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post Jun 25 2010, 11:13 PM, updated 14y ago

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Check Drive Warranty
Samsung: http://www.samsunghddvalue.com/WebRMA/WarrantyCheck/
Seagate: http://support.seagate.com/customer/warran...tion.jsp?form=0
WD: http://websupport.wdc.com/warranty/seriali...arranty〈=en

QUOTE(24 July 2010 price around shop @ Compu-zone, Jayacom, The Hub)
Samsung F3 1TB 184-195
Samsung EcoGreen 1.5TB 250
Samsung EcoGreen 2TB 360


Price Hike due to Thailand Flood 2010
QUOTE(20 Dec 2011 price around shop @ Compu-zone, Jayacom, The Hub)
WD Blue 500GB 255
Samsung F3 1TB 360
Samsung EcoGreen 2TB 460


Samsung F4 Model
2TB EcoGreen F4 --> HD204UI
1.5TB EcoGreen F4 --> HD155UI
320GB Spinpoint F4 --> HD322GJ

Samsung F3 Model
2TB EcoGreen F3 --> HD203WI
1.5TB EcoGreen F3 --> HD153WI
1TB EcoGreen F3 --> HD105SI

1TB Spinpoint F3 --> HD103SJ
750GB Spinpoint F3 --> HD754JJ
500GB Spinpoint F3 --> HD502HJ


QUOTE(fariz @ Jul 28 2010, 06:46 AM)
benchmark using this and post the score.

http://crystalmark.info/software/CrystalDi...rk/index-e.html
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QUOTE(fariz @ Sep 14 2010, 12:58 PM)
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SATA offers several advantages over the older parallel ATA (PATA) interface: reduced cable-bulk and cost (reduced from 80 wires to seven), faster and more efficient data transfer, and hot swapping.
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QUOTE(fariz @ Jul 14 2010, 11:03 AM)
put the OS on the F3, use WD as storage.

Added on July 14, 2010, 11:05 am
yes you can, you can get the imaging software from seagate

http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/support/d...oads/discwizard
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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Dec 8 2010, 02:23 PM)
Speedfan http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php
HDDScan http://hddscan.com/
Speedfan allows comparing your SMART results to online database for more suggestive informations.
HDDScan, external hard disk cannot retrieve SMART? This software supports all, even monitor your external hard disk temperature, cool? Hell yeah~

These 2 software are the most that I used to retrieve the SMART info from my hard disk. Speedfan even allow you to compare your result to online database for more information.
If you feel performance drop, watch for "Relocated sectors count" or "Pending sectors count", these 2 by far is what make the hard disk slows down, even with fresh installed windows, it still slows down after few hours usage. So don't think SMART is not much of a use, it's a preventive warning to your precious data.

If possible TS please put these information on the first page, thanks  thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(jinaun @ Dec 18 2011, 02:54 PM)
The details of the new warranty periods are:-

Constellation 2 and ES.2 drives: 3 years
Barracuda and Barracuda Green 3.5-inch drives: 1 year
Barracuda XT: 3 years
Momentus 2.5-inch (5400 and 7200rpm): 1 year
Momentus XT: 3 years
SV35 Series - Video Surveillance: 2 years
Pipeline HD Mini, Pipeline HD: 2 years

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/12/16/se...ing_warranties/

dah lah mahal... warranty pulak kena potong
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For Western Digital, warranties for the Caviar Blue, Caviar Green and Scorpio Blue hard drives will be reduced to two years from three years.

Seagate’s new warranty policies will become effective on Dec. 31, and Western Digital’s changes will begin Jan. 2, 2012. Hard drives bought before those dates will retain their original warranty policies.

Source: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/20/s...orage-warranty/
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Samsung HDD division sold to Seagate
Hitachi GST sold to WD

Now just left Seagate, WD and Toshiba
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Hello,if the Samsung F3 is out of stock when I go to LYP next week,what must I do?Wait for the newer version(is there any?)to release or move to other brand?Since the Samsung is quite value for money if wanna use for downloading and storing data.
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If out of stock,wait for it then smile.gif. After all there are a lot of shops at lowyat and i doubt all of them will be out of stock at the same time.
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post Jun 25 2010, 11:29 PM

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QUOTE(StereophileDream @ Jun 25 2010, 11:21 PM)
Hello,if the Samsung F3 is out of stock when I go to LYP next week,what must I do?Wait for the newer version(is there any?)to release or move to other brand?Since the Samsung is quite value for money if wanna use for downloading and storing data.
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Which model are you looking? 1TB or 1.5TB/2TB EcoGreen series?

Try Compu-zone.com (Czone)
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QUOTE(mitodna @ Jun 25 2010, 11:29 PM)
Which model are you looking? 1TB or 1.5TB/2TB EcoGreen series?

Try Compu-zone.com (Czone)
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I think will try to get the best value in price per GB.Since I will just used it to download and store data.Will go LYP to find out which shop offer the best deal before decided on it. biggrin.gif
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Try viewnet, Czone and etc
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QUOTE(shinjite @ Jun 25 2010, 11:50 PM)
Try viewnet, Czone and etc
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Which of them do online / courier services ?
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Which of them do online / courier services ?
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most of them iinm, u can try ask them by email smile.gif
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post Jun 26 2010, 08:35 AM

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how is samsung compare to seagate and western digital?
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i found f3 much cooler than others... always 31..33'C
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QUOTE(lms2005 @ Jun 26 2010, 01:10 PM)
i found f3 much cooler than others... always 31..33'C
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The temperature is under fan cooling or not ?
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QUOTE(limhongwoon @ Jun 26 2010, 12:27 PM)
The temperature is under fan cooling or not ?
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open air.. i dun use casing..

previous seagate always 48..50'C
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QUOTE(lms2005 @ Jun 26 2010, 01:35 PM)
open air.. i dun use casing..

previous seagate always 48..50'C
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If open air , Samsung F3 1TB is really much cooler than WD Black Caviar 1TB
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QUOTE(StereophileDream @ Jun 25 2010, 11:21 PM)
Hello,if the Samsung F3 is out of stock when I go to LYP next week,what must I do?Wait for the newer version(is there any?)to release or move to other brand?Since the Samsung is quite value for money if wanna use for downloading and storing data.
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Just wait..?
I think there are a few smaller shops hiding around the corner in LYP that may still have a few left, but they'd probably mark up the price to above RM200.


QUOTE(shinjite @ Jun 25 2010, 11:50 PM)
Try viewnet, Czone and etc
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Viewnet out of stock already, wanted to buy another one yesterday also cannot. laugh.gif
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does the buffer size of a hard disk really important per say does it significantly impact performance?

Added on June 26, 2010, 9:42 pmlike 16mb vs 32 mb vs 64mb(only seen tis on the WD hard disk)

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post Jun 27 2010, 01:15 AM

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QUOTE(selferino @ Jun 26 2010, 09:41 PM)
does the buffer size of a hard disk really important per say does it significantly impact performance?

Added on June 26, 2010, 9:42 pmlike 16mb vs 32 mb vs 64mb(only seen tis on the WD hard disk)
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Not much different in general.
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in generel? thn in wut usually?
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QUOTE(selferino @ Jun 27 2010, 03:13 AM)
in generel? thn in wut usually?
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general performance lo, you won't see any much different unless benchmarking,
OS drive, get 7200rpm drive, storage, you can get those Green series drive

generally there isn't any 7200rpm drive for more than 1TB that is non expensive.

WD Blue 500gb (7200rpm) comes with 16mb
WD Green 1tb (5400rpm) comes with 64mb for Advanced Format Drive
WD Black 1tb (7200rpm) also comes with 64mb for Advanced Format Drive
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WD 64MB is a new technology..XP user must use WD Align utility to use this hdd
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QUOTE(matt_rix @ Jun 26 2010, 08:35 AM)
how is samsung compare to seagate and western digital?
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pls answer my q...
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hi guys...few weeks ago I had wanted to grab an ext 3.5" 1.5 TB hdd (7200rpm)...but been bz awhile..didnt research much...

just hoping u all here can recommend something reliable and fast...I'll be using it as backup drive for 2 of my home PCs...

if majority of u been using a certain brand and not much issue..i'll just grab that model from LY next weekend...thx in advance smile.gif
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QUOTE(Fjive @ Jun 27 2010, 03:40 PM)
hi guys...few weeks ago I had wanted to grab an ext 3.5" 1.5 TB hdd (7200rpm)...but been bz awhile..didnt research much...

just hoping u all here can recommend something reliable and fast...I'll be using it as backup drive for 2 of my home PCs...

if majority of u been using a certain brand and not much issue..i'll just grab that model from LY next weekend...thx in advance smile.gif
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I think most people are using WD Mybook elements?


For me personally I like to build my own drive.
I have a few Samsung F3 1TB in Hornettek Hover SSC external enclosures.

But if you don't want to do anything like that, I guess the WD Mybooks are rather good.
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QUOTE(matt_rix @ Jun 27 2010, 03:36 PM)
pls answer my q...
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We normally don't compare between companies, but between their products. Samsung's F3 is good, Seagate's Momentus XT is better if you have the money, and WD also has some good stuff. It depends more on your budget and what type of hard disk you want.
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jun 27 2010, 07:16 PM)
I think most people are using WD Mybook elements?
For me personally I like to build my own drive.
I have a few Samsung F3 1TB in Hornettek Hover SSC external enclosures.

But if you don't want to do anything like that, I guess the WD Mybooks are rather good.
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hmmm...so are these WD elements 5400rpm or 7200rpm? Any known bugs/complains so far from LYN owners ?
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QUOTE(Fjive @ Jun 28 2010, 12:41 AM)
hmmm...so are these WD elements 5400rpm or 7200rpm? Any known bugs/complains so far from LYN owners ?
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5400RPM drives.
You're only using for storage, so it doesn't matter. More over you're transfering over USB, doesn't matter even more.
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Lets continue the discussion on Hard Disk here, good old V2 has reaches 2500 posts

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Samsung F3 unofficial most sought-after hard disk on LYN as of 25 June 2010.  brows.gif  drool.gif  flex.gif

Samsung F3 Model

2TB EcoGreen F3 --> HD203WI
1.5TB EcoGreen F3 --> HD153WI
1TB EcoGreen F3 --> HD105SI
1TB Spinpoint F3 --> HD103SJ
750GB Spinpoint F3 --> HD754JJ
500GB Spinpoint F3 --> HD502HJ
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What's the difference between the HD103SJ and HD103UJ(on the MY official website)?
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HD103UJ is Spinpoint F1
The F3 is faster

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HD103UJ is Spinpoint F1
The F3 is faster
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what is the standard pricing for 2TB external hd?
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what is the standard pricing for 2TB external hd?
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Cheapest, WD Mybook Element 2TB at around RM540.

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Cheapest, WD Mybook Element 2TB at around RM540.
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Last time when 1st release hw much wan har?
price drop so fus wan....
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oh forgot to tell..
i bought 1tb f3 for my friend and 2tb f3eg for myself..
last saturday.. where got no stock one..
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how much is 1TB and 2TB now? I saw Viewnet listing RM194 for 1TB.
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how much is 1TB and 2TB now? I saw Viewnet listing RM194 for 1TB.
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RM194 for 1TB? seriously??? what brand?
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jun 28 2010, 01:22 AM)
5400RPM drives.
You're only using for storage, so it doesn't matter. More over you're transfering over USB, doesn't matter even more.
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if transfering through USB it will bottleneck by how much? i got 1.5TB Ecogreen F2 but i see the max read/write transfer is only around 25Mb/sec
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QUOTE(LAU Fantasy @ Jun 29 2010, 08:33 AM)
Last time when 1st release hw much wan har?
price drop so fus wan....
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Don't remember... >RM700?


QUOTE(8tvt @ Jun 29 2010, 04:56 PM)
oh forgot to tell..
i bought 1tb f3 for my friend and 2tb f3eg for myself..
last saturday.. where got no stock one..
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I went on Friday... all shops told me no stock! vmad.gif
Only those small corner shops has 1 or 2 left, but they mark the price up really high.


QUOTE(more2teayap @ Jun 29 2010, 07:40 PM)
RM194 for 1TB? seriously??? what brand?
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Samsung F3 1TB.


QUOTE(malayneum @ Jun 29 2010, 07:45 PM)
if transfering through USB it will bottleneck by how much? i got 1.5TB Ecogreen F2 but i see the max read/write transfer is only around 25Mb/sec
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USB 2.0 itself is already a bottleneck lol.
The max you can get out of USB2 is 30-35 mbps.

On average, most "green" HDDs runs up to 90mbps.
So yes... regardless of what you do, theres going to the be limitation of the USB there.

Otherwise, get an external enclosure with USB 3.0 (which you will then need a USB 3.0 expansion card unless you already have one), or use eSATA.
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my external samsung hdd are damaged..

dunno what it cause..

slow data transfer and now can`t even format?? cry.gif
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Here is one noob hdd ques. i have a internal Desktop HDD. If I want to convert it into external hardisk, is it compulsory to have a power supply connected to it. Can I just use a case connecting it and using USB output. Please advice
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jun 29 2010, 07:52 PM)

I went on Friday... all shops told me no stock! vmad.gif
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I might need to go and source for 1 more as well for future stuffs
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how much is 1TB and 2TB now? I saw Viewnet listing RM194 for 1TB.
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around that price..
2tb average rm380.. i got rm370..
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QUOTE(russellneedlove @ Jun 29 2010, 08:05 PM)
Here is one noob hdd ques. i have a internal Desktop HDD. If I want to convert it into external hardisk, is it compulsory to have a power supply connected to it. Can I just use a case connecting it and using USB output. Please advice
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All external 3.5" enclosures will come with a power supply.
So you don't have to worry on that part.

USB power alone is not enough to power up a 3.5" HDD running at 7200rpm.
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jun 29 2010, 07:52 PM)
USB 2.0 itself is already a bottleneck lol.
The max you can get out of USB2 is 30-35 mbps.

On average, most "green" HDDs runs up to 90mbps.
So yes... regardless of what you do, theres going to the be limitation of the USB there.

Otherwise, get an external enclosure with USB 3.0 (which you will then need a USB 3.0 expansion card unless you already have one), or use eSATA.
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ah thanks for the info. i was very close to buying 1TB F3. now i realize my laptop cant even fully benefit the 7200rpm advantage.
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later got usb 3 then ok..
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QUOTE(8tvt @ Jun 29 2010, 08:08 PM)
around that price..
2tb average rm380.. i got rm370..
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nice price drool.gif drool.gif drool.gif , care to intro the shop? Many thanks
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nice price  drool.gif  drool.gif  drool.gif , care to intro the shop? Many thanks
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http://gizmodo.com/5575111/the-worlds-firs...ve-from-seagate

The World's First 3TB External Hard Drive, From Seagate for 250usd, around 812myr, for USB2.0
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jun 29 2010, 08:16 PM)
All external 3.5" enclosures will come with a power supply.
So you don't have to worry on that part.

USB power alone is not enough to power up a 3.5" HDD running at 7200rpm.
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How much would it cost roughly.
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QUOTE(mitodna @ Jun 29 2010, 10:50 PM)
http://gizmodo.com/5575111/the-worlds-firs...ve-from-seagate

The World's First 3TB External Hard Drive, From Seagate for 250usd, around 812myr, for USB2.0
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Which actually really isn't extremely expensive too!
The Seagate GoFlex hub can actually be changed to a USB 3 version though. So its not really for USB2 only.


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How much would it cost roughly.
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Be more specific.
Are you asking about the HDD or the enclosure or what?
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jun 28 2010, 01:22 AM)
5400RPM drives.
You're only using for storage, so it doesn't matter. More over you're transfering over USB, doesn't matter even more.
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Thx for the suggestion...owners of WD Elements...care to give some feedback?
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Thx for the suggestion...owners of WD Elements...care to give some feedback?
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Using 1tb Wd elements, so far so good, it does not comes with any backup software. Simple design.
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I was lucky the CEX guy advice me to go for Samsung F3..
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QUOTE(8tvt @ Jun 29 2010, 08:08 PM)
around that price..
2tb average rm380.. i got rm370..
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Wah... so cheap ar...
Penang here still vry expensiv...
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QUOTE(LAU Fantasy @ Jun 30 2010, 08:28 AM)
Wah... so cheap ar...
Penang here still vry expensiv...
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Ya la, but if you wan samsung 2TB, I sure this garage sales seller can COD with you are a competitive rate.



BTW sifus, samsung got Spinpoint F3 in 2TB capacity? And wat's is different bet EcoGreen vs Spinpoint?
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got two SAMSUNG SPINPOINT

F3 - 7200rpm
F3 (ecogreen) - 5400rpm just slower abit

so far no 2tb 7200rpm.. u can check @ first page for the model
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jun 29 2010, 11:52 PM)
Which actually really isn't extremely expensive too!
The Seagate GoFlex hub can actually be changed to a USB 3 version though. So its not really for USB2 only.
Be more specific.
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any 2tb firewire for mac?
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Wat screw driver or tools needed to open a 2.5" WD HDD?
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I am considering Samsung however the warranty period of a year is a bit short for my perspective.

