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post Jan 7 2019, 08:30 PM, updated 4w ago

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In an effort to improve quality further, please state battery brand that has lasted 4 years or more as a bench mark.

To start the ball rolling

Brand : Century
Type : non maintenance free

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Bosch maintenance free

2+ years

Go maintenance free

Around 2 years
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post Jan 7 2019, 09:00 PM

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MF battery from Ford.

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1. century hybrid ns70l (non mf) present...... bought b4 gst
2. yokohama flattop ns70 (non mf) early 2000s
3. bosch ns60 (non mf) present...... bought b4 gst

i suspect the bosch is a rebadged panasonic as they have the same status indicator
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post Jan 7 2019, 09:32 PM

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This thread doesn't serve alot of purpose

Some ppl don't drive much
Some don't drive much at night
Some are arsehole on road nv put signal when turn or change lane which is majority of shit drivers
Nv open lights at night
Some are too kind and patient nv high beam ppl who are at fault or hazard to others or turtle on fast lane

Last but not least there's dashcam and other accessories
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Led saving lights

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post Jan 7 2019, 09:44 PM

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jan 7 2019, 08:30 PM)
In an effort to improve quality further, please state battery brand that has lasted 4 years or more as a bench mark.

To start the ball rolling

Brand : Century
Type : non maintenance free
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Century can last 4 years meh?? Are you a Century promoter?? 😂 Mine just less than 2.5 years and imho it's not a good battery. The only battery that lasted >4yrs for me was over 15 years ago and the brand no longer exists (I also forget already too). Nowadays all my batteries only lasted 2+years.
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post Jan 7 2019, 09:44 PM

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This has no purpose. 4 years plus are either old cars with no electronics or cars that batteries are located at the rear & far from heat. Stock battery Nissan Almera, E spec GS Yuasa (start stop type) 3yrs.
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post Jan 7 2019, 09:51 PM

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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Jan 7 2019, 09:44 PM)
Century can last 4 years meh?? Are you a Century promoter?? 😂 Mine just less than 2.5 years and imho it's not a good battery. The only battery that lasted >4yrs for me was over 15 years ago and  the brand no longer exists (I also forget already too). Nowadays all my batteries only lasted 2+years.
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Nope not a promoter. Since my father-in-law trusted Century, I just followed on that's all. The previous Century lasted to just 4 years, which surprised the distributor as well. Now on another Century and hopefully it will lasts for another 4 years too.

Speedys3210 reply with Century on Post # 4 should be more or less 4 years, I suspect.

Only after buying a new Century battery, I've read somewhere on this forum that Amaron lasts a cool 7 years. Curious today I walked into Amaron's dealers and the dealer said this after hearing what I've said about 7 years lifespan, "Its hard to say, some couple of months, some its 1-2 years, some its couple of years. Depends on luck."

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QUOTE(speedy3210 @ Jan 7 2019, 09:25 PM)
1. century hybrid ns70l (non mf) present...... bought b4 gst
2. yokohama flattop ns70 (non mf) early 2000s
3. bosch ns60 (non mf) present...... bought b4 gst

i suspect the bosch is a rebadged panasonic as they have the same status indicator
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You could be right on the rebadging thing. Outsourcing among certain production practices is not uncommon, instead of creating wastages if other has achieved higher efficiency.

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post Jan 7 2019, 11:37 PM

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jan 7 2019, 09:51 PM)
Nope not a promoter. Since my father-in-law trusted Century, I just followed on that's all. The previous Century lasted to just 4 years, which surprised the distributor as well. Now on another Century and hopefully it will lasts for another 4 years too.

Speedys3210 reply with Century on Post # 4 should be more or less 4 years, I suspect.

Only after buying a new Century battery, I've read somewhere on this forum that Amaron lasts a cool 7 years. Curious today I walked into Amaron's dealers and the dealer said this after hearing what I've said about 7 years lifespan, "Its hard to say, some couple of months, some its 1-2 years, some its couple of years. Depends on luck."
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What cars are you using? Honestly my first Century was the Marathoner and I'm disappointed with it and will never buy it again. It lasted over 2 years for my car with countless jump starts within that duration coz I didn't use the car for 5-7 days. Now I'm trying the Century Ultramax which is supposed to be their best model and it is better but not by much. It also already need to be jump started a few times, not yet 1.5 yrs though.

I also often hear recommendations for Amaron but never hear that they can last 7 years! Maybe next change I will try this brand but I will not try Century anymore, not even their Ultramax.
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Varta, come with the car. 5.5 years 110k km still running strong.
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Stock Vios 2016 with dashcam+USB 5V 2.1A
Exactly 2 years, 50k KM
Battery didn't die, but SA suggest to replace. I can feel the difference for Start/Stop engine after change battery.

Now it's habit for me to press Start/Stop button 2 times, before pressing brake pedal & Start.
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Varta stock 7yrs..plus
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post Jan 8 2019, 07:27 AM

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QUOTE(VeeJay @ Jan 8 2019, 12:38 AM)
Varta stock 7yrs..plus
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What car?
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Most of the long lasting battery cases always found on manual transmission & low usage vehicles

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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Jan 7 2019, 09:44 PM)
Century can last 4 years meh?? Are you a Century promoter?? 😂 Mine just less than 2.5 years and imho it's not a good battery. The only battery that lasted >4yrs for me was over 15 years ago and  the brand no longer exists (I also forget already too). Nowadays all my batteries only lasted 2+years.
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My Century unit lasted up to 5 years on my son Persona - that time mileage already 100K
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2011 passat cc 2.0
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Battery technology has taken a huge leap recently. Many of you experienced batt life of less than 2 years. Well there are new & better batts in the market now. It all how much you want to pay.

New batts are EFB & AGM

AGM is the best and could cost $2k+. These could last 7years or more!
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QUOTE(VeeJay @ Jan 8 2019, 10:26 AM)
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With heat insulation and regular charging or not ?

I know batteries in BMW or Merc can last long on models with battery located at the boot which is far from engine heat, something like 7-8 years max.

I recently wrapped all of my cars' batteries, and do regular charging with my Bosch C7, hopefully it can last long.

On my previous Audi A6, the battery lasted the full 5 years when I sold it off in August, state of health ("SOH") rated at 70% when I sold it. Still being used by the new owner.
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QUOTE(4WD_er @ Jan 8 2019, 10:44 AM)
With heat insulation and regular charging or not ?

I know batteries in BMW or Merc can last long on models with battery located at the boot which is far from engine heat, something like 7-8 years max.

I recently wrapped all of my cars' batteries, and do regular charging with my Bosch C7, hopefully it can last long. 

On my previous Audi A6, the battery lasted the full 5 years when I sold it off in August, state of health ("SOH") rated at 70% when I sold it.  Still being used by the new owner.
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no, i didnt insulate, everything is kept stock on the car...but its good to have insulation as you mentioned, especially our hot weather here, which kills battery life faster.

From my personal experience battery sold here are just lower in quality and spec, hence in average local battery last only about 2 years.

When i use to live in US, most of the batteries came with 3-5 years warranty, they hardly die
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QUOTE(VeeJay @ Jan 8 2019, 10:26 AM)
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Oh... contis! Usually, they are last very long as their battery is located at the boot area and not engine bay.

My beemer is now 6 years and still going strong! (I hope! haha)
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post Jan 8 2019, 12:03 PM

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none of my batteries lasted more than 2 years.. lol..
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QUOTE(overfloe @ Jan 8 2019, 12:03 PM)
none of my batteries lasted more than 2 years.. lol..
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There was a time Century batteries used to last just until the warranty was over, until I found this forum. Sifting through countless posts it's soon apparent that proper care & maintenance is required to maintain the state of health over a longer duration.

Since putting things into practice I've managed to prolong the Century battery to the 4 year mark compared to all previous Century batteries in the past.

The idea of this thread is to collect data to identify batteries that generally last more than 4 years, however having said that I still would want to change battery once it reaches the 4 year mark due to various other reasons.

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QUOTE(SKYjack @ Jan 8 2019, 10:43 AM)
Battery technology has taken a huge leap recently. Many of you experienced batt life of less than 2 years. Well there are new & better batts in the market now. It all how much you want to pay.

New batts are EFB & AGM

AGM is the best and could cost $2k+. These could last 7years or more!
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Thank you very much for such invaluable information. Never knew that battery had made such leap in technology. Will keep an eye out for EFB & AGM batteries. 👍🏻
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QUOTE(VeeJay @ Jan 8 2019, 10:57 AM)
no, i didnt insulate, everything is kept stock on the car...but its good to have insulation as you mentioned, especially our hot weather here, which kills battery life faster.

From my personal experience battery sold here are just lower in quality and spec, hence in average local battery last only about 2 years.

When i use to live in US, most of the batteries came with 3-5 years warranty, they hardly die
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Hi VeeJay,

The US 3-5 years Warranty, does that apply to states like Hawaii & southern Florida too ?
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jan 8 2019, 01:44 PM)
There was a time Century batteries used to last just until the warranty was over, until I found this forum. Sifting through countless posts it's soon apparent that proper care & maintenance is required to maintain the state of health over a longer duration.

Since putting things into practice I've managed to prolong the Century battery to the 4 year mark compared to all previous Century batteries in the past.

The idea of this thread is to collect data to identify batteries that generally last more than 4 years, however having said that I still would want to change battery once it reaches the 4 year mark due to various other reasons.
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i guess one of the contributing of my short battery life is the need to switch on the lights when traveling to work and home as well as start-stop traffic.
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QUOTE(overfloe @ Jan 8 2019, 01:33 PM)
i guess one of the contributing of my short battery life is the need to switch on the lights when traveling to work and home as well as start-stop traffic.
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Since you wrote about Start-Stop, does this feature the Start-Stop button reduces the battery lifespan too ?
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jan 8 2019, 12:59 PM)
Hi VeeJay,

The US 3-5 years Warranty, does that apply to states like Hawaii & southern Florida too ?
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Sorry mate no idea on Hawaii but any state, its pretty much the same since the carrier and the brand is the same, hence the warranty even oem brand like AAA (similar to our AAM) also has 6 years of warranty


QUOTE(overfloe @ Jan 8 2019, 01:33 PM)
i guess one of the contributing of my short battery life is the need to switch on the lights when traveling to work and home as well as start-stop traffic.
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I grew up as mandatory headlights, hence, i had always turned my lights during my drive. During drive, the supply comes from alternator and not the battery. battery comes to play during startup and when idle for a long time.
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i tot most car battery can last is around 2 years
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QUOTE(janggutbiru @ Jan 8 2019, 02:28 PM)
i tot most car battery can last is around 2 years
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That's what I thought too until I showed 2 individuals the Century battery that lasted for 4 years. That's what they would like us to think, but we really have to think out of the box !
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yokohama,century,bosch all lasted 2 or less than 2 years in my experience,there's once a capalang brand that lasted me 4 years+ in my kelisa
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anyone using AMARON? heard the battery lasted for 4 yrs +
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QUOTE(zyde @ Jan 9 2019, 09:54 PM)
anyone using AMARON? heard the battery lasted for 4 yrs +
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I've heard that Amaron lasts for a solid 7 years. Yeah I going to try Amaron out on my next purchase, once my newly purchase Century expires in 4 years time or any other Century that expires.
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jan 8 2019, 12:44 PM)
There was a time Century batteries used to last just until the warranty was over, until I found this forum. Sifting through countless posts it's soon apparent that proper care & maintenance is required to maintain the state of health over a longer duration.

Since putting things into practice I've managed to prolong the Century battery to the 4 year mark compared to all previous Century batteries in the past.

The idea of this thread is to collect data to identify batteries that generally last more than 4 years, however having said that I still would want to change battery once it reaches the 4 year mark due to various other reasons.
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How do you prolong your battery life. Mind to share your battery maintenance procedure ? Tq
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QUOTE(senscents @ Jan 10 2019, 12:20 AM)
How do you prolong your battery life. Mind to share your battery maintenance procedure ? Tq
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That's a very good question that needs a well thought & laid out answer. Will reply you again once I've straightened out my thoughts.

Warning ⚠️ I am no battery expert but since I've managed to hit the 4 year mark, now I want to try hitting the 7 year mark for battery lifespan. If that possible, I could increase the replacement battery period from 3 years to 5 years before the battery dies out.

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How do you prolong your battery life. Mind to share your battery maintenance procedure ? Tq
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Battery FAQ
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2.WHAT CAUSES CAR BATTERY TO DIE QUICKLY?
Too Many Short Drives: If you are always taking short drives, this may be the causing your battery life to end too soon. If you keep on starting and stopping your car before your alternator has time to recharge, this would account for the reason why your car battery keeps dying and isn't last as long as it should.

Faulty Charging System: The battery is charged by an alternator(driven by a belt from the engine). If there is something wrong with the system, your car battery could be dying too soon.

Extreme Hot Temperatures: Hot weather can drain the life out of your car's battery. Build-up of lead sulfate crystals can occur when leaving your vehicle in high temperature for too long.The sulfate build-up can shorten the life of your battery and increase the amount of time it needs to be recharged.

Vibration: Vibrations from rough travel or a poorly-secured battery can shake loose or damage the plates.

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QUOTE(exeon @ Jan 10 2019, 11:03 AM)
TQ 'exeon' for Battery FAQ.

Never heard of vibration being an issue before but I reckon it should be with the hazardous chemical inside. A real big problem.
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jan 10 2019, 11:36 AM)
TQ 'exeon' for Battery FAQ.

Never heard of vibration being an issue before but I reckon it should be with the hazardous chemical inside. A real big problem.
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Haha I gained knowledge too after reading this.
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jan 10 2019, 09:54 AM)
That's a very good question that needs a well thought & laid out answer. Will reply you again once I've straightened out my thoughts.

Warning ⚠️ I am no battery expert but since I've managed to hit the 4 year mark, now I want to try hitting the 7 year mark for battery lifespan. If that possible, I could increase the replacement battery period from 3 years to 5 years before the battery dies out.
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Since you are the few, that can achieve longer battery life of >4 years, Pls do share your maintenance. Thanks
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Thanks for sharing.
What constitute short distance? 10km, 20km, 30km ?
Mostly i'm driving around 20+km to and back 20+km . Does it consider short distance ?
Battery life app 15-18 months need to change. 🤔
In Malaysia, the weather can consider hot but not as hot as some other countries. Where as the battery life are much longer life span.
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I think its better to break up the answer into parts and prioritize them in a logical sequence, instead of cramping everything into 1 answer.

NO # 1 SELECT BEST WARRANTY TO BEGIN WITH

Like everything else, start with the best quality you can afford similar to genetics. A battery that offered with a good warranty means the manufacturer stands by the product it makes and vice verse.

My benchmark is that battery warranties that don't even pass 18 months warranty is not considered, just my elimination technique of weeding out low quality stuffs.

Today a friend of mine battery wouldn't fire up and it's only 5 months old !!! Warranty was for 1 year. I could write about further crazier testimonies on this but it only solidifies the point on beginning with a good quality battery.

Note : I've used only Century for so long that I don't even remember if I had used other models before. So my experience will be exclusively on 1 particular brand only albeit a limited one.

Successes are 1 Century died after touching the 4 year mark. Another Century just passed a 3 year mark. Previous attempts or should I say no attempts, all died after the warranty period. The manufacturer's are very smart people.

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Battery very sensitive to heat. If battery is located inside the front bonnet, it won't last long. Max also 2 years if lucky.

If located underneath the rear seats or rear boot, easily 4-5 years.
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QUOTE(acbc @ Jan 10 2019, 07:41 PM)
Battery very sensitive to heat. If battery is located inside the front bonnet, it won't last long. Max also 2 years if lucky.

