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post Mar 8 2020, 09:47 PM

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thumbup.gif wow, thanks for the continual informal insurance information provider to those in needs about all thing directly and/or indirectly related to insurance and stuffs in Malaysia.
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post Mar 10 2020, 07:53 AM

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QUOTE(thomasjames @ Mar 10 2020, 06:41 AM)
Recently bought an accidental coverage package. I been thinking. If accidental injuries and visit normal GP then can claim but the thing is is it really necessary ?

Because only accidental causes that can be claim. And if injuries medium might as well admitted to hospital to claim medical insurance.

Thoughts ?
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If lost a leg in an accident, if you got no pa insurance... How?
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post Mar 10 2020, 10:05 AM

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QUOTE(thomasjames @ Mar 10 2020, 10:03 AM)
I still got medical insurance that allow me to admit to hospital and claim
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claim for medical expenses, but you cannot claim for lost of leg due to accident, or TPD.
just like CI insurance plan

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QUOTE(thomasjames @ Mar 10 2020, 01:35 PM)
Got it. PA reimburse us of the loss/ injuries due to accident
And also can claim the GP cost.

Is this means medical card only covers room or those procedures/cost
But not reimburse the loss/ injuries ?

I wonder in general does one need PA ? I mean usually lifestyle not extreme hardcore. Staying at Urban city area.
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I rides motorbike on weekends, few trips per day....
I bought PA that covers abt 100k for RM20 pm
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post Apr 23 2020, 06:19 PM

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QUOTE(taiping... @ Apr 23 2020, 06:12 PM)
Pls excuse me if I’m ignorant
Example: firstly, I’m covered by my company both life and medical. By the time I’m 55, there will b an amount that I’ve saved up for insurance. I then use this amount to purchase insurance at the age of 55 (let’s say)

Secondly, if I were to buy insurance at 30years old or 55 years old, the premium would roughly be the same? If not how much difference is the premium? The money saved for 30 to55 years old, could b use to purchase insurance at 55 years old
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from my encounter....
during my working life,...I had some minor medical incidents, and some unhealthy level of cholesterol, high blood pressure,....
I had difficulties getting new one at age 55.....
even some that I got at age 48 are subjected to loading and exclusion....(eventhough there are no reoccurrence of incidents (for many years) and cholesterol and HBP are under control by medication )

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post Apr 25 2020, 09:17 AM

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QUOTE(smallikanbilis @ Apr 25 2020, 09:07 AM)
Thank you. I was looking for a way to hedge against the rising medical costs but seems like it is not possible.
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Try study the possibility of using ilp product for the 'hedge'?
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post Apr 25 2020, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(smallikanbilis @ Apr 25 2020, 02:44 PM)
Hmmm I have always wondered why some agents ask us to buy medical insurance early to protect against escalating medical fees. Seems like there is no way to get a product that features fixed cost of insurance, guaranteed renewal, and no portfolio withdrawal clause
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I think buying when older may cost more due to loadings of pre existing illness, family history and could be subjected to lengthy in depth medical examination too....

they cannot provides you with the current fixed premium for a lengthy period due to the yearly rises of medical cost....as below provides some insight of the % amount of rises per year.
Medical Inflation
https://infocus.wief.org/medical-inflation/
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post Jun 24 2020, 01:31 AM

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googled and found this article, which may or may not apply to Malaysia context........

Why do health insurance companies not cover people with low IQs?
Buying health insurance is tricky enough, but buying it for a differently abled person is all the more difficult.

Hi. I wanted to buy a health insurance policy for my brother aged 36 years. While buying the policy, I was asked about my brother’s qualification.
I mentioned that he had not studied because of his low IQ. But the insurance company refused to cover my brother under the policy.
Later, I was told to submit all his health reports, which i did. Then the insurance company asked for my brother’s IQ test.
I have submitted all document and reports but they have rejected my application.
Do all insurance companies refuse to give health insurance for people with less IQ ? How should I proceed further in this matter? Please help

