridge and AHCI and still no change (poor performance when idle and expected performance when a window is jiggling). The North Bridge Filter won't stay installed. Using CrystalDiskMark 3.0 and HD Tune's File Benchmark, I get the expected normal performance of over 200 MB/s read and 100 MB/s write. I am all confused now. |
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Oct 10 2010, 11:06 PM
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QUOTE(logit85 @ Oct 10 2010, 01:29 AM) yah so recommed intel x25-E right big lifespan we can alot install software and games right if a lot install software and games so be will eat write right Ya. Just wonder how true is the lifespan provided earlier. -pWs- |
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Oct 11 2010, 11:32 AM
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Why is there so much rumors about SandFOrce chip being unreliable and have higher failure rate? but dont seem to find any factual article about this.
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Oct 11 2010, 01:04 PM
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QUOTE(pergilahsayang @ Oct 11 2010, 11:32 AM) Why is there so much rumors about SandFOrce chip being unreliable and have higher failure rate? but dont seem to find any factual article about this. pls check corsair support forums.... in the verge of buying OCZ Vertex 2...but kinda worried http://forum.corsair.com/v3/forumdisplay.php?f=188 esp in here http://forum.corsair.com/v3/showthread.php?t=88341 i'm not sure whether its confined to corsair's drives only.. or it effects all sandforce based drives.. This post has been edited by jinaun: Oct 11 2010, 01:31 PM |
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Oct 12 2010, 10:43 AM
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I used to have the problem where my F60 cant be detect/keep rebooting itself. But no after i install Steam and some games into the SSD, it seems fine now.. lol..
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Oct 16 2010, 10:40 PM
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Guys,
Looking for comments on between the OCZ Vertex 2 and the Corsair F60 given that most shops in Low Yat are selling them at the same price. It would also seem that these 2 have very similar spec. So I am kinda wondering if it now boils down to who can get the firmware right for trouble free install and post sales support. Any help in suggesting. Thank in advance... |
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Oct 17 2010, 09:16 AM
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Corsair F60 i'm using now is fast and good.. but when the first time i use it, it keep coming out BSOD.. but after i install some games and software it seems to work fine now.. waiting for new firmware to be released.
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Oct 17 2010, 09:50 AM
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Intel SSD X25-M G2 160GB
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Oct 17 2010, 11:16 AM
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hdd manufacturer x der buat ssd ker??? ke x hebat??
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Oct 17 2010, 01:19 PM
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QUOTE(CHIP CN @ Oct 17 2010, 11:16 AM) hdd manufacturer x der buat ssd ker??? ke x hebat?? Seagate made a Hybrid SSD o.. Momentus XT and Pulsar series.. |
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Oct 17 2010, 03:52 PM
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in years, how long is the lifespan of an SSD?
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Oct 17 2010, 07:34 PM
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QUOTE(hnr2802 @ Oct 17 2010, 03:52 PM) in years, how long is the lifespan of an SSD? the manufacturer gives 3 years warranty.. so you should expect at least 3 years lifespan.. butand iirc patriot gives 10 years on its drives... so typical life should be somewhere between there 10 and 3 years... (just speculation) but since ssd is quite young in the market... its still hard to say |
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Oct 18 2010, 12:30 AM
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QUOTE(jinaun @ Oct 17 2010, 07:34 PM) the manufacturer gives 3 years warranty.. so you should expect at least 3 years lifespan.. but imo 3 years is ok. and iirc patriot gives 10 years on its drives... so typical life should be somewhere between there 10 and 3 years... (just speculation) but since ssd is quite young in the market... its still hard to say 1 more thing, i search google but cant find any info regarding ssd price trends. like u said ssd is quite young in the market. but i dont want to wait 5 years until ssd is dirt cheap, before i can buy ths thing. so i wanna know whether the ssd price will drop significantly early next year or not. |
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Oct 18 2010, 12:41 AM
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QUOTE(CHIP CN @ Oct 17 2010, 11:16 AM) hdd manufacturer x der buat ssd ker??? ke x hebat?? WD have WD SiliconEdge Blue SSD. This post has been edited by saturn85: Oct 18 2010, 12:42 AM |
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QUOTE(hnr2802 @ Oct 18 2010, 12:30 AM) imo 3 years is ok. There is no "waiting game" in PC hardware's technology1 more thing, i search google but cant find any info regarding ssd price trends. like u said ssd is quite young in the market. but i dont want to wait 5 years until ssd is dirt cheap, before i can buy ths thing. so i wanna know whether the ssd price will drop significantly early next year or not. You wait price drop, some new tech unveiled, you are left behind |
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Oct 18 2010, 02:46 AM
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QUOTE(hnr2802 @ Oct 18 2010, 12:30 AM) imo 3 years is ok. SSDs should be guided by Moore's curves as it is based on transistor technology. Expect it to double in capacity at the same price point every 18 months. An alternative interpretation is for the same capacity to reduce in price by 50% every 18 months.1 more thing, i search google but cant find any info regarding ssd price trends. like u said ssd is quite young in the market. but i dont want to wait 5 years until ssd is dirt cheap, before i can buy ths thing. so i wanna know whether the ssd price will drop significantly early next year or not. The current expectation for a 50% price drop is within this three or six months. Depending on when Intel finally releases their 3rd generation SSDs. Unfortunately, Intel's offerings will not be as fast as those based on SandForce's (a competitor) SSD controllers used in SSDs like OCZ's SSDs. But Intel's offerings will still be a huge improvement on HDDs and they will be much cheaper than their competitors. QUOTE(saturn85 @ Oct 18 2010, 12:41 AM) WD have WD SiliconEdge Blue SSD. From a review I read on them, they were rather overpriced and its performance leaves much to be desired. |
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Oct 18 2010, 11:57 AM
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in 5 years, a new tech will be out to replace ssd, with faster speed and reliability. and drastic drop will not be possible, but each month it drops a few cents maybe. so its ok to say it will drop in 5 years to match the current hdd price.
but it will never catch up, coz hdd will feature 5tb and above, while ssd will not, at the same price. at least until the density of hdd is reaching its limit and prices goes up. |
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Oct 18 2010, 12:33 PM
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Do you have any new technology in mind?
Because HDDs was the main storage technology for well over two decades. It is only in the last few years that we saw the introduction of SSDs as a serious alternative main storage technology. And it took well over a decade to get Flash technology from thumbdrives into SSDs. As far as I know, we don't have yet another serious alternative storage method out in the market in some manner at this time. Because of this, I doubt that we would see yet another serious main storage technology to appear by 2016. And even if it did, I doubt that it would be affordable to the masses, like SSDs are now, by 2016. |
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Oct 18 2010, 04:27 PM
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QUOTE(everling @ Oct 18 2010, 02:46 AM) From a review I read on them, they were rather overpriced and its performance leaves much to be desired. yea, it not as good as intel and crucial ssd. |
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Oct 19 2010, 09:29 AM
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QUOTE(everling @ Oct 18 2010, 12:33 PM) Do you have any new technology in mind? perhaps you are right, it will take very long to replace ssd. but maybe i meant tech that adds speed and reliability on ssd, which is new controller tech which bring reliability and speed, more so than a hdd that only increase the rpm and nothing else.Because HDDs was the main storage technology for well over two decades. It is only in the last few years that we saw the introduction of SSDs as a serious alternative main storage technology. And it took well over a decade to get Flash technology from thumbdrives into SSDs. As far as I know, we don't have yet another serious alternative storage method out in the market in some manner at this time. Because of this, I doubt that we would see yet another serious main storage technology to appear by 2016. And even if it did, I doubt that it would be affordable to the masses, like SSDs are now, by 2016. |
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Oct 19 2010, 01:56 PM
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QUOTE(hnr2802 @ Oct 18 2010, 12:30 AM) imo 3 years is ok. the price now is quite reasonable i would say. i think the price will drop.1 more thing, i search google but cant find any info regarding ssd price trends. like u said ssd is quite young in the market. but i dont want to wait 5 years until ssd is dirt cheap, before i can buy ths thing. so i wanna know whether the ssd price will drop significantly early next year or not. |
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Oct 20 2010, 02:54 AM
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waiting for new intel ssd 80gb for rm600 new~~~haha~possible?
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Oct 20 2010, 01:44 PM
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guys i heard that write speeds in ssd dont matter much is it true?
it only matters when u install applications and copy/paste files within the ssd only? i want to know are these true or not? my main usage is browsing the web with lets say 20 to 30 tabs open with 5 to 10 of them running youtube in background and extracting rar files which are from 500 mb to 5 gb? And game loading so for my usage a ssd with faster read times will it be ok? or do i need faster write times as well? |
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Oct 20 2010, 02:49 PM
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Write speed is as important as in extracting files, installing application, anything that require saving/writing to the disk space.
For most gamer, write is not as important, it reads most of time, seldom writes unless it saves game. But people use SSD not because of their speed, it's because of their 1ms or less access time. |
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Oct 20 2010, 06:36 PM
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so for my website browsing its not important
but for extracting rar files it s needed |
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Oct 20 2010, 09:08 PM
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QUOTE(Riddhy @ Oct 20 2010, 06:36 PM) so for my website browsing its not important so frequently to extract rar files? but for extracting rar files it s needed |
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Oct 20 2010, 09:48 PM
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yup
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Oct 20 2010, 10:12 PM
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QUOTE(Riddhy @ Oct 20 2010, 09:48 PM) yup then a good performance ssd really save a lot of your time. |
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Oct 20 2010, 11:07 PM
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Paying hundreds of ringgit extra just to extract from rar files doesn't really sound cost effective. Besides, if those rar files are mostly video or ISO images, access times is not a main issue as it should be mostly sequential read and write.
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Oct 21 2010, 09:40 AM
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balance performance is stil better. if you have sata3 port then its diff, which you could get the crucial, but again more balanced will be current sf drive with sata2, more than enough .. for now ..
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Oct 21 2010, 09:04 PM
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i wonder how much different of pcie ssd vs sata ssd in windows booting time?
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Oct 22 2010, 03:51 PM
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Guys, a question here, just got some bucks to spend on ssd lol
Which one is better compare the 500gb Seagate Momentus XT with 80gb/120gb intel ssd? We can avoid the price and storage talk here. Just mainly for the performance as I used to open multiple apps and games simultaneously all the time. If in term of performance, can see any difference in games? Which is better if I want a continuous write and read drive? I used to transfer a lot of files and accept bigger files 24/7 a day and I keep my PC running for whole month without shut it down. Can this drive last long with it? |
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Oct 22 2010, 04:53 PM
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i think ssd still superior than the hybrid hdd.