If located underneath the rear seats or rear boot, easily 4-5 years.
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Very true indeed, that's why all my earlier batteries died within the 2 year mark because of the heat. The real question is how do we go about circumventing this issue since my batteries are located in the engine bay. 😂

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Ori hilux yuasa battery , lasted 4 year plus..
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I bet the model which you are using is 95D31L (17 plates per cell) not the regular N70ZL (75D31L) which is 15 plates per cell.

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jan 10 2019, 07:45 PM)
Very true indeed, that's why all my earlier batteries died within the 2 year mark because of the heat. The real question is how do we go about circumventing this issue since my batteries are located in the engine bay. 😂
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Relocate to rear boot. Can DIY. Parts sold on Lozada.

U need a battery post and some welding cables. Also a battery box with ventilation.
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QUOTE(acbc @ Jan 10 2019, 07:41 PM)
Battery very sensitive to heat. If battery is located inside the front bonnet, it won't last long. Max also 2 years if lucky.

If located underneath the rear seats or rear boot, easily 4-5 years.
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Partially true but not absolute. As I mentioned previously, mine had passed 7yrs and still running well. If thats the case it would have died earlier.

While in US, most of my car easily passed 5-6yrs, yeah its cold country but engine heat is is engine heat, especially from mid spring till mid fall, the weather do get hot and at times hotter than MY.

To me, the majority of the battery here just lack the quality, hence many dare not give more than 18months warranty.
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QUOTE(acbc @ Jan 10 2019, 08:13 PM)
Relocate to rear boot. Can DIY. Parts sold on Lozada.

U need a battery post and some welding cables. Also a battery box with ventilation.
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TQ for the tip. Now I know where the guy got it from. 🤣

Just that I am not good with DIY and no wireman hence am extremely cautious about adding wires into a vehicle because faulty wires, unapproved wires etc could easily catch fire. This is way way above me already. So I had to work around this limitation.



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NO # 2 : MODERATE TEMPERATURE FOR MAXIMUM PERFORMANCE

It's common knowledge that extreme temperatures reduces the lifespan of lead acid batteries, I won't go into details about chemical reactions etc but I will state what I had done under existing circumstances (battery in the engine bay) being in a tropical country.

Cars that have their battery located in places other than the engine bay, the battery seems to be able to hold out longer than those in the engine Bay Area. Besides my father-in-law very old Toyota Corona with exceptionally large bonnet allows maximum Ventilation within a confined space as compared to modern smaller cars.

NOTE : Hence I strongly believe & suspect the key word is PROLONGED EXPOSURE TO EXTREME TEMPERATURES which actually reduces its lifespan.

A) INSULATE THE BATTERY - Having an insulator in place helps cut the heat being radiated to the battery drastically.

B) OPEN UP THE BONNET FOR MAXIMUM AERATION & HEAT DISSIPATION - After most of my drives where permissible, I will open up my bonnet even to the Service Center for the engine bay to cool faster. The Service Advisor was like "What's wrong with your car ? Why the bonnet open up ?" I just smiled and replied "Nothing just admiring the engine." 😆

C) DURING DRIVING THE BONNET IS UNLOCK BUT LATCHED POSITON - I been reminded so many times by countless good motorists but I believe with the speed I am going the bonnet has NOT flung open wide. Certified not an F1 driver. This is to allow better air flow. However I have been thinking about another alternative to this that is air intake manifold (is that the proper term) like those American muscle cars to force feed air into the engine Bay Area that all. Since my cars ain't got no muscle, those manifold really looks out of place.

D) PARK IN A SHADED AREA - This is just to cut heat buildup inside the engine bay. 3 of my cars has shaded car park but unfortunately for 1 car, hence that Century ain't goin last as the other 3 that's in the shade.

All these will sound crazy to the unintiated but in my quest I really have to test out these crazy ideas and the strange thing is that it has worked for me. It not one size fit all solution, cause I cannot expect those staying in apartments to sit beside their car just to cool down before going home.

We are all faced with different sets of limitation just that we have to constantly figure out & try out until we find what works.

Although the suggestion to locate the battery to other parts in the car beside the engine bay is a good one especially for DIY forummers, this got me thinking some other related problems since I am on non-MF Batteries. If it's located inside the cabin, the gases produce is highly flammable right ? Even if it's moved to the boot, vapors could still travel into the cabin area right ? Manufactures that have batteries located elsewhere must have found a solution to this. I am just a regular bloke with 0 knowledge on batteries or cars, shifting battery is definately a good idea but it's just way above me abt this moment. Need to build up on my Kung-fu skills before I even dare to accept this challenge.

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jan 11 2019, 11:34 AM)
NOTICE : STILL BEING EDITED

NO # 2 : MODERATE TEMPERATURE FOR MAXIMUM PERFORMANCE

It's common knowledge that extreme temperatures reduces the lifespan of lead acid batteries, I won't go into details about chemical reactions etc but I will state what I had done under existing circumstances (battery in the engine bay) being in a tropical country.

Cars that have their battery located in places other than the engine bay, the battery seems to be able to hold out longer than those in the engine Bay Area. Besides my father-in-law very old Toyota Corona with exceptionally large bonnet allows maximum Ventilation within a confined space as compared to modern smaller cars.

NOTE : I believe the key word is PROLONGED EXPOSURE TO EXTREME TEMPERATURES which actually reduces its lifespan.

A) INSULATE THE BATTERY - Having an insulator in place helps cut the heat being radiated to the battery drastically.

B) OPEN UP THE BONNET FOR MAXIMUM AERATION & HEAT DISSIPATION - After most of my drives where permissible, I will open up my bonnet even to the Service Center for the engine bay to cool faster.

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NO # 2 : MODERATE TEMPERATURE FOR MAXIMUM PERFORMANCE

NOTE : Hence I strongly believe & suspect the key word is PROLONGED EXPOSURE TO EXTREME TEMPERATURES which actually reduces its lifespan.

A) INSULATE THE BATTERY .

B) OPEN UP THE BONNET FOR MAXIMUM AERATION & HEAT DISSIPATION -." 😆

C) DURING DRIVING THE BONNET IS UNLOCK BUT LATCHED POSITON -

D) PARK IN A SHADED AREA
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NO # 3 : MAINTENANCE, MAINTENANCE & MORE MAINTENANCE.

Crazy as it sounds, who on earth maintains their car batteries but this is often overlook even by me, before but not anymore, not anymore.

NOTE : non-maintenance free Century battery used.

A) KEEP WATER 💦 LEVELS UP - I am guilty as charged and since I know better now, hopefully I won't screw up in the future again.

B) INSPECT & CLEAN POSTS & TERMINALS - Any gunk that's forming at the contact points must be cleaned off. Wire brush or sand down the posts & terminals for a completely clean contact. This is so important.

B) REMOVE & WASH DOWN THE BATTERY - Simple act of cleaning the battery removes any possibility small leakages or discharges from the battery itself. Thereafter wipe it down with a dry cloth and leave to completely air dry before reinstalling back firmly into its position.

C) BUY & INSTALL BATTERY CAP COVER - To prevent the hazardous material from damaging the underneath of your metal bonnet.

D) FINALLY BUY BATTERY CHARGER (I don't have one yet as now I am learning about them to find out which is most suitable) - Keeping the battery in fully charged condition constantly seems to me is the only way in prolonging the lifespan of the batteries to 7-8 year mark at least that what's written in their advertisement.

It's sure a step up for me if I can extend the battery lifespan from 4 years to 6,7 or 8 years with the soon to be purchased charger.

WARNING ⚠️ Safety precautions must be adhered too at all times like goggles & gloves. Remember no rings & necklaces or chain etc.

P/S : Finally modern car already has to much electronics that's zapping the life out of the battery already and if I want to prolong its lifespan I shouldn't be adding anymore strain or burden other than necessary e.g. locking the car manually and not engaging the alarm 🚨.

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This is an important step in NO # 1.

Always check the manufacturer's website on the latest list of authorized distributors first, before proceeding to purchase your next battery from them.

That's it I guess and hopefully with those basic steps you too can improve your odds in increasing your battery lifespan.

I remember there was a question somewhere about how many cars I have. Well under my charge directly there are 5 cars Toyota, Kia, Proton & Peroduas. Indirectly there are Nissan, Subaru & more Peroduas & Protons.

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QUOTE(speedy3210 @ Jan 7 2019, 09:25 PM)
1. century hybrid ns70l (non mf) present...... bought b4 gst
2. yokohama flattop ns70 (non mf) early 2000s
3. bosch ns60 (non mf) present...... bought b4 gst

i suspect the bosch is a rebadged panasonic as they have the same status indicator
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Bro, this caught my eye your Yokohama battery has been in service since 2000 ? That's like 18 years ! The others are equally impressive too and they are non-MF too. 😳

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QUOTE(Jessieccy @ Jan 7 2019, 09:44 PM)
This has no purpose. 4 years plus are either old cars with no electronics or cars that batteries are located at the rear & far from heat. Stock battery Nissan Almera, E spec GS Yuasa (start stop type) 3yrs.
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What cars are you using? Honestly my first Century was the Marathoner and I'm disappointed with it and will never buy it again. It lasted over 2 years for my car with countless jump starts within that duration coz I didn't use the car for 5-7 days. Now I'm trying the Century Ultramax which is supposed to be their best model and it is better but not by much. It also already need to be jump started a few times, not yet 1.5 yrs though.

I also often hear recommendations for Amaron but never hear that they can last 7 years! Maybe next change I will try this brand but I will not try Century anymore, not even their Ultramax.
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After sifting through many threads and taking notes, I've come to realize that the Marathoner has so many terrible reviews against 1 positive review only on this forum.

At this moment top on the list for the highest recommended battery brand on this forum has to go to Varta, second its Amaron. However there was only 1 testimony by Veejay, if I am not mistaken, that his Varta battery has lasted 7 years.

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True, that goes to any battery, extreme heat is a battery killer! smile.gif
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After sifting through many threads and taking notes, I've come to realize that the Marathoner has so many terrible reviews against 1 positive review only on this forum. 

At this moment top on the list for the highest recommended battery brand on this forum has to go to Varta, second its Amaron. However there was only 1 testimony by Veejay, if I am not mistaken, that his Varta battery has lasted 7 years.
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Varta is a very famous old brand, kind of premium brand for battery so not surprised if it's very good coz the price is also probably one of the most expensive and not many people sell it also. Amaron is relatively much newer brand but in the last few years has been the most popular in terms of recommendations and also a bit on the premium side in terms of pricing even though maybe not as expensive as Varta.
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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Jan 12 2019, 10:25 AM)
Varta is a very famous old brand, kind of premium brand for battery so not surprised if it's very good coz the price is also probably one of the most expensive and not many people sell it also. Amaron is relatively much newer brand but in the last few years has been the most popular in terms of recommendations and also a bit on the premium side in terms of pricing even though maybe not as expensive as Varta.
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TQVM 6UE5T for the info. Have been a faithful Century for far too long until I've ignored too much of the good stuffs around. I will definately be targeting either the Varta or the Amaron for my new car since it must be worth its weight in gold for many.


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Bro, I've got a question about your Varta battery right ? Did you bring this back directly from the US when you returned ? Is it MF or non-MF ?
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no it came with the car. passat cc is a CBU model hence the varta is a germany made
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Bro, this caught my eye your Yokohama battery has been in service since 2000 ? That's like 18 years ! The others are equally impressive too and they are non-MF too. 😳
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Sorry.... didnt type properly there...... i meant the battery was bought in early 200s and has served me for 4yrs.
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jan 12 2019, 12:15 AM)
NO # 3 : MAINTENANCE, MAINTENANCE & MORE MAINTENANCE.

Crazy as it sounds, who on earth maintains their car batteries but this is often overlook even by me, before but not anymore, not anymore.

NOTE : non-maintenance free Century battery used.

A) KEEP WATER 💦 LEVELS UP - 

B) INSPECT & CLEAN POSTS & TERMINALS -

B) REMOVE & WASH DOWN THE BATTERY -

C) BUY & INSTALL BATTERY CAP COVER -


D) FINALLY BUY BATTERY CHARGER (I don't have one yet as now I am learning about them to find out which is most suitable) -

P/S : Finally modern car already has to much electronics that's zapping the life out of the battery already and if I want to prolong its lifespan I shouldn't be adding anymore strain or burden other than necessary e.g. locking the car manually and not engaging the alarm 🚨.
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A) Actually in real life, it is not only about watching if the electrolyte level dipping low, but also about NOT OVERFILLING. Most, if not all of my previous non-MF batts for the past 22yrs were killed by overfilling. All thanks to overzealous mechs. Since mid-2000s, i hv developed a habit of telling the mech (both boss and the 1 attending to my cars) to keep their hands off my spark plugs, coolant and batteries. These items are religiously checked by me periodically. Every time they touched it, there will be symptoms of weak battery, squashed washer (over torqued) and over diluted coolant.

B) Not neccessary...... I hv only experienced this on yesteryear batts. Have not seen this problem for the past 10-12yrs.

C) Not necessary...... have never done this, maybe only during that pre-CNY detailing job package

D) As per (B)

E) No need think, just buy if can afford....... Had a Ctek XS4003 ( now dead) and now using a Yokohama YB-10P (stopped production). Best investment ever. Don't buy those desulphator. Current logical choice is Bosch C3 (lower ampere) or C7 (higher ampere).

For the p/s part, that is the reason why I bought a charger. With it, you dont have to skimp on security just to save charge. Most user without the charger will not understand the advantage of having 1 until they hook up a charger to the battery. the charging indicators will give a glimpse of the condition of the battery. You will be surprised with the charge level on even a daily (80km) driven car battery.
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A)  Actually in real life, it is not only about watching if the electrolyte level dipping low, but also about NOT OVERFILLING. Most, if not all of my previous non-MF batts for the past 22yrs were killed by overfilling. All thanks to overzealous mechs. Since mid-2000s, i hv developed a habit of telling the mech (both boss and the 1 attending to my cars) to keep their hands off my spark plugs, coolant and batteries. These items are religiously checked by me periodically. Every time they touched it, there will be symptoms of weak battery, squashed washer (over torqued) and over diluted coolant.

B)  Not neccessary...... I hv only experienced this on yesteryear batts. Have not seen this problem for the past 10-12yrs.

C)  Not necessary...... have never done this, maybe only during that pre-CNY detailing job package

D)  As per (B)

E)   No need think, just buy if can afford.......   Had a Ctek XS4003 ( now dead) and now using a Yokohama YB-10P (stopped production). Best investment ever. Don't buy those desulphator. Current logical choice is Bosch C3 (lower ampere) or C7 (higher ampere).

For the p/s part, that is the reason why I bought a charger. With it, you dont have to skimp on security just to save charge. Most user without the charger will not understand the advantage of having 1 until they hook up a charger to the battery. the charging indicators will give a glimpse of the condition of the battery. You will be surprised with the charge level on even a daily (80km) driven car battery.
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Spot on bro.

Now thinking about your point on OVERFILLING issue if it's controlled & done properly probably would save out on B), C) & D) I guess.

I saw a YouTube video, the American technician had a real cool tool that's allows one to fill exactly without worrying about overfill or underfill. Too bad this great tool can't be found here, as it takes away lot of the guesswork out in filling up non-MF battery.

Thank you for your insights unto battery chargers. It's a new world for me. Recently made a trip to Ace Hardware MidValley to look for anything that's related to battery maintenance. Got myself a Digital Multimeter with a nice large LCD screen and had a wireman to test out the multimeter back home. The unit is fine but it's not reading the voltage on a new battery. Now have to plan for a next trip to KL again to exchange this for something else.

I hope I don't screwup with a CTEK charger purchase like what I did with the Multimeter purchase. Real headache 🤕 especially for me being new in this field. Now trying to learn up everything about these chargers, it's like groping about in the dark. 😂

For testing the battery, shouldn't I be getting a Battery Load Tester too ? Or with these charger, it's unnecessary to get another Battery Load Tester ?

