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afif737
post May 2 2020, 09:29 PM

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Hi,

I'm 32yo. Airline pilot.

Looking for a good insurance plan. Leaning towards AIA. Medical card and maybe life insurance.

I used to have one with AIA 9 years ago. The sale pitch by the agent was it was a 'Loss of licence' policy. But actually there's no such thing. It says on my policy booklet, the plan is : AIA Assurance Account. If i'm not mistaken it is under 'occupational' policy or something like that I really don't remember. It was also an ILP. I cancelled it years ago. An agent tried to sell me the same policy, but i'm a bit wiser now, so i asked to show where it says 'loss of licence', well it doesn't. I don't think it is right to sell something when it is not what you say it is, even when it is similar.

My company does cover me for permanent loss of licence, hospitalization and also death. But the amounts are not that high. So thinking of additional insurance.

Okay so now for me personally I don't mix insurance with investment. Can anyone suggest any policy that i can read up on? Medical card and life insurance. Preferably AIA.

And also is it true when people say you should get either a life insurance OR an MLTA but not both?

Thank you in advance.

This post has been edited by afif737: May 2 2020, 09:31 PM
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post May 4 2020, 03:23 AM

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QUOTE(GE-DavidK @ May 3 2020, 12:37 AM)
Medical card with ILP generally comes with life insurance and critical illness coverage. Loss of license means provide coverage for pilots alone. For medical card/life insurance nowadays, any permanent disability or critical illness regardless of your occupation will be covered as well.

On whether mixing insurance with investment in ILP, you can do so by maximising the insurance coverage but the sustainability of the policy will be short. The investment/cash value is used to pay for the rising insurance charges in the future. If you are planning to get insurance for long term (i.e. coverage until age 80), you are still better off getting an ILP instead of term insurance/stand alone because ILP will be cheaper than term insurance.

MLTA is a type of mortgage life insurance which is a type of insurance to protect against the house loan you signed up for. Whereas for life insurance it is used to provide peace of mind and reduce financial loss or hardship faced by your family if you passed away.

In a person's lifetime, it is common to have multiple life insurances running at the same time. Different people have different needs and how much they want to leave behind for their family. So, how much life insurance you need is dependent on you.
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Thank you for your reply. The bolded part, it's quite difficult to say because if we lose our licence for example bcoz of a critical illness like diabetes, we won't be able to fly but we can still work elsewhere. but since we fall back to our spm bcoz we lost our licence,its gonna be hard to find a job. So an agent explained to me, in that case the insurance company will not pay up because we can still work elsewhere.

QUOTE(ckdenion @ May 3 2020, 10:17 AM)
hi fariz, if you are comparing COI, cheaper ones are Prudential, GE and HLA. For AIA, Allianz and Manulife, the COI is slightly higher but of course the benefits differs too.
hi afif, i'd never heard of 'loss of license' policy. for AIA latest medical card, you can actually find it on google.

as of life insurance, it will be more on risk management planning based on your current lifestyle and needs. (MLTA is actually life insurance termed as MLTA)
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Hi. You've never heard of loss of licence because it is only offered by airlines. So as far as i know, no insurance company offers it. But some agents try to sell their product using this term which i think is wrong. I was young and ignorant when i got the policy 9 years ago. A few associations outside Malaysia do offer loss of licence. This is why I'm only looking for a medical card and life insurance.

There was a friend who told me that his life insurance coverage is RM1 mil+ and he's only paying like RM2000+ a year for it. I forgot to ask him from which company and i honestly don't know anything else about it other than those figures. Is it plausible to have that kind of coverage at that price?
afif737
post May 4 2020, 01:50 PM

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QUOTE(ckdenion @ May 4 2020, 10:28 AM)
hi afif, in terms of "loss of license" insurance, i won't be able to shed more comments on that since i have never come across plans that cover that. for your friend's coverage, it's very depending on when he bought it, how many years the plan covers him for, is it a term or ilp, occupation, smoker/non smoker, etc. Can only share more if he is willing to tell you all the details and show you the plan. if you are really keen on how much plan you wanna get, just let me know. i can plan something for you but you are not obligated to buy/apply anything. wink.gif
hi fariz, indeed Cost of Insurance (COI) will increase as one ages. COI is not equivalent to premium ya. when your payable premium + cash value is not able to cover the COI of the plan, then only insurance company will increase your premium.
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I never asked about loss of licence.

