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rapple
post Mar 21 2020, 02:35 PM

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QUOTE(tyenfei @ Mar 21 2020, 01:02 PM)
A few questions you might consider ..

How much you can save? 10K? 100k? or 1Mil?
COVID-19 is your only concern to buy medical insurance? How about dengue? accident? other illness?

For long terms as specially coverage during old age I'll always say ILP medical is the best choice to invest early. As young as possible.

Unless you really tight budget, then I'll say start low better than zero. Get the standalone as is cheap during young age. But much less benefits and high cost when get aging. This is for short term plan.

As mentioned before. Latest update by 15th Mar 2020, 5 insurance companies give extra benefits for those affected by COVID-19.
Some need you to have certain criteria.
for GE, extra coverage given as long as your are GE policy holder. Regardless life / medical / traditional / stand alone / ILP / wholelife or special campaign..

Please refer to few post before for info. Or contact your agent for clarification.
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Invest in ILP??? This is the kind of agent who misled client.

ILP one will be paying more to get more coverage & etc and it's expected because it's already included in the cost of insurance + agent commission.

Stand alone do get lesser coverage and benefits but most agent will not even sell it. Whenever I ask for quote, all come back with the ILP if is not ILP they will show the most expensive stand alone medical card. If people would just learn about insurance they can do more with their money if invest or allocate wisely than buying unnecessary insurance protection included in ILP.

Sadly, very few agent is "honestly" looking after their client.

I recently made a claim for a MRI scan on my spine but due to policy is less than 2 years I have to pay first. Fair enough, so I pay and the claim is approved this month. From admission to discharge to submitting claim, there's no need for insurance agent to be involved due to most paper work is done by the hospital, doctor or the customer service for that insurance co.

Because of this claim, I found out HLA claim procedure is slow and ineffective. They ask for MAR but didn't call, email or sms to notify me. I have to called then only find out they need the MAR. They even told me they send the form by normal post which till today I still haven't received it yet. Luckily the customer service in HLA give a copy to me when i submitted the claim.

The pros on stand alone medical card for my children. It's that now I can switch to another insurance co. without worrying the "investment" portion is burn.

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post Mar 21 2020, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(ckdenion @ Mar 21 2020, 02:58 PM)
hi rapple, you are right on the agent misleading client part using the term "investing". basically when it comes to claims procedure, the main job of the agent is to represent you to do all the procedures. true enough that company wont call/email/sms to notify, they will only use hardcopy mail or directly inform the agent so it is the agent to follow up the required documents. Customer/agent need to follow up with the company regarding the claim status.
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At this era, a simple email would have done the job but yet they send out normal post that cost money and then the post takes weeks/months to arrived or worst lost.

I bought this HLA through FSM online. I know the agent is based in Penang but they didn't notified me either. That's just bad service from their side.

The claim experience is not bad but the normal post thing really piss me off. Anyway I will proceed to buy another medical card for my children while there are still under HLA coverage till Sep'2020..


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post Mar 21 2020, 03:43 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Mar 21 2020, 03:23 PM)
Only certain government hospital is catering for this at the moment to avoid spread of the virus.
ILP is basically allowing the insurance to invest part of the premium for some returns in the future so that it will be used to pay for your future cost of insurance.
Well it's really "luck" dependent when it comes to servicing, you either get a good or bad agent, but in this case since it's through FSM, I don't know if they even service you since commission is little to none. You pay for what you get I guess. Want some extra service ? Be willing to pay for it or DIY everything yourself.

as for investment, it's really subjective to whether you want to allow other people to invest it for you or you invest it yourself. If you're a good fund manager yourself, go ahead and invest your own money and buy a standalone insurance. smile.gif
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You are an agent. You are well aware that commission it's written into the contract. I know how much they get from 1st year till the 7th year and it's not like you say they get NOTHING.

A simple email from FSM is good enough if they get notified but I doubt they know either, since it's by normal post.

ILP it's not an investment. The premium paid after deducting commission and cost of insurance is meant for future use. If the cost of insurance increases, insurance co. can use the "balances previously" instead of increasing the insurance premium.

For ILP, you will get unlimited medical coverage so what.. Most people wouldn't even do a yearly medical check up for prevention and if there's a health problem most would try to ignore it and not faced it. When they really do something about it, maybe it's already too serious and too late.