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Sorry.... didnt type properly there...... i meant the battery was bought in early 200s and has served me for 4yrs.
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It did seem back then that you've broken the frontiers with battery maintenance and that would be my next goal after I've breached the 6/7 year mark with those battery charger. It was nice.

If you didn't let the cat out of the bag, I would probably end up all my life thinking how in the world 🌎 did you pull that off.
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Spot on bro.

Now thinking about your point on OVERFILLING issue if it's controlled & done properly probably would save out on B), C) & D) I guess.

I saw a YouTube video, the American technician had a real cool tool that's allows one to fill exactly without worrying about overfill or underfill. Too bad this great tool can't be found here, as it takes away lot of the guesswork out in filling up non-MF battery.

Thank you for your insights unto battery chargers. It's a new world for me. Recently made a trip to Ace Hardware MidValley to look for anything that's related to battery maintenance. Got myself a Digital Multimeter with a nice large LCD screen and had a wireman to test out the multimeter back home. The unit is fine but it's not reading the voltage on a new battery. Now have to plan for a next trip to KL again to exchange this for something else.

I hope I don't screwup with a CTEK charger purchase like what I did with the Multimeter purchase. Real headache 🤕 especially for me being new in this field. Now trying to learn up everything about these chargers, it's like groping about in the dark. 😂

For testing the battery, shouldn't I be getting a Battery Load Tester too ? Or with these charger, it's unnecessary to get another Battery Load Tester ?
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I think Bosch C7 has better value for money compared to Ctek. Reason being C7 has a higher ampere rating; significantly faster at bulk charging stage than lower rated chargers. Don't have to be overly obsessed with brands. Somemore Bosch has presence locally, support should be easier.

I don't think you need to have a load tester, quite an overkill for end-user unless one is very anal or has OCD. After operating the charger and getting to know the charging pattern, you will learn to "predict" the health status of the battery, like a load tester; things like charging time for bulk and absorption stage.

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I think Bosch C7 has better value for money compared to Ctek. Reason being C7 has a higher ampere rating; significantly faster at bulk charging stage than lower rated chargers. Don't have to be overly obsessed with brands. Somemore Bosch has presence locally, support should be easier.

I don't think you need to have a load tester, quite an overkill for end-user unless one is very anal or has OCD. After operating the charger and getting to know the charging pattern, you will learn to  "predict" the health status of the battery, like a load tester; things like charging time for bulk and absorption stage.

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Thank you for your kind advise Speedy3210. Will keep Bosch in view now. Customer Support is very important without it, it's like those new fighter jets that can fly no longer. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

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Back to topic, I will regularly update the following from time to time that's based on specific criteria just to observe batteries performance. Nevertheless, brands that are not listed, either has not been reviewed or just don't make the cut or is no longer in the market e.g. Yokohama.

Battery Brand (Seal of approval)
1. Varta (5 votes)
2. Century (4 votes)

It's fascinating reading between the lines, it appears that there were Battery Wars going behind the scenes among the battery players. Whatever it is, I trust the battery war will not stop but hope that players in the industry places importance on improvement & quality in their products which will eventually set them apart as a Trusted Brand and not like some fly by night operator out for a quick buck.

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Just change my cx5(non start stop) with a varta sliver efb . I really feel the difference engine start up much quicker and the battery recovers fast. Because if you let go of the brakes when the car is starting , the car just stops starting... and when you start again with the stock battery the car sounds like its struggling but with my new varta a big wow la really got different. Going to change my h city battery soon to varta

Currently having a century in my city about 1.6 years, i will charge all my car battery at least once a week with bosch c7 . Did this to my stock cx5 battery i think the brand is call delco? Lasted about 2.6 years

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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Jan 12 2019, 10:25 AM)
Varta is a very famous old brand, kind of premium brand for battery so not surprised if it's very good coz the price is also probably one of the most expensive and not many people sell it also. Amaron is relatively much newer brand but in the last few years has been the most popular in terms of recommendations and also a bit on the premium side in terms of pricing even though maybe not as expensive as Varta.
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Yes you are correct indeed Varta is truly an established brand after some digging. The name Varta literally means "Made in Germany 🇩🇪 " in the German language. Now I just have to figure out how to get them out from Germany, once I received final confirmation from a Switzerlander on Varta. I cannot miss this up! 🤣

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jan 13 2019, 04:51 PM)
Back to topic, I will regularly update the following from time to time that's based on specific criteria just to observe batteries performance. Nevertheless, brands that are not listed, either has not been reviewed or just don't make the cut or is no longer in the market e.g. Yokohama.

Battery Brand (Seal of approval)
1. Varta (5 votes)
2. Century (4 votes)

It's fascinating reading between the lines, it appears that there were Battery Wars going behind the scenes among the battery players. Whatever it is, I trust the battery war will not stop but hope that players in the industry places importance on improvement & quality in their products which will eventually set them apart as a Trusted Brand and not like some fly by night operator out for a quick buck.
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Since this is a discussion on battery longevity, I think you can channel you energy to another aspect of battery, instead of brands. The aspect I wish to highlight is the battery plate material/composition. Try reading the link below.

http://www.necon.co.za/batttech.php?w=1368&h=912#openModal

Back to your battery choice. I would advice that you measure your car alternator's voltage when it is HOT, say after 30mins of driving. Easier to do this by having those plug-in voltmeter at the lighter port. Match the output voltage with the type of battery that has closest required charging voltage.

The problem with battery market nowadays is companies market their products according to price point, not suitability. Calsium batts are really good at CCA, hence the experience shared by many in here. Silver batts too. But the question is, is your car's charging system built to support that kind of batteries? Again this will explain a lot of the experience shared by users here; short battery life, due to the charging system can't charge other, unexpected type of batteries that the car manufacturer didn't expect its users to use.

For this sole reason, I continued to use non-MF battery in my cars. As I have measured and monitored alternators output of my cars, and they tend to stay at lead-antimony level when fully warmed up.

Hope this info helps in your search for longlife battery.
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I just visited a shop in Segambut KL where they sell all arranges of batteries etc.

They informed me that Varta can also be made in Korea in particularly the blue series. Silver series are made in Europe.

No one seems to talk about Amaron? I have been using it in my other car and I just changed to Amaron in daily driver. So far so good with Amaron.
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I just visited a shop in Segambut KL where they sell all arranges of batteries etc.

They informed me that Varta can also be made in Korea in particularly the blue series. Silver series are made in Europe.

No one seems to talk about Amaron? I have been using it in my other car and I just changed to Amaron in daily driver. So far so good with Amaron.
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That's because Amaron, I understand just burst into the picture and now that it's being tested by many, in time to come the reviews will come to.

I am monitoring an Amaron too and it's been like 9 months only. So like you've said, "So far so good with Amaron." I hope Amaron lives up to its tagline.

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That's because Amaron, I understand just burst into the picture and now that it's being tested by many, in time to come the reviews will come to.

I am monitoring an Amaron too and it's been like 9 months only. So like you've said, "So far so good with Amaron."  I hope Amaron lives up to its tagline.
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My Amaron is 15 months already...so far so good. biggrin.gif

Just always can see some water overflow out surrounding the top sticker. How about yours?
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QUOTE(speedy3210 @ Jan 13 2019, 09:21 PM)
Since this is a discussion on battery longevity, I think you can channel you energy to another aspect of battery, instead of brands. The aspect I wish to highlight is the battery plate material/composition. Try reading the link below.

http://www.necon.co.za/batttech.php?w=1368&h=912#openModal

Back to your battery choice. I would advice that you measure your car alternator's voltage when it is HOT, say after 30mins of driving. Easier to do this by having those plug-in voltmeter at the lighter port. Match the output voltage with the type of battery that has closest required charging voltage.

The problem with battery market nowadays is companies market their products according to price point, not suitability. Calsium batts are really good at CCA, hence the experience shared by many in here. Silver batts too. But the question is, is your car's charging system built to support that kind of batteries? Again this will explain a lot of the experience shared by users here; short battery life, due to the charging system can't charge other, unexpected type of batteries that the car manufacturer didn't expect its users to use.

For this sole reason, I continued to use non-MF battery in my cars. As I have measured and monitored alternators output of my cars, and they tend to stay at lead-antimony level when fully warmed up.

Hope this info helps in your search for longlife battery.
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Thank you for that insightful information Speedy3210. Although I don't understand much of what written but sleeping over it was the best. Was thinking about it all night even in my dreams. wink.gif

You've hit the nail on the head with marketing from the price viewpoint and not suitability. This wasn't an issue earlier on until the influx of substandard batteries from unknown parts of the world.

I will always wonder if the Marathoner was created in response to that influx. I've never used the Marathoner before but obviously the damage been done.

With the current market perception that batteries don't last more than 1 year or batteries lives to just after its warranty you period, I've thought I've found the Battery's Holy Grail with 4 years lifespan, little did I know you guys are already light years ahead of me !

The light at the end of the tunnel just got a lot dimmer for me but the quest for extending battery lifespan must continue. Mankind must always be creative in pushing things to the extreme limits in search of more sustainable solutions in this world of limited resources.

As inept as I maybe but I find myself looking forward to your post more & more. 😂

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My Amaron is 15 months already...so far so good.  biggrin.gif

Just always can see some water overflow out surrounding the top sticker. How about yours?
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Not yet, that Amaron unit has not pancut just yet.

I don't think the sign of overflowing water is a good thing, as that disrupts the chemical composition inside overtime rendering that unit being unstable. If it's overflowing of milk & honey 🍯 yes but since it's water 💦 pouring out of the Amaron, caveat emptor, I think.

If I was in your shoe, I will find ways to push back in all that water 💦 that's flowing out OR it's going to the Medic in no time.

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My amaron just over warranty. Now started to show weak.
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My amaron just over warranty. Now started to show weak.
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That's really not good. By the way, how long was the warranty, therain01 ?
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Not yet, that Amaron unit has not pancut just yet.

I don't think the sign of overflowing water is a good thing, as that disrupts the chemical composition inside overtime rendering that unit being unstable. If it's overflowing of milk & honey 🍯 yes but since it's water 💦 pouring out of the Amaron, caveat emptor, I think.

If I was in your shoe, I will find ways to push back in all that water 💦 that's flowing out OR it's going to the Medic in no time.
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Not much actually, just can see especially morning.

I bring back to the shop, they say is fine, test the battery all good.

Under warranty so didn't plan to take off the sticker.

Now become like little white powder. (photo taken last year)


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That's really not good. By the way, how long was the warranty, therain01 ?
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I remember seller told me 12 months. Bought it around rm300 for a 55D23L. No proof of purchase anyway.
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Not much actually, just can see especially morning.

I bring back to the shop, they say is fine, test the battery all good.

Under warranty so didn't plan to take off the sticker.

Now become like little white powder. (photo taken last year)
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That is not good if the acid touch your car body.

BTW, white powder over terminal is also not a good sign. Poor contact, under charge, overcharge all result to white power.
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That is not good if the acid touch your car body.

BTW, white powder over terminal is also not a good sign. Poor contact, under charge, overcharge all result to white power.
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Not on terminal, is on the water stain part. I just notice recently. As I use to wipe off the water, but after sometimes, lazy to border, then only notice become white powder.

So what should i do? can claim warranty?
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Not on terminal, is on the water stain part. I just notice recently. As I use to wipe off the water, but after sometimes, lazy to border, then only notice become white powder.

So what should i do? can claim warranty?
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Well I think you should try to claim but I doubt seller would honor it. I used to have a battery which does leak and I never insist on replacement. In the end the acid overflow to the extend that it rust the car body and gearbox.

Battery should be water tight. Extra pressure or gas should escape from vent holes only.
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I remember seller told me 12 months. Bought it around rm300 for a 55D23L. No proof of purchase anyway.
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My is 16 months, depends on model.

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Well I think you should try to claim but I doubt seller would honor it. I used to have a battery which does leak and I never insist on replacement. In the end the acid overflow to the extend that it rust the car body and gearbox.

Battery should be water tight. Extra pressure or gas should escape from vent holes only.
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So serious? Leak out until drop to body part! Means a lot of water?
My one not that bad actually, is just a bit. Dry off when drive or hot sun. The dry part is just stain & some dust, not white powder.

I try snap photo to show tomorrow.
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Whoa back up there a bit men, Dannyw & Therain01.

Dannyw, yours 16 months under warranty &
Therain, your warranty is for 12 months said the reseller without any proof of documentation.

Was it Amaron that practices uniform warranty period for all its batteries or different warrant periods for different battery models ?
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Irregardless of the situation Dannyw, if I were you I would suit up and remove that battery for some serious cleaning on the external body only and thereafter wipe down & let it air dry. Clean off the terminals & post too.

Plus inspect immediately the areas around the bottom of the battery holder for signs of damages. Remove the holder if possible.

Dirty surfaces leads to surface discharge which will slowly kill off your battery. Maintaining the cleanliness of battery is important unless you wish to keep changing batteries before or immediately after each warranty period.

Another thing that I've learnt in life is to never believe wholeheartedly everything the seller says. I am better off checking everything that I am told.

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Was it Amaron that practices uniform warranty period for all its batteries or different warrant periods for different battery models ?
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No, Amaron has different warranty duration for different models.
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Thank you so much 6UE5T for clearing that up. Then, I must have errorneously mixed up with the warranties of other brands. That's the problem of reading too much.
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Irregardless of the situation Dannyw, if I were you I would suit up and remove that battery for some serious cleaning on the external body only and thereafter wipe down & let it air dry. Clean off the terminals & post too.

Plus inspect immediately the areas around the bottom of the battery holder for signs of damages. Remove the holder if possible.

Dirty surfaces leads to surface discharge which will slowly kill off your battery. Maintaining the cleanliness of battery is important unless you wish to keep changing batteries before or immediately after each warranty period.

Another thing that I've learnt in life is to never believe wholeheartedly everything the seller says. I am better off checking everything that I am told.
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Today photo. No more leak, but the from the sticker surrounding can tell it leak before.

Battery performance still good, maybe will arrange a visit to the shop see what the seller say.


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Today photo. No more leak, but the from the sticker surrounding can tell it leak before.

Battery performance still good, maybe will arrange a visit to the shop see what the seller say.
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At the moment the unit may still be good, it may not look that dirty to you or any of us but dirty conditions on the unit causes it to deteriorate overtime.

If you intent on prolonging its lifespan then keeping it clean is a must. However if you are not particular and don't mind about replacing with a new battery after it's warranty period, then it's all right too.

Seriously you may want to check what's cooking under the battery holder & probably clean that out too, if you intend on keeping the vehicle, otherwise bless the new owner.

I presume that you should know what to do with cleaning the battery out and you have the proper gear & stuffs to accomplish the job. Safety is always the highest priority.

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Today photo. .....
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Hi Dannyw, may I ask how did you attached the Thumbnail picture into your post ? Pretty cool.

After obtaining the owner's permission, I intend to clean out the owner's Amaron unit and post the before & after pictures.
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Today photo. No more leak, but the from the sticker surrounding can tell it leak before.

Battery performance still good, maybe will arrange a visit to the shop see what the seller say.
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Looking at the picture, doesn't seem possibly like a leak as the acid will definitely have corrosion marks over the plastic cover, unlikely that the casing itself is made of PVDF (impervious to acid).

I would hazard guess it would be some rain/puddle water puddle splash or the vapour condensation that likes to accumulate on your battery top...
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At the moment the unit may still be good, it may not look that dirty to you or any of us but dirty conditions on the unit causes it to deteriorate overtime.

If you intent on prolonging its lifespan then keeping it clean is a must. However if you are not particular and don't mind about replacing with a new battery after it's warranty period, then it's all right too.

