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post Apr 27 2012, 01:38 PM

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QUOTE(janson_kaniaz @ Apr 26 2012, 11:03 PM)
how far can u go with push-ups really, muscle-building wise?
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Not true, you can do one-handed push ups.

You can work up to a really really good strength level with just BW exercises alone - many of which are harder than weights.

Just to clarify, I lift weights because I like it. But I also climb with several hardcore climbers and they beat me pound for pound strengthwise.

Pull ups, BTN Pull up, muscle up, one-handed pull up, flags, pistol squats - all are not easy at all.

But you probably won't get ripped from em unless you have really great genes.

Yeah I forgot - handstand pushups too are a killer......

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post Apr 27 2012, 04:14 PM

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Agree with you on hypertrophy. Weights are always gonna be more efficient and have trackable progress.

But for someone who doesn't want to pay for a gym, assuming they are disciplined enough can build a reasonable amount of muscle with no weights. Check out the "ghetto workouts" video on youtube.

Assume handstand pushup for someone at 70kgs. assuming you do one, that is more or less a 160lb military press - which is a lot of weight! While progressive overload can be done by increasing reps not just weight.

There is a limit though I agree.
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post Jun 11 2012, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(WiLeKiyO @ Jun 11 2012, 12:51 AM)
A bit shy to ask, Today I was doing Lat Row and my balls suddenly pain.  sweat.gif

I try to Google and I found this :

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Is this normal ? Start to worry now  shocking.gif
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Please go for checkup immediately. For your long-term health.

This is one of the symptoms of hernia. Especially around lower lumbar area.

I'm serious.
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post Jun 16 2012, 01:50 AM

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QUOTE(reddevilchoo @ Jun 16 2012, 12:01 AM)
Alright, can I do these 2 exercises together then?

Because I will train lats first, then middle back and last lower back.

Example:

Wide-grip pull up, pendley rows / dumbbell rows & deadlift

Is it okay?
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It depends on your form.

Good form, good growth. Bad form, you're in for trouble.

Personally for me, I barely do the classic deadlift anymore and sometimes I throw in a few (light) sets of straight leg deads on leg day

Tweaked my back really really badly a few months a go with admittedly poor form while warming up on 2 plates a side (only ard 200-220 give or take).

Took me 2 1/2 weeks to feel "normal" again and thank god no hernia.

Scary knowing slightly sloppy form on such light weights can put you in a world of pain (my max lift was around 320lbs + bar) and I couldn't lie on my back for 3 days. Was so shit scared I'd need surgery on a hernia.

Now I just use the ***** back extension machine.
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post Jun 22 2012, 12:11 AM

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QUOTE(Decky @ Jun 21 2012, 11:32 PM)
The owner's around?

I'll go on then. Thanks, if I run into trouble again, I guess I'll consult my consultant to see what's up. Maybe it's because I'm the skinniest guy in the gym usually lol.
Oh and one more Q. The weights are always unorganized and messed up so is it okay if lets say I want to do 10KG on each side of the bar, so I put 2x 2.5kg + 1x 5kg and 1x10KG on the otherside?
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I train at J33 too and I think your form was either off or it "looked" off because people were staring at you. Don't worry keep training and those people and PTs will respect you. smile.gif

I front squat with heavier weights and the PTs leave me alone hehe.

Don't use plates of different sizes if possible. Although the weights are "technically" the same, the distribution is all wrong. As you progress through to heavier weights, the heavier the weights with wrong distribution the worse the impact on your body. You'd probably end up favoring one side, and overtraining it or pull something.
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post Jul 2 2012, 04:18 PM

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QUOTE(kubuk @ Jul 2 2012, 01:07 PM)
Yeah. I just do a clean to get it into front squat position. But does it work the legs the same?

I tried getting a 60kg barbell onto my back by doing a clean, shoulder press and then load it onto my back this morning. Back feels like crap while loading it probably cause I had to round my back. The part my arms had to go behind my neck feels scary. Like my arms are gonna get pulled off.Never gonna do it again. Especially if I'm sleepy from watching last night's final lol.
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If you keep doing that, its a hernia waiting to happen.

