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Jet23sky
post Sep 27 2010, 09:38 AM

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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Sep 27 2010, 02:10 AM)
Actually SSD's has evolved for a few generations since it was first introduced. The controllers were change, TRIM were introduced, fabrication process is now 32nm, etc. It's the same with platter drives, they started with IDE with low rpm, single platter then move on to the others. Hence, it's not the same and if you want cheap SSD's, there are also plenty of them around smile.gif Why are they cheap? Answer is simple, those are the older days SSD techology. IT and computer technology moves very fast so it definitely won't take 2 decades (not even 2 years) for people to come up with something new.
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But you will see the harddisk history, how long do the 3.5inches harddisk and 2.5inches harddisk conquer in IT consumer economy. It's not 1 year, not 10 years, but more.

It is true that we cannot predict the future, who knows after 1 year they release even new technology that even smaller than SSD. But you have to see the consumer side ( It will only get popular when the price is right ), if you ask anyone who owns the SSD, I can say not much of people purchase it. Even in US those guys are not even thinking of SSD unless those IT benchmark guys or reviewers.

A lot of consumers purchase harddisk primarily for storage and backup purpose. Since there is RAID technology, it should be easier compare with single harddisk. But those who has alot of budget, they can definitely go for SSD.

I have read the comparison between normal harddisk and SSD. Indeed SSD did provide good reading and writing speed. But guess what, this is only good for those video editing, large ( is very very large ) amount of data transferring, or other high volume of data might be getting benefit. I cannot denied that SSD can increase speed for booting and normal transfer, but with a few second differ, I don't see we need to purchase SSD which is 5 times (or more ) more expensive than normal hhd in order to satisfied for few seconds of performance increase.

Conclusion: See wallet pocket to tell the truth. XD Peace~~~ icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Sep 28 2010, 12:54 AM

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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Sep 27 2010, 02:16 PM)
You don't get the point smile.gif Let me tell you why:

1. You must understand that in a PC, there are always a need for non-volatile storage. As such, we have something called HDD (platter drives) in the past and now SSD (NAND-based flash memory). How can you compare in terms of 3.5" or 2.5"? It doesn't make sense smile.gif

2. If you think SSD is a new product then you are wrong again. Please, use google.com or wiki to read up about SSD.

3. The problem with typical Malaysians are that people are never realistic. We expect everything to be cheap, think and day dream that SSD will have a 200-300% drop in price next month (for example). It is also because of such mentality, people easily get conned and fall into get rich quick schemes because of their sillyness and foolishness. Look, over time when production is getting higher, price will eventually be cheaper.

4. Based on your explanation, you totally have the wrong concept altogether. Your understanding about RAID is totally incorrect. The main purpose of RAID is obviously not for combining disks! If you think SSD is not popular in the US then you're wrong again smile.gif You should join up some US based forums and look at their storage sub-section.

5. I do not want to dwell into how and why SSD is better than a normal hard disk but from the way you explain, I'm pretty sure you don't even own a piece of proper SSD so you can't tell nor differentiate. Your theory and conclusion is based on reading and understanding the wrong information from the wrong people OR you just don't get the whole point and picture of why SSD could make a difference to your daily computing.

6. No one is forcing you to buy. Everything that is new in the market is never cheap. It's either you are willing to spend for something state of the art or just live with technology of the past.

7. Lastly, it is best if you can find a PC running with a proper SSD so that you can understand what difference it gives.
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1. I didn't compare 3.5 or 2.5. just that all are drives that able to save your data and storage in an efficient way.

2. i nvr think SSD is a new product. ( You assume only ). That's is why it has been so many years, but SSD is still not able to rise up in the market, and yet everyone is still thinking of purchasing RM300+ 2TB harddisk.

3. Here is Malaysia. That is how the market is. I'm bought a PC cost RM8k last year. All frens and other relatives said I'm idiot. I do enjoy technology. But guess what. After use it for some time, I really do think it is really waste of money cause with RM3k I can still enjoy using PC. That is life. That is why people still hoping SSD to drop price. Trust me, it will. It is just a matter of time. ( This is what era, even LCD few years ago from 10k drop even RM600 only ).

4. RAID is used to increase storage reliability through redundancy, combining multiple low-cost, less-reliable disk drives components into a logical unit where all drives in the array are interdependent. I never say it is for combining disks. ( You assume it as well ).

5. It is true i do not own SSD. But do you think all reviewers in the whole world are giving wrong information? That is how I get my nice pc after reading review video for 3 months in total. I also know it can make difference for daily computing. But how much. Huge diff? How huge it will be? Could you please elaborate more on this? Cause I really do not think normal consumer really need to spend 1k on harddisk right now just can make difference for daily computing. ( Except for organization thats for sure ). If purchasing SSD is just to speed up games, processing daily photo, video editing, gaming ( Thats what all normal consumer do ). I think it's not worth it.

6. In fact, I'm not planning to buy at the moment biggrin.gif . ( and no one is forcing me too lolz ) You pay what you get. Thats all I can say.

