According to the post at Tomshardware.com rumors about RV670 being a Radeon HD 3000 series is correct. Tomshardware even posted a picture and other various web sites reported specifications about the upcoming Radeon HD 3850 and HD 3870 cards, based on RV670Pro and RV670XT GPU's.

According to the info RV670, or HD 3850 will end up clocked at 700MHz for the GPU and 1800MHz for memory. It will support DirectX 10.1 and PCI Express 2.0. High performance HD 3870 based on the RV670XT will end up clocked at 825MHz for the GPU and 2400MHz for the memory. According to the picture, HD 3870 will need a dual slot cooling solution. Same as the HD 3850, it supports DirectX 10.1 and PCI-Express 2.0. Both GPU's are made in 55nm manufacturing process and comes with UVD.

These are the long rumored additions to the ATI line to go up against Nvidia's best.

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This post has been edited by nagflar: Jan 7 2008, 12:53 AM

its still doesn't tell whether its memory controller is plain 256bit or 256bit ring bus memory...

It's 256bit external.

There's already a thread on this: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/537956

oh my gawd does that mean my PCIE 1.0 is useless dy if i want this

can the pcie2.0 gpu use on pcie1??
those who plan to upgrade i think need to reconsider again to shift to pcie2 rather than stick to pcie1...

Aiks ... Another high end item . Me 8800 & 2900 also havent use

wah.... maybe will grab the PCIE1 when the 2.0 is out... lol... I'm alwayz one season behind ..... cos budget man,,, budget...

You are a smart consumer!!! haha

I think PCIe 2.0 can use PCIe 1.0 cards, but not the other way round... it's good to see more goodies coming up from ATI, this will give Nvidia some good run for the money

so many thread bout this hd3800, mod i think u need to do something bout this...

hmm, i'm definitely gonna jump onto the PCI-E 2.0 bandwagon, but i'd wanna wait for Nvidia's cards first cus they look slightly more promising, i guess.

here we r!bek 2 the AGP scenario again!dammit!

If I'm not mistaken, you can use PCI-E 2.0 card on PCI-E 1.1 and PCI-E 1a motherboard, the other way round is of course can PCI-E 2.0 motherboard support PCI-E 1.0 card. No point nVIDIA and ATI come out with a card that use newest technology that only few people got! (*NOTE: PCI-E 2.0 motherboard only available not too long ago... ) But 1 thing for sure is, if above cases hapened, both will run only at PCI-E 1.0 speed la, like last time AGP 8.0 but at AGP 4.0 speed.

PCIE ver 2 offers more bandwidth that's all, I wonder will the game take full advantage of that?

The incoming RV670 is a trim down version of R600. Just done the spec comparison. I doubt it can win against the incoming 8800GT.

R600 spec:
http://ati.amd.com/products/Radeonhd2900/specs.html
The specs between these GPUs are nearly identical to each other...
except some minor changes.

BTW, there is a 8800GT performance review (chinese website):
http://topic.expreview.com/2007-10-23/1193114539d6255.html

8800GT is v.aggressive too.

but if the ati new chip benchmark is not as expected..they blame driver issue..

True but at least they work out somthing for us by offer newer driver which improve gaming peformance.

Please don't forget this is a mainstream card not high end. Glad they keep the best out of R600 and remove the unnecessary such as 512bit memory bus. Not to forget UVD is present here this time around. If this card can hit the sweet spot price, its pretty good card imho. And it should since this card is a mainstream card.

can wait to see both card on the performance against nvidia

Yeah, that's why some people actually bought the 7900s.
In time when the driver's done, you'll be scared s***less.

yes I did read somewhere that ati is fixing the driver , n when it done, the gc will be really kickin its rival's a*s..
thats why we see ppl still buying the gc although the issue came up

This post has been edited by khaidani: Oct 24 2007, 06:15 PM

haiyah all new born product will need 2 go thru the bad patches ma...u should b glad that radeon has opened wider choices 4 us...so all we can do is dun buy the new product so fast n wait 4 it 2 bcum more mature lo

Well... For sure that ATI's reference red PCB + red hugea$$ cooler + red haired computer generated bimbo combo is FTW over NV's sucky green stuff.

fan boy. I rly hope ati comes out a card fast to counter nvdia's 8800gt

GT is out already. why ATI alway late one . alway let nvidia lead ...
this start even form 9800XT. aiya ATI make haste.
business is who fast who get the market 1st ...

sigh...



