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post Mar 8 2020, 09:36 PM, updated 5y ago

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QUOTE(TanHJ @ Mar 8 2020, 09:15 PM)
Hi,i have a medical card but my parents bought it for me so im not sure which do i have,if i wasn't vaping before hand and i ticked the non-smoking box.Do i have to update them and pay a premium for my insurance?

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You will need to update your insurance company on your current status and pay a premium for it. Otherwise it will compromise on your future claims if you fail to do so.
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post Mar 9 2020, 01:33 AM

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Hi,

Im gaining interest for AXA E-Medic family plan insurance which affordable for me (Rm 270/month).

Please share your honest experience good and bad for this AXA E-Medic.

i saw some review said during claiming not so well.

Thanks
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QUOTE(loquelevesque26 @ Mar 9 2020, 01:33 AM)
Hi,

Im gaining interest for AXA E-Medic family plan insurance which affordable for me (Rm 270/month).

Please share your honest experience good and bad for this AXA E-Medic.

i saw some review said during claiming not so well.

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AXA E-Medic family plan is a standalone medical card, so it does not come with any life insurance or critical illness. Since it's a standalone medical card, the premium will increase every 5 years based on your age.

It only covers children up to 15 years old. If your children are 16 years old and above, they would be excluded from this plan.

Another thing is that the annual limit for the most expensive plan is only RM100,000 which is not enough for serious illnesses like cancer. The good thing is that each family member will have his own annual limit and doesn't affect each other.

Personally, I would suggest you to get invidividual medical insurance if your budget allows because it is more future proof. Investment-linked medical insurance is more comprehensive which comes with life, critical illness coverage and waiver too.
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QUOTE(loquelevesque26 @ Mar 9 2020, 01:33 AM)
Hi,

Im gaining interest for AXA E-Medic family plan insurance which affordable for me (Rm 270/month).

Please share your honest experience good and bad for this AXA E-Medic.

i saw some review said during claiming not so well.

Thanks
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Halo friend,

What you pay is what you get. It is good for low budget plan.
Honestly RM270 barely can get good medical plan for individual age over 30.

Just spend more time to read the T&C. You are looking for protection, not comparing price in wet market.

Anyhow, start low better than zero smile.gif
Choose what you afford and understand the pros & cons. Then plan ahead for future.
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QUOTE(GE-DavidK @ Mar 9 2020, 12:36 PM)
Personally, I would suggest you to get invidividual medical insurance if your budget allows because it is more future proof. Investment-linked medical insurance is more comprehensive which comes with life, critical illness coverage and waiver too.
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Iindividual plan is always preferred, this I agreed.
But I have reservation on investment linked. With recent plummeting stock market, many ilp owners may get love letter from insurance company cited investment portion is not doing well. Those investment can result in negative figure if opt those equities linked funds.
Already spent money in paying insurance premium and still make a loss in investment linked. Double whammy.
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For children, do we buy medical insurance till say 25yo then they are working they can buy their own, or buy till 80-100 yo also? Opinion?
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QUOTE(anwa @ Mar 9 2020, 01:11 PM)
For children, do we buy medical insurance till say 25yo then they are working they can buy their own, or buy till 80-100 yo also? Opinion?
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ILP plans are flexible to extend the benefit longer at the later period of time. Your kids can take over once they've start earning a living.

By then things would have changed depending on the economy.

Get the basic covered and worry later for the future as it comes.
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QUOTE(anwa @ Mar 9 2020, 01:11 PM)
For children, do we buy medical insurance till say 25yo then they are working they can buy their own, or buy till 80-100 yo also? Opinion?
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If you are buying a individual plan under his name, as opposed to a family plan, the medical plan will stay with him for life, until you/he change to another medical plan. You can pay for him, till such time he can pay for himself. Plans and T&C ,may change over passage of time.
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QUOTE(loquelevesque26 @ Mar 9 2020, 01:33 AM)
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Good day loquelevesque26, I'd deal with AXA medical claims, it is straightforward (so long the needed documents are submitted). More or less the SOP to do claims for every company is similar.

QUOTE(wayton @ Mar 9 2020, 12:56 PM)
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hi wayton, if you are buying ILP, just treat it as a "sure loss" product. Reason being is there are agents selling it to you as something you will get back in return. You can only get back portion of what you have "saved" only if you do partial withdrawal/surrender when you do not want it whereby the reason we look into insurance is mainly for financial risk management. so yea, when i told that to my clients, they don't expect any return out of it, when it runs till the end of the term, mostly the cash value will be near to 0.

QUOTE(anwa @ Mar 9 2020, 01:11 PM)
For children, do we buy medical insurance till say 25yo then they are working they can buy their own, or buy till 80-100 yo also? Opinion?
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hi anwa, for medical insurance, just prepare one for the children until they decided to take over and manage it themselves, most likely when they graduated and step out to pursue for their career.
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QUOTE(anwa @ Mar 9 2020, 01:11 PM)
For children, do we buy medical insurance till say 25yo then they are working they can buy their own, or buy till 80-100 yo also? Opinion?
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Frankly speaking, you don't need a medical insurance beyond 80's.
The insurance premium is too extra ordinary high until not worthwhile to have one.
With 5 figure premium beyond 80's yo, not many people can afford it.
The one can afford 5 figure premium, then one is already rich enough, can self insured already.

No such thing you buy medical insurance at young time, then the premium will stay cheap when you are old time.

Medical insurance premium goes up together with ages.

Let the kids buy their own when they are financially independent.


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guys, usually do we need to purchase medical insurance when we are already employed in a company?
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QUOTE(BacktoBasics @ Mar 9 2020, 03:31 PM)
guys, usually do we need to purchase medical insurance when we are already employed in a company?
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If what is offered is sufficient for you or comparable if you were to purchase one for yourself; then you may not want to buy one for yourself. But the risk are if it is removed or no longer available if you were to be terminated or resign and your new company does not provide one than you may need to purchase one. But more importantly is, will your medical condition remains the same as today when you were to purchase a personal plan in later years. Medical Insurance cost goes up annually.


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QUOTE(BacktoBasics @ Mar 9 2020, 03:31 PM)
guys, usually do we need to purchase medical insurance when we are already employed in a company?
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It will be advisable to have a personal insurance at all time as companies will not cover you sufficiently (low annual limit) or you may not be covered once you resign from the company and move to another company that may/may not offer an insurance coverage.

A personal insurance will have a higher annual limit and a more comprehensive coverage that covers you up to 100 years old.
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QUOTE(Cyclopes @ Mar 9 2020, 03:50 PM)
If what is offered is sufficient for you or comparable if you were to purchase one for yourself; then you may not want to buy one for yourself. But the risk are if it is removed or no longer available if you were to be  terminated or resign and your new company does not provide one than you may need to purchase one. But more importantly is, will your medical condition remains the same as today when you were to purchase a personal plan in later years. Medical Insurance cost  goes up annually.
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so in other words, it will be not less cost effective for me to start later on if i do require more coverage?
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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Mar 9 2020, 03:54 PM)
It will be advisable to have a personal insurance at all time as companies will not cover you sufficiently (low annual limit) or you may not be covered once you resign from the company and move to another company that may/may not offer an insurance coverage.

A personal insurance will have a higher annual limit and a more comprehensive coverage that covers you up to 100 years old.
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how much does it cost for a medical insurance?

how much coverage should i be looking at?
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QUOTE(BacktoBasics @ Mar 9 2020, 04:34 PM)
so in other words, it will be not less cost effective for me to start later on if i do require more coverage?
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Insurance will not be cheaper overtime even if you choose to delay your purchase now as the premium will hike up in the future to match your age.

Instead, you should buy as early as you’re still insurance.

QUOTE(BacktoBasics @ Mar 9 2020, 04:35 PM)
how much does it cost for a medical insurance?

how much coverage should i be looking at?
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That depends on your budget as well as your selection of your room and board, whether you want to afford to stay at least in a 2 bedded room or single bedded or etc.
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How Much Medical Insurance Coverage Do I Need?
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https://loanstreet.com.my/learning-centre/h...erage-do-i-need

All You Need To Know About Getting Medical Insurance In Malaysia ......May 3, 2016
https://www.imoney.my/articles/all-you-need...nce-in-malaysia
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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Mar 9 2020, 04:39 PM)
Insurance will not be cheaper overtime even if you choose to delay your purchase now as the premium will hike up in the future to match your age.

Instead, you should buy as early as you’re still insurance.
That depends on your budget as well as your selection of your room and board, whether you want to afford to stay at least in a 2 bedded room or single bedded or etc.
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on average is how much? I am 31 btw. Male - non smoking.
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QUOTE(MUM @ Mar 9 2020, 04:40 PM)
How Much Medical Insurance Coverage Do I Need?
.... 19 Oct 2018
https://loanstreet.com.my/learning-centre/h...erage-do-i-need

All You Need To Know About Getting Medical Insurance In Malaysia  ......May 3, 2016
https://www.imoney.my/articles/all-you-need...nce-in-malaysia
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thanks MUM. will read these links provided. Cheers thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(BacktoBasics @ Mar 9 2020, 04:34 PM)
so in other words, it will be not less cost effective for me to start later on if i do require more coverage?
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Two things to note:
1. Cost of insurance will be higher as you age,
2. If you happen to have some health issues, some exclusions may apply or additional premium may be imposed.
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QUOTE(Cyclopes @ Mar 9 2020, 07:01 PM)
Two things to note:
1. Cost of insurance will be higher as you age,
2. If you happen to have some health issues, some exclusions may apply or additional premium may be imposed.
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Alright thanks for sharing.
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I am currently paying RM189 p/month on Allianz PowerLink,
150k on Life,
150k on TPD
150 Medical

Currently my agent is trying to aggressively push some Allianz Rider which cost another RM200 on top of my existing RM189 which I have no idea what is it about.

Do you think I am over insured for a 24 healthy male? social smoker and no known health issue.
feel like cancelling my medical because health coverage is unlimited by employer

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QUOTE(TechnoG @ Mar 9 2020, 09:44 PM)
I am currently paying RM189 p/month on Allianz PowerLink,
150k on Life,
150k on TPD
150 Medical

Currently my agent is trying to aggressively push some Allianz Rider which cost another RM200 on top of my existing RM189 which I have no idea what is it about.

Do you think I am over insured for a 24 healthy male? social smoker and no known health issue.
feel like cancelling my medical because health coverage is unlimited by employer
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Halo friend, you can't guarantee employee benefits no change forever right?

Regarding your exiting medical plan, do you know how much medical fees annually? Any lifetime limit? Any limitation for kidney dialysis & cancer out patient treatment?

Then ask your agent what's the different & benefits if top up another RM200.

For medical plan I always concern the investment cash value return for the sustainable years.
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QUOTE(TechnoG @ Mar 9 2020, 09:44 PM)
I am currently paying RM189 p/month on Allianz PowerLink,
150k on Life,
150k on TPD
150 Medical

Currently my agent is trying to aggressively push some Allianz Rider which cost another RM200 on top of my existing RM189 which I have no idea what is it about.

Do you think I am over insured for a 24 healthy male? social smoker and no known health issue.
feel like cancelling my medical because health coverage is unlimited by employer
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Understand your needs and buy only what you need.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Mar 9 2020, 03:29 PM)
Frankly speaking, you don't need a medical insurance beyond 80's.
The insurance premium is too extra ordinary high until not worthwhile to have one.
With 5 figure premium beyond 80's yo, not many people can afford it.
The one can afford 5 figure premium, then one is already rich enough, can self insured already.

No such thing you buy medical insurance at young time, then the premium will stay cheap when you are old time.

Medical insurance premium goes up together with ages.

Let the kids buy their own when they are financially independent.
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When I was looking for medical insurance 4 years ago, the reason I took manulife was I think it's the only one with coverage till 99yo. Only now most company follow, otherwise most only offer till 80. I differ regarding what you say that we don't need insurance after 80. With medical advances and also statistics have shown, high chance most of us will live more than 80yo. If not mistaken, average lifespan of Malaysian male currently is 76 already. Furthermore, statistics have shown we spend 80% of our medical treatment cost during the last 5 years of our lives. I wouldn't want my family to be burden with high treatment cost when I get sick at 85yo.
Not sure if my thinking is correct. Would love to hear opinions from others.
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Recently bought an accidental coverage package. I been thinking. If accidental injuries and visit normal GP then can claim but the thing is is it really necessary ?

Because only accidental causes that can be claim. And if injuries medium might as well admitted to hospital to claim medical insurance.

Thoughts ?
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QUOTE(thomasjames @ Mar 10 2020, 06:41 AM)
Recently bought an accidental coverage package. I been thinking. If accidental injuries and visit normal GP then can claim but the thing is is it really necessary ?

Because only accidental causes that can be claim. And if injuries medium might as well admitted to hospital to claim medical insurance.

Thoughts ?
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If lost a leg in an accident, if you got no pa insurance... How?
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QUOTE(anwa @ Mar 10 2020, 06:29 AM)
When I was looking for medical insurance 4 years ago, the reason I took manulife was I think it's the only one with coverage till 99yo. Only now most company follow, otherwise most only offer till 80. I differ regarding what you say that we don't need insurance after 80. With medical advances and also statistics have shown, high chance most of us will live more than 80yo. If not mistaken, average lifespan of Malaysian male currently is 76 already. Furthermore, statistics have shown we spend 80% of our medical treatment cost during the last 5 years of our lives. I wouldn't want my family to be burden with high treatment cost when I get sick at 85yo.
Not sure if my thinking is correct. Would love to hear opinions from others.
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Halo Anwa,

Most of the medical plan now "renewable, valid till" till 99yo / 100yo.
But doesn't mean your current premium sustainable till that age. Insurance charge will raise from time to time.
Some of my friend's plan only sustainable till age 60 but policy renewable till age 99. Meaning to say company will ask for premium top up soon. If he refuse to top up... by age 60 he got to pay a lot more higher premium.

My personal preference to quote buyer sustainable plan till 80yo with certain amount of estimated cash value by that time. In order to have room against raise of insurance cost / slow investment market return.

No right or wrong to choose 99yo plan. Some of the just want to cover till 70yo. Saying no need treatment after 70yo sweat.gif
We advise .. You decide


QUOTE(thomasjames @ Mar 10 2020, 06:41 AM)
Recently bought an accidental coverage package. I been thinking. If accidental injuries and visit normal GP then can claim but the thing is is it really necessary ?

Because only accidental causes that can be claim. And if injuries medium might as well admitted to hospital to claim medical insurance.

Thoughts ?
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Halo Thomas,

Sounds like PA right? Yes only accidental causes. And accident death.
Other claim of injuries follow a table by percentage of sum assured.
Such as lost of 1 arm **%, lost of both arm 100% etc.
We can't answer without knowing what you sign up exactly.

Better look in your policy for more info.

Get any agent to help review for you will do smile.gif
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QUOTE(anwa @ Mar 10 2020, 06:29 AM)
When I was looking for medical insurance 4 years ago, the reason I took manulife was I think it's the only one with coverage till 99yo. Only now most company follow, otherwise most only offer till 80. I differ regarding what you say that we don't need insurance after 80. With medical advances and also statistics have shown, high chance most of us will live more than 80yo. If not mistaken, average lifespan of Malaysian male currently is 76 already. Furthermore, statistics have shown we spend 80% of our medical treatment cost during the last 5 years of our lives. I wouldn't want my family to be burden with high treatment cost when I get sick at 85yo.
Not sure if my thinking is correct. Would love to hear opinions from others.
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Your family may not be burden with treatment cost.
But your family may be burden with ten of thousand premium needs to be paid every year.
Medical premium at old ages is not 1k or a few K pa.

Please be reminded that medical insurance is not covering everything, Outpatient cost, post treatment, nursing, medicine cost etc may not be covered by insurance. So there is still needs personal saving to pay for that.

Wait until when you old time, and every year pay such a medical fee up to 5 figure each year, then you will know or start realise the issues of paying medical at old ages, that I am talking about. smile.gif

After such an age, even one has critical illness like cancer etc, doctor may also advise not to under knife, as your body may not able to coup with surgery and chemo treatment as well.

That's why medical insurance cover until 70-80s is sufficient.
If cover until 100, means potential make medical premium become even more expensive and unaffordable to many middle class.

Remember insurance mechanism is like a pool of fund, when the pool of fund needs to be used those beyond 80s, means potential higher premium

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I still got medical insurance that allow me to admit to hospital and claim
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QUOTE(thomasjames @ Mar 10 2020, 10:03 AM)
I still got medical insurance that allow me to admit to hospital and claim
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claim for medical expenses, but you cannot claim for lost of leg due to accident, or TPD.
just like CI insurance plan

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QUOTE(TechnoG @ Mar 9 2020, 09:44 PM)
I am currently paying RM189 p/month on Allianz PowerLink,
150k on Life,
150k on TPD
150 Medical

Currently my agent is trying to aggressively push some Allianz Rider which cost another RM200 on top of my existing RM189 which I have no idea what is it about.

Do you think I am over insured for a 24 healthy male? social smoker and no known health issue.
feel like cancelling my medical because health coverage is unlimited by employer
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Looks quite sufficient to cover for a 24 year old especially if you're not married. But you may want to consider a top up to cover for critical illness as income replacement if you're critically ill.

However you may be required to do a top up if you wish to prolong your policy benefit for a longer duration.

QUOTE(anwa @ Mar 10 2020, 06:29 AM)
When I was looking for medical insurance 4 years ago, the reason I took manulife was I think it's the only one with coverage till 99yo. Only now most company follow, otherwise most only offer till 80. I differ regarding what you say that we don't need insurance after 80. With medical advances and also statistics have shown, high chance most of us will live more than 80yo. If not mistaken, average lifespan of Malaysian male currently is 76 already. Furthermore, statistics have shown we spend 80% of our medical treatment cost during the last 5 years of our lives. I wouldn't want my family to be burden with high treatment cost when I get sick at 85yo.
Not sure if my thinking is correct. Would love to hear opinions from others.
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When a policy says it's sustainable until 80 years old, it means your current premium payable may last until that age, but you have the flexibility to stop anytime or to reduce the premium if you don't wish to continue until that long.

QUOTE(thomasjames @ Mar 10 2020, 06:41 AM)
Recently bought an accidental coverage package. I been thinking. If accidental injuries and visit normal GP then can claim but the thing is is it really necessary ?

Because only accidental causes that can be claim. And if injuries medium might as well admitted to hospital to claim medical insurance.

Thoughts ?
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Personal accident besides just accidental injuries, it also covers for lost of limbs, so it's not necessary just for the accidental reimbursement.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Mar 10 2020, 09:35 AM)
Your family may not be burden with treatment cost.
But your family may be burden with ten of thousand premium needs to be paid every year.
Medical premium at old ages is not 1k or a few K pa.

Please be reminded that medical insurance is not covering everything, Outpatient cost, post treatment, nursing, medicine cost etc may not be covered by insurance. So there is still needs personal saving to pay for that.

Wait until when you old time, and every year pay such a medical fee up to 5 figure each year, then you will know or start realise the issues of paying medical at old ages, that I am talking about.  smile.gif

After such an age, even one has critical illness like cancer etc, doctor may also advise not to under knife, as your body may not able to coup with surgery and chemo treatment as well.

That's why medical insurance cover until 70-80s is sufficient.
If cover until 100, means potential make medical premium become even more expensive and unaffordable to many middle class.

Remember insurance mechanism is like a pool of fund, when the pool of fund needs to be used those beyond 80s, means potential higher premium
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I take your point. But would you then say its better to start a medical insurance investment linked early, so that there is more time for the investment to grow (ups and downs of market) so eventually at the end of the day, enough to cover the tens of thousand in premium at age 80-99? Or, is it better to just buy enough till 80, extra money do own investment (buy house etc, can sell to fund the surgery or chemo at age 80-99)?
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QUOTE(anwa @ Mar 10 2020, 10:50 AM)
I take your point. But would you then say its better to start a medical insurance investment linked early, so that there is more time for the investment to grow (ups and downs of market) so eventually at the end of the day, enough to cover the tens of thousand in premium at age 80-99? Or, is it better to just buy enough till 80, extra money do own investment (buy house etc, can sell to fund the surgery or chemo at age 80-99)?
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if you have the discipline to invest yourself and pay the different back to your insurance, then do so. Otherwise the purpose of the investment link policy is to give you a peace of mind that your policy still covers you even if you are struggling financially during a period of time or unable to pay for your insurance premium.
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QUOTE(thomasjames @ Mar 10 2020, 06:41 AM)
Recently bought an accidental coverage package. I been thinking. If accidental injuries and visit normal GP then can claim but the thing is is it really necessary ?

Because only accidental causes that can be claim. And if injuries medium might as well admitted to hospital to claim medical insurance.

Thoughts ?
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If u r accident injured and no admission required, the medical card is covering the GP clinic fees. Based on reimbursement. Do check with your medical provider.

PA has extra claim for lose of 1 eye, lose of 1 hand, lose of thumb. Which the life and TPD is not covering this lose of Thumb. Since PA is cheap and highly recommend to buy 1.
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I take your point. But would you then say its better to start a medical insurance investment linked early, so that there is more time for the investment to grow (ups and downs of market) so eventually at the end of the day, enough to cover the tens of thousand in premium at age 80-99? Or, is it better to just buy enough till 80, extra money do own investment (buy house etc, can sell to fund the surgery or chemo at age 80-99)?
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Don't think there is investment linked that being structured to be self sustained until 99, I could be wrong.
Also, the longer the ILP is designed to self-sustained, the higher the premium could be.

Also, investment linked is just investing in unit trust, and those unit trust may not perform as good to be self-sustained until an ages as projected.
That's why you hear some investment linked send letter to policy owner to increase their annual premium, especially with recent financial market lackluster performance and turmoil.

Some investment linked unit trust may as well result in a loss instead of gain, even putting FD can beat those unit trust.

Basically, there is no guarantee the investment linked will make enough to cover or self-sustained, it may or may not.

Basically, there is no free lunch in insurance coverage, you can't "beat" insurance, and never think of trying to "beat" them.

Buy it if you needs it and when can afford it, should be the mindset.

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Mar 10 2020, 11:17 AM)
Don't think there is investment linked that being structured to be self sustained until 99, I could be wrong.
Also, the longer the ILP is designed to self-sustained, the higher the premium could be.

Also, investment linked is just investing in unit trust, and those unit trust may not perform as good to be self-sustained until an ages as projected.
That's why you hear some investment linked send letter to policy owner to increase their annual premium, especially with recent financial market lackluster performance and turmoil.

Some investment linked unit trust may as well result in a loss instead of gain, even putting FD can beat those unit trust.

Basically, there is no guarantee the investment linked will make enough to cover or self-sustained, it may or may not.

Basically, there is no free lunch in insurance coverage, you can't "beat" insurance, and never think of trying to "beat" them.

Buy it if you needs it and when can afford it, should be the mindset.
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Well said, unfortunately many agents out there are playing too much with sustainability to create unnecessary fear in order to get sales.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Mar 10 2020, 11:17 AM)
Don't think there is investment linked that being structured to be self sustained until 99, I could be wrong.
Also, the longer the ILP is designed to self-sustained, the higher the premium could be.

Also, investment linked is just investing in unit trust, and those unit trust may not perform as good to be self-sustained until an ages as projected.
That's why you hear some investment linked send letter to policy owner to increase their annual premium, especially with recent financial market lackluster performance and turmoil.

Some investment linked unit trust may as well result in a loss instead of gain, even putting FD can beat those unit trust.

Basically, there is no guarantee the investment linked will make enough to cover or self-sustained, it may or may not.

Basically, there is no free lunch in insurance coverage, you can't "beat" insurance, and never think of trying to "beat" them.

Buy it if you needs it and when can afford it, should be the mindset.
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In that case, it might be better to follow the adage, don't confuse insurance with investment? Just get a standalone medical card, money invest elsewhere and hope rich enough when elderly, or hope die young if poor investment skill.
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QUOTE(anwa @ Mar 10 2020, 11:26 AM)
In that case, it might be better to follow the adage, don't confuse insurance with investment? Just get a standalone medical card, money invest elsewhere and hope rich enough when elderly, or hope die young if poor investment skill.
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standalone medical card are never meant for long term coverage since it doesn't allow you to add-on any other riders.

However if it fits your bill, go ahead.
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QUOTE(anwa @ Mar 10 2020, 11:26 AM)
In that case, it might be better to follow the adage, don't confuse insurance with investment? Just get a standalone medical card, money invest elsewhere and hope rich enough when elderly, or hope die young if poor investment skill.
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But one time i found out standalone medical card COI is higher than ILP medical card. Other benefits you might wan to consider is the premium waiver in ILP. Standalone doesn't have this.
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standalone medical card are never meant for long term coverage since it doesn't allow you to add-on any other riders.

However if it fits your bill, go ahead.
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I see...the life insurance portion is the one that allow rider. Thanks for the info. Appreciate it.
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I see...the life insurance portion is the one that allow rider. Thanks for the info. Appreciate it.
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The only rider is the premium waiver other life life and tpd and ci u can buy separate. But this premium waiver u cant.
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I see...the life insurance portion is the one that allow rider. Thanks for the info. Appreciate it.
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You will also have to take note that standalone medical card benefits may differ from the ones offered in Investment Linked Policy within the same company. Usually the benefit will be lower / similar.
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Thanks for those replying me on deductibles on V5.

I have a few questions more about this.

Still using my example:
Med Card A AL 20k
Med Card B AL 1.2M 20k deductible

Do I must fork out my own money first then do reimbursement from the 2nd card? Let say total bill is 50k, I using the B card first, do I need to pay the first 20k and claim later?

2nd question is this deductible apply per admission or per year?

Considering this scenario which is I only have Card B

Year 2020
Bill 1 10k I pay 10k, insurer B pay 0
Bill 2 15k I pay 10k, insurer B pay 5k
Bill 3 10k I pay 0, insurer B pay 10k

Year 2021 the 20k deductible will be reset?

If this is correct, how hospital gonna know I already billed 10k on 1st visit/bill when I want to pay for my Bill 2?


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Got it. PA reimburse us of the loss/ injuries due to accident
And also can claim the GP cost.

Is this means medical card only covers room or those procedures/cost
But not reimburse the loss/ injuries ?

I wonder in general does one need PA ? I mean usually lifestyle not extreme hardcore. Staying at Urban city area.
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QUOTE(thomasjames @ Mar 10 2020, 01:35 PM)
Got it. PA reimburse us of the loss/ injuries due to accident
And also can claim the GP cost.

Is this means medical card only covers room or those procedures/cost
But not reimburse the loss/ injuries ?

I wonder in general does one need PA ? I mean usually lifestyle not extreme hardcore. Staying at Urban city area.
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I rides motorbike on weekends, few trips per day....
I bought PA that covers abt 100k for RM20 pm
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QUOTE(thomasjames @ Mar 10 2020, 01:35 PM)
Got it. PA reimburse us of the loss/ injuries due to accident
And also can claim the GP cost.

Is this means medical card only covers room or those procedures/cost
But not reimburse the loss/ injuries ?

I wonder in general does one need PA ? I mean usually lifestyle not extreme hardcore. Staying at Urban city area.
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As long as you drive a car or motorbike, it's advisable to get PA more than you are a housewife since motor accident are high in Malaysia
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Mar 10 2020, 01:41 PM)
I rides motorbike on weekends, few trips per day....
I bought PA that covers abt 100k for RM20 pm
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Hmm. Well said. My current premium monthly is 210.
Sometimes made me wonder if this package too extreme comprehensive.

Agent said can reduce some of those coverage sum insured. Maybe in future I might consider lower down it so that lower premium

This post has been edited by thomasjames: Mar 10 2020, 02:21 PM
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QUOTE(anwa @ Mar 10 2020, 11:26 AM)
In that case, it might be better to follow the adage, don't confuse insurance with investment? Just get a standalone medical card, money invest elsewhere and hope rich enough when elderly, or hope die young if poor investment skill.
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Well, you can fall back to the goverment hospital, not necessarily as a last resort. They provide good care. 😁

QUOTE(thomasjames @ Mar 10 2020, 02:20 PM)
Hmm. Well said. My current premium monthly is 210. 
Sometimes made me wonder if this package too extreme comprehensive.

Agent said can reduce some of those coverage sum insured. Maybe in future I might consider lower down it so that lower premium
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You may want to relook at the riders that are attached to the policy, they are costed into the total premium, if your aim is to lower your insurance premium commitment.

But bear in mind PA only pays accidental death, whereas life policy pays for death from natural/illness causes.

QUOTE(thomasjames @ Mar 10 2020, 01:35 PM)
Got it. PA reimburse us of the loss/ injuries due to accident
And also can claim the GP cost.

Is this means medical card only covers room or those procedures/cost
But not reimburse the loss/ injuries ?

I wonder in general does one need PA ? I mean usually lifestyle not extreme hardcore. Staying at Urban city area.
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Yes, medical card only covers your hospital stay, within limits.
Your life policy may also pay for Total and Permenant Disablement, this may be result of an accident or other reasons as stated in the policy.
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QUOTE(anwa @ Mar 10 2020, 11:26 AM)
In that case, it might be better to follow the adage, don't confuse insurance with investment? Just get a standalone medical card, money invest elsewhere and hope rich enough when elderly, or hope die young if poor investment skill.
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It's ok to get a standalone medical card if you have the discipline to set out a portion of money into investment. Standalone will increase price every 5 years so in the end, the premium would be higher than investment linked. Also, you will need to get a second policy for life/critical illness coverage because standalone doesn't come with any of these.

I only propose standalone medical card for those people who have
1) Limited budget
2) Expatriates who are working in Malaysia and planning to stay in the country for short term.

QUOTE(thomasjames @ Mar 10 2020, 02:20 PM)
Hmm. Well said. My current premium monthly is 210. 
Sometimes made me wonder if this package too extreme comprehensive.

Agent said can reduce some of those coverage sum insured. Maybe in future I might consider lower down it so that lower premium
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RM210 is quite standard nowadays and I wouldn't say it's too comprehensive at this premium. I would say it's at its bare minimum for the life/critical illness coverage. You need the sum insured so that your debts won't pass down to the people around you.
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Can anybody give me your opinions towards Great Easterns Great Family Care plan?

Thanks!
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QUOTE(BacktoBasics @ Mar 9 2020, 03:31 PM)
guys, usually do we need to purchase medical insurance when we are already employed in a company?
yes, more recommended to have. just in case you are not working in that company anymore, at least you have something for yourself

how much coverage should i be looking at?
For a long term one, most companies offer RM1million annual limit.

on average is how much? I am 31 btw. Male - non smoking.
average of RM250-RM300/month for something that provides critical illness payout and medical insurance.
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hi BacktoBasics, hope the above can help you nod.gif

QUOTE(TechnoG @ Mar 9 2020, 09:44 PM)
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hey bro TechnoG, based on the premium you are paying, I will your plan covers quite good. cannot comment much on your medical card. the top 2 priorities I will look into is usually medical card and critical illness payout amount (to replace income during recuperation/treatment period).

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hi anwa, there is no right or wrong. different people got different thoughts. love your input here. for financial and risk planning, ideally its good to plan till at least 80 (yea you are right average lifespan for male is 72~75 and female 75~78). However, insurance plans now have the option to extend when it reaches its plan term. so yea this really solved most of the consumers' problem.

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hi thomasjames, in that case you check whether your medical insurance covers outpatient accidental treatment? because most medical card has this benefit attached to it.

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hi kazekage, very good question that you brought up thumbsup.gif answer in spoiler tongue.gif
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QUOTE(GloryKnight @ Mar 12 2020, 08:54 AM)
Can anybody give me your opinions towards Great Eastern Great Family Care plan?

Thanks!
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hi GloryKnight, my opinion towards the plan is if you are looking into getting yourself protected, then you can consider getting that plan (best utilize if you are looking to cover your parents and children too). What other areas you wanna know? Can't really give much opinion. hmm.gif
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Can anybody give me your opinions towards Great Easterns Great Family Care plan?

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I believe Great Family Care is known as Great Generation Care in Malaysia.

It's a good plan if you have parents who don't have any critical illness coverage and it covers your future children as well. Parents don't have to go through any medical underwriting for this (of course cannot have any pre-existing conditions).

Also, if the proposer survive up to 80 years old, you will be getting the premiums you paid back. (If you pass away before that, you get the sum assured)

I would suggest this plan to clients who have:
1) Family history of getting cancer, Alzheimer or Parkinson.
2) Clients who have parents before age 80 and medical card is too expensive for the parents.
3) As an additional boost to own critical illness coverage as well as for parents and children.
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Dear All Master,

Would appreciate your view on the following term quoted by GE agent to me.

I'm 33 yo single, non-smoker, drinker, OL with medical insurance currently covered by company.
Thinking of purchase medical insurance in case im not with the company.

Monthly RM220

Life, TPD and 45 CI until 80 yo (RM50K)

RM150 room
Annual limit rm990k
Lifetime unlimited

Is it worth to go for it?
Tks for advise.
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QUOTE(TK801808 @ Mar 12 2020, 07:08 PM)
Dear All Master,

Would appreciate your view on the following term quoted by GE agent to me.

I'm 33 yo single, non-smoker, drinker, OL with medical insurance currently covered by company.
Thinking of purchase medical insurance in case im not with the company.

Monthly RM220

Life, TPD and 45 CI until 80 yo (RM50K)

RM150 room
Annual limit rm990k
Lifetime unlimited

Is it worth to go for it?
Tks for advise.
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Hi TK, with the premium quoted, the benefits look worth it to me.
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QUOTE(ckdenion @ Mar 12 2020, 07:11 PM)
Hi TK, with the premium quoted, the benefits look worth it to me.
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Ckdenion, is it? Thanks for your comments.
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QUOTE(TK801808 @ Mar 12 2020, 07:08 PM)
Dear All Master,

Would appreciate your view on the following term quoted by GE agent to me.

I'm 33 yo single, non-smoker, drinker, OL with medical insurance currently covered by company.
Thinking of purchase medical insurance in case im not with the company.

Monthly RM220

Life, TPD and 45 CI until 80 yo (RM50K)

RM150 room
Annual limit rm990k
Lifetime unlimited

Is it worth to go for it?
Tks for advise.
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Make sure it comes with waiver extra rider because you didn’t mention it in your post. Ask if SEPCC is included (early stage CI).
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QUOTE(GloryKnight @ Mar 12 2020, 08:54 AM)
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GE Great Generation Care Plan.

We call it 3D protection.
- Death
- Disability
- Decease

You will get your sum assured claim if death or TPD or 45 Critical Illness.
If nothing happen, by age 80 you will get total premium paid or sum assured which ever higher.
**Got guaranteed cash value/ surrender value

Due to GE campaign offer, this plan is cheaper than other GE Critical Illness Plan with same coverage.

The best is free 20% sum assured for you kids or FUTURE kids till age18. Cover 45 CI + 11 Children illness.

some example sharing.
Female 30NBD, RM200/m get RM168K sum assured
maturity age 80 she paid RM120K, return is RM168K

If your children pass age 17, they are eligibility for the plan.
RM80/m can get RM100K sum assured. Best part ... cover your future grandchildren for free.

Parents rider is options. Need top up for it.
Still good if age over 70 below 80. Cover till age100.

This post has been edited by tyenfei: Mar 13 2020, 10:08 AM
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Ckdenion, is it? Thanks for your comments.
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perhaps you can also consider increasing the critical illness payout and shorten the term of the plan to 70 years old (extend the coverage term when it reaches 70)

Life, TPD and 45 CI until 70 yo (RM80K)

RM150 room
Annual limit rm990k
Lifetime unlimited
with TPD/CI premium waiver till 70 yo

the additional 30k CI payout does help. just a suggestion. hope to hear from your good news upon getting the plan that you want. thumbsup.gif
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Age 30-35

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Any recommend ?
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QUOTE(moneyd9 @ Mar 13 2020, 01:49 AM)
Looking for best medical insurance

Age 30-35

No budget

Any recommend ?
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while waiting for responses, I kay poh and googled and found this....
hope it can provide you with some info while you wait for responses...

best medical insurance plan in malaysia
https://www.google.com/search?ei=uXZqXq7ZL4...i13.CJ7fUnXQY1A

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QUOTE(moneyd9 @ Mar 13 2020, 01:49 AM)
Looking for best medical insurance

Age 30-35

No budget

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Halo friend,

Quote require following basic info:
gender
smoker / none smoker
accurate age. example 35 NBD (meaning you are 35 this year but haven't pass birthday)
type of work (risk calculation)

better to have monthly budget.
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QUOTE(TK801808 @ Mar 12 2020, 07:08 PM)
Dear All Master,

Would appreciate your view on the following term quoted by GE agent to me.

I'm 33 yo single, non-smoker, drinker, OL with medical insurance currently covered by company.
Thinking of purchase medical insurance in case im not with the company.

Monthly RM220

Life, TPD and 45 CI until 80 yo (RM50K)

RM150 room
Annual limit rm990k
Lifetime unlimited

Is it worth to go for it?
Tks for advise.
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If that’s your given budget then it looks maximized. Unless you are buying based on needs then you’ll need to see if your agent have recommended you the right plan beside just medical coverage.

QUOTE(moneyd9 @ Mar 13 2020, 01:49 AM)
Looking for best medical insurance

Age 30-35

No budget

Any recommend ?
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What’s your gender, occupation and do you smoke or not ?
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QUOTE(moneyd9 @ Mar 13 2020, 01:49 AM)
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Age 30-35

No budget

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As there are as many insurance products as there are insurers, the best medical plan would be what best meets you needs. Basic information and any medical history would be taken into consideration when preparing a quote.
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Hi,
I just bought the Allianz for MediSafe Infinite+ base plan with other rides like power link, etc.. In the policy schedule summary page where it listed benefits summary and premium dates, it stated the maturity / expiry date for all benefits is 2040 (which mean i will be 67 years old that time). But the agent said it is cover till 100 years old and will renew to 100 years old when it mature at 2040.
Is it true that it will be auto renew till 100 years without any terms?
Just worry when mature at 2040 that time, suddenly it will say other terms like health, etc.
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QUOTE(thinkgoodpositive @ Mar 14 2020, 10:36 PM)
Hi,
I just bought the Allianz for MediSafe Infinite+ base plan with other rides like power link, etc.. In the policy schedule summary page where it listed benefits summary and premium dates, it stated the maturity / expiry date for all benefits is 2040 (which mean i will be 67 years old that time). But the agent said it is cover till 100 years old and will renew to 100 years old when it mature at 2040.
Is it true that it will be auto renew till 100 years without any terms?
Just worry when mature at 2040 that time, suddenly it will say other terms like health, etc.
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Both the sales illustration and policy should provide information if it's renewable. Ask the agent to point out the specific clause that's it's renewable. But generally all insurance companies do provide renewal option currently for investment linked policy.
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QUOTE(thinkgoodpositive @ Mar 14 2020, 10:36 PM)
Hi,
I just bought the Allianz for MediSafe Infinite+ base plan with other rides like power link, etc.. In the policy schedule summary page where it listed benefits summary and premium dates, it stated the maturity / expiry date for all benefits is 2040 (which mean i will be 67 years old that time). But the agent said it is cover till 100 years old and will renew to 100 years old when it mature at 2040.
Is it true that it will be auto renew till 100 years without any terms?
Just worry when mature at 2040 that time, suddenly it will say other terms like health, etc.
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Yo thinkgoodpositive (love your user id here tongue.gif)

Yea in this case, you are currently buying a plan with 20 years term. That plan itself is renewable till age 100. Upon reaching the 20th year, you will be prompt to extend the coverage and top up premium when necessary to run the policy longer.
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Hi masters,

I realised that my Great Eastern medical insurance was actually an investment-linked life insurance with medical cover packaged together.

What I have is Smartprotect Essential 2, with add ons:

Premium Waiver
Critical Illness
Smart Medic + SMX
Hospitalisation Benefits
Smart Early Payout

I feel like my agent duped me into signing up for this whole bundle so he could earn more commission. This was the first product I bought from him and I knew nothing about insurance at that time.

Is there anything I can/should do about this?
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QUOTE(Cyclopes @ Mar 15 2020, 12:46 AM)
Both the sales illustration and policy should provide information if it's renewable. Ask the agent to point out the specific clause that's it's renewable. But generally all insurance companies do provide renewal option currently for investment linked policy.
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Thanks. There is clause for renewable upon maturity to 100 years I just worried when that time they may check health status.
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QUOTE(ckdenion @ Mar 15 2020, 02:05 AM)
Yo thinkgoodpositive (love your user id here tongue.gif)

Yea in this case, you are currently buying a plan with 20 years term. That plan itself is renewable till age 100. Upon reaching the 20th year, you will be prompt to extend the coverage and top up premium when necessary to run the policy longer.
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Ya, top up is understood. I just worried when that time dunno will ask or check my health status again before approve or extend my coverage.
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QUOTE(RigerZ @ Mar 15 2020, 05:26 PM)
Hi masters,

I realised that my Great Eastern medical insurance was actually an investment-linked life insurance with medical cover packaged together.

What I have is Smartprotect Essential 2, with add ons:

Premium Waiver
Critical Illness
Smart Medic + SMX
Hospitalisation Benefits
Smart Early Payout

I feel like my agent duped me into signing up for this whole bundle so he could earn more commission. This was the first product I bought from him and I knew nothing about insurance at that time.

Is there anything I can/should do about this?
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Halo RigerZ,

Any reason why you feel so bad about investment link plan?

SPE2 is medical plan from GE. With sum assured coverage (consider as life).

Premium Waiver - This allow you to continue enjoy medical plan for free if you encounter TPD / Critical illness event.
Critical Illness - depending the sum assure allocated, for you when hit by 45 critical illness
Smart Medic + SMX - the medical plan. minimum RM990K annual no lifetime limit including kidney/ cancer.
Hospitalisation Benefits - pocket money if admitted to hospital. amount depend what you sign up
Smart Early Payout - this one work with CRITICAL ILLNESS. Payout partially in early stage when you hit by 45 CI.

