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post Aug 22 2017, 11:52 PM, updated 5y ago

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Official SSD Discussion Thread V6


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Introduction
A solid-state drive (SSD, sometimes improperly referred to as a "solid-state disk" or "electronic disk") is a data storage device that uses integrated circuit assemblies as memory to store data persistently. SSD technology uses electronic interfaces compatible with traditional block input/output (I/O) hard disk drives. SSDs do not employ any moving mechanical components, which distinguishes them from traditional magnetic disks such as hard disk drives (HDDs) or floppy disks, which are electromechanical devices containing spinning disks and movable read/write heads. Compared with electromechanical disks, SSDs are typically less susceptible to physical shock, are silent, and have lower access time and latency, but are, at 2011 market prices, more expensive per unit of storage. The prices have continued to decline in 2012.

SSDs share the I/O interface technology developed for hard disk drives, thus permitting simple replacement for most applications.
As of 2010, most SSDs use NAND-based flash memory, which retains data without power. For applications requiring fast access, but not necessarily data persistence after power loss, SSDs may be constructed from random-access memory (RAM). Such devices may employ separate power sources, such as batteries, to maintain data after power loss.

Hybrid drives combine the features of SSDs and HDDs in the same unit, containing a large hard disk drive and an SSD cache to improve performance of frequently accessed data. These devices may offer near-SSD performance for many applications.

The SSD Optimization Guide
http://thessdreview.com/ssd-guides/optimiz...zation-guide-2/
2018 version, http://www.thessdreview.com/ssd-guides/opt...imization-2018/

SSD related Tools and Ultilities
HDDTune, http://www.hdtune.com/download.html
AS SSD Benchmark, http://alex-is.de/PHP/fusion/downloads.php...4&download_id=9
ATTO Disk Brench, https://www.atto.com/disk-benchmark/
CrystalDiskMark, http://crystalmark.info/software/CrystalDi...rk/index-e.html
SSDlife, http://ssd-life.com/eng/download-ssdlife.html

SSD Performance Charts
All SSD Charts 2012 [benchmarks] - http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/ssd-cha...hmarks,129.html
All SSD RAID 0 Charts 2011 [benchmarks] - http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/ssd-rai...hmarks,120.html
Best SSDs For The Money (Auto Update) - http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-re...hmark,3269.html
SSD Reviews - http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/showthread.php?t=150954

Reference and Sources
http://www.anandtech.com/print/2829
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?opti...d=444&Itemid=60
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/storage/2...sd-controller/1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid-state_drive

Common SSD Firmware and Updates
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Some Tutorials & FAQs about SSD (Solid State Drive)

Updated on 23 August 2017
Some corrections on the answers provided from websites

So what is it that makes an SSD so much faster than an HDD?
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I have read that SSDs have very limited write cycles, and they don't last long. Is this true?
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I have read that SSDs slow down after prolonged use. Is this true?
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How does Internal Secure Erase work on an SSD?
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Over-provisioning. What is it, and how does it work?
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Why do smaller capacity SSDs tend to be slower than higher capacity drives?
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What about services or programs in my operating system such as indexing, pre-fetching, write-caching, defrag etc?
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What is TRIM?
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What settings do I need to adjust in my system BIOS for optimal SSD performance?
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Are SSDs compatible with SATA I & II ?
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What is the difference between SLC and MLC flash memory chips?
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If I'm using an older OS such as Vista or XP, will I still get the performance benefits of SSDs?
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What is the life expectancy of my SSD?
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How can I move my data onto my new SSD?
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How long will my SSD last?
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Does benchmarking my SSD decrease lifespan?
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Will my SSD get hot?
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Do I need to format my SSD? Why doesn't the drive appear in "My Computer" (Windows) or in "Finder" (Mac)?
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How do I find out the firmware version on my SSD?
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Reference Links
1. http://club.myce.com/f138/what-ssd-ssd-faq-297856/
2. http://ocz.com/consumer/ssd-guide/ssd-faqs

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The FAQs continue on here with YouTube videos.
I do realize sometimes it is hard to understand by just read all of the sources through websites/articles. So some short videos are provided below, and hope that they can help to save you some time by just watching tongue.gif .

What is Intel Optane?
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SSD Flash Memory - MLC, TLC, and SLC
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3D NAND as Fast As Possible
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The Intel SSD Advantage
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SSD vs Hard Drive Performance
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Windows 7 install and SSD upgrade
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How to properly configure the SSD as boot drive and HDD as storage drive
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How to Transfer your Boot Drive to your New Intel SSD - Data Migration
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What is TRIM and Why Does Your SSD Need It?
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The benefits of using a SSD
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Anyone knows who is the Malaysia official distributor for Samsung SSD?
My 950 Pro is starting to show it's defect, it's causing my FreeSync monitor to flicker
The screen will flicker everytime the HDD LED is blinking showing there's an activity on the SSD

After switching to 960 Pro, the flickering completely stop sweat.gif
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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Aug 23 2017, 11:02 AM)
Anyone knows who is the Malaysia official distributor for Samsung SSD?
My 950 Pro is starting to show it's defect, it's causing my FreeSync monitor to flicker
The screen will flicker everytime the HDD LED is blinking showing there's an activity on the SSD

After switching to 960 Pro, the flickering completely stop sweat.gif
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about samsung official distributors, not really sure about this. maybe it's servex, https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/505086 afaik, samsung always redirected its users back to the shop they got their ssds. so alternatively you can find shops that offer paid rma service support, like idealtech iinm.

hm flickering effects on display.. i haven't experienced it with the old sm951 and newer 960 evo.

when i looked this up, it looked like it's not a common problem, and might be related to other things like os (w10) did you do a clean install to make sure?
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QUOTE(horns @ Aug 23 2017, 01:09 PM)
when i looked this up, it looked like it's not a common problem, and might be related to other things like os (w10) did you do a clean install to make sure?
I've tried everything, including changing my platform from Z97 (LGA 1150) to X99 (LGA 2011) & switching to Windows 7

As I've mentioned earlier, the flickering stops immediately after I switch to 960 Pro
Also tested with a normal 2.5" SATA SSD, the flickering stops too, and when I re-installed the 950 Pro, the flickering comes back
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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Aug 23 2017, 01:19 PM)
I've tried everything, including changing my platform from Z97 (LGA 1150) to X99 (LGA 2011) & switching to Windows 7

As I've mentioned earlier, the flickering stops immediately after I switch to 960 Pro
Also tested with a normal 2.5" SATA SSD, the flickering stops too, and when I re-installed the 950 Pro, the flickering comes back
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wow you have done some many things to make sure ok got it lol

looks like it really is samsung 950 pro's issue. a pretty weird one. it's also weird that no one with 950 pro reported this before. there must be something that caused this to happen.

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Have tried with different monitors?
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QUOTE(Lurker @ Aug 23 2017, 01:52 PM)
Have tried with different monitors?
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good point.

this case actually made me very curious about the actual culprit. if it's really the monitor, then how come 960x are not affected?
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QUOTE(Lurker @ Aug 23 2017, 01:52 PM)
Have tried with different monitors?
I did. AOC technician came to my house and brought a new replacement unit (still sealed) + a different model of FreeSync monitor and the flickering is still there when I use my 950 Pro

I know it's weird but as I've mentioned earlier, the problem stops immediately when I switch to 960 Pro
It's been 2 days ever since I made the switch to 960 Pro and the flickering still hasn't come back. Tested running multiple games, the monitor is still running perfectly
Inside both SSD has fresh copy of Windows 10, also tested with multiple version of AMD drivers

Also bought a new unit of RX 550 to test the monitor because my first thought is that my R9 390X is faulty

PS: The only thing I haven't tried is using a different PSU (currently running on Corsair RM850i), but ever since 960 Pro has stopped the flickering, I malas nak test already laugh.gif

I understand both of you may think "what does SSD has anything to do with the monitor?"
I used to think that way too, but alas it still happens LOL laugh.gif
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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Aug 23 2017, 02:32 PM)
I did. AOC technician came to my house and brought a new replacement unit (still sealed) + a different model of FreeSync monitor and the flickering is still there when I use my 950 Pro

I know it's weird but as I've mentioned earlier, the problem stops immediately when I switch to 960 Pro
It's been 2 days ever since I made the switch to 960 Pro and the flickering still hasn't come back. Tested running multiple games, the monitor is still running perfectly
Inside both SSD has fresh copy of Windows 10, also tested with multiple version of AMD drivers

Also bought a new unit of RX 550 to test the monitor because my first thought is that my R9 390X is faulty

PS: The only thing I haven't tried is using a different PSU (currently running on Corsair RM850i), but ever since 960 Pro has stopped the flickering, I malas nak test already laugh.gif

I understand both of you may think "what does SSD has anything to do with the monitor?"
I used to think that way too, but alas it still happens LOL laugh.gif
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you are right i do have that doubt lol but i think it might relate to freesync monitors only. i don't have freesync monitors. i only have those with gsync and standard, and 960x for now so i cannot help confirm this

edit: however it's really weird these new techs can still create conflicts such as this one. thanks for this heads up anyway. it's really a good fiind imo

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I spoke too soon sweat.gif
Just when I arrive home, the flickering is back
So the 950 Pro is not at fault here

The flickering only happens when I enable FreeSync. If I disable it in AMD Radeon Settings, the flickering is gone, but what's the use of buying a FreeSync monitor then?
The monitor runs perfectly within the first month when I bought it
Then AOC replaced it with a new unit, also they brought another FreeSync monitor (different model) to test, the flickering is still there

Then I tested the monitor with a different computer, the flickering doesn't happen at all, so I know it's my system
The last thing I haven't tried is testing it with a different power supply. Could it be my PSU that's causing this? rclxub.gif
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Sounds pretty frustrating with all the $$ plonked down. Hope u able to get it solved soon.


Inb4 plz switch to green gsync
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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Aug 23 2017, 02:32 PM)
I did. AOC technician came to my house and brought a new replacement unit (still sealed) + a different model of FreeSync monitor and the flickering is still there when I use my 950 Pro

I know it's weird but as I've mentioned earlier, the problem stops immediately when I switch to 960 Pro
It's been 2 days ever since I made the switch to 960 Pro and the flickering still hasn't come back. Tested running multiple games, the monitor is still running perfectly
Inside both SSD has fresh copy of Windows 10, also tested with multiple version of AMD drivers

Also bought a new unit of RX 550 to test the monitor because my first thought is that my R9 390X is faulty

PS: The only thing I haven't tried is using a different PSU (currently running on Corsair RM850i), but ever since 960 Pro has stopped the flickering, I malas nak test already laugh.gif

I understand both of you may think "what does SSD has anything to do with the monitor?"
I used to think that way too, but alas it still happens LOL laugh.gif
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you can take a look at this, might be relevant

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QUOTE(Lurker @ Aug 23 2017, 08:45 PM)
Inb4 plz switch to green gsync
To be honest, I've been thinking of going down that road myself
But to switch to G-Sync monitor + 1080Ti, is going to involve a lot of money

I've banned Nvidia a few years ago when 2 of my GTX 260 couldn't SLI properly no matter how many hardwares I've changed
Perhaps it's time to give the green camp another try
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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Aug 23 2017, 09:17 PM)
To be honest, I've been thinking of going down that road myself
But to switch to G-Sync monitor + 1080Ti, is going to involve a lot of money

I've banned Nvidia a few years ago when 2 of my GTX 260 couldn't SLI properly no matter how many hardwares I've changed
Perhaps it's time to give the green camp another try
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SLI & Crossfire are not looking good for both sides in recent years.

By the way, I'm still NVIDIA fanboy. icon_rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Aug 23 2017, 08:10 PM)
I spoke too soon sweat.gif
Just when I arrive home, the flickering is back
So the 950 Pro is not at fault here

The flickering only happens when I enable FreeSync. If I disable it in AMD Radeon Settings, the flickering is gone, but what's the use of buying a FreeSync monitor then?
The monitor runs perfectly within the first month when I bought it
Then AOC replaced it with a new unit, also they brought another FreeSync monitor (different model) to test, the flickering is still there

Then I tested the monitor with a different computer, the flickering doesn't happen at all, so I know it's my system
The last thing I haven't tried is testing it with a different power supply. Could it be my PSU that's causing this? rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Aug 23 2017, 08:47 PM)
you can take a look at this, might be relevant
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it's the freesync after all; more like flickersync now :/

QUOTE(sHawTY @ Aug 23 2017, 09:17 PM)
To be honest, I've been thinking of going down that road myself
But to switch to G-Sync monitor + 1080Ti, is going to involve a lot of money

I've banned Nvidia a few years ago when 2 of my GTX 260 couldn't SLI properly no matter how many hardwares I've changed
Perhaps it's time to give the green camp another try
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come come! here is very green, and stable, and nice lol

damn i am in the middle of planning an upgrade to a threadripper system for a change (already 10k+ just for cpu, mobo, ram and cpu cooler; my first personal computer with 128gb ram lol) this actually makes me think again :/

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QUOTE(horns @ Aug 23 2017, 10:19 PM)
it's the freesync after all; more like flickersync now :/
I doubt that, because the monitor was running fine the first month I bought it
The problem started 4 days after I switch my casing from Phanteks Enthoo Luxe to Cooler Master HAF XB EVO
Now no matter what I tried, the issue is still there. Except changing PSU & going back to the previous casing I used. Really don't like vertical casing, that's why I decided to use the HAF XB EVO, but the percentage of a casing causing the flickering is 1 in a million. It's just a casing after all, and I've tried disconnecting all the cables from the casing but the flickering is still there so it's definitely not the casing
QUOTE(g104 @ Aug 23 2017, 10:02 PM)
SLI & Crossfire are not looking good for both sides in recent years.

By the way, I'm still NVIDIA fanboy.  icon_rolleyes.gif
Let's get back to topic
This is an SSD thread after all laugh.gif

Thank god my 950 Pro is not the cause of the issue

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QUOTE(horns @ Aug 23 2017, 10:19 PM)
it's the freesync after all; more like flickersync now :/
come come! here is very green, and stable, and nice lol

damn i am in the middle of planning an upgrade to a threadripper system for a change (already 10k+ just for cpu, mobo, ram and cpu cooler; my first personal computer with 128gb ram lol) this actually makes me think again :/
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i want to upgrade too, but considering my setup is already overkill for mainly what it does.. sweat.gif

better just stay on it, its working fine afterall. except my CPU is rather hot in an mITX form
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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Aug 23 2017, 10:20 PM)
I doubt that, because the monitor was running fine the first month I bought it
The problem started 4 days after I switch my casing from Phanteks Enthoo Luxe to Cooler Master HAF XB EVO
Now no matter what I tried, the issue is still there. Except changing PSU & going back to the previous casing I used. Really don't like vertical casing, that's why I decided  to use the HAF XB EVO, but the percentage of a casing causing the flickering is 1 in a million. It's just a casing after all, and I've tried disconnecting all the cables from the casing but the flickering is still there so it's definitely not the casing

Let's get back to topic
This is an SSD thread after all laugh.gif

Thank god my 950 Pro is not the cause of the issue
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hopefully everything will be fine for you. yeah luckily it's not the issue of 950 pro smile.gif

QUOTE(marfccy @ Aug 23 2017, 10:36 PM)
i want to upgrade too, but considering my setup is already overkill for mainly what it does.. sweat.gif

better just stay on it, its working fine afterall. except my CPU is rather hot in an mITX form
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i need more horse power for work at home. if it's not about work i will not get 960 pro actually lol (i'm actually very happy with sm951 already)

for gaming 4790k is still ok; gpu is more important.

oh a note about ssd and work (with work loads that involve intensive writes): always choose mlc ssds for this. i noticed total host writes are relatively higher with tlc drives compared to mlc drives.

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QUOTE(horns @ Aug 23 2017, 11:49 PM)
hopefully everything will be fine for you. yeah luckily it's not the issue of 950 pro smile.gif
i need more horse power for work at home. if it's not about work i will not get 960 pro actually lol (i'm actually very happy with sm951 already)

for gaming 4790k is still ok; gpu is more important.

oh a note about ssd and work (with work loads that involve intensive writes): always choose mlc ssds for this. i noticed total host writes are relatively higher with tlc drives compared to mlc drives.
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TLC chugs once the SLC cache is filled, thats how bad TLC is in terms of performance consistency

so far all TLC drives point towards fast and burst power, but fails compared to MLC in terms of sustained performance

yeah good CPU. just hot af sweat.gif

using Noctua L9x65, idling at like 45-55C. but at least doesnt exceed 95C for load. this is on Giga's default setting for CPU, where it can chug up to 140W at its peak. i reach 95C point with even 104W
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does corsair still sell ssd locally?
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Aug 24 2017, 12:10 AM)
TLC chugs once the SLC cache is filled, thats how bad TLC is in terms of performance consistency

so far all TLC drives point towards fast and burst power, but fails compared to MLC in terms of sustained performance

yeah good CPU. just hot af sweat.gif

using Noctua L9x65, idling at like 45-55C. but at least doesnt exceed 95C for load. this is on Giga's default setting for CPU, where it can chug up to 140W at its peak. i reach 95C point with even 104W
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yeah tlc drives are really meant for client usage, or those with a lot of reads but relatively few writes. in those areas, they will do fine.

i wonder what will happen when qlc drives start to populate.

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for cpu, go water if possible; invest on at least a 240 aio. my cpu is always at 35c at idle, and still below 75c under long-hour gaming sessions and loads after all the years.

(it's the same aio; never changed it; i do maintain it like annually to clean up rad and fans for dust)





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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Aug 24 2017, 12:18 AM)
does corsair still sell ssd locally?
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i think they do. i still can find it at idealtech's priice list.
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QUOTE(horns @ Aug 24 2017, 12:49 AM)
yeah tlc drives are really meant for client usage, or those with a lot of reads but relatively few writes. in those areas, they will do fine.

i wonder what will happen when qlc drives start to populate.

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for cpu, go water if possible; invest on at least a 240 aio. my cpu is always at 35c at idle, and still below 75c under long-hour gaming sessions and loads after all the years.

(it's the same aio; never changed it; i do maintain it like annually to clean up rad and fans for dust)
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mITX case laugh.gif

could squash it in, but a very tight fit

but for the price i paid for the noctua.. i couldve went AIO 120mm like H45 :sweat

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QUOTE(marfccy @ Aug 24 2017, 01:38 AM)
mITX case laugh.gif

could squash it in, but a very tight fit

but for the price i paid for the noctua.. i couldve went AIO 120mm like H45 :sweat
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oh, maybe it's too tight.

it's better to stay air-cooled if the other option is 120 aio. (120 aio is ok for gpu, but not cpu)

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talking about tlc drives again, i might be thinking too much. i forgot that tlc nand technology is now multiple-layer 3d/v-nand (the currently populating tlc nand is 64-layer; 960 evo has the 48-layer) they have much better relative endurance than the previous versions.

well, time will tell.



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Even changing the PSU doesn't do a damn thing doh.gif

Next week on long holiday gonna remove all the hardwares & fans then install part by part
Really need to find the source of this flickering

Could it be the casing that's causing this? Afterall, the flickering starts 4 days after I switch casing mega_shok.gif

List of the things I've tried:
1. Change motherboard, processor & RAM - flickering
2. Change graphic card - flickering
3. Fresh format to Windows 7 - flickering
4. Use older radeon drivers - flickering
5. Change PSU - flickering
6. Change monitor - flickering
7. Use a SATA SSD - flickering
8. Transfer my R9 390X & RX550 to a different PC - No flickering, so it's definitely my PC sweat.gif

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QUOTE(horns @ Aug 16 2017, 09:38 PM)
er it's better to check bios and other dependencies first. ssd runs on ahci or raid mode in sata operations. (most sata ssds require ahci mode to do firmware upgrades or maintenance) in terms of performance, it's better to use at least sata2. (sata1 is slow) of course you can still leverage on its high iops, but i'm not sure of its effective performance boost compared to sata3.

about bios compatibility, maybe the user manual for your dell model can help.

as for the intel ssd, the current one is 540s. from reviews its performance is bad in general. you should choose others tbh.
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Thanks , sorry for the late reply. I don't think there's an SSD bios.Hope you can help a hand here.
Dell inspiron year before 2010 , check it had ACHI.

What are the cheapest SSD year around yet reliable ? Samsung ? I remember last time intel 320 with 5 years warranty which really good.
Storage at lease 160GB.
Thanks again smile.gif
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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Aug 24 2017, 09:10 PM)
Even changing the PSU doesn't do a damn thing doh.gif

Next week on long holiday gonna remove all the hardwares & fans then install part by part
Really need to find the source of this flickering

Could it be the casing that's causing this? Afterall, the flickering starts 4 days after I switch casing mega_shok.gif

List of the things I've tried:
1. Change motherboard, processor & RAM - flickering
2. Change graphic card - flickering
3. Fresh format to Windows 7 - flickering
4. Use older radeon drivers - flickering
5. Change PSU - flickering
6. Change monitor - flickering
7. Use a SATA SSD - flickering
8. Transfer my R9 390X & RX550 to a different PC - No flickering, so it's definitely my PC sweat.gif
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well, good luck man; it's really frustrating. i don't really think it's the pc case but who knows?

in another computer, did you use the freesync display and turn freesync on?

QUOTE(Maxieos @ Aug 24 2017, 11:36 PM)
Thanks , sorry for the late reply. I don't think there's an SSD bios.Hope you can help a hand here.
Dell inspiron year before 2010 , check it had ACHI.

What are the cheapest SSD year around yet reliable ? Samsung ? I remember last time intel 320 with 5 years warranty which really good.
Storage at lease 160GB.
Thanks again smile.gif
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from what you have highlighted, i think your laptop is ok for a ssd since the bios has ahci. it's most probable that you will reuse the ssd when you replace the laptop, so i think a 240gb range ssd should be good for you in future.

samsung 850 evo is still the better sata-based mainstream option imo. unless you have a tight budget, go with 850 evo 250gb at least.

edit: the sweet spot since last year is supposed to be 512gb in terms of capacity. (meaning same price of a 240gb range for last year but its capacity doubles; in fact in the US, the sweet spot is 1tb this year) here it sort of happened, but just not really what we want. (weak currency make us consumers buy expensive stuff for no reason)




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in another computer, did you use the freesync display and turn freesync on?
I did. Triple check to make sure it's my own PC's fault, not the power line of my house or the external cables
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I did. Triple check to make sure it's my own PC's fault, not the power line of my house or the external cables
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.. pening :/

there are a few more options that you might wanna try:
1. put the gpu into different pcie slots;
2. connect the display cable to different gpu ports;
3. change display cable;
4. reset mobo bios to default.

i found this, https://community.amd.com/thread/216401 it's like related to your situation. amd guy said there is an open issue about freesync and flickering (except for the last part of your previous diagnosis)

edit: for now, i think it's better to turn freesync off first, until amd confirmed there is a proper fix for this via driver updates. if not, you can create a thread for this, because i really think it requires attention to other users as well.

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there are a few more options that you might wanna try:
1. put the gpu into different pcie slots;
2. connect the display cable to different gpu ports;
3. change display cable;
4. reset mobo bios to default.
1. Done. Both my Gigabyte Z97X-Gaming G1 & ASUS X99-Pro has multiple PCI-e ports, tested all of them, still flickering
2. Done. Bought a new RX 550 just to test this matter, 100% new, not used unit, still flickering
3. Done. Done, bought a new premium DP cable, still flickering
4. Done. Done for both motherboards, still flickering

Still flickering away like there's no tomorrow laugh.gif

Nevermind, I'm just gonna wait until 31st October to strip out everything and install part by part
Also gonna try to run the system naked to see if the HAF XB Evo is the fault for this issue
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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Aug 25 2017, 12:44 PM)
1. Done. Both my Gigabyte Z97X-Gaming G1 & ASUS X99-Pro has multiple PCI-e ports, tested all of them, still flickering
2. Done. Bought a new RX 550 just to test this matter, 100% new, not used unit, still flickering
3. Done. Done, bought a new premium DP cable, still flickering
4. Done. Done for both motherboards, still flickering

Still flickering away like there's no tomorrow laugh.gif

Nevermind, I'm just gonna wait until 31st October to strip out everything and install part by part
Also gonna try to run the system naked to see if the HAF XB Evo is the fault for this issue
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.. good luck. it's a bad experience, even not as owner. it's been a long while that i need to solve something without positive outcomes lol

edit: seriously made me think twice to get that all-amd setup for now. it's really too bad.