This post has been edited by nagflar: Oct 25 2007, 02:47 PM

i saw in vr-zone.. 1st or 2nd quarter 08 will come out RV680..

hmmm.. whats the difference between RV670/RV680?

08?!

huh...so late...by then most ppl will grab 8800gt

Nvidia really good . not only at the tecnology of the GC. but also in markeing strategy .
ATi should really learn form Nvidia.

ati always lambat even when dx10 came out dia pun lambat

It's coming mid november. That was the old roadmap, which assumed they had to get a second spin. Things worked better than expected, so first silicon is now in mass production. I dont think there's a RV680.

I read in somewhere saying RV680 is actually a dual RV670 chip in same board and going to launch in January 2008.

In fashion sense, totally agreed.
As for the stupid pot calling the kettle black, have you even seen the MSI 8800GT? It's easily the fugliest card in 4 years or so.

In performance sense, read this:
http://rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33905882

Remember to actually use your mouse for highlighting.

ouch.thats gonna hurt babeh.

wao , this thread so quite , dont like that G92 thread , damn hot! now !

correction : quiet

This post has been edited by likito: Oct 26 2007, 03:06 AM

that's cus Nvidia is half a step faster in launching it, have faith, Ati will come through this time around.....i hope

typing mistake , quite -> quiet ..

LOL at the invisibled quote. Totally fair for 3dmark is for GPUs and also MSPaint adds accuracy.

from what i c now,its highly unlikely n with the nvidia/intel combo launch in january 2008,it is highly unlikely these 2 giant forces will b toppled down easily

This post has been edited by skylinegtr34rule4life: Oct 26 2007, 09:55 AM

These things will be cheap.

RM750 launch price is not impossible for the 3850. And remember, while ATI can reach these prices while still getting profits, nV can't.

G92 is double size and more of a RV670. Starts at 250 Euro/RM1200+ and doesn't really seem to be able to go down anymore- how much did 8800GTS go down? Not much besides the normal supply/demand fluctuation.


RM750 for a card that runs as good as my 2900XT? Damn, I'll take 2. By then it can beat *any* single card config, whilst just costing RM1500. =D

RV 680 = RV670 X 2.
RV680 is a single pcb with 2 RV670 on board...

actually I dont have high hope that incoming ati product win over 8800GT...
btw, new ver of 8800GTS coming soon.

honestly i think it 3 series will be like the old X series... if i were them i will call it HD2950pro... at around RM100-200 more than HD2900XT... to buy time and earn money to produce something better...

where you get the idea iit will be around 100-200 more than HD2900XT?

I'm LOLing. So the 8800GT is "cheap" and this isn't?

The Rm750 tip is pretty accurate for the 3850. Everything in Malaysia is more expensive (especially nVidia cards) so:

RM800 for a 3850 is reasonable. Should even be 512MB.
3870 should touch RM1000 (GDDR3), RM1200 (GDDR4, and super cooler)

Remember, these graphics cards are cheaper to produce than X1950 PROs.
Yes, cheaaapeeeeer. A LOT cheaper. Cheap. Get the idea?

(Now, let's see the nTards start spouting crap on ATI being "cheap". )

that would b fuking interesting

where u get the RV670 HD3870,3850 cost price ...

This post has been edited by likito: Oct 27 2007, 10:42 PM

Mid november? Damn I am so wanting this if it performs. Too bad I'll make my first rig in exactly about 1 year's time though .

About these cards being cheap... hmm isn't creating 55nm process hard enough? AMD sidetracked from 45nm and went 55nm first >.> .

This post has been edited by blindbox: Oct 27 2007, 11:05 PM

this could be exciting...RV670 vs the '8800gt'
or am i wrong?

i will wait for ati i dont like nvidia and no i am not a fanboy

i personally feel that nvidia is always business oriented.
coming out products for just the sake of consumers money.
not really into the benefits of the consumers aka get the full features/ technology.
every model of thier products not totally all-in-one, really makes u hard to choose.

guess i would have to wait for ati to choose my next coming card.

keke. nvidia fan, pls dont flame me, its just my what i see. ^^

well all i can say is hmm their G80 cores did perform well during the games that was released
and then later with the G92 will expect the same

Issue with them is their so called extra support and features

Purevideo,
SLi
their suck nforce chipsets that seems to haven gotten downhill after nforce 4

Ati on the other hand.. good card.. good level of details

cons:
very game to driver orientated
and until today i still thin catalyst is a really bad program and ati tray is better.

and the pros for the card would be really this
its overclocking friendly...

is that an educated guess or do you have a reliable source on the pricing?

hope it's true tho...even better if it's lower

wise step. but now all rush to buy 8800GT . maybe in their mind already the GT will out perform the upcomming ATI GC.....