QUOTE(GE-DavidK @ May 4 2020, 12:59 PM)
Diabetes does not count as a critical illness.

In another example, if one day you lose your pilot license because of cancer, insurance company will pay you for the critical illness lump sum. Whether you can work elsewhere or not after your recovery, insurance company will still pay you because it is based on the critical illness, not the occupation. For pilots, it is considered as occupation class 2 and this information need to be declared to the insurance company when you sign up for the life insurance policy.

It's not impossible to do RM 1 million coverage for annual premium of RM2000+. For your age, 1 million life coverage can be done with monthly premium of RM250.
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Thank you for your clarification.
afif737
post May 13 2020, 06:08 PM

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QUOTE(rapple @ May 13 2020, 05:28 PM)
Yes most agent is like that. No matter how many times I told them I dont need that much medical coverage but they will still keep on HIGHLIGHTING whatever benefits that comes with the ILP which is not FREE in the first place.

Thought want to give a friend a little support (stand alone medical card) for 1 of my kid insurance but sadly they dont have it.
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No offense to anyone here but most agents (even unit trust), they only think about their commission and kpi. The last agent i met was the same. She kept asking 'are you okay with paying monthly and if you don't claim, the money considered burn?' and I kept answering yes. still kept on asking lol.gif
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post Aug 22 2020, 06:08 PM

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I posted here a few months ago, was looking for a standalone medical card, and also term life insurance. but after doing some reading, i think now i prefer an ilp. Is it true that for ilp,the payment will not increase that much over the years because the savings would cover the increase in premium? is this true for all ilp from different companies? I don't care how much money i will get from the investment part at the end of the day, i just don't want to pay so much when i get older.

I also mentioned that i prefer AIA, but their life insurance is quite expensive. When i checked, for a coverage of !mil, my premium is about 1300 a month or 16k a year. It's the legasi policy. That's over budget for me. Been looking for a medical card + life + CI/TPD.

Another question i would like to ask is, how much is enough for a life/tpd/ci insurance? Some people say it's at least 3 times your annual salary,some say 10 times your annual salary. But if i get that much coverage it would be super expensive. Some people also say that you don't need so much as you can also include your epf. Any opinion on this? Can i factor in epf, and also loan insurance for my car which is like mrta?

btw i am 32yo, male, pilot, smoker, not married yet.

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post Aug 23 2020, 03:28 PM

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Thanks so much for your reply!

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I have to check back with my agent on the details. Asked to compare a lot of policies, so i was overloaded with info haha. Yeah make sense, i should go through some financial planning to get a clearer picture. Thanks!

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Thanks for your reply. By objective, do you mean for example, a person wants an amount that can cover all loans and also for the family (if married) to survive?

QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 23 2020, 09:57 AM)
Your understanding on ILP needed to be beefed up.
You paid more ILP compared to standalone, because you are paying extra premium in the early year, that being saved and invested in unit trust, which used to compensate or pay the increase COI of medical coverage later on, it never deter the increase of COI.
Please be minded the investment part also can lose money instead gaining, so you also took the risk of investment in ILP.

All still comes from your own money, it never lock in the medical COI due to aging and inflation in medical cost.

In a correct insurance pov, you don't or can't or look for premium saving. Insurance is drafted based on actuaries maths, it is computed based on pool of risk.
Please don't have a mindset try to save on insurance premium by buying early, late or whatever strategy, it doesn't work that way. Insurance is a consumable financial product, you need it, you buy it.