A simple ulcer on skin after few years turn into BCC skin because of not wanting to eat medicine or consult any skin specialist. Luckily enough, she remove it last year with no serious implication after that. She is someone that is very dear to me.

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post May 4 2020, 06:16 PM

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QUOTE(rapple @ Mar 21 2020, 02:35 PM)
I recently made a claim for a MRI scan on my spine but due to policy is less than 2 years I have to pay first. Fair enough, so I pay and the claim is approved this month. From admission to discharge to submitting claim, there's no need for insurance agent to be involved due to most paper work is done by the hospital, doctor or the customer service for that insurance co.

Because of this claim, I found out HLA claim procedure is slow and ineffective. They ask for MAR but didn't call, email or sms to notify me. I have to called then only find out they need the MAR. They even told me they send the form by normal post which till today I still haven't received it yet. Luckily the customer service in HLA give a copy to me when i submitted the claim.

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So their request for Medical Attendance Report (MAR) letter finally arrived..

AFTER I've already submitted the MAR (find out by calling their claim dept.) and the claim has already been disbursed back to me in March.

I don't understand why insurance co. sent out letter by normal mail.
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post May 13 2020, 05:28 PM

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QUOTE(responsible poster @ May 13 2020, 12:28 PM)
the problem with getting life insurance via agent is that their products are always investment linked which doesn't seem to be very attractive.
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Yes most agent is like that. No matter how many times I told them I dont need that much medical coverage but they will still keep on HIGHLIGHTING whatever benefits that comes with the ILP which is not FREE in the first place.

Thought want to give a friend a little support (stand alone medical card) for 1 of my kid insurance but sadly they dont have it.


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post Jun 13 2020, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(0601430 @ Jun 12 2020, 04:41 PM)
yes, my agent got call the customer service line to ask also, and they hold his call on line for 2hours

the claim all is centralized in KL HQ right? i think if i go branch here also no use, waste of time coz they are not the one to process the claim... correct me if i were wrong

Edit: today my agent call twice to the customer service, same answer given, still in process, and ask to expedite the process
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When you submitted a claim, your agent supposed to received an email and also any request for more documentation. And you dont need to submit claim yourself since you paid him commission.

your agent is not doing his work.

I submitted my claim on 19th Feb and did all the follow up myselves. And get the payment back in March.

The only thing I dont like is insurance company is sending us normal post letter to request additional document but send email to the agent.
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post Jun 21 2020, 08:52 PM

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QUOTE(smokymcpot @ Jun 21 2020, 02:27 PM)
I am just wondering if there are things in there which I do not need and is it normal to have such high premiums at 26?  sweat.gif
I have had insurance with them since i was a teenager and just changed to smoker status officially.
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When agent "sell key point" they only mention standalone medical card is expensive when you are old (that is 30+ years later) but they didnt mention that ILP you pay more NOW.

The extra you paid NOW is to sustain the insurance cost when you are old.

High insurance coverage so its normal that you have to pay more. Nothing comes for free.
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post Jul 10 2020, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(adele123 @ Jul 9 2020, 06:38 PM)
i guess that's the outcome of it. while it may seem long ago, it is unlikely you get more favourable terms with other insurers or takaful operators.

i'm not expert on this health assessment, but i have to remind, there is a shared database among all insurers and takaful operators.

So, based on my guess, in future when you apply company P and or company A, you likely gonna get same restriction. this is just to safeguard themselves from potentially higher risk.

you have to try quite hard to have it removed, if you even can at all.
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I can 100% certain they shared database with each other.

I cancel GE ILP and move to stand alone medical card with HLA. HLA manage to find out my previous exclusion by GE.


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post Jul 15 2020, 01:31 PM

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QUOTE(whirlwind @ Jul 15 2020, 11:26 AM)
Yup, I’m assuming that if I apply for the new policy in January next year and it takes max 2 months to get it approved, by Mac I would have the new policy and I’ll get surrender my old policy by end of Mac
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Do take note 120 days is for certain sickness only.

There's another 2 years waiting period for other more serious illnesses.

I did a switch from GE to HLA, and because my policy is less than 2 year I had to pay first for my MRI scan on my spine..



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