This post has been edited by nagflar: Oct 28 2007, 11:31 AM

lol...we don't know how the upcoming ATI series performance...
So, they just compare the GT with the GTS, GTX somemore.

hmmm actually 8800GT do outperform R670Xt with DDR4 here this link ... but they say only... best is still wait for the actual card to release

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=c...d=3769&Itemid=1

the 8800gt generates more heat than others.
by going 55nm (such as RV670) will greatly reduce the heat issues.
if u look at 8800gt, u can see its 70 degress++ when loading...
its totally an oven if i put it into an sff...

This post has been edited by daniel_lyw: Oct 28 2007, 12:33 PM

maybe ati will counter with lower price u know la Amd

8800gt uses only single slot cooling system ... what do you expect?
8800gt uses only single slot cooling system , because 8800gt is more efficient and generate less heat.. not like 8800gts


This post has been edited by gstoh: Oct 28 2007, 01:42 PM

actually i don quite understand why ati cant perform. they have more stream processors, higher clock speed, higher memory speed, yet they just perform as good as other nvidia cards. wat is the theory behind this? any sifu can answer me?

btw, i am not a nvidia fanboy. i am more inclined to ati. i think nvidia only good in processing speed. they don look at other things. ati pay more attention to the image quality other than raw speed.

but nvidia's marketing is very good, know how to show their advantage in processing speed, and always release earlier than ati to gain market share first.

hav to wait until november, while the 8800GT already out. gatal la....

I am going to switch to ATI too. To me ATI is better for video playing I am not a gamer.
I have been an AMD fan boy since 6 years ago and I will be an ATI's soon.
Btw, Nvidia fan please don't flame me. It's only my personal preference.

and dont forget too. the 8800GT not support direct X 10.1 . and the upcomming ATI is support both DX 10.1 and PCI 2.0

good news. hehe

This post has been edited by nagflar: Oct 28 2007, 09:38 PM

Seriously,what I think if Ati could just improve their drivers for games,I'm quite sure they'll be performing on par with nvidia already.And yes I agree what technomancer said,as I also prefer the cards to be named HD2950s.

Beg to differ bro, would prefer this new type of naming as can easily see the better cards than the old names typr...imagine a noob seeing the 8800gt vs the 8800gts..will make big2 mistake...hope prices of new ati will also be cheap as looking or a gc...the onboard vga not doing so well...

well..i expect by going 65nm will cut down more heat. but real world test came out the other way.
yes true its use single slot. but if nvidia make the reference cooler as dual slot should be way better right?

the reviews shown are clearly 8800gt temps is more higher woh...
it really makes me think twice b4 getting it.

well i dunno much. for a sff. heat and space is a problem. Now i have to google around for 3rd party cooler that fits in a sugo03
haha

if the new ATI is not going to beat 8800GT, they will definitely lose out. how much cheaper can they be?

Quite a lot, because the chip is a lot smaller.

They should have add more texture unit to improve RV670XT on 55nm. Then it should be on par with 88GT. But it seems only like 2900XT performance which run cooler and less power to me.

Heard that HD3870 will be fixed at USD199.

This post has been edited by sukhoi37: Oct 31 2007, 10:31 PM

for rm800 its a steal!!!! hope comes out early so can give 8800GT a real fight...consumers also will be a happy lot...lol

many speculate this 3870 performs poorer than 8800gt, the only thing it can fight is the price.

Price is everything in Malaysia I am also planning to give ATI a try. So far after visiting a few friends, I would conclude that ATI's rendering is the best, no matter how many framerates 8800 series can ditch out.

Also a side note, their latest drivers are really working well in the correct direction, at least they finally fixed some damn bugs in their code Hopefully in 3800 series, they can do much better.

I just love it when people say things like that. Maybe your friends were using different monitors

for me besides price, the first best thing when it comes to graphics card nowadays is, well to apply to ATI's case

WHEN ITS GONNA ARRIVE LA?

