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post Nov 16 2007, 10:59 AM

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Wow...Powercooler is adapting to Zerotherm instead of Arctic Cooling already..LOL...

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post Nov 16 2007, 05:26 PM

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Estimated price would be around how much?
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post Nov 17 2007, 08:11 PM

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QUOTE(syazone @ Nov 17 2007, 07:50 PM)
shoun't it around RM500-600? given that ( in review) price for 3850 is us$150 blink.gif
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Well, i guess with it being recently release, its surely going to be a tad bit more expensive. The 8600GTS last time was around RM800 as well.. smile.gif
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post Nov 18 2007, 07:10 AM

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Anyone here mind answering a question that i have:

I am quite confused by all those technologies lately. Previously, when the 320MB 8800GTS was out, it was like the best hang for buck GC at that point. With 320MB and 320bit, it seems to last quite a while.

At that point, people are saying, there isnt too much difference in between the 640MB and the 320MB if gaming was on 22" and below. Thus, i have the assumption of the EXTRA 320MB was only causing it to be better when played in higher resolution.

At the same time when the poor 8600GTS was launched with 128bit, people are complaining why is it that way and not 256bit. Thus limiting its capability. Assumption from me again is that the bits are very important.

Now, when the 512MB 256bit 8800GT/ HD3870 was out, it beat the crap out of the higher bit, lower memory 8800GTS. Why would it so? I mean, ok, its technology but i always thought that the memory is only going to serve you when you are playing on higher resolution?

Thanks alot for answering..
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post Nov 18 2007, 09:40 AM

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QUOTE(kmarc @ Nov 18 2007, 08:44 AM)
When I was searching for info regarding 640mb vs 320mb a few months back, it was stated that a few games already required more than 256-320mb of VRAM even at lower resolutions. With that in mind, I decided to get the 640mb instead as I knew more or less that future games would require more rams.

In terms of bandwidth, I didn't really come across any reviews that compared 256-bit vs 320-bit or 384-bit per se. I guess for current games, 256-bit is still enough, and that is the reason why most current games are not affected by those differences.

In conclusion, I guess at the moment, 512mb VRAM at 256-bit is adequate for current games based on the current mainstream hardware that is available.....  smile.gif
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Great. Thanks for the explanation there. I guess all the assumptions of mine had just gone to dust. LOL..

Well, its tough decision saying 256bit 512mb is sufficient. Its just a few months ago when people are saying how great the 320MB 8800GTS is and how enough it will be to last another year or so. Now, its barely enough..

With that being said, i am really tempted to let go of my 8800GTS and go the ATI way of HD3870 depending on the pricing. tongue.gif
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post Nov 18 2007, 03:38 PM

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QUOTE(irenic @ Nov 18 2007, 01:27 PM)
if cstkl is rite, than i suggest if u ever thinking of changing card, go for 8800gt, unless u wanna use multigpu then only u choose 3870..
Well, in the meantime, i am still waiting for the price to stabilize before making a decision. Rushing to get one of the new technology isn't going to be my ideal choice..LOL..The 8800GT look tantalizing but of course, i had a sudden feeling that there is potential in the HD3870. Need to read more reviews.. smile.gif

QUOTE(ikanayam @ Nov 18 2007, 01:48 PM)
The bus width in isolation doesn't tell you much. You have to consider the memory speeds it is paired with as well. Total memory bandwidth is important. Also, how the cards use their memory bandwidth makes a difference. Newer cards tend to be smarter with memory bandwidth usage. G92 has better frame buffer compression vs G80, so it can do more given the same amount of bandwidth. I'm sure the HD3870 has improvements in that area, amongst other things too.
Clearly then, you don't know how elegantly the shaders were designed.
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Nice and clear explanation there. Thanks alot. In this case, considering this fact, what might be the main/major point for me to look at when i was about to purchase a new card? Memory bandwidth?Shader clock?
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post Nov 19 2007, 01:55 PM

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QUOTE(ikanayam @ Nov 18 2007, 03:41 PM)
Simple, forget all the numbers because all that is simply theoretical. Just look at the game performance. But you have to know who to trust.
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Thanks for the tips there. Guess i need to see/read more reviews and start judging which to believe.LOL.. smile.gif

QUOTE(kmarc @ Nov 18 2007, 06:42 PM)
That's why I mentioned "adequate" for current games/setup....  smile.gif

Anyway, if you wanna let go of the 8800GTS, the only good reason would be to prevent further decline in it's 2nd hand price. Other than that, it would be advisable to wait for next gen cards. The 8800GTS 320mb is after all, still a good card.... Again, depending on how high your setup/gaming requirements are.....  wink.gif

If you're really "itchy" to change now, based on reviews up to now, the 8800GT is still a better performer..... In terms of DX10.1, not going to get much benefits at the moment. Even DX10.0 has no noticeable benefits at the moment.....
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Well, i am not about the let go of my GTS yet but seriously, the HD3870 is indeed really really tempting me. More than the GT. LOL..

