There's no guarantee that Stanchart and Warrior will continue to be the sponsors if success is not delivered to them between now and then, otherwise they will most probably be roasted by their own board. They are through and through businessmen and they have no sentiments over the club that they sponsor, as what you've rightly mentioned their consicence is guided by profits while ours is by loyalty.
Coming from the 70s tribe, yes we were the in-thing and those successes of the 70s and 80s carries us through to the 90s and perhaps a little over 2000s. Lack of succeses over the 90s and beyond 2000 has caused our popularity and fan base to grow by a much slower pace and I have to eat the humble pie to say that it's the case now. Don't get me wrong, I'm not happy and I'm not proud at all with what I've just expressed and I'm not getting any less loyal by saying so and it pains me to say that, but we have to acknowledge the reality of the situation of the club now.
Let's look at the LFC now, not the one that we know of in the 70s/80s/90s, it's like any other business entity that survives on the success of customers retention and new customers coming through the pipeline. Situation now stands that due to our recent lack of successes (90s and 2000s) the club very much retains the customer base, like you and me plus many others from the same era because we were very much associated with those successful years. I won't also fail to also mention and to give much credit to many of the supporters here trickling in after year 2000, moreso after 2010, which is often associated with those lean years.
Time has moved, the way football club is run has also changed by much and it evolves around winning on the pitch and gets translated into financial rewards while also broadening of the customers/fan base. Yes, I'm very happy to know from your tone that you're through and through a diehard Liverpool fan and I'm no different but we need to be down to earth to acknowledge where we are now compared to say 20 or 25 years ago. To hell with what the mancs have to say about us, it doesn't bother me a bit.
I think we’re debating on a different basis, your is more tawords fans loyalty while mine is towards the long term suvival and growth of the club from the financial and the widening of the fan base.
Thanks for sharing your thought.
Added on August 20, 2012, 12:33 pmQUOTE(hfi @ Aug 20 2012, 11:59 AM)
I've not seen Downing done anything good on the left to be honest. On the other hand, he's been quite effective on the right for BR. For example, the 2 games against Gomel, and the Leverkusen game. In the opening minutes against WBA, he put in a lovely cross for Borini which the forward failed to make any contact whatsoever. I think we should all now realize what kind of winger Downing is. He's not a Messi, and we should not expect anything else other than a Downing. A winger who requires close support from the fullback.
In all honesty, a lot of our players were quite poor that day. It wasn't just Downing. Gerrard was consistently very poor, was the catalyst for the 2nd goal. Lucas was looking very rusty - slow, struggled to win most duels. Suarez was firing blanks and Borini too struggled to get into the game. The less i speak of the 2 CBs the better. The only positive things were Allen, Reina and perhaps Johnson.
Why would you put Shelvey on the right ? Has he even played there before ? I mean that's a perfect example of the saying 'trying to put a square peg into a round hole'. The lad is CM and that's where he should play imo. I sooner see Borini or Suarez or even Gerrard play on the right before the likes of Shelvey play there.
To be honest. I've seen Downing being more effective on the left, being his natural position, of course it could be better where his crosses ended up everywhere except the target man. Does it mean that you believe Downing will be more of a natural right winger than a left winger in the long run? Let's see whether BR does continue to put Downing on the right and see what happens next, and I hope Downing can prove me wrong and we come back and debate another day. I couldn't think of any useful crosses Downing made in the game against WBA, that I could have missed? With due respect to Gomel and Leverkusen, they're different opposition and a friendly game respectively, in the EPL let's not expect the WBA defenders to give Downing an inch to do that, they do study video recorded games of ours and they're no mugs.
Ok, if you want my opinion it's simple and I'll be blunt ..... Shelvey has got more guts or balls to take on defenders on the wings and he may run through brick walls if asked upon, that's what I believe. The same argument can be used here, why did Johnson on the left? At least now we know Johnson can be effective on the left as oppose to Downing on the right. Downing has shown time and again he doesn't take on defenders enough, whether on the left or right but consistently and conveniently making those those side and back passes. It embarasses me to say that Johnson looks more like a natural left winger to me than Downing. Of course you have now asked how will Shelvey adapt, but if we don't try Shelvey out how would we know, not that we have other options and it's evident that Downing has failed on the right more than on the left.
I do agreed the whole team played badly, not only Downing.
This post has been edited by redkop63: Aug 20 2012, 12:53 PM 
Aug 18 2012, 08:32 PM, updated 14y ago
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I want Sterling 
Take two of the three, plus Sterling would have given more options on the bench imo. Anyway, really excited bout this game. Let's hope we win big. 
win or lose.
cant imagine when they play man city. hope BR have some trick up his sleeve otherwise we will be looking at a new manager at Liverpool very very soon 
with the like of Sifha and radio_head joining in I can safely declare that the new campaign has offcially started 
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