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post Mar 23 2020, 11:56 AM

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Are there repercussions if I switch from ILP to Standalone? Im currently about 9 months in my ILP.
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post Mar 23 2020, 02:05 PM

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I've been told the COI for ILP is lower than Standalone but is that true? I understand that ILP has cash value and investment to offset the rise in cost compared to standalone. However, if we just look at COI perspective it is the same for both no?
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post Mar 23 2020, 06:46 PM

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QUOTE(GE-DavidK @ Mar 23 2020, 05:32 PM)
I couldn't check the exact insurance charges for standalone. Generally, standalone is much cheaper if you plan to pay for short term but will be more expensive than ILP in long term.
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but its more expensive because of COI rises much more for standalone than ILP? Or is it because ILP has investment portion to cover the increase in COI so its more cheaper?
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post May 30 2020, 05:59 PM

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Question for those with AIA,

For ILP the minimum monthly premium is RM150, however the selected option might be below RM150, lets say RM143. What does actually happen to the extra RM7 I would have to pay to meet the minimum premium?
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post May 30 2020, 06:48 PM

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QUOTE(Cyclopes @ May 30 2020, 06:02 PM)
Goes to your investment account, and invested in the Funds you have selected.
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QUOTE(lifebalance @ May 30 2020, 06:06 PM)
Nope, RM150 is the minimum amount to enter a policy with AIA.

For the extra amount, part of it goes to agent commission, investment, and fund management fees.
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So would it be better just to add on some coverage to meet the RM150, rather than paying extra for investment?

My AIA ILP plan was originally like this:

Health 6000
R&B Plan 200 (Deductible: 300)

RM143 Monthly Premium, would have to pay extra RM7 to meet monthly minimum.

Then, I added an extra coverage for HospitalIncome:

Health 6000
R&B Plan 200 (Deductible: 300)
HospitalIncome 100

RM153 Monthly Premium


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post May 30 2020, 10:40 PM

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QUOTE(Cyclopes @ May 30 2020, 08:49 PM)
With no benefit of other information, I will advice to take RM153. I assume your Life Planner has done the necessary in giving adequate and proper  advice.
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QUOTE(lifebalance @ May 30 2020, 09:34 PM)
uh, no ?

Because adding an additional benefit would mean increased cost, hence you are paying extra premium for it over the long term.

While not adding anything additional would mean your policy sustains longer.
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QUOTE(ckdenion @ May 30 2020, 09:56 PM)
hi SwarmTroll, how is it stated in the quotation that the selected option is RM143? maybe you can elaborate more?
if you think that the Hospital Income is something that will benefit you and you want it, then you can go for the RM153 one. else, choose the first option smile.gif
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I had discussions with my life planner and using the iPad I can see the monthly premium generated depending on whatever options I choose. So when I tried to go for something not expensive I ended up with RM143 monthly premium (Life 6000, R&B 200 (300 Deductible)). My concern was more towards the medical card only rather than the life hence I put life at almost absolute minimal, while I judge R&B 200 to be adequate enough for me. Since I was short of RM7 to meet the RM150 minimum monthly premium, I thought that it would be a waste to not add some form of rider to make the premium closer to RM150. I was recommended by my life planner to take the waiver extra but I decided for HospIncome 100 since I felt it would be more worth it (if I recall these two options have the same premium). Would you guys have recommended me something else?

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post May 30 2020, 11:35 PM

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QUOTE(ckdenion @ May 30 2020, 11:01 PM)
btw what is the sustainability for the plan if you opt for RM150/month?

say just this 2 benefits =  Life Insurance RM5,000 and RM200 R&B w/ RM1,500,000 Annual Limit , with a premium of RM140/month, the sustainability is 59~62 years old. I think it is actually ok that you go for the RM150/month.

or perhaps you can share more of your concerns?
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Its meant to be projected up to 80 years sustainability in the policy but of course that could easily change I suppose. My concern is if I just drop the HospIncome, would that RM7 be sort of wasted? But from what I gather from the feedback here, the extra RM7 does go to investment so it would increase sustainability. I guess I do not see any extra riders that would be of real use to me as compared to extra sustainability...
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post May 31 2020, 12:09 AM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ May 30 2020, 11:37 PM)
I would look for a more complete all-rounder coverage. Different people have their own plans. Your insurance agent should advise you, but it's up to you to take the action.

If you're looking for just medical alone then you should have opted for a standalone card instead of ILP.

Whether it's an issue of budget, personal choice, not sure what you're buying, have your own thoughts that opted you to choose the above for yourself. I don't know.
You're talking about life or medical ?
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Question, we would expect the COI of standalone medical to be higher than ILP during the later years. But shouldn't the COI rise approximately the same for both (assuming both have R&B 200)? If we do not look at ILP with its investment returns offsetting the increase in premium, the COI for both standalone and ILP would be about the same no? Sorry I just want to understand the concept here.
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post Jun 24 2020, 06:54 PM

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Hey Guys, any advice on getting a group/family medical card for 3 people? Adults aged 59, 56, and 20. Or is it better to get standalone for each 3?

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