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English Clubs Liverpool FC- The Kop Talk 2012, Liverpool 0-2 Arsenal - 2nd defeat!

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koolspyda
post Aug 18 2012, 09:01 PM

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The Europa League defeat of the Belarus side hinted heavily at what we are likely to see from Liverpool this season and at how absorbing Liverpool might become to watch. The high defensive line and the tactics of pressing and possession - whilst all still works in progress - were all very much in evidence.

In terms of formation, Rodgers introduced an interesting lopsided 4-2-3-1 set-up - in which Lucas Leiva and Shelvey prompted and covered from the base of midfield, Stewart Downing hugged the right touchline, Luis Suarez and Fabio Borini rotated between the centre-forward and a narrow left-sided position and Steven Gerrard roamed free in an advanced role. Gerrard's remit should enthuse Liverpool fans, with Rodgers returning the skipper to the kind of attacking areas that saw him thrive under Rafael Benitez. In fact, watching the game, you got the impression that the team is set up with the aim of getting the most out of Liverpool's two best attacking threats in Suarez and the England captain



The return of the pressing game. Well, it may not satisfy some fellas who said Liverpool plays are boring under this style.

The fact is pretty much depending on the services (keeping fit for game) of our dear Gerrard.

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I think we will not have much off a problem with such style, we just need to keep pace early with the leaders.
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post Aug 19 2012, 11:36 AM

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brutal


some of you guys are too brutal.


last season, we got on well in the beginning, heap praises. when things started to go listless, KD got whacked left, right then the boot.

BR wasn't my first choice manager, but i understand where the owners wants to built on... from the bottom.

As a fan, we have to place our trust for their decisions. They have backed BR as much as they can. (decision to get his players & sell high wages ones)

i had hope we didn't discard several key players (cited as older/past prime & heavy on wages) as to help the new recruits to blend in. It was a tough score (0-3, WBA? didn't we always whip them with eyes closed for the last 2-6 seasons ago?) to swallow, but that's the reality.

We will and possibly struggle for another 6-8 matches before some 'real' understanding amongst the lads.

can the fans wait? (what if we are stuck at relegation zone (say after 6-8 matches, call for BR's head??) blink.gif



YNWA = we stick together


at least the decision to review comes at the end of the season.

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post Aug 19 2012, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(hfi @ Aug 19 2012, 02:15 PM)
The thing with Rafa was that he was quick to build the spine of his team. By the 2nd season, he had already got Reina - Carra- Xabi - Gerrard. He was only missing a striker. But for me, the most crucial thing was the resilience of his team's mentality. Being a dominant force in Europe meant the boys were able to remain competitive despite our league form. It gave them an identity and sense of pride, which elevated their overall confidence and desire to fight back.

This is the biggest challenge for Brendan imo. He has to make players believe in themselves. We are prone to give up when we find ourselves a goal down. Notice how Allen was still running around and playing with purppse when others were already looking deflated. Allen is not yet affected by this affliction. Somehow Brendan has to find ways for the players to find self belief. If it means drawing games in the league and winning games in other cups, then so be it.
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there is money to buy all they players in the world.

sometimes you don't get players with good mental strength.

"We can score" juan mata told droba (whom almost gaved in) just before that corner that led to the goal that saved chelsea.

someone once famously said, the difference between a great player to a good player is sometimes only in the head. WE discarded many great players, the club is unable to compete wage to wage with the other big clubs.

we have to take the bitter pill to accept that fact. sad.gif
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post Aug 21 2012, 10:40 AM

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the cog will slowly get into place once gerrard find this footing (in his role, hopefully sooner) tongue.gif



i think borini, allen will come good. we are still finding a footing. though i wonder where did our confidence go after that bayer laverkusen game

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post Aug 21 2012, 12:47 PM

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QUOTE(carloz28 @ Aug 21 2012, 12:45 PM)
Reminds me of old boss Rafa Benitez. He place great emphasis on defence before offense and particularly has an eye for CBs. Words of wisdom from Rafa, always build your team from the defense up.