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Oct 22 2010, 05:00 PM
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QUOTE(S E K A I @ Oct 22 2010, 03:51 PM) Guys, a question here, just got some bucks to spend on ssd lol SSD MTBF is quite low compare to HDD, especially the write, but few millions times should be sufficient for normal user, but if you're mainly for 24/7 file-server, I would strongly suggest normal HDD, and especially those eco-green model which not only provide enough speed, but save power and less heat. Which one is better compare the 500gb Seagate Momentus XT with 80gb/120gb intel ssd? We can avoid the price and storage talk here. Just mainly for the performance as I used to open multiple apps and games simultaneously all the time. If in term of performance, can see any difference in games? Which is better if I want a continuous write and read drive? I used to transfer a lot of files and accept bigger files 24/7 a day and I keep my PC running for whole month without shut it down. Can this drive last long with it? If you want performance, then SSD, for the sake of access time, especially I/O intensive programs, I don't see games has much improvement except for slightly faster loading time. But Windows 7 will benefit from it very much, not only boot faster, but starts programs fast as well, plus it can load up to few hundred programs at once without breaking sweat (provided the speed is fast as well). Conclusion, if you're gamer alone, you won't feel much different when you're in-game, except for faster loading speed, Windows 7 will load faster, no defrag require, pretty much all. However if you're workstation user that uses Photoshop, Autodesk programs, etc lots, then you'll feel the different in using these SSD. Be an efficient consumer, well unless you have those $$ to spend, then no problem at all. Edit: For you case, you can consider 80GB for your Windows 7 and Games, a 30~40GB for Windows and other for Games, and buy another 2TB or 3TB eco green model hard disk for the files transfer, the hard disk should provide enough speed for your 24/7 file server, 1Gbps network speed has no yet break the hard disk speed yet (IMO). This post has been edited by wildwestgoh: Oct 22 2010, 05:05 PM |
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QUOTE(chenhui87 @ Oct 20 2010, 02:54 AM) waiting for new intel ssd 80gb for rm600 new~~~haha~possible? Possible in near futureQUOTE(saturn85 @ Oct 22 2010, 04:53 PM) i think ssd still superior than the hybrid hdd. Hybrid hdd still wins in terms of price and capacity for laptop use.At least it won't burned a deep pocket. A 256GB ssd is still not pocket friendly at least. So now say, 120GB ssd is not sufficient for laptop with normal data storage. While 120GB would be more than sufficient for desktop usage with only the system files, other data are stored in other HDDs in desktop with xxTBs of capacities. For storage -> hdd wins For speed -> ssd wins For reliability -> ssd wins So it would depends on individual usage pattern. |
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Oct 22 2010, 08:27 PM
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Intel X25-M 160GB Gen2 X2 Raid0
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Oct 23 2010, 04:19 AM
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ronal owikh plz help me out bros i am really looking for 60 gb sf1222 ssd withing 450 to 480
120gb at 850 is really a good price but dont have that much cash even a used one will do for ssd price watch czone have mushkin callisto deluxe at 559 for 60gb |
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Oct 23 2010, 09:01 AM
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QUOTE(Riddhy @ Oct 23 2010, 04:19 AM) ronal owikh plz help me out bros i am really looking for 60 gb sf1222 ssd withing 450 to 480 Try PM StratOS 120gb at 850 is really a good price but dont have that much cash even a used one will do for ssd price watch czone have mushkin callisto deluxe at 559 for 60gb Serious buyer only k. |
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how come i feel the SSD selling in malaysia all overpriced.
last month went to hk, saw 32GB SSD only HKD699 = RM280, here RM380. and 40gb selling at HKD900++ =RM360++ only. there SSD is famous.. all shops selling and keep stock alot. here very rare to see in IT mall. This post has been edited by zhen^wei: Oct 24 2010, 10:16 PM |
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Oct 24 2010, 10:29 PM
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QUOTE(zhen^wei @ Oct 24 2010, 10:13 PM) how come i feel the SSD selling in malaysia all overpriced. the trend really different here. last month went to hk, saw 32GB SSD only HKD699 = RM280, here RM380. and 40gb selling at HKD900++ =RM360++ only. there SSD is famous.. all shops selling and keep stock alot. here very rare to see in IT mall. how long to go on ssd become mainstream here. |
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Oct 25 2010, 01:40 AM
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zhen^wei you bring some dealers from hk i paid one for vertex 2 60gb
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Oct 25 2010, 02:54 PM
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QUOTE(zhen^wei @ Oct 24 2010, 10:13 PM) how come i feel the SSD selling in malaysia all overpriced. RM9/GB is only a little cheaper than here. At least when you're looking at most SSDs. But if you just want an SSD, we have much cheaper options, than what you have seen, like Kingston's cheaper series.last month went to hk, saw 32GB SSD only HKD699 = RM280, here RM380. and 40gb selling at HKD900++ =RM360++ only. there SSD is famous.. all shops selling and keep stock alot. here very rare to see in IT mall. This post has been edited by everling: Oct 25 2010, 02:57 PM |
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Oct 25 2010, 03:01 PM
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Could be small bulk qty brought in by local distros.
Due to low demand by consumer. Not all consumers know what is SSD, coz it's not cheap nobody willing to buy & try it. HDD prices also becomes cheaper & cheaper with bigger capacity nowadays. Only price drop will attract buyers this SSD, until usb3 rilly becomes mainstream then only buyers will buy older technology at cheaper price. |
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Oct 25 2010, 05:10 PM
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true.some pic i took from HK.
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Oct 25 2010, 05:17 PM
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wow, the ocz revo drive available there.
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Oct 25 2010, 06:08 PM
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wow, selling like flee market.
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Oct 25 2010, 07:32 PM
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QUOTE(Riddhy @ Oct 23 2010, 04:19 AM) ronal owikh plz help me out bros i am really looking for 60 gb sf1222 ssd withing 450 to 480 Bro Riddy, I thought you already got yours.120gb at 850 is really a good price but dont have that much cash even a used one will do for ssd price watch czone have mushkin callisto deluxe at 559 for 60gb QUOTE(saturn85 @ Oct 25 2010, 05:17 PM) wow, the ocz revo drive available there. Revo drive can be brought in on special order. wonder malaysia market got this item or not? |
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Oct 26 2010, 03:02 AM
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QUOTE(ronaldjoe @ Oct 25 2010, 07:32 PM) Revo drive can be brought in on special order. wow, special order means have to pay extra charge also? |
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Oct 26 2010, 09:46 AM
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A bit confused with all the SSD technologies out there. Probably the gurus here could help me. I'm not into the speed, as long as it works as fast as the normal HDD, should be enough. My requirement is .. I need a reliable HDD/SSD which could stand being in the car. I've replaced one WD notebook HDD before and I'm on the second one which is Hitachi 7200rpm notebook HDD. It giving the same symptom as before my WD died, whenever I do cornering whatever I'm playing strutter and having problem during boot/waking up from hibernate. I do have a program which is writing to the HD every 15 minutes or so to record video from my onboard webcam in the car. Main function will be to play audio/video, navigation.
Now from the above, is the cheap Kingston V enough for me or should I go to the GEN2 of SSD (Kingston V+, Intel or that OCZ Vertex2 variation) is the one to go? Don't have much budget for this though. Thanks for any input. |
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QUOTE(wiraone @ Oct 26 2010, 09:46 AM) A bit confused with all the SSD technologies out there. Probably the gurus here could help me. I'm not into the speed, as long as it works as fast as the normal HDD, should be enough. My requirement is .. I need a reliable HDD/SSD which could stand being in the car. I've replaced one WD notebook HDD before and I'm on the second one which is Hitachi 7200rpm notebook HDD. It giving the same symptom as before my WD died, whenever I do cornering whatever I'm playing strutter and having problem during boot/waking up from hibernate. I do have a program which is writing to the HD every 15 minutes or so to record video from my onboard webcam in the car. Main function will be to play audio/video, navigation. I think your solution is quite easy, anything flash memory will do (no magnetic spinning drive), if you think your space is a concern, you should invest on bigger space SSD, recording video is taking quite lots of space after all.Now from the above, is the cheap Kingston V enough for me or should I go to the GEN2 of SSD (Kingston V+, Intel or that OCZ Vertex2 variation) is the one to go? Don't have much budget for this though. Thanks for any input. |
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Oct 26 2010, 10:53 AM
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If you would be happy with an SSD performing just a little better than a HDD, then any decent SSD will do as they will all easily outperform the Velociraptor. Since RM/GB is a main concern, you should consider Kingston's V Series 128GB (product no: SNV425-S2/128GB). I bought one from Viewnet in cash for RM780, otherwise it was supposed to be RM799 then.
For reference, here's a simple price analysis, but it is two months old and didn't list Viewnet. |
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Oct 26 2010, 11:11 AM
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Thanks both of you .. and thanks everling for the price analysis, very helpful indeed. One last thing, do I need to worry about that TRIM thingy if I set the SSD as the only storage for my carpc? Ronaldjoe has the 64GB for RM360 and it seems so tempting .. is there any differences between the 64GB and 128GB other than the capacity? the link given by everling seems to suggest that they're on different controller (or probably enhanced one?). Haha.. now me seems to be picky .. but if the Kingston V 64GB should be fine, I'll go for it..
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QUOTE(saturn85 @ Oct 26 2010, 03:02 AM) wow, special order means have to pay extra charge also? Means the price is still cheaper than the price you see in the pic. Warranty direct to OCZ usa. This post has been edited by ronaldjoe: Oct 26 2010, 01:10 PM |
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QUOTE(wiraone @ Oct 26 2010, 09:46 AM) A bit confused with all the SSD technologies out there. Probably the gurus here could help me. I'm not into the speed, as long as it works as fast as the normal HDD, should be enough. My requirement is .. I need a reliable HDD/SSD which could stand being in the car. I've replaced one WD notebook HDD before and I'm on the second one which is Hitachi 7200rpm notebook HDD. It giving the same symptom as before my WD died, whenever I do cornering whatever I'm playing strutter and having problem during boot/waking up from hibernate. I do have a program which is writing to the HD every 15 minutes or so to record video from my onboard webcam in the car. Main function will be to play audio/video, navigation. hdd tends to fail if working in a moving environment. Now from the above, is the cheap Kingston V enough for me or should I go to the GEN2 of SSD (Kingston V+, Intel or that OCZ Vertex2 variation) is the one to go? Don't have much budget for this though. Thanks for any input. QUOTE(ronaldjoe @ Oct 26 2010, 01:09 PM) Means the price is still cheaper than the price you see in the pic. wow, i see i see. Warranty direct to OCZ usa. |
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Oct 27 2010, 06:21 AM
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yeah i missed pos laju will pick it up today tell me what settings to change in windows 7 and bios
by the way new egg is selling ocz vertex 2 240gb at usd 399 after 20 usd mail in rebate which like rm 1300 here it costs rm 2199 to 2499!!! why dont the distros here update price every week like US distro they change it every 3 to 4 months |
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QUOTE(everling @ Oct 26 2010, 10:53 AM) If you would be happy with an SSD performing just a little better than a HDD, then any decent SSD will do as they will all easily outperform the Velociraptor. Since RM/GB is a main concern, you should consider Kingston's V Series 128GB (product no: SNV425-S2/128GB). I bought one from Viewnet in cash for RM780, otherwise it was supposed to be RM799 then. For reference, here's a simple price analysis, but it is two months old and didn't list Viewnet. QUOTE(wiraone @ Oct 26 2010, 11:11 AM) Thanks both of you .. and thanks everling for the price analysis, very helpful indeed. One last thing, do I need to worry about that TRIM thingy if I set the SSD as the only storage for my carpc? Ronaldjoe has the 64GB for RM360 and it seems so tempting .. is there any differences between the 64GB and 128GB other than the capacity? the link given by everling seems to suggest that they're on different controller (or probably enhanced one?). Haha.. now me seems to be picky .. but if the Kingston V 64GB should be fine, I'll go for it.. Added on October 26, 2010, 11:55 amUpdate: Booked the 64GB KingstonV already .. QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Oct 6 2010, 05:36 PM) eh still a lousy value series |
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Price Update from OCZ
OCZ Vertex 2 EX OCZSSD2-2VTX40G = RM470 OCZSSD2-2VTXE60G = RM620 OCZSSD2-2VTXE90G = RM840 OCZSSD2-2VTXE120G = RM960 OCZSSD2-2VTXE180G = RM1700 OCZSSD2-2VTXE240G = RM1950 http://www.ocztechnology.com/res/manuals/O...oduct_sheet.pdf http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/soli...i-2-5--ssd.html OCZ ONYX OCZSSD2-10NX32G = RM300 OCZSSD2-10NX64G = RM480 http://www.ocztechnology.com/res/manuals/O...oduct_sheet.pdf This post has been edited by marcus20125: Oct 27 2010, 11:03 PM |
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QUOTE(marcus20125 @ Oct 27 2010, 11:23 AM) Price Update from OCZ pls note that the *VTXE* model numbers is not vertex 2 EX seriesOCZ Vertex 2 EX OCZSSD2-2VTX40G = RM470 OCZSSD2-2VTXE60G = RM620 OCZSSD2-2VTXE90G = RM840 OCZSSD2-2VTXE120G = RM960 OCZSSD2-2VTXE180G = RM1700 OCZSSD2-2VTXE240G = RM1950 OCZ ONYX OCZSSD2-10NX32G = RM300 OCZSSD2-10NX64G = RM480 *VTXEX* is the model numbers for Vertex 2 EX series and your prices for the Vertex 2 is abit higher than the retail This post has been edited by jinaun: Oct 27 2010, 05:46 PM |
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I've had the x25-m for 2 weeks now, installed into my laptop...I have to say, it's the best upgrade that I've done so far...