I am looking at keeping the hard disk for at least more than 3 years.
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I am also looking for 1Tb or 2Tb Firewire HD. Anybody knows where to get it from? I've tried getting my local computer dealer to source it out but he says it is no longer available.  rclxub.gif
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firewire mia quite long time... try ask from apple shop
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I'm currently using an iMac which has only firewire and USB ports. I intend to use an external HD for my photo library and I know that using a USB 2.0 HD is going to be too slow to access and process the photos. My internal HD is all full up. Hence the reason for me looking for a firewire HD. Since the firewire HD is no longer available, I would appreciate it if anyone has any solutions for me besides upgrading the internal HD. Thanks. smile.gif

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QUOTE(vnair @ Jun 30 2010, 02:35 PM)
I'm currently using an iMac which has only firewire and USB ports. I intend to use an external HD for my photo library and I know that using a USB 2.0 HD is going to be too slow to access and process the photos. My internal HD is all full up. Hence the reason for me looking for a firewire HD. Since the firewire HD is no longer available, I would appreciate it if anyone has any solutions for me besides upgrading the internal HD. Thanks.  smile.gif
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Bor, you can try
1. Vantec NST-D100UFS 2.5"/3.5" SATA to USB 2.0/eSATA/1394a Hard Drive Dock
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3. Acer Home server (last option)
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Bor, you can try
1. Vantec NST-D100UFS 2.5"/3.5" SATA to USB 2.0/eSATA/1394a Hard Drive Dock
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3. Acer Home server (last option)
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i not sure what u suggesting.. if let say considering the transfer rates..

1394a = 400mbps
USB 2.0 = 480mbps
NAS = 100mbps depends on network..

but still for more convenient usb 2.0 is ok for portable..
alot of system have usb 2.0.. easy to move around..
i would be happy if usb3 is everywhere..
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Just bought WD Elements 1.5 TB...i know the speed is 5400rpm and xfer through USB...probably also 500GB/platter...already lowered my expectation but just thought it could be a wee bit faster...

just transfered a 1.45gb .MKV in about 50sec+...does it look fine to u guys ?
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QUOTE(Fjive @ Jun 30 2010, 06:14 PM)
Just bought WD Elements 1.5 TB...i know the speed is 5400rpm and xfer through USB...probably also 500GB/platter...already lowered my expectation but just thought it could be a wee bit faster...

just transfered a 1.45gb .MKV in about 50sec+...does it look fine to u guys ?
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yeah..looks normal to me..

fyi, all hdd 1.5TB and 2TB only available in 5400rpm speed..
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QUOTE(8tvt @ Jun 30 2010, 04:09 PM)
i not sure what u suggesting.. if let say considering the transfer rates..

1394a = 400mbps
USB 2.0 = 480mbps
NAS = 100mbps depends on network..

but still for more convenient usb 2.0 is ok for portable..
alot of system have usb 2.0.. easy to move around..
i would be happy if usb3 is everywhere..
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Those are theoretical speed?

Bro, you and I have a choice but vnair's iMac how then?
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Those are theoretical speed?

Bro, you and I have a choice but vnair's iMac how then?
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yup it's rated that way.. though some might claimed usb 2.0 have overhead data involved and reducing the transfer rate..
but still the different not so obvious..

unless the device using 1394b which rated as 800mbps..
or.. if vnair mentioned about usb is the old usb then.. it's totally out of league.. 12mbps rclxub.gif

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Just saw FreeAgent® GoFlex™ Upgrade Cable — FireWire® 800 for RM159 at the hub today, I could be wrong on the price though
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QUOTE(vnair @ Jun 30 2010, 02:35 PM)
I'm currently using an iMac which has only firewire and USB ports. I intend to use an external HD for my photo library and I know that using a USB 2.0 HD is going to be too slow to access and process the photos. My internal HD is all full up. Hence the reason for me looking for a firewire HD. Since the firewire HD is no longer available, I would appreciate it if anyone has any solutions for me besides upgrading the internal HD. Thanks.  smile.gif
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i not sure iMac using sata not..

you can use sata as ext hdd

1st plug power to hdd
2nd connect sata cable
3rd go device manager refresh (windows based)

speed like normall sata(I or II)
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QUOTE(lms2005 @ Jul 1 2010, 12:02 AM)
i not sure iMac using sata not..

you can use sata as ext hdd

1st plug power to hdd
2nd connect sata cable
3rd go device manager refresh (windows based)

speed like normall sata(I or II)
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QUOTE(8tvt @ Jun 30 2010, 07:02 PM)
yup it's rated that way.. though some might claimed usb 2.0 have overhead data involved and reducing the transfer rate..
but still the different not so obvious..

unless the device using 1394b which rated as 800mbps..
or.. if vnair mentioned about usb is the old usb then.. it's totally out of league.. 12mbps  rclxub.gif
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The difference between FW 400 and USB 2 is obvious when I conducted a test on WD MyBook Essential via HDtune. USB fluctuates a lot while on FW the graph is a lot more stable... and closer to the max theoretical speed. I'll post the graph if I can find it in the PC at my office.

vnair, is your iMac equipped with a Firewire 800 port?

Added on July 2, 2010, 12:22 am
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firewire ftw. usb sucks
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Will we see a Firewire 1600 in the future? tongue.gif

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Forgot about eSATA? laugh.gif

Really, eSATA could have been a sucess if it wasn't for its limitation.
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Forgot about eSATA? laugh.gif

Really, eSATA could have been a sucess if it wasn't for its limitation.
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QUOTE(cannavaro @ Jul 2 2010, 12:19 AM)
The difference between FW 400 and USB 2 is obvious when I conducted a test on WD MyBook Essential via HDtune. USB fluctuates a lot while on FW the graph is a lot more stable... and closer to the max theoretical speed. I'll post the graph if I can find it in the PC at my office.

vnair, is your iMac equipped with a Firewire 800 port?

Added on July 2, 2010, 12:22 am
USB 3 > Firewire 800 > Firewire 400 > USB 2.0

Will we see a Firewire 1600 in the future?  tongue.gif
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if like that better search for firewire device..
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WD Blue 2.5" 500gb seems is a bargain right now, around RM175.
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Hi guys, i looking for external HDD...

comparing between WD Element & Buffalo Drive Station...
which 1 recommended for heavy usage or performance bcos i planned to plug it to my media player...

sense due to heat concerned, DS have the exhaust fan may good for HDD
but as checked around seem that DS have the weird Start Up noise, worrying the mechanical damaging my movies... sweat.gif

or any brand recommended?

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I wouldn't call it 'heavy usage' or 'performance' if you intend to use it primarily with your media player. tongue.gif

Between those 2 models I would pick the Buffalo because it looks nicer. Performance wise, if any, is negligible, especially if you use USB 2. Warranty wise, both offer 3 years, I think?

I would recommend any other brands except for Seagate because of the firmware fiasco with their internal 3"5 drives. Don't care if their drives are now okay or whatever, had a really bad experience with them and that's it. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(cannavaro @ Jul 4 2010, 04:50 AM)
I would recommend any other brands except for Seagate because of the firmware fiasco with their internal 3"5 drives. Don't care if their drives are now okay or whatever, had a really bad experience with them and that's it.  sweat.gif
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That's why, as a person not bitten by the Seagate firmware fiasco, I'm going to say to ignore that specific advice and buy what you think is the best for you. Seagate currently has no firmware problem.

One idea to consider is to later replace the USB 2.0 casing with a USB 3.0 casing. It will cost you and likely also your warranty, but that will unlock your hard drive's performance.

But media storage drives really don't require much performance at all as even the slow USB 2.0 data transfer is more than sufficient for Full HD playback. On the other hand, those with fast access times might be more pleasant if you have hundreds or thousands of files in a single folder. It will be most noticeable with SSDs, except that SSDs are luxury items for mere storage and have crappy capacities.

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Not yet has a Seagate external hard disk that failed. Had to agree that WD 2.5" external is cute. Also WD AV is the only certified for Byond PVR. I still choose Seagate FreeAgent Go extra 2 years is handy.
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What is the cheapest price for Samsung F3 1TB ??
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It's at Viewnet, RM 194 only.
Samsung is pushing their HDD prices as low as possible with Quality and Performance.
This causes the other brands got no choice but to lower their prices too. thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
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It's at Viewnet, RM 194 only.
Samsung is pushing their HDD prices as low as possible with Quality and Performance.
This causes the other brands got no choice but to lower their prices too.  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
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Viewnet now got stocks or not ?
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I know that the Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB HDD is selling about RM 200(should be lesser) as standard in LYP currently.
If Viewnet doesn't have it, then, try C-Zone, Cycom, Prestige IT and so on?
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Not sure. Why don't you pay a visit?
I know that the Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB HDD is selling about RM 200(should be lesser) as standard in LYP currently.
If Viewnet doesn't have it, then, try C-Zone, Cycom, Prestige IT and so on?
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QUOTE(gkl83 @ Jul 3 2010, 05:42 PM)
Hi guys, i looking for external HDD...

comparing between WD Element & Buffalo Drive Station...
which 1 recommended for heavy usage or performance bcos i planned to plug it to my media player...

sense due to heat concerned, DS have the exhaust fan may good for HDD
but as checked around seem that DS have the weird Start Up noise, worrying the mechanical damaging my movies... sweat.gif

or any brand recommended?
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My opinion is to get a HDD docking station and buy the internal HDD, This way you can capitalize on the low prices of these bare bones HDD and able to buy a few more additional HDDs.

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Why din have people tell me that they going to get the Samsung F3 1TB ???  cry.gif
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Ai yo, you still haven't buy yet!?!? blink.gif
Bro, at the garage sales section have Penang people selling about extra RM10 only la. icon_rolleyes.gif
Consider transport cost to KL and back lo.

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I cannot go there , too far already .
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PC Depot or Prangin got sell also wat biggrin.gif
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This one you making big joke ya? whistling.gif
Samsung Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1Tb at RM199?
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My opinion is to get a HDD docking station and buy the internal HDD, This way you can capitalize on the low prices of these bare bones HDD and able to buy a few more additional HDDs.
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actually HDD enclosure + internal HDD wont different much with ready external HDD...
RM80 + RM200 (1TB) = RM280, same as 1TB of ready external HDD
i puzzled around lowyat almost 1hour+ when Sunday which type i prefer & think... doh.gif sweat.gif rclxub.gif

later i saw the hornetek enclosure used at Sri Computer with media player demo unit...
damm sweet with blue LED with black case and matched with my black TV cabinet with blue lighting... drool.gif

Hornetek selling at Sri computer RM129 and Viewnet RM119, cheaper than garage sales...
but RM119 for enclosure only... fu....... just go ahead...

looking to Samsung 1TB at Cycom RM194, last unit just sold... end up buy from Czone Rm200 sad.gif

spent another RM30 compare to ready external HDD, that money can eat 5 times McD lunch value... sigh...

but overall the Hornetek seem more responsive compare to cheapo enclosure... bcos my cheapo enclosure + 500Gb (SATA) required 5 seconds to recognized by my laptop, but use same cheapo enclosure + 80Gb (PATA) required 1-2 seconds only... thought HDD size does matter... tried Hornetek + 1TB (SATA) thought will be slower, but surprise my laptop recognize it 1-2 seconds too... smile.gif

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My opinion is to get a HDD docking station and buy the internal HDD, This way you can capitalize on the low prices of these bare bones HDD and able to buy a few more additional HDDs.

Added on July 5, 2010, 7:15 amAi yo, you still haven't buy yet!?!? blink.gif
Bro, at the garage sales section have Penang people selling about extra RM10 only la. icon_rolleyes.gif
Consider transport cost to KL and back lo.
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Who got sell it extra RM 10 ? So is RM 205 ?
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later i saw the hornetek enclosure used at Sri Computer with media player demo unit...
damm sweet with blue LED with black case and matched with my black TV cabinet with blue lighting... drool.gif
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I'd rather avoid anything with blue LEDs. They can light up your room at night.
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why u want to keep ur room so dark? brows.gif whistling.gif tongue.gif
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QUOTE(gkl83 @ Jul 5 2010, 02:47 PM)
actually HDD enclosure + internal HDD wont different much with ready external HDD...
RM80 + RM200 (1TB) = RM280, same as 1TB of ready external HDD
i puzzled around lowyat almost 1hour+ when Sunday which type i prefer & think... doh.gif  sweat.gif  rclxub.gif

later i saw the hornetek enclosure used at Sri Computer with media player demo unit...
damm sweet with blue LED with black case and matched with my black TV cabinet with blue lighting... drool.gif

Hornetek selling at Sri computer RM129 and Viewnet RM119, cheaper than garage sales...
but RM119 for enclosure only... fu....... just go ahead...

looking to Samsung 1TB at Cycom RM194, last unit just sold... end up buy from Czone Rm200 sad.gif

spent another RM30 compare to ready external HDD, that money can eat 5 times McD lunch value... sigh...

but overall the Hornetek seem more responsive compare to cheapo enclosure... bcos my cheapo enclosure + 500Gb (SATA) required 5 seconds to recognized by my laptop, but use same cheapo enclosure + 80Gb (PATA) required 1-2 seconds only... thought HDD size does matter... tried Hornetek + 1TB (SATA) thought will be slower, but surprise my laptop recognize it 1-2 seconds too... smile.gif
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Yes you're right.
Agree with what you're saying.

Yea the Hornettek enclosure is a very good one, I have 2 of them and they're nice.
Now I'm waiting for the Hornettek Viper U3 (USB 3.0) to come to Malaysia, should be here sometime in August or September.

Get that and get that cheapo MSI USB 3.0 PCI-e card (RM49 lol) and woohoo... flex.gif
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Hi guys,

Those who is thinking to buy an external harddisk can check out the WD booth at Times Square.

I bought my 500GB Passport for only RM269. smile.gif

I was quite tempted to buy the 8TB NAS also... but I'm having some financial woes... so I have to forgo it. cry.gif
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i'm using samsung spinpoint F3 HD502HJ 500GB in RAID0-Stripe mode...
but the result yield izznt very impressive...

anyone tried RAID for other HDD?

so far my experience wit F3 isnt good...
the F3 perform below average in handling high loads and scored bad in response time...
only shows good result in synthetic benchmarks
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i'm using samsung spinpoint F3 HD502HJ 500GB in RAID0-Stripe mode...
but the result yield izznt very impressive...

anyone tried RAID for other HDD?

so far my experience wit F3 isnt good...
the F3 perform below average in handling high loads and scored bad in response time...
only shows good result in synthetic benchmarks
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Anyway guys, what's the cheapest 2TB internal Hdd I could get these days? Maybe getting it at the end of the year for backup.

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Cheapest 2TB internal hdd = Less than RM 500

2000 GB / RM 500 = 4.0 GB/RM, ratio more than 2.00, so kira murah lah tu tongue.gif

RM 1 get 4 GB, if buy a thumbdrive 4GB? LOL

Go for WD green biggrin.gif

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2tb < rm400..
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Hello all need some pointers b4 buying a new external drive for my media files connected to a media player.

1)Is Samsung reliable brand for hard drive?

2) If you have to pick between these two which one would you go for
a) Samsung G3 3.5 External Hard Drive 1.5TB @ RM365.00
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b) Samsung Internal Drive 1.5TB @ RM265.00 + Enclosure

or would you suggest any other solutions which amounting around RM400 or less smile.gif tight budget.

Thanks in advance.

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Is Samsung reliable brand for hard drive?
Dunno about other model but been using the F3 HD103SJ 1TB for 6 month already. It is cheaper, faster and runs cooler than WD Green.
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May be worthwhile to wait for the 2TB samsung then. tongue.gif

2TB section still too expensive for the time being.
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Excuse me guys.

I have been forced to change my notebook hdd months ago due to the hdd failed to boot up. Since I'm reinstalling OS in another laptop , i have the time to try the Failed HDD as a external drive via USB.

It able to detect the Recover partition , but not the main C: drive. After awhile , it shows the C: drive , but i'm unable to click into the folder. It'll just hang there.

Could it be due to bad sector ? Is there any ways to repair it ?

Hope you guys could lend a helping hand.
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May be worthwhile to wait for the 2TB samsung then. tongue.gif

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2week ago brought 5pcs 2tb samsung for rm380/pcs. It already cheaper than WD 2tb. thumbup.gif
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Excuse me guys.

I have been forced to change my notebook hdd months ago due to the hdd failed to boot up. Since I'm reinstalling OS in another laptop , i have the time to try the Failed HDD as a external drive via USB.

It able to detect the Recover partition , but not the main C: drive. After awhile , it shows the C: drive , but i'm unable to click into the folder. It'll just hang there.

