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post Aug 21 2012, 01:35 PM

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We were so embarrassing against West Brom that I was literally lost for words for few days. This is worse than losing to Chelsea 0-4 at Anfield in 2006. The scoreline could have been harsher if not the poor finishing by West Brom.

Gerrard was completely lost, Borini was awful in his ball distribution, Downing as usual keeps losing possession while trying his usual antics, Joe Cole again managed to get himself injured and the look at Pepe's face sums it up that he has done everything for the team but the team has done nothing for him.

West Brom was bossing the midfield which was supposed to be our strongest area. Poor Suarez and Reina. They dont deserve to be on the losing team.

Hope that Assadi can make a big difference in bringing thunderous pace to our wing which was awfully slow in counter attacking situation. Above all, hope that BR gets the formation working as soon as possible. I am going to die of disappointment if this continues.
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post Aug 21 2012, 01:56 PM

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Oh God! You are still with this topic? LOL. Get it over your head, ok?
If BR needs crazy amount of money, he sells. Period. Plus Agger is not going anywhere now. So relax. The whole team barring Joe Allen, Pepe Reina and Luis Suarez was disastrous, especially our captain Gerrard. So why blame Carra alone? The team was in despair.

QUOTE(Petre @ Aug 21 2012, 01:50 PM)
whats your opinion on selling agger now? and didnt i tell you skrtel+carra = disaster? if you dont want this to continue, we have to continue with the continuity, that is the keep our best cb pairing, while nurture the likes of coates, like you said.
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post Aug 21 2012, 02:29 PM

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Ideally, I hope John Henry would open his eyes after Saturday's game and gives more financial support to BR. Let's wait and see before the transfer window closes. But he's a meanie. I dont think he will spend money like nobody business. I hope I am wrong.

Kelly was awfully lack of pace and concentration on Saturday. West Brom was attacking his side more than Johnson's side. He was also missing when West Brom score the 3rd goal courtesy of a cross on the left which annoyed me to the max. So hopefully, Enrique can come back in and Johnson moves back to the right. That will hopefully provide more pace to the defence and protect our old man, Carra (since Agger is suspended), when we play City although I dont know how they are going to defend against the quartet of Aguero, Tevez, Nasri and Silva.

If Jay Spearing combines with Lucas (without Gerrard) can give us a miracle 3 - 1 win against Man Utd last time in Anfield in a game where Luis was superb and Dirk scored hattrick, let's pray that miracle happen again in the next game against City.

But for now, let's hope they get a good result against Hearts first to inspire more good results coming.

QUOTE(Petre @ Aug 21 2012, 02:08 PM)
yeah, i do agree if crazy money comes, why not. like... 50m. much like barca wont ever sell messi unless for i think... 200m.
so unfortunate that we need such disastrous result to get my point through. there are things you cant buy with money, and you never get my point that CBs are pairings...

so let this issue to rest... kelly should start alongside skrtel in the next match, flanagan into LB slot, put johnson back to his rb slot... what you think?
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post Aug 21 2012, 02:44 PM

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The word is out. They are not appealing. http://www.thisisanfield.com/2012/08/reds-...agger-red-card/?

QUOTE(saikuan @ Aug 21 2012, 02:39 PM)
I hope we can appeal for the red card..If not, perhaps Coates or Kelly should slot in with Skrtel in CB. Carragher isn't going to be able to cope with those ManC forwards..I duno why Coates isn't given much chance. seems like he is forgotten.
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post Aug 21 2012, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(boomer @ Aug 21 2012, 03:04 PM)
put suarez as left side attacker borini/carrol as center attacker and downing can go to hell...put adam johnson on the right side coz he's leaving citeh...im seriously disappointed with downing...0 creativity 0 flair 0 vision
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Going by your formation, it will look like this:

Suarez Caroll Borini


<------- Allen Gerrard------>
Lucas
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Enrique Skrtel Kelly Johnson

Reina



Potential danger:
Yaya Toure bossing the midfield, cutting in and finishing us off or provide telling passes to Aguero/Tevez as Allen, Gerrard and Lucas will be taken away by Nasri and Silva who are both tricky and pacy with the support from Clichy and Zabaleta

It looks like suicidal to play 4-3-3 against Man City. We need extra cover for defensive midfield.
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post Aug 21 2012, 03:45 PM

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Agree. This would make more sense. Stable on the midfield cover as well as pacy on the counter attack although I would prefer Borini, Gerrard, Assadi as AM supporting Suarez upfront. That would be all round pace in attack.

