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post Apr 9 2012, 03:30 PM, updated 13y ago

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post Apr 9 2012, 03:37 PM

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post Apr 10 2012, 11:29 AM

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Any1 knows any substitute for squats and lunges? (knee cap hurts atm)
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post Apr 10 2012, 11:37 AM

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QUOTE(Killerjeff88 @ Apr 10 2012, 11:29 AM)
Second?
Any1 knows any substitute for squats and lunges? (knee cap hurts atm)
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What I can think of would be deadlift, machine leg presses and machine hamstring curls
But all of them utilizes the knees also...
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QUOTE(strinq @ Apr 10 2012, 11:54 AM)
What I can think of would be deadlift, machine leg presses and machine hamstring curls
But all of them utilizes the knees also...
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yea sucks. i've skipped leg workout 2 weeks now =/
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QUOTE(Killerjeff88 @ Apr 10 2012, 12:29 PM)
(knee cap hurts atm)
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hurt as in?

I dont think so as the contraction of hamstring & quadricep involve the bending motion on the knees

the least you can do is seek Dr, get healed, warm up on tendon etc before heavy workout... laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Killerjeff88 @ Apr 10 2012, 11:29 AM)
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Any1 knows any substitute for squats and lunges? (knee cap hurts atm)
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Squats could be replaced with leg presses.

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post Apr 10 2012, 03:59 PM

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Is my workout routine fine?

Day 1.
Chest / Bicep
Day 2.
Back / Tricep
Day 3.
Legs / Shoulder
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QUOTE(FiragaZ @ Apr 10 2012, 03:59 PM)
Is my workout routine fine?

Day 1.
Chest / Bicep
Day 2.
Back / Tricep
Day 3.
Legs / Shoulder
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Dude, if you can do anything else after Legs, then you didn't do legs properly. Leave Legs on a day by itself. Put Shoulders after Legs.
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QUOTE(FiragaZ @ Apr 10 2012, 03:59 PM)
Is my workout routine fine?

Day 1.
Chest / Bicep
Day 2.
Back / Tricep
Day 3.
Legs / Shoulder
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I would put legs in between. Chances are your arms haven't recovered from chest/bi day in time for back/tri day.


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QUOTE(mcbarney666 @ Apr 10 2012, 04:07 PM)
Dude, if you can do anything else after Legs, then you didn't do legs properly. Leave Legs on a day by itself. Put Shoulders after Legs.
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This too. laugh.gif

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post Apr 10 2012, 05:07 PM

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QUOTE(FiragaZ @ Apr 10 2012, 03:59 PM)
Is my workout routine fine?

Day 1.
Chest / Bicep
Day 2.
Back / Tricep
Day 3.
Legs / Shoulder
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Why not chest with tricep? Your tricep involve more in your chest workout. Bicep with back.

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I've recently stumbled upon an interesting article on what they call as "Afterburn training/effect". I'm currently doing conventional weights training, 4 workouts(3 setsx10reps) followed by HIIT(15mins). How great is the afterburn effect from my workout? Any sifu can enlighten me and provide better insight on Afterburn training/effect?
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QUOTE(synchun @ Apr 10 2012, 06:10 PM)
I've recently stumbled upon an interesting article on what they call as "Afterburn training/effect". I'm currently doing conventional weights training, 4 workouts(3 setsx10reps) followed by HIIT(15mins). How great is the afterburn effect from my workout? Any sifu can enlighten me and provide better insight on Afterburn training/effect?
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post Apr 10 2012, 05:35 PM

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it works but u nid to know wad u're doing smile.gif
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question: does my diet affect the recovery from DOMS or is it each person is individually different in terms of the rate of recovery?
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post Apr 10 2012, 05:48 PM

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QUOTE(haziqthebest @ Apr 10 2012, 05:41 PM)
question: does my diet affect the recovery from DOMS or is it each person is individually different in terms of the rate of recovery?
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Everyone has a different rate of recovery, but proper nutrition is essential to every aspect of training.

Nutrition>all
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post Apr 10 2012, 06:09 PM

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Question : Wide stance squats vs Regular stance squat. Pick one
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QUOTE(razorboy @ Apr 10 2012, 06:09 PM)
Question : Wide stance squats vs Regular stance squat. Pick one
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I pick regular, only because I've never done them wide.
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I used to squat narrow(regular) so to speak, but I can never get my knees to stay behind my feet nor my lower lumbar from rounding if I go parallel or ATG. Shit be snapping up all in my knees and back. Started transitioning to wide stance box squats. Still feel it in my quads, however my hams and glutes are way more sore than my quads. I figured that I rather train my quads extra than to risk snapping my knees and back even more.

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QUOTE(razorboy @ Apr 10 2012, 06:19 PM)
I used to squat narrow(regular) so to speak, but I can never get my knees to stay behind my feet nor my lower lumbar from rounding if I go parallel or ATG. Shit be snapping up all in my knees and back. Started transitioning to wide stance box squats. Still feel it in my quads, however my hams and glutes are way more sore than my quads. I figured that I rather train my quads extra than to risk snapping my knees and back even more.
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Try out front squats? My back got pretty aggravated when I used to do back squats. Switched to front squats and got a much better leg workout, quads, hams, glutes, everything. ATG baby!
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QUOTE(gnsumas @ Apr 10 2012, 06:23 PM)
Dat dere squat butt>tree trunks  tongue.gif
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Nah, I still hammer the living daylight out of my quads. Even more now that I went over to a wide stance
QUOTE(-Dan @ Apr 10 2012, 06:29 PM)
Try out front squats? My back got pretty aggravated when I used to do back squats. Switched to front squats and got a much better leg workout, quads, hams, glutes, everything. ATG baby!
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I alternate between front squats and leg press. I like hack squats but the hack squat machine in my gym is a wee bit retarded.
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post Apr 10 2012, 07:46 PM

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wide stance = more power lifting style . more glutes and hams involve . : /
i do regular and front squat
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Question:
Since I do not have a squat rack at home, are hack squats an effective substitute for normal squats?
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QUOTE(Galant @ Apr 10 2012, 08:29 PM)
Question:
Since I do not have a squat rack at home, are hack squats an effective substitute for normal squats?
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Most definitely, may not be using every single muscle fibre that you might be using for a regular barbell squat but still good to go
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Thx for the info. I'll be alternating my DB squats with BB hack squats then.
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QUOTE(Galant @ Apr 10 2012, 08:41 PM)
Thx for the info. I'll be alternating my DB squats with BB hack squats then.
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IMHO, u'd be better off making hacks your primary lift and using DB Lunges instead. DB Squats just seems so dangerous especially when the weights get heavier
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Dangerous? How so? I'm no where near those kind of weights yet, but it'll be great if you can enlighten me. So far the only problem I have with DB squats is the large plates getting in the way, and the painful wrists.
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With DB squats, the limiting factor will be how much you can hold. And seeing as your wrists are getting sore, it seems you're getting close to that limit. With hacks, You don't have to hold anything and can concentrate on using your legs. I agree with the hack squats and DB lunges combo.

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QUOTE(gnsumas @ Apr 10 2012, 05:48 PM)
Everyone has a different rate of recovery, but proper nutrition is essential to every aspect of training.

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right. thanks for clearing that up. too much thinking i guess. lol.
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dat feel when u have the whole gym staring at u when ur doing heavy db presses..havent had so much attention at the gym ever.. cool2.gif

L O V E taylor's gym..epic trance music blasting..weights all available for me..fuarrkkkk

need shankar and deadmau5 to train with me for full on aesthetics krew
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QUOTE(Aztec @ Apr 10 2012, 10:15 PM)
dat feel when u have the whole gym staring at u when ur doing heavy db presses..havent had so much attention at the gym ever.. cool2.gif

L O V E taylor's gym..epic trance music blasting..weights all available for me..fuarrkkkk

need shankar and deadmau5 to train with me for full on aesthetics krew
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How heavy do the DBs go there?
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QUOTE(-Dan @ Apr 10 2012, 10:17 PM)
How heavy do the DBs go there?
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40kg..i was using the 36..if ur lifting the heavier dumbells, peak hour or not doesnt matter..nobody uses them..lol
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I searched for the meaning also I dun really get it leh sweat.gif , mind explaining here?
Regarding the height, I'm 15 and 156cm. My parents are short so there's a high chance I won't grow too tall, that's why I dun wanna risk affecting it even more.
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QUOTE(Aztec @ Apr 10 2012, 11:10 PM)
40kg..i was using the 36..if ur lifting the heavier dumbells, peak hour or not doesnt matter..nobody uses them..lol
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Sweet, nice range of weights!

QUOTE(danielcmugen @ Apr 10 2012, 11:11 PM)
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I searched for the meaning also I dun really get it leh sweat.gif , mind explaining here?
Regarding the height, I'm 15 and 156cm. My parents are short so there's a high chance I won't grow too tall, that's why I dun wanna risk affecting it even more.
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Okay, forget all that. Lifting weights is not going to stunt your growth. Stunted growth is due to damage to growth plates. There's no impact involved in lifting weights. If you lift properly with good form, it may even help you grow that little bit more because it can stimulate the release of growth hormones. You're 15, your hormone levels are gonna get even higher in the coming years, so might as well make use of that and get stronger and fitter.

http://stronglifts.com/does-weight-lifting-stunt-growth/

http://skinnybulkup.com/does-weight-lifting-stunt-growth/

If you're worried about your height, there are other things you should be thinking about, instead of the type of exercise you do. Are you eating right? Are you sleeping enough? These things are more likely to have an effect on your overall growth that whether you play football or lift weights.
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well..to be honest i lifted dumbells overhead to stunt my growth last time..did it for maybe 3months when i was in form 2 or 3..

broscience or not it somewhat worked as i did not grow that much after that..maybe it was just coincidence..

im 190cm now..so if u wanna grow tall just sleep alot man..take that afternoon nap after school..i slept from like 3-7pm everyday


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QUOTE(Aztec @ Apr 10 2012, 11:41 PM)
well..to be honest i lifted dumbells overhead to stunt my growth last time..did it for maybe 3months when i was in form 2 or 3..

broscience or not it somewhat worked as i did not grow that much after that..maybe it was just coincidence..

im 190cm now..so if u wanna grow tall just sleep alot man..take that afternoon nap after school..i slept from like 3-7pm everyday
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How tall were you in form 3 ?

GUIZE, how much protein is there in 100g of chicken ? O_O

I'm getting all sorts of answers from 20g to 40g yawn.gif

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QUOTE(Aztec @ Apr 10 2012, 10:15 PM)
dat feel when u have the whole gym staring at u when ur doing heavy db presses..havent had so much attention at the gym ever.. cool2.gif

L O V E taylor's gym..epic trance music blasting..weights all available for me..fuarrkkkk

need shankar and deadmau5 to train with me for full on aesthetics krew
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cry.gif Damn, if only I haven't finished my course. And I'm still a beginner lol
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QUOTE(Dagger69 @ Apr 10 2012, 05:07 PM)
Why not chest with tricep? Your tricep involve more in your chest workout. Bicep with back.
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Actually i am doing chest/tri and back/bi routine before, but after the chest workout, i cant really do the tricep exercise well, so i decide to using this split.


Added on April 11, 2012, 1:46 am
QUOTE(synchun @ Apr 10 2012, 05:10 PM)
I've recently stumbled upon an interesting article on what they call as "Afterburn training/effect". I'm currently doing conventional weights training, 4 workouts(3 setsx10reps) followed by HIIT(15mins). How great is the afterburn effect from my workout? Any sifu can enlighten me and provide better insight on Afterburn training/effect?
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I think scooby can answer this. http://scoobysworkshop.com/afterburner-eff...melts-away-fat/

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QUOTE(thelion4ever @ Apr 11 2012, 12:04 AM)
How tall were you in form 3 ?

GUIZE, how much protein is there in 100g of chicken ? O_O

I'm getting all sorts of answers from 20g to 40g  yawn.gif
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right around that ball park. I usually just go with the middle road, 30g. so if I wanna have say 60 - 80g of protein for that certain meal, a 180 - 200g chicken breats will do
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QUOTE(razorboy @ Apr 10 2012, 08:49 PM)
IMHO, u'd be better off making hacks your primary lift and using DB Lunges instead. DB Squats just seems so dangerous especially when the weights get heavier
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QUOTE(-Dan @ Apr 10 2012, 09:21 PM)
With DB squats, the limiting factor will be how much you can hold. And seeing as your wrists are getting sore, it seems you're getting close to that limit. With hacks, You don't have to hold anything and can concentrate on using your legs. I agree with the hack squats and DB lunges combo.
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Thanks for the info, guys!
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QUOTE(Aztec @ Apr 10 2012, 11:10 PM)
40kg..i was using the 36..if ur lifting the heavier dumbells, peak hour or not doesnt matter..nobody uses them..lol
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mehhhhhhh LIGHTWEIGHT LULZ!
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ouch ! i feel some pain when im doing some curl

when kickback, feel pain at traps ( trapezius )
when zottman curl, feel pain at arm wrist
and lastly when bicep curl, left hand cant be productive as right.

any advice? doh.gif
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QUOTE(Aztec @ Apr 10 2012, 10:15 PM)
dat feel when u have the whole gym staring at u when ur doing heavy db presses..havent had so much attention at the gym ever.. cool2.gif

L O V E taylor's gym..epic trance music blasting..weights all available for me..fuarrkkkk

need shankar and deadmau5 to train with me for full on aesthetics krew
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I feel ya man. When i walked into their gym on the 27th Of March, the environment was kinda cool with awesome musics being blasted around but i have a few problems training at taylors gym as i told ya earlier. Btw, what days do you train there ? Have they got any Fixed Pulldown/Lat Pulldowns there ? ( Never realised those.)

Talking about seeking attention there, i gotta admit that its the best place for one to seek attention rclxm9.gif I went to the gym with a friend and was doing DB rows. The moment i picked up the 34kgs DB and started doing rows, almost everyone started looking. Even this bunch off guys that were towards the Muay Thai Ring started looking. The best part was when this 2 hot white chick came up to me and asked me to show them on how to do DB rows thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(thelion4ever @ Apr 11 2012, 12:04 AM)
How tall were you in form 3 ?
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about 185 i think

QUOTE(mikehuan @ Apr 11 2012, 09:34 AM)
Dan is already thinking,

mehhhhhhh LIGHTWEIGHT LULZ!
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i was shouting "whoooooo,lightweight!!"..damn hyper

QUOTE(shankar_dass93 @ Apr 11 2012, 12:35 PM)
I feel ya man. When i walked into their gym on the 27th Of March, the environment was kinda cool with awesome musics being blasted around but i have a few problems training at taylors gym as i told ya earlier. Btw, what days do you train there ? Have they got any Fixed Pulldown/Lat Pulldowns there ? ( Never realised those.)

Talking about seeking attention there, i gotta admit that its the best place for one to seek attention rclxm9.gif I went to the gym with a friend and was doing DB rows. The moment i picked up the 34kgs DB and started doing rows, almost everyone started looking. Even this bunch off guys that were towards the Muay Thai Ring started looking. The best part was when this 2 hot white chick came up to me and asked me to show them on how to do DB rows thumbup.gif
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yea..there is a lat pulldown..but kinda a weird newer type of machine..i train on tues 6pm and thurs 6.30/7pm

ohhh! the kazakh girls..niceeeee.. drool.gif
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U guys are strong notworthy.gif, i still stuck at 3x8 27.5KG Flat DB Press, 25KG at Incline DB Press. Will train harder to join the 30kg DB league. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(FiragaZ @ Apr 11 2012, 01:06 PM)
U guys are strong notworthy.gif, i still stuck at 3x8 27.5KG Flat DB Press, 25KG at Incline DB Press. Will train harder to join the 30kg DB league. tongue.gif
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How long did u take to reach 25? I started from 15kg to 30kg now in 5 weeks, not using dumbbell's tho

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QUOTE(deadmau5 @ Apr 11 2012, 02:37 PM)
How long did u take to reach 25? I started from 15kg to 30kg now in 5 weeks, not using dumbbell's tho
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Not remember well hmm.gif , but i start working out since Sep 2011, its been 7 months nod.gif, how many reps you can lift for 30kg DB press? Your height/weight?

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Woah, 27.5kg is also a lot already.
What about your height and weight Firagaz? Curious...
I'm 170cm and 64kg and I've only been using 12.5kg, pretty sure I can go heavier but the next set of dumbbells are 20kg...
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Even CF's dumbbells stop at 40kgs.

What am I supposed to row?

Miss the times when they still had 120 pounders,
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QUOTE(strinq @ Apr 11 2012, 03:51 PM)
Woah, 27.5kg is also a lot already.
What about your height and weight Firagaz? Curious...
I'm 170cm and 64kg and I've only been using 12.5kg, pretty sure I can go heavier but the next set of dumbbells are 20kg...
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I am 167cm, 58kg. Actually i had tried 30kg DB Press in drop set months ago, did it at the 1st set, still manage to push 4 reps.
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QUOTE(FiragaZ @ Apr 11 2012, 04:04 PM)
I am 167cm, 58kg. Actually i had tried 30kg DB Press in drop set months ago, did it at the 1st set, still manage to push 4 reps.
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That is 30kg per hand right?
Then for your height and weight...damn...ur strong man...
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QUOTE(strinq @ Apr 11 2012, 04:06 PM)
That is 30kg per hand right?
Then for your height and weight...damn...ur strong man...
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Yes, its 30kg per dumbbell, but 3x8 27.5kg still the sweet burn spot for me. Bro, i do see you could bench 50kg from your workout journal, it seems like you had some hard time balance the dumbbell doing DB press, i pretty sure you can lift more than 20kg with the poundage of 50kg bench, just keep practice. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(FiragaZ @ Apr 11 2012, 04:20 PM)
Yes, its 30kg per dumbbell, but 3x8 27.5kg still the sweet burn spot for me. Bro, i do see you could bench 50kg from your workout journal, it seems like you had some hard time balance the dumbbell doing DB press, i pretty sure you can lift more than 20kg with the poundage of 50kg bench, just keep practice. thumbup.gif
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Yeah, maybe need someone to lift them up first lol.
How much do you barbell bench then? Should be pretty high right haha.
Cuz I see the big guys in my gym and they don't even go for the 30kg dumbbells when benching.
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QUOTE(strinq @ Apr 11 2012, 04:31 PM)
Yeah, maybe need someone to lift them up first lol.
How much do you barbell bench then? Should be pretty high right haha.
Cuz I see the big guys in my gym and they don't even go for the 30kg dumbbells when benching.
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QUOTE(pedro @ Apr 11 2012, 04:02 PM)
Even CF's dumbbells stop at 40kgs.

What am I supposed to row?

Miss the times when they still had 120 pounders,
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120 pounds if i recall true fitness usj has them.

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QUOTE(pedro @ Apr 11 2012, 04:02 PM)
Even CF's dumbbells stop at 40kgs.

What am I supposed to row?

Miss the times when they still had 120 pounders,
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http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2302821


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Darklight has a thread dedicated to him in Kopitiam. For your amusement.

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2302821
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Funny shit.
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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Apr 11 2012, 09:10 PM)
Darklight has a thread dedicated to him in Kopitiam. For your amusement.

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2302821
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Didn't he say he was 77kg not too long ago?

If he was juicing, I'd put my money on him carrying a lot more mass.

zyzz was 90kg after 3 years of lifting, darklight has been lifting for a lot longer than that.

With that being said, I don't think any of us are in any position to judge him if he decides to get on the sauce. He's strong as hell and age might catch up to him before he manages to put on insane amounts of mass naturally.
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Hi, anyone tried stonglifts 5x5 program? Would like to know more personal experience about it. Its seems very good getting strength and muscle, and the program explanation seems legit, but my goal is getting lean and ripped, and strength of course, rob riches and steve cook body physique is what i seeking for, not sure without the isolation exercise but only compound exercise is able to reach my goal? Because i do watch some stronglifts members video / picture, most of them seems bulk or oversize (powerlifter style), i am dilemma now sad.gif . Btw i am 167cm, 58kg, 10% bf.

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QUOTE(FiragaZ @ Apr 11 2012, 11:48 PM)
Hi, anyone tried stonglifts 5x5 program? Would like to know more personal experience about it. Its seems very good getting strength and muscle, and the program explanation seems legit, but my goal is getting lean and ripped, and strength of course, rob riches and steve cook body physique is what i seeking for, not sure without the isolation exercise but only compound exercise is able to reach my goal? Because i do watch some stronglifts members video / picture, most of them seems bulk or oversize (powerlifter style),  i am dilemma now sad.gif . Btw i am 167cm, 58kg, 10% bf.
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I tried it some time ago for like 2-3 months and there was a definite increase in strength.
And you do improve your body overall but I stopped (sheer laziness).
But personally for pure muscle gain I think maybe specific daily body part exercises might be more useful (also I read about this somewhere). But then again I'm just a noob lol.
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QUOTE(FiragaZ @ Apr 11 2012, 11:48 PM)
Hi, anyone tried stonglifts 5x5 program? Would like to know more personal experience about it. Its seems very good getting strength and muscle, and the program explanation seems legit, but my goal is getting lean and ripped, and strength of course, rob riches and steve cook body physique is what i seeking for, not sure without the isolation exercise but only compound exercise is able to reach my goal? Because i do watch some stronglifts members video / picture, most of them seems bulk or oversize (powerlifter style),  i am dilemma now sad.gif . Btw i am 167cm, 58kg, 10% bf.
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IMO, all programs are good as long as you workout. I had an injury and had to stopped carrying weights.And last 2 months, I started back with 5X5. The best thing with 5X5 is that you can get to build up strength real quick. Of course there are various methods of carrying out 5X5 it could be a few 5X5 using low,middle,heavy weight or just a 5X5 it self using low, middle, heavy weight. I myself would prefer doing just a light 5X5 for each exercise for warm up before hitting a real 5X5. And I did this for the 5 major lift during every gym session before hitting the body split.
For eg.
11/4/2012 (Wednesday)- Leg Day
Squat
5X5X30kg
5X5X80kg
Bench Press
5X5X30kg
5X5X60kg
Deadlift
5X5X30kg
5X5X80kg
Shoulder Press
5X5X30kg
5X5X80kg
Bent Over Row
5X5X30kg
5X5X80kg

Jump Squat
5X5X20kg
Front Squat
5X5X20kg
Lunges wt Barbell
5X5X20kg
Vertical Jump
5X5
Calf Raising
5X5X20kg

This is basically how I used 5X5 with minimal rest time in between exercises.

The type of body u looking for ain't "easy", they are actually big (in mass), yet ripped. But similarly the physique of powerlifter ain't just like u can get it by just eating. The dilemma is like ntg. Becos once you workout, you know it's never be easy and quick enough to get either type of body.
You need to eat right,workout and rest well.

Basically you have to do intense workout, eating a lot and rest well if you want to gain that type of steve cook physique. He shot a video of his workout regime in Bodybuilding.com. Feel free to check it out.


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QUOTE(gnsumas @ Apr 11 2012, 09:36 PM)
Didn't he say he was 77kg not too long ago?

If he was juicing, I'd put my money on him carrying a lot more mass.

zyzz was 90kg after 3 years of lifting, darklight has been lifting for a lot longer than that.

With that being said, I don't think any of us are in any position to judge him if he decides to get on the sauce. He's strong as hell and age might catch up to him before he manages to put on insane amounts of mass naturally.
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Guys, today had I had a really awful feeling during gym. Definitely caused by my breakfast.

Woke up at 1130pm, ate 1 bowl of cereals + 4 eggs. Rested awhile and at 1230noon, took a glass of creatine (Controlled Labs Green Magnitude). Then off to gym and started working out at 130. But had a very uncomfortable feeling on my stomach. Made me gave up on my back workout.

Anyone felt like this before?
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When i do squat, i found that my Vastus Lateralis (green in the picture) respond much to that exercise and that muscle grow bigger than other.
Is'nt the squat should target the muscles in quad evenly? Or my squat form is wrong? Right now i only do squat for leg exercise. Havent try leg press.

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Gaspari Myofusion Probiotic - is this normal?


I just mixed my first two scoops of Cinnabun Myofusion in 12 ounces of skim milk about four hours ago.

My initial impressions of the flavor and consistency were extremely positive. The only problem was on about my third sip, I noticed something with a completely different consistency had made its way into my mouth and subsequently into my throat.

I texted my girlfriend (since I couldn't really talk/breathe properly due to the newfound obstruction) and told her to call 911. After 10 excruciating and terrifying minutes the ambulance arrived at my apartment complex. They took a quick glance at the protrusion next to my adam's apple and knew something was seriously wrong.

On the way to the emergency room the EMT's, completely oblivious to the fact that I couldn't talk, kept asking me questions. After several minutes of spazzed out charades, they gave me a pen and a piece of paper on which I scribbled "Gaspari" and pointed to the branded shaker (received it for free with my order) I still had a death grip on.

The EMT's looked at one another confused until the driver shouted, "Google it!" The guy who gave me the pen and paper whipped out his smartphone and started typing away.

After what seemed like an eternity (he clearly wasn't used to a touch keyboard and didn't know to use Swype), he put the phone to his ear. All I could hear over my labored breathing was what sounded like a conversation with a customer service representative.