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Added on November 1, 2007, 3:20 amwell at least 2900pro and above already support dxx.1 rather than 88gt with dxx

This post has been edited by gtoforce: Nov 1 2007, 03:20 AM

no, 2900 series supports dx10.

what i know hd2900pro i cut down version of hd2900xt, which use same chip.. if hd2900xt not support dx10.1, hd2900pro also not support
just new 3800 series will support

Don't think it's about price when they're going to buy a RM800 gfx card over a RM120 gfx card. If benchmarks from multiple games show nvidia's leading, I guess ATIs going to fail considering they've been making so many mistakes

Haiyo,people learn from their mistakes ma.
Just bad timing,thats all.

Now depends on what else ATi can bring out of the HD3800series. If all of the features doesnt make sense and the price is just like 8800GT its better to get 8800GT.

i think HD3850 can give impact to the market if the price really around USD 149

When will the reviews start popping up? Curious to see how it goes against 8800gt.

But can it be used on old PCI-E 1.0 mobo like my Asus A8N-E ?

shud be
the effect of pcie 2.0 is dual gpu setup
cuz unless mobo is pciex 2.0, then it cannot support sli/cf in pciex 2.0

the card will arrive in the middle of november frm a website i read....
holdin back on 8800gt now to see hows ATI offering ...
if this card comes out on mid nov then ATI will b 1st card to support DX10.1 rite..

i'll surely support amd this time, moving to two slot cooling is the way, darn 8800gt single slot is a joke..

just hope amd's price is competitive enough

you mean can't sli pcie 2.0 vga on pcie 1.0 and pcie 1.1 mobo? already got review bout 8800gt sli and it work, and so far no nvidia mobo support pcie 2.0
http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/468/


it the price tag remain usd199 for hd3870 aka r6700 with 512mb ddr4 it a gud price, but still lose to 8800gt in term of performance. and bout single or double slot fan, if serious gamer and overclocker they will cahnge to after market heatsink fan.. btw r670 based on 55nm architecture, it should be cold and why need double slot cooler... that kinda joke



This post has been edited by arjuna_mfna: Nov 1 2007, 04:01 PM

allot of ppl already conceded that 3870 will loose to 8800gt in terms of performance without any actual review, for me, i will wait for the benchies....and be hopeful for now

55nm is cooler, but it will never be cold

critics say it slows by 10~20%
its acttractive features would be native hdmi, uvd & more...

i could say its more like a all-in-one package...
how its does not as slow as what people predicted...

we will wait to its lunch

slow but rm500 who wins?lol wut

Critics = Fudzilla's assumption based on a nVidia 8800GT PR slide.

Thanks for the short notice.

Bro, from where it says that it will be @ USD199??

@X.E.D
haha... how u know i was looking at fuzilla...

anyway.. i do hope they are wrong...
its features are a lot...DX10.1, full uvd, native hdmi, more intriging is 55nm...
in theory, it gives u more headroom for overclocking, and also les heat generated.

With Nvidia's GeForce 8800 GT out the door and benchmarked, the big question is whether AMD's upcoming RV670-based Radeon HD 3800 graphics processors will have what it takes to compete. Specifications for the Radeons have leaked out already, and it seems like the fastest model (nicknamed "Gladiator") will run at 825MHz with 512MB of 1200MHz GDDR4 memory. That tells us little about real-world performance, but Fudzilla claims to already know how the new Radeon will perform, and says AMD will lose to Nvidia. Quite badly so. For the "Gladiator" Radeon HD 3800, Fudzilla quotes performance 8-10% lower than that of the GeForce 8800 GT.

Fudzilla says AMD will use lower prices to nab sales away from Nvidia. As it did with the Radeon HD 2600 and 2400 series, AMD will apparently undercut Nvidia, this time by around $30-50. The Radeon HD 3800 may therefore be priced under the $200 mark when it launches on November 15.


taken form some review site

8800GT can score 13xxx on 3dmark06
3800 8-10% lower than 8800gt
simple calculation , HD3800 score 11930+- (13000*9%) on 3dmark06

yes almost like that .

This post has been edited by nagflar: Nov 1 2007, 08:49 PM

source from Mydrivers.com

After this there maybe R680 to compete with new 8800GT next yr. By the same time they have to work out with R700 to compete with G100.