earlier i've had doubts, with regards to the reliability, trim/ahci activation, etc etc...in the 1st week, but after that, it's like normal....and the speed actually compensates all the doubts on ssds that I had earlier.... This post has been edited by ravewar: Oct 27 2010, 05:16 PM |
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QUOTE(jinaun @ Oct 27 2010, 02:31 PM) pls note that the *VTXE* model numbers is not vertex 2 EX series yalor, also notice this in garage sales some sellers advertise em as Vertex2 EX. *VTXEX* is the model numbers for Vertex 2 EX series and your prices for the Vertex 2 is abit higher than the retail Something wrong at distro's catalogue QUOTE(ravewar @ Oct 27 2010, 05:15 PM) I've had the x25-m for 2 weeks now, installed into my laptop...I have to say, it's the best upgrade that I've done so far... u wont go wrong with Intel SSD earlier i've had doubts, with regards to the reliability, trim/ahci activation, etc etc...in the 1st week, but after that, it's like normal....and the speed actually compensates all the doubts on ssds that I had earlier.... |
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Oct 27 2010, 06:59 PM
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tmr i will install vertex 2 60 gb in my laptop any tips?
what do u guys think after 1 yr will 480 gb ssds cost become 200 to 250 usd? |
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QUOTE(Riddhy @ Oct 27 2010, 06:59 PM) tmr i will install vertex 2 60 gb in my laptop any tips? it will come downwhat do u guys think after 1 yr will 480 gb ssds cost become 200 to 250 usd? but difficult to predict exactly.. but according to moore's law... semicon prices should be 50% cheaper every 18 months This post has been edited by jinaun: Oct 27 2010, 09:46 PM |
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QUOTE(jinaun @ Oct 27 2010, 02:31 PM) pls note that the *VTXE* model numbers is not vertex 2 EX series sorry as i not familiar with SSD*VTXEX* is the model numbers for Vertex 2 EX series and your prices for the Vertex 2 is abit higher than the retail http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/soli...i-2-5--ssd.html but according to this page,the part number does exist http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/soli...-2-5--ssd-.html btw,what is the different between this two,some one do clarify it |
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QUOTE(Riddhy @ Oct 27 2010, 06:59 PM) tmr i will install vertex 2 60 gb in my laptop any tips? Copied from my thread:what do u guys think after 1 yr will 480 gb ssds cost become 200 to 250 usd? How to set up AHCI: » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « How to check TRIM in Windows 7: » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Added on: Use Acronis True Image to clone: http://www.acronis.co.uk/promo/ATIH2011/AT...CFUJB6wodcXb-iQ You don't need to install anything. Everything would be the same as your previous drive. This post has been edited by ronaldjoe: Oct 27 2010, 11:25 PM |
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QUOTE(marcus20125 @ Oct 27 2010, 11:07 PM) sorry as i not familiar with SSD Vertex2 EX - SLChttp://www.ocztechnology.com/products/soli...i-2-5--ssd.html but according to this page,the part number does exist http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/soli...-2-5--ssd-.html btw,what is the different between this two,some one do clarify it Vertex2 - MLC Source SLC vs MLC This post has been edited by owikh84: Oct 27 2010, 11:25 PM |
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Oct 27 2010, 11:51 PM
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480 currently is usd 1150 so after 18 months usd 575 darn it
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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Oct 27 2010, 06:42 AM) [bunch of quotes that lyn won't pyramid for] Lousy is relative.In my experience, building a huge application from source code on a Samsung F3 1TB took me six plus hours. Then I later got another Kingston SSD and then move the build process into there. The new build time on the otherwise same machine? Three plus hours. And then later I got a brand new i5 laptop and moved the same Kingston SSD onto it to do the same job. The time taken? Two plus hours. What this means is that I got a much bigger performance improvement from a "lousy value series" than I would have putting down money to upgrade my Phenom II X3 for an i5. On a cost/GB ratio and for the capacity given, while being a "lousy value series", it still has significant value for people upgrading from HDDs. |
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QUOTE(everling @ Oct 28 2010, 06:21 PM) Lousy is relative. I would say that I'm totally agree with you on this one. As per my requirement, I don't really want a speedy SSD, what I want is a replacement storage for my carpc. 64GB is I believe good enough since from the 320GB HD that I've right now, only 20GB is used up and the reason why I wanted an SSD is because I've previously had HDD failed on me and the current one showing the same symptom. With no-moving part in SSD, it will surely helps me a lot... On a cost/GB ratio and for the capacity given, while being a "lousy value series", it still has significant value for people upgrading from HDDs. |
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Oct 28 2010, 10:53 PM
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hey guys i m currently using ocz vertex 2 60 gb as a boot and 2+yr old western digital scorpio 320gb as a storage drive in my laptop.
Boot time is longer after i installed the ssd why is that? also i did a clean install of windows by dvd drive installation took around 25~30 mins?? i am running in ahci modei enabled in bios my chipset is pm965 it supports sata 2 so why am i not seeing any gain? do i need to update any firmware? |
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QUOTE(Riddhy @ Oct 28 2010, 10:53 PM) hey guys i m currently using ocz vertex 2 60 gb as a boot and 2+yr old western digital scorpio 320gb as a storage drive in my laptop. With SSD, win7 installation should be 10+ min.Boot time is longer after i installed the ssd why is that? also i did a clean install of windows by dvd drive installation took around 25~30 mins?? i am running in ahci modei enabled in bios my chipset is pm965 it supports sata 2 so why am i not seeing any gain? do i need to update any firmware? Please check your ssd firmware, latest is 1.11 ver. What AHCI driver did you use? Some is crappy. Added on October 29, 2010, 6:04 am QUOTE(wiraone @ Oct 28 2010, 08:08 PM) I would say that I'm totally agree with you on this one. As per my requirement, I don't really want a speedy SSD, what I want is a replacement storage for my carpc. 64GB is I believe good enough since from the 320GB HD that I've right now, only 20GB is used up and the reason why I wanted an SSD is because I've previously had HDD failed on me and the current one showing the same symptom. With no-moving part in SSD, it will surely helps me a lot. +1Same case applies to me. My HTPC failed 3 times in a year bcoz of crappy hdds from Seagate. I just need peace of mind. Added on October 29, 2010, 6:09 am QUOTE(Casval_Hyakushiki @ Aug 23 2010, 02:10 PM) Video that I found on YouTube shows the comparison of Windows 7 start-up time with boot drive using the SSD and HDD.. I just saw this. This video is quite entertaining. LOLzI've been thinking about replacing the HDD boot drive on my PC with SSD.. But SSD's price is quite expensive, makes me have to think again.. Ouch.. This post has been edited by ronaldjoe: Oct 29 2010, 06:09 AM |
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my firmware 1.11 but ocz vertex 2 current firmware is 1.23
what do u mean which ahci driver i used? i eanabled ahci in the bios only win 7 installation from dvd disc will also take 10 mins? plz hlp |
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QUOTE(ronaldjoe @ Oct 27 2010, 11:22 PM) Copied from my thread: what purpose to do this ?How to set up AHCI: » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « How to check TRIM in Windows 7: » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Added on: Use Acronis True Image to clone: http://www.acronis.co.uk/promo/ATIH2011/AT...CFUJB6wodcXb-iQ You don't need to install anything. Everything would be the same as your previous drive. |
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QUOTE(zhen^wei @ Oct 30 2010, 10:15 AM) what purpose to do this ? To optimised the performance I guess .. I'm new to SSD (haven't got mine either). A bit of googling will reveal this actually..Gee.. looking at Garage Sales, you're selling SSD too.. hmm.. you're confusing me now.. This post has been edited by wiraone: Oct 30 2010, 09:34 PM |
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QUOTE(Riddhy @ Oct 29 2010, 08:24 AM) my firmware 1.11 but ocz vertex 2 current firmware is 1.23 You can use RST 9.6.0.1014 or Native MS Ddriver for the flash & go back up to 10.0.0.1046 after the flash if you wish.what do u mean which ahci driver i used? i eanabled ahci in the bios only win 7 installation from dvd disc will also take 10 mins? plz hlp |
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QUOTE(zhen^wei @ Oct 30 2010, 10:15 AM) what purpose to do this ? Without running AHCI, TRIM would not be working.SSD would slow down over a period of time. Added on October 30, 2010, 11:26 pm QUOTE(Riddhy @ Oct 29 2010, 08:24 AM) my firmware 1.11 but ocz vertex 2 current firmware is 1.23 Is you dvd drive slow you down?what do u mean which ahci driver i used? i eanabled ahci in the bios only win 7 installation from dvd disc will also take 10 mins? plz hlp Depending on your controller on the mobo chipset, there are different version of sata/AHCI driver What mobo are you using? AMD or Intel? QUOTE(saturn85 @ Oct 29 2010, 09:22 AM) Gila speed fr OCZThis post has been edited by ronaldjoe: Oct 31 2010, 12:25 AM |
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QUOTE(ronaldjoe @ Oct 30 2010, 11:23 PM) Gila speed fr OCZ haha, imagine using this item to boot windows. |
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Have a question here. Between the Corsair Force SSD and Intel X25 gen-2 SSD, which is more value for money? Planning to get a ssd to boost my pc's performance, please give some advice. Tq.