The next thing I knew, we were pulled over on the side of the parkway and the EMT's were assuring me I'd be fine as they had a specialist on the way.

Enraged at the thought of waiting for help as opposed to going to get help, I tried desperately to convince them to continue on to the ER. By the time I was able to plead my case on paper, I heard the whir of helicopter propellers coming to a stop right outside the ambulance.

The EMT's hopped out of the ambulance to inform who I could only assume was the "specialist" of my situation. In a voice much manlier than either of the EMT's, I heard something along the lines of, "Calm down. I have dealt with this at least a dozen times in the past six months."

Before either EMT could respond the doors flew open and in came an extremely muscular middle-aged man in a black polo. He pressed gently (even though it hurt like hell) on my throat and said he would need to sedate me. As he turned to ask the EMT's where they stored the anesthetics I caught a glimpse of a name tag that read, "Hi, my name is Rich. How may I help you?"

Not only was I shocked that the owner of Gaspari Nutrition was in the back of an ambulance with me, I was even more shocked when I heard the EMT say they didn't restock their supplies before they left this morning.

Without hesitation, Rich reached into a Gaspari gym bag and pulled out a tub of SuperPump Max and hooked it to my IV. He told me it would do nothing for the pain but the active ingredients had been clinically proven to aide in athletic performance. He yanked the tube from my IV and took a couple shots himself and then said, "Let's get to work!" I passed out at that point.

When I came to approximately 45 minutes later, my throat was completely unobstructed but sore. There was no sign of Rich Gaspari or any of the Gaspari-related products in the ambulance. The only thing I was greeted with was the EMT's asking me to sign some waivers. I obliged and, while doing so, noticed my forearms were quite vascular thanks to the SuperPump Max.

I asked what happened while I was unconscious and the EMT's told me that I had swallowed a live kitten and that Rich was able to remove it without damaging my esophagus AND keep it alive AND found the little girl who had lost the kitten several months ago and returned it to her!

Thanking the EMT's for their help as they dropped me back off at my apartment, I reached for my keys and felt a piece of paper in my pocket. I pulled it out and it had Gaspari customer service's phone number on it. After my girlfriend got home, I decided to give them a call to see about getting a replacement tub of protein and a new shaker since mine was missing when I woke up.

I spoke with what seemed to be a very nice lady named Tammy. I explained the situation and what had transpired earlier today. Upon finishing my story, Tammy began laughing hysterically. Offended by her insensitivity, I requested her supervisor. After being on hold for seven minutes, Jeff came on the line and I could tell he was already laughing too! I hung up the phone.

Needless to say, I won't be purchasing any more Gaspari products in the future.

Source: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=143947231
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QUOTE(elvenchou1987 @ Apr 12 2012, 04:03 AM)
Guys, today had I had a really awful feeling during gym. Definitely caused by my breakfast.

Woke up at 1130pm, ate 1 bowl of cereals + 4 eggs. Rested awhile and at 1230noon, took a glass of creatine (Controlled Labs Green Magnitude). Then off to gym and started working out at 130. But had a very uncomfortable feeling on my stomach. Made me gave up on my back workout.

Anyone felt like this before?
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Err, you just had a tummy ache?

QUOTE(kicksense @ Apr 12 2012, 05:12 AM)
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When i do squat, i found that my Vastus Lateralis (green in the picture) respond much to that exercise and that muscle grow bigger than other.
Is'nt the squat should target the muscles in quad evenly? Or my squat form is wrong? Right now i only do squat for leg exercise. Havent try leg press.
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Squats is not the same for everyone. Hits more for different areas for different people. In any case if your leg is growing shouldn't be any complaints right?


@swk: I don't get it. Rp story ah lol
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QUOTE(kicksense @ Apr 12 2012, 05:12 AM)
When i do squat, i found that my Vastus Lateralis (green in the picture) respond much to that exercise and that muscle grow bigger than other.
Is'nt the squat should target the muscles in quad evenly? Or my squat form is wrong? Right now i only do squat for leg exercise. Havent try leg press.
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It's the same for me.
So I kinda balance it out with machine leg curls which seem to affect my vastus medialis (blue) more.
When I do both, my whole thigh gets really sore evenly.
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QUOTE(mikehuan @ Apr 12 2012, 08:30 AM)

@swk: I don't get it. Rp story ah lol
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What's Rp story? But ya, talk cock story lol. Got me believing until it reached Superpump Max.

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QUOTE(swks26 @ Apr 12 2012, 07:58 AM)
Meh, not the best. There have been better stories. tongue.gif
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Meh, not the best. There have been better stories. tongue.gif
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Hahaha, creatine story is far best for me. This one came up because just a couple of days ago, someone complained that there were platic pieces in his tub of myo probiotics.
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i cant revive back the old thread so i just put it here


to Strongman out there

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to bodybuilders
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QUOTE(-Dan @ Apr 10 2012, 11:28 PM)
Sweet, nice range of weights!
Okay, forget all that. Lifting weights is not going to stunt your growth. Stunted growth is due to damage to growth plates. There's no impact involved in lifting weights. If you lift properly with good form, it may even help you grow that little bit more because it can stimulate the release of growth hormones. You're 15, your hormone levels are gonna get even higher in the coming years, so might as well make use of that and get stronger and fitter.

http://stronglifts.com/does-weight-lifting-stunt-growth/

http://skinnybulkup.com/does-weight-lifting-stunt-growth/

If you're worried about your height, there are other things you should be thinking about, instead of the type of exercise you do. Are you eating right? Are you sleeping enough? These things are more likely to have an effect on your overall growth that whether you play football or lift weights.
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Sorry for the late reply again. Actually I dun intend to do heavy weight lifting, just want some muscles on my arm happy.gif . So I guess pumping will be enough for me.

Regarding other factors, I eat
-Oats for breakfast
-Mixed rice (got vege and meat la) for recess about 2 or 3 out of 5 days, the other 2 or 3 can be anything. wink.gif
-Lunch if got other school activities then mixed rice again. If eat at home then bread / maggi mee / leftover food from last night's dinner which consists of meat + vege + rice at least.
-Dinner then also same lor meat + vege + rice + others(egg/tofu...)

So is it balanced enough?

Regarding the amount of sleep, how many hours is enough? I think I have lack of sleep, on weekdays 6 hrs on average. Weekends can be 6-12 hrs. Ok or not? unsure.gif


QUOTE(Aztec @ Apr 10 2012, 11:41 PM)
well..to be honest i lifted dumbells overhead to stunt my growth last time..did it for maybe 3months when i was in form 2 or 3..

broscience or not it somewhat worked as i did not grow that much after that..maybe it was just coincidence..

im 190cm now..so if u wanna grow tall just sleep alot man..take that afternoon nap after school..i slept from like 3-7pm everyday
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I heard many people said that long afternoon naps are bad for u, any idea why? unsure.gif


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QUOTE(Aztec @ Apr 11 2012, 12:40 PM)
about 185 i think
i was shouting "whoooooo,lightweight!!"..damn hyper
yea..there is a lat pulldown..but kinda a weird newer type of machine..i train on tues 6pm and thurs 6.30/7pm

ohhh! the kazakh girls..niceeeee.. drool.gif
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185?? So tall?? I thought people who are already that tall at 15 usually won't grow so much anymore, so how to conclude your earlier post? Any idea?

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185?? So tall?? I thought people who are already that tall at 15 usually won't grow so much anymore, so how to conclude your earlier post? Any idea?
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Walao if u didn't stun ur growth in form3, means u can grow even more, since u only grew like 5cm after that?

I'm only 172cm/65kg sad.gif
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QUOTE(danielcmugen @ Apr 12 2012, 05:56 PM)
Regarding the amount of sleep, how many hours is enough? I think I have lack of sleep, on weekdays 6 hrs on average. Weekends can be 6-12 hrs. Ok or not? unsure.gif
I heard many people said that long afternoon naps are bad for u, any idea why? unsure.gif


Added on April 12, 2012, 5:59 pm
185?? So tall?? I thought people who are already that tall at 15 usually won't grow so much anymore, so how to conclude your earlier post? Any idea?
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No idea..u can conclude what u want from it..among my group of 5 friends i was the tallest in form 3..

all of us were 175cm above in form 3..now im the 3rd tallest..lol

QUOTE(deadmau5 @ Apr 12 2012, 11:04 PM)
Walao if u didn't stun ur growth in form3, means u can grow even more, since u only grew like 5cm after that?

I'm only 172cm/65kg sad.gif
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Like i said..maybe yes,maybe no..my friends who did not lift overtook me in height
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Anyone here know if the HELP Residency flats have a gym or something?

I don't stay there, but it'd be very convenient if they did (have a gym).

I could find out myself, but I don't have any classes until Monday, so I figured I'd ask here first.
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QUOTE(gnsumas @ Apr 13 2012, 12:24 AM)
Anyone here know if the HELP Residency flats have a gym or something?

I don't stay there, but it'd be very convenient if they did (have a gym).

I could find out myself, but I don't have any classes until Monday, so I figured I'd ask here first.
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I don't stay at HELP Residence, but I roughly know the area. If I'm not wrong, there's a Celebrity Fitness in Bangsar Village, and also Fitness First near the HP Tower, near Wisma HELP.
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QUOTE(mikehuan @ Apr 12 2012, 08:30 AM)
Err, you just had a tummy ache?
Squats is not the same for everyone. Hits more for different areas for different people. In any case if your leg is growing shouldn't be any complaints right?
@swk: I don't get it. Rp story ah lol
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just wanted to ask, anyone using wrist wrap? is it useful? kindly share your experience..
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QUOTE(gnsumas @ Apr 13 2012, 12:24 AM)
Anyone here know if the HELP Residency flats have a gym or something?

I don't stay there, but it'd be very convenient if they did (have a gym).

I could find out myself, but I don't have any classes until Monday, so I figured I'd ask here first.
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QUOTE(harris92 @ Apr 13 2012, 12:54 AM)
I don't stay at HELP Residence, but I roughly know the area. If I'm not wrong, there's a Celebrity Fitness in Bangsar Village, and also Fitness First near the HP Tower, near Wisma HELP.
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There's also CHi Fitness in Bangsar Shopping Center.
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QUOTE(MelForC3 @ Apr 13 2012, 11:24 AM)
Hi guys,

just wanted to ask, anyone using wrist wrap? is it useful? kindly share your experience..
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I use em, but only when I need em. Say, on the 2nd set my wrist started feeling funny, i just strap it on. Only on pressing movements though.
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QUOTE(deadmau5 @ Apr 12 2012, 11:04 PM)
Walao if u didn't stun ur growth in form3, means u can grow even more, since u only grew like 5cm after that?

I'm only 172cm/65kg sad.gif
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I form 5 still 168cm cry.gif Regret starving myself in form 2 and 3 cry.gif

I think i'm a late bloomer though.

QUOTE(Aztec @ Apr 12 2012, 11:50 PM)
No idea..u can conclude what u want from it..among my group of 5 friends i was the tallest in form 3..

all of us were 175cm above in form 3..now im the 3rd tallest..lol
Like i said..maybe yes,maybe no..my friends who did not lift overtook me in height
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QUOTE(thelion4ever @ Apr 13 2012, 02:22 PM)
You guys realize that the lifting makes you short myth is fake right ?  unsure.gif
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I was taller than my friend A at form 2, we call him shortie, then I started weight lifting at 15, now he is 3inch taller than me cry.gif
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QUOTE(Awakened_Angel @ Apr 13 2012, 01:28 PM)
I was taller than my friend A at form 2, we call him shortie, then I started weight lifting at 15, now he is 3inch taller than me  cry.gif
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but thats ur fren. diff genetics right. so u cant compare like that
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Falk B, Eliakim A. Pediatr Endocrinol Rev. 2003 Dec;1(2):120-7.

[Resistance training, skeletal muscle and growth.]
Resistance training in youth and its effectiveness, possible effect on growth and safety considerations, has received considerable public and scientific attention in recent years. Although few early studies questioned the usefulness of resistance training in children, numerous recent studies have demonstrated its effectiveness in both children and adolescents. Nevertheless, the optimal intensity and volume of training for youths of different ages requires further study. The increase in strength following resistance training in youths, especially in prepubertal children, is believed to be due mainly to neural adaptations and only minimally, if at all, to muscle hypertrophy. Few studies have examined the long-term effect of resistance training on growth. The few which have, found that, contrary to the common misconception that resistance training may retard growth. Scientific evidence indicates that resistance training results in increased serum IGF-I and that there is no detrimental effect on linear growth. Finally, numerous studies have demonstrated that with appropriate supervision and precautions, resistance training can be safe and effective for children and adolescents.
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I use em, but only when I need em. Say, on the 2nd set my wrist started feeling funny, i just strap it on. Only on pressing movements though.
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Falk B, Eliakim A. Pediatr Endocrinol Rev. 2003 Dec;1(2):120-7.

[Resistance training, skeletal muscle and growth.]
Resistance training in youth and its effectiveness, possible effect on growth and safety considerations, has received considerable public and scientific attention in recent years. Although few early studies questioned the usefulness of resistance training in children, numerous recent studies have demonstrated its effectiveness in both children and adolescents. Nevertheless, the optimal intensity and volume of training for youths of different ages requires further study. The increase in strength following resistance training in youths, especially in prepubertal children, is believed to be due mainly to neural adaptations and only minimally, if at all, to muscle hypertrophy. Few studies have examined the long-term effect of resistance training on growth. The few which have, found that, contrary to the common misconception that resistance training may retard growth. Scientific evidence indicates that resistance training results in increased serum IGF-I and that there is no detrimental effect on linear growth. Finally, numerous studies have demonstrated that with appropriate supervision and precautions, resistance training can be safe and effective for children and adolescents.
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Hey guys, do you do narrow grip bench press? Will it help in buiding inner chest muscles? I'm disappointed with my inner chest. Any tips?
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QUOTE(elvenchou1987 @ Apr 13 2012, 03:28 PM)
Hey guys, do you do narrow grip bench press? Will it help in buiding inner chest muscles? I'm disappointed with my inner chest. Any tips?
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Narrow grip bench press hit your tricep more, i think fly or pec deck machine will help.
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QUOTE(elvenchou1987 @ Apr 13 2012, 03:28 PM)
Hey guys, do you do narrow grip bench press? Will it help in buiding inner chest muscles? I'm disappointed with my inner chest. Any tips?
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this is what i heard/read as well
everytime after a normal BP, I'll do narrow BP
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Narrow grip bench press hit your tricep more, i think fly or pec deck machine will help.
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Hmm I think the 'narrow grip bench press' you are referring to is close grip where the distance from both your hands would be approx an inch. The narrow grip I am referring to the distance grip at approx shoulder width. Example below :

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Guys in the gym I go to,there is only a Smith Machine and the one like in the pic above posted by elvenchou1987 for bench press.So if I want do squats,I don't want to use the Smith Machine as I heard it's bad.So how should I get the barbell to my shoulders?
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QUOTE(bigbangformula @ Apr 13 2012, 06:47 PM)
Guys in the gym I go to,there is only a Smith Machine and the one like in the pic above posted by elvenchou1987 for bench press.So if I want do squats,I don't want to use the Smith Machine as I heard it's bad.So how should I get the barbell to my shoulders?
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dont use the fixed bar..ie the one on smith
use "free" bar but put it on one of the barbell rest of smith machine..(the spike2 thing u see on the pic)
from there you can rest it on your shoulder and lift it up quite easily
then when u want to put it back also easy....if you find it quite hard...ask someone to help smile.gif

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QUOTE(raul88 @ Apr 13 2012, 07:09 PM)
dont use the fixed bar..ie the one on smith
use "free" bar but put it on one of the barbell rest of smith machine..(the spike2 thing u see on the pic)
from there you can rest it on your shoulder and lift it up quite easily
then when u want to put it back also easy....if you find it quite hard...ask someone to help smile.gif 

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That's a good idea,but the Smith Machine in my gym doesn't have those spikes.Actually I'm not sure,but I think it doesn't. Sorry I'm new to all these

The one in my gym looks something like this:Smith Machine

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QUOTE(raul88 @ Apr 13 2012, 07:09 PM)
dont use the fixed bar..ie the one on smith
use "free" bar but put it on one of the barbell rest of smith machine..(the spike2 thing u see on the pic)
from there you can rest it on your shoulder and lift it up quite easily
then when u want to put it back also easy....if you find it quite hard...ask someone to help smile.gif 

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mind explaining the bold-ed part?

becazuse it allows movement in a fixed plane of motion?

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QUOTE(bigbangformula @ Apr 13 2012, 07:13 PM)
That's a good idea,but the Smith Machine in my gym doesn't have those spikes.Actually I'm not sure,but I think it doesn't. Sorry I'm new to all these

The one in my gym looks something like this:Smith Machine
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I had the exactly same facility in my hostel gym. Just carry it overhead and rest on shoulders. This why I squat maximum only 50kg. That the max weight I can afford carry it overhead and land safely. Tried 60kg which almost kill me when I try to deload it from shoulder. Compensate the load, I do more reps and sets. Added in power clean and hang clean sort of power lift.

My friend who trained taekwondo choose to use the rack for bench press as the short squat rack.

If we train together, then we help each other to load and deload then we afford heavier loads. We bare with the facilities since we dun pay for it and we can use it like 24/7.
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QUOTE(pedro @ Apr 11 2012, 04:02 PM)
Even CF's dumbbells stop at 40kgs.

What am I supposed to row?

Miss the times when they still had 120 pounders,
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mind explaining the bold-ed part?

becazuse it allows movement in a fixed plane of motion?
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Yes, most of the Smith Machines allow movement in fixed plane of motion which is a vertical up and down motion.In contrast, when we are squatting,bench pressing,deadlifting (the normal workouts that we use smith machines to), the barbell motion ain't just a vertical up and down. It may be slanted following the anatomy of the body part. Hence, the range of motion of Smith's somehow restricted the motion of the person who workout.

Which may somehow put unnecessary pressure on the back or knee (during squatting), wrist and elbow (when bench pressing).

But I myself do use smith machine for squatting and lunges occasionally.
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QUOTE(Dagger69 @ Apr 13 2012, 10:17 PM)
mind explaining the bold-ed part?

becazuse it allows movement in a fixed plane of motion?
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QUOTE(van_takawa @ Apr 13 2012, 10:28 PM)
Yes, most of the Smith Machines allow movement in fixed plane of motion which is a vertical up and down motion.In contrast, when we are squatting,bench pressing,deadlifting (the normal workouts that we use smith machines to), the barbell motion ain't just a vertical up and down. It may be slanted following the anatomy of the body part. Hence, the range of motion of Smith's somehow restricted the motion of the person who workout.

Which may somehow put unnecessary pressure on the back or knee (during squatting), wrist and elbow (when bench pressing).

But I myself do use smith machine for squatting and lunges occasionally.
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van_takawa already answered the question
Im not an expert but when i was started working out, i used smith machine for my BP and squat
I had difficulties in movement, it doesnt align correctly...if i may put it that way
when i change to normal barbell, i feel that my workout is better
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There's nothing wrong with squatting in the smith machine. Just place your feet further forwards and mimic a hack squat movement.
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QUOTE(van_takawa @ Apr 13 2012, 10:18 PM)
I had the exactly same facility in my hostel gym. Just carry it overhead and rest on shoulders. This why I squat maximum only 50kg. That the max weight I can afford carry it overhead and land safely. Tried 60kg which almost kill me when I try to deload it from shoulder. Compensate the load, I do more reps and sets. Added in power clean and hang clean sort of power lift.

My friend who trained taekwondo choose to use the rack for bench press as the short squat rack.

If we train together, then we help each other to load and deload then we afford heavier loads. We bare with the facilities since we dun pay for it and we can use it like 24/7.
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There's nothing wrong with squatting in the smith machine. Just place your feet further forwards and mimic a hack squat movement.
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So is it ok to do squats and bench presses with the smith machine?I read a few stuff on the internet saying it's bad.
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QUOTE(bigbangformula @ Apr 13 2012, 11:58 PM)
I did thought of lifting overheard too,but is it safe to do so?I won't be lifting so heavy though,I'm just starting out in a gym.So maybe I will be starting off with 5KG plates on each side?
So is it ok to do squats and bench presses with the smith machine?I read a few stuff on the internet saying it's bad.
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Dan did said that Hack Squat is alright but it's not advisable for back squat. Most important is u feel good. Lifting overhead is danger especially when ur posture get wrong.Imagine moving a heavy weight (eg.20kg) on the floor over top of head is like more than 1.7m, which may cause serious force on certain joint or worst ur back.I did saw my friend who try to imitate what I do get injured.Strength is relative, I not sure whether u can lift 5kg aside or not, but if u can lift them overhead comfortably, y not?

U said ur gym had a bench and a rack, use that for bench press. For squat, do a hack squat on smith machine as what Dan suggest or just a barbell squat. In case you don't know, another good replacement for squat will be lunges. There are normal lunges, step back lunges, side lunges, toe raise lunges. They all work ur quads. If u really enjoy and want to squat, there are wall squat (both leg or more advanced single leg), jump squat, front barbell squat, dumbell squat. U can do these squats without weight or with weight, and for beginner and even intermediate (even my friend who is a state volleyball player) feel the quad's burn as long as you do it correctly and a slow-high tempo.

Workout and exercises is just working out ur muscles more active and intense than what you normally do. Variations can always be done to fadapt and fit in to made u feel happy working out. As long as there is an improvement, good enough.Happy workout. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(van_takawa @ Apr 14 2012, 12:12 AM)
Dan did said that Hack Squat is alright but it's not advisable for back squat. Most important is u feel good. Lifting overhead is danger especially when ur posture get wrong.Imagine moving a heavy weight (eg.20kg) on the floor over top of head is like more than 1.7m, which may cause serious force on certain joint or worst ur back.I did saw my friend who try to imitate what I do get injured.Strength is relative, I not sure whether u can lift 5kg aside or not, but if u can lift them overhead comfortably, y not?

U said ur gym had a bench and a rack, use that for bench press. For squat, do a hack squat on smith machine as what Dan suggest or just a barbell squat. In case you don't know, another good replacement for squat will be lunges. There are normal lunges, step back lunges, side lunges, toe raise lunges. They all work ur quads. If u really enjoy and want to squat, there are wall squat (both leg or more advanced single leg), jump squat, front barbell squat, dumbell squat. U can do these squats without weight or with weight, and for beginner and even intermediate (even my friend who is a state volleyball player) feel the quad's burn as long as you do it correctly and a slow-high tempo.

Workout and exercises is just working out ur muscles more active and intense than what you normally do. Variations can always be done to fadapt and fit in to made u feel happy working out. As long as there is an improvement, good enough.Happy workout. thumbup.gif
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Maybe a friend can help me to lift it to my shoulders?

I used to do dumbbell squats,but only with a pair of 5KG dumbbells...actually I'm still looking around for a good routine..my aim is to be more muscular,especially in my arms which are super skinny,and also better in my sprinting.My track events is in July. I can train about 2-3x a week.
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QUOTE(bigbangformula @ Apr 14 2012, 12:22 AM)
Maybe a friend can help me to lift it to my shoulders?

I used to do dumbbell squats,but only with a pair of 5KG dumbbells...actually I'm still looking around for a good routine..my aim is to be more muscular,especially in my arms which are super skinny,and also better in my sprinting.My track events is in July. I can train about 2-3x a week.
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how young r u? wad u taking part in?
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how young r u? wad u taking part in?
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17.Track events like 100m,200m,and 400m.Well actually training for it so that I can be good enough to represent my house.

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17.Track events like 100m,200m,and 400m.Well actually training for it so that I can be good enough to represent my house.
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Train more ur shoulder, quads n do more plyometric. These r good for sprinting.
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Train more ur shoulder, quads n do more plyometric. These r good for sprinting.
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Basically I should be doing compound stuff like squats,deadlifts and all that right?

What do u guys think of this routine: BB.com Male Teen Routine
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QUOTE(bigbangformula @ Apr 14 2012, 12:50 AM)
Basically I should be doing compound stuff like squats,deadlifts and all that right?

What do u guys think of this routine: BB.com Male Teen Routine
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It depends on what ur goal. Sum wan greater strength or body they start wif compound lift. But if u wan sprinter type of training, they do squat and some lifting but most of the time running n sprinting training. The routine is good or i should say all program n routine is good if u follow strictly.
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QUOTE(-Dan @ Apr 10 2012, 11:28 PM)
Sweet, nice range of weights!
Okay, forget all that. Lifting weights is not going to stunt your growth. Stunted growth is due to damage to growth plates. There's no impact involved in lifting weights. If you lift properly with good form, it may even help you grow that little bit more because it can stimulate the release of growth hormones. You're 15, your hormone levels are gonna get even higher in the coming years, so might as well make use of that and get stronger and fitter.

http://stronglifts.com/does-weight-lifting-stunt-growth/

http://skinnybulkup.com/does-weight-lifting-stunt-growth/

If you're worried about your height, there are other things you should be thinking about, instead of the type of exercise you do. Are you eating right? Are you sleeping enough? These things are more likely to have an effect on your overall growth that whether you play football or lift weights.
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Sorry for the late reply again. Actually I dun intend to do heavy weight lifting, just want some muscles on my arm happy.gif . So I guess pumping will be enough for me.