Seriously you may want to check what's cooking under the battery holder & probably clean that out too, if you intend on keeping the vehicle, otherwise bless the new owner.

I presume that you should know what to do with cleaning the battery out and you have the proper gear & stuffs to accomplish the job. Safety is always the highest priority.
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Well, I have no tools, and not expert in this. Will check it out when have chance.

Thanks for the advice!

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Hi Dannyw, may I ask how did you attached the Thumbnail picture into your post ? Pretty cool.

After obtaining the owner's permission, I intend to clean out the owner's Amaron unit and post the before & after pictures.
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Not much actually, just can see especially morning.

I bring back to the shop, they say is fine, test the battery all good.

Under warranty so didn't plan to take off the sticker.

Now become like little white powder. (photo taken last year)
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Looking at the picture, doesn't seem possibly like a leak as the acid will definitely have corrosion marks over the plastic cover, unlikely that the casing itself is made of PVDF (impervious to acid).

I would hazard guess it would be some rain/puddle water puddle splash or the vapour condensation that likes to accumulate on your battery top...
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Thanks for your info. If refer to my previous photo, i can see the water is surrounding the sticker, especially overnight when the weather is cold.

If not water leak out, then water from external stay there? hmm.gif maybe like you say is condensation.

Last time when I use Century also have a little bit out on the sticker, that's why i assume is normal when there is a little bit out. As long not too much, and no effect the battery performance is ok.
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What a pity, the owner of the Amaron battery that I wanted to clean, didn't want the battery to be cleaned. I was like ??? That because according to the owner the batteries had never been cleaned before and it's pointless cleaning it, since all battery last to its warranted lifespan.

Well at least I can monitor under such conditions how long will that Amaron last. Anyway will try to take a picture of that Amaron with gunk & goo all around.

Maybe the owner has been conditioned to think that batteries can only last for that specific time period & no longer. sad.gif

It would be really good if battery shops etc had this as an extra service for its clients, to clean the battery and inspect the battery holder surrounding areas. Instead of take out & replace with new battery service & that's it.

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DESIGN RECOMMENDATION FOR BATTERY MANUFACTURERS

In view of cases wherein the acid overflows the vents, perhaps this could resolve the issue corrosion by changing the design on the top surface of the battery instead.

Let there be an indentation wherein all the battery caps lines up something similar to a lowered level in the center. So should there be an overflow, the acid would remain contain or captured inside the indentation or lowered level. Thus saving the vehicle from unnecessary damages.




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No, Amaron has different warranty duration for different models.
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The seller told me that his customers have complained that amaron has signed of evaporazing around the top seals. It doesn't look pretty but shouldn't affect the performance of the battery.

I had a choice of a 800 varta to a 500 amaron and i went with amaron because: -

- been using it and it is good so far.
- 500 amaron might last me over 3 years, no guarantee a varta will last me 5 years.
- year to year costs, amaron is cheaper. Please correct me if i am wrong.

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I just double check my amoron battery it is amaron Pro. Saw a seller offering amaron Pro battery warranty from 18 months to 24 months.

Just wondering if anyone know is there anyway to get the battery warranty if I lost the proof of purchase? I saw a white sticker with some sort of serial number on top of the battery. Not sure if that can be used to trace the purchasing date.
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I just double check my amoron battery it is amaron Pro. Saw a seller offering amaron Pro battery warranty from 18 months to 24 months.

Just wondering if anyone know is there anyway to get the battery warranty if I lost the proof of purchase? I saw a white sticker with some sort of serial number on top of the battery. Not sure if that can be used to trace the purchasing date.
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Proof of purchase (usually means invoice/receipt) is pretty much a must for any warranty claims, unless the seller out of goodwill willing to take in.


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QUOTE(therain01 @ Jan 16 2019, 05:01 PM)
I just double check my amoron battery it is amaron Pro. Saw a seller offering amaron Pro battery warranty from 18 months to 24 months.

Just wondering if anyone know is there anyway to get the battery warranty if I lost the proof of purchase? I saw a white sticker with some sort of serial number on top of the battery. Not sure if that can be used to trace the purchasing date.
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You must enquire from the seller as to how is it possible for the same seller to have 2 different warranty periods on the same battery model ? How do they keep track of which is which ?

If it's via your credit card 💳, check against the statement surely something like a name as a proof of purchase will turn up.

If it's via cash 💰, then just get back to the seller whom you got your Amaron from. The seller would have some information on the serial number right since it was through him ?

The Amaron that I wanted to clean, was an Amaron Pro and there was no date on that unit too, which I find was strange. Century batteries are immediately dated via engraving on the unit the moment payment is made.

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Middle Picture : Could see the gunk that's collected at the bottom over the years.

Bottom Picture : Areas surrounding the last 2 caps on the right looks like it's coated with grime, not sure if you could see it clearly from this angle but it's registering a surface discharge of 6.34 volts when tested.

Will be interesting to see how long will this battery hold out under such conditions.

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MONITORING BATTERY'S HEALTH ONLINE

How many of you guys are using CTEK Battery Sense application to monitor the state of health for your batteries and would you recommend or not recommend this product ?

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HOW LUCRATIVE IS THE BATTERY BUSINESS ?

Reading in between the lines, it is that bloody lucrative indeed and I believe it's a numbers game too.

It's so lucrative indeed until a reseller is willing to produce an in-house brand instead ! Talk about going downstream.

It's so lucrative indeed until it's spawned a market for 2nd hand batteries by itself !!! Now that's amazing cause it just shows how important education is and with a "lifespan of a year" who know what else in store ???

But the last has to be this which I haven't cracked yet, how is it possible that an exceptionally established brand is giving a warranty of only a year ??? Just blows my mind thinking of how to solve this riddle.
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Now that I think back about how did I managed to squeeze out 4 years from battery is has to be these few conditions were met.

1. Constantly recharged : Being in my work horse, literally meant it was frequently in a high state of charge as it's being driven. Anyway that's what most intellegent charges aims to replicate.

2. The most prominent difference between this success and all previous failures was the methods of ventilation used in an effort to keep heat away from the battery over prolonged periods.

Although it's written that less than 30% of batteries ever makes it the 4 year mark, (I don't know how the writer derived to that figure) but I do hope that it was these 2 major factors that did for me. Am replicating the same techniques again and if it scores another 4 year mark or more, then surely it has to be constant high state of charge & non exposure to prolonged heat source.
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ACID GUARD for Low Maintenance Battery

I've been searching high & low for this Acid Guard for so long and finally I've found it and grabbed a few straight away. Only a handful of these are left that's unsold.

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LEFT : Original unit.
RIGHT : Sides had been removed to fit on top of a smaller battery.

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Sigh the battery used in Mazda's car macam barely can last 1 year
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What battery brand is that ?
Is your battery stock which came when you received your new ride ? Or has the battery been replaced before ?


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What battery brand is that ?
Is your battery stock which came when you received your new ride ? Or has the battery been replaced before ?
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I am still using stock but I've seen many changes their battery at 1 year ish mark. Or at most 2 years only.

So I foresee I'll be changing mine anytime after a year.

I think the stock battery is Delco? I am planning to go for Varta or Amaron if it dies.

My old Myvi's Yokohoma battery lasted 5 years. Still have 80% health when I changed it due to aging reason.

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UPDATE : Battery brands that has lasted minimum of 4 years or more.

Battery Brand (Seal of Approval)
1. Varta (5 votes)
2. Century (4 votes)
3. Panasonic (1 vote: MF - Stock)

Instead of searching for testimonies only, I've decided that to further strengthen the above data, within my Catholic community and of close friends, i will start gathering real data i.e. their used battery to conduct further tests.

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jan 24 2019, 11:06 AM)
UPDATE : Battery brands that has lasted minimum of 4 years or more.

Battery Brand (Seal of Approval)
1. Varta (5 votes)
2. Century (4 votes)
3. Panasonic (1 vote: MF - Stock)

Instead of searching for testimonies only, I've decided that to further strengthen the above data, within my Catholic community and of close friends, i will start gathering real data i.e. their used battery to conduct further tests.
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BMW original batt - 6 years but time to change already
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QUOTE(Duckies @ Jan 24 2019, 10:57 AM)
I am still using stock but I've seen many changes their battery at 1 year ish mark. Or at most 2 years only.

So I foresee I'll be changing mine anytime after a year.

I think the stock battery is Delco? I am planning to go for Varta or Amaron if it dies.

My old Myvi's Yokohoma battery lasted 5 years. Still have 80% health when I changed it due to aging reason.
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I respect your decision but if I were you, this is what I would do. I will still select the identical brand, Delco and see how that pans out before switching to another brand. Using the same brand in a row allows me to make comparisons.

Yes Yokohama was indeed a great brand with outstanding testimonies but this brand no longer exist as I was told. However driving around recently, I been seeing Yokohama in an all black casing with gold coloured sticker or something like that. Will try to take a picture of this brand or maybe it could be different spelling or something.

What a waste as I would love to collect your used Yokohama to do some research. sad.gif

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I respect your decision but if I were you, this is what I would do. I will still select the identical brand, Delco and see how that pans out before switching to another brand. Using the same brand in a row allows me to make comparisons.

Yes Yokohama was indeed a great brand with outstanding testimonies but this brand no longer exist as I was told. However driving around recently, I been seeing Yokohama in an all black casing with gold coloured sticker or something like that. Will try to take a picture of this brand or maybe it could be different spelling or something.

What a waste as I would love to collect your used Yokohama to do some research. sad.gif
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Hahaha my old Myvi changed to Century or something. I think it just pass 1 year mark. I passed the car to my sister already.

Lol don't think I'll stick with Delco anymore. I'll let others to do the testing XD
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BMW original batt - 6 years but time to change already
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Wait a minute, if I recall properly you did mentioned that you were getting a battery charger am I not right ? If you were getting the charger, didn't the charger prolong the battery lifespan ? What brand was your batttery ? What charger did you buy ?

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Wait a minute, if I recall properly you did mentioned that you were getting a battery charger am I not right ? If you were getting the charger, didn't the charger prolong the battery lifespan ? What brand was your batttery ? What charger did you buy ?
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Charger have not arrived yet and my batt is a little weak. Will update once it arrives.
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Charger have not arrived yet and my batt is a little weak. Will update once it arrives.
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Understand.

The timing may not be perfect but hey at least with the new battery & new charger, hopefully they will keep things running for a longer period of time. smile.gif

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Different tyre shops, different pricing and warranty period with reference to models as well.
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I don't know about you guys but all these while I was under the impression that automotive batteries are made in large factories with proper equipments etc.

What I saw today just blew my mind. Out from the back of the shop lot, they workers brought batteries clean and unmarked whatsoever to be charged. It was then the batteryman ended my conversation with him to attend to these "new batteries" that unnamed and unmarked etc.

Surely there's a market for such batteries but as to what name it's marketed under, now that is something I will try to find that one out.

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I don't know about you guys but all these while I was under the impression that automotive batteries are made in large factories with proper equipments etc.

What I saw today just blew my mind. Out from the back of the shop lot, they workers brought batteries clean and unmarked whatsoever to be charged. It was then the batteryman ended my conversation with him to attend to these "new batteries" that unnamed and unmarked etc.

Surely there's a market for such batteries but as to what name it's marketed under, now that is something I will try to find that one out.
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Just checking with you guys who have experience with car battery charger. Whether it is Bosch, CTEK, or Noco. Can share your thoughts & reviews regarding the products?
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QUOTE(VeeJay @ Jan 25 2019, 06:59 PM)
Kat Msia semua boleh, bro...sigh!
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I memang terkejut nampak batteri bateri yg ditolak atas trolley bawa ke depan dimana ada industrial charger mereka. I've always assume from big factories, mana tau shop lot boleh jadi production center ! Steady bugger, mana tau maybe cap "......." boleh tahan berapa lama ? Kalau tak silap, 1 forummer here somewhere pernah tulis cap "Ayam" brand lebih baik daripada brand famous.

Betul u cakap, kat Msia ini semua boleh .... tapi hanya satu benda aje tak boleh, kadar pertukaran wang asing.

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jan 25 2019, 08:36 PM)
I memang terkejut nampak batteri bateri yg ditolak atas trolley bawa ke depan dimana ada industrial charger mereka. I've always assume from big factories, mana tau shop lot boleh jadi production center ! Steady bugger, mana tau maybe cap "......." boleh tahan berapa lama ? Kalau tak silap, 1 forummer here somewhere pernah tulis cap "Ayam" brand lebih baik daripada brand famous.

Betul u cakap, kat Msia ini semua boleh .... tapi hanya satu benda aje tak boleh, kadar pertukaran wang asing.
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tu sebab wang asing la! kalau wang tempatan sure boleh punya! hahaha lol
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tu sebab wang asing la! kalau wang tempatan sure boleh punya! hahaha lol
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QUOTE(hnr2802 @ Jan 25 2019, 07:06 PM)
Just checking with you guys who have experience with car battery charger. Whether it is Bosch, CTEK, or Noco. Can share your thoughts & reviews regarding the products?
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I think if any person who is most appropriate to give their reviews on the above battery chargers should be the one who has owned all of the above models. Only then will the reviews be fair.

Never heard of Noco battery charger before but thank you. Will find out more about Noco.

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LOW MAINTENANCE BATTERIES DON'T LEAK ???

Well if that is true for you then you must be lucky after all this while. Couldn't believe what I just saw when a friend of mine asked for assistance.

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I've always used Century but my latest Century that less than 3 months can't even hold its charge, dropping to mere 70%.

A new battery must be able to hold its charge no matter what, since ISO so naturally I would assume it should be all the same otherwise it's a fault. For that Ive retracted my vote for Century.

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2. Century (3 votes)
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No Amaron battery in the list?

i using Amaron maintenance free battery for my '06 Vios, battery date Jan 2015.

Just replaced my Myvi battery to Amaron too.

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QUOTE(Zeroize @ Jan 30 2019, 09:18 AM)
No Amaron battery in the list?

i using Amaron maintenance free battery for my '06 Vios, battery date Jan 2015.

Just replaced my Myvi battery to Amaron too.
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You must be one of the first Amaron user I guess. smile.gif Ok will add Amaron to the list.

Once I get my battery Analyzer & battery Charger instead of checking out testimonials only, I am going to start conducting various tests throughout my community and their batteries. That should give me a better analysis of what's good & what's crap.

I believe as customers when we purchase better built quality items, manufacturers with good practices will remain in the industry and weed out bad practices.

However when customers starts selecting for the cheapest on the shelf, it signals to the manufacturers that quality is NOT priority, hence the market will be flooded with all kinds of crap and manufacturers with good practices will find it hard to compete.
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jan 29 2019, 05:47 PM)
LOW MAINTENANCE BATTERIES DON'T LEAK ???

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MF batteries don't need to top up water like regular batteries, that's the main feature. All else, the construction is exactly the same like normal lead acid batteries and can leak due to abuse, especially too much vibration or improper charging which leads to too much gas buildup.

QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jan 30 2019, 09:56 AM)
I believe as customers when we purchase better built quality items, manufacturers with good practices will remain in the industry and weed out bad practices.

However when customers starts selecting for the cheapest on the shelf, it signals to the manufacturers that quality is NOT priority, hence the market will be flooded with all kinds of crap and manufacturers with good practices will find it hard to compete.
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The problem is there isn't a watch dog group that sets the minimum standards, hence any cap ayam also can sell. If need to get properly certified, many unknown brands will vanish.

Voting with the wallets always leads to the race to the bottom, but the damage could not be undone in some circumstances. That's why in europe, for example, no CE rating on product, langsung tak boleh masuk market. However, still got people tipu say the product meet CE standards but in actual fact is not.

The fallback will be that, established markets have their own norms of minimum standards even without specific regulations, their collective conscious will self regulate (especially european countries; US is pretty greyish). But that is a whole new topic altogether....

