Hi everyone, what do you think a guy should earn, for a steady life when they reach 30? Please state your opinions too... Thanks!

This post has been edited by Greybear: Mar 17 2008, 01:15 PM

u want to benchmark ur bf based on the result here? .... lol its very very very unfair

5k per month or per year?

30 years old. depends on what career path he is in la.
Some degree holder cant even get above 5k par ler.

one should be able to earn around 8k per month if he is in a correct path.
generally is around 4 to 5k per month.

anything above 8k is a lucky fellow.
ofcox a managerial post will get ones to 10k or more
~Im talking generally la~

No no don't misunderstand. It's just a guide. If he's earning below, will encourage him to work better. If he's earning above average, congrats him and ask him to keep it up I'm doing this for our family planning. TQ

TS!

5k should be reasonable. But it also very important the guy attitude towards his lifestyle of his earning....

oh.. a fresh grad now can get 3.8k per month. that is my friend's younger bro.

aiks... Im earning less than that... sien...

To live in a city, I think salary around 10K is just an average. He's earning ard 10K working as a consultant in a US company now. I'm not sure for this becoz he's staying alone now, paying all his own expenses, phone, water & electrical bills by his own, end up he's like saving very little... really wondering after get married next year, can he afford the whole family or not

I'm planning to stop working after pregnant, will only work again maybe my child grows up to 2years old. Worried tat we might need to survive in miserable life if he's under paying...

i personally think that there isnt a rule on how much should or shouldnt a 30 yr old man earn. it's up to the person if he wanna go further in his career path and in some field/industry, u can go waaaay higher...

as u said, u plan to stop working after pregnant and if u solely depend on the husband to take care of the family financially, i doubt that would be enough, unless, he's already rich by now, even if you have already plan yr budget/expenses after marriage, you'll still have tough time

i think marriage is about 2 person sharing life/responsibility together and to solely depend on one partner, it's gonna be a tough life...

i know, towards the end, it's a bit out of topic..hehe

I voted 10K

I personally think an above average person would earn somewhere around there by the time he reaches 30.

Earning 10k also hard to survive...my gosh!!!!...his financial is really screw up. How many ppl in the city would be earning Rm10k??????if too choose out of 10, it will or might non of the 10ppl. The trick is how to you define so call steady lifestyle?
To me, 3k can also can have a steady life!!!!

actually depends on the financial knowledge of someone.

if he dont know how to buy mutual fund. put money into fixed deposit or buy real estate... no matter how, your 10K value will diminish slowly overtime due to inflation.

it is about personalities towards their money. look at micheal jackson he is millionaire but now he is broke due to lawsuit, cosmetic surgery and etc....

so are u going to leave him if he cannot support the family?

Well of coz nope! Just tat if he can't support the family, maybe I need to work harder I'm working freelance now as a home tutor for primary & secondary group tuition, and earning ard 6.5K (is tat reasonable for me? 28 this year)

Currently I'm only teaching 2sessions a day(Tue&Thurs 3 sessions), each session 2 hr. I could get more classes to teach and save more money for future family d

10k for now? its steady, girl.
I worked for 2 years yet earning less than 3k.

gosh.. how I hope I can get over 3k. 1 year 1k jump oso cant reach ur bf's 10k income.

As well said. Its all depends on ur lifestyle.
10k per month is alot to me at the moment.
~~sure do.. the more the merrier~~

u can comfortably own a hse + 2 cars with 10k.
and again.. 10k is average? ur too well exposed to ur living class.
those with >2k earning... what r they gonna do?

both of u need to cut down on unnecessary expenses.
unless u wanna compare with ur higher standard friend, then 100k per month is insufficient for u too.

Hmm, I think it all depends where you plan to settle down with him right? I suppose you rate the sufficiency of RM10k income is for both of you to live in the US. As someone from an average family, my parents does not even need to earn that much for us to live comfortable in KL until all my siblings graduated.

i think the figures are a bit high.. considering a person at age of 30.
i think for all those have voted.. their own salary range might not be as high as in the poll as well..

well it also depends on the job..

10k that's too low ! i vote for at least 100k before turning 30

i think this depends very much on ones lifestyle... whether you are willing to sacrifice a current luxurious lifestyle (if you are having one) and save/invest for a better future?

also, earns per month supporting the entire family/entire family plus wife no need to work?

TS, you are doing pretty good yourself... 6.5k at only 28, also giving tuition is non-taxable, rich girl

RM1100 my salary.