Can help review if got more information.
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Hi,
I just bought the Allianz for MediSafe Infinite+ base plan with other rides like power link, etc.. In the policy schedule summary page where it listed benefits summary and premium dates, it stated the maturity / expiry date for all benefits is 2040 (which mean i will be 67 years old that time). But the agent said it is cover till 100 years old and will renew to 100 years old when it mature at 2040.
Is it true that it will be auto renew till 100 years without any terms?
Just worry when mature at 2040 that time, suddenly it will say other terms like health, etc.
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auto-renew to 100 years old as long as the cash value can pay for the insurance charges. Can be 20-30k yearly premium at age 80 though..
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QUOTE(RigerZ @ Mar 15 2020, 05:26 PM)
Hi masters,

I realised that my Great Eastern medical insurance was actually an investment-linked life insurance with medical cover packaged together.

What I have is Smartprotect Essential 2, with add ons:

Premium Waiver
Critical Illness
Smart Medic + SMX
Hospitalisation Benefits
Smart Early Payout

I feel like my agent duped me into signing up for this whole bundle so he could earn more commission. This was the first product I bought from him and I knew nothing about insurance at that time.

Is there anything I can/should do about this?
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If you just sign up recently still got free look period to cancel.

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QUOTE(tyenfei @ Mar 15 2020, 11:40 PM)
Halo RigerZ,

Any reason why you feel so bad about investment link plan?


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QUOTE(ahwai @ Mar 16 2020, 12:15 AM)
If you just sign up recently still got free look period to cancel.
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I bought this solely for protection and not for investing. I do not want to end up paying extra in my later years if because the investment funds are not doing well and doesnt cover the insurance charges.

I've had this policy for about 5 years already
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QUOTE(thinkgoodpositive @ Mar 15 2020, 06:27 PM)
Thanks. There is clause for renewable upon maturity to 100 years  I just worried when that time they may check health status.
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For AIA, you indicate as you purchase the policy if you want to renew, then no further underwriting at a later age. Takes away the guesswork. Just continue paying your premium to maintain your policy. Can't comment about your current policy.
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QUOTE(RigerZ @ Mar 16 2020, 06:59 AM)
I bought this solely for protection and not for investing. I do not want to end up paying extra in my later years if because the investment funds are not doing well and doesnt cover the insurance charges.

I've had this policy for about 5 years already
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5 years is a bit too long to do anything now. You may want to read up on term policy if your primary aim is solely protection. But check out what riders you can/cannot add in a term policy. Investment Link policy gives flexibility that a term policy does not.
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QUOTE(Cyclopes @ Mar 16 2020, 07:07 AM)
5 years is a bit too long to do anything now. You may want to read up on term policy if your primary aim is solely protection. But check out what riders you can/cannot add in a term policy. Investment Link policy gives flexibility that a term policy does not.
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I meant protection in terms of medical, not term life
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QUOTE(thinkgoodpositive @ Mar 14 2020, 10:36 PM)
Hi,
I just bought the Allianz for MediSafe Infinite+ base plan with other rides like power link, etc.. In the policy schedule summary page where it listed benefits summary and premium dates, it stated the maturity / expiry date for all benefits is 2040 (which mean i will be 67 years old that time). But the agent said it is cover till 100 years old and will renew to 100 years old when it mature at 2040.
Is it true that it will be auto renew till 100 years without any terms?
Just worry when mature at 2040 that time, suddenly it will say other terms like health, etc.
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No worries as you may top up on your policy from time to time to increase the sustainability of the policy.

QUOTE(RigerZ @ Mar 15 2020, 05:26 PM)
Hi masters,

I realised that my Great Eastern medical insurance was actually an investment-linked life insurance with medical cover packaged together.

What I have is Smartprotect Essential 2, with add ons:

Premium Waiver
Critical Illness
Smart Medic + SMX
Hospitalisation Benefits
Smart Early Payout

I feel like my agent duped me into signing up for this whole bundle so he could earn more commission. This was the first product I bought from him and I knew nothing about insurance at that time.

Is there anything I can/should do about this?
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Did your agent explain to you the entire plan?

QUOTE(RigerZ @ Mar 16 2020, 06:59 AM)
I bought this solely for protection and not for investing. I do not want to end up paying extra in my later years if because the investment funds are not doing well and doesnt cover the insurance charges.

I've had this policy for about 5 years already
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Most insurance companies sell investment link policies nowadays so unless you opt for whole life or term insurance (medical card), the other option is just investment link.
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QUOTE(RigerZ @ Mar 16 2020, 06:59 AM)
I bought this solely for protection and not for investing. I do not want to end up paying extra in my later years if because the investment funds are not doing well and doesnt cover the insurance charges.

I've had this policy for about 5 years already
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1st of all. SPE2 is medical plan as mentioned before.
If you need the critical illness coverage then basic sum assured apply. This part share with LIFE/TPD. That's how this plan designed.

If purely compare price confirm higher than normal standalone.
If compare benefits then much more than standalone.

Example you only plan to take medical cover for 5 /10 years then left the country .. standalone much cheaper especially if you are young.
I'll encourage youngster to get this if they really out of budget. Start low better than ZERO.

Reminder the cost getting higher and really costly over age65. Many give up by this time. You have to pay yearly or half year. No monthly allow.
Imaging if RM6000 yearly and keep on increase.
I check current cheapest option age65-70 RM6000.
age71-75 RM9000
age76 ..over RM13000

Why market got ILP medical plan?
1st, can add waiver rider. Free premium if TPD/CI event happen. Standalone no. You got to pay every year.
2. sustainable premium till old age. even if cost increase still much cheaper and affordable.
3. optional riders can be add in your plan. what you get is what you pay. at least you got the options.

Eventually the total amount paid by both Standalone and ILP plan is about the same at the end. Anyhow ..Standalone got to pay much more if you longevity

Suggest you meet with your agent. Get him/her explain to you pros and cons both plan face to face.
Reading here might not able to give you full picture.

Wish all of us have a good monday smile.gif

This post has been edited by tyenfei: Mar 16 2020, 10:59 AM
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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Mar 16 2020, 10:33 AM)

Did your agent explain to you the entire plan?

Most insurance companies sell investment link policies nowadays so unless you opt for whole life or term insurance (medical card), the other option is just investment link.
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No he did not explain it entirely. We only briefly went over the medical covers.

So even if i were to buy a medical policy now it will be ILP as well?
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QUOTE(RigerZ @ Mar 16 2020, 11:05 AM)
No he did not explain it entirely. We only briefly went over the medical covers.

So even if i were to buy a medical policy now it will be ILP as well?
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You have an option to get it as a term insurance (stand alone medical card) that does not have investment involved.

Or through ILP if you want to add on other riders as well.

I will normally suggest my clients to go for ILP for a more complete coverage.
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QUOTE(RigerZ @ Mar 16 2020, 09:19 AM)
I meant protection in terms of medical, not term  life
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Unless you are of the view that the riders (add on) are unwarranted, I believe the agent, in good faith, ticked all available riders😆 (based on brochure), in wanting to meet your medical & health protection. 

On your other question on buying a medical policy now, if your intent is only  to get coverage for hospital stay and related cost, than you can opt for a standalone medical plan. Or you can source for other available options.

But be noted that insurance cost for medical/health will increase as you age irrespective whether it's standalone or investment linked.
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QUOTE(tyenfei @ Mar 16 2020, 10:57 AM)
1st of all. SPE2 is medical plan as mentioned before.
If you need the critical illness coverage then basic sum assured apply. This part share with LIFE/TPD. That's how this plan designed.

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Eventually the total amount paid by both Standalone and ILP plan is about the same at the end. Anyhow ..Standalone got to pay much more if you longevity
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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Mar 16 2020, 11:26 AM)
Or through ILP if you want to add on other riders as well.

I will normally suggest my clients to go for ILP for a more complete coverage.
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QUOTE(Cyclopes @ Mar 16 2020, 06:40 PM)
Unless you are of the view that the riders (add on) are unwarranted, I believe the agent, in good faith, ticked all available riders😆 (based on brochure), in wanting to meet your medical & health protection. 

On your other question on  buying a medical policy now, if your intent is only  to get coverage for hospital stay and related cost, than you can opt for a standalone medical plan. Or you can source for other available options.

But be noted that insurance cost  for medical/health will increase as you age  irrespective whether it's standalone or investment linked.
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So that means I would have needed this policy to have the add on riders (which I kinda do) anyway

Thanks all for your clarifications
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hi RigerZ, my guess is your main concern is not feeling good because you are getting something that you are not aware of. If you really look into term life + standalone medical compared to ILP (with the exact same benefits), actually till the end of the day, you wont have any investment return, unless you terminated the ILP before age 70/80 where by it wont be a lot too. of course this itself is very subjective depending on what age you bought at.

perhaps you can let us know what do you wanna do next? look into a re-planning for your financial risk?

QUOTE(thinkgoodpositive @ Mar 15 2020, 06:30 PM)
Ya, top up is understood. I just worried when that time dunno will ask or check my health status again before approve or extend my coverage.
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regarding that term renewal it is a renewal without needing to check health status (provided you agree to extend before it reaches the end of the term, company will send a letter of request to you).



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QUOTE(ckdenion @ Mar 17 2020, 05:25 PM)
hi RigerZ, my guess is your main concern is not feeling good because you are getting something that you are not aware of. If you really look into term life + standalone medical compared to ILP (with the exact same benefits), actually till the end of the day, you wont have any investment return, unless you terminated the ILP before age 70/80 where by it wont be a lot too. of course this itself is very subjective depending on what age you bought at.

perhaps you can let us know what do you wanna do next? look into a re-planning for your financial risk?
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I just want my medical insurance to cover for my medical expenses and critical illnesses, period.

What I thought I had was::

Smart Medic as the main policy

+ Premium Waiver
+ Critical Illness
+ Hospitalisation Benefits
+ Smart Early Payout
+ SMXtra

As you have quoted me, I do not and did not intend for my medical policy to be mixed with any sort of investing nonsense which may affect my premium when I'm old.

Nor do I want to be talking about investment returns and financial risks when it is a medical policy.

However, based on earlier replies, it seems that the main policy + riders I have now is already the best option.

Unless you have other inputs?


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QUOTE(RigerZ @ Mar 17 2020, 09:49 PM)
I just want my medical insurance to cover for my medical expenses and critical illnesses, period.

What I thought I had was::

Smart Medic as the main policy

+ Premium Waiver
+ Critical Illness
+ Hospitalisation Benefits
+ Smart Early Payout
+ SMXtra

As you have quoted me, I do not and did not intend for my medical policy to be mixed with any sort of investing nonsense which may affect my premium when I'm old.

Nor do I want to be talking about investment returns and financial risks when it is a medical policy.

However, based on earlier replies, it seems that the main policy + riders I have now is already the best option.

Unless you have other inputs?
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Halo RigerZ,

Even I myself as GE agent can't "judge" you are having the best option or not. Because "best" base on multiple factors and personal availability cum budget.
Further more we are not able to see/ review your policy information.

Suggest you have to talk with your agent. Open talk shd be good for both of you.

Technically the plan seems covered most you need. Enough or not will need review.

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QUOTE(RigerZ @ Mar 17 2020, 09:49 PM)
I just want my medical insurance to cover for my medical expenses and critical illnesses, period.

What I thought I had was::

Smart Medic as the main policy

+ Premium Waiver
+ Critical Illness
+ Hospitalisation Benefits
+ Smart Early Payout
+ SMXtra

As you have quoted me, I do not and did not intend for my medical policy to be mixed with any sort of investing nonsense which may affect my premium when I'm old.

Nor do I want to be talking about investment returns and financial risks when it is a medical policy.

However, based on earlier replies, it seems that the main policy + riders I have now is already the best option.

Unless you have other inputs?
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hi Rigerz, I couldn't really determine whats the best option for you because I'm not sure of the amount of critical illness payout you want. Perhaps what I can share is, you can compare your ILP benefits & premium paid vs. term life (that comes with CI) + standalone medical card. then you decide which one is the most cost effective with the coverage you get.
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If under any insurance plan , Kena covid 19 , what will the insurance agent will do for me ? Wanna hear other opinions here
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QUOTE(moneyd9 @ Mar 18 2020, 01:18 PM)
If under any insurance plan , Kena covid 19 , what will the insurance agent will do for me ? Wanna hear other opinions here
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Depending which company and what extra policy they offered.

If you talking about test positive and treatment period ... found this sharing over FB.

user posted image

If your medical plan got government hospital benefits, the daily cash shd be add in.

If death ..then follow the life assured insurance policies in your hand plus the extra benefits as above.
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QUOTE(moneyd9 @ Mar 18 2020, 01:18 PM)
If under any insurance plan , Kena covid 19 , what will the insurance agent will do for me ? Wanna hear other opinions here
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hi moneyd9, first it depends which insurance company you bought from.

COVID-19 Financial Assitance by insurance companies

You and your family members will be able to get the stated financial assistance stated in the link above. Hope it helps. Insurance agent will help you to file the claims to the respective companies for the financial assitance.
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So when insurance company say they are covering covid 19 what they mean by that is they will pay you for each day you are admitted to the hospital??? Bcs currently no private hospital taking in covid 19 patient...
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QUOTE(JustcallmeLarry @ Mar 19 2020, 01:53 AM)
So when insurance company say they are covering covid 19 what they mean by that is they will pay you for each day you are admitted to the hospital??? Bcs currently no private hospital taking in covid 19 patient...
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Yes, that is correct, insurance companies will pay you hospitalisation cash if you are hospitalised due to Covid-19. This only applies to insurance companies which have waived the exclusion on communicable disease requiring quarantine by law.

The reason private hospitals are not taking in Covid-19 patients is due to government instruction to send any Covid-19 patient to centre for infection disease like Sungai Buloh Hospital. When Sungai Buloh Hospital reaches its limit, private hospitals might have to come into play, and patients without medical card will have to pay with their own money for the treatment.
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QUOTE(JustcallmeLarry @ Mar 19 2020, 01:53 AM)
So when insurance company say they are covering covid 19 what they mean by that is they will pay you for each day you are admitted to the hospital??? Bcs currently no private hospital taking in covid 19 patient...
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hi Larry, even if you are admitted to gov. hospital, you will be given hospitalization cash benefit as well in this case wink.gif
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QUOTE(JustcallmeLarry @ Mar 19 2020, 01:53 AM)
So when insurance company say they are covering covid 19 what they mean by that is they will pay you for each day you are admitted to the hospital??? Bcs currently no private hospital taking in covid 19 patient...
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Meaning if I have been saving money for rainy days instead of investing in insurance, insurance isn't helping much for COVID-19 in Malaysia. Those non-investment insurance is more than good enough.
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QUOTE(edmund_yung @ Mar 21 2020, 11:48 AM)
Meaning if I have been saving money for rainy days instead of investing in insurance, insurance isn't helping much for COVID-19 in Malaysia. Those non-investment insurance is more than good enough.
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A few questions you might consider ..

How much you can save? 10K? 100k? or 1Mil?
COVID-19 is your only concern to buy medical insurance? How about dengue? accident? other illness?

For long terms as specially coverage during old age I'll always say ILP medical is the best choice to invest early. As young as possible.

Unless you really tight budget, then I'll say start low better than zero. Get the standalone as is cheap during young age. But much less benefits and high cost when get aging. This is for short term plan.

As mentioned before. Latest update by 15th Mar 2020, 5 insurance companies give extra benefits for those affected by COVID-19.
Some need you to have certain criteria.
for GE, extra coverage given as long as your are GE policy holder. Regardless life / medical / traditional / stand alone / ILP / wholelife or special campaign..

Please refer to few post before for info. Or contact your agent for clarification.
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QUOTE(BacktoBasics @ Mar 9 2020, 04:40 PM)
on average is how much? I am 31 btw. Male - non smoking.
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You can check out AIA.

Webpage: https://www.aia.com.my/en/our-products/medi...ed-regular.html
Product Brochure A-Life Med Regular: https://www.aia.com.my/content/dam/my/en/do...ar-brochure.pdf

I'm having the A-Life Med Regular + A-Plus Med Booster (Standalone Medical Plan)

For age of 31, the premium is RM907 + RM286 = RM1,193
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QUOTE(edmund_yung @ Mar 21 2020, 11:48 AM)
Meaning if I have been saving money for rainy days instead of investing in insurance, insurance isn't helping much for COVID-19 in Malaysia. Those non-investment insurance is more than good enough.
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hi edmund, depends on what angle you are coming from. first thing first, insurance is not for wealth growth (investment). saving money for rainy days I will usually suggest you to put in FD, a minimum of 3 months living expenses in FD is a good start. Insurance is used to cover risk that we cannot bear, say diagnosed with critical illness then need a big sum for treatment and during the recuperation period. COVID-19 is something that is out of our expectation. insurance companies are trying their best to provide financial assistance to those diagnosed with COVID-19. Here's a summary of the financial assistance given by various insurance companies

https://www.facebook.com/advancefa/posts/1333076160212268
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QUOTE(tyenfei @ Mar 21 2020, 01:02 PM)
A few questions you might consider ..

How much you can save? 10K? 100k? or 1Mil?
COVID-19 is your only concern to buy medical insurance? How about dengue? accident? other illness?

For long terms as specially coverage during old age I'll always say ILP medical is the best choice to invest early. As young as possible.

Unless you really tight budget, then I'll say start low better than zero. Get the standalone as is cheap during young age. But much less benefits and high cost when get aging. This is for short term plan.

As mentioned before. Latest update by 15th Mar 2020, 5 insurance companies give extra benefits for those affected by COVID-19.
Some need you to have certain criteria.
for GE, extra coverage given as long as your are GE policy holder. Regardless life / medical / traditional / stand alone / ILP / wholelife or special campaign..

Please refer to few post before for info. Or contact your agent for clarification.
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Invest in ILP??? This is the kind of agent who misled client.

ILP one will be paying more to get more coverage & etc and it's expected because it's already included in the cost of insurance + agent commission.

Stand alone do get lesser coverage and benefits but most agent will not even sell it. Whenever I ask for quote, all come back with the ILP if is not ILP they will show the most expensive stand alone medical card. If people would just learn about insurance they can do more with their money if invest or allocate wisely than buying unnecessary insurance protection included in ILP.

Sadly, very few agent is "honestly" looking after their client.

I recently made a claim for a MRI scan on my spine but due to policy is less than 2 years I have to pay first. Fair enough, so I pay and the claim is approved this month. From admission to discharge to submitting claim, there's no need for insurance agent to be involved due to most paper work is done by the hospital, doctor or the customer service for that insurance co.

Because of this claim, I found out HLA claim procedure is slow and ineffective. They ask for MAR but didn't call, email or sms to notify me. I have to called then only find out they need the MAR. They even told me they send the form by normal post which till today I still haven't received it yet. Luckily the customer service in HLA give a copy to me when i submitted the claim.

The pros on stand alone medical card for my children. It's that now I can switch to another insurance co. without worrying the "investment" portion is burn.

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QUOTE(edmund_yung @ Mar 21 2020, 11:48 AM)
Meaning if I have been saving money for rainy days instead of investing in insurance, insurance isn't helping much for COVID-19 in Malaysia. Those non-investment insurance is more than good enough.
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Saving money for rainy days should ideally not be meant to cover medical or health related cost, as there are many insurance products available for you to cover that risk. Thus it would be prudent to cover yourself with adequate insurance policies and use your life savings for retirement and other more challenging needs that cannot be covered by insurance.

Exclusion on communicable disease is also a risk mitigating provision by insurance companies as not to seriously erode the pool of funds for a specific event.

However in this instance of COVID19, insurance companies had taken the initiative to remove the exclusions so that policyholders are still eligible for any treatment and related cost.
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hi rapple, you are right on the agent misleading client part using the term "investing". basically when it comes to claims procedure, the main job of the agent is to represent you to do all the procedures. true enough that company wont call/email/sms to notify, they will only use hardcopy mail or directly inform the agent so it is the agent to follow up the required documents. Customer/agent need to follow up with the company regarding the claim status.
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QUOTE(ckdenion @ Mar 21 2020, 02:58 PM)
hi rapple, you are right on the agent misleading client part using the term "investing". basically when it comes to claims procedure, the main job of the agent is to represent you to do all the procedures. true enough that company wont call/email/sms to notify, they will only use hardcopy mail or directly inform the agent so it is the agent to follow up the required documents. Customer/agent need to follow up with the company regarding the claim status.
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At this era, a simple email would have done the job but yet they send out normal post that cost money and then the post takes weeks/months to arrived or worst lost.

I bought this HLA through FSM online. I know the agent is based in Penang but they didn't notified me either. That's just bad service from their side.

The claim experience is not bad but the normal post thing really piss me off. Anyway I will proceed to buy another medical card for my children while there are still under HLA coverage till Sep'2020..


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QUOTE(JustcallmeLarry @ Mar 19 2020, 01:53 AM)
So when insurance company say they are covering covid 19 what they mean by that is they will pay you for each day you are admitted to the hospital??? Bcs currently no private hospital taking in covid 19 patient...
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Only certain government hospital is catering for this at the moment to avoid spread of the virus.

QUOTE(edmund_yung @ Mar 21 2020, 11:48 AM)
Meaning if I have been saving money for rainy days instead of investing in insurance, insurance isn't helping much for COVID-19 in Malaysia. Those non-investment insurance is more than good enough.
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ILP is basically allowing the insurance to invest part of the premium for some returns in the future so that it will be used to pay for your future cost of insurance.

QUOTE(rapple @ Mar 21 2020, 03:17 PM)
At this era, a simple email would have done the job but yet they send out normal post that cost money and then the post takes weeks/months to arrived or worst lost.

I bought this HLA through FSM online. I know the agent is based in Penang but they didn't notified me either. That's just bad service from their side.

The claim experience is not bad but the normal post thing really piss me off. Anyway I will proceed to buy another medical card for my children while there are still under HLA coverage till Sep'2020..
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Well it's really "luck" dependent when it comes to servicing, you either get a good or bad agent, but in this case since it's through FSM, I don't know if they even service you since commission is little to none. You pay for what you get I guess. Want some extra service ? Be willing to pay for it or DIY everything yourself.

as for investment, it's really subjective to whether you want to allow other people to invest it for you or you invest it yourself. If you're a good fund manager yourself, go ahead and invest your own money and buy a standalone insurance. smile.gif
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Only certain government hospital is catering for this at the moment to avoid spread of the virus.
ILP is basically allowing the insurance to invest part of the premium for some returns in the future so that it will be used to pay for your future cost of insurance.
Well it's really "luck" dependent when it comes to servicing, you either get a good or bad agent, but in this case since it's through FSM, I don't know if they even service you since commission is little to none. You pay for what you get I guess. Want some extra service ? Be willing to pay for it or DIY everything yourself.

as for investment, it's really subjective to whether you want to allow other people to invest it for you or you invest it yourself. If you're a good fund manager yourself, go ahead and invest your own money and buy a standalone insurance. smile.gif
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You are an agent. You are well aware that commission it's written into the contract. I know how much they get from 1st year till the 7th year and it's not like you say they get NOTHING.

A simple email from FSM is good enough if they get notified but I doubt they know either, since it's by normal post.

ILP it's not an investment. The premium paid after deducting commission and cost of insurance is meant for future use. If the cost of insurance increases, insurance co. can use the "balances previously" instead of increasing the insurance premium.

For ILP, you will get unlimited medical coverage so what.. Most people wouldn't even do a yearly medical check up for prevention and if there's a health problem most would try to ignore it and not faced it. When they really do something about it, maybe it's already too serious and too late.

A simple ulcer on skin after few years turn into BCC skin because of not wanting to eat medicine or consult any skin specialist. Luckily enough, she remove it last year with no serious implication after that. She is someone that is very dear to me.

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Hi all. Just want to ask if someone get infected and pass away due to covid-19, can he/she claim the medical benefit and life insurance after death?
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You can check out AIA.

Webpage: https://www.aia.com.my/en/our-products/medi...ed-regular.html
Product Brochure A-Life Med Regular: https://www.aia.com.my/content/dam/my/en/do...ar-brochure.pdf

I'm having the A-Life Med Regular + A-Plus Med Booster (Standalone Medical Plan)

For age of 31, the premium is RM907 + RM286 = RM1,193
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Plan 150: RM907+RM170 = RM1,077

Subject to any new rates to be announced in future.

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Hi all. Just want to ask if someone get infected and pass away due to covid-19, can he/she claim the medical benefit and life insurance after death?
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Hi rapple, I have no experience buying through FSM and thanks for the info you shared. I believe HLA will directly deal with you regarding the claims. Not sure about the agent though. I too is kinda fed up about the hardcopy mail because it always reaches super late (irregardless of any insurance company). It seems like they send letters batches by batches in one go.

You are right on the ILP plan structure and that is exactly how it works. so long customers dont buy it for investment purpose and purely for insurance purpose, then yes at least they are not misled. I have a friend that he met an agent telling him that the return of the ILP plan is 9% p.a. doh.gif

Standalone medical cards now also have unlimited lifetime limit with high annual limit. So yea definitely you can get one early before the current one is due. Happy researching wink.gif

QUOTE(blibala @ Mar 21 2020, 05:10 PM)
Hi all. Just want to ask if someone get infected and pass away due to covid-19, can he/she claim the medical benefit and life insurance after death?
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hi blibala, yes he can claim medical benefit and life insurance.
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Invest in ILP??? This is the kind of agent who misled client.

ILP one will be paying more to get more coverage & etc and it's expected because it's already included in the cost of insurance + agent commission.

Stand alone do get lesser coverage and benefits but most agent will not even sell it. Whenever I ask for quote, all come back with the ILP if is not ILP they will show the most expensive stand alone medical card. If people would just learn about insurance they can do more with their money if invest or allocate wisely than buying unnecessary insurance protection included in ILP.

Sadly, very few agent is "honestly" looking after their client.

I recently made a claim for a MRI scan on my spine but due to policy is less than 2 years I have to pay first. Fair enough, so I pay and the claim is approved this month. From admission to discharge to submitting claim, there's no need for insurance agent to be involved due to most paper work is done by the hospital, doctor or the customer service for that insurance co.

Because of this claim, I found out HLA claim procedure is slow and ineffective. They ask for MAR but didn't call, email or sms to notify me. I have to called then only find out they need the MAR. They even told me they send the form by normal post which till today I still haven't received it yet. Luckily the customer service in HLA give a copy to me when i submitted the claim.

The pros on stand alone medical card for my children. It's that now I can switch to another insurance co. without worrying the "investment" portion is burn.
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Halo rapple,

I'm sorry if the word "invest" too sensitive here. We can't deny this is how ILP work as you already know. To cover extra cost in future so you can enjoy the similar premium during old age.

Suggest you compare how much you need to pay when age 60 - 70
Try see both ILP & Stand alone scenario start from now.

For your information, my sister signup GE stand alone medical card with us. Also helping a few friends get stand alone as well.
We always compare both ILP / Standalone pros & cons, explained the major different.
Then advise according to individual budget and needs. We don't die die promo ILP only.

I'm not sure how other "misleading" or "dishonest"
They are facts and chart to show how both plan work. May be they drew and talk without official quote. hm... may be they quote you highest plan. Sorry to know that.

Yes if you compare commission ILP higher than stand alone. Same equal to coverage and some important features. Example, waiver benefit.
We can't deny some family need that.

As for claim, is agent's duty to help follow up. Even submit the claim form personally.
We got agent portals and inbox for customer info update to follow up. Shouldn't be complicated.

I do have tough claim experience for mom in law case with HLA before, luckily my insurance friend (not HLA) help a lot. That's one of the trigger point we pick up to serve.

Your ILP "investment" or we call is cash value won't burn if you plan to get from another company. Agent told you burn?

Usually advise to keep the current plan for 4 - 6 months. Then can terminate and withdraw.
They are reason to keep till 12 months as well, depending individual situation.



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Does anyone have bad experience to PA bought from MPI Generali?

Can anyone share pro and con of Allianz versus GE medical plan?

Which insurance company offers trustworth life insurance (life + CI) - 100K for 48 years old female?
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Does anyone have bad experience to PA bought from MPI Generali?

Can anyone share pro and con of Allianz versus GE medical plan?

Which insurance company offers trustworth life insurance (life + CI) - 100K for 48 years old female?
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Good morning Lovebird51.

Below is a list of life insurance companies in Malaysia, and all should be 'trustworthy' as they are regulated by BNM.

Probably your intended question is how good is their customer service, which is very much dependent on the company and the individual Life Planner you deal with.

All the listed companies, including AIA, do provide life, critical illness, health & medical insurance. 

You will need to provide personal details and health condition for a more detailed assessment.

But the premium should be in the range of RM200 to RM400 per month subject to your needs.

http://www.liam.org.my/life_insurance_companies/
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You can check out AIA.

Webpage: https://www.aia.com.my/en/our-products/medi...ed-regular.html
Product Brochure A-Life Med Regular: https://www.aia.com.my/content/dam/my/en/do...ar-brochure.pdf

I'm having the A-Life Med Regular + A-Plus Med Booster (Standalone Medical Plan)

For age of 31, the premium is RM907 + RM286 = RM1,193
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That premium is per month or per year?
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Hi all. Just want to ask if someone get infected and pass away due to covid-19, can he/she claim the medical benefit and life insurance after death?
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Yes, death benefit can be claimed.

Treatment for Covid 19 will be covered.

QUOTE(lovebird51 @ Mar 21 2020, 10:38 PM)
Does anyone have bad experience to PA bought from MPI Generali?

Can anyone share pro and con of Allianz versus GE medical plan?

Which insurance company offers trustworth life insurance (life + CI) - 100K for 48 years old female?
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As long as it's a life policy sold by a life insurance company in Malaysia which is licensed by Bank Negara Malaysia, the benefits will be honored by the insurance company no matter the reputation.

Allianz medical card and critical illness benefit is far superior to GE's FYI

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That premium is per month or per year?
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The latest rates are as follows:

Plan 150: RM907+RM170 = RM1,077 per year.

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QUOTE(lovebird51 @ Mar 21 2020, 10:38 PM)
Does anyone have bad experience to PA bought from MPI Generali?

Can anyone share pro and con of Allianz versus GE medical plan?

Which insurance company offers trustworth life insurance (life + CI) - 100K for 48 years old female?
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hi lovebird51, i didn't deal with MPI before, cant comment much on that.

As for medical card plan, coverage wise, Allianz's is more comprehensive because it's outpatient cancer treatment covers not only Chemo and Radiotherapy, it also covers Targeted, Immuno and Hormonal Therapy.

For life insurance (life + CI), if you are getting the Allianz medical card, just get the CI riders together.
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Are there repercussions if I switch from ILP to Standalone? Im currently about 9 months in my ILP.
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Are there repercussions if I switch from ILP to Standalone? Im currently about 9 months in my ILP.
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Your waiting period restarts and whatever investment you made is loss
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I've been told the COI for ILP is lower than Standalone but is that true? I understand that ILP has cash value and investment to offset the rise in cost compared to standalone. However, if we just look at COI perspective it is the same for both no?
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I've been told the COI for ILP is lower than Standalone but is that true? I understand that ILP has cash value and investment to offset the rise in cost compared to standalone. However, if we just look at COI perspective it is the same for both no?
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I couldn't check the exact insurance charges for standalone. Generally, standalone is much cheaper if you plan to pay for short term but will be more expensive than ILP in long term.
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I couldn't check the exact insurance charges for standalone. Generally, standalone is much cheaper if you plan to pay for short term but will be more expensive than ILP in long term.
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but its more expensive because of COI rises much more for standalone than ILP? Or is it because ILP has investment portion to cover the increase in COI so its more cheaper?
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QUOTE(SwarmTroll @ Mar 23 2020, 11:56 AM)
Are there repercussions if I switch from ILP to Standalone? Im currently about 9 months in my ILP.
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Basically the only thing is you start the waiting period all over again.

QUOTE(SwarmTroll @ Mar 23 2020, 02:05 PM)
I've been told the COI for ILP is lower than Standalone but is that true? I understand that ILP has cash value and investment to offset the rise in cost compared to standalone. However, if we just look at COI perspective it is the same for both no?
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if you are mentioning about medical plan, most likely yes. say for example, the GE standalone medical card has higher cost compared to the one in ILP rider (assuming the medical card has the same benefits, fair comparison).
Great Medic Xtra + Great Extender (GE Standalone Medical Card)
Smart Medic Xtra + Enhancer (GE ILP Medical Card Rider)
Smart Extender (GE ILP Medical Card Rider)

Assume 30y/o male (class 1 occ, non-smoker) purchase a RM200 R&B medical card.
Standalone: 1060 (no breakdown in terms of where the charges goes)
ILP Rider: 793
QUOTE(SwarmTroll @ Mar 23 2020, 06:46 PM)
but its more expensive because of COI rises much more for standalone than ILP? Or is it because ILP has investment portion to cover the increase in COI so its more cheaper?
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the COI increment cannot be compared like that. you can refer to the 2 product links i attached for you as reference.

Hi SwarmTroll, reply as per above.
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QUOTE(SwarmTroll @ Mar 23 2020, 02:05 PM)
I've been told the COI for ILP is lower than Standalone but is that true? I understand that ILP has cash value and investment to offset the rise in cost compared to standalone. However, if we just look at COI perspective it is the same for both no?
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Though it's generally said that ILP medical plan has a lower COI than a standalone, it's not necessarily the case for all age band. For some age band you may find that ILP has a higher COI than standalone plan. In some instance the benefits also vary that making a apple to apple comparison difficult. Also if it's a basic medical plan, the difference may be insignificant.
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but its more expensive because of COI rises much more for standalone than ILP? Or is it because ILP has investment portion to cover the increase in COI so its more cheaper?
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Halo SwarmTroll,

A bit hard to say which is cheap because both plan contain different type of riders. That's make the premium different in general.
And the end of days during old age, you will see the different very much.

Stand alone less rider. ILP usually more riders. Is fair because of more field covered.
So stand alone cheaper during younger age for sure.

To have a better picture. Suggest you get official quotation for both Stand Alone & ILP medical.

Let say if you are age30 male smoker now. Get the both type of quote from different companies.
Compare and check premium from age30 till age70.
COI can be see as well.

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Hi agents, do any of your have info how come the price of my insurance increase for 2 years in a row? Last year I know from the letter it was due to the rise of cost of living. But this year what is their excuse for raising the price again???

When I sign up for my current age I was just suppose to be paying rm800++, last year they increased it to rm1000++ and this year it is a whopping rm1300++. Would it be a waste of time if I call them up to argue???
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Hi agents, do any of your have info how come the price of my insurance increase for 2 years in a row? Last year I know from the letter it was due to the rise of cost of living. But this year what is their excuse for raising the price again???

When I sign up for my current age I was just suppose to be paying rm800++, last year they increased it to rm1000++ and this year it is a whopping rm1300++. Would it be a waste of time if I call them up to argue???
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Good morning.

I thought you queries were already addressed previously. Read the following link for more information. Or call your agent for more comprehensive explanation.
https://www.thestar.com.my/opinion/letters/...costs-explained
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QUOTE(JustcallmeLarry @ Mar 24 2020, 04:38 AM)
Hi agents, do any of your have info how come the price of my insurance increase for 2 years in a row? Last year I know from the letter it was due to the rise of cost of living. But this year what is their excuse for raising the price again???

When I sign up for my current age I was just suppose to be paying rm800++, last year they increased it to rm1000++ and this year it is a whopping rm1300++. Would it be a waste of time if I call them up to argue???
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standalone ? probably because you reach another higher age range or there is an increase in the COI by the company.

Just like ur wantan mee hawker increase 0.50 cent, then next week increase another RM1, you still eat anot ? don't want then go elsewhere or don't eat at all.


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QUOTE(JustcallmeLarry @ Mar 24 2020, 04:38 AM)
Hi agents, do any of your have info how come the price of my insurance increase for 2 years in a row? Last year I know from the letter it was due to the rise of cost of living. But this year what is their excuse for raising the price again???

When I sign up for my current age I was just suppose to be paying rm800++, last year they increased it to rm1000++ and this year it is a whopping rm1300++. Would it be a waste of time if I call them up to argue???
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hi Larry, cant comment much without knowing the details. If you don't mind, maybe you wanna attach the letter so we can clarify for you?
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Hi, serious question about Insurance.

I decide to purchase Medical insurance from Etiqa, and also decide to buy Life insurance from Hong Leong Assurance.

No issue right if I purchase separate insurance at different companies?
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QUOTE(cringe @ Mar 24 2020, 11:17 PM)
Hi, serious question about Insurance.

I decide to purchase Medical insurance from Etiqa, and also decide to buy Life insurance from Hong Leong Assurance.

No issue right if I purchase separate insurance at different companies?
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hi cringe, not an issue at all smile.gif you can purchase even life insurance from multiple companies.
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Hi, serious question about Insurance.

I decide to purchase Medical insurance from Etiqa, and also decide to buy Life insurance from Hong Leong Assurance.

No issue right if I purchase separate insurance at different companies?
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No issue
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Hi,

I’m class 1 worker, age 23, non smoker, dont want ILP, budget RM200 and below

1. AXA insurance is it good? Very affordable, RM52 can be bought already

2. Just looking for insurance plan between GE and Allianz. Which is better? I want to protection for CI, TPD/death, Life, R&B, medical.
Pls recommend me. TQ
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QUOTE(Zoo Howl @ Mar 27 2020, 01:31 AM)
Hi,

I’m class 1 worker, age 23, non smoker, dont want ILP, budget RM200 and below

1. AXA insurance is it good? Very affordable, RM52 can be bought already

2. Just looking for insurance plan between GE and Allianz. Which is better? I want to protection for CI, TPD/death, Life, R&B, medical.
Pls recommend me. TQ
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Allianz don't sell non-ILP plans.

GE has some limited term insurance plan.

if you want all in one plan, you have to opt for ILP plans.
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QUOTE(Zoo Howl @ Mar 27 2020, 01:31 AM)
Hi,

I’m class 1 worker, age 23, non smoker, dont want ILP, budget RM200 and below

1. AXA insurance is it good? Very affordable, RM52 can be bought already

2. Just looking for insurance plan between GE and Allianz. Which is better? I want to protection for CI, TPD/death, Life, R&B, medical.
Pls recommend me. TQ
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Halo Zoo How,

Assuming you pass age23 birthday, with monthly budget RM200 yes you can get GE medical plan for CI, TPD/Life, R&B , HB with annual renew medical.
But definitely ILP.

If you have budget issue, cheapest GE stand alone medical for your age around RM900. Got to pay half year or yearly.
Purely medical, R&B.
https://www.greateasternlife.com/my/en/pers...t-extender.html

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QUOTE(Zoo Howl @ Mar 27 2020, 01:31 AM)
Hi,

I’m class 1 worker, age 23, non smoker, dont want ILP, budget RM200 and below

1. AXA insurance is it good? Very affordable, RM52 can be bought already

2. Just looking for insurance plan between GE and Allianz. Which is better? I want to protection for CI, TPD/death, Life, R&B, medical.
Pls recommend me. TQ
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Good morning.

You may consider AIA too.

Your annual budget is RM2,400; you could opt for

Death/TPD/CI - RM100,000 + Medical Card.
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QUOTE(tyenfei @ Mar 27 2020, 01:56 AM)
Halo Zoo How,

Assuming you pass age23 birthday, with monthly budget RM200 yes you can get GE medical plan for CI, TPD/Life, R&B , HB with annual renew medical.
But definitely ILP.

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Can u PM me about the above mentioned plan? Tq

QUOTE(Cyclopes @ Mar 27 2020, 11:10 AM)
Good morning.

You may consider AIA too.

Your annual budget is RM2,400; you could opt for

Death/TPD/CI - RM100,000 + Medical Card.
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Can u pm the full package and coverage of the mentioned plan? TQ
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QUOTE(Zoo Howl @ Mar 27 2020, 01:31 AM)
Hi,

I’m class 1 worker, age 23, non smoker, dont want ILP, budget RM200 and below

1. AXA insurance is it good? Very affordable, RM52 can be bought already

2. Just looking for insurance plan between GE and Allianz. Which is better? I want to protection for CI, TPD/death, Life, R&B, medical.
Pls recommend me. TQ
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hi Zoo Howl, do you have the plan illustration from AXA?
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The price is based on my gender and DOB


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Hi sure,

The price is based on my gender and DOB
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Hi Zoo Howl, this Axa plan is a standalone medical card which means it does not come with any life and CI coverage as well as waiver.
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QUOTE(Zoo Howl @ Mar 27 2020, 03:15 PM)
Hi sure,

The price is based on my gender and DOB
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Ah okay, it is indeed low price. Normally i will advise to take up medical card with higher limit if it is within your budget. For your case, try looking for 100k-150k CI + a million yearly limit medical card. RM200/month is able to do that.

Do take note on the premium rate of every age ya since you are getting standalone medical. Check Page 2 for the premium rate.
AXA eMedic brochure

This is CI Term Insurance from Great Eastern, check Page 5 for premium rate
Great Eastern CI Term Insurance

Hope the above helps! wink.gif
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QUOTE(ckdenion @ Mar 27 2020, 04:25 PM)
Ah okay, it is indeed low price. Normally i will advise to take up medical card with higher limit if it is within your budget. For your case, try looking for 100k-150k CI + a million yearly limit medical card. RM200/month is able to do that.