QUOTE(hfi @ Aug 21 2012, 03:29 PM)
Just go with 4-2-3-1. Lucas and Allen anchoring the middle. The 3 AM (Borini, Gerrard, Suarez) to support Carroll. Alternatively, swap Suarez with Carroll and have Oussama be one of three AM.
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QUOTE(jimbet1337 @ Aug 21 2012, 03:38 PM)
Sorry but what kind of midfielder Joe Allen is? Is he a natural DM or AM?

It seems that we're lack of creative mid that can made through passes. The closest I recall was Aquaman but not worth reminiscing.

We should have one for Rodger's tiki-taka though. Regardless of age as long he can delivers. Youngsters can learn and play with him and be next one.

I don't understand why Joe Cole is still in the team.
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I think Allen is currently occupying Alonso's former position, linking defence to attack and disrupting opposing team's passes to aid Lucas in stealing the ball back when we lose possession. The lad seems to have quick feet and good reflexes.

As for Joe Cole, he's going down to history as our expensive waste among others such as Aquaman, Fernando Morientes and potentially Mr. Andy "Oh Carol". Even my mum can last longer on the pitch than Joe. That man is pulling the team down.
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post Aug 21 2012, 04:40 PM

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QUOTE(carloz28 @ Aug 21 2012, 04:15 PM)
Tiki taka tiki taka tiki taka. This word has appear countless times in this thread since BR took over.

The team has yet to evolve into a single cohesive unit that can perform consistently again mid table teams, so it's a bit too far fetched to expect BR's team to play like one.

Totally understand the heartbreak and disappointment some of you guys are having now, but my advise is to sit back and relax, enjoy the ride, lower your expectations this season and trust me, you will find there's more sunshine during the day, the sky's bluer and your life will be a lot happier. laugh.gif
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Until the team finally understand how to play tiki taka football, we are going to have to tolerate with Kiki Lala instead. LOL biggrin.gif
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post Aug 22 2012, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(Petre @ Aug 22 2012, 10:22 AM)
weird things happens in football. what if we beat mancity? smile.gif
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If we beat Man City, I am going to walk around naked in my room the whole day. Fully naked. LOL
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post Aug 22 2012, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(Petre @ Aug 22 2012, 11:19 AM)
you mean your room in your home or office? biggrin.gif
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Depends. If we win 1-0, 2-1, 3-2 = home.
If we win 4-0, 5-1, 6-2 = office. no problem. LOL.

Does anyone else want to top this by going bald or something? One for the team people! LOL
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post Aug 22 2012, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(chenwfng @ Aug 22 2012, 11:24 AM)
I thought Joe Allen was pretty good for his debut and Lucas doesn't look like he's 100% yet. We can only hope to see the team improve from each game. I watched the Man City vs Soton game, Soton play beautifully and Man City were shaky in defense. Our boys should play with more confidence like newly promoted team Soton. Prove they are still a top 4 team.
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They are just like us. They underestimate the smaller teams and almost have to pay a price for it. When they face us, they will be all up for it and produce their finest because it's Liverpool and Anfield - it's a big game. Sucks but it's the reality.

Speaking of which, our boys should also be all up for it as this is a big game for them as well.
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post Aug 22 2012, 11:48 AM

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Ok. Something to cheer everyone up!!!
This Liverpool fan from.. well... Liverpool, told everyone in his website that Brendan Rodgers began his premier league debut last season with Swansea with a 0-4 thrashing. Look at what he achieved at the end of the season.

So we got thrashed by West Brom, hopefully history will repeat for BR and he will be all smiling comes the end of the season.
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post Aug 22 2012, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ Aug 22 2012, 11:51 AM)
What did he achieve? 11th place! We gonna end up 11th?!  biggrin.gif
Hehe I hope not...
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If we end up at 11th, he will be all laughing because of the big paycheck he will get for the sacking. HAHA.
Kidding.

Personally, I am not that greedy. I only hope we get 3rd spot, win the FA Cup, win the League Cup again and also the Europa League. And along the way, we beat Man Utd in Anfield, Old Trafford, Wembley, where ever. We meet them, we thrash them. HAHAHA.