When old, everyone will need to pay more in medical coverage, this is how insurance works, and how insurance company can be profitable.

Life insurance only needed if your have financial dependents, if you are not married and no financial dependents, then life insurance is not urgently important, except CI/TPD.

Insurance is all about financial management and personal needs, there is no single or universal rules how and which insurance needed.
Fix rules or fixed % amount must be insurance, it just means insurance company and agent can securely make fixed % profit from your wages. It is about marketing only, which doesn't address the personal needs for insurance which  is different for everyone based on different individual financial position.
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Well, if I knew everything about ILP or insurance,or my understanding doesn't need 'beefing up', I wouldn't be asking questions here now would I?
Even if you are an expert in insurance,there's no reason to be condescending.

Did i say i want to save on insurance premium by buying early or late or having that strategy? Don't put words in my mouth.

I didn't ask for rules on how much or which insurance needed. That's why i literally said 'opinion'. As before, don't put words in my mouth.

There's a saying I hold on to since i started working. 'If you think that you are rich, a lot of people are richer than you. If you think that you are smart, a lot of people are smarter than you'. But yeah i am trying to learn more on insurance, and you should learn some manners.

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post Aug 23 2020, 05:15 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 23 2020, 03:45 PM)
If previous post was not in good manner, then apology for that. It is not my intention.

The reason of a little more strong word on ILP, because there were plenty of discussion always being loaded with misleading statement from few irresponsible agents that tell clients, premium is fixed so that they don't need to worry on premium increase like standalone.
Also, there may many potential misleading statement of "buy early so that premium will be cheaper", which is quite a common misunderstanding.

As a result, it may lead to many non-well understood clients that keep on trying to "save" or "buy cheaper" mindset in insurance, which eventually when something in the future is not as they expected, then say insurance or agent "cheat". <--- quite common when their ILP received letter or premium revision due to sustainability issue.

Just want to ensure everyone well understood and clear everything when signing up insurance, because insurance is long term commitment, which could affect personal cashflow problem if it is not well managed.

Insurance is buy what you need, there is no cheap or expensive insurance, as insurance is highly regulated industry.

Nobody claim who is smarter, we are here to share info and always learning with each other, and open minded for every aspect.
Cheers.

If your have housing loan, generally bank always insist of having MRTA, MLTA when approving the loan that will cover the loan outstanding if passed away. So it is not urgently need to have a life insurance to cover the loan, as most loan when taken up, most borrowers already signed up the MRTA or MLTA already.
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I do understand that a lot of people are misinformed and think that premium is fixed for ILP, but did i say that? That's why I was careful with my words and said 'the payment will not increase that much over the years'. And it was also a question. You replied to my post but you implied that i said things that i did not say. Read everything carefully before you reply and put people down (being condescending). When there are 'non-well understood' clients saying those things, then you reply to them la.

How would you feel when you ask something and someone replies but uses 'strong words' and being condescending? And you didn't even say the things the guy said you did confused.gif

I ask questions about insurance because i do realize that it is a long term commitment. Yes i do agree that we are here to share info and learn from each other but when a person is putting another person down for no reason whatsoever, that is him trying to look smart or being a smarta**. Doesn't have anything to do with being open minded either.

Cheers.
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post Aug 24 2020, 05:30 PM

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okay. I've done most of that already, now it's just getting a rough figure. Thanks appreciate it!

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Well I've been thru that too. I try not to overthink. Cause it never ends hahaha
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post Aug 24 2020, 05:34 PM

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Can anyone PM me a quotation, maybe from GE and Allianz. I've got one from AIA. Looking for a medical card + life insurance/TPD + CI. I don't mind if the medical card has a deductible. Life and CI with a coverage of around 300k. But would also appreciate one with 1mil coverage just to see the difference. Really appreciate it.

For those who just wants to be a smarta**, don't bother PMing or replying thanks.

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