Could it be due to bad sector ? Is there any ways to repair it ?

Hope you guys could lend a helping hand.
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QUOTE(sonixmedia @ Jul 7 2010, 05:25 PM)
Hello all need some pointers b4 buying a new external drive for my media files connected to a media player.

1)Is Samsung reliable brand for hard drive?

2) If you have to pick between these two which one would you go for
a) Samsung G3 3.5 External Hard Drive 1.5TB @ RM365.00
or
b) Samsung Internal Drive 1.5TB @ RM265.00 + Enclosure

or would you suggest any other solutions which amounting around RM400 or less smile.gif tight budget.

Thanks in advance.

3)
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1) I won't comment on this one.
2) I always like to build my own drive, even if it'll end a little more expensive, so (b).


QUOTE(n3w @ Jul 7 2010, 06:11 PM)
May be worthwhile to wait for the 2TB samsung then. tongue.gif

2TB section still too expensive for the time being.
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2TB will be dropping in prices rapidly after PC fair........ whistling.gif
That's all I will say.
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2TB will be dropping in prices rapidly after PC fair........ whistling.gif
That's all I will say.
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BTW Tawau PC Fair 2-4 July already over. Morrow is JB and Alor Setar. laugh.gif
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Samsung 1GB SATA 2 izzit detected as SATA 3 Gbps with HWinfo?

All my Seagate SATA2 500GB 16MB cache detected as SATA 1.5Gbps only even though in website clearly stating it is SATA2 3 Ggps.

So, next harddisk purchase definitely not Seagate.
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QUOTE(ozak @ Jul 7 2010, 11:45 PM)
Ok gua.  hmm.gif

1pcs in my media player. No hang or jerking when play.

4pcs in NAS. Can't test the read or write limit. Cause the limit is the NAS. blush.gif  Temp is around 39c - 44c.
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Samsung 1GB SATA 2 izzit detected as SATA 3 Gbps with HWinfo?

All my Seagate SATA2 500GB 16MB cache detected as SATA 1.5Gbps only even though in website clearly stating it is SATA2 3 Ggps.

So, next harddisk purchase definitely not Seagate.
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is it becoz of mobo sata port?
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Why la After the PC Fair! Shouldn't it be during the PC Fair?

BTW Tawau PC Fair 2-4 July already over. Morrow is JB and Alor Setar. laugh.gif
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Well... because PC Fair, technically isn't the place the suppliers are using to sell stuff cheap (okay you can score some nice deals here and there, but not everywhere of course).
Its a place they use to clear out their inventory yet selling at the price roughly the same as before the week PC fair starts, so they don't lose too much profit yet still get to clear out their intventory.


QUOTE(jeopardise @ Jul 8 2010, 09:27 AM)
Samsung 1GB SATA 2 izzit detected as SATA 3 Gbps with HWinfo?

All my Seagate SATA2 500GB 16MB cache detected as SATA 1.5Gbps only even though in website clearly stating it is SATA2 3 Ggps.

So, next harddisk purchase definitely not Seagate.
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I didn't see your mobo under your sig...
Perhaps its your mobo?
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jul 8 2010, 12:56 PM)
Well... because PC Fair, technically isn't the place the suppliers are using to sell stuff cheap (okay you can score some nice deals here and there, but not everywhere of course).
Its a place they use to clear out their inventory yet selling at the price roughly the same as before the week PC fair starts, so they don't lose too much profit yet still get to clear out their intventory.
I didn't see your mobo under your sig...
Perhaps its your mobo?
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U can check the cpu-z validation page got my mobo info.

I've been using GA-X48-DQ6, GA-Q35M-S2 and now using MSI P43-C51.

All three board detects my Seagate HDD 500GB SATA2 running only 1.5Gps or SATA1. I know its not the board problem since I got 1 WD 500GB Green which detected running in SATA2 3Gps mode. Maybe I will post a screenshot of HWInfo later. So far no problem using the HDD, with HWInfo and Sisoft SANDRA, I can see the true mode for my HDDs. I've tried to use AHCI mode but still detects as Sata 1.5GB.

BTW, I got 4 HDDs: (2 x 500GB Seagate, 1 x 320GB Seagate & 1 WD Green 500GB). Maybe wanna sell all Seagate then change to 2TB HDD. Casing too heavy with HDDs.
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Screen shot of a WD500 SATA2 500GB (running 3Gbps) and Seagate 320+500GB SATA2 (running 1.5Gbps) on my computer using System Information for Windows (SIW) built 2009_05_12

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


Of course performance different un'feel'able. But hey Seagate claims in official website that the 320 and 500GB HDD are SATA-2 3.0Gbps drive mad.gif
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Your Seagate 500gb got jumper or not? If yes, it might be limited to by that jumper.

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long time on dos.. or during windows setup..
or can go to Computer Management
http://www.vistarewired.com/2007/02/16/how...n-windows-vista
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QUOTE(jeopardise @ Jul 8 2010, 08:47 PM)
Screen shot of a WD500 SATA2 500GB (running 3Gbps) and Seagate 320+500GB SATA2 (running 1.5Gbps) on my computer using System Information for Windows (SIW) built 2009_05_12

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


Of course performance different un'feel'able. But hey Seagate claims in official website that the 320 and 500GB HDD are SATA-2 3.0Gbps drive  mad.gif
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I think you're right.

I just double checked, I have one of my Seagate drives the same as yours.
Mine is also running at 1.5Gbps...

IIRC.. I heard something about the 7200.10 drives, despite being stated as SATA 2, it isn't.

So... yea.
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jul 9 2010, 02:39 AM)
I think you're right.

I just double checked, I have one of my Seagate drives the same as yours.
Mine is also running at 1.5Gbps...

IIRC.. I heard something about the 7200.10 drives, despite being stated as SATA 2, it isn't.

So... yea.
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same here my old seagate 7200.10 400GB reported 1.5gb/s max!! hmm.gif
but it's faster thab my WB blue 3.0gb/s
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same here my old seagate 7200.10 400GB reported 1.5gb/s max!! hmm.gif
but it's faster thab my WB blue 3.0gb/s
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Sata I (1.5Gb/s) or Sata II (3.0Gbb/s) make no difference one actually, HDD capability itself never able to fill up the 1.5Gb/s aka the speed is capped by the HDD output itself, not the Sata interface.

So Sata I HDD may faster than Sata II one.
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For the curious, SATA 1.5 Gbps is 150 MByte/s. Very few hard disks can hit beyond that and most still averages below 100 MByte/s.
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i can accept that the performance of sata 1 & 2 has not very much different in real world.

can't really accept they said its SATA 2 but actually hardware running SATA 1 only.

Feels like driving a Proton Satria with Mitsubishi Evo logo on it.
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i can accept that the performance of sata 1 & 2 has not very much different in real world.

can't really accept they said its SATA 2 but actually hardware running SATA 1 only.

Feels like driving a Proton Satria with Mitsubishi Evo logo on it.
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LOL,

Actually don't care much about Sata I,II,III for ordinary HDDs, more a marketing gimmick only.

Just like you build a highway that enable your car to run at 300km/h, but you car max top speed is 100km/h.

Only when use SSD, then you need Sata II interface because Sata I (1.5Gb/s) is not enough.

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Haha yes cherroy.
But its just the matter of not getting what you paid for...

Not a big deal since this isn't a big issue as theres no speed difference what so ever.
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Saw Hitachi internal drive 2.5" with casing 500gb at RM179.
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Sure or not?
In IT heaven ah? hmm.gif
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Which hdd brand currently become favourites? I used to like buying maxtor, but it becomes old now and unreliable from what I heard. Haven't bought internal harddisk for years now, thinking of buying a 1TB Samsung... Is there any better harddisk out there?
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Western Digital and Seagate comes to my mind.....I personally uses WD for all my HDDs and so far, I can say they are pretty reliable.
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how much a good and reliable 1TB ext HDD cost? any brand or spec will do
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Which hdd brand currently become favourites? I used to like buying maxtor, but it becomes old now and unreliable from what I heard. Haven't bought internal harddisk for years now, thinking of buying a 1TB Samsung... Is there any better harddisk out there?
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any software to detect bad sector on my hdd? hmm.gif
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HDTune, Western Digital DLG tool.
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any software to detect bad sector on my hdd? hmm.gif
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Use "CHKDSK /?" for more options
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was looking for external HDD. seems like now the case are moving the usb3.0.

at first, was looking at seagate goflex, but the usb3.0 cable accesories is way too expensive..RM1xx just the cable alone to convert to usb3.

seems the current model on usb3 are trascend and buffalo, any views on this.

prefer to have usb3 + cable management if possible.
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guys..i would like to ask for suggestion..
curently, my pc has 3 hdd,
160gb seagate, 640gb WD green, and Samsung F3 1tb.
the problem is, currently my os is in my seagate, and it bottlenecks my pc's performance as it only runs at 5400rpm. would u think its a good idea if i just put my os in samsung f3 or wd green? thanks
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put it on the Samsung IMO..i'm running my W7 on my 500gb WD Green and it's pretty laggy..the worse was when I didn't restart my com for about a week or so, even playing mp3s on foobar2k was choppy sweat.gif
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thanks..can i just ghost my os from my seagate to my samsung?is it possible?
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QUOTE(alive88 @ Jul 14 2010, 10:49 AM)
guys..i would like to ask for suggestion..
curently, my pc has 3 hdd,
160gb seagate, 640gb WD green, and Samsung F3 1tb.
the problem is, currently my os is in my seagate, and it bottlenecks my pc's performance as it only runs at 5400rpm. would u think its a good idea if i just put my os in samsung f3 or wd green? thanks
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put the OS on the F3, use WD as storage.

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thanks..can i just ghost my os from my seagate to my samsung?is it possible?
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yes you can, you can get the imaging software from seagate

http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/support/d...oads/discwizard

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I have the same setup tongue.gif

the OS is originally in WD green, then I ghost it to the F3. now, WD is a storage drive
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Saving for SSD now haha
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Great thing I find about the Seagate DiscWizard is that it takes hell alot faster to clone your HDD than any other image cloning software.
And also, Seagate's DiscWizard is actually based (and powered) by Acronis... one of the best image cloning software around.
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I have the same setup tongue.gif

the OS is originally in WD green, then I ghost it to the F3. now, WD is a storage drive
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Can use the DiscWizard from Seagate to ghost it into F3 also? Need to reformat or anything? drool.gif

I need to change drives for OS because it's too slow cry.gif
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Can use the DiscWizard from Seagate to ghost it into F3 also? Need to reformat or anything? drool.gif

I need to change drives for OS because it's too slow cry.gif
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yes. the software is not brand specific.

no need to format.
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QUOTE(fariz @ Jul 14 2010, 11:40 AM)
yes. the software is not brand specific.

no need to format.
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Never had any issues with my Samsung/Buffalo and Hitachi drives for the last 2 years! whistling.gif
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yes you can, you can get the imaging software from seagate

http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/support/d...oads/discwizard
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Can the imaging software work on two internal hard disk?
The demo shows from internal to usb.
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what r yur guys opinion on the new Samsung 2.5" 640G notebooks HDDs?
Is it a reliable brand? Other than one forummer here who used his more than 2 years, theres not anymore comments on Samsung on this thread. Feedback appreciated.
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what r yur guys opinion on the new Samsung 2.5" 640G notebooks HDDs?
Is it a reliable brand? Other than one forummer here who used his more than 2 years, theres not anymore comments on Samsung on this thread. Feedback appreciated.
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I have been using external drive Imation Apollo which uses Samsung 500Gb internally and has had warranty replacement twice because of hardisk block errors over a period of 1 year.
And the failures comes without any warning or indications of impeding failures.
The latest warranty claim has been replaced with Imation Apollo II which uses a Japanese (either Toshiba or Hitachi) drive. I hope it does not fail again.
So although the current prices for Samsung disk are very tempting I still have a phobia about Samsung harddisk products.
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Is it safe to send the hard disk for warranty claim?

I mean, they will try to repair the hard disk and if they managed to repair the hard disk, they can retrieve all your data and probably sell them to the underworld.

If they don't repair the hard disk, how do they dispose it?
Do they destrop it and dispose or just throw them away?

If they go for recycle, those guys will try to slavage the hard disk and if they managed to recover the hard disk, they can retrieve all your data from the hard disk and probably sell them to the underworld.

I read that someone managed to recover a hard disk and found data from a bank with all the customers account information. Not sure this news is true or not. This is not what we want.
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czone 13 july prices:

samsung hdd price falling every week ?
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QUOTE(cucubud @ Jul 16 2010, 07:50 AM)
Is it safe to send the hard disk for warranty claim?

I mean, they will try to repair the hard disk and if they managed to repair the hard disk, they can retrieve all your data and probably sell them to the underworld.

If they don't repair the hard disk, how do they dispose it?
Do they destrop it and dispose or just throw them away?

If they go for recycle, those guys will try to slavage the hard disk and if they managed to recover the hard disk, they can retrieve all your data from the hard disk and probably sell them to the underworld.

I read that someone managed to recover a hard disk and found data from a bank with all the customers account information.  Not sure this news is true or not.  This is not what we want.
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Big company normally will delete/format the HDD before send to warranty.

But nowaday what I see those big company do is they never try to repair the HDD if spoil. They just took the hammer, smach it to make sure the HDD cannot repair or recover.
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samsung hdd price falling every week ?
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But only the EcoGreen ones, the spinpoint series has now stabilized in prices and will stay that way for a few more weeks.

By end of August, you'll see 1.5TB at the RM220 range.
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Yeap.
But only the EcoGreen ones, the spinpoint series has now stabilized in prices and will stay that way for a few more weeks.

By end of August, you'll see 1.5TB at the RM220 range.
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Hitachi 1TB is now RM189 at viewnet...
Trying to pull a Samsung?  hmm.gif
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Hitachi 1TB is now RM189 at viewnet...
Trying to pull a Samsung?  hmm.gif
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QUOTE(hikari85 @ Jul 16 2010, 12:15 AM)
just send my seagate sv35 hdd to warranty, all data lost  cry.gif
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Maybe not even the same hard disk. If you kept track of the serial number, you can tell if they give you another hard disk as a replacement or fixed your hard disk. The last time I RMAed a hard disk, the serial number of the returned drive was different.

QUOTE(cucubud @ Jul 16 2010, 07:50 AM)
I read that someone managed to recover a hard disk and found data from a bank with all the customers account information.  Not sure this news is true or not.  This is not what we want.
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Don't know about the particular news you read, but it is very possible. Undeleting files is easy, limited only by luck or if the file was securely deleted.

QUOTE(ozak @ Jul 16 2010, 09:22 AM)
Big company normally will delete/format the HDD before send to warranty.

But nowaday what I see those big company do is they never try to repair the HDD if spoil. They just took the hammer, smach it to make sure the HDD cannot repair or recover.
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How do you know they do this? Publicised company policy, news, or working there?

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can you run an external hard disk on both windows and mac without reformatting the hard disk?
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How do you know they do this? Publicised company policy, news, or working there?
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It is 1 of my big customer doing this. Also famous company in the world. It is their IT policy. When I go through their scrap item, all the HDD smach beyond using.
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QUOTE(everling @ Jul 17 2010, 05:54 PM)
Maybe not even the same hard disk. If you kept track of the serial number, you can tell if they give you another hard disk as a replacement or fixed your hard disk. The last time I RMAed a hard disk, the serial number of the returned drive was different.
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Same happened here. I kept track of my RMAed old 80gb WD hard disk. The one that came back is different looking at the serial no. At least no bad sectors, ah well. whistling.gif
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just send my seagate sv35 hdd to warranty, all data lost  cry.gif
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even SV series can spoilt? I thought SV is much expensive and meant for DVR usage. Running 24/7

So far i have bought more than 10 units of SV35 from 500GB and 1TB, never fails for my customer.
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QUOTE(jimmylim85 @ Jul 17 2010, 11:22 PM)
even SV series can spoilt? I thought SV is much expensive and meant for DVR usage. Running 24/7

So far i have bought more than 10 units of SV35 from 500GB and 1TB, never fails for my customer.
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Sure, as long as the filesystem on the hard disk is FAT32.
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You can also do that with NTFS IF you have Paragon NTFS installed on your Mac.
If the disk is a macdisk, you can use MacDrive instead.
They're not freewares however...
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just bought another 2x 2TB WD Green. @RM400/pc.

still stick with wd brand.
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ooh.. if you download HD movies, have huge multimedia programs like 3D Max, premier and stuff and have big games like wow, (uses about 17gigs of my Hard Disk space) SC2, etc, you'll find that it is easily used up.