And trust me, you DON'T want a hernia. tongue.gif


Added on July 2, 2012, 4:21 pm
QUOTE(mikehuan @ Jul 2 2012, 12:38 PM)
hack and front squats are a good alternative to conventional ones. however without a rack how you gonna do front squats?
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If you are a sadist, you can do zerchers. smile.gif

They are "safe" but try not to write anything until your arms get used to it...........

Alternatively, db split squats.

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post Jul 3 2012, 12:48 AM

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QUOTE(alien9 @ Jul 2 2012, 10:47 PM)
True but it beats nothing compared to back squat.

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Sorry but that's bro-science.

There's no doubt squat is an effective muscle builder but there's no scientific evidence to suggest it is THE most effective muscle/strength builder.

It depends on ones goals and how the body responds. I've stopped doing back squats for 1 year and replaced with front squats + lunges. I find without heavy back squats I can do two serious exercises instead of one serious and one half-assed and thus, more growth.

Not suggesting everyone is like me - just that, different people different needs. Not everything Rippetoe says is the gospel.
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post Jul 3 2012, 11:14 AM

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QUOTE(alien9 @ Jul 3 2012, 12:54 AM)
Nothing beats back squat compared to other exercise. Exercise per exercise. You give example by combining front squat+lunges; same with the example I gave about hack squat+DB Bulgarian Split Squat.

You see, back squat works all the lower body muscle. The quad, hams, glutes, hip abductor, the stabilizer muscles and the core, the traps. If kubuk just doing one exercise, be it front squat or leg press or hack squat or smith squat, he won't be gaining what back squats can provide hence the need of the secondary exercises. Ibrahimovic knows about it that is why he is pairing a hack squat with DB Bulgarian Split.

Do read my statement according to context instead of just taking a part of it.
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I'm sorry but I have to disagree.

Firstly, back squats activates many different muscles I agree but all to different extents. You can't seriously suggest you get a good core workout just by doing squats. You'd still need to do ab and core work separately.

Secondly, there are many different styles of back squats - bar and leg placement can change emphasis on different muscle groups. There is "BB style" where you hold the bar high on our back behind shoulders. There is olympic style where the stance is wide, and then there is powerlifting style where the bar sits lower on the upper back.

Even then it still depends on someones individual biomechanics. Powerlifting style in strict form tries to leverage on glute muscles but trades off on quads, while standard back squat BB style is not an effective glute builder.

Last but not least, I doubt anyone goes to the gym just to do one exercise. Since squat as you say activates many muscle groups going hard and heavy on back squats may leave one too drained to do anything other than accessory exercises. For me, I find, if I do front squats + lunges I still retain enough in the tank for heavier lunges after front squats since I save my glutes for the lunges. YMMV - thats the beauty of lifting, its individual. smile.gif


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post Jul 3 2012, 01:23 PM

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QUOTE(alien9 @ Jul 3 2012, 12:11 PM)

You can't train you leg stabilizers doing smith squat or arm stabilizers doing smith bench press right? And you can't train your core by doing leg press right?

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No, but you can train them through lunges which can be as good as squats. wink.gif

I don't wanna argue on this topic, but from my experience (which may relate to me only, YMMV), squat is overrated as a "total muscle builder" and I learned it the hard way by being overly focused on back squats and not focused enough on the accessory training.

At that point (1 year back) I figured heav back squats was all that was needed (besides RDL for hammies and glute-ham raises) and long story short I suffered a nasty ITB pull due to muscle imbalances that left me hobbling for more than 1 month. All because my hip flexors and adductors were nastily undertrained compared to my quads.