Do take note on the premium rate of every age ya since you are getting standalone medical. Check Page 2 for the premium rate.
AXA eMedic brochure

This is CI Term Insurance from Great Eastern, check Page 5 for premium rate
Great Eastern CI Term Insurance

Hope the above helps! wink.gif
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I have check if i add on their “eLife protector” from AXA, my total for eLife protector + eMedic” would come up to RM83.65/month

Life protector is death or TPD covered up to RM200,000
Medic for hospitalisation up to RM100,000

Is it a good deal?
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QUOTE(Zoo Howl @ Mar 27 2020, 05:13 PM)
I have check if i add on their “eLife protector” from AXA, my total for eLife protector + eMedic” would come up to RM83.65/month

Life protector is death or TPD covered up to RM200,000
Medic for hospitalisation up to RM100,000

Is it a good deal?
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Looks okay to me
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QUOTE(Zoo Howl @ Mar 27 2020, 05:13 PM)
I have check if i add on their “eLife protector” from AXA, my total for eLife protector + eMedic” would come up to RM83.65/month

Life protector is death or TPD covered up to RM200,000
Medic for hospitalisation up to RM100,000

Is it a good deal?
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is there CI coverage? btw since i cant do any analysis with you, how much is the life insurance and CI insurance you need?

life insurance (death/tpd) 200k
ci xxx
hospitalization annual limit 100k
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QUOTE(ckdenion @ Mar 27 2020, 08:19 PM)
is there CI coverage? btw since i cant do any analysis with you, how much is the life insurance and CI insurance you need?

life insurance (death/tpd) 200k
ci xxx
hospitalization annual limit 100k
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Unfortunately theres no CI

Life insurance for 200k seems ok for me
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Can claim due to stress staying at home?
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Haha don't think so
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Haha don't think so
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Ok, need to buy insurance, I think covid will last long. Last month gained USD300 lump sum due to one of my beg delayed arrival at my destination. USD150 for buying replacement bag due to damage claim to airline. And GBP600 spending reimburseable until receive my bag.

Insurance is good especially got loophole to milk them for our benefit. Thats why we get insurance as well.
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QUOTE(Zoo Howl @ Mar 27 2020, 10:08 PM)
Unfortunately theres no CI

Life insurance for 200k seems ok for me
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the link i attached to you, is a term CI whereby it also covers 10% bereavement payout

for example you bought a 200k CI, so there will be a bereavement payout of RM20k. see whether this helps. you can also check out Great Eastern Term Direct. 200k Life Insurance is RM34/month.
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QUOTE(Zoo Howl @ Mar 27 2020, 10:08 PM)
Unfortunately theres no CI

Life insurance for 200k seems ok for me
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Take note that eLife protector from AXA is a yearly renewable plan which means every year the premium would be revised based on your age. The renewal will only be up to age 75 and there is no more extension after that.
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QUOTE(ckdenion @ Mar 27 2020, 11:14 PM)
the link i attached to you, is a term CI whereby it also covers 10% bereavement payout

for example you bought a 200k CI, so there will be a bereavement payout of RM20k. see whether this helps. you can also check out Great Eastern Term Direct. 200k Life Insurance is RM34/month.
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QUOTE(GE-DavidK @ Mar 27 2020, 11:35 PM)
Take note that eLife protector from AXA is a yearly renewable plan which means every year the premium would be revised based on your age. The renewal will only be up to age 75 and there is no more extension after that.
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Question on changing nominees: currently my nominee is my sibling, but I want to change it. Do I have to get their signature? Because when I nominated them, they don't know about it. And now because our relationship has soured, I want to revoke their nomination. Question is as above, do they need to agree and sign on the change of nominee form?

Edit: More information from this PDF file: http://www.insuranceinfo.com.my/_system/me...nominations.pdf

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Where the nominee is not the policy owner’s spouse or child or parent (if there is no living spouse
or child at the time of nomination), the nominee will receive the policy moneys only as an
executor and shall distribute it according to the will, or if there is no will, the applicable laws of
distribution. In such a case, the policy is called a non-trust policy. The policy moneys form part of
the deceased’s estate and are subjected to his debts.

For example, if you nominate your brother, he will receive the policy moneys as an executor. The
policy moneys will then form part of your estate
and your brother would be bound to distribute the
policy moneys accordingly, including to your creditors, if any. If there is a surviving spouse, child,
or parent, and there is no will, then according to the Distribution Act 1958, the brother will not
inherit any part of the estate.


And from here: https://www.rockwills.info/insurance-policy...on-in-malaysia/

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If you are not married and nominated your parents in your Insurance policy, then they are your beneficiaries of the Insurance proceeds. However, if you nominated someone other than your parents, then he or she only acts as an Executor and not as a beneficiary. When you pass on, he or she will claim the Insurance moneys and have to give it to the Personal Representative for the deceased’s estate.
So then, in the case of a sibling nominee, if in my will, I specify a different person (not my sibling, as nominated in my insurance policy) as the beneficiary of insurance payout, my sibling can only receive the money and will need to pass the money to the executor for him to distribute according to my will?

This post has been edited by Aurora Boreali: Mar 28 2020, 08:31 PM
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QUOTE(Aurora Boreali @ Mar 28 2020, 08:09 PM)
Question on changing nominees: currently my nominee is my sibling, but I want to change it. Do I have to get their signature? Because when I nominated them, they don't know about it. And now because our relationship has soured, I want to revoke their nomination. Question is as above, do they need to agree and sign on the change of nominee form?

Edit: More information from this PDF file: http://www.insuranceinfo.com.my/_system/me...nominations.pdf
And from here: https://www.rockwills.info/insurance-policy...on-in-malaysia/
So then, in the case of a sibling nominee, if in my will, I specify a different person (not my sibling, as nominated in my insurance policy) as the beneficiary of insurance payout, my sibling can only receive the money and will need to pass the money to the executor for him to distribute according to my will?
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Hi Aurora Boreali, in your case, your brother is a non-trust nominee and you can change the nomination without his consent. According to Section 167 of Insurance Act 1996, your brother is only acting as an executor even though he is the nominee of your insurance policy and he has to distribute the insurance money according to your will/distribution law.

If you are single and your parents are still living, then your parents are trust nominees. If you nominated your parents, you will need to get consent from your parents to change the nomination because your parents are trust nominees.

However, I would advise that you change your nominee as soon as possible to avoid any complications in the future.
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QUOTE(GE-DavidK @ Mar 28 2020, 09:29 PM)
Hi Aurora Boreali, in your case, your brother is a non-trust nominee and you can change the nomination without his consent. According to Section 167 of Insurance Act 1996, your brother is only acting as an executor even though he is the nominee of your insurance policy and he has to distribute the insurance money according to your will/distribution law.

If you are single and your parents are still living, then your parents are trust nominees. If you nominated your parents, you will need to get consent from your parents to change the nomination because your parents are trust nominees.

However, I would advise that you change your nominee as soon as possible to avoid any complications in the future.
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Update on my post: Financial Services Act 2013 (FSA) is the governing law in this matter and replaced Insurance Act 1996.

FSA also reconfirms that the non-trust nominee under Schedule 10 Paragraph 6 ( Section 167 Insurance Act 1996 previously) who receive the policy moneys will do so as executors and will have to distribute the same in accordance with your will or the relevant estate distribution laws.

In fact in the nomination form (from Great Eastern), it has clearly stated that if the appointed nominee is other than spouse, child or parent shall receive the policy money as an executor and not beneficiary. For your brother to receive the policy benefits and not as an executor, the policy need to be assigned to him and he needs to sign an assignment form.
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Hi everyone,
I am currently using pruhealth plan and my annual limit is 100k but life time limit is 1 million.
I wanted to upgrade to a plan with no annual limit and focuses purely or mostly on just the medical card and prefer to have as little investment as possible.

My agent recommended me to get pru value med, would this fit my needs?

Thanks!
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QUOTE(GE-DavidK @ Mar 28 2020, 09:56 PM)
Update on my post: Financial Services Act 2013 (FSA) is the governing law in this matter and replaced Insurance Act 1996.

FSA also reconfirms that the non-trust nominee under Schedule 10 Paragraph 6 ( Section 167 Insurance Act 1996 previously) who receive the policy moneys will do so as executors and will have to distribute the same in accordance with your will or the relevant estate distribution laws.

In fact in the nomination form (from Great Eastern), it has clearly stated that if the appointed nominee is other than spouse, child or parent shall receive the policy money as an executor and not beneficiary. For your brother to receive the policy benefits and not as an executor, the policy need to be assigned to him and he needs to sign an assignment form.
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I see, I saw 2 different forms, not sure which is the latest/valid one:

https://www.greateasternlife.com/content/da...-of-nominee.pdf

https://www.greateasternlife.com/content/da...minees-form.pdf
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QUOTE(smokymcpot @ Mar 28 2020, 10:09 PM)
Hi everyone,
I am currently using pruhealth plan and my annual limit is 100k but life time limit is 1 million.
I wanted to upgrade to a plan with no annual limit and focuses purely or mostly on just the medical card and prefer to have as little investment as possible.

My agent recommended me to get pru value med, would this fit my needs?

Thanks!
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Yes, I think your agent proposed the right plan for Prudential policies. Technically PRUValue Med has no annual limit, but it's a co-insurance so every hospitalisation visit you have to pay a certain amount of deductible (RM300) to claim from Prudential.
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QUOTE(Aurora Boreali @ Mar 28 2020, 08:09 PM)
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Hi Aurora, indeed your siblings are non-trust nominee (only act as an executor on behalf of the proceeds). You can change the nominee without their consent.

you are also right on the beneficiary stated in the will part. Your sibling (executor) will need to pass the proceeds to the beneficiary of the insurance policy stated in your will.

QUOTE(Aurora Boreali @ Mar 28 2020, 10:14 PM)
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hi Aurora, this is the correct form
GE Change of Nomination form

QUOTE(smokymcpot @ Mar 28 2020, 10:09 PM)
Hi everyone,
I am currently using pruhealth plan and my annual limit is 100k but life time limit is 1 million.
I wanted to upgrade to a plan with no annual limit and focuses purely or mostly on just the medical card and prefer to have as little investment as possible.

My agent recommended me to get pru value med, would this fit my needs?

Thanks!
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hi smokymcpot, pruvaluemed has no annual limit and no lifetime limit. only thing is when your claims exceed the PVM point, any other medical cost incur after that, the co-insurance will be 20%.

perhaps you can compare between Pruvalue Med and Prumillion Med

Pruvalue Med (no annual and lifetime limit, exceeded PVM then co-insurance will be 20%)
vs.
Prumillion Med (more than a million annual limit with no lifetime limit)
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QUOTE(Aurora Boreali @ Mar 28 2020, 08:09 PM)
Question on changing nominees: currently my nominee is my sibling, but I want to change it. Do I have to get their signature? Because when I nominated them, they don't know about it. And now because our relationship has soured, I want to revoke their nomination. Question is as above, do they need to agree and sign on the change of nominee form?

Edit: More information from this PDF file: http://www.insuranceinfo.com.my/_system/me...nominations.pdf
And from here: https://www.rockwills.info/insurance-policy...on-in-malaysia/
So then, in the case of a sibling nominee, if in my will, I specify a different person (not my sibling, as nominated in my insurance policy) as the beneficiary of insurance payout, my sibling can only receive the money and will need to pass the money to the executor for him to distribute according to my will?
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If you're still single then it's a non trust policy if you nominate your sibling, if you would like to change it, you can do so by filling up the nomination form to revoke the earlier nomination.

QUOTE(smokymcpot @ Mar 28 2020, 10:09 PM)
Hi everyone,
I am currently using pruhealth plan and my annual limit is 100k but life time limit is 1 million.
I wanted to upgrade to a plan with no annual limit and focuses purely or mostly on just the medical card and prefer to have as little investment as possible.

My agent recommended me to get pru value med, would this fit my needs?

Thanks!
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It will however its an investment policy plan so if you're looking for minimal investment then you may need to look for standalone medical card like aia a med regular.

The Pru value med comes with high limit but will have 20% Co insurance once you exceeds that amount.
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All insurance provider will offer this too right?

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Hello All, :)

I'm looking for medical insurance for myself(33, Non-smoker) & wife(28, Non-smoker)

I'm an expat staying in Malaysia on EP.

Please suggest.

And also, if I should go for a medical card or investment-linked.

Thanks.
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QUOTE(GrumpyNooby @ Mar 30 2020, 01:46 PM)
All insurance provider will offer this too right?

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According to LIAM & BNM, yes but have to apply with T&C.

Basically for Policyholders / Certificate holders who are affected directly by the COVID-19.

For GE, Official statement is "Policyholders who have been infected by COVID-19 or under mandatory home quarantine or suffer loss of income as a result of economic impact of COVID-19."

Check with your agent for info.

This post has been edited by tyenfei: Mar 30 2020, 02:44 PM
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QUOTE(RAL @ Mar 30 2020, 02:10 PM)
Hello All,  smile.gif

I'm looking for medical insurance for myself(33, Non-smoker) & wife(28, Non-smoker)

I'm an expat staying in Malaysia on EP.

Please suggest.

And also, if I should go for a medical card or investment-linked.

Thanks.
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Halo friend,

Will need more info for quote & proposal smile.gif

Husband age 33 pass birth date? Occupation info?
wife age 28 pass birth date? Occupation info?
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Hello,

Please find details as follows:

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Wife: DOB 5th March 1991; Occupation: Market Dev. Executive
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QUOTE(RAL @ Mar 30 2020, 03:27 PM)
Hello,

Please find details as follows:

Myself: DOB 8th July 1986; Occupation: Sr. Business Development Manager

Wife: DOB 5th March 1991; Occupation: Market Dev. Executive
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Hi, which country are you from and how long have you been working in Msia ?
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QUOTE(RAL @ Mar 30 2020, 02:10 PM)
Hello All,  smile.gif

I'm looking for medical insurance for myself(33, Non-smoker) & wife(28, Non-smoker)

I'm an expat staying in Malaysia on EP.

Please suggest.

And also, if I should go for a medical card or investment-linked.

Thanks.
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QUOTE(RAL @ Mar 30 2020, 05:17 PM)
I'm from India & working in Malaysia since 2018
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I would advise that if you are planning to stay in Malaysia for long-term, i.e. settle down in Malaysia, go for investment-linked. If you are planning to leave Malaysia in the next few years, standalone medical card would be better.

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QUOTE(RAL @ Mar 30 2020, 05:17 PM)
I'm from India & working in Malaysia since 2018
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Are you looking for long term stay or short term?
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Hello all !

I'm surveying an insurance right now and not sure which is good but currently looking at Great Eastern takaful product called i-Great Aman.

1. I would like to know if its the right Company to start my insurance journey with due this is my first insurance ? Any tips ?

2. Do I always need to depend on my agent ?

3. Will there be any issues that I will face for claiming or hospitalisation when needed ?

4.Here is what were offered to me as below:

Monthly contribution: RM 200
Yearly contribution: RM 2400
Perlindungan Total Permanent Disability/Death : RM 60,000
Manfaat Khairat Kematian : RM 2,000
Manfaat Tambahan Pampasan penyakit kritikal : RM 25,000
Manfaat Kematian Kemalangan : RM 10,000
Manfaat Cacat Kekal Kemalangan : RM 10,000
Manfaat Emergency Accident Outpatient Treatment : RM 3,000

Medical Card Benefit
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✔Room & board RM150
Coverage up to 180 days
✔Annual limit RM 900,000
✔Lifetime limit = Unlimited
✔Full coverage Takaful (100% Great Eastern Takaful cover)
✔Hospitalisation Benefit. Daily Cash Allowance RM100, tambahan RM50 jika mendapat rawatan di hospital kerajaan.
✔Manfaat waiver. -Sekiranya peserta didiagnos salah satu dari 45 penyakit kritikal atau cacat kekal, caruman takaful peserta akan dipercumakan sehingga berumur 70 tahun.

Saving fund
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10YRS - RM 9,588
15YRS - RM 16,811
20YRS - RM 22,819
30YRS - RM 25,260

Free Car Assistance program: 1 No. Plate Kereta
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QUOTE(ezryezan @ Mar 30 2020, 11:56 PM)
Hello all !

I'm surveying an insurance right now and not sure which is good but currently looking at Great Eastern takaful product called i-Great Aman.

1. I would like to know if its the right Company to start my insurance journey with due this is my first insurance ? Any tips ?

2. Do I always need to depend on my agent ?

3. Will there be any issues that I will face for claiming or hospitalisation when needed ?

4.Here is what were offered to me as below:

Monthly contribution: RM 200
Yearly contribution: RM 2400
Perlindungan Total Permanent Disability/Death : RM 60,000
Manfaat Khairat Kematian : RM 2,000
Manfaat Tambahan Pampasan penyakit kritikal : RM 25,000
Manfaat Kematian Kemalangan : RM 10,000
Manfaat Cacat Kekal Kemalangan : RM 10,000
Manfaat Emergency Accident Outpatient Treatment : RM 3,000

Medical Card Benefit
=============================
✔Room & board RM150
Coverage up to 180 days
✔Annual limit RM 900,000
✔Lifetime limit = Unlimited
✔Full coverage Takaful (100% Great Eastern Takaful cover)
✔Hospitalisation Benefit. Daily Cash Allowance RM100, tambahan RM50 jika mendapat rawatan di hospital kerajaan.
✔Manfaat waiver. -Sekiranya peserta didiagnos salah satu dari 45 penyakit kritikal atau cacat kekal, caruman takaful peserta akan dipercumakan sehingga berumur 70 tahun.

Saving fund
=============================
10YRS - RM 9,588
15YRS - RM 16,811
20YRS - RM 22,819
30YRS - RM 25,260

Free Car Assistance program: 1 No. Plate Kereta
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Make sure ask experience from those already claim from insurances as well. Buying promised policy is one thing.
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Make sure ask experience from those already claim from insurances as well. Buying promised policy is one thing.
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Yes true ! Thank you for notifying me about this issue. notworthy.gif

I would like to know about the claiming whoever have experienced with GE before ?
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QUOTE(RAL @ Mar 30 2020, 02:10 PM)
Hello All,  smile.gif

I'm looking for medical insurance for myself(33, Non-smoker) & wife(28, Non-smoker)

I'm an expat staying in Malaysia on EP.

Please suggest.

And also, if I should go for a medical card or investment-linked.

Thanks.
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Hi RAL,
If you are only looking for Hospitalisation only, then medical card may be sufficient. But if you want a comprehensive medical coverage including illness than an Investment Linked Plan may be more suited. Kindly provide more info on your needs.

Thanks,
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QUOTE(ezryezan @ Mar 30 2020, 11:56 PM)
Hello all !

1. I would like to know if its the right Company to start my insurance journey with due this is my first insurance ? Any tips ?



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The right company would be the one which cover your needs 👍
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QUOTE(ezryezan @ Mar 30 2020, 11:56 PM)
Hello all !

I'm surveying an insurance right now and not sure which is good but currently looking at Great Eastern takaful product called i-Great Aman.

1. I would like to know if its the right Company to start my insurance journey with due this is my first insurance ? Any tips ?

2. Do I always need to depend on my agent ?

3. Will there be any issues that I will face for claiming or hospitalisation when needed ?

4.Here is what were offered to me as below:

Monthly contribution: RM 200
Yearly contribution: RM 2400
Perlindungan Total Permanent Disability/Death : RM 60,000
Manfaat Khairat Kematian : RM 2,000
Manfaat Tambahan Pampasan penyakit kritikal : RM 25,000
Manfaat Kematian Kemalangan : RM 10,000
Manfaat Cacat Kekal Kemalangan : RM 10,000
Manfaat Emergency Accident Outpatient Treatment : RM 3,000

Medical Card Benefit
=============================
✔Room & board RM150
Coverage up to 180 days
✔Annual limit RM 900,000
✔Lifetime limit = Unlimited
✔Full coverage Takaful (100% Great Eastern Takaful cover)
✔Hospitalisation Benefit. Daily Cash Allowance RM100, tambahan RM50 jika mendapat rawatan di hospital kerajaan.
✔Manfaat waiver. -Sekiranya peserta didiagnos salah satu dari 45 penyakit kritikal atau cacat kekal, caruman takaful peserta akan dipercumakan sehingga berumur 70 tahun.

Saving fund
=============================
10YRS - RM 9,588
15YRS - RM 16,811
20YRS - RM 22,819
30YRS - RM 25,260

Free Car Assistance program: 1 No. Plate Kereta
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1. Looks good to me. Every agent has their own style of designing a policy. So make sure you understand how each rider can satisfy your needs. You can consider conventional plans if you are ok to explore.

2. There is a reason why you pay commission to your agent. It is to rely on him whenever you have a question or claim arises. It is all about the professional service to keep you informed. The agent also has to be able to commit to this career long term.

3. Preferably if your agent can do the claim process for you because agent understands your policy better and can do the follow up process for you.

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QUOTE(ezryezan @ Mar 30 2020, 11:56 PM)
Hello all !

I'm surveying an insurance right now and not sure which is good but currently looking at Great Eastern takaful product called i-Great Aman.

1. I would like to know if its the right Company to start my insurance journey with due this is my first insurance ? Any tips ?

2. Do I always need to depend on my agent ?

3. Will there be any issues that I will face for claiming or hospitalisation when needed ?

4.Here is what were offered to me as below:

Monthly contribution: RM 200
Yearly contribution: RM 2400
Perlindungan Total Permanent Disability/Death : RM 60,000
Manfaat Khairat Kematian : RM 2,000
Manfaat Tambahan Pampasan penyakit kritikal : RM 25,000
Manfaat Kematian Kemalangan : RM 10,000
Manfaat Cacat Kekal Kemalangan : RM 10,000
Manfaat Emergency Accident Outpatient Treatment : RM 3,000

Medical Card Benefit
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✔Room & board RM150
Coverage up to 180 days
✔Annual limit RM 900,000
✔Lifetime limit = Unlimited
✔Full coverage Takaful (100% Great Eastern Takaful cover)
✔Hospitalisation Benefit. Daily Cash Allowance RM100, tambahan RM50 jika mendapat rawatan di hospital kerajaan.
✔Manfaat waiver. -Sekiranya peserta didiagnos salah satu dari 45 penyakit kritikal atau cacat kekal, caruman takaful peserta akan dipercumakan sehingga berumur 70 tahun.

Saving fund
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10YRS - RM 9,588
15YRS - RM 16,811
20YRS - RM 22,819
30YRS - RM 25,260

Free Car Assistance program: 1 No. Plate Kereta
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GE medical benefits are a little outdated compared to other insurance company.

You don’t really depend on agent nowadays unless when it comes to claims or change of info.

Agents job is to give a sound financial advise from time to time
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QUOTE(GE-DavidK @ Mar 31 2020, 01:07 AM)
1. Looks good to me. Every agent has their own style of designing a policy. So make sure you understand how each rider can satisfy your needs. You can consider conventional plans if you are ok to explore.

2. There is a reason why you pay commission to your agent. It is to rely on him whenever you have a question or claim arises. It is all about the professional service to keep you informed. The agent also has to be able to commit to this career long term.

3. Preferably if your agent can do the claim process for you because agent understands your policy better and can do the follow up process for you.
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So we also need to depend on our agent a bit for the claims and process. I heard there is some cases that when the agent is no more with the Company, that time the person under the agent will face some difficulties right ?

Thank you for your kind advice.
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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Mar 31 2020, 10:36 AM)
GE medical benefits are a little outdated compared to other insurance company.

You don’t really depend on agent nowadays unless when it comes to claims or change of info.

Agents job is to give a sound financial advise from time to time
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Thank you for your advice on GE. So, I need to explore other Insurance as well.

Can you explain more details about not depending on agents ? I really need to more.


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QUOTE(ezryezan @ Mar 31 2020, 02:46 PM)
So we also need to depend on our agent a bit for the claims and process. I heard there is some cases that when the agent is no more with the Company, that time the person under the agent will face some difficulties right ?

Thank you for your kind advice.
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If that agent resigns, your file is passed to his superior / unit manager to manage. Your policy won't face difficulty but depends on that unit manager wants to service you or not.

QUOTE(ezryezan @ Mar 31 2020, 02:51 PM)
Thank you for your advice on GE. So, I need to explore other Insurance as well.

Can you explain more details about not depending on agents ? I really need to more.
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You basically DIY on your claims / filling of forms to make any changes at the Branches / HQ if you don't want to go through your agent.
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Your employer should be providing you with a medical insurance.
Do check with HR on that first, and then you will have clarity on what kind of coverage you would require.
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QUOTE(GE-DavidK @ Mar 9 2020, 12:36 PM)
AXA E-Medic family plan is a standalone medical card, so it does not come with any life insurance or critical illness. Since it's a standalone medical card, the premium will increase every 5 years based on your age.

It only covers children up to 15 years old. If your children are 16 years old and above, they would be excluded from this plan.

Another thing is that the annual limit for the most expensive plan is only RM100,000 which is not enough for serious illnesses like cancer. The good thing is that each family member will have his own annual limit and doesn't affect each other.

Personally, I would suggest you to get invidividual medical insurance if your budget allows because it is more future proof. Investment-linked medical insurance is more comprehensive which comes with life, critical illness coverage and waiver too.
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Yes, affordable family plan is what im intend to, and im asking experience wise. Btw thanks for the input

QUOTE(tyenfei @ Mar 9 2020, 12:43 PM)
Halo friend,

What you pay is what you get. It is good for low budget plan.
Honestly RM270 barely can get good medical plan for individual age over 30.

Just spend more time to read the T&C. You are looking for protection, not comparing price in wet market.

Anyhow, start low better than zero smile.gif
Choose what you afford and understand the pros & cons. Then plan ahead for future.
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Hai friend,

my mind always set you pay what you get. Here Im looking for experience wise if anyone had use before. Btw thanks for the reminder

QUOTE(ckdenion @ Mar 9 2020, 03:26 PM)
Good day loquelevesque26, I'd deal with AXA medical claims, it is straightforward (so long the needed documents are submitted). More or less the SOP to do claims for every company is similar.
hi wayton, if you are buying ILP, just treat it as a "sure loss" product. Reason being is there are agents selling it to you as something you will get back in return. You can only get back portion of what you have "saved" only if you do partial withdrawal/surrender when you do not want it whereby the reason we look into insurance is mainly for financial risk management. so yea, when i told that to my clients, they don't expect any return out of it, when it runs till the end of the term, mostly the cash value will be near to 0.
hi anwa, for medical insurance, just prepare one for the children until they decided to take over and manage it themselves, most likely when they graduated and step out to pursue for their career.
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Good Day to you sir,

Finally good answer. And understand so much. Hope there will be user experience to share.

Btw thanks for the input
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Good Day to you sir,

Finally good answer. And understand so much. Hope there will be user experience to share.

Btw thanks for the input
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hi loquelevesque26, long time no see! how are you?
yea most importantly you have something to cover you and your family. Claims wise, you just need to submit to AXA HQ at Menara Chulan, Jalan Conlay (not sure whether you went before or not). It will be better if you know an agent (irregardless from which company) so the agent can settle the claims for you.
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QUOTE(ezryezan @ Mar 30 2020, 11:56 PM)
Hello all !

I'm surveying an insurance right now and not sure which is good but currently looking at Great Eastern takaful product called i-Great Aman.

1. I would like to know if its the right Company to start my insurance journey with due this is my first insurance ? Any tips ?

2. Do I always need to depend on my agent ?

3. Will there be any issues that I will face for claiming or hospitalisation when needed ?

4.Here is what were offered to me as below:

Monthly contribution: RM 200
Yearly contribution: RM 2400
Perlindungan Total Permanent Disability/Death : RM 60,000
Manfaat Khairat Kematian : RM 2,000
Manfaat Tambahan Pampasan penyakit kritikal : RM 25,000
Manfaat Kematian Kemalangan : RM 10,000
Manfaat Cacat Kekal Kemalangan : RM 10,000
Manfaat Emergency Accident Outpatient Treatment : RM 3,000

Medical Card Benefit
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✔Room & board RM150
Coverage up to 180 days
✔Annual limit RM 900,000
✔Lifetime limit = Unlimited
✔Full coverage Takaful (100% Great Eastern Takaful cover)
✔Hospitalisation Benefit. Daily Cash Allowance RM100, tambahan RM50 jika mendapat rawatan di hospital kerajaan.
✔Manfaat waiver. -Sekiranya peserta didiagnos salah satu dari 45 penyakit kritikal atau cacat kekal, caruman takaful peserta akan dipercumakan sehingga berumur 70 tahun.

Saving fund
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10YRS - RM 9,588
15YRS - RM 16,811
20YRS - RM 22,819
30YRS - RM 25,260

Free Car Assistance program: 1 No. Plate Kereta
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If u r muslim then go for takaful else for non muslim pls go for conventional. Overall this plan looks ok. GE claim department work in a fixed TAT time. So far my claim case is ok and within the TAT. Always look back to the Exclusions and T&C.
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Which one is better for a standalone medical card: AIA or GE?

Also, do you have any recommendations?
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Which one is better for a standalone medical card: AIA or GE?

Also, do you have any recommendations?
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hi RAL, if you were just to compare these 2, just by looking at purely the benefits in the brochure, I personally will pick AIA

A-Life Med Regular + A-Plus Health Booster by AIA
Great Medic Xtra + Great Extender by Great Eastern

Of course when you get AIA policies, it will be better to opt in as AIA Vitality member to enjoy more benefits.
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Is there any additional cost for AIA Vitality?
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Hi MNet,

Yes, there is a small fee of RM10 per month. As it's a health program that rewards, you can easily recoup the amount. A certain amount will be credited to you if no claims are made on your medical plan.

Additionally if it's pair with certain policies such as A-Life Cancer 360, you get an  20% bonus on your 1st year premium. You can get a maximum discount up to 50% if you diligently maintain the required points over a period of time.


You can obtain more information below:

https://www.aia.com.my/en/our-products/aia-vitality.html


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Why insurance co did not offer deferement of the premium paid?
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Why insurance co did not offer deferement of the premium paid?
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It depends on your insurance company. For Great Eastern, it's only for policyholders who have been:

1) infected by covid-19
2) under mandatory home quarantine
3) suffer loss of income due to covid-19 (need to submit retrenchment letters or any documents related)

The premium deferment is only for 3 months and you need to pay back the deferred premium.


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thanks for the info guys!

Any plans for pregnant women that you can suggest?
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This question might be stupid but how can we pay insurance to AIA via Maybank2u biller?
It keep showing Invalid Bill Account error.

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This question might be stupid but how can we pay insurance to AIA via Maybank2u biller?
It keep showing Invalid Bill Account error.

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Checked with my agent - it seems there are 2 more digit after policy number, which is not shown in my previous receipt, where I paid at branch...
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QUOTE(RAL @ Apr 5 2020, 09:07 PM)
thanks for the info guys!

Any plans for pregnant women that you can suggest?
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Ýou may take a look GE Smart Protect Junior

https://www.greateasternlife.com/my/en/pers...ect-junior.html


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QUOTE(xeon1989 @ Apr 5 2020, 09:35 PM)
Checked with my agent - it seems there are 2 more digit after policy number, which is not shown in my previous receipt, where I paid at branch...
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Have you registered with MY-AIA customer portal. Your policy details including policy number will be available online and you have options to make payment.
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QUOTE(RAL @ Apr 5 2020, 09:07 PM)
thanks for the info guys!

Any plans for pregnant women that you can suggest?
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You can obtain additional information here:
https://www.aia.com.my/en/our-products/crit...fe-lady360.html
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thanks for the info guys!

Any plans for pregnant women that you can suggest?
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You can consider SmartProtect Junior like the previous post mentioned. It includes coverage for pregnant mother until one month after birth and coverage for the child including life and CI.

For pregnant mother's coverage, it includes coverage for pregnancy complications and birth defects of the child.

Take note that there is an entry age limit for pregnant mother which is 13 weeks to 35 weeks of gestational period.
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QUOTE(Cyclopes @ Apr 5 2020, 11:25 PM)
Have you registered with MY-AIA customer portal. Your policy details including policy number will be available online and you have options to make payment.
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I'm helping few of my families to pay. They don't have MY-AIA portal account.
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I'm helping few of my families to pay. They don't have MY-AIA portal account.
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You can get your info from the agent for the full policy number
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QUOTE(xeon1989 @ Apr 6 2020, 07:49 PM)
I'm helping few of my families to pay. They don't have MY-AIA portal account.
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Thy this mode of payment, hopefully it helps:

https://www.aia.com.my/en/help-support/impo...ts/jom-pay.html
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I was quoted by GE and Pru agent with the following plan,

Pru
Life: RM 100,000
160 types CI: RM 100,000
Accidental death & disablement: RM 30,000
Accidental Medical Reimbursement: RM 3,000
Medical card:
1) Room: 200
2) Annual Limit: RM 1,380,000
3) Co-insurance: RM 300
4) Sustainability - 70 YO
Monthly premium: RM 250

GE
Life: RM 100,000 +1%p.a. + cash value
45 types CI: RM 100,000 (early payout)
Accidental death & disablement: RM 15,000
Medical Allowance: RM 100 per day
Medical card:
1) Room: 200
2) Annual Limit: RM 1,320,000
3) Sustainability - 80 YO
Monthly premium: RM 270

I am in dilemma don't know which to go for confused.gif

By the way, I am 1992, M, non smoker, class 1
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hi darksin, what concerns do you have among these 2 plans that you are comparing? what about the agents, whom do you trust more in terms of able to service you and being honest with you?
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QUOTE(darksin_90 @ Apr 6 2020, 11:08 PM)
I was quoted by GE and Pru agent with the following plan,


I am in dilemma don't know which to go for confused.gif

By the way, I am 1992, M, non smoker, class 1
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Maybe you want to take a step back and ask yourself what is it that you want covered. Is the insured amount sufficient to cover all your financial risk; any potential areas not covered or coverage is insufficient, just to kick start your thinking process.
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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Apr 6 2020, 09:02 PM)
You can get your info from the agent for the full policy number
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QUOTE(Cyclopes @ Apr 6 2020, 10:48 PM)
Thy this mode of payment, hopefully it helps:

https://www.aia.com.my/en/help-support/impo...ts/jom-pay.html
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Thanks for sharing.
I asked my family to get full policy number from agent, apparently there are some numbers hidden behind the policy number shown in previous bill... vmad.gif

This post has been edited by xeon1989: Apr 8 2020, 01:05 AM
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QUOTE(xeon1989 @ Apr 8 2020, 01:05 AM)
Thanks for sharing.
I asked my family to get full policy number from agent, apparently there are some numbers hidden behind the policy number shown in previous bill...  vmad.gif
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hi Xeon, there is another 2 more digits behind the alphabet. yea, hope the agent can send the full policy number to you asap.
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QUOTE(darksin_90 @ Apr 6 2020, 11:08 PM)
I was quoted by GE and Pru agent with the following plan,

Pru
Life: RM 100,000
160 types CI: RM 100,000
Accidental death & disablement: RM 30,000
Accidental Medical Reimbursement: RM 3,000
Medical card:
1) Room: 200
2) Annual Limit: RM 1,380,000
3) Co-insurance: RM 300
4) Sustainability - 70 YO
Monthly premium: RM 250

GE
Life: RM 100,000 +1%p.a. + cash value
45 types CI: RM 100,000 (early payout)
Accidental death & disablement: RM 15,000
Medical Allowance: RM 100 per day
Medical card:
1) Room: 200
2) Annual Limit: RM 1,320,000
3) Sustainability - 80 YO
Monthly premium: RM 270

I am in dilemma don't know which to go for confused.gif

By the way, I am 1992, M, non smoker, class 1
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What will be your main priority / concern of coverage at the moment ?

QUOTE(xeon1989 @ Apr 8 2020, 01:05 AM)
Thanks for sharing.
I asked my family to get full policy number from agent, apparently there are some numbers hidden behind the policy number shown in previous bill...  vmad.gif
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normally without the last 2 digit also can transact. Maybe regards to payment now it's more sensitive.
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QUOTE(darksin_90 @ Apr 6 2020, 11:08 PM)
I was quoted by GE and Pru agent with the following plan,

Pru
Life: RM 100,000
160 types CI: RM 100,000
Accidental death & disablement: RM 30,000
Accidental Medical Reimbursement: RM 3,000
Medical card:
1) Room: 200
2) Annual Limit: RM 1,380,000
3) Co-insurance: RM 300
4) Sustainability - 70 YO
Monthly premium: RM 250

GE
Life: RM 100,000 +1%p.a. + cash value
45 types CI: RM 100,000 (early payout)
Accidental death & disablement: RM 15,000
Medical Allowance: RM 100 per day
Medical card:
1) Room: 200
2) Annual Limit: RM 1,320,000
3) Sustainability - 80 YO
Monthly premium: RM 270

I am in dilemma don't know which to go for confused.gif

By the way, I am 1992, M, non smoker, class 1
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For your budget and age, I wouldn't advise to go for co-insurance. Technically 160 types of CI is inclusive of early stage and late stage of CI, so it's equivalent to GE's 45 types of CI coverage. If you want to lower your budget, you can consider to decrease the annual limit.

Waiver is not mentioned in both of the quotation. So you have to take note of that as well. You won't be required to pay for the premium when you get CI/TPD if you have waiver rider.
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QUOTE(darksin_90 @ Apr 6 2020, 11:08 PM)
I was quoted by GE and Pru agent with the following plan,

Pru
Life: RM 100,000
160 types CI: RM 100,000
Accidental death & disablement: RM 30,000
Accidental Medical Reimbursement: RM 3,000
Medical card:
1) Room: 200
2) Annual Limit: RM 1,380,000
3) Co-insurance: RM 300
4) Sustainability - 70 YO
Monthly premium: RM 250

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My friend is same age as you

His current medical plan is
Life : Nil
Accidental death : RM 100,000
36 type CI : RM 100,000
Room 200
Annual Limit : RM 1,000,000
Co-insurance : Nil
Only RM 930 per year.


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QUOTE(ckdenion @ Apr 8 2020, 09:51 AM)
hi Xeon, there is another 2 more digits behind the alphabet. yea, hope the agent can send the full policy number to you asap.
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Thank you. Yes, after getting the full policy number with the missing 2 digits, payment went smooth.

QUOTE(lifebalance @ Apr 8 2020, 10:46 AM)
What will be your main priority / concern of coverage at the moment ?
normally without the last 2 digit also can transact. Maybe regards to payment now it's more sensitive.
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Not sure about the other payment method, but maybank2u require full policy number with digits behind.
Without digits it ends with "Wrong account number" error.
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QUOTE(xeon1989 @ Apr 10 2020, 08:02 PM)
Thank you. Yes, after getting the full policy number with the missing 2 digits, payment went smooth.
Not sure about the other payment method, but maybank2u require full policy number with digits behind.
Without digits it ends with "Wrong account number" error.
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good to know that Xeon. yes indeed M2U need the 2 digit after the alphabet, this is the required format.
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Which would the best pregnancy coverage for one who is at 6weeks pregnancy now? She only has HLA medical card.
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Which would the best pregnancy coverage for one who is at 6weeks pregnancy now? She only has HLA medical card.
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You can consider SmartProtect Junior from Great Eastern.

For pregnant mother's coverage, it includes coverage including life, accidental death and premature delivery of the baby. For pregnancy complications, it includes 7 types of conditions like fatty liver pregnancy and placenta increta.

19 types of congenital conditions or birth defects of the child is also included in the coverage like Down’s Syndrome and Cerebral Palsy.

Take note that there is an entry age limit for pregnant mother which is 13 weeks to 35 weeks of gestational period. Gestational age refers to the length of pregnancy after the first day of the last menstrual period. So she still need to wait for 2 more months to be eligible.
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QUOTE(drbone @ Apr 14 2020, 03:24 PM)
Which would the best pregnancy coverage for one who is at 6weeks pregnancy now? She only has HLA medical card.
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You may consider this:

https://www.aia.com.my/en/our-products/crit...fe-lady360.html

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Which would the best pregnancy coverage for one who is at 6weeks pregnancy now? She only has HLA medical card.
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hi drbone, does she wants the baby in the womb to have medical card as well? or just to cover any pregnancy complications?
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hi drbone, does she wants the baby in the womb to have medical card as well? or just to cover any pregnancy complications?
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To cover for pregnancy complications
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ok drbone, she can look into either AIA or Prudential plan specifically for ladies that also covers pregnancy.

A-Life Lady360 by AIA
PRULady by Prudential

The area that AIA covers is slightly more than Prudential hence the premium is slightly higher too. If she wants to get a medical card for baby in the womb, can bundle it together with AIA's one as well to earn more cash benefits. Else, the Prudential one is sufficient enough, Prudential's lady plan is the pioneer in the market as well.
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Hey Guys,

Sorry to barge into the discussion. But out of curiosity, is there any option to insure baby in the womb as well?

And, if there any insurance plan that covers baby in the womb + mother?

Please share recommendations.
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Hey Guys,

Sorry to barge into the discussion. But out of curiosity, is there any option to insure baby in the womb as well?

And, if there any insurance plan that covers baby in the womb + mother?

Please share recommendations.
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yes there is, you can look into prudential / AIA for the plan.
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can you recommend some plans, please?
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can you recommend some plans, please?
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to help you get more info and more focused on your query....
try this....
There are many types of insurance plans being offered, in this article, they will be looking at the three most common and relevant to all of us.
https://www.ibanding.my/the-basics-of-malay...ne-should-know/

mother and baby in womb insurance plan Malaysia
https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=...Q4dUDCAY&uact=5

after that, decide on what you want....
then at minimum state your occupation, age, budget or coverage amount,.....


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can you recommend some plans, please?
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For aia you can try lady 360 with a life joy
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Hello Guys,

Out of the below-shortlisted ones, which one you think is the best?

AIA: https://www.aia.com.my/en/our-products/life...life-joy-2.html

Pru: https://www.prudential.com.my/en/our-produc...fant-care-plus/

Pru: https://www.prudential.com.my/en/our-produc...umy-child-plus/

GE: https://www.greateasternlife.com/my/en/pers...ect-junior.html
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You may also want to look into Lady360 as it gives specific coverage to the mum-to-be during pregnancy in addition to attaching child related coverage:


https://www.aia.com.my/en/our-products/crit...fe-lady360.html
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Hie... Looking for suggestions for life insurance.
Planning to take 2M coverage for life and 500k for critical illness. Is it advisable to take under 1 company or multiple company ex 500k per comp to diversify. Kindly advise
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QUOTE(RoGuEWaVe @ Apr 17 2020, 12:47 AM)
Hie... Looking for suggestions for life insurance.
Planning to take 2M coverage for life and 500k for critical illness. Is it advisable to take under 1 company or multiple company ex 500k per comp to diversify. Kindly advise
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Good day friend,

You can get multiple quote to compare.

Even in ONE company got different type of life insurance benefits.

Some life product plan got capping limit for accident death.
Example you take 1M coverage. Accident death in public conveyance suppose to 300% of your sum assure
which is 1M x 300% =3M
BUT the life policy is actually CAPPING at Maximum 2.5M

To get quote you need to provide age(exact birth date)
Gender / smoker / non smoker / occupation and brief info.

