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post Nov 4 2007, 07:04 PM

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Something to look forward to in DX10.1: http://www.dailytech.com/Leaked+AMD+RV670+...article9435.htm

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post Nov 5 2007, 03:43 PM

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QUOTE(X.E.D @ Nov 5 2007, 03:36 PM)
I don't think so. Anyway, I still see the GTS640 a great buy if below 300USD (used)
1280*1024 of course should get GT, but 16*12/10 is GTS realm. 19*12 is firmly for the GTXes.

Even with the new "faster/cheating" driver the GT is still slower.

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Interesting. Most review I saw showed that the GT pwn GTS in almost any resolutions. Maybe newer games will show the above picture....... As much as I want to see the GTS 640mb beating the GT (cause I have one!!!), that would not have been an important issue as any games e.g. crysis would not be playable at that setting at 1600x1200. Wonder if the game settings were slightly lower so that the fps would be more playable, would the GTS still beat the GT? hmm.gif

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QUOTE(X.E.D @ Nov 5 2007, 04:14 PM)
As much as I wanna see my 2900XT pwn supreme (GTS *and*GT) in DX10 this coming November Catalyst update, I'm not optimistic.  laugh.gif

I think it's not enough video RAM. But the tests show otherwise- it's clearly bandwidth limited, with 1600*1200 noAA working just fine, betaing GTS.

Enjoy your 320-bit GTS, still. It runs nicely and not that slow either way. Painful if you bought it at over 350USD though. biggrin.gif

(Also, so funny to see that the 8800GT users going to say "Oh, AA doesn't matter now!". ROFLMAOWTFBBQOVERNINETHOUSAND)
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Huhu, can't try my GTS till I get home mid of this month sad.gif. Luckily I bought mine 2nd-hand. However, still really painful to see the value of top-end cards drop at least rm300-400 overnight......

Really interested to see what DX10.1 can do. I just hope it doesn't kill the fps too much..... hmm.gif


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post Nov 7 2007, 01:35 AM

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QUOTE(bst dude @ Nov 7 2007, 01:21 AM)
drop to ly today,a source from czone said next week sapphire 3870 coming with tag price around rm 1100.00
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That's expensive. With that price tag and ATI's need for competition, maybe the 3870's performance is better than the 8800GT? hmm.gif Any benchmarks so far?
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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Nov 11 2007, 03:52 AM)
dude u think u better check the prices
i already got the prices from all Ati partners
its more expensive than the 8800gt with no game bundle whatsoever.

its better u actually check the prices instead of hoping on the inquirer and some weird postings on some websites...

so far the 8800gt was sold lower than the MRSP when u see the OEM prices of those cards.
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If ATI 38xx is going to be more expensive than the 8800GT, how to compete? hmm.gif
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So, any real world benchmarks? e.g. benchmarks on current games?

Hmmmm..... so the 8800GT killed the prices for high-end Nvidia cards and now the 3870 killed the prices for high-end ATI cards? sweat.gif
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QUOTE(irenic @ Nov 14 2007, 04:56 AM)
act both are considered mid end only.. the true high end for both ATi and nvidia is coming i think.. why? bcoz both cards cannot really beat their previous best cards.. the 8800ultra and 2900xt..
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Errr.... was talking about prices la..... smile.gif

When the 8800GT came out, due to it's good performance + cheap price, 2nd hand prices of the 8800GTS came crashing down....... next time when people want to sell their GTX/Ultra, the loss would probably be quite a lot too. Looks like the same thing is happening to ATI cards. Not that surprising as this is "normal" in the computer world.....
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Don't forget that the 3870 has a dual-slot cooling solution. If compared to nvidia's dual-slot cards, this is considered cheap. Of course, we want it to be cheaper! smile.gif
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QUOTE(akachester @ Nov 18 2007, 07:10 AM)
Anyone here mind answering a question that i have:

I am quite confused by all those technologies lately. Previously, when the 320MB 8800GTS was out, it was like the best hang for buck GC at that point. With 320MB and 320bit, it seems to last quite a while.

At that point, people are saying, there isnt too much difference in between the 640MB and the 320MB if gaming was on 22" and below. Thus, i have the assumption of the EXTRA 320MB was only causing it to be better when played in higher resolution.

At the same time when the poor 8600GTS was launched with 128bit, people are complaining why is it that way and not 256bit. Thus limiting its capability. Assumption from me again is that the bits are very important.

Now, when the 512MB 256bit 8800GT/ HD3870 was out, it beat the crap out of the higher bit, lower memory 8800GTS. Why would it so? I mean, ok, its technology but i always thought that the memory is only going to serve you when you are playing on higher resolution?

Thanks alot for answering..
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When I was searching for info regarding 640mb vs 320mb a few months back, it was stated that a few games already required more than 256-320mb of VRAM even at lower resolutions. With that in mind, I decided to get the 640mb instead as I knew more or less that future games would require more rams.

In terms of bandwidth, I didn't really come across any reviews that compared 256-bit vs 320-bit or 384-bit per se. I guess for current games, 256-bit is still enough, and that is the reason why most current games are not affected by those differences.

In conclusion, I guess at the moment, 512mb VRAM at 256-bit is adequate for current games based on the current mainstream hardware that is available..... smile.gif
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QUOTE(akachester @ Nov 18 2007, 09:40 AM)
Great. Thanks for the explanation there. I guess all the assumptions of mine had just gone to dust. LOL..

Well, its tough decision saying 256bit 512mb is sufficient. Its just a few months ago when people are saying how great the 320MB 8800GTS is and how enough it will be to last another year or so. Now, its barely enough..

With that being said, i am really tempted to let go of my 8800GTS and go the ATI way of HD3870 depending on the pricing.  tongue.gif
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That's why I mentioned "adequate" for current games/setup.... smile.gif

Anyway, if you wanna let go of the 8800GTS, the only good reason would be to prevent further decline in it's 2nd hand price. Other than that, it would be advisable to wait for next gen cards. The 8800GTS 320mb is after all, still a good card.... Again, depending on how high your setup/gaming requirements are..... wink.gif

If you're really "itchy" to change now, based on reviews up to now, the 8800GT is still a better performer..... In terms of DX10.1, not going to get much benefits at the moment. Even DX10.0 has no noticeable benefits at the moment.....

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