7. I feel it does not necessary to do so cause all my frens don't have SSD. With my current pc spec. I'm really happy with it biggrin.gif

I have alot of feeling about this since I bought RM8k PC. It is not that I wan to make myself bangga. Just to let you know. Here is Malaysia. If really want to make everyone able to get SSD. It's either make Malaysia economy better or wait till SSD drop price. Man.. writing this is like flamming already.. shocking.gif I apologise if there is any offend. PEACE~~ icon_rolleyes.gif

P/S: Lolz, after finish this post, i only find out is you. Yesterday afternoon we chat about acceletro 5870 lolz. whistling.gif

This post has been edited by Jet23sky: Sep 28 2010, 01:05 AM
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post Mar 16 2011, 03:56 PM

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QUOTE(altimi @ Mar 15 2011, 07:26 PM)
Get vertex 2 then but make sure it's the 34nm version
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How do u check whether this ssd is 34nm version? Thanks.
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post Mar 28 2011, 11:10 AM

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Guys... I'm a bit noob in the Gen 3 SSD news. So if anyone roughly know the answer, pls let me know.

When will the Gen 3 SSD release? Cause I'm planning to get it along with the Sata 3 PCIE convertor. Thanks.

And some people mentioned the price will be skyrocket, but some said the price is almost same as gen 2... Which one should i believe?
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post Mar 28 2011, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(Racerx @ Mar 28 2011, 01:48 PM)
a Vertex 3 120GB SSD is relatively cheap at 249USD,but it's not sold yet.Even the Intel 510 isn't sold here yet.
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Do you have any idea when will it release? And also it seems like I'm unable to get PCIE sata 3 card anywhere T__T
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post Mar 29 2011, 11:48 AM

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Ok... Time for me to get Gen 2..... With that kind of price for Gen 3, i think its sufficient with Gen 2 speed. :S
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post Apr 5 2011, 11:58 PM

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I realize that even you dont want to install game in SSD, yet it will still force you to. I have 60GB SSD drives, but spend like 8gb on games. Why? Cause those DLCs, facepack etc are force to install in my documents. sad.gif
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post Apr 6 2011, 10:18 PM

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QUOTE(everling @ Apr 6 2011, 09:38 PM)
Larger capacity is far more important than performance. brows.gif
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Thats true.. And just by putting those facepack and installing Adobe Ultimate edition, already spent so much space. sad.gif

O guys, I dont know u all know about AHCI , I heard that if your SSD does not run under AHCI, the ssd speed will decrease like normal hdd. So have to enable AHCI.... At first I thought my SSD got problem. And I google it. Enable the AHCI. From 50second boot up to 19 second boot up! I cant even able to see the window 7 logo coming out XD
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post Apr 6 2011, 10:38 PM

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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Apr 6 2011, 10:29 PM)
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Use AHCI to enable TRIM support.

IDE vs AHCI

IDE mode :
read seq. : 255,1
write seq : 91.61
read 512k : 169.3
write 512k : 91.11
read 4k : 23.80
write 4k : 64.17

AHCI mode :
read seq. : 268,8  (+ 5.37%)
write seq : 90,43 (-1.29%)
read 512k : 205,2 (+21,20% !!!)
write 512k : 90,82 (-0.32%)
read 4k : 24.02 (+ 0.92%)
write 4k : 66.41 (+ 3.49%)
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My IDE mode result is even worse than you.... During IDE mode, the AS SSD mark only score 100. After turn on AHCI mode, it rose up to 300, its 3 times faster =___=
Jet23sky
post Apr 7 2011, 08:24 AM

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QUOTE(chenhui87 @ Apr 7 2011, 12:22 AM)
i fail to enable AHCI, dunno y??nid to reformat SSD into AHCI mode?
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You need to enable AHCI under the windows registry first. Then you can only enable AHCI under the bios. If bios does not have AHCI, then you might to either update your bios or install Intel Matrix Storage or AHCI driver downloaded from your respective motherboard brand website. tongue.gif


Added on April 7, 2011, 9:01 am
QUOTE(OC4/3 @ Apr 6 2011, 08:32 PM)
Why would you not install game on SSD?laugh.gif
The whole point of buying SSD is to install game/application to let it load in lightning pace in the first place biggrin.gif
60GB shall be good enough for basic application + 2 games or so
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It seems like my application is not basic after all XD

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post Apr 10 2011, 03:51 PM

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QUOTE(Hawaiiii @ Apr 10 2011, 01:00 PM)
hmm, guess i have installed all the drivers and the device manager does not show any uninstall hardware, the BIOS is latest version (F9) already, unplug the HDD and optical drive still the same. details of my problem >> http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1829509&hl=
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Check in your msconfig http://windows7themes.net/how-to-speed-up-...ows-7-boot.html. Whether u set the lowest or not. Hope this might help
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post May 18 2011, 10:45 AM

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The new Gen 3 SSD prices do have pretty nice prices. Its kinda shock that you are able to get it at 150++ US dollar or more.

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