#StayHome #StaySafe
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QUOTE(RoGuEWaVe @ Apr 17 2020, 12:46 AM)
Hie... Looking for suggestions for life insurance.
Planning to take 2M coverage for life and 500k for critical illness. Is it advisable to take under 1 company or multiple company ex 500k per comp to diversify. Kindly advise
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hi RoGuEWave, i recommend you get under 1 company. if you are getting from agents, you are going to deal with more than 1 agent for only this particular application and from there you will also get different different opinions (i afraid). unless you are going to engage a financial advisor representative, then it will be a different scenario.
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hi RoGuEWave, i recommend you get under 1 company. if you are getting from agents, you are going to deal with more than 1 agent for only this particular application and from there you will also get different different opinions (i afraid). unless you are going to engage a financial advisor representative, then it will be a different scenario.
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All this while i was tinking to take under 1 comp until someone came up with diversity, reasons incase in future cant handle the committee u still will have partial insurance then losing all in 1 go
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QUOTE(tyenfei @ Apr 17 2020, 08:57 AM)
Good day friend,

You can get multiple quote to compare.

Even in ONE company got different type of life insurance benefits.

Some life product plan got capping limit for accident death.
Example you take 1M coverage. Accident death in public conveyance suppose to 300% of your sum assure
which is 1M x 300% =3M
BUT the life policy is actually CAPPING at Maximum 2.5M

To get quote you need to provide age(exact birth date)
Gender / smoker / non smoker / occupation and brief info.

#StayHome #StaySafe
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Thanks for the info not aware of the capping

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QUOTE(RoGuEWaVe @ Apr 17 2020, 12:47 AM)
Hie... Looking for suggestions for life insurance.
Planning to take 2M coverage for life and 500k for critical illness. Is it advisable to take under 1 company or multiple company ex 500k per comp to diversify. Kindly advise
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QUOTE(RoGuEWaVe @ Apr 17 2020, 11:30 AM)
All this while i was tinking to take under 1 comp until someone came up with diversity, reasons incase in future cant handle the committee u still will have partial insurance then losing all in 1 go
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It will still be the same when it comes to payout of the claims.

There is a questionnaire for you to declare how much you're currently being covered for insurance, even if you don't, they will be able to detect on your coverage by LIAM. So it doesn't matter if you buy from 1 or multiple companies, you will still be required to declare on your financial status or health if it exceeds certain limit.

In order for me to do a quote for you, I need the following info

Age, Gender, Occupation, Smoker or Not.
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QUOTE(RoGuEWaVe @ Apr 17 2020, 12:47 AM)
Hie... Looking for suggestions for life insurance.
Planning to take 2M coverage for life and 500k for critical illness. Is it advisable to take under 1 company or multiple company ex 500k per comp to diversify. Kindly advise
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Adding on to the suggestions above, different plans have different coverage. 20 years plan coverage will be significantly cheaper than a whole life plan. So it depends on your budget and your needs on how long the coverage is.

Another thing to consider is the fund performance if you are opting for an investment-linked policy. Have to take note at the sustainability of the policy as well which will affect your budget as well.
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QUOTE(RoGuEWaVe @ Apr 17 2020, 11:30 AM)
All this while i was tinking to take under 1 comp until someone came up with diversity, reasons incase in future cant handle the committee u still will have partial insurance then losing all in 1 go
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It would be prudent to have the policy written by one insurer to facilitate your claims and reduce  administative work. Your concern on future needs to increase or decrease sum assured can be adequately addressed with proper planning and designing of the policy that will not impact the inforce-ability of the insurance policy.
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QUOTE(RoGuEWaVe @ Apr 17 2020, 12:46 AM)
Hie... Looking for suggestions for life insurance.
Planning to take 2M coverage for life and 500k for critical illness. Is it advisable to take under 1 company or multiple company ex 500k per comp to diversify. Kindly advise
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The coverage that you're buying is quite high and can be quite costly. Would suggest that you buy from 3 insurers to diversify due to the following reasons:
a) the investment returns of each company can be different (yes, the actual investment return can affect the sustainability of your policy)
b) reduce the risk of getting stuck if the life insurer goes bust. In this regard, it is best to choose from a well capitalised company. But still, it's good to diversify.
c) Underwriting requirement can be very high if you purchase 2M coverage from one single company.

Don't worry too much about "admin cost" because the insurance charges (e.g. upfront cost) is usually a fixed percentage of the premiums and any stamp duties (fixed costs) is usually minimal compared to your premiums. Also, if your agent service is good, he/she will help you to administer your policies anyway when you need to make a claim. There wouldn't be any additional cost charge to you when you make a claim because the insurer will pay the sum assured amount and there won't be processing fees for making a claim.

Having said that, some policies may offer you some discounts if the sum assured is high. That is why you may not want to over-diversify across 10 companies. 3 insurers is just nice.

The only real cost to you is the hassle of filling up proposal forms 3 times, but the benefits of diversification will be worth the hassle.

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I am surveying which insurance company i should get my first coverage from. I currently have a stand-alone medical card from AIA since when young (annual limit is very low).

I got quoted and proposal from AIA and GE. GE is wayyyy cheaper than AIA and GE provide higher protection with same premium.

But im curious hows the claim like with GE? Cus i heard some company very difficult to make claim? Advice pls? In dilemma.
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QUOTE(Angel-Look @ Apr 18 2020, 09:38 AM)
I am surveying which insurance company i should get my first coverage from. I currently have a stand-alone medical card from AIA since when young (annual limit is very low).

I got quoted and proposal from AIA and GE. GE is wayyyy cheaper than AIA and GE provide  higher protection with same premium.

But im curious hows the claim like with GE? Cus i heard some company very difficult to make claim? Advice pls? In dilemma.
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I guess, its more like case to case basis and depending on how long ago you bought the insurance plan and how complicated the situation is?
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QUOTE(Angel-Look @ Apr 18 2020, 09:38 AM)
I am surveying which insurance company i should get my first coverage from. I currently have a stand-alone medical card from AIA since when young (annual limit is very low).

I got quoted and proposal from AIA and GE. GE is wayyyy cheaper than AIA and GE provide  higher protection with same premium.

But im curious hows the claim like with GE? Cus i heard some company very difficult to make claim? Advice pls? In dilemma.
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In my experience, GE is relatively easy to claim and clear cut for my clients as long as you can provide the hospital receipts and doctor's statement. You can ask your agent to do all the follow ups for you.
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QUOTE(RoGuEWaVe @ Apr 17 2020, 12:47 AM)
Hie... Looking for suggestions for life insurance.
Planning to take 2M coverage for life and 500k for critical illness. Is it advisable to take under 1 company or multiple company ex 500k per comp to diversify. Kindly advise
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Hi Roguewave,

I have been working together with a GE and Allianz agent for reasons being some clauses that we like in each other's products.

But it's what you want that matters and we'll see what we can work out for you, and we can proceed from there.

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Hi,
Need advice:

My existing policy as below
Prudential
Life: RM 100,000
43 types CI: RM 100,000
Accidental death & disablement: RM 100,000

Medical card:
1) Room: 200
2) Annual Limit: RM 1,380,000
Monthly premium: RM 250

Currently my agent propose me to top up RM100, the new coverage as below
Life :RM200,000
160 types CI :RM 100,000 (x4 times)
Medical remain same coverage
Is it advisable to topup?

Thank you.

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QUOTE(tyenfei @ Apr 17 2020, 08:57 AM)
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hi tyenfei, what do you mean by life policy capping at maximum 2.5M?

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im not so sure of "cant handle the committee" means. can you elaborate more? smile.gif

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hi Angel-Look, since we don't know the details of the plan benefits, it's difficult to comment much on that. for claims wise, i'd dealt with claims from a few companies like Allianz, GE, AIA, Prudential, AXA and Manulife, sp far not difficult. you just need someone that can follow up and guide you what to do will do.

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hi Onioncapsium, if the coverage is something that you find that you need to cover your financial risk management shortfalls, it's ok to go for the top up. your Prudential plan is quite new though. thumbsup.gif
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Anyone working in insurance right now? Particularly in the claims department?

Somehow, I got a feeling that once MCO ends, there would be a surge of claims. Particularly, burglary and money losses. Confirm a lot of fraud cases brows.gif

So, whoever is doing these types of claims... Good Luck
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hi tyenfei, what do you mean by life policy capping at maximum 2.5M?
Halo CK,

Not GE policy. From .. one of the A

To be correct, it is the accident death benefit capping.

As we know most Life ILP plan got extra 200% / 300% some even 400% for accident death.
Somehow I received a quote from customer, I saw the accident death maximum cap at 2.5M.

She ask for 1Million life sum assured. Public conveyance is 300%. The RM2.5M cap affect here. She won't get RM3 million claim in this scenario .
No issue for RM800K and below sum assured.

... so this is why some telling insurance cheat sweat.gif because they miss the T&C.
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Just wondering, consider the following hypothetical scenarios:

John signed up a standalone medical card (Assuming no investment component) at 25yo. 5 years later at 30, the cost of insurance charged to John is RM1,000.

On the other side, Bob signed up the same plan with a good health without any pre-existing illness at the same point at 30yo. Will bob be charged the same cost of insurance as John?
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QUOTE(dallasugg @ Apr 19 2020, 05:32 PM)
Just wondering, consider the following hypothetical scenarios:

John signed up a standalone medical card (Assuming no investment component) at 25yo. 5 years later at 30, the cost of insurance charged to John is RM1,000.

On the other side, Bob signed up the same plan with a good health without any pre-existing illness at the same point at 30yo. Will bob be charged the same cost of insurance as John?
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I wonder too
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Want to know, if buy life insurance 500k show online RM70/month at younger age.

If until age 40 or 50 something. The monthly fee is still the same or will increase every few year?
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QUOTE(jiaen0509 @ Apr 19 2020, 08:06 PM)
Want to know, if buy life insurance 500k show online RM70/month at younger age.

If until age 40 or 50 something. The monthly fee is still the same or will increase every few year?
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I think for standalone life insurance, the premium is pretty much fixed and will not increase over the years.

The only premium that will increase is medical card premium as healthcare cost increases progressively due to inflation.
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QUOTE(dallasugg @ Apr 19 2020, 05:32 PM)
Just wondering, consider the following hypothetical scenarios:

John signed up a standalone medical card (Assuming no investment component) at 25yo. 5 years later at 30, the cost of insurance charged to John is RM1,000.

On the other side, Bob signed up the same plan with a good health without any pre-existing illness at the same point at 30yo. Will bob be charged the same cost of insurance as John?
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For standalone medical card, John and Bob will be charge the same amount cost of insurance.
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QUOTE(jiaen0509 @ Apr 19 2020, 08:06 PM)
Want to know, if buy life insurance 500k show online RM70/month at younger age.

If until age 40 or 50 something. The monthly fee is still the same or will increase every few year?
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The monthly premium pay for standalone life insurance will increase over age. Unless you bought ILP life insurance.
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hi dallasugg, yes they will be charged the same cost of insurance (assuming you are comparing the same exact medical plan and benefits).

QUOTE(jiaen0509 @ Apr 19 2020, 08:06 PM)
Want to know, if buy life insurance 500k show online RM70/month at younger age.

If until age 40 or 50 something. The monthly fee is still the same or will increase every few year?
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hi jiaen0509, when you are buying online, you can check their premium rate table charged at the later ages. it will increase so you refer the table as your reference ya.
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QUOTE(dallasugg @ Apr 19 2020, 09:05 PM)
I think for standalone life insurance, the premium is pretty much fixed and will not increase over the years.

The only premium that will increase is medical card premium as healthcare cost increases progressively due to inflation.
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QUOTE(CALexChai @ Apr 19 2020, 09:06 PM)
For standalone medical card, John and Bob will be charge the same amount cost of insurance.
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QUOTE(CALexChai @ Apr 19 2020, 09:09 PM)
The monthly premium pay for standalone life insurance will increase over age. Unless you bought ILP life insurance.
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QUOTE(ckdenion @ Apr 19 2020, 09:15 PM)
hi dallasugg, yes they will be charged the same cost of insurance (assuming you are comparing the same exact medical plan and benefits).
hi jiaen0509, when you are buying online, you can check their premium rate table charged at the later ages. it will increase so you refer the table as your reference ya.
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Actually I have both Medical+ILP and Life+ILP. After around 2yrs buy the Medical+ILP plan. I receive the mail and ask for extra RM30 monthly.
After ask my agent, he said it will affect the ILP that proposed to me. If no add the RM30, just affect my ILP a bit.

That's why I wonder, if I want to buy extra life insurance(saw online is cheaper and only 70+ per month). Will the price increase every few years.

If it is fixed, than it is good to buy it since I still young.
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QUOTE(jiaen0509 @ Apr 19 2020, 09:38 PM)
Actually I have both Medical+ILP and Life+ILP. After around 2yrs buy the Medical+ILP plan. I receive the mail and ask for extra RM30 monthly.
After ask my agent, he said it will affect the ILP that proposed to me. If no add the RM30, just affect my ILP a bit.

That's why I wonder, if I want to buy extra life insurance(saw online is cheaper and only 70+ per month). Will the price increase every few years.

If it is fixed, than it is good to buy it since I still young.
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Online products are generally term insurance. Depending on the insurer, some online products are sold with fixed premium for the duration of coverage you have selected whereas for some products its varies from year to year.
You have to read the FAQ of the product that you want to purchase for better understanding and avoid any heartache in future.
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QUOTE(Onioncapsium @ Apr 19 2020, 12:48 AM)
Hi,
Need advice:

My existing policy as below
Prudential
Life: RM 100,000
43 types CI: RM 100,000
Accidental death & disablement: RM 100,000

Medical card:
1) Room: 200
2) Annual Limit: RM 1,380,000
Monthly premium: RM 250

Currently my agent propose me to top up RM100, the new coverage as below
Life :RM200,000
160 types CI :RM 100,000 (x4 times)
Medical remain same coverage
Is it advisable to topup?

Thank you.
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Any insurance top up is always good, I fact you should find out if the amount you're topping up is the right amount suitable for you and sufficient to cover all your risk at hand.

The. You're good to go

QUOTE(dallasugg @ Apr 19 2020, 05:32 PM)
Just wondering, consider the following hypothetical scenarios:

John signed up a standalone medical card (Assuming no investment component) at 25yo. 5 years later at 30, the cost of insurance charged to John is RM1,000.

On the other side, Bob signed up the same plan with a good health without any pre-existing illness at the same point at 30yo. Will bob be charged the same cost of insurance as John?
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Yes because term insurance charges base on your age. Even if you're at good health for the last 5 years and Bob just sign up recently at 30.

But the question is if Bob had been hospitalized 2 years ago then he may not be eligible to make a claim or buy an insurance if its a severe health problem.

QUOTE(jiaen0509 @ Apr 19 2020, 08:06 PM)
Want to know, if buy life insurance 500k show online RM70/month at younger age.

If until age 40 or 50 something. The monthly fee is still the same or will increase every few year?
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Yes because it's a term insurance, it will increase over time
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QUOTE(CALexChai @ Apr 19 2020, 09:06 PM)
For standalone medical card, John and Bob will be charge the same amount cost of insurance.
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hi dallasugg, yes they will be charged the same cost of insurance (assuming you are comparing the same exact medical plan and benefits).
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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Apr 20 2020, 01:41 AM)
Yes because term insurance charges base on your age. Even if you're at good health for the last 5 years and Bob just sign up recently at 30.

But the question is if Bob had been hospitalized 2 years ago then he may not be eligible to make a claim or buy an insurance if its a severe health problem.
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So in short of I'm reading your comments correctly, on the presumption that Bob has a healthy body when he signed up the same policy plan at 30yo, he will get charged the same Cost of Insurance as per John who is 30yo too (Who signed up 5 years ago).

So the conclusion here is that so long that you always have a healthy body (Assumption), you will never be charged a higher premium (for same age) for purchasing a medical insurance on a later date as compared to someone who purchased the same much earlier.

Of course, the catch in medical card is that if you sign up later, you run the risk of 1. rejection of getting insured, 2. not covering a pre-existing illness.

With that being case, doesn't it mean that the usual street saying that goes "Buy insurance younger because it cheaper" is invalid?


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QUOTE(dallasugg @ Apr 20 2020, 01:57 PM)
With that being case, doesn't it mean that the usual street saying that goes "Buy insurance younger because it cheaper" is invalid?
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Insurance is cheaper when you are young. - Correct.
But it never said, you buy at young age, and premium will stay cheaper or the same when you are old. - Insurance never tells you this statement neither.

In fact, insurance company already list out table big and clear regarding the premium needs to be paid at each age group and never tell you premium will stay forever the same, especially for medical.

Why someone can interpret as "buy insurance early or young so that it can stay cheaper or at the same" is beyond my understanding.




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QUOTE(dallasugg @ Apr 20 2020, 01:57 PM)
So in short of I'm reading your comments correctly, on the presumption that Bob has a healthy body when he signed up the same policy plan at 30yo, he will get charged the same Cost of Insurance as per John who is 30yo too (Who signed up 5 years ago).

So the conclusion here is that so long that you always have a healthy body (Assumption), you will never be charged a higher premium (for same age) for purchasing a medical insurance on a later date as compared to someone who purchased the same much earlier.

Of course, the catch in medical card is that if you sign up later, you run the risk of 1. rejection of getting insured, 2. not covering a pre-existing illness.

With that being case, doesn't it mean that the usual street saying that goes "Buy insurance younger because it cheaper" is invalid?
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Apr 20 2020, 02:28 PM)
Insurance is cheaper when you are young. - Correct.
But it never said, you buy at young age, and premium will stay cheaper or the same when you are old. - Insurance never tells you this statement neither.

In fact, insurance company already list out table big and clear regarding the premium needs to be paid at each age group and never tell you premium will stay forever the same, especially for medical. 

Why someone can interpret as "buy insurance early or young so that it can stay cheaper or at the same" is beyond my understanding.
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QUOTE(dallasugg @ Apr 20 2020, 01:57 PM)
So in short of I'm reading your comments correctly, on the presumption that Bob has a healthy body when he signed up the same policy plan at 30yo, he will get charged the same Cost of Insurance as per John who is 30yo too (Who signed up 5 years ago).

So the conclusion here is that so long that you always have a healthy body (Assumption), you will never be charged a higher premium (for same age) for purchasing a medical insurance on a later date as compared to someone who purchased the same much earlier.

Of course, the catch in medical card is that if you sign up later, you run the risk of 1. rejection of getting insured, 2. not covering a pre-existing illness.

With that being case, doesn't it mean that the usual street saying that goes "Buy insurance younger because it cheaper" is invalid?
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I guess they are talking about the monthly premium paid. Cost of insurance vs monthly premium payment is two different things. Cost of insurance will increase over the age of the assured. But monthly premium payment calculation for a ILP insurance include the cost of insurance, total years to pay until the end of insured, investment return of the funds. Of course, the early you buy a insurance, the more longer you need to pay, and the average to pay (in this case is monthly premium payment) will be lower.
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Insurance is cheaper when you are young. - Correct.
But it never said, you buy at young age, and premium will stay cheaper or the same when you are old. - Insurance never tells you this statement neither.

In fact, insurance company already list out table big and clear regarding the premium needs to be paid at each age group and never tell you premium will stay forever the same, especially for medical. 

Why someone can interpret as "buy insurance early or young so that it can stay cheaper or at the same" is beyond my understanding.
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Thank you for your detailed clarification.

Well, I believe this is the mindset of the vast majority for anyone who has purchased an insurance without a comprehensive understanding (Or lack literacy) on how it actually work. The interpretation of such would not exist if the engaged insurance agent did a good job in explaining. That is definitely something very comprehensible.

QUOTE(CALexChai @ Apr 20 2020, 07:39 PM)
I guess they are talking about the monthly premium paid. Cost of insurance vs monthly premium payment is two different things. Cost of insurance will increase over the age of the assured. But monthly premium payment calculation for a ILP insurance include the cost of insurance, total years to pay until the end of insured, investment return of the funds. Of course, the early you buy a insurance, the more longer you need to pay, and the average to pay (in this case is monthly premium payment) will be lower.
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I was referring to the cost of insurance portion. Just trying find out if 2 persons (same age) who enter into the same policy at a different point in time i.e. one earlier, another later, will insurance company charge the one who joined later a higher insurance cost.
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Thank you for your detailed clarification.

Well, I believe this is the mindset of the vast majority for anyone who has purchased an insurance without a comprehensive understanding (Or lack literacy) on how it actually work. The interpretation of such would not exist if the engaged insurance agent did a good job in explaining. That is definitely something very comprehensible.

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The advantage of getting insurance earlier is you may minimise the pre-existing illness risk, and get coverage during early age, instead of non.

Not related to cheaper premium or not.



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QUOTE(dallasugg @ Apr 19 2020, 05:32 PM)
Just wondering, consider the following hypothetical scenarios:

John signed up a standalone medical card (Assuming no investment component) at 25yo. 5 years later at 30, the cost of insurance charged to John is RM1,000.

On the other side, Bob signed up the same plan with a good health without any pre-existing illness at the same point at 30yo. Will bob be charged the same cost of insurance as John?
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Suppose to be yes. provided both of their personal information are similar and taking the same plan.
Including next of kin heath history (any cancer record for example)

Always a "BUT" the same plan may not exit.
The Standalone plan John took in 5 years back might not exit. Bob have to take a new version of Standalone plan. Different COI may apply.


as cherroy reminded, is not about cheaper premium or not. Insurance is about having a period time of protection against risk.

Bob may be lucky saving a few thousand for 5 years.
But also taking risk to pay hospital bill using self (ATM card/Credit card) or ask John for help.
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The advantage of getting insurance earlier is you may minimise the pre-existing illness risk, and get coverage during early age, instead of non.

Not related to cheaper premium or not.
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QUOTE(tyenfei @ Apr 21 2020, 10:30 AM)
Suppose to be yes. provided both of their personal information are similar and taking the same plan.
Including next of kin heath history (any cancer record for example)

Always a "BUT" the same plan may not exit.
The Standalone plan John took in 5 years back might not exit. Bob have to take a new version of Standalone plan. Different COI may apply.
as cherroy reminded, is not about cheaper premium or not. Insurance is about having a period time of protection against risk.

Bob may be lucky saving a few thousand for 5 years.
But also taking risk to pay hospital bill using self (ATM card/Credit card) or ask John for help.
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The advantage of getting insurance earlier is you may minimise the pre-existing illness risk, and get coverage during early age, instead of non.

Not related to cheaper premium or not.
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This.

Insurance is all about risk management.

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If I have Accidents Insurance.

If I suddenly fall down, get injured or twist my foot. Can I make a claim? Can I go to the normal clinic or must go hospital only can claim the insurance?

Let say I go to normal clinic, fee is RM100.
Insurance claims back RM100?
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Company insurance comparing with medical card insurance and critical illness.

Say company gave you insurance benefits like hospitalisation according to your position and grades and also free panel clinics. Will it be necessary to have own medical insurance assume working till retirement 55 years old.

Tq
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QUOTE(CoronaV @ Apr 22 2020, 06:32 AM)
Company insurance comparing with medical card insurance and critical illness.

Say company gave you insurance benefits like hospitalisation according to your position and grades and also free panel clinics. Will it be necessary to have own medical insurance assume working till retirement 55 years old.

Tq
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If you are really in tight budget, then no choice, rely on company insurance to save as much as possible.
As having your own insurance, it makes your own insurance redundant.

But with company insurance, you have 2 risk ie
1. Company may decide to remove the insurance benefit in the future.
2. You may not work in the company anymore.

Just need to make justification on your own based on budget and personal planning.
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QUOTE(CoronaV @ Apr 22 2020, 06:32 AM)
Company insurance comparing with medical card insurance and critical illness.

Say company gave you insurance benefits like hospitalisation according to your position and grades and also free panel clinics. Will it be necessary to have own medical insurance assume working till retirement 55 years old.

Tq
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Good morning,
Yes, we feel comforted that the company provides Hospitalisation benefits during our productive years. It may be sufficient during this period while still in employment.
But you may be subject to the following risk
- coverage for financial risk/ commitment that you/your dependents suffer should you be incapacitated due to a disability or death.
- after retirement, rejection by insurance companies for coverage should you suffer any covered illness.

To reduce or eliminate this risks, you may want to consider having your own personal insurance coverage. With proper planning, cost could be kept to a minimum, subject to increase by insurance companies.
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I am not sure if our insurance is ok or not.

Insurance: Prudential BSN Takaful Health Enrich Premier

Age taken: 38y (H&W), 10y (Dotter). Healthy and no illness at that time.

Now: 44y & 16y


Coverage per person: -

Age: Until 80y (If I am not mistaken)

Lifetime limit: RM4,080,000

Annual limit: RM200,000

Preferred Hospitals: Suite Room

Other Hospitals: Deluxe/Single room. Need to pay RM300 as a deposit before warded. Will get back the money from PBSN.

Warded Allowance per day: RM200

Treatments/Clinic: 90 days after warded. Pay first and claims later to PBSN

Death/Disability/Critical Illness: Will get only about RM10K. This insurance covered more on the medical only.

However, if husdand or wife is contacted with the 36 critical illness automatically both premiums will be waived by PBSN for life and no need to pay premium for dotter until she is 21 or 25 years old (Can’t remember).

If dotter is contacted with the 36 critical illness, automatically dotter premium will be waived for life by PBSN. Not sure if premiums for H&W will be waived too. Need to check later.

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QUOTE(farizmalek @ Apr 22 2020, 10:19 AM)
I am not sure if our insurance is ok or not.

Insurance: Prudential BSN Takaful Health Enrich Premier

Age taken: 38y (H&W), 10y (Dotter). Healthy and no illness at that time.

Now: 44y & 16y
Coverage per person: -

Age: Until 80y (If I am not mistaken)

Lifetime limit: RM4,080,000

Annual limit: RM200,000

Preferred Hospitals: Suite Room

Other Hospitals: Deluxe/Single room. Need to pay RM300 as a deposit before warded. Will get back the money from PBSN.

Warded Allowance per day: RM200

Treatments/Clinic: 90 days after warded. Pay first and claims later to PBSN

Death/Disability/Critical Illness: Will get only about RM10K. This insurance covered more on the medical only.

However, if husdand or wife is contacted with the 36 critical illness automatically both premiums will be waived by PBSN for life and no need to pay premium for dotter until she is 21 or 25 years old (Can’t remember).

If dotter is contacted with the 36 critical illness, automatically dotter premium will be waived for life by PBSN. Not sure if premiums for H&W will be waived too. Need to check later.
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woh~ annual limit of RM 200,000 and RM 4 Mill lifetime limit is not good
same goes to the RM 10k CI

I think you better get a new quote but at your age - the premium might be alittle higher

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QUOTE(farizmalek @ Apr 22 2020, 10:19 AM)
I am not sure if our insurance is ok or not.

Insurance: Prudential BSN Takaful Health Enrich Premier

Age taken: 38y (H&W), 10y (Dotter). Healthy and no illness at that time.

Now: 44y & 16y
Coverage per person: -

Age: Until 80y (If I am not mistaken)

Lifetime limit: RM4,080,000

Annual limit: RM200,000

Preferred Hospitals: Suite Room

Other Hospitals: Deluxe/Single room. Need to pay RM300 as a deposit before warded. Will get back the money from PBSN.

Warded Allowance per day: RM200

Treatments/Clinic: 90 days after warded. Pay first and claims later to PBSN

Death/Disability/Critical Illness: Will get only about RM10K. This insurance covered more on the medical only.

However, if husdand or wife is contacted with the 36 critical illness automatically both premiums will be waived by PBSN for life and no need to pay premium for dotter until she is 21 or 25 years old (Can’t remember).

If dotter is contacted with the 36 critical illness, automatically dotter premium will be waived for life by PBSN. Not sure if premiums for H&W will be waived too. Need to check later.
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QUOTE(jiaen0509 @ Apr 21 2020, 10:07 PM)
If I have Accidents Insurance.

If I suddenly fall down, get injured or twist my foot. Can I make a claim? Can I go to the normal clinic or must go hospital only can claim the insurance?

Let say I go to normal clinic, fee is RM100.
Insurance claims back RM100?
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You can claim under the accidental medical reimbursement benefit depending on your amount that is claimable under your policy.

QUOTE(CoronaV @ Apr 22 2020, 06:32 AM)
Company insurance comparing with medical card insurance and critical illness.

Say company gave you insurance benefits like hospitalisation according to your position and grades and also free panel clinics. Will it be necessary to have own medical insurance assume working till retirement 55 years old.

Tq
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Depending on your budget and insurability. It’s advisable to get a personal insurance coverage Because you might be retrenched, retire, laid off, Sacked from your company one day and lose any insurance benefit. You may also be not eligible to buy any insurance at that point of time if you are halving serious health problems.

QUOTE(farizmalek @ Apr 22 2020, 10:19 AM)
I am not sure if our insurance is ok or not.

Insurance: Prudential BSN Takaful Health Enrich Premier

Age taken: 38y (H&W), 10y (Dotter). Healthy and no illness at that time.

Now: 44y & 16y
Coverage per person: -

Age: Until 80y (If I am not mistaken)

Lifetime limit: RM4,080,000

Annual limit: RM200,000

Preferred Hospitals: Suite Room

Other Hospitals: Deluxe/Single room. Need to pay RM300 as a deposit before warded. Will get back the money from PBSN.

Warded Allowance per day: RM200

Treatments/Clinic: 90 days after warded. Pay first and claims later to PBSN

Death/Disability/Critical Illness: Will get only about RM10K. This insurance covered more on the medical only.

However, if husdand or wife is contacted with the 36 critical illness automatically both premiums will be waived by PBSN for life and no need to pay premium for dotter until she is 21 or 25 years old (Can’t remember).

If dotter is contacted with the 36 critical illness, automatically dotter premium will be waived for life by PBSN. Not sure if premiums for H&W will be waived too. Need to check later.
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I’m sorry I am not able to advise just by talking about a policy alone.

Understanding your personal finance is more important for me to advise you on financial matters.
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QUOTE(CoronaV @ Apr 22 2020, 06:32 AM)
Company insurance comparing with medical card insurance and critical illness.

Say company gave you insurance benefits like hospitalisation according to your position and grades and also free panel clinics. Will it be necessary to have own medical insurance assume working till retirement 55 years old.

Tq
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It is good to have company medical benefits. Anyhow, always a limit there. No matter reimbursement outpatient or hospitalization.

Do you know how much company coverage? Try imaging a few scenario then you can figure out.
- if appendicitis, how much may cost
- if cancer, how much may cost

Do take note, if you change of job. The benefits gone.

Suggest you ask for 55Years old medical insurance quote according to your personal info. Roughly can know the cost by that time (inflation need to be add)
Hopefully no health issue / serious illness record, so you still can get protection.

*my opinion, get personal medical plan which can cover till old age 80+/-
You still need it when company medical quota finish.

QUOTE(farizmalek @ Apr 22 2020, 10:19 AM)
I am not sure if our insurance is ok or not.

Insurance: Prudential BSN Takaful Health Enrich Premier

Age taken: 38y (H&W), 10y (Dotter). Healthy and no illness at that time.

Now: 44y & 16y
Coverage per person: -

Age: Until 80y (If I am not mistaken)

Lifetime limit: RM4,080,000

Annual limit: RM200,000

Preferred Hospitals: Suite Room

Other Hospitals: Deluxe/Single room. Need to pay RM300 as a deposit before warded. Will get back the money from PBSN.

Warded Allowance per day: RM200

Treatments/Clinic: 90 days after warded. Pay first and claims later to PBSN

Death/Disability/Critical Illness: Will get only about RM10K. This insurance covered more on the medical only.

However, if husdand or wife is contacted with the 36 critical illness automatically both premiums will be waived by PBSN for life and no need to pay premium for dotter until she is 21 or 25 years old (Can’t remember).

If dotter is contacted with the 36 critical illness, automatically dotter premium will be waived for life by PBSN. Not sure if premiums for H&W will be waived too. Need to check later.
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My opinion, it is not ok if I look into the benefits.
It will be ok if the premium just fit your budget. Something better than nothing.

Suggest you can some new plan quote and compare.
Better to have full policy review. Current policy any cancer claim limit? Kidney treatment limit? co-insurance?

My concern, if your girl contacted by 36 CI .. her medical plan will stuck forever annual limit RM200K.
Yes she got the free medical plan due to waiver. But she still young, medical charge increase from time to time.

Try check out the cancer cost by RinggitPlus year 2018 here:
https://ringgitplus.com/en/blog/sponsored/c...es-it-cost.html

A full policy review might help you.
New plan critical illness more than 36. Upgrade or take new
Just check out the cost and benefits 1st. Compare and decide base on budget.

Most important, you and family understand the situation. No choice if budget tight, just don't regret if affordable but didn't take action.

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Anyone have experience to claim Personal Accidents?

The medical report is? Just ask the clinic doctor to provide? Easy to get?
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QUOTE(farizmalek @ Apr 22 2020, 10:19 AM)
I am not sure if our insurance is ok or not.

Insurance: Prudential BSN Takaful Health Enrich Premier

Age taken: 38y (H&W), 10y (Dotter). Healthy and no illness at that time.

Now: 44y & 16y
Coverage per person: -

Age: Until 80y (If I am not mistaken)

Lifetime limit: RM4,080,000

Annual limit: RM200,000

Preferred Hospitals: Suite Room

Other Hospitals: Deluxe/Single room. Need to pay RM300 as a deposit before warded. Will get back the money from PBSN.

Warded Allowance per day: RM200

Treatments/Clinic: 90 days after warded. Pay first and claims later to PBSN

Death/Disability/Critical Illness: Will get only about RM10K. This insurance covered more on the medical only.

However, if husdand or wife is contacted with the 36 critical illness automatically both premiums will be waived by PBSN for life and no need to pay premium for dotter until she is 21 or 25 years old (Can’t remember).

If dotter is contacted with the 36 critical illness, automatically dotter premium will be waived for life by PBSN. Not sure if premiums for H&W will be waived too. Need to check later.
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In 2014, there were not much attractive offer from the insurance companies. Now so many and affordable.
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Anyone have experience to claim Personal Accidents?

The medical report is? Just ask the clinic doctor to provide? Easy to get?
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Get the medical report & the receipt, fill in the accident claim form. Done.

QUOTE(farizmalek @ Apr 22 2020, 10:29 PM)
In 2014, there were not much attractive offer from the insurance companies. Now so many and affordable.
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Product wise, the newer policies would definitely be better.

You have a choice to look into your existing insurance company whether they can offer you an upgrade or you can seek elsewhere if you wish to change your insurance company.
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QUOTE(farizmalek @ Apr 22 2020, 10:29 PM)
In 2014, there were not much attractive offer from the insurance companies. Now so many and affordable.
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Just like any other industry, each company looking for higher market share. Also risk profile changes based on claims paid and with regulation changes as per BNM direction, more enhanced products introduced into the market. Likely current customers will be offered upgrade without additional medical underwriting, so it's a opportune time to get a better product.
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QUOTE(jiaen0509 @ Apr 21 2020, 10:07 PM)
If I have Accidents Insurance.

If I suddenly fall down, get injured or twist my foot. Can I make a claim? Can I go to the normal clinic or must go hospital only can claim the insurance?

Let say I go to normal clinic, fee is RM100.
Insurance claims back RM100?
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hi jiaen0509, how are you now? for your twisted foot, did you get admitted or only do outpatient treatment? let's say the fee is RM100, have to take a look at the breakdown. for accident medical claims, you can claim, the only thing that is not claimable is mostly registration fees.

QUOTE(jiaen0509 @ Apr 22 2020, 03:03 PM)
Anyone have experience to claim Personal Accidents?

The medical report is? Just ask the clinic doctor to provide? Easy to get?
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how much is the bill? you can actually just as a doctor to write a brief details on the receipt (date of injury, how the accident happen, what is the diagnosis of the injury - eg: twisted foot, what is the treatment done)

if you dont mind can pm me the details i can guide you ya

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Get the medical report & the receipt, fill in the accident claim form. Done.
Product wise, the newer policies would definitely be better.

You have a choice to look into your existing insurance company whether they can offer you an upgrade or you can seek elsewhere if you wish to change your insurance company.
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hi farizmalek, for your post here, you mean you and your daughter both have insurance plan stated for each of you, am i right?

if you will to ask me, the medical card isn't that bad with a RM200k annual limit. my concern for you is more on life insurance. you might wanna look into this risk management planning as well other than risk of forking out medical expenses. try discuss with your Prudential agent, that will help you a lot.
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QUOTE(CoronaV @ Apr 22 2020, 06:32 AM)
Company insurance comparing with medical card insurance and critical illness.

Say company gave you insurance benefits like hospitalisation according to your position and grades and also free panel clinics. Will it be necessary to have own medical insurance assume working till retirement 55 years old.

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Will it be necessary to have own medical insurance assuming working till retirement age at 55 years old?
No, it is not necessary. No laws dictate that you HAVE to have it.

It is your decision, and you decide if you would like to take the risk, or transfer it to the insurance company.

The risk I am referring to, is the risk of hospitalization. For most of us, if the illness doesn't kill us, the hospital bill will.
"But I have my company insurance to pay for it."
Yes, you do! For now, while you are still employed by the company.
As long as you are an employee of your company, you are an insurable interest.
After you retire, you are no longer an insurable interest to the company.
So what do you do? You go shopping for a personal health insurance plan.

At age 55, we are not as healthy, our risk of a critical illness are higher, and for some of us, we already have some medical history.
While you're out shopping for a personal health insurance plan, you may or may not get one, no matter how much money you are willing to pay.

I believe the real question is, WHEN is the best time to get your own medical insurance?
I can't predict your future, but the answer is YESTERDAY.

Maybe I'm an insurance salesmen, and I do this for a living.
But I only ask that you seriously consider getting yourself insured.
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QUOTE(JIUHWEI @ Apr 23 2020, 05:25 PM)
Will it be necessary to have own medical insurance assuming working till retirement age at 55 years old?
No, it is not necessary. No laws dictate that you HAVE to have it.

It is your decision, and you decide if you would like to take the risk, or transfer it to the insurance company.

The risk I am referring to, is the risk of hospitalization. For most of us, if the illness doesn't kill us, the hospital bill will.
"But I have my company insurance to pay for it."
Yes, you do! For now, while you are still employed by the company.
As long as you are an employee of your company, you are an insurable interest.
After you retire, you are no longer an insurable interest to the company.
So what do you do? You go shopping for a personal health insurance plan.

At age 55, we are not as healthy, our risk of a critical illness are higher, and for some of us, we already have some medical history.
While you're out shopping for a personal health insurance plan, you may or may not get one, no matter how much money you are willing to pay.

I believe the real question is, WHEN is the best time to get your own medical insurance?
I can't predict your future, but the answer is YESTERDAY.

Maybe I'm an insurance salesmen, and I do this for a living.
But I only ask that you seriously consider getting yourself insured.
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Pls excuse me if I’m ignorant
Example: firstly, I’m covered by my company both life and medical. By the time I’m 55, there will b an amount that I’ve saved up for insurance. I then use this amount to purchase insurance at the age of 55 (let’s say)

Secondly, if I were to buy insurance at 30years old or 55 years old, the premium would roughly be the same? If not how much difference is the premium? The money saved for 30 to55 years old, could b use to purchase insurance at 55 years old


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Pls excuse me if I’m ignorant
Example: firstly, I’m covered by my company both life and medical. By the time I’m 55, there will b an amount that I’ve saved up for insurance. I then use this amount to purchase insurance at the age of 55 (let’s say)

Secondly, if I were to buy insurance at 30years old or 55 years old, the premium would roughly be the same? If not how much difference is the premium? The money saved for 30 to55 years old, could b use to purchase insurance at 55 years old
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from my encounter....
during my working life,...I had some minor medical incidents, and some unhealthy level of cholesterol, high blood pressure,....
I had difficulties getting new one at age 55.....
even some that I got at age 48 are subjected to loading and exclusion....(eventhough there are no reoccurrence of incidents (for many years) and cholesterol and HBP are under control by medication )

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QUOTE(taiping... @ Apr 23 2020, 06:12 PM)
Pls excuse me if I’m ignorant
Example: firstly, I’m covered by my company both life and medical. By the time I’m 55, there will b an amount that I’ve saved up for insurance. I then use this amount to purchase insurance at the age of 55 (let’s say)

Secondly, if I were to buy insurance at 30years old or 55 years old, the premium would roughly be the same? If not how much difference is the premium? The money saved for 30 to55 years old, could b use to purchase insurance at 55 years old
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As long as you do not have any pre-existing condition by the time you turn 55 years old, then what you've suggested is the best way to go about it.

This is also assuming your medical coverage does not change for the worst and is sufficient throughout your working life.

Best,
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hi farizmalek, for your post here, you mean you and your daughter both have insurance plan stated for each of you, am i right?

if you will to ask me, the medical card isn't that bad with a RM200k annual limit. my concern for you is more on life insurance. you might wanna look into this risk management planning as well other than risk of forking out medical expenses. try discuss with your Prudential agent, that will help you a lot.
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Thank you for your feedback. Yes, the medical insurance each covered for self, wife and my dotter.

The purpose of my posting is whether our current medical insurance is sufficient. We bought it in 2014 and that was one of the best at that time. Now i am 44 and to change to a new and better one will be expensive. Beside that o have already have illness although not that serious.

As a back-up, my wife is Pegawai Kerajaan and I have GL for government hospital (From my wife). Plus my sister (adik) is a specialist in UITM Hospital, Selayang (not hospital selayang). Plus without the GL from my wife, i am still covered for life for free from the government because I already donated blood more than 50 times to National Blood Center.

In term of life saving, as a seaman before and also working overseas, currently I have cash: RM3,223,000 in my KWSP and ASNB. All my properties, land and cars were fully paid (No loans) and no credit card debt or personal loans.

I am still working.