Based on the price point, i rather keep the GTS and sell it off when the price of the HD3870 drops.. smile.gif

QUOTE(daniel_lyw @ Nov 19 2007, 12:25 PM)
I've just look into the price...
how come 3870 the price so expensive 1...
i though by the news, its should be cheaper than 8800gt...
tipu punya~~
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Just wait for the price to stabilize. It had just been launched and people tend to jack up the price a lil bit..Even if its suppose to be cheaper, i doubt it will be by alot though..

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post Nov 23 2007, 07:51 PM

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QUOTE(dk999 @ Nov 23 2007, 05:45 PM)
Quad CF.. isnt that overkill?
Not really beneficial to increase the number of cards.. performance doesnt scale as much
Black Edition and OEM same?
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Overkill?For normal usage, yeah. But for people who really needs to run at uber resolution, it is needed i guess.

Black Edition has unlocked multiplier as compared to OEM which is not.. smile.gif
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post Dec 8 2007, 09:07 PM

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Wondering here, between 2900GT/Pro and 3850 512MB edition, which is better?
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post Dec 14 2007, 10:05 AM

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QUOTE(ronho @ Dec 14 2007, 08:43 AM)
bro clayclws,  you mean DDR3 > GDDR3 ?  sorry didn't see it in the links....
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We always use the term GDDR3 for Graphic Card's memory. DDR3 are more towards computer memory (Ram). They are basically the same thing. The "G" only indicates that it is for Graphics. smile.gif
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post Dec 14 2007, 03:43 PM

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QUOTE(clayclws @ Dec 14 2007, 03:16 PM)
DDR3 has better specs than GDDR3. Compare the specs.
Ok, it might be different but i dont think DDR3 is the correct term used for Graphics Memory right? Just trying to enquire a confusion here that i have. I mean, many pricelist/suppliers out there are stating eg. HD3870 DDR3 ... but it was suppose to be GDDR3 right? This is because, i always have an thinking that there is no such thing as DDR3 for GC because the correct term that should be used was GDDR3 and to prevent confusion for some buyers, they just renamed it to DDR3 as it is similar to the RAMS. Correct me if i am wrong though..
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post Dec 14 2007, 05:53 PM

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QUOTE(Createmous @ Dec 14 2007, 04:46 PM)
explain more. hmm.gif
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From what i can see from the site, its more like a new 55nm version from ATI that has 2 GPU in one GC. More like crossfire in one card by itself... smile.gif
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post Dec 17 2007, 08:47 AM

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QUOTE(black^demon @ Dec 17 2007, 06:45 AM)
Kinda off topic here. So PCI-e 2 is out and we, PCI-e 1 users are f**ked? Dammit...
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As of current, NO. PCIE2.0 cards can still be used on PCIe 1.0 slots and vice versa. Its just like USB1.0 and USB2.0. You will only get lower speed if you are running PCIe2.0 cards on PCIe 1.0 slots. However, as off current, its not that significant. So, dont worry. At least by a few months..LOL.. smile.gif
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Cheapest i seen thus far should be CZone at RM799..
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QUOTE(sniper69 @ Jan 24 2008, 08:26 AM)
soon? HD3870 X2 la... within this week or next week brows.gif, with at least RM1600 price tag... tempting aight...? brows.gif
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LOL..I also hoped to get the 3870 after CNY with the possible Ang Pow i can get tongue.gif

But was wondering would the 9series be better than this. Of course, i have been in the Nvidia Era for quite some time and looking for a change towards ATI now.. flex.gif
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QUOTE(sukhoi37 @ Jan 24 2008, 11:41 AM)
i think you would change your mind after 9600gt is launched.
it will be retailed at lower than USD200.
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The question for me now is, would the 9600GT be any better than the 3870? Is it even better than my current 8800GTS?
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QUOTE(sukhoi37 @ Jan 24 2008, 01:01 PM)
stick with your 8800gts.
neither card will give you much improvement in gaming.
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Well, new technology is always tempting tongue.gif The 3870 is indeed very sexy.. drool.gif

QUOTE(skylinegtr34rule4life @ Jan 24 2008, 02:16 PM)
NO laugh.gif you cant compare new mid range with old high range tongue.gif
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Which is why i am surprised in the first place when people are saying, "don't get the 3870 first as the 9600GT is coming soon".. rclxub.gif when they are not even in the same league. Unless if there are any rumours/facts that the 9800GT is coming as well.. smile.gif

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post Jan 27 2008, 02:16 PM

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Guys, just wondering, is there any significant temperature difference for the HD3870 between the Stock Cooler and the HIS IceQ3 cooler?
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post Jan 27 2008, 02:22 PM

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Well, in that case, i am looking at around how many Celcius drop in temperature for the IceQ3 version compared to the standard one?

And whats the normal idle and load temperature for the HD3870?
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QUOTE(ahsiah @ Feb 2 2008, 08:33 AM)
Here is some photo that I took using my PDA for Sapphire 3870 single slot version.

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This is non-reference board but clock still remain standard. I haven't try to check the cooling performance but Idling is 43c with Vizo Propeller fan.

I haven't try to overclock this card.
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Single slot version?Would it be able to cool down the card well?

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