Regarding other factors, I eat
-Oats for breakfast
-Mixed rice (got vege and meat la) for recess about 2 or 3 out of 5 days, the other 2 or 3 can be anything. wink.gif
-Lunch if got other school activities then mixed rice again. If eat at home then bread / maggi mee / leftover food from last night's dinner which consists of meat + vege + rice at least.
-Dinner then also same lor meat + vege + rice + others(egg/tofu...)

So is it balanced enough?

Regarding the amount of sleep, how many hours is enough? I think I have lack of sleep, on weekdays 6 hrs on average. Weekends can be 6-12 hrs. Ok or not? unsure.gif
I heard many people said that long afternoon naps are bad for u, any idea why? unsure.gif


Added on April 12, 2012, 5:59 pm
185?? So tall?? I thought people who are already that tall at 15 usually won't grow so much anymore, so how to conclude your earlier post? Any idea?
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Morning peeps! I'm hitting my arms today but my tris are still sore resulting from narrow grip chest days(2 days ago). Is it okay if I just train my bi today and skip my tri?
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QUOTE(synchun @ Apr 14 2012, 10:04 AM)
Morning peeps! I'm hitting my arms today but my tris are still sore resulting from narrow grip chest days(2 days ago). Is it okay if I just train my bi today and skip my tri?
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Umm, why did u do close grip two days ago? Its a triceps exercise. But anyhow 2 days is enough rest, I would say hit them again.

Unless u got a delt day coming up.
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QUOTE(synchun @ Apr 14 2012, 10:04 AM)
Morning peeps! I'm hitting my arms today but my tris are still sore resulting from narrow grip chest days(2 days ago). Is it okay if I just train my bi today and skip my tri?
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Like Mike said, it's 2 days, u can just hit ur arm as in whole. U can start with very light weight to warm ur tris, and add in weight accordingly, once it's warmed I guess it should be fine.Or u can try to work ur bicep first then ur tris. Since they work antagonist,U may feel better throughout the workout. Just my personal experience though.
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Hi guys. Time for some form check. Kindly request corrections from you guys to help me improve. I noticed with the hack squat that i need to lower my shoulders. Apart from that, are there other mistakes?

Bench press
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iA80mJp0_VU
For the bench press I was lying on 2 pillows, 1 supporting the shoulders and neck and another supporting the hips. Lol at the set up though

Hack squat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2MFabNfXDg

Row
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_PKZWL4y60

Hope you guys don't mind the lightweight, that's really what i can manage for now. Thank you in advance!

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QUOTE(Galant @ Apr 14 2012, 12:21 PM)
Hi guys. Time for some form check. Kindly request corrections from you guys to help me improve. I noticed with the hack squat that i need to lower my shoulders. Apart from that, are there other mistakes?

Bench press
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iA80mJp0_VU

Hack squat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2MFabNfXDg

Row
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_PKZWL4y60

Hope you guys don't mind the lightweight, that's really what i can manage for now. Thank you in advance!
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Do u feel the tension on the chest when u bench press?
Do u feel uncomfortable on your knee when u hack squat?
Do u feel umcomfortable at ur back when u row?

These are the questions u need to know becos it will tell u whether or not u r doin something wrong.

Just my own experience, I cant feel much when lying on the floor doing bench press and I'm not sure whether u had a feeling of tucking in ur elbow which I think u should. And I think u bend a little bit much on back for the rowing.

Well, just my own opinions, let's hear frm other big bros.
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Thanks, van_takawa

Do u feel the tension on the chest when u bench press?
Yup, but not much. Maybe it's because it's too light? i kinda feel more tension on the forearms

Do u feel uncomfortable on your knee when u hack squat?
Not really

Do u feel umcomfortable at ur back when u row?
Can feel some tension, but I think it's the muscles working, no?

I don't really understand what you meant by the 'tucking' feeling, but if there's any sensation on the elbows it's only at the beginning of the press.
And yeah, now that you mention it, i do notice that i overbent on the row. Should be flat. Maybe i need a mirror next time coz difficult to agak2 properly.

Thanks again!
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QUOTE(FiragaZ @ Apr 10 2012, 03:59 PM)
Is my workout routine fine?

Day 1.
Chest / Bicep
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tuesday = chest
wed = back
thursday =shoulder
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QUOTE(Galant @ Apr 14 2012, 01:18 PM)
Thanks, van_takawa

Do u feel the tension on the chest when u bench press?
Yup, but not much. Maybe it's because it's too light? i kinda feel more tension on the forearms

Do u feel uncomfortable on your knee when u hack squat?
Not really

Do u feel umcomfortable at ur back when u row?
Can feel some tension, but I think it's the muscles working, no?

I don't really understand what you meant by the 'tucking' feeling, but if there's any sensation on the elbows it's only at the beginning of the press.
And yeah, now that you mention it, i do notice that i overbent on the row. Should be flat. Maybe i need a mirror next time coz difficult to agak2 properly.

Thanks again!
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Rename your exercises.

Floor presses, sissy squats, pendlay rows.

Generally your form is fine on all three, imo.
Youtube the exercises i mentioned to see other people do it and check for forms there
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Did anyone here tried Stronglifts 5x5 ?
Is it works? Effective?
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Did anyone here tried Stronglifts 5x5 ?
Is it works? Effective?
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QUOTE(mikehuan @ Apr 14 2012, 01:47 PM)
Rename your exercises.

Floor presses, sissy squats, pendlay rows.

Generally your form is fine on all three, imo.
Youtube the exercises i mentioned to see other people do it and check for forms there
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Thanks mike.

About the squat i made, it's quite different from the sissy squats i saw. Those involve a kind of bent back, limbo rock movement.
http://www.muscleandstrength.com/exercises/sissy-squat.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRUZQYh4cEs

While the one i perform was similar to the hack squat described at bb.com
http://www.bodybuilding.com/exercises/deta...bell-hack-squat

Perhaps you were referring to another type of sissy squat? Or was the way I doing the hack squat resembled sissy? Thanks
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QUOTE(janson_kaniaz @ Apr 14 2012, 07:06 PM)
good for beginner. it does improve strength.
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IMO, beginner should start something like SL 5X5 to improve strength first before go into isolation exercises.

the only thing that matters for building muscle is gaining strength, no?

Correct me if Im wrong.

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QUOTE(JustForTrade @ Apr 14 2012, 06:34 PM)
Hi guys,
Did anyone here tried Stronglifts 5x5 ?
Is it works? Effective?
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Done that for 3 months. Really improved my overall results. Definitely worth a try for newbies. Just one advise, need to have that mental strength
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QUOTE(elvenchou1987 @ Apr 15 2012, 02:39 PM)
Done that for 3 months. Really improved my overall results. Definitely worth a try for newbies. Just one advise, need to have that mental strength
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I think im gonna start 5X5 program
normal 3 sets is hard for me
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Lol, not sure where I should post this.
Since I changed my diet to fit at least 1g protein per pound bodyweight, my pee has been quite consistently light yellow.
I've been drinking a lot of water since before I change my diet and most of the time it would be near colourless.
I'm drinking as much or more water since the diet change. (I'm pretty sure my intake is sufficient)
Would it be a good indicator of me taking enough protein? (as in there's access being converted to nitrogen and released)
Just a purely curious question.

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QUOTE(strinq @ Apr 15 2012, 03:15 PM)
Lol, not sure where I should post this.
Since I changed my diet to fit at least 1g protein per pound bodyweight, my pee has been quite consistently light yellow.
I've been drinking a lot of water since before I change my diet and most of the time it would be near colourless.
I'm drinking as much or more water since the diet change. (I'm pretty sure my intake is sufficient)
Would it be a good indicator of me taking enough protein? (as in there's access being converted to nitrogen and released)
Just a purely curious question.
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Hmm, just my 2 cents, I think the colour also depends on how frequent you drink as well as the quantity. If you spread out the water intake more evenly, I think even you have enough protein, the colour will be clear.
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QUOTE(Galant @ Apr 15 2012, 04:22 PM)
Hmm, just my 2 cents, I think the colour also depends on how frequent you drink as well as the quantity. If you spread out the water intake more evenly, I think even you have enough protein, the colour will be clear.
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Yeah, I think I do spread it out pretty equally.
I don't drink like a large amount in one sitting then don't drink for a few hours.

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EH what website u guys use to find the amount of protein, fats and carbs in a certain food ?
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QUOTE(thelion4ever @ Apr 15 2012, 05:33 PM)
EH what website u guys use to find the amount of protein, fats and carbs in a certain food ?
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My Fitness Pal has a very nice database, even a section with tonnes of Malaysian food:
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/nutrition-fact.../malaysian-food

For Android and iPhone users, get their app its free and does a good job keep track of your nutrition count for the day.
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Guys is a full-body routine good?Any example of a full-body routine I can do?
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QUOTE(thelion4ever @ Apr 15 2012, 06:33 PM)
EH what website u guys use to find the amount of protein, fats and carbs in a certain food ?
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cekodok.com..malaysian food database.
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QUOTE(Galant @ Apr 14 2012, 08:10 PM)
Thanks mike.

About the squat i made, it's quite different from the sissy squats i saw. Those involve a kind of bent back, limbo rock movement.
http://www.muscleandstrength.com/exercises/sissy-squat.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRUZQYh4cEs

While the one i perform was similar to the hack squat described at bb.com
http://www.bodybuilding.com/exercises/deta...bell-hack-squat

Perhaps you were referring to another type of sissy squat? Or was the way I doing the hack squat resembled sissy? Thanks
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Oh my bad man, got the wrong term. Guess youre doing hack squats lol.


On a side note, loaded an extra 10kg on the smith by mistake during a flat bench press today lol. Got the first rep and totaly failed the second. Good thing there was one person nearby, cos i was effin stuck!

Lesson of the day: try not to train when youre sick, you end to not focus enough!

Edit: was on the smith so it wasnt so bad shakehead.gif

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QUOTE(JustForTrade @ Apr 14 2012, 06:34 PM)
Hi guys,
Did anyone here tried Stronglifts 5x5 ?
Is it works? Effective?
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I'm doing Stronglifts 5x5 when I'm started my journey in weightlifting. I like it and the mass gain and strength gain is good. But currently I'm adjusting my workout a bit. Removing OHP (I'm sucks at OHP) and adding dips and chin up, lateral raise, front raise and rear lateral raise.

I started with a friend and he stopped doing SL 5x5 for unknown reasons and started doing isolation exercise such as bicep curl, preacher curl and stopped entirely doing squat and deadlift (large upper body mentality) and guess what, I'm having a much better result than him although he uses mass gainers and whey and I didn't. Maybe genetics play part in that, maybe no. I don't know but I'm very sure that workout differences is the main cause.
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For muscle definition
Let's just say today is Biceps, Back and Abs day
8-10 reps, 4 sets per exercise
Do i do it Biceps, Back, Abs, Biceps, Back, Abs, Biceps, Back, Abs OR Biceps Biceps Biceps, Back Back Back, Abs Abs Abs?
Total exercise per session = 9
Thanks!

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I have a question but before that, this is what I know.

To gain mass, we need to have calorie surplus.
To lose weight, we need to have calorie deficit.
We cannot gain mass without adding a little bit of fat.
Low calorie deficit burn fat, extreme calorie deficit burn fat + muscle.

My question is:
Why do I lose my hard earn muscle although I do gain fat?

These are some info:
1. Been taking fat burner for 4 weeks and managed to lose 6 kg of fats.
2. During my 4 weeks cutting phase, I'm on low-carb and low-calorie diet.
3. Stopped taking the fat burner for a week (6/4 - 13/4).
4. During that one week, I only managed to workout once on 9/4.
5. During that one week, I didn't controlled my diet. I ate fast foods, potatoes, a bit of rice, mee hoon, kuey teow (have some calorie surplus every day).
6. On 6/4, my weight was 95.1kg and I have 33.5 kg of muscle mass, 35.9 kg of fat and fat free mass of 59.2 kg.
7. On 13/4, my weight was 93.8 kg and I have 32.4 kg of muscle mass, 36.7 kg of fat and fat free mass of 57.1 kg.
8. Total weight loss = 1.3 kg, total muscle mass loss = 1.1 kg, total fat gain = 0.8 kg, total fat free mass loss = 2.1 kg.



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QUOTE(gannicholas @ Apr 16 2012, 03:03 AM)
For muscle definition
Let's just say today is Biceps, Back and Abs day
8-10 reps, 4 sets per exercise
Do i do it Biceps, Back, Abs, Biceps, Back, Abs, Biceps, Back, Abs OR Biceps Biceps Biceps, Back Back Back, Abs Abs Abs?
Total exercise per session = 9
Thanks!
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type 1
bicep,back abs
you will feel hard to do back once your bicep is fired up

type 2
back bicep abs is better
P/S newbie cant do this as their bicep is not well conditioned after it is being used at back workout, well, you try first, if you cant do bicep workout after back, then shift to back tricep

type 3
back,bicep,back bicep
this hit the bicep hard... you can cheat a bit.. e.g. bicep curl, lat pull down, precher curl, then can do back flyer(where usage of bicep is minimal), then back to concentration curl

in the nutshell there is no right or wrong, just how you strategy and hit your muscle

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QUOTE(Awakened_Angel @ Apr 16 2012, 10:45 AM)
type 1
bicep,back abs
you will feel hard to do back once your bicep is fired up

type 2
back bicep abs is better
P/S newbie cant do this as their bicep is not well conditioned after it is being used at back workout, well, you try first, if you cant do bicep workout after back, then shift to back tricep

in the nutshell there is no right or wrong, just how you strategy and hit your muscle
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I always to back, biceps and abs
Chest, triceps and shoulders smile.gif
What is the best advice you'd give me for muscle definition?

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QUOTE(gannicholas @ Apr 16 2012, 12:09 PM)
I always to back, biceps and abs
Chest, triceps and shoulders smile.gif
What is the best advice you'd give me for muscle definition?
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like many have said, for definition, it is to shed body fat to reveal its line and curve and pieces of it
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QUOTE(alien9 @ Apr 16 2012, 02:46 AM)
I have a question but before that, this is what I know.

To gain mass, we need to have calorie surplus.
To lose weight, we need to have calorie deficit.
We cannot gain mass without adding a little bit of fat.
Low calorie deficit burn fat, extreme calorie deficit burn fat + muscle.

My question is:
Why do I lose my hard earn muscle although I do gain fat?

These are some info:
1. Been taking fat burner for 4 weeks and managed to lose 6 kg of fats.
2. During my 4 weeks cutting phase, I'm on low-carb and low-calorie diet.
3. Stopped taking the fat burner for a week (6/4 - 13/4).
4. During that one week, I only managed to workout once on 9/4.
5. During that one week, I didn't controlled my diet. I ate fast foods, potatoes, a bit of rice, mee hoon, kuey teow (have some calorie surplus every day).
6. On 6/4, my weight was 95.1kg and I have 33.5 kg of muscle mass, 35.9 kg of fat and fat free mass of 59.2 kg.
7. On 13/4, my weight was 93.8 kg and I have 32.4 kg of muscle mass, 36.7 kg of fat and fat free mass of 57.1 kg.
8. Total weight loss = 1.3 kg, total muscle mass loss = 1.1 kg, total fat gain = 0.8 kg, total fat free mass loss = 2.1 kg.
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where did u get that calculation?and did u consume enough protein during that time?
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QUOTE(MIVECburuk @ Apr 16 2012, 12:56 PM)
where did u get that calculation?and did u consume enough protein during that time?
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All those muscle mass, fat mass info? My gym have an InBody machine. Yes, I do consume enough protein during the week albeit I didn't keep a record of what I ate.
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QUOTE(alien9 @ Apr 16 2012, 02:46 AM)
I have a question but before that, this is what I know.

To gain mass, we need to have calorie surplus.
To lose weight, we need to have calorie deficit.
We cannot gain mass without adding a little bit of fat.
Low calorie deficit burn fat, extreme calorie deficit burn fat + muscle.

My question is:
Why do I lose my hard earn muscle although I do gain fat?

These are some info:
1. Been taking fat burner for 4 weeks and managed to lose 6 kg of fats.
2. During my 4 weeks cutting phase, I'm on low-carb and low-calorie diet.
3. Stopped taking the fat burner for a week (6/4 - 13/4).
4. During that one week, I only managed to workout once on 9/4.
5. During that one week, I didn't controlled my diet. I ate fast foods, potatoes, a bit of rice, mee hoon, kuey teow (have some calorie surplus every day).
6. On 6/4, my weight was 95.1kg and I have 33.5 kg of muscle mass, 35.9 kg of fat and fat free mass of 59.2 kg.
7. On 13/4, my weight was 93.8 kg and I have 32.4 kg of muscle mass, 36.7 kg of fat and fat free mass of 57.1 kg.
8. Total weight loss = 1.3 kg, total muscle mass loss = 1.1 kg, total fat gain = 0.8 kg, total fat free mass loss = 2.1 kg.
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Gain weight too fast, most of it will be fats.

Lose weight too fast, you'll lose lean mass whistling.gif

And you should concentrate on losing weight. Seriously


QUOTE(alien9 @ Apr 16 2012, 01:04 PM)
All those muscle mass, fat mass info? My gym have an InBody machine. Yes, I do consume enough protein during the week albeit I didn't keep a record of what I ate.
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Problem right there. Unless you're as experienced as Darklight, you should keep track of what u eat.
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QUOTE(thelion4ever @ Apr 16 2012, 05:09 PM)
Gain weight too fast, most of it will be fats.

Lose weight too fast, you'll lose lean mass  whistling.gif

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Yes man, I do know about that but how come my fat mass increase while muscle mass decrease? Protein intake too low?


QUOTE(thelion4ever @ Apr 16 2012, 05:09 PM)
And you should concentrate on losing weight. Seriously
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Been living in 'fat' situations for 22 years and now I know that I need to trim all that fat away. This is my journey to become jacked and ripped. Haha
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Hey guys, imma beginner who is looking for a program to start with. So, I have been working out with a trainer for almost 2 months now (lost almost 6kg in weight) and my sessions are almost finished. So i was looking at 5x5 and westside but im worried about safety and form cos i'll be working out without a spotter. So i looked for programs involving more machines and stumbled upon this. What do you guys think about the program. My aim here is still to cut.

Source: bodybuilding.com

Monday - Chest, Biceps
Body Part Exercise Sets Reps Rest
Upper Pectorals Incline Press Machine 3 12, 8, 6 60-90 sec
Pectorals Smith Machine Flat Bench Press 3 12, 8, 6 60-90 sec
Pectorals Pec Fly Machine 3 12, 8, 6 60-90 sec
Biceps Bicep Curl Machine 3 12, 8, 6 60-90 sec
Biceps Preacher Curl Machine 3 12, 8, 6 60-90 sec

Tuesday - Back
Body Part Exercise Sets Reps Rest
Latissimus Dorsi Lat Pulldown 3 12, 8, 6 60-90 sec
Latissimus Dorsi Smith Machine Bent Over Row 3 12, 8, 6 60-90 sec
Latissimus Dorsi Compound Row Machine 3 12, 8, 6 60-90 sec
Lower Back Lower Back Extension Machine 3 15 60-90 sec

Wednesday - Rest Day

Thusday - Legs
Body Part Exercise Sets Reps Rest
Hamstrings Smith Machine Stiff-Legged Deadlift 3 15, 12, 8 60-90 sec
Hamstrings Seated Leg Curl 3 15, 12, 8 60-90 sec
Hamstrings Lying Leg Curl 3 15, 12, 8 60-90 sec
Quadriceps Leg Extension 3 15, 12, 8 60-90 sec
Quadriceps Incline Leg Press 3 15, 12, 8 60-90 sec
Quadriceps Smith Machine Squat 3 15, 12, 8 60-90 sec

Friday - Traps, Abs, Neck
Body Part Exercise Sets Reps Rest
Traps Smith Machine Upright Row 3 15, 12, 8 60-90 sec
Traps Deadlift/Shrug Machine 3 15, 12, 8 60-90 sec
Abs Machine Crunch 3 25 60-90 sec
Neck 4-Way Neck Machine 3 15 60-90 sec

Saturday - Shoulders, Triceps
Body Part Exercise Sets Reps Rest
Front Deltoids Smith Machine Shoulder Press 3 15, 12, 8 60-90 sec
Side Deltoids Seated Machine Lateral Raise 3 15, 12, 8 60-90 sec
Rear Deltoids Rear Delt Fly Machine 3 15, 12, 8 60-90 sec
Triceps Close-Grip Bench Press 3 15, 12, 8 60-90 sec
Triceps Triceps Extension Machine 3 15, 12, 8 60-90 sec

Sunday - Rest

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QUOTE(alien9 @ Apr 16 2012, 08:59 PM)
Yes man, I do know about that but how come my fat mass increase while muscle mass decrease? Protein intake too low?
Been living in 'fat' situations for 22 years and now I know that I need to trim all that fat away. This is my journey to become jacked and ripped. Haha
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You must be doing something wrong though I can't say what is wrong with ur diet or workouts.

LOw protein intake may be the cause.

How much protein are u taking now ?
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QUOTE(alien9 @ Apr 16 2012, 08:59 PM)
Yes man, I do know about that but how come my fat mass increase while muscle mass decrease? Protein intake too low?
Been living in 'fat' situations for 22 years and now I know that I need to trim all that fat away. This is my journey to become jacked and ripped. Haha
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Hey brother, figures as in ur body stats are just figures. Things can be wrong, mirror is always the better indicator.

But please be aware that you lose ur muscle and ur fat free mass which means it could be skeletal muscle, water or bone, but u gain fat.

So in this case, you need do check back your whole diet and even workout. Because it's not a correct situation when u try to lose fat but gained fat and go opposite losing ur fat free mass and muscle mass (losing bone mass is even worst than losing muscle mass).

Do not over rely on fat burner (I'm not sure how ur workout is) and do aware when it come to fat losing, ur body is smart enough, that u can depress or surpress it by using a lot fat burners but it will somehow counterback. And once you lose control then it gains more than what it lost.

It's not practical to lose 6kg in a month (exclude the biggest losers) and it's even much more harder when it come to 6kg of fat (how much total mass could you have lost then) in a month?

Fighting fat is a long journey, do not be too harsh to ur body.

Eat right,Work hard,rest well and be positive.


Added on April 17, 2012, 12:48 am
QUOTE(confusedkid @ Apr 16 2012, 09:45 PM)
Hey guys, imma beginner who is looking for a program to start with. So, I have been working out with a trainer for almost 2 months now (lost almost 6kg in weight) and my sessions are almost finished. So i was looking at 5x5 and westside but im worried about safety and form cos i'll be working out without a spotter. So i looked for programs involving more machines and stumbled upon this. What do you guys think about the program. My aim here is still to cut.

Source: bodybuilding.com

Monday - Chest, Biceps
Body Part        Exercise                                Sets  Reps Rest
Upper Pectorals Incline Press Machine                3 12, 8, 6 60-90 sec
Pectorals        Smith Machine Flat Bench Press 3 12, 8, 6 60-90 sec
Pectorals        Pec Fly Machine                        3 12, 8, 6 60-90 sec
Biceps        Bicep Curl Machine                3 12, 8, 6 60-90 sec
Biceps        Preacher Curl Machine        3 12, 8, 6 60-90 sec

Tuesday - Back
Body Part          Exercise                          Sets  Reps        Rest
Latissimus Dorsi Lat Pulldown                        3 12, 8, 6 60-90 sec
Latissimus Dorsi Smith Machine Bent Over Row 3 12, 8, 6 60-90 sec
Latissimus Dorsi Compound Row Machine        3 12, 8, 6 60-90 sec
Lower Back Lower Back Extension Machine 3 15        60-90 sec

Wednesday - Rest Day

Thusday - Legs
Body Part        Exercise                                        Sets  Reps  Rest
Hamstrings Smith Machine Stiff-Legged Deadlift 3 15, 12, 8 60-90 sec
Hamstrings Seated Leg Curl                            3 15, 12, 8 60-90 sec
Hamstrings Lying Leg Curl                              3 15, 12, 8 60-90 sec
Quadriceps Leg Extension                                3 15, 12, 8 60-90 sec
Quadriceps Incline Leg Press                        3 15, 12, 8 60-90 sec
Quadriceps Smith Machine Squat                    3 15, 12, 8 60-90 sec

Friday - Traps, Abs, Neck
Body Part Exercise                        Sets Reps  Rest
Traps Smith Machine Upright Row 3 15, 12, 8 60-90 sec
Traps Deadlift/Shrug Machine 3 15, 12, 8 60-90 sec
Abs        Machine Crunch                3 25        60-90 sec
Neck        4-Way Neck Machine        3 15        60-90 sec

Saturday - Shoulders, Triceps
Body Part          Exercise                                Sets  Reps Rest
Front Deltoids Smith Machine Shoulder Press 3 15, 12, 8 60-90 sec
Side Deltoids Seated Machine Lateral Raise 3 15, 12, 8 60-90 sec
Rear Deltoids Rear Delt Fly Machine            3 15, 12, 8 60-90 sec
Triceps        Close-Grip Bench Press        3 15, 12, 8 60-90 sec
Triceps        Triceps Extension Machine        3 15, 12, 8 60-90 sec

Sunday - Rest
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Some of these machines i dun even seen it before like machine crunch,4 way neck machine.

