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TSjinaun
post Aug 4 2010, 04:51 PM, updated 14y ago

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can't find a SSD specialized thread in this forum, i'll put one up at this time and also post my intel 80GB G2 benchmarks

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post Aug 4 2010, 04:51 PM

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SDD Controllers

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Intel Gen1 - PC29AS21AA0
Intel X25-M G1 50nm Flash
Kingston SSDNow E Series

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Intel Gen2 - PC29AS21BA0
Drives based on this controller:-
Intel X25-M G2 34nm Flash
Kingston SSDNow M Series

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Sandforce SF-1200 Series (Client Processor)
Drives based on this controller:-
Corsair F Series
OWC Mercury Extreme Pro
G.Skill Phoenix Pro
OCZ Vertex 2
OCZ Agility 2 (with 10k random-write cap)
OCZ Vertex LE
OCZ Vertex 2 Pro
OCZ Vertex 2 EX
OCZ Vertex 2E
OCZ Agility 2E
Mushkin Callisto Deluxe

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Sandforce SF-1500 Series (Enterprise Processor)
Drives based on this controller:-
OCZ Vertex 2 Pro

Sandforce SF-2000 Series (upcoming)
SF-2300
SF-2500
SF-2600
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http://www.sandforce.com/userfiles/file/do..._2010-10-07.pdf

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JMicron JMF602
Drives based on this controller:-
OCZ Core Series

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JMicron JMF612
Drives based on this controller:-
Corsair R Series
ADATA S596

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Indilinx "barefoot" controller
Drives based on this controller:-
Corsair N Series
Corsair E Series
OCZ Vertex
OCZ Agility
OCZ Onyx
OCZ Solid 2
OCZ Vertex EX
OCZ Agility Ex

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Toshiba T6UG1XBG
Drives based on this controller:-
Kingston SSDNow V+ Second Generation


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Samsung S3C29RBB01-YK40
Drives based on this controller:-
Corsair P Series
OCZ Summit

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Marvell
Drives based on this controller:-
Crucial RealSSD C300

Sources:

http://www.anandtech.com/print/2829

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?opti...d=444&Itemid=60

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/storage/2...sd-controller/1

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post Aug 4 2010, 04:52 PM

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SSD Terminologies

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post Aug 5 2010, 09:58 PM

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QUOTE(Mr.Lonely @ Aug 5 2010, 09:28 PM)
can i know how is the performence of SSD vs hybrid Disk(momentus XT)?
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momentus i believe has 4GB SLC for caching reads onli..

so.. for read operations.. it would be theoretically as fast as ssd but writes are still HDD level performance


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post Aug 6 2010, 08:11 AM

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from what i see, its actually the combination of controller/firmware/flash that determines the performance of the SSD drive

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post Aug 18 2010, 05:47 PM

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QUOTE(Crazy.SoT.Gila @ Aug 17 2010, 12:59 PM)
Shit. Is my SSD dying? blink.gif

Benchmark for my Intel X-25M G2 80GB:

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So much worse compared to jinaun's! And what's with the 48195K - BAD? unsure.gif  unsure.gif
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use the intel ssd toolbox to check how many GB has already written ..

post ur toolbox smart screen
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post Aug 20 2010, 09:03 AM

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well.. here is the readout from mine

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post Aug 23 2010, 05:55 PM

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QUOTE(StratOS @ Aug 23 2010, 05:34 PM)
I just installed a SSD into my pc and reformatted it. Having a few problems with it now, headache..

-PC will sometimes restarts by itself.(Using normal HDD no problems at all)
-When i restart my computer, sometimes it the PC wont detect my SSD

Any sifu can advise here. Using a Corsair Force Series 60GB now.
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its a known issue.. you have to completely power down the computer.. cold boot instead of warm reboot

check out corsair forums abt the F series drives randomly disappear upon reboot
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post Sep 15 2010, 07:38 PM

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QUOTE(Sole @ Sep 15 2010, 03:29 PM)
Hi Bro, can i ask why i can't trim my ssd using the intel toolbox? I am currently using Intel 160GB SSD and upgraded the version. Hope to get your reply soon. blush.gif
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are you using the first gen intel ssd?

iirc, 1st gen does not support trim
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post Sep 17 2010, 11:56 PM