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HD movie files and game files eat up a lot of space.
some game like call of duty 6 alone use 11GB of space. sweat.gif
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just bought 2x samsung spinpoint f3 1tb and 1x wd green 1tb from rockrock!!
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just bought 2x samsung spinpoint f3 1tb and 1x wd green 1tb from rockrock!!
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wao, bro, 3tb of harddisk, what is your usage? play raid 0?
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wao, bro, 3tb of harddisk, what is your usage? play raid 0?
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oops wrong already should be wd green 2TB and two samsung s.f3 1tb

wd is obviously for saving 'movies'
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oops wrong already should be wd green 2TB and two samsung s.f3 1tb

wd is obviously for saving 'movies'
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How big the HDD is still not enough. HDD space is always expanding.
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How big the HDD is still not enough. HDD space is always expanding.
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Very true. I have already filled up >10TB of space with my DVD and BD rips, and I have only done about half of my video collection. Haven't even started on my CD collection yet (plan to rip/encode to FLAC and MP3).

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anyone here building their own NAS?
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I have one running 5x2TB WD Green (in SPAN mode) and 2x1TB WD Green (in SPAN mode) off a E7400 + Asus P5N7A-VM, running Vista HP (32-bit) since I have a spare licence. This rig serves as my backup server. I use SPAN mode to create a large block of HD space without redundancy, as this will act as backup storage only (the main storage will be in a RAID-5 array).

I will soon be replacing the CPU/mobo with an unused Q8200 + Gigabyte EP45-UD3P since I plan on using the E7400 plus the mATX P5N7A-VM to build a NAS into my unused SG-01 casing (plan on 5x2TB HDs, 2 in the internal drive bays, 3 in a IcyDock 3-in-2 removable drive cage in the external drive bays). I have started to look around at FreeNAS to run this NAS, and the possibility of using a CF-to-IDE adapter to boot the OS off a CF card via the IDE port. This NAS would be headless and kept in my store-room next to my main home switch.

My main server should be completed by this week, as I just need to pickup a good HSF (thinking of TR's Venomous-X) and a cheap GPU (Radeon 5450 possibly) to power 2 monitors. I will be running 2x2TB WD Black (OS + fast HD for video ripping/encoding), and 8x2TB WD Green in RAID-5 off an Areca RAID controller. I know of the possible TLER issues with the Greens, but the RE4s cost twice as much, and at current prices, the additional cost is RM3.2K. So I am hoping that since I also have a full backup in my other rig and I hope I can change the timeout settings on the Areca controller, things should be ok. CPU is a i7-870 with Gigabyte GA-P55A-UD4P mobo and 8GB of Kingston VR. I've mounted 2 units of IcyDock's 5-in-3 removable HD cage in my CM Stacker casing, and plan to add a 3-in-2 cage as well for another 3 HDs. So in theory, I should have 14TB of RAID-5 storage now, with another 4TB (less what the OS takes up) of fast storage (off the WD Blacks) to speed up my rips/encodes. Potentially another 6TB of storage once I get myself down to Singapore to get my IcyDock drive cage. The OS will be Win7 HP (64-bit) at present, though I will consider using Windows Home Server v2 when it is finally launched.

I will also use my new server to test the CF-to-IDE adapter (using 2x16GB Kingston 133x CF cards) for possible use on the NAS.
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Check this out on the Project called Black Dwarf.
Definitely cheaper than any NAS system available outside but you need the tools and resources to build it. sad.gif

http://www.willudesign.com/BlackDwarfTop.html
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QUOTE(Traveler @ Jul 20 2010, 11:25 AM)
I have one running 5x2TB WD Green (in SPAN mode) and 2x1TB WD Green (in SPAN mode) off a E7400 + Asus P5N7A-VM, running Vista HP (32-bit) since I have a spare licence. This rig serves as my backup server. I use SPAN mode to create a large block of HD space without redundancy, as this will act as backup storage only (the main storage will be in a RAID-5 array).

I will soon be replacing the CPU/mobo with an unused Q8200 + Gigabyte EP45-UD3P since I plan on using the E7400 plus the mATX P5N7A-VM to build a NAS into my unused SG-01 casing (plan on 5x2TB HDs, 2 in the internal drive bays, 3 in a IcyDock 3-in-2 removable drive cage in the external drive bays). I have started to look around at FreeNAS to run this NAS, and the possibility of using a CF-to-IDE adapter to boot the OS off a CF card via the IDE port. This NAS would be headless and kept in my store-room next to my main home switch.

My main server should be completed by this week, as I just need to pickup a good HSF (thinking of TR's Venomous-X) and a cheap GPU (Radeon 5450 possibly) to power 2 monitors. I will be running 2x2TB WD Black (OS + fast HD for video ripping/encoding), and 8x2TB WD Green in RAID-5 off an Areca RAID controller. I know of the possible TLER issues with the Greens, but the RE4s cost twice as much, and at current prices, the additional cost is RM3.2K. So I am hoping that since I also have a full backup in my other rig and I hope I can change the timeout settings on the Areca controller, things should be ok. CPU is a i7-870 with Gigabyte GA-P55A-UD4P mobo and 8GB of Kingston VR. I've mounted 2 units of IcyDock's 5-in-3 removable HD cage in my CM Stacker casing, and plan to add a 3-in-2 cage as well for another 3 HDs. So in theory, I should have 14TB of RAID-5 storage now, with another 4TB (less what the OS takes up) of fast storage (off the WD Blacks) to speed up my rips/encodes.  Potentially another 6TB of storage once I get myself down to Singapore to get my IcyDock drive cage. The OS will be Win7 HP (64-bit) at present, though I will consider using Windows Home Server v2 when it is finally launched.

I will also use my new server to test the CF-to-IDE adapter (using 2x16GB Kingston 133x CF cards) for possible use on the NAS.
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Your NAS look complicating. rclxub.gif

I m using synology NAS with 4x2TB raid 5. And a 1x2TB + 1x1TB media player network to NAS. All the storage already 70% full. I keep the rig simple. Important is using less power. My next expanding should be another 4x2TB raid 5 enclosure to joint to the NAS.
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Arggg...cant find any spinpoint f3 at penang.
How abt WD dark veloraptor? How fast is it compare to normal 7200 HDD?
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QUOTE(temptation1314 @ Jul 20 2010, 12:36 PM)
Check this out on the Project called Black Dwarf.
Definitely cheaper than any NAS system available outside but you need the tools and resources to build it. sad.gif

http://www.willudesign.com/BlackDwarfTop.html
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Looks nice but after factoring cost of tools and resources (plus skills), probably end up costing more than just buying a cheap roomy casing and plugging in all the HDs.

QUOTE(ozak @ Jul 20 2010, 01:07 PM)
Your NAS look complicating. rclxub.gif

I m using synology NAS with 4x2TB raid 5. And a 1x2TB + 1x1TB media player network to NAS. All the storage already 70% full. I keep the rig simple. Important is using less power. My next expanding should be another 4x2TB raid 5 enclosure to joint to the NAS.
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Not that complicated lah:

I have NAS Rig#1 (E7400 on Asus mATX mobo) with 12TB storage (5x2TB WD Green in SPAN mode, 2x1TB WD Green in SPAN mode) running Vista HP (32bit) at current time. The Asus mATX mobo has 5 SATA ports only, and I am currently using a PCIe x1 SATA controller with 2 SATA ports.

I will build NAS Rig#2 (using NAS Rig#1's CPU and mobo) with 10TB storage (5x2TB WD Green or similar HD) in a small compact SG-01 casing. I want to try using a CF card as the OS drive (via the IDE port). Plan to try using FreeNAS as the OS.

Having taken out NAS Rig#1's CPU and mobo, I will use my spare CPU/mobo (Q8200, Gigabyte EP45-UD3R), as its new CPU/mobo, which will allow me to add the 8th HD as the Gigabyte mobo has 8 SATA ports).

Am currently building my main server with 18TB storage (8x2TB WD Green in RAID-5 = 14TB, 2x2TB WD Black = 4TB) using a i7-870 and Gigabyte GA-P55A-UD4P mobo. I use an Areca RAID controller to hook up the 8 RAID drives, and the rest I use the onboard SATA ports (2x2TB WD Black, 2x BD optical drives, 3x future HDs, 1x spare). Plan to use Win 7 HP as the OS now, and may change to WHS v2 when that is released. Maybe I should post a pic after I finish assembling the PC this week, so it will be less complicated smile.gif

I also have a Synology DS408 NAS (4x1TB in RAID-5 = 3TB) and a D-Link DNS 323 (plan to put in two old 160GB SATA drives, as this NAS is VERY slow). After I filled up the 3TB on the DS408 in a very short period of time, I decided to go all out and build my main server.

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Not that complicated lah:

I have NAS Rig#1 (E7400 on Asus mATX mobo) with 12TB storage (5x2TB WD Green in SPAN mode, 2x1TB WD Green in SPAN mode) running Vista HP (32bit) at current time. The Asus mATX mobo has 5 SATA ports only, and I am currently using a PCIe x1 SATA controller with 2 SATA ports.
For the SPAN mode, is it NTFS volume based? If one disk fails, will the rest still works?
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Been sometime since I shopped for a HDD, I read the thread and seems like Samsung F3 is worth the price?

The last time I bought a HDD was when the WD 640GB being popular.
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samsung spinpoint f3 1tb is hot now, price cheaper and performance beat wd black 1tb. thumbup.gif
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samsung spinpoint f3 1tb is hot now, price cheaper and performance beat wd black 1tb.  thumbup.gif
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I was checking out Thundermatch's price list.

The Samsung 1TB 32mb is RM215 but the WD 1TB 64mb RM218... but the Black is RM295 @_@. Been sometime since I search for these :S.
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I was checking out Thundermatch's price list.

The Samsung 1TB 32mb is RM215 but the WD 1TB 64mb RM218... but the Black is RM295 @_@. Been sometime since I search for these :S.
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yea, the price drop a lot since the era of wd 640gb.
that time wd 640gb also cost around rm2xx.
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For the SPAN mode, is it NTFS volume based? If one disk fails, will the rest still works?
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performance wise F3 n wd black quite the same..
i want to see bigger platter..
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Alright then, I would source for a Samsung spinpoint f3 1TB then smile.gif. HDD space getting really limited haih.
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Very true. I have already filled up >10TB of space with my DVD and BD rips, and I have only done about half of my video collection. Haven't even started on my CD collection yet (plan to rip/encode to FLAC and MP3).
I have one running 5x2TB WD Green (in SPAN mode) and 2x1TB WD Green (in SPAN mode) off a E7400 + Asus P5N7A-VM, running Vista HP (32-bit) since I have a spare licence. This rig serves as my backup server. I use SPAN mode to create a large block of HD space without redundancy, as this will act as backup storage only (the main storage will be in a RAID-5 array).

I will soon be replacing the CPU/mobo with an unused Q8200 + Gigabyte EP45-UD3P since I plan on using the E7400 plus the mATX P5N7A-VM to build a NAS into my unused SG-01 casing (plan on 5x2TB HDs, 2 in the internal drive bays, 3 in a IcyDock 3-in-2 removable drive cage in the external drive bays). I have started to look around at FreeNAS to run this NAS, and the possibility of using a CF-to-IDE adapter to boot the OS off a CF card via the IDE port. This NAS would be headless and kept in my store-room next to my main home switch.

My main server should be completed by this week, as I just need to pickup a good HSF (thinking of TR's Venomous-X) and a cheap GPU (Radeon 5450 possibly) to power 2 monitors. I will be running 2x2TB WD Black (OS + fast HD for video ripping/encoding), and 8x2TB WD Green in RAID-5 off an Areca RAID controller. I know of the possible TLER issues with the Greens, but the RE4s cost twice as much, and at current prices, the additional cost is RM3.2K. So I am hoping that since I also have a full backup in my other rig and I hope I can change the timeout settings on the Areca controller, things should be ok. CPU is a i7-870 with Gigabyte GA-P55A-UD4P mobo and 8GB of Kingston VR. I've mounted 2 units of IcyDock's 5-in-3 removable HD cage in my CM Stacker casing, and plan to add a 3-in-2 cage as well for another 3 HDs. So in theory, I should have 14TB of RAID-5 storage now, with another 4TB (less what the OS takes up) of fast storage (off the WD Blacks) to speed up my rips/encodes.  Potentially another 6TB of storage once I get myself down to Singapore to get my IcyDock drive cage. The OS will be Win7 HP (64-bit) at present, though I will consider using Windows Home Server v2 when it is finally launched.

I will also use my new server to test the CF-to-IDE adapter (using 2x16GB Kingston 133x CF cards) for possible use on the NAS.
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One word. Wow. Notice, most of your drive is WD, did you get any Samsung? CF to IDE, would it be slow, would be interesting if you can share your journey on NAS. Again, wow.
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QUOTE(mitodna @ Jul 20 2010, 09:18 PM)
One word. Wow. Notice, most of your drive is WD, did you get any Samsung? CF to IDE, would it be slow, would be interesting if you can share your journey on NAS. Again, wow.
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Most are WD due to price and so far in past 2 years, WD has been very reliable, while I had a new 1TB Seagate HD fail on me (lucky it was in a RAID-5 array, so I managed to rebuild with a new drive; Seagate RMA was easily and painless, and I received my refurbished replacement drive soon after). Haven't bought any Samsungs as I figured for my 8-disc RAID-5 array I would stick to the tried and tested. But I am keen to try them out, so may consider them for the additional HDs I will be buying (subject to the price remaining at good levels).

I expect the CF-IDE drive to be slow, but hopefully not too slow. As I only plan to use it in a NAS, I hope it will be ok. In any case, it's just an experiment I am running now, to see if it works well. As I have 2x 16GB CF cards there, I am tempted to see if I can run it in RAID-0 to speed things up.

I just assembled my main server last night, with almost everything hooked up except for the HDs and a few minor items.
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How's the performance of a 750GB and 1TB Samsung Spinpoint F3? Is it the same/about the same? Planning to get either one..
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How's the performance of a 750GB and 1TB Samsung Spinpoint F3? Is it the same/about the same? Planning to get either one..
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You wouldn't feel a difference though.
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WTF is wrong with WD???? Had to RMA another RMAed 1TB WD Green 64mb drive for bad sector...  mad.gif
Never had any issues with my Samsung/Buffalo and Hitachi drives for the last 2 years! whistling.gif
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Ouch.

Perhaps there might be an outside influence like an underpowered or ageing PSU? They can damage your HDD when the HDD loses power at critical moments.
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WD has been demonstrate how their technology in the read/write head to prevent collision with the platter, but if it's power failure that caused the bad sectors, I wonder what WD will do about their "marketing"?
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emmmm... i doubt it has anything to do with the PSU... the fact that they are "green" drives and consume 4-5w less vs the other drives in my rig makes me think maybe it has something to do with the fact that they are GREEN tongue.gif

and i have hdds from every other manufacturer including buffalo/samsung, hitachi, seagate and an aging 250gb WD running a-ok hmm.gif
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Maybe a faulty cable then?

I have two Caviar Greens myself, but the older WD10EADS models. No problems after I RMAed one of them for a possible PSU related failure.
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When idle WD Green seems to lower its spin to save power. It lags when you try to access data from the HDD.

I bought WD green 500GB and it bricks after a month with no burnt marks, smell etc. Luckily can swap 1-to-1 from shop. Too bad data already lost.
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Ugh... all these scary talk about Greens failing is making me itch to get a new HDD. >_<
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hey, i owned WD10EADS too, full of data inside, hopefully it can last long. sweat.gif
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It has nothing to do with green version or not.

It just could be a bad batch only.
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just received my 2x samsung f3 1tb and 1x wd green 2tb from rockrock!! his price is lowest n reliable seller.. wuhooo
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Good luck with your GREEN coz my GREEN is not so green after all (it's RED with three XXX now!) and I was going to use it as a backup drive to store all my precious photos... so I guess that is now out of the question. icon_question.gif
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just received my 2x samsung f3 1tb and 1x wd green 2tb from rockrock!! his price is lowest n reliable seller.. wuhooo
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how much you bought? brows.gif
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hi guys my old cap ayam casing is quite small. what the distance is best to keep the drive apart. i plan to add 1 more hdd (disk no.4) and if do that the hdd will become stick together. maybe about 1cm apart. will new cpu casing can give more space?
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Is that alright to leave the hdd running naked? cox i swap the harddisk between pc and media player often. So most of the time it is running naked.
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samsung rm200 each and wd rm390
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samsung rm200 each and wd rm390
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wao, now 1tb drive reach the price of rm200 already, dropping below rm200 soon. brows.gif
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hey, that's cheap leh.  rclxm9.gif
wao, now 1tb drive reach the price of rm200 already, dropping below rm200 soon.  brows.gif
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1TB drives ARE already below RM200.
Hitachi 1TB Desktar - RM189
Samsung 1TB F3 - RM195
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samsung rm200 each and wd rm390
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1TB drives ARE already below RM200.
Hitachi 1TB Desktar - RM189
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wow, already below rm200, good to hear that. brows.gif
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Hi, is 2TB at 390myr is 64MB version? Thanks.
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1TB drives ARE already below RM200.
Hitachi 1TB Desktar - RM189
Samsung 1TB F3 - RM195
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you discount rm5 for ppl and u call it already dropped below rm200?? because u see ppl selling rm200 so cheap so u want some business so u give rm5 discount. cheapstake eh

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yes bro go search for rockrock at memory & drivers page

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you discount rm5 for ppl and u call it already dropped below rm200?? because u see ppl selling rm200 so cheap so u want some business so u give rm5 discount. cheapstake eh
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195MYR already 1 to 2 week, I don't believe he is the seller, why you so piss off when people giving RM5 discount?

