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post Jun 27 2010, 09:52 PM

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QUOTE(matt_rix @ Jun 27 2010, 03:36 PM)
pls answer my q...
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We normally don't compare between companies, but between their products. Samsung's F3 is good, Seagate's Momentus XT is better if you have the money, and WD also has some good stuff. It depends more on your budget and what type of hard disk you want.
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post Jul 4 2010, 08:46 AM

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QUOTE(cannavaro @ Jul 4 2010, 04:50 AM)
I would recommend any other brands except for Seagate because of the firmware fiasco with their internal 3"5 drives. Don't care if their drives are now okay or whatever, had a really bad experience with them and that's it.  sweat.gif
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That's why, as a person not bitten by the Seagate firmware fiasco, I'm going to say to ignore that specific advice and buy what you think is the best for you. Seagate currently has no firmware problem.

One idea to consider is to later replace the USB 2.0 casing with a USB 3.0 casing. It will cost you and likely also your warranty, but that will unlock your hard drive's performance.

But media storage drives really don't require much performance at all as even the slow USB 2.0 data transfer is more than sufficient for Full HD playback. On the other hand, those with fast access times might be more pleasant if you have hundreds or thousands of files in a single folder. It will be most noticeable with SSDs, except that SSDs are luxury items for mere storage and have crappy capacities.

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QUOTE(gkl83 @ Jul 5 2010, 02:47 PM)
later i saw the hornetek enclosure used at Sri Computer with media player demo unit...
damm sweet with blue LED with black case and matched with my black TV cabinet with blue lighting... drool.gif
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I'd rather avoid anything with blue LEDs. They can light up your room at night.
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post Jul 5 2010, 10:50 PM

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QUOTE(gkl83 @ Jul 5 2010, 05:25 PM)
why u want to keep ur room so dark?  brows.gif  whistling.gif  tongue.gif
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Because I like it dark. Are you afraid of the dark? tongue.gif
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post Jul 9 2010, 11:36 AM

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For the curious, SATA 1.5 Gbps is 150 MByte/s. Very few hard disks can hit beyond that and most still averages below 100 MByte/s.
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post Jul 17 2010, 05:54 PM

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QUOTE(hikari85 @ Jul 16 2010, 12:15 AM)
just send my seagate sv35 hdd to warranty, all data lost  cry.gif
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Maybe not even the same hard disk. If you kept track of the serial number, you can tell if they give you another hard disk as a replacement or fixed your hard disk. The last time I RMAed a hard disk, the serial number of the returned drive was different.

QUOTE(cucubud @ Jul 16 2010, 07:50 AM)
I read that someone managed to recover a hard disk and found data from a bank with all the customers account information.  Not sure this news is true or not.  This is not what we want.
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Don't know about the particular news you read, but it is very possible. Undeleting files is easy, limited only by luck or if the file was securely deleted.

QUOTE(ozak @ Jul 16 2010, 09:22 AM)
Big company normally will delete/format the HDD before send to warranty.

But nowaday what I see those big company do is they never try to repair the HDD if spoil. They just took the hammer, smach it to make sure the HDD cannot repair or recover.
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How do you know they do this? Publicised company policy, news, or working there?

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post Jul 18 2010, 12:30 AM

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QUOTE(jimmylim85 @ Jul 17 2010, 11:22 PM)
even SV series can spoilt? I thought SV is much expensive and meant for DVR usage. Running 24/7

So far i have bought more than 10 units of SV35 from 500GB and 1TB, never fails for my customer.
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Statistics does allow you to sell a thousand HDDs that lasts for five years each even if the average failure rate of that model in six months is 99%.
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post Jul 21 2010, 11:08 PM

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Ouch.

Perhaps there might be an outside influence like an underpowered or ageing PSU? They can damage your HDD when the HDD loses power at critical moments.
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post Jul 22 2010, 11:00 AM

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Maybe a faulty cable then?