Which probably explains why he hardly got it wrong when it comes to buying defenders, but not the same can be said with his gamble in the striker department during his tenure with Liverpool.

Rafa oh rafa.
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brendan rodgers subscribed to spanish style game. so some say we got ala-rafa but affordable one. tongue.gif cool2.gif

As it is the reality of our club, we just don't have the financial muscle to pull in players, BR, well lfc is being built from ground zero. 3/4 of our squad are relatively young, except for gerrard who alone probably brought up the average age of the squad.

we have neighbours who buy on (big) credit to purchase/bank fergie's last attempt to really pull away the amount of league titles from us before he throws in the hat. we may envy the likes of RVP, even possibly big name kaka to don their red shirt whereas we only have borini, oussama, allen (many will scream who they?)

i think in time we'll see the fruits, i do reckon we might (just) be murdered in the next 5-6 games (tough games ahead). hopefully the fans will have patience.

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post Aug 21 2012, 11:32 PM

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Aug 22 2012, 12:18 AM)
When pressed about an apparent approach to Rafael Benitez, Werner added: ''We talked informally to a number of people. We talked to a lot of people, some of whom have not been mentioned.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...l#ixzz24C6Pf6TE
holy shit!
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i believe we only made a genuine offer to BR. Werner is right, we probably did have a list of names but it was clear it was left to the final two to choose. rafa was never ever gonna get a nose in. i think the owners have their reasons though it's not anywhere near the reasons given by our fellow rival fans (red devils).

of course, martinez may have his version (given that he has to have the backing of his current club)

he probably got the the version mixed up, henry probably said "if...you are offered the seat, what's your.... tongue.gif

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post Aug 22 2012, 08:01 AM

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Aug 22 2012, 03:24 AM)
Now you are wrong. Cole isn't sit there and doing there. Actually he had been carried out a secret duty assigned to him. He was sent to check whether our medical department did their job and the level of efficiency of the doctors. Not much people know this but he is an undercover....  tongue.gif
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you know chelsea felt so bad that we took the burden off them by signing cole, in a way they compensated by offering to buy torres for 50m tongue.gif







seriously, cole can be turned into another chuck norris jokes....my bad wink.gif

















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post Aug 22 2012, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(madmoz @ Aug 22 2012, 10:42 AM)
The missus, despite having very little interest in football probably sensed my disappointment (with both the results and probably the sacking of KD from many moons ago) actually asked this;

"How many 3-0 defeats will the club take before BR is booted out?"

Normally I would have laughed this off, but Manchester City, Arsenal, Sunderland, Man Utd and Norwich are our next five games. Sunderland and Norwich, which on paper would be the most winnable are away games. hmm.gif

If things go sour, would the owners stomach 6 defeats in a row?
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sunderland isn't winnable. we lost to the beach ball before. if memory serve me correct only norwich is possible.

the rest, will be really really tough. it aint the owners that i'm worried, if the worst case scenario, many of the fans, i'm concern. (i hope it won't come to that) blink.gif
the pressure, the ridicules..

the team needs self belief. if things doesn't come as well, how do they turn up, find the reserves esp the new recruits.


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post Aug 26 2012, 11:47 AM

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Form is temporary, class is permanent.

f*** U, G &H sad.gif



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i'm a little nervous ahead of tonights game. (i know i shouldn't be). So far the other results in the league have been showing what's is true to form book.


It's been said, it's a long season... but i hope we don't need to struggle as much as i would like too. blink.gif


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post Aug 26 2012, 09:00 PM

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I hate to say this (an observation), it seems after Rafa got the boot, we seem to develop a foreign (player) phobia. blink.gif rclxub.gif

The worse thing is the lavishness of the buys last season has impacted our recruitment this season, whether we like it or not.