RM5 can buy you a meal already laugh.gif
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hmmm.. then most of the trader in garagesales are busy no time to change their price list?? or still cheating us?? rockrock has the cheapest rm200 the others r like 250 240 235
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i see pc zone price list, the samsung spinpoint f3 selling at rm225. blink.gif
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you discount rm5 for ppl and u call it already dropped below rm200?? because u see ppl selling rm200 so cheap so u want some business so u give rm5 discount. cheapstake eh
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What are you talking about?
What do you mean I discount? I'm not even a seller nor a distributor.

The prices are from viewnet.
Don't belief me? SEE THIS: http://viewnet.com.my/file/Pricelist.pdf

Still don't belief? CALL THEM: (603)-2145 2545

If you even bothered to check the last thread in V2, the last several pages you'll see the prices has dropped below RM200.
Get your own facts right. Don't act smart just because you think you are and call me cheapskate in the process. sleep.gif
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QUOTE(FoxAss @ Jul 22 2010, 08:19 PM)
yes bro go search for rockrock at memory & drivers page

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you discount rm5 for ppl and u call it already dropped below rm200?? because u see ppl selling rm200 so cheap so u want some business so u give rm5 discount. cheapstake eh
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He is NOT the seller.
The price is in fact cheaper than this "RM5 discount". It is actually "RM6 discount". laugh.gif - RM194 according to viewnet's latest price list. (21-7-2010)

Why so serious? hmm.gif

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Exactly... I don't know why he got so serious and called me cheapskate? laugh.gif
Just passing info also kena shoot for no apparent reason.
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I think enough la

Take compu-zone.com price list as benchmark biggrin.gif, but they did not list down the model.

Samsung 1TB -195MYR
Samsung 1.5TB - 250MYR
Samsung 2TB - 360MYR
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QUOTE(Hamas @ Jul 22 2010, 05:12 PM)
hi guys my old cap ayam casing is quite small. what the distance is best to keep the drive apart. i plan to add 1 more hdd (disk no.4) and if do that the hdd will become stick together. maybe about 1cm apart. will new cpu casing can give more space?
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Either you put a bigger case fan that blows the hard disk or the best bet would be investing in a good case. I've seen some cases that has 200mm fan at the front. Imagine the airflow. brows.gif


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Yeah basically the 1TB Samsung is below the RM200 range since weeks ago
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just bought samsung 1tb f3 from jayacom few days ago for rm181. cheapest i can find in lowyat. happy.gif
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Check Jayacom.. Samsung F3 1TB/32MB for RM182... Cheapest in Lowyat.. Price 2W July
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yup, confirm jayacom price is the cheapest now. even i want to nego rm1 discount also kena scold. laugh.gif
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guys, a question:

the transfer speeds of external hdd, does it depend on the casing?

like, are there any difference between cap ayam cases and those that come with the casing by default?

for example, i have this Cliptec case with a 640 gb WD 2.5" caviar blue inside. how would it compare to the WD Passport 2.5" drive?

thanks!
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guys, a question:

the transfer speeds of external hdd, does it depend on the casing?

like, are there any difference between cap ayam cases and those that come with the casing by default?

for example, i have this Cliptec case with a 640 gb WD 2.5" caviar blue inside. how would it compare to the WD Passport 2.5" drive?

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Seriously how come the price for HDD can drop so fast but I don't see the same trend for SSD. I'm thinking to buy one for my gaming setup but now it still over my budget. Anyone know any 'insider' information about SSD price dropping in the future? brows.gif
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Seriously how come the price for HDD can drop so fast but I don't see the same trend for SSD. I'm thinking to buy one for my gaming setup but now it still over my budget. Anyone know any 'insider' information about SSD price dropping in the future? brows.gif
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growing market of HDD. sweat.gif
but i think SSD still takes time, since only enthusiast aiming for them.
which SSD model bro aiming? brows.gif
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QUOTE(besiegetank @ Jul 23 2010, 04:55 PM)
Seriously how come the price for HDD can drop so fast but I don't see the same trend for SSD. I'm thinking to buy one for my gaming setup but now it still over my budget. Anyone know any 'insider' information about SSD price dropping in the future? brows.gif
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Because SSDs are a lot harder to make than HDDs and the next generation of SSD technology isn't quite in place yet. As for 'insider' information, it's well known that Intel is working on releasing it's 3rd gen stuff in the second half of the year. When Intel released their 2nd gen stuff, prices dropped 60%, so hopefully something similar will happen for the 3rd gen.
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Because SSDs are a lot harder to make than HDDs and the next generation of SSD technology isn't quite in place yet. As for 'insider' information, it's well known that Intel is working on releasing it's 3rd gen stuff in the second half of the year. When Intel released their 2nd gen stuff, prices dropped 60%, so hopefully something similar will happen for the 3rd gen.
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Its normal when next gen stuffs come out for electronic products. When I searching for SSD, their prices are still expensive. When I'm thinking I could get 2 1TB drives and RAID0 them for the price of 1 SSD, I simply stopped the mind of getting SSD. Somemore I get 1 TB vs 40GB. ohmy.gif

Wa, Jayacom selling F3 1TB for RM181! Wow! blink.gif RAID0 setup only for RM362, haha.
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haha, maybe aiming SSD for it's access time?
far lower then HDD. brows.gif
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SSD are speculated to be same price but double the storage space by Q4.
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Try to benchmark it, if around 30MB/s, it doesn't really matter much.
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single file, averaging around 37-41 MBps

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multiple files averaging around 8-10 MBps

so, do these values differ much from the "ready-made" external hdds?
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Its normal when next gen stuffs come out for electronic products. When I searching for SSD, their prices are still expensive. When I'm thinking I could get 2 1TB drives and RAID0 them for the price of 1 SSD, I simply stopped the mind of getting SSD. Somemore I get 1 TB vs 40GB. ohmy.gif

Wa, Jayacom selling F3 1TB for RM181! Wow! blink.gif RAID0 setup only for RM362, haha.
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A good SSD will still crush a RAID 4x 1TB array in raw performance like boot speeds. The best way to utilise SSDs is to buy only one for your OS, applications and games partition. Use cheaper huge capacity HDDs for your data storage like audio, video and pictures.



FidelisGVR, for multiple files, HDD performance usually suffers greatly, because their access times are very slow.
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I want to ask something about External Harddisk and i not sure whether am i posting this question in correct section. My friend asking me to help him get a 500gb external hard disk. His budget is around <Rm300. What kind or brand External Hard Disk can he get? 3.5' or 2.5' also can. I nid help since i am a noob XD
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FidelisGVR, for multiple files, HDD performance usually suffers greatly, because their access times are very slow.
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yeah, i know that.. it's just that i'm wondering: can these figures go up (or down) if different hdd enclosures are used, like say if we compare between mine, a cap ayam cliptec enclosure and a WD Passport, for example.
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Maybe the value will go up with e-sata.
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seldom see e-sate external harddisk lo, mostly still usb 2.0 one.
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QUOTE(everling @ Jul 23 2010, 09:47 PM)
A good SSD will still crush a RAID 4x 1TB array in raw performance like boot speeds. The best way to utilise SSDs is to buy only one for your OS, applications and games partition. Use cheaper huge capacity HDDs for your data storage like audio, video and pictures.
FidelisGVR, for multiple files, HDD performance usually suffers greatly, because their access times are very slow.
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Yes, I agree. SSDs are strong in access time. Still, the cost/performance, HDD is still leading including cost/storage size.

I was hoping 80GB or more will be more affordable. 40GB/64Gb is too small for general use. Especially when there are many large programs and files generated by those programs. You always don't want your HDD shown in red color indicate few more GBs available.

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seldom see e-sate external harddisk lo, mostly still usb 2.0 one.
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Yeah. e-sata is quite hard to find. I think USB 3.0 will dominate for the next gen spec.

@mikelim, there are many brands available. Just get those famous one like WD, Seagate, Buffalo etc. Get 2.5" one, 3.5 is simply too big to carry around, unless you want external storage solution for your desktop. icon_rolleyes.gif

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think so, e-sata not a popular interface compared to USB.
also not all motherboard will have e-sata connection. hmm.gif
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if im not mistaken, for ssd you need to allocate ~20% free space, so that the drive wont suffer from performance degradation.

so if 80gb less 20% free space, actual can use until 64gb only, before taking a performance hit. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(mikelim89 @ Jul 23 2010, 10:30 PM)
I want to ask something about External Harddisk and i not sure whether am i posting this question in correct section. My friend asking me to help him get a 500gb external hard disk. His budget is around <Rm300. What kind or brand External Hard Disk can he get? 3.5' or 2.5' also can. I nid help since i am a noob XD
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Since you don't mind the dimension get a 3.5" one, better value for money.
Samsung 1TB Spinpoint F3 (HD103SJ) = RM 181 (Jayacom)
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Nexstar CX (NST-300S2-BK) = RM 75 (LYN traders)

Total = RM256

Edit:
Oops.. overlooked the fact that your friend wanted a 500GB external hard disk... oh well he can get a 1TB one for that budget so you might as well tell him that. tongue.gif

This post has been edited by cannavaro: Jul 24 2010, 05:31 AM
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QUOTE(cannavaro @ Jul 24 2010, 05:30 AM)
Since you don't mind the dimension get a 3.5" one, better value for money.
Samsung 1TB Spinpoint F3 (HD103SJ) = RM 181 (Jayacom)
+
Nexstar CX (NST-300S2-BK) = RM 75 (LYN traders)

Total = RM256

Edit:
Oops.. overlooked the fact that your friend wanted a 500GB external hard disk... oh well he can get a 1TB one for that budget so you might as well tell him that. tongue.gif
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rclxms.gif thx u. i will tell him about this.
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i'm thinking of getting a 2.5" external hdd 500GB, does buffalo ext hd comes with e-sata? or any other better brands that comes with e-sata? thanks in advance
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QUOTE(jolipoli81 @ Jul 24 2010, 02:53 PM)
i'm thinking of getting a 2.5" external hdd 500GB, does buffalo ext hd comes with e-sata? or any other better brands that comes with e-sata? thanks in advance
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e-sata has a limitation, it can't power up the drive..., thus, you need to have a USB and e-sata port

USB 3.0 requires new accessory if you on USB 2.0
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QUOTE(donpapachino @ Jul 24 2010, 04:36 AM)
if im not mistaken, for ssd you need to allocate ~20% free space, so that the drive wont suffer from performance degradation.

so if 80gb less 20% free space, actual can use until 64gb only, before taking a performance hit. sweat.gif
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hey, is that means if i have an 80GB SSD, to avoid performance hit,
then i can only format 64GB to use, then the other 16GB leave it unformat?
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QUOTE(jolipoli81 @ Jul 24 2010, 02:53 PM)
i'm thinking of getting a 2.5" external hdd 500GB, does buffalo ext hd comes with e-sata? or any other better brands that comes with e-sata? thanks in advance
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It doesn't make sense for a 2.5" to have e-sata. That's why you see little 2.5" come with it.
2.5" main function is portability and ease to use.
With e-sata, you either need adapter to power up the hdd, or need to use USB as power supply source. Either one means less portability and troublesome already.

For 3.5" yes, e-sata is useful.
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QUOTE(mitodna @ Jul 24 2010, 05:00 PM)
e-sata has a limitation, it can't power up the drive..., thus, you need to have a USB and e-sata port

USB 3.0 requires new accessory if you on USB 2.0
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jul 24 2010, 05:39 PM)
It doesn't make sense for a 2.5" to have e-sata. That's why you see little 2.5" come with it.
2.5" main function is portability and ease to use.
With e-sata, you either need adapter to power up the hdd, or need to use USB as power supply source. Either one means less portability and troublesome already.

For 3.5" yes, e-sata is useful.
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oh, i didn't know that e-sata couldn't power up the device. thanks for the info anyway
and about usb 3.0, does our conventional USB ports and windows 7 supports it?
according to here, they said it will work fine
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QUOTE(donpapachino @ Jul 24 2010, 04:36 AM)
if im not mistaken, for ssd you need to allocate ~20% free space, so that the drive wont suffer from performance degradation.

so if 80gb less 20% free space, actual can use until 64gb only, before taking a performance hit. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(saturn85 @ Jul 24 2010, 05:20 PM)
hey, is that means if i have an 80GB SSD, to avoid performance hit,
then i can only format 64GB to use, then the other 16GB leave it unformat?
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That used to be the case on 1st gen SSDs (especially those based on Intel) which doesn't support the TRIM command.
So the issue becomes that the drive will get a performance hit over time, wherter or not if you allocate ~20% of space.

These days, SSDs which has the TRIM command doesn't suffer from this issue.
Indilinx, Marvell and Sandforce based SSDs all have the TRIM command supporterd under Windows 7.

However the biggest issue now for SSD (aside from its price obviously), is that Sandforce based SSDs (which provides some of the fastest SSD around the market) suffers from file compression.
Earlier this year, SSDs that are built with the Sandforce controller would come on the pack saying it has 128GB of storage space but really the actual formatted space that you get is only 93GB or so.

The issue is getting resolved now, but Sandforce based SSDs despite being one of the fastest and probably the best value for money (other than cheapo Indilinx Barefoot Eco controllers) still does suffer from the file compression issue.
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Heads up guys.

Wanna know why Samsung's 1TB F3 is bloody cheap at Jayacom? (RM181)

They're OEM drives. I bought 3 units today and checked the serials online, and got this:
CODE
Code 101   This product is a component of a system (OEM).
Please contact the system's manufacturer for service.

The ones I bought at viewnet however, gives a code 100 (This product is under warranty. )

The drives come without the usual plastic housing and 4 screws. Instead you'll get a normal anti static bag. Oh and the warranty is a mere 1 year from the shop... not sure if it is possible to RMA directly to Samsung after that though. With Seagate I've managed to RMA some OEM drives... gonna ask Samsung about this.

The drives however are fine so far.
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never seen this case before...
i got both my HD502HJ with the usual plastic housing

never seen samsung selling their drives in antistatic bag before...

but as for other brands such as WD and seagate... this case is very common
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QUOTE(cannavaro @ Jul 24 2010, 09:34 PM)
Heads up guys.

Wanna know why Samsung's 1TB F3 is bloody cheap at Jayacom? (RM181)

They're OEM drives. I bought 3 units today and checked the serials online, and got this:
CODE
Code 101   This product is a component of a system (OEM).
Please contact the system's manufacturer for service.

The ones I bought at viewnet however, gives a code 100 (This product is under warranty. )

The drives come without the usual plastic housing and 4 screws. Instead you'll get a normal anti static bag. Oh and the warranty is a mere 1 year from the shop... not sure if it is possible to RMA directly to Samsung after that though. With Seagate I've managed to RMA some OEM drives... gonna ask Samsung about this.

The drives however are fine so far.
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QUOTE(mitodna @ Jul 20 2010, 09:18 PM)
CF to IDE, would it be slow,
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Results of my ad-hoc testing using 2x 16GB Kingston 133x CF cards in RAID-0 on a CF-to-IDE adapter (BIOS recognizes two drives, RAID-0 setup under Win7 as BIOS does not support RAID for the IDE channels):

Files used: 4.6GB of DVD rip files
Read (from CF cards to WD Black): 42MB/s
Write (from WD Black to CF cards): 9MB/s

As expected the write speed was quite slow, while the read speed was actually not bad. I would imagine if I didn't RAID the cards, the speed would have been much slower.
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Samsung's hot 1TB F3 is now RM189 at Viewnet... and they're not the OEM version so you'll get the nice and rare plastic housing plus 4 screws for each drive you purchase. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(cannavaro @ Jul 24 2010, 09:34 PM)
Heads up guys.

Wanna know why Samsung's 1TB F3 is bloody cheap at Jayacom? (RM181)

They're OEM drives. I bought 3 units today and checked the serials online, and got this:
CODE
Code 101   This product is a component of a system (OEM).
Please contact the system's manufacturer for service.

The ones I bought at viewnet however, gives a code 100 (This product is under warranty. )

The drives come without the usual plastic housing and 4 screws. Instead you'll get a normal anti static bag. Oh and the warranty is a mere 1 year from the shop... not sure if it is possible to RMA directly to Samsung after that though. With Seagate I've managed to RMA some OEM drives... gonna ask Samsung about this.