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Anyone using nvme m.2 in the mobo slot here? Can advise me on the temperature? Does it get heat easily?
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Anyone using nvme m.2 in the mobo slot here?  Can advise me on the temperature? Does it get heat easily?
I am. It depends on your casing airflow actually

On ASUS X99-Pro, the temperatures when I use my 950 Pro on the built-in M.2 slot are actually lower than using the 950 Pro on ASUS Hyper M.2 X4 riser
Take note that I am currently using Cooler Master HAF XB EVO where the motherboard is installed horizontally
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Anyone using nvme m.2 in the mobo slot here?  Can advise me on the temperature? Does it get heat easily?
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no i am using pcie adapter with heat sinks.

for safer operations with m.2 slots, i suggest using this, https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4350658

QUOTE(sHawTY @ Aug 25 2017, 03:43 PM)
On ASUS X99-Pro, the temperatures when I use my 950 Pro on the built-in M.2 slot are actually lower than using the 950 Pro on ASUS Hyper M.2 X4 riser
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i thought this one is a pcie adapter without heat sinks? i have 2 of these, older version, never used them before.

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no i am using pcie adapter with heat sinks.

for safer operations with m.2 slots, i suggest using this, https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4350658
Thanks for the clarification. Can u suggest any pcie adapter with heat sinks? Searched lelong doesnt seem to have it.
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Thanks for the clarification. Can u suggest any pcie adapter with heat sinks? Searched lelong doesnt seem to have it.
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i don't think there is one selling locally. there is an alternative with active cooling, https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=85912253

mine is this one, http://www.bplus.com.tw/Adapter/M2P4A.html (ugly, but it works well)

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Parking on the new SSD V6 thread. biggrin.gif

Just wondering, if RM500 budget, best bang for buck could get right now is Samsung EVO 850 256GB right?

Second question, what to check when buying a refurbished (or possible used but not refurb) of SSD?
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Parking on the new SSD V6 thread. biggrin.gif

Just wondering, if RM500 budget, best bang for buck could get right now is Samsung EVO 850 256GB right?

Second question, what to check when buying a refurbished (or possible used but not refurb) of SSD?
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1. yes i believe 850 evo 250gb is still the best bang for buck if you compared price points of other ssds of similar capacities; in c-zone price list:

GALAX V100T 240GB (warranty: 3yrs) - 407
KINGSTON UV400 240GB (warranty: 3yrs) - 422
PNY CS900 240GB PNY (warranty: 3yrs) - 405
PNY CS1311B 256GB (warranty: 3yrs) - 432
SAMSUNG 850 EVO 250GB (warranty: 5yrs) - 487
WD GREEN 240GB (warranty: 3yrs) - 405
WD BLUE 250GB (warranty: 3yrs) - 454

from the list above it's like the most expensive one; if i factored in longer warranty, and rapid mode feature, it's better.

2. for used drives, i suggest check at least its total host writes with crystal diskinfo. it must be fully functional, and can be verified with manufacturer's toolbox software. however it's more about mutual trust mostly. honest sellers will usually tell you more about how they used the drives, and are confident and kind enough to give you a short period of personal warranty. just don't abuse it; honest people are very rare.

edit: my sm951 was a used one, in very good shape. the seller is a nice guy. he even took the initiative to follow up after the deal was long done. i am very thankful for that.

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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Aug 25 2017, 12:44 PM)
1. Done. Both my Gigabyte Z97X-Gaming G1 & ASUS X99-Pro has multiple PCI-e ports, tested all of them, still flickering
2. Done. Bought a new RX 550 just to test this matter, 100% new, not used unit, still flickering
3. Done. Done, bought a new premium DP cable, still flickering
4. Done. Done for both motherboards, still flickering

Still flickering away like there's no tomorrow laugh.gif

Nevermind, I'm just gonna wait until 31st October to strip out everything and install part by part
Also gonna try to run the system naked to see if the HAF XB Evo is the fault for this issue
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QUOTE(horns @ Aug 25 2017, 01:07 PM)
.. good luck. it's a bad experience, even not as owner. it's been a long while that i need to solve something without positive outcomes lol

edit: seriously made me think twice to get that all-amd setup for now. it's really too bad.
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I guess , sometimes assemble with different component will have some issue in certain area.
Try using win7 by means software test , wire cable DP or HDMI.

Few more test maybe helping

1. Did you test out with other benchmark too ? Maybe the game or bench having problem ?
2. Did you try on linux like Ubuntu since AMD having freesync support under it.http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/HOW-TO-ENABLE-AMD-FREESYNC-IN-LINUX.aspx
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news...-2-Announcement
With linux , they will have log on the output and variety features to tweak and confirm which part of error.



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QUOTE(Maxieos @ Aug 26 2017, 11:44 PM)
I guess , sometimes assemble with different component will have some issue in certain area.
Try using win7 by means software test , wire cable DP or HDMI.
Done all of them, go back to my previous posts and you'll see
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1. Did you test out with other benchmark too ? Maybe the game or bench having problem ?
The flickering starts on the desktop itself, so not going to do any benchmark or anything else until the flickering on desktop stops
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QUOTE(horns @ Aug 25 2017, 12:55 AM)
well, good luck man; it's really frustrating. i don't really think it's the pc case but who knows?

in another computer, did you use the freesync display and turn freesync on?
from what you have highlighted, i think your laptop is ok for a ssd since the bios has ahci. it's most probable that you will reuse the ssd when you replace the laptop, so i think a 240gb range ssd should be good for you in future.

samsung 850 evo is still the better sata-based mainstream option imo. unless you have a tight budget, go with 850 evo 250gb at least.

edit: the sweet spot since last year is supposed to be 512gb in terms of capacity. (meaning same price of a 240gb range for last year but its capacity doubles; in fact in the US, the sweet spot is 1tb this year) here it sort of happened, but just not really what we want. (weak currency make us consumers buy expensive stuff for no reason)
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Thanks for telling , now I am looking on how to backup and retain the partition.Cloning but increase in spacing.
Old laptop somehow with only 10+GB free space and there is only windows 7 old license in the hard disk.Need to clone , retain Dell boot sector , increase window 7 spacing.
Anyhow do you have any idea which software about to do it ?
-retain 3 partition of dell ( Healthy OEM 39MB , RECOVERY 15GB , OS around 100GB )
-Increase OS to 180GB
-Create a Logical partition of the remaining space.

We all also have no luck where our currency never get improve and never drop below 4 conversion to USD , merchant are allow to increase price of item after g$t according to their preference.Mining affected GC price increase. sad.gif So much factor facing this year.

Hope everything will turn back better next year.

Back to topic , any suggestion of software doing that ? should I worry what I read about 4k alignment or something ?
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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Aug 26 2017, 11:48 PM)
Done all of them, go back to my previous posts and you'll see
The flickering starts on the desktop itself, so not going to do any benchmark or anything else until the flickering on desktop stops
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Try installing ubuntu and install AMD driver see whether is the driver issue. http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/P...C-IN-LINUX.aspx
I think it's the fastest way to test.If it still persist , try go to mnirc ubuntu or ubuntu hardware for real time response log/debug into pastebin and etc.
I only can think about it at this moment.

I too having problem with graphic resolution issue which I can't set custom size on monitor last time.

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Hi, first time using ssd here. Just got my Samsung 850 Evo yesterday. May i know is my ssd status good or not?

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And what this mean? Where can i download that?
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QUOTE(Maxieos @ Aug 27 2017, 01:05 AM)
Thanks for telling , now I am looking on how to backup and retain the partition.Cloning but increase in spacing.
Old laptop somehow with only 10+GB free space and there is only windows 7 old license in the hard disk.Need to clone , retain Dell boot sector , increase window 7 spacing.
Anyhow do you have any idea which software about to do it ?
-retain 3 partition of dell ( Healthy OEM 39MB , RECOVERY 15GB , OS around 100GB )
-Increase OS to 180GB
-Create a Logical partition of the remaining space.

We all also have no luck where our currency never get improve and never drop below 4 conversion to USD , merchant are allow to increase price of item after g$t according to their preference.Mining affected GC price increase. sad.gif So much factor facing this year.

Hope everything will turn back better next year.

Back to topic , any suggestion of software doing that ? should I worry what I read about 4k alignment or something ?
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if you need to clone it, you can use macrium reflect to do it, or use samsung's data migraton softare, http://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/minis...load/tools.html

you might need to resize the partitions after successful cloning. sorry i do clean installs most of the times. you can use nirsoft's produkey to get the w7 product key just in case that key is not at the back of your laptop (or battery compartment.

about 4k alignment issue, it might not happen. however if it does, i think it's a relatively easy fix. i think macrium reflect can handle that also.


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Hi, first time using ssd here. Just got my Samsung 850 Evo yesterday. May i know is my ssd status good or not?

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i think the benchmark is ok. don't run too many times of benchmark. it's not good for your ssd.

use samsung magician to check, http://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/minis...load/tools.html

if it's detected correctly that means it's all good.

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QUOTE(horns @ Aug 27 2017, 03:29 AM)
i think the benchmark is ok. don't run too many times of benchmark. it's not good for your ssd.

use samsung magician to check, http://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/minis...load/tools.html

if it's detected correctly that means it's all good.
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Thanks. Now got other questions. What is Rapid Mode for? Should i on it? Should i run the Performance Optimization and Over Provisioning?
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Thanks. Now got other questions. What is Rapid Mode for? Should i on it? Should i run the Performance Optimization and Over Provisioning?
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in short, rapid mode is ram-based cache-like feature that boosts samsung ssd. if you have 16gb of ram or more, turn this on.

you should run performance optimization, and turn over provisioning on. performance optimization is to optimize your os for ssd use; while op is to help maintain r/w speed when the disk is almost full. just stick to default for normal usage. (it's adjustable so increase or decrease it when necessary)

note that all the above are just options that you can turn on or off if necessary, especially when you find software that are not compatible. (which is very rare, but who knows?)

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QUOTE(horns @ Aug 27 2017, 04:40 PM)
in short, rapid mode is ram-based cache-like feature that boosts samsung ssd. if you have 16gb of ram or more, turn this on.

you should run performance optimization, and turn over provisioning on. performance optimization is to optimize your os for ssd use; while op is to help maintain r/w speed when the disk is almost full. just stick to default for normal usage. (it's adjustable so increase or decrease it when necessary)

note that all the above are just options that you can turn on or off if necessary, especially when you find software that are not compatible. (which is very rare, but who knows?)
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Gave up on the monitor. Tested with 3 system but still flickering to no end
Anyone has a FreeSync monitor that I can use for testing?

I will bring both my system and my monitor to test at your place
Preferably somewhere in Klang / Shah Alam

Requested for full refund from AOC but need to provide hard proof that their monitor is the one that's having problem hence why I need someone's help in proving that my system is okay
Going to use the money to buy Samsung C32HG70 instead
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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Aug 28 2017, 03:11 PM)
Gave up on the monitor. Tested with 3 system but still flickering to no end
Anyone has a FreeSync monitor that I can use for testing?

I will bring both my system and my monitor to test at your place
Preferably somewhere in Klang / Shah Alam

Requested for full refund from AOC but need to provide hard proof that their monitor is the one that's having problem hence why I need someone's help in proving that my system is okay
Going to use the money to buy Samsung C32HG70 instead
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.. that means it's not related to you new pc case?

hopefully someone with freesync monitor can help. however ii suspect that it might be related to freesync driver issue, not brand related.


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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Aug 28 2017, 03:11 PM)
Gave up on the monitor. Tested with 3 system but still flickering to no end
Anyone has a FreeSync monitor that I can use for testing?

I will bring both my system and my monitor to test at your place
Preferably somewhere in Klang / Shah Alam

Requested for full refund from AOC but need to provide hard proof that their monitor is the one that's having problem hence why I need someone's help in proving that my system is okay
Going to use the money to buy Samsung C32HG70 instead
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how about just boot using Chrome OS? you can boot from a USB drive.
i thought flickering = either monitor,bad driver or GPU will kong. this is what i experienced before.

wow. so kns the AOC warranty claim. should ask them to proof to you instead.
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.. that means it's not related to you new pc case?

hopefully someone with freesync monitor can help. however ii suspect that it might be related to freesync driver issue, not brand related.
Nope, nothing to do with my case
It's okay, AOC agreed to give me full refund
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how about just boot using Chrome OS? you can boot from a USB drive.
i thought flickering = either monitor,bad driver or GPU will kong. this is what i experienced before.

wow. so kns the AOC warranty claim. should ask them to proof to you instead.
Nahh, not going to do any testing anymore
Fedup with the monitor

Actually, AOC tech support / warranty claim is really great
They collected the monitor and sent me the replacement unit the next day
They also sent another replacement after the previous unit also had the same issue on day 3
And both units that they've provided are completely new unit, not refurbished / repaired unit
They work really fast

Also they've agreed to give me a full refund without any questions after I've proven that the issue is not from my system
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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Aug 28 2017, 07:45 PM)
Nope, nothing to do with my case
It's okay, AOC agreed to give me full refund

Nahh, not going to do any testing anymore
Fedup with the monitor

Actually, AOC tech support / warranty claim is really great
They collected the monitor and sent me the replacement unit the next day
They also sent another replacement after the previous unit also had the same issue on day 3
And both units that they've provided are completely new unit, not refurbished / repaired unit
They work really fast

Also they've agreed to give me a full refund without any questions after I've proven that the issue is not from my system
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this kind of support is not great. it's exceptional. we really need to give them all the credits for this kind of customer supports. they deserve every bit of it.

let's see if their 35" g-sync agon can reach here in Malaysia.

edit: these days it's very hard to find personnel or organization with such dedications already. most of them usually find excuses to get rid of us consumers.

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it's almost official, wd is buying over toshiba's chip memory unit, http://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/AJ201708270028.html

after sandisk, now toshiba. both also produce good stuff. hopefully we will have products from wd that are worth paying attention to.


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QUOTE(horns @ Aug 28 2017, 10:26 PM)
let's see if their 35" g-sync agon can reach here in Malaysia.
Not gonna buy any AOC anymore in the future, I'm not saying their quality is bad, their quality is really good, my other 2 units of AOC 24" LCD monitor still works perfectly with zero dead pixel after 4 years
It's just that this experience makes me think twice about getting anything from AOC again

On the other hand, Samsung C32HG70 is coming to Malaysia in September wub.gif
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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Aug 29 2017, 02:50 PM)
Not gonna buy any AOC anymore in the future, I'm not saying their quality is bad, their quality is really good, my other 2 units of AOC 24" LCD monitor still works perfectly with zero dead pixel after 4 years
It's just that this experience makes me think twice about getting anything from AOC again

On the other hand, Samsung C32HG70 is coming to Malaysia in September wub.gif
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in case anyone with samsung ssds who look for the proper warranty claim process in Malaysia:

- first of all, keep a copy of proof of purchase, i.e. invoice (if you're not provided with this during purchase, ask for one; take a picture with your phone as backup, and keep it safe)

- in general, all local retail units are qualified for a full warranty period (warranty period depends on models). samsung ssd warranty is claimed through the original seller that you purchased your ssd from. from there they will contact their distributors for rma arrangements. this includes retail shops, and online shops; if it's an online shop, double check their warranty policy for samsung ssd.

for instance, at lazada there are actually 2 types of warranty for samsung ssds:
1. warranty covered by sellers, local supplier warranty - this means the warranty is fully covered by the seller and they are responsible for claiming warranty for your ssd also. (1st year is a free service; for the rest of warranty period a service fee might be charged; better make all these clear before purchase);

2. warranty covered by manufacturers, local manufacturer warranty - samsung has an official store at lazada. it offers a different warranty support. for this one you need to send the ssd to the authorized service centers. if you saw this type of warranty, make sure the seller provides you with a proper service center contact. if they don't, ask for one. if they cannot give you one, or you failed to contact or verify such a service center, please don't buy from the seller. this is because i noticed there are some sellers, like this one, http://www.lazada.com.my/samsung-850evo-25...w-17292414.html are offering only 1-year warranty for a samsung 850 evo, and they claimed that it's warranted under local manufacturer warranty. (i don't know; sounds like bullshit to me)

- the warranty of all local retail units can only be claimed in Malaysia. samsung doesn't have international warranty coverage for ssd.



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Hey guys, any thoughts on samsung pm951 256gb nvme ssd?

is 280mb write speed considered slow? cuz even samsung 850 evo has almost double of its write speed.
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QUOTE(Songchien @ Aug 31 2017, 10:44 PM)
Hey guys, any thoughts on samsung pm951 256gb nvme ssd?

is 280mb write speed considered slow? cuz even samsung 850 evo has almost double of its write speed.
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it's almost the same as advertised. nothing's wrong

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QUOTE(Songchien @ Aug 31 2017, 10:44 PM)
Hey guys, any thoughts on samsung pm951 256gb nvme ssd?

is 280mb write speed considered slow? cuz even samsung 850 evo has almost double of its write speed.
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for usage that needs relatively high reads and low writes, it's good enough. 250gb/s of write speed is acceptable for light client work load usage, e.g. normal usage at home and office work.

samsung 850 evo is competing in mainstream sata ssd market. it must have good speeds for both read and write, because most mainstream drives in this market segment have saturated sata3 speeds for years

however, this doesn't mean most users can gain benefits from write speeds that high. on the other hand, a much improved read speeds are more practical imo.

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we might have another worthy value ssd this time: crucial's bx300. while most manufacturers are pushing 3d tlc nand value ssds in market, the mlc-based crucial bx300 is really refreshing.

http://www.anandtech.com/print/11766/the-c...iew-back-to-mlc
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/crucia...0-ssd,5182.html
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/cruci...d_review,1.html
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/crucial-bx30...view-33998.html

the warranty period is still 3 years

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My desktop uses SanDisk while my laptop went for Kingston and they fit my daily use. Both are 120GB SSD version.

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hi guys/ gals

Wish to ask whether SSD comes with any disk imaging/ cloning software or not? Planning to change my MSI leopard gaming laptop HD to SSD.

Thanks
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hi guys/ gals

Wish to ask whether SSD comes with any disk imaging/ cloning software or not? Planning to change my MSI leopard gaming laptop HD to SSD.

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some have, some don't. afaik samsung, transcend, sandisk, and crucial ssds come with one. alternatively you can also use free cloning software like macrium reflect.

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QUOTE(horns @ Sep 3 2017, 11:02 AM)
some have, some don't. afaik samsung, transcend, sandisk, and crucial ssds come with one. alternatively you can also use free cloning software like macrium reflect.
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Thanks for your reply smile.gif Will look into those brand. Nowadays 120GB SSD is quite expensive smile.gif
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QUOTE(carjack18 @ Sep 3 2017, 07:17 PM)
Thanks for your reply smile.gif Will look into those brand. Nowadays 120GB SSD is quite expensive smile.gif
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it depends on how you look at it. if you checked their price/performance ratios, 240gb range is a better option. (cheaper relatively, with better performance and endurance, compared to 120gb range options)

i rather save more to get a 240gb range than settled with 120gb.


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QUOTE(horns @ Sep 3 2017, 08:58 PM)
it depends on how you look at it. if you checked their price/performance ratios, 240gb range is a better option. (cheaper relatively, with better performance and endurance, compared to 120gb range options)

i rather save more to get a 240gb range than settled with 120gb.
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Agree better buy the larger size of 240gb as it is more worthwhile. Hope there are no suddenly increase like the GPU Mining Crisis smile.gif
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QUOTE(carjack18 @ Sep 3 2017, 10:46 PM)
Agree better buy the  larger size of 240gb as it is more worthwhile. Hope there are no suddenly increase like the GPU Mining Crisis smile.gif
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nand flash price hike might be imminent. there are already news about nand flash price going up since few months ago (due to shortage). in about a month's time, gpu price might go up again, also due to shortage (gddr5).

if you have some extras, i think you can still look for good deals at various places for now.
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QUOTE(horns @ Sep 3 2017, 11:19 PM)
nand flash price hike might be imminent. there are already news about nand flash price going up since few months ago (due to shortage). in about a month's time, gpu price might go up again, also due to shortage (gddr5).

if you have some extras, i think you can still look for good deals at various places for now.
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Thanks horns smile.gif The current price of SSD might be expensive for now, but it will go higher in the future, so i better get the SSD now smile.gif
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QUOTE(carjack18 @ Sep 4 2017, 12:46 AM)
Thanks horns smile.gif The current price of SSD might be expensive for now, but it will go higher in the future, so i better get the SSD now smile.gif
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no problem; imo the better timing to get a ssd is always when you're sure you need one. also, to get one or not, it really depends on your situations.

if you have some extras (despite current exchange rates and on-going price hikes), and if your current computer is still running os on hdd, then it's better to get one. you will save a lot of time waiting for os and apps to load, and be more productive.

the bottom line: for a pc with 8gb ram and 3rd generation intel cpu, adding even a value ssd can make a significant difference smile.gif

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QUOTE(horns @ Sep 4 2017, 02:35 AM)
no problem; imo the better timing to get a ssd is always when you're sure you need one. also, to get one or not, it really depends on your situations.

if you have some extras (despite current exchange rates and on-going price hikes), and if your current computer is still running os on hdd, then it's better to get one. you will save a lot of time waiting for os and apps to load, and be more productive.

the bottom line: for a pc with 8gb ram and 3rd generation intel cpu, adding even a value ssd can make a significant difference smile.gif
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You're spot on, i decided on the SSD option as to give a new life to my 2 years old laptop so I can utilize for other tasks smile.gif Now the loading of os and apps feels sluggish smile.gif

Thanks again for your reply, horns smile.gif
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QUOTE(carjack18 @ Sep 4 2017, 08:20 PM)
You're spot on, i decided on the SSD option as to give a new life to my 2 years old laptop so I can utilize for other tasks smile.gif Now the loading of os and apps feels sluggish smile.gif

Thanks again for your reply, horns smile.gif
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a 2-year old laptop is not that old smile.gif but yes it will definitely help. you will realize that you should get a ssd sooner haha

most of the times i will pick a laptop with plain hdd and then get an aftermarket ssd and do a self upgrade. usually gaming-series laptops allow you to do that without voiding warranty.


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Want to ask for opinion.

saw a deal in lazada, a refurbished sk hynix pc300 nvme 256gb (pulled from refurbished laptop) is selling at rm349.

It is really tempting. but the internet doesnt have much info about this ssd, let alone its review.

I asked the seller for the read and write speed but he replied this:

(128KB, Typical) Read : Up to 530MB/s(128/256/512GB)
Write : Up to 190MB/s(128GB), 370MB/s(256GB),


want to ask if it's worth it to buy?

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QUOTE(Songchien @ Sep 11 2017, 08:14 PM)
Want to ask for opinion.

saw a deal in lazada, a refurbished sk hynix pc300 nvme 256gb (pulled from refurbished laptop) is selling at rm349.

It is really tempting. but the internet doesnt have much info about this ssd, let alone its review.

I asked the seller for the read and write speed but he replied this:

(128KB, Typical) Read : Up to 530MB/s(128/256/512GB)
Write : Up to 190MB/s(128GB), 370MB/s(256GB),
want to ask if it's worth it to buy?
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it's an oem ssd from sk hynix. this means warranty depends on the seller.

the internet does have some but limited information about it, https://www.skhynix.com/eng/product/ssdClient.jsp ; it's found in dell's computer systems, such as certain Alienware, OptiPlex, Latitude, Inspiron, Precision and XPS models, https://www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/4/D...?driverId=2V23D

if you looked at the first link, the 256gb variant has a seq.read of 1800MB/s, seq.write of 400MB/s, rand.read of 170K IOPS and rand.write of 100K IOPS

for that price i think it's relatively cheap (it's oem so it's much cheaper). however please make sure it's the same ssd. sometimes sellers do not know what they are selling so it's better to double confirm this part first before buy.