Some say it takes time time blend in, after 1 season, the trio hasn't quite done so, worse thing, they are linked to be shipped off. Are we (club) that well-to-do? doh.gif

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post Aug 26 2012, 09:49 PM

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QUOTE(jimbet1337 @ Aug 26 2012, 10:05 PM)
Not foreign players phobia. It's clear as day Dalglish wanted to bring back LFC to its glory days by recruiting British players which was disastrous.

A topic that has been brought up over and over again which almost split kopites in this thread into two.  sad.gif

Blend in? Based on Chelsea/Utd past 2 games, Hazard/Kagawa didn't even need time to settle even though they were from different league.
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Something must be very very wrong about (younger) british players. sad.gif

Blend in... doh.gif
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post Aug 27 2012, 12:46 AM

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as it is, we have played quite ok. many of us had hope we didn't get a hiding (shame on us)

come on lads
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post Aug 29 2012, 05:06 PM

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for one, i know walcott is a massive liverpool fan when he was growing up.

not sure about the money part, but we been pouring wasted millions for player(s) who is about or lined up to be shipped out only 1 playing season. (one of which who declared he didn't wanted to leave his old club then, the other, whom never seemed to settle despite 95% were against purchasing him)

there is a (window) of sense of optimism at liverpool, i future they might as well cash in to be a part of better things ahead.
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post Aug 29 2012, 07:42 PM

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QUOTE(hfi @ Aug 29 2012, 06:24 PM)
The stupid thing was to sell Torres mid season. We didn't care about the price for Carroll because Chelsea were effectively buying the player for us. We would not have paid that kind of money in a normal transfer window i reckon.
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Carrol's figure won't be so hard pressed if AC isn't now linked to be offloaded.

I know the big of of guys defending his fee mainly depends on torres final fee, but the fact that lfc somehow know acknowledge to offload only pains some of the LFc fans even more (those who were in the group that has been saying all these while it was a panic buy, he isn't worth more then 15m)

I pity Andy Carrol.

I do wish we settle quickly. There shdn't be excuses it needs to to adapt. some quality players seemed to have adapted quite quickly.

It damaging.
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post Aug 29 2012, 08:13 PM

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QUOTE(normeck @ Aug 29 2012, 08:51 PM)
err..walcott is on the way to melwood? mega_shok.gif
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If this is true, I'm sure this die hard kopnite wants to live his dream to play for his childhood club

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post Aug 30 2012, 11:56 AM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Aug 30 2012, 12:28 PM)
Carroll at centreback? He's good at defending corners but has anyone actually seen him make a tackle?
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tongue.gif I have a vivid memory of him tripping himself blink.gif

But if he show commitment to his career, I don't see how he could be overlooked.

BR may have a system in mind, I think it's up to the individual to better himself. Carroll hasn't done much to his time at Liverpoolfc, I would like to see him proving wrong to doubters
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QUOTE(digilife @ Aug 30 2012, 01:23 PM)
We need Carroll for the Arsenal match and maybe nego is still on with Newcastle to swap with Cisse thumbup.gif
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comolli was on the high (probably stupidly mad) the last time, Newcastle board was elated, grinning from ear to ear on the coup.

We were the fool the last time, not them, Don't think it will change except this time that we won't be taken a fool again.
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QUOTE(Petre @ Aug 30 2012, 03:59 PM)
hmmm... i thought comolli suggested A LOT of foreign players but its someone who wanted to buy ONLY english. correct me if i'm wrong although this is old story, dun think need to restart the debate
in my case, it was a subtle dig on the person who posted tongue.gif
(maybe in that case i was guilty of not putting an emoticons at the end of it)

and yeah i know the score who did, who did not (thanks to the mega huge debate on lyn's lfc thread) smile.gif

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If he plays, whichever role, if he gets into position, he shd use his strength advantage and score!!!

Or try very hard cool2.gif
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last years british brigade is more or less dismantled.

feels like being poured cold water for all they hype then. l suppose it's be a lesson. sad.gif a mega painful lesson.

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