The drives however are fine so far.
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how did u check the serials online? and how many digits are the numbers? check from the plastic housing or on the hdd itself?

when i bought from them few days ago, i did get the plastic housing + 4 screws:
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QUOTE(donpapachino @ Jul 25 2010, 06:18 AM)
how did u check the serials online? and how many digits are the numbers? check from the plastic housing or on the hdd itself?

when i bought from them few days ago, i did get the plastic housing + 4 screws:
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Check here:
http://www.samsunghddvalue.com/WebRMA/WarrantyCheck/

The serial number is on the drive. Check the status of your drive and post it here.
Since you got the plastic housing and screws... yours might not be OEM. hmm.gif

Did they tell you anything about the warranty?
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guys, wanna know if firmware flashing affects the data on the drive? have a seagate with bad firmware, thinking of flashing to the updated firmware, but there's still data in the drive.
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QUOTE(cannavaro @ Jul 25 2010, 06:57 AM)
Check here:
http://www.samsunghddvalue.com/WebRMA/WarrantyCheck/

The serial number is on the drive. Check the status of your drive and post it here.
Since you got the plastic housing and screws... yours might not be OEM.  hmm.gif

Did they tell you anything about the warranty?
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they tell got 1-year shop warranty & total 3 years samsung warranty. just checked the website you give & warranty until 2013. so i guess mine is not oem. brows.gif
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Man you are lucky. How many units did you purchase? And from which branch?
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Man you are lucky. How many units did you purchase? And from which branch?
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1 only, from jayacom on the highest lyp floor. tongue.gif
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Checked both of my drives
Warranty till 2013 as well smile.gif
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may i know wats the difference between HDD of 32mb and 64mb??

like western digital 32mb, and 64mb is it the speed difference???

which is better?
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QUOTE(robotizer @ Jul 26 2010, 03:36 AM)
may i know wats the difference between HDD of 32mb and 64mb??

like western digital 32mb, and 64mb is it the speed difference???

which is better?
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Little difference.

A blue 16mb is still way fast than a 64mb green.

Just initial burst speed difference only.
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QUOTE(robotizer @ Jul 26 2010, 03:36 AM)
may i know wats the difference between HDD of 32mb and 64mb??

like western digital 32mb, and 64mb is it the speed difference???

which is better?
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WD 64mb is an Advance Format Drive with a 4k sector size. If you plan to use it on Win XP, you need to download a utility from WD to align the drives or it will crawl like a baby biggrin.gif
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Hey guys, i just got back my rma 500gb seagate. The thing is, it appears on my deviceanager, but not MyComputer, so i cant use it. im sure its connected properly.

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did u create a partition for it ?
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Goto Control Panel\All Control Panel Items\Administrative Tools

Computer Management > Disk Management


Create partition or initialize your disk from there.
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QUOTE(cannavaro @ Jul 24 2010, 09:34 PM)
Heads up guys.

Wanna know why Samsung's 1TB F3 is bloody cheap at Jayacom? (RM181)

They're OEM drives. I bought 3 units today and checked the serials online, and got this:
CODE
Code 101   This product is a component of a system (OEM).
Please contact the system's manufacturer for service.

The ones I bought at viewnet however, gives a code 100 (This product is under warranty. )

The drives come without the usual plastic housing and 4 screws. Instead you'll get a normal anti static bag. Oh and the warranty is a mere 1 year from the shop... not sure if it is possible to RMA directly to Samsung after that though. With Seagate I've managed to RMA some OEM drives... gonna ask Samsung about this.

The drives however are fine so far.
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Mind to tell me where to check the serials?
BTW, do we need to register the Samsung HDD online? Just got my spinpoint 1tb.
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Mind to tell me where to check the serials?
BTW, do we need to register the Samsung HDD online? Just got my spinpoint 1tb.
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the serial should be on the hdd label.
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the serial should be on the hdd label.
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tongue.gif As in the link to check the serials of HDD.
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QUOTE(5564321 @ Jul 26 2010, 05:04 PM)
tongue.gif As in the link to check the serials of HDD.
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Check post 286. biggrin.gif

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Where to claim warranty for WD hard disk?
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Check post 286.  biggrin.gif
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Swt rclxub.gif , how come I never saw it. Thanks for the input. biggrin.gif
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hello all, can help me to determine my desktop internal Western Digital Blue 500GB HDD transferring speed is Slow or Fast ? icon_question.gif icon_question.gif


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hello all, can help me to determine my desktop internal Western Digital Blue 500GB HDD transferring speed is Slow or Fast ? icon_question.gif  icon_question.gif
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benchmark using this and post the score.

http://crystalmark.info/software/CrystalDi...rk/index-e.html
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1.5TB EcoGreen F3 --> HD153WI
mine will arrive today...looking forward to using it..
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QUOTE(aimandoul @ Jul 28 2010, 08:39 AM)
1.5TB EcoGreen F3 --> HD153WI
mine will arrive today...looking forward to using it..
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Same tech as the HD103SJ?


Actually I'm looking forward to some thing like the Spinpoint F3 1Tb but in 2TB flavor, any Sifu can recommend?

Also which external HDD have shock proof and capacity at or above 500GB? Brand and cost?
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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Jul 28 2010, 11:48 AM)
Same tech as the HD103SJ?
Actually I'm looking forward to some thing like the Spinpoint F3 1Tb but in 2TB flavor, any Sifu can recommend?
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No at the moment, 1.5TB and 2TB currently only available in EG (Eco Green) model, and it's running at 5,400rpm.
If you want speed and capacity of 2TB, take Western Digital Carviar Black 2TB.
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report in, my 1tb mybook wd green cavier external hd....Kong...after checking, found the external casing faulty....

take out the hd, use it inside my cpu....

this external HD i use it once a month for my backup purpose. last me 9mnth only mean 9 times with everage 2 hour only per mnth. big problem is, i lost the warranty receipt during my house moving....haizz

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QUOTE(dominic @ Jul 28 2010, 12:25 PM)
report in, my 1tb mybook wd green cavier external hd....Kong...after checking, found the external casing faulty....

take out the hd, use it inside my cpu....

this external HD i use it once a month for my backup purpose. last me 9mnth only mean 9 times with everage 2 hour only per mnth. big problem is, i lost the warranty receipt ftpng my house moving....haizz
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If it is WD, just submit RMA at WDC.COM , but be careful to assemble back the hard disk and case.
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benchmark using this and post the score.

http://crystalmark.info/software/CrystalDi...rk/index-e.html
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ok, here is it: biggrin.gif

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No at the moment, 1.5TB and 2TB currently only available in EG (Eco Green) model, and it's running at 5,400rpm.
If you want speed and capacity of 2TB, take Western Digital Carviar Black 2TB.
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Western Digital Carviar Black 2TB? hmm.gif This one running hot or not? Wat's the best price for this WD Black 2TB currently?
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I would rather buy 2 samsung F3 1TB for RAID-0 than buying WD Black 2TB

Well ... that was just me
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I would rather buy 2 samsung F3 1TB for RAID-0 than buying WD Black 2TB

Well ... that was just me
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RAID-0 is dangerous to begins with, it does offers almost double the burst speed though
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yup very dangerous because its RAID-0 2TB, but considering the performance of f3 hdds would like to try tongue.gif.

If RAID-0 for much smaller harddisk is safer or put it this way, RAID 0+1. Mirror + striping
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Western Digital Carviar Black 2TB? hmm.gif  This one running hot or not? Wat's the best price for this WD Black 2TB currently?
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most hard disk consume less than 10W (including WD Black), so it doesn't run hot.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/storage/d...2_16.html#sect0
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QUOTE(fariz @ Jul 29 2010, 02:19 PM)
most hard disk consume less than 10W (including WD Black), so it doesn't run hot.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/storage/d...2_16.html#sect0
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it think 10 watt for power rating. how about temperature?

normally in our country and environment, operating temperature could kill the HDD.

From WD website:

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Operating 32° F to 140° F


In my case, harddisk load can be around 45 degrees.
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last time my harddisk temperature around 50c.
with cap ayam casing, no air flow one. sweat.gif
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50c is high~~
mine avg 35c, hottest also 40c
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i heard Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB good review so i go C-Zone get one myself , havent test yet.
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QUOTE(win7 @ Jul 28 2010, 06:24 PM)
ok, here is it: biggrin.gif

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master Fariz & my friends here, i ady posted my WD Blue Benchmark test here, anyone can help me?


notworthy.gif notworthy.gif


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Any sifus can recommend a good external enclosure for F3? Budget under RM100.
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50c is high~~
mine avg 35c, hottest also 40c
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ya.. fortunately it still can survive until i open all the dvd drive slot to let air flow in. sweat.gif tongue.gif
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master Fariz & my friends here, i ady posted my WD Blue Benchmark test here, anyone can help me?
notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
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That seems normal.

QUOTE(5564321 @ Jul 30 2010, 02:49 AM)
Any sifus can recommend a good external enclosure for F3? Budget under RM100.
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My earlier post:
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Nexstar CX (NST-300S2-BK) = RM 75 (LYN traders)
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Your benchmark score seems normal~~
Is your WD HDD close to full? or you are transferring to an external HDD?
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50c is high~~
mine avg 35c, hottest also 40c
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So far in my dual 5-in-3 drive enclosure (80mm fan at the back, exhausting into case) that is stacked on top of each other, my drives are showing temps between 37C-43C. Drives are 1x WD Black, 4x WD Green in each enclosure. The Greens are RAIDed so when I access my RAIDed drive, all 8 Greens will run. So far so good, no heat issues.
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Anyone heard of the WD black Scorpio? Launching soon or launched already i think
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That seems normal.
My earlier post:
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is it true that there is a limit for a hardisk to be formatted.. means that if u formatted it a lot.. the disk will be useless mucchhhh more earlier than expected..
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is it true that there is a limit for a hardisk to be formatted.. means that if u formatted it a lot.. the disk will be useless mucchhhh more earlier than expected..
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Bought the infamous WD Green 2TB 64mb .... then only saw this thread .... kaw .... alot bad story about this disk ... was planning to keep alot of "glory" into it ..... now torturing the drive by simply write in and out and read at the same time ..... tommorrow wake up and see how tongue.gif

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CrystalDiskMark 3.0 © 2007-2010 hiyohiyo
Crystal Dew World : http://crystalmark.info/
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* MB/s = 1,000,000 byte/s [SATA/300 = 300,000,000 byte/s]

Sequential Read : 121.293 MB/s
Sequential Write : 119.564 MB/s
Random Read 512KB : 40.285 MB/s
Random Write 512KB : 67.669 MB/s
Random Read 4KB (QD=1) : 0.465 MB/s [ 113.5 IOPS]
Random Write 4KB (QD=1) : 1.170 MB/s [ 285.8 IOPS]
Random Read 4KB (QD=32) : 0.557 MB/s [ 136.0 IOPS]
Random Write 4KB (QD=32) : 1.172 MB/s [ 286.2 IOPS]

Test : 1000 MB [F: 4.0% (73.8/1863.0 GB)] (x1)
Date : 2010/07/30 23:48:07
OS : Windows 7 Enterprise Edition [6.1 Build 7600] (x86)


** The old WD Blue 160G 16mb does serve me well, 3 year dee still kicking !

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juz bought 1.5tb Samsung hdd... HD154UI from C-zone Digital Mall yesterday night at Rm250

anyone using it nw ? its not SpinPoint 3 but how is the performance ? lol
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Any of you running RAID-5 mind sharing what your transfer rates are, for comparison purposes?
I don't have much to compare yet, just a network-based file copy (since its a huge one, needs time to finish)

I'm running 8x 2TB WD Green (WD20EARS) in RAID-5 on an Areca ARC-1222 controller (Win 7 HP 64-bit).

LAN-based transfer over 1Gbps LAN from another PC, 4x 2TB WD Green (WD20EARS) in SPAN mode to the local RAID-5 array, using Windows file copy from mapped drive
Total transfer size: 6.69TB (estimated total transfer time: 24 hours) - entirely video files in .avi, .mkv, and BD/DVD rip directories.

Average transfer rate: 74.9MB/s (as measured after 2.18TB has been transferred)
My NIC is showing I am using around 700Mbps of the LAN bandwidth, so not sure if the LAN is saturated (with the remainder used by the LAN overhead) or if the bottleneck is the RAID-5 write speed or the source SPAN array (my guess is that it's either the RAID-5 write speed or the LAN is saturated).

Once this is completed, I will try some other combinations like WD Black -> RAID 5 (same computer) and then in reverse, to get a read-based transfer rate.
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juz bought 1.5tb Samsung hdd... HD154UI from C-zone Digital Mall yesterday night at Rm250

anyone using it nw ? its not SpinPoint 3 but how is the performance ? lol
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These are HD154UI test result, a full partition that filled with 85.7%

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* MB/s = 1,000,000 byte/s [SATA/300 = 300,000,000 byte/s]

Sequential Read : 69.158 MB/s
Sequential Write : 66.240 MB/s
Random Read 512KB : 24.911 MB/s
Random Write 512KB : 29.820 MB/s
Random Read 4KB (QD=1) : 0.296 MB/s [ 72.2 IOPS]
Random Write 4KB (QD=1) : 0.694 MB/s [ 169.5 IOPS]
Random Read 4KB (QD=32) : 0.452 MB/s [ 110.4 IOPS]
Random Write 4KB (QD=32) : 0.690 MB/s [ 168.6 IOPS]

Test : 1000 MB [G: 85.7% (1197.3/1397.3 GB)] (x5)
Date : 2010/08/01 11:55:58
OS : Windows 7 Ultimate Edition [6.1 Build 7600] (x64)

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QUOTE(Traveler @ Aug 1 2010, 11:55 AM)
Any of you running RAID-5 mind sharing what your transfer rates are, for comparison purposes?
I don't have much to compare yet, just a network-based file copy (since its a huge one, needs time to finish)

I'm running 8x 2TB WD Green (WD20EARS) in RAID-5 on an Areca ARC-1222 controller (Win 7 HP 64-bit).

LAN-based transfer over 1Gbps LAN from another PC, 4x 2TB WD Green (WD20EARS) in SPAN mode to the local RAID-5 array, using Windows file copy from mapped drive
Total transfer size: 6.69TB (estimated total transfer time: 24 hours) - entirely video files in .avi, .mkv, and BD/DVD rip directories.

Average transfer rate: 74.9MB/s (as measured after 2.18TB has been transferred)
My NIC is showing I am using around 700Mbps of the LAN bandwidth, so not sure if the LAN is saturated (with the remainder used by the LAN overhead) or if the bottleneck is the RAID-5 write speed or the source SPAN array (my guess is that it's either the RAID-5 write speed or the LAN is saturated).

Once this is completed, I will try some other combinations like WD Black -> RAID 5 (same computer) and then in reverse, to get a read-based transfer rate.
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Hi, you got a really nice Areca ARC-1222. may I know where do you buy it? A quick lookup it is hovering 400usd sweat.gif

Getting 74.9MB/s is great.

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Hi, you got a really nice Areca ARC-1222. may I know where do you buy it? A quick lookup it is hovering 400usd  sweat.gif

Getting 74.9MB/s is great.
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I bought it at this out-of-the-way shop in Sim Lim Square (Singapore) - think it was TakNet, they cater mostly to businesses but I dropped by and they had a whole range of Areca and Promise RAID cards. I don't have the receipt here with me, but I remember paying around S$700 for it plus some accessory cables (before GST refund of $34).
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QUOTE(ahhann @ Jul 30 2010, 11:42 PM)
Bought the infamous WD Green 2TB 64mb .... then only saw this thread .... kaw .... alot bad story about this disk ... was planning to keep alot of "glory" into it ..... now torturing the drive by simply write in and out and read at the same time ..... tommorrow wake up and see how tongue.gif

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CrystalDiskMark 3.0 © 2007-2010 hiyohiyo
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* MB/s = 1,000,000 byte/s [SATA/300 = 300,000,000 byte/s]

          Sequential Read :  121.293 MB/s
          Sequential Write :  119.564 MB/s
        Random Read 512KB :    40.285 MB/s
        Random Write 512KB :    67.669 MB/s
    Random Read 4KB (QD=1) :    0.465 MB/s [  113.5 IOPS]
  Random Write 4KB (QD=1) :    1.170 MB/s [  285.8 IOPS]
  Random Read 4KB (QD=32) :    0.557 MB/s [  136.0 IOPS]
  Random Write 4KB (QD=32) :    1.172 MB/s [  286.2 IOPS]

  Test : 1000 MB [F: 4.0% (73.8/1863.0 GB)] (x1)
  Date : 2010/07/30 23:48:07
    OS : Windows 7 Enterprise Edition [6.1 Build 7600] (x86)
 

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don't be disheartened... hahaha...

the good about the wd greens... they are super quiet and green (as in low power consumption) if you plan on saving the earth and mankind. the bad is that i'm on my third rma... and i didn't even get to run any torture tests on them yet!!! fortunately they come with 3 years warranty whistling.gif
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Guys, i'm looking out for an external HDD 500GB around RM200-250.Which model/brand is good?