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jan 30 2019, 09:56 AM)
You must be one of the first Amaron user I guess. smile.gif Ok will add Amaron to the list.

Once I get my battery Analyzer & battery Charger instead of checking out testimonials only, I am going to start conducting various tests throughout my community and their batteries. That should give me a better analysis of what's good & what's crap.

I believe as customers when we purchase better built quality items, manufacturers with good practices will remain in the industry and weed out bad practices.

However when customers starts selecting for the cheapest on the shelf, it signals to the manufacturers that quality is NOT priority, hence the market will be flooded with all kinds of crap and manufacturers with good practices will find it hard to compete.
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Darn right, price is one important factor. At first i also hesitate to go for Amaron brand as price is slightly higher but I have friend have been using it for more than 3 years hence i gave it a try, now mine lasted more than 4 years and still using, my mechanic did told me since the battery is already more than 3 years if one day I find my car hard to start, got to replace battery immediately.
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jan 29 2019, 05:47 PM)
LOW MAINTENANCE BATTERIES DON'T LEAK ???

Well if that is true for you then you must be lucky after all this while. Couldn't believe what I just saw when a friend of mine asked for assistance.

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Most probably the battery's electrolyte is over filled... During the 1st time charging. Take out the battery, clean the affected area & reapply the paint to protect from corrosions.
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QUOTE(hnr2802 @ Jan 25 2019, 07:06 PM)
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Noco chargers seem like a rugged up version of ctek. The main differentiating feature is the ability to also charge lithium batteries which normal bosch and ctek charger have a dedicated lithium charger. All else being quite similar, all have some sort of circuit/overcharging protection and some elemental resistance.

Only some dedicated enthusiast or motorsport application will use lithium batteries. So all 3 brands will work fine with the cars available locally, just choose which one you fancy.
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QUOTE(Zeroize @ Jan 30 2019, 11:24 AM)
Darn right, price is one important factor.  At first i also hesitate to go for Amaron brand as price is slightly higher but I have friend have been using it for more than 3 years hence i gave it a try, now mine lasted more than 4 years and still using, my mechanic did told me since the battery is already more than 3 years if one day I find my car hard to start, got to replace battery immediately.
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If the car is without modern day electronics there's nothing to lose, I guess.

But if it's equipped with modern day electronics etc & it gets damaged because of weakening or dead battery, then it becomes an expensive lesson altogether.

If I were in your shoes, I would be extra vigilant now onwards as it has breached the 4 year lifespan mark. I am interested to know how long would your Amaron lasts too & good luck.

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last time i used century marathoner only last me about 10 months then I claimed warranty but managed to last another 10 months again then I changed car d
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QUOTE(yhsiau @ Jan 30 2019, 11:30 AM)
Most probably the battery's electrolyte is over filled... During the 1st time charging. Take out the battery, clean the affected area & reapply the paint to protect from corrosions.
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I've never expected the "factory" to ever make such a mistake with a Low Maintenance Battery, but I guess it's plausible.

It's the cleaning part now that's the most difficult part. Any missed spots of rust will definately cause another round of corrosion, although it's been repainted.
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QUOTE(Jackofree @ Jan 30 2019, 11:39 AM)
last time i used century marathoner only last me about 10 months then I claimed warranty but managed to last another 10 months again then I changed car d
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jan 30 2019, 11:37 AM)
If the car is without modern day electronics there's nothing to lose, I guess.

But if it's equipped with modern day electronics etc & it gets damaged because of weakening or dead battery, then it becomes an expensive lesson altogether.

If I were in your shoes, I would be extra vigilant now onwards as it has breached the 4 year lifespan mark. I am interested to know how long would your Amaron lasts too & good luck.
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more than 10 years old car, i guess no modern electronics except the CD player tongue.gif
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Usually battery warranty 12 months, but few times i change battery. The battery shop/delivery guy said, u drive a Peugeot, we can only give you 8-10month warranty instead of 12 month

Can they actually do that?
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Jan 30 2019, 02:59 PM)
Usually battery warranty 12 months, but few times i change battery. The battery shop/delivery guy said, u drive a Peugeot, we can only give you 8-10month warranty instead of 12 month

Can they actually do that?
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No such shits.. don't buy from them. Or, suffer later.
Just choose any honest shops.
For Peugeot cars, it's advised to choose the "full specs" car battery.
Sub specs battery won't last.
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Jan 30 2019, 02:59 PM)
Usually battery warranty 12 months, but few times i change battery. The battery shop/delivery guy said, u drive a Peugeot, we can only give you 8-10month warranty instead of 12 month

Can they actually do that?
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Under such circumstances, either you select back the same battery brand & model that came in the new car OR check with Peugeot Service Center what type of battery is recommended for your vehicle.

I would rather listen to what forummers here have to say than compared to what battery resellers have to say. If they have the audacity to even say such things, I would rather bring my business somewhere else.

Definately agree with yhsiau.

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peugeot.. why not just get from carput/batteryku apps
amaron got 18 month warranty at rm470 for din 65 though.
century ultramax 21 month warranty din75 at rm520
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QUOTE(fireballs @ Jan 30 2019, 05:54 PM)
peugeot.. why not just get from carput/batteryku apps
amaron got 18 month warranty  at rm470 for din 65 though.
century ultramax 21 month warranty din75 at rm520  
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friend, please take note that the Din75L can fit certain models of Peugeot, not all models of Peugeot.

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friend, please take note that the Din75L can fit certain models of Peugeot, not all models of Peugeot.
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Recently met up with a friend and he lamented that despite him asking the Authorized Distributor for the brand I've always used, he was given a "Cap Ayam" brand instead citing "No stock!" I literally couldn't believe what on earth I was hearing.

Someone one once said here that nothing good could come off the back of this. I've thought long & hard and now I am going to make it happen.

Hence I placed an order for some diagnostic tool and once I receive them, I am going to weed out unscrupulous traders in the battery business.

It's time for businesses to pull up their socks if they want to remain around and businesses better be honest about it.
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Just received the 1st battery casualty. It has been only in service for 5 months !!!

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While it shows a 100% charge on the Multimeter but it couldn't fire up the vehicle yesterday. Will see how it goes once further test are completed.

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Just received the 1st battery casualty. It has been only in service for 5 months !!!

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While it shows a 100% charge on the Multimeter but it couldn't fire up the vehicle yesterday. Will see how it goes once further test are completed.

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Better use proper battery meter to test it, could you test the CCA of this battery, State of charge, state of health ?
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QUOTE(4WD_er @ Mar 1 2019, 12:01 PM)
Better use proper battery meter to test it, could you test the CCA of this battery, State of charge, state of health ?
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You are correct, a Multimeter is not the right tool. Now I am awaiting for the arrival of the battery tester.

Although the reading is 12.66 Volts which should be 100% charged but it does not have the Cranking Amps to fire up the car.

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My mechanic recommends this:

furukawa denchi

he is old skool type, play BT20V & now K20 breadvan. So far in my decade of visiting him, he has never been wrong in his advise.

My next battery will be this.

Any others have experience with this brand?
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QUOTE(Chrix @ Mar 1 2019, 04:09 PM)
My mechanic recommends this:

furukawa denchi

he is old skool type, play BT20V & now K20 breadvan. So far in my decade of visiting him, he has never been wrong in his advise.

My next battery will be this.

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Never ever seen or heard of FURUKAWA DENCHI. Warranty is for how long ?
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last time i used century marathoner only last me about 10 months then I claimed warranty but managed to last another 10 months again then I changed car d
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So today I've washed the dead Yokohama battery to prevent any surface discharge further and to remove all the gunk on it.

After wiping it down for it to be air dryed, I decided to tilt the battery slightly to it sides to allow excess water 💦 to flow away.

I was shock with the amount of water that was pouring out from both sides when it was tilted !

It's a design flaw to be have so much water entrapped in between the crevices etc.

To put it in layman terms, I wouldn't be buying this model with a flaw in its design that's for sure.

While this model may look nice with its futuristic design but this doesn't cut it. Practicality always supersedes asthetics if efficiency is what one is looking for.

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So today I've washed the dead Yokohama battery to prevent any surface discharge further and to remove all the gunk on it.

After wiping it down for it to be air dryed, I decided to tilt the battery slightly to it sides to allow excess water 💦 to flow away.

I was shock with the amount of water that was pouring out from both sides when it was tilted !

It's a design flaw to be have so much water entrapped in between the crevices etc.

To put it in layman terms, I wouldn't be buying this model with a flaw in its design that's for sure.

While this model may look nice with its futuristic design but this doesn't cut it. Practicality always supersedes asthetics if efficiency is what one is looking for.
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Isn't there is ventilation hole on one of the side? If you turn upside down of coz the acidic electrolyte will pour out from that hole. It is for venting to avoid high pressure during charging.
The venting hole I'm referring to
https://www.techconnectcanada.com/blog/2017...tery-vent-plugs

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What cars are you using? Honestly my first Century was the Marathoner and I'm disappointed with it and will never buy it again. It lasted over 2 years for my car with countless jump starts within that duration coz I didn't use the car for 5-7 days. Now I'm trying the Century Ultramax which is supposed to be their best model and it is better but not by much. It also already need to be jump started a few times, not yet 1.5 yrs though.

I also often hear recommendations for Amaron but never hear that they can last 7 years! Maybe next change I will try this brand but I will not try Century anymore, not even their Ultramax.
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QUOTE(voscar @ Mar 1 2019, 11:39 PM)
Isn't there is ventilation hole on one of the side? If you turn upside down of coz the acidic electrolyte will pour out from that hole. It is for venting to avoid high pressure during charging.
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No I did not turn it upside down.

Rather I tilted it slightly to the left & to the right to allow excess water to drain out because of the many 'fins' design.

Since I did it on the cement floor and there was no chemical reaction at all, means that the acid sulfuric composition did not flow out. If there was acid sulfuric on the cement floor, there would surely would be chemical reaction.

It's a design flaw, to make it look nice but the downside is that it traps water instead.

What's mind-boggling is what is the purpose of those fins ? Other than to justify it for a higher price perhaps.

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maybe it wasn't the "fins" that retained water. Yokohama MF batteries design since that all black version, got this piece of black plastic cover where the warranty sticker is stuck on.

You can try to pry of that cover to see all 6 fill holes. but since that thing is still under warranty, better NOT.
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QUOTE(victorlaw @ Mar 2 2019, 12:26 AM)
Bro....  my ultramax died after 1 year. Really BS man.
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Use in your GTI? My Ultramax is around 1.5yrs now. It got warranty of 18 or 20mths if not mistaken so if died under that then you can claim a new unit.
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suzuki alto 2010 model.. year 2017 replace the battery..
originally come with Amaron battery maintenance free.. replace it with Amaron Go..
the car CBU from india..
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QUOTE(amad108 @ Mar 2 2019, 03:09 PM)
suzuki alto 2010 model.. year 2017 replace the battery..
originally come with Amaron battery maintenance free.. replace it with Amaron Go..
the car CBU from india..
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That's really impressive 7 years for an Amaron battery + CBU all the way from India. Question was it a Maintenance Free or Flooded Battery or AGM etc ?

I am now hoping that all other Amarons in the country stands up to above 4 year period.
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QUOTE(speedy3210 @ Mar 2 2019, 10:27 AM)
maybe it wasn't the "fins" that retained water. Yokohama MF batteries design since that all black version, got this piece of black plastic cover where the warranty sticker is stuck on.

You can try to pry of that cover to see all 6 fill holes. but since that thing is still under warranty, better NOT.
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This Yokohama MF Gold Series battery belongs to someone else. It was handed over to me to do comparisons between batteries to find out & compare good quality made batteries.

The battery is really weak and since it's been scrapped by the owner, I will tear of the stickers. The warranty is no longer applicable since we're not claiming for it.

The fins do trap water besides I do not like the design which traps water.

If I had a blower or air compressor to blow dry the wet battery that would be great but since I don't have one, drying those fins is a hassle. Will try to get a picture of those fins at the sides tomorrow.

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That's really impressive 7 years for an Amaron battery + CBU all the way from India. Question was it a Maintenance Free or Flooded Battery or AGM etc ?

I am now hoping that all other Amarons in the country stands up to above 4 year period.
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battery only as good as ur alternator and the charge / discharge cycles..

battery in car in other countries last 5-8 yrs,
30,000 cold cranking amps in the winter, when car in under snow for 4-5 days.

asian batteries are almost all rejects..


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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Mar 2 2019, 12:29 PM)
Use in your GTI? My Ultramax is around 1.5yrs now. It got warranty of 18 or 20mths if not mistaken so if died under that then you can claim a new unit.
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Yup in GTI. The changed a new one for me. That new one is already close to 1 year old. Car hard to crank sometimes now.
I really didnt expect 1 year life span.
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QUOTE(Jackofree @ Jan 30 2019, 11:39 AM)
last time i used century marathoner only last me about 10 months then I claimed warranty but managed to last another 10 months again then I changed car d
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May I know how to claim warranty on car battery?
Do they give you a replacement straight away?
Or they take your battery back to investigate first before they give you a replacement?

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QUOTE(cucubud @ Mar 7 2019, 11:01 PM)
May I know how to claim warranty on car battery?
Do they give you a replacement straight away?
Or they take your battery back to investigate first before they give you a replacement?
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i don't think they will give new battery straight away.
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QUOTE(Crazy_Fella @ Mar 7 2019, 11:07 PM)
i don't think they will give new battery straight away.
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That means my car will be without battery until they give me a replacement unit?

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QUOTE(P0lyStati0n @ Jan 7 2019, 11:50 PM)
Stock Vios 2016 with dashcam+USB 5V 2.1A
Exactly 2 years, 50k KM
Battery didn't die, but SA suggest to replace. I can feel the difference for Start/Stop engine after change battery.

Now it's habit for me to press Start/Stop button 2 times, before pressing brake pedal & Start.
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What's the purpose of press start/stop 2 times???
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QUOTE(cucubud @ Mar 7 2019, 11:38 PM)
That means my car will be without battery until they give me a replacement unit?
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Usually what happens is that, the battery reseller would lend to you a spare battery first, while they investigate the problem with the faulty battery that's under warranty.

If it's confirmed to be faulty, they would give you a replacement and you have to return back the battery that was loaned to you.

That's what happened to my neighbour battery. Keep your Battery Warranty Card in the car always. smile.gif
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Mar 8 2019, 04:53 PM)
Usually what happens is that, the battery reseller would lend to you a spare battery first, while they investigate the problem with the faulty battery that's under warranty.

If it's confirmed to be faulty, they would give you a replacement and you have to return back the battery that was loaned to you.

That's what happened to my neighbour battery. Keep your Battery Warranty Card in the car always. smile.gif
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Thank you for your reply.
At least we can still use the car.

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As promised earlier, here's picture of the side with what appears to be vent design. For whatever purpose it was designed for, cleaning it ain't no fun plus drying as well.

Not only the sides with vent pattern makes cleaning harder but if you notice above the vents in the center there's a hole in the center and this hole is where liquid gets trapped in. Bad design overall.


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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Mar 8 2019, 06:09 PM)
user posted image

As promised earlier, here's picture of the side with what appears to be vent design. For whatever purpose it was designed for, cleaning it ain't no fun plus drying as well.

Not only the sides with vent pattern makes cleaning harder but if you notice above the vents in the center there's a hole in the center and this hole is where liquid gets trapped in. Bad design overall.
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Did you cover that vent hole when washing/cleaning the battery? Hopefully you did not put water inside that hole. If you are not claiming warranty can try to pry out the whole vent hole cover.

If you have battery charger at home maybe can rescue this battery probably suffering from sulfation.
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QUOTE(Ciypher @ Mar 8 2019, 10:44 PM)
Did you cover that vent hole when washing/cleaning the battery?  Hopefully you did not put water inside that hole. If you are not claiming warranty can try to pry out the whole vent hole cover.