Agree agree...... It's too high la... In fact, you expect him to earn Rm5k the lowest? well, for the ADUN(state assemblyman), their allowance is in that range....

If you really love him, how much he earn for his income is not a big deal...

To gal who want to live in Semi D, high lifestyle...... many kids.... Yup.. 10k is a must......

To a couple who loving each other, dont mind stay at normal 2 bedroom house... but important happy everyday.....

Hehehe....

I reckon more than 12k.

If I'm not mistaken, I had a tuition teacher who used to earn around 10 to 15k a month. Depends on how many hours of tuition he gives. He was around 40ish.

12k is not alot when you have a family of 3 or 4 assuming you (the spouse) does not work. This is also assuming that you want a fairly comfortable life and save up for your children's oversea education. I think with 12k and 1 children you will probably be going from hand to mouth for the next 2 to 3 years. With a new kid in the house, you will be needing alot of things to support him/her. Private medicate bills alone is not cheap!(nothing wrong with wanting the best for your kid within your ability). A small example, Think of how when a small company starts up, it will need alot of capex (capital expenditure) but after a few years of running, the company's cash flow builds up and it wouldn't be so heavily leaden on the investor's cash. Same as starting a family, first few years will be tough.

Alot of sarcrafice is needed. Especially on your husband side. Moving from singlehood or rather datinghood to family man is not easy. Got to let go some stuff he treasure... like a posh apartment, sports car, holiday, shopping, etc...

But best of luck! I'm sure you will survive.

This post has been edited by nonexno: Mar 17 2008, 07:19 PM

Ideal income would be 15k and above....

aw man imho the girls need to chip in and work hard as well not that guys are not to be depended upon, but you must never put all your eggs into one basket (i.e. don't get married then expect his salary to cover all expenses)

my mom' friend, all the savings share with the husband, in the end the husband spend the money on the mistress, even send the mistress go kdu and study... ou... char tou u__u" and then the poor auntie, in the early 50s but don't have her own money because everything tied up with the cheating husband, so sad oh

guys..
save money for future..^^

it is depends on the lifestyle of wive, if wive is housewive, then hubby gotta earn >10k per month
if wive is working then prolly 5k -7k would b enuff for living.

assume a normal house worth 300k @ kl with 2 cars and 1 kid, all are under repayment period

the old always said..

"公一份， 婆一份"

meaning, husband earn one part, wife earn one part to maintain household expenses

with this attitude.. 10k not enough for u.. don't burden him. You know what u want. so.. look for a wealthy guy which has 10k to spent and 10k to save. realistic.......

yerrr so nice "IF" i were to earn 5 k hmmm....

everybody wants unlimited money.... i think she trying to point out here is what is the minimum her future husband should earn after getting married to live a comfortable life.

all i can say is depend on your lifestyle. if u want branded handbags, jewelery and many other luxury items in your life. 10K is not enough.

if u want live a normal life without luxury, 10K is definitely more than enough.

normal life enough ba..
luxurious ...scare thief ...
poor scare no money...
in the middle ....mmmh..u think

this thread pressures me to the max...
next time must find kampung girl who don't care a lot about money issue and easily satisfied mwaha.

kampung gal does not guarantee she wont be like this too..
its either she will be needing an average one or posh.

u will notice her drastic change.

Im now starting to get worried about my future.
afraid gf will say the same thing like TS do. haihhhhhhhhhh........

I think earning 6.5 k at 28 years old is quite alot. Bravo! Not many people can earn 10k nowadays...but seems like everyone here earns alot. Ur BF is a consultant for US Company? What does he do...engineer...what type?

kampung girl now also very smart edy le..
u ingat apa..
now got internet edy le..
even kampung also surfing ..
haha

yet...org kampung more rich than town ppl..

Judging by TS' income n bf's income, both of u muz b having a rather posh n lavish lifestyle...

For me, 10k is enuf depends on how u live, juz like other ppl said...If u own a Proton now with 3k salary, once u get 8k salary, u'll want a Evo, then as u become richer, u'll want Benz/BMW then porsche.. if that's d case, even if u earn 100k will oso b too little for u to spend coz humans have unlimited desire...

Plan well n control ur desire, even a married couple with a combo pay of 6k can also survive in city

No offence ya

In Damansara Perdana household income must be RM30,000 per month.
If not move to Kuala Trengganu with a modest household income of RM6,000 per month.