My friend dropped his WD Elements and all his data went kapoot.WD boleh tak? hmm.gif
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Guys, i'm looking out for an external HDD 500GB around RM200-250.Which model/brand is good?

My friend dropped his WD Elements and all his data went kapoot.WD boleh tak? hmm.gif
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Sorry for being random, but is your friend a teacher?

btw, you can get a 2.5" 500GB Transcend anti-shock external hdd for RM235 or thereabouts...

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Sorry for being random, but is your friend a teacher?

btw, you can get a 2.5" 500GB Transcend anti-shock external hdd for RM235 or thereabouts...
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No he's not.Your teacher brings HDD to school? biggrin.gif

Is that really good?I'm usually skeptical about "marketing claims" but Toshiba seems reliable.How about the likes of Seagate?
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Noticed the Seagate 1TB 3.5" for only RM249!!!! thumbup.gif rclxms.gif OMGGG should i grab it??
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Samsung F4EG 2TB, 667GB per platter

http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/03/samsung...s-2tb-for-less/
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Noticed the Seagate 1TB 3.5" for only RM249!!!! thumbup.gif  rclxms.gif OMGGG should i grab it??
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Yeap, its a great deal.
Considering that it is a 7200.12 Barracuda under that, it is a better deal than the WD Elements... if you're looking at speed alone.
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Yeap, its a great deal.
Considering that it is a 7200.12 Barracuda under that, it is a better deal than the WD Elements... if you're looking at speed alone.
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It says there "Expansion External Drive".Is this really an external HDD or just an expansion bay or something rclxub.gif

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Samsung F4EG 2TB, 667GB per platter

http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/03/samsung...s-2tb-for-less/
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It says there "Expansion External Drive".Is this really an external HDD or just an expansion bay or something rclxub.gif
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Its the name of that Seagate external HDD.
Stupid name I know.

So its always confusing going around to say "I want a Seagate expansion external drive".
Most salesmen would just bring you the raptor or Go Flex version instead. doh.gif

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Ha, soon, properly around September, we going to see people demanding F4.
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And best of all... it'll cost less than RM350.
Right now the Ecogreen 2TB is going for RM360... laugh.gif

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I am still waiting for desktop harddisk to breach 2T in single disk meaning i 3T or 4T per disk. So come on WD/Sammy and Seagate - show us what you got!
Boring lah 2T sad.gif

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I am still waiting for desktop harddisk to breach 2T in single disk. When will be get it and when it will come down to mainstream price once its available?

Boring lah 2T sad.gif
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2TB per disk is already available
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is there any shop selling samsung 2TB lower than RM360?

czone aug 01 prices:
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is there any shop selling samsung 2TB lower than RM360?
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Samsung F4EG 2TB, 667GB per platter

http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/03/samsung...s-2tb-for-less/
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So fast f4 dy , my f3 also havent fulfill it sad.gif
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Hi...I planning to get a external 2.5 hdd..which one do u all think is better, western digital passports essential or the seagate freeagent go...your advises are welcome...

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hdd 500gb 7200rpm 32mb cache RM120 is cheap at lowyat plaza.. but too bad I'm live at Johor, can someone suggest to me any seller that sell the hdd same as lowyat plaza price?
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any1 know segate momentus XT hybrid SSD available in malaysia yet?
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any1 know segate momentus XT hybrid SSD available in malaysia yet?
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I think somebody sell this harddisk in the Garage Sales... price only RM1 per GB brows.gif ... click here http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...&hl=momentus+xt


I bought Samsung F3 1TB at Cycom yesterday. After checking online, the harddisk is OEM. However shop give 3 years warranty (1st year by shop).

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WD 2.5" 500gb only 150MYR
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Sure or not?
Where and which flavour?
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Where and which flavour?
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Viewnet and Cycom.
However, understand that it is the drive only.

WD Passports are still around the RM200 range.

Good time to buy HDDs though, as I'm expecting a slight bit of shortage after PC fair.
Seagate Expansion 1TB only selling for RM239 now, RM10 less from the week before lol.
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It should be a myth for normal hard disk. For SSD, if without TRIM, it will reduce wear level each format
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How to check the SSD whether is trim or not ?
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Eg. it does state it support TRIM http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/soli...sata_ii_2_5-ssd
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pc fair selling 2tb samsung internal hdd for rm338.....
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WD 2.5" 500gb only 150MYR
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Viewnet and Cycom.
However, understand that it is the drive only.

WD Passports are still around the RM200 range.

Good time to buy HDDs though, as I'm expecting a slight bit of shortage after PC fair.
Seagate Expansion 1TB only selling for RM239 now, RM10 less from the week before lol.
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Not too sure whether it is wrong price list, it is now listed at 170MYR, wasted, did not shop it...
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eh RM295 for a WD Mybook Elite 1TB Ext HDD cheap?
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Saw Viewnet listed it on 489myr, not sure whether they got stock or not.
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pc fair selling 2tb samsung internal hdd for rm338.....
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Hell of a deal... my hands are itchy again to get another 2TB.


QUOTE(mitodna @ Aug 7 2010, 10:49 AM)
Not too sure whether it is wrong price list, it is now listed at 170MYR, wasted, did not shop it...
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Oooh... you'r right.
I did see it for RM165 on Cycom though.
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which shop?
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Yea wanna know which shop too.
Most price lists, pre-PC fair are listing the F3EG @ RM350.

RM338 is a steal.

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Aihz... just bought my F3EG 2TB June @ RM4xx, and it sink like titanic, and.... NO PC FAIR @ KUCHING, WHY?? WHY?? ToT;;
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Samsung 2TB no stock d. i ended up buying 1.5TB at RM240
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Samsung 2TB no stock d. i ended up buying 1.5TB at RM240
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Maybe distributor import too little and demand increase sky rocket.
My last purchase need to wait 2 weeks but no regret thumbup.gif
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Samsung 2TB no stock d. i ended up buying 1.5TB at RM240
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hi, which shop? thank you
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i bought my 1.5TB at Dexcom, near the end of hall 3. they said 2tb bo stock jor.  sweat.gif
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nope dont see any. 2TB samsungs i think all gone d
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anyone interested in trading 2 x160GB or 2x 250GB hdd with my seagate 500GB?
i wan to try RAID
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hi..juswanna ask a bit...mine brought 1T buffalo link station life...but i c dat it only can connect using lan..do u have any idea if it can connect to laptop/pc only using usb??but usb cable is not given..thanks in advance

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hi..juswanna ask a bit...mine brought 1T buffalo link station life...but i c dat it only can connect using lan..do u have any idea if it can connect to laptop/pc only using usb??but usb cable is not given..thanks in advance

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1517950&hl=
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Just buy the same USB connector head on both end, you can easily find this at any computer shops.
If you afraid that might not work, try borrowing from friends that has such cable.
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samsung 2tb still available....bought 1 today
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how much you got it? drool.gif brows.gif rclxms.gif
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There are still some 2TB F3EG available.
Check LYP tmr... but after they're sold, will be a week or 2 before it gets replenished.
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Ah you see the USB port at the casing?
Just buy the same USB connector head on both end, you can easily find this at any computer shops.
If you afraid that might not work, try borrowing from friends that has such cable.
Hope that helps. icon_rolleyes.gif
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i think like u also..but stated at the manual dat the usb port is use to expand the storage...do u think that if i find a suitable cable it will connect like a normal external??thanks for ur opinion
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Just installed Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB,

Did a quick CrystalMark benchmark,

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versus my old WD 640GB,

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Off I go to install OS on the new HDD biggrin.gif
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Yup, thats the difference.....
Spinpoint F3 avgs 130MB/sec
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guys...im thinking of getting 1.5tb HDDs for my htpc....mainly to store downloaded files... and they will be running 24/7 in my htpc/download rig.

ill be downloading into another 1tb drive... and extracting the rar files into the 1.5tb.

so the 1.5tb will only see minor writes... some reads and thats about it.


any suggested HDDs?

speed and low power consumption would be nice...
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Probably u can try the Spinpoint Eco Green HDDs
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guys...im thinking of getting 1.5tb HDDs for my htpc....mainly to store downloaded files... and they will be running 24/7 in my htpc/download rig.

ill be downloading into another 1tb drive... and extracting the rar files into the 1.5tb.

so the 1.5tb will only see minor writes... some reads and thats about it.
any suggested HDDs?

speed and low power consumption would be nice...
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EcoGreen F3EG?
WD Green is alright too really.
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A good read. Click the below link for more ... smile.gif

In 3 Years, Your HDD Will Hold 100TB or More

Who doesn't want more storage?

Consistent capacity growth in hard disk drives (HDDs) has become something we take for granted. It isn’t so trivial if you think about the fact that there are in fact physical limits to how much data you can store on one disk and every now and then we are nearing a limit that can’t be topped anymore. The last limit was hit in 2005 and the next seems to be arriving in the 2013 – 2015 timeframe. However, a new technology breathes new life into HDDs. HAMR will bring massive storage growth and propel the industry far beyond 100 TB.

More info: http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/hdd-ssd-hard...news-34026.html
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100TB = I like. nod.gif
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if hdd 100tb, but with ssd-like speed. brows.gif
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Is the Samsung F3 1TB HD103SJ still the best overall 1TB HDD? Or is there a newer model?
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No newer model..That is the lastest in market

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Just got one of these, satisfied with the money spent on it =)
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Yes..F3 is the best in term price/performance for now
No newer model..That is the lastest in market
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But its warranty period shorter than WD Black Caviar of the same range.
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But its warranty period shorter than WD Black Caviar of the same range.
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EcoGreen F3EG?
WD Green is alright too really.
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how good is the samsung 1.5tb hdd? hows the speed of these HDDs?

i already have the wd green 1tb...and after about a year of heavy downloading...the HDD is super friggin slow now...

if im extracting a rar file, itll practically cease all other writes in process...downloads will practically go to 0kbps and extraction will take forever.
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That's very unusual and might be indicative of more serious problems. The only "aging" sign should be heavy disk fragmentation. But even at its worst shouldn't exhibit this level of a performance problem.
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WD Black 1TB is 285myr, while Samsung 1TB is 195myr. That mean WD Black is about 46% expensive than Samsung for extra 2 years.
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how good is the samsung 1.5tb hdd? hows the speed of these HDDs?

i already have the wd green 1tb...and after about a year of heavy downloading...the HDD is super friggin slow now...

if im extracting a rar file, itll practically cease all other writes in process...downloads will practically go to 0kbps and extraction will take forever.
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Pretty.... unusual sounding to me.
I have a WD 1TB Green too and I don't have this sort of problem.

I'm sure you do defrag your HDD right?
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Good news for those hardcore downloaders. nod.gif

But frequent backup is needed to avoid TOTAL big lost of datas if the hd decides to give up.

Anyway, hoping the 2tb hds to drop to around 300 bucks though by the end of this year. tongue.gif
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WD Elements 2TB or Mybook Elite 2TB/1TB?
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Either one.
Doesn't matter which. The Elite is more expensive however.


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Good news for those hardcore downloaders.  nod.gif

But frequent backup is needed to avoid TOTAL big lost of datas if the hd decides to give up.

Anyway, hoping the 2tb hds to drop to around 300 bucks though by the end of this year.  tongue.gif
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It will hapen well before the end of the year. smile.gif
3TB will be breaching to the mainstream next year.
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guy i have an infamous 1TB seagate that recently decided just give up on me.
It was flashed to SD1A from SD15 and works fine for some period of time, but suddenly it just not detactable anymore and making the clicking noise once power is connected (I am using it as external with HDD dock).

Does this mean that my HDD is totally dead?

I did tried to plug into my PC directly with PSU and the same results appears.
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Sounds like it's dead, especially with the dreaded clicking noise. From my experience so far, when a drive makes clicking noise it's a certain death.
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hi guys...wanna ask...i got 2 dead hdd...one is 250Gb sata (recently) n another one is 20Gb IDE (been dead for like 3 or 4 years now lol)...

is it possible to recover the files? heard there's a service for this kinda thing...but how much does it cost?

thx...

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hi guys...wanna ask...i got 2 dead hdd...one is 250Gb sata (recently) n another one is 20Gb IDE (been dead for like 3 or 4 years now lol)...

is it possible to recover the files? heard there's a service for this kinda thing...but how much does it cost?

thx...
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Recover service is very expensive, unless yours is those very important files that can't be replaced. Else, get 2 new HDDs and make RAID1 in future, the failure of both HDDs are much lower.
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QUOTE(ray148 @ Aug 13 2010, 08:13 AM)
hi guys...wanna ask...i got 2 dead hdd...one is 250Gb sata (recently) n another one is 20Gb IDE (been dead for like 3 or 4 years now lol)...

is it possible to recover the files? heard there's a service for this kinda thing...but how much does it cost?

thx...
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It cost more than a bomb.
If doesnt have any important data then just forget about it biggrin.gif
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Sounds like it's dead, especially with the dreaded clicking noise. From my experience so far, when a drive makes clicking noise it's a certain death.
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Yes dreaded clicking noises is a sign of a close to death HDD
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The one I'm having now is when I run antivirus scan on my PC, HDD make some sound (like u forgot to enter clutch when shift gear). Dying sign?
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Continuous klak klak sound right? It will go down soon
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It may be a sign. Better do a backup of your most important stuff now. And if you have only one HDD, it may well be time to think about buying a new one.
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It cost more than a bomb.
If doesnt have any important data then just forget about it  biggrin.gif
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i'm guessing that it'll be 1k at least? ohmy.gif /faint
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i had external hdd wd mybook essential,1.5TB.It used up for 250GB to store my movie,music and other documents,so it left 1.2TB.
My question is how do i partition the rest of 1.2TB without erase my 250GB data?
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Use a program like swissknife to partition.
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ya, klak klak sound, for like ~1mins, at the beginning only
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My brand new 320gb that I bought few months back also got that klak klak sound when during POST. Well, don't seem to have any bad sectors or hangups so far. Monitoring it using hdtune though now.

Are you having only 1 hard disk? Better to have a large capacity hard disk for backups. Even better you backup datas throughout many computers. icon_rolleyes.gif
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I don't know about Seagate but WD do have 1 klak sound during POST which is normal
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I guess every hdd also have that klak klak sound
My 160gb 7200.11 seagate have klak klak sound during high hdd load.
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Guys, which brand of HDD do you think is reliable? Hitachi/WD/Samsung? I don't want speed, just want reliability for data.
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Reliability is subjective~~
For now, best all rounder would be Samsung
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Guys, which brand of HDD do you think is reliable? Hitachi/WD/Samsung? I don't want speed, just want reliability for data.
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Want reliability?
Backup.

It is not right to pro-claim which brand is more reliable than the others, as the actual defective/RMA rate is never being published or known.
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For reliability AND speed, you just can't go wrong with SSDs. tongue.gif

For anything else, you'll need at least two HDDs.
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No such thing for data reliability, but personally believe Made In Thailand > Made In China, guess Samsung is Made In Korea & WD is Made In Malaysia. *P/S: beside HDD, others china make PC parts all I can accept. biggrin.gif

Because my HDD kong is Hitachi which labeled "Made In China", others Hitachi / Seagate all "Made In Thailand".

Always monitor the HDD temperature to keep it longer life span, add fan for it, do pc inner clean up at least half year.
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have a look here, just for REFERENCE ONLY:
Study: A Look At Hard Drive Reliability In Russia
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I repost at here, as I find many misunderstand about the failure rate issue. It is not about Seagate HDD failed more than 50% or WD HDD failed 19%.

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So assume there is 10000 hdd out there.
While there assume there is 100 HDD reported fail, (out of 10000 hdd).

WD sells 3000 hdd, 19 defective hdd is from them 19%
Samsung sells 900 hdd, 7 defective hdd is from them 7%

The 19% is not the failure rate of WD aka if WD sells 3000, the total failed hdd is not 3000 x 19%.
19% is just the amount of total failed HDD collected that belonged to them.
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There's no such thing as perfect reliability, not even the most perfect machine in the world does.
That's why there's RAID technology, to overcome such issue. whistling.gif

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anyone know when Samsung F4 drives reaching Malaysia? i just planned to buy 2TB but now only i realized got old news say F4 launching in US on September. Should i wait? Is it worthy to wait? what difference does 3 platter make compared to 4 platter??
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I am also waiting for the F4 version. However, left 471gb hard disk space left. smile.gif I think I can last for 2 months. Hopes got F4 version selling here.
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Less power consumption.

Some claimed less power consumption, lower heat -> more reliable.
Some also claimed less platter, less prone to Hdd failure, as you need either 1/4 platter to fail, then whole hdd might not be used anymore as compared 1/3.

Higher density, lower seek time.

But I would say, all above are negligible effect.

For computer hardware, always buy what you need time.
Don't need future proof, nor wait for newer stuff.