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Oct 31 2010, 10:28 AM
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Elite
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QUOTE(@udio_jr @ Oct 31 2010, 09:53 AM) Have a question here. Between the Corsair Force SSD and Intel X25 gen-2 SSD, which is more value for money? Planning to get a ssd to boost my pc's performance, please give some advice. Tq. corsair force series may have some random problems/complains from what i can see from corsair's forums and also computer shops i'm using intel x25m and so far no problems for me yet.. and its almost a year liao IIRC |
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Oct 31 2010, 11:28 AM
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QUOTE(@udio_jr @ Oct 31 2010, 09:53 AM) Have a question here. Between the Corsair Force SSD and Intel X25 gen-2 SSD, which is more value for money? Planning to get a ssd to boost my pc's performance, please give some advice. Tq. currently in the Garage Sale, there're afew forummers  , selling the intel x25 G2 160gb at very attractive prices ...I got mine frm one of the guys here...the price per gig is approx rm5.30-ish....which i think is value for money... This post has been edited by ravewar: Oct 31 2010, 11:34 AM |
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Oct 31 2010, 12:13 PM
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Elite
8,711 posts Joined: Nov 2007 From: Butterworth, PG / Machang, Kelantan
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QUOTE(@udio_jr @ Oct 31 2010, 09:53 AM) Have a question here. Between the Corsair Force SSD and Intel X25 gen-2 SSD, which is more value for money? Planning to get a ssd to boost my pc's performance, please give some advice. Tq. Corsair is faster, but still buggy.Intel X25-Ms work perfectly & still kicking in my rig. RM850 for 160GB is cheap & sold like pisang goreng raid0 doubles the performance |
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Oct 31 2010, 02:38 PM
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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Oct 31 2010, 12:13 PM) Corsair is faster, but still buggy. Bro, does TRIM support RAIDOIntel X25-Ms work perfectly & still kicking in my rig. RM850 for 160GB is cheap & sold like pisang goreng raid0 doubles the performance |
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Oct 31 2010, 04:17 PM
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Elite
8,711 posts Joined: Nov 2007 From: Butterworth, PG / Machang, Kelantan
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QUOTE(Dickong @ Oct 31 2010, 02:38 PM) Bro, does TRIM support RAIDO No, TRIM is removed once any RAID Configuration is installed More infos |
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Oct 31 2010, 11:48 PM
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bought a 40gb ssd intel today, may raid 0 when got $$$
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Nov 3 2010, 12:38 AM
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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Oct 31 2010, 12:13 PM) Corsair is faster, but still buggy. My bro bought 1 from u.Intel X25-Ms work perfectly & still kicking in my rig. RM850 for 160GB is cheap & sold like pisang goreng raid0 doubles the performance Making me wanna puke. So tempting |
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Nov 3 2010, 08:24 AM
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QUOTE(chenhui87 @ Oct 31 2010, 11:48 PM) bought a 40gb ssd intel today, may raid 0 when got $$$ can share the experience of using 40gb ssd intel?quite tempting to get 1 as the price has drop a lot... |
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Nov 3 2010, 05:17 PM
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Elite
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bought a Vertex2 for my MBP
noticed that the firmware upgrade size is abt 90MB... i was beginning to wonder the SSD processor itself is a computer which handles flash management and RW requests from the host OS via some linux/vxworks/uOS eg.. something like dd-wrt on artheros 9k series NPU thats y its called ssd processor not ssd controller This post has been edited by jinaun: Nov 15 2010, 10:17 AM |
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Nov 8 2010, 11:51 AM
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1,040 posts Joined: Oct 2004 From: the other side
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Hi guys,
Just wanna post this new benchmark for Crucial RealSSD C300 64GB. I just purchase it from a bulk. Current price is RM600 but I bought it for RM570.  What do you guys think about its performance? It's actually SATA 3 but I only have SATA 2 computer. |
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Nov 8 2010, 02:53 PM
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14,242 posts Joined: Jul 2007 From: JAVABUS
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Planning to go 1 more SSD for my desktop.
Laptop use SSD Desktop use HDD, too unfair to my desktop I have budget that is up to X25-M 80GB, which im using now. But I wud like to try new world. Raid 0 X25-V 40GB ? Or Single OEM 160GB X25-MG2 ? Intel brand. Any other brand that is good ? I need some advices. |
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Nov 8 2010, 03:04 PM
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478 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Seremban/ Kuching
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i'm currently using am2 board (asus m2n-e) which i think is only using sata 1.5gbps and my OS is window 7 64bit..
my questions are: 1. does my mobo support SSD? is SSD backward compatible? 2. if it does, does the older sata makes the SSD lost its performance significantly? thanks This post has been edited by awang: Nov 8 2010, 03:08 PM |
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Nov 8 2010, 03:56 PM
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QUOTE(awang @ Nov 8 2010, 03:04 PM) i'm currently using am2 board (asus m2n-e) which i think is only using sata 1.5gbps and my OS is window 7 64bit.. SATA1 = 150MB/s max theoretically so you'll see significant drop in read, while Intel's write still within the margin, sandforce types will see drops as well, huge bottleneck and waste of $$ so it's recommend with much newer system to fully utilize SSD technology.my questions are: 1. does my mobo support SSD? is SSD backward compatible? 2. if it does, does the older sata makes the SSD lost its performance significantly? thanks If you don't mind the speed, access time will greatly helps you in loading time, which can improve OS, application and IO intensive loading latency. |
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Nov 8 2010, 04:26 PM
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Asus M2N-E should be using sata 2 interface.
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Nov 8 2010, 08:41 PM
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thanks saturn85..it seems that my mobo does support sata2..yeay!!
and thanks @wildwestgoh..i learnt something new today from u This post has been edited by awang: Nov 8 2010, 08:42 PM |
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Nov 8 2010, 09:47 PM
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QUOTE(awang @ Nov 8 2010, 08:41 PM) thanks saturn85..it seems that my mobo does support sata2..yeay!! haha, you can always check the motherboard spec on the manual and on their website. |
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Nov 8 2010, 09:55 PM
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QUOTE(saturn85 @ Oct 31 2010, 03:59 AM) haha, imagine using this item to boot windows. F*ck Windows!!My OCZ Agility goes from power button to completely usable Debian desktop in 9sec (my BIOS is slow and takes 3 - 4 seconds, if not it would be even faster) This post has been edited by G-17: Nov 8 2010, 09:56 PM |
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Nov 8 2010, 10:19 PM
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QUOTE(G-17 @ Nov 8 2010, 09:55 PM) My OCZ Agility goes from power button to completely usable Debian desktop in 9sec (my BIOS is slow and takes 3 - 4 seconds, if not it would be even faster) wow, this is fast.what kind of OS is that? |
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Nov 8 2010, 11:09 PM
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Elite
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QUOTE(saturn85 @ Nov 8 2010, 10:19 PM) wow, this is fast. debian is a type of linux distro.. eg. ubuntu,suse,fedorawhat kind of OS is that? |
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Nov 9 2010, 08:54 AM
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Hi,
I am thinking to get one SSD for my Mac Pro to speed up the loading. I need a 3.5" at least 320gb SSD. May I know where can I get it and where will be the best deal? Thanks. |
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Nov 9 2010, 11:27 AM
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QUOTE(ASAP @ Nov 9 2010, 08:54 AM) Hi, You can get 160GB x 2 (haven seen any 320GB model yet) and RAID0, even faster.I am thinking to get one SSD for my Mac Pro to speed up the loading. I need a 3.5" at least 320gb SSD. May I know where can I get it and where will be the best deal? Thanks. Provided your Mac Pro support RAID. |
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Nov 9 2010, 12:20 PM
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QUOTE(G-17 @ Nov 8 2010, 09:55 PM) F*ck Windows!! My power button to my vista x64 desktop only take 1 second using 7200rpm hard disk, how to do that? use resume from sleep feature. if you just want to boot windows faster, not really need SSD.My OCZ Agility goes from power button to completely usable Debian desktop in 9sec (my BIOS is slow and takes 3 - 4 seconds, if not it would be even faster) |
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Nov 9 2010, 12:24 PM
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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Nov 9 2010, 11:27 AM) You can get 160GB x 2 (haven seen any 320GB model yet) and RAID0, even faster. Thanks. Mac Pro has 4 HDD slots and I have used all the 4 slots, so RAID 0 is not possible at this moment. Provided your Mac Pro support RAID. If 320gb is not available, how about 256GB SSD? May I know which brand is recommended and where is the best place to get? Thanks. |
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Nov 9 2010, 01:17 PM
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QUOTE(Kiding @ Nov 9 2010, 12:20 PM) My power button to my vista x64 desktop only take 1 second using 7200rpm hard disk, how to do that? use resume from sleep feature. if you just want to boot windows faster, not really need SSD. Cold Boot =/= SleepSleep still drains battery, and if you're on the road with your netbook (even if it has a 6cell battery) without your charger for days, Sleep will eventually become completely, utterly, battery-drainingly useless. But I completely understand your point ... Even after the desktop appears you're can't really do anything on Vista cos your disk is busy thrashing itself like a doped up simian crack-hoe, rendering it unusable for the next minute or so .... hence your need for Sleep/Resume. Lastly, your 1sec wake-up-from-sleep time is bollocks. No version of windows I've tried (not even win 7 on a Core i7) can wake up to a usable desktop in 1 sec. Actually, no version of any OS can wake up from Sleep/Suspend in 1 sec. Granted, Linux is pretty bad with wake up times, but even OSX Leopard and Snow Leopard (reportedly the best at resuming from sleep/suspend) still takes more than 1 sec. Added on November 9, 2010, 1:24 pm QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Nov 9 2010, 11:27 AM) You can get 160GB x 2 (haven seen any 320GB model yet) and RAID0, even faster. Actually, in my experience, a single high-speed SSD (like those from Intel or OCZ) on a SATA-II interface still has better random access times compared to a RAID 0 setup (even if the HDDs are 10,000 RPM). The RAID 0 setup has an advantage for Read/Write, though (but not by much). So it all depends on what he's using his MacPro for. If his job involves a lot of compiling, then the reduced bottleneck of a SSD will definitely be a better complement to his high-spec processor. If, on the other hand, he does a lot of photo editing or image manipulation (Photoshop, Corel Painter...etc) then the RAID 0 is probably the better (and more economical) setup.Provided your Mac Pro support RAID. Added on November 9, 2010, 1:41 pm QUOTE(ASAP @ Nov 9 2010, 12:24 PM) If 320gb is not available, how about 256GB SSD? May I know which brand is recommended and where is the best place to get? I can't help you with prices since I currently reside in Singapore.With regards to brands, Intel and OCZ are the only two brands I've ever considered for my main desktop/workstation. If you can afford it (and want the mega-performance), then something like the new OCZ Vertex 2 with its SandForce SF-1200 controller will probably be the most suitable. I think the biggest size I've seen in stores for that particular model is 240GB (though their website claims to have up to 400GB models), but it's bloody expensive (most people will say it's not worth the money) My main desktop/workstation currently houses a 60GB version of Solid 2 SSD (slower than Vertex 2), plus a standard 320GB HDD. I usually set up my partitions (I run Linux/BSD) to have the /Root partitions (I have 2 OS'es installed) take up the SSD and /Home, /tmp, /var partitions take up the HDD. Perhaps you could do something similar with your MacPro (I have no experience with multipartitioning OSX, nor do I remember what journaling system it uses, so I can't help you there). Cheers. This post has been edited by G-17: Nov 9 2010, 01:57 PM |