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QUOTE(horns @ Sep 11 2017, 09:57 PM)
it's an oem ssd from sk hynix. this means warranty depends on the seller.

the internet does have some but limited information about it, https://www.skhynix.com/eng/product/ssdClient.jsp ; it's found in dell's computer systems, such as certain Alienware, OptiPlex, Latitude, Inspiron, Precision and XPS models, https://www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/4/D...?driverId=2V23D

if you looked at the first link, the 256gb variant has a seq.read of 1800MB/s, seq.write of 400MB/s, rand.read of 170K IOPS and  rand.write of 100K IOPS

for that price i think it's relatively cheap (it's oem so it's much cheaper). however please make sure it's the same ssd. sometimes sellers do not know what they are selling so it's better to double confirm this part first before buy.
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now, for those who are interested, we have a raid card that supports 4x nvme ssds, http://www.thessdreview.com/raid-enterpris...-2-ssds-tested/


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any good deal for ssd, so far seeing the cheapest is 180gb used intel for rm165 but no need in market.
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QUOTE(jimlim007 @ Sep 18 2017, 10:50 AM)
any good deal for ssd, so far seeing the cheapest is 180gb used intel for rm165 but no need in market.
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didn't quite get the meaning of the last part (after 'but'). if you're looking for good deals, there are some at garage sales section.
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QUOTE(horns @ Sep 18 2017, 08:28 PM)
didn't quite get the meaning of the last part (after 'but'). if you're looking for good deals, there are some at garage sales section.
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haha typo, but not available anymore. i see that is the cheapest so far
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haha typo, but not available anymore. i see that is the cheapest so far
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yes i think so if it's intel 520 that you're talking about in the garage sales section.

it's a very old drive, using mlc nand and sandforce controller, but it's still good enough as os disk.

edit: ram price was reported to go up for 111% since the previous 12 months, sources:
https://www.techspot.com/news/71012-weekend...ected-2017.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/230188/dram-pri...-rise-over-2017

this is crazy :/


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QUOTE(horns @ Sep 19 2017, 12:00 AM)
yes i think so if it's intel 520 that you're talking about in the garage sales section.

it's a very old drive, using mlc nand and sandforce controller, but it's still good enough as os disk.

edit: ram price was reported to go up for 111% since the previous 12 months, sources:
https://www.techspot.com/news/71012-weekend...ected-2017.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/230188/dram-pri...-rise-over-2017

this is crazy :/
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haha so any drop on 1TB SSD laugh.gif hmm.gif

now own boss i can throw all out in full gllory but the other side of me still not willing 2 depart all my fast earnings 2 soon laugh.gif sweat.gif
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QUOTE(horns @ Sep 3 2017, 08:58 PM)
it depends on how you look at it. if you checked their price/performance ratios, 240gb range is a better option. (cheaper relatively, with better performance and endurance, compared to 120gb range options)

i rather save more to get a 240gb range than settled with 120gb.
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hahahaha i using 250gb more than 2 years already and still feeling itchy in shooting up 1TB drool.gif rclxm9.gif

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I always asked a question, why a 7 gram nvme ssd module (memory, pcb, controller) is expensive than a conventional solid metal heavy hdd (vacuum process, metal case, plates, read header, weight of shipping cost, etc)..... hahaha; simply they earn ton of money in SSD

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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Sep 19 2017, 08:40 AM)
hahahaha i using 250gb more than 2 years already and still feeling itchy in shooting up 1TB drool.gif  rclxm9.gif
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if you need to, just do it smile.gif

i have systems running full-ssd and ramdisk setups for years (ramdisk is for downloads). their performance are still optimal (now these ssds are all over the warranty period already haha)

QUOTE(jimlim007 @ Sep 19 2017, 12:05 PM)
I always asked a question, why a 7 gram nvme ssd module (memory, pcb, controller) is expensive than a conventional solid metal heavy hdd (vacuum process, metal case, plates, read header, weight of shipping cost, etc)..... hahaha; simply they earn ton of money in SSD
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the answer lies in the perspective of performance, not weight. no one, if they had the chance, wanna run a slow system. (it's a cheap way to revive old computers. you can make an old i3 laptop with 8gb ram to response much faster than an i7 laptop with 16gb ram and 1tb hdd; this was a self test that i did a long time ago; it still holds true today)

of course these companies earn money. it's a business. it's not 'simply' either. new technologies don't just come out of nowhere. they require r&d, and r&d need costs. i just don't like the idea of them purposely created a demand and supply scenario that is only beneficial to themselves. (samsung and crucial do this; sk hynix doesn't, yet)

the bottom line is this: there is no need to have a full-ssd setup unless you can make use of its performance (e.g. for work purposes with frequent high work loads). a more practical option so far is always mixed mode: ssd for os at least, and hdd for data and downloads. for this, you just need a small sata3 ssd, and your system supports sata2 and ahci. the difference in user experience is night and day. (120gb if your budget is tight; optimally 240gb or above)

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hi all,anyone know sandisk x400 worth to get?
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hi all,anyone know sandisk x400 worth to get?
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at what price and capacity? in general it's an oem tlc ssd. overall performance is acceptable, relatively better than value ssd.
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QUOTE(horns @ Sep 20 2017, 07:19 PM)
at what price and capacity? in general it's an oem tlc ssd. overall performance is acceptable, relatively better than value ssd.
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OEM ssd difference just the packaging not that nice
other than that not much diffence ?

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OEM ssd difference just the packaging not that nice
other than that not much diffence ?
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packaging is not the main point for things like ssd.

there are slight differences in configurations and specifications usually (e.g. firmware), compared to retail counterparts. other than that no.
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QUOTE(horns @ Sep 21 2017, 02:37 PM)
packaging is not the main point for things like ssd.

there are slight differences in configurations and specifications usually (e.g. firmware), compared to retail counterparts. other than that no.
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so mean getting a oem SSD shouldn't be worry
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QUOTE(soulmad @ Sep 21 2017, 02:39 PM)
so mean getting a oem SSD shouldn't be worry
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maybe. yes usually they have no problem, but there is always a risk. (i use some for years; all are still good)

oem ssds that we can obtain in the market depends entirely on seller's commitment to offer warranty support. (this is the main risk, no manufacturer warranty)
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Haha i think i be jumping 1TB SSD when my house finished unifi coverage

My hardware has been over the top but still its worthless if its still held back by snail speed internet doh.gif shakehead.gif

Been using 1mb 7 years and 4mb 3 years and both are useless already with my new favorite game ever just broken new record size 99GB which doesnt cut it any longer bangwall.gif vmad.gif

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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Sep 21 2017, 07:46 PM)
Haha i think i be jumping 1TB SSD when my house finished unifi coverage

My hardware has been over the top but still its worthless if its still held back by snail speed internet doh.gif shakehead.gif

Been using 1mb 7 years and 4mb 3 years and both are useless already with my new favorite game ever just broken new record size 99GB which doesnt cut it any longer  bangwall.gif vmad.gif
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our internet speed is the least that we should worry about, it's always the slowest.

only when you're riding with those 1gbps services and with gigabit router, then things might change a bit, but then if you used ramdisk for download like me then the net speed is still the slowest.
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these days, the terms ReRAM, or RRAM are catching a lot of attentions, especially its potentials to become the storage component of our ssds in the future. it's said to be similar to intel's 3d xpoint; and it's faster than nand flash (lower read latency, and faster write performance, at least on paper for now).

it will still need to take a while before it can reach general consumer markets. (very expensive for now)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resistive_random-access_memory
http://searchsolidstatestorage.techtarget....istive-RAM-RRAM
https://semiengineering.com/what-happened-to-reram/
https://www.anandtech.com/show/10562/wester...ialpurpose-ssds

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QUOTE(horns @ Sep 30 2017, 06:01 AM)
these days, the terms ReRAM, or RRAM are catching a lot of attentions, especially its potentials to become the storage component of our ssds in the future. it's said to be similar to intel's 3d xpoint; and it's faster than nand flash (lower read latency, and faster write performance, at least on paper for now).

it will still need to take a while before it can reach general consumer markets. (very expensive for now)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resistive_random-access_memory
http://searchsolidstatestorage.techtarget....istive-RAM-RRAM
https://semiengineering.com/what-happened-to-reram/
https://www.anandtech.com/show/10562/wester...ialpurpose-ssds
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haha tech 2 fast no time 2 catch up already laugh.gif laugh.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Oct 7 2017, 10:31 AM)
haha tech 2 fast no time 2 catch up already laugh.gif  laugh.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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yeah it's really true that techs advance at a pace that is hard to catch up these days; well we just learn what we can lol

it's good to know that there are better replacements for nand flash in near future smile.gif
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plextor announced their m8se recently. nand is still from toshiba, and controller is still from marvell. we know by its name that it's not the top-tier offering from this company. what i didn't expect is the use of planar tlc. in short, for average users, yes it's still ok for normal use, but you also have other choices.

read more: http://www.thessdreview.com/featured/plext...d-review-512gb/

once upon a time, during the uprising of sata ssd era a few years ago, plextor was one of the cheaper yet better options that could rival samsung performance models. (think m5pro xtreme) however, since m6s, it's not really doing that well :/


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Dear all sifus, I can't decide between wd blue and samsung 850 evo. I did some research on both m.2 ssd, most of them recommend the evo but the wd blue is slightly cheaper . I only use my laptop for light gaming like dota and Microsoft apps. So if I buy 850 evo will it be overkill for my daily usage?
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QUOTE(lolilol @ Oct 14 2017, 05:27 PM)
Dear all sifus, I can't decide between wd blue and samsung 850 evo. I did some research on both m.2 ssd, most of them recommend the evo but the wd blue is slightly cheaper . I only use my laptop for light gaming like dota and Microsoft apps. So if I buy 850 evo will it be overkill for my daily usage?
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Capacity and price you found? Evo have longer warranty iinm.
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The present hdd setup:

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I'm planning to use maricum reflect to clone my current harddrive.

I'm also planning to copy the Lenovo Drivers in the D drive to an usb and delete the D drive completely.

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Any word of advise before I proceed?

Tq



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Capacity and price you found? Evo have longer warranty iinm.
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Price for wd blue is around 470 onwards while 850 is 500 give or take.
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Price for wd blue is around 470 onwards while 850 is 500 give or take.
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Given the price are so small different, the WD Blue have 3 years warranty and the Samsung Evo have 5 years warranty. For sure go for Samsung.
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samsung 97x and 98x have appeared, http://www.tomshardware.com/news/samsung-p...-ssd,35689.html

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Haha cool rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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Haha cool rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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yeah time flies lol nowadays, kings in new ssds get dethroned every year.

hopefully they will be available after January 2018. (especially the sm series, which uses mlc, if they don't change the naming series so much)
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QUOTE(NightFelix @ Oct 16 2017, 10:43 PM)
Time to buy last gen? biggrin.gif
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this time around, they added a thin heat sink on the controller. it looked like samsung finally made changes to handle heat issues inherited in bare units released for the past few years. (when coupled with complementary heat sinks from recent mobos, you don't need to pay extras for good cooling anymore)

however, the more critical turning point for ssds is the release of models with qlc nand into market. these new ones will have very much reduced p/e cycles. (typically tlc is rated as 1k p/e cycles, qlc has around 100 p/e cycles only)


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QUOTE(twosocks @ Oct 14 2017, 11:14 PM)
Just bought a Lenovo Ideapad 310-15IKB and a 120gb SSD.
The present hdd setup:

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I'm planning to use maricum reflect to clone my current harddrive.

I'm also planning to copy the Lenovo Drivers in the D drive to an usb and delete the D drive completely.

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Any word of advise before I proceed?

Tq
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whats the cheapest 240gb ssd i can get right now + discount?
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Anyone know where to buy laptop mounting screw for msata ssd? Does normal pc shop in sunway pyramid have one?

So happy bought new ssd, go home, open laptop, try to install... just that 1 screw is screwing my expectation bangwall.gif
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as usual... windows update now fked up the nvme on windows..

have to clone to another ssd/hdd .. update and clone back.

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as usual... windows update now fked up the nvme on windows..

have to clone to another ssd/hdd .. update and clone back.
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Thanks for sharing this...
I'm on nvme raid 0 summore


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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Oct 18 2017, 10:21 PM)
as usual... windows update now fked up the nvme on windows..

have to clone to another ssd/hdd .. update and clone back.
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Thanks for sharing this...
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support for nvme ssd has not been improved yet i guess. for me i just use clean installs.

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QUOTE(aurora35 @ Oct 18 2017, 09:53 PM)
Anyone know where to buy laptop mounting screw for msata ssd? Does normal pc shop in sunway pyramid have one?

So happy bought new ssd, go home, open laptop, try to install... just that 1 screw is screwing my expectation  bangwall.gif
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you can try to ask at the shop where you bought it from and see if they can help find one for you. previously i was aware of the missing screw so i asked. luckily they kept some, and gave me one.

alternatively you can look for it at repair shops at imbi plaza or lyp i guess.
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QUOTE(NightFelix @ Oct 16 2017, 10:43 PM)
Time to buy last gen? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(horns @ Oct 16 2017, 11:46 PM)
no. the best time is always when you really need to get one hehe

this time around, they added a thin heat sink on the controller. it looked like samsung finally made changes to handle heat issues inherited in bare units released for the past few years. (when coupled with complementary heat sinks from recent mobos, you don't need to pay extras for good cooling anymore)

however, the more critical turning point for ssds is the release of models with qlc nand into market. these new ones will have very much reduced p/e cycles. (typically tlc is rated as 1k p/e cycles, qlc has around 100 p/e cycles only)
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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Oct 19 2017, 01:38 PM)
Haha my 2 wishlist are 1TB SSD 4k screen and 1080TI😄😄😄💸💸💸while i still dig the flat boxy shape than NVME shape hahahaha
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you can (and should) add a proper heat sink to help dissipate heats from m.2 ssd, which makes it look much cooler too smile.gif

after some brief tests, i still prefer a pcie adapter with passive cooling heat sink over the much smaller one for m.2 slot. it's much more cooler in my system.


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QUOTE(Lurker @ Oct 19 2017, 12:07 AM)
Thanks for sharing this...
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support for nvme ssd has not been improved yet i guess. for me i just use clean installs.
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yeah thats y until now i regret buying nvme

its so dependent on
1. mobo bios
2. Firmware
3. driver
4. OS

any one can F it up.

ssd still on main. nvme on benching only.

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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Oct 19 2017, 02:47 PM)
yeah thats y until now i regret buying nvme

its so dependent on
1. mobo bios
2. Firmware
3. driver
4. OS

any one can F it up.

ssd still on main. nvme on benching only.
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QUOTE(twosocks @ Oct 14 2017, 11:14 PM)
Just bought a Lenovo Ideapad 310-15IKB and a 120gb SSD.
The present hdd setup:

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I'm planning to use maricum reflect to clone my current harddrive.

I'm also planning to copy the Lenovo Drivers in the D drive to an usb and delete the D drive completely.

user posted image

Any word of advise before I proceed?

Tq
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My attempt to clone the old hard disk failed.
Finally did win10 clean install.

Later formatted the old windows partition as a data drive.
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QUOTE(twosocks @ Oct 20 2017, 10:50 AM)
My attempt to clone the old hard disk failed.
Finally did win10 clean install.

Later formatted the old windows partition as a data drive.
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what did you use for cloning? how did you clone it? failed due to what reason? insufficient ssd space or any other anomalies?
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I was using Maricum Reflect to clone the harddisk.

The program identified some errors with my harddisk.

Ran chkdsk and found the harddisk have some bad sectors.
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QUOTE(twosocks @ Oct 21 2017, 03:46 AM)
I was using Maricum Reflect to clone the harddisk.

The program identified some errors with my harddisk.

Ran chkdsk and found the harddisk have some bad sectors.
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ok got it smile.gif it's not macrium reflect, but bad sectors that caused the failure. bad sectors are hard failure. i guess this was why macrium reflect stopped to proceed.

os cloning is a relatively straight forward task, especially with today's toolsets. usually if everything is right, it will not fail. in the case of transcend's cloning tool that come with any transcend ssd, it even creates its own system partition layouts, so that the task can be done successfully.

thanks a lot for the clarification. it's much better to state actual reasons instead of letting readers to use their own imaginations.

also, be careful of your hdd that has bad sectors. it's better to replace it with a new one to prevent potential corruption of your data.
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QUOTE(horns @ Oct 21 2017, 04:17 AM)
ok got it smile.gif it's not macrium reflect, but bad sectors that caused the failure. bad sectors are hard failure. i guess this was why macrium reflect stopped to proceed.

os cloning is a relatively straight forward task, especially with today's toolsets. usually if everything is right, it will not fail. in the case of transcend's cloning tool that come with any transcend ssd, it even creates its own system partition layouts, so that the task can be done successfully.

thanks a lot for the clarification. it's much better to state actual reasons instead of letting readers to use their own imaginations.

also, be careful of your hdd that has bad sectors. it's better to replace it with a new one to prevent potential corruption of your data.
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Quick question, Rm600 for 850 Evo (500GB) worth it?
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RM300 for kingston hyperx fury ssd 240gb, ok mah? or is there a better option
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RM300 for kingston hyperx fury ssd 240gb, ok mah? or is there a better option
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Samsung NVMe Drivers Version 2.3.0.1709

http://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/minis...load/tools.html

This driver supports Samsung NVMe SSD 960 PRO, 960 EVO and 950 PRO.
* Notice: The driver supports Windows 7, Windows 8.1 and Windows 10. Recommended minimum system configuration is Intel Haswell Refresh Processor, 2GB RAM, 50MB free disk space and UEFI Bios v2.3.
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lazada got 10% discount, thinking buying 850evo or sandisk ultra 3d..both 250gb model

both same price and both perform almost the same just 850 evo just slightly faster?

buy any not wrong choice right?


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QUOTE(PowerSlide @ Oct 27 2017, 02:42 AM)
lazada got 10% discount, thinking buying 850evo or sandisk ultra 3d..both 250gb model

both same price and both perform almost the same just 850 evo just slightly faster?

buy any not wrong choice right?
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850 evo is backed by 5-year warranty, sandisk ultra 3d has 3 years.
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this is again a report about the up-coming samsung pm971, http://www.tomshardware.com/news/samsung-p...-ssd,35755.html

samsung pm971 is an entry-level nvme oem ssd with new proton controller, dram, and 48-layer tlc v-nand flash.
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anyone has setup asus z270 mobo with intel 600p ssd m.2?

need a confirmation can detect or not...

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QUOTE(craxors @ Oct 27 2017, 10:44 AM)
anyone has setup asus z270 mobo with intel 600p ssd m.2?

need a confirmation can detect or not...

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i believe with search engines you should be able to find this out.

usually compatibility issues might exist in older mobos (z87 and below); z97/x99 onward normally are compatible.
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the one that we have been waiting for from intel, the optane-based ssd from intel is finally here. it's called 900p.

https://www.anandtech.com/print/11953/the-i...ssd-900p-review
http://www.techradar.com/news/meet-intels-...ssd-900p-drives
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-...point,5292.html
https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Storage/Intel...-Lots-3D-XPoint

it has a lot of obvious advantages over flash-based ssds, only a few of their weaknesses.

edit: forgot to mention, check out that endurance rating biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(horns @ Oct 28 2017, 03:37 AM)
i believe with search engines you should be able to find this out.

usually compatibility issues might exist in older mobos (z87 and below); z97/x99 onward normally are compatible.
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Did.

Most result showed m.2 not detect... those such posts...lol..

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the one that we have been waiting for from intel, the optane-based ssd from intel is finally here. it's called 900p.

https://www.anandtech.com/print/11953/the-i...ssd-900p-review
http://www.techradar.com/news/meet-intels-...ssd-900p-drives
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-...point,5292.html
https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Storage/Intel...-Lots-3D-XPoint

it has a lot of obvious advantages over flash-based ssds, only a few of their weaknesses.

edit: forgot to mention, check out that endurance rating biggrin.gif
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looks at price....



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QUOTE(craxors @ Oct 28 2017, 09:31 AM)
Did.

Most result showed m.2 not detect... those such posts...lol..
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seriously? please show us one such results, and the exact mobo model of your asus z270 in question.

(the ones that i found didn't use asus boards, but apparently those boards support nvme ssds. the 'issues' were due to users not knowing how to configure their boards, or did something wrong)

QUOTE(Lurker @ Oct 28 2017, 12:36 PM)
looks at price....
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yeah that price also, although it's much cheaper than the previous enterprise-level p4800x.

well, at least it's now in consumer market haha after a few years we should expect some other relatively affordable choices.

normal users really don't need this lol it's for prosumers actually.

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sifu, please I need help.

I have a 256gb intel 600p installed with the latest intel ssd toolbox. It is my boot drive with latest windows build 16299. My board is asrock ab350 which does not have fast boot but ultra fast boot.

If I disable fast boot, my pc works fine. However, if I use ultra fast boot, my pc may black screen some time after booting into windows. iinm, my disk activity led doesnt blink. Sometimes worse case is BSOD with watchdog error..

Any idea what is the cause?


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QUOTE(Songchien @ Oct 29 2017, 12:59 AM)
sifu, please I need help.

I have a 256gb intel 600p installed with the latest intel ssd toolbox. It is my boot drive with latest windows build 16299. My board is asrock ab350 which does not have fast boot but ultra fast boot.

If I disable fast boot, my pc works fine. However, if I use ultra fast boot, my pc may black screen some time after booting into windows. iinm, my disk activity led doesnt blink. Sometimes worse case is BSOD with watchdog error..

Any idea what is the cause?
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this part might be related to incompatibility of the bios and os. i think you should find this out from their user manual, user comments or reviews to see if there are optimal settings for the two to run properly.

btw it's ok to run with fast boot disabled. it sounds like a waste of feature, but if i were you i will just pick stability than frequent bsods.
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QUOTE(horns @ Oct 27 2017, 02:47 AM)
850 evo is backed by 5-year warranty, sandisk ultra 3d has 3 years.
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Mind I ask does nvme SSD works on old z97 platform? I'm still running z97 and 4790k, alot of oem nvme SSD at garage sale..looks tempting
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QUOTE(PowerSlide @ Oct 29 2017, 03:20 PM)
Oh yeah forget 5 years warranty on Samsung as well vs 3 on SanDisk

Mind I ask does nvme SSD works on old z97 platform? I'm still running z97 and 4790k, alot of oem nvme SSD at garage sale..looks tempting
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i have an asrock z97 extreme6, and it works fine with pcie ssds as boot drive. instead of using m.2 slot, i use pcie slot.

--

about optane-based consumer ssds, there are a number of advantages over flash-based ssds that need to be highlighted:

1. high through-puts for low queue depths (qd-1 to 4);
2. no slow-down even if it's full (no need op to achieve performance consistency);
3. high endurance (about 6 times higher);
4. no need to get higher capacity to get higher performance;
5. no need trim command;
6. no need secure erase to restore performance.

intel 900p is still the first iteration of product release. it will definitely become better just like previous development cycles of flash-based ssds.

however, like performance nvme ssds, not many can make full use of it. looking at its current price, it's still better to get flash-based ssds.
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QUOTE(horns @ Oct 29 2017, 05:42 PM)
i have an asrock z97 extreme6, and it works fine with pcie ssds as boot drive. instead of using m.2 slot, i use pcie slot.

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about optane-based consumer ssds, there are a number of advantages over flash-based ssds that need to be highlighted:

1. high through-puts for low queue depths (qd-1 to 4);
2. no slow-down even if it's full (no need op to achieve performance consistency);
3. high endurance (about 6 times higher);
4. no need to get higher capacity to get higher performance;
5. no need trim command;
6. no need secure erase to restore performance.

intel 900p is still the first iteration of product release. it will definitely become better just like previous development cycles of flash-based ssds.

however, like performance nvme ssds, not many can make full use of it. looking at its current price, it's still better to get flash-based ssds.
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for the adapter to plug into pcie slot does any of them work or need to buy specific brand?

also those oem nvme ssd will there be any compatability issue?

i never use before so i dont know, better make sure before i buy them
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hi guys,

im on my way to upgrade my PC to an x299 platform and i've included a samsung 960 evo 250gb nvme ssd in the upgrades list.

what i'd like to know is should i use it as an OS ssd or as a game ssd for overall better performance? currently i have a lite-on mu3 240gb which i store my games, and my pc is usually idle when not in use; i rarely turn it off.

thanks for the advise in advance guys.

