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 Insurance Talk V6!, Everything about Insurance

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Holocene
post Apr 21 2020, 01:10 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Apr 21 2020, 09:56 AM)
The advantage of getting insurance earlier is you may minimise the pre-existing illness risk, and get coverage during early age, instead of non.

Not related to cheaper premium or not.
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This.

Insurance is all about risk management.

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This post has been edited by Holocene: Apr 21 2020, 01:12 PM
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post Apr 23 2020, 06:30 PM

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QUOTE(taiping... @ Apr 23 2020, 06:12 PM)
Pls excuse me if I’m ignorant
Example: firstly, I’m covered by my company both life and medical. By the time I’m 55, there will b an amount that I’ve saved up for insurance. I then use this amount to purchase insurance at the age of 55 (let’s say)

Secondly, if I were to buy insurance at 30years old or 55 years old, the premium would roughly be the same? If not how much difference is the premium? The money saved for 30 to55 years old, could b use to purchase insurance at 55 years old
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As long as you do not have any pre-existing condition by the time you turn 55 years old, then what you've suggested is the best way to go about it.

This is also assuming your medical coverage does not change for the worst and is sufficient throughout your working life.

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post Apr 29 2020, 10:49 AM

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QUOTE(mackerelisgreat @ Apr 29 2020, 06:33 AM)
Hi, I went to my AIA profile and found this. Is this my cash value for PB Wealth Elite? If it is, it’s not a lot.
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If I continue to pay both premiums without taking any freelance jobs, I can last till August/September. I live with my parents so my cost of living is not that high, so that’s why I can live by just doing freelance work. May I ask why it’s difficult for a freelancer like me to apply for premium deferment?
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You can apply for premium deferment as what ckdenion has mentioned.

You can also check with your service provider what happens if you decide to stop paying the premium for 3 months.

- Will they sustain your coverage and use your cash value for the Cost of Insurance?

- Will they inform you prior to terminating your policy?

Check your policies terms and conditions and confirm them with your insurance provider.

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post May 1 2020, 10:00 PM

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QUOTE(Chyan @ May 1 2020, 09:44 PM)
Hi all,

I'm currently 28. Class 1 job. Non-smoker.

I only have MP Generali health insurance from my employer.
I searched around and sieved through what I found interesting and ended up with these two.

1. AIA A-Plus Health
2. Allianz Medisafe

I wonder can I get a good enough ILP for below RM180?
So far from my understanding, standalone packages tend to be more expensive along the years that is why I'm leaning towards ILP.
I have not engaged with an agent yet. Thought of getting some opinion in Lyn first.
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Possible for Allianz cool2.gif
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post May 1 2020, 10:03 PM

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QUOTE(MiKE7LIM @ May 1 2020, 08:09 PM)
RM250 monthly
Benefits Payout
1 Life/TPD-100K
2 Critical Illness-150K
3 Early Critical Illness-100K
4 Diabetes Recovery-20K
5 Cancer Recovery-35K
Hospitalization & Surgical (Med Card
6 Room-150 daily
7 Annual Limit-850K
8 Lifetime Limit-Unlimited
Others Benefits
9 Waiver-Yes (in the event diagnose with CI, premium will be waive but still continue to enjoy the benefits)
10 Savings/Cash Value-Yes

Hi , above plan for single male - 30 years old should be ok right
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If it fulfills your insurance requirement then yes it's sufficient.

Good choice choosing Allianz.

Just a reminder, ILP cash value shouldn't be part of your savings/investment allocation, it's for the sustainability of the policy.

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post May 17 2020, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(darkueki @ May 17 2020, 09:40 AM)
Hi Tyenfei,, thank for your explanation,  I understood the importance of keeping existing medical policy, but I have doubt on no need to pay the premium , if dont pay the premium, really the policy will still active as what my agent said, only deduct cost of insurance?
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If your cash value is enough to cover your current COI then you’re good to go.

You can ask the agent to point out the terms and condition of deducting COI in your contract for your understanding as per your policy.

You will have a COI table in your policy, check if your current cash value is sufficient to cover your COI.

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post May 22 2020, 05:42 PM

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QUOTE(rodeon @ May 22 2020, 05:37 PM)
Hi,

Anyone, to help with MLTA?

Thanks
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post May 22 2020, 08:44 PM

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QUOTE(rodeon @ May 22 2020, 05:52 PM)
Hi, Jiansheng Teh

I'd like to apply MLTA insurance to cover my house loan. I looking for some advice.

1. is the term MLTA useful?
2. long term MLTA suggested? (equal to House loan term)
3. what are the key areas I should focus in MLTA?
4. Are the returns are guaranteed at least 90% of proposed?

Thanks for the assistance
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The other insurance agent has already more or less given you an answer to all your questions.

If you’re currently applying for a loan, do get the information on the MRTA offered by your bank. Compare their benefits and cost then you can make your decision.

If you currently already have a property loan but no insurance, you can consider a MLTA or even a term loan. Which product you choose really depends what’s your plan for the property that you’ve purchase and also your own financial situation.

