15k?
if add up the income of the man and wife for 15k still reasonable lar (still quite rare this days actually)

cant earn like 10k by the age of 30 is consider not capable? damm i bet allmost all of my guys friend are not capable enuf lor.

nowdays u got a steady job and can manage you and your family income is consider very good already looking at our current economics
and ofcuz the guy or gal have to work hard and try to achieve a better life stlye la, but as one of the forrumer said la, dun jump into the life style u could barely maintain< this sentence is made of win