Yeah, that's why some people actually bought the 7900s.
In time when the driver's done, you'll be scared s***less.

In fashion sense, totally agreed.
As for the stupid pot calling the kettle black, have you even seen the MSI 8800GT? It's easily the fugliest card in 4 years or so.

In performance sense, read this:
http://rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33905882

Remember to actually use your mouse for highlighting.

These things will be cheap.

RM750 launch price is not impossible for the 3850. And remember, while ATI can reach these prices while still getting profits, nV can't.

G92 is double size and more of a RV670. Starts at 250 Euro/RM1200+ and doesn't really seem to be able to go down anymore- how much did 8800GTS go down? Not much besides the normal supply/demand fluctuation.


RM750 for a card that runs as good as my 2900XT? Damn, I'll take 2. By then it can beat *any* single card config, whilst just costing RM1500. =D

I'm LOLing. So the 8800GT is "cheap" and this isn't?

The Rm750 tip is pretty accurate for the 3850. Everything in Malaysia is more expensive (especially nVidia cards) so:

RM800 for a 3850 is reasonable. Should even be 512MB.
3870 should touch RM1000 (GDDR3), RM1200 (GDDR4, and super cooler)

Remember, these graphics cards are cheaper to produce than X1950 PROs.
Yes, cheaaapeeeeer. A LOT cheaper. Cheap. Get the idea?

(Now, let's see the nTards start spouting crap on ATI being "cheap". )

Critics = Fudzilla's assumption based on a nVidia 8800GT PR slide.

Thanks for the short notice.

OEMs (duh)? They buy in volume and mostly confirmed numbers.


If this makes Quad Crossfire in Dell XPS/HP Blackbird systems, I doubt people like you would still be yapping.

I don't think so. Anyway, I still see the GTS640 a great buy if below 300USD (used)
1280*1024 of course should get GT, but 16*12/10 is GTS realm. 19*12 is firmly for the GTXes.

Even with the new "faster/cheating" driver the GT is still slower.




This post has been edited by X.E.D: Nov 5 2007, 03:38 PM

As much as I wanna see my 2900XT pwn supreme (GTS *and*GT) in DX10 this coming November Catalyst update, I'm not optimistic.

I think it's not enough video RAM. But the tests show otherwise- it's clearly bandwidth limited, with 1600*1200 noAA working just fine, betaing GTS.

Enjoy your 320-bit GTS, still. It runs nicely and not that slow either way. Painful if you bought it at over 350USD though.

(Also, so funny to see that the 8800GT users going to say "Oh, AA doesn't matter now!". ROFLMAOWTFBBQOVERNINETHOUSAND)

320MB sucks as always, I advised people quite some times NOT to buy it, and get the 2900Pro for what's it's worth.
Like that actually worked.


Without AA, the GT has no problems. With AA, it just dies off lol. Now you know why nVidia wanted to get the water reflections in Crysis to update so slowly- less taxing on the bandwidth side.

Again, it's not our fault that nVidia's attempt at G92 wasn't as expected (even if it had a 384 bit bus it's not on the GT, and terrible, terrible cooler.) It's also not our fault that the memory was 2Ghz DDR3, not something more spiffy.

I don't know how this goes for the Radeon 3850 (same drop?), but 3870 should be much better with that 2.4Ghz GDDR4.

Dual 3850 Crossfire on a X38/975/790FX/790X or even nForce (xDNA, haha) = USD 340, aka what you guys used to pay for a 8800GTS 320MB.

(With 512MB, approx USD 170 X 2)

Should beat an 8800Ultra easily. GT pwn what?

Err... 3870 now has a TDP of 105W.
It's very, very close otherwise.
But at this point both GPU archs need 45nm + HKMG to continue using clocks to play out. That isn't happening soon.

And with that rumored to cost 300USD (or even moar), why is it even a big deal for 2 3850s at 2*170USD?

You said it yourself that the breaking point is the no. of power connectors, and it was in best interests for AMD not to get a faster "default" card out.
When you see the stock GT clocks they don't look *that* impressive too.
It doesn't mean however, that "Superclocked"/"Hyperclocked"/"XXX" etc. editions won't come sooner as the RV670 should be able to get to those speeds with a decent power module (dual slot cooling is there)

10% perf/watt disadvantage on peak load is nothing when you consider that their baseline is much smaller and power saving features do seem to be aplenty.

BTW AMD seems to be making a big, big, big deal out of Crossfire X plus the R680, so I think driver lag/game profile etc. issues would be resolved faster.

The 3850/3870 will have a cheaper MSRP than the 8800GT already.

Looking at last round, even when the 8800GTS old's MSRP was 330-350USD outside of Malaysia while 2900XT was 380, 2900XT was way cheaper in Malaysia. nVidia has always been more expansive even on the same MSRP level (in US) in Malaysia, and AFAIK, people look happy getting ripped off (see GT for example).

MSRP of this card is 220-250USD.

This is just pre-sale scalping. (just like what you guys kena )

Well duh, PRE-SALE. The card hasn't launched yet.
Wait until after November 16 I think, there will be vendors that go according to MSRP.

For Malaysia it'll need a little longer because the of the retarded scalping acts. But it won't be as serious as the 8800GT.


For what I know 3850 would be in plentiful stock so no price hikes, yay. 3870 you should wait for the stock overclock versions that make it perform closer to the 8800GTs.
3850 256MB has double ++ the performance of 8600GTS for about RM150 more.

Put 2 (512MB 3850s) in Crossfire and they will be slightly more expensive than a GT or a GTS New, but in crossfire games, definite win. They won't be that noisy nor hot too.

This post has been edited by X.E.D: Nov 11 2007, 07:37 AM

Considering the Sapphire 2900XT, a card that takes at least double the $$$ to make in terms of pricing, is now 280USD (official)...

Blatantly obvious.

This obviously has better fans, better RAM (0.7ns GDDR4, and actually good RAMs that hit 2600-2700Mhz), better power modules (4+1(?) stage), and can decode VC-1 WMA files in hardware.

Ugh... [H]ardOCP. Don't trust those nVidia shills.

I thought I saw a higher 3DMark score with a simillar CF rig. Care to turn Overdrive on? From what I've heard, the card is very cool and silent. 100% is of course noisy, but normal use it should be very silent.

No actually,

AA is now normal, aka no big performance drops!

At 8XAA it's faster than the 8800GT.

Should've rephrased that,

"Its hit in 8XAA is smaller than the 8800GT".

At stock clocks the 3870 loses a little for now (might be drivers) but OC 5-10% and you're even lol.

Put on 8XAA, and 5% is enough to top the 8800GT I think.

This post has been edited by X.E.D: Nov 13 2007, 07:30 PM