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Nov 9 2010, 01:42 PM
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Elite
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QUOTE(ASAP @ Nov 9 2010, 12:24 PM) Thanks. Mac Pro has 4 HDD slots and I have used all the 4 slots, so RAID 0 is not possible at this moment. so far i used my MBP with vertex2 (sandforce based) and it works great..If 320gb is not available, how about 256GB SSD? May I know which brand is recommended and where is the best place to get? Thanks. bought it from czone and so far i saw the biggest they carry is 120GB.. maybe for bigger size such as 240GB or even 480GB you have to back2back order but as usual pls check ocz forum for compatibility issues and latest firmware updates... This post has been edited by jinaun: Nov 9 2010, 01:44 PM |
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Nov 9 2010, 01:58 PM
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QUOTE(G-17 @ Nov 9 2010, 01:17 PM) Cold Boot =/= Sleep I will be going to Singapore this week and where will be the best place to source for SSD? ThanksSleep still drains battery, and if you're on the road with your netbook (even if it has a 6cell battery) without your charger for days, Sleep will eventually become completely, utterly, battery-drainingly useless. But I completely understand your point ... Even after the desktop appears you're can't really do anything on Vista cos your disk is busy thrashing itself like a doped up simian crack-hoe, rendering it unusable for the next minute or so .... hence your need for Sleep/Resume. Lastly, your 1sec wake-up-from-sleep time is bollocks. No version of windows I've tried (not even win 7 on a Core i7) can wake up to a usable desktop in 1 sec. Actually, no version of any OS can wake up from Sleep/Suspend in 1 sec. Granted, Linux is pretty bad with wake up times, but even OSX Leopard and Snow Leopard (reportedly the best at resuming from sleep/suspend) still takes more than 1 sec. Added on November 9, 2010, 1:24 pmActually, in my experience, a single high-speed SSD (like those from Intel or OCZ) on a SATA-II interface still has better random access times compared to a RAID 0 setup (even if the HDDs are 10,000 RPM). The RAID 0 setup has an advantage for Read/Write, though (but not by much). So it all depends on what he's using his MacPro for. If his job involves a lot of compiling, then the reduced bottleneck of a SSD will definitely be a better complement to his high-spec processor. If, on the other hand, he does a lot of photo editing or image manipulation (Photoshop, Corel Painter...etc) then the RAID 0 is probably the better (and more economical) setup. Added on November 9, 2010, 1:41 pmI can't help you with prices since I currently reside in Singapore. With regards to brands, Intel and OCZ are the only two brands I've ever considered for my main desktop/workstation. If you can afford it (and want the mega-performance), then something like the new OCZ Vertex 2 with its SandForce SF-1200 controller will probably be the most suitable. I think the biggest size I've seen in stores for that particular model is 240GB (though their website claims to have up to 400GB models), but it's bloody expensive (most people will say it's not worth the money) My main desktop/workstation currently houses a 60GB version of Solid 2 SSD (slower than Vertex 2), plus a standard 320GB HDD. I usually set up my partitions (I run Linux/BSD) to have the /Root partitions (I have 2 OS'es installed) take up the SSD and /Home, /tmp, /var partitions take up the HDD. Perhaps you could do something similar with your MacPro (I have no experience with multipartitioning OSX, nor do I remember what journaling system it uses, so I can't help you there). Cheers. |
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Nov 9 2010, 02:07 PM
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QUOTE(ASAP @ Nov 9 2010, 01:58 PM) I will be going to Singapore this week and where will be the best place to source for SSD? Thanks http://www.videopro.com.sg/That site should give you a rough idea of prices. It's based in Sim Lim Square, where you can find a lot of other dealers. Use those prices as reference and walk around Sim Lim Square a bit to visit the other stores (most probably you can get em a bit cheaper than listed price) There's also another shopping center called Funan IT Mall ... stuff is usually slightly pricier over there, though. Cheers. Edit: Disclaimer: I have no idea how S'pore prices compare to those in K.L or Penang (J.B is shit, don't bother looking there). For all you know, it might be cheaper in Malaysia. The reason I buy my computing stuff from S'pore is obviously because I live/work here (aftersale service and all that) This post has been edited by G-17: Nov 9 2010, 02:15 PM |
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Nov 9 2010, 03:15 PM
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QUOTE(G-17 @ Nov 9 2010, 01:17 PM) Cold Boot =/= Sleep Wake up from sleep mostly applicable to desktop only, for laptop, unless it is just off for few hours, then it is fine, otherwise, sleep is not an option.Sleep still drains battery, and if you're on the road with your netbook (even if it has a 6cell battery) without your charger for days, Sleep will eventually become completely, utterly, battery-drainingly useless. But I completely understand your point ... Even after the desktop appears you're can't really do anything on Vista cos your disk is busy thrashing itself like a doped up simian crack-hoe, rendering it unusable for the next minute or so .... hence your need for Sleep/Resume. Lastly, your 1sec wake-up-from-sleep time is bollocks. No version of windows I've tried (not even win 7 on a Core i7) can wake up to a usable desktop in 1 sec. Actually, no version of any OS can wake up from Sleep/Suspend in 1 sec. Granted, Linux is pretty bad with wake up times, but even OSX Leopard and Snow Leopard (reportedly the best at resuming from sleep/suspend) still takes more than 1 sec. Once my PC is wakeup from sleep, it is pretty responsive and immediately usable, in my case, the hard disk doesn't incurs high I/O operations, I think my 4G RAM does help. Okay, 1 sec is estimated, to be precise, it is around 1.5 second, at most 2 seconds, no bluffing. BTW, there is one OS can be wake up in 1 second, it is iPad IOS 4 My PC is always turn to sleep instead of shut down, I don't shut down my PC unless I need to open the casing. |
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Nov 9 2010, 05:33 PM
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Uh so many issues with sandforce controller.
I think I would go back intel again.. although the same drive. |
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Nov 9 2010, 08:37 PM
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QUOTE(Kiding @ Nov 9 2010, 03:15 PM) Wake up from sleep mostly applicable to desktop only, for laptop, unless it is just off for few hours, then it is fine, otherwise, sleep is not an option. Which brings matters back to my original point. Ability to Suspend/Resume is not a barometer of actual performance, and neither is boot time, but boot speed does at least reflect throughput. My netbook being readily usable while everyone else is busy staring at a loading screen at the local Starbucks makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. I look forward to the day PCI-E SSDs and UEFIs become the norm and give me instant on.Once my PC is wakeup from sleep, it is pretty responsive and immediately usable, in my case, the hard disk doesn't incurs high I/O operations, I think my 4G RAM does help. Okay, 1 sec is estimated, to be precise, it is around 1.5 second, at most 2 seconds, no bluffing. BTW, there is one OS can be wake up in 1 second, it is iPad IOS 4 My PC is always turn to sleep instead of shut down, I don't shut down my PC unless I need to open the casing. BTW, iPad OS is not an OS!! iPads are like padded women ... tak boleh pakai!! Added on November 9, 2010, 8:42 pm QUOTE(0168257061 @ Nov 9 2010, 05:33 PM) Uh so many issues with sandforce controller. Erm, what issues are you experiencing, exactly? O_o?I think I would go back intel again.. although the same drive. All my SSDs work fine. Only problem I had was with the OCZ Agility on my netbook, but that was manufacturer defect (refused to boot) and I got it exchanged the next day. Other than that, I've had no issues with bad writes or TRIM support. This post has been edited by G-17: Nov 9 2010, 08:42 PM |
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Nov 9 2010, 10:12 PM
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like the corsair force series issue talked in the previous page.
Im a lazy guy who want something that is stable only. If my old p35-ds3 able to do raid i will try just ordered another unit of 80gb x-25m |
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Nov 11 2010, 07:27 PM
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hi guys..can someone recommend a reliable SSD for OS/programs usage? looking at size around 60-80gb...pls share the price as well...tq
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Nov 11 2010, 07:34 PM
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QUOTE(Fjive @ Nov 11 2010, 08:27 PM) hi guys..can someone recommend a reliable SSD for OS/programs usage? looking at size around 60-80gb...pls share the price as well...tq Intel X25MG2 80GB |
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Nov 13 2010, 09:04 AM
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QUOTE(0168257061 @ Nov 9 2010, 10:12 PM) like the corsair force series issue talked in the previous page. The p35-ds3 raid wont give u much on performance becos it's using gigabyte raid controller n not intel raid chipset controller, i have test it before becos i am using the same mobo like u mention. Check my signature below.Im a lazy guy who want something that is stable only. If my old p35-ds3 able to do raid i will try just ordered another unit of 80gb x-25m |
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Nov 13 2010, 10:37 AM
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how much the performance gained after u tested it ?
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Nov 13 2010, 02:41 PM
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Price cut on the x25-V makes its more attractive, but is 40GB going to cut it?
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Nov 13 2010, 05:11 PM
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QUOTE(kaiserreich @ Nov 13 2010, 02:41 PM) Price cut on the x25-V makes its more attractive, but is 40GB going to cut it? Intel Lowers Prices on Solid-State Drives in Time for Holiday Buying Season |
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Nov 13 2010, 06:40 PM
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I meant, is 40GB enough for apps + OS ?
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Nov 13 2010, 07:23 PM
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QUOTE(kaiserreich @ Nov 13 2010, 06:40 PM) I meant, is 40GB enough for apps + OS ? normal usage it ok.. |
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Nov 14 2010, 10:44 AM
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guys... where can i get OCZ revodrive....??
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Nov 14 2010, 12:59 PM
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Hi..
Where can i sent intel ssd for warranty? My drive 160g g2 have errors using with macbook... Last time bought from forumer now no reply from him... thanks |
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Nov 15 2010, 08:47 AM
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QUOTE(komag @ Nov 13 2010, 05:11 PM) Wa, Intel has reduce (or probably introduce) the price .. are they anymore manufacturers following suite? |
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Nov 15 2010, 02:50 PM
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Nov 14 2010, 10:44 AM) guys... where can i get OCZ revodrive....?? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820227659search for ppl who bulk from u.s online stores and you can get it. bloody exp but if you do, post some benchies here yeah |
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Nov 15 2010, 03:32 PM
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Just got my 2nd X25MG2 80gb
but no time to play it due to exam cumming |
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Nov 15 2010, 04:26 PM
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QUOTE(dtdw @ Nov 15 2010, 03:50 PM) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820227659 i'm trying to buy local... but if have no choice then have to buy on9 search for ppl who bulk from u.s online stores and you can get it. bloody exp but if you do, post some benchies here yeah RevoDrive X2 is freaking expensive mang... much prefer the older version... |
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Nov 15 2010, 09:57 PM
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Nov 14 2010, 10:44 AM) guys... where can i get OCZ revodrive....?? I can do it on special order basis. Upfront deposit is required to avoid ffk. |
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Nov 15 2010, 11:03 PM
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QUOTE(ronaldjoe @ Nov 15 2010, 10:57 PM) I can do it on special order basis. thx... but i edi order my fren to get it for me, 120gb revodrive around RM1100...Upfront deposit is required to avoid ffk. still waiting for him to scout a good price though... but still damn expensive sial... have to wait until next month he come b from US hope i would not regret buying it... This post has been edited by yinchet: Nov 15 2010, 11:04 PM |
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Nov 16 2010, 08:29 AM
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Just a question.