I think every1 is not being realistic here....
IN average in around 30, a guy would usually only reach abt 3~5k depending on the qualification n jobs..

PLs be honest here, plp. Not much guys earns 10k by 30..

thank god i can...but same like hitsugayat said.....desire will really screw up ur whole budget...but what to do...sometimes really like that thing...now feeling rm10k also not enough after reading this thread..

Totally agree. A very small minority of 30 years olds actually earn more than RM5k. Oh well, this is the internet, anyone can claim they earn RM100k per month.

(but I don't doubt TS ... it's true that's good money to be made from tuition)

i think this topic is very subjective
how much a guy can earn is depends on the line of job he is doing currently
different line of job have different earnings by the time they are 30years old
the important thing is how u make good use (optimize) of the money that u earn lar

by 30 i can be a senior in academic line.

earning something like 6K+ including those allowances.

any takers?

lol

ps- not much but not that little. thats an average for academicians. just to be more specific.

RM30,000 per month? That's mean you earn RM30,000 per month?

Luckily I earn RM35,000 per week.

Hmmm... Thought of starting my post with this
" A successful man is a man who can make more money than his wife can spend. A successful woman is a woman who found such man."

By 30, adding in realistic values, i'd say 5k. Degree progs usually take 3/4/5 years, so grad at around 25. This dude has 5 years to improve his income. Initial income at around 2.5k, 5 years to double it. Reasonable?

I think TS is thinking whether to ditch the current bf or not and look for wealthy man.. no reply from TS at all.. poor guy.. but lucky for him if she leaves.. Should be glad.

girl ... 10k is not average ... he must have a very bad budget ... what car is he driving ?? at 10k he save very little means he is living a very good life at the moment ... if he is driving bmw 3 series .. living in a 400k condo ... goes to nice restaurants all the time ... dun say he save a little ... imagine the amount of money he can save if he is just driving lets say a civic .. ?? and you yourself earn around 6.5k .. i dun see why is there a problem with money with raising a family ... u can raise ur family nicely le ...

its all about give and take ..

my take home pay every month is RM 800 onli.....so sad...

Omg.. 10k also not enuf.. gg..

Hundreds of Millions of poor ppl in africa earn less than 1 USD a day..

less than 5% ppl in this country earn more than 10k.

An average chinese household income is 3.8k in Malaysia..

come on sis.. be realistic.. 10k also not enuf to afford a family mea.. walao..

no offence but pls think maturely.. Unless u're Paris Hilton 2

of course la 10k osso not enuf...

enjoy 24/7 onli...muahahahha

this sounds sucks


anyway i felt 10k is more than enough already...
but also depending on wat type of life style, future home, how many child etc etc that u want.

5k is more than enough for a average life
if luxurious life maybe need 10k lah

4 n half days working on hobby,
1 mth approx 12-14k pre tax, hows that ?
should b sufficient i hope

This post has been edited by bcktang: Mar 19 2008, 06:14 AM

yhtan,

do some calculations then you know that 5k is not enough... how old are you? are you working?

housing loan - 1200 (condo 20 years instalment)
car loan - 700 (7 years MyVi)
insurance - 200 (~50k sum insured)
petrol - 250 (including weekends)
toll - 50 (if any)
food - 300 (RM5 per meal, 2 meals a day)
parents - 300
how much already? RM3000...

you haven't even factored in your wife, entertainment, electricity and water bills, groceries, parking... how can you even think its enough?

5k gross salary does not equal to 5k take home pay... you haven't deduct, SOCSO, EPF and tax...

actually as nowadays ppl where got buying house alone... lolx sure got parent backup interm of financial... i think buying a house is base on salary..... if salary high get a bigger house , if salary small get a smaller house..... hehe i think i right now is the time save the money hehe because still got empty house to stay hehe....

Get a good girl. If u get married, expenses can share oready. Kao-tim lor..house u pay partial, wife pay partial..or...you pay loan 100%, wife save up for insurance, unit trust....if work nearby even better, car pool....

...aiya very subjective...enough or not enough, still must learn to be stringent. Otherwise, must depend on parents money...and cant be independant.

3k for a BMW installation per mth...
3k for a double storey payment per mth..
1k for entertainment and etc...
1k for not-working-wife pocket money..
1k for all kind of expences...
1k for saving...

That will be 10k... LoL...