Wait for F4 time, may wait for F5, and forever waiting.... laugh.gif

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but now hdd price drop alot.. worth waiting.. until the current space fully consumed..
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1 month ago my 160gb hitachi klik klik sound..try and try dont work anymore..fine its dead

now 4am still in imsomnia state nth better to do lol plug it in while pc running restart and wallaa it works again

any explanation to this?
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Somebody high above you has given you another opportunity to retrieve your data. Take it!

Maybe it's 'alive' for now because it was from a cold boot. Once the drive warms up, the problems might come back again. This behaviour is what I used to retrieve what I could from one of my HDDs before having to RMA it.
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Somebody high above you has given you another opportunity to retrieve your data. Take it!

Maybe it's 'alive' for now because it was from a cold boot. Once the drive warms up, the problems might come back again. This behaviour is what I used to retrieve what I could from one of my HDDs before having to RMA it.
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Hello,which capacity HDD is worth buying now?Is that rational to buy a 1TB than a 1.5TB HDD fill it up and wait for the HDD price to drop further before purchasing a bigger capacity HDD?
What is the price for 1TB and 1.5TB HDD now,cz the price list doesn't update for sometimes.
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QUOTE(StereophileDream @ Aug 23 2010, 12:17 AM)
Hello,which capacity HDD is worth buying now?Is that rational to buy a 1TB than a 1.5TB HDD fill it up and wait for the HDD price to drop further before purchasing a bigger capacity HDD?
What is the price for 1TB and 1.5TB HDD now,cz the price list doesn't update for sometimes.
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FYI, 2TB is the capacity if you really looking into value per byte.
The price will definitely drop, like how I bought my 2TB just 2 months ago with RM4xx, now only RM3xx or much less, cheaper by RM30~50, almost faint-hearted. doh.gif
If you looking at cheapest, I would recommend Samsung drive, they offer 3 years warranty, same as others right now. drool.gif
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interedted to buy 2TB hdd external. how much is the current market price?
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Is it possible to preorder the Samsung F4EG 2 TB ????

Please i need to get it as soonest as possible upon release. Where can i go to order them upon release ?
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QUOTE(StereophileDream @ Aug 23 2010, 12:17 AM)
Hello,which capacity HDD is worth buying now?Is that rational to buy a 1TB than a 1.5TB HDD fill it up and wait for the HDD price to drop further before purchasing a bigger capacity HDD?
What is the price for 1TB and 1.5TB HDD now,cz the price list doesn't update for sometimes.
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just buy 1.5TB now. Its running scarce in lowyat now. Last months its RM270+, now its RM230. Im sure they will stop production soon.

QUOTE(rifasha @ Aug 23 2010, 03:43 PM)
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my friend just bought 2TB Seagate 3.5" FreeAgent Desk at lowyat yesterday. The cheapest we can find is RM430. Try go at Viewnet, you can nego the price coz they have price margin. But, if you want cheaper there is Seagate Expansion and Hitachi ones.
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QUOTE(malayneum @ Aug 23 2010, 09:57 PM)
just buy 1.5TB now. Its running scarce in lowyat now. Last months its RM270+, now its RM230. Im sure they will stop production soon.
I think the price for 1.5TB back in July is around RM280 for Samsung F2.How is the price for 1TB and 1.5TB for those HDD manufacture,the price list seem like outdated. notworthy.gif notworthy.gif



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QUOTE(malayneum @ Aug 23 2010, 09:57 PM)
my friend just bought 2TB Seagate 3.5" FreeAgent Desk at lowyat yesterday. The cheapest we can find is RM430. Try go at Viewnet, you can nego the price coz they have price margin. But, if you want cheaper there is Seagate Expansion and Hitachi ones.
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i see. is it just hdd or with the external package? im looking for external hdd sinnce its packed with 3 hdd in my rig now~ sweat.gif
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QUOTE(StereophileDream @ Aug 23 2010, 10:54 PM)
I think the price for 1.5TB back in July is around RM280 for Samsung F2.How is the price for 1TB and 1.5TB for those HDD manufacture,the price list seem like outdated. notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
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i didnt notice F2 1TB how much. i think around RM190. but for F2 1.5TB im sure its RM230. Try survey at either C-zone or Viewnet. Last month ive bought F2 HD154UI for RM279 at Czone.

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i see. is it just hdd or with the external package? im looking for external hdd sinnce its packed with 3 hdd in my rig now~  sweat.gif
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its a 3.5" external hdd. better get it now coz its cheap. plus its got 5 years warranty!

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alrite~i like that one. got in black color? gotta buy it when i got my pay this friday~!
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alrite~i like that one. got in black color? gotta buy it when i got my pay this friday~!
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you go whole world also only got this color. its silverish-white body with white illuminating led.

if want black color go buy Seagate Expansion only RM420 i think. but i dont recommend coz many reviews said its prone to failure.

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Hitachi also is black color but its a newcomer in external HDD, so not much known about its reliability. But its cheap, im not sure if its still around in Lowyat.

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Theres also Buffalo. If im not mistaken its RM400 only at All IT. But the design is a bit ugly for my preference.

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IMHO, overall Freeagent Desk wins coz got 5 years warranty.

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QUOTE(StereophileDream @ Aug 23 2010, 12:17 AM)
Hello,which capacity HDD is worth buying now?Is that rational to buy a 1TB than a 1.5TB HDD fill it up and wait for the HDD price to drop further before purchasing a bigger capacity HDD?
What is the price for 1TB and 1.5TB HDD now,cz the price list doesn't update for sometimes.
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The bigger is always the better. Invest in 2TB. Got my 2tb seagate external last Nov. Now it's like, left 300+g. You'll never know when you will run out of space! biggrin.gif

I'm just waiting for the 2TB to breach lesser than 300 bucks mark before getting one for backup purposes.
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QUOTE(malayneum @ Aug 24 2010, 10:35 AM)
IMHO, overall Freeagent Desk wins coz got 5 years warranty.
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QUOTE(n3w @ Aug 24 2010, 11:07 AM)
The bigger is always the better. Invest in 2TB. Got my 2tb seagate external last Nov. Now it's like, left 300+g. You'll never know when you will run out of space!  biggrin.gif

I'm just waiting for the 2TB to breach lesser than 300 bucks mark before getting one for backup purposes.
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Hahaha,what is the extact price for now?But my opinion is maybe 1.5TB more worthwhile in price/GB.I only want to use the new HDD in my 'toaster' to store my content.What is the extact price for the HDD now?
Maybe will buy a 1TB now,cz i think the price ll drop in a very short time,then I will buy a HDD with a bigger capacity. smile.gif
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QUOTE(rifasha @ Aug 24 2010, 01:13 PM)
since my entire workspace is black thats y i opted to choose black. that buffalo is good or not? i kinda like it.seems like out taste is different.hehe tongue.gif
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I dunno about Buffalo but its a popular brand for 2.5" external. From the picture, the casing looked glossy but when i saw the display set last time its not. Also i forgot there is also WD Mybook Essential, it looks classy, although abit pricey.

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Hahaha,what is the extact price for now?But my opinion is maybe 1.5TB more worthwhile in price/GB.I only want to use the new HDD in my 'toaster' to store my content.What is the extact price for the HDD now?
Maybe will buy a 1TB now,cz i think the price ll drop in a very short time,then I will buy a HDD with a bigger capacity. smile.gif
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I got my seagate freeagent 1tb around 315 bucks end of last year. Now should be much, much lesser. Better get the 2TB imo. More space.flex.gif

And registering at the website does not take long, and you'll automatically get 5 years warranty. brows.gif
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QUOTE(n3w @ Aug 24 2010, 05:35 PM)
I got my seagate freeagent 1tb around 315 bucks end of last year. Now should be much, much lesser. Better get the 2TB imo. More space.flex.gif 

And registering at the website does not take long, and you'll automatically get 5 years warranty.  brows.gif
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Wow,which brand did you mention as after register ll automatically get 5 years warranty?
Anyway,did you know the exact price for 1TB,1.5TB,2TB now?I think the gap between 1.5TB and 2TB is around RM100 at the moment,dun think is worth to buy it. hmm.gif
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Wow,which brand did you mention as after register ll automatically get 5 years warranty?
Anyway,did you know the exact price for 1TB,1.5TB,2TB now?I think the gap between 1.5TB and 2TB is around RM100 at the moment,dun think is worth to buy it. hmm.gif
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Freeagent Desk. go read my previous post in this thread.


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wow~i like this design. how much is this for 1tb and 2tb?
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wow~i like this design. how much is this for 1tb and 2tb?
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i dont remember for 1TB, but for 2TB the price is RM449 at All IT.
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I plan to get a 1TB 3.5" external hdd
I wondering the Seagate FreeAgent GoFlex desk seems good
Any comments on this HDD??

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i dont remember for 1TB, but for 2TB the price is RM449 at All IT.
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Seagate selling new external 3TB HDD now, expecting price for 1TB and 2TB to drop, brows.gif

Seagate 3TB HDD

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QUOTE(besiegetank @ Aug 25 2010, 08:59 AM)
Seagate selling new external 3TB HDD now, expecting price for 1TB and 2TB to drop,  brows.gif

Seagate 3TB HDD
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No date or price for this 3TB HDD?
The 1TB and 2TB already drop, how much further drop are you expecting?
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Here's the spec for it. Seagate 3TB External HDD

Unfortunately, it seems that it will stay as external HDD for now. Amazon currently selling it for £399.99.

I'm hoping to get 1TB HDD about RM150 by the end of this year rclxms.gif

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3 years manufacturer warranty.
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And here's come the review for 3TB HDD

Seagate 3TB HDD review
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QUOTE(doom89757 @ Aug 24 2010, 11:49 PM)
I plan to get a 1TB 3.5" external hdd
I wondering the Seagate FreeAgent GoFlex desk seems good
Any comments on this HDD??
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Standard off-the-mill external HDD.
It does take a little bit of space though you don't use the stand and decide to place it vertically.

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And here's come the review for 3TB HDD

Seagate 3TB HDD review
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Now we know why there is no 3TB internal, you need specific mobo to support it.
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Exactly, looks like the hardware can't catch up with the storage market, hehe
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 25 2010, 05:26 PM)
Now we know why there is no 3TB internal, you need specific mobo to support it.
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I think its been a known fact for quite a while?
Its just that now that there are 3TB HDDs, things will start to be different.

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Exactly, looks like the hardware can't catch up with the storage market, hehe
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More like... the consumers does not want to change, thus manufacturers don't care in implementing proper technology on their mobos.

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More like... the consumers does not want to change, thus manufacturers don't care in implementing proper technology on their mobos.
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It is as same as 64 bit issue.

When there is little advantage of shifting to newer hardware/tech/OS, then there is little reason for people to fork out extra money for it.

It has to do with cost wise as well on both front, customers and manufacturers.
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What I'm wondering is, can AMD mobos support Intel's EFI?
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Now we know why there is no 3TB internal, you need specific mobo to support it.
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hey, a 3TB desktop hdd cannot be a boot drive only right?
but it can be data storage drive for desktop right?

what actually address the LBA?
motherboard? processor? or other? unsure.gif
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hey, a 3TB desktop hdd cannot be a boot drive only right?
but it can be data storage drive for desktop right?

what actually address the LBA?
motherboard? processor? or other? unsure.gif
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Yup primary issue is about OS issue.

BIOS.

That's why external come out first.
As in normal circumstance, it is always internal first.

32 bit OS also needs to throw out of window aka XP only recognise 990MB out of 3TB.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/HDD-LBA-G...UEFI,10436.html

The hardware is hitting some limitation, and need to overhaul the current standard to move forward.

But I expect, it will be slow process, as same as 64 bit migration, (even 64 bit has been available for years), we are still stuck with 32 bit across even now.

As there is no urgency to use a 3TB HDD especially for OS disk, you don't require such a capacity for OS.

Correct me if I am wrong. As still new to the issue.
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Some people would like to save pictures and videos over my documents folder that not redirect the folder to some other hard drive.

I started to do that instead of creating multiple partitions.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 26 2010, 10:48 AM)
Yup primary issue is about OS issue.

BIOS.

That's why external come out first.
As in normal circumstance, it is always internal first.

32 bit OS also needs to throw out of window aka XP only recognise 990MB out of 3TB.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/HDD-LBA-G...UEFI,10436.html

The hardware is hitting some limitation, and need to overhaul the current standard to move forward.

But I expect, it will be slow process, as same as 64 bit migration, (even 64 bit has been available for years), we are still stuck with 32 bit across even now.

As there is no urgency to use a 3TB HDD especially for OS disk, you don't require such a capacity for OS.

Correct me if I am wrong. As still new to the issue.
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so is the OS unable to address all the LBA inside a 3 TB hdd?
even with 64bit OS also can't? unsure.gif
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I think that the current BIOS could be the restriction for the 3TB HDD.
If I'm not mistaken, there's actually some mobo out there already taken on the new tech and is ready to move to the next gen of HDD, I think it's just a matter of time before consumer realize it.
IMO, manufacturer should just push this tech onto their mobo, for the enthusiast level first, then slowly pushing the tech to the entry level, just like how those new tech has been doing, is it big deal? USB3, SATA3 (6.0Gbps), etc. Is consumer changing? Yes they're... slowly.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 26 2010, 10:48 AM)
Yup primary issue is about OS issue.

BIOS.

That's why external come out first.
As in normal circumstance, it is always internal first.

32 bit OS also needs to throw out of window aka XP only recognise 990MB out of 3TB.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/HDD-LBA-G...UEFI,10436.html
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The BIOS is not the OS. The OS sits on top of the BIOS. They're working on replacing the old BIOS standard with another standard, EFI, that can handle 64-bit addresses; which should last at least a thousand years of capacity improvements.

It is strange that XP would only recognise 990MB out of a 3TB drive when it could handle 2TB HDDs.

QUOTE(saturn85 @ Aug 26 2010, 05:00 PM)
so is the OS unable to address all the LBA inside a 3 TB hdd?
even with 64bit OS also can't? unsure.gif
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It's not the OS problem. It's a hardware problem on the motherboard.

QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Aug 27 2010, 10:15 AM)
I think that the current BIOS could be the restriction for the 3TB HDD.
If I'm not mistaken, there's actually some mobo out there already taken on the new tech and is ready to move to the next gen of HDD, I think it's just a matter of time before consumer realize it.
IMO, manufacturer should just push this tech onto their mobo, for the enthusiast level first, then slowly pushing the tech to the entry level, just like how those new tech has been doing, is it big deal? USB3, SATA3 (6.0Gbps), etc. Is consumer changing? Yes they're... slowly.
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Your recommendation is what the manufacturers have been doing for the last few years, since EFI has been introduced in 2007. They say millions of machines now ship with EFI. At the least, I think all of Apple's hardware that runs on Intel processors uses EFI MBs.

Btw, I got my answer regarding AMD. Seems like they're a founding member of the board that currently administrates the UEFI. Nice and neat on that point.
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It's not the OS problem. It's a hardware problem on the motherboard.
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so the addressing of the LBA on a hdd is done by the motherboard? unsure.gif
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Can I direct take the Seagate Hdd to the UPS SCS (M) Sdn Bhd at Subang Jaya there for RMA ?
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Can I direct take the Seagate Hdd to the UPS SCS (M) Sdn Bhd at Subang Jaya there for RMA ?
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I am not too sure now, but should create RMA from Seagate website. If it state the return to UPS SCS, then you can bring it there with the RMA reference.
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Hello, may i ask what is a performance HDD , ive been reading there's much talk about samsung F3 and WD Black

I'm looking for

1 TB- 2 TB of space
Price below 400
Performance

Reason of using : will be using for 3D software which requires a lot of rendering. Afraid of data corrupting on a hard disk.

Not thinking of velociraptor or SDD [too expensive a this both]

7200 RPM should be fine
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Hello, may i ask what is a performance HDD , ive been reading there's much talk about samsung F3 and WD Black

I'm looking for

1 TB- 2 TB of space
Price below 400
Performance

Reason of using : will be using for 3D software which requires a lot of rendering. Afraid of data corrupting on a hard disk.

Not thinking of velociraptor or SDD [too expensive a this both]

7200 RPM should be fine
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Samsung F3 2tb i would suggest. It's 5400 rpm but don't let it's spindle speed fool you. It can walk the walk with the other 2tb 7200rpm drives out there nod.gif

Uses less watts, less noise and generates less heat as well, yet price if cheap per gig and performance almost the same as the 2tb 7200rpm drives. Whats not to like thumbup.gif

I am using for storage purposes. If you want for your OS, i would suggest using a single SSD for OS, and use the samsung for storage.


@ahsiah

Thanks but i don't think i can wait. My QNAP 659 just arrived in Malaysia. It may be sent to me today, so seems i will have to settle for the Samsung 2tb F3 :/ oh well.

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Aug 30 2010, 09:29 AM
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