I now train adductors once a fortnight. smile.gif
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post Jul 3 2012, 04:08 PM

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QUOTE(Ibrahimovic @ Jul 3 2012, 01:32 PM)
So do you think hack squat + split squat is enough or should lunges should also be incorporated once in a while?
Ah for me, I play football or futsal twice once a week. Still remember everyone being suprised after I improve so much in sprinting and balancing after doing squat smile.gif
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Haha I have love-hate relationship with lunges.
Love cos it is such a useful and versatile exercise, can improve all your lower body muscles depending on which way you do it.
Hate cos it is painful and hard to do! tongue.gif

But if u wanna improve your stamina which is important for football, try doing walking lunge with light weight or even body weight. Like lunging 200m around the gym w body weight, sounds easy but it is not if you maintain strict form!

As a bonus, do it after heavy hack squats, let us know if you feel like dying haha.
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post Jul 7 2012, 12:42 AM

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QUOTE(adix4 @ Jul 6 2012, 03:35 PM)
let me show you my COLLEGE DIET.

pls take note my Uni DOESN'T have any pantry so we can't cook

supps: Protein Whey ( have to buy this because small portion of chicken cost me around 2-3 ) + Creatine

Breakfast in room after wake up - HL Milk + 2 scoops of Whey
Breakfast at Campus - Roti telur/ Maggi goreng telur + HL Milk
Lunch - Go mamak and get 3-4 telur rebus, Chicken and nasi putih with sayur
pre workout - Roti nan
post - protein whey + dinner ( lots of funny stuff like spaghetti, teh o ais and shits )
supper lepak malam - maggi goreng ayam + telur

No tuna cos its fukken expensive

apparently whey cost MUCH CHEAPER than a small portion of chicken RM2-3

not to mention DINNER PLATE twice a week  whistling.gif  whistling.gif

THANK YOU GOVERNMENT FOR THE MONEY

anyways

so last sem i should have gotten myself

- Wholemeal bread
- peanut butter


Added on July 6, 2012, 3:36 pmthinking of doing snatch + power clean + jerk

i need someone to look at my form ( will upload vids )

anyways my lower back is in pain (week 2) and also i have tendonitis now.
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Yep definitely get peanut butter.
Get eggs too - lots of eggs. You can eat it raw (if you dare) or just pop into boiling water for few minutes.
Instant oats is damn good too - let me give you my recipe, 1 part instant oats, 1 part hot boiling water (1:1 ratio or if you like it less water) then 1-2 scoops chunky Peanut Butter + 1-2 tbspoon honey. Damn amazing breakfast. You can add 1-2 scoop fullcream milk powder and it will taste even more awesome (before you add boiling water).
Nuts - peanut, cashews, almonds
Fish oil
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post Jul 8 2012, 09:49 PM

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QUOTE(adix4 @ Jul 8 2012, 08:01 PM)
thank god only 2 of my friends stick

i have a friend who buy testesteorone, animal pack, serious mass etc and all brands that i never heard of

he end up getting himself a pair of dumbbells etc.

when i ask him to go to gym

" i dowan to become big, i just want to naik sikit sikit "

and not to mention only do upper body

trying to be a good guy giving him very SHORT LINKS and very short things to read

a version of tl;dr fitness related

he don't want to read  doh.gif  doh.gif

same excuse dowan be big
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Consider it a good thing bro!

The less people look awesome, the more unique you look, and thus the more you standout. biggrin.gif

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post Jul 10 2012, 12:57 AM

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I do my OHP seated, with dumbbells.

I did try standing OHP (military presses) but heavier weights doesn't agree with me, causing major stress on my lower back (dunno if imbalance?) no matter how hard I try to keep upright.

One thing to note about Smith Machine OHP is to watch for your wrists, I screwed up my wrists quite badly doing high-volume work on the smith for OHPs. It may be just my individual biomechanics, but I find when I go a little lower than ideal on the smith (unavoidable when fatigued) it puts major pressure on my wrists.
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QUOTE(gannicholas @ Jul 11 2012, 10:36 AM)
Sifus  flex.gif
Let's just say i worked on my Chest, Shoulders and Triceps on Monday
Biceps, Abs and Back on Tuesday
Today's wednesday, and i'm planning to work on my Chest, Shoulders and Triceps once again
But the thing is, those muscle group had 48 hours of rest but they're still aching
Chest ache if if my hands are straight, i move my left hand to my right thighs. right hand to my left thighs if you know what i mean
Triceps ache if my hands are straight
Shoulder seems fine i guess  hmm.gif
Should i work those muscle group out or should i rest and prob work out on legs or do some light cardio?
Thanks  icon_rolleyes.gif
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How many times are you doing chest shoulders and triceps? 3x a week?? Not only is it excessive its counterproductive.