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QUOTE(8sg9ft @ Aug 22 2012, 01:25 PM)
What happened to Walcott rumors? He still hasn't signed a new contract at Arsenal right? Between him, Sinclair and Johnson, who would you guys prefer to sign right now?

Btw, can't imagine what Dempsey's feeling right now. Become a rebel at Fulham by refusing to play, LFC haven't make a bid and then watch his team win 5-0 on opening day while LFC were suffering at WBA.
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Walcott and Johnson = Injury prone but lightning fast with quick feet. Often enough, their pace alone change the game and influence the result.
Sinclair = a more steady pair of legs. Not sure if he can be of such big influence as Walcott and Johnson but certainly not as injury prone as them.

Indecisive. Cant we have them all? Damn, John Henry. We need players.
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post Aug 22 2012, 01:51 PM

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And now Gaston Ramirez news is back. Sickening. All rumors. No solid transfer movement. Just purely rumors.
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post Aug 22 2012, 03:13 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Aug 22 2012, 03:08 PM)
If it were up to me (and it obviously isn't), I'd like to see Suarez and Borini flanking Carroll against City. If we are persisting with Suarez - Borini - Downing, I'd like to see Borini switch places with Suarez. The latter is better at creating opportunities and given his struggles in front of goal, maybe we'd be better off having Borini lead the line.
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4-3-3 against City is suicidal. I cant see how your formation can work. We leave a big gap for Yaya Toure and Samir Nasri to walk right over us.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Aug 22 2012, 03:35 PM)
4-3-3 going forward with Gerrard supporting the front 3, with Lucas and Allen protecting the back four. Also, it means we defend high up the pitch using our fowards. Formations should not be taken at face value anyhow. A 4-3-3 attacking formation can easily morph into a 4-5-1 when being pegged back.  I just think that sitting back and inviting City forward is fatal.
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Mate. We have a big problem here with our defense, remember? Agger is suspended and chances are, the slow legs of Carra will fill in. With Lucas, Allen, Skrtel and Carra, they will walk right over us with Tevez, Balotelli (if Aguero is unavailable), Nasri and the big Toure.

The back four needs more protection as we are lacking pace all over. Toure especially have been inspirational in organising all the attack. Someone need to stop the big man.

As much as I hate it, our best chance will come from counter attacking and free kicks, not from dominating the field upfront and leave a big gap behind with players that are suspected with lack of pace.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 22 2012, 04:24 PM)
I am puzzled and do not understand why people and commentator keep on talking about Swansea.  rclxub.gif

Swansea ended the season last year at 11th place with 47 points,  while Liv finished at 7th.
So if history repeat, mean Liv finishing at 11th, all smiling comes the end of season?  rclxub.gif
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Come on! Your level of understanding has to be better. I refuse to accept that you are not able to process this better than what you have just commented. Liverpool fans are smart people.

He achieved 11th spot with a miserable budget and a team of unknown in Swansea. Give him time and reasonable budget, he should perform.
I guess that's what they are trying to justify.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 22 2012, 04:36 PM)
Reading did it before, Fulham under Roy also did it before, even progress into final in Europa cup.
So?
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Both teams were not praised for their style of football but for their resilience in survival.
Swansea was praised for the kind of football they played which quite frankly speaking is how a football game should be. Controlling possession, passing and creativity. If football is about winning the way Stoke did against opposition team, I would switch to watching Tennis.

Barca and Real, Man U and Arsenal, Bayern - years of success build on the foundation of passing football.
Fulham - success in Europa league base on the foundation of defense and riding their luck. How many seasons did they achieved this feat? Once.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 22 2012, 04:36 PM)
Reading did it before, Fulham under Roy also did it before, even progress into final in Europa cup.
So?


Added on August 22, 2012, 4:39 pm

Yes, I don't mean BR is a good or poor manager, but I cannot understand why constantly comparing to Swansea.

The first match is a disastrous, performance wise did not convincing either.

The math is not like that. A manager can perform well with shoe-string budget in a smaller team, but come to bigger team and with bigger budget, it doesn't mean a automatically must of better performance.
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That comparison with Swansea last season's disastrous 0-4 opener was just to cheer everyone up. It doesnt mean anything.
BR has a philosophy in football that I like. So I hope he is successful and I continue to enjoy Liverpool playing possession football. Not the type of football that constantly rock me to sleep during Gerard Houllier's time in 2003.

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