My question is that, do i need to upgrade/change my medical insurance and also to get a life insurance from my condition above.
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If budget and health allows, try to get something with higher limit. of course this is just a general advice. you will wanna engage a financial planner to analyze your situation though. from your situation, looks like there is not much worry on the medical emergency fund. it is more on life insurance that you should look into. and it involves Faraid that im not familiar with. if you wanna engage with someone that is familiar with Faraid, i can recommend my friend to you.
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QUOTE(taiping... @ Apr 23 2020, 06:12 PM)
Pls excuse me if I’m ignorant
Example: firstly, I’m covered by my company both life and medical. By the time I’m 55, there will b an amount that I’ve saved up for insurance. I then use this amount to purchase insurance at the age of 55 (let’s say)

Secondly, if I were to buy insurance at 30years old or 55 years old, the premium would roughly be the same? If not how much difference is the premium? The money saved for 30 to55 years old, could b use to purchase insurance at 55 years old
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I don't have a crystal ball, but very likely what you save for 25 years ( from age 30 to age 55) will likely not be enough to buy you a new medical policy from age 55 onwards that will sustain for another 25 years.
The premium will not be the same at age 30 and age 55. No crystal ball either to know what the medical cost inflation will be 25 years from today.
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QUOTE(farizmalek @ Apr 24 2020, 05:33 AM)
Thank you for your feedback. Yes, the medical insurance each covered for self, wife and my dotter.

The purpose of my posting is whether our current medical insurance is sufficient. We bought it in 2014 and that was one of the best at that time. Now i am 44 and to change to a new and better one will be expensive. Beside that o have already have illness although not that serious.

As a back-up, my wife is Pegawai Kerajaan and I have GL for government hospital (From my wife). Plus my sister (adik) is a specialist in UITM Hospital, Selayang (not hospital selayang). Plus without the GL from my wife, i am still covered for life for free from the government because I already donated blood more than 50 times to National Blood Center.

In term of life saving, as a seaman before and also working overseas,  currently I have cash: RM3,223,000 in my KWSP and ASNB. All my properties, land and cars were fully paid (No loans) and no credit card debt or personal loans.

I am still working.

My question is that, do i need to upgrade/change my medical insurance and also to get a life insurance from my condition above.
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In short, I believe your family has good coverage currently for medical. You may want to relook on life insurance for yourself and estate planning/wasiat.
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QUOTE(taiping... @ Apr 23 2020, 06:12 PM)
Pls excuse me if I’m ignorant
Example: firstly, I’m covered by my company both life and medical. By the time I’m 55, there will b an amount that I’ve saved up for insurance. I then use this amount to purchase insurance at the age of 55 (let’s say)

Secondly, if I were to buy insurance at 30years old or 55 years old, the premium would roughly be the same? If not how much difference is the premium? The money saved for 30 to55 years old, could b use to purchase insurance at 55 years old
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Yes, most of us are covered by our employee benefits throughout the tenure of our employment.
By the time you're 55, yes, you would have saved up an amount for lots of various purposes, insurance can be one of your purposes.
But money is actually the secondary factor in buying personal insurance. First, we have to ensure that we are in reasonable health condition to be "insurable".

Buying now at 30 vs buying later at 55. The premium will ROUGHLY be the same, CONSIDERING in 25 years from now, there is no improvement in product, no inflation, no improvement in coverage, and no change in your health condition.
If all these conditions are met, then yes, your statement is correct.
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QUOTE(farizmalek @ Apr 24 2020, 05:33 AM)
Thank you for your feedback. Yes, the medical insurance each covered for self, wife and my dotter.

The purpose of my posting is whether our current medical insurance is sufficient. We bought it in 2014 and that was one of the best at that time. Now i am 44 and to change to a new and better one will be expensive. Beside that o have already have illness although not that serious.

As a back-up, my wife is Pegawai Kerajaan and I have GL for government hospital (From my wife). Plus my sister (adik) is a specialist in UITM Hospital, Selayang (not hospital selayang). Plus without the GL from my wife, i am still covered for life for free from the government because I already donated blood more than 50 times to National Blood Center.

In term of life saving, as a seaman before and also working overseas,  currently I have cash: RM3,223,000 in my KWSP and ASNB. All my properties, land and cars were fully paid (No loans) and no credit card debt or personal loans.

I am still working.

My question is that, do i need to upgrade/change my medical insurance and also to get a life insurance from my condition above.
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Sounds good for you.

Will suggest you look into critical illness coverage. Also wealth & legacy planing.
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In short, I believe your family has good coverage currently for medical. You may want to relook on life insurance for yourself and estate planning/wasiat.
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Thank you. I will maintained my current medical insurance and rel-look into the wealth and life ins.
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QUOTE(tyenfei @ Apr 24 2020, 02:22 PM)
Sounds good for you.

Will suggest you look into critical illness coverage. Also wealth & legacy planing.
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Hi guys, what is your feedback about the above child plan to cover the baby in the womb. This one is from Prudential (Pru_my_child) & will cost around 201rm per month.

Suggestions please..
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SA (Death / TPD) for the above plan is RM50k
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Hi guys, what is your feedback about the above child plan to cover the baby in the womb. This one is from Prudential (Pru_my_child) & will cost around 201rm per month.

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I believe it's a medical card for the child + pregnancy coverage for the mother as well. You can consider adding in coverage for child critical illnesses and adult's critical illnesses into the coverage. Also ensure that waivers for both the child and the payer is included in the design.

You can consider similar plans from Great Eastern's SmartProtect Junior as well.
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May I know is there any medical insurance where the insurance charges (not just premium) are fixed for the rest of your life?
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Good morning.

As it currently stands, no medical plan with fixed insurance cost. There are fixed band for age groups that will increase as you get older.

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Good morning.

As it currently stands, no medical plan with fixed insurance cost.  There are fixed band for age groups that will increase as you get older.
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Thank you. I was looking for a way to hedge against the rising medical costs but seems like it is not possible.
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QUOTE(smallikanbilis @ Apr 25 2020, 09:07 AM)
Thank you. I was looking for a way to hedge against the rising medical costs but seems like it is not possible.
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QUOTE(smallikanbilis @ Apr 25 2020, 02:43 AM)
May I know is there any medical insurance where the insurance charges (not just premium) are fixed for the rest of your life?
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hi smallikanbilis, not that i know of at the moment.
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QUOTE(taiping... @ Apr 23 2020, 06:12 PM)
Pls excuse me if I’m ignorant
Example: firstly, I’m covered by my company both life and medical. By the time I’m 55, there will b an amount that I’ve saved up for insurance. I then use this amount to purchase insurance at the age of 55 (let’s say)

Secondly, if I were to buy insurance at 30years old or 55 years old, the premium would roughly be the same? If not how much difference is the premium? The money saved for 30 to55 years old, could b use to purchase insurance at 55 years old
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The premium you have saved won't be much considering you will be paying much more once you get older, whatever you have assume to "save" during the 25 period from 30 to 55 years old may be marginal against being diagnosed with any illnesses in between.

The insurance cost difference yearly of a 30 year old and 55 year old is probably about RM1000?

Again, Insurance is managing your own risk. If you think the next 25 years, nothing will happen to you. Then so be it.

QUOTE(farizmalek @ Apr 23 2020, 02:08 PM)
cannot already have illness
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QUOTE(farizmalek @ Apr 24 2020, 05:33 AM)
Thank you for your feedback. Yes, the medical insurance each covered for self, wife and my dotter.

The purpose of my posting is whether our current medical insurance is sufficient. We bought it in 2014 and that was one of the best at that time. Now i am 44 and to change to a new and better one will be expensive. Beside that o have already have illness although not that serious.

As a back-up, my wife is Pegawai Kerajaan and I have GL for government hospital (From my wife). Plus my sister (adik) is a specialist in UITM Hospital, Selayang (not hospital selayang). Plus without the GL from my wife, i am still covered for life for free from the government because I already donated blood more than 50 times to National Blood Center.

In term of life saving, as a seaman before and also working overseas,  currently I have cash: RM3,223,000 in my KWSP and ASNB. All my properties, land and cars were fully paid (No loans) and no credit card debt or personal loans.

I am still working.

My question is that, do i need to upgrade/change my medical insurance and also to get a life insurance from my condition above.
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Hi Fariz, from your more elaborated explanation, your medical coverage will be sufficient for now, since you are able to get coverage from Government especially your wife is a government servant.

With the age of 44 now and a sum of money in KWSP and ASNB, it will continue to snowball for you to a bigger sum in the future to cover your retirement and medical expenses (should any illnesses arise).

You can consider to look into building a legacy for your family should anything happen to you earlier.


QUOTE(smallikanbilis @ Apr 25 2020, 02:43 AM)
May I know is there any medical insurance where the insurance charges (not just premium) are fixed for the rest of your life?
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There is no such thing unfortunately as medical expenses is a big variable cost to the insurance company.

It's like telling a wan tan mee seller to fix their price at RM5 in 2020 until year 2100 for the same portion. Would you think it's logical ?
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Try study the possibility of using ilp product for the 'hedge'?
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Hmmm I have always wondered why some agents ask us to buy medical insurance early to protect against escalating medical fees. Seems like there is no way to get a product that features fixed cost of insurance, guaranteed renewal, and no portfolio withdrawal clause
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QUOTE(smallikanbilis @ Apr 25 2020, 02:44 PM)
Hmmm I have always wondered why some agents ask us to buy medical insurance early to protect against escalating medical fees. Seems like there is no way to get a product that features fixed cost of insurance, guaranteed renewal, and no portfolio withdrawal clause
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I think buying when older may cost more due to loadings of pre existing illness, family history and could be subjected to lengthy in depth medical examination too....

they cannot provides you with the current fixed premium for a lengthy period due to the yearly rises of medical cost....as below provides some insight of the % amount of rises per year.
Medical Inflation
https://infocus.wief.org/medical-inflation/
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QUOTE(smallikanbilis @ Apr 25 2020, 02:44 PM)
Hmmm I have always wondered why some agents ask us to buy medical insurance early to protect against escalating medical fees. Seems like there is no way to get a product that features fixed cost of insurance, guaranteed renewal, and no portfolio withdrawal clause
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Start early protection mainly to cover against risk of illness.

For medical fees yes you can have affordable premium during young age. With the inflation increase you still be able to pay lower premium when age grow compare to those new join. Because system calculation for risk of age / illness are not same from time to time.

ILP medical good to start young as well.

You may get some quote to compare. Check the same sum assured and protection for young and old age.
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QUOTE(smallikanbilis @ Apr 25 2020, 02:44 PM)
Hmmm I have always wondered why some agents ask us to buy medical insurance early to protect against escalating medical fees. Seems like there is no way to get a product that features fixed cost of insurance, guaranteed renewal, and no portfolio withdrawal clause
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There is a plan from Great Eastern which features fixed/guaranteed cost of insurance which is SmartProtect Sure. It is a type of life insurance + critical illness policy but it's not the medical insurance you are looking for though.
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Thank you but I am not looking for life insurance with fixed COI. Unlike medical insurance, I think rising longevity should make it cheaper in general over the long run...


QUOTE(GE-DavidK @ Apr 25 2020, 05:14 PM)
There is a plan from Great Eastern which features fixed/guaranteed cost of insurance which is SmartProtect Sure. It is a type of life insurance + critical illness policy but it's not the medical insurance you are looking for though.
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QUOTE(smallikanbilis @ Apr 25 2020, 02:44 PM)
Hmmm I have always wondered why some agents ask us to buy medical insurance early to protect against escalating medical fees. Seems like there is no way to get a product that features fixed cost of insurance, guaranteed renewal, and no portfolio withdrawal clause
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my client around 70 years old has been renewing medical card with me for more than 10 years. His premium is about 3.5k /year still reasonable as the premiums didn't increase much compared to 10 years ago not like 10x increase as feared. He told me he didn't have medical when younger back then medical costs was still not as crazy inflated. But nearing 60, he didn't mind paying yearly in case anything happens to him as the now medical costs are financially catastrophic.
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QUOTE(farizmalek @ Apr 22 2020, 10:19 AM)
I am not sure if our insurance is ok or not.

Insurance: Prudential BSN Takaful Health Enrich Premier

Age taken: 38y (H&W), 10y (Dotter). Healthy and no illness at that time.

Now: 44y & 16y
Coverage per person: -

Age: Until 80y (If I am not mistaken)

Lifetime limit: RM4,080,000

Annual limit: RM200,000

Preferred Hospitals: Suite Room

Other Hospitals: Deluxe/Single room. Need to pay RM300 as a deposit before warded. Will get back the money from PBSN.

Warded Allowance per day: RM200

Treatments/Clinic: 90 days after warded. Pay first and claims later to PBSN

Death/Disability/Critical Illness: Will get only about RM10K. This insurance covered more on the medical only.

However, if husdand or wife is contacted with the 36 critical illness automatically both premiums will be waived by PBSN for life and no need to pay premium for dotter until she is 21 or 25 years old (Can’t remember).

If dotter is contacted with the 36 critical illness, automatically dotter premium will be waived for life by PBSN. Not sure if premiums for H&W will be waived too. Need to check later.
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Hi fariz,
My client same age as you 44yo
He purchase from me
Annual limit: RM 2,200,000
Lifetime limit: Nil
R&B : 400
Overseas Treatment : RM 1,000,000

Premium : RM 1,821 per annum


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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Apr 25 2020, 10:28 AM)
The premium you have saved won't be much considering you will be paying much more once you get older, whatever you have assume to "save" during the 25 period from 30 to 55 years old may be marginal against being diagnosed with any illnesses in between.

The insurance cost difference yearly of a 30 year old and 55 year old is probably about RM1000?

Again, Insurance is managing your own risk. If you think the next 25 years, nothing will happen to you. Then so be it.
Hi Fariz, from your more elaborated explanation, your medical coverage will be sufficient for now, since you are able to get coverage from Government especially your wife is a government servant.

With the age of 44 now and a sum of money in KWSP and ASNB, it will continue to snowball for you to a bigger sum in the future to cover your retirement and medical expenses (should any illnesses arise).

You can consider to look into building a legacy for your family should anything happen to you earlier.
There is no such thing unfortunately as medical expenses is a big variable cost to the insurance company.

It's like telling a wan tan mee seller to fix their price at RM5 in 2020 until year 2100 for the same portion. Would you think it's logical ?
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QUOTE(ahwai @ Apr 25 2020, 07:31 PM)
Hi fariz,
My client same age as you 44yo
He purchase from me
Annual limit: RM 2,200,000
Lifetime limit: Nil
R&B : 400
Overseas Treatment : RM 1,000,000

Premium : RM 1,821 per annum
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Thank you. Maybe I will take for my dotter and wife since I already have illness.. Please pm me for further details.
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Anyone know if this is even possible? Let say currently i am on AIA. The coverage is RM1.1mil and room&board is rm150(which I think this is a lil bit bothers me everytime i need to hospitalized, have to wait for room, else they will assign me to shared room.

And face amount is 40k

Paying rm380+ month

Is that possible if i get a better policy with AIA, without having to do a full body check up again?
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QUOTE(alfredhow78 @ Apr 28 2020, 12:15 PM)
Anyone know if this is even possible? Let say currently i am on AIA. The coverage is RM1.1mil and room&board is rm150(which I think this is a lil bit bothers me everytime i need to hospitalized, have to wait for room, else they will assign me to shared room.

And face amount is 40k

Paying rm380+ month

Is that possible if i get a better policy with AIA, without having to do a full body check up again?
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Unless you have health problem, otherwise you are not required to do a medical check up.
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Hello, I’m new to the forum and need advice with the insurances I currently have. I would like to apologize in advance if my questions are very dumb. 🙏🏼

I have AIA Lifelink 2 and it comes with a medical card, these are the details:

A-LIFELINK 2
Coverage Amount: RM 100,000.00
Effective date: 17-DEC-2018
Expiry date: 17-DEC-2094
Premium: RM 200.00
Premium cease date: 17-DEC-2094

And then I bought another life insurance, the PB WealthElite:

PB WEALTHELITE 20PAY@70
Coverage Amount: RM 500,000.00
Effective date:24-JUN-2019
Expiry date: 24-JUN-2064
Premium:RM 266.25
Premium cease date: 24-JUN-2039

I’m a freelance translator and the company I worked with has terminated all translation work yesterday. I’m still in shock right now because that was my sole income. Right now, I would to have some money in my bank account in case of emergencies, so I’m thinking of cancelling the PB WealthElite. I’m not sure when this pandemic will be over and when I will have a proper job, so I would like to know if it is alright to cancel it or not, since I already have AIA Lifelink? I think both insurances have similar coverage (correct me if I’m wrong 🙏🏼), just that the coverage amount for PB WealthElite is higher. I need advice hahahah thank you! 😭

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QUOTE(mackerelisgreat @ Apr 28 2020, 01:46 PM)
Hello, I’m new to the forum and need advice with the insurances I currently have. I would like to apologize in advance if my questions are very dumb. 🙏🏼

I have AIA Lifelink 2 and it comes with a medical card, these are the details:

A-LIFELINK 2
Coverage Amount: RM 100,000.00
Effective date: 17-DEC-2018
Expiry date: 17-DEC-2094
Premium: RM 200.00
Premium cease date: 17-DEC-2094

And then I bought another life insurance, the PB WealthElite:

PB WEALTHELITE 20PAY@70
Coverage Amount: RM 500,000.00
Effective date:24-JUN-2019
Expiry date: 24-JUN-2064
Premium:RM 266.25
Premium cease date: 24-JUN-2039

I’m a freelance translator and the company I worked with has terminated all translation work yesterday. I’m still in shock right now because that was my sole income. Right now, I would to have some money in my bank account in case of emergencies, so I’m thinking of cancelling the PB WealthElite. I’m not sure when this pandemic will be over and when I will have a proper job, so I would like to know if it is alright to cancel it or not, since I already have AIA Lifelink? I think both insurances have similar coverage (correct me if I’m wrong 🙏🏼), just that the coverage amount for PB WealthElite is higher. I need advice hahahah thank you! 😭
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Anyone know if this is even possible? Let say currently i am on AIA. The coverage is RM1.1mil and room&board is rm150(which I think this is a lil bit bothers me everytime i need to hospitalized, have to wait for room, else they will assign me to shared room.

And face amount is 40k

Paying rm380+ month

Is that possible if i get a better policy with AIA, without having to do a full body check up again?
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We can review to enhance your current policy. Medical check up would be subject to current health conditions.
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QUOTE(mackerelisgreat @ Apr 28 2020, 01:46 PM)
Hello, I’m new to the forum and need advice with the insurances I currently have. I would like to apologize in advance if my questions are very dumb. 🙏🏼

I have AIA Lifelink 2 and it comes with a medical card, these are the details:

A-LIFELINK 2
Coverage Amount: RM 100,000.00
Effective date: 17-DEC-2018
Expiry date: 17-DEC-2094
Premium: RM 200.00
Premium cease date: 17-DEC-2094

And then I bought another life insurance, the PB WealthElite:

PB WEALTHELITE 20PAY@70
Coverage Amount: RM 500,000.00
Effective date:24-JUN-2019
Expiry date: 24-JUN-2064
Premium:RM 266.25
Premium cease date: 24-JUN-2039

I’m a freelance translator and the company I worked with has terminated all translation work yesterday. I’m still in shock right now because that was my sole income. Right now, I would to have some money in my bank account in case of emergencies, so I’m thinking of cancelling the PB WealthElite. I’m not sure when this pandemic will be over and when I will have a proper job, so I would like to know if it is alright to cancel it or not, since I already have AIA Lifelink? I think both insurances have similar coverage (correct me if I’m wrong 🙏🏼), just that the coverage amount for PB WealthElite is higher. I need advice hahahah thank you! 😭
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On face value, PB Wealth Elite has higher coverage with only a slightly higher premium and would worth considering to retain compared to AIA with a lower coverage. Other terms of the policies should also be considered. It's also important to maintain a medical card, especially now.

As mentioned in the above post, consider partial withdraw to resolve your cash flow issues. There would be some options if we look deeper, with terminating any policy a last option.


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hi alfred, what's your age btw? for your current policy, when did you buy it? of course you can get a better policy with AIA, so long you have no pre-existing illness.

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hi mackerelisgreat, sorry to hear what you are going through. indeed tough times for most people. the 2 policies that you have right now, for me, i will always retain the one with medical card. as for PB WEALTHELITE, if there is financial difficulty at your side, you can temporary stopped premium payment first. based on your situation (freelancer), it is a bit difficult to apply for premium deferment. also your PB WEALTHELITE policy is kinda new, i doubt the cash value in the plan has 2.9k (can you check the available cash value inside?).

For the cash in your bank account and FD, how long can it sustain you (assuming you continue pay both premium)? maybe I can guide you from here.
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QUOTE(ckdenion @ Apr 29 2020, 12:23 AM)

hi mackerelisgreat, sorry to hear what you are going through. indeed tough times for most people. the 2 policies that you have right now, for me, i will always retain the one with medical card. as for PB WEALTHELITE, if there is financial difficulty at your side, you can temporary stopped premium payment first. based on your situation (freelancer), it is a bit difficult to apply for premium deferment. also your PB WEALTHELITE policy is kinda new, i doubt the cash value in the plan has 2.9k (can you check the available cash value inside?).

For the cash in your bank account and FD, how long can it sustain you (assuming you continue pay both premium)? maybe I can guide you from here.
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Hi, I went to my AIA profile and found this. Is this my cash value for PB Wealth Elite? If it is, it’s not a lot.

https://pictr.com/images/2020/04/29/53InAD.md.jpg

If I continue to pay both premiums without taking any freelance jobs, I can last till August/September. I live with my parents so my cost of living is not that high, so that’s why I can live by just doing freelance work. May I ask why it’s difficult for a freelancer like me to apply for premium deferment?
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QUOTE(mackerelisgreat @ Apr 28 2020, 01:46 PM)
Hello, I’m new to the forum and need advice with the insurances I currently have. I would like to apologize in advance if my questions are very dumb. 🙏🏼

I have AIA Lifelink 2 and it comes with a medical card, these are the details:

A-LIFELINK 2
Coverage Amount: RM 100,000.00
Effective date: 17-DEC-2018
Expiry date: 17-DEC-2094
Premium: RM 200.00
Premium cease date: 17-DEC-2094

And then I bought another life insurance, the PB WealthElite:

PB WEALTHELITE 20PAY@70
Coverage Amount: RM 500,000.00
Effective date:24-JUN-2019
Expiry date: 24-JUN-2064
Premium:RM 266.25
Premium cease date: 24-JUN-2039

I’m a freelance translator and the company I worked with has terminated all translation work yesterday. I’m still in shock right now because that was my sole income. Right now, I would to have some money in my bank account in case of emergencies, so I’m thinking of cancelling the PB WealthElite. I’m not sure when this pandemic will be over and when I will have a proper job, so I would like to know if it is alright to cancel it or not, since I already have AIA Lifelink? I think both insurances have similar coverage (correct me if I’m wrong 🙏🏼), just that the coverage amount for PB WealthElite is higher. I need advice hahahah thank you! 😭
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Like other suggest, try your best to keep the one with medical card.
Even if need to ask from family support ..if they affordable. Because the cost of hospitalization is high. Illness and accident are not predictable. Some more got covid19 extra benefit.

Mind to share your age and what kind of freelance job you in? Car / housing loan?
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QUOTE(tyenfei @ Apr 29 2020, 07:36 AM)
Like other suggest, try your best to keep the one with medical card.
Even if need to ask from family support ..if they affordable. Because the cost of hospitalization is high. Illness and accident are not predictable. Some more got covid19 extra benefit.

Mind to share your age and what kind of freelance job you in? Car / housing loan?
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Hi, I’m a freelance translator and have been in the industry for four years. Right now none of the companies I’m working with have projects to give to us translators. The economy is really awful right now. sad.gif No loans whatsoever. I’m really lucky to be living with my parents right now!
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QUOTE(mackerelisgreat @ Apr 29 2020, 06:33 AM)
Hi, I went to my AIA profile and found this. Is this my cash value for PB Wealth Elite? If it is, it’s not a lot.

If I continue to pay both premiums without taking any freelance jobs, I can last till August/September. I live with my parents so my cost of living is not that high, so that’s why I can live by just doing freelance work. May I ask why it’s difficult for a freelancer like me to apply for premium deferment?
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hi mack (hope you dont mind I call you that), yea that is the cash value. if you cancel it that is the amount that you will get end of the day. means your emergency fund can sustain you 4-5 months. what if you stop paying the PB WEALTHELITE premium?

it's difficult for you to apply for deferment because you need an official letter from the company stating that there is pay cut/job retrenchment. since you are a freelancer (do you have a company set up? if yes can try using your own company, just to try la even though i cant guarantee will that work), you are not under employed, that's why no company can issue you a letter to notify pay cut/retrenchment.

This post has been edited by ckdenion: Apr 29 2020, 04:12 PM
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Hi, I went to my AIA profile and found this. Is this my cash value for PB Wealth Elite? If it is, it’s not a lot.
<a href='https://pictr.com/images/2020/04/29/53InAD.md.jpg' target='_blank'>https://pictr.com/images/2020/04/29/53InAD.md.jpg </a>
If I continue to pay both premiums without taking any freelance jobs, I can last till August/September. I live with my parents so my cost of living is not that high, so that’s why I can live by just doing freelance work. May I ask why it’s difficult for a freelancer like me to apply for premium deferment?
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You can apply for premium deferment as what ckdenion has mentioned.

You can also check with your service provider what happens if you decide to stop paying the premium for 3 months.

- Will they sustain your coverage and use your cash value for the Cost of Insurance?

- Will they inform you prior to terminating your policy?

Check your policies terms and conditions and confirm them with your insurance provider.

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Hi all.

Can I know whether the COI is same or not between standalone and ILP in same company? I heard that COI of standalone is higher than ILP.

Let say for example for 30 years old male non smoker for 500k term life compared to 500k life ILP plain plan with no other riders. The premium for sure will be different but I eager to know their COI is same or not each year.

And whether it also same if compared between online products and tru agents.

Thanks!
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QUOTE(kazekage_09 @ Apr 29 2020, 12:25 PM)
Hi all.

Can I know whether the COI is same or not between standalone and ILP in same company? I heard that COI of standalone is higher than ILP.

Let say for example for 30 years old male non smoker for 500k term life compared to 500k life ILP plain plan with no other riders. The premium for sure will be different but I eager to know their COI is same or not each year.

And whether it also same if compared between online products and tru agents.

Thanks!
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No its not the same.
Standalone is higher than ILP across all insurers, COI wise.

I believe only term products are available online.

What you can do is get a quote online, and from the quote, pull out the schedule where you have a projected premiums year-on-year.
In the same schedule, you should be able to pull out all the necessary info such as COI and surrender value (if any).
Then what you need to calculate, calculate lah.
Finally, you can compare it with a quote from your agent.
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QUOTE(kazekage_09 @ Apr 29 2020, 12:25 PM)
Hi all.

Can I know whether the COI is same or not between standalone and ILP in same company? I heard that COI of standalone is higher than ILP.

Let say for example for 30 years old male non smoker for 500k term life compared to 500k life ILP plain plan with no other riders. The premium for sure will be different but I eager to know their COI is same or not each year.

And whether it also same if compared between online products and tru agents.

Thanks!
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In the long run, standalone is definitely more expensive than ILP because standalone medical card increase premium every 5 years according to age band.

Depending on the length of coverage and design of the policy, ILP can be more affordable than term insurance in certain cases. It also depends on the fund performance selected. Also, term insurance usually will only cover until age 80 maximum whereas certain ILP can be extended for lifetime. The cash value in ILP can be withdrawn in the event of emergencies as well.

Most online products are limited to term insurance because term insurance is much more simpler in design.
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QUOTE(kazekage_09 @ Apr 29 2020, 12:25 PM)
Hi all.

Can I know whether the COI is same or not between standalone and ILP in same company? I heard that COI of standalone is higher than ILP.

Let say for example for 30 years old male non smoker for 500k term life compared to 500k life ILP plain plan with no other riders. The premium for sure will be different but I eager to know their COI is same or not each year.

And whether it also same if compared between online products and tru agents.

Thanks!
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hi kazekage_09, if you compare the COI stated in the brochures, you will definitely see the difference (even though the standalone medical card and the medical card rider benefit is exactly the same). I think mainly because when you see the COI for standalone, it is a lump sum of agent commission + policy fee + medical card COI. so yea, this is just what I'd observed la.
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hello,

anyone from Prudential here?
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Anyone know if this is even possible? Let say currently i am on AIA. The coverage is RM1.1mil and room&board is rm150(which I think this is a lil bit bothers me everytime i need to hospitalized, have to wait for room, else they will assign me to shared room.

And face amount is 40k

Paying rm380+ month

Is that possible if i get a better policy with AIA, without having to do a full body check up again?
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Although u are buying a RM150-Room (twin sharing room in most hospital in Malaysia), u still can stay above Rm150-room just u need to pay the room different e.g stay in a RM250 room then u need to pay the addition of RM100/day. But do check back your policy, some upgrade of room need to pay 20% co-insurance. read back to the policy T&C.
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QUOTE(Ewa Wa @ Apr 29 2020, 09:33 PM)
Although u are buying a RM150-Room (twin sharing room in most hospital in Malaysia), u still can stay above Rm150-room just u need to pay the room different e.g stay in a RM250 room then u need to pay the addition of RM100/day. But do check back your policy, some upgrade of room need to pay 20% co-insurance. read back to the policy T&C.
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hello,

anyone from Prudential here?
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hello,

anyone from Prudential here?
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anyone with Great Eastern here, I have a 10 year old medical plan which i would like to cancel. My agent is no longer in the industry so am wondering who i can deal with for this
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QUOTE(db07mufan @ Apr 30 2020, 10:14 PM)
anyone with Great Eastern here, I have a 10 year old medical plan which i would like to cancel. My agent is no longer in the industry so am wondering who i can deal with for this
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Generally, if you call GE Customer Service, I believe they can guide you step by step how to proceed to cancel your medical plan. But if you can share with us, why are you cancelling the medical plan?
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QUOTE(db07mufan @ Apr 30 2020, 10:14 PM)
anyone with Great Eastern here, I have a 10 year old medical plan which i would like to cancel. My agent is no longer in the industry so am wondering who i can deal with for this
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Hi db07mufan, I'm from Great Eastern and I might be able to assist you in this matter. You will need to fill up a surrender form if your policy is an investment linked plan. If it's standalone, you just have to stop payment and the policy will lapse on its own since there is no cash value.
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QUOTE(db07mufan @ Apr 30 2020, 10:14 PM)
anyone with Great Eastern here, I have a 10 year old medical plan which i would like to cancel. My agent is no longer in the industry so am wondering who i can deal with for this
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me too. My agent was my uncle last time. He passed away.
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me too. My agent was my uncle last time. He passed away.
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You may write a letter to GE requesting for a service transfer to another agent who is willing to do the service for you. Usually for investment-linked plans, we usually don't advise clients to lapse the policy.
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QUOTE(db07mufan @ Apr 30 2020, 10:14 PM)
anyone with Great Eastern here, I have a 10 year old medical plan which i would like to cancel. My agent is no longer in the industry so am wondering who i can deal with for this
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hi db07mufan, your medical plan is a standalone medical or ILP?
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RM250 monthly
Benefits Payout
1 Life/TPD-100K
2 Critical Illness-150K
3 Early Critical Illness-100K
4 Diabetes Recovery-20K
5 Cancer Recovery-35K
Hospitalization & Surgical (Med Card
6 Room-150 daily
7 Annual Limit-850K
8 Lifetime Limit-Unlimited
Others Benefits
9 Waiver-Yes (in the event diagnose with CI, premium will be waive but still continue to enjoy the benefits)
10 Savings/Cash Value-Yes

Hi , above plan for single male - 30 years old should be ok right
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RM250 monthly
Benefits Payout
1 Life/TPD-100K
2 Critical Illness-150K
3 Early Critical Illness-100K
4 Diabetes Recovery-20K
5 Cancer Recovery-35K
Hospitalization & Surgical (Med Card
6 Room-150 daily
7 Annual Limit-850K
8 Lifetime Limit-Unlimited
Others Benefits
9 Waiver-Yes (in the event diagnose with CI, premium will be waive but still continue to enjoy the benefits)
10 Savings/Cash Value-Yes

Hi , above plan for single male - 30 years old should be ok right
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Looks good to me. Some additional factors to consider is the sustainability of the policy and whether the amount of life and critical illness is shared together which is usually the norm.
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QUOTE(GE-DavidK @ May 1 2020, 08:26 PM)
Looks good to me. Some additional factors to consider is the sustainability of the policy and whether the amount of life and critical illness is shared together which is usually the norm.
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thanks for your comment , will check thumbsup.gif
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Hi all,

I'm currently 28. Class 1 job. Non-smoker.

I only have MP Generali health insurance from my employer.
I searched around and sieved through what I found interesting and ended up with these two.

1. AIA A-Plus Health
2. Allianz Medisafe

I wonder can I get a good enough ILP for below RM180?
So far from my understanding, standalone packages tend to be more expensive along the years that is why I'm leaning towards ILP.
I have not engaged with an agent yet. Thought of getting some opinion in Lyn first.




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QUOTE(Chyan @ May 1 2020, 09:44 PM)
Hi all,

I'm currently 28. Class 1 job. Non-smoker.

I only have MP Generali health insurance from my employer.
I searched around and sieved through what I found interesting and ended up with these two.

1. AIA A-Plus Health
2. Allianz Medisafe

I wonder can I get a good enough ILP for below RM180?
So far from my understanding, standalone packages tend to be more expensive along the years that is why I'm leaning towards ILP.
I have not engaged with an agent yet. Thought of getting some opinion in Lyn first.
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Possible for Allianz cool2.gif
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QUOTE(MiKE7LIM @ May 1 2020, 08:09 PM)
RM250 monthly
Benefits Payout
1 Life/TPD-100K
2 Critical Illness-150K
3 Early Critical Illness-100K
4 Diabetes Recovery-20K
5 Cancer Recovery-35K
Hospitalization & Surgical (Med Card
6 Room-150 daily
7 Annual Limit-850K
8 Lifetime Limit-Unlimited
Others Benefits
9 Waiver-Yes (in the event diagnose with CI, premium will be waive but still continue to enjoy the benefits)
10 Savings/Cash Value-Yes

Hi , above plan for single male - 30 years old should be ok right
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If it fulfills your insurance requirement then yes it's sufficient.

Good choice choosing Allianz.

Just a reminder, ILP cash value shouldn't be part of your savings/investment allocation, it's for the sustainability of the policy.

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QUOTE(Chyan @ May 1 2020, 09:44 PM)
Hi all,

I'm currently 28. Class 1 job. Non-smoker.

I only have MP Generali health insurance from my employer.
I searched around and sieved through what I found interesting and ended up with these two.

1. AIA A-Plus Health
2. Allianz Medisafe

I wonder can I get a good enough ILP for below RM180?
So far from my understanding, standalone packages tend to be more expensive along the years that is why I'm leaning towards ILP.
I have not engaged with an agent yet. Thought of getting some opinion in Lyn first.
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AIA A-Plus Health would be within your range too.
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QUOTE(Chyan @ May 1 2020, 09:44 PM)
Hi all,

I'm currently 28. Class 1 job. Non-smoker.

I only have MP Generali health insurance from my employer.
I searched around and sieved through what I found interesting and ended up with these two.

1. AIA A-Plus Health
2. Allianz Medisafe

I wonder can I get a good enough ILP for below RM180?
So far from my understanding, standalone packages tend to be more expensive along the years that is why I'm leaning towards ILP.
I have not engaged with an agent yet. Thought of getting some opinion in Lyn first.
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You can consider Great Eastern's SmartProtect Essential 3 as well. When choosing ILP, you have to consider about the sustainability of the plan because the cash value is used to offset the rising insurance charges in the future. Also ensure that waiver rider is included in the policy.
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QUOTE(MiKE7LIM @ May 1 2020, 08:09 PM)
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hi MiKE7LIM, with RM250 monthly premium, the benefit is considered good. thumbsup.gif

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hi Chyan, with RM180/month, most likely the plan will be more focused on medical card. life and critical illness benefit will not be a lot. at least it is something good to start with. wink.gif
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AIA Medical Insurance A-Plus Health (Deductible)

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# of Panel Hospitals
82

Maximum age of entry
70

Maximum age of renewal
99

Guaranteed Renewal - Yes

Co-Insurance - No

Deductibles Apply - Yes

Can anyone advise the pro and cons if taking this AIA insurance. Thanks
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QUOTE(kazekage_09 @ Apr 29 2020, 12:25 PM)
Hi all.

Can I know whether the COI is same or not between standalone and ILP in same company? I heard that COI of standalone is higher than ILP.

Let say for example for 30 years old male non smoker for 500k term life compared to 500k life ILP plain plan with no other riders. The premium for sure will be different but I eager to know their COI is same or not each year.

And whether it also same if compared between online products and tru agents.

Thanks!
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The COI varies from different companies depending on the medical card benefits, the best way to compare is to look into the COI table provided by the insurance company.

QUOTE(db07mufan @ Apr 30 2020, 10:14 PM)
anyone with Great Eastern here, I have a 10 year old medical plan which i would like to cancel. My agent is no longer in the industry so am wondering who i can deal with for this
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You can walk in to GE or give them a call to find out how you can surrender during the MCO

QUOTE(farizmalek @ May 1 2020, 11:59 AM)
me too. My agent was my uncle last time. He passed away.
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Same as above

QUOTE(MiKE7LIM @ May 1 2020, 08:09 PM)
RM250 monthly
Benefits Payout
1 Life/TPD-100K
2 Critical Illness-150K
3 Early Critical Illness-100K
4 Diabetes Recovery-20K
5 Cancer Recovery-35K
Hospitalization & Surgical (Med Card
6 Room-150 daily
7 Annual Limit-850K
8 Lifetime Limit-Unlimited
Others Benefits
9 Waiver-Yes (in the event diagnose with CI, premium will be waive but still continue to enjoy the benefits)
10 Savings/Cash Value-Yes

Hi , above plan for single male - 30 years old should be ok right
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Hi, the plan looks okay

QUOTE(Chyan @ May 1 2020, 09:44 PM)
Hi all,

I'm currently 28. Class 1 job. Non-smoker.

I only have MP Generali health insurance from my employer.
I searched around and sieved through what I found interesting and ended up with these two.

1. AIA A-Plus Health
2. Allianz Medisafe

I wonder can I get a good enough ILP for below RM180?
So far from my understanding, standalone packages tend to be more expensive along the years that is why I'm leaning towards ILP.
I have not engaged with an agent yet. Thought of getting some opinion in Lyn first.
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Hi

ILP plan may look cheaper because of the investment return over the long term compared to a stand-alone but is not necessarily cheaper.

Based on the above mentioned age, you can get it within RM180 but the term of coverage may be shorter
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QUOTE(farizmalek @ May 2 2020, 12:12 AM)
AIA Medical Insurance A-Plus Health (Deductible)

Eligibility
Malaysian and Permanent Resident of Malaysia

# of Panel Hospitals
82

Maximum age of entry
70

Maximum age of renewal
99

Guaranteed Renewal - Yes

Co-Insurance - No

Deductibles Apply - Yes

Can anyone advise the pro and cons if taking this AIA insurance. Thanks
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Plans from AIA are good so far, the coverage are quite comprehensive although cost of insurance maybe on a higher side.

What will be your main concern ?
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hi fariz, you are looking at their latest medical plan which comes with many other perks if you sign up for AIA Vitality as well. wink.gif
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Plans from AIA are good so far, the coverage are quite comprehensive although cost of insurance maybe on a higher side.

What will be your main concern ?
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I am looking to change my wife and dotter medical insurance. Their are still healty. Me cannot already. WHat is deductible?
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Plans from AIA are good so far, the coverage are quite comprehensive although cost of insurance maybe on a higher side.

What will be your main concern ?
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and my concern is whether this will be a good medical card compare to others and any hidden disadvantages that I should know about. Thanks
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hi fariz, you are looking at their latest medical plan which comes with many other perks if you sign up for AIA Vitality as well. wink.gif
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i am looking for cheap but good coverage medical card.
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QUOTE(farizmalek @ May 2 2020, 03:42 PM)
I am looking to change my wife and dotter medical insurance. Their are still healty. Me cannot already. WHat is deductible?
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A deductible is a fixed cost that you share with the insurance company in the event of a claim, depending on the amount of deductible that you opted, you need to pay that amount first and the balance is paid by the insurance company.

QUOTE(farizmalek @ May 2 2020, 03:44 PM)
and my concern is whether this will be a good medical card compare to others and any hidden disadvantages that I should know about. Thanks
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Major disadvantage I don’t think so with the newer medical cards, though they have different benefits offered for outpatient.

My advise is for you scout around if you would like to know the pros and cons or seek a independent financial advisor that does not side with any insurance company to give you the best solution.
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QUOTE(lifebalance @ May 2 2020, 03:47 PM)
A deductible is a fixed cost that you share with the insurance company in the event of a claim, depending on the amount of deductible that you opted, you need to pay that amount first and the balance is paid by the insurance company.
Major disadvantage I don’t think so with the newer medical cards, though they have different benefits offered for outpatient.

My advise is for you scout around if you would like to know the pros and cons or seek a independent financial advisor that does not side with any insurance company to give you the best solution.
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alright thank you Tuan
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Hi,

I'm 32yo. Airline pilot.

Looking for a good insurance plan. Leaning towards AIA. Medical card and maybe life insurance.

I used to have one with AIA 9 years ago. The sale pitch by the agent was it was a 'Loss of licence' policy. But actually there's no such thing. It says on my policy booklet, the plan is : AIA Assurance Account. If i'm not mistaken it is under 'occupational' policy or something like that I really don't remember. It was also an ILP. I cancelled it years ago. An agent tried to sell me the same policy, but i'm a bit wiser now, so i asked to show where it says 'loss of licence', well it doesn't. I don't think it is right to sell something when it is not what you say it is, even when it is similar.

My company does cover me for permanent loss of licence, hospitalization and also death. But the amounts are not that high. So thinking of additional insurance.

Okay so now for me personally I don't mix insurance with investment. Can anyone suggest any policy that i can read up on? Medical card and life insurance. Preferably AIA.