It may be danger of doing free weights, but same goes to machines, if u used it with wrong posture, u still get screw up.

Of course there are pros who do just machine and grow well like darklight.

I think this routine is good enough but u do can use these machines for a 5X5 (which is a concept of 5 sets of 5 reps and add more weights once u able to do a 5X5 for that particular weight.) thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(thelion4ever @ Apr 16 2012, 11:21 PM)
You must be doing something wrong though I can't say what is wrong with ur diet or workouts.

LOw protein intake may be the cause.

How much protein are u taking now ?
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Since I'm in low-carb low calorie diet, I'm taking 190g protein per day which is 1.5 X 126 (lean body mass in pound).

I think you are correct about my protein intake during that one week. maybe I'm having lower protein intake since I don't keep track my macro during that week (and Saturday and Sunday since it is my half cheat day for both days).

QUOTE(van_takawa @ Apr 17 2012, 12:39 AM)
Hey brother, figures as in ur body stats are just figures. Things can be wrong, mirror is always the better indicator.

But please be aware that you lose ur muscle and ur fat free mass which means it could be skeletal muscle, water or bone, but u gain fat.

So in this case, you need do check back your whole diet and even workout. Because it's not a correct situation when u try to lose fat but gained fat and go opposite losing ur fat free mass and muscle mass (losing bone mass is even worst than losing muscle mass).

Do not over rely on fat burner (I'm not sure how ur workout is) and do aware when it come to fat losing, ur body is smart enough, that u can depress or surpress it by using a lot fat burners but it will somehow counterback. And once you lose control then it gains more than what it lost.

It's not practical to lose 6kg in a month (exclude the biggest losers) and it's even much more harder when it come to 6kg of fat (how much total mass could you have lost then) in a month?

Fighting fat is a long journey, do not be too harsh to ur body.

Eat right,Work hard,rest well and be positive.

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Thanks for the kind words man. I've been experimenting on how to lose my fat and yes, I don't want to be relying on the fat burner to lose my fat. After I finished my fat burner, I'm gonna try another method called EC Stack. Experimenting as I have a family background of obesity (my sister is obese, siblings etc) and I do want to help them.

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QUOTE(confusedkid @ Apr 16 2012, 09:45 PM)
Hey guys, imma beginner who is looking for a program to start with. So, I have been working out with a trainer for almost 2 months now (lost almost 6kg in weight) and my sessions are almost finished. So i was looking at 5x5 and westside but im worried about safety and form cos i'll be working out without a spotter. So i looked for programs involving more machines and stumbled upon this. What do you guys think about the program. My aim here is still to cut.
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why not just continue doing the routine that u did with your trainer since it worked so well. 5x5 programs are great for beginners, u wont need a spotter if u start light and practice good form.
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QUOTE(confusedkid @ Apr 16 2012, 10:45 PM)
Hey guys, imma beginner who is looking for a program to start with. So, I have been working out with a trainer for almost 2 months now (lost almost 6kg in weight) and my sessions are almost finished. So i was looking at 5x5 and westside but im worried about safety and form cos i'll be working out without a spotter. So i looked for programs involving more machines and stumbled upon this. What do you guys think about the program. My aim here is still to cut.
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try smith machine....

I was training alone once, try 5x5 with heavy loads on bench press.... on fifth set, I told myself, lets go to 6,7 or maybe 8reps lastly just to blast

guess what? on 7th rep half way, my muscle fails and the barbell just drops like hell... luckily I was able to hook on just merely it hit my chest.... rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(van_takawa @ Apr 17 2012, 12:39 AM)


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Some of these machines i dun even seen it before like machine crunch,4 way neck machine.

It may be danger of doing free weights, but same goes to machines, if u used it with wrong posture, u still get screw up.

Of course there are pros who do just machine and grow well like darklight.

I think this routine is good enough but u do can use these machines for a 5X5 (which is a concept of 5 sets of 5 reps and add more weights once u able to do a 5X5 for that particular weight.)  thumbup.gif
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yea but if i screw up a bench press, then thats the end of me laugh.gif , to some extent im also worried about squats.

and what do u mean by using these machines for a 5x5? Issit increasing the weight to an amount where i can only do 5 reps per exercise? And how would that eb superior compared to this programs no. of sets and reps (3 x 15/12/8).

QUOTE(MIVECburuk @ Apr 17 2012, 07:49 AM)
why not just continue doing the routine that u did with your trainer since it worked so well. 5x5 programs are great for beginners, u wont need a spotter if u start light and practice good form.
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Err im not so sure but i dun think there is a set routine with him rclxub.gif he kinda goes with whats available for the part of body he wants me to workout.

And if i was to do a 5x5, shouldnt i be using heavier weights? Wouldnt going light slow my progress by alot?


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QUOTE(Awakened_Angel @ Apr 17 2012, 08:49 AM)
try smith machine....

I was training alone once, try 5x5 with heavy loads on bench press.... on fifth set, I told myself, lets go to 6,7 or maybe 8reps lastly just to blast

guess what? on 7th rep half way, my muscle fails and the barbell just drops like hell... luckily I was able to hook on just merely it hit my chest....  rclxub.gif
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Thats what im scared of haha...but with the smith machine, its still a machine right laugh.gif cos u dont need to balance the barbell by yourself. Isnt it much easier compared to bench presses with the barbell?

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QUOTE(confusedkid @ Apr 17 2012, 09:53 AM)
Thats what im scared of haha...but with the smith machine, its still a machine right  laugh.gif cos u dont need to balance the barbell by yourself. Isnt it much easier compared to bench presses with the barbell?
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try get the middle point, align your body and its alright...

all my squat, bench press etc is done one smith machine as I am training alone...
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Since van_takawa said its a good routine, would it be better to start off with the program i mentioned earlier and slowly try to replace most machine workouts with free weight thumbup.gif ?

Maybe i can start off by replacing Smith Machine Flat Bench Press with a db flat bench press and doing regular squats (with lighter weight).

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QUOTE(confusedkid @ Apr 17 2012, 08:53 AM)
yea but if i screw up a bench press, then thats the end of me  laugh.gif , to some extent im also worried about squats.

and what do u mean by using these machines for a 5x5? Issit increasing the weight to an amount where i can only do 5 reps per exercise? And how would that eb superior compared to this programs no. of sets and reps (3 x 15/12/8).
Err im not so sure but i dun think there is a set routine with him rclxub.gif he kinda goes with whats available for the part of body he wants me to workout.

And if i was to do a 5x5, shouldnt i be using heavier weights? Wouldnt going light slow my progress by alot?


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Thats what im scared of haha...but with the smith machine, its still a machine right  laugh.gif cos u dont need to balance the barbell by yourself. Isnt it much easier compared to bench presses with the barbell?
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3X15/12/8 and 5X5 are the concept of reps and sets. It just a matter of choice of weight. Some choose the 80% of ur max 20reps weight some choose 60%. It's up to u to choose. Basically a 5X5, means u do a 5 reps per exercise for 5 sets with the amount of weight u can just do around 20 reps.When u can do a 5X5 for the weight add in more weights. 5X5 isn't new, it's an old school but until today still proven working for increasing strength and of course mass.

However, bodybuilding isn't abt a fixed formula, after all, variation will be important to avoid pleateau. 3X15/12/8 is good too, as long as u r able to play wif the weight and rest time,gains should be just a matter of time.
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QUOTE(alien9 @ Apr 16 2012, 02:46 AM)
I have a question but before that, this is what I know.

To gain mass, we need to have calorie surplus.
To lose weight, we need to have calorie deficit.
We cannot gain mass without adding a little bit of fat.
Low calorie deficit burn fat, extreme calorie deficit burn fat + muscle.

My question is:
Why do I lose my hard earn muscle although I do gain fat?

These are some info:
1. Been taking fat burner for 4 weeks and managed to lose 6 kg of fats.
2. During my 4 weeks cutting phase, I'm on low-carb and low-calorie diet.
3. Stopped taking the fat burner for a week (6/4 - 13/4).
4. During that one week, I only managed to workout once on 9/4.
5. During that one week, I didn't controlled my diet. I ate fast foods, potatoes, a bit of rice, mee hoon, kuey teow (have some calorie surplus every day).
6. On 6/4, my weight was 95.1kg and I have 33.5 kg of muscle mass, 35.9 kg of fat and fat free mass of 59.2 kg.
7. On 13/4, my weight was 93.8 kg and I have 32.4 kg of muscle mass, 36.7 kg of fat and fat free mass of 57.1 kg.
8. Total weight loss = 1.3 kg, total muscle mass loss = 1.1 kg, total fat gain = 0.8 kg, total fat free mass loss = 2.1 kg.
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My man, chill out... quit relying on those fancy machines that ur gym carries. seriously at ur stage u really need not to be so meticulous bout such details... set a goal that's not too hard to reach. once ur're close to ur goal, give urself a treat and set a new goal. progress is a slow process if quality is a concern... quit using the machines. and seriously dont take everythin the PT says for a fact. (MOST) of them are idiots...
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QUOTE(moe81 @ Apr 17 2012, 01:03 PM)
quit using the machines. and seriously dont take everythin the PT says for a fact. (MOST) of them are idiots...
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LOL Bro, biggrin.gif

Sama sama cari makan lahh..... they bullshit a bit to make themselve looks pro to the newbies....
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Eh.. WTA, weight gain+fat burner can stack?
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QUOTE(Zeekgreymon @ Apr 17 2012, 01:17 PM)
Eh.. WTA, weight gain+fat burner can stack?
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Sure!
But why would you?
Do you accelerate and brake at the same time?
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QUOTE(pedro @ Apr 17 2012, 01:28 PM)
Sure!
But why would you?
Do you accelerate and brake at the same time?
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hmm, it's funny.. but yet, u do that when u drift... now, is he really drifting? had he acquired the skills to drift? yet...
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QUOTE(confusedkid @ Apr 17 2012, 10:34 AM)
Since van_takawa said its a good routine, would it be better to start off with the program i mentioned earlier and slowly try to replace most machine workouts with free weight  thumbup.gif ?

Maybe i can start off by replacing Smith Machine Flat Bench Press with a db flat bench press and doing regular squats (with lighter weight).
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I do think it's a good idea to shuffle up free weights and machine. Because both of them are good, y sacrifice one when you can have them all?

Just work out. You will know whether it works or not, ur body if not people around u will tell u.


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QUOTE(pedro @ Apr 17 2012, 01:28 PM)
Sure!
But why would you?
Do you accelerate and brake at the same time?
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not at the same time actually, But most people told me whey + fat burner better. so nw im confused hmm.gif hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Zeekgreymon @ Apr 17 2012, 02:23 PM)
not at the same time actually, But most people told me whey + fat burner better. so nw im confused  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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firstly, what is your goal? to bulk up or to lose weight?
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QUOTE(MIVECburuk @ Apr 17 2012, 02:30 PM)
firstly, what is your goal? to bulk up or to lose weight?
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Goal is to get a lean body. Wnt to dcrease my fat % . Currently is 14% i think..
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QUOTE(moe81 @ Apr 17 2012, 12:03 PM)
My man, chill out... quit relying on those fancy machines that ur gym carries. seriously at ur stage u really need not to be so meticulous bout such details... set a goal that's not too hard to reach. once ur're close to ur goal, give urself a treat and set a new goal. progress is a slow process if quality is a concern... quit using the machines. and seriously dont take everythin the PT says for a fact. (MOST) of them are idiots...
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Man, I've been chilling out for almost 8 months and just started seriously on March 2012. Just focused on training and training until one day I realized that I need to be more serious in order to achieve my goal.

Right now, my current goal is to get to 80 kg (from 100kg) at the end of this year without losing my hard earn muscle and I just want to get rid of the fat so I do need to keep track all my muscle mass, body fat mass, etc2 and start counting my macro-nutrition in order to achieve my goal no?

If you do wondering what my workout is, I've started my weightlifting with SL 5x5 and currently I've modified SL a bit, dishing out OHP and add dips, chin up, front lateral raise, rear lateral raise, side lateral raise.

I do want to achieve my goal as much as anyone else and I've found out that it would be very hard to lose fat if I don't do what I did.


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QUOTE(alien9 @ Apr 17 2012, 05:35 PM)
Man, I've been chilling out for almost 8 months and just started seriously on March 2012. Just focused on training and training until one day I realized that I need to be more serious in order to achieve my goal.

Right now, my current goal is to get to 80 kg (from 100kg) at the end of this year without losing my hard earn muscle and I just want to get rid of the fat so I do need to keep track all my muscle mass, body fat mass, etc2 and start counting my macro-nutrition in order to achieve my goal no?

If you do wondering what my workout is, I've started my weightlifting with SL 5x5 and currently I've modified SL a bit, dishing out OHP and add dips, chin up, front lateral raise, rear lateral raise, side lateral raise.

I do want to achieve my goal as much as anyone else and I've found  out that it would be very hard to lose fat if I don't do what I did.
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Hey bro, I came all the way from 96kg to 75kg in one and a half YEAR.(75kg is recorded last november) (the last 8kg in the last 6 months which due to an injury and lack of exercise). I've been overweight for probably 19 years and I changed last year by working out and mostly changing lifestyle in term of diet and more active lifestyle.

The fat % is cut from 35% to 22%, and yes I do lost muscle mass. And from november onwards, I'm back to training and eat more without supplements. I achieved 78kg with still 22 of fat on february. And from february onwards, I started to take supplement, Myofusion Probiotic, Multivitamin and Creatine. And April, I'm now 81kg with 21% of fat.

Yes, i'm still a fat boy but compare to last 2 years, I looks way slimmer.

And compare to the 81kg last august and 81kg now, my waist line is like 35" vs 33".

It's always hard to lose fat, but I did lose fat but together with some muscle mass which I think it's worth.

With my 96kg, there's no way I can do a chin up or even dip, even suffered with 20 pushups. And all I can do is use my strength to lift weights, to do cardio, a lot brisk walking in school and during work on the holidays. And diet change is like no mcd and kfc, if I reli want to have fast food, I goes to subway and burger king, customised with no sauce and more veggies. I dun drink gas drink, packet drink,no alcohol and not even isotonic drink. All my beverages is H20 or Chinese tea. But I still eat all the food cook by my mum, ordinary chinese's food, fried food, meats, soup and veggies. What I do is cut down the rice and "volume" of my meal. And when I have my own meal outside, I go for small meals, spend more of course but I think it's worth.

But last year when I enter U, which lead me to a very hectic life with societies, academic and at the same time sports competition like basketball, futsal and even my first ever Rugby experience. I lost 8kg in that semester.For the first time I saw that "middle divider of abs" the arms' curvelines. And I eat like a cow in Uni because I'm way too tired but I still lose weight and look better.

That's the time I started to eat more and less restrict but prefer protein intake than carbs intake,carbs intake than fat intake.

We all want to look as good as we want, but it's really a matter of time. If u had been stacking and storing for fats for 10 years, U will be glad if u shred them off 5 years (which is half-life), and if it's 20 years, give urself a time frame of 5 years to be fit.

I feel happy for my change and I feel even happier and satisfy when I see my family learn to eat more healthy and be more active. When I see my friends who start to hit the gym and asking me how and try to learn, I feel that I influence them just like how the big bros around the world and of course in this forum influence others.

Just keep working.



This is what motivated me when I gave up. A Taiwanese from 25% fat reduced to 7% male in just 10 months and crowned his Mr University. (Extreme case though)

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Thanks for sharing your experience in the journey towards fat loss. Your's motivated me to lose my fat further. So, this is my story.

It all started when I graduated for my diploma. Went to the convocation for my scroll and I saw myself in the picture, the biggest size of myself and I cannot bear the looks. When I've first started weightlifting, my weight was 100kg and for 8 months it stayed that way but I do notice the changes in my body. Although my waist line didn't reduce, I do feel more muscular and more energetic. But while still being haunted with the fattest image of myself, I vow to graduate with better physique.

Right now, my weight is 93 kg but I'm happy as I can wear all my shirt that I used to wear during my diploma's year. But I cannot stop here. I have another shirt where I really wanted to wear which is L size Barcelona Home Kit Season 2010/2011 by the end of this year. Maybe my goal isn't big as everyone else but a goal is a goal and I'll do anything to achieve that.
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QUOTE(alien9 @ Apr 17 2012, 11:32 PM)
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Thanks for sharing your experience in the journey towards fat loss. Your's motivated me to lose my fat further. So, this is my story.

It all started when I graduated for my diploma. Went to the convocation for my scroll and I saw myself in the picture, the biggest size of myself and I cannot bear the looks. When I've first started weightlifting, my weight was 100kg and for 8 months it stayed that way but I do notice the changes in my body. Although my waist line didn't reduce, I do feel more muscular and more energetic. But while still being haunted with the fattest image of myself, I vow to graduate with better physique.

Right now, my weight is 93 kg but I'm happy as I can wear all my shirt that I used to wear during my diploma's year. But I cannot stop here. I have another shirt where I really wanted to wear which is L size Barcelona Home Kit Season 2010/2011 by the end of this year. Maybe my goal isn't big as everyone else but a goal is a goal and I'll do anything to achieve that.
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Be happy working out and control your diet, besides monitoring calories, balancing the macros... Eat more veggie and fruit. I myself do think it's better to live healthier rather than live bigger or fitter. The later part will come when the first part achieved.
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Hi guys, let's share our favorite arms exercises biggrin.gif

For mine,

Triceps:
Skullcrushers
Cable rope pushdown
Dips
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Biceps:
21 EZ-bar curl
Concentration curl
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post Apr 18 2012, 10:08 AM

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Favourite Arm Exercise
Bicep only
Zottman Curl super set with Static Arm Curl with Hammer Curl
Full sulpination concentration curl superset with concentration curl

Tricep Only
Tricep kickback super set with skull crushers
Tris overhead extension

Arms+ Shoulder
Deep Swimmer Press
Scarecrows
Shoulder Fly+Row+Presses

All can be performed by a dumbbell. Learned from P90X.
The burn on the arms made me sweat like I'm squatting 50kg.


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i usually will perform superset for arms

close grip bench, barbell curl
tricep pushdown, db curl
skull crusher, ez bar curl
seated tricep press, cable curl

3 sets each, 8-12 reps..

sometimes i do train tricep after chest workout
seated easy bar extension superset with one arm tricep kickback
tricep pushdown n rope pushdown

back & bicep
bb curl, hammer curl, ez bar curl, cable curl

I'll switch around the workout when get used to it so wont be boring smile.gif
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guys,

i need some advise, i just recently re-join a gym after 3 years i left for studies. here are my physical attributes :

height : 165cm
weight : 75.5kg

currently, i have bigger lower body parts(thighs, calves, glutes and of course my belly area!) my target is to minimize or get smaller in these areas and the exercises that i'm doing right now at the gym are :

1) 15-30 minutes of stationary bike cardio.
2) 3x10x3kg lunges
3) 3x10x0kg olympic bar squats
4) 3x10x20kg machine shoulder press
5) 3x10x10kg bicep curl

i don't want to grow more muscle on my lower body, just to cut the measurement and have more power and endurance for running as well as futsal. mind sharing any of your advice or experience?
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Time to get some serious advice from all the Sifus here .

Intro abit.
Last time was around 95kg then lost till 88kg . After a whille slacking back till 100kg then lost till 90 kg. Now slacking till near to 110kg already cry.gif

Current Weight = 110kg
Height = Last measure is around 175cm+

Should I be focusing on cardio or weights ? Beside fixing the diet part.

If weights should I be doing less and carry more weight OR more rep but less weight ?

Please shed some tips / advice icon_question.gif icon_question.gif
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QUOTE(ghoss @ Apr 18 2012, 01:27 PM)
Time to get some serious advice from all the Sifus here .

Intro abit.
Last time was around 95kg then lost till 88kg . After a whille slacking back till 100kg then lost till 90 kg. Now slacking till near to 110kg already  cry.gif

Current Weight = 110kg
Height = Last measure is around 175cm+

Should I be focusing on cardio or weights ? Beside fixing the diet part.

If weights should I be doing less and carry more weight OR more rep but less weight ?

Please shed some tips / advice  icon_question.gif  icon_question.gif
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WOW... you are same height as me but almost twice as heavy as me....

my humble advice

keep the weight.. do normal 15 x 3 can already, then CONSISTENLY do cardio, and have CLEAN DIET...

and do it consistenly(exercise + diet).. many follow till one point then back to slack routine, then weight increase, then feel guilty, then workout & eat clean diet for say 2month then back to slacking

P/S when I mention the word DIET to my friends, they instantly think I am not eating. diet is a food programme, you calculate your intake and body consumptions... not simply tak mau makan apa apa
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QUOTE(Awakened_Angel @ Apr 18 2012, 01:47 PM)
WOW... you are same height as me but almost twice as heavy as me....

my humble advice

keep the weight.. do normal 15 x 3 can already, then CONSISTENLY do cardio, and have CLEAN DIET...

and do it consistenly(exercise + diet).. many follow till one point then back to slack routine, then weight increase, then feel guilty, then workout & eat clean diet for say 2month then back to slacking

P/S when I mention the word DIET to my friends, they instantly think I am not eating. diet is a food programme, you calculate your intake and body consumptions... not simply tak mau makan apa apa
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Thanks man , So best to do less rep and more heavy ?

Monday , I did easy weight but lots of rep , only this morning can feel the sore , yesterday was fine .

My ideal weight is around 75-80kg
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there`s this dude I saw in gym, into the threadmill walking for an hour to sweat, then take a 5kg dumbell train from delt to calf in one day. all one weight(light-5kg only) and do this once a week.. and eat what he feels like... guess what? he looks the same till now .... 130kg at 170cm


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QUOTE(ghoss @ Apr 18 2012, 02:49 PM)
Thanks man , So best to do less rep and more heavy ?

Monday , I did easy weight but lots of rep , only this morning can feel the sore , yesterday was fine .

My ideal weight is around 75-80kg
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your goal is to loose weight and bodyfat, so cardio and clean diet is more important than weight training for your case, nonetheless, ditching the weight training is not a good idea.

here`s few plans from the pros

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/find-a-pla...-2039-male.html

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Now my arms are sore till can't straighten it sweat.gif

Nowdays I think I should reduce the abs workout , as if you don't feel so tired /pain , you won't find an excuse not going to workout tongue.gif
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QUOTE(ghoss @ Apr 18 2012, 02:59 PM)
Nowdays I think I should reduce the abs workout , as if you don't feel so tired /pain , you won't find an excuse not going to workout tongue.gif
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no.. go 100% on all if you want to do weight, dont say< I want big chest, I do 3 chest exercise, I want small arm, I do 1bicep and tricep only... if this is the case, u are still where you were

spot reduction is a myth, yes but to a point if you do not include cardio

e.g. you cant burn the belly by doing 1000rep of sit up a day, but can increase the rate of belly burning if you incorporate cardio & HIIT plus sit up

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^ yea

What I mean was for the abs don't do too bad but ok for the other parts of the body.

Actually plan to go this morning but hand is too sore , so plan to do cardio tonight or some leg excercise.

I used to jog / HIIT runs , but after putting up weight I can't do it without feeling pain in the knees . So now have to resort to brisk walking sad.gif
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QUOTE(ghoss @ Apr 18 2012, 03:10 PM)
^ yea

What I mean was for the abs don't do too bad but ok for the other parts of the body.

Actually plan to go this morning but hand is too sore , so plan to do cardio tonight or some leg excercise.

I used to jog / HIIT runs , but after putting up weight I can't do it without feeling pain in the knees . So now have to resort to brisk walking sad.gif
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for my POV, like chinese saying

one, no do, two, no stop

if you want to do, do the max for all body part...

you will feel accomplish when you hit your set far goal and exceeded it
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Hey guys, i have a question.

After a deadlift exercise, do any of you feel some kind of soreness at your back? NOT pain or sharp pain..just one kind of soreness at your middle back bone area.

After rest for an hour, soreness is gone.

Really want to know what does that mean.

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QUOTE(Dagger69 @ Apr 18 2012, 10:13 PM)
Hey guys, i have a question.

After a deadlift exercise, do any of you feel some kind of soreness at your back? NOT pain or sharp pain..just one kind of soreness at your middle back bone area.

After rest for an hour, soreness is gone.

Really want to know what does that mean.
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HMm, interesting.

Right after the deadlift exercise ?

Soreness usually comes after a day for me.

Maybe its because of earlier workouts ?
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QUOTE(thelion4ever @ Apr 18 2012, 10:34 PM)
HMm, interesting.

Right after the deadlift exercise ?

Soreness usually comes after a day for me.

Maybe its because of earlier workouts ?
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After a couple of sets then i feel it. Everytime i do deadlift workout. Ohh btw, i do squats first..after other exercises i will arrive to deadlift.

I'm thinking its because i tried tooooo much in straightening my back/torso while doing, to prevent my back from bending forward due to the heavy lift.