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QUOTE(PowerSlide @ Oct 29 2017, 07:54 PM)
for the adapter to plug into pcie slot does any of them work or need to buy specific brand?

also those oem nvme ssd will there be any compatability issue?

i never use before so i dont know, better make sure before i buy them
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for pcie adapter, get one with heat sink, or fan if possible. if not, use m.2 slot with heat sink.

oem or not they are just different distribution channels. they will work fine.

QUOTE(x-1o8-x @ Oct 29 2017, 09:10 PM)
hi guys,

im on my way to upgrade my PC to an x299 platform and i've included a samsung 960 evo 250gb nvme ssd in the upgrades list.

what i'd like to know is should i use it as an OS ssd or as a game ssd for overall better performance? currently i have a lite-on mu3 240gb which i store my games, and my pc is usually idle when not in use; i rarely turn it off.

thanks for the advise in advance guys.
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use 960 evo as os drive. it will be relatively more responsive than sata.
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So the dinosaur HDD brick is showing its age.....time to get something more responsive. What would you guys recommend for someone that is a bit constricted on budget? Just gonna put OS and some frequently used software on it..

Thanks
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QUOTE(GameFr3ak @ Oct 30 2017, 03:03 PM)
So the dinosaur HDD brick is showing its age.....time to get something more responsive. What would you guys recommend for someone that is a bit constricted on budget? Just gonna put OS and some frequently used software on it..

Thanks
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the basic option is a small budget sata ssd (preferably 240gb range or above; 120gb range might be too small, and their performance are not that great). the better brands are samsung, intel, sandisk, and kingston. (they have least issues)

for choices, you can check out garage sales section here for good deals. (some are old drives; but they are still ok, especially those that come with mlc nand)

note that it all depends on budget, and 'you get what you pay for'. (for good used drives, this sometimes doesn't apply hehe)
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bought oem intel 600p 512gb m.2 from garage sales.

installing windows 10 pro... took me <15 minutes...

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bought oem intel 600p 512gb m.2 from garage sales.

installing windows 10 pro... took me <15 minutes...

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did you do it while the pc has internet connectivity? for w10 installation it's usually better to unplug the lan cable first. it will be much faster because you can skip all online checking processes that can be done after install.

congratulations on the new toy lol that will last you for quite some time.
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QUOTE(horns @ Oct 31 2017, 04:47 PM)
did you do it while the pc has internet connectivity? for w10 installation it's usually better to unplug the lan cable first. it will be much faster because you can skip all online checking processes that can be done after install.

congratulations on the new toy lol that will last you for quite some time.
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yes. i did skip the internet conn..

booting with the only m.2 is really fast.. but when plug in the other old hdds, take some time to go in... even with fast boot enable.

i wish i can skip for bios checking peripherals during boot-up... hmm.gif
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QUOTE(craxors @ Oct 31 2017, 04:59 PM)
yes. i did skip the internet conn..

booting with the only m.2 is really fast.. but when plug in the other old hdds, take some time to go in... even with fast boot enable.

i wish i can skip for bios checking peripherals during boot-up...  hmm.gif
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ok haha

yes of course the more hardware are connected the slower the boot time. if you had many hdds, it's better to convert an old pc to house them instead.

to me boot time of under 1 minute is fine enough. what matters more is after boot
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QUOTE(craxors @ Oct 31 2017, 04:59 PM)
yes. i did skip the internet conn..

booting with the only m.2 is really fast.. but when plug in the other old hdds, take some time to go in... even with fast boot enable.

i wish i can skip for bios checking peripherals during boot-up...  hmm.gif
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Hahaha I have the 256gb version. If I enable ultra fast boot can boot in 5.6s. But it's unstable.

Had to disable ultra fast boot. Boot time becomes 12.6s. This is with a 6 years old mechanical drive as my storage.
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QUOTE(Songchien @ Oct 31 2017, 11:48 PM)
Hahaha I have the 256gb version. If I enable ultra fast boot can boot in 5.6s. But it's unstable.

Had to disable ultra fast boot. Boot time becomes 12.6s. This is with a 6 years old mechanical drive as my storage.
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The screen sometimes can go blank itself and the led activity of disk drive wont blink at all. Sometimes it will show BSOD error watchdog. Then if I reboot it, it will go into windows but will shut down within seconds.

The thing is if I boot with disabled fast boot, then switch back to ultra fast boot again, it will be stable for sometime. Then the whole instability repeat again.

In the end, I resort to disabled fast boot.
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QUOTE(Songchien @ Nov 1 2017, 12:09 AM)
The screen sometimes can go blank itself and the led activity of disk drive wont blink at all. Sometimes it will show BSOD error watchdog. Then if I reboot it, it will go into windows but will shut down within seconds.

The thing is if I boot with disabled fast boot, then switch back to ultra fast boot again, it will be stable for sometime. Then the whole instability repeat again.

In the end, I resort to disabled fast boot.
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wow...

did u already update bios to latest one?
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wow...

did u already update bios to latest one?
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Yup. my board is asrock ab350 itx. P3.10 latest. Even the latest windows creators fall update didnt help.

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im on my way to upgrade my PC to an x299 platform and i've included a samsung 960 evo 250gb nvme ssd in the upgrades list.

what i'd like to know is should i use it as an OS ssd or as a game ssd for overall better performance? currently i have a lite-on mu3 240gb which i store my games, and my pc is usually idle when not in use; i rarely turn it off.

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Anyone know the distri for Crucial SSDs? Trying to find their BX300 series SATA SSDs, so far with no avail.
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Anyone know the distri for Crucial SSDs? Trying to find their BX300 series SATA SSDs, so far with no avail.
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no idea. here is the list of distributors, https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/505086 have you tried search engines?

alternatively you can also order from crucial.com if for some reasons you must use the particular model.
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no idea. here is the list of distributors, https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/505086 have you tried search engines?

alternatively you can also order from crucial.com if for some reasons you must use the particular model.
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Thanks for the link. Apparently there aren't anyone carrying Crucial atm. Out of the list of two distributors, I think one went out of business while the other only carry Micron's enterprise SSDs. crucial.com is the best bet for Crucial SSDs then. As to why, you've also mentioned in a previous post the BX300 is one of the rare consumer SSDs that employs MLC over TLC.
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QUOTE(Sprit @ Nov 2 2017, 10:26 AM)
Thanks for the link. Apparently there aren't anyone carrying Crucial atm. Out of the list of two distributors, I think one went out of business while the other only carry Micron's enterprise SSDs. crucial.com is the best bet for Crucial SSDs then. As to why, you've also mentioned in a previous post the BX300 is one of the rare consumer SSDs that employs MLC over TLC.
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oh no wonder the coverage of crucial drives is so low now. the damage and impacts due to bad ratings of previous ssd releases were really serious.

bx300 is indeed a good option. to some extents, it's crucial's attempt to gain back market shares and consumer confidence imo.
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QUOTE(horns @ Oct 28 2017, 02:18 PM)
seriously? please show us one such results, and the exact mobo model of your asus z270 in question.

(the ones that i found didn't use asus boards, but apparently those boards support nvme ssds. the 'issues' were due to users not knowing how to configure their boards, or did something wrong)
yeah that price also, although it's much cheaper than the previous enterprise-level p4800x.

well, at least it's now in consumer market haha after a few years we should expect some other relatively affordable choices.

normal users really don't need this lol it's for prosumers actually.
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Proud pc master race here😄😄👍👍💻💻💸💸

Every day sure got new hardware launch unlike konsol and iphone hahahaha
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haha a lot of sellers also raise the price ridiculously because of rare stuff like 900p. it's currently at least double of msrp biggrin.gif

intel optane/xpoint is a better technology for ssd. however the even better one is the part when they replace ram; relatively cheaper, and can provide more capacities.


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Saw two WD blue 250gb SSD, one is NAND and one is not. Is there any difference between them? Which one should I buy for OS?
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Saw two WD blue 250gb SSD, one is NAND and one is not. Is there any difference between them? Which one should I buy for OS?
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what do you mean? all current wd ssds use nand. what's the other one that doesn't use nand?
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hey hi guys
i need help with m.2 stuff. i'm really confused. need some examples if possible
the board im using is Asus Z170p-d3
it has an m.2 slot with 'M' key

mobo link

If im not mistaken to tap in to the speed of the nvme x4 pcie, i will need pcie x4 speed on board, meaning sharing. I have a GPU slot x16 and another secondary pcie x16. If I were to plug in an m.2 ssd, that means it will bring down my gpu to x8 or so? even with nvme x4 and normal m.2 @ x2?

ps : how to know the drives (ssd drives) is x4 or x2?

I'm really confused like no daylight here. pls someone help and give examples?
as i've never played with m.2 before

thanks

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QUOTE(Shoot@M3 @ Nov 12 2017, 07:29 PM)
hey hi guys
i need help with m.2 stuff. i'm really confused. need some examples if possible
the board im using is Asus Z170p-d3
it has an m.2 slot with 'M' key

mobo link

If im not mistaken to tap in to the speed of the nvme x4 pcie, i will need pcie x4 speed on board, meaning sharing. I have a GPU slot x16 and another secondary pcie x16. If I were to plug in an m.2 ssd, that means it will bring down my gpu to x8 or so? even with nvme x4 and normal m.2 @ x2?

ps : how to know the drives (ssd drives) is x4 or x2?

I'm really confused like no daylight here. pls someone help and give examples?
as i've never played with m.2 before

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i guess you should refer to its mobo manual for this, then do trials and errors. you might be able to use tools like hwinfo64 for effective pcie lanes used; or you can also email asus support directly for answers.

my best guess is that the pci-e lanes for m.2 slot is from z170 chip. for gpu you should still get x16.
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what do you mean? all current wd ssds use nand. what's the other one that doesn't use nand?
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What I mean was this

WD blue ssd no mention of NAND

and this

This one got mentioned NAND
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QUOTE(Oyaji @ Nov 13 2017, 06:48 AM)
both use nand flash; tlc nand to be exact. you should have checked their respective tech sheets to make sure, or at least checked out tech review sites to get to know more. the difference is that the old one uses planar tlc, while the newer one uses 3d tlc nand
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thanks bro
yeah i just downloaded and went thru the manual about PCIE and M.2
it did say if plug in 2nd GPU card, 2nd one will be x4 (x4 is good enuf for nvme)
I guess the M.2 Key M slot is only for M
but the B key drive can also plug into the pcie lanes on the 2nd slot
reason im asking is dun wana buy wrong drive and end up selling it off later
anyway, i probably need to do trial error here already

cheers

Edit: Just found out i can't connect m.2 directly onto my PCIE port, need the pcie card adapter for this..
oh well, time to hit the garage sales looking for another M key M.2 drive it is then..
QUOTE(horns @ Nov 13 2017, 02:01 AM)
i guess you should refer to its mobo manual for this, then do trials and errors. you might be able to use tools like hwinfo64 for effective pcie lanes used; or you can also email asus support directly for answers.

my best guess is that the pci-e lanes for m.2 slot is from z170 chip. for gpu you should still get x16.
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QUOTE(Shoot@M3 @ Nov 13 2017, 03:13 PM)
thanks bro
yeah i just downloaded and went thru the manual about PCIE and M.2
it did say if plug in 2nd GPU card, 2nd one will be x4 (x4 is good enuf for nvme)
I guess the M.2 Key M slot is only for M
but the B key drive can also plug into the pcie lanes on the 2nd slot
reason im asking is dun wana buy wrong drive and end up selling it off later
anyway, i probably need to do trial error here already

cheers

Edit: Just found out i can't connect m.2 directly onto my PCIE port, need the pcie card adapter for this..
oh well, time to hit the garage sales looking for another M key M.2 drive it is then..
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if the manual or specs said the m.2 slot supported both pcie and sata ssds, usually it means it's compatible for both m and b key ssds.

using pcie adapter with heat sink or fan is a better option, because you can reduce heat impacts on ssd significantly. just be sure to check compatibility with the ssd that you're going to use first. (e.g. for m key ssds you can use adapter from asus, or third party adapters)

since you are gonna use pcie slots, it's better to use pcie ssds so that it at least can run at x4 full speed.
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you sure about this bro?
as the website and specs did say for M key
It's not for B key i think
and yeah it is compatible with sata/pcie on my board
but could be some M key drive out there only runs on sata lanes?

so a B key drive for my mobo is a no no i think
QUOTE(horns @ Nov 13 2017, 04:01 PM)
if the manual or specs said the m.2 slot supported both pcie and sata ssds, usually it means it's compatible for both m and b key ssds.
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QUOTE(Shoot@M3 @ Nov 13 2017, 04:09 PM)
you sure about this bro?
as the website and specs did say for M key
It's not for B key i think
and yeah it is compatible with sata/pcie on my board
but could be some M key drive out there only runs on sata lanes?

so a B key drive for my mobo is a no no i think
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nope not sure, because i don't have the mobo to verify this.

the safer option is just use the pcie slots. get the m key compatible adapter and use m key ssds (which are usually the faster pcie ssds)
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ah okok
no prob
i see what i can do here
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nope not sure, because i don't have the mobo to verify this.

the safer option is just use the pcie slots. get the m key compatible adapter and use m key ssds (which are usually the faster pcie ssds)
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it was reported that samsung z-nand will compete with intel's optane.

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/25929...s-intels-optane
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/samsung-z...tane,35956.html
https://www.anandtech.com/show/11206/samsun...ows-off-a-z-ssd
https://www.techpowerup.com/238952/samsungs...h-intels-optane
http://www.samsung.com/us/labs/pdfs/collat...gy_Brief_v5.pdf

however, technically intel's optane is a different animal and given time it can expand to even more usage. on paper z-nand looks nice but there are still many unanswered questions, including endurance.


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Is it normal to have error SSD is corrupted or failing when installing win 10 in old SSD in New pc?

It's an old SSD but getting same error in old and new pc. I still can install. By ignoring the message though. Checked the health and its 99% healthy
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Is it normal to have error SSD is corrupted or failing when  installing win 10 in old SSD in New pc?

It's an old SSD but getting same error in old and new pc. I still can install. By ignoring the message though. Checked the health and its 99% healthy
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no it's not normal afaik. what's your ssd model?
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no it's not normal afaik. what's your ssd model?
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Partitioned in 2 drives and I never wipe the D drive. I read that I have to format whole disk to clear the error but I dun feel like doing it
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Partitioned in 2 drives and I never wipe the D drive. I read that I have to format whole disk to clear the error but I dun feel like doing it
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oh. you should do that, especially when you use the same drive for many years without doing anything low-level like formatting. use their tool crucial executive to do a secure wipe or reset. (there is no need to do many times; just when you really need it)

actually i always wipe my ssds when i do a fresh os install. (about every six months once) don't worry about its so-called 'limited' life span. for instance, i have done the same many times with my os drive in aw18 for years (old samsung sm841 512gb), and now its health is still at 98%.
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QUOTE(horns @ Nov 21 2017, 11:53 PM)
oh. you should do that, especially when you use the same drive for many years without doing anything low-level like formatting. use their tool crucial executive to do a secure wipe or reset. (there is no need to do many times; just when you really need it)

actually i always wipe my ssds when i do a fresh os install. (about every six months once) don't worry about its so-called 'limited' life span. for instance, i have done the same many times with my os drive in aw18 for years (old samsung sm841 512gb), and now its health is still at 98%.
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so I have done deleted all the partitions but still getting the same error. tried chkdsk too

any method I can try?

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so I have done deleted all the partitions but still getting the same error. tried chkdsk too

any method I can try?

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97% healthy, but it's labelled bad? did this 'bad' status appear before you deleted partitions?

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97% healthy, but it's labelled bad? did this 'bad' status appear before you deleted partitions?
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i remembered i did a very quick check on my old laptop with this SSD and it was healthy but when i was trying to format it, i can see the message the ssd state is failing(at partition page) but still allows me to next and install as usual
my old laptop have lot issues that involving lot of hard reset when troubleshooting. also did a lot of formatting trying to resurrect

now i am using back the old ssd in new pc rig. BIOS and win10 installation page shows the SSD failing. run the health check and saw this bad message.
how about the read state error?
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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Nov 22 2017, 12:41 AM)
i remembered i did a very quick check on my old laptop with this SSD and it was healthy but when i was trying to format it, i can see the message the ssd state is failing(at partition page) but still allows me to next and install as usual
my old laptop have lot issues that involving lot of hard reset when troubleshooting. also did a lot of formatting trying to resurrect

now i am using back the old ssd in new pc rig. BIOS and win10 installation page shows the SSD failing. run the health check and saw this bad message.
how about the read state error?
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no wonder. did you ever upgrade its firmware before? crucial m4 had issues when it was still a mainstream and one of the favorites among us. however i thought some of the more issues have been taken care of with firmware updates. from the total nand writes, it hardly reaches 20TB written. (so imo 97% is a correct reading) the 'bad' status might indicate there are other parts that are failing, maybe not related to nand.

at this point, you can try to reset it with crucial storage executive, but please note that it might not work as expected anymore.

edit: if you haven't updated its firmware, try to give it a go first. again, it might not work as expected, and it might make it a brick permanently. nevermind, your ssd is running its latest firmware. the more probable chance to get it right might be a reset/secure erase.

about read state error, i have no idea tbh. when i checked the ssd compatibility with crystal diskinfo, it has a note about crucial m4; but not sure if the firmware fixed the issue, https://crystalmark.info/software/CrystalDi...fo/index-e.html

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QUOTE(horns @ Nov 22 2017, 01:31 AM)
no wonder. did you ever upgrade its firmware before? crucial m4 had issues when it was still a mainstream and one of the favorites among us. however i thought some of the more issues have been taken care of with firmware updates. from the total nand writes, it hardly reaches 20TB written. (so imo 97% is a correct reading) the 'bad' status might indicate there are other parts that are failing, maybe not related to nand.

at this point, you can try to reset it with crucial storage executive, but please note that it might not work as expected anymore.

edit: if you haven't updated its firmware, try to give it a go first. again, it might not work as expected, and it might make it a brick permanently. nevermind, your ssd is running its latest firmware. the more probable chance to get it right might be a reset/secure erase.

about read state error, i have no idea tbh. when i checked the ssd compatibility with crystal diskinfo, it has a note about crucial m4; but not sure if the firmware fixed the issue, https://crystalmark.info/software/CrystalDi...fo/index-e.html
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Storage execs how's health is good though. But I don't see secure wipe option in there
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Storage execs how's health is good though. But I don't see secure wipe option in there
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from the video at crucial storage exec site, it should be called 'sanitize drive', http://www.crucial.com/usa/en/support-storage-executive

however, it seemed that m4 is still not supported. so i found this, https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/807506-erasing-an-ssd

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QUOTE(horns @ Nov 22 2017, 01:57 PM)
from the video at crucial storage exec site, it should be called 'sanitize drive', http://www.crucial.com/usa/en/support-storage-executive

however, it seemed that m4 is still not supported. so i found this, https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/807506-erasing-an-ssd
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i will give it a try but if still fails then i guess i have to get a new SSD.

i probably will leave this crucial ssd as secondary drive for less important files like games until it died.

i believe samsung evo ssd is very reliable since it has 5 years warranty? how about other brands?
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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Nov 22 2017, 02:05 PM)
i will give it a try but if still fails then i guess i have to get a new SSD.

i probably will leave this crucial ssd as secondary drive for less important files like games until it died.

i believe samsung evo ssd is very reliable since it has 5 years warranty? how about other brands?
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yes try to resurrect it if possible. it's too bad that it fails so early; it still have plenty of nand writes.

for now, imo samsung 850 evo is still considered one of the good drives, coupled with its longer warranty support. there is another one from crucial called bx300. however due to uncertainty regarding local distributionship, warranty might be an issue unless you're willing to go directly to crucial.com
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QUOTE(horns @ Nov 22 2017, 03:41 PM)
yes try to resurrect it if possible. it's too bad that it fails so early; it still have plenty of nand writes.

for now, imo samsung 850 evo is still considered one of the good drives, coupled with its longer warranty support. there is another one from crucial called bx300. however due to uncertainty regarding local distributionship, warranty might be an issue unless you're willing to go directly to crucial.com
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probably it is failing due to the frequent BSOD/freeze from my old laptop but never expect it is that fast.
i have to hit F1 key everytime after reboot to clear the error

in my new pc with this SSD, i also faced few hang(fresh installed win 10) after leaving it idle for short of time. not sure if it is SSD related.


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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Nov 22 2017, 03:54 PM)
probably it is failing due to the frequent BSOD/freeze from my old laptop but never expect it is that fast.
i have to hit F1 key everytime after reboot to clear the error

in my new pc with this SSD, i also faced few hang(fresh installed win 10) after leaving it idle for short of time. not sure if it is SSD related.
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that might be the case. things like frequent bsod/freezes are actually bad for our systems in general, so it's best to get rid of them asap to prevent even more damages to other components.

for your new pc, i really suggest you get a new ssd for at least os drive, and convert the old ssd into external storage. it's really not good for your system.
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QUOTE(horns @ Nov 22 2017, 04:02 PM)
that might be the case. things like frequent bsod/freezes are actually bad for our systems in general, so it's best to get rid of them asap to prevent even more damages to other components.

for your new pc, i really suggest you get a new ssd for at least os drive, and convert the old ssd into external storage. it's really not good for your system.
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Agree, better to use new SSD for your OS
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fair enough

have to spend another RM440 for samsung evo.

any cheaper alternative? sandisk?
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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Nov 22 2017, 04:08 PM)
fair enough

have  to spend another RM440 for samsung evo.

any cheaper alternative? sandisk?
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the second choice for me is kingston hyperx fury. however it's just few ringgit cheaper than 850evo. (few ringgit vs. additional 2-year warranty for a new ssd)

for sandisk drives, i never use one sorry. (even if i do, i choose extreme pro; pricing wise it's not ideal for your budget)

you should scout garage sales for more options also.
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QUOTE(horns @ Nov 22 2017, 05:05 PM)
the second choice for me is kingston hyperx fury. however it's just few ringgit cheaper than 850evo. (few ringgit vs. additional 2-year warranty for a new ssd)

for sandisk drives, i never use one sorry. (even if i do, i choose extreme pro; pricing wise it's not ideal for your budget)

you should scout garage sales for more options also.
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Then I'm going to get Samsung from garage sales.

My pc hang again now so I guess can't be helped. Will make it as secondary disk for games
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Then I'm going to get Samsung from garage sales.