I have two Caviar Greens myself, but the older WD10EADS models. No problems after I RMAed one of them for a possible PSU related failure.
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post Jul 22 2010, 11:58 AM

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Ugh... all these scary talk about Greens failing is making me itch to get a new HDD. >_<
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post Jul 23 2010, 06:01 PM

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QUOTE(besiegetank @ Jul 23 2010, 04:55 PM)
Seriously how come the price for HDD can drop so fast but I don't see the same trend for SSD. I'm thinking to buy one for my gaming setup but now it still over my budget. Anyone know any 'insider' information about SSD price dropping in the future? brows.gif
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Because SSDs are a lot harder to make than HDDs and the next generation of SSD technology isn't quite in place yet. As for 'insider' information, it's well known that Intel is working on releasing it's 3rd gen stuff in the second half of the year. When Intel released their 2nd gen stuff, prices dropped 60%, so hopefully something similar will happen for the 3rd gen.
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QUOTE(5564321 @ Jul 23 2010, 06:39 PM)
Its normal when next gen stuffs come out for electronic products. When I searching for SSD, their prices are still expensive. When I'm thinking I could get 2 1TB drives and RAID0 them for the price of 1 SSD, I simply stopped the mind of getting SSD. Somemore I get 1 TB vs 40GB. ohmy.gif

Wa, Jayacom selling F3 1TB for RM181! Wow! blink.gif RAID0 setup only for RM362, haha.
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A good SSD will still crush a RAID 4x 1TB array in raw performance like boot speeds. The best way to utilise SSDs is to buy only one for your OS, applications and games partition. Use cheaper huge capacity HDDs for your data storage like audio, video and pictures.



FidelisGVR, for multiple files, HDD performance usually suffers greatly, because their access times are very slow.
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post Aug 12 2010, 12:59 PM

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Is the Samsung F3 1TB HD103SJ still the best overall 1TB HDD? Or is there a newer model?
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QUOTE(lok3i @ Aug 12 2010, 01:01 PM)
Yes..F3 is the best in term price/performance for now
No newer model..That is the lastest in market
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That's very unusual and might be indicative of more serious problems. The only "aging" sign should be heavy disk fragmentation. But even at its worst shouldn't exhibit this level of a performance problem.
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It may be a sign. Better do a backup of your most important stuff now. And if you have only one HDD, it may well be time to think about buying a new one.
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QUOTE(5564321 @ Aug 17 2010, 01:45 AM)
Guys, which brand of HDD do you think is reliable? Hitachi/WD/Samsung? I don't want speed, just want reliability for data.
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For reliability AND speed, you just can't go wrong with SSDs. tongue.gif

For anything else, you'll need at least two HDDs.
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Somebody high above you has given you another opportunity to retrieve your data. Take it!

Maybe it's 'alive' for now because it was from a cold boot. Once the drive warms up, the problems might come back again. This behaviour is what I used to retrieve what I could from one of my HDDs before having to RMA it.
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What I'm wondering is, can AMD mobos support Intel's EFI?
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 26 2010, 10:48 AM)
Yup primary issue is about OS issue.

BIOS.

That's why external come out first.
As in normal circumstance, it is always internal first.

32 bit OS also needs to throw out of window aka XP only recognise 990MB out of 3TB.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/HDD-LBA-G...UEFI,10436.html
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The BIOS is not the OS. The OS sits on top of the BIOS. They're working on replacing the old BIOS standard with another standard, EFI, that can handle 64-bit addresses; which should last at least a thousand years of capacity improvements.

It is strange that XP would only recognise 990MB out of a 3TB drive when it could handle 2TB HDDs.

QUOTE(saturn85 @ Aug 26 2010, 05:00 PM)
so is the OS unable to address all the LBA inside a 3 TB hdd?
even with 64bit OS also can't? unsure.gif
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It's not the OS problem. It's a hardware problem on the motherboard.

QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Aug 27 2010, 10:15 AM)
I think that the current BIOS could be the restriction for the 3TB HDD.
If I'm not mistaken, there's actually some mobo out there already taken on the new tech and is ready to move to the next gen of HDD, I think it's just a matter of time before consumer realize it.
IMO, manufacturer should just push this tech onto their mobo, for the enthusiast level first, then slowly pushing the tech to the entry level, just like how those new tech has been doing, is it big deal? USB3, SATA3 (6.0Gbps), etc. Is consumer changing? Yes they're... slowly.
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Your recommendation is what the manufacturers have been doing for the last few years, since EFI has been introduced in 2007. They say millions of machines now ship with EFI. At the least, I think all of Apple's hardware that runs on Intel processors uses EFI MBs.

Btw, I got my answer regarding AMD. Seems like they're a founding member of the board that currently administrates the UEFI. Nice and neat on that point.

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