If you have battery charger at home maybe can rescue this battery probably suffering from sulfation.
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I hope that's not the real vent hole but it's adjoining to the battery's handle. If it was a real vent hole that would be a complete disaster.

Anyway I haven't decided if I want to recharge this battery back to life cause if I did what am I supposed to do with it ?

Besides there were gunk all around this unit, putting this battery into service would be just asking for trouble. Will see how it goes or I might just end up tearing it apart to collect data.

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guys. Amaron split up with power Zone, the whokle orange color battery. is it reliable? Currently on marathoner. get a preety bad feedback but I am using it ok. But I think I will get it change when it hit th warranty period.
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You must be one of the first Amaron user I guess. smile.gif Ok will add Amaron to the list.

Once I get my battery Analyzer & battery Charger instead of checking out testimonials only, I am going to start conducting various tests throughout my community and their batteries. That should give me a better analysis of what's good & what's crap.

I believe as customers when we purchase better built quality items, manufacturers with good practices will remain in the industry and weed out bad practices.

However when customers starts selecting for the cheapest on the shelf, it signals to the manufacturers that quality is NOT priority, hence the market will be flooded with all kinds of crap and manufacturers with good practices will find it hard to compete.
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I am very curious. Why u have so much interest in batteries? Lol. Hobby or what? For me, I dun even know what battery brand I am using! Usually they last 1 to 2 years only. I treat it as about rm300 expense every 2 years.. why bother with all those diagnostics .. just change new one.. not that expensive really smile.gif

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Mar 9 2019, 06:19 AM)
I hope that's not the real vent hole but it's adjoining to the battery's handle. If it was a real vent hole that would be a complete disaster.

Anyway I haven't decided if I want to recharge this battery back to life cause if I did what am I supposed to do with it ?

Besides there were gunk all around this unit, putting this battery into service would be just asking for trouble. Will see how it goes or I might just end up tearing it apart to collect data.
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I might be wrong but most likely it is. Anyway no harm to revive the battery and keep at home. For me I personally use it to test my bulbs bought online, test my tyre pump motor or to jump start(at home) if you don't have a jump start power bank.. just to name a few uses..
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QUOTE(aspartame @ Mar 9 2019, 09:36 AM)
I am very curious. Why u have so much interest in batteries? Lol. Hobby or what? For me, I dun even know what battery brand I am using! Usually they last 1 to 2 years only. I treat it as about rm300 expense every 2 years.. why bother with all those diagnostics .. just change new one.. not that expensive really smile.gif
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I really like old cars and if the battery died that's it, I would just change it. It doesn't affect the car one bit.

However with modern cars its totally different. A weak battery is sufficient to cause a complete nervous meltdown.

Besides while travelling, the battery suddenly died during the journey & luckily we were near our destination. Cannot imagine if this happened while travelling in the middle of the highway !!!

You can also call this Preventive Management. Since then I have been adopting various different techniques just to prolong the battery lifespan and understanding better about battery management systems.

Just like any end user, what I want is quality and peace of mind plus bang for our buck on the things we buy. Nothing irks me more when the poor are scammed of their hard earned money, because businessmen sees its their right to mislead gullible end users.
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Mar 9 2019, 10:06 PM)
I really like old cars and if the battery died that's it, I would just change it. It doesn't affect the car one bit.

However with modern cars its totally different. A weak battery is sufficient to cause a complete nervous meltdown. 

Besides while travelling, the battery suddenly died during the journey & luckily we were near our destination. Cannot imagine if this happened while travelling in the middle of the highway !!!

You can also call this Preventive Management. Since then I have been adopting various different techniques just to prolong the battery lifespan and understanding better about battery management systems.

Just like any end user, what I want is quality and peace of mind plus bang for our buck on the things we buy. Nothing irks me more when the poor are scammed of their hard earned money, because businessmen sees its their right to mislead gullible end users.
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What? Can battery die while driving ?
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QUOTE(aspartame @ Mar 9 2019, 10:33 PM)
What? Can battery die while driving ?
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Yes it has happened before and it will surely happen again.

In fact the Yokohama in picture belongs to a friend of mine whose battery died on his way to a meeting.

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Mar 9 2019, 11:00 PM)
Yes it has happened before and it will surely happen again.

In fact the Yokohama in picture belongs to a friend of mine whose battery died on his way to a meeting.
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Battery died while driving but engine still running right?

Battery only needed to start the engine the rest is alternator jobs.

Or I am wrong?
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May I know how to claim warranty on car battery?
Do they give you a replacement straight away?
Or they take your battery back to investigate first before they give you a replacement?
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My case, they check with meter, the value below acceptable

Can't remember but not voltage value

They straight away replace with a new battery

Bosch mf
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QUOTE(magnesium @ Mar 9 2019, 11:04 PM)
Battery died while driving but engine still running right?

Battery only needed to start the engine the rest is alternator jobs.

Or I am wrong?
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That's what I think too...
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That's what I think too...
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Wait for him to explain

It maybe friends car, battery died, replace battery and after some distance the battery died again because of alternator kong.

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QUOTE(magnesium @ Mar 10 2019, 12:13 AM)
Wait for him to explain

It maybe friends car, battery died, replace battery and after some distance the battery died again because of alternator King.
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Good reply.

While I was a passenger in the vehicle, let me check with the owner again what exactly went down at that time cause the owner was behind the wheel.
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QUOTE(Ciypher @ Mar 9 2019, 10:14 AM)
I might be wrong but most likely it is. Anyway no harm to revive the battery and keep at home. For me I personally use it to test my bulbs bought online, test my tyre pump motor or to jump start(at home) if you don't have a jump start power bank.. just to name a few uses..
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Thank you 😊 for your insights, I've never thought of it that way. Just that I been so used to tossing out the dead battery, its has become a natural reflex. 😂 I will follow your advice and tear that battery up at the appointed time. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
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If use this CTEK battery maintenance thing, will last longer right?
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If use this CTEK battery maintenance thing, will last longer right?
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Yes, any battery charger should do that.
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QUOTE(cucubud @ Mar 7 2019, 11:01 PM)
May I know how to claim warranty on car battery?
Do they give you a replacement straight away?
Or they take your battery back to investigate first before they give you a replacement?
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I just show them receipt and warranty card then they give me new battery on the spot. I guess they claim it from century after that.
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QUOTE(magnesium @ Mar 10 2019, 12:13 AM)
Wait for him to explain

It maybe friends car, battery died, replace battery and after some distance the battery died again because of alternator kong.
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Got their replies.

1st Case

Owner of the Kia Spectra don't really recall the details of the incident as no service documents were kept. Besides it's been a really long time already.

However as a passenger of that vehicle, I can faintly recall that before the car loss all power supply, the aircon and radio went off first, after a minute or so, power to the instrument panel also went off ! Then the vehicle just died like that very close to the repair shop.

2nd Case

Owner of Nissan X-Trail, who gave me the dead Yokohama battery said his X-Trail just died while he was on his was to a meeting. After replacing with a new battery by the road side, the X-Trial was behaving normal again.

Nothing else was changed and the Service Center affirms that the X-Trail alternator is ok.

Strange isn't it ? All previous posts that I've read suggest that vehicles can operate normally by removing the battery after it has been started. Under these circumstance especially the 2nd case shows otherwise ! Hmmm
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Mar 8 2019, 04:53 PM)
Usually what happens is that, the battery reseller would lend to you a spare battery first, while they investigate the problem with the faulty battery that's under warranty.

If it's confirmed to be faulty, they would give you a replacement and you have to return back the battery that was loaned to you.

That's what happened to my neighbour battery. Keep your Battery Warranty Card in the car always. smile.gif
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QUOTE(magnesium @ Mar 9 2019, 11:09 PM)
My case, they check with meter, the value below acceptable

Can't remember but not voltage value

They straight away replace with a new battery

Bosch mf
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I just show them receipt and warranty card then they give me new battery on the spot. I guess they claim it from century after that.
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Looks like there are different processes for warranty claim a car battery.
Thank you for your replies.
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Mar 11 2019, 07:42 AM)
Got their replies.

1st Case

Owner of the Kia Spectra don't really recall the details of the incident as no service documents were kept. Besides it's been a really long time already.

However as a passenger of that vehicle, I can faintly recall that before the car loss all power supply, the aircon and radio went off first, after a minute or so, power to the instrument panel also went off ! Then the vehicle just died like that very close to the repair shop.

2nd Case

Owner of Nissan X-Trail, who gave me the dead Yokohama battery said his X-Trail just died while he was on his was to a meeting. After replacing with a new battery by the road side, the X-Trial was behaving normal again.

Nothing else was changed and the Service Center affirms that the X-Trail alternator is ok.

Strange isn't it ? All previous posts that I've read suggest that vehicles can operate normally by removing the battery after it has been started. Under these circumstance especially the 2nd case shows otherwise ! Hmmm
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yeah, it is weird, i thought even the battery died, you can still drive your car normally, is just that you wont be able to start it again the nxt time round.

maybe there's more to it that what it seems, maybe one of it's electronics is in the verge of its life and a new battery that was replace gave it a temporary boost... Im just speculating hehehe

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QUOTE(cucubud @ Mar 11 2019, 07:53 AM)
Looks like there are different processes for warranty claim a car battery.
Thank you for your replies.
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To clear any ambiguities, it's best to check online always for Authorized Dealers from the manufacturer website BEFORE making a new purchase.

I do this everytime even though I know that this shop is an Authorised Dealer.

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Mar 11 2019, 08:26 AM)
To clear any ambiguities, it's best to check online always for Authorized Dealers from the manufacturer website BEFORE making a new purchase.

I do this everytime even though I know that this shop is an Authorised Dealer.
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Thanks for the advice.
Will do that on my next purchase.

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Mar 11 2019, 07:42 AM)
Got their replies.

1st Case

Owner of the Kia Spectra don't really recall the details of the incident as no service documents were kept. Besides it's been a really long time already.

However as a passenger of that vehicle, I can faintly recall that before the car loss all power supply, the aircon and radio went off first, after a minute or so, power to the instrument panel also went off ! Then the vehicle just died like that very close to the repair shop.

2nd Case

Owner of Nissan X-Trail, who gave me the dead Yokohama battery said his X-Trail just died while he was on his was to a meeting. After replacing with a new battery by the road side, the X-Trial was behaving normal again.

Nothing else was changed and the Service Center affirms that the X-Trail alternator is ok.

Strange isn't it ? All previous posts that I've read suggest that vehicles can operate normally by removing the battery after it has been started. Under these circumstance especially the 2nd case shows otherwise ! Hmmm
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The 1st case, seems to be alternator issue hence its not charging the battery.

The second case, maybe the car stalled when he slowed down or in heavy traffic. When the car is on slow traffic the alternative wont be able able t produce the current needed, therefore it requires the battery to power the instruments. Since the battery in bad condition, the car stalled.
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QUOTE(VeeJay @ Mar 11 2019, 10:51 AM)
The 1st case, seems to be alternator issue hence its not charging the battery.

The second case, maybe the car stalled when he slowed down or in heavy traffic. When the car is on slow traffic the alternative wont be able able t produce the current needed, therefore it requires the battery to power the instruments. Since the battery in bad condition, the car stalled.
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Hi Veejay,

Nice to hear from you again.

On the 2nd case, the battery wasn't in totally bad condition either. Using a Digital Multimeter it showed a reading of 12.66 V which is good but I have yet to receive the battery tester to verify that out.

However, your other part of the reply is the scary part. With today's modern cars the demand for power is unbelievable and a slight dip in battery power is sufficient enough to immobilise the vehicle is really a matter of concern.

Luckily he didn't have to pay for any hefty repair bills to his electronics parts etc.

Hence I truly believe in preventive management techniques to avoid situations such as these as they can be costly too。
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Mod super caps lor. Never need to change for many years. Only drawback, super caps are expensive. Easily RM 700+ but then again, long-lasting if always drive.
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Mod super caps lor. Never need to change for many years. Only drawback, super caps are expensive. Easily RM 700+ but then again, long-lasting if always drive.
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Now you've got my interest, what is this Mod Super Caps that you're talking about, I have not a slightest clue. Links anything, please & TQVM.
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Now you've got my interest, what is this Mod Super Caps that you're talking about, I have not a slightest clue. Links anything, please & TQVM.
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Battery died while driving but engine still running right?

Battery only needed to start the engine the rest is alternator jobs.

Or I am wrong?
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not really. if your alternator caput can die while driving
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Use 500f super capacitors as battery. Need 6 pieces together with balance board.
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You must be light years ahead of me as I don't understand whatever your talking about and it sounds really interesting too. I have so much too learn.
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You must be light years ahead of me as I don't understand whatever your talking about and it sounds really interesting too. I have so much too learn.
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Update: Lelong selling now.

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Watch the video below.



Update: Lelong selling now.
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QUESTION : Is it advisable to top up Maintenance Free Battery with distilled battery water 💦 ?

Sorry, I don't recall reading anything about this.
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QUESTION : Is it advisable to top up Maintenance Free Battery with distilled battery water 💦 ?

Sorry, I don't recall reading anything about this.
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Mar 11 2019, 07:42 AM)
Strange isn't it ? All previous posts that I've read suggest that vehicles can operate normally by removing the battery after it has been started. Under these circumstance especially the 2nd case shows otherwise ! Hmmm
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Alternator voltage regulator will need some time to respond when there's a spike. Sometimes devices/equipment in the car draw more power than usual and the regulator couldn't respond fast enough hence the car die without battery support.

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QUOTE(therain01 @ Mar 12 2019, 10:18 AM)
Alternator voltage regulator will need some time to respond when there's a spike. Sometimes devices/equipment in the car draw more power than usual and the regulator couldn't respond fast enough hence the car die without battery support.
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I think you've hit the nail on the head with that one.

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Hence the importance of having battery as a secondary source of power, without which the vehicle will definately come to an abrupt halt, even if the alternator is in excellent working condition.

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QUOTE(therain01 @ Mar 12 2019, 07:06 PM)
Received my spiral agm battery ordered from China and have it installed. So far so good. The terminal is a bit smaller compared with what we have here though. I'm running out of copper tape so I use aluminum foil to wrap up the terminal.
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Finally now I know what a Spiral AGM Batt looks like.

I suppose it must be of a good quality, otherwise you wouldn't be incurring all the extra costs just to bring it in. How much does the entire operation cost ?

What the lifespan of Spiral AGM batteries anyway ?

The Multimeter shows readings of 13.09 & 14.56 Volts, isn't that a bit too high and would that interfere with electronics ?

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Never thought I will say this ever, after reading so many negatives about Century Marathoner MF Battery, but now in my hands is this Marathoner that was purchased in 12/11/2016, which makes that 2 years & 4 months.

It has been charged up & hopefully it will remain that way until tomorrow morning for another test. Hoping to put this back into service ASAP. Surely the owner is at the edge of her seat too awaiting her battery's return. LOL

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Finally now I know what a Spiral AGM Batt looks like.

I suppose it must be of a good quality, otherwise you wouldn't be incurring all the extra costs just to bring it in. How much does the entire operation cost ?

What the lifespan of Spiral AGM batteries anyway ?

The Multimeter shows readings of 13.09 & 14.56 Volts, isn't that a bit too high and would that interfere with electronics ?
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I can't conclude the quality yet but what I can say it is a true maintenance free battery where there is no liquid involved unlike those so called maintenance free battery found in the market. No need to worry about spill. No sound at all when I was trying to shake the battery, pretty solid.

The higher voltage does not really worry me. It just 0.2 V more than normal battery. Basically most of the sensitive electronic in your car would lower down the voltage to requirement.