My pc hang again now so I guess can't be helped. Will make it as secondary disk for games
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.. that's really bad :/ good luck hunting man



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QUOTE(horns @ Nov 22 2017, 05:43 PM)
.. that's really bad :/ good luck hunting man
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grabbed samsung 256gb ssd for rm440. i could get rm420 from lazada after discount but just couldn't wait any longer tongue.gif
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good for you smile.gif

hopefully all are good for you after this. i recommend 850 evo because here we have several machines running on it. never had issues before. (about 2+ years already; it's the same for kingston hyperx fury)
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QUOTE(horns @ Nov 22 2017, 09:27 PM)
good for you smile.gif

hopefully all are good for you after this. i recommend 850 evo because here we have several machines running on it. never had issues before. (about 2+ years already; it's the same for kingston hyperx fury)
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Btw do you run overprovisioning?
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Btw do you run overprovisioning?
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yes i do. usually 15% for normal usage; at least 20% for work purposes. op is useful when the user-accessible capacity is almost full.

op helps maintaining speed/performance of ssd, since its controller can have direct access to confirmed unallocated space for its tasks, instead of spending more time to free up space for same tasks. it also helps to reduce write amplifications.
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yes i do. usually 15% for normal usage; at least 20% for work purposes. op is useful when the user-accessible capacity is almost full.

op helps maintaining speed/performance of ssd, since its controller can have direct access to confirmed unallocated space for its tasks, instead of spending more time to free up space for same tasks. it also helps to reduce write amplifications.
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cool i will do that next
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cool i will do that next
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hi guys,

any recommendation for a ~500gb ssd that will be used to install and store games? preferably cheaper ones and using sata6 port
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hi guys,

any recommendation for a ~500gb ssd that will be used to install and store games? preferably cheaper ones and using sata6 port
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500 GB Samsung EVO @ USD 140.
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hi guys,

any recommendation for a ~500gb ssd that will be used to install and store games? preferably cheaper ones and using sata6 port
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scout the garage sales section and see if you can get any oem ssds. i found one good stuff but it's 1tb, https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4464131
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QUOTE(horns @ Nov 28 2017, 04:54 PM)
scout the garage sales section and see if you can get any oem ssds. i found one good stuff but it's 1tb, https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4464131
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RM 990 around USD 24x. This one good & same performance with EVO/PRO? hmm.gif EOL

http://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/produ...N1T0HMJP?ia=831

This post has been edited by g104: Nov 28 2017, 05:06 PM
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RM 990 around USD 24x. This one good & same performance with EVO/PRO?  hmm.gif EOL

http://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/produ...N1T0HMJP?ia=831
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it's 850 evo equivalent. (the last time i checked they use same nand chips physically)

well, it's dirt cheap. the usual 850 evo 1tb is around 1.6k. eol yeah, but that doesn't affect its performance. (btw the seller claimed that they offer 12-month warranty, one-to-one exchange)
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QUOTE(horns @ Nov 28 2017, 05:48 PM)
it's 850 evo equivalent. (the last time i checked they use same nand chips physically)

well, it's dirt cheap. the usual 850 evo 1tb is around 1.6k. eol yeah, but that doesn't affect its performance. (btw the seller claimed that they offer 12-month warranty, one-to-one exchange)
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Not too shabby. The latest one PM871b (64-layer V-NAND)

http://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/produ...N1T0HAJQ?ia=831
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QUOTE(horns @ Nov 28 2017, 04:54 PM)
scout the garage sales section and see if you can get any oem ssds. i found one good stuff but it's 1tb, https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4464131
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that is pretty cheap for a 1TB but it's kinda out of my budget at the moment. I was thinking more like 600 or below, Samsung's 850 Evo 500GB is unfortunately out of the range as well. I noticed that mainstream brand ~500GBs would be around 7xx - 9xx

I'm currently using a Lite-On PH3-CE240 for my games so I guess I'm ok with such quality of a SSD since they didn't give me any problem so far.
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QUOTE(g104 @ Nov 28 2017, 08:29 PM)
Not too shabby. The latest one PM871b (64-layer V-NAND)

http://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/produ...N1T0HAJQ?ia=831
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yes that's the latest smile.gif well, as long as they're readily available, then it's a good choice too hehe

QUOTE(x-1o8-x @ Nov 28 2017, 11:56 PM)
that is pretty cheap for a 1TB but it's kinda out of my budget at the moment. I was thinking more like 600 or below, Samsung's 850 Evo 500GB is unfortunately out of the range as well. I noticed that mainstream brand ~500GBs would be around 7xx - 9xx

I'm currently using a Lite-On PH3-CE240 for my games so I guess I'm ok with such quality of a SSD since they didn't give me any problem so far.
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how about sk hynix oem? https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4314164 myr 450

i never used this brand before so i'm not sure about its performance.
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QUOTE(horns @ Nov 29 2017, 12:08 AM)
yes that's the latest smile.gif well, as long as they're readily available, then it's a good choice too hehe
how about sk hynix oem? https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4314164 myr 450

i never used this brand before so i'm not sure about its performance.
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I'm using Kingston RAM, which came with Hynix. I don't trust Hynix DRAM, but I wonder why this type of OEM can simply sell?

I bought used WD10EZEX from LYN which lasted for a few months only. I'm scared with LYN seller, especially HDD/SSD.

If read the review SK Hynix Canvas SC300 still quite decent with MLC & 2D NAND. RM 90 bucks different I personally go for the Samsung TLC V-NAND.

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Samsung 850 & no more EVO/PRO anymore.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/12085/the-sa...50-120gb-review
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QUOTE(g104 @ Nov 29 2017, 12:12 AM)
I'm using Kingston RAM, which came with Hynix. I don't trust Hynix DRAM, but I wonder why this type of OEM can simply sell?

I bought used WD10EZEX from LYN which lasted for a few months only. I'm scared with LYN seller, especially HDD/SSD.

If read the review SK Hynix Canvas SC300 still quite decent with MLC & 2D NAND. RM 90 bucks different I personally go for the Samsung TLC V-NAND.
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hynix dram is ok; at least they're stable at stock speed. for oc i'm not sure.

QUOTE(g104 @ Nov 29 2017, 12:34 AM)
like the article said, it's better to get 240gb range for better performance.

when each nand has larger capacity, that means fewer nand chips are used in ssd, which in turn means parallelism needed for sustaining ssd performance will be reduced further. this happened to crucial drives before, resulting their small capacity ssd to become under-performed/slower than advertised.

edit: note that this doesn't mean the new samsung ssd 850 is bad. from the charts, they are still performing rather fine.

This post has been edited by horns: Nov 29 2017, 10:47 AM
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hynix dram is ok; at least they're stable at stock speed. for oc i'm not sure.
like the article said, it's better to get 240gb range for better performance.

when each nand has larger capacity, that means fewer nand chips are used in ssd, which in turn means parallelism needed for sustaining ssd performance will be reduced further. this happened to crucial drives before, resulting their small capacity ssd to become under-performed/slower than advertised.

edit: note that this doesn't mean the new samsung ssd 850 is bad. from the charts, they are still performing rather fine.
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850 is a bad move for Samsung as they reduced the warranty cry.gif
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RIP Samsung evo / pro 850 laugh.gif
850 is a bad move for Samsung as they reduced the warranty cry.gif
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nah. it's not easy to replace the places of 850 evo/pro in consumer sata ssd category.

850 is entry-level ssd. it will be much cheaper.

on the other hand, maybe there will be new stuff coming up.
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nah. it's not easy to replace the places of 850 evo/pro in consumer sata ssd category.

850 is entry-level ssd. it will be much cheaper.

on the other hand, maybe there will be new stuff coming up.
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so it will going to replace 750 line up?
anyway entry level ssd not my cup of tea whistling.gif
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so it will going to replace 750 line up?
anyway entry level ssd not my cup of tea whistling.gif
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yes the new 850 is replacing 750. it seems like samsung is trying to bring up the performance bar in the entry-level segment, which is nice, however the room for improvements might be too small to get noticed.

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tried western digital portable ssd before. transfer to my phone very fast using type c.
im thinking to buy 256g x400 m.2 and transcend m80s enclosure. mainly for data transfer between pc to pc/phone. any issue will arise?

oh the x400 is OEM.
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QUOTE(Coldf3ar @ Nov 30 2017, 11:21 PM)
tried western digital portable ssd before. transfer to my phone very fast using type c.
im thinking to buy 256g x400 m.2 and transcend m80s enclosure. mainly for data transfer between pc to pc/phone. any issue will arise?

oh the x400 is OEM.
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it shouldn't have any issue. hm i should get one too. thanks for this enclosure smile.gif
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Hi guys,

Want to ask regarding Intel 540, thinking to upgrade my few years old 530 to 540 but I read online say that 540 is using TLC, so how is the reliability compared to my current 530?

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QUOTE(hurricane21 @ Dec 4 2017, 08:28 AM)
Hi guys,

Want to ask regarding Intel 540, thinking to upgrade my few years old 530 to 540 but I read online say that 540 is using TLC, so how is the reliability compared to my current 530?

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in short, don't buy if you have other better options
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woohoo got great SSD deals here rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif

price need 2 times 4.2 though hahahaha drool.gif drool.gif


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are there any ~500gb ssd that's around RM500 or RM1 per gb?
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are there any ~500gb ssd that's around RM500 or RM1 per gb?
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check the previous page for sk hynix oem ssd with price tag myr 450

alternatively, please do some leg work for sweet deals like this. there is lazada (might have good discounts for you) and lelong. usually retail price for a typical 500gb range sata ssd is about myr 700+
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QUOTE(horns @ Dec 5 2017, 10:47 AM)
check the previous page for sk hynix oem ssd with price tag myr 450

alternatively, please do some leg work for sweet deals like this. there is lazada (might have good discounts for you) and lelong. usually retail price for a typical 500gb range sata ssd is about myr 700+
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wow thanks for the recommendation

yea ik they're about 700+ typically for popular brands, was wondering if there were any less popular brands that sell for cheaper. will check out that sk hynix recommendation tho!
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wow thanks for the recommendation

yea ik they're about 700+ typically for popular brands, was wondering if there were any less popular brands that sell for cheaper. will check out that sk hynix recommendation tho!
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usually the only option to have such price is to go for oem ssds (which are much cheaper due to lack of proper warranty coverage, management tools, and firmware support)
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usually the only option to have such price is to go for oem ssds (which are much cheaper due to lack of proper warranty coverage, management tools, and firmware support)
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I don't trust OEM laugh.gif doh.gif
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I don't trust OEM laugh.gif  doh.gif
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you should, especially those well-known brands. if you're not concerned about benefits of retail drives, they're equally good. (some are better than the current offerings)

e.g. i have some samsung oem sata drives, consumer and enterprise grade. they are running without issues for few years now. my oldest oem drive is from fujitsu (now it's one of external storage that i carry around frequently). there was this one time, i thought i bricked it due to my carelessness. all data was gone (i have backups so all are good hehe); and it's undetectable by any system. after a brief power cycling, it came back to life. today, its health is still above 95% lol

for my usage at work, it's better to skip entry-level ssds. i have tried few transcend s370. one of them failed after few months of use. it's hard failure. nothing could revive it. also, i feel some sluggishness when using them as os drive, for some reasons. (btw transcend's cloning utility is not bad)
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off-topic: Mega Memory is here, from crucial. it's 128gb per stick, mainly for servers. they call it LRDIMM, load-reduced DIMM

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/25992...w-128gb-lrdimms
http://www.crucial.com/usa/en/ct128g4zfe426s

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liteon LCS-512M6S 512GB
Micron MTFDDAK512MBF 512GB

between the 2 above and corsair force LS 480gb, which one would be a better choice in terms of reliability and performance?
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liteon LCS-512M6S 512GB
Micron MTFDDAK512MBF 512GB

between the 2 above and corsair force LS 480gb, which one would be a better choice in terms of reliability and performance?
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in terms of reliability and performance, i think i will pick micron. i never used this model before. however i think micron/crucial is ok (still running on their old 2x m500 960gb in one of my machines; never had issues)

however if you looked for retail warranty support, corsair force ls. (not related to reliability or performance, just fyi)
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Just bought the EK-M.2 NVMe Heatsink for my Samsung 950 Pro 512GB

Bought from here: https://www.lelong.com.my/ekwb-ek-m-2-nvme-...7-01-Sale-I.htm

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Temperature before installing the heatsink: (after running CrystalDiskMark 64 Bit @ 32GB)
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Temperature after installing the heatsink: (after running CrystalDiskMark 64 Bit @ 32GB)
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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Dec 18 2017, 07:38 PM)
Just bought the EK-M.2 NVMe Heatsink for my Samsung 950 Pro 512GB

Bought from here: https://www.lelong.com.my/ekwb-ek-m-2-nvme-...7-01-Sale-I.htm

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Temperature before installing the heatsink: (after running CrystalDiskMark 64 Bit @ 32GB)
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Temperature after installing the heatsink: (after running CrystalDiskMark 64 Bit @ 32GB)
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nice temps

before this have you been using any cooling for the nvme? or was it all bare naked?
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QUOTE(horns @ Dec 15 2017, 01:08 PM)
in terms of reliability and performance, i think i will pick micron. i never used this model before. however i think micron/crucial is ok (still running on their old 2x m500 960gb in one of my machines; never had issues)

however if you looked for retail warranty support, corsair force ls. (not related to reliability or performance, just fyi)
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thanks for the input bro

after much consideration i think i'll go ahead and go with a retail SSD mainly for the warranty. but now im in such a dilemma cause i kinda want the 500gb 960 evo but the price is quite high, not to mention im already using a 250gb 960 evo as my boot drive and im not sure if I'd be willing to sacrifice 3 sata ports for 2 nvme SSDs which could get bottlenecked when running simultaneously (though unlikely to run together)

for gaming storage, is an NVMe too overkill at the moment?
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QUOTE(x-1o8-x @ Dec 18 2017, 10:15 PM)
nice temps

before this have you been using any cooling for the nvme? or was it all bare naked?
Naked bro
About a year ago, I was using the card below because my Gigabyte Z97X-Gaming G1 doesn't have any built-in M.2 slot eventhough it fully supports NVMe SSDs
But after I switch to Gigabyte X99-Ultra Gaming, I have no use for this card anymore

Although the cooling effect of the card below is way better than the EK-M.2 NVMe Heatsink because it manage to lower the idle temperature to 36°C
Probably because it has a fan which makes it an active cooling instead of passive cooling like the EK-M.2

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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Dec 19 2017, 12:24 AM)
Naked bro
About a year ago, I was using the card below because my Gigabyte Z97X-Gaming G1 doesn't have any built-in M.2 slot eventhough it fully supports NVMe SSDs
But after I switch to Gigabyte X99-Ultra Gaming, I have no use for this card anymore

Although the cooling effect of the card below is way better than the EK-M.2 NVMe Heatsink because it manage to lower the idle temperature to 36°C
Probably because it has a fan which makes it an active cooling instead of passive cooling like the EK-M.2

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Hmm i see. I guess having even a 40mm fan does work wonders. Been thinking lately of getting a 2nd NVMe for my gaming rig but the 2nd slot doesnt have any cooling option atm as I'd have to fabricate a holder for a 40mm fan.

Surprisingly Asus's ROG heatsink managed to cool down my 960 evo nvme to around 52c during 32gb benchmark via crystaldiskmark
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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Dec 18 2017, 07:38 PM)
Just bought the EK-M.2 NVMe Heatsink for my Samsung 950 Pro 512GB

Bought from here: https://www.lelong.com.my/ekwb-ek-m-2-nvme-...7-01-Sale-I.htm

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Temperature before installing the heatsink: (after running CrystalDiskMark 64 Bit @ 32GB)
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Temperature after installing the heatsink: (after running CrystalDiskMark 64 Bit @ 32GB)
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that's a decent max temp for small form factor passive heat sinks like this one.

QUOTE(x-1o8-x @ Dec 18 2017, 10:19 PM)
thanks for the input bro

after much consideration i think i'll go ahead and go with a retail SSD mainly for the warranty. but now im in such a dilemma cause i kinda want the 500gb 960 evo but the price is quite high, not to mention im already using a 250gb 960 evo as my boot drive and im not sure if I'd be willing to sacrifice 3 sata ports for 2 nvme SSDs which could get bottlenecked when running simultaneously (though unlikely to run together)

for gaming storage, is an NVMe too overkill at the moment?
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you should just get 960 evo 500gb (or even 1tb) at least in the first place.

for game storage, decent high capacity sata ssds are good enough imo. (1tb or more preferably) using nvme ssd for the same purpose is really an overkill.

QUOTE(sHawTY @ Dec 19 2017, 12:24 AM)
Naked bro
About a year ago, I was using the card below because my Gigabyte Z97X-Gaming G1 doesn't have any built-in M.2 slot eventhough it fully supports NVMe SSDs
But after I switch to Gigabyte X99-Ultra Gaming, I have no use for this card anymore

Although the cooling effect of the card below is way better than the EK-M.2 NVMe Heatsink because it manage to lower the idle temperature to 36°C
Probably because it has a fan which makes it an active cooling instead of passive cooling like the EK-M.2

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right active cooling is even better smile.gif

for nvme ssds, i still stick to pcie adapters with heat sink. i might get that adapter of yours as backup, just in case.

QUOTE(x-1o8-x @ Dec 19 2017, 12:33 AM)
Hmm i see. I guess having even a 40mm fan does work wonders. Been thinking lately of getting a 2nd NVMe for my gaming rig but the 2nd slot doesnt have any cooling option atm as I'd have to fabricate a holder for a 40mm fan.

Surprisingly Asus's ROG heatsink managed to cool down my 960 evo nvme to around 52c during 32gb benchmark via crystaldiskmark
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as long as the max temperature is at least 10c lower than advertised max temp of nvme ssds, it should be good enough. (of course, the lower the better)

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QUOTE(x-1o8-x @ Dec 19 2017, 12:33 AM)
Hmm i see. I guess having even a 40mm fan does work wonders
Actually, the fan on the add-on card I mentioned earlier is 50MM in size, not 40MM
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QUOTE(horns @ Dec 19 2017, 02:13 AM)
you should just get 960 evo 500gb (or even 1tb) at least in the first place.

for game storage, decent high capacity sata ssds are good enough imo. (1tb or more preferably) using nvme ssd for the same purpose is really an overkill.
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I kinda want my OS to have its own drive and not sharing with many games, besides 1 or 2 main online games. Not to mention I was budget strapped as well when upgrading almost all of my PC components so I couldn't pick the 500GB version (the main reason of all biggrin.gif)

QUOTE(sHawTY @ Dec 19 2017, 05:40 PM)
Actually, the fan on the add-on card I mentioned earlier is 50MM in size, not 40MM
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Ahh I see, though I doubt that'll make a huge difference like active fan vs passive heatsink comparison you showed earlier biggrin.gif

I've decided to go for the Samsung 850 EVO 500GB for my games since it comes with a 5 year warranty which is great peace of mind in my case.

Have you guys fully moved to SSD as in all your videos/music/downloads etc are all in SSDs now rather than HDD?
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QUOTE(x-1o8-x @ Dec 19 2017, 06:32 PM)
I kinda want my OS to have its own drive and not sharing with many games, besides 1 or 2 main online games. Not to mention I was budget strapped as well when upgrading almost all of my PC components so I couldn't pick the 500GB version (the main reason of all biggrin.gif)

Ahh I see, though I doubt that'll make a huge difference like active fan vs passive heatsink comparison you showed earlier biggrin.gif

I've decided to go for the Samsung 850 EVO 500GB for my games since it comes with a 5 year warranty which is great peace of mind in my case.

Have you guys fully moved to SSD as in all your videos/music/downloads etc are all in SSDs now rather than HDD?
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yeah it's better to have a dedicated os drive + data drives, separating data from system. it's always easier to manage a system this way.

well, budget constraint is a good thing you know smile.gif even if i always have extras to get things that i want in one-go, i try stick to my budget and plan to control my spending as much as i can. (i'm eyeing that intel optane 900p 480gb for quite some time now lol)

for game storage, i really suggest you go for larger capacity drives than 500gb. (games these days are huge. about budget constraint, just save more hehe because when the capacity doubles, the price is usually relatively cheaper) all these years i have bought quite a number of different drives for tests and work. they are really long lasting, as long as you optimize, use and maintain them properly.

i have a number of full-ssd setups. i don't use them for downloads (already have dedicated machines for downloads only). unless i have a gigabit internet, for now hdd is good enough for download purposes.
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QUOTE(x-1o8-x @ Dec 19 2017, 06:32 PM)
Have you guys fully moved to SSD as in all your videos/music/downloads etc are all in SSDs now rather than HDD?
Nope. SSD is only for installing & running Windows, software & games
Videos, musics, photos, software installer & games installer is still inside my 28TB NAS which uses 8x4TB conventional HDDs running RAID 5
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QUOTE(horns @ Dec 19 2017, 07:24 PM)
yeah it's better to have a dedicated os drive + data drives, separating data from system. it's always easier to manage a system this way.

well, budget constraint is a good thing you know smile.gif even if i always have extras to get things that i want in one-go, i try stick to my budget and plan to control my spending as much as i can. (i'm eyeing that intel optane 900p 480gb for quite some time now lol)

for game storage, i really suggest you go for larger capacity drives than 500gb. (games these days are huge. about budget constraint, just save more hehe because when the capacity doubles, the price is usually relatively cheaper) all these years i have bought quite a number of different drives for tests and work. they are really long lasting, as long as you optimize, use and maintain them properly.

i have a number of full-ssd setups. i don't use them for downloads (already have dedicated machines for downloads only). unless i have a gigabit internet, for now hdd is good enough for download purposes.
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I was thinking of a 1TB as well but the retail prices on them are kinda high (like double of 500GB so no discounts there), so for the time being I'll equip myself with a 500GB game storage (already have 240GB and I'm feeling the storage constrains a little). I know OEM SSDs are kinda cheap and for what I'm paying on retail I could get an OEM one for cheaper or even double the capacity, but for the time being I'll stick to retail warranty options.

I might get those OEM SSDs though once I roll out my "No HDD in rig" plan biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(x-1o8-x @ Dec 19 2017, 09:13 PM)
I was thinking of a 1TB as well but the retail prices on them are kinda high (like double of 500GB so no discounts there), so for the time being I'll equip myself with a 500GB game storage (already have 240GB and I'm feeling the storage constrains a little). I know OEM SSDs are kinda cheap and for what I'm paying on retail I could get an OEM one for cheaper or even double the capacity, but for the time being I'll stick to retail warranty options.

I might get those OEM SSDs though once I roll out my "No HDD in rig" plan biggrin.gif
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just go with your budget. it's just my suggestions smile.gif

some oem drives are actually very good stuff. it's just that not many are looking closely to find out hehe (yes, some others are just so-so)
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Crucial MX500 was released, and it has been received with recommendations from some well-known review sites for its value-for-money offer.

.. and they don't use a marvell controller in mx series. (past mx series usually use marvell controllers) this time, a silicon motion controller is used, which was usually found in bx series for value/budget ssd market segment. i used to skip drives with silicon motion controllers because their performance ratings were usually relatively poor.

the warranty period is now 5 years; and its endurance ratings is 360tbw

https://www.anandtech.com/show/12165/the-cr...-1tb-ssd-review
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/crucia...-nand,5390.html
https://hexus.net/tech/reviews/storage/1133...cial-mx500-1tb/
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Crucial/MX500_1_TB/
http://www.thessdreview.com/featured/cruci...-value-in-sata/

i think this is good for game drives lol

edit: forgot to mention, it uses tlc 3d-nand, and the price is one of the more affordable one among mainstream sata ssds.

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Between Samsung, Kingston, Trancend, Sandisk, which is a better SSD brand?

Target is 120GB. Not heavy user, not for gaming but for work, for laptop that runs on Celeron processor. I have 8gb RAM.
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QUOTE(TheBladeRunner @ Jan 4 2018, 11:03 AM)
Hello SSD experts,

Between Samsung, Kingston, Trancend, Sandisk, which is a better SSD brand?

Target is 120GB. Not heavy user, not for gaming but for work, for laptop that runs on Celeron processor. I have 8gb RAM.
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Samsung, intel, crucial, kingston and sandisk are brands with better qc and lower return rates. Between them, samsung and intel are relatively better.
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Great test to see the impact of the intel vulnerability patch
http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/windo...chmarked,1.html
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When OEM is life.
After many many years of using 128GB, finally decided to make a leap to a bigger capacity.

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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Jan 5 2018, 07:05 PM)
Great test to see the impact of the intel vulnerability patch
http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/windo...chmarked,1.html
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luckily slight drops only, so it's still ok for most of us. really hope that more manufacturers can release good fix for this in a more timely manner.


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QUOTE(Shufflerz @ Jan 6 2018, 12:12 AM)
When OEM is life.
After many many years of using 128GB, finally decided to make a leap to a bigger capacity.