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Jiansheng

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post May 25 2020, 01:53 PM

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QUOTE(responsible poster @ May 25 2020, 12:10 PM)
hi guys, for life insurance i realised that the total payout is much cheaper for a 5 year plan instead of a 20-30 year old plan.

for example the yearly pay is higher on 5 years for example RM10k for 500k coverage, but RM4k for 20 years. however 10k for 5 years is only RM50k, while RM4k for 20 years is RM80k.

is it actually much more beneficial to get a shorter payment term?
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Most likely your 20 year pay term policy premium can be lower.

Request agent to quote you the lowest premium for X number of years coverage for both payment term option. You can also request for the Sales Illustration and check out the Cost of Insurance, from there you can determine which is cheaper.

Which term you go for is entirely dependent on your financial situation.

Personally, I'd go for the longer payment term as I do not need to fork out so much money upfront. I prefer to pay as little as possible right now as this will give me more flexibility in what I do with my cash.

Remember, cash value is purely base on projection and it would be prudent to look at the lower scenario projection.

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post May 27 2020, 06:00 PM

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QUOTE(spacelion @ May 27 2020, 05:09 PM)
Hi, can I ask one thing in regards to your industry.

Many times I have to sit down and listen to an agent talk for 1-2 hours about the product offering. I'm aware most features are standard. When I ask about their competitors and how their plan differs and what are the advantages / selling strengths, they are unable to give any meaningful points. Most of it boils down to "Let me see the policy and I'll advise you."

Is there a lot of obfuscation in regards to competing policies or is it just smoke and mirrors ? I understand a sale is hard to make in this time and age but I really despise having to sit down for an hour or two to make small talk for this sort of thing.
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Google best medical card in Malaysia, there should be a link to a website called howtofinance. The guy actually does a comparison between different medical card.

Best,
Jiansheng

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post Jun 15 2020, 12:33 PM

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QUOTE(Housedude @ Jun 15 2020, 11:04 AM)
Hey guys,

I have some questions to ask regarding insurance.

So I'll keep it simple. My mum is a widow aged 65, I've lost my dad 5 years ago.
My mum goes for full-body health screening annually and is quite healthy. Non-smoker and non-drinker.

She is obviously not young anymore, when I lost my father to liver cancer, it was a huge financial impact as he did not have any insurance.

My family's income is normal, around 350k annually from dividends, rentals and salary etc. As my father left his business shareholdings to my mother's name.

I am hoping to buy a nicer house for my mother to spend her advanced years in, with a better environment than my current place. However with my mother's old age I am worried that any sudden medical situations would put us at risks as you all know certain illnesses can be very expensive to treat.

As such, my question is if it is possible for someone her age to still get medical insurance, what kind of insurance premiums should we be expecting to pay? and what are the limitations imposed considering her age.

I would also love to hear any suggestions for any insurance policies.

Thanks Guys,
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1) Possible to get medical coverage at 65 years old?

Purely based on age factor she is still insurable.

2) Premium?

Really depends on the kind of medical card that you will be purchasing for your mother. It ranges from RM2k (as highlighted by Lifebalance) plus to all the way in the RM10k range.

Things affecting the premium:
- Type of medical card (Standalone vs Rider)
- Benefits
- Term of coverage
- Loading if any

You might even want to consider a high deductible medical card if it is financially feasible.

Best,
Jiansheng
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post Jun 18 2020, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(encikbuta @ Jun 18 2020, 12:10 PM)
so i've reading up a lot of US-based personal finance books and there seems to be a common theme on insurance, i.e. "insurance is for protection only, not investment".

This got me thinking about my insurance choices. I'm 35 yrs old and i have the following 2x GE plans with the listed riders for about 10 yrs running now. They are all investment-linked which I understand is a mistake?

SmartProtect Essential Insurance 2 (RM270/month)
- SmartProtect Essential Insurance 2
- Critical Illness Benefit Rider
- Smart Early Payout CriticalCare
- IL Comprehensive Accident Benefits Xtra Rider
- IL Waiver of Premium Plus
- Smart Medic (SM150)

Great Early Triple Care Special (RM100/month)
I have quite a bit net worth with me that I'm pretty sure I can do without life insurance. My EPF & cash investments are 4x more than my life insurance sum assured. However, I do believe I still need medical and disability insurance. My question is, do you think it's worth for me to restructure my plan so I can:
- Remove the life insurance and investment portion
- Retain (& even upgrade) the medical & disability insurance portion

And what is the best way to go about doing it?

I didn't bother asking my insurance agent because he'll just tell me to retain everything and buy more policies  dry.gif
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You can engage an independent financial advisor to conduct a review. They would charge you a fee for doing so but at least you have an independent review.

I have done so for my own family and engaged Whitman Independent Advisors. You can check them out.
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post Jun 23 2020, 09:23 PM

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QUOTE(goh15111 @ Jun 23 2020, 09:15 PM)
Hi guys

If I terminated my saving insurance on year 2019 and take out around rm40k,do I need to declare to lhdn to avoid penalty

Tq
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No.
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post Jul 1 2020, 01:39 PM

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QUOTE(tonyckt @ Jun 30 2020, 09:04 PM)
I bought GE life with death coverage 500k at rm150 monthly. Do we have cheaper package without investment link, purely death coverage. How much monthly premium will it be ?
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Depending on your profile your monthly could be as low as RM100/month.

