i saw in vr-zone.. 1st or 2nd quarter 08 will come out RV680..

hmmm.. whats the difference between RV670/RV680?

if the new ATI is not going to beat 8800GT, they will definitely lose out. how much cheaper can they be?

Price is everything in Malaysia I am also planning to give ATI a try. So far after visiting a few friends, I would conclude that ATI's rendering is the best, no matter how many framerates 8800 series can ditch out.

for me besides price, the first best thing when it comes to graphics card nowadays is, well to apply to ATI's case

WHEN ITS GONNA ARRIVE LA?

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Added on November 1, 2007, 3:20 amwell at least 2900pro and above already support dxx.1 rather than 88gt with dxx

Err... 3870 now has a TDP of 105W.
It's very, very close otherwise.
But at this point both GPU archs need 45nm + HKMG to continue using clocks to play out. That isn't happening soon.

I was really hoping that this card would have whoop 8800GT back to the stone age eventhrough I owned a Geforce 8800GT.

This is because I don't want to see another Nvidia as a monopoly like say Microsoft. Giving the monopolistic power will only cause the consumer to suffer.

The reason being there are not any laws in Malaysia to promote fair competition therefore there won't be any antitrust case. Malaysia loves monopolistic behaviour in all aspect be it private sector or non-private sector. Only one party always suffer = the consumer/customer/people.

Remember intel executed really well for the last few years.

Apparently they were able to block branded computers like Dell, Sony, Toshiba and the rest of the laptop/desktop makers using AMD chips. By just threatening adverse contract conditions.

That is monopolistic behaviour. It doesn't mean that who perform well or not, things to happen at a larger scale other than performance. May not be visible to most media.

Well, at least some people agree that monopolistic behaviour isn't good for anything other than the company themselves.

Performance I agree both of Nvidia and Intel won BUT
they should compete fairly and not put up several barriers other than performance and value. (Eg. like lobbying groups of company via contract not to use competitor products.)

Intel case was in both happening in Europe and Japan. It was a huge issue in Japan.  There was several antitrust cases against Intel.

Well, even if they did do whatever Intel did to Japan or Europe. We can't bring them to court because there is simply no fair competition act in Malaysia.

Also nothing is completely different, it is argueable from different perspective.

I agree with the idea that AMD/ATI would be able to capture the slightly lower than Geforce 8800gt market share if they were to play the pricing.

85% of geforce 8800gt price seems reasonable to counter that. Slightly closer to the pricing of Geforce 8600gt.

Anyone here mind answering a question that i have:

I am quite confused by all those technologies lately. Previously, when the 320MB 8800GTS was out, it was like the best hang for buck GC at that point. With 320MB and 320bit, it seems to last quite a while.

At that point, people are saying, there isnt too much difference in between the 640MB and the 320MB if gaming was on 22" and below. Thus, i have the assumption of the EXTRA 320MB was only causing it to be better when played in higher resolution.

At the same time when the poor 8600GTS was launched with 128bit, people are complaining why is it that way and not 256bit. Thus limiting its capability. Assumption from me again is that the bits are very important.

Now, when the 512MB 256bit 8800GT/ HD3870 was out, it beat the crap out of the higher bit, lower memory 8800GTS. Why would it so? I mean, ok, its technology but i always thought that the memory is only going to serve you when you are playing on higher resolution?

Thanks alot for answering..

8800GT: 112 SPs and brute force high shader clocks. Great speeds, at which you implode an atomic bomb.
3850 (which mostly wins the GTS320): New drivers are great, AA hit is almost gone, shader engine is optimized, plus the 2900XT wasn't THAT bad to start with in raw speed anyway.
DX10 has a LOT of RAM overhead. You need RAM everywhere. 256MB can't cut it (As for the 3850 256MB, it seems to be a nice DX9 card for the Palit price). 512MB is the minimum, and it shows.

Well, in the meantime, i am still waiting for the price to stabilize before making a decision. Rushing to get one of the new technology isn't going to be my ideal choice..LOL..The 8800GT look tantalizing but of course, i had a sudden feeling that there is potential in the HD3870. Need to read more reviews..
Nice and clear explanation there. Thanks alot. In this case, considering this fact, what might be the main/major point for me to look at when i was about to purchase a new card? Memory bandwidth?Shader clock?

Next Geforce high end part will not be G92 right now. It will use the G80 IIRC due to the need for high clockspeeds and the supply and clocking issues with the G92.

i certainly cant see any big difference that justifies "far superior" IQ in that particular image, what bullcrap by THG...

edit: this is what i call noticeable difference 3870 vs 8800GT IQ

but then both the images were taken at slightly different point in time. for 8800GT image u r still kinda far away from landing and vision could be blurred by clouds, compared to 3870 image, which is nearer to the land...

enuff the bs.. i have 8800gt and 3870.. in terms of speed during playing game, using fraps, 3870 has lower fps, but without fraps, i dun think i can notice it..

image quality, 3870 manage to produce sharper n brighter color, i dunno how to describe it, but those who manage to compare both, plz do so before jump into any conclusion that the difference is small..

the different is noticeable.. definitely.. i like playing games, i want to have as many fps i want, eventhough between 30fps and 34fps we human may not notice it.. but i absolutely like image quality on the 3870.. when i return coolice's 3870 last time, i felt disappointed with image quality on my 8800gt ..

so since i want both speed and quality, i bought 3870 crossfire.. nuff said..
both card got their own advantage.. it's u to decide which iis more important to u, speed or quality..

no more argue . let the read the review

http://www.pureoverclock.com/review.php?id=647&page=1

final word form the reveiw
Final Words


With the recent introduction of the Geforce 8 series, NVIDIA are finally able to offer cards worthy of consideration to those who deem image quality as paramount. Gone are the heavy driver optimisation; gone is hardware limited angle depedant anisotropic filtering; gone is a lack of support for HDR+AA. Since the 8600 launch a few weeks ago, there is little reason to go for a 7 series card unless you find a very good second hand bargain. But it must be said, in terms of image quality NVIDIA have done nothing more than catch up with ATI, and perhapos just nudge ahead a little (G80 AF quality can be better in some cases).

ATI's X1000 series are still a great choice as they lack none of the image quality features you would expect in 2007, you have HDR+AA support and HQAF. The only thing lacking is DX10 support

Speaking of DX10, we are no more than a week away from it's launch. With rumours of 24x AA (not full MSAA), who knows what sort of image quality advantage it may have over G80, my guess is probably very little, but we'll be sure to take a look in the next few weeks and update this article with R600.

read the full reveiw . b4 any comment .

if still got arguement . i have nothing to say .