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nice smile.gif this one will last for another many many years lol
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Plan to get one SSD just for OS drive. Having Samsung Evo 850 250GB and SanDisk SSD Plus 240GB in mind, but price diff is quite a lot (about RM150), any comment on that two in terms of price/value?
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QUOTE(RickRick88 @ Jan 9 2018, 09:50 AM)
Plan to get one SSD just for OS drive. Having Samsung Evo 850 250GB and SanDisk SSD Plus 240GB in mind, but price diff is quite a lot (about RM150), any comment on that two in terms of price/value?
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myr 150 is a relatively small price for more consistent read/write speeds, and a longer warranty period. internally samsung 850 evo has dram as cache, while sandisk ssd plus has none. (dram helps in ssd operations by a lot) also it's a comparison for a mainstream ssd vs value/entry-level ssd, so there will be a good gap between the two.

as always, please don't take my words for this. these two drives have been around for sometimes, so you should be able to pull out reviews and user comments pretty quickly with search engines. try compare them and see how it goes.

edit: in short to put in your perspective of price/value, imo samsung 850 evo is relatively better. other options might be sandisk ultra 3d and wd blue 3rd (these two are twins)

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anyone bought ssd from amazon before?

https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-2-5-Inch-Int...g+850+EVO+250GB
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QUOTE(malik229 @ Jan 9 2018, 11:31 AM)
no i never got ssds from amazon yet. however to me this is similar to a user getting oem ssds in local retail market (slightly better because you can still get firmware and software support).

the main point to consider is warranty. samsung doesn't have international warranty coverage. about the part if you can send it back to seller for warranty, yes it's possible, and it involves shipping costs (maybe to and fro), also provided that the seller is committed to do that for you.

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another one from crucial, mx500, https://www.anandtech.com/show/12165/the-cr...-1tb-ssd-review

it uses their own 64-layer tlc 3d nand; crucial/micron seem like replacing the controller from marvell with the one from silicon motion in all their new models.
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leaks showed that there will be a new 860 pro, supposedly replacing the current 850 pro (now up to 4tb), http://www.pcgamer.com/samsungs-site-is-sh...drive-for-1900/

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This is a huge ass heatsink
https://www.lazada.com.my/solid-state-hard-...-165018521.html

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wow. it will do the job fine, but it's more like home-made mod that we can get from many places with a much cheaper price.
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Nice looking add-on card ever for M.2
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/JEYI-KNIGHT...2844934438.html

Features:
# Full PCI-express X16 pins so it'll hold better than a short PCI-Express X4 pins
# Great cover
# 40MM blower fan
# Comes with 2 x M.2 heatsink so you can install on the M.2 SSD's
# Comes with several slots in 1 add-on card
1 x M.2 slot with B key for NVME SSD
1 x M.2 slot with M key for SATA SSD
1 x mSATA slot

Price: RM100

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Bought 1 of these each. Waiting for delivery, will upload some pictures once they've reached my doorstep

JEYI SK8 Pro - RM47
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JEYI KNIGHT - RM98
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sweet smile.gif even adapters are getting in beast mode.
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Anyone know where to buy laptop mounting screw for msata ssd? Does normal pc shop in sunway pyramid have one?

So happy bought new ssd, go home, open laptop, try to install... just that 1 screw is screwing my expectation  bangwall.gif
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Hi, did you manage to find the screw because i'm also looking for it.

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QUOTE(banhammerZ @ Jan 24 2018, 12:32 PM)
hi,wanted to buy my 1st ever ssd
how the sandisk 240gb plus?
any feedback?saw at shopee @ rm319
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for this model, i suggest you skip it, and find other choices.

from what i have read, it comes with different configurations (internal components) for the same model, like controller and nand part. some reports showed that certain batches use planar mlc, while others use planar tlc nand; and in general mlc > tlc nand, especially planar tlc. i personally don't like drives with this type of configurations even for home use. some companies have done this before for their certain models, and they didn't end well for both manufacturers and consumers.

again, don't take my words for it. please find out more existing user comments about the model, and justify yourself.
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QUOTE(banhammerZ @ Jan 24 2018, 08:39 PM)
ok ty for feedback..i not yet buy yet..will put on hold for now  biggrin.gif
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it's better to spend time looking for other options. it's really not a good choice.

i believe that a value/entry-level ssd still performs relatively better than a hdd. however once you use it for a workload beyond its performance limits, things will go south all the way. sometimes it can be even worse than hdd.
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What was you guys start up BIOS time that display in your task manager? Mine was like 13.0 seconds is a fresh new Samsung Evo 840 250 SSD fresh clean installed of Windows 10 Fall Creator.
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Hi, im using dell 7559 with Samsung 850 Evo m.2 sata3. my benchmark for read/write as below.

OS is on ssd, and all installed program, games, is on hard disk. I enable rapid using samsung magician as well
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QUOTE(NightFelix @ Jan 25 2018, 01:43 PM)
What was you guys start up BIOS time that display in your task manager? Mine was like 13.0 seconds is a fresh new Samsung Evo 840 250 SSD fresh clean installed of Windows 10 Fall Creator.
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nice smile.gif

it's 28s on mine. not fresh; many hardware.

QUOTE(pandera999 @ Jan 25 2018, 05:23 PM)
Hi, im using dell 7559 with Samsung 850 Evo m.2 sata3. my benchmark for read/write as below.

OS is on ssd, and all installed program, games, is on hard disk. I enable rapid using samsung magician as well
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sweet hehe

if you used romex primocache you can get even crazier numbers (for fun only; in real life, rapid mode is just as good for our usage lol)

you should apply OP (at least the recommended value), to prevent potential slowdown when the disk is almost full.

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QUOTE(horns @ Jan 25 2018, 06:18 PM)
nice smile.gif

it's 28s on mine. not fresh; many hardware.
sweet hehe

if you used romex primocache you can get even crazier numbers (for fun only; in real life, rapid mode is just as good for our usage lol)

you should apply OP (at least the recommended value), to prevent potential slowdown when the disk is almost full.
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eh.. i tot it suppose to be as below
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QUOTE(pandera999 @ Jan 25 2018, 06:27 PM)
eh.. i tot it suppose to be as below
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it's because of the samsung magician software using your RAM as cache when rapid mode is turned on
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QUOTE(pandera999 @ Jan 25 2018, 06:27 PM)
eh.. i tot it suppose to be as below
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that one is the actual speed, without rapid mode lol

like our friend said, samsung magician is using your system ram as cache for the ssd.
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QUOTE(x-1o8-x @ Jan 25 2018, 06:52 PM)
it's because of the samsung magician software using your RAM as cache when rapid mode is turned on
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QUOTE(horns @ Jan 25 2018, 08:06 PM)
that one is the actual speed, without rapid mode lol

like our friend said, samsung magician is using your system ram as cache for the ssd.
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which means, it is holding back the ssd speed max potential? hmm.gif pls enlighten me . thanks
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QUOTE(pandera999 @ Jan 25 2018, 08:22 PM)
which means, it is holding back the ssd speed max potential?  hmm.gif  pls enlighten me . thanks
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no. usually for a sata ssd like yours, it can only run up to the max advertised speeds (sequential r/w, random r/w, as shown in 850 evo m.2 specifications table). rapid mode in samsung magician uses a small part of your total system ram as cache for applications and data stored in your ssd. since ram is much faster than nand flash, this feature helps reduce application load time, and data reads/writes, hence making your system relatively more responsive. besides that it also helps reduce writes to ssd, hence prolong ssd's shelf life.
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QUOTE(horns @ Jan 26 2018, 12:47 AM)
no. usually for a sata ssd like yours, it can only run up to the max advertised speeds (sequential r/w, random r/w, as shown in 850 evo m.2 specifications table). rapid mode in samsung magician uses a small part of your total system ram as cache for applications and data stored in your ssd. since ram is much faster than nand flash, this feature helps reduce application load time, and data reads/writes, hence making your system relatively more responsive. besides that it also helps reduce writes to ssd, hence prolong ssd's shelf life.
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ahh i see.. this means... its a positive result on my system then. flex.gif
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QUOTE(horns @ Jan 25 2018, 06:18 PM)
nice smile.gif

it's 28s on mine. not fresh; many hardware.
sweet hehe

if you used romex primocache you can get even crazier numbers (for fun only; in real life, rapid mode is just as good for our usage lol)

you should apply OP (at least the recommended value), to prevent potential slowdown when the disk is almost full.
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So more hardware attached to it will make it boot longer right?

My laptop only shown 3.8 seconds for BIOS booting up while my desktop shown 13.0 seconds so I thought my desktop was not normal lol.

didn't know that yours are even longer than mine.
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QUOTE(pandera999 @ Jan 26 2018, 09:34 AM)
ahh i see.. this means... its a positive result on my system then.  flex.gif
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yes. rapid mode, or any other features like OP in most manufacturer-supplied ssd toolsets are normally optional and reversible. you can always turn them off anytime.

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samsung's sata-based 860 lineup is now here, up to 4tb now, https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung-ele...wered-by-v-nand

notably the respective warranties based on tbw are now boosted by a large margin for both 860 pro and evo, compared to previous 850 pro and evo, e.g. 850 evo 500gb is 150gb tbw; 860 evo 500gb is now 300gb tbw. the larger capacity models have reached tbw of petabytes now. (time-based warranty is the same 5-year for both pro and evo)

performance wise, since sata interface is the limit, there is not much to expect.
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QUOTE(NightFelix @ Jan 26 2018, 12:44 PM)
So more hardware attached to it will make it boot longer right?

My laptop only shown 3.8 seconds for BIOS booting up while my desktop shown 13.0 seconds so I thought my desktop was not normal lol.

didn't know that yours are even longer than mine.
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yes.

besides the number of devices connected, actually bios can also cause delays during boot-up (depending on bios settings). for desktop bios, if you don't care about those hardware checks, you can always turn their 'ultra fastboot' mode on.

laptop bios is usually more simplified, so the boot process takes much shorter time.

i don't care about boot time as long as it's within 30 secs hehe to me what matters is after successful boot-up, when i use the system to do stuff. (there are still plenty of things that i can turn off in bios to make it boot faster lol)
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QUOTE(horns @ Jan 26 2018, 02:03 PM)
yes.

besides the number of devices connected, actually bios can also cause delays during boot-up (depending on bios settings). for desktop bios, if you don't care about those hardware checks, you can always turn their 'ultra fastboot' mode on.

laptop bios is usually more simplified, so the boot process takes much shorter time.

i don't care about boot time as long as it's within 30 secs hehe to me what matters is after successful boot-up, when i use the system to do stuff. (there are still plenty of things that i can turn off in bios to make it boot faster lol)
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speaking of boot times, i have a friend with NVMe Sammy 960 pro installed

he used to enjoy blazing fast booting times after shutdowns. but recently he told me his bootups can last as long as 5mins shocking.gif

tested at his place yty, even after setting his BIOS to Ultra Fast, we managed to whittle down to about 1 1/2 mins.

symptoms begin after he pressed start on casing, then it takes pretty damn long for even to POST, before taking awhile for system to go to Windows splash and just loading longer with windows loading circle. once thats all done tho and logged in, everything is just as snappy as ever

what could be problem? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jan 28 2018, 04:45 PM)
speaking of boot times, i have a friend with NVMe Sammy 960 pro installed

he used to enjoy blazing fast booting times after shutdowns. but recently he told me his bootups can last as long as 5mins shocking.gif

tested at his place yty, even after setting his BIOS to Ultra Fast, we managed to whittle down to about 1 1/2 mins.

symptoms begin after he pressed start on casing, then it takes pretty damn long for even to POST, before taking awhile for system to go to Windows splash and just loading longer with windows loading circle. once thats all done tho and logged in, everything is just as snappy as ever

what could be problem? hmm.gif
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Based on my past experience, broken HDD.
Windows will attempt to power up the hdd after bios, if the hdd went bad, it will just keep detecting untill gives up, then finally boot into windows.
just my assumption though, bad ext hdd could be another cause too.

Or ssd going kaput sweat.gif
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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Jan 28 2018, 04:58 PM)
Based on my past experience, broken HDD.
Windows will attempt to power up the hdd after bios, if the hdd went bad, it will just keep detecting untill gives up, then finally boot into windows.
just my assumption though, bad ext hdd could be another cause too.

Or ssd going kaput sweat.gif
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thanks for your input, his rig IINM only has the 960 pro plugged in

The other HDDs are plugged externally

whelp, fingers crossed not the SSD, thatll be quite an expensive replacement
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jan 28 2018, 05:30 PM)
thanks for your input, his rig IINM only has the 960 pro plugged in

The other HDDs are plugged externally

whelp, fingers crossed not the SSD, thatll be quite an expensive replacement
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jan 28 2018, 04:45 PM)
speaking of boot times, i have a friend with NVMe Sammy 960 pro installed

he used to enjoy blazing fast booting times after shutdowns. but recently he told me his bootups can last as long as 5mins shocking.gif

tested at his place yty, even after setting his BIOS to Ultra Fast, we managed to whittle down to about 1 1/2 mins.

symptoms begin after he pressed start on casing, then it takes pretty damn long for even to POST, before taking awhile for system to go to Windows splash and just loading longer with windows loading circle. once thats all done tho and logged in, everything is just as snappy as ever

what could be problem? hmm.gif
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i suspect similar causes, i.e. very likely hardware related, like 1024kbps suggested, since it takes longer than usual to get to post. hdd is one of more common culprits, other connected external devices might cause this too, sometimes it might be mobo-related also. (feature-rich mobos tend to boot slower if no tweaks are done)

if i were your friend then i will try disconnect all external devices, then boot the pc and see if it helps. then connect these external devices one at a time, and performs boot to find out which one is causing issue.

1.5-minute boot time for ssd is slow in general. i don't think it's ssd issue in this case because everything is fine after logging in into the os.

edit: about the frozen 960 series issue, i actually didn't experience anything like it (i just updated the firmware recently. nothing happened before and after the firmware update)

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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Jan 28 2018, 05:40 PM)
just rechecked with friend, he confirmed to me its a 950 pro instead of 960 sweat.gif

my mistake

QUOTE(horns @ Jan 28 2018, 05:42 PM)
i suspect similar causes, i.e. very likely hardware related, like 1024kbps suggested, since it takes longer than usual to get to post. hdd is one of more common culprits, other connected external devices might cause this too, sometimes it might be mobo-related also. (feature-rich mobos tend to boot slower if no tweaks are done)

if i were your friend then i will try disconnect all external devices, then boot the pc and see if it helps. then connect these external devices one at a time, and performs boot to find out which one is causing issue.

1.5-minute boot time for ssd is slow in general.  i don't think it's ssd issue in this case because everything is fine after logging in into the os.
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yeah probably, as he has quite alot of external devices

ill ask him troubleshoot more


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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jan 28 2018, 05:46 PM)
just rechecked with friend, he confirmed to me its a 950 pro instead of 960 sweat.gif

my mistake
yeah probably, as he has quite alot of external devices

ill ask him troubleshoot more
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yes i think he should try trouble shooting more first, especially external devices. it shouldn't be related to the ssd.
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jan 28 2018, 04:45 PM)
speaking of boot times, i have a friend with NVMe Sammy 960 pro installed

he used to enjoy blazing fast booting times after shutdowns. but recently he told me his bootups can last as long as 5mins shocking.gif

tested at his place yty, even after setting his BIOS to Ultra Fast, we managed to whittle down to about 1 1/2 mins.

symptoms begin after he pressed start on casing, then it takes pretty damn long for even to POST, before taking awhile for system to go to Windows splash and just loading longer with windows loading circle. once thats all done tho and logged in, everything is just as snappy as ever

what could be problem? hmm.gif
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have you checked if his SSD is full or has high TBW just in case? In my experience, the culprit for extremely slow POST times were always due to HDD, or I've just finished flashing a new BIOS revision and it takes minutes to boot for the first few times, likely due to my OC settings and then it's quick as ever after that.
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have you checked if his SSD is full or has high TBW just in case? In my experience, the culprit for extremely slow POST times were always due to HDD, or I've just finished flashing a new BIOS revision and it takes minutes to boot for the first few times, likely due to my OC settings and then it's quick as ever after that.
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its a 512GB NVMe drive, left with about 100~GB, no idea about the TBW tho

dont think he updated BIOS recently also. no OC stuff as well, as he cant due to Xeon CPU on a X99 board anyway
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jan 28 2018, 11:11 PM)
its a 512GB NVMe drive, left with about 100~GB, no idea about the TBW tho

dont think he updated BIOS recently also. no OC stuff as well, as he cant due to Xeon CPU on a X99 board anyway
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on the side note, there should be some recent bios updates available for his mobo. (intel mei bug; intel meltdown/spectre bugs)

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intel's releasing a new nvme ssd, intel 760p. this might be the bang-for-the-buck 64-layer tlc 3d-nand ssd available in the market, according to some reviews.

https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Storage/Intel...undup-Bang-Buck
http://www.thessdreview.com/our-reviews/nv...p-review-512gb/

for enthusiasts, 900p might still be the better option. however for most users, this one is already good enough.

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QUOTE(horns @ Jan 29 2018, 02:25 AM)
on the side note, there should be some recent bios updates available for his mobo. (intel mei bug; intel meltdown/spectre bugs)

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intel's releasing a new nvme ssd, intel 760p. this might be the bang-for-the-buck 64-layer tlc 3d-nand ssd available in the market, according to some reviews.

https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Storage/Intel...undup-Bang-Buck
http://www.thessdreview.com/our-reviews/nv...p-review-512gb/

for enthusiasts, 900p might still be the better option. however for most users, this one is already good enough.
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any idea what does the Intel MEI does? cause it did prompt with some message of an issue (cant rmb exact message)

intel 760p is only for last resort if the NVMe ssd actually is faulty xD
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jan 29 2018, 02:38 AM)
any idea what does the Intel MEI does? cause it did prompt with some message of an issue (cant rmb exact message)

intel 760p is only for last resort if the NVMe ssd actually is faulty xD
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basically intel mei is like teamviewer in bios, for remote management of pc. it's actually useless for home use, but for some reasons there is no bios option for us to turn it off. (intel said the chip is required for 'many functions' in a system; hence it's treated like one of the core components in mobo)

https://security-center.intel.com/advisory....anguageid=en-fr
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/sup...9/software.html

oh. hopefully your friend doesn't need to reach that step of replacing the ssd.
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The JEYI SK8 Pro just arrived today
Ordered on 14 January 2018, just arrived today 30 January 2018. Took 16 days from China to Malaysia

Below are some pictures

Full Set (Missing 1 heatsink, seller already shipped the missing part, waiting for arrival)
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Back Of The Card
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Dual M.2 Slot (1 x M Key for NVME + 1 B key for SATA)
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Small Fan
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SATA port for M.2 B Key SSD
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After installing the heatsink into my Toshiba NVME SSD for my home server
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Before & After Using The JEYI SK8 Pro on my Toshiba 256GB NVME SSD
Also proves that high temperatures can throttle an SSD

There's a 23°C ~ 24°C temperature drop for both idle and max temperature

Before Using JEYI SK8 Pro
Idle - 62°C
Max - 79°C
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After Using JEYI SK8 Pro
Idle - 39°C
Max - 55°C
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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Jan 30 2018, 07:47 PM)
Before & After Using The JEYI SK8 Pro on my Toshiba 256GB NVME SSD
Also proves that high temperatures can throttle the SSD by a huge margin

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not bad. speed throttling due to high temperatures is always a thing for m.2 ssds. with such adaptors, i can make sure the ssds can run at full speed when necessary, and at least i myself will feel better than to always think of such hot components locating beside my other expensive hardware hehe
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QUOTE(horns @ Jan 30 2018, 07:57 PM)
not bad. speed throttling due to high temperatures is always a thing for m.2 ssds. with such adaptors, i can make sure the ssds can run at full speed when necessary, and at least i myself will feel better than to always think of such hot components locating beside my other expensive hardware hehe
If you want to buy the JEYI M.2 adaptor, I'd suggest you to buy the JEYI Knight instead of JEYI SK8

Indeed the price is doubled but the full length PCI-e X16 pins helps to hold the card better than the short PCI-e X4 pins
Still waiting for the delivery, as I ordered each of them on 2 different days
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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Jan 30 2018, 08:28 PM)
If you want to buy the JEYI M.2 adaptor, I'd suggest you to buy the JEYI Knight instead of JEYI SK8

Indeed the price is doubled but the full length PCI-e X16 pins helps to hold the card better than the short PCI-e X4 pins
Still waiting for the delivery, as I ordered each of them on 2 different days
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sweet thanks a lot for the tip! save me some troubles doing research again

yes i am gonna buy a few also for my current or next ssds.
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My server is using ASUS M5A99X Rev 2.0 motherboard so I couldn't get the full speed of the SSD since the motherboard only supports PCI-e 2.0
If it was running on PCI-e 3.0, it should reach around 1700MB/s

But since it's a server, I couldn't care less as long as the boot-up is faster than conventional SATA SSD's

Also, Toshiba NVME SSD is quite bad in my opinion, without heatsink + active cooling it could reach 79°C, and that's while using in a casing with high airflow
The NVME SSD that I'm using in my SSD comes from my company's HP EliteBook 840 G4, took it out because got free upgrade to Samsung SM951 512GB
Wonder why HP picked the Toshiba NVME SSD to be used in their laptops, imagine the temperatures if it was used inside the laptop doh.gif

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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Jan 31 2018, 01:51 AM)
My server is using ASUS M5A99X Rev 2.0 motherboard so I couldn't get the full speed of the SSD since the motherboard only supports PCI-e 2.0
If it was running on PCI-e 3.0, it should reach around 1700MB/s

But since it's a server, I couldn't care less as long as the boot-up is faster than conventional SATA SSD's

Also, Toshiba NVME SSD is quite bad in my opinion, without heatsink + active cooling it could reach 79°C, and that's while using in a casing with high airflow
The NVME SSD that I'm using in my SSD comes from my company's HP EliteBook 840 G4, took it out because got free upgrade to Samsung SM951 512GB
Wonder why HP picked the Toshiba NVME SSD to be used in their laptops, imagine the temperatures if it was used inside the laptop doh.gif
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maybe it's about cost factor. in general toshiba's nand is not bad.


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samsung's z-ssd is finally official now, https://www.anandtech.com/show/12376/samsun...-800gb-of-znand

it's an more affordable alternative for intel's optane ssd. however, optane ssd still outshines this one for workloads that emphasize on random writes. (due to limitations of nand flash technology; the gap between nand flash and 3d xpoint is still a thing)

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HI All, Today i have a DELL laptop that unable boot up windows. after checked by DELL engineer. He said it's the HDD problem. He replaced the HDD for me and then give me back the old one.

To be truth this is the first time i said this kind of SSD HDD. I need advise to find the adapter of this HDD so that i can restore the data from the HDD.

Thanks in adviance

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QUOTE(yeelong @ Feb 9 2018, 10:42 AM)
HI All, Today i have a DELL laptop that unable boot up windows. after checked by DELL engineer. He said it's the HDD problem. He replaced the HDD for me and then give me back the old one.

To be truth this is the first time i said this kind of SSD HDD. I need advise to find the adapter of this HDD so that i can restore the data from the HDD.

Thanks in adviance

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it's a m.2 sata ssd. you can use this, https://www.aliexpress.com/item/M2-NGFF-SSD...2793504068.html

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JEYI KNIGHT just arrived today
Took 19 days for it to arrive from China to Malaysia

Only have 1 picture for you guys tonight, will upload more later
This is way better than the JEYI SK8 PRO

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Hi sifu, I have question to ask about SSD. Currently my PC is only running on SATA 2 (3Gb/s), definitely I won't able to achieve the rated speed for SSD.

Will it benefit to add SSD to my system even-though only on SATA 2?


At the moment, I have a WD Velociraptor 1TB as my main drive.
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QUOTE(KahLooN @ Feb 10 2018, 09:26 AM)
Hi sifu, I have question to ask about SSD. Currently my PC is only running on SATA 2 (3Gb/s), definitely I won't able to achieve the rated speed for SSD.

Will it benefit to add SSD to my system even-though only on SATA 2?
At the moment, I have a WD Velociraptor 1TB as my main drive.
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Complete pictures for JEYI KNIGHT

The Full Set
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The Board [1 x M.2 M Key for NVMe SSD + 1 x M.2 B Key for SATA SSD + 1 x mSATA SSD]
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The Rear Of The Card
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The SATA Connectors
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The Exhaust Port
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The Cooling Fan
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Samsung 950 Pro Installed On The Board
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Card Installed On The Board
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QUOTE(KahLooN @ Feb 10 2018, 09:26 AM)
Hi sifu, I have question to ask about SSD. Currently my PC is only running on SATA 2 (3Gb/s), definitely I won't able to achieve the rated speed for SSD.