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post Apr 19 2012, 04:56 PM

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hey guys i am 168cm and around 62 kg and maybe around 18% body fat

should i continue to cut or should i start bodybuilding?
(i am new at this and i was thinking of starting the "starting strength workout")
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u always been 18% or u cut to 18%. For me, i will cut until about 12%, then bulk clean. but if you relly not much muscle, maybe can start bulk clean at 18%
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post Apr 19 2012, 06:07 PM

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QUOTE(kurtkob78 @ Apr 19 2012, 05:55 PM)
u always been 18% or u cut to 18%. For me, i will cut until about 12%, then bulk clean. but if you relly not much muscle, maybe can start bulk clean at 18%
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i used to be like 83 then drop to this.. like 2 years ago then i just jog a few times a week for 20 mins and push ups.. i think i manage till 40 last time now till 30 only
and i do some weight lifting at home. not proper just some squats, bench press, curls thats about it

maybe i will get a picture up to clarify
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if that's the case, then you should start clean bulking since you have drop alot of fat. The extra muscle will help you burn more calories
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QUOTE(kurtkob78 @ Apr 19 2012, 06:11 PM)
if that's the case, then you should start clean bulking since you have drop alot of fat. The extra muscle will help you burn more calories
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just to clarify clean bulk is continuing normal food intake with cardio 2-3 times per week 20 minutes each time

or

lower calorie intake with cardio 2-3 times per week 20 minutes each time

or am i getting clean bulk wrong?
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QUOTE(Narako @ Apr 19 2012, 04:56 PM)
hey guys i am 168cm and around 62 kg and maybe around 18% body fat

should i continue to cut or should i start bodybuilding?
(i am new at this and i was thinking of starting the "starting strength workout")
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From my opinion, I would just start strength training. Why? During early stages of strength training, you can increase your muscle mass whilst lowering body fat. That's what I've read, that's what you can read from Stronglifts 5x5 and that's what happened to me. Then, if you lots of muscle, you will have higher metabolism thus making your cutting phase easier.



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QUOTE(Narako @ Apr 19 2012, 06:56 PM)
just to clarify clean bulk is continuing normal food intake with cardio 2-3 times per week 20 minutes each time

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lower calorie intake with cardio 2-3 times per week 20 minutes each time

or am i getting clean bulk wrong?
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i heard that leangains is a good method, but i don't think i can swallow lots of food in a short time cry.gif

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QUOTE(adix4 @ Apr 20 2012, 12:26 PM)
starting June ( 1st of June ) till September i got holiday liao

trying to do body recomposition

i heard that leangains is a good method, but i don't think i can swallow lots of food in a short time cry.gif

Oh yeah thinking of switching to WS4B or 5/3/1. Any good advice? I find 5/3/1 is painfully slow to do. Any good Strength + Bodybuilding that requires 4 days split routine that you can suggest?
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from the way you write, its like "i wanna use the best way/method out there, but i dont want to comply to the method 100% because im lazy"

if you wanna do a diet method or a workout programme, THEN DO IT. whats the problem here? what, you cant swallow your daily caloric maintenance in 8 hours? leangains does not specify how many meals you need to take per day, just the time window.

You want strength? do 3-6 reps.

You want hypertrophy? do 6-10 reps.

workout programmes are merely guidelines, you dont have to follow a specific one just to grow. Heck, most of us are on our own splits and we're doing just fine. So long as you're adding weight to your lifts i dont see how you cant progress, regardless of programme.
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QUOTE(mikehuan @ Apr 20 2012, 12:36 PM)
from the way you write, its like "i wanna use the best way/method out there, but i dont want to comply to the method 100% because im lazy"

if you wanna do a diet method or a workout programme, THEN DO IT. whats the problem here? what, you cant swallow your daily caloric maintenance in 8 hours? leangains does not specify how many meals you need to take per day, just the time window.

You want strength? do 3-6 reps.

You want hypertrophy? do 6-10 reps.

workout programmes are merely guidelines, you dont have to follow a specific one just to grow. Heck, most of us are on our own splits and we're doing just fine. So long as you're adding weight to your lifts i dont see how you cant progress, regardless of programme.
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QUOTE(Neek @ Apr 20 2012, 01:30 PM)
Might not be the right thread to post...
But i just saw Darklight in CLEO's Most eligible Bachelors. w00t.
Some of my colleagues were asking me "Does he takes steroids? He's so Big!" Lol
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QUOTE(Neek @ Apr 20 2012, 01:30 PM)
Might not be the right thread to post...
But i just saw Darklight in CLEO's Most eligible Bachelors. w00t.
Some of my colleagues were asking me "Does he takes steroids? He's so Big!" Lol
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He used to be alot bigger few years ago. Now he's insanely shredded
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How often do you guys hit the gym a week? Is 3-4 times okay?
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QUOTE(shueking @ Apr 20 2012, 02:50 PM)
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3-4 is good enough!
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What's the takeaway in asking this? It all depends on how you feel. Sometimes you can train whole week without adverse effects. Sometimes, twice a week shall suffice.

As for me, I train at least 4 times a week.
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QUOTE(adix4 @ Apr 20 2012, 11:26 AM)
starting June ( 1st of June ) till September i got holiday liao

trying to do body recomposition

i heard that leangains is a good method, but i don't think i can swallow lots of food in a short time cry.gif

Oh yeah thinking of switching to WS4B or 5/3/1. Any good advice? I find 5/3/1 is painfully slow to do. Any good Strength + Bodybuilding that requires 4 days split routine that you can suggest?
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Just pick one and do. I'd take WS4B if i was pressed for time. Thankfully work is kinda under control so 5/3/1 is my choice.

And yes , it is meant to be slow. No , i can't bench 200kg like you tongue.gif , but progress is always better than stagnation. I'm coming off a shoulder injury and 5/3/1 gives me the flexibility to add in some scap and shoulder rehab work.

Dunno 'bout body recomp tho. Leangains seems like something you can try during your fasting month i think.
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QUOTE(adix4 @ Apr 20 2012, 12:26 PM)
starting June ( 1st of June ) till September i got holiday liao

trying to do body recomposition

i heard that leangains is a good method, but i don't think i can swallow lots of food in a short time cry.gif

Oh yeah thinking of switching to WS4B or 5/3/1. Any good advice? I find 5/3/1 is painfully slow to do. Any good Strength + Bodybuilding that requires 4 days split routine that you can suggest?
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Just choose one and do the damn routine. Then maybe, just maybe, you'll finally be able to bench what you claim for real.
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Just choose one and do the damn routine. Then maybe, just maybe, you'll finally be able to bench what you claim for real.
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i'm still on the road to 2x BW bench bro, no worries, when the time comes i will show notworthy.gif

my approx 1RM is now 90KG.

Anyways i used to do 5/3/1 before going back to begginers routine because i don't feel that i am on plateau yet.
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QUOTE(adix4 @ Apr 20 2012, 09:17 PM)
i'm still on the road to 2x BW bench bro, no worries, when the time comes i will show  notworthy.gif

my approx 1RM is now 90KG.

Anyways i used to do 5/3/1 before going back to begginers routine because i don't feel that i am on plateau yet.
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oh shit. i was so excited to see your 2xBW bench press vid till i jizz in my pants. then i just realised that this is just another BS.
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QUOTE(adix4 @ Apr 20 2012, 09:17 PM)
i'm still on the road to 2x BW bench bro, no worries, when the time comes i will show  notworthy.gif

my approx 1RM is now 90KG.

Anyways i used to do 5/3/1 before going back to begginers routine because i don't feel that i am on plateau yet.
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oh my, don't claim it before you could do it man, you're just getting us excited. Just like a woman appearance till you open up and you're actually a man.. blehh
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QUOTE(adix4 @ Apr 20 2012, 09:17 PM)
i'm still on the road to 2x BW bench bro, no worries, when the time comes i will show  notworthy.gif

my approx 1RM is now 90KG.

Anyways i used to do 5/3/1 before going back to begginers routine because i don't feel that i am on plateau yet.
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What logic do you use here? Used to do 5/3/1 and wanted to go back to beginner's routine because you are not plateau yet? Damn, I cannot brain any single word in your statement. What beginner's routine do you want that is better that 5/3/1? 5lbs pink dumbbell exercise? Your usage of the word plateau somehow makes me think that you didn't even know what the meaning of it. Just throw it around to make you look smart to other people.

Yeah, I'm not there when you said to other people that you can bench 2xBW but if you claim that you are currently benching 90kg for 1RM but you've said that you already managed to bench 2xBW, I suggests that you throw your ego as far as you can before it starting to injured you; it does already injured your pride thou.
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Hi guys I'm going on a cut cycle and I want to do fasted cardio in the morning, but I also want to put my cardio after my weights session and I don't think I have enough energy for weights if I'm hungry, so should I do cardio in the morning and weights in the evening or if there is no significant advantage of doing fasted cardio then i will just put it after my weights session in the evening. thank you smile.gif
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QUOTE(alien9 @ Apr 20 2012, 06:05 PM)
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I did SL 5X5 too but stopped after i finished the 12th week. Started to do 3 days split then. Even when I'm doing split workouts, I increase my lift 2.5kg in each workout.

I did add some extra workouts. Some chest exercises in Workout A(BB bench press day), some shoulder exercises in Workout B(OHP day).
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QUOTE(KingArthurVI @ Apr 23 2012, 09:40 AM)
Hi guys I'm going on a cut cycle and I want to do fasted cardio in the morning, but I also want to put my cardio after my weights session and I don't think I have enough energy for weights if I'm hungry, so should I do cardio in the morning and weights in the evening or if there is no significant advantage of doing fasted cardio then i will just put it after my weights session in the evening. thank you smile.gif
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So much mental masturbation. Pick a time that is convenient for you and do the cardio. There is nothing special about fasted cardio. You don't even need to do it if provided that you are not lifting like a p***y and your macros are on point.

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QUOTE(KingArthurVI @ Apr 23 2012, 09:40 AM)
Hi guys I'm going on a cut cycle and I want to do fasted cardio in the morning, but I also want to put my cardio after my weights session and I don't think I have enough energy for weights if I'm hungry, so should I do cardio in the morning and weights in the evening or if there is no significant advantage of doing fasted cardio then i will just put it after my weights session in the evening. thank you smile.gif
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nvr try any fasted cardio before..

I add in 10-20 minutes cardio after weight session and thats only once or twice a week.. Too tired after weight smile.gif

diet still major role hehe..
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QUOTE(elvenchou1987 @ Apr 23 2012, 11:13 AM)
Guys, do you all consume snack bars? If yes, do share which brand u guys like... currently am loving this brand 'alive' almond nut bar. Taste sweet, nice and nutty smile.gif
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How much is that? 12 bars in a package?
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After looking at the method , should I be doing this to loose weight or cardio more ? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(darkseifer @ Apr 23 2012, 10:13 AM)
So much mental masturbation. Pick a time that is convenient for you and do the cardio. There is nothing special about fasted cardio. You don't even need to do it if provided that you are not lifting like a p***y and your macros are on point.
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LOL I was just asking which one is better. I did the cardio this morning already FYI sleep.gif
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QUOTE(darkseifer @ Apr 23 2012, 10:13 AM)
So much mental masturbation. Pick a time that is convenient for you and do the cardio. There is nothing special about fasted cardio. You don't even need to do it if provided that you are not lifting like a p***y and your macros are on point.
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Exactly. The point a lot is missing is NOT when to do cardio, but on whether doing it or not. Who cares if it's fasted or non fasted, just get it done. Morning , noon, evening, midnight, it don't matter.

Things get so complicated and so meticulous when people start thinking way too in-depth, not that it's a bad thing but it's just about getting your ass moving rather than bickering on what to do and not doing it.

It's not just cardio, it's also the weights, the diet, the supplementation. Don't complicate things, don't over think things, don't reinvent the wheel. Just pick up something and stick with it. The key is consistency.

And kingarthur, no worries, darkseifer wasn't being harsh, he's just trying to get it to all of us to keep things simple
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QUOTE(razorboy @ Apr 23 2012, 03:25 PM)
Exactly. The point a lot is missing is NOT when to do cardio, but on whether doing it or not. Who cares if it's fasted or non fasted, just get it done. Morning , noon, evening, midnight, it don't matter.

Things get so complicated and so meticulous when people start thinking way too in-depth, not that it's a bad thing but it's just about getting your ass moving rather than bickering on what to do and not doing it.

It's not just cardio, it's also the weights, the diet, the supplementation. Don't complicate things, don't over think things, don't reinvent the wheel. Just pick up something and stick with it. The key is consistency.

And kingarthur, no worries, darkseifer wasn't being harsh, he's just trying to get it to all of us to keep things simple
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Alright, thanks bro for helping to clear up. The first sentence just seemed a bit offensive but he gave good advice so thank you darkseifer.
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QUOTE(KingArthurVI @ Apr 23 2012, 05:33 PM)
Alright, thanks bro for helping to clear up. The first sentence just seemed a bit offensive but he gave good advice so thank you darkseifer.
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Didnt think it was offensive, at all. Lighten up bros! Words usually dont have the spoken effect after all
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Just done the correct squats yesterday , man my legs is killing me now rclxub.gif

Wonder if I'm able to do it on tomorrow.

Wanted to do the barbell row but still can't get the right position

Something like this


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The barbell row form in the video is good, but as a beginner, you may not be able to have such a good form, as in your leg may not be that strong and firm, your body may be moving front and back. But the key is use very light weight until u master the form. When you use heavy weights, like the video, the motion is fast, you dun really get to feel it. Use light weight, try a 2 second pull up, 2 second put down. It's alright if your weight dun touch the floor every rep.

I used to hate rows cause I always stumbled like what Scoobie did with flat back and straight legs.

Until I learn the correct form, I love rowing.That's is what helped my chin up and pull up.
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^ Thanks .

Cos yesterday I saw a few ppl doing it but didn't touch the ground.

I still need to learn to position , especially my butt laugh.gif
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^ Thanks .

Cos yesterday I saw a few ppl doing it but didn't touch the ground.

I still need to learn to position , especially my butt laugh.gif
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rclxub.gif butt? Actually rowing is much more involve your middle upper back, the others would be your arm. The butt is not part of it. Basically, the posture is in such a way that, the pressure of your weight is not exert on your back bone. And the bending knees shouldn't feel pressure as well. If u dun feel sore or uncomfortable at your backbone and knees. Just go on.
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I'm not sure what's the correct posture when doing it , my back should be lower or higher or just almost parallel
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I think the vid above is the Pendley row, not the normal barbell row.
Pretty sure you don't need to return the barbell to the floor after each rep for the normal barbell row.

My gym doesn't have a weight plate that is tall enough for me to do the Pendley row so I just resort to doing the normal ones.

Bent Over Barbell Rows
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There are several rows variations that you can find. The most famous one is Bent-Over Rows. You can also use T-Bar Rows, Pendlay Rows, Kroc Rows. All of them have the same function which is to train the back but different variations have different difficulty to set up the form. So, you can choose whatever variations you like. If you have a problem with your back cannot be straight, try superman exercise. I've train 3 of my friends to do pendlay rows and all of them have terrible back form so this exercise have fixed them.
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QUOTE(mikehuan @ Apr 24 2012, 11:05 PM)
Yeap, joined the 10km. Was extremely not satisfied with my performance on enr i just had to make amends
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Gave yourself a challenge by joining 16.8km smile.gif

Still got plenty of time to train and this could help me burn lots of calories. thumbup.gif
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Gave yourself a challenge by joining 16.8km  smile.gif

Still got plenty of time to train and this could help me burn lots of calories.  thumbup.gif
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Running isn't a priority of mine. Its like me asking you to challenge yourself and do 100kg bench for reps.

I just joined to make amends and prove myself, for me. That's it. I don't have a running goal whatsoever.
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QUOTE(mikehuan @ Apr 25 2012, 03:38 PM)
Running isn't a priority of mine. Its like me asking you to challenge yourself and do 100kg bench for reps.

I just joined to make amends and prove myself, for me. That's it. I don't have a running goal whatsoever.
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QUOTE(mikehuan @ Apr 25 2012, 04:38 PM)
Running isn't a priority of mine. Its like me asking you to challenge yourself and do 100kg bench for reps.

I just joined to make amends and prove myself, for me. That's it. I don't have a running goal whatsoever.
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Might be bumping you on that day. biggrin.gif
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No offence bro. smile.gif

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guys, anything can replace egg white?

Getting nausea with egg lol.. anything with low calorie while is high protein smile.gif

having hard time especially in the morning..
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haha...finally u get sick of em...
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5? ==" together with the yolks?

man, 3 of my meal consist 5 eggs! once i smell it, i like zzzz........ rage mode lol.. but stand in front of the mirror, looks better compare to last time..

anyone mind to share their breakfast???
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normally i eat
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hard 2 find something to substitute a cheap and high protein food = egg ....unless we cook chicken breast?
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i do cook chicken breast or should i say boil lol.. i'll take that during lunch cz i can get something with taste during lunch..

sigh.. i guess i'll jz stick to the egg for now.. see how long can i tahan lol..
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QUOTE(MelForC3 @ Apr 26 2012, 09:45 AM)
guys, anything can replace egg white?

Getting nausea with egg lol.. anything with low calorie while is high protein smile.gif

having hard time especially in the morning..
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MelForC3, you don't take the yolk?
Firm tofu is really cheap too, but I personally find it harder to eat than eggs...
At the pasar malam u can get 4 pieces for rm1, each piece is about 100g = ~10g protein.
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Pretty insightful (depends on how you interpret it, of course) and interesting take on Pre and Post nutrition.

Looks like I'll be carrying around Gummy Bears in the gym...
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Oh noes, missed the 30mins window. Goodbye sweet gainzzz.
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Oh noes, missed the 30mins window. Goodbye sweet gainzzz.
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lol what happen? where was your shake? always put a banana or an apple in your gym bag just incase. bread will do the work too so that your body wont use protein for energy...simple carbs..hahaa take note for beginners about this 30mins thingy.

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lol what happen? where was your shake? always put a banana or an apple in your gym bag just incase. bread will do the work too so that your body wont use protein for energy...simple carbs..hahaa take note for beginners about this 30mins thingy.
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lol what happen? where was your shake? always put a banana or an apple in your gym bag just incase. bread will do the work too so that your body wont use protein for energy...simple carbs..hahaa take note for beginners about this 30mins thingy.
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Meh. Will be using dat dere casein IV drip to stay anaBROlic all day errday. Catabolism has no chance to beat me!
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lol.
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lol what happen? where was your shake? always put a banana or an apple in your gym bag just incase. bread will do the work too so that your body wont use protein for energy...simple carbs..hahaa take note for beginners about this 30mins thingy.
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Not sure if serious.
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sarcasm dude...  doh.gif
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Meh. Will be using dat dere casein IV drip to stay anaBROlic all day errday. Catabolism has no chance to beat me!
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^I echo this sentiment.  laugh.gif
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Not sure if serious.
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I really think he is damn serious.
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I just started to lift weight, around 3 week now.

I noticed that every muscle on my right is biggest than the left side.

The obvious part is arm beside chest.


Should I add weight to the left side ?

Let's say right hand I lift 7kg dumble, left 7.5kg ?
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QUOTE(WiLeKiyO @ Apr 26 2012, 09:05 PM)
I just started to lift weight, around 3 week now.

I noticed that every muscle on my right is biggest than the left side.

The obvious part is arm beside chest.
Should I add weight to the left side ?

Let's say right hand I lift 7kg dumble, left 7.5kg ?
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Play badminton/ tennis?

Dont think you need to do so. Stick to 7kg both, lets say your left arm can only do 10 reps max in 1 set, do only 10 reps for the right too(eventhou you feel you can do more than 10 reps).

I have been playing badminton for 13 years before i started weight training, so you can imagine how my right arm is compare to my left. My left is catching up right now.

Thats my way..maybe the big fellas here will have other ways.
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QUOTE(Dagger69 @ Apr 26 2012, 09:16 PM)
Play badminton/ tennis?

Dont think you need to do so. Stick to 7kg both, lets say your left arm can only do 10 reps max in 1 set, do only 10 reps for the right too(eventhou you feel you can do more than 10 reps).

I have been playing badminton for 13 years before i started weight training, so you can imagine how my right arm is compare to my left. My left is catching up right now.

Thats my way..maybe the big fellas here will have other ways.
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Thanks for advice icon_rolleyes.gif

I'm afraid most is right chest will bigger than left. Not balance. wink.gif
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QUOTE(WiLeKiyO @ Apr 26 2012, 09:28 PM)
Thanks for advice  icon_rolleyes.gif

I'm afraid most is right chest will bigger than left. Not balance.  wink.gif
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Well if you are worry, maybe you should try to use machines for chest at the early stage.

Do free weights tend to cause this ''1 side bigger than the other'' if you are using the wrong techniques. Better if you have an experienced gym partner. smile.gif

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Well if you are worry, maybe you should try to use machines for chest at the early stage.

Do free weights tend to cause this ''1 side bigger than the other'' if you are using the wrong techniques. Better if you have an experienced gym partner.  smile.gif
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I only workout at home, too shy go to gym because I'm thin,( 175cm, 56kg). I aim for ripped chest and arm. I do push ups 3 times/week.


And my partner even more funny, I consume weight gain now, and he said I will die early. doh.gif People always thought supplement = steroid.

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you cant change the taste, nonetheless, add bit spice in the recipe might do the trick
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cant tahan anymore lol..

jz take 5 egg white, 1 whole egg omelette with a bit of chilly sauce as postworkout meal.. also about 200g of chick breast biggrin.gif

tofu? hm.. boil tofu vs boil egg zz ==" i cant imagine the taste lol.. haha..
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QUOTE(MelForC3 @ Apr 26 2012, 09:47 PM)
cant tahan anymore lol..

jz take 5 egg white, 1 whole egg omelette with a bit of chilly sauce as postworkout meal.. also about 200g of chick breast  biggrin.gif

tofu? hm.. boil tofu vs boil egg zz ==" i cant imagine the taste lol.. haha..
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why don't you try half boiled eggs? Well, I like quater boiled so every morning I will have 3 quater boiled whole eggs and put some soy sauce and eat all of them in one gulp.
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QUOTE(WiLeKiyO @ Apr 26 2012, 09:44 PM)
I only workout at home, too shy go to gym because I'm thin,( 175cm, 56kg). I aim for ripped chest and arm. I do push ups 3 times/week.
And my partner even more funny, I consume weight gain now, and he said I will die early.  doh.gif  People always thought supplement = steroid.
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Ohh lol everyone has to start from somewhere, am I right? Usually those big hunks in the gym dont give a damn about others. So just do what you got to do.

Push up is a great exercise. Make sure to do various kind of push ups. Standard push up, wide push up, diamond push up, incline and decline..make sure you hit all parts of your chest. If you are already in the advance stage, try to do clapping push up front and back.

Keep you arms and body balance btw. If not, 1 big 1 small. tongue.gif

lol he has his own opinion, let him.

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QUOTE(WiLeKiyO @ Apr 26 2012, 09:44 PM)
I only workout at home, too shy go to gym because I'm thin,( 175cm, 56kg). I aim for ripped chest and arm. I do push ups 3 times/week.
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So, you are only focusing on your upper body size? Nice goal you got there but if you managed to achieve your goal and somehow we both met together by destiny, I'll call you chicken leg.
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QUOTE(Dagger69 @ Apr 26 2012, 09:56 PM)
Ohh lol everyone has to start from somewhere, am I right? Usually those big hunks in the gym dont give a damn about others. So just do what you got to do.

Push up is a great exercise. Make sure to do various kind of push ups. Standard push up, wide push up, diamond push up, incline and decline..make sure you hit all parts of your chest. If you are already in the advance stage, try to do clapping push up front and back.

lol he has his own opinion, let him.
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Thanks so much for that advice man, really appreciate. But I think I will not go to any gym as I'm afraid being laugh.

For so many years I be a joke for my friends, laughing I'm skinny. sad.gif

I gained 3kg in a month now after starting workout and consume as much calories I can ( around 2400 to 3500 calories). Before that I was 53kg, now 56kg. My target 65kg - 70kg.

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QUOTE(alien9 @ Apr 26 2012, 10:00 PM)
So, you are only focusing on your upper body size? Nice goal you got there but if you managed to achieve your goal and somehow we both met together by destiny, I'll call you chicken leg.
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my right ankle is injured, doctor said I'm not allow to do heavy workout for my leg for like 3 months. After recovery, I start workout for my lower body. smile.gif
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QUOTE(WiLeKiyO @ Apr 26 2012, 10:05 PM)
Thanks so much for that advice man, really appreciate. But I think I will not go to any gym as I'm afraid being laugh.

For so many years I be a joke for my friends, laughing I'm skinny. sad.gif

I gained 3kg in a month now after starting workout and consume as much calories I can ( around 2400 to 3500 calories). Before that I was 53kg, now 56kg. My target 65kg - 70kg.
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QUOTE(WiLeKiyO @ Apr 26 2012, 10:08 PM)
my right ankle is injured, doctor said I'm not allow to do heavy workout for my leg for like 3 months. After recovery, I start workout for my lower body. smile.gif
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Welcome..Hahaa I'm lucky to have friends around to give advices, just sharing what gained. Still learning...