It is said that spiral agm charge faster than normal battery and I think that holds true. I deliberately have the battery discharge for hours, start the car, and voltage back to normal in just minutes (voltage does not mean charges it hold but it can be used as indicator though)

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QUOTE(cempedaklife @ Mar 12 2019, 10:09 AM)
you cant even top up an MF
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Not quite true. I have top up Amaron MF, Panasonic MF and P2 MF battery made by PT Astra.
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Amaron lasted for 7 years..
Come with Suzuki Alto that CBU direct from india.. from 2010 until 2017..
Later will upload pictures..
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QUOTE(therain01 @ Mar 12 2019, 07:06 PM)
Received my spiral agm battery ordered from China and have it installed. So far so good. The terminal is a bit smaller compared with what we have here though. I'm running out of copper tape so I use aluminum foil to wrap up the terminal.
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QUOTE(therain01 @ Mar 13 2019, 10:47 PM)
I can't conclude the quality yet but what I can say it is a true maintenance free battery where there is no liquid involved unlike those so called maintenance free battery found in the market. No need to worry about spill. No sound at all when I was trying to shake the battery, pretty solid.

The higher voltage does not really worry me. It just 0.2 V more than normal battery. Basically most of the sensitive electronic in your car would lower down the voltage to requirement.

It is said that spiral agm charge faster than normal battery and I think that holds true. I deliberately have the battery discharge for hours, start the car, and voltage back to normal in just minutes (voltage does not mean charges it hold but it can be used as indicator though)
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True maintenance battery is without liquid?
Then its called dry cell battery like those AA, AAA, and D size right?
Are you referring to this kind of battery?
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True maintenance battery is without liquid?
Then its called dry cell battery like those AA, AAA, and D size right?
Are you referring to this kind of battery?
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Bro, what Bro. Therain01 mentioned is correct. Just read slowly and you will be able to understand what he is saying.

The term Maintenance Free Battery is meant to mislead. The correct term is Low Maintainance Battery. I believe the term Free was adopted purely for marketing purposes.

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Mar 14 2019, 05:33 PM)
Bro, what Bro. Therain01 mentioned is correct. Just read slowly and you will be able to understand what he is saying.

The term Maintenance Free Battery is meant to mislead. The correct term is Low Maintainance Battery. I believe the term Free was adopted purely for marketing purposes.
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Thanks for the clarification. Some low maintenance battery does lost more electrolyte than other though. Yokohama MF gold for example did a lot of mess on my car when it spill during the trip coming back from Cameron, while the Panasonic wet battery does not require top up throughout its one year service (short life though).
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QUOTE(therain01 @ Mar 14 2019, 06:39 PM)
Thanks for the clarification. Some low maintenance battery does lost more electrolyte than other though. Yokohama MF gold for example did a lot of mess on my car when it spill during the trip coming back from Cameron, while the Panasonic wet battery does not require top up throughout its one year service (short life though).
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Agree wholeheartedly.

When I was given the Yokohama Gold MF Series for testing purposes, I was shocked to that it was "glazed" with signs of gunk. Shocked because after all the positive reviews from almost everyone, this is not something that I would expect.

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On Wednesday a friend visited asking about the battery indicator on the instrument panel. When he wanted to leave his Viva couldn't fire up.

Upon checking the electrolytes were low, so added battery water & jump started it from a bigger capacity battery.

Halfway on his journey, his Viva stalled while driving ! He couldn't believe it when I told him that it was possible. So met him halfway and gave him another battery for him to continue his journey home while I took his 8 month old battery for charging.

Reffixed the fully charged battery by next morning. On the same day he was told that the alternator had malfunction too.

Conclusion ...

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Mar 16 2019, 09:18 AM)
On Wednesday a friend visited asking about the battery indicator on the instrument panel. When he wanted to leave his Viva couldn't fire up.

Upon checking the electrolytes were low, so added battery water & jump started it from a bigger capacity battery.

Halfway on his journey, his Viva stalled while driving ! He couldn't believe it when I told him that it was possible. So met him halfway and gave him another battery for him to continue his journey home while I took his 8 month old battery for charging.

Reffixed the fully charged battery by next morning. On the same day he was told that the alternator had malfunction too.

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Yeah battery indicator turn on so probably alternator is bad. Check the battery if voltage is above 13V when engine is running. Anything less than 13V then alternator is bad.

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That is not good if the acid touch your car body.

BTW, white powder over terminal is also not a good sign. Poor contact, under charge, overcharge all result to white power.
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Mine battery have Powder stuck to positive post.
Is this undercharged or overcharged?
Have been using a refurbished alternator after original kong.

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Is Bosch brand battery ok? Shop quited 180, if trade in old batt 160. Also, are there fakes?
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Amaron lasted for 7 years..
Come with Suzuki Alto that CBU direct from india.. from 2010 until 2017..
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It sure doesn't look like any of the Amaron, that's available here.
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Mar 16 2019, 09:51 PM)
It sure doesn't look like any of the Amaron, that's available here.
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of course, in year 2010 i never heard this brand..
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QUOTE(amad108 @ Mar 17 2019, 02:08 PM)
of course, in year 2010 i never heard this brand..
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What I meant was this White coloured Amaron's casing is not found here.

Even the font type for Amaron is completely different from the Green coloured Amaron's casing that available here.

The different coloured casing may change for different markets like Varta but changing the type of font of the brand name ? So which is the correct Amaron & which is the fake ?

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Is Bosch brand battery ok? Shop quited 180, if trade in old batt 160. Also, are there fakes?
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If there's a warranty for the Bosch battery & that's supported with an accompanying Warranty Card, who is to say that it's fake ?

As to whether Bosch battery are good or otherwise, no comment as I have never heard of Bosch before. So it is with Energizer battery that I've recently come to know.

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QUOTE(filage @ Mar 16 2019, 04:19 PM)
Mine battery have Powder stuck to positive post.
Is this undercharged or overcharged?
Have been using a refurbished alternator after original kong.
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That's corrosion from the hazardous chemicals inside coming out in the form of gasses.

Clean the terminal posts & use terminal protectors. Plus check the electrolytes levels frequently now onwards.

By the way, what brand of battery is yours ?

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What I meant was this White coloured Amaron's casing is not found here.

Even the font type for Amaron is completely different from the Green coloured Amaron's casing that available here.

The different coloured casing may change for different markets like Varta but changing the type of font of the brand name ? So which is the correct Amaron & which is the fake ?
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well, i cant be sure of that.. but hardly known there's a fake AMARON battery.. so far never heard this kind of case here in Malaysia.. but what we know, all AMARON battery made in india right?
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QUOTE(amad108 @ Mar 17 2019, 09:00 PM)
well, i cant be sure of that.. but hardly known there's a fake AMARON battery.. so far never heard this kind of case here in Malaysia.. but what we know, all AMARON battery made in india right?
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That's what the battery player(s) would like all of us to presume, from India 🇮🇳 and that's it.

I recall my research into Amaron and I don't remember seeing Malaysia listed as 1 of the countries batteries are exported to; but then again Amaron website may not be up todate that time.

But with your picture and a different font type on their brand name, now this is where it gets really interesting. LOL

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That's what the battery player(s) would like all of us to presume, from India 🇮🇳 and that's it.

I recall my research into Amaron and I don't remember seeing Malaysia listed as 1 of the countries batteries are exported to; but then again Amaron website may not be up todate that time.

But with your picture and a different font type on their  brand name, now this is where it gets really interesting. LOL
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I thought it has a big presence here

https://www.amaronmalaysia.com/

and Tecxus Marketing is the main distributor for Amara raja

Powerzone is also from them

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Mine battery have Powder stuck to positive post.
Is this undercharged or overcharged?
Have been using a refurbished alternator after original kong.
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Well it is commonly assume that overcharge will cause white powder at positive terminal. Many were claiming such, probably due to positive terminal side was heating up when overcharged. As far as I concern, it's all come to the quality of the battery housing. Bad housing at terminal are causing leak after some time.

Answer to your question, no I can't give the definite answer and I doubt there's absolute answer out there.


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Well it is commonly assume that overcharge will cause white powder at positive terminal. Many were claiming such, probably due to positive terminal side was heating up when overcharged. As far as I concern, it's all come to the quality of the battery housing. Bad housing at terminal are causing leak after some time.

Answer to your question, no I can't give the definite answer and I doubt there's absolute answer out there.
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Here is a good explanation on it

https://jalopnik.com/heres-the-deal-with-th...r-ca-1796168791

Positive terminal
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Since that picture right above is of the positive terminal, let’s start there. The greenish-bluish crap is likely copper sulfate that’s been exposed to a bit of moisture. This is formed when the copper in the terminal clamp reacts with the lead in the battery terminal, helped along by the transmission of electrical current and sulfuric acid from inside the battery, and maybe seeping out a bit from various seams.

The chemical reaction looks like this:

Cu (s) + 2 H2SO4 (ℓ) → CuSO4 (aq) + 2 H2O (ℓ) + SO2 (g)

This copper sulfate does not conduct electricity very well, which is why battery performance will degrade (and, with that, you’ll get other electrical issues), and why it’s a good idea to clean this stuff off the terminal. Baking soda and water are good for removing the corrosion, because the baking soda will neutralize the acidic copper sulfate.

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Negative Terminal


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Now, if you have white powdery corrosion around the negative terminal, that’s different stuff and is there because of a different cause. The white powder is the result of a process called sulfation, and it’s usually caused by a lead-acid battery not being charged enough.

This can happen if your car is used for mostly shorter trips, especially if you have a modern, electricity-hungry car. Modern cars tend to have a lot of ancillary electronics that draw a good bit of current, and if you mostly drive in short hops, the alternator may not be running long enough to properly recharge the battery.
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Personally, I normally oil the terminal with wd40, there is a oil ring protectant washer thats being sold
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QUOTE(therain01 @ Mar 17 2019, 09:44 PM)
Well it is commonly assume that overcharge will cause white powder at positive terminal. Many were claiming such, probably due to positive terminal side was heating up when overcharged. As far as I concern, it's all come to the quality of the battery housing. Bad housing at terminal are causing leak after some time.

Answer to your question, no I can't give the definite answer and I doubt there's absolute answer out there.
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Bad battery housing, that I agree.

Another common flaw with Low Maintence (MF) Battery is the screw caps. I personally suspect that it's this too simplistic design is making it all the more easier for gases to escape as compared to the Flooded Battery designed screw caps.
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QUOTE(VeeJay @ Mar 17 2019, 10:20 PM)
Here is a good explanation on it

https://jalopnik.com/heres-the-deal-with-th...r-ca-1796168791

Positive terminal
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Since that picture right above is of the positive terminal, let’s start there. The greenish-bluish crap is likely copper sulfate that’s been exposed to a bit of moisture. This is formed when the copper in the terminal clamp reacts with the lead in the battery terminal, helped along by the transmission of electrical current and sulfuric acid from inside the battery, and maybe seeping out a bit from various seams.

The chemical reaction looks like this:

    Cu (s) + 2 H2SO4 (ℓ) → CuSO4 (aq) + 2 H2O (ℓ) + SO2 (g)

This copper sulfate does not conduct electricity very well, which is why battery performance will degrade (and, with that, you’ll get other electrical issues), and why it’s a good idea to clean this stuff off the terminal. Baking soda and water are good for removing the corrosion, because the baking soda will neutralize the acidic copper sulfate.

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Negative Terminal


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Now, if you have white powdery corrosion around the negative terminal, that’s different stuff and is there because of a different cause. The white powder is the result of a process called sulfation, and it’s usually caused by a lead-acid battery not being charged enough.

This can happen if your car is used for mostly shorter trips, especially if you have a modern, electricity-hungry car. Modern cars tend to have a lot of ancillary electronics that draw a good bit of current, and if you mostly drive in short hops, the alternator may not be running long enough to properly recharge the battery.
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Personally, I normally oil the terminal with wd40, there is a oil ring protectant washer thats being sold
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Which one to go for? Heard AMARON is better on longer life span, but from spec CENTURY technically is better?

AMARON GO NS40ZL (38B20L)
RC: 43
AH: 35
CCA: 265
-Maintenance Free
-Silver Plate Technology
-18mths warranty
-around RM205

CENTURY MARATHONER NS40ZL
RC: 50
AH: 38
CCA: 308
-Maintenance Free
-12mths warranty
-around RM185

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Which one to go for? Heard AMARON is better on longer life span, but from spec CENTURY technically is better?

AMARON GO NS40ZL (38B20L)
RC: 43
AH: 35
CCA: 265
-Maintenance Free
-Silver Plate Technology
-18mths warranty
-around RM205

CENTURY MARATHONER NS40ZL
RC: 50
AH: 38
CCA: 308
-Maintenance Free
-12mths warranty
-around RM185
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QUOTE(spreeeee @ Mar 18 2019, 09:57 AM)
Which one to go for? Heard AMARON is better on longer life span, but from spec CENTURY technically is better?

AMARON GO NS40ZL (38B20L)
RC: 43
AH: 35
CCA: 265
-Maintenance Free
-Silver Plate Technology
-18mths warranty
-around RM205

CENTURY MARATHONER NS40ZL
RC: 50
AH: 38
CCA: 308
-Maintenance Free
-12mths warranty
-around RM185
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CCA = cold cranking amps, a standard use in winter countries.

I don't think we need that lol
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CCA = cold cranking amps, a standard use in winter countries.

I don't think we need that lol
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or useful when u didn't start the engine for long period?
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or useful when u didn't start the engine for long period?
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nope, this rating only for winter country weather.

last time i bought my Varta he show my how high is the CCA.
when i went back only know that CCA is not applicable at our weather rclxub.gif

RC is more important cuz it's discharge of amps before battery dying
AH is amp hours, cuz we have massive electronics in our cars, and if your car has audio system which u keep bombing it. AH = amp hours. capacity it can give every hour

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Cold Cranking Amps (CCA)
CCA is a rating used in the battery industry to define a battery's ability to start an engine in cold temperatures. Generally speaking, it is easier to start an engine in a warm environment than in a cold one. The rating refers to the number of amps a 12-volt battery can deliver at 0°F for 30 seconds while maintaining a voltage of at least 7.2 volts. The higher the CCA rating, the greater the starting power of the battery.

Consider the CCA Rating if You Live in a Cold Climate
If you live in a cold climate, the CCA rating is a more important consideration than it is if you live in a warm one. Battery starting power deteriorates as the battery ages, so a battery with higher starting power should give you more confidence over time. Replacement batteries should equal or exceed the OE battery in ratings. Replacing a battery with a battery that has a lower CCA than the original equipment may result in poor performance.


Reserve Capacity (RC)
RC is a general indicator of how long a new, fully charged battery can continue to operate essential accessories if the vehicle’s alternator fails. It identifies how many minutes the battery can deliver a constant current of 25 amps at 80°F without falling below the minimum voltage, 1.75 volts per cell, needed to keep your vehicle running.

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QUOTE(AllnGap @ Mar 21 2019, 04:36 PM)
nope, this rating only for winter country weather.

last time i bought my Varta he show my how high is the CCA.
when i went back only know that CCA is not applicable at our weather  rclxub.gif

RC is more important cuz it's discharge of amps before battery dying
AH is amp hours, cuz we have massive electronics in our cars, and if your car has audio system which u keep bombing it. AH = amp hours. capacity it can give every hour

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Cold Cranking Amps (CCA)
CCA is a rating used in the battery industry to define a battery's ability to start an engine in cold temperatures. Generally speaking, it is easier to start an engine in a warm environment than in a cold one. The rating refers to the number of amps a 12-volt battery can deliver at 0°F for 30 seconds while maintaining a voltage of at least 7.2 volts. The higher the CCA rating, the greater the starting power of the battery.