HaszAhmad,

quick question... why would a girl marry a guy who needs her to share his "EXPENSES"? might as well not get married, right? i'm sure the girl will be doing better without another person's EXPENSES...

marriage is not just about having offspring... its about responsibility... if a guy can't provide basic financial security to a girl... then the guys has no rights to say the girl dumps him for a richer guy... blame it on himself for not carrying out his responsibility properly, that's just my opinion, anyone wants to fire me?

be realistic.
5k at the age of 30 is considered good.
7k ? u gotta be real good.
above 10k at the age of 30?
u gotta be f***ing good at what u are specialized in.

different level of salary, gives u a different kind of lifestyle.
if u are earning 10k but u are spending 12-15k, u are laying urself in deep sheit.
if u are earning 5k but u are living the lifestyle of 3k, u can save 2k every month. impossible ? well, i would say its all about the determination.
and yea, talking bout saving up 40% of our gross salary is indeed a real pain in the butt.

If it's family planning you're qorried about, I believe the right person to talk to would be your partner himself. In my opinion, RM10k for the both of you and a child is acceptable unless you are asking for a lavish lifestyle. At the end, what is your priority? RM10k can afford the both of you a low range family car for each of you, or a more comfortable+safer+bigger car for just the both of you. It can pay the installment of a outskirt double storey house. And there will be enough to look after the family. Afterall, if he has the ambition, he won't be earning RM10k for the rest of his life right?

Your role as a mother after pregnancy also involves mental support for him. Don't pressure him for so much unnecessary household expenses etc. If he is responsible, he will save some for a rainy day and for when the child grows up. Of course, that doesnt mean he forgets all the romance ie. buying the occassional flowers, nice dinner, holidays. Just don't do it lavishly or overspend.

Btw, if you say with RM10k, he barely has savings, something is wrong with his spending. Gambling? Heavy spender? It's impossible not to save unless he spends it all on unnecessary luxuries. Remember, it's how he spends it that's important now, not how much he earns. Someone can earn RM2-3k for month and still save RM500-RM1,000. It really depends on the person.

A lot of the replies here have taken in the consideration that everything you buy or plan to buy (i.e. a house, car, household expenses) can/will be funded by bank loans and borrowings. Obviously if you want to be indebted past your retirement age then I agree that income under 10k is sufficient. For below 10k you can pay alot instalment off (like what some of the thread replier say, even possible to put 2 story house and 2 cars on instalment). Alot of younger generation do not realise that this could put them in a vicious cycle and living in constant insecurity. Jobs can be taken away, house can burn down, unexpected high expenditure can arise (emergency operations as an example)... too many unexpected circumstances can throw off a person's ability to repay their monthly debt.

I based my previous post on earning salary to support your expenditure and have savings for your future generation. I did not base my post on earning a decent salary and put everything else you need to buy on credit. Certain parts of the world has hit credit crisis issue - alot of debt payers simply cannot afford to repay their borrowings! I'm sure this is happening in Malaysia too, if you notice the cases where Ah Longs pay people a visit. Readers please do not fall into a credit trap! I suggest people to log in their "real" spending each month, i.e. things you buy this month is considered this month's expenditure and not when you pay for your credit statement next month!

This post has been edited by nonexno: Mar 19 2008, 05:58 PM

my friend earn RM5k per month, he can save a lot....almost 3K per month....I don't think nowadays working people can save RM3K per month...

he stay at government flat...every month only RM50 for the rental...he use motorbike to go to office....no toll no parking...He got girl friend...also staying at government flat...

Just a comment to TS. If i am a gal, i definite would not consider How much the guy EARN? I would more interested how much would the guy SAVE & SAVED!!WOw, a guy earning 10k bla bla sound interesting but how much the guy will have in the bank saving?how much commitment that the guy still have to pay?Open a big eye to actor, footballer which earning how many pounds per week & yet they brankupt or own a huge debt of bettting, cars & etc.....

Secondly, i would not reckon to have to much commitment at once. If i have a car to loan, i would not rush to loan a house. How would you imagine if u have too much comitment at once, car loan, buy house, renovation house, marriage & etc. Dont ever hook into buy house & the next year get married. Unless u have a rich supporter behind ur financial aids.....

for my case... my education is fully paid by my parents... i drive my parent's car to work... in return i maintain the car and give them additional RM300 a month for household expenses and i pay for the internet...

i bought a condo in late 2006 with my gf... so am i considered having a rich supported?