Does anyone know any software we use to test to see if the SSD has been used before? Any tools we can use? I just got an OCZ SSD but the package was an open package and i am worried that it may have been used before. Thanks. |
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Nov 16 2010, 10:55 AM
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Nov 15 2010, 11:03 PM) thx... but i edi order my fren to get it for me, 120gb revodrive around RM1100... Hey, if your friend is bringing it back personally, it shouldn't cost that much even if he wants to charge you some fee. Amazon sells for $280 with free US shipping. Otherwise, use a freight forwarder service, shipping probably would cost ~$50 (being generous here, I think it would actually be less). That goes up to less than RM1050. Reach you < 2 weeks (depending on your US->MY shipping option).still waiting for him to scout a good price though... but still damn expensive sial... have to wait until next month he come b from US hope i would not regret buying it... |
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Nov 16 2010, 01:07 PM
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QUOTE(bean_man @ Nov 16 2010, 08:29 AM) Just a question. you can check the smart attribute..Does anyone know any software we use to test to see if the SSD has been used before? Any tools we can use? I just got an OCZ SSD but the package was an open package and i am worried that it may have been used before. Thanks. IIRC.. its called Power on Hours |
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Nov 17 2010, 02:46 AM
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QUOTE(Crazy.SoT.Gila @ Nov 16 2010, 11:55 AM) Hey, if your friend is bringing it back personally, it shouldn't cost that much even if he wants to charge you some fee. Amazon sells for $280 with free US shipping. Otherwise, use a freight forwarder service, shipping probably would cost ~$50 (being generous here, I think it would actually be less). That goes up to less than RM1050. Reach you < 2 weeks (depending on your US->MY shipping option). last time he check at store, it were around USD340++it should drop price by now, but just to be save i just put the budget at RM1100 he now scouting the best price for me, he not yet pm me anyway... anyway it would be nice if it is cheaper, hope it were below RM1k though hehe... This post has been edited by yinchet: Nov 17 2010, 02:46 AM |
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Nov 17 2010, 08:55 AM
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I am not sure of the current price now. Hope you would like it much
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Nov 17 2010, 09:29 AM
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Nov 17 2010, 02:46 AM) last time he check at store, it were around USD340++ I guess you should monitor Amazon. They hiked up the price to $299 now. But hey, that's < RM1000 it should drop price by now, but just to be save i just put the budget at RM1100 he now scouting the best price for me, he not yet pm me anyway... anyway it would be nice if it is cheaper, hope it were below RM1k though hehe... Or wait for Black Friday/Cyber Monday and hopefully some vendor will have it on a nice sale |
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Nov 18 2010, 07:16 PM
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hey guys
want to check with you all... will my ssd performance be better if it hook it up to a SAS/SATA controller that runs off the PCIE bus ? cause ill be skipping the SouthB controller.. will that give me better performance margin by running it out from the sas/sata controller than my SB sata port - oh another question.. which is the best SSD in terms of performance nw ? vertex 2 ? or intel x25m ? or is it those force ssd from corsairs ? This post has been edited by JinXXX: Nov 18 2010, 07:18 PM |
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Nov 20 2010, 06:19 PM
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just bought mushkin callisto deluxe 120gb ytd for my amd rig..
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Nov 20 2010, 09:17 PM
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QUOTE(cwk88 @ Nov 20 2010, 06:19 PM) just bought mushkin callisto deluxe 120gb ytd for my amd rig.. price for this item? i lovin it =) |
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Nov 20 2010, 11:34 PM
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QUOTE(saturn85 @ Nov 20 2010, 09:17 PM) price for this item? RM8xx |
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Nov 21 2010, 11:56 AM
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QUOTE(kaiserreich @ Nov 13 2010, 06:40 PM) I meant, is 40GB enough for apps + OS ? os +n some application is ok, but do not include the high end game~~ |
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Nov 21 2010, 12:22 PM
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QUOTE(chenhui87 @ Nov 21 2010, 11:56 AM) os +n some application is ok, but do not include the high end game~~ +2. nowadays one game already eaten up 8GB |
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Nov 21 2010, 04:00 PM
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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Nov 21 2010, 12:22 PM) +2. nowadays one game already eaten up 8GB the darksider eaten up 10GB, GTA4 more than tat~~haha |
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Nov 24 2010, 12:59 AM
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Wow eaten up 25gb+ ~! @@
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Nov 24 2010, 12:58 PM
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I just wanted to share this info from my own installation.
I got the 40GB Vertex 2 SSD With just basic Windows 7 Ultimate, Firefox, windows update, i have used about 17GB of space. I have moved my documents, games and my profile contents to another drive to conserve space. It works but I am beginning to feel strained everytime I install, have to watch where i install it, how much space left in the SSD drive. A little stressful but the boot-up and shutdown times was a spectacular moment to enjoy. So for those thinking if 40GB will even cut it, you have my thoughts on this... |
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Nov 24 2010, 05:00 PM
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QUOTE(bean_man @ Nov 24 2010, 12:58 PM) I just wanted to share this info from my own installation. how you move and still keep windows consistant ? if the hdd holding yr profile crashes will yr win7 ultimate still able to boot ? and recreate a new profile ?I got the 40GB Vertex 2 SSD With just basic Windows 7 Ultimate, Firefox, windows update, i have used about 17GB of space. I have moved my documents, games and my profile contents to another drive to conserve space. It works but I am beginning to feel strained everytime I install, have to watch where i install it, how much space left in the SSD drive. |
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Nov 25 2010, 11:46 AM
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QUOTE(JinXXX @ Nov 24 2010, 05:00 PM) how you move and still keep windows consistant ? if the hdd holding yr profile crashes will yr win7 ultimate still able to boot ? and recreate a new profile ? I think the profile data itself is still in the main drive. Only profile's linked content such as desktop, download, my documents, my videos and so on can be shifted. You will need to change the properties of the folder and redivert it to another drive. Perhaps i was not too clear on my statement....But 40GB is doable for those unsure if they should be spending RM8xx for the higher capacity drives. |
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Nov 25 2010, 12:22 PM
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QUOTE(bean_man @ Nov 25 2010, 11:46 AM) I think the profile data itself is still in the main drive. Only profile's linked content such as desktop, download, my documents, my videos and so on can be shifted. You will need to change the properties of the folder and redivert it to another drive. Perhaps i was not too clear on my statement.... Ok, I know any folders can be added as default "My Documents", but I didn't knew Desktop can be done as well, teach teach But 40GB is doable for those unsure if they should be spending RM8xx for the higher capacity drives. |
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Nov 25 2010, 01:05 PM
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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Nov 25 2010, 12:22 PM) Ok, I know any folders can be added as default "My Documents", but I didn't knew Desktop can be done as well, teach teach Right click at My Documents, you will see a Target folder location, change that to your designated folder. |
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Nov 25 2010, 01:15 PM
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QUOTE(CalvinCLK @ Nov 25 2010, 01:05 PM) Right click at My Documents, you will see a Target folder location, change that to your designated folder. Erm, yeah I know about "My Documents", please teach the "Desktop" one |
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Nov 25 2010, 01:45 PM
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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Nov 25 2010, 01:15 PM) Erm, yeah I know about "My Documents", please teach the "Desktop" one Oopps.. that one I also dunno.. wait for the forumer to come back.. |
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Nov 25 2010, 06:41 PM
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QUOTE(CalvinCLK @ Nov 25 2010, 01:45 PM) Oopps.. that one I also dunno.. wait for the forumer to come back.. maybe you can try this and update us if it works or nothttp://social.technet.microsoft.com/forums...c-679b297832e1/ |
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Nov 25 2010, 08:13 PM
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just look into the folder(assuming you use Win7) using windows explorer C:\Users\[profile_name]
Right click on the properties of each folder and you can change the location store. |
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Nov 26 2010, 02:47 AM
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QUOTE(bean_man @ Nov 24 2010, 12:58 PM) I just wanted to share this info from my own installation. yeah thats true.. too much hassle.I got the 40GB Vertex 2 SSD With just basic Windows 7 Ultimate, Firefox, windows update, i have used about 17GB of space. I have moved my documents, games and my profile contents to another drive to conserve space. It works but I am beginning to feel strained everytime I install, have to watch where i install it, how much space left in the SSD drive. A little stressful but the boot-up and shutdown times was a spectacular moment to enjoy. So for those thinking if 40GB will even cut it, you have my thoughts on this... i dont think 40gb gonna do it for me bcause i hav tons of folders at desktop.  designing stuff.. mayb 80gb will suffice. |
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Nov 26 2010, 09:17 AM
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QUOTE(CopyX @ Nov 26 2010, 02:47 AM) yeah thats true.. too much hassle. Hi,i dont think 40gb gonna do it for me bcause i hav tons of folders at desktop. designing stuff.. mayb 80gb will suffice. I too use the desktop extensively to store my files and i changed the desktop store location to another drive. I don't feel any difference ie.e. slowdown and it helps you keep the 20 odd GB of available space in check. I must iterate that it is definitely doable. I am sure there are others who are also doing it this way. The only sacrifice is the convenience of just clicking save or next during installation. You have to think where you are going to store that file or program. |
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Nov 26 2010, 05:50 PM
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Recently, I saw Intel SSDs fall in price. Hm, guess that new gen of SSDs is around the corner.
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Nov 26 2010, 06:22 PM
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Joining the party soon.
Got F60 at CEX for Rm439 |
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Nov 26 2010, 08:48 PM
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QUOTE(kaiserreich @ Nov 26 2010, 06:22 PM) Joining the party soon. recently bought Kingston SSDNow V 100 64gb for RM350 Got F60 at CEX for Rm439 |
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Nov 27 2010, 09:50 AM
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QUOTE(hnr2802 @ Nov 26 2010, 08:48 PM) recently bought Kingston SSDNow V 100 64gb for RM350 Nice.. Toshiba chipset.. i still stick with SandForce chipset more.. haha.. tats why using a Vertex 2 and a Corsair F60 now.. |
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Nov 27 2010, 12:17 PM
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is there any benefit by installing games in ssd?
i am thinking on putting my most played game in ssd.(game only, windows in hdd) is it worth the money? |
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Nov 27 2010, 01:37 PM
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QUOTE(koolzuru @ Nov 27 2010, 12:17 PM) is there any benefit by installing games in ssd? to ssd sifus,which 1 give faster games load?games or windows on ssd?i am thinking on putting my most played game in ssd.(game only, windows in hdd) is it worth the money? This post has been edited by guestx: Nov 27 2010, 01:38 PM |
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Nov 27 2010, 01:38 PM
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QUOTE(koolzuru @ Nov 27 2010, 12:17 PM) is there any benefit by installing games in ssd? If you feel your games loading speed is tremendously slow, then yes it's worth the upgrade to get the lightning blink speed, but I don't see any point of that because nowadays games tend to load ahead when you play so you get smoother gameplay (for some games).i am thinking on putting my most played game in ssd.(game only, windows in hdd) is it worth the money? Other than that, gaming performance is not affected. |
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Nov 27 2010, 01:42 PM
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I not very sure whether the sandforce chip issue has been solved.
thats why i buy intel 80gb ssd. though a bit slow on write compared with vertex 2 or corsair force series. if they dont have issue anymore, that is a good buy |
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Nov 27 2010, 06:14 PM
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well.. so far im using it no problem already la.. no BSOD no restart issue, no SSD detection problem..