Do legs, then take a break tmr.

Working out without sufficient recovery time is a recipe for a sub-par workout.......you may as well take a rest or work another part and hit it with a vengeance when fresh.

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QUOTE(MelForC3 @ Jul 11 2012, 11:26 AM)
DJJD: How long do u take to complete your workout? because i can see u train 3 parts at once...
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Nope I only train one-two bodyparts a day but I train 5-6 days a week (cos I got no life yo!) biggrin.gif

Chest (+ 1 set triceps)
Back (+ 1 set forearms/biceps)
Legs (Quads + Hams)
Shoulders (+ calves)
Arms (bi+tri)
Plus One (this is a special day in which I keep as a "spare" to work on what I wanna focus on. For example, I may do back twice a week if I feel some areas are lagging, or chest. Sometimes I do high freq low weight work, sometimes just BW workouts and sometimes if I'm tired just a little core work + cardio). Help keeps it interesting and spices it up a little.

Rest day (cardio at home, or swimming).

All in all usually 1 hour max at the gym, but never less than 45 mins.


Added on July 11, 2012, 11:33 am
QUOTE(gannicholas @ Jul 11 2012, 11:12 AM)
Twice per week
Thanks btw!
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If its only 2x a week make sure there's adequate rest period in between.

There shouldn't be any reason why you are only resting 24-48 hours between heavy chest/tri work......

Space it out more, but hit the weight room harder.

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QUOTE(gannicholas @ Jul 11 2012, 11:38 AM)
What if i workout my Chest, Shoulders and Triceps when its still aching a lil' bit. Will it effect my muscle growth?  hmm.gif
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Hard to say, everyone is different.

From my experience it will definitely mess with your performance - but thats just me.

The better question is, why would you feel so concerned about doing chest tri n shoulders again when you havent done legs? Don't have chicken legs bro. wink.gif
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QUOTE(gannicholas @ Jul 11 2012, 11:54 AM)
I feel like working out my Chest, Shoulders and Triceps because i missed one Chest, Shoulders and Triceps workout last week, thats why  sweat.gif
I will never leave my legs, that  why i dont worry about legs much  sweat.gif
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The iron game is measured in years not days weeks or even months.

Dont worry about one missed workout too much, especially if youre still sore. Instead hit another part with a vengeance. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(TechnoG @ Jul 22 2012, 10:02 PM)
just asking a stupid question.

Is there anyway to get huge arms? I know that that spot reduction doesn't work, but does spot addition work? tongue.gif I feel that my arms doesn't really have the 'size'..it does pop out of my shirt if I bend my elbow, but is it possible to like make it obvious even when I'm not bending my elbow?

Don't worry bout my bottom, I don't want to look like a chicken either. biggrin.gif
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Good genetics.

Arm size unfortunately is highly dependent on genetics + overall size.

If you have good genes you can have disproportionately large arms. If not, and you have average/lousy genes, then you will need to be "big" before you get big arms.

Most people can't be popeye sadly.
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Leg day yesterday and I tried out a new routine: Death By Squats! biggrin.gif

First, low rep heavy back squats till I reached by 3 rep max for 3x.

Then, switch the bar over to front squats, high rep (relatively) low weight.

Felt like dying, and walking up stairs is hell today, but whaddya know I still think it was worth it!! laugh.gif
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QUOTE(shiloong7081 @ Jul 29 2012, 09:09 AM)
Not bodybuilding per se, but look at dem wheels !

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Sauce
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Dude's gotta have problems finding pants that fit!!! laugh.gif

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