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post Jul 9 2020, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(ss_izal @ Jul 9 2020, 03:24 PM)
can someone enlighten me on have congenital heart disease, though have IJN  letter saying that

'my surgery had an excellent outcome , last reviewed on 2002, echocardigraphy examination showed no abnormalities, IJN not given further appoitment since 2002'

will insurance company cover treatment relating to heart ?

*i've yet taken any insurance atm
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Depends, personally I had WPW and had treatment when I was about 10 years old.. insurance covers me without any exclusion.

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post Jul 9 2020, 05:25 PM

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QUOTE(viktorherald @ Jul 9 2020, 03:35 PM)
Hello sifu, wanna ask something on surrendering policy

Currently im having a policy with Agent A, and B, and both policy has coverage on hospitalizaiton (Agent A is the better one)

After notice this, i contact Agent B and wish to surrender my policy (i call it policy B) under her.
However, she noted me that by surrendering the policy B, since i have "shared category of coverage" with policy A, it will affect Agent A performance also.

Is this true?
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What agent B meant was a Replacement of Policy. If you surrender policy B within one year of policy a inception and agent b makes a compliant to the relevant authorities, agent A could be slapped with a Replacement of Policy complain. Which could affect Agent A.

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post Jul 15 2020, 08:28 AM

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QUOTE(whirlwind @ Jul 15 2020, 04:32 AM)
Hi guys, I’m currently having stand alone life and medical policy and according to my agent the medical policy coverage is kinda low but I’ve just renewed my policy on end of Mac(pay the premium yearly)

He intro a new policy combining both life and medical. I’m ok to upgrade but I plan to upgrade only by either end of the year or early of next year. Having a little concern of overlapping the old and new policies (save money?)

He did mention about waiting time for the new policy to be approved therefore he suggest that I upgrade immediately

What do you guys think?
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Better safe than sorry however it all comes down to your financial comfort and planning.

Best,
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post Jul 15 2020, 09:16 AM

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QUOTE(wcypierre @ Jul 15 2020, 09:04 AM)
Did some reading on life insurance lately and in the US, for some (as idk if it applies to all) policies when you die, the cash value you don't get to keep it. Does that apply here too?
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Depends on the policy, some are "Cash value + Sum Assured", some are "Cash Value or Sum Assured, whichever higher". The difference is that for those that payout Cash Value + Sum Assured, the cash value is usually lower. They also generally have lower premium.

Whereas the Cash Value or Sum Assured, whichever higher, the cash value is usually much higher hence some people prefer these type of policy because they can access the cash when they need it. Of course, premium is also higher.

So it comes down to how you do your financial planning.

Personal advice, when it comes to Insurance try to get the most bang for your buck. Weigh the premium vs benefits and decide how a certain policy suit your unique financial situation.

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post Jul 17 2020, 10:04 AM

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QUOTE(chichabom @ Jul 17 2020, 08:37 AM)
this is something new to me. had always thought that medical premium across companies is more or less the same with probably only plus minus 10% variance since everything is highly regulated
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It depends who you work with, some agents would propose a higher premium to entice client with projected higher cash value when it comes to Investment Linked Insurance.

The agent could also be proposing a standalone medical card hence it is by its nature having a lower premium as compared to an ILP.

It really comes down to knowing which product benefits your financial situation.

Best,
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post Jul 31 2020, 08:19 AM

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QUOTE(lovingforyou @ Jul 30 2020, 10:03 PM)
It wrote something like 6000 x 15% = 900 interest 1st year
6000 x 15% = 900 interest 2nd year
3rd, 4th, 5th
Total interest you earn for first 5 years is 75%
Than my mum wow, such a good deal, where find
At the beginning, my mum wish to intend a total RM50k (she assume RM10k first year, 10k 2nd year, 3rd - 5th), and proceed it with one goal RM50k, yeepy, just left it there 5 years, wait 5 years maturity then she will get RM50k plus yearly 15% (1.5k interest), 50k for 5 years for another type of "FD" (my mum thought it's new style of FD), it will become 50k plus 37,500 interest (total 87500), great deal right?

At the end it become RM50k yearly contribution. And the most terrible part is, my mum hate 'insurance'. She always murmur beside me yearly regarding that she bought a yearly 6k annual premium medical+ life + lil bit of saving, and thinking to surrender every year to save back the 6k 'spending'
Imagine, sounds ridiculous but it does happen

During my dispute with the advisor, i keep focus on this point, did you really expect my mum understand, especially they use those wording that uneducated senior that won't understand, ex. like circumstances, but not mentioning situation.

The draft paper wrote by the agent, i left it in my office together with the policy.
Probably i try to post it here on Monday due tomorrow's holiday and im not working during weekend.
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The interest you’re referring to is what the industry calls a Guaranteed Cash Payment. The word interest cannot be used as it is not an interest and misleads consumers. If the bank staff actually wrote that you might have a case for mis selling and might even be able to get back all your premium .

Good luck with your case.

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