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Nov 27 2010, 06:54 PM
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QUOTE(guestx @ Nov 27 2010, 01:37 PM) to ssd sifus,which 1 give faster games load?games or windows on ssd? ofcos apps/games on SSD will load faster. |
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Nov 27 2010, 09:00 PM
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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Nov 27 2010, 02:38 PM) If you feel your games loading speed is tremendously slow, then yes it's worth the upgrade to get the lightning blink speed, but I don't see any point of that because nowadays games tend to load ahead when you play so you get smoother gameplay (for some games). thanks for your replyOther than that, gaming performance is not affected. game loading is not that slow but i save and load game a lot especially when playing rpg. if can save 2 or 3 second for every load for me it is a lot. |
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Nov 28 2010, 01:33 AM
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Laptop Users SSD Tweak Laptop users with Intel Chipsets should read this tweak. The tweak works like a charm |
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Nov 28 2010, 12:52 PM
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hmmm... stilll can't decide this....
Corsair F60 or Intel X25-M g2 80gb well F60's slightly cheaper, but i'm unsure of sandforce's stability with the current chatter on its controller intel x25m 80gb seems like more bang for buck, given the extra 20gb~~~ anyone can help me out here? thanks |
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Nov 28 2010, 01:54 PM
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QUOTE(fr0sti3 @ Nov 28 2010, 12:52 PM) hmmm... stilll can't decide this.... Well..one way or another..it will be a very significant jump from non SSD Corsair F60 or Intel X25-M g2 80gb well F60's slightly cheaper, but i'm unsure of sandforce's stability with the current chatter on its controller intel x25m 80gb seems like more bang for buck, given the extra 20gb~~~ anyone can help me out here? thanks |
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Nov 29 2010, 10:34 AM
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Actually, is the SandForce problem solved? I'm thinking to get myself a 60GB Vertex II for OS and applications only, since i have 5 HDD in my rig, i think games and others are enough
Is it a good buy now? *** Actually what's the real issue of the SandForce controller? |
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Nov 29 2010, 11:52 AM
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i'm using vertex2 on my MBP.. and so far no issues whatsoever
upgraded from 1.11 to 1.23... Attached thumbnail(s) 
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Nov 29 2010, 02:22 PM
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good to hear no problem there.
should buy it before. coz i too kiasi |
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Nov 29 2010, 03:01 PM
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Those who use SandForce SSD, mind to tell what's your write speed using CrystalDiskMark 3.0. I get constant 70mb/s for all tests, only when ATTO, it appears normal to what is has been advertised.
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Nov 29 2010, 03:56 PM
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AS SSD Benchmark:
System (32-bit): 
Background Program: 
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Nov 29 2010, 03:59 PM
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QUOTE(irwan6179 @ Nov 8 2010, 11:51 AM) Hi guys, wow nice. im wondering how its perform.Just wanna post this new benchmark for Crucial RealSSD C300 64GB. I just purchase it from a bulk. Current price is RM600 but I bought it for RM570. What do you guys think about its performance? It's actually SATA 3 but I only have SATA 2 computer. i read from here: http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?t=2905381 can u try using AS SSD Benchmark This post has been edited by aindejeje: Nov 29 2010, 04:06 PM |
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Nov 29 2010, 04:49 PM
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QUOTE(jinaun @ Nov 29 2010, 11:52 AM) i'm using vertex2 on my MBP.. and so far no issues whatsoever Bro, got any differences between both firmware?upgraded from 1.11 to 1.23... |
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Nov 29 2010, 05:38 PM
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QUOTE(AceCombat @ Nov 29 2010, 04:49 PM) Bro, got any differences between both firmware? according to changelog... there is some changes.. but it didn't matter coz i prefer drives with the most current firmware (1.24 is the current shipping firmware, but i'll update to 1.24 later on, malas to screw open )in some forums i read.. some say 1.11 got problem.. while other says no prob... some say after upgrade to 1.23 tons of problem.. but on the other hand.. no problems.. usually if the drive no problem.. ppl won complain.. which for me i'm happy with it what u see typically in forums are the ones that complains coz of certain izzues and the number maybe falls in the industrial standard of defect rate??? This post has been edited by jinaun: Nov 29 2010, 05:42 PM |
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Nov 29 2010, 08:52 PM
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QUOTE(AceCombat @ Nov 29 2010, 10:34 AM) Actually, is the SandForce problem solved? I'm thinking to get myself a 60GB Vertex II for OS and applications only, since i have 5 HDD in my rig, i think games and others are enough Corsair Sandforce is way cheaper if you look around in Garage sales, local distro. Plus I don't think there is much difference even though OCZ has a deal with SF for the firmware stuff. Corsair Force firmware 1.1 used to have BSOD problem when waking up from sleep. Firmware 2.0 supposed to solve it, no problems on mine thus far. Is it a good buy now? *** Actually what's the real issue of the SandForce controller? @Hyde`fK DuraDrive thing is enable by the firmware the preserve the write or something. Perfectly normal to have lower write speeds during benching. It is enabled when too much writing or something rather. Try running CDM in 0-fill mode and you should get the full speed. |
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Nov 29 2010, 09:47 PM
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Ok. Thanks alot.
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Nov 30 2010, 12:03 PM
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I custom build a desktop for my friend with main drive using OCZ Vertex II 40GB.Sorry for the lousy video quality coz using blackberry curve. This post has been edited by Smackers: Nov 30 2010, 12:10 PM |
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Nov 30 2010, 12:56 PM
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fresh installed os?
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Nov 30 2010, 01:38 PM
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Yes and after installing all the necessary programs,ms office 2010,adobe and all win7 updates.
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Nov 30 2010, 03:20 PM
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AntiVirus? which one you used.
I find that those AV products with firewall really kills off whatever advantage you have for boot time on a SSD. I can get 25 seconds without any Firewall, but install anything like that, and the boot time easily doubles. Wonders what kind of AntiVirus gives the best trade-off between boot and security |
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Nov 30 2010, 03:27 PM
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anti virus hasnt been installed yet at this time of recording.but i personally recommend norton internet security 2011.
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Dec 1 2010, 12:25 AM
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below is my mushkin callisto dlx 120gb benchmark on my amd rig.. see my siggy for da spec
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Dec 1 2010, 12:31 AM
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QUOTE(cwk88 @ Dec 1 2010, 12:25 AM) below is my mushkin callisto dlx 120gb benchmark on my amd rig.. see my siggy for da spec Mine is about the same, using Corsair F60. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « This post has been edited by kaiserreich: Dec 1 2010, 12:32 AM |
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Dec 1 2010, 08:06 AM
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QUOTE(kaiserreich @ Nov 29 2010, 08:52 PM) Corsair Sandforce is way cheaper if you look around in Garage sales, local distro. Plus I don't think there is much difference even though OCZ has a deal with SF for the firmware stuff. Corsair Force firmware 1.1 used to have BSOD problem when waking up from sleep. Firmware 2.0 supposed to solve it, no problems on mine thus far. theres a new Firmware 2.0 out for F60 already.. but i cant seem to update mine coz it didnt detect my ssd.. @Hyde`fK DuraDrive thing is enable by the firmware the preserve the write or something. Perfectly normal to have lower write speeds during benching. It is enabled when too much writing or something rather. Try running CDM in 0-fill mode and you should get the full speed. |
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Dec 1 2010, 09:04 AM
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hey guys just curious
why is zhen^wei & yongkailoon , selling corsair force series , 120GB @ RM1125 , RM1120 http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...2171&hl=corsair http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...5710&hl=corsair but Cex is selling the same 120GB @ RM889 http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1654042&hl= its like 200 bux plus difference... is there a particular reason for that.. just that i find it odd.. |
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Dec 1 2010, 09:09 AM
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maybe cex sell it in bulk?
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Dec 1 2010, 09:09 AM
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QUOTE(JinXXX @ Dec 1 2010, 09:04 AM) hey guys just curious they havent update the price yet i think..why is zhen^wei & yongkailoon , selling corsair force series , 120GB @ RM1125 , RM1120 http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...2171&hl=corsair http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...5710&hl=corsair but Cex is selling the same 120GB @ RM889 http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1654042&hl= its like 200 bux plus difference... is there a particular reason for that.. just that i find it odd.. This post has been edited by StratOS: Dec 1 2010, 09:10 AM |
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Dec 1 2010, 09:32 AM
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QUOTE(StratOS @ Dec 1 2010, 08:06 AM) theres a new Firmware 2.0 out for F60 already.. but i cant seem to update mine coz it didnt detect my ssd.. Time to RMA. Says so in Corsair ForumsQUOTE(soundsyst64 @ Dec 1 2010, 09:09 AM) maybe cex sell it in bulk? I got mine in retail packaging Honestly I also find it odd, the pricing, but lingloong is selling his F60 at Rm490. Different supplier maybe? |
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Dec 1 2010, 11:00 AM
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Wow, later I try to update my SSD first. Hope it works fine.
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Dec 1 2010, 01:27 PM
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i got problem installing OS into SSD, got anybody here can help me my tread is here..
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1658826 |
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Dec 1 2010, 08:45 PM
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QUOTE(kaiserreich @ Dec 1 2010, 09:32 AM) Time to RMA. Says so in Corsair Forums cex selling F60 @ rm425I got mine in retail packaging Honestly I also find it odd, the pricing, but lingloong is selling his F60 at Rm490. Different supplier maybe? |
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Dec 1 2010, 09:16 PM
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Based on their 1 Dec pricelist, czone is now selling OCZ Vertex 2 60GB @ RM529. Previously it was RM589.
Do you think this is a good deal? |
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Dec 1 2010, 11:34 PM
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QUOTE(cannavaro @ Dec 1 2010, 09:16 PM) Based on their 1 Dec pricelist, czone is now selling OCZ Vertex 2 60GB @ RM529. Previously it was RM589. For SandForce SSD, cheapest is the F60 at Rm425 as pointed out. There is performance difference, but with price difference of Rm100, the performance difference is offset by the price. Otherwise, get the Intel, more space. Plus very close performance in terms of 4k Random Reads/Writes with the SandForce SSDs.Do you think this is a good deal? Or wait for price drop come 2011. Intel's G3 is due in February or March. The SandForce-2000 series is due after Xmas based on the rumours circulating around. Price of SSDs tend to fall really fast. So wait until you beh tahan, or buy it now, choice is yours. This post has been edited by kaiserreich: Dec 1 2010, 11:35 PM |
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Dec 2 2010, 08:37 AM
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Price of SSD is dropping day by day.. cannot wait for it.. even if its cheap, by then a new chipset or controller is out d..
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Dec 2 2010, 01:41 PM
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Any comparison charts of DDR2 vs DDR3 performance difference on SSD?