Will it benefit to add SSD to my system even-though only on SATA 2?
At the moment, I have a WD Velociraptor 1TB as my main drive.
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yes, although the overall speed is throttled by sata2 (typically max at around 250MB/s) you still can enjoy benefits from high iops from ssd.

QUOTE(sHawTY @ Feb 10 2018, 03:57 PM)
Complete pictures for JEYI KNIGHT

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there is a brand-new ssd optimization guilde for 2018, http://www.thessdreview.com/ssd-guides/opt...imization-2018/ (which include useful tips related to uefi bios)

be sure to read the article thoroughly, and understand that these optimizations are optional. our systems are built and set up differently, so don't apply the ones that can affect your system in a bad way. as always, system stability comes first.

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https://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Ultra-NAND-S...rds=Sandisk+1TB

1TB is getting cheaper...
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actually at garage sales section we can find oem units that cost below 1k.
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actually at garage sales section we can find oem units that cost below 1k.
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True, better get the one from garage sales since both of them don't really offer long term warranty.
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Is my Samsung PM951 128gb M.2 (NVMe) write speed being throttled?
I am on Lenovo laptop.

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Meanwhile my desktop Samsung 850 Evo 250gb SSD smokes the PM951 like no tomorrow.

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QUOTE(The Wonder @ Feb 23 2018, 12:50 AM)
Is my Samsung PM951 128gb M.2 (NVMe) write speed being throttled?
I am on Lenovo laptop.

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Meanwhile my desktop Samsung 850 Evo 250gb SSD smokes the PM951 like no tomorrow.

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you get the big numbers because of rapid mode, nvme ssd doesnt support rapid mode.
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QUOTE(The Wonder @ Feb 23 2018, 12:50 AM)
Is my Samsung PM951 128gb M.2 (NVMe) write speed being throttled?
I am on Lenovo laptop.

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no the write speed for pm951 128gb is this slow.

usually we don't compare speeds with rapid mode turned on. if you wanna run nvme ssds with speeds as rapid mode, use primocache.

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Sup fellas. Been a while since i last drop by here. laugh.gif rclxm9.gif Still awaiting 1TB ssd cheaper further. laugh.gif rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Feb 23 2018, 11:10 AM)
Sup fellas. Been a while since i last drop by here. laugh.gif rclxm9.gif Still awaiting 1TB ssd cheaper further. laugh.gif rclxms.gif
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at least SSD prices have remained stagnant or even dropping, unlike other parts biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Feb 23 2018, 11:10 AM)
Sup fellas. Been a while since i last drop by here. laugh.gif rclxm9.gif Still awaiting 1TB ssd cheaper further. laugh.gif rclxms.gif
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haha actually what's your target price for 1tb ssd?
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QUOTE(horns @ Feb 23 2018, 03:56 AM)
no the write speed for pm951 128gb is this slow.

usually we don't compare speeds with rapid mode turned on. if you wanna run nvme ssds with speeds as rapid mode, use primocache.
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haha actually what's your target price for 1tb ssd?
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.. that might need to take some time. maybe it's possible when qlc ssd is out, but the endurance rating might not be what you want.
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Dear All,

I am new to SSD, plan to purchase a 240GB or 256GB SSD drive for my PC just for OS and program.

Can i know what should i aware when choosing a SSD ?
Budget really limit and as cheap as possible.

So far the cheapest i saw in Low Yat is Transcend 220 Series ... any feedback on this brand and model ?

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QUOTE(dragonteoh @ Feb 26 2018, 10:04 AM)
Dear All,

I am new to SSD, plan to purchase a 240GB or 256GB SSD drive for my PC just for OS and program.

Can i know what should i aware when choosing a SSD ?
Budget really limit and as cheap as possible.

So far the cheapest i saw in Low Yat is Transcend 220 Series ... any feedback on this brand and model ?
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the rule of thumb for ssd purchase is always, 'you get what you pay for'. a good ssd is worth the price, and it will last for a long time. common brands with better quality controls are intel, samsung, crucial, sandisk (and maybe western digital), kingston. for ssds with tlc nand, choose those with 3d-nand.

sorry not sure about the performance of transcend 220. perhaps you should check out garage sales section for good deals also.

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QUOTE(horns @ Feb 26 2018, 10:31 AM)
the rule of thumb for ssd purchase is always, 'you get what you pay for'. a good ssd is worth the price, and it will last for a long time. common brands with better quality controls are intel, samsung, crucial, sandisk (and maybe western digital), kingston. for ssds with tlc nand, choose those with 3d-nand.

sorry not sure about the performance of transcend 220. perhaps you should check out garage sales section for good deals also.
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you're welcome.

these days we have many choices for consumer ssds. for sata-based options, we have entry-level, mainstream, and performance grades. for pcie-based options, we have mainstream and performance grades.

personally, i suggest skipping entry-level sata ssds which use planar tlc if possible, unless you're sure that their general performance, reliability and endurance are acceptable for your usage. if you intended to reuse them in new systems later on, then it's better to get at least mainstream options.

also, get new models if possible. the main reason for this is the recent change of warranty policies for some brands. for instance, 860 evo has much higher tbw warranty than 850 evo.

i know budget is a concern. however if price gap is acceptable, i really suggest you top up and get better ones.
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QUOTE(horns @ Feb 26 2018, 01:31 PM)
you're welcome.

these days we have many choices for consumer ssds. for sata-based options, we have entry-level, mainstream, and performance grades. for pcie-based options, we have mainstream and performance grades.

personally, i suggest skipping entry-level sata ssds which use planar tlc if possible, unless you're sure that their general performance, reliability and endurance are acceptable for your usage. if you intended to reuse them in new systems later on, then it's better to get at least mainstream options.

also, get new models if possible. the main reason for this is the recent change of warranty policies for some brands. for instance, 860 evo has much higher tbw warranty than 850 evo.

i know budget is a concern. however if price gap is acceptable, i really suggest you top up and get better ones.
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which would be the best value mainstream ssd to get?
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which would be the best value mainstream ssd to get?
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imo wd blue 3d nand/sandisk ultra 3d, and samsung 850/860 evo. it's too bad new crucial ssds are hard to get here.
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hi sifu here , i plan to upgrade my old sata2 laptop , any good entry level ssd recommended ?
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hi sifu here , i plan to upgrade my old sata2 laptop , any good entry level ssd recommended ?
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a final boost to an old system? imo you should get something mainstream, so that you can reuse it later when a new system arrives.

i'm not familiar with entry-level sata ssds because they were not good enough for my usage (serious drop of performance, which is slower than hdd, when they run out of cache)
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guys, wanna ask samsung 850 evo 250gb won't recognize in uefi boot? just replace laptop hdd to samsung evo 850 250gb. it just can't detect in uefi boot
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guys, wanna ask samsung 850 evo 250gb won't recognize in uefi boot? just replace laptop hdd to samsung evo 850 250gb. it just can't detect in uefi boot
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check laptop bios to see if it's detected first. i installed some on laptops also; no issues.

QUOTE(Piak Piak Piak @ Feb 26 2018, 10:43 PM)
Guys , is the WD SSD good ?
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wd blue 3d nand should be ok.
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check laptop bios to see if it's detected first. i installed some on laptops also; no issues.
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not detected. but able to install it. just that no uefi boot. uefi should have faster boot.
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not detected. but able to install it. just that no uefi boot. uefi should have faster boot.
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uh? by 'install', you mean installing the ssd physically without issues? what's the form factor of your ssd? 2.5"? m.2? msata? also, can you tell us your laptop model?

edit: laptop bios must be able to detect it before you can use it.

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not detected. but able to install it. just that no uefi boot. uefi should have faster boot.
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QUOTE(horns @ Feb 27 2018, 01:00 AM)
uh? by 'install', you mean installing the ssd physically without issues? what's the form factor of your ssd? 2.5"? m.2? msata? also, can you tell us your laptop model?

edit: laptop bios must be able to detect it before you can use it.
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2.5" 850 evo 250gb. bios no detect, but when i boot from usb windows installer, did see that.
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i didn't use rufus, straight use media creation tool direct to usb pendrive.
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2.5" 850 evo 250gb. bios no detect, but when i boot from usb windows installer, did see that.
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i'm confused. the bios cannot detect the ssd, but the os bootable usb disk can see it? how is this possible?
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QUOTE(iwubpreve @ Feb 27 2018, 12:07 AM)
2.5" 850 evo 250gb. bios no detect, but when i boot from usb windows installer, did see that.
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this happened to me before, when i tried to move my SSD from other computer to a new motherboard.
are you trying to do the same? is this ssd from other computer / motherboard?

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Just got this brand new Apacer Panther AS350 120gb.

Bios only detect 1 gb and inside windows disk management also same. Tested on 2 computers same result.

The SSD model number detect as SM2258AB-M0-0001M000 is the firmware brick.

There's a red light inside the SSD can be seen through the screw hole, Is this normal ?

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QUOTE(DEz012 @ Feb 28 2018, 12:27 AM)
Just got this brand new Apacer Panther AS350 120gb.

Bios only detect 1 gb and inside windows disk management also same. Tested on 2 computers same result.

The SSD model number detect as SM2258AB-M0-0001M000 is the firmware brick.

There's a red light inside the SSD can be seen through the screw hole, Is this normal ?
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maybe it's not a good sign. you should do a one-to-one exchange at the shop.
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QUOTE(horns @ Feb 27 2018, 01:18 AM)
i'm confused. the bios cannot detect the ssd, but the os bootable usb disk can see it? how is this possible?
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this happened to me before, when i tried to move my SSD from other computer to a new motherboard.
are you trying to do the same? is this ssd from other computer / motherboard?
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it only detect western digital HDD that I put in caddy (convert from optical DVD drive to HDD)
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it only detect western digital HDD that I put in caddy (convert from optical DVD drive to HDD)
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ok you were referring to boot sequence. i'm not familiar with your laptop but i think you should check system information instead to see if the ssd is detected properly. (i think the laptop detected it actually)

in your case it's very likely that the original os installation is interfering. try take out the hdd first, install new os in ssd, then check this page again.

after you're sure that the ssd is working, back up your data in the hdd, then clean it up using diskpart > clean. the best way to do this is to use a usb adapter, instead of plugging in the hdd directly into laptop to prevent it from interfering again.
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QUOTE(horns @ Feb 26 2018, 05:23 PM)
it's too bad new crucial ssds are hard to get here.
Crucial entered the Malaysian market too late
Same for their RAMs, hence why Crucial are rarely seen in here and most layman have never even heard of Crucial/Micron

I used to be Crucial's reseller so I know

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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Feb 28 2018, 11:14 AM)
Crucial entered the Malaysian market too late
Same for their RAMs, hence why Crucial are rarely seen in here and most layman have never even heard of Crucial/Micron

I used to be Crucial's reseller so I know
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oh then it's really too bad. yes stuff from crucial/micron are ok actually

i always thought it was because previous incidents (e.g. m4, m500) that caused it to become less popular here. the stories were always the same: unless the brand has very strong track records, and are able to rectify issues in time, all brands suffer from bad news, resulting in general distrusts from public. (imo crucial, sandisk, kingston, and plextor took heavy blows after respective incidents at different points of time in the past) all common brands were affected in one way or another. only a few can survive from such serious hits. (intel, samsung)

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QUOTE(horns @ Feb 28 2018, 11:57 AM)
oh then it's really too bad. yes stuff from crucial/micron are ok actually

i always thought it was because previous incidents (e.g. m4, m500) that caused it to become less popular here. the stories were always the same: unless the brand has very strong track records, and are able to rectify issues in time, all brands suffer from bad news, resulting in general distrusts from public. (imo crucial, sandisk, kingston, and plextor took heavy blows after respective incidents at different points of time in the past) all common brands were affected in one way or another. only a few can survive from such serious hits. (intel, samsung)
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You left out OCZ. That brand was a steaming pile of crap compared to Crucial but it still got a good following on this forum.
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You left out OCZ. That brand was a steaming pile of crap compared to Crucial but it still got a good following on this forum.
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ah yes ocz thanks smile.gif once a famous brand among us. however even after toshiba's takeover, and recent improvements in various areas, the damage was so bad that until today people are still staying away from it. ocz has done too many things wrong imo. if the management back then were more ethical, things might be different now.
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Wanna check...

What's the best bang for buck 250GB ssd in the market?
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Hi guys,

I'm currently using Samsung 850 EVO M.2 256GB SSD. I'm thinking of upgrading to a larger M.2 SSD size. However, my desktop only has one M.2 slot. How do I clone it ya?

Thanks in advance.
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Wanna check...

What's the best bang for buck 250GB ssd in the market?
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personally, samsung 860 evo. other options include wd blue 3d nand/sandisk ultra 3d, and samsung 850 evo

QUOTE(teng_08 @ Mar 5 2018, 07:34 PM)
Hi guys,

I'm currently using Samsung 850 EVO M.2 256GB SSD. I'm thinking of upgrading to a larger M.2 SSD size. However, my desktop only has one M.2 slot. How do I clone it ya?

Thanks in advance.
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there are several ways:
1. create a system image with windows' built-in backup tool, and install the image into new ssd (with bootable os installation usb stick);
2. create an image with third party cloning tools and install the image into new ssd (with bootable usb created with the same cloning tools)
3. use the new ssd with m.2-sata-compatible external enclosure / m.2-sata-to-pcie adapters then make a clone.

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QUOTE(horns @ Mar 5 2018, 07:46 PM)
personally, samsung 860 evo. other options include wd blue 3d nand/sandisk ultra 3d, and samsung 850 evo
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I was thinking of 860 evo as well, maybe I should just get that
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I was thinking of 860 evo as well, maybe I should just get that
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you should. performance wise, it's one of the top consumer sata ssds. putting its additional boosts in tbw and warranty period into accounts makes it an even better choice.

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QUOTE(horns @ Mar 6 2018, 01:57 AM)
you should. performance wise, it's one of the top consumer sata ssds. putting its additional boosts in tbw and warranty period into accounts makes it an even better choice.
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Yeap, the price difference is also minimal so might as well go for the new model. Thanks! nod.gif
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QUOTE(teng_08 @ Mar 5 2018, 07:34 PM)
However, my desktop only has one M.2 slot
What motherboard are you using right now?

Also if you want to upgrade, I would also suggest you to upgrade directly to NVMe but only if your system supports it
Although changing from AHCI to NVMe will require you to do a clean installation
QUOTE(horns @ Feb 28 2018, 11:57 AM)
i always thought it was because previous incidents
It's the sterotype of most Malaysians actually
The same thing goes with automative industry. Theres a reason why Honda & Toyota is still winning sales in Malaysia whereas in the US & UK, Hyundai & Kia sales is following very closely

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In Malaysia, which offer better RMA/Warranty?
Kingston VS Sandisk. Anyone have experience dealing with them?

I just bought the Sandisk SSD Plus 120GB, after compare with Kingston A400 for my spare laptop. lol laugh.gif
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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Mar 12 2018, 11:35 AM)
What motherboard are you using right now?

Also if you want to upgrade, I would also suggest you to upgrade directly to NVMe but only if your system supports it
Although changing from AHCI to NVMe will require you to do a clean installation
It's the sterotype of most Malaysians actually
The same thing goes with automative industry. Theres a reason why Honda & Toyota is still winning sales in Malaysia whereas in the US & UK, Hyundai & Kia sales is following very closely
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yes. stereotypes can be good or bad. however there are always chances for these manufacturers to fix stuff timely. just hope they can do that properly.

QUOTE(NightFelix @ Mar 13 2018, 02:47 PM)
In Malaysia, which offer better RMA/Warranty?
Kingston VS Sandisk. Anyone have experience dealing with them?

I just bought the Sandisk SSD Plus 120GB, after compare with Kingston A400 for my spare laptop. lol laugh.gif
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good question. i never rma mine yet. (all running fine)
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the global influence of 30-minute power outage at samsung's nand fab :/

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/samsung-p...taek,36670.html


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https://www.kitguru.net/components/ssd-driv...ream-consumers/

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now this is what i'm talking about biggrin.gif

need to check this out when it arrives.
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QUOTE(horns @ Mar 21 2018, 11:33 PM)
need to check this out when it arrives.
It's not for sale to the masses
The card will only be supplied inside MSI gaming desktops like the MSI INFINITE
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It's not for sale to the masses
The card will only be supplied inside MSI gaming desktops like the MSI INFINITE
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ah too bad :/

maybe we can check out asrock's adapter instead, http://www.thessdreview.com/raid-enterpris...-and-932k-iops/


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Hi guys,

I am on the market for a 240/250gb SSD and saw that the Intel 540s is selling at RM299. Is this a good buy compared to Crucial MX500 and Samsung 850 EVO? Both are selling at RM359 each. Thanks in advance.
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QUOTE(Oyaji @ Mar 25 2018, 08:09 AM)
Hi guys,

I am on the market for a 240/250gb SSD and saw that the Intel 540s is selling at RM299. Is this a good buy compared to Crucial MX500 and Samsung 850 EVO? Both are selling at RM359 each. Thanks in advance.
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if possible, don't save the extra few bucks, and get 850 evo. you get 2 more years of warranty.

QUOTE(tik tak tik tak @ Mar 25 2018, 09:05 AM)
i also looking for 1 240gb ssd...wanted 500gb but cant find below rm500

shoppe selling 1 transend 240gb for rm 255

and whats the different  between pendrive rapid X and rapid V
bcause saw lowyat selling at rm 265 like that
any sife can give recormand?
i nvr use ssd b4 in my life....using 500gb wd green all this while  laugh.gif
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if you're looking for entry-level ssds, i suggest you look at mainstream options, because of the following reasons:
1. the price gap between mainstream and entry-level is too small;
2. the performance gap between the two is relatively significant.

if you're really having budget constraints, well, entry-level is still fine for light usage, and they're still ok compared to hdd, when the usage is within their limits.
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QUOTE(Oyaji @ Mar 25 2018, 08:09 AM)
I am on the market for a 240/250gb SSD
QUOTE(tik tak tik tak @ Mar 25 2018, 09:05 AM)
i also looking for 1 240gb ssd
I strongly urge you two to get the Samsung 850 EVO
Their firmware updates is frequent & RMA services is top of the line

No doubt the price is higher but think of the 5 year warranty rather than other brands that only provides you 2 ~ 3 year warranty
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QUOTE(horns @ Mar 25 2018, 02:43 PM)
if possible, don't save the extra few bucks, and get 850 evo. you get 2 more years of warranty.
if you're looking for entry-level ssds, i suggest you look at mainstream options, because of the following reasons:
1. the price gap between mainstream and entry-level is too small;
2. the performance gap between the two is relatively significant.

if you're really having budget constraints, well, entry-level is still fine for light usage, and they're still ok compared to hdd, when the usage is within their limits.
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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Mar 25 2018, 03:17 PM)
I strongly urge you two to get the Samsung 850 EVO
Their firmware updates is frequent & RMA services is top of the line

No doubt the price is higher but think of the 5 year warranty rather than other brands that only provides you 2 ~ 3 year warranty
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ok thanks guys thumbup.gif
I'll shall get the samsung 850 evo biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Oyaji @ Mar 25 2018, 07:46 PM)
ok thanks guys thumbup.gif
I'll shall get the samsung 850 evo biggrin.gif
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you could consider 860 evo while you're at it. it's supposedly the successor of the 850 evo
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you could consider 860 evo while you're at it. it's supposedly the successor of the 850 evo
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860evo is like 23% more expensive than 850evo. yes internally 860evo has new 3d-nand, there is no significant performance gain.
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QUOTE(horns @ Mar 26 2018, 02:58 AM)
860evo is like 23% more expensive than 850evo. yes internally 860evo has new 3d-nand, there is no significant performance gain.
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ehhh didnt realize the price difference was that much shocking.gif
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ehhh didnt realize the price difference was that much  shocking.gif
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yeah well it really depends on how you see things. practically imo the older 850 evo is still ok.

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QUOTE(x-1o8-x @ Mar 26 2018, 02:51 AM)
you could consider 860 evo while you're at it. it's supposedly the successor of the 850 evo
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QUOTE(horns @ Mar 26 2018, 02:58 AM)
860evo is like 23% more expensive than 850evo. yes internally 860evo has new 3d-nand, there is no significant performance gain.
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860evo is out of reach for me and 850evo is already stretching my budget. I'll stick on getting 850evo since many praised it.
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QUOTE(Oyaji @ Mar 26 2018, 01:13 PM)
860evo is out of reach for me and 850evo is already stretching my budget. I'll stick on getting 850evo since many praised it.
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stretching budget a little for something that's worth your money is good. samsung 850 evo has been proven to be ok for years since its release.


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Anyone know why Samsung reduce their new ssd warranty period.? 3 n 5 years vs 5 n 10 years on their evo n pro series
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QUOTE(watermineral @ Mar 26 2018, 07:35 PM)
Anyone know why Samsung reduce their new ssd warranty period.? 3 n 5 years vs 5 n 10 years on their evo n pro series
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QUOTE(watermineral @ Mar 26 2018, 07:35 PM)
Anyone know why Samsung reduce their new ssd warranty period.? 3 n 5 years vs 5 n 10 years on their evo n pro series
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where did you get such a news about 860 evo? please share with us.

we know 860 pro is offered 5 years of warranty by samsung, compared to 850 pro (10 years)

from their official sites:
860evo, 5 years - http://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/minis...onsumer/860evo/
860pro, 5 years - http://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/minis...onsumer/860pro/

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QUOTE(horns @ Mar 26 2018, 07:59 PM)
where did you get such a news about 860 evo? please share with us.

we know 860 pro is offered 5 years of warranty by samsung, compared to 850 pro (10 years)

from their official sites:
860evo, 5 years - http://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/minis...onsumer/860evo/
860pro, 5 years - http://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/minis...onsumer/860pro/
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800 series vs 900 series
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QUOTE(watermineral @ Mar 26 2018, 08:17 PM)
800 series vs 900 series
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oh got it. not sure about actual reasons why 960 evo gets less warranty period.
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QUOTE(watermineral @ Mar 26 2018, 09:09 PM)
That’s the main reason I stick with their old product bangwall.gif
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it's good to be cost-conscious.

tbh, there is no need to go for 900 series if ssds are only used for office/gaming/home use imo. mainstream sata-based options is more than sufficient. go for capacities rather than speed.
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QUOTE(horns @ Mar 26 2018, 01:35 PM)
stretching budget a little for something that's worth your money is good
Stretching the budget to go from 850 EVO (AHCI) to 860 EVO (AHCI) = Definitely no need. You will not see the difference between these 2 at all

Stretching the budget to go from 850 EVO (AHCI) to 950 PRO (NVMe) /960 EVO (NVMe) /960 PRO (NVMe) = Definitely yes. But only if your device supports NVMe protocol

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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Mar 27 2018, 12:28 PM)
Stretching the budget to go from 850 EVO (AHCI) to 860 EVO (AHCI) = Definitely no need. You will not see the difference between these 2 at all

Stretching the budget to go from 850 EVO (AHCI) to 950 PRO (NVMe) /960 EVO (NVMe) /960 PRO (NVMe) = Definitely yes. But only if your device supports NVMe protocol
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haha yes for 850evo to 860evo, unless you wanna leverage on the doubled tbw that 860evo offers (most do not need to consider this because for common usage, it will take many years to deplete the original excpected tbw)

for ahci to nvme, if you like speedy everything, yes do it. there is a definite performance gap between the two. however for cost-conscious groups, i suggest to do it when you really need it (e.g. for work purposes that require more r/w/iops), because there is no significant improvements in user experience for common usage.