It all depends on what exactly do you mean by a ‘low IQ’.
Does your brother suffer from a developmental problem like mental disabilities or cerebral palsy?
If so, an insurance company will not cover your brother since he has what is termed as a ‘pre-existing condition’.
This is because people with this problem, tend to have chronic or long term health conditions and are not medically fit while taking the insurance policy.
If you do want to take a health insurance for your brother please opt for policies that have a waver or waiting time before covering patients with pre-existing conditions.
Please be aware that in case of certain illnesses insurance companies will not cover your brother.

https://www.thehealthsite.com/diseases-cond...qs-p214-127065/

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post Jul 20 2020, 12:22 PM

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Many people are buying way too much insurance
.....20 Jul 2020

“Many do not understand the plans they buy into, and many buy the wrong type of insurance such as investment-linked ones, ” Robert Foo, CEO of MyFP Services Sdn Bhd told StarBiz.

https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...-much-insurance

hmm.gif matter of perspective or ????
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post Jul 20 2020, 03:20 PM

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QUOTE(starvinder @ Jul 20 2020, 01:43 PM)
Appreciate your inpu  thumbup.gif  I'll probably sit with my agent and discuss on removing some of these riders for now. Maybe add on back once im older.
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if you need to do that,
may i suggest you "forget" about this agent,...for by the look of it, does he/she really studied and evaluated your needs before suggesting a plan with that cost?
or does he/she emphasized on the cost first (his need of cost target over your needs) before suggesting a plan to you?

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jul 20 2020, 09:59 PM)
Because BNM wants to increase the standard of the insurance industry, instead of people who just park their license without practicing it. They will have minimal target to achieve to maintain their license.

Hitting minimal RM18,000 yearly target is a poverty line for an insurance agent career. That’s equivalent of earning only RM3,600 yearly.

Insurance company would not want to want to keep inactive agents as well since they don’t generate the company profit. Insurance companies are here to make profit and certainly not a non-profit charitable organization.
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is this RM18 000 yearly target set by BNM?
does it RM18 000 applied the same across the board? (means all insurance companies will have the same standard or it can varies higher?
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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jul 20 2020, 10:09 PM)
It’s across the board, however insurance company can impose their internal guideline on termination clause on their agents which may have a higher standard than the ones set by BNM including meeting minimal New policies sold in a year.
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thumbsup.gif if it is same across the board, then can it be higher than the BNM guidelines of min RM 18000 sales pa?
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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jul 20 2020, 10:14 PM)
I supposed so, yet to hear any company going above 18k for now. But for amount of cases, yes.
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thumbsup.gif thanks for the input...
that means they maintained the same as BNM guidelines on min sum...

jfyi....
found this 9 yrs old post....
Unit trust company "did" set it sales target 3x higher than FIMM guidelines

read BACKWard the communication between WMK & felix
from post 35
How to be a unit trust agent?, example, public mutual
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/475101/all
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QUOTE(tan71500 @ Aug 6 2020, 10:22 PM)
i think the annual limit is too high also, but their cost of insurance is  about the same with other plan offering lower annual limit
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if the premium (selling) price is is about the same as other plan....
will this below post possibility be true too??

QUOTE(MUM @ Aug 6 2020, 08:28 PM)
i think insurance industry in malaysia is very competitive...
if they gives you 2.5mil annual limits...then something else would have to gives way...
like death benefits, amount of coverage, claimable amount for each items, co payment, deductibles, etc etc...
thus you really have to study /review /compare with other companies first, before you buy just for the 2.5mil target amount

especially so for HLA...for they are "famous" for their wealth booster plan or something similar where they claims to be giving guaranteed 20% returns pa.....in reality, the buyers did not realize that those returns given could impact their maturity benefits or death benefits. brows.gif
(well that is according to many previous lyn threads on them, search for them, if anyone want to know more about those plans and comments posted in lyn.)
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QUOTE(GE-DavidK @ Aug 9 2020, 03:42 PM)

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 9 2020, 03:48 PM)