Find your self confidence and hit the gym one day. You can do much more there. nod.gif

Hopefully it will motivate you more. They might be your laughing stock one day. tongue.gif 65-70kg is a good range for your height. Keep eating clean.

For legs, maybe with your condition you can do bodyweight squat and lunge. Hold your arms straight in front for more challenging squats. Use the chair or bench to do step-up.


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QUOTE(WiLeKiyO @ Apr 26 2012, 10:08 PM)
my right ankle is injured, doctor said I'm not allow to do heavy workout for my leg for like 3 months. After recovery, I start workout for my lower body. smile.gif
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I see. If that's your reason, that's fine. Just a few pointers, do also focused on your lower body. As per your status, you are seriously underweight right. So, in order to increase mass, you need to focused more whole body instead just on your upper body. And trust me, I saw a person who is 168ish cm and have ripped chest and arm but got a very skinny leg and it is very awkward. Imagine you have that kind of body.


QUOTE(WiLeKiyO @ Apr 26 2012, 10:08 PM)
I only workout at home, too shy go to gym because I'm thin,( 175cm, 56kg)
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Do get yourself a gym membership. Unless you have a home gym, you need to get to the gym. Push ups ain't doing nothing much on your upper body unless you started to incorporate weight to your push ups.
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QUOTE(alien9 @ Apr 26 2012, 10:22 PM)
incorporate weight to your push ups.
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This is true once your bodyweight is sup sup sui to you. I like to use my housemate's dog as an extra weight. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Dagger69 @ Apr 26 2012, 10:27 PM)
This is true once your bodyweight is sup sup sui to you. I like to use my housemate's dog as an extra weight.  biggrin.gif
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My brother can do normal push ups with 60kg on his back. Me? I will within couple of years. Hahaha
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My brother can do normal push ups with 60kg on his back. Me? I will within couple of years. Hahaha
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QUOTE(Dagger69 @ Apr 26 2012, 10:41 PM)
blink.gif strong fella! haha I dont know when I can ask someone to sit on my back. lol
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You can when you can do vertical push ups and 2 fingered push ups with just one hand.
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Wtf why are u guys talking about push ups here, of all things? Okay I might sound elitist here but COME ON this is the bb thread!

Your right side is bigger, you say? Do iso work, ie dbs. Stay away from machines.
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QUOTE(mikehuan @ Apr 26 2012, 10:44 PM)
Wtf why are u guys talking about push ups here, of all things? Okay I might sound elitist here but COME ON this is the bb thread!

Your right side is bigger, you say? Do iso work, ie dbs. Stay away from machines.
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No offense but since when push up is not a body building exercise?
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Cuz once u start deviating into two fingered push ups and push up with weights, eventually we will move into calisthenics which actually has its own thread http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1985666 smile.gif

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QUOTE(Dagger69 @ Apr 26 2012, 10:50 PM)
No offense but since when push up is not a body building exercise?
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QUOTE(janson_kaniaz @ Apr 26 2012, 11:03 PM)
how far can u go with push-ups really, muscle-building wise?
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True but one cannot deny push up is not a muscle building exercise whether it will be very effective or not, am I right?


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Cuz once u start deviating into two fingered push ups and push up with weights, eventually we will move into calisthenics which actually has its own thread http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1985666 smile.gif
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Yeap calisthenics. Side track a couple of posts wont hurt i guess. Thanks. biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(Dagger69 @ Apr 26 2012, 11:05 PM)
True but one cannot deny push up is not a muscle building exercise whether it will be very effective or not, am I right?


Added on April 26, 2012, 11:06 pm

Yeap calisthenics. Side track a couple of posts wont hurt i guess. Thanks.  biggrin.gif
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I guess jerking off can also be a muscle building exercise for your arms , shoulders , lats, upper back. HOLY MOTHER OF GOD, I FOUND A NEW COMPOUND MOVEMENT. But I guess one cannot deny jerking of is not a muscle building exercise whether it will be very effective or not

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I only workout at home, too shy go to gym because I'm thin,( 175cm, 56kg).
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my friend only 50kg when he hit the gym and only 170 cm. why do you need to feel shy to go gym ?
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QUOTE(razorboy @ Apr 26 2012, 11:11 PM)
I guess jerking off can also be a muscle building exercise for your arms , shoulders , lats, upper back. HOLY MOTHER OF GOD, I FOUND A NEW COMPOUND MOVEMENT. But I guess one cannot deny jerking of is not a muscle building exercise whether it will be very effective or not
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Its a BB thread. I guess we shall stop here. Thanks for the replies.
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QUOTE(kaolen @ Apr 26 2012, 11:13 PM)
my friend only 50kg when he hit the gym and only 170 cm. why do you need to feel shy to go gym ?
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It feels like I'm naked and all of my friends laughing at me instead of motivate me. "Hey look ! A skinny guy try to carry a dumbbell !"
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QUOTE(mikehuan @ Apr 26 2012, 10:44 PM)
Wtf why are u guys talking about push ups here, of all things? Okay I might sound elitist here but COME ON this is the bb thread!
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Cuz once u start deviating into two fingered push ups and push up with weights, eventually we will move into calisthenics which actually has its own thread http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1985666 smile.gif
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Sorry guys, didn't mean to deviate this thread. Thought it was ok thou. Hahaha
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Dude, I was 50-odd kilos when I started out. Just get over it and get into a gym, eat right, rest well and you'll be the one laughing when you look better than them.

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It feels like I'm naked and all of my friends laughing at me instead of motivate me. "Hey look ! A skinny guy try to carry a dumbbell !"
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can i know what kind of workout must i do to maintain fit... i dont want to get a big muscle... what i mean the one look like athlete


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It feels like I'm naked and all of my friends laughing at me instead of motivate me. "Hey look ! A skinny guy try to carry a dumbbell !"
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Regardless how much you weigh, or how you look like, actions talks louder. Get to a gym, put on your headphones, and do your shit. You're gonna get respect from the other guys.

And if you don't, screw em. Even if its your friends.

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Weighted jerk off. Hang weight plates on your wrists and jerk off.

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Don't lift any weights. Even coming within a 5 mile radius of a gym will cause your testosterone levels to rise over 9000 units and you will turn into the hulk.
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Don't lift any weights. Even coming within a 5 mile radius of a gym will cause your testosterone levels to rise over 9000 units and you will turn into the hulk.
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The past 2 weeks I screwed up my macros ie. eat lotsa carbs/fats/junks... surprisingly.. i lose fat %. Maybe I've found my sweet spot...

Or maybe i went diving and that burnt the fats up.

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The past 2 weeks I screwed up my macros ie. eat lotsa carbs/fats/junks... surprisingly.. i lose fat %. Maybe I've found my sweet spot...

Or maybe i went diving and that burnt the fats up.
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how far can u go with push-ups really, muscle-building wise?
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Not true, you can do one-handed push ups.

You can work up to a really really good strength level with just BW exercises alone - many of which are harder than weights.

Just to clarify, I lift weights because I like it. But I also climb with several hardcore climbers and they beat me pound for pound strengthwise.

Pull ups, BTN Pull up, muscle up, one-handed pull up, flags, pistol squats - all are not easy at all.

But you probably won't get ripped from em unless you have really great genes.

Yeah I forgot - handstand pushups too are a killer......

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QUOTE(DJJD @ Apr 27 2012, 01:38 PM)
Not true, you can do one-handed push ups.

You can work up to a really really good strength level with just BW exercises alone - many of which are harder than weights.

Just to clarify, I lift weights because I like it. But I also climb with several hardcore climbers and they beat me pound for pound strengthwise.

Pull ups, BTN Pull up, muscle up, one-handed pull up, flags, pistol squats - all are not easy at all.

But you probably won't get ripped from em unless you have really great genes.

Yeah I forgot - handstand pushups too are a killer......
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Calisthenics thread >> that way.

This has been argued over and over again, so lets not go there
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QUOTE(DJJD @ Apr 27 2012, 01:38 PM)
Not true, you can do one-handed push ups.

You can work up to a really really good strength level with just BW exercises alone - many of which are harder than weights.

Just to clarify, I lift weights because I like it. But I also climb with several hardcore climbers and they beat me pound for pound strengthwise.

Pull ups, BTN Pull up, muscle up, one-handed pull up, flags, pistol squats - all are not easy at all.

But you probably won't get ripped from em unless you have really great genes.

Yeah I forgot - handstand pushups too are a killer......
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Your points are all true, but out of context since he said in terms of building muscle not in terms of the feats you can perform. When in comes to muscle hypertrophy, you can only get so far with bodyweight exercises because you can only load the muscles with your own weight, and after that point, unless you get heavier, you're not going to be able to progressively overload the muscles.
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Agree with you on hypertrophy. Weights are always gonna be more efficient and have trackable progress.

But for someone who doesn't want to pay for a gym, assuming they are disciplined enough can build a reasonable amount of muscle with no weights. Check out the "ghetto workouts" video on youtube.

Assume handstand pushup for someone at 70kgs. assuming you do one, that is more or less a 160lb military press - which is a lot of weight! While progressive overload can be done by increasing reps not just weight.

There is a limit though I agree.
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Agree with you on hypertrophy. Weights are always gonna be more efficient and have trackable progress.

But for someone who doesn't want to pay for a gym, assuming they are disciplined enough can build a reasonable amount of muscle with no weights. Check out the "ghetto workouts" video on youtube.

Assume handstand pushup for someone at 70kgs. assuming you do one, that is more or less a 160lb military press - which is a lot of weight! While progressive overload can be done by increasing reps not just weight.

There is a limit though I agree.
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Not enough rom for handstand pushups, your head gets in the way.

Very different from military presses, those are way harder
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QUOTE(MelForC3 @ Apr 26 2012, 09:47 PM)
cant tahan anymore lol..

jz take 5 egg white, 1 whole egg omelette with a bit of chilly sauce as postworkout meal.. also about 200g of chick breast  biggrin.gif

tofu? hm.. boil tofu vs boil egg zz ==" i cant imagine the taste lol.. haha..
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i eat em RAW with some chilli/tomato sauce.
And it's not nice but I just chew and swallow.
You skipping the yolks because you're controlling your fat intake?

Anyways, my pulled chest muscle is killing me.
Haven't worked out in > a week and i'm getting really restless.
Damn muscle still hurts when I take deep breaths. Wrong muscle to pull.
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QUOTE(DJJD @ Apr 27 2012, 04:14 PM)
Agree with you on hypertrophy. Weights are always gonna be more efficient and have trackable progress.

But for someone who doesn't want to pay for a gym, assuming they are disciplined enough can build a reasonable amount of muscle with no weights. Check out the "ghetto workouts" video on youtube.

Assume handstand pushup for someone at 70kgs. assuming you do one, that is more or less a 160lb military press - which is a lot of weight! While progressive overload can be done by increasing reps not just weight.

There is a limit though I agree.
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Not enough rom for handstand pushups, your head gets in the way.

Very different from military presses, those are way harder
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I'm with mike on this one. The shorter ROM makes it easier to do handstand pushups compared to a military press of equivalent weight. I'm approx. 78kg and I can get a good 10 handstand pushups (and this is after I've trained shoulders and arms earlier today, which are the key muscles in the movement), but I would barely get 5 reps on a 70kg shoulder press. I get what you're trying to put across, just not the best example. smile.gif

And yes, if someone doesn't have the resources for a gym membership or their own weights, bodyweight is still good for getting in decent shape. But again, that's where the calisthenics thread comes in. wink.gif
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just wanna share with you guys. i actually had lower back injuries when i was 16, caused by rugby training. nothing serious, as the doctor said that my lower back muscle stressed and she gave me an injection. everything was going perfect after that.

the only probs is that she already told me that i need to stay away from heavy works/weights as it might cause the problem to occur again.

idk why but suddenly i can feel that it happens again this week. but caused of my ego, i still do squats. 1 set of 6 reps, and i'm out. i can't even do lighter weight for the next set. so i stopped.

i then tried to do leg extension, and sadly, i can't even do a single rep of 20lbs (as my normal weight is 130lbs).

maybe i should take a long rest from deadlifting and squatting. this is so sad.
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QUOTE(ZintanthraX @ Apr 27 2012, 06:02 PM)
just wanna share with you guys. i actually had lower back injuries when i was 16, caused by rugby training. nothing serious, as the doctor said that my lower back muscle stressed and she gave me an injection. everything was going perfect after that.

the only probs is that she already told me that i need to stay away from heavy works/weights as it might cause the problem to occur again.

idk why but suddenly i can feel that it happens again this week. but caused of my ego, i still do squats. 1 set of 6 reps, and i'm out. i can't even do lighter weight for the next set. so i stopped.

i then tried to do leg extension, and sadly, i can't even do a single rep of 20lbs (as my normal weight is 130lbs).

maybe i should take a long rest from deadlifting and squatting. this is so sad.
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Go to a different doctor for a second opinion, I'd say better a chiropractor or physiotherapist.
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Go to a different doctor for a second opinion, I'd say better a chiropractor or physiotherapist.
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will do. i'm totally freaked out now. really hope that i can deadlift and squat again. currently feeding on the muscle relaxing pills that the doc gave me.
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QUOTE(ZintanthraX @ Apr 27 2012, 06:02 PM)
just wanna share with you guys. i actually had lower back injuries when i was 16, caused by rugby training. nothing serious, as the doctor said that my lower back muscle stressed and she gave me an injection. everything was going perfect after that.

the only probs is that she already told me that i need to stay away from heavy works/weights as it might cause the problem to occur again.

idk why but suddenly i can feel that it happens again this week. but caused of my ego, i still do squats. 1 set of 6 reps, and i'm out. i can't even do lighter weight for the next set. so i stopped.

i then tried to do leg extension, and sadly, i can't even do a single rep of 20lbs (as my normal weight is 130lbs).

maybe i should take a long rest from deadlifting and squatting. this is so sad.
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Dude, CHILL! Not doing deadlifts and squats does not mean the end of the world. Take it easy for a while and do more iso movements. Remember, you're in this for the long run. Taking a break from heavy compounds might actually help your progress. You never know.
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QUOTE(mikehuan @ Apr 28 2012, 01:09 AM)
Dude, CHILL! Not doing deadlifts and squats does not mean the end of the world. Take it easy for a while and do more iso movements. Remember, you're in this for the long run. Taking a break from heavy compounds might actually help your progress. You never know.
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will do mike. its just so frustrating when everything was fine, and the weights are increasing. maybe i should stop squatting and deadlifting for a couple weeks and see how it goes.

damn i sit and walk like a granny now.
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will do mike. its just so frustrating when everything was fine, and the weights are increasing. maybe i should stop squatting and deadlifting for a couple weeks and see how it goes.

damn i sit and walk like a granny now.
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you know, i have a bad lower back as well, due to fall in football sometime back.
i'm doing squat n deadlifts for fun, and in terms of breaking PRs, i take it real slowwwwwwwwwwwwwww
it's not that u have time against u, back n legs have tonnes of other exercises
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QUOTE(janson_kaniaz @ Apr 28 2012, 09:35 AM)
you know, i have a bad lower back as well, due to fall in football sometime back.
i'm doing squat n deadlifts for fun, and in terms of breaking PRs, i take it real slowwwwwwwwwwwwwww
it's not that u have time against u, back n legs have tonnes of other exercises
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maybe i should focus on something else. its getting better today as i can walk with no pain. smile.gif
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QUOTE(MelForC3 @ Apr 26 2012, 10:47 PM)
cant tahan anymore lol..

jz take 5 egg white, 1 whole egg omelette with a bit of chilly sauce as postworkout meal.. also about 200g of chick breast  biggrin.gif

tofu? hm.. boil tofu vs boil egg zz ==" i cant imagine the taste lol.. haha..
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haha... I almost vomit when eat 10 egg whites omelette..... I put some tomatoes, mushroom etc in the egg to add on its taste and variety
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hey guys where can i get liquid chalk or weightlifting chalk around KL?

no i don't have any bench videos

pls respond
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QUOTE(adix4 @ Apr 29 2012, 10:11 PM)
hey guys where can i get liquid chalk or weightlifting chalk around KL?

no i don't have any bench videos

pls respond
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whats up with this statement ? what has a video got to do with asking on where to get liquid chalk ?
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QUOTE(shankar_dass93 @ Apr 30 2012, 06:18 AM)
whats up with this statement ? what has a video got to do with asking on where to get liquid chalk ?
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People asking him to show his Bench Press 2 X Bodyweight video as a proof of his statement. Scared of other forumers will bash him
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hey guys i wanna ask about the starting strength work out which is pinned.
it consists of workout A and B doing alternating days.

but the daily accessory workout have to do everyday?
so go to the gym to do 45 degree decline bench weighted situp and hyperextensions?
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hello brothers. got into a car accident 3 weeks ago, been skipping gym since thendue to body paralysis. now muscle shrunked (O not that i hv a lot to begin with, but sayang laaa) how to preserve while im stuck in d hospital bed? any tips?
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QUOTE(Mihawk7 @ May 4 2012, 05:27 PM)
hello brothers. got into a car accident 3 weeks ago, been skipping gym since thendue to body paralysis. now muscle shrunked (O not that i hv a lot to begin with, but sayang laaa) how to preserve while im stuck in d hospital bed? any tips?
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That is an awful news, btw here is a tip. Do eat your calorie maintenance.
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That is an awful news, btw here is a tip. Do eat your calorie maintenance.
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mean maintain diet? trying vry hard to maintain now, with hospital food n all, n my protein shake 3 times a day
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QUOTE(Mihawk7 @ May 4 2012, 05:35 PM)
mean maintain diet? trying vry hard to maintain now, with hospital food n all, n my protein shake 3 times a day
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Do you know your maintenance calorie? You have to eat at least your maintenance calorie in order to preserve your muscle and mass. If lower than that, you are creating a calorie deficit thus you are going into cutting phase
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dunno maintenance calorie, but i guess around 2000 calory

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i've successfull drop my weight from 86kg until current i'm 75kg by taking fat burner and of coz diet. but my BMI is <70kg, and body fat is 23%. my gym session is 4-5 times a week. and ive been gym for 8 months.

but i notice that my muscle dun grow that obvious. or wad sud i do? aim for cutting?
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QUOTE(Mihawk7 @ May 4 2012, 05:27 PM)
hello brothers. got into a car accident 3 weeks ago, been skipping gym since thendue to body paralysis. now muscle shrunked (O not that i hv a lot to begin with, but sayang laaa) how to preserve while im stuck in d hospital bed? any tips?
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Sorry to hear that mate.

Keep your protein high and, calories just slightly above your maintenance. Posing (in front mirror, if there is one) would be good as well.

OH ya, if you are cutting down fat from food, then do take fish oil.

Take care and wish you recover swiftly.

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Hey guys, I'm going on a 1 week vacation and I was wondering what workouts I can perform in order to maintain my muscle mass without hitting the gym/lifting weights since I do not have the luxury of gym over there. Thanks in advance.
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Hi sifus , today i experienced a bad incident whereby i loss my grip when i deadlifting and eventually ended with the bar smashing on the deadlift rack. im clearly knew that not that im unable to lift such weight.. it just happened to me for the first time. i tried even with gloves or without gloves and wiping dry my sweaty palms.. So, i wonder if there any way to prevent this? Or my technique was wrong?? Or due to other reasons??
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straps?
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QUOTE(janson_kaniaz @ May 4 2012, 11:09 PM)
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where to get em? fitness concept? kettler?
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Not a pro here, but my personal problem was that my grip isn't strong enough.
I can lift the weight with my back no prob but my grip always gives way before I can slowly lower the bar.
In your case it could be a need for straps but in my case I just need to increase my grip strength.
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QUOTE(92alvin @ May 4 2012, 10:26 PM)
Hi sifus , today i experienced a bad incident whereby i loss my grip when i deadlifting and eventually ended with the bar smashing on the deadlift rack. im clearly knew that not that im unable to lift such weight.. it just happened to me for the first time. i tried even with gloves or without gloves and wiping dry my sweaty palms.. So, i wonder if there any way to prevent this? Or my technique was wrong?? Or due to other reasons??
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How much weight were you pulling?
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Straps r not ideal for beginners. Unless u r deadlfiting weghts 1.5x body weight or more u should not rely on straps. As u lift heavier, your grip will improve as well.
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QUOTE(KoYuKii @ May 4 2012, 08:21 PM)
Noob alert!!

i've successfull drop my weight from 86kg until current i'm 75kg by taking fat burner and of coz diet. but my BMI is <70kg, and body fat is 23%. my gym session is 4-5 times a week. and ive been gym for 8 months.

but i notice that my muscle dun grow that obvious. or wad sud i do? aim for cutting?
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You are trying to lose weight. Obviously, you won't be able to increase your muscle mass. Since you are trying to lose the fat, continue with cutting first, prolly reducing your body fat to 15% and start bulking phase. Btw, ditch the BMI index.


QUOTE(synchun @ May 4 2012, 09:09 PM)
Hey guys, I'm going on a 1 week vacation and I was wondering what workouts I can perform in order to maintain my muscle mass without hitting the gym/lifting weights since I do not have the luxury of gym over there. Thanks in advance.
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IIMO, take this 1 week vacation as an off week from your gym. This way, you can reduce your physical and mental fatigue build up. Sometimes, a body need a reboot too, not just PC and other devices.

QUOTE(92alvin @ May 4 2012, 10:26 PM)
Hi sifus , today i experienced a bad incident whereby i loss my grip when i deadlifting and eventually ended with the bar smashing on the deadlift rack. im clearly knew that not that im unable to lift such weight.. it just happened to me for the first time. i tried even with gloves or without gloves and wiping dry my sweaty palms.. So, i wonder if there any way to prevent this? Or my technique was wrong?? Or due to other reasons??
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You are deadlifting on deadlift rack? Aren't deadlift should start from the floor? These are some advices from my current experience.
1. switch your deadlift grip. It is recommended for you to do double underhand for the first few set and the last set, switch it into underhand + overhand grip.
2. My grip for max effort deadlift (1x5) is underhand + overhand but I always do dynamic deadlift 80% 5x5 on another day with my underhand grip. I named this method as grip explosive deadlift (train my grip, aim for explosiveness).
3. Use strap but I wouldn't recommend it as it will train your grip less. If you are aiming for a PR, then it is ok. But somehow you must train your grip onw way or another.
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QUOTE(strinq @ May 5 2012, 12:31 AM)
Not a pro here, but my personal problem was that my grip isn't strong enough.
I can lift the weight with my back no prob but my grip always gives way before I can slowly lower the bar.
In your case it could be a need for straps but in my case I just need to increase my grip strength.
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but how to increas grip strength?
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How much weight were you pulling?
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80kgs

QUOTE(janson_kaniaz @ May 5 2012, 12:54 AM)
Straps r not ideal for beginners. Unless u r deadlfiting weghts 1.5x body weight or more u should not rely on straps. As u lift heavier, your grip will improve as well.
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oic. thanks for d info. im not that pro yet. im lifting maybe 1.05x only.
QUOTE(alien9 @ May 5 2012, 12:57 AM)
You are deadlifting on deadlift rack? Aren't deadlift should start from the floor? These are some advices from my current experience.
1. switch your deadlift grip. It is recommended for you to do double underhand for the first few set and the last set, switch it into underhand + overhand grip.
2. My grip for max effort deadlift (1x5) is underhand + overhand but I always do dynamic deadlift 80% 5x5 on another day with my underhand grip. I named this method as grip explosive deadlift (train my grip, aim for explosiveness).
3. Use strap but I wouldn't recommend it as it will train your grip less. If you are aiming for a PR, then it is ok. But somehow you must train your grip onw way or another.
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the gym doesnt spacious enough. but the rack is very low and it was like no different from the floor.
thanks for the info and frankly speaking i dont like to wear gloves or straps as well. but no choice, too pain when lifting such weight.. cry.gif

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Any of you feel pain while doing exercises such DB lateral and front raise? If yes, what you guys do to replace them for your shoulder?

I got no problem with overhead press thou.


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Don't get straps, then.

Work on your grip with farmer walks/wrist curls or whatever works for you.


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Straps do not make one less hardcore than those who shy away from straps.

Your grip is the limiting factor between your back and the weights, if you want a good back workout, you have to make sure your grip isn't part of the equation.

HOWEVER, straps are not to be abused. Use it wisely. A over + under grip is generally understood as a powerlifting grip, mostly because no straps are allowed. In your training(unless you're training for a meet), using straps won't get you disqualified. A mix grip however will put your biceps in a vulnerable position.

I'd advised someone who wants to train their grip do their grip training separately rather than doing it from deadlifting. The last thing anyone wants is a torn bicep tendon from deadlifting over + under.

But then again, nothing wrong with deadlifting with no straps. I don't use straps from time to time. But I stay double over. Nonetheless, this is just a word of advice.

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QUOTE(razorboy @ May 6 2012, 12:10 AM)
Straps do not make one less hardcore than those who shy away from straps.

Your grip is the limiting factor between your back and the weights, if you want a good back workout, you have to make sure your grip isn't part of the equation.