TS run away already.. maybe she felt ashamed of her realistic personality..

by the time u got 5k salary, u already finish your car loan
don't tell me u can't save 1k? i mean u could have a luxurious life

he got bmw 5 series le ... sierramas house le ... hahahaha TS whereu gone

Darn, guys, just be rational. HOW MUCH YOU EARN is relative to each and every individual. This topic started at 10k per month? Whoa..thats a lot. 10k per month is really really alot dei...You can do alot with 10k. Have a friend who is married, both husband and wife totaled up only 5k, can own a condo and a car. 10k not enuf? In Kuala Terennganu if you have 6k still modest arh? You guys sure are big spender...

Hey gal I'm back! Modem burnt out last few days after the horrible thunderstorm... and I had my wisdom tooth surgery this morning, now replying thread with my mouth full of bloody stinko smell pain pain...

I'm not goin to do anything with my bf just the curiousity drives me to check this out. I kept telling him he's doin quite well but he seems like always telling me tat his frens r much better than him sound like he's not so comfortable with his current pay.

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Added on March 20, 2008, 4:23 pmYes he's driving BMW 3series and only living in a condo in bt jalil... but the loan has finished adi, thank god!

According to the kenji's reply, he/she really voiced out why I said 10k isn't tat enuf for good life in city. And I shall revive my bf's mthly expendicture over here:
insurance - 300 (for fire)
petrol and toll - 600 (client's office in Cyber Jaya)
household bills - 450
food - 400 (RM8 per meal, 2-3 meals a day)
weekends - 600
parents - 2000
Socso, EPF and tax - 1500
Total abt 6k gone...

This post has been edited by Greybear: Mar 20 2008, 04:29 PM

removed..............

This post has been edited by yvliew: Mar 20 2008, 06:48 PM

wah...ur boy friend drive BMW 3series ar? new car or second hand? what is your boy friend's job?? how old is he?

Yes 2nd hand about 130K 2years ago. 30yrs old this year and working in consultant workforce for an US company.

and wheres the other 4k ?

Yes he's driving BMW 3series and only living in a condo in bt jalil... but the loan has finished adi, thank god!

According to the kenji's reply, he/she really voiced out why I said 10k isn't tat enuf for good life in city. And I shall revive my bf's mthly expendicture over here:
insurance - 300 (for fire)
petrol and toll - 600 (client's office in Cyber Jaya)
household bills - 450
food - 400 (RM8 per meal, 2-3 meals a day)
weekends - 600
parents - 2000
Socso, EPF and tax - 1500
Total abt 6k gone...

So overall ur bf saving Rm4k. In percentage he is saving 40% of its gross income & is already achieve financial rule of thumbs. I presume ur bf is having a luxurious of life seing on weekends only spending of RM600 ....all this not included ur income of 6k......
So TS i dont see any problem will occur as ur bf car & house loan is alrady settle.
Hence TS dont wait anymore, just get married to ur bf.

At the current situation, it seems that TS should have a comfortable life if the income increases over time. By the time one hits 40, the minimum income should be at least 15k.

Having a family requires one to be financially stable. My family's household expenses are already about Rm15k a month. City living isn't cheap. Rm10k/month at 30 is above average. Don't worry But of course don't slow down.

Hi allornothing, thanks for your kind reply. You sound like more understanding my situation than others (sorry no offense to others' replies in this thread). Yeah living in a city is not an easy thing, especially if I wanted to maintain my current living standard even after married. Yeah he's not slowing down anyhow but always hoping for improvement he's aiming his promotion end of this year after he completed his credit hours working in consulating workforce, waiting to be promoted to the manager level and getting RM15k (allowances included) a mth is not a prob after all.

Well from my side, of coz I won't directly let go all my tuition classes(which gv me 6.5k income a mth) right after married, will continuing teaching until I conceived. Hope can save more money b4 stopping and definitely will back to tutoring life after my baby grown up to 2-3years old wish tat I've planned well what do u guys/gals think?

Wow, seeing from your reply, I bet your bf is living in high society.

Well, I prefer to spend less and make use whatever in front of me. No matter how much my home pay every month, it will never enough if I don't spend wisely.

So eating out cost you RM8 per meal ? Mine is never exceed RM4-6 for a typical nasi bungkus even sometimes I was charged RM2 with plain water. (FYI I'm working in Bkt Jalil)

Probably lavish is the right description for both of you.