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QUOTE(zsnipes @ Sep 17 2010, 11:28 PM)
I planning buy 60GB Corsair SSD (SandForce),
is this good enough in term of speed ?
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corsair F series currently may have issues with certain pc conf...

pls check in corsiar forums first prior purchasing..
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post Sep 19 2010, 12:16 AM

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QUOTE(Onion-KiD @ Sep 19 2010, 12:11 AM)
May I ask, currently using Intel G2 80GB. I know year end will have new G3 to replace G2. My question is, will G2 can pair G3 in Raid? since their performance may vary.
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i think its the same principle is pairing 2 different HDD

the faster drive will have to compensate for the slower drive
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post Sep 22 2010, 11:09 AM

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QUOTE(dtdw @ Sep 22 2010, 10:03 AM)
err lol not me .. i was just telling the person before the post since he already has intelG2. there's two choice : raid it or get a new one. the less hassle and have trim support is to buy a faster main, and keep G2 as not-too-slow-loading-less-intensive-apps .. XD

>billy

impatient is the word. facing office pc with PATA hdd, and going back home with just mediocre SATA hdd, well that makes a very frustrating day. hahah
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i wonder whether trim is supported when using windows buildin raid function...???

i know when using hard/bios initiated raid.. trim will not work
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SandForce Unveils SF-2000 Series SSD Processors, Enabling Up to 500 MB/s over SATA 6G

SandForce Inc., the pioneer of SSD (Solid State Drive) Processors that enable standard NAND Flash deployment in enterprise, client, and industrial computing applications, today announced the availability of the SF-2000 Family of SSD Processors optimized for SSDs deployed in mission-critical Enterprise and Industrial computing applications. These chips feature a 6 Gigabit-per-second SATA host interface, industry applauded DuraClass Technology, an unprecedented 60,000 sustained random read/write IOPS (Input-output Operations Per Second) and sustained sequential read/write performance of 500 Megabytes per second. In addition to state-of-the-art performance, reliability, security, and Serial-Attached SCSI (SAS) connectivity enhancements, the SF-2000 family supports single-level, multi-level, and enterprise multi-level cell (SLC, MLC, & eMLC) NAND Flash families from all major suppliers with its high-speed ONFi2 and Toggle Flash interface.

"The market for SSDs is poised to experience rapid growth over the next few years,” said Jeff Janukowicz, research manager for Solid State Drives at IDC. “Solutions, such as the SandForce SF-2000 Family of SSD Processors, that enable increased performance and higher reliability in a flexible design will enable SSD vendors to meet the demands of this fast paced market."

The SF-2000 SSD Processor Family addresses the needs of Enterprise and Industrial storage markets with configurations and firmware optimized for each segment. These devices preserve the advantageous SandForce ”DRAM-less” architecture (no DRAM components required) which is optimal for dense and custom tiny form factor native SATA SSDs, in addition to SAS- and PCI Express-based SSDs when integrated with industry-leading RAID and Host-Bus Adapter chips on one card.



Additionally, SF-2000 SSD Processors feature:

* Support for advanced 30nm- and 20nm-class Flash with Asynch/ONFi2/Toggle interfaces with data rates up to 166 Mega Transfers per second
* Enhanced dual-ported SAS bridge support, including non-512-byte sector sizes, e.g., 520, 524, 528, 4K, etc., with Data Integrity Field (DIF) for true Enterprise-class SAS drive behavior and performance
* TCG Enterprise security with selectable multi-banded 256/128-bit AES encryption with line-rate double encryption for data written to the drive
* Advanced ECC engine correcting up to 55 bits per 512-byte sector to assure high data integrity and support for future generations of Flash memory
* Power and performance throttling options to support green computing initiatives
* Industrial temperature support (-40 to +85 degrees Celsius)