HOWEVER, straps are not to be abused. Use it wisely. A over + under grip is generally understood as a powerlifting grip, mostly because no straps are allowed. In your training(unless you're training for a meet), using straps won't get you disqualified. A mix grip however will put your biceps in a vulnerable position.

I'd advised someone who wants to train their grip do their grip training separately rather than doing it from deadlifting. The last thing anyone wants is a torn bicep tendon from deadlifting over + under.

But then again, nothing wrong with deadlifting with no straps. I don't use straps from time to time. But I stay double over. Nonetheless, this is just a word of advice.

"You can do whatever the f*** YOU WANNA DO!" -Hodgetwins-
JK on the quote btw, don't take it the wrong way.
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I once used a over + under grip and it is a hell of an awkward grip for me. Seems very discomfort but it get the job done; better than double overhand. But I ain't gonna do that again so double overhand for me all the way. Might not be using any straps maybe until 500 lbs
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so , is it okay to workout by night ? 8 - 10 pm ?
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QUOTE(afan92 @ May 7 2012, 07:25 PM)
kinda hav difficult time wit daily schedule..
so , is it okay to workout by night ? 8 - 10 pm ?
or even morning ? 8 - 10 am?
pro n cons ? my trainer said morning isn't great time for workout ?
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and you just nod and didnt ask your trainer why he said that?

Simply put, there is no right or wrong here.

Working out in the morning is fine as long as you get your breakfast right. You need plenty of fuel to do the heavy lifting.

If you are an early person, you will wake up at 5am feel so pumped. Whereas some people prefer to do it later in the evening.

Everything falls down to your diet eventually.

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QUOTE(afan92 @ May 7 2012, 07:25 PM)
kinda hav difficult time wit daily schedule..
so , is it okay to workout by night ? 8 - 10 pm ?
or even morning ? 8 - 10 am?
pro n cons ? my trainer said morning isn't great time for workout ?
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emm I dont know about ur body, but I workout at noon/evening. Morning i sleep. Night i work. The point is, just pick what ever time u like, as long as ur body r comfortable/can adapt to it. There is no fix time to hit the iron. This is from what i experienced. Maybe seniors or other forumer got different suggestion/thought about it. smile.gif
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QUOTE(Dagger69 @ May 7 2012, 07:47 PM)
and you just nod and didnt ask your trainer why he said that?

Simply put, there is no right or wrong here. 

Working out in the morning is fine as long as you get your breakfast right. You need plenty of fuel to do the heavy lifting.

If you are an early person, you will wake up at 5am feel so pumped. Whereas some people prefer to do it later in the evening.

Everything falls down to your diet eventually.
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he said something bout endocrine something..
thnx for advice ,
felling rclxub.gif now, something really screwed my eve workout..


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QUOTE(afan92 @ May 7 2012, 07:56 PM)
he said something bout endocrine something..
thnx for advice ,
felling  rclxub.gif now, something really screwed my eve workout..
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I guess everyone has their own timing and opinion.

I asked a dude once in the gym. What he do is he take advantage of an empty stomach and use superpump or no-xplode cant rmb. Right after workout, protein shakes..and then breakfast.

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I guess everyone has their own timing and opinion.

I asked a dude once in the gym. What he do is he take advantage of an empty stomach and use NO-Xplode. Right after workout, protein shakes..and then breakfast.
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QUOTE(afan92 @ May 7 2012, 07:25 PM)
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The best time to workout is when you feel like you want to workout. Doesn't matter if you have higher testosterone in the evening but if you have shitty workout, then you have shitty gain. I always train in the morning, around 8.30 am the earliest (send my gf to uni, I went to Uni gym). Less people and all the gym for me.

I always doing my workout fasted since I'm on leangains diet. Still managed to do Squat PR and Deadlift PR every time I need to.
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QUOTE(alien9 @ May 7 2012, 08:27 PM)
The best time to workout is when you feel like you want to workout. Doesn't matter if you have higher testosterone in the evening but if you have shitty workout, then you have shitty gain. I always train in the morning, around 8.30 am the earliest (send my gf to uni, I went to Uni gym). Less people and all the gym for me.

I always doing my workout fasted since I'm on leangains diet. Still managed to do Squat PR and Deadlift PR every time I need to.
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thats it, something bout gland excretion ..
thnx
so any other meals than can gain my energy back after mowning workout besides protein shake is??
still wandering..
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QUOTE(afan92 @ May 7 2012, 08:35 PM)
so any other meals than can gain my energy back after mowning workout besides protein shake is??
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A huge carb+protein+fat breakfast would do
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What does a 5x5 workout mean?
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it means that you have 5 reps for 5 sets


Added on May 10, 2012, 8:41 pmtotalling your workout to 25 reps

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QUOTE(alien9 @ May 10 2012, 08:38 PM)
it means that you have 5 reps for 5 sets


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Any example of excercises??
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any type of exercise will do. basically, a 5x5 routine is for strength training. for a hypertrophy training, medium to high reps (8-12) are used.

you can refer to stronglifts 5x5 for more info on 5x5


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hm.. i nvr try though.. i oni tried those i mentioned bcz it's killing me lol..

i only go for 2 weeks den i stop tongue.gif
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QUOTE(shueking @ May 10 2012, 10:45 PM)
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Lol why not, i did some close grip binch priss and barbell curl for the gurlz on my 5x5. srs

anyways imho chins,dips,cgbp and curls helped a lot on my journey on shoulder press and binch priss.
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Finally I i gained 6kg in 2 months, from 54kg to 60kg. No junk food, I eat clean from egg, fish, chicken, mass gain and milk.

But I still look skinny as shit. I'm 175cm, 60kg.

My friend 171cm but he is only 57kg. How could possible he looks fatter and his arm is bigger than me ?
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QUOTE(WiLeKiyO @ May 16 2012, 02:47 AM)
Finally I i gained 6kg in 2 months, from 54kg to 60kg. No junk food, I eat clean from egg, fish, chicken, mass gain and milk.

But I still look skinny as shit. I'm 175cm, 60kg.

My friend 171cm but he is only 57kg. How could possible he looks fatter and his arm is bigger than me ?
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He got a lot more lean muscle than you. Or he have a bigger frame.
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QUOTE(WiLeKiyO @ May 16 2012, 02:47 AM)
Finally I i gained 6kg in 2 months, from 54kg to 60kg. No junk food, I eat clean from egg, fish, chicken, mass gain and milk.

But I still look skinny as shit. I'm 175cm, 60kg.

My friend 171cm but he is only 57kg. How could possible he looks fatter and his arm is bigger than me ?
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fat is lighter than muscle.
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fat is lighter than muscle.
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Lighter?
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fat is lighter than muscle.
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fat is lighter than muscle.
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In fact I'm still look skinny even my BMI is normal. Next target is 65kg.
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Fat is less dense than muscle.
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fat is lighter than muscle.
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both weight same just muscle are denser
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1kg of fat is the same weight with 1 kg of muscle. But comparing with volume between muscle and fat, 1kg of fat have bigger volume than 1kg of muscle.

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Therefore, assume you are comparing muscle and fat of the same volume.

Fats are lighter.

Lets move along now shall we?
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Therefore, assume you are comparing muscle and fat of the same volume.

Fats are lighter.

Lets move along now shall we?
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For education discussion purpose, yeah.
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Rocky is so damn mini compare with Arnold.



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yeah...but rocky is in much greater shape now compared to arnie..haha
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anyone training today??

what kind of exercise? share biggrin.gif
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what kind of exercise? share biggrin.gif
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PHAT Back and Shoulder Hypertrophy on Keto Diet. Felt very tired but able to finish all the routine.

I've done:
1. Pendlay Row 6x3
2. Chin Up (Front, Wide Grip) 3x12
3. Cable Row (V-Grip) 3x12
4. One Arm Barbell Row supersetted with Meadow Row 2x12
6. Pulldown (Front, V-Grip) 2x20
7. Triple Triad by CT of T-nation (Front Raise, Lateral Raise and Bent Over Raise in one set) 3x10
10. Shoulder Press 2x10
11. T-Bar Row (Wide Grip) 3x10

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Back day
Deadlifts
Weighted chin ups
Single arm rows because my left lat is smaller sad.gif
Bb rows or pulldowns

Followed by curls if I still have anything left. (Probably won't lol)
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alien9: what is PHAT back??

Mikehuan: Kill your back haha..

Im going for shoulder today.

Standing military press
DB site lateral raise
Bent over rear delt
DB shoulder press
Cable side lateral raise
machine reverse fly
front DB lateral raise
upright row
shrug

press 4 sets
lateral raise 3 sets
sounds alot lol..
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Power Hypertrophy Adaptive Training (PHAT) by Dr. Layne Norton. Today is the Back and Shoulder hypertrophy day.
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U two are nuts lol. 30 plus sets???


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Owh yea, forgot that I also do 2x10 Dumbbell Shrug.

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Is it normal? -Dan recommend me this routine and I modified a bit.
Well, mine is 34 set for back and shoulder. MelForC3 done 30+ sets just for his shoulder. Hahaha

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EZ-Bar Curl 3 x 8
DB Preacher Curl 3 x 8
Reverse EZ-Bar Curl3 x 8
Alternate DB Bicep Curl 3 x 8
HIIT on treadmill 20 mins.
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haha maybe la.. seriously my shoulder dont develop, weakest part now is my delts and lower chest..

try to do more type of exercise, see whether it works out or not.. so far so good..

VoodooEx: U r hitting so much of ur inner bicep, try to target the long head biggrin.gif
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I went to gym today, alone.

Please advice how should I workout.

Today's workout

Bench press 6set x till failure(usually between 6-10 reps)

Chin ups 6set x till failure ( 4 - 8 reps)


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What's this equipment name ?

I pull 6set x 8reps


Should I do more or I'm overdo ? I feel pain on my chest and arm but it is acceptable.

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I went to gym today, alone.

Please advice how should I workout.

Today's workout

Bench press 6set x till failure(usually between 6-10 reps)

Chin ups 6set x till failure ( 4 - 8 reps)
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What's this equipment name ?

I pull 6set x 8reps
Should I do more or I'm overdo ? I feel pain on my chest and arm but it is acceptable.
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That machine is called pulldown machine. Well, you have bench press for chest, chin up for back and pulldown for back. Is that your today exercise? Chest and Back or do you left some exercises out?
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That machine is called pulldown machine. Well, you have bench press for chest, chin up for back and pulldown for back. Is that your today exercise? Chest and Back or do you left some exercises out?
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Nope. that all. will workout for my lower body a day after.
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Nope. that all. will workout for my lower body a day after.
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How is your routine? Upper Body and Lower Body Split?
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haha maybe la.. seriously my shoulder dont develop, weakest part now is my delts and lower chest..

try to do more type of exercise, see whether it works out or not.. so far so good..

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Thanks for tip. I'll look into it.
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If you have, let say a tricep day, it is best for you to pick several exercises that target different area of the intended muscle. Just like chest, you have upper pec and lower pec. Pick the exercises that will ensure that your upper pec and lower pec develop together, not letting a muscle lagging behind another muscle. Just like the delts, if you only do front raise and lateral raise but didn't do any rear delt exercise, you will have a trouble there.
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Wide stance coz it hit the glutes more,but somtime i try to mix it up with narrow one

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How is your routine? Upper Body and Lower Body Split?
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Yes, I split upper and lower body.


Btw, what's the optimal number of set should I do for each muscle group ?


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I can do beyond 6 sets but I'm afraid I'm overdo which cause my muscle injured and not develop.
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QUOTE(WiLeKiyO @ May 17 2012, 09:52 PM)
I can do beyond 6 sets but I'm afraid I'm overdo which cause my muscle injured and not develop.
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well, MelForC3 are doing 30+ sets for just his shoulder, not upper body so I don't think that 6 sets for upper body will consider overtraining. Where do you get your routine? Or you created one for yourself?
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well, MelForC3 are doing 30+ sets for just his shoulder, not upper body so I don't think that 6 sets for upper body will consider overtraining. Where do you get your routine? Or you created one for yourself?
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I create myself.


Where can I get a full routine for beginner ?
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I create myself.
Where can I get a full routine for beginner ?
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Haha. Thought so. Well, usually the routine that is good for beginner is stronglifts 5x5, starting strength, 5/3/1, all those routine that incorporate compound movements. It is the best for beginner and even advance weightlifter as compound exercises engage lots of muscle comparing iso exercises (iso is good when you already intermediate).

Pick one, I recommend you stronglifts 5x5, build you strength from there and when the time comes for split, you find the best split.
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QUOTE(WiLeKiyO @ May 17 2012, 09:52 PM)
I can do beyond 6 sets but I'm afraid I'm overdo which cause my muscle injured and not develop.
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trust me, when you're overdoing it you'll know.
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trust me, when you're overdoing it you'll know.
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So you mean do as many as possible until failure ? Usually I do 6 - 10 reps which the last reps making me blue face.
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I create myself hahaha... im not following any style...

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So you mean do as many as possible until failure ? Usually I do 6 - 10 reps which the last reps making me blue face.
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thats up to you. some people prefer doing till failure on their last sets, some prefer to fail on all their sets.

but if you're overtraining, trust me you'll feel like shit. your poundages drop, you feel tired all the time, recovery time gets longer, etc etc
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thats up to you. some people prefer doing till failure on their last sets, some prefer to fail on all their sets.

but if you're overtraining, trust me you'll feel like shit. your poundages drop, you feel tired all the time, recovery time gets longer, etc etc
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Thanks so much buddy. It's really hard to train alone, I only have stupid friend keep laughing me skinny.
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Thanks so much buddy. It's really hard to train alone, I only have stupid friend keep laughing me skinny.
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i train alone as well. you'll get used to it. only thing that should concern you is your safety when doing free weights, haha.

and ignore negativity, everyone starts somewhere. just a matter of time before they shut up, if you do everything right
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QUOTE(WiLeKiyO @ May 17 2012, 10:20 PM)
Thanks so much buddy. It's really hard to train alone, I only have stupid friend keep laughing me skinny.
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Don't bother them at all. Learn as much knowledge as you can in weightlifting, nutrition, etc2 and then show them the results from it. When you have the body like Mikehuan, MelForC3, and Darklight, then you will see who is laughing right?

I have been training alone since I started weightlifting. No need someone who isn't going to help me increase my workrate, motivate me. But if I found someone like Dorian Yates partner, I would love to have them. Check out Dorian Yates training video, his partner is just like an army, yelling while motivating him.

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QUOTE(mikehuan @ May 17 2012, 10:24 PM)
i train alone as well. you'll get used to it. only thing that should concern you is your safety when doing free weights, haha.

and ignore negativity, everyone starts somewhere. just a matter of time before they shut up, if you do everything right
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It really takes time bro, I already train for 2 months + eat clean. I gained 6kg flex.gif

But my body is not noticeable and still skinny as shit. I guess I should work harder. wink.gif
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QUOTE(alien9 @ May 17 2012, 10:25 PM)
Don't bother them at all. Learn as much knowledge as you can in weightlifting, nutrition, etc2 and then show them the results from it. When you have the body like Mikehuan, MelForC3, and Darklight, then you will see who is laughing right?

I have been training alone since I started weightlifting. No need someone who isn't going to help me increase my workrate, motivate me. But if I found someone like Dorian Yates partner, I would love to have them. Check out Dorian Yates training video, his partner is just like an army, yelling while motivating him.
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ermmmm, you grouping me with THEM?! rclxub.gif rclxub.gif

totally out of my league LOL.
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QUOTE(WiLeKiyO @ May 17 2012, 10:28 PM)
It really takes time bro, I already train for 2 months + eat clean. I gained 6kg  flex.gif

But my body is not noticeable and still skinny as shit. I guess I should work harder.  wink.gif
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2 months is very short duration to see gains. people do this for years. in fact, i wont consider myself advanced until i reach my fifth year doing weights consistently.

patience is the key virtue here. however, being a beginner you should really take advantage of your beginner gains. start on programs like starting strength or 5/3/1
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QUOTE(mikehuan @ May 17 2012, 10:33 PM)
2 months is very short duration to see gains. people do this for years. in fact, i wont consider myself advanced until i reach my fifth year doing weights consistently.

patience is the key virtue here. however, being a beginner you should really take advantage of your beginner gains. start on programs like starting strength or 5/3/1
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First of all, you need to know whats the your TARGET. Set it and learn more about training and nutrition. Apply it on a plan and track it daily.
Always learn more by google search or youtube and train CONSISTENTLY.

By learning the right way and working hard, soon you are on your way. Keep it up smile.gif
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QUOTE(NutritionPro @ May 17 2012, 11:00 PM)
First of all, you need to know whats the your TARGET. Set it and learn more about training and nutrition. Apply it on a plan and track it daily.
Always learn more by google search or youtube and train CONSISTENTLY.

By learning the right way and working hard, soon you are on your way. Keep it up smile.gif
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Lol. Good advice nontheless
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Don't get why he quoted me on that..
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Just simply click on it and reply. Does it really matter much? If yes sorry for that smile.gif
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QUOTE(NutritionPro @ May 17 2012, 11:21 PM)
Just simply click on it and reply. Does it really matter much? If yes sorry for that smile.gif
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Got me wondering, thats all. Not really familiar with forum etiquette are you?


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QUOTE(NutritionPro @ May 17 2012, 11:21 PM)
Just simply click on it and reply. Does it really matter much? If yes sorry for that smile.gif
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Got me wondering, thats all. Not really familiar with forum etiquette are you?

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QUOTE(mikehuan @ May 17 2012, 11:16 PM)
Don't get why he quoted me on that..
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lol, it just appear that ur post is the last one. unfortunately.
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QUOTE(mikehuan @ May 17 2012, 11:54 PM)
Got me wondering, thats all. Not really familiar with forum etiquette are you?


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Got me wondering, thats all. Not really familiar with forum etiquette are you?
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lol grow up man yawn.gif sucha small matter , you still "complain" it . we are here to share info to help everyone no? why shud care sucha small matter? shocking.gif


Agree with Jamis cheer icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(Oxburg @ May 18 2012, 11:19 AM)
lol grow up man  yawn.gif sucha small matter , you still "complain" it . we are here to share info to help everyone no? why shud care sucha small matter?  shocking.gif
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Lol, and such small matters warrants a reply from you? Its forgotten. You let it go.
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QUOTE(Oxburg @ May 18 2012, 11:19 AM)
lol grow up man  yawn.gif sucha small matter , you still "complain" it . we are here to share info to help everyone no? why shud care sucha small matter?  shocking.gif
Agree with Jamis cheer  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Lol. Another one
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Guys, I not sure maybe I gained to much weight recently , even tough I'm thin but I have little belly fat.

Should I stop eating progressively ? Or I should focus more on my tummy ?



p.s: I eat clean, no fast food, no fried chicken, no junk food.

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QUOTE(WiLeKiyO @ May 18 2012, 10:31 PM)
Guys, I not sure maybe I gained to much weight recently , even tough I'm thin but I have little belly fat. 

Should I stop eating progressively ? Or I should focus more on my tummy ?
p.s: I eat clean, no fast food, no fried chicken, no junk food.
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Well, it is a normal when you are bulking. The calorie surplus will increase your fat mass and your muscle mass. A tip for you, try to reduce your calorie intake a little bit. Means that if you have 300 calorie surplus, reduce it to 200.
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QUOTE(alien9 @ May 18 2012, 11:06 PM)
Well, it is a normal when you are bulking. The calorie surplus will increase your fat mass and your muscle mass. A tip for you, try to reduce your calorie intake a little bit. Means that if you have 300 calorie surplus, reduce it to 200.
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not sure it works for u. unless u cut for competition, don't make cutting sound like a rocket science.
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QUOTE(alien9 @ May 18 2012, 11:06 PM)
Well, it is a normal when you are bulking. The calorie surplus will increase your fat mass and your muscle mass. A tip for you, try to reduce your calorie intake a little bit. Means that if you have 300 calorie surplus, reduce it to 200.
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I guess I reduce 1 scoop of mass gain ?

Stupid fat mad.gif


Btw, I gonna hit gym again tomorrow for my abs and leg workout. My back and arm still pain like hell. doh.gif

Thank you so much aline9 for giving me useful advises. notworthy.gif notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(janson_kaniaz @ May 18 2012, 11:11 PM)
not sure it works for u. unless u cut for competition, don't make cutting sound like a rocket science.
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From my opinion, you can either eat a large calorie surplus, maybe for 8 weeks and then you cut for 2 weeks or you can eat low calorie surplus and didn't need to do any cutting.


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I guess I reduce 1 scoop of mass gain ?

Stupid fat mad.gif
Btw, I gonna hit gym again tomorrow for my abs and leg workout. My back and arm still pain like hell.  doh.gif

Thank you so much aline9 for giving me useful advises.  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
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I'm just what I know. Maybe more experience people have a better opinion. I'm still learning here. The fat is not bad. Try to see a bodybuilder who is off season and you will see that they are bulking and have higher body fat percentage compared to their on season. 


QUOTE(WiLeKiyO @ May 18 2012, 10:31 PM)
Guys, I not sure maybe I gained to much weight recently , even tough I'm thin but I have little belly fat. 

Should I stop eating progressively ? Or I should focus more on my tummy ?
p.s: I eat clean, no fast food, no fried chicken, no junk food.
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Owh yea, btw, what do you mean by focus more on your tummy?

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QUOTE(alien9 @ May 18 2012, 11:16 PM)
From my opinion, you can either eat a large calorie surplus, maybe for 8 weeks and then you cut for 2 weeks or you can eat low calorie surplus and didn't need to do any cutting.


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I'm just what I know. Maybe more experience people have a better opinion. I'm still learning here. The fat is not bad. Try to see a bodybuilder who is off season and you will see that they are bulking and have higher body fat percentage compared to their on season. 
Owh yea, btw, what do you mean by focus more on your tummy?
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Workout such as sit ups that stress your tummy and abs (six packs).

I know it's hard for my muscle to grow without doing deadlift and squats. My Condo's gym no provide. doh.gif

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I recall Dan (or was it mikehuan or Alhpa doh.gif) mentioning that for bone issues, e.g. related to backache and joints, it's better to visit a chiropractor or a physiotherapist, as opposed to an orthopaedic.

Hope you guys can explain more on why that is so. And where's the most cost effective place I can visit in KL/SEL.

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QUOTE(WiLeKiyO @ May 19 2012, 02:38 AM)
Workout such as sit ups that stress your tummy and abs (six packs).

I know it's hard for my muscle to grow without doing deadlift and squats. My Condo's gym no provide. doh.gif
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can always use ur bodyweight + dumbell. i always do that when train at home.
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the whole trouble with nutrition and bodybuilding is that our body cannot tell the exact amount of food to eat... sometimes we think we are not eating enough but in fact we are wasting food when we over eat =.=

maybe you have a guide on like 200g meat a meal etc, but each of us have different absorption capabilities smile.gif
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QUOTE(DurianCoconut @ May 20 2012, 04:52 PM)
the whole trouble with nutrition and bodybuilding is that our body cannot tell the exact amount of food to eat... sometimes we think we are not eating enough but in fact we are wasting food when we over eat =.=

maybe you have a guide on like 200g meat a meal etc, but each of us have different absorption capabilities smile.gif
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this is in reply to ?

anyway, that's why before embarking on any kind of nutritional plan, people are advised to find out their maintenance calories first. Finding out at what calories does their body maintain and hence proceed from there to either eat at a surplus or deficit.
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I'm new to bb and wishing to start on a program next month. Does anyone know of a gym at Setapak or surrounding areas (e.g. genting kelang/melawati/wangsa maju/etc.) that has the following equipment? Pay per entry would be great. Thanks in advance!

Machines only:
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Slight incline/decline bench press

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guys, may i know why over months, my strength went up, but not weight? im still 62 KG, but my bench went from 40kg ~55kg, and leg press machine 40KG~60KG, but still my weight did not went up( the above lifts are not 1 rep max, it is 8 reps for 4 sets)

i know gaining weight is about calories in VS out, so i try eat as much, and i am pretty sure i reached about 2.8k calorie averagely, but still my weight fluctuates, sometimes it will go up to 64 but 1 week later back to 62 or 61

FYI* im 165cm 62KG
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QUOTE(VincentChen @ May 21 2012, 09:43 AM)
guys, may i know why over months, my strength went up, but not weight? im still 62 KG, but my bench went from 40kg ~55kg, and leg press machine 40KG~60KG, but still my weight did not went up( the above lifts are not 1 rep max, it is 8 reps for 4 sets)

i know gaining weight is about calories in VS out, so i try eat as much, and i am pretty sure i reached about 2.8k calorie averagely, but still my weight fluctuates, sometimes it will go up to 64 but 1 week later back to 62 or 61

FYI* im 165cm 62KG
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You might not be eating enough. The solution is obvious: to at least track for a week, before you get comfortable with the figures and stop tracking.

You might have also been losing fats.
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QUOTE(entryman @ May 21 2012, 12:02 PM)
You might not be eating enough. The solution is obvious: to at least track for a week, before you get comfortable with the figures and stop tracking.