This post has been edited by igor_is300: Mar 21 2008, 12:05 AM

wow ..

don't let up any income u can get currently
when u conceived around 5 months, many things u can't do, even with baby, teaching tuition also bothering much

greybear is bloody high maintenance, status conscious, have a bloody high societal standards to boot.

pity ur bf,,,

Oh hey nvm, everyone has their own standard of living (some of them never consider this before they start bashing up people for being realistic or whatever). I don't think you'll have any problem with the way it is. Your bf is saving about 40% of his income isn't it? How about you? I don't think you spend all 6.5K every month right? So you should have enough savings (your bf + your) if even if you stop giving tuitions for 1-2 years. Just make sure he get the promotion or at the very least increment of salary, I think it's pretty good to start a family and not worry about dropping lifestyle.

Morning feyhime, thanks for your encouragement. Yes I do save some money every month. Since I'm living with my family and just finished my VIOS loan last year, I'm able to save up around 4k a mth (after deducting those life&car insurance, petrol, facial, hair, mani&pedi, food, clothes, groceries and pocket money for parents ) planning to save (maybe up to RM100k) b4 get married, and another (RM50k) b4 I get pregnant. At least no need to depend sorely on my hubby's income. I still hv my own expenditure to cover for the next few years...

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Added on March 21, 2008, 10:02 amNo no olman, I'm sure everyone has diff lifestyles living in this society. It's nothing wrong to persuade my living standard after married, or even better and it's nothing to pity my bf as well... He's working on very hard not only to build more security to our future family, but oso to his own satisfactions. I believe guys will feel more confident if they r able to fetch a good job, higher ranking in comp and brighter prespect

This post has been edited by Greybear: Mar 21 2008, 10:02 AM

r u marrying him or his monis huh,

answer me now, the truth and nothing but the truth

Okay since you save 4K, assuming your bf is also saving 4K, that's a 8K in total per month.

10 months will get you 80K, so in a year time you'll get 100K.
1 1/2 year will get you the sum you wanted (150K).


Just make sure you save properly (i.e. no offsetting saving to buy anything), I don't see any problem with your future family income.


Cheers.

there's no fixed rule. your stability depends on your lifestyle a.k.a. your expenditures. simple as that.

that's greed main man,

lavish or wasteful ur call

olman...
from your replies i can kinda feel that you're not ready for a relationship:
1. don't blame the girl for her high maintenance or what so ever just because you are not capable of earning more
2. money is a major part in any relationship no matter you like it or not, it's a fact, don't try to deny it
3. the main factor in broken marriages are financial problems, 3rd party chipping in is secondary...
4. TS didn't mentioned that she's not working, she just wanted to gauge if her help is needed after marriage or not

oh. so a girl can't control her spending habits and the guy gets the blame for not able to support it?

how about we look at which is the REAL negative value for proper living?

anyway for me, i would just blame the guy for stupid enough to get a girl of high-maintenance.



yes, which is why both parties must know how to manage finance.

cheers.

I think what kenji meant was why go out with a girl whom you already know is leading a completely different lifestyle than you and one that you cannot afford too. And then whine about it...

Proper living is subjective to the individual current lifestyle.

Cheers

goldfries,

"high maintenance" is a subjective issue don't you think?
some guys likes to complain how their gf spend their money just because they pay for food, movies and entertainment...
their gf maybe wants a pair of shoes... the guy makes noise... but he's willing to splash 3k on a new PDA... for himself... so?

food/entertainment is just the basics and if a guy can't even do those, i'll question the guy's capability of handling a proper relationship

Hey Greybear,

Ur bf earns RM 10k per month as workforce consultant for US Company ? This is really cool. I also want to be consultant Ur bf must be working for Accenture...am I right?

haha. if you put it that way then it goes to what i said earlier lor......

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ok, now if you put it that way then i don't have disagreement.

get a girl who spends more than you can afford = stupid.
get a girl and make her think that you can afford when you cannot = also stupid.

for me, i always encourage healthy spending habits and finance monitoring.

and you're right about food and entertainment part. just that it has to be controlled.

i find that a lot of people some how love to get into relationships but later complain they cannot afford it and such. if that's the case, then again - stupid guy. can't afford, don't commit la.

Ahahaha so true XD
Want to commit then don't bising

why there is not vote taht below 5 k ?

What if i am 30 and just able to survive with 2k++ salary ??