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thanks for telling, so i guess the more appropriate or morally correct phrase or reason to tell the public to buy medical insurance at a younger age instead of when older is NOT about cheaper cost to buy BUT more of the risk of having pre existing condition at older age.
Nothing about cheaper to pay (or cost cheaper) as the cost can go up after signing it due to factors as mentioned by GE David, and premium can also go up with age after signing as mentioned by Cherroy
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QUOTE(tan71500 @ Aug 9 2020, 07:36 PM)
How many % increase in COI for medical card by GE during the latest price revision?
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there was a 2019 thread that did touch on that...
medical insurance cost sudden increase 29%, normal !?
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4753108/all
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all same conclusion....telling the client to buy medical insurance

agent A: if you want to buy, you should buy now as there is a possibility that you may have a risk of having pre existing condition later in life which may affect you ability to buy one or will be subjected to exclusion or loadings when you wanted to buy one at later age

agent B: if you want to buy, you should buy now as now you are young and the cost to buy one now is lower or cheaper than when you buy at older age....

hmm.gif which one of the above is more appropriate or morally correct phrase or reason to tell the public to buy medical insurance at younger age?

the worst one i encountered was the one telling me......"buy now as this plan will gives you 20% return of your annual premium and just pay 6 yrs only then no need to pay more"

the best one i encountered was the one telling me......i reviewed your existing coverage and found that you are lacking in this area at your current life stage,....it would be best if you can get one that covers this coverage gap....i also noticed that you have a foreign insurance plan too, do check with them how is the claim procedures or if there is any complication for claim when you are hospitalised in Malaysia."

what is your worst encounters?
what is your best encounters?

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Aug 10 2020, 05:52 PM)
biggrin.gif I would rather avoid answering your question as this will set a "precedent" for other agents to follow certain model answers.

An ethical agent should know which is the right way to explain to his/her client.

As for encounter wise, not much I can share about as well since I'm not usually the customer

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thanks for telling about that....

this get me thinking.....

how should one liked or think the ethical agent should have explained to his potential client?

i know many of you are knowledgeable in this insurance industry,.....mind telling how do you pass on the knowledge of how best to spot a good or more ethical agent from the way they promote their product to a client?

let's say, in a situation where, you cannot communicate about what you knew about insurance to your loved one,....(example, you kena stroke cannot communicate in writing or verbal), then there is an agent came to your house to try to promote an insurance product to your grandsons or son or daughter inlaw (let say you had not bought for them any insurance)
you are aware, listening on the conversation of the agent and your loved one.....
how do you tell if that agent is "good" or so so or just not good to have?

what are some of the basic should have?
i googled and found this...
How To Know If You Have A Good Insurance Agent?
Does your insurance agent fit the bill?
https://dollarsandsense.my/how-to-know-if-y...nsurance-agent/

are those enough or there should be more based on your vast experience gained?

(i am try to compile a list of "how to spot" a good one, to be passed on to my sons when they are starting to work....)


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QUOTE(CoronaV @ Aug 11 2020, 08:00 AM)
Informative. That means purchase at younger age will not save you on premium cost but provide wider coverage for illness yet to happen?
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straight direct answer to your question......yes seems like so, for as mentioned above postings, the premium WILL rise later too. YES, if you buy, it will provide coverage for things that could happens.
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i guess that depends on from which angle you looked at?
as mentioned earlier, TS has already got company medical insurance.....
thus does he/she needed another medical insurance?

some would deem that is not necessary but others would say it is.
some would put in "What IF",
if that is to be taken into considerations, then the possibility are just endless.

some would argue that there are financial opportunity cost to bear in mind if one is getting a wider coverage just for the "What IF".
thus there are also some basic rules to consider the "What IF" scenario abit more holistically
example, do you have dependents?
do you have members of direct family members (brothers/sisters/parents) having history of medical problems (like, high cholesterol, high blood pressure, etc, etc)?
is your BMI number above average?
is your lifestyle sedated?
is your worklife exposed to 2nd hand smoke? or do you smoke?
do you have consume alcohol most of the days in a week of at least 2 glasses each out thing, or something like that....
etc, etc

well that is just my layman on the street take,...not sure of what those real insurance sifus think.

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QUOTE(CoronaV @ Aug 11 2020, 09:13 AM)
Myself also have medical coverage from company. For now not considering any additional insurance. I think the worst fear is the fund pool depletes and premium increase
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Ok noted Yr choice..
Just suggestion only.... That money saved from not buying additional insurance should be used for investment or saving and not for other good to have or just a feel good moment uses

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