And also is it true when people say you should get either a life insurance OR an MLTA but not both?

Thank you in advance.

This post has been edited by afif737: May 2 2020, 09:31 PM
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QUOTE(afif737 @ May 2 2020, 09:29 PM)
Hi,

I'm 32yo. Airline pilot.

Looking for a good insurance plan. Leaning towards AIA. Medical card and maybe life insurance.

I used to have one with AIA 9 years ago. The sale pitch by the agent was it was a 'Loss of licence' policy. But actually there's no such thing. It says on my policy booklet, the plan is : AIA Assurance Account. If i'm not mistaken it is under 'occupational' policy or something like that I really don't remember. It was also an ILP. I cancelled it years ago. An agent tried to sell me the same policy, but i'm a bit wiser now, so i asked to show where it says 'loss of licence', well it doesn't. I don't think it is right to sell something when it is not what you say it is, even when it is similar.

My company does cover me for permanent loss of licence, hospitalization and also death. But the amounts are not that high. So thinking of additional insurance.

Okay so now for me personally I don't mix insurance with investment. Can anyone suggest any policy that i can read up on? Medical card and life insurance. Preferably AIA.

And also is it true when people say you should get either a life insurance OR an MLTA but not both?

Thank you in advance.
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Medical card with ILP generally comes with life insurance and critical illness coverage. Loss of license means provide coverage for pilots alone. For medical card/life insurance nowadays, any permanent disability or critical illness regardless of your occupation will be covered as well.

On whether mixing insurance with investment in ILP, you can do so by maximising the insurance coverage but the sustainability of the policy will be short. The investment/cash value is used to pay for the rising insurance charges in the future. If you are planning to get insurance for long term (i.e. coverage until age 80), you are still better off getting an ILP instead of term insurance/stand alone because ILP will be cheaper than term insurance.

MLTA is a type of mortgage life insurance which is a type of insurance to protect against the house loan you signed up for. Whereas for life insurance it is used to provide peace of mind and reduce financial loss or hardship faced by your family if you passed away.

In a person's lifetime, it is common to have multiple life insurances running at the same time. Different people have different needs and how much they want to leave behind for their family. So, how much life insurance you need is dependent on you.
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QUOTE(farizmalek @ May 2 2020, 03:45 PM)
i am looking for cheap but good coverage medical card.
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hi fariz, if you are comparing COI, cheaper ones are Prudential, GE and HLA. For AIA, Allianz and Manulife, the COI is slightly higher but of course the benefits differs too.

QUOTE(afif737 @ May 2 2020, 09:29 PM)
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hi afif, i'd never heard of 'loss of license' policy. for AIA latest medical card, you can actually find it on google.

as of life insurance, it will be more on risk management planning based on your current lifestyle and needs. (MLTA is actually life insurance termed as MLTA)
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QUOTE(ckdenion @ May 3 2020, 10:17 AM)
hi fariz, if you are comparing COI, cheaper ones are Prudential, GE and HLA. For AIA, Allianz and Manulife, the COI is slightly higher but of course the benefits differs too.
hi afif, i'd never heard of 'loss of license' policy. for AIA latest medical card, you can actually find it on google.

as of life insurance, it will be more on risk management planning based on your current lifestyle and needs. (MLTA is actually life insurance termed as MLTA)
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thank you bang
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QUOTE(GE-DavidK @ May 3 2020, 12:37 AM)
Medical card with ILP generally comes with life insurance and critical illness coverage. Loss of license means provide coverage for pilots alone. For medical card/life insurance nowadays, any permanent disability or critical illness regardless of your occupation will be covered as well.

On whether mixing insurance with investment in ILP, you can do so by maximising the insurance coverage but the sustainability of the policy will be short. The investment/cash value is used to pay for the rising insurance charges in the future. If you are planning to get insurance for long term (i.e. coverage until age 80), you are still better off getting an ILP instead of term insurance/stand alone because ILP will be cheaper than term insurance.

MLTA is a type of mortgage life insurance which is a type of insurance to protect against the house loan you signed up for. Whereas for life insurance it is used to provide peace of mind and reduce financial loss or hardship faced by your family if you passed away.

In a person's lifetime, it is common to have multiple life insurances running at the same time. Different people have different needs and how much they want to leave behind for their family. So, how much life insurance you need is dependent on you.
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Thank you for your reply. The bolded part, it's quite difficult to say because if we lose our licence for example bcoz of a critical illness like diabetes, we won't be able to fly but we can still work elsewhere. but since we fall back to our spm bcoz we lost our licence,its gonna be hard to find a job. So an agent explained to me, in that case the insurance company will not pay up because we can still work elsewhere.

QUOTE(ckdenion @ May 3 2020, 10:17 AM)
hi fariz, if you are comparing COI, cheaper ones are Prudential, GE and HLA. For AIA, Allianz and Manulife, the COI is slightly higher but of course the benefits differs too.
hi afif, i'd never heard of 'loss of license' policy. for AIA latest medical card, you can actually find it on google.

as of life insurance, it will be more on risk management planning based on your current lifestyle and needs. (MLTA is actually life insurance termed as MLTA)
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Hi. You've never heard of loss of licence because it is only offered by airlines. So as far as i know, no insurance company offers it. But some agents try to sell their product using this term which i think is wrong. I was young and ignorant when i got the policy 9 years ago. A few associations outside Malaysia do offer loss of licence. This is why I'm only looking for a medical card and life insurance.

There was a friend who told me that his life insurance coverage is RM1 mil+ and he's only paying like RM2000+ a year for it. I forgot to ask him from which company and i honestly don't know anything else about it other than those figures. Is it plausible to have that kind of coverage at that price?
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QUOTE(farizmalek @ May 2 2020, 12:12 AM)
AIA Medical Insurance A-Plus Health (Deductible)

Eligibility
Malaysian and Permanent Resident of Malaysia

# of Panel Hospitals
82

Maximum age of entry
70

Maximum age of renewal
99

Guaranteed Renewal - Yes

Co-Insurance - No

Deductibles Apply - Yes

Can anyone advise the pro and cons if taking this AIA insurance. Thanks
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Do read up on the Health Wallet and how Vitality can add value to your AIA Medical Plan.

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QUOTE(afif737 @ May 4 2020, 03:23 AM)
Thank you for your reply. The bolded part, it's quite difficult to say because if we lose our licence for example bcoz of a critical illness like diabetes, we won't be able to fly but we can still work elsewhere. but since we fall back to our spm bcoz we lost our licence,its gonna be hard to find a job. So an agent explained to me, in that case the insurance company will not pay up because we can still work elsewhere.
Hi. You've never heard of loss of licence because it is only offered by airlines. So as far as i know, no insurance company offers it. But some agents try to sell their product using this term which i think is wrong. I was young and ignorant when i got the policy 9 years ago. A few associations outside Malaysia do offer loss of licence. This is why I'm only looking for a medical card and life insurance.

There was a friend who told me that his life insurance coverage is RM1 mil+ and he's only paying like RM2000+ a year for it. I forgot to ask him from which company and i honestly don't know anything else about it other than those figures. Is it plausible to have that kind of coverage at that price?
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They are restrictions based on nature of work due to the inherent risk of the job, that certain plans are offered with higher premium or declined but there would be specific policies that cater to certain industries.

There are various options to keep a premium affordable for high coverage.
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QUOTE(Cyclopes @ May 4 2020, 05:33 AM)
Do read up on the Health Wallet and how Vitality can add value to your AIA Medical Plan.
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Thank you
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https://www.aia.com.my/content/dam/my/en/do...rochure_1st.pdf

Is this insurance ok?



one of the Q&A in the AIA website:-

06: WILL MY COST OF INSURANCE INCREASE
AS I GET OLDER?

As the Cost of Insurance for A-Plus Health is
deducted depending on your attained age, it will
increase as your age increases.


Is this mean that every year the premium will be increased as per the table below...

user posted image
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QUOTE(farizmalek @ May 4 2020, 07:11 AM)
https://www.aia.com.my/content/dam/my/en/do...rochure_1st.pdf

Is this insurance ok?
one of the Q&A in the AIA website:-

06: WILL MY COST OF INSURANCE INCREASE
AS I GET OLDER?

As the Cost of Insurance for A-Plus Health is
deducted depending on your attained age, it will
increase as your age increases.
Is this mean that every year the premium will be increased as per the table below...

user posted image
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Thank you and appreciate for any advise...
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QUOTE(farizmalek @ May 4 2020, 07:11 AM)
https://www.aia.com.my/content/dam/my/en/do...rochure_1st.pdf

Is this insurance ok?
one of the Q&A in the AIA website:-

06: WILL MY COST OF INSURANCE INCREASE
AS I GET OLDER?

As the Cost of Insurance for A-Plus Health is
deducted depending on your attained age, it will
increase as your age increases.
Is this mean that every year the premium will be increased as per the table below...

user posted image
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Good morning,

Yes, the cost of insurance will follow as per the table. The cost of insurance is not guaranteed. This is the current rate, any changes to these table, say three years from now, you will be charged the new rates with 3 months notice. That's the standard industry practice, same with other insurers also.

This post has been edited by Cyclopes: May 4 2020, 10:46 AM
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hi afif, in terms of "loss of license" insurance, i won't be able to shed more comments on that since i have never come across plans that cover that. for your friend's coverage, it's very depending on when he bought it, how many years the plan covers him for, is it a term or ilp, occupation, smoker/non smoker, etc. Can only share more if he is willing to tell you all the details and show you the plan. if you are really keen on how much plan you wanna get, just let me know. i can plan something for you but you are not obligated to buy/apply anything. wink.gif

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hi fariz, indeed Cost of Insurance (COI) will increase as one ages. COI is not equivalent to premium ya. when your payable premium + cash value is not able to cover the COI of the plan, then only insurance company will increase your premium.
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QUOTE(afif737 @ May 4 2020, 03:23 AM)
Thank you for your reply. The bolded part, it's quite difficult to say because if we lose our licence for example bcoz of a critical illness like diabetes, we won't be able to fly but we can still work elsewhere. but since we fall back to our spm bcoz we lost our licence,its gonna be hard to find a job. So an agent explained to me, in that case the insurance company will not pay up because we can still work elsewhere.
Hi. You've never heard of loss of licence because it is only offered by airlines. So as far as i know, no insurance company offers it. But some agents try to sell their product using this term which i think is wrong. I was young and ignorant when i got the policy 9 years ago. A few associations outside Malaysia do offer loss of licence. This is why I'm only looking for a medical card and life insurance.

There was a friend who told me that his life insurance coverage is RM1 mil+ and he's only paying like RM2000+ a year for it. I forgot to ask him from which company and i honestly don't know anything else about it other than those figures. Is it plausible to have that kind of coverage at that price?
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Diabetes does not count as a critical illness.

In another example, if one day you lose your pilot license because of cancer, insurance company will pay you for the critical illness lump sum. Whether you can work elsewhere or not after your recovery, insurance company will still pay you because it is based on the critical illness, not the occupation. For pilots, it is considered as occupation class 2 and this information need to be declared to the insurance company when you sign up for the life insurance policy.

It's not impossible to do RM 1 million coverage for annual premium of RM2000+. For your age, 1 million life coverage can be done with monthly premium of RM250.

This post has been edited by GE-DavidK: May 4 2020, 01:02 PM
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QUOTE(ckdenion @ May 4 2020, 10:28 AM)
hi afif, in terms of "loss of license" insurance, i won't be able to shed more comments on that since i have never come across plans that cover that. for your friend's coverage, it's very depending on when he bought it, how many years the plan covers him for, is it a term or ilp, occupation, smoker/non smoker, etc. Can only share more if he is willing to tell you all the details and show you the plan. if you are really keen on how much plan you wanna get, just let me know. i can plan something for you but you are not obligated to buy/apply anything. wink.gif
hi fariz, indeed Cost of Insurance (COI) will increase as one ages. COI is not equivalent to premium ya. when your payable premium + cash value is not able to cover the COI of the plan, then only insurance company will increase your premium.
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I never asked about loss of licence.

QUOTE(GE-DavidK @ May 4 2020, 12:59 PM)
Diabetes does not count as a critical illness.

In another example, if one day you lose your pilot license because of cancer, insurance company will pay you for the critical illness lump sum. Whether you can work elsewhere or not after your recovery, insurance company will still pay you because it is based on the critical illness, not the occupation. For pilots, it is considered as occupation class 2 and this information need to be declared to the insurance company when you sign up for the life insurance policy.

It's not impossible to do RM 1 million coverage for annual premium of RM2000+. For your age, 1 million life coverage can be done with monthly premium of RM250.
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Thank you for your clarification.
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QUOTE(afif737 @ May 2 2020, 09:29 PM)
Hi,

I'm 32yo. Airline pilot.

Looking for a good insurance plan. Leaning towards AIA. Medical card and maybe life insurance.

I used to have one with AIA 9 years ago. The sale pitch by the agent was it was a 'Loss of licence' policy. But actually there's no such thing. It says on my policy booklet, the plan is : AIA Assurance Account. If i'm not mistaken it is under 'occupational' policy or something like that I really don't remember. It was also an ILP. I cancelled it years ago. An agent tried to sell me the same policy, but i'm a bit wiser now, so i asked to show where it says 'loss of licence', well it doesn't. I don't think it is right to sell something when it is not what you say it is, even when it is similar.

My company does cover me for permanent loss of licence, hospitalization and also death. But the amounts are not that high. So thinking of additional insurance.

Okay so now for me personally I don't mix insurance with investment. Can anyone suggest any policy that i can read up on? Medical card and life insurance. Preferably AIA.

And also is it true when people say you should get either a life insurance OR an MLTA but not both?

Thank you in advance.
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I have yet to heard of such term.

To make it simple for you, insurance nowadays are sold as term insurance or as investment linked policies which insurance company will invest part of your insurance premium to cover future cost of insurance.

Of course you can still opt for term insurance if you do not want to partake in any investment but you will be subject to pay an increasing annual premium as you grow older.

Also, insurance company will put more restriction for term insurance as compared to investment link policies for financial and health checks.

QUOTE(afif737 @ May 4 2020, 03:23 AM)
Thank you for your reply. The bolded part, it's quite difficult to say because if we lose our licence for example bcoz of a critical illness like diabetes, we won't be able to fly but we can still work elsewhere. but since we fall back to our spm bcoz we lost our licence,its gonna be hard to find a job. So an agent explained to me, in that case the insurance company will not pay up because we can still work elsewhere.
Hi. You've never heard of loss of licence because it is only offered by airlines. So as far as i know, no insurance company offers it. But some agents try to sell their product using this term which i think is wrong. I was young and ignorant when i got the policy 9 years ago. A few associations outside Malaysia do offer loss of licence. This is why I'm only looking for a medical card and life insurance.

There was a friend who told me that his life insurance coverage is RM1 mil+ and he's only paying like RM2000+ a year for it. I forgot to ask him from which company and i honestly don't know anything else about it other than those figures. Is it plausible to have that kind of coverage at that price?
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aviation company has their own specific insurance which covers for higher risk faced by pilots.

However, you can still get your personal coverage with the insurance company directly which is not subject to whatever you've mentioned on lost of license.

QUOTE(farizmalek @ May 4 2020, 07:11 AM)
https://www.aia.com.my/content/dam/my/en/do...rochure_1st.pdf

Is this insurance ok?
one of the Q&A in the AIA website:-

06: WILL MY COST OF INSURANCE INCREASE
AS I GET OLDER?

As the Cost of Insurance for A-Plus Health is
deducted depending on your attained age, it will
increase as your age increases.
Is this mean that every year the premium will be increased as per the table below...

user posted image
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The cost of insurance will increase overtime as per the schedule written as you grow older.
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QUOTE(Cyclopes @ May 4 2020, 08:48 AM)
Good morning,

Yes, the cost of insurance will follow as per the table. The cost of insurance is not guaranteed. This is the current rate, any changes to these table, say three years from now, you will be charged the new rates with 3 months notice. That's the standard industry practice, same with other insurers also.
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Thank you Tuan
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QUOTE(ckdenion @ May 4 2020, 10:28 AM)
hi afif, in terms of "loss of license" insurance, i won't be able to shed more comments on that since i have never come across plans that cover that. for your friend's coverage, it's very depending on when he bought it, how many years the plan covers him for, is it a term or ilp, occupation, smoker/non smoker, etc. Can only share more if he is willing to tell you all the details and show you the plan. if you are really keen on how much plan you wanna get, just let me know. i can plan something for you but you are not obligated to buy/apply anything. wink.gif
hi fariz, indeed Cost of Insurance (COI) will increase as one ages. COI is not equivalent to premium ya. when your payable premium + cash value is not able to cover the COI of the plan, then only insurance company will increase your premium.
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Thank you Tuan
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QUOTE(lifebalance @ May 4 2020, 01:56 PM)
I have yet to heard of such term.

To make it simple for you, insurance nowadays are sold as term insurance or as investment linked policies which insurance company will invest part of your insurance premium to cover future cost of insurance.

Of course you can still opt for term insurance if you do not want to partake in any investment but you will be subject to pay an increasing annual premium as you grow older.

Also, insurance company will put more restriction for term insurance as compared to investment link policies for financial and health checks.
aviation company has their own specific insurance which covers for higher risk faced by pilots.

However, you can still get your personal coverage with the insurance company directly which is not subject to whatever you've mentioned on lost of license.
The cost of insurance will increase overtime as per the schedule written as you grow older.
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Thank you Tuan...
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I recently made a claim for a MRI scan on my spine but due to policy is less than 2 years I have to pay first. Fair enough, so I pay and the claim is approved this month. From admission to discharge to submitting claim, there's no need for insurance agent to be involved due to most paper work is done by the hospital, doctor or the customer service for that insurance co.

Because of this claim, I found out HLA claim procedure is slow and ineffective. They ask for MAR but didn't call, email or sms to notify me. I have to called then only find out they need the MAR. They even told me they send the form by normal post which till today I still haven't received it yet. Luckily the customer service in HLA give a copy to me when i submitted the claim.

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So their request for Medical Attendance Report (MAR) letter finally arrived..

AFTER I've already submitted the MAR (find out by calling their claim dept.) and the claim has already been disbursed back to me in March.

I don't understand why insurance co. sent out letter by normal mail.
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QUOTE(rapple @ May 4 2020, 06:16 PM)
So their request for Medical Attendance Report (MAR) letter finally arrived..

AFTER I've already submitted the MAR (find out by calling their claim dept.) and the claim has already been disbursed back to me in March.

I don't understand why insurance co. sent out letter by normal mail.
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hi rapple, glad to hear that! for insurance company, they normally deal with physical letter/mail. agents are the one using email normally for matters like this.
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QUOTE(rapple @ May 4 2020, 06:16 PM)
So their request for Medical Attendance Report (MAR) letter finally arrived..

AFTER I've already submitted the MAR (find out by calling their claim dept.) and the claim has already been disbursed back to me in March.

I don't understand why insurance co. sent out letter by normal mail.
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They will normally send you by mail as a black and white for your attention.
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QUOTE(GE-DavidK @ May 9 2020, 07:33 PM)
The general consensus is that each insurance company is more or less the same.

Make sure that when signing up for a new plan, you understand the length/sum of coverage, the sustainability of the policy and you are not over committing yourself financially in insurance. 10% of income on insurance is usually a good starting point.
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Yeah the agent did explain to me & to my surprised the new policy sustain age is 80 years old compared to my older AIA policy which was only up to 70 years old. Although I admit the AIA do have higher medical card limit which is 1.5m compared to GE but 990k is still pretty high. There are some benefits to AIA such as that RM300 medical checkup yearly provided you didnt make any claims from your medical card...
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QUOTE(infernoaswen @ May 9 2020, 07:39 PM)
Yeah the agent did explain to me & to my surprised the new policy sustain age is 80 years old compared to my older AIA policy which was only up to 70 years old. Although I admit the AIA do have higher medical card limit which is 1.5m compared to GE but 990k is still pretty high. There are some benefits to AIA such as that RM300 medical checkup yearly provided you didnt make any claims from your medical card...
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You could shed some light. When was your "old" AIA policy purchased? Perhaps more than 5 years ago?
Did you obtain a similar "new" quotation from AIA for comparison?
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QUOTE(Cyclopes @ May 10 2020, 07:12 AM)
Good morning infernoaswen
If you are referring to medical card, you can't possibly get a apple to apple comparison, reason being what Card A offers will vary with Card B either in terms of types of benefits or amount for each benefit. Example, post hospitalisation treatment cost for 90 days (GE) and 150 days (AIA); this would affect the financial well-being of the patient should you require long term care.

You could share what benefits that in your opinion made you change your mind.
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Hi Cyclopes, GE post-hospitalisation treatment it depends on whether Smart Medic Enhancer is attached or not. So yea if this rider is attached, then yea the post-hospitalisation is extended to 180 days.
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Hi Cyclopes, GE post-hospitalisation treatment it depends on whether Smart Medic Enhancer is attached or not. So yea if this rider is attached, then yea the post-hospitalisation is extended to 180 days.
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Noted 👍, with payment of additional premium.
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QUOTE(infernoaswen @ May 9 2020, 07:39 PM)
Yeah the agent did explain to me & to my surprised the new policy sustain age is 80 years old compared to my older AIA policy which was only up to 70 years old. Although I admit the AIA do have higher medical card limit which is 1.5m compared to GE but 990k is still pretty high. There are some benefits to AIA such as that RM300 medical checkup yearly provided you didnt make any claims from your medical card...
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Policy sustainability is subjective to the performance of the funds over the years, even if you opted as 80 years, it may not necessarily meet 80 years if the fund performs badly.

For a lower benefit, definitely cost of insurance would be lower while maintaining a same / higher premium.


But if that is what suits you, then that is that smile.gif
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Hi every sifu,

Want to ask how to surrender / terminate insurance during this MCO time, almost all the branches are closed during MCO. Having financial problem need terminate it. FYI, it is Prudential investment link policy.

I guess it is require to give back the physical policy back. And also fill some surrender form (with witness signature, how to get this if branch no open??)

I also enroll auto debit to my credit card on this policy. Worry processing till will get dragged till next month payment. Then one more month contribution $$ gone. Thinking to freeze my card to avoid auto debit, but if later due date reached, will Prudential auto deduct it from my account available investment unit left?

Any sifu can give advice?
Thank you thank you.
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QUOTE(zeigeist @ May 11 2020, 10:53 PM)
Hi every sifu,

Want to ask how to surrender / terminate insurance during this MCO time, almost all the branches are closed during MCO. Having financial problem need terminate it. FYI, it is Prudential investment link policy.

I guess it is require to give back the physical policy back. And also fill some surrender form (with witness signature, how to get this if branch no open??)

I also enroll auto debit to my credit card on this policy. Worry processing till will get dragged till next month payment. Then one more month contribution $$ gone. Thinking to freeze my card to avoid auto debit, but if later due date reached, will Prudential auto deduct it from my account available investment unit left?

Any sifu can give advice?
Thank you thank you.
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You will need to fill up the surrender form at the branch. Otherwise auto deduction will continue


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QUOTE(zeigeist @ May 11 2020, 10:53 PM)
Hi every sifu,

Want to ask how to surrender / terminate insurance during this MCO time, almost all the branches are closed during MCO. Having financial problem need terminate it. FYI, it is Prudential investment link policy.

I guess it is require to give back the physical policy back. And also fill some surrender form (with witness signature, how to get this if branch no open??)

I also enroll auto debit to my credit card on this policy. Worry processing till will get dragged till next month payment. Then one more month contribution $$ gone. Thinking to freeze my card to avoid auto debit, but if later due date reached, will Prudential auto deduct it from my account available investment unit left?

Any sifu can give advice?
Thank you thank you.
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You can ask your agent to surrender the policy for you. If you want to do it yourself, you can fill the surrender form as below. I’m not sure if Prudential accept email submission for this form, you can contact their customer service and ask for clarification on this.

The surrender form for Prudential is here Surrender Form

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hi zeigeist, you can ask your agent to fill up the form and send it to you and you can sign it digitally and scan it back to your agent. It's possible to surrender via email so long your agent (or any Prudential agent) sign as a witness.

For auto-debit cancellation, you can fill up this form. and email it to customer.mys@prudential.com.my.
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QUOTE(lifebalance @ May 11 2020, 11:20 PM)
You will need to fill up the surrender form at the branch. Otherwise auto deduction will continue
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QUOTE(GE-DavidK @ May 12 2020, 01:06 AM)
You can ask your agent to surrender the policy for you. If you want to do it yourself, you can fill the surrender form as below. I’m not sure if Prudential accept email submission for this form, you can contact their customer service and ask for clarification on this.

The surrender form for Prudential is here Surrender Form
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QUOTE(ckdenion @ May 12 2020, 09:49 AM)
hi zeigeist, you can ask your agent to fill up the form and send it to you and you can sign it digitally and scan it back to your agent. It's possible to surrender via email so long your agent (or any Prudential agent) sign as a witness.

For auto-debit cancellation, you can fill up this form. and email it to customer.mys@prudential.com.my.
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Many thanks for all sifu advice.
I want do it myself as my agent mostly will give alot "offer" to keep it run. But outbreak brad time, I memang can't continue.

I called customer care and they said can submit surrender form by email and copy of IC is enough.
For the witness sign, I asked them and they ok for leave it blank @_@. Maybe special case for MCO time all branch close?



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QUOTE(zeigeist @ May 12 2020, 12:58 PM)
Many thanks for all sifu advice.
I want do it myself as my agent mostly will give alot "offer" to keep it run. But outbreak brad time, I memang can't continue.

I called customer care and they said can submit surrender form by email and copy of IC is enough.
For the witness sign, I asked them and they ok for leave it blank @_@. Maybe special case for MCO time all branch close?
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Yes then follow the customer service instruction will do
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QUOTE(zeigeist @ May 12 2020, 12:58 PM)
Many thanks for all sifu advice.
I want do it myself as my agent mostly will give alot "offer" to keep it run. But outbreak brad time, I memang can't continue.

I called customer care and they said can submit surrender form by email and copy of IC is enough.
For the witness sign, I asked them and they ok for leave it blank @_@. Maybe special case for MCO time all branch close?
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glad to hear that zeigeist. could be due to MCO since everyone is restricted to travel around to get the document signed. remember to also fill up the payment method change form just in case they take longer time to process. i have a friend that he surrendered his policy in April but till today the processing aint complete yet.
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QUOTE(zeigeist @ May 12 2020, 12:58 PM)
Many thanks for all sifu advice.
I want do it myself as my agent mostly will give alot "offer" to keep it run. But outbreak brad time, I memang can't continue.

I called customer care and they said can submit surrender form by email and copy of IC is enough.
For the witness sign, I asked them and they ok for leave it blank @_@. Maybe special case for MCO time all branch close?
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Good to know can do it online.

My friend still waiting at Taman Shamelin now. After more than 1 hour still long queue ..

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hi sifus,

nowadays almost all insurers sell life insurance via website. question is, the perception is that if no agent to serve, the process is complicated.

so is it actually complicated for next of kin to claim the insured value upon passing of insurance bearer?

thanks!
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QUOTE(responsible poster @ May 12 2020, 04:56 PM)
hi sifus,

nowadays almost all insurers sell life insurance via website. question is, the perception is that if no agent to serve, the process is complicated.

so is it actually complicated for next of kin to claim the insured value upon passing of insurance bearer?

thanks!
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Not all types of life insurance can be bought online. Insurers are likely to refer you back to an agent to prepare the quotation for you.

You can prepare all the necessary documents on your own whenever you need to make a claim and submit the forms to the customer service center of the insurer. However, in certain complex cases, agents can help clients to appeal cases to the insurer and do follow ups to expedite the process. So, having an agent is better for the client.

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QUOTE(responsible poster @ May 12 2020, 04:56 PM)
hi sifus,

nowadays almost all insurers sell life insurance via website. question is, the perception is that if no agent to serve, the process is complicated.

so is it actually complicated for next of kin to claim the insured value upon passing of insurance bearer?

thanks!
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hi there, the process is not complicated. it is more of the hassle to go to the insurance companies to do claims through customer service. it is the time and effort spent. but i do know some are willing to do all this themselves without going through agent even though they bought from agent.
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QUOTE(responsible poster @ May 12 2020, 04:56 PM)
hi sifus,

nowadays almost all insurers sell life insurance via website. question is, the perception is that if no agent to serve, the process is complicated.

so is it actually complicated for next of kin to claim the insured value upon passing of insurance bearer?

thanks!
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The requirements are quite clear, what documents will be needed. Probably failing to get the proper documents may contribute to the 'complicated' status. Otherwise what may be an issue is, what is claimable and what is not. But proper and adequate understanding should address this.
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QUOTE(responsible poster @ May 12 2020, 04:56 PM)
hi sifus,

nowadays almost all insurers sell life insurance via website. question is, the perception is that if no agent to serve, the process is complicated.

so is it actually complicated for next of kin to claim the insured value upon passing of insurance bearer?

thanks!
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The process is not complicated, you just have to submit relevant documents for claims with the insurance company, you can always call up their customer service hotline for assistance. Submission of course you have to DIY.

Just make sure you make known to your next of kin that you have a policy with the insurance company for them to make the claim easier.
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QUOTE(GE-DavidK @ May 12 2020, 05:23 PM)
Not all types of life insurance can be bought online. Insurers are likely to refer you back to an agent to prepare the quotation for you.

You can prepare all the necessary documents on your own whenever you need to make a claim and submit the forms to the customer service center of the insurer. However, in certain complex cases, agents can help clients to appeal cases to the insurer and do follow ups to expedite the process. So, having an agent is better for the client.
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QUOTE(ckdenion @ May 12 2020, 06:17 PM)
hi there, the process is not complicated. it is more of the hassle to go to the insurance companies to do claims through customer service. it is the time and effort spent. but i do know some are willing to do all this themselves without going through agent even though they bought from agent.
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QUOTE(Cyclopes @ May 13 2020, 07:43 AM)
The requirements are quite clear, what documents will be needed. Probably failing to get the proper documents may contribute to the 'complicated' status. Otherwise what may be an issue is, what is claimable and what is not.  But proper and adequate understanding should address this.
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QUOTE(lifebalance @ May 13 2020, 11:24 AM)
The process is not complicated, you just have to submit relevant documents for claims with the insurance company, you can always call up their customer service hotline for assistance. Submission of course you have to DIY.

Just make sure you make known to your next of kin that you have a policy with the insurance company for them to make the claim easier.
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thanks for all your comments guys. to be honest it seems much more worth it and hassle free to just get life insurance policy from the website. medical insurance however it seems better to go via agent. that's my observation so far.

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QUOTE(responsible poster @ May 13 2020, 11:31 AM)
thanks for all your comments guys. to be honest it seems much more worth it and hassle free to just get life insurance policy from the website. medical insurance however it seems better to go via agent. that's my observation so far.
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Buying online is definitely hassle free.

However the products are limited to term insurance and the coverage that you can buy from online is limited compared to an investment link policy.

The coverage term may also be shorter compared to an investment link policy.

However if you're looking for short term coverage then it's very cheap.

Having an independent financial advisor to advise you on how much you need to cover is more important so that you won't be over-insured or under-insured. (What this simply means is that you don't over-buy unnecessary insurance plans or buy too less insurance that is not significant to cover you).

Insurance agent of a particular company will always try to push you their company products even if it's no good. (Of course la want to earn your money).

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QUOTE(responsible poster @ May 13 2020, 11:31 AM)
thanks for all your comments guys. to be honest it seems much more worth it and hassle free to just get life insurance policy from the website. medical insurance however it seems better to go via agent. that's my observation so far.
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if you are going to get medical insurance via agent, can also check out/compare getting life insurance via agent vs via website. guess asides from pricing, you can also consider since there is already an agent helping you with medical insurance. of course after comparing, end of the day decision is still yours to make. wink.gif
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QUOTE(ckdenion @ May 13 2020, 12:17 PM)
if you are going to get medical insurance via agent, can also check out/compare getting life insurance via agent vs via website. guess asides from pricing, you can also consider since there is already an agent helping you with medical insurance. of course after comparing, end of the day decision is still yours to make. wink.gif
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the problem with getting life insurance via agent is that their products are always investment linked which doesn't seem to be very attractive.
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the problem with getting life insurance via agent is that their products are always investment linked which doesn't seem to be very attractive.
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For medical insurance, I usually advise getting investment-linked because the coverage can be extended and the plan is a lot more flexible to adjust. In fact, investment-linked generally will be cheaper than term insurance in the long run for medical card.

For life insurance, you can consider getting Great Love 4 U from Great Eastern which does not require any medical underwriting with guaranteed acceptance. This is a term life insurance without investment-linked.
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QUOTE(responsible poster @ May 13 2020, 12:28 PM)
the problem with getting life insurance via agent is that their products are always investment linked which doesn't seem to be very attractive.
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normally i will compare it like this

term insurance and standalone medical card vs investment linked. this is something that is always debatable. actually there is no best product here, only thing is still goes down to your needs (how much exactly you wanna get covered for and the term of coverage). then only see which products is the most cost-effective for you based on what you need/want.
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QUOTE(responsible poster @ May 13 2020, 12:28 PM)
the problem with getting life insurance via agent is that their products are always investment linked which doesn't seem to be very attractive.
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Term insurance are available, whether the agent wish to introduce it to you is another matter.

There is no right or wrong to choose between term or investment link policies. Ultimately the objective is to meet your insurance needs.
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QUOTE(responsible poster @ May 13 2020, 12:28 PM)
the problem with getting life insurance via agent is that their products are always investment linked which doesn't seem to be very attractive.
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Yes most agent is like that. No matter how many times I told them I dont need that much medical coverage but they will still keep on HIGHLIGHTING whatever benefits that comes with the ILP which is not FREE in the first place.

Thought want to give a friend a little support (stand alone medical card) for 1 of my kid insurance but sadly they dont have it.


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QUOTE(rapple @ May 13 2020, 05:28 PM)
Yes most agent is like that. No matter how many times I told them I dont need that much medical coverage but they will still keep on HIGHLIGHTING whatever benefits that comes with the ILP which is not FREE in the first place.

Thought want to give a friend a little support (stand alone medical card) for 1 of my kid insurance but sadly they dont have it.
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No offense to anyone here but most agents (even unit trust), they only think about their commission and kpi. The last agent i met was the same. She kept asking 'are you okay with paying monthly and if you don't claim, the money considered burn?' and I kept answering yes. still kept on asking lol.gif
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QUOTE(afif737 @ May 13 2020, 06:08 PM)
No offense to anyone here but most agents (even unit trust), they only think about their commission and kpi. The last agent i met was the same. She kept asking 'are you okay with paying monthly and if you don't claim, the money considered burn?' and I kept answering yes. still kept on asking  lol.gif
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hi afif, its normal that most people think like you. most agents are like that and maybe that is also maybe lack of explanation from agents. so long you are clear with your decision to me that's the most important.
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QUOTE(ckdenion @ May 13 2020, 12:59 PM)
normally i will compare it like this

term insurance and standalone medical card vs investment linked. this is something that is always debatable. actually there is no best product here, only thing is still goes down to your needs (how much exactly you wanna get covered for and the term of coverage). then only see which products is the most cost-effective for you based on what you need/want.
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for long term coverage of 20 years or more what would you recommend personally?

not asking for solicitation, just to see your train of thought.

thanks
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QUOTE(responsible poster @ May 14 2020, 10:49 PM)
for long term coverage of 20 years or more what would you recommend personally?

not asking for solicitation, just to see your train of thought.

thanks
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okay i need more info to recommend. your current age and also the amount of coverage you need.
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okay i need more info to recommend. your current age and also the amount of coverage you need.
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early 30s and for life insurance i see that most are at MYR500k which is quite standard? for medical i have company medical card as well so it would be an add on.
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QUOTE(responsible poster @ May 16 2020, 11:39 AM)
early 30s and for life insurance i see that most are at MYR500k which is quite standard? for medical i have company medical card as well so it would be an add on.
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ok then let me just assume you are 30 this year. I used online life insurance Fi Life (underwritten by Tokio Marine) to do this comparison with a simple ILP life insurance.

1. Fi Life Yearly Renewable Term (YRT) is the one that pays lesser now and premium will increase according to age (refer future premium rate).
2. Fi Life Level Term (LT) whereby premium is fixed for the following 20 years.
3. ILP whereby premium is non-guaranteed (yes for all ILP premium is non-guaranteed due to non-guaranteed fund performance).

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Based on 500k life insurance for 20 years assuming you buy at the age of 30. The total cost for
1. Fi Life Yearly Renewable Term (YRT): RM34,316
2. Fi Life Level Term (LT): RM31,188
3. ILP: RM31,200 (have an estimation of cash value of RM25k at the end of 20th year)

The above cost also assumed if you don't do any investment. So i factored if you have RM35k now and you are investing in a 6% p.a investment vehicle and at the same time you are using the amount here to pay for the yearly premium. End of the 20th year, you will have more if you bought an ILP.

1. Fi Life Yearly Renewable Term (YRT)
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2. Fi Life Level Term (LT)
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do let me know if there are other online life insurance products that you are looking at so i can analyze for you wink.gif

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Hi, i never take any insurance before.

Been quote this from AIA(life link). Is it ok?

Pampasan kematian - 500k
Pampsan TPD - 500k
Pampasan penyakit kritikal accelerated 250k
Age limit 70
Cash value at 70 : 16k
Waiver and save : inclusive

Monthly : 300

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QUOTE(ajin999 @ May 16 2020, 06:42 PM)
Hi, i never take any insurance before.

Been quote this from AIA(life link). Is it ok?

Pampasan kematian - 500k
Pampsan TPD - 500k
Pampasan penyakit kritikal accelerated 250k
Age limit 70
Cash value at 70 : 16k
Waiver and save : inclusive

Monthly : 300
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Halo friend,

seems ok to me. can't comment much without knowing your age/ occupations.
for me I'll check more on fund history. waiver type is it inclusive TPD & CI waiver.

Btw, as you mentioned "never take any insurance before" .. I'll strongly suggest you get medical plan coverage 1st if no extra budget hmm.gif
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Halo friend,

seems ok to me. can't comment much without knowing your age/ occupations.
for me I'll check more on fund history. waiver type is it inclusive TPD & CI waiver.

Btw, as you mentioned "never take any insurance before" .. I'll strongly suggest you get medical plan coverage 1st if no extra budget  hmm.gif
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Hallo sir. Currently only ride on company medical benefit.
age 28 and executive.

Could you elaborate on the fund history? do i need to select the fund or what?

Sorry noobies here

Tq
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QUOTE(ajin999 @ May 16 2020, 08:23 PM)
Hallo sir. Currently only ride on company medical benefit.
age 28 and executive.

Could you elaborate on the fund history? do i need to select the fund or what?

Sorry noobies here

Tq
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Suggest you find out the different having own medical plan compare fully rely on company medical benefit.

My opinion, always get own medical coverage in 1st place. Next will be life & critical illness protection.

If the life plan quoted for you is investment link plan, you may ask the agent explain for you. What fund selected, and why suggest it.
Another way is google the fund name in the quotation.

Fund performance will affect the cash value. Which is the one age 70 estimating 16K.
If fund not perform well .. your policy may not sustain till age 70. (depending product type)
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Hi , I would like to seek answer what my agent said is true or not.About one week ago, my agent contacted me and said the insurance company doing offer by let me change the current policy from prulife ready to pruwithyou with medical no waiting period.As my existing policy was only 1 million for life time, then I agreed to shift to new policy.
Currently there are 2 policy , one old and one new, the old policy premium revised to lower.
Then I asked my agent , do I still need to pay for old policy, she said no need but I afforable , I can pay it and the cash value will be more.
I felt weird why to keep the old policy as she mentioned my medical benefit transfer to new .
She answered me it is better to keep and the surrender value will just reduce a bit when I surrender 2 years later.
Can I have advise if I dont pay the old policy premium , will it really be like what my agent said, the surrender value will just reduce a little as only cost of insurance charges.
I attached screenshot but as she replied in Chinese so hope got people can help.

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Hey guys,

I got laid off a while back and my extended medical coverage benefit will soon expires. Looking at the options available online, it seems like most medical card only covers hospital visits?

Are there takaful/insurance plan that covers GP/private clinic visit? Not really concerned about hospital visit tbh since worse case scenario still got govt hospital, but visiting govt clinic for the occasional flu/ailments is too much of a hassle.

tldr: need coverage for GP/clinic visits

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QUOTE(darkueki @ May 17 2020, 12:49 AM)
Hi , I would like to seek answer what my agent said is true or not.About one week ago, my agent contacted me and said the insurance company doing offer by let me change the current policy from prulife ready to pruwithyou with medical no waiting period.As my existing policy was only 1 million for life time, then I agreed to shift to new policy.
Currently there are 2 policy , one old and one new, the old policy premium revised to lower.
Then I asked my agent  , do I still need to pay for old policy, she said no need but I afforable , I can pay it and the cash value will be more.
I felt weird why to keep the old policy as she mentioned my medical benefit transfer to new .
She answered me it is better to keep and the surrender value will just reduce a bit when I surrender 2 years later.
Can I have advise if I dont pay the old policy premium , will it really be like what my agent said, the surrender value will just reduce a little as only cost of insurance charges.
I attached screenshot but as she replied in Chinese  so hope got people can help.

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Halo friend, from what i see your agent really taking care of you.

1st, for me 1 Million lifetime quite a risk for young people. Technology and medical fees keep on raising. Certain treatment is long terms process. Easily use up large amount from lifetime limit.

2nd, telling to keep the exiting and explain is a must. May be from phone whatsapp text can't elaborate clearly. Suggest you give a call and try meet your agent in future. I'm sure he/she can give further explaination.

What I can try .. give example. Your old medical plan inforce long time ago. new one inforce by MAY2020.
If one year later you got serious stomach issue and consult doctor, if doctor diagnose saying that your illness started at least 1 year ago .. in this case most likely your new medical plan can't cover you. Then your old medical will save you.

So .. ask your agent explain further smile.gif

Usually we will advise user to keep exiting old medical card at least 6 months to 1 year depending their condition. Advise to keep more than 1 year if affordable and got significant illness record among family members. All this by own risk, agent can only explain and advise.