You might have also been losing fats.
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i used some online calcutator and got my BMR of 1.6k, which is excluding daily activities, so i add another 1k~1.2k on top....

i think i should go at least 3k calories hmm.gif
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QUOTE(VincentChen @ May 21 2012, 01:16 PM)
i used some online calcutator and got my BMR of 1.6k, which is excluding daily activities, so i add another 1k~1.2k on top....

i think i should go at least 3k calories hmm.gif
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I believe your previous 2.8k is enough for now. Just make sure it really is 2.8k, through proper tracking.
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QUOTE(VincentChen @ May 21 2012, 09:43 AM)
guys, may i know why over months, my strength went up, but not weight? im still 62 KG, but my bench went from 40kg ~55kg, and leg press machine 40KG~60KG, but still my weight did not went up( the above lifts are not 1 rep max, it is 8 reps for 4 sets)

i know gaining weight is about calories in VS out, so i try eat as much, and i am pretty sure i reached about 2.8k calorie averagely, but still my weight fluctuates, sometimes it will go up to 64 but 1 week later back to 62 or 61

FYI* im 165cm 62KG
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Higher strength does not equal to big muscle. When you are in calorie deficit, you are surely wont be growing your muscle but you can increase your strength up to certain level.

If your weight is decreasing, there might be two possibilities. The first one is you measure your weight incorrectly. Measure your weight during early morning without consume any fluid and after you throw away all your urine and feces. If you sure that you take your weight measurement correctly, then see possibility number two. The second possibility is that you are in calorie deficit. Nuff said. Maybe you are tracking your calorie intake but maybe you do it wrong. For me, it is hard to count calorie if I eat outside. If I do the cooking, yes, I can count my calorie correctly.
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QUOTE(entryman @ May 21 2012, 01:35 PM)
I believe your previous 2.8k is enough for now. Just make sure it really is 2.8k, through proper tracking.
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hmm, i think i'll just try eat alil bit more then what i has been eating, cause i didnt really count exact calories, i count them by estimated, sometimes traditional chinese dinner, its hard to count them icon_question.gif

QUOTE(alien9 @ May 21 2012, 01:51 PM)
Higher strength does not equal to big muscle. When you are in calorie deficit, you are surely wont be growing your muscle but you can increase your strength up to certain level.

If your weight is decreasing, there might be two possibilities. The first one is you measure your weight incorrectly. Measure your weight during early morning without consume any fluid and after you throw away all your urine and feces. If you sure that you take your weight measurement correctly, then see possibility number two. The second possibility is that you are in calorie deficit. Nuff said. Maybe you are tracking your calorie intake but maybe you do it wrong. For me, it is hard to count calorie if I eat outside. If I do the cooking, yes, I can count my calorie correctly.
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i measured it morning after i poop laugh.gif ,if i eat outside, its easier to count, since probably if i eating outside it will be steak or pizzas or burger, if i eat at house, these rice, vege, meat, fish everything mixed, i dont really now how to count them laugh.gif
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QUOTE(VincentChen @ May 21 2012, 06:24 PM)
hmm, i think i'll just try eat alil bit more then what i has been eating, cause i didnt really count exact calories, i count them by estimated, sometimes traditional chinese dinner, its hard to count them icon_question.gif
i measured it morning after i poop laugh.gif ,if i eat outside, its easier to count, since probably if i eating outside it will be steak or pizzas or burger, if i eat at house, these rice, vege, meat, fish everything mixed, i dont really now how to count them laugh.gif
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More meat, until the cumulative size is that of a normal steak. As much vegetables and legumes as you can. Beans are your protein and carbs source. Leafy vegetables prevent you from getting sick. Less rice, or even better, no rice. Increase on the others. Two to four fruits as well. Avocado is great since its high in good fats, double the calories! One whole mango can give you lots of carbs and vitamins at the same time. Mixed salad with tuna is also a great choice since not only can you get the necessary complex carbs and abundant vitamins and minerals from it, you can also add some olive oil which is pure fats and contributes to calories.

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QUOTE(entryman @ May 21 2012, 06:29 PM)
More meat, until the cumulative size is that of a normal steak. As much vegetables and legumes as you can. Beans are your protein and carbs source. Leafy vegetables prevent you from getting sick. Less rice, or even better, no rice. Increase on the others. Two to four fruits as well. Avocado is great since its high in good fats, double the calories! One whole mango can give you lots of carbs and vitamins at the same time.
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so ur nottingham student right? then maybe you ate their chicken rice? can i know how much calories is in that chicken rice with breast + extra meat ? then i can compare that with some of the meal i ate at my house for more accurate estimate biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(VincentChen @ May 21 2012, 06:36 PM)
so ur nottingham student right? then maybe you ate their chicken rice? can i know how much calories is in that chicken rice with breast + extra meat ? then i can compare that with some of the meal i ate at my house for more accurate estimate  biggrin.gif
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Will get back to you on the exact figure. Been a long time since I count, lol.

For now, my rough estimate for chicken rice (roasted chicken + oil rice) plus extra meat is about 600 calories.
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Will get back to you on the exact figure. Been a long time since I count, lol.

For now, my rough estimate for chicken rice (roasted chicken + oil rice) plus extra meat is about 600 calories.
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wow, so little only, i thought it was around 700 nod.gif thank you so much man, it means i count most of my calorie wrong, i need to eat MOREEEEEEEEE laugh.gif
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QUOTE(VincentChen @ May 21 2012, 06:43 PM)
wow, so little only, i thought it was around 700 nod.gif thank you so much man, it means i count most of my calorie wrong, i need to eat MOREEEEEEEEE  laugh.gif
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Could be 700 also.

If I were to eat about two pieces of deboned skinless chicken breast (about 250g), that would be roughly 250 calories.
I would use about 2 tablespoon of oil to fry it. 1 tablespoon of oil is about 130 calories. Total that would be 260 calories.

Subtotal = 510 calories.

1 cup of white rice would be about 200 calories. Oil rice, probably about 250 calories?

Total: 760 calories.

I was working on the assumption that you are eating less chicken than this. wow, my initial estimation not too bad hahaha

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really paid attention at upper body, when comes to lower..especially legs.. suddenly hurts la, fell hungry..
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calorie count is good, but dont rely on it too much. when some calculator says u need 3kcal and u r not growing, u r not eating enough. common sense is better...
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calorie count is good, but dont rely on it too much. when some calculator says u need 3kcal and u r not growing, u r not eating enough. common sense is better...
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WTA noob question here, pre=before post=after, if intra?? xtend need to drink before/after/during workout?
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WTA noob question here, pre=before post=after, if intra?? xtend need to drink before/after/during workout?
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really paid attention at upper body, when comes to lower..especially legs.. suddenly hurts la, fell hungry..
need motivation dear forum er  ,
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is only your mind... i had that back then bt now i go crazy with every part hehe...

big body, small leg = imbalance

try work it out..

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WTA noob question here, pre=before post=after, if intra?? xtend need to drink before/after/during workout?
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intra is during workout.

No hard rules here. I take bcaa before workouts. Generally people use it as an intra workout supp, since they got supps for pre and post already lol. I don't use pre workouts so I can take it at the beginning
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QUOTE(afan92 @ May 21 2012, 07:01 PM)
really paid attention at upper body, when comes to lower..especially legs.. suddenly hurts la, fell hungry..
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U really need to pay attention on lower body training. Because testosterone level is going up during larger muscle group training such as squat, deadlift, etc. the more muscle group engaged, the stronger stimulation of testosterone! It can promote muscle growth after your workout!

So don't be lazy!
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my belly not reduced after many time sit up.. how to solve? jogging like hell to sweat but still no different. just my leg muscle in good shape (under knee).. guys! help me..
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wheres the abhancer pic? someone post it lol.

read stickies, this damn question has been answered a billion times.

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check your diet.
sit ups dont work.

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QUOTE(mhisyam6 @ May 22 2012, 10:59 AM)
my belly not reduced after many time sit up.. how to solve? jogging like hell to sweat but still no different. just my leg muscle in good shape (under knee).. guys! help me..
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dude, if u wanna reduce fat level, check out ur diet.. thats the key smile.gif
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dude, if u wanna reduce fat level, check out ur diet.. thats the key smile.gif
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eat large twice a day.. morning and afternoon.. but the food not balance.. for saving, i just eat a lot of rice, fried chicken and curry.. hehe~ how to saving while diet?
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last time before i start lifting weight, i do diet.. most of the time i take veggie and white rice, is small portion..

gotta agree with you, it never be cheap if really wanna eat nice "clean" food.. cook urself tongue.gif thats cheap.. i have been doing it for quite some time. Save lots of $$

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QUOTE(MelForC3 @ May 22 2012, 11:25 AM)
last time before i start lifting weight, i do diet.. most of the time i take veggie and white rice, is small portion..

gotta agree with you, it never be cheap if really wanna eat nice "clean" food.. cook urself tongue.gif thats cheap.. i have been doing it for quite some time. Save lots of $$
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currently doing practical training, no time to back home to cook. so, I need to eat small portion only? but why my belly size not reduce if I don't eat at all?
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QUOTE(mhisyam6 @ May 22 2012, 11:29 AM)
currently doing practical training, no time to back home to cook. so, I need to eat small portion only? but why my belly size not reduce if I don't eat at all?
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it got to drill down on what u eat, besides u may even gain fat and lose muscle if ur diet is bad.
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it got to drill down on what u eat, besides u may even gain fat and lose muscle if ur diet is bad.
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can also lose muscle too? I must start to change my diet now.. hey Jamis! you don't visit your baggy pant thread? I want one.
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QUOTE(VincentChen @ May 21 2012, 06:24 PM)
hmm, i think i'll just try eat alil bit more then what i has been eating, cause i didnt really count exact calories, i count them by estimated, sometimes traditional chinese dinner, its hard to count them icon_question.gif
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That is why I don't like to eat outside, since I don't know how much oil, salt, fat etc2 in a meal. Right now, I always cook at home. Just ate my lunch and this is my macro nutrition for the meal.
25 gram of CED Peanut Butter (2 tablespoons) = p 7.3g, c 2.2g, f 12.7g
3 First Choice Egg = p 25.5g, c 0g, f 22.0g
1 can of BlueBay Shredded Tuna = p 45.9, c 0g, f 0.4g
30 gram of Planta (3 tablespoons) = p 0g, c 0g, f 24.6 g
Total: 859 kcal, p 78g, 2g, f 59 g

Simple right?


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QUOTE(mhisyam6 @ May 22 2012, 10:59 AM)
my belly not reduced after many time sit up.. how to solve? jogging like hell to sweat but still no different. just my leg muscle in good shape (under knee).. guys! help me..
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Have you even google on how to lose the belly fat? I know you didn't, that is why you ask that kind of question. But then, if you didn't even try to google, how do you know that sit up can reduce your tummy in the first place? I just want to know, not bashing you. Just want to know why do you opted for sit up to lose your belly fat.
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QUOTE(afan92 @ May 21 2012, 07:01 PM)
really paid attention at upper body, when comes to lower..especially legs.. suddenly hurts la, fell hungry..
need motivation dear forum er  ,
and god of muscle of cause..
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It is a waste of you don't train your lower body. Testosterone, one of the main element in building your muscle will be generate more when you are doing exercises that engages lots of muscle @ compound exercise. And what is the best compound exercises? I would say the big 3 which is Squat, Deadlift and Bench. 2 of these exercises are lower body exercise and by not doing them, you just waste a great opportunity.
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can also lose muscle too? I must start to change my diet now.. hey Jamis! you don't visit your baggy pant thread? I want one.
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Adui, i think i send u a pm... may be i forgot to press the send XD. Size 3 right? just found out i left one.

Yes yes, bad diet can cause u to lose muscle (muscle break down)
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Adui, i think i send u a pm... may be i forgot to press the send XD. Size 3 right? just found out i left one.

Yes yes, bad diet can cause u to lose muscle (muscle break down)
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Have not been training for a month and I'm losing weight! Seems like I've gained more fats and losing lean mass. Oh no!!
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It is a waste of you don't train your lower body. Testosterone, one of the main element in building your muscle will be generate more when you are doing exercises that engages lots of muscle @ compound exercise. And what is the best compound exercises? I would say the big 3 which is Squat, Deadlift and Bench. 2 of these exercises are lower body exercise and by not doing them, you just waste a great opportunity.
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Testosterone will effect sex desire right? What else it will affect? metabolism?
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QUOTE(chastise @ May 22 2012, 02:32 PM)
Have not been training for a month and I'm losing weight! Seems like I've gained more fats and losing lean mass. Oh no!!
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You consume your calorie surplus yet you don't consume enough protein thus your body start to breakdown your muscle to get protein.


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Testosterone will effect sex desire right? What else it will affect? metabolism?
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In men, testosterone plays a key role in the development of male reproductive tissues such as the testis and prostate as well as promoting secondary sexual characteristics such as increased muscle, bone mass, and the growth of body hair. In addition, testosterone is essential for health and well-being as well as the prevention of osteoporosis.

~Taken from wikipedia~

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QUOTE(alien9 @ May 22 2012, 02:40 PM)
You consume your calorie surplus yet you don't consume enough protein thus your body start to breakdown your muscle to get protein.


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In men, testosterone plays a key role in the development of male reproductive tissues such as the testis and prostate as well as promoting secondary sexual characteristics such as increased muscle, bone mass, and the growth of body hair. In addition, testosterone is essential for health and well-being as well as the prevention of osteoporosis.

~Taken from wikipedia~
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Yes, i know and actually, it's the body burning the muscle for energy because I don't have enough protein intake to fuel the muscle to be exact.

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Have not been training for a month and I'm losing weight! Seems like I've gained more fats and losing lean mass. Oh no!!
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dont think you'll see a significant muscle loss if u didnt train for a month

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increase in test: increase in libido

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dont think you'll see a significant muscle loss if u didnt train for a month
increase in test: increase in libido
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Not that significant but not as pumped. Screw up my macros as well. Oh well, have to be determined to start up again I guess.

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Not that significant but not as pumped. Screw up my macros as well. Oh well, have to be determined to start up again I guess.
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lol i screw up my macros ALL the time. its fine. you'll get a jump start once you start training again.


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Yes, i know and actually, it's the body burning the muscle for energy because I don't have enough protein intake to fuel the muscle to be exact.
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kinda. it deteriorates not because the body is burning the muscles away, its because you're not using them, and also not enough protein to maintain them.

in the end proteins are still cals. if your muscles dont need use up the protein its still gonna be converted to fat stores.

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QUOTE(mikehuan @ May 22 2012, 02:59 PM)
lol i screw up my macros ALL the time. its fine. you'll get a jump start once you start training again.


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kinda. it deteriorates not because the body is burning the muscles away, its because you're not using them, and also not enough protein to maintain them.

in the end proteins are still cals. if your muscles dont need use up the protein its still gonna be converted to fat stores.
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Just couldn't resist those rice with babi gulings and bebeks during my recent trip to bali. I have had my possibly usual whole month's carb intake in 5 days! lol...
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i find this article to be particularly useful. might be flame material, but whatever. i think it makes sense.
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QUOTE(mikehuan @ May 22 2012, 03:50 PM)
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_articl...on_of_an_expert

i find this article to be particularly useful. might be flame material, but whatever. i think it makes sense.
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I really like the "Don't spend much time listening to someone talk about something they've never done." quote. Makes perfect sense when it comes to fitness.
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QUOTE(-Dan @ May 22 2012, 04:16 PM)
I really like the "Don't spend much time listening to someone talk about something they've never done." quote. Makes perfect sense when it comes to fitness.
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Totally agreed with you man. How can they know about something if they just know theoretically, but never put their knowledge practically. Another thing that I hate is trainer who doesn't in fit condition yet teaching others to be fit, and fat people to lose fat.
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QUOTE(mikehuan @ May 22 2012, 03:50 PM)
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_articl...on_of_an_expert

i find this article to be particularly useful. might be flame material, but whatever. i think it makes sense.
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i like this

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QUOTE(alien9 @ May 22 2012, 02:06 PM)
That is why I don't like to eat outside, since I don't know how much oil, salt, fat etc2 in a meal. Right now, I always cook at home. Just ate my lunch and this is my macro nutrition for the meal.
25 gram of CED Peanut Butter (2 tablespoons) = p 7.3g, c 2.2g, f 12.7g
3 First Choice Egg = p 25.5g, c 0g, f 22.0g
1 can of BlueBay Shredded Tuna = p 45.9, c 0g, f 0.4g
30 gram of Planta (3 tablespoons) = p 0g, c 0g, f 24.6 g
Total: 859 kcal, p 78g, 2g, f 59 g

Simple right?
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i dont know why, but i somewhat hates peanut butter, or maybe just the brand i eat, im using steffi peanut butter, i find them quite fillings, meaning i eat 3 bread with peanut butter, i felt so full already, and there isnt really much calories hmm.gif
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Hi, I'm beginner on body building, Can anyone provide me some routine on body building?

172CM and weight is 75kg which over fat i think >.<
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Beginner? The best routine for beginner would be the routine than have a lot of compound exercises. Why? Google that. You can also google about Starting Strength by Rippetoe, Stronglifts 5x5 by Mehdi, 5/3/1 by Weider, Big but Boring.
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Hi all,

I want to ask about something. Last week (last Friday), i increase weight in my Squat and DL. But untill now, there is pain in my lowerback and glutes area. Only feel this pain when i sit. Not sharp but a tender pain. Before this, i felt sore for a day only.

Is this normal when we increased the weight? Should i skip squat and DL? I am doing 5x5 SL. Thanks for reply.
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QUOTE(kicksense @ May 22 2012, 11:01 PM)
Hi all,

I want to ask about something. Last week (last Friday), i increase weight in my Squat and DL.  But untill now, there is pain in my lowerback and glutes area. Only feel this pain when i sit. Not sharp but a tender pain. Before this, i felt sore for a day only.

Is this normal when we increased the weight? Should i skip squat and DL? I am doing 5x5 SL. Thanks for reply.
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If you are doing Stronglifts, it mean that you only add 5lbs weight right? If your usual soreness only happened one day (for every workout) and this time you feel the pain differently, maybe you should take a little break. Muscle soreness is good but something else is bad. Maybe you had a bad form on your squat?
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@alien9 : Yes. yup I was thinking the same too. Maybe I should take a little break. Did you guys do any stretching after squat and DL?

@razorboy : My office can't view any videos. I'll view it at home.

thanx guys!
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QUOTE(kicksense @ May 23 2012, 12:02 AM)
@alien9 : Yes. yup I was thinking the same too. Maybe I should take a little break. Did you guys do any stretching after squat and DL?

@razorboy : My office can't view any videos. I'll view it at home.

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or maybe you can do squat. do you do dynamic warm up on your exercise? if you feel that you have little discomfort while warming up, then you should stop. If you didn't feel anything, then go for it
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QUOTE(alien9 @ May 22 2012, 02:13 PM)
It is a waste of you don't train your lower body. Testosterone, one of the main element in building your muscle will be generate more when you are doing exercises that engages lots of muscle @ compound exercise. And what is the best compound exercises? I would say the big 3 which is Squat, Deadlift and Bench. 2 of these exercises are lower body exercise and by not doing them, you just waste a great opportunity.
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uhm
not to say compound are sucks,they're good for newbies
just to share
http://irondungeon.org/forum/index.php?topic=4767.0
(written by IFBB pro bob cicherillo,i always like his way when comes to bodybuilding)

btw,i dont do back squat and deadlift
my glutes develop faster than any part of my body by doing them LOL

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@theCrab : my squat really help me develop my leg. But DL, still dont see any significant muscle improvement after 5months training. But i noticed that my strength increased abit. Still got long way to go to be like other big bro here. smile.gif
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QUOTE(theCrab @ May 23 2012, 12:08 AM)
uhm
not to say compound are sucks,they're good for newbies
just to share
http://irondungeon.org/forum/index.php?topic=4767.0
(written by IFBB pro bob cicherillo,i always like his way when comes to bodybuilding)

btw,i dont do back squat and deadlift
my glutes develop faster than any part of my body by doing them LOL
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I would say that it is the matter of preferences. I do respect his opinion but most of it comes from his 25 years of experience. Who am I to argue with him when my experience is just shy of 1 year. Hahaha. But then, from my experience, you need to develop the overall strength for your body before you start doing ISOs.
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QUOTE(alien9 @ May 23 2012, 12:26 AM)
I would say that it is the matter of preferences. I do respect his opinion but most of it comes from his 25 years of experience. Who am I to argue with him when my experience is just shy of 1 year. Hahaha. But then, from my experience, you need to develop the overall strength for your body before you start doing ISOs.
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no la
just sharing bro,dont get me wrong
i still suggest newbie do compound movement such as squat and deadlift
me myself still doing barbell row

just i agree with his preference to squat,before that i was keep squatting for a year half and i got a f***ing big glutes until i switch to hack squat and front squat.and some of his words make sense

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QUOTE(alien9 @ May 23 2012, 12:26 AM)
I would say that it is the matter of preferences. I do respect his opinion but most of it comes from his 25 years of experience. Who am I to argue with him when my experience is just shy of 1 year. Hahaha. But then, from my experience, you need to develop the overall strength for your body before you start doing ISOs.
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He wasn't talking about 'compounds vs isolation' exercises per se. It was more of a 'compounds vs other variations of said compound' article. And it was from a solely bodybuilding POV as well. So yeah, it does still come down to what a person's goals are.


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no la
just sharing bro,dont get me wrong
i still suggest newbie do compound movement such as squat and deadlift
me myself still doing barbell row

just i agree with his preference to squat,before that i was keep squatting for a year half and i got a f***ing big glutes until i switch to hack squat and front squat.and some of his words make sense
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This should be a good thing. Chicks dig firm rear ends. laugh.gif

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QUOTE(-Dan @ May 23 2012, 12:33 AM)
He wasn't talking about 'compounds vs isolation' exercises per se. It was more of a 'compounds vs other variations of said compound' article. And it was from a solely bodybuilding POV as well. So yeah, it does still come down to what a person's goals are.


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This should be a good thing. Chicks dig firm rear ends.  laugh.gif
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ah yea...i am more to bodybuilding ...i dont actually care how much i am rowing as long i get pump thats good
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Watched this a long time ago. My favourite part, personally, was the "people should really know better" part with the guy doing a photoshoot at the beach.
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some funny things to share TROLOLOLOL
http://fabodylous.com/2012/05/the-incredib...-diet-plan.html
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fabodylous is really big n ripped....
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I am now learning how to use the assisted dip chin machine. i noticed that there are many "handles" at the top part. which is for which muscle groups?
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QUOTE(theCrab @ May 23 2012, 12:35 AM)
ah yea...i am more to bodybuilding ...i dont actually care how much i am rowing as long i get pump thats good
strength is bonus for me  biggrin.gif
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I started with the powerlifter type hence the wide stance squat but I still want to see the 'big muscles' on my body and thanks to -Dan cause telling me about PHAT. A very good combination of powerlifter and bodybuilding.


And I've re read the article and yeah, the author didn't entirely bash compound but more to say that compound isn't the best exercises that every bodybuilder must do.
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starting to squat back after long rest due to second knee pop. feel's good but still light weight. doing 5 x 5 for until Ramadhan perhaps.
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QUOTE(andyfriends @ May 23 2012, 10:33 AM)
I am now learning how to use the assisted dip chin machine.  i noticed that there are many "handles" at the top part.  which is for which muscle groups?
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chin machine? I think usually there would be two handle right? The long vertical one and the 'middle' one. Both handles target the back but the easiest one is the middle handle. The hardest one is the vertical, if you put your arms at the end of it. You can only do that if you already have a big developed strong lats
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QUOTE(alien9 @ May 23 2012, 10:52 AM)
chin machine? I think usually there would be two handle right? The long vertical one and the 'middle' one. Both handles target the back but the easiest one is the middle handle. The hardest one is the vertical, if you put your arms at the end of it. You can only do that if you already have a big developed strong lats
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the one i saw at the gym is something like this. How do we use the attached weight? the lighter the easier?
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set the weight, the heavier is easier. The weight will reduce the weight that you need to pull. Lets say I am 200 lbs and I use a 50 lbs weight, so I just pulling 150lbs, that is assisted. If you use no weight, that would be unassisted/bodyweight. If you add weight (dumbbell/plates to your body), that would be weighted.

How to use this machine assisted? Choose appropriate weight and step on the red step. by the look of it, maybe you kneel on it.
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Right bicep lifts 10kgs, 10 reps. left bicep lifts 10kgs, 6rep
Left chest is bigger than right chest
My left shoulder is higher than my right shoulder hence, making my right hand longer my 1cm
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QUOTE(alien9 @ May 23 2012, 11:00 AM)
set the weight, the heavier is easier. The weight will reduce the weight that you need to pull. Lets say I am 200 lbs and I use a 50 lbs weight, so I just pulling 150lbs, that is assisted. If you use no weight, that would be unassisted/bodyweight. If you add weight (dumbbell/plates to your body), that would be weighted.

How to use this machine assisted? Choose appropriate weight and step on the red step. by the look of it, maybe you kneel on it.
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Oh, I was right. For weight, it has to be the opposite compared to the other machine. the heavier the easier.
What about the hand grip given that there are 3 different positions at the top. which is for which?

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