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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Mar 27 2018, 12:28 PM)
Stretching the budget to go from 850 EVO (AHCI) to 860 EVO (AHCI) = Definitely no need. You will not see the difference between these 2 at all

Stretching the budget to go from 850 EVO (AHCI) to 950 PRO (NVMe) /960 EVO (NVMe) /960 PRO (NVMe) = Definitely yes. But only if your device supports NVMe protocol
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How much different the price between 860 and 850?
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QUOTE(watermineral @ Mar 27 2018, 03:08 PM)
How much different the price between 860 and 850?
850 EVO 250GB - RM348
860 EVO 250GB - RM448
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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Mar 27 2018, 11:17 PM)
850 EVO 250GB - RM348
860 EVO 250GB - RM448
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if bundle puchase I might get that cheaper 850 evo
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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Mar 27 2018, 11:17 PM)
850 EVO 250GB - RM348
860 EVO 250GB - RM448
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what is the price for m.2 2280 size?
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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Mar 27 2018, 11:17 PM)
850 EVO 250GB - RM348
860 EVO 250GB - RM448
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I don know y Samsung ssd in Malaysia so exp.
The price here in aus
850 evo 250gb AUD129
860 evo 250gb AUD125
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QUOTE(watermineral @ Mar 28 2018, 02:07 PM)
I don know y Samsung ssd in Malaysia so exp.
The price here in aus
850 evo 250gb AUD129
860 evo 250gb AUD125
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with direct conversion of currency, that's not the case i think.

however it's interesting that 860 evo is slightly cheaper in Australia. good for you guys smile.gif
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QUOTE(lin@lowyat @ Mar 28 2018, 10:32 AM)
what is the price for m.2 2280 size?
Cari sendiri la
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QUOTE(tik tak tik tak @ Mar 30 2018, 09:46 AM)
etech kepong doing ssd promo ni..for galax brand
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QUOTE(tik tak tik tak @ Mar 30 2018, 11:29 AM)
bought 1 my self 2 days ago.got extra rm9 discout...so the 480gb rm 490..1st time use an ssd haha after so many years
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seems like SSD are getting closer to RM1 per 1GB.
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QUOTE(NightFelix @ Mar 30 2018, 05:23 PM)
seems like SSD are getting closer to RM1 per 1GB.
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My laptop SSD temperature is almost 85degC, is this normal?
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My laptop SSD temperature is almost 85degC, is this normal?
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no. the safe temperature should be around 70c. which ssd is this?
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no. the safe temperature should be around 70c. which ssd is this?
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Apr 1 2018, 09:57 PM)
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i mean which model? which form factor? is it in a laptop or a desktop?

it's not supposed to get so hot for normal usage.
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i mean which model? which form factor? is it in a laptop or a desktop?

it's not supposed to get so hot for normal usage.
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I forgot what is the model.. it is 128G, SATA and using for laptop
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I forgot what is the model.. it is 128G, SATA and using for laptop
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you can try put a laptop cooler under the laptop. see if it helps. however the better option might be servicing your laptop's cooling system.
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QUOTE(tik tak tik tak @ Apr 2 2018, 06:08 AM)
mine only 35c
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you can try put a laptop cooler under the laptop. see if it helps. however the better option might be servicing your laptop's cooling system.
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I will try with cooling system first,. Now need to dig where I put it last time
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just buy only..and i use on a decktop..
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I will try with cooling system first,. Now need to dig where I put it last time
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i mean the cooling system (vents, fans) in your laptop hehe

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i mean the cooling system (vents, fans) in your laptop hehe
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hmm... I am abit afraid to dismantal my laptop, not really a hands on techie guy..  cry.gif
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uh? in this case, you might need some pro helps to do this then.

which laptop model are you having? actually some laptops come with service manuals that you can refer to for self-service. i only get laptops that come with service manuals that include proper disassembly steps, so that i can mod and service them hehe

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uh? in this case, you might need some pro helps to do this then.

which laptop model are you having? actually some laptops come with service manuals that you can refer to for self-service. i only get laptops that come with service manuals that include proper disassembly steps, so that i can mod and service them hehe
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Hehe.. I am using Vaio, almost 5 years already.. maybe I just don't do anything about it.. almost time to change laptop


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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Apr 2 2018, 07:10 PM)
Hehe.. I am using Vaio, almost 5 years already.. maybe I just don't do anything about it.. almost time to change laptop
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oh. that's a long time without servicing. yeah that's one way to get rid of the problem haha

actually with proper servicing, i think it can still last for a while (another few years at least). functional but old computers, although not fit for current desktop workloads, can always be repurposed.


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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Apr 1 2018, 07:46 PM)
My laptop SSD temperature is almost 85degC, is this normal?
If that's a 2.5" SATA SSD, that's overheating
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https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/2...x?product=35125

Intel® SSD Firmware Update Tool 3.0.1
https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/2...l?product=35125


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QUOTE(Oyaji @ Apr 4 2018, 12:06 AM)
Settled for an Intel 540s as Samsung 850 run out of stock at viewnet. Got it for RM299.
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sifus sekalian, need some advice:

120gb ssd for desktop usage...between kingston A400 and liteon MU3, which one is recommended ?
liteon MU3 seems to have higher read/write performance against kingston A400..

thanks

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QUOTE(lyc1982 @ Apr 5 2018, 04:32 PM)
sifus sekalian, need some advice:

120gb ssd for desktop usage...between kingston A400 and liteon MU3, which one is recommended ?
liteon MU3 seems to have higher read/write performance against kingston A400..

thanks
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these are entry-level ssds. just get the one that you prefer more.
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QUOTE(lyc1982 @ Apr 5 2018, 04:32 PM)
sifus sekalian, need some advice:

120gb ssd for desktop usage...between kingston A400 and liteon MU3, which one is recommended ?
liteon MU3 seems to have higher read/write performance against kingston A400..

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both are the same., they used phison S11.. you can google for it..
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QUOTE(lyc1982 @ Apr 5 2018, 04:32 PM)
sifus sekalian, need some advice:

120gb ssd for desktop usage...between kingston A400 and liteon MU3, which one is recommended ?
liteon MU3 seems to have higher read/write performance against kingston A400..

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Get whichever cheaper or warranty claim easier for you.
At the end of the day,
1. It is SSD and faster than most HDD (feel like day and night)
2. Like above said, entry level are all the same anyway.
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QUOTE(NightFelix @ Apr 6 2018, 04:33 PM)
Get whichever cheaper or warranty claim easier for you.
At the end of the day,
1. It is SSD and faster than most HDD (feel like day and night)
2. Like above said, entry level are all the same anyway.
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it's been a long while. finally a worthy pair from other brands that can challenge samsung 960 series.

Western Digital Black & SanDisk Extreme Pro M.2 NVME SSDs
https://www.anandtech.com/show/12543/the-we...nand-ssd-review
http://www.thessdreview.com/featured/wd-bl...ssd-review-1tb/
http://www.legitreviews.com/wd-black-nvme-...d-review_204268
https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Storage/WD-Bl...iew-Outstanding
https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/8588/west...view/index.html

check their speeds, and warranty in tbw smile.gif
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Bought EKWB M.2 heatsink from lingloong yesterday, my Adata SX8000 temperature drop from 54c to 38c. Damn good. However it does not fully fit the ssd as i only can use a single clip on it.
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QUOTE(Bombgen @ Apr 11 2018, 10:51 AM)
Bought EKWB M.2 heatsink from lingloong yesterday, my Adata SX8000 temperature drop from 54c to 38c. Damn good. However it does not fully fit the ssd as i only can use a single clip on it.
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nice. just make sure the contact between the heat sink and controller is good (usually this is the hottest part in the ssd), the rest should be ok.
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QUOTE(horns @ Apr 11 2018, 10:57 AM)
nice. just make sure the contact between the heat sink and controller is good (usually this is the hottest part in the ssd), the rest should be ok.
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Anyway, for some reason i get unstable write speed from crystaldisk. Sometime it goes 1000mbps, sometime 300mbps. Read speed is stable, only write speed. This is nothing to do with the heatsink, any idea why?
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QUOTE(Bombgen @ Apr 11 2018, 11:01 AM)
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Anyway, for some reason i get unstable write speed from crystaldisk. Sometime it goes 1000mbps, sometime 300mbps. Read speed is stable, only write speed. This is nothing to do with the heatsink, any idea why?
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maybe it's the controller, sm2260 from silicon motions. (i think sx8000 has dram)

intel 600p uses the same controller without dram. bad results.
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QUOTE(Bombgen @ Apr 11 2018, 10:51 AM)
However it does not fully fit the ssd as i only can use a single clip on it.
Why?
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maybe it's the controller, sm2260 from silicon motions. (i think sx8000 has dram)

intel 600p uses the same controller without dram. bad results.
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I cant fit another clip on it, i dont know why, maybe it actually is not compatible
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What is this? I cant understand, so what can i do?
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well it's the internal part of the ssd. it's hardware, so i think there is nothing you can do about it.
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btw will using ccleaner will shorten an ssd life?bcause its a habit to clear it every few hours
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uh? a habit to clear what in every few hours? sorry don't understand your question

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QUOTE(kthxbai @ Apr 12 2018, 01:03 PM)
run the clear apps cache,clean up unuse files all those stuff around few mb or kb jer...its like a habit....
if i dun clear it ,i felt my ssd like dirty felling 🤔
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oh that will consume a few mb or kb for each cleanup. technically speaking yes it will shorten shelf life but realistically, not really that significant.

well, there is no need to do that so often.
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QUOTE(kthxbai @ Apr 12 2018, 01:09 PM)
ok.i really need to stop doing that....or maybe once a day is enuf haha.
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haha you should. they're cache. it's their job to be stored so that they can be served as cache smile.gif

you should turn them off if there are options for that, or move the cache location into hdd or ramdisk. (i use ramdisk to store my web browser cache; so they will be automatically cleared when i do a reboot)
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My Intel 540s benchmark, cheers. Not bad I guess. tongue.gif

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nice; yes it will be fine when you're using it within its limit (light client usage)

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QUOTE(horns @ Apr 22 2018, 10:33 AM)
nice; yes it will be fine when you're using it within its limit (light client usage)
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I used it for os and document storage in desktop so I think this is light already.
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I used it for os and document storage in desktop so I think this is light already.
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New Samsung 970 evo and 970 pro announced.
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New Samsung 970 evo and 970 pro announced.
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http://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/minis...onsumer/970evo/

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https://www.anandtech.com/show/12670/the-sa...-evo-ssd-review
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/samsun...eview,5573.html
http://www.thessdreview.com/our-reviews/nv...he-worlds-best/
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New Samsung 970 evo and 970 pro announced.
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Anandtech says purchasable worldwide on 7th May.
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^^ just about think to get a 960evo. now then wait 970 evo
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every generation of samsung evo ssds usually have enhancements and improvements over the previous. it's always better to get the latest if you had good budgets.
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think to upgrade to nvme samsung 960 but lot people say
for normal usage
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think to upgrade to nvme samsung 960 but lot people say
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Now entry level SSD are almost RM 1 per 1GB.
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QUOTE(horns @ Apr 28 2018, 02:56 PM)
yeah, generally speaking. however it's still depends on what you're looking for: performance or capacity that is.
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well, pretty sure SSD over HDD anytime if going for fast response PC like fast booting, fast open up some program/games etc..
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sure smile.gif

for common usage, it's really not a good choice to run os with hdd. too much time wasted mainly for waiting, just because you wanna save a few bucks.
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hi guys ,I looking for a ssd with 240gb. may I ask,other than Samsung 850. which ssd you guys suggest? my budget is within 850's price. 😁 tq
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hi guys ,I looking for a ssd with 240gb. may I ask,other than Samsung 850. which ssd you guys suggest? my budget is within 850's price. 😁 tq
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i just checked briefly with c-zone's price list. there is only one in the similar price range that i will pick (note: this is personal preference), wd blue 3d-nand version. however, wd blue 250gb is myr 368, 3-year warranty; samsung 850evo 250gb is myr 362, 5-year warranty

the rest i didn't check because they are of different classes.
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QUOTE(horns @ May 1 2018, 09:28 PM)
i just checked briefly with c-zone's price list. there is only one in the similar price range that i will pick (note: this is personal preference), wd blue 3d-nand version. however, wd blue 250gb is myr 368, 3-year warranty; samsung 850evo 250gb is myr 362, 5-year warranty

the rest i didn't check because they are of different classes.
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I bought crucial at viewnet just before your comment . price is 340 , warranty 5years. any comment? hehe
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I bought crucial at viewnet just before your comment . price is 340 , warranty 5years. any comment? hehe
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if it's a crucial mx500, i guess it's ok. it has better endurance rating than 850 evo. however the smi controller that it uses is usually performing poorly from past reviews. maybe things have changed.

all in all, since you have bought it, just enjoy its speed. within its limit it still performs fairly well smile.gif

edit: most mainstream sata ssds actually have very little performance differences, since most of them have already saturated the limit of sata since few years ago. if the ssd uses 3d-nand, just look at the controller, presence of dram, endurance rating, and warranty period to justify your purchase.

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QUOTE(horns @ May 2 2018, 12:41 AM)
if it's a crucial mx500, i guess it's ok. it has better endurance rating than 850 evo. however the smi controller that it uses is usually performing poorly from past reviews. maybe things have changed.

all in all, since you have bought it, just enjoy its speed. within its limit it still performs fairly well smile.gif

edit: most mainstream sata ssds actually have very little performance differences, since most of them have already saturated the limit of sata since few years ago. if the ssd uses 3d-nand, just look at the controller, presence of dram, endurance rating, and warranty period to justify your purchase.
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okay thanks.
although I don't really understand everything you mention.,but seems like crucial not really bad.
speed not really a matter ,but endurance. haha
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QUOTE(xiaot3ng @ May 2 2018, 01:16 PM)
okay thanks.
although I don't really understand everything you mention.,but seems like crucial not really bad.
speed not really a matter ,but endurance. haha
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when you get to know more about ssds you will be somewhat picky on internals so just ignore them

crucial is actually a good brand for ssds. they screwed up few times in the past but my ancient crucial drives are still working fine hehe
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QUOTE(horns @ May 2 2018, 01:52 PM)
when you get to know more about ssds you will be somewhat picky on internals so just ignore them

crucial is actually a good brand for ssds. they screwed up few times in the past but my ancient crucial drives are still working fine hehe
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I suppose to get a 850 evo,but out of stock. so I choose the 2nd choice on my list. wd blue is on third.
lets hope my mx500 won't disappoint me in five years. haha
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QUOTE(xiaot3ng @ May 2 2018, 02:43 PM)
I suppose to get a 850 evo,but out of stock. so I choose the 2nd choice on my list. wd blue is on third.
lets hope my mx500 won't disappoint me in five years. haha
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don't worry about it. my crucial m500's are also 5 years old already, and they are still running fine smile.gif
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don't worry about it. my crucial m500's are also 5 years old already, and they are still running fine smile.gif
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ok. will come here often since I have a ssd 😁
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haha you're welcome even without one
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haha you're welcome even without one
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it's me again...
ssd installed.
before ssd boot time is 22sec,now 18sec.
before ssd open app like 5sec ,now 2sec.
is that OK? haha
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it's me again...
ssd installed.
before ssd boot time is 22sec,now 18sec.
before ssd open app like 5sec ,now 2sec.
is that OK? haha
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it's ok, of course smile.gif

you system should be more responsive than before when it's with hdd as os disk.

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QUOTE(horns @ May 4 2018, 12:09 AM)
it's ok, of course smile.gif

you system should be more responsive than before when it's with hdd as os disk.
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friend asking whether worth to update? I said not really.
maybe tomorrow will test game ,let's see any difference.
thanks haha
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QUOTE(xiaot3ng @ May 4 2018, 12:20 AM)
ya that what I feel,but not too much. maybe just few sec.
friend asking whether worth to update? I said not really.
maybe tomorrow will test game ,let's see any difference.
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oh ok i guess you're the first one who said this smile.gif
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maybe just expect too high 🤣

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network lag cause multiple posts

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nonono don't get it wrong.
maybe just expect too high 🤣
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uh? it's fine haha you're right we all have different expectations.

ssds actually helps resolve the obvious bottlenecks of hdd, especially storage iops. however they're not cure-all smile.gif
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Intel Optane SSD 905P is coming.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/12700/intel-...05p-coming-soon
https://www.techspot.com/news/74458-intel-s...-905p-ssds.html
http://www.storagereview.com/intel_release...d_with_the_905p
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/intel-opt...rm-factors.html
https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Storage/Intel...w-Bigger-XPoint
https://hothardware.com/reviews/intel-optane-ssd-905p-review
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QUOTE(horns @ May 4 2018, 09:22 AM)
uh? it's fine haha you're right we all have different expectations.

ssds actually helps resolve the obvious bottlenecks of hdd, especially storage iops. however they're not cure-all smile.gif
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haha okay got it.
actually quite impressed speed of open app.
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haha okay got it.
actually quite impressed speed of open app.
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Hmmmm ssd boot time 18sec? Which SSD did you get?
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yes smile.gif no more long waiting time actually hehe; and you don't need to hibernate the os anymore lol
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any idea when Samsung 970 will land at Malaysia?
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It have reached Malaysia already. rclxm9.gif
https://www.lelong.com.my/samsung-970-evo-s...7-01-Sale-I.htm
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wow nice biggrin.gif
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the price tags of samsung 970 pro/evo's were actually reduced at launch, https://www.pcworld.com/article/3269780/com...nch-prices.html

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Cheapest SSD available online:
https://detail.tmall.com/item.htm?spm=a230r...70d3&abbucket=8

RM627.30 including shipping to Malaysia

No local warranty though, have to send back to China if you want to RMA

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Cheapest SSD available online:
https://detail.tmall.com/item.htm?spm=a230r...70d3&abbucket=8

RM627.30 including shipping to Malaysia

No local warranty though, have to send back to China if you want to RMA
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why u worry? last time sell Crucial ram, no local warranty, have to send to USA if want RMA laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ May 15 2018, 12:35 PM)
why u worry? last time sell Crucial ram, no local warranty, have to send to USA if want RMA  laugh.gif
That's different
Crucial allows end user to RMA directly with them
Colorful doesn't
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nvm, already found it.

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Hello guys. Im looking for the cheapest ssd gb/price.
I never use ssd before and this is going to be my first time buying it.
Will be using it mainly for windows 10 OS and 2 games (pubg and rainbow six)

Currently interested in GALAX GAMER L 120GB which cost RM 169 @lelong.com.my.
is there any better alternative or suggestion for gb/price?

thanks

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QUOTE(Kidz1995 @ May 17 2018, 07:01 PM)
Hello guys. Im looking for the cheapest ssd gb/price.
I never use ssd before and this is going to be my first time buying it.
Will be using it mainly for windows 10 OS and 2 games (pubg and rainbow six)

Currently interested in GALAX GAMER L 120GB which cost RM 169 @lelong.com.my.
is there any better alternative or suggestion for gb/price?

thanks
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I think got Sandisk A400 120GB @ RM139/149 at Lazada
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QUOTE(Kidz1995 @ May 17 2018, 07:01 PM)
Hello guys. Im looking for the cheapest ssd gb/price.
I never use ssd before and this is going to be my first time buying it.
Will be using it mainly for windows 10 OS and 2 games (pubg and rainbow six)

Currently interested in GALAX GAMER L 120GB which cost RM 169 @lelong.com.my.
is there any better alternative or suggestion for gb/price?

thanks
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if possible, go for crucial mx500 250gb, myr 339. it's more optimal as you have space for over provisioning to sustain ssd performance.

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I think got Sandisk A400 120GB @ RM139/149 at Lazada
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do you mean Kingston A400? Cant find any info about sandisk a400

QUOTE(horns @ May 18 2018, 01:30 AM)
if possible, go for crucial mx500 250gb, myr 339. it's more optimal as you have space for over provisioning to sustain ssd performance.
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how about this one https://www.lelong.com.my/transcend-ssd-2-5...7-01-Sale-I.htm ?

is it okay if I buy this? because the read and write is same, maybe cheaper because of brand or reliability?

Crucial MX500 - https://www.lelong.com.my/crucial-ssd-sata-...7-01-Sale-I.htm


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QUOTE(Kidz1995 @ May 18 2018, 08:07 PM)
do you mean Kingston A400? Cant find any info about sandisk a400
how about this one https://www.lelong.com.my/transcend-ssd-2-5...7-01-Sale-I.htm ?

is it okay if I buy this? because the read and write is same, maybe cheaper because of brand or reliability? 

Crucial MX500 - https://www.lelong.com.my/crucial-ssd-sata-...7-01-Sale-I.htm
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Ops. ya Kingston.
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QUOTE(Kidz1995 @ May 18 2018, 08:07 PM)
do you mean Kingston A400? Cant find any info about sandisk a400

how about this one https://www.lelong.com.my/transcend-ssd-2-5...7-01-Sale-I.htm ?

is it okay if I buy this? because the read and write is same, maybe cheaper because of brand or reliability? 

Crucial MX500 - https://www.lelong.com.my/crucial-ssd-sata-...7-01-Sale-I.htm
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afaik transcend mts820s is sata m.2. i'm not sure about this one, due to the general lack of its performance data at review sites. on paper they are usually advertised as the same.

crucial mx500 250gb is myr339 at viewnet. warranty is 5 years.
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Looking to replace my ailing WD Blue 1TB HDD with a 500GB SSD. Recommendations? Will purchase after 1st June.

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Looking to replace my ailing WD Blue 1TB HDD with a 500GB SSD. Recommendations? Will purchase after 1st June.
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for mainstream ssds, i think samsung 860evo; alternatively, crucial mx500. (mainly because of longer 5-year warranty period)
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Looking to replace my ailing WD Blue 1TB HDD with a 500GB SSD. Recommendations? Will purchase after 1st June.
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Kingston UV400 480GB... low price brows.gif
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QUOTE(horns @ May 19 2018, 12:37 PM)
afaik transcend mts820s is sata m.2. i'm not sure about this one, due to the general lack of its performance data at review sites. on paper they are usually advertised as the same.

crucial mx500 250gb is myr339 at viewnet. warranty is 5 years.
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Yeah I noticed about that too and realised advertised speed not always true when benchmarked using CrystalDiskMark, etc. Example is Galax Gamer SSD, read and write performance is lower than advertised.
Looks like I will be picking up Crucial MX500 250gb instead. Thanks yeah for the recommendation. smile.gif
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How is SANDISK SSD PLUS?
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QUOTE(Kidz1995 @ May 19 2018, 08:28 PM)
Yeah I noticed about  that too and realised advertised speed not always true when benchmarked using CrystalDiskMark, etc. Example is Galax Gamer SSD, read and write performance is lower than advertised.
Looks like I will be picking up Crucial MX500 250gb instead. Thanks yeah for the recommendation.  smile.gif
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usually there is a world of difference between marketing and actual outcomes for ssds and everything else, due to various factors. just take those numbers with a grain of salt.

you're welcome. i believe it will serve you well.

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are there any cheap stores for me to buy 970 evo now? the price range i found around is RM620
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are there any cheap stores for me to buy 970 evo now? the price range i found around is RM620
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it's already in malaysia? where did you get that price?
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it's already in malaysia? where did you get that price?
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yes it's already in Malaysia rclxms.gif performance wise i think 970 evo is better compared to 960 evo by a tiny little bit only

This one has a more competitive price here -> https://www.lelong.com.my/samsung-970-evo-s...8-07-Sale-P.htm

https://www.lazada.com.my/catalog/?q=970+ev....75f824f61myVTs
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QUOTE(henrytlh @ May 22 2018, 08:13 PM)
yes it's already in Malaysia  rclxms.gif performance wise i think 970 evo is better compared to 960 evo by a tiny little bit only

This one has a more competitive price here -> https://www.lelong.com.my/samsung-970-evo-s...8-07-Sale-P.htm

https://www.lazada.com.my/catalog/?q=970+ev....75f824f61myVTs
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sweet thanks a lot for these links smile.gif

yeah the performance of 970evo is slightly better. let's see how it goes hehe
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Sandisk SSD Plus 240gb vs Kingston A400 240gb

Which one better? Are there anymore I should look for? Price range around rm250.
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I got myself the ultra 3d 500gb at rm530. Hope it does not disappoint.
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post May 26 2018, 08:56 PM

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is it the best time to purchase ssd before 1 june ?

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