QUOTE(rebornyama @ May 17 2020, 07:18 AM)
Hey guys,

I got laid off a while back and my extended medical coverage benefit will soon expires. Looking at the options available online, it seems like most medical card only covers hospital visits?

Are there takaful/insurance plan that covers GP/private clinic visit? Not really concerned about hospital visit tbh since worse case scenario still got govt hospital, but visiting govt clinic for the occasional flu/ailments is too much of a hassle.

tldr: need coverage for GP/clinic visits
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Good day friend,

Believe your exiting is standalone medical plan right?

It seems like you have different view and objective taking medical plan smile.gif is ok no right or wrong.

Just sharing, normally reason people need medical card to cover unexpected high medical cost need out of sudden. Also to enjoy free medical coverage if serious issue occur and waiver benefit opt in.
Illness / Injured case can handle by clinic usually cost can be handle as well.

Even govt hospital not all cost free. Yes it look like free for small matter and senior citizen check up.
Try refer to GH website for ward charge
http://www.hkl.gov.my/index.php/advanced-s...ospital-charges

and medical cost reference compare by Ringgitplus 2 years ago
https://ringgitplus.com/en/blog/insurance/g...eally-cost.html

You can't use medical card in govt hospital, anyhow can still claim under paid and claim basis.

Any medical plan that cover clinic visit, have to look detail into the product policy terms. It won't be any visit any time can be claim.

For your need. looking for medical plan cover ONLY GP/CLINIC Visit .... May be general insurance / commercial group policy got hmm.gif

This post has been edited by tyenfei: May 17 2020, 09:17 AM
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QUOTE(tyenfei @ May 17 2020, 09:15 AM)
Halo friend, from what i see your agent really taking care of you.

1st, for me 1 Million lifetime quite a risk for young people. Technology and medical fees keep on raising. Certain treatment is long terms process. Easily use up large amount from lifetime limit.

2nd, telling to keep the exiting and explain is a must. May be from phone whatsapp text can't elaborate clearly. Suggest you give a call and try meet your agent in future. I'm sure he/she can give further explaination.

What I can try .. give example. Your old medical plan inforce long time ago. new one inforce by MAY2020.
If one year later you got serious stomach issue and consult doctor, if doctor diagnose saying that your illness started at least 1 year ago .. in this case most likely your new medical plan can't cover you. Then your old medical will save you.

So .. ask your agent explain further smile.gif

Usually we will advise user to keep exiting old medical card at least 6 months to 1 year depending their condition. Advise to keep more than 1 year if affordable and got significant illness record among family members. All this by own risk, agent can only explain and advise.
Hi Tyenfei,, thank for your explanation, I understood the importance of keeping existing medical policy, but I have doubt on no need to pay the premium , if dont pay the premium, really the policy will still active as what my agent said, only deduct cost of insurance?

This post has been edited by darkueki: May 17 2020, 09:41 AM
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QUOTE(darkueki @ May 17 2020, 09:40 AM)
Hi Tyenfei,, thank for your explanation,  I understood the importance of keeping existing medical policy, but I have doubt on no need to pay the premium , if dont pay the premium, really the policy will still active as what my agent said, only deduct cost of insurance?
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If your cash value is enough to cover your current COI then you’re good to go.

You can ask the agent to point out the terms and condition of deducting COI in your contract for your understanding as per your policy.

You will have a COI table in your policy, check if your current cash value is sufficient to cover your COI.

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QUOTE(darkueki @ May 17 2020, 12:49 AM)
Hi , I would like to seek answer what my agent said is true or not.About one week ago, my agent contacted me and said the insurance company doing offer by let me change the current policy from prulife ready to pruwithyou with medical no waiting period.As my existing policy was only 1 million for life time, then I agreed to shift to new policy.
Currently there are 2 policy , one old and one new, the old policy premium revised to lower.
Then I asked my agent  , do I still need to pay for old policy, she said no need but I afforable , I can pay it and the cash value will be more.
I felt weird why to keep the old policy as she mentioned my medical benefit transfer to new .
She answered me it is better to keep and the surrender value will just reduce a bit when I surrender 2 years later.
Can I have advise if I dont pay the old policy premium , will it really be like what my agent said, the surrender value will just reduce a little as only cost of insurance charges.
I attached screenshot but as she replied in Chinese  so hope got people can help.

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Ever wonder why your agent ask you surrender after 2 years and not anytime before that? your agents have indirectly asked you to buy a new policy, pay MORE premium, PAY her COMMISSION AGAIN and now you end up with 2 policies. the reason she asked you to surrender the old one after 2 years is because she will get to enjoy commission on PruWith You (PWY). if you surrender within 1 year, she will get nothing.

There is always one warning by insurance companies whereby insurance is meant for long term and switching is costly because of high initial cost. Based on this statement you really have to study whether do you really need this PWY or not.

your existing lifetime limit of 1 million is comparatively low in the market, but still more than enough. My own policy 120k per year, 720k per life, i haven't upgraded it yet but i'm planning to upgrade soon. However, if you do want to upgrade, you can upgrade. there are usually 2 options, upgrade existing or buy new policy.

Upgrade existing is cheaper, buy new policy is usually more expensive. but i do have to admit, sometimes there's a limit to how much you can upgrade in your existing but my point is, this probably wasn't presented to you by your agent and you buta-buta sign up new policy and getting weird comments like, then the old one no need to pay can only surrender after 2 years. of course you can surrender anytime cool2.gif

Without knowing the details it will be hard to judge whether you need (choice of word is 'need' not should) paying for the old one but your agent has misled you by asking you buying a new one and simply asking you not to pay the old one. maybe she did the calculation but she was not transparent. your current policy is prulife or prulink one? how old is it?

QUOTE(rebornyama @ May 17 2020, 07:18 AM)
Hey guys,

Are there takaful/insurance plan that covers GP/private clinic visit? Not really concerned about hospital visit tbh since worse case scenario still got govt hospital, but visiting govt clinic for the occasional flu/ailments is too much of a hassle.

tldr: need coverage for GP/clinic visits
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short answer: GP and private clinic visits not covered. too high risk and too easy to abuse. I'm sorry for your laid off. Just try to stay healthy and dont get sick for normal flu.

QUOTE(tyenfei @ May 17 2020, 09:15 AM)
Halo friend, from what i see your agent really taking care of you.

1st, for me 1 Million lifetime quite a risk for young people. Technology and medical fees keep on raising. Certain treatment is long terms process. Easily use up large amount from lifetime limit.

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WAH? AGENT TAKING OF YOU? Of course take care, NEW COMMISSION wo, sure take care one.

you deserve what i'm throwing at you. I know agent susah cari makan, saying things like this putting you in the same lousiness as you and her. protect yourself and show your professionalism, dont sit in the same dark side.

This post has been edited by adele123: May 17 2020, 10:25 AM
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QUOTE(ajin999 @ May 16 2020, 06:42 PM)
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hi ajin, just by commenting on the plan, it looks ok. other than that, cant comment much.

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hi darkueki, put it in another way, not to say its an offer. if you memang wanna get that new medical card PruMillion Med, then yea it is compulsory to get PruWith You. if you can afford to pay both, its okay too. in this case normally what i will do is, make the new plan to focus on medical, and the previous one an income protection plan. wink.gif

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hi rebornyama, for personal medical card there is no cover for GP/private clinic visit.
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QUOTE(adele123 @ May 17 2020, 10:24 AM)
Ever wonder why your agent ask you surrender after 2 years and not anytime before that? your agents have indirectly asked you to buy a new policy, pay MORE premium, PAY her COMMISSION AGAIN and now you end up with 2 policies. the reason she asked you to surrender the old one after 2 years is because she will get to enjoy commission on PruWith You (PWY). if you surrender within 1 year, she will get nothing.

There is always one warning by insurance companies whereby insurance is meant for long term and switching is costly because of high initial cost. Based on this statement you really have to study whether do you really need this PWY or not.

your existing lifetime limit of 1 million is comparatively low in the market, but still more than enough. My own policy 120k per year, 720k per life, i haven't upgraded it yet but i'm planning to upgrade soon. However, if you do want to upgrade, you can upgrade. there are usually 2 options, upgrade existing or buy new policy.

Upgrade existing is cheaper, buy new policy is usually more expensive. but i do have to admit, sometimes there's a limit to how much you can upgrade in your existing but my point is, this probably wasn't presented to you by your agent and you buta-buta sign up new policy and getting weird comments like, then the old one no need to pay can only surrender after 2 years. of course you can surrender anytime  cool2.gif

Without knowing the details it will be hard to judge whether you need (choice of word is 'need' not should) paying for the old one but your agent has misled you by asking you buying a new one and simply asking you not to pay the old one. maybe she did the calculation but she was not transparent. your current policy is prulife or prulink one? how old is it?
Hi Adele123, I not sure how to differentiate prulife or prulink, my type of assurance is prulife ready. I dont have much knowledge , I just simply thought is converting my existing plan to new plan, whereby my current premium change from rm190 monthly to rm220 monthly with medical claim limit upgrade to lifetime unlimited. I do plan to upgrade the medical from 1M lifetime to unlimited. Then when I check from this forum, then I sense something incorrect, so I seek for more advice from this forum to find out why I need keep both policy while she mentioned the current medical transfer to new policy.
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QUOTE(ckdenion @ May 17 2020, 11:10 AM)
hi darkueki, put it in another way, not to say its an offer. if you memang wanna get that new medical card PruMillion Med, then yea it is compulsory to get PruWith You. if you can afford to pay both, its okay too. in this case normally what i will do is, make the new plan to focus on medical, and the previous one an income protection plan. wink.gif
Hi ckdenion, I did plan to get new medical card PruMillion, but I think the way my agent selling to me not that inpropertiate .
Thank you for the comment.
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QUOTE(adele123 @ May 17 2020, 10:24 AM)
Ever wonder why your agent ask you surrender after 2 years and not anytime before that? your agents have indirectly asked you to buy a new policy, pay MORE premium, PAY her COMMISSION AGAIN and now you end up with 2 policies. the reason she asked you to surrender the old one after 2 years is because she will get to enjoy commission on PruWith You (PWY). if you surrender within 1 year, she will get nothing.

There is always one warning by insurance companies whereby insurance is meant for long term and switching is costly because of high initial cost. Based on this statement you really have to study whether do you really need this PWY or not.

your existing lifetime limit of 1 million is comparatively low in the market, but still more than enough. My own policy 120k per year, 720k per life, i haven't upgraded it yet but i'm planning to upgrade soon. However, if you do want to upgrade, you can upgrade. there are usually 2 options, upgrade existing or buy new policy.

Upgrade existing is cheaper, buy new policy is usually more expensive. but i do have to admit, sometimes there's a limit to how much you can upgrade in your existing but my point is, this probably wasn't presented to you by your agent and you buta-buta sign up new policy and getting weird comments like, then the old one no need to pay can only surrender after 2 years. of course you can surrender anytime  cool2.gif

Without knowing the details it will be hard to judge whether you need (choice of word is 'need' not should) paying for the old one but your agent has misled you by asking you buying a new one and simply asking you not to pay the old one. maybe she did the calculation but she was not transparent. your current policy is prulife or prulink one? how old is it?
short answer: GP and private clinic visits not covered. too high risk and too easy to abuse. I'm sorry for your laid off. Just try to stay healthy and dont get sick for normal flu.
WAH? AGENT TAKING OF YOU? Of course take care, NEW COMMISSION wo, sure take care one.

you deserve what i'm throwing at you. I know agent susah cari makan, saying things like this putting you in the same lousiness as you and her. protect yourself and show your professionalism, dont sit in the same dark side.
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Halo adele123,

Not sure what experience you face with agents before.

Anyhow.. Yes i mean it in term of plan protection.
I have no right to comment on commission part like you said without more info.

it is agent's duty to explain the new plan. pros & cons. it is user right to choose upgrade or not

is it wrong for agent to intro new plan to client?
is it wrong when agent ask to get new plan?
All depending what policy user holding is it worth to keep or not.
We can't judge base on few paragraph of "facts" here

Sounds like choose between Sedan and MPV, is user call after sales person introduction.

Btw, I do agreed with you some may give advise base on self interest only. Example fight for new com then hard sales to user. Which I strongly against it.

Just don't mix up the concept ... is agents right to get commission when they do their job and responsible to it. This is how the whole system work.
Same with any other marketing sales out there.

Everyone doing something for earning. We pay something someone make profit.
Just make sure the right way.

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QUOTE(darkueki @ May 17 2020, 11:31 AM)
Hi ckdenion, I did plan to get new medical card PruMillion, but I think the way my agent selling to me not that inpropertiate .
Thank you for the comment.
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yea darkueki, basically it's just how message is conveyed to you. the PruMillion Med is only attachable to PruWith You as far as i know. for case like this, how i will do it is make one plan that focus on life insurance for income protection planning and another one on medical card although both is ILP. OR upon getting that new policy, check is there any life insurance/critical illness payout amount for income protection that you wanna increase? if yes then top up the balance in the new policy together with the new medical plan.
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QUOTE(ckdenion @ May 17 2020, 01:46 PM)
yea darkueki, basically it's just how message is conveyed to you. the PruMillion Med is only attachable to PruWith You as far as i know. for case like this, how i will do it is make one plan that focus on life insurance for income protection planning and another one on medical card although both is ILP. OR upon getting that new policy, check is there any life insurance/critical illness payout amount for income protection that you wanna increase? if yes then top up the balance in the new policy together with the new medical plan.
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Hi Ckdenion, thanks for your advice, yes there is life insurance /critical illness payout but only 35k each.
I would like to know can you quote me with below details:
Budget rm250
AnB: 28
Non smoker
Medical : annual at least 1m and lifetime unlimited
Occupation : class 2 even thought I think I class 1 but my agent said in system she can found is production site leader, my job is like planner ,work in supply chain management.

Thank you.

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QUOTE(ajin999 @ May 16 2020, 06:42 PM)
Hi, i never take any insurance before.

Been quote this from AIA(life link). Is it ok?

Pampasan kematian - 500k
Pampsan TPD - 500k
Pampasan penyakit kritikal accelerated 250k
Age limit 70
Cash value at 70 : 16k
Waiver and save : inclusive

Monthly : 300
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Like others mentioned, first step to insurance is better to be a medical card/hospitalisation. i.e. coverage for room & board and annual limit/lifetime limit for hospitalisation bills.

On this AIA plan, the critical illness accelerated means that once you claim critical illness 250k, the life will be deducted 250k as well.

Cash value is the money you can get in the investment part (not guaranteed).

QUOTE(darkueki @ May 17 2020, 12:49 AM)
Hi , I would like to seek answer what my agent said is true or not.About one week ago, my agent contacted me and said the insurance company doing offer by let me change the current policy from prulife ready to pruwithyou with medical no waiting period.As my existing policy was only 1 million for life time, then I agreed to shift to new policy.
Currently there are 2 policy , one old and one new, the old policy premium revised to lower.
Then I asked my agent  , do I still need to pay for old policy, she said no need but I afforable , I can pay it and the cash value will be more.
I felt weird why to keep the old policy as she mentioned my medical benefit transfer to new .
She answered me it is better to keep and the surrender value will just reduce a bit when I surrender 2 years later.
Can I have advise if I dont pay the old policy premium , will it really be like what my agent said, the surrender value will just reduce a little as only cost of insurance charges.
I attached screenshot but as she replied in Chinese  so hope got people can help.

user posted image
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I do agree with Adele123 that it's better to upgrade existing policy first, however there might be a limit on how much you can upgrade the existing policy. The waiting period for specified illness (including cancer) is 60 days or 2 months. However, insurance companies still can initiate early claim investigation for policies inforce within 2 years depends on the case, hence your agent asked you only to surrender after 2 years.

I would advise you to terminate the old policy once your new policy is already inforce for 2 months instead of 2 years because early claim investigation is rather unlikely.

QUOTE(rebornyama @ May 17 2020, 07:18 AM)
Hey guys,

I got laid off a while back and my extended medical coverage benefit will soon expires. Looking at the options available online, it seems like most medical card only covers hospital visits?

Are there takaful/insurance plan that covers GP/private clinic visit? Not really concerned about hospital visit tbh since worse case scenario still got govt hospital, but visiting govt clinic for the occasional flu/ailments is too much of a hassle.

tldr: need coverage for GP/clinic visits
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Group insurance can cover for clinical visits if the company signed up outpatient clinical rider. Even if visiting government clinic for flu/ailments, personal medical card won't be able to cover.

Personal medical card only covers for:

1) Accidents
2) Hospitalisation
3) Surgery

QUOTE(darkueki @ May 17 2020, 01:57 PM)
Hi Ckdenion, thanks for your advice, yes there is life insurance /critical illness payout but only 35k each.
I would like to know can you quote me with below details:
Budget rm250
AnB: 28
Non smoker
Medical : annual at least 1m and lifetime unlimited
Occupation : class 2 even thought I think I class 1 but my agent said in system she can found is production site leader, my job is like planner ,work in supply chain management.

Thank you.

user posted image
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Class 1 and class 2 are treated with the same insurance charge (for Great Eastern). 1 million annual and lifetime limited can be easily done with your budget. Remember to add in waiver rider when your agent prepare the quotation for you.

This post has been edited by GE-DavidK: May 17 2020, 06:47 PM
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QUOTE(ajin999 @ May 16 2020, 08:23 PM)
Hallo sir. Currently only ride on company medical benefit.
age 28 and executive.

Could you elaborate on the fund history? do i need to select the fund or what?

Sorry noobies here

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Your Life Planner will recommend appropriate funds for you, and if you are knowledgeable about Funds in general, you can discuss which Funds to invest.
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QUOTE(darkueki @ May 17 2020, 12:49 AM)
Hi , I would like to seek answer what my agent said is true or not.About one week ago, my agent contacted me and said the insurance company doing offer by let me change the current policy from prulife ready to pruwithyou with medical no waiting period.As my existing policy was only 1 million for life time, then I agreed to shift to new policy.
Currently there are 2 policy , one old and one new, the old policy premium revised to lower.
Then I asked my agent  , do I still need to pay for old policy, she said no need but I afforable , I can pay it and the cash value will be more.
I felt weird why to keep the old policy as she mentioned my medical benefit transfer to new .
She answered me it is better to keep and the surrender value will just reduce a bit when I surrender 2 years later.
Can I have advise if I dont pay the old policy premium , will it really be like what my agent said, the surrender value will just reduce a little as only cost of insurance charges.
I attached screenshot but as she replied in Chinese  so hope got people can help.

user posted image
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Your old policy will still be active as long as the cash value is sufficient to pay the insurance cost.

You also mentioned above that the agent said "no waiting period" when you were offered the upgrade.

Given that advice, I would assume your new plan should be sufficient, without needing to maintain the old policy. But do seek re-confirmation from her that the use of the medical plan is immediate.

This post has been edited by Cyclopes: May 17 2020, 10:08 PM
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QUOTE(ajin999 @ May 16 2020, 06:42 PM)
Hi, i never take any insurance before.

Been quote this from AIA(life link). Is it ok?

Pampasan kematian - 500k
Pampsan TPD - 500k
Pampasan penyakit kritikal accelerated 250k
Age limit 70
Cash value at 70 : 16k
Waiver and save : inclusive

Monthly : 300
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What’s your age ?

What liabilities are you covering for yourself?

What is your objective ?

QUOTE(rebornyama @ May 17 2020, 07:18 AM)
Hey guys,

I got laid off a while back and my extended medical coverage benefit will soon expires. Looking at the options available online, it seems like most medical card only covers hospital visits?

Are there takaful/insurance plan that covers GP/private clinic visit? Not really concerned about hospital visit tbh since worse case scenario still got govt hospital, but visiting govt clinic for the occasional flu/ailments is too much of a hassle.

tldr: need coverage for GP/clinic visits
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You only get gp coverage if it’s a company medical card, personal medical card only covers for hospitalization


QUOTE(darkueki @ May 17 2020, 09:40 AM)
Hi Tyenfei,, thank for your explanation,  I understood the importance of keeping existing medical policy, but I have doubt on no need to pay the premium , if dont pay the premium, really the policy will still active as what my agent said, only deduct cost of insurance?
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What it means is that your policy goes into premium Holiday whereby it deducts your account value to pay for the cost of insurance

This is not free as it mean it deducts your money that you have In your investing account.


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Hi guys, wanna seek your advice.

GE advised me to increase my premium. What if i dont want to?
The FAQ only mentioned they highly recommend me to but did not mention if i dont want. And my agent barely do anything..

Its weird that i am the only one to increase but my family didnt. We bought the same plan but different coverage.
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QUOTE(Taeee @ May 18 2020, 12:07 PM)
Hi guys, wanna seek your advice.

GE advised me to increase my premium. What if i dont want to?
The FAQ only mentioned they highly recommend me to but did not mention if i dont want. And my agent barely do anything..

Its weird that i am the only one to increase but my family didnt. We bought the same plan but different coverage.
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You can choose not to increase your premium payment, but there are implications, eg, it may affect the sustainability of your policy...may lapse due to insufficient cash value.
Provide more details so that others can give better suggestions.
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QUOTE(Taeee @ May 18 2020, 12:07 PM)
Hi guys, wanna seek your advice.

GE advised me to increase my premium. What if i dont want to?
The FAQ only mentioned they highly recommend me to but did not mention if i dont want. And my agent barely do anything..

Its weird that i am the only one to increase but my family didnt. We bought the same plan but different coverage.
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hi Taeee, for GE, all Smart Medic Xtra medical card got price revision starting 1st June 2020. your family members having the same medical card?

of course it will be more recommended to increase the premium. if you don't reply the letter, company will treat it as you don't agree to increase premium amount. so if you do not want to increase your premium, your plan will lapse earlier due to the increased of medical card cost of insurance.

for example, if you are willing to increase premium, the policy will sustain say until 78 years old. now with the increase of COI and not increasing the premium, your policy will sustain till 72 years old only. this is just an example ya. wink.gif
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QUOTE(Taeee @ May 18 2020, 12:07 PM)
Hi guys, wanna seek your advice.

GE advised me to increase my premium. What if i dont want to?
The FAQ only mentioned they highly recommend me to but did not mention if i dont want. And my agent barely do anything..

Its weird that i am the only one to increase but my family didnt. We bought the same plan but different coverage.
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Hi

If you don't increase your premium then your policy may lapse earlier due to insufficient money to maintain the policy at the same premium that you are paying now.

Chances are teh insurance company increased their cost of insurance or your plan differs from your other family member
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QUOTE(ckdenion @ May 18 2020, 02:30 PM)
hi Taeee, for GE, all Smart Medic Xtra medical card got price revision starting 1st June 2020. your family members having the same medical card?

of course it will be more recommended to increase the premium. if you don't reply the letter, company will treat it as you don't agree to increase premium amount. so if you do not want to increase your premium, your plan will lapse earlier due to the increased of medical card cost of insurance.

for example, if you are willing to increase premium, the policy will sustain say until 78 years old. now with the increase of COI and not increasing the premium, your policy will sustain till 72 years old only. this is just an example ya. wink.gif
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Ya, we have the same medical card.

Guess i have no choice but to increase it le. Anyway, thanks your advice


QUOTE(lifebalance @ May 18 2020, 04:25 PM)
Hi

If you don't increase your premium then your policy may lapse earlier due to insufficient money to maintain the policy at the same premium that you are paying now.

Chances are teh insurance company increased their cost of insurance or your plan differs from your other family member
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Noted. Our plan is same eh only coverage different.
Thanks for the advice tho
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QUOTE(ckdenion @ May 16 2020, 04:23 PM)
ok then let me just assume you are 30 this year. I used online life insurance Fi Life (underwritten by Tokio Marine) to do this comparison with a simple ILP life insurance.

1. Fi Life Yearly Renewable Term (YRT) is the one that pays lesser now and premium will increase according to age (refer future premium rate).
2. Fi Life Level Term (LT) whereby premium is fixed for the following 20 years.
3. ILP whereby premium is non-guaranteed (yes for all ILP premium is non-guaranteed due to non-guaranteed fund performance).

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Based on 500k life insurance for 20 years assuming you buy at the age of 30. The total cost for
1. Fi Life Yearly Renewable Term (YRT): RM34,316
2. Fi Life Level Term (LT): RM31,188
3. ILP: RM31,200 (have an estimation of cash value of RM25k at the end of 20th year)

The above cost also assumed if you don't do any investment. So i factored if you have RM35k now and you are investing in a 6% p.a investment vehicle and at the same time you are using the amount here to pay for the yearly premium. End of the 20th year, you will have more if you bought an ILP.

1. Fi Life Yearly Renewable Term (YRT)
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do let me know if there are other online life insurance products that you are looking at so i can analyze for you wink.gif
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thanks!

looks like ILP is more worth it in this case if it comes with the same coverage.

however which ILP are you using to benchmark against YRT and LT by fi?
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QUOTE(Taeee @ May 18 2020, 04:37 PM)
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company is actually issuing the letter of notification batch by batch. some receives earlier some later. yea if you want to increase the premium as per stated in the letter, just reply the letter will do and pass it to your agent for submission wink.gif

QUOTE(responsible poster @ May 18 2020, 05:43 PM)
thanks!

looks like ILP is more worth it in this case if it comes with the same coverage.

however which ILP are you using to benchmark against YRT and LT by fi?
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it's just an usual ILP plan with no riders attached. purely life insurance just like the term life insurance. for the comparison is if you are going to take 20 years term ya. if you will like to go further until 70/80 years old or until 99, then the outcome will be different. so yea knowing the term is definitely helpful for your planning wink.gif
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hi all, i'm considering to get an insurance for our soon to be out baby.

1. What to take note in this kind of insurance?
2. How much would be a decent amount for the baby's coverage?

And am currently looking at GE Smart Baby Shield, PRU My Child Plus.

Would like to know if any experience parents can share me some tips? Thanks a lot!
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QUOTE(itv_mark5 @ May 19 2020, 12:47 AM)
hi all, i'm considering to get an insurance for our soon to be out baby.

1. What to take note in this kind of insurance?
2. How much would be a decent amount for the baby's coverage?

And am currently looking at GE Smart Baby Shield, PRU My Child Plus.

Would like to know if any experience parents can share me some tips? Thanks a lot!
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1. Coverage for the baby especially for any new born ailments I.e jaundice
2. Starts from 250 monthly for a decent one

Both plans are quite okay but GE will be quite the latest.


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1. Coverage for the baby especially for any new born ailments I.e jaundice
2. Starts from 250 monthly for a decent one

Both plans are quite okay but GE will be quite the latest.
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GE will be quite the latest meaning?
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GE will be quite the latest meaning?
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In terms of launch date compared to the other companies.

Normally product that launch later will have slightly better benefits than other products which may be older. This is to outshine the other insurance companies, but may sometimes be more expensive due to the higher benefits.
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QUOTE(itv_mark5 @ May 19 2020, 12:47 AM)
hi all, i'm considering to get an insurance for our soon to be out baby.

1. What to take note in this kind of insurance?
2. How much would be a decent amount for the baby's coverage?

And am currently looking at GE Smart Baby Shield, PRU My Child Plus.

Would like to know if any experience parents can share me some tips? Thanks a lot!
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hi itv_mark5, how many weeks already?
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QUOTE(itv_mark5 @ May 19 2020, 12:47 AM)
hi all, i'm considering to get an insurance for our soon to be out baby.

1. What to take note in this kind of insurance?
2. How much would be a decent amount for the baby's coverage?

And am currently looking at GE Smart Baby Shield, PRU My Child Plus.

Would like to know if any experience parents can share me some tips? Thanks a lot!
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1. If the pregnant mother is within 13 -35 weeks of gestational period (3 to 9 months of pregnancy period), the coverage should include pregnant complications and death of mother.
- Ensure that waiver rider for both payer and child is included for the child's medical card.
- Ensure Junior critical illness (eg. coverage for Kawasaki Disease) and congenital diseases are included in the coverage.

2. Depending on your needs and budget. I would advise 50k to 100k life for baby is a good starting point. Take note that for the first 5 years, child lien will apply where only a percentage of life sum assured is paid. For example, if the baby pass away in the first year, only 20% of sum assured will be paid.

3. GE Smart Baby Shield is a rider for SmartProtect Junior (Medical card for children). Smart Baby Shield will cover for the mother during pregnancy period (if the policy is inforce within 13 to 35 weeks of pregnancy period) and coverage up to age 5 of the baby for any congenital diseases.


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QUOTE(itv_mark5 @ May 19 2020, 12:47 AM)
hi all, i'm considering to get an insurance for our soon to be out baby.

1. What to take note in this kind of insurance?
2. How much would be a decent amount for the baby's coverage?

And am currently looking at GE Smart Baby Shield, PRU My Child Plus.

Would like to know if any experience parents can share me some tips? Thanks a lot!
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Good morning,
If the expecting mother is below 35 weeks, you may want to include prenatal care (eg AIA Baby Care) when considering the type of cover as it also provides for pregnancy complications. Upon the birth, ideally the baby should be covered for critical illness too. The decent amount of coverage can depend on the budget and what your plans are for the child.

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QUOTE(GE-DavidK @ May 19 2020, 10:03 AM)
1. If the pregnant mother is within 13 -35 weeks of gestational period (3 to 9 months of pregnancy period), the coverage should include pregnant complications and death of mother.
- Ensure that waiver rider for both payer and child is included for the child's medical card.
- Ensure Junior critical illness (eg. coverage for Kawasaki Disease) and congenital diseases are included in the coverage.

2. Depending on your needs and budget. I would advise 50k to 100k life for baby is a good starting point. Take note that for the first 5 years, child lien will apply where only a percentage of life sum assured is paid. For example, if the baby pass away in the first year, only 20% of sum assured will be paid.

3. GE Smart Baby Shield is a rider for SmartProtect Junior (Medical card for children). Smart Baby Shield will cover for the mother during pregnancy period (if the policy is inforce within 13 to 35 weeks of pregnancy period) and coverage up to age 5 of the baby for any congenital diseases.
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There is also another one whereby mothers pay for their own medical card and the child attaches to the mother's medical card till he is 21 yrs old. I think my sister has this. paying rm 380 for self , whereby rm80 is for the child. and lifetime limit is RM1M.


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There is also another one whereby mothers pay for their own medical card and the child attaches to the mother's medical card till he is 21 yrs old. I think my sister has this. paying rm 380 for self , whereby rm80 is for the child. and lifetime limit is RM1M.
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As for SmartProtect Junior, the unborn child is the main insured person which comes with coverage for the mother during pregnancy period. The policy will run for whole life for the child with unlimited lifetime limit. Of course, the premium will be higher than RM80 as the policy is expected to cover up to age 100 for the child.
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My foot is pain, clinic Dr advise to have blood test body check. I have a plan(not sure whether it is possible) which is use my medical card to masuk hospital stay 1/2 days and ask to full body check up.

Is it possible? Is the blood test, body checking can claim? Bought the medical card for few years but never use before...
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QUOTE(jiaen0509 @ May 19 2020, 09:41 PM)
My foot is pain, clinic Dr advise to have blood test body check. I have a plan(not sure whether it is possible) which is use my medical card to masuk hospital stay 1/2 days and ask to full body check up.

Is it possible? Is the blood test, body checking can claim? Bought the medical card for few years but never use before...
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Hi jiaen0509, if the blood test will lead to hospitalisation or any form of surgery, it will be counted as pre-hospitalisation diagnostic test and you should be able to claim medical card for the blood test.
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Hi jiaen0509, if the blood test will lead to hospitalisation or any form of surgery, it will be counted as pre-hospitalisation diagnostic test and you should be able to claim medical card for the blood test.
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It will be dangerous if the report is good, then I have to pay for the blood test fee right?

How if I enter ward first, the test etc will cover by medi card?
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It will be dangerous if the report is good, then I have to pay for the blood test fee right?

How if I enter ward first, the test etc will cover by medi card?
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QUOTE(darkueki @ May 17 2020, 11:26 AM)
Hi Adele123, I not sure how to differentiate prulife or prulink, my type of assurance is prulife ready. I dont have much knowledge , I just simply thought is converting my existing plan to new plan, whereby my current premium change from rm190 monthly to rm220 monthly with medical claim limit upgrade to lifetime unlimited.  I do plan to upgrade the medical from 1M lifetime to unlimited. Then when I check from this forum, then I sense something incorrect, so I seek for more advice from this forum to find out why I need keep both policy while she mentioned the current medical transfer to new policy.
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Super busy, forgot to reply. I guess in your case you do want to uograde but i think the how it was presented to you was not very fair. But having said that the cost with upgrading is very high, hence feels like you kena tipu abit. Sorry no time to help more.

I dont think i can explain without writing 3 paragraphs and i'm not sure if that is enough to make everyone understand.

QUOTE(darkueki @ May 17 2020, 11:31 AM)
Hi ckdenion, I did plan to get new medical card PruMillion, but I think the way my agent selling to me not that inpropertiate .
Thank you for the comment.
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I guess this is what you need to be aware of.

QUOTE(Taeee @ May 18 2020, 12:07 PM)
Hi guys, wanna seek your advice.

GE advised me to increase my premium. What if i dont want to?
The FAQ only mentioned they highly recommend me to but did not mention if i dont want. And my agent barely do anything..

Its weird that i am the only one to increase but my family didnt. We bought the same plan but different coverage.
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Your family member may have bought it on a different month? It will come.

Whatever recommended by GE, i will suggest you follow. Should have some easy step as GE should make it easier for you to reply to them. Typically works like that.


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QUOTE(jiaen0509 @ May 19 2020, 09:41 PM)
My foot is pain, clinic Dr advise to have blood test body check. I have a plan(not sure whether it is possible) which is use my medical card to masuk hospital stay 1/2 days and ask to full body check up.

Is it possible? Is the blood test, body checking can claim? Bought the medical card for few years but never use before...
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hi jiaen0509, how is your foot now? what cause the foot pain actually? I actually won't recommend you use your medical card for purpose like this. I mean if you wanna try, you still can, just to try whether insurance company can approve or not. normally for normal blood test/body check, if it can be done outpatient, then highly likely the the GL won't be approved. so long doctor can give a solid reason for the necessity to admit you for further check.

anyhow, whatever fee you'd paid for check up, you can keep it and claim it IF within that 60 days, there is problem arising due to the root cause for doing the blood test/body check and admission is needed. just keep us updated here and we will assist you.
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QUOTE(jiaen0509 @ May 19 2020, 09:41 PM)
My foot is pain, clinic Dr advise to have blood test body check. I have a plan(not sure whether it is possible) which is use my medical card to masuk hospital stay 1/2 days and ask to full body check up.

Is it possible? Is the blood test, body checking can claim? Bought the medical card for few years but never use before...
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QUOTE(jiaen0509 @ May 19 2020, 10:43 PM)
It will be dangerous if the report is good, then I have to pay for the blood test fee right?

How if I enter ward first, the test etc will cover by medi card?
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If you are not hospitalised or claiming for outpatient accident, then you are not eligible to claim if its just a minor problem.


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Hi everyone,

This is my first time postion on this session of the forum.
I am 29 year old, married with a kid.

i am saving around 4k/monthly after deducting all my monthly expenses including current Life Insurance, PA, and Medical+Life.

Below are the premium I'm paying and coverage I'm getting.

AIA -Anniversary P.A --> Yearly Premium : RM 1060 -> Coverage : RM 1mil Death/Dismemberment

AIA -Medical+Life --> Monthly Premium : RM 330 --> Annual Limit RM 1mil, No Lifetime Limit, Death Benefit Rm100k+Fund value & Bonus

Allianz PremierLink --> Monthly Premium : RM 1.5k -->Sum Assured RM 2.1mil

Recently my AIA agent came to me with A-life Wealth Care plan to increase my savings and at the same time provide protection for my family upon my death.
She said with a monthly premium of RM 700, the sum assured will be around RM 1mil.

I wanted to know is there any other insurance company with similar plan for me to compare before I make a decision.




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QUOTE(linkham @ May 22 2020, 02:02 PM)
Hi everyone,

This is my first time postion on this session of the forum.
I am 29 year old, married with a kid.

i am saving around 4k/monthly after deducting all my monthly expenses including current Life Insurance, PA, and Medical+Life.

Below are the premium I'm paying and coverage I'm getting.

AIA -Anniversary P.A --> Yearly Premium : RM 1060 -> Coverage : RM 1mil Death/Dismemberment

AIA -Medical+Life --> Monthly Premium : RM 330 --> Annual Limit RM 1mil, No Lifetime Limit, Death Benefit Rm100k+Fund value & Bonus

Allianz PremierLink --> Monthly Premium : RM 1.5k -->Sum Assured RM 2.1mil

Recently my AIA agent came to me with A-life Wealth Care plan to increase my savings and at the same time provide protection for my family upon my death.
She said with a monthly premium of RM 700, the sum assured will be around RM 1mil.

I wanted to know is there any other insurance company with similar plan for me to compare before I make a decision.
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Hi

Any reason you need that extra RM1 mil for ?

If not then you may be over-insured / buying for the sake of buying.


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QUOTE(linkham @ May 22 2020, 02:02 PM)
Hi everyone,

This is my first time postion on this session of the forum.
I am 29 year old, married with a kid.

i am saving around 4k/monthly after deducting all my monthly expenses including current Life Insurance, PA, and Medical+Life.

Below are the premium I'm paying and coverage I'm getting.

AIA -Anniversary P.A --> Yearly Premium : RM 1060 -> Coverage : RM 1mil Death/Dismemberment

AIA -Medical+Life --> Monthly Premium : RM 330 --> Annual Limit RM 1mil, No Lifetime Limit, Death Benefit Rm100k+Fund value & Bonus

Allianz PremierLink --> Monthly Premium : RM 1.5k -->Sum Assured RM 2.1mil

Recently my AIA agent came to me with A-life Wealth Care plan to increase my savings and at the same time provide protection for my family upon my death.
She said with a monthly premium of RM 700, the sum assured will be around RM 1mil.

I wanted to know is there any other insurance company with similar plan for me to compare before I make a decision.
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AIA's A-Life Wealth Care is an investment-linked plan. You need to check whether your agent quoted is based on age 70, 80 or 100 coverage which will affect the premium. The "savings" inside any investment-linked plan is used to pay off rising insurance charges in the future. Which means that the savings or cash value will deplete on its own when the insurance charges is higher than the return on investment.

If you plan to withdraw the cash value, it basically means that you are spending future money so technically it is not really savings. Make sure that waiver is included in the policy as well so when you are diagnosed with critical illness, you do not have to pay for the premium anymore (until the coverage ends).

When do you need life insurance?
1. If your family relies on you for the lifestyle they are living (including children for their future education).
2. You have debt (house mortgages and other loans)
3. You have a high-risk job
4. You want to build an inheritance for your family

Considering you currently have 3.2 million life insurance (1 mil + 100k + 2.1 mil), you may consider adding critical illness coverage which will pay you cash lump sum if you are diagnosed with critical illness. You can consider similar plans like SmartProtect Legacy Max from Great Eastern.


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Hi,

Anyone, to help with MLTA?

Thanks
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Hi, Jiansheng Teh

I'd like to apply MLTA insurance to cover my house loan. I looking for some advice.

1. is the term MLTA useful?
2. long term MLTA suggested? (equal to House loan term)
3. what are the key areas I should focus in MLTA?
4. Are the returns are guaranteed at least 90% of proposed?

Thanks for the assistance


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QUOTE(rodeon @ May 22 2020, 05:52 PM)
Hi, Jiansheng Teh

I'd like to apply MLTA insurance to cover my house loan. I looking for some advice.

1. is the term MLTA useful?
2. long term MLTA suggested? (equal to House loan term)
3. what are the key areas I should focus in MLTA?
4. Are the returns are guaranteed at least 90% of proposed?

Thanks for the assistance
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1. MLTA is very similar to traditional life insurance.

Main features of MLTA:
- Policyholder is protected against death/TPD as well as coverage for critical illnesses.
- Sum assured does not decrease overtime unlike MRTA.
- A portion of the premium goes to investment which can be withdrawn anytime.
- Transferable whereas MRTA is non-transferable and stick to the original property purchase.
- MLTA's beneficiary is you whereas MRTA's beneficiary is bank

Because of these extra coverages, MLTA's premium tend to be higher than MRTA.

2. Depending on your needs. You can have the MLTA designed for whole life or just for a period of 20 years.

3. Add critical illness coverage and waiver rider. Ensure that policy sustainability can last for the period of coverage.

4. Returns are not guaranteed. 90% of proposed is relatively on the high side. You or your agent should monitor your funds in the insurance policy and advise you accordingly on when to switch funds based on market performance.

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QUOTE(rodeon @ May 22 2020, 05:52 PM)
Hi, Jiansheng Teh

I'd like to apply MLTA insurance to cover my house loan. I looking for some advice.

1. is the term MLTA useful?
2. long term MLTA suggested? (equal to House loan term)
3. what are the key areas I should focus in MLTA?
4. Are the returns are guaranteed at least 90% of proposed?

Thanks for the assistance
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The other insurance agent has already more or less given you an answer to all your questions.

If you’re currently applying for a loan, do get the information on the MRTA offered by your bank. Compare their benefits and cost then you can make your decision.

If you currently already have a property loan but no insurance, you can consider a MLTA or even a term loan. Which product you choose really depends what’s your plan for the property that you’ve purchase and also your own financial situation.

Best,
Jiansheng

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QUOTE(GE-DavidK @ May 22 2020, 07:27 PM)
1. MLTA is very similar to traditional life insurance.

Main features of MLTA:
- Policyholder is protected against death/TPD as well as coverage for critical illnesses.
- Sum assured does not decrease overtime unlike MRTA.
- A portion of the premium goes to investment which can be withdrawn anytime.
- Transferable whereas MRTA is non-transferable and stick to the original property purchase.
- MLTA's beneficiary is you whereas MRTA's beneficiary is bank

Because of these extra coverages, MLTA's premium tend to be higher than MRTA.

2. Depending on your needs. You can have the MLTA designed for whole life or just for a period of 20 years.

3. Add critical illness coverage and waiver rider. Ensure that policy sustainability can last for the period of coverage.