“Eighteen months ago, SandForce transformed the data storage industry by being the first company to demonstrate ground-breaking SSD Processor technology that enables MLC flash to be used reliably in enterprise-class SSD applications with world-class performance,” said Michael Raam, President and CEO for SandForce. “We are building on the success of our first generation product now in production with multiple Enterprise OEMs by introducing the SF-2000 family that offers significant feature and performance enhancements for our rapidly expanding customer base of trusted SandForce Driven Enterprise and Industrial SSD manufacturers.”
Live SF-2000 Product Demonstrations At Storage Networking World!
SandForce will demonstrate SF-2000 products at the Storage Networking World Exhibition, booth #413 (Gaylord Texan Hotel, Dallas, Texas, October 11-14). SandForce 2.5-inch SSD reference designs will be on display operating with 30nm-class Flash memory with both ONFi2 and Toggle interfaces. Other products on display in the SandForce booth include unique form factor products from various SandForce Driven SSD manufacturers with SATA, SAS, and PCI Express host interfaces. All SandForce SSD Processors include award-winning DuraClass Technology with features like RAISE to reduce field failures and returns, DuraWrite to optimize MLC endurance in write intensive applications, and a high sustained and balanced read/write performance.

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Sos: http://www.techpowerup.com/132368/SandForc...er-SATA-6G.html

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post Oct 8 2010, 10:00 PM

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Intel's 3rd Generation X25-M SSD Specs Revealed

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*** i think this is disturbing.... for X25M-G2 the drive lifespan is only 15TB max?? assuming for 80GB SSD at 7.5TB writes, that is only abt 96 whole drive rewrites!, i dunno whether this is something to be concerned of or not..


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post Oct 11 2010, 01:04 PM

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QUOTE(pergilahsayang @ Oct 11 2010, 11:32 AM)
Why is there so much rumors about SandFOrce chip being unreliable and have higher failure rate? but dont seem to find any factual article about this.
.... in the verge of buying OCZ Vertex 2...but kinda worried  sweat.gif
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pls check corsair support forums

http://forum.corsair.com/v3/forumdisplay.php?f=188

esp in here http://forum.corsair.com/v3/showthread.php?t=88341

i'm not sure whether its confined to corsair's drives only.. or it effects all sandforce based drives..

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QUOTE(hnr2802 @ Oct 17 2010, 03:52 PM)
in years, how long is the lifespan of an SSD?
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the manufacturer gives 3 years warranty.. so you should expect at least 3 years lifespan.. but

and iirc patriot gives 10 years on its drives... so typical life should be somewhere between there 10 and 3 years... (just speculation)

but since ssd is quite young in the market... its still hard to say
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QUOTE(marcus20125 @ Oct 27 2010, 11:23 AM)
Price Update from OCZ

OCZ Vertex 2 EX

OCZSSD2-2VTX40G = RM470
OCZSSD2-2VTXE60G = RM620
OCZSSD2-2VTXE90G = RM840
OCZSSD2-2VTXE120G = RM960
OCZSSD2-2VTXE180G = RM1700
OCZSSD2-2VTXE240G = RM1950

OCZ ONYX

OCZSSD2-10NX32G = RM300
OCZSSD2-10NX64G = RM480
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pls note that the *VTXE* model numbers is not vertex 2 EX series

*VTXEX* is the model numbers for Vertex 2 EX series

and your prices for the Vertex 2 is abit higher than the retail

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post Oct 27 2010, 09:45 PM

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QUOTE(Riddhy @ Oct 27 2010, 06:59 PM)
tmr i will install vertex 2 60 gb in my laptop any tips?

what do u guys think after 1 yr will 480 gb ssds cost become 200 to 250 usd?
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it will come down

but difficult to predict exactly.. but according to moore's law... semicon prices should be 50% cheaper every 18 months

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post Oct 31 2010, 10:28 AM

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QUOTE(@udio_jr @ Oct 31 2010, 09:53 AM)
Have a question here. Between the Corsair Force SSD and Intel X25 gen-2 SSD, which is more value for money? Planning to get a ssd to boost my pc's performance, please give some advice. Tq.
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corsair force series may have some random problems/complains from what i can see from corsair's forums and also computer shops

i'm using intel x25m and so far no problems for me yet.. and its almost a year liao IIRC
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post Nov 3 2010, 05:17 PM

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bought a Vertex2 for my MBP

noticed that the firmware upgrade size is abt 90MB...

i was beginning to wonder the SSD processor itself is a computer which handles flash management and RW requests from the host OS via some linux/vxworks/uOS

eg.. something like dd-wrt on artheros 9k series NPU

thats y its called ssd processor not ssd controller

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