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Dec 2 2010, 02:03 PM
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QUOTE(Hyde`fK @ Dec 2 2010, 01:41 PM) Any comparison charts of DDR2 vs DDR3 performance difference on SSD? I don't think that's significant (RAM has over few hundred GB/sec), but chipset (ICH7, ICH9, etc.) might have slight different in bandwidth and speed. |
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Dec 2 2010, 04:15 PM
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QUOTE(StratOS @ Dec 2 2010, 08:37 AM) Price of SSD is dropping day by day.. cannot wait for it.. even if its cheap, by then a new chipset or controller is out d.. ditto..sandforce isn't something old only come out like less than 1 year ago. is that old? not really. is it a new tech. definitely not. the "wait for the new XXX" can always be a waiting game. every few months there's a new product coming out dono how to follow the trend. x.x |
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Dec 2 2010, 05:33 PM
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QUOTE(StratOS @ Dec 1 2010, 09:09 AM) they havent update the price yet i think.. dont think so i personally check with them and they follow the price they give.. thats why im like thats ODD.... QUOTE(kaiserreich @ Dec 1 2010, 09:32 AM) Honestly I also find it odd, the pricing, but lingloong is selling his F60 at Rm490. Different supplier maybe? so huge diff using different suppliers ? |
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Dec 5 2010, 11:02 PM
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QUOTE(kaiserreich @ Dec 1 2010, 09:32 AM) Time to RMA. Says so in Corsair Forums cannot update only,then nid to rma??I got mine in retail packaging |
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Dec 6 2010, 07:10 AM
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just wan to ask...
intel SSD is more slower compare to other brand... is there any difference in performance for daily use?? or should is go for higher speed like cossair force series? |
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Dec 6 2010, 08:03 AM
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QUOTE(stevenlee @ Dec 6 2010, 07:10 AM) just wan to ask... I think Intel's SSD only lose out on the writing speed, other than that, read speed is quite normal, almost hitting the SATA2 limits, and the access speed is comparable with those Sandforce, but seriously you won't feel it in real life unless you're working in enterprise web server or huge SQL server.intel SSD is more slower compare to other brand... is there any difference in performance for daily use?? or should is go for higher speed like cossair force series? |
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Dec 6 2010, 09:50 AM
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QUOTE(driftmeister @ Dec 2 2010, 04:15 PM) ditto.. Thats why i say dont wait for it. Wan just see which spec good and buy lor..sandforce isn't something old only come out like less than 1 year ago. is that old? not really. is it a new tech. definitely not. the "wait for the new XXX" can always be a waiting game. every few months there's a new product coming out dono how to follow the trend. x.x QUOTE(JinXXX @ Dec 2 2010, 05:33 PM) dont think so i personally check with them and they follow the price they give.. Hmm.. dunno la.. but my selling price same as CEX o.. thats why im like thats ODD.... so huge diff using different suppliers ? QUOTE(chenhui87 @ Dec 5 2010, 11:02 PM) cannot update only,then nid to rma?? Yea, coz cant detect drive.. Its a fault already. |
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Dec 6 2010, 10:46 AM
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QUOTE(chenhui87 @ Dec 5 2010, 11:02 PM) cannot update only,then nid to rma?? izzit sandforce?SF drives are pain the the ass to update.. sometimes works sometimes don't and somemore depends on ur system configurations, recommended is intel controller / ms ahci drivers / win partition my vertex2, the ssdupdate can detect and update (after 10 times trial and error of various combinations) but the toolbox can't detect the drives ( no matter what), but the bios detects the drive and windows boots fine from it.., even shows in device manager and also in aida This post has been edited by jinaun: Dec 6 2010, 01:28 PM |
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Dec 7 2010, 01:52 AM
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hi all, i am interested to buy a SSD for my window OS installation.
from compuzone: OCZ VERTEX 2 SSD 40GB R 280 W 270Mb/s 419 OCZ VERTEX 2 SSD 60GB R 285 W 275Mb/s 599 is this the best price/performance ratio for SSD now? |
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Dec 7 2010, 05:19 AM
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QUOTE(AMDunFreak @ Dec 7 2010, 01:52 AM) hi all, i am interested to buy a SSD for my window OS installation. The 60GB is more recommended la.. Coz 40GB really too little already. and the price is not that high la.. should be cheaper is you find in garage sales section..from compuzone: OCZ VERTEX 2 SSD 40GB R 280 W 270Mb/s 419 OCZ VERTEX 2 SSD 60GB R 285 W 275Mb/s 599 is this the best price/performance ratio for SSD now? |
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Dec 7 2010, 07:21 AM
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yeah, before i go to search for a cheaper deal, first i need to ask is it the best model money can buy around that price?
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Dec 7 2010, 07:54 AM
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QUOTE(AMDunFreak @ Dec 7 2010, 07:21 AM) yeah, before i go to search for a cheaper deal, first i need to ask is it the best model money can buy around that price? Top up few bucks can get a bigger Intel X25-M 160gb oem already.Fast n cheap. |
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Dec 7 2010, 09:23 AM
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SSD.... hmmmm.... I 15k SAS kaki la... Dunno when I'll try SSD... Maybe when bro owikh do stock clearance, I'll buy SSD la...
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Dec 7 2010, 11:25 AM
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QUOTE(AMDunFreak @ Dec 7 2010, 07:21 AM) yeah, before i go to search for a cheaper deal, first i need to ask is it the best model money can buy around that price? Corsair F60. Same controller with the Vertex 2.Chenhui87 has it, Cex too. |
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Dec 9 2010, 09:25 AM
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Does anyone know which controller Kingston V100 use? Its sequential and random speed improves a lot comparing to the former one.
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Dec 9 2010, 06:44 PM
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from what i can gather its using Toshiba rebadged Jmicron JMF618
http://thessdreview.com/our-reviews/kingst...28b-ssd-review/ |
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Dec 10 2010, 12:33 PM
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if placing a ssd on a notebook is there any problems? what i mean is that supportable & the heat?
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Dec 10 2010, 01:09 PM
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QUOTE(milky @ Dec 10 2010, 12:33 PM) if placing a ssd on a notebook is there any problems? what i mean is that supportable & the heat? heat will be lesser, and not as hot as 7200rpm HDD Drives. |
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Dec 10 2010, 01:58 PM
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i might get a ssd to put on to my acer laptop..
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Dec 12 2010, 12:50 PM
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I notice that my read score is damn low.
Figured it out, silly me... 
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Dec 14 2010, 01:56 AM
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QUOTE(milky @ Dec 10 2010, 02:58 PM) i might get a ssd to put on to my acer laptop.. just do it i also using in my acer laptop |
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Dec 14 2010, 02:36 AM
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QUOTE(milky @ Dec 10 2010, 01:58 PM) i might get a ssd to put on to my acer laptop.. u wont regret even u get small 30gb ssd (for light usage la)unbelievably fast. i cant imagine if i have to revert back to normal hd |
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Dec 14 2010, 03:07 AM
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once a ssd user, you will never turn back
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Dec 15 2010, 09:39 PM
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One way ticket and no turning back.
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Dec 16 2010, 10:59 AM
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Hi guys, i'm here to ask one thing.
Is ICH7-M bottlenecking a lot to SSD? My customer is using one Kingston 30GB SSD-Now and it has the spec of 190/50 read write, but when i run hdtach and crystal disk, it showing only 100/40, anyway to overcome the problem? I wanna switch to AHCI for him but I couldn't find the driver for ICH7-M And is AHCI can boost the performance very much in this case? |
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Dec 17 2010, 10:13 AM
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SSD SATA Cable plugged into SATA1/SATA0 slot? Must be the 1st slot. There is a differences in performance if u use other SATA port.. Based on my experiences la.
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Dec 21 2010, 07:39 AM
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hey all, is it ok for me to transfer a acronis image of my HDD to a SSD?
plannin to get corsair F60 soon lol |
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Dec 21 2010, 09:40 AM
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QUOTE(fr0sti3 @ Dec 21 2010, 07:39 AM) hey all, is it ok for me to transfer a acronis image of my HDD to a SSD? A fresh format and fresh windows installation is recommended. plannin to get corsair F60 soon lol  |
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Dec 21 2010, 10:48 AM
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QUOTE(fr0sti3 @ Dec 21 2010, 07:39 AM) hey all, is it ok for me to transfer a acronis image of my HDD to a SSD? well i use it to clone my hdd to ssd..plannin to get corsair F60 soon lol somehw magically it did align it properly and all |
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Dec 21 2010, 06:02 PM
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I am using Acronis Total Image as well, it saves headache of installation.
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Dec 21 2010, 06:37 PM
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Just received call from from Friend working in intel. Most of the SSD is down
this month. Some experst from US came and investigate and they have come to conclusion most of the SSD have reach its maximum life span. |
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Dec 21 2010, 09:49 PM
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QUOTE(OlgaC4 @ Dec 21 2010, 06:37 PM) Just received call from from Friend working in intel. Most of the SSD is down i'm not surprised...this month. Some experst from US came and investigate and they have come to conclusion most of the SSD have reach its maximum life span. judging from a chart i saw earlier.. intel 80GB x25M is onli rated for abt 7.5TB writes |
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Dec 22 2010, 03:06 PM
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QUOTE(OlgaC4 @ Dec 21 2010, 06:37 PM) Just received call from from Friend working in intel. Most of the SSD is down Can you please elaborate more on this?this month. Some experst from US came and investigate and they have come to conclusion most of the SSD have reach its maximum life span. |
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Dec 22 2010, 05:59 PM
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me also use intel 80 gb . install w7 in jan and still running good till this time.
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Dec 22 2010, 09:17 PM
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QUOTE(jinaun @ Dec 21 2010, 10:49 PM) i'm not surprised... very low judging from a chart i saw earlier.. intel 80GB x25M is onli rated for abt 7.5TB writes |
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Dec 22 2010, 09:44 PM
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QUOTE(AceCombat @ Dec 16 2010, 10:59 AM) Hi guys, i'm here to ask one thing. http://forum.notebookreview.com/hardware-c...-jjb-tweak.htmlIs ICH7-M bottlenecking a lot to SSD? My customer is using one Kingston 30GB SSD-Now and it has the spec of 190/50 read write, but when i run hdtach and crystal disk, it showing only 100/40, anyway to overcome the problem? I wanna switch to AHCI for him but I couldn't find the driver for ICH7-M And is AHCI can boost the performance very much in this case? works for ICH too |
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Dec 22 2010, 10:44 PM
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yay just got my F60, pretty smooooth so far
Sandforce Firmware 2.0  This post has been edited by fr0sti3: Dec 22 2010, 10:46 PM |
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Dec 22 2010, 11:03 PM
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any harm if torrent using ssd?
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Dec 23 2010, 10:08 AM
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QUOTE(engseng @ Dec 22 2010, 03:06 PM) Can you please elaborate more on this? Can you see so many people selling Cheap intel SSD at LYN and give personal warranty 1 month. The stock is a trow out.This post has been edited by OlgaC4: Dec 23 2010, 10:09 AM |
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Dec 23 2010, 10:19 AM
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QUOTE(0168257061 @ Dec 22 2010, 09:17 PM) very low yeah and that makes it less than 100 rewrites...i tot 34nm flash are suppose to last 3000 rewrites... |
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Dec 23 2010, 10:41 AM
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QUOTE(jinaun @ Dec 23 2010, 11:19 AM) yeah and that makes it less than 100 rewrites... so the ssd eventually die after reaching its limit ?i tot 34nm flash are suppose to last 3000 rewrites... then have to RMA ?  |
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