4. Returns are not guaranteed. 90% of proposed is relatively on the high side. You or your agent should monitor your funds in the insurance policy and advise you accordingly on when to switch funds based on market performance.
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awesome info! thanks for that.

Term MLTA I referred to fixed payment years and coverage is higher than paid years.

Pay for 10/20 yrs and coverage is for 30/40 yers.

Anyway, All I can see is Insurance is to protect the family and little benefit at maturity if we choose a high premium.

Thanks,
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QUOTE(Holocene @ May 22 2020, 08:44 PM)
The other insurance agent has already more or less given you an answer to all your questions.

If you’re currently applying for a loan, do get the information on the MRTA offered by your bank. Compare their benefits and cost then you can make your decision.

If you currently already have a property loan but no insurance, you can consider a MLTA or even a term loan. Which product you choose really depends what’s your plan for the property that you’ve purchase and also your own financial situation.

Best,
Jiansheng
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thanks for the info!
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hi linkham, what is your main concern when she approached you for the RM1mil life insurance? do you intend to increase your protection more or accumulate your wealth more?

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hi rodeon, basically if you are just focusing on your house loan, so long the coverage term can cover your house loan tenure (or more its okay also) and the life insuranceamount is also = your home loan amount, then its ok already. the returns in any investment vehicle is not guaranteed ya. the projection is always just an estimation.
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QUOTE(ckdenion @ May 22 2020, 09:27 PM)
hi rodeon, basically if you are just focusing on your house loan, so long the coverage term can cover your house loan tenure (or more its okay also) and the life insuranceamount is also = your home loan amount, then its ok already. the returns in any investment vehicle is not guaranteed ya. the projection is always just an estimation.
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Thank you Denion. The one suggested by HLA was a very min premium which just covers the loan only. I thought of getting some returns by increasing the premium.

The reason I posted here is to get an idea on which Insurance company is trustworthy. And easy to do the paperwork in case of demise. As well as Long or Short term Pay.

Any suggestions are welcome!

happy holiday people, #StaySafe.
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QUOTE(linkham @ May 22 2020, 02:02 PM)
Hi everyone,

This is my first time postion on this session of the forum.
I am 29 year old, married with a kid.

i am saving around 4k/monthly after deducting all my monthly expenses including current Life Insurance, PA, and Medical+Life.

Below are the premium I'm paying and coverage I'm getting.

AIA -Anniversary P.A --> Yearly Premium : RM 1060 -> Coverage : RM 1mil Death/Dismemberment

AIA -Medical+Life --> Monthly Premium : RM 330 --> Annual Limit RM 1mil, No Lifetime Limit, Death Benefit Rm100k+Fund value & Bonus

Allianz PremierLink --> Monthly Premium : RM 1.5k -->Sum Assured RM 2.1mil

Recently my AIA agent came to me with A-life Wealth Care plan to increase my savings and at the same time provide protection for my family upon my death.
She said with a monthly premium of RM 700, the sum assured will be around RM 1mil.

I wanted to know is there any other insurance company with similar plan for me to compare before I make a decision.
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Hi Linkham,
Is the proposal an addition to your existing life insurance or you intent to replace it for Allianz PremierLink?
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QUOTE(rodeon @ May 23 2020, 12:14 AM)
Thank you Denion. The one suggested by HLA was a very min premium which just covers the loan only. I thought of getting some returns by increasing the premium.

The reason I posted here is to get an idea on which Insurance company is trustworthy. And easy to do the paperwork in case of demise. As well as Long or Short term Pay.

Any suggestions are welcome!

happy holiday people, #StaySafe.
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Hi Rodeon,

In terms of trustworthiness, all Insurance companies are regulated by BNM, very likely the policy would be honoured if terms of the policy are adhered too. Similarly if required documents are complete, there should not be any hassle in making a claim.

Your intention to get "some returns" is very possible with the additional premium that you may pay. However, for the returns to approximate at least 90% of the proposal (as presented by the Agent, I suppose) it would depend on the market condition as the investment linked plan assumptions are based on certain criteria.

There are products/policies where you pay for 10/20 years but cover a longer period, day till age 70/80.

Enjoy the long holiday.

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QUOTE(rodeon @ May 23 2020, 12:14 AM)
Thank you Denion. The one suggested by HLA was a very min premium which just covers the loan only. I thought of getting some returns by increasing the premium.

The reason I posted here is to get an idea on which Insurance company is trustworthy. And easy to do the paperwork in case of demise. As well as Long or Short term Pay.

Any suggestions are welcome!

happy holiday people, #StaySafe.
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hi rodeon, the plan suggested by HLA is not their wealth booster plan right? dont mix "returns" with the "MLTA" plan, will recommend that you get a separate plan to grow and accumulate your funds. those are actually just unit trust. for claims, the documents required are more or less quite standard.
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QUOTE(rodeon @ May 22 2020, 05:37 PM)
Hi,

Anyone, to help with MLTA?

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QUOTE(rodeon @ May 22 2020, 05:52 PM)
Hi, Jiansheng Teh

I'd like to apply MLTA insurance to cover my house loan. I looking for some advice.

1. is the term MLTA useful?
2. long term MLTA suggested? (equal to House loan term)
3. what are the key areas I should focus in MLTA?
4. Are the returns are guaranteed at least 90% of proposed?

Thanks for the assistance
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1. MLTA / MRTA is used for the purpose to cover loan in the event of death/ disability occasionally critical illness if you add on
2. It's suggested to cover based on your loan tenure
3. Basically the sum assured which is the amount to cover on your loan.
4. No guarantees

QUOTE(rodeon @ May 22 2020, 08:47 PM)
awesome info! thanks for that.

Term MLTA I referred to fixed payment years and coverage is higher than paid years.

Pay for 10/20 yrs and coverage is for 30/40 yers.

Anyway, All I can see is Insurance is to protect the family and little benefit at maturity if we choose a high premium. 

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If you're looking to own the policy without having to worry about paying it beyond your 50s then paying shorter term would be ideal.

However if you're looking to reduce your short term cost then you may want to prolong your payment term longer.

QUOTE(rodeon @ May 23 2020, 12:14 AM)
Thank you Denion. The one suggested by HLA was a very min premium which just covers the loan only. I thought of getting some returns by increasing the premium.

The reason I posted here is to get an idea on which Insurance company is trustworthy. And easy to do the paperwork in case of demise. As well as Long or Short term Pay.

Any suggestions are welcome!

happy holiday people, #StaySafe.
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That will depends, I would normally get MLTA without hoping for high return as the purpose is to cover for the loan.

For returns, I would invest the money elsewhere.


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QUOTE(Cyclopes @ May 4 2020, 08:48 AM)
Good morning,

Yes, the cost of insurance will follow as per the table. The cost of insurance is not guaranteed. This is the current rate, any changes to these table, say three years from now, you will be charged the new rates with 3 months notice. That's the standard industry practice, same with other insurers also.
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applies to both yearly renewable and level term also?
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QUOTE(responsible poster @ May 23 2020, 12:34 PM)
applies to both yearly renewable and level term also?
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So far for life policies, increase of cost of insurance is rarely next to none (can't say in the next 20 - 30 years)

But if your policy is attached with a medical card then yes it will increase from time to time (normally will be reviewed every 3 months by the insurance company)
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QUOTE(responsible poster @ May 23 2020, 12:34 PM)
applies to both yearly renewable and level term also?
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For term life, the premium will remain the same throughout the tenure of the term. Whereas for yearly renewable, the increase will be based on attained age, i.e. it will be higher as you get older and will be charged the prevailing premium.
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QUOTE(GE-DavidK @ May 22 2020, 05:35 PM)
AIA's A-Life Wealth Care is an investment-linked plan. You need to check whether your agent quoted is based on age 70, 80 or 100 coverage which will affect the premium. The "savings" inside any investment-linked plan is used to pay off rising insurance charges in the future. Which means that the savings or cash value will deplete on its own when the insurance charges is higher than the return on investment.

If you plan to withdraw the cash value, it basically means that you are spending future money so technically it is not really savings. Make sure that waiver is included in the policy as well so when you are diagnosed with critical illness, you do not have to pay for the premium anymore (until the coverage ends).

When do you need life insurance?
1. If your family relies on you for the lifestyle they are living (including children for their future education).
2. You have debt (house mortgages and other loans)
3. You have a high-risk job
4. You want to build an inheritance for your family

Considering you currently have 3.2 million life insurance (1 mil + 100k + 2.1 mil), you may consider adding critical illness coverage which will pay you cash lump sum if you are diagnosed with critical illness. You can consider similar plans like SmartProtect Legacy Max from Great Eastern.
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Hi David,
Like you stated above, i am thinking of saving plan comes with life insurance to build inheritance for my family. Even if i were to diagnosed with critical illness and had to quit my job for some months/years, i should be able to continue with current lifestyle and provide food for my family at least till i get back on my feet or my death


QUOTE(ckdenion @ May 22 2020, 11:27 PM)
hi linkham, what is your main concern when she approached you for the RM1mil life insurance? do you intend to increase your protection more or accumulate your wealth more?
hi rodeon, basically if you are just focusing on your house loan, so long the coverage term can cover your house loan tenure (or more its okay also) and the life insuranceamount is also = your home loan amount, then its ok already. the returns in any investment vehicle is not guaranteed ya. the projection is always just an estimation.
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Hi Ck,

I want to accumulate wealth more and at the same time increase protection for my family in case I’m gone

QUOTE(Cyclopes @ May 23 2020, 03:50 AM)
Hi Linkham,
Is the proposal an addition to your existing life insurance or you intent to replace it for Allianz PremierLink?
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Hi Cyclopes,
I am want it to be an addition and surely not for replacment.

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QUOTE(linkham @ May 23 2020, 03:19 PM)
Hi David,
Like you stated above, i am thinking of saving plan comes with life insurance to build inheritance for my family. Even if i were to diagnosed with critical illness and had to quit my job for some months/years, i should be able to continue with current lifestyle and provide food for my family at least till i get back on my feet or my death
Hi Ck,

I want to accumulate wealth more and at the same time increase protection for my family in case I’m gone
Hi Cyclopes,
I am want it to be an addition and surely not for replacment.
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I think your goals are pretty clear. In your policies mentioned earlier, you might need more critical illness coverage to achieve the complete protection you need. 5 years of income replacement or 300k critical illness (assuming monthly expenses: 5k) is a good start.
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QUOTE(linkham @ May 23 2020, 03:19 PM)
Hi David,
Like you stated above, i am thinking of saving plan comes with life insurance to build inheritance for my family. Even if i were to diagnosed with critical illness and had to quit my job for some months/years, i should be able to continue with current lifestyle and provide food for my family at least till i get back on my feet or my death
Hi Ck,

I want to accumulate wealth more and at the same time increase protection for my family in case I’m gone
Hi Cyclopes,
I am want it to be an addition and surely not for replacment.
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Hi Linkham,

A-Life Wealth Care can be a good plan to realise your objectives. Let your Life Planner guide you on the additional benefits of the plan. Enjoy the extended festive holidays.
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QUOTE(linkham @ May 23 2020, 03:19 PM)
Hi Ck,

I want to accumulate wealth more and at the same time increase protection for my family in case I’m gone
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in this case perhaps you identify this 3 things.
1. how much life insurance amount you need to top up?
2. how much critical illness payout amount you need to top up?
3. how long coverage is the above 2 mentioned needed? example, until 70,80,90 years old.

with this 3 identified, it is easy to how to allocate your funds to buy insurance and allocate for wealth accumulation. of course you can also go through a detailed planning to identify the 3 above. wink.gif
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Hi there,

I am looking for Medical insurance for my dad.

Was quoted approx. RM8.3k with Life/TPD from Great Eastern. 990k annual limit with no lifetime limit. We didnt get to execute that because of MCO and his birthday just passed on May 2. Upon renewing the quote after his birthday(my dad is 65 this year) it has now risen to approx. RM13k annually which is a huge jump.

Life insurance/TPD is optional for me, medical is the priority. GE agent has quote me again approx. RM6k annually for medical only with the same 990k annual limit, no lifetime limit.

However seems that GE has the most negative claim experience so I am looking for options. Please PM!

Thanks
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QUOTE(irving @ May 23 2020, 11:28 PM)
Hi there,

I am looking for Medical insurance for my dad.

Was quoted approx. RM8.3k with Life/TPD from Great Eastern. 990k annual limit with no lifetime limit. We didnt get to execute that because of MCO and his birthday just passed on May 2. Upon renewing the quote after his birthday(my dad is 65 this year) it has now risen to approx. RM13k annually which is a huge jump.

Life insurance/TPD is optional for me, medical is the priority. GE agent has quote me again approx. RM6k annually for medical only with the same 990k annual limit, no lifetime limit.

However seems that GE has the most negative claim experience so I am looking for options. Please PM!

Thanks
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interesting. i'm considering GE as well. how did you get the feedback on negative claim experience?
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QUOTE(linkham @ May 23 2020, 03:19 PM)
Hi David,
Like you stated above, i am thinking of saving plan comes with life insurance to build inheritance for my family. Even if i were to diagnosed with critical illness and had to quit my job for some months/years, i should be able to continue with current lifestyle and provide food for my family at least till i get back on my feet or my death
Hi Ck,

I want to accumulate wealth more and at the same time increase protection for my family in case I’m gone
Hi Cyclopes,
I am want it to be an addition and surely not for replacment.
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Hi linkham, in such case, it would be best to get more input rather than just put your thoughts into the wealth care plan as there are other solutions available to do what you intend to do but may yield a better result =)

QUOTE(irving @ May 23 2020, 11:28 PM)
Hi there,

I am looking for Medical insurance for my dad.

Was quoted approx. RM8.3k with Life/TPD from Great Eastern. 990k annual limit with no lifetime limit. We didnt get to execute that because of MCO and his birthday just passed on May 2. Upon renewing the quote after his birthday(my dad is 65 this year) it has now risen to approx. RM13k annually which is a huge jump.

Life insurance/TPD is optional for me, medical is the priority. GE agent has quote me again approx. RM6k annually for medical only with the same 990k annual limit, no lifetime limit.

However seems that GE has the most negative claim experience so I am looking for options. Please PM!

Thanks
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Hey, I may have a solution to your problem but may need more detail on your dad though
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QUOTE(responsible poster @ May 23 2020, 12:34 PM)
applies to both yearly renewable and level term also?
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usually yearly renewable term will based on age when it is renewed. level term likely will have fixed premium during the term of coverage. check the product illustration when agent quote you/you got the quote from website.

QUOTE(irving @ May 23 2020, 11:28 PM)
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hi irving, i'd dealt with several insurance companies' claims before. so far GE claims are okay. if medical is your priority, perhaps you can ask GE agent to show you the standalone medical card. wink.gif

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Is there a medical insurance that cover visits to general practitioner? Panel/nonpanel etc..
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Under personal insurance, none

Unless you own a company or employed by a company then your company can apply for a company insurance and to include outpatient coverage for the employees then can
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QUOTE(responsible poster @ May 24 2020, 11:06 AM)
interesting. i'm considering GE as well. how did you get the feedback on negative claim experience?
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Just doing some simple search on the forums:

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...l=great+eastern

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...l=great+eastern

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3123872/+100


I dont mean to undermine any GE agents just basing my opinion on what i've read. GE name seems to be coming up more than most


I am with Allianz now but my agent recently quit. So any Allianz agents out there do drop a PM please

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Hi all, I am planning to get a life insurance with savings plan to maximise my tax relief. My friend recommended Great Eastern Flexi Plus. Do you guyz think it’s a good plan? Is there a better alternative? Thank you
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Hi all, I am planning to get a life insurance with savings plan to maximise my tax relief. My friend recommended Great Eastern Flexi Plus. Do you guyz think it’s a good plan? Is there a better alternative? Thank you
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You are only eligible to get relief on the following

RM4000 for life portion

RM3000 for medical / education

Instead of just for the purpose to maximize your tax relief but unknowingly buying a plan that may not benefit your current need. You should understand what is the best way to maximize your personal finances.
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QUOTE(jaredtay1994 @ May 25 2020, 10:45 AM)
Hi all, I am planning to get a life insurance with savings plan to maximise my tax relief. My friend recommended Great Eastern Flexi Plus. Do you guyz think it’s a good plan? Is there a better alternative? Thank you
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Great Flexi Plus is similar to Great Flexi Wealth Plan. Both are saving plane.
The different, Great Flexi Plus come with waiver options.

Yes these plans got TPD/ accident dealt extra benefit.
But not under tax relief LIFE or MEDICAL portion .. assuming you refer to LHDN .. right?

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hi guys, for life insurance i realised that the total payout is much cheaper for a 5 year plan instead of a 20-30 year old plan.

for example the yearly pay is higher on 5 years for example RM10k for 500k coverage, but RM4k for 20 years. however 10k for 5 years is only RM50k, while RM4k for 20 years is RM80k.

is it actually much more beneficial to get a shorter payment term?
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QUOTE(responsible poster @ May 25 2020, 12:10 PM)
hi guys, for life insurance i realised that the total payout is much cheaper for a 5 year plan instead of a 20-30 year old plan.

for example the yearly pay is higher on 5 years for example RM10k for 500k coverage, but RM4k for 20 years. however 10k for 5 years is only RM50k, while RM4k for 20 years is RM80k.

is it actually much more beneficial to get a shorter payment term?
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If you taking RM500K sum assured for minimum 20 years coverage (sounds like GE SWP20 for me)
You have the options to pay by 5 years/ 10 years / 20 years.

System will calculate the annual premium need to sustain your coverage.
If you choose to pay 5 years, for sure annual premium higher.
If you choose to pay in 20 years, for sure annual premium can go lower.

The different will be the projection cash value by year 20th.

Then why paying 20 years total cost higher in your case?
One of the reason, waiver benefits. Insurer need to calculate the cost to cover your premium if waiver benefit kick in.

You can't count every single cent try to earn the maximum when deal with insurance against risk.
Understand the formula, choose within your conformable budget.

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QUOTE(irving @ May 23 2020, 11:28 PM)
Hi there,

I am looking for Medical insurance for my dad.

Was quoted approx. RM8.3k with Life/TPD from Great Eastern. 990k annual limit with no lifetime limit. We didnt get to execute that because of MCO and his birthday just passed on May 2. Upon renewing the quote after his birthday(my dad is 65 this year) it has now risen to approx. RM13k annually which is a huge jump.

Life insurance/TPD is optional for me, medical is the priority. GE agent has quote me again approx. RM6k annually for medical only with the same 990k annual limit, no lifetime limit.

However seems that GE has the most negative claim experience so I am looking for options. Please PM!

Thanks
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Using the information provided and only quoting for medical only, you can get a much lower premium. Maybe your agent quoted some life and CI coverage for your father as well.

QUOTE(irving @ May 25 2020, 12:02 AM)
Just doing some simple search on the forums:

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...l=great+eastern

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...l=great+eastern

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3123872/+100
I dont mean to undermine any GE agents just basing my opinion on what i've read. GE name seems to be coming up more than most
I am with Allianz now but my agent recently quit. So any Allianz agents out there do drop a PM please
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GE claims have been ok for my clients as well so far. It's unfortunate that there are agents out there who are unaware of the fine prints before explaining to their clients. Non-invasive keyhole surgery or angioplasty is a common knowledge and only entitled for 10% of the critical illness coverage. As for the hospital bills such as surgeries and treatment costs incurred, it will be fully paid out.

QUOTE(jaredtay1994 @ May 25 2020, 10:45 AM)
Hi all, I am planning to get a life insurance with savings plan to maximise my tax relief. My friend recommended Great Eastern Flexi Plus. Do you guyz think it’s a good plan? Is there a better alternative? Thank you
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Depends on what is your objective. You will need to pay for 20 years for Great Flexi Plus and the maturity is 30 years. You may consider Great Flexi Wealth which you can choose to pay for 5 or 10 years and maturity is 20 years.

Savings plan is good for:
1. Disciplined force savings
2. Low risk investment
3. Life insurance protection for accidental coverage

QUOTE(responsible poster @ May 25 2020, 12:10 PM)
hi guys, for life insurance i realised that the total payout is much cheaper for a 5 year plan instead of a 20-30 year old plan.

for example the yearly pay is higher on 5 years for example RM10k for 500k coverage, but RM4k for 20 years. however 10k for 5 years is only RM50k, while RM4k for 20 years is RM80k.

is it actually much more beneficial to get a shorter payment term?
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Let me rephrase your statement to make it easier to understand:

Life: 500k
Payment Term: 5 Years
Annual Premium: 10k

Life: 500k
Payment Term: 20 Years
Annual Premium: 2k

Yes, you are correct. The shorter the payment term, the lower the premium is. This is because of the investment capital is larger in the first few years while the insurance charges is still low. Hence, the return on investment can cover for the sustainability of the policy. This is assuming the investment performance is up to benchmark. The waiver rider cost for a shorter payment term is lower as well, therefore the premium is cheaper for a shorter premium term.

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QUOTE(responsible poster @ May 25 2020, 12:10 PM)
hi guys, for life insurance i realised that the total payout is much cheaper for a 5 year plan instead of a 20-30 year old plan.

for example the yearly pay is higher on 5 years for example RM10k for 500k coverage, but RM4k for 20 years. however 10k for 5 years is only RM50k, while RM4k for 20 years is RM80k.

is it actually much more beneficial to get a shorter payment term?
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It's not necessary cheaper.

By having your policy being paid off at a shorter period, due to the investment capital is received in a shorter period rather than little by little over the long term, you may potential gain a higher return due to that factor.

However, when such funds are put into an investment fund, it's always best to pay it on a monthly basis over the long term due to the averaging cost to mitigate the investment risk of fluctuation.
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QUOTE(responsible poster @ May 25 2020, 12:10 PM)
hi guys, for life insurance i realised that the total payout is much cheaper for a 5 year plan instead of a 20-30 year old plan.

for example the yearly pay is higher on 5 years for example RM10k for 500k coverage, but RM4k for 20 years. however 10k for 5 years is only RM50k, while RM4k for 20 years is RM80k.

is it actually much more beneficial to get a shorter payment term?
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Most likely your 20 year pay term policy premium can be lower.

Request agent to quote you the lowest premium for X number of years coverage for both payment term option. You can also request for the Sales Illustration and check out the Cost of Insurance, from there you can determine which is cheaper.

Which term you go for is entirely dependent on your financial situation.

Personally, I'd go for the longer payment term as I do not need to fork out so much money upfront. I prefer to pay as little as possible right now as this will give me more flexibility in what I do with my cash.

Remember, cash value is purely base on projection and it would be prudent to look at the lower scenario projection.

Best,
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QUOTE(irving @ May 25 2020, 12:02 AM)
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hi Irving, true enough every company got "negative" feedback on claims and customer service. i wouldn't comment much on those that i read online because i'm not involved and not so sure exactly what happen in between. I'd dealt with claims from AIA, Allianz, HLA, GE, Prudential, Manulife and AXA. so far there is not hiccups on my side (certain cases is due to policyowner's complaint and feedback on their agents and the company). so long i know what exactly is happening, then things can be easily resolved.

anyway you can pm holocene. my good buddy from Allianz biggrin.gif

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hey Jared, you can use GE Flexi Plus to max out the life insurance portion for tax relief. it will be better to prioritize on life insurance first then only savings. one more alternative to max out is putting in PRS.

Life Insurance RM3,000
Medical Insurance RM3,000
PRS RM3,000

QUOTE(responsible poster @ May 25 2020, 12:10 PM)
hi guys, for life insurance i realised that the total payout is much cheaper for a 5 year plan instead of a 20-30 year old plan.

for example the yearly pay is higher on 5 years for example RM10k for 500k coverage, but RM4k for 20 years. however 10k for 5 years is only RM50k, while RM4k for 20 years is RM80k.

is it actually much more beneficial to get a shorter payment term?
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for the 20 years plan, is it possible to make it RM2,500? in this case cant comment much because the premium can actually be adjusted (of course there is a minimum based on the coverage term sustainability).
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QUOTE(jaredtay1994 @ May 25 2020, 10:45 AM)
Hi all, I am planning to get a life insurance with savings plan to maximise my tax relief. My friend recommended Great Eastern Flexi Plus. Do you guyz think it’s a good plan? Is there a better alternative? Thank you
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Hi Jaredtay,

In addition to maximising tax relief, you can also consider insurance for your financial risk management. There are alternatives that can be considered, each having its own benefits.
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Hi All,

I had medical coverage from GE as below :

Life + CI
SM200 (medical)
Premium waiver
Smart Extender 120K

However due to family history, I may prone to be high risk on canceer. Hence, would like to get some advice :

1) Is my current coverage sufficient?
2) If no, is it advisable to top up (either additional riders or increase coverage limtis) or purchase from another insurance?

Other opinion or suggestion are welcome.
Thanks

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hi veloos, i will recommend you to upgrade your SmartMedic to SmartMedic Xtra because there is a lifetime limit for SmartMedic. other than that, cant comment much unless you are okay to disclose your coverage amount for life insurance and critical illness payout. also maybe you can share what's your age and occupation? any other liabilities currently?
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QUOTE(veloos @ May 26 2020, 10:29 PM)
Hi All,

I had medical coverage from GE as below :

Life + CI
SM200 (medical)
Premium waiver
Smart Extender 120K

However due to family history, I may prone to be high risk on canceer. Hence, would like to get some advice :

1) Is my current coverage sufficient?
2) If no, is it advisable to top up (either additional riders or increase coverage limtis) or purchase from another insurance?

Other opinion or suggestion are welcome.
Thanks
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I would recommend to top up on critical illness.

As for your medical card, it’s advisable to upgrade as the annual limit coverage is low for the existing plan.

You have option to look and upgrade your existing policy or to pick up a newer policy.


Eurobeater
post May 27 2020, 01:00 AM

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Hi all,

Need a recommendation on a life insurance policy and seems like this tered might be a good place to start.

Details about myself

- age: 24 y/o
- occupation: bank executive. So pretty much just office work
- non-smoker
- single ( unfortunately sad.gif ) and only one debt commitment for a car. But the monthly installments are just below 15% of my gross

Am looking for a Non-participating term-life policy. The kind that can be bought online at an affordable price. I've taken a look at a few companies and noticed eTiQa is the cheapest at under RM 50 a month. But I would like to know if anyone here have better options to suggest.

I'm a bit unsure as to how much coverage I need, but I assume RM 500k for 20 years coverage since I may want to pursue larger financial goals like buying a house maybe 10 years down the road

Would appreciate any thoughts or suggestions

Side note: The reason why I really highlighed the word "non-participating" is because despite this is what I firmly want, the insurance agents that I spoke with (just the ones i asked, no further) cannot seem to understand. A participating policy or IL-policy is always suggested with high premiums that I don't want. For me, cost is a major consideration when buying term insurance.

This post has been edited by Eurobeater: May 27 2020, 01:01 AM
lifebalance
post May 27 2020, 01:16 AM

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QUOTE(Eurobeater @ May 27 2020, 01:00 AM)
Hi all,

Need a recommendation on a life insurance policy and seems like this tered might be a good place to start.

Details about myself

- age: 24 y/o
- occupation: bank executive. So pretty much just office work
- non-smoker
- single ( unfortunately sad.gif ) and only one debt commitment for a car. But the monthly installments are just below 15% of my gross

Am looking for a Non-participating term-life policy. The kind that can be bought online at an affordable price. I've taken a look at a few companies and noticed eTiQa is the cheapest at under RM 50 a month. But I would like to know if anyone here have better options to suggest.

I'm a bit unsure as to how much coverage I need, but I assume RM 500k for 20 years coverage since I may want to pursue larger financial goals like buying a house maybe 10 years down the road

Would appreciate any thoughts or suggestions

Side note: The reason why I really highlighed the word "non-participating" is because despite this is what I firmly want, the insurance agents that I spoke with (just the ones i asked, no further) cannot seem to understand. A participating policy or IL-policy is always suggested with high premiums that I don't want. For me, cost is a major consideration when buying term insurance.
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If you're looking purely for cheap and low cost initially for your insurance coverage then term insurance will suit you.

You can go online and shop on which company you want to go with. The price won't really go far from what you've just mentioned.

Without knowing much more on what your commitments or income.

Basic guide is as below
10x of your annual income for life/TPD not inclusive of debts.
5x for Critical illness
Medical Card

Cheers.
veloos
post May 27 2020, 01:26 AM

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QUOTE(ckdenion @ May 26 2020, 11:30 PM)
hi veloos, i will recommend you to upgrade your SmartMedic to SmartMedic Xtra because there is a lifetime limit for SmartMedic. other than that, cant comment much unless you are okay to disclose your coverage amount for life insurance and critical illness payout. also maybe you can share what's your age and occupation? any other liabilities currently?
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Hi ckdenion, current life and CI are 300k, as for medical had additional rider smart extender which extend the annual limit to 1.2 mil with deductible of 120k which is cover using SM200 (120k annual limit with lifetime limit 1.2 mils) . Major burden will be my parents medical around 2-3k per month (installments) n house loan of 1.5k.

Currently 36 n work as engineer.tq

QUOTE(lifebalance @ May 27 2020, 12:46 AM)
I would recommend to top up on critical illness.

As for your medical card, it’s advisable to upgrade as the annual limit coverage is low for the existing plan.

You have option to look and upgrade your existing policy or to pick up a newer policy.
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Hi lifebalance, in ur opinion what will be the optimum amount for critical illness? FYI, I'm single.tq
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post May 27 2020, 01:30 AM

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QUOTE(veloos @ May 27 2020, 01:26 AM)
Hi ckdenion, current life and CI are 300k, as for medical had additional rider smart extender which extend the annual limit to 1.2 mil with deductible of 120k which is cover using SM200 (120k annual limit with lifetime limit 1.2 mils) . Major burden will be my parents medical around 2-3k per month (installments)  n house loan of 1.5k.

Currently 36 n work as engineer.tq
Hi lifebalance, in ur opinion what will be the optimum amount for critical illness? FYI, I'm single.tq
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Recommended to be 5x of your annual income.

You can include in an early CI of 100k in case of any early stage cancer.

There are specific cancer plan that payouts for cancer and recovery.

I would suggest not to put too much burden on increasing too much on your insurance if your financial is tight with your current commitments. But otherwise go ahead to get more coverage if its a great concern for you.

Most newer medical plan comes with annual limit of 1 mil nowadays without much cost difference than the older plans.
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post May 27 2020, 10:42 AM

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QUOTE(Eurobeater @ May 27 2020, 01:00 AM)
Hi all,

Need a recommendation on a life insurance policy and seems like this tered might be a good place to start.

Details about myself

- age: 24 y/o
- occupation: bank executive. So pretty much just office work
- non-smoker
- single ( unfortunately sad.gif ) and only one debt commitment for a car. But the monthly installments are just below 15% of my gross

Am looking for a Non-participating term-life policy. The kind that can be bought online at an affordable price. I've taken a look at a few companies and noticed eTiQa is the cheapest at under RM 50 a month. But I would like to know if anyone here have better options to suggest.

I'm a bit unsure as to how much coverage I need, but I assume RM 500k for 20 years coverage since I may want to pursue larger financial goals like buying a house maybe 10 years down the road

Would appreciate any thoughts or suggestions

Side note: The reason why I really highlighed the word "non-participating" is because despite this is what I firmly want, the insurance agents that I spoke with (just the ones i asked, no further) cannot seem to understand. A participating policy or IL-policy is always suggested with high premiums that I don't want. For me, cost is a major consideration when buying term insurance.
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Considering you are clear with your objectives and looking for a term coverage, an ideal coverage for life insurance is 10 to 15 times your annual income. If you have any outstanding debts, you will need to take it into consideration as well.

As for critical illness coverage, it would be 3 to 5 years of income replacement, assuming a RM5,000 monthly expense, RM300,000 critical illness coverage would be ideal.

For the eTiQa plan you mentioned, you will need to take note that the annual premium will increase every year which is shown in the sales illustration. There is also some major exclusion in this plan such as TPD caused by consumption of alcohol, inhalation of poisonous gas, etc.

QUOTE(veloos @ May 27 2020, 01:26 AM)
Hi ckdenion, current life and CI are 300k, as for medical had additional rider smart extender which extend the annual limit to 1.2 mil with deductible of 120k which is cover using SM200 (120k annual limit with lifetime limit 1.2 mils) . Major burden will be my parents medical around 2-3k per month (installments)  n house loan of 1.5k.

Currently 36 n work as engineer.tq
Hi lifebalance, in ur opinion what will be the optimum amount for critical illness? FYI, I'm single.tq
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Hi veloos, I assume you have the Smart Extender Max which extended the annual limit with deductible of 120k. So for medical protection wise, I think the protection is adequate.

If the life and CI coverage are from medical card, then the amount is shared together. In other words, once you claimed CI, life would be reduced by 300k as well. You may consider adding life insurance due to this reason.

An ideal CI coverage would be 5 years of income replacement. You will need to take into account of any debts you have at the moment. 300k CI coverage you have should be enough for 5 years of income replacement.
Eurobeater
post May 27 2020, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ May 27 2020, 01:16 AM)
If you're looking purely for cheap and low cost initially for your insurance coverage then term insurance will suit you.

You can go online and shop on which company you want to go with. The price won't really go far from what you've just mentioned.

Without knowing much more on what your commitments or income.

Basic guide is as below
10x of your annual income for life/TPD  not inclusive of debts.
5x for Critical illness
Medical Card

Cheers.
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Alright. In terms of claims, would you know which company tends to have the smoothest process? eTiQa looks good, but I'm keeping my options open.

In terms of income, my current gross is 4k. For now, I'm only wanting a term insurance that covers life and TPD only. In terms of CI and medical card, my current employer will cover that with no limits. Hence, they are unnecessary for the time being.

QUOTE(GE-DavidK @ May 27 2020, 10:42 AM)
Considering you are clear with your objectives and looking for a term coverage, an ideal coverage for life insurance is 10 to 15 times your annual income. If you have any outstanding debts, you will need to take it into consideration as well.

As for critical illness coverage, it would be 3 to 5 years of income replacement, assuming a RM5,000 monthly expense, RM300,000 critical illness coverage would be ideal.

For the eTiQa plan you mentioned, you will need to take note that the annual premium will increase every year which is shown in the sales illustration. There is also some major exclusion in this plan such as TPD caused by consumption of alcohol, inhalation of poisonous gas, etc.

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Thanks for the info. Though as some quick questions.

1) Even basic term insurance also will have increases in premium as policyholders age?

2) If premiums do increase over time, does the Sum Assured also increase as well? (i.e if it costs RM 50 per month for a RM 500k coverage for 20 years, if premium increases to RM 75 per month, does the SA go up to RM 550k for example)

Further, would you know which insurer have the broadest term insurance coverage on death / TPD? I didn't know about the exclusions and wonder if there are any general ones across the industry or some companies are more restrictive than others.

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post May 27 2020, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(Eurobeater @ May 27 2020, 10:50 AM)
Alright. In terms of claims, would you know which company tends to have the smoothest process? eTiQa looks good, but I'm keeping my options open.

In terms of income, my current gross is 4k. For now, I'm only wanting a term insurance that covers life and TPD only. In terms of CI and medical card, my current employer will cover that with no limits. Hence, they are unnecessary for the time being.
Thanks for the info. Though as some quick questions.

1) Even basic term insurance also will have increases in premium as policyholders age?

2) If premiums do increase over time, does the Sum Assured also increase as well? (i.e if it costs RM 50 per month for a RM 500k coverage for 20 years, if premium increases to RM 75 per month, does the SA go up to RM 550k for example)

Further, would you know which insurer have the broadest term insurance coverage on death / TPD? I didn't know about the exclusions and wonder if there are any general ones across the industry or some companies are more restrictive than others.
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Most of the claim process are done rather quickly as there are cut off time in place.

Bigger companies like AIA / Allianz have no issues so far.

Not sure about Etiqa though as they are smaller.

1. Yes all term insurance premium will increase over time as you grow older. You pay cheap now but it will be more expensive than an ILP monthly premium when you're much older.

Then when you think it will be cheaper 20 years later to buy an ILP insurance, it is not.

Insurance is a very fair product where you can't really beat the system (Insurance companies have actuarist to do all these calculations) to where you think you are saving cost now and expect the price will be cheaper later on.

2. No, unless the product provides such feature. Even so, the cost of insurance will normally increase as well with the policy, I've yet to see insurance company that don't charge for something they mention "Free".

Frankly no insurance company offer broad range of term insurance as it's a very basic coverage and its not profitable. They won't be focusing to make a product that has minority demand.
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QUOTE(Eurobeater @ May 27 2020, 10:50 AM)
Alright. In terms of claims, would you know which company tends to have the smoothest process? eTiQa looks good, but I'm keeping my options open.

In terms of income, my current gross is 4k. For now, I'm only wanting a term insurance that covers life and TPD only. In terms of CI and medical card, my current employer will cover that with no limits. Hence, they are unnecessary for the time being.
Thanks for the info. Though as some quick questions.

1) Even basic term insurance also will have increases in premium as policyholders age?

2) If premiums do increase over time, does the Sum Assured also increase as well? (i.e if it costs RM 50 per month for a RM 500k coverage for 20 years, if premium increases to RM 75 per month, does the SA go up to RM 550k for example)

Further, would you know which insurer have the broadest term insurance coverage on death / TPD? I didn't know about the exclusions and wonder if there are any general ones across the industry or some companies are more restrictive than others.
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Considering you are planning to get insurance online, the process can be frustrating if you do not know where to look for when doing claims. For eTiQa, it would be via email or phone call to their customer service. For claims with complications, good agents can help clients to appeal against the insurance company.

As for employee benefits, you will need to take into account that:

1. You might change job in the future or getting retrenched due to uncertainty of economy
2. Employee benefits is not guaranteed and companies may change their benefits from time to time
3. For CI coverage, companies may terminate you while you are recovering from CI

Due to the above reasons, I would advise getting an all in one medical plan with life insurance, CI, waiver would be the best for your age which is still in early twenties. This would serve as the first layer of protection for you and protect you from all angles.

As lifebalance mentioned, we won't be able to beat the insurance system whether we choose term insurance or investment-linked. However, we have to agree that insurance is essential to us because it is using a small expense to exchange for a large payout.

1) For most term insurance, the premium will increase according to age band or every 5 years which is why it is affordable in the first place.
2) No, sum assured does not increase while premium is increased.
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QUOTE(Eurobeater @ May 27 2020, 01:00 AM)
Hi all,

Need a recommendation on a life insurance policy and seems like this tered might be a good place to start.

Details about myself

- age: 24 y/o
- occupation: bank executive. So pretty much just office work
- non-smoker
- single ( unfortunately sad.gif ) and only one debt commitment for a car. But the monthly installments are just below 15% of my gross

Am looking for a Non-participating term-life policy. The kind that can be bought online at an affordable price. I've taken a look at a few companies and noticed eTiQa is the cheapest at under RM 50 a month. But I would like to know if anyone here have better options to suggest.

I'm a bit unsure as to how much coverage I need, but I assume RM 500k for 20 years coverage since I may want to pursue larger financial goals like buying a house maybe 10 years down the road

Would appreciate any thoughts or suggestions

Side note: The reason why I really highlighed the word "non-participating" is because despite this is what I firmly want, the insurance agents that I spoke with (just the ones i asked, no further) cannot seem to understand. A participating policy or IL-policy is always suggested with high premiums that I don't want. For me, cost is a major consideration when buying term insurance.
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Hi Eurobeater,
If it does interest you, AIA is currently having a promotion for term life insurance. Three months waiver on premium ( you pay only from Month 4 onwards). It's a limited offer with maximum sum assured of RM 100,000 for 20 years. For your age, the premium will be 28.19 monthly.

QUOTE(veloos @ May 26 2020, 10:29 PM)
Hi All,

I had medical coverage from GE as below :

Life + CI
SM200 (medical)
Premium waiver
Smart Extender 120K

However due to family history, I may prone to be high risk on canceer. Hence, would like to get some advice :

1) Is my current coverage sufficient?
2) If no, is it advisable to top up (either additional riders or increase coverage limtis) or purchase from another insurance?

Other opinion or suggestion are welcome.
Thanks
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Hi Veloos,
If cancer is your primary concern, you may want to consider insurance products that are cancer specific, such as AIA Cancer360.
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post May 27 2020, 04:49 PM

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QUOTE(Cyclopes @ May 27 2020, 01:43 PM)
Hi Eurobeater,
If it does interest you, AIA is currently having a promotion for term life insurance. Three months waiver on premium ( you pay only from Month 4 onwards). It's a limited offer with maximum sum assured of RM 100,000 for 20 years. For your age, the premium will be 28.19 monthly.

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That seems nice. What's that policy name under AIA? I might check it out.
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post May 27 2020, 05:09 PM

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Hi, can I ask one thing in regards to your industry.

Many times I have to sit down and listen to an agent talk for 1-2 hours about the product offering. I'm aware most features are standard. When I ask about their competitors and how their plan differs and what are the advantages / selling strengths, they are unable to give any meaningful points. Most of it boils down to "Let me see the policy and I'll advise you."

Is there a lot of obfuscation in regards to competing policies or is it just smoke and mirrors ? I understand a sale is hard to make in this time and age but I really despise having to sit down for an hour or two to make small talk for this sort of thing.
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QUOTE(spacelion @ May 27 2020, 05:09 PM)
Hi, can I ask one thing in regards to your industry.

Many times I have to sit down and listen to an agent talk for 1-2 hours about the product offering. I'm aware most features are standard. When I ask about their competitors and how their plan differs and what are the advantages / selling strengths, they are unable to give any meaningful points. Most of it boils down to "Let me see the policy and I'll advise you."

Is there a lot of obfuscation in regards to competing policies or is it just smoke and mirrors ? I understand a sale is hard to make in this time and age but I really despise having to sit down for an hour or two to make small talk for this sort of thing.
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That’s the disadvantage of dealing with agent who represent only 1 insurance company where they won’t give you a neutral point of view with real comparison. They may also be bias with their own company product while putting down on others.

I would normally provide 3 to 4 companies as comparison and let my client to decide for themselves

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