Consider the CCA Rating if You Live in a Cold Climate
If you live in a cold climate, the CCA rating is a more important consideration than it is if you live in a warm one. Battery starting power deteriorates as the battery ages, so a battery with higher starting power should give you more confidence over time. Replacement batteries should equal or exceed the OE battery in ratings. Replacing a battery with a battery that has a lower CCA than the original equipment may result in poor performance.
Reserve Capacity (RC)
RC is a general indicator of how long a new, fully charged battery can continue to operate essential accessories if the vehicle’s alternator fails. It identifies how many minutes the battery can deliver a constant current of 25 amps at 80°F without falling below the minimum voltage, 1.75 volts per cell, needed to keep your vehicle running.
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so, AMARON GO NS40ZL vs CENTURY MARATHONER NS40ZL, century wins? but other recommend to take amaron due to longer warranty period.
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so, AMARON GO NS40ZL vs CENTURY MARATHONER NS40ZL, century wins? but other recommend to take amaron due to longer warranty period.
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so, AMARON GO NS40ZL vs CENTURY MARATHONER NS40ZL, century wins? but other recommend to take amaron due to longer warranty period.
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That the good thing about competition. Everyone is upping their game to increase their product market share and we as end users benefits from this healthy competition.

Warranty Period : Don't just take the seller's word for it !

Was inspecting an imported battery today afternoon. The reply for warranty period was 18 months. Not bad I thought, until I opened the packaging for a closer inspection wherein it's clearly stated 12 months in large FONTS !!! So I told the staff, how does your lady boss intend to cover another 6 months ? He just smiled.

Granted that each & every battery are different from one another even if it's from the same conveyor belt, the best chance for longest lifespan is the Warranty Period.

After which, I start comparing apples with apples, i.e. Batteries with Longest Warranty Period, Catalogue Number & Technical Data Sheet vs Price.

Finally after making the purchase, it's all about wise battery management until its warranty period is over and trying to squeeze additional Period out of it. smile.gif

Since my recent battery purchased couldn't crank the car within 2 months of usage and despite recharging it, it's unable can to hold its charge. Now I am awaiting an official reply from the manufacturer regarding this weird battery that I have. I've been promoting this X brand to all my friends since I've reached the 4 year lifespan with my last X brand battery but since this incident, I will now have to reconsider my loyalty to this battery manufacturer.

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That the good thing about competition. Everyone is upping their game to increase their product market share and we as end users benefits from this healthy competition.

Warranty Period : Don't just take the seller's word for it !

Was inspecting an imported battery today afternoon. The reply for warranty period was 18 months. Not bad I thought, until I opened the packaging for a closer inspection wherein it's clearly stated 12 months in large FONTS !!! So I told the staff, how does your lady boss intend to cover another 6 months ? He just smiled.

Granted that each & every battery are different from one another even if it's from the same conveyor belt, the best chance for longest lifespan is the Warranty Period.

After which, I start comparing apples with apples, i.e. Batteries with Longest Warranty Period, Catalogue Number & Technical Data Sheet vs Price.

Finally after making the purchase, it's all about wise battery management until its warranty period is over and trying to squeeze additional Period out of it. smile.gif

Since my recent battery purchased couldn't crank the car within 2 months of usage and despite recharging it, it's unable can to hold its charge. Now I am awaiting an official reply from the manufacturer regarding this weird battery that I have. I've been promoting this X brand to all my friends since I've reached the 4 year lifespan with my last X brand battery but since this incident, I will now have to reconsider my loyalty to this battery manufacturer.
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Cut it short, what is x?
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QUOTE(spreeeee @ Mar 21 2019, 07:04 PM)
Cut it short, what is x?
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As much as I want to say the name of the manufacturer at this juncture but I will not as the ball is in their court since I am awaiting an official reply from them on this issue.

Alternatively if you have followed closely to the previous postings surely you will know who are they.

With ISO practices, I would expect nothing like this to happen but since it has happened, I am glad there's a warranty period for this.

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Which one to go for? Heard AMARON is better on longer life span, but from spec CENTURY technically is better?

AMARON GO NS40ZL (38B20L)
RC: 43
AH: 35
CCA: 265
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-Silver Plate Technology
-18mths warranty
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CENTURY MARATHONER NS40ZL
RC: 50
AH: 38
CCA: 308
-Maintenance Free
-12mths warranty
-around RM185
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I'd buy exide matrix, it has more CCA than both of these batteries and has the long warranty like the amaron. Hope this helps you. If you live in klang valley I can recommend you a good seller of this brand.

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QUOTE(LemonKnight @ Mar 21 2019, 08:41 PM)
I'd buy exide matrix, it has more CCA than both of these batteries and has the long warranty like the amaron. Hope this helps you. If you live in klang valley I can recommend you a good seller of this brand.
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Some recommend cca is not to look for in MY.. anyway pm me contact?
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QUOTE(LemonKnight @ Mar 21 2019, 08:41 PM)
I'd buy exide matrix, it has more CCA than both of these batteries and has the long warranty like the amaron. Hope this helps you. If you live in klang valley I can recommend you a good seller of this brand.
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Now you've piqued my interest as I need to investigate which battery I should buy next. Please share the seller location of Exide Matrix or you could pm me also, cause I would like to include visiting Exide Matrix in my next trip to KL. Thank you very much.
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QUOTE(spreeeee @ Mar 21 2019, 09:38 PM)
Some recommend cca is not to look for in MY.. anyway pm me contact?
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Bro, if you are referring to AllnGap as some about CCA, then may I strongly suggest that you reread post #245 slowly.
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QUOTE(LemonKnight @ Mar 21 2019, 08:41 PM)
I'd buy exide matrix, it has more CCA than both of these batteries and has the long warranty like the amaron. Hope this helps you. If you live in klang valley I can recommend you a good seller of this brand.
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I guess there is no harm sharing the contact here on the thread...as long as it doesnt turn into a sales thread..lol.

similar to tyre thread we have, members do share shop location and price, so that future members could source easily and share their experience.
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QUOTE(spreeeee @ Mar 21 2019, 07:04 PM)
Cut it short, what is x?
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I am happy to announce that the X brand was Century.

It was today morning that I've received a call from Century HQ regarding this and like myself, they too were curious about this battery.

After some short explanation on the battery and some other issues, my heart kinda softened.

Kudos to Century for being proactive in try to resolve this matter. I was expecting a reply via my email but this phone call just made my day.

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I think I missed out the MOST IMPORTANT point from the earlier post on how to extend the battery lifespan.

••• # Use only batteries that meets the car manufacturer specifications # •••

With the ever failing currency exchange rate plus with the economic crunch, the rakyat at all levels are feeling the pinch and try to save a buck or two and it's usually the batteries that they try to cut corners in.

Any battery which cannot meet the car manufacturer specifications & gets put into service, that brand is going to get nothing but a bad reputation months down the road.

I've always thought that owners of expensive rides wouldn't cut corners but they too are cutting corners !!! Looks like this economic downturn has caught many even the rich, except for the super rich and our politicians.


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QUOTE(LemonKnight @ Mar 21 2019, 08:41 PM)
I'd buy exide matrix, it has more CCA than both of these batteries and has the long warranty like the amaron. Hope this helps you. If you live in klang valley I can recommend you a good seller of this brand.
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can recommend to me too?

exide matrix better or amaron hi life better? tq
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With so many different battery brands from various places Germany 🇩🇪, India 🇮🇳, South Korea 🇰🇷, Thailand 🇹🇭, Indonesia 🇮🇩, Philippines 🇵🇭 etc, is there any that's made in Malaysia 🇲🇾 ?
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Here's an update on a Century Marathoner MF Battery NS40ZL that I have been monitoring half-heartedly for sometime now. Yesterday owner informed that the battery has died after being in service 29 months.

The Official Warranty Period is only for 12 months or 25,000 km and this particular MF battery has outlived its warranty period by 17 months.

Now I will collect the dead battery for testing purposes and more importantly will closely monitor the newly installed Marathoner with all my heart and record some measurements down.

My goal is to push this new Marathoner lifespan to 36 months and this will be Case #1.

I like this owner very much because she's extremely receptive to suggestions on how to improve on her battery management.

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Installed a Century Ultramax MF NS60LS battery to the Toyota Vios on 4/8/2017.
Battery died on 7/3/2019.
Warranty replacement on 16/3/2019.
Shop said the battery cannot retain the charge.

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QUOTE(cucubud @ Apr 1 2019, 10:19 AM)
Installed a Century Ultramax MF NS60LS battery to the Toyota Vios on 4/8/2017.
Battery died on 7/3/2019.
Warranty replacement on 16/3/2019.
Shop said the battery cannot retain the charge.
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I haven't seen an Ultramax before, so I will consider you extremely lucky to own one.

Official Warranty Period is for 21 months.

I would love to break that record and see how far I can push the envelope with an Ultramax, if only I can find one.
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Mar 30 2019, 09:49 AM)
With so many different battery brands from various places Germany 🇩🇪, India 🇮🇳, South Korea 🇰🇷, Thailand 🇹🇭, Indonesia 🇮🇩,  Philippines 🇵🇭 etc, is there any that's  made in Malaysia 🇲🇾 ?
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CAMEL PRC company is going to make batteries in Kuantan.
Promote local economic, employment rate, bring down the cost of batteries in general, happy to hear?
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CAMEL PRC company is going to make batteries in Kuantan.
Promote local economic, employment rate, bring down the cost of batteries in general, happy to hear?
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Camel brand has good reputation back in their homeland.
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CAMEL PRC company is going to make batteries in Kuantan.
Promote local economic, employment rate, bring down the cost of batteries in general, happy to hear?
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Of course that's good news. Anything that bring down the cost for the rakyat is always good news. However it must never be at the expense of quality. There's always a trade of.

Then again the only way to really bring down costs is to improve the currency's exchange rate. Now that will surely bring about general improvement in quality standard. But economics is for some other day.

Now we have the Camel brand, I've also seen a Cheetah brand as well. They must obviously like animals.

I am a slow learner and I don't jump for every new brand that hits the market. Kiasu & Kiasi lol

Out of curiosity, has Camel released its warranty period, technical specifications & pricing already on its models ?

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Was inspecting a battery and this is what I've found ...

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Some kind of new S.O.P. ?

Caveat Emptor !

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Varta 10years.
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Varta 10years.
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wow! i got a partner now (mine 8yrs)....but as i said, the original fitted battery that comes with the car is different in quality compared to those being sold here

what car is it on?

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so far been use korea battery called AtlasBX since 2016.

3 years and still look strong. hope can last more than my first battry delkor.

btw heard varta one of best car battery
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QUOTE(VeeJay @ Apr 3 2019, 01:17 PM)
wow! i got a partner now (mine 8yrs)....but as i said, the original fitted battery that comes with the car is different in quality compared to those being sold here
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And theres a perfectly logical solution to that and it's all boils down to capturing an even bigger battery market share.
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[Q&A]

Q : It was asked before, was there a right or correct time to refill a car battery with battery water ?

A : The reply given was, any time is a good time.

That answer is INCORRECT. Can anyone figure out why is that so ? No answers will be given, but to anyone who answers it correctly will get a confirmation. smile.gif

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just got myself a replacement for the varta which only last less than 2 year. trying now the century continental sdfc. rated high cca and Amp than normal battery. even tested on my own. CCA was 500++ for a NS60LS size. RC is 73 minutes. quite longer than average battery of this size

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What cars are you using? Honestly my first Century was the Marathoner and I'm disappointed with it and will never buy it again. It lasted over 2 years for my car with countless jump starts within that duration coz I didn't use the car for 5-7 days. Now I'm trying the Century Ultramax which is supposed to be their best model and it is better but not by much. It also already need to be jump started a few times, not yet 1.5 yrs though.

I also often hear recommendations for Amaron but never hear that they can last 7 years! Maybe next change I will try this brand but I will not try Century anymore, not even their Ultramax.
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I was like you last time.

Now I just use a small screw, problem solved. Even leave it for 2 weeks, I still can start my car without problem. No jump start needed.
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QUOTE(SKYjack @ Jan 8 2019, 10:43 AM)
Battery technology has taken a huge leap recently. Many of you experienced batt life of less than 2 years. Well there are new & better batts in the market now. It all how much you want to pay.

New batts are EFB & AGM

AGM is the best and could cost $2k+. These could last 7years or more!
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What is the point if I change battery every 2 years and still save about 1k laugh.gif
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Car battery will last longer if:
1) The alternator is matching with battery (i.e charge current rate)
2) How much power loss due to car electronics during power off before next start.
3) Operating condition.
4) How long you drive each day (not how far really)

etc..... and of course your luck (unlucky to get slight defect in material and manufacturing)
I also experience the same brand that lasted more than 4 years and the other other one just 2.5 years. MF or wet, same thing based on my experience.
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FOMOCO

MF battery from Ford.
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that garbage less then 2yr i alrdy changed.

lucky under warranty
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Was inspecting a battery and this is what I've found ...

user posted image

Some kind of new S.O.P. ?

Caveat Emptor !
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You mean that metal plate?
That's what some mechanics put to increase the terminal diameter so that the connector can fit tightly.
I'm not sure if they affect the flow of electricity leading to less voltage flowing to batt during charging.
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QUOTE(joey2000 @ Apr 5 2019, 02:11 PM)
I was like you last time.

Now I just use a small screw, problem solved. Even leave it for 2 weeks, I still can start my car without problem. No jump start needed.
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Now I am really curious, what small screw is it that you use and how was it use ?
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QUOTE(Zot @ Apr 5 2019, 02:24 PM)
Car battery will last longer if:
1) The alternator is matching with battery (i.e charge current rate)
2) How much power loss due to car electronics during power off before next start.
3) Operating condition.
4) How long you drive each day (not how far really)

etc..... and of course your luck (unlucky to get slight defect in material and manufacturing)
I also experience the same brand that lasted more than 4 years and the other other one just 2.5 years. MF or wet, same thing based on my experience.
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The simplified version would be if the battery can be kept constantly under a high state-of-charge of 90% and above, only then it's possible to extend the life of the battery.

In my quest or rather obsession for perfection, I truly believe that there's a battery holy grail too. Until we've learn to stack all the odds in our favour, only then can we maximize the battery's lifespan.

You are correct about defective new batteries. If one is unlucky to have one, like myself recently, problems will occur within a month or two after the battery is put into service.

With a new replacement made 2 days ago, now I am looking forward towards smashing the last record of 4 years. smile.gif
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What is the point if I change battery every 2 years and still save about 1k  laugh.gif
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Maybe that's not what SKYJack actually had in mind. Would appreciate if SKYJack reaffirms this.

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QUOTE(eddyann @ Apr 5 2019, 12:34 PM)
just got myself a replacement for the varta which only last less than 2 year. trying now the  century continental sdfc. rated high cca and Amp than normal battery. even tested on my own. CCA was 500++ for a NS60LS size. RC is 73 minutes. quite longer than average battery of this size
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Varta less than 2 years ??? This is something I've never come across before. Please tell us more e.g. Model Series etc.


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Maybe that's not what SKYJack actually had in mind. Would appreciate if SKYJack reaffirms this.
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He may be right,as its cost effevtive to change every 2years. I was merely suggesting battery technology has improved! Options are available.

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Now I am really curious, what small screw is it that you use and how was it use ?
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It just connect to the battery, turn counter clockwise, it disconnect the battery. Can leave the car for 2 weeks.
Turn clockwise, it connect the battery. Can start the engine immediately, no need to jump start.



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QUOTE(joey2000 @ Apr 6 2019, 12:51 PM)
It just connect to the battery, turn counter clockwise, it disconnect the battery. Can leave the car for 2 weeks.
Turn clockwise, it connect the battery. Can start the engine immediately, no need to jump start.
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Now I understand what you meant. If only someone created something similar to that of the switch, life would be so much simpler. LOL
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Now I understand what you meant. If only someone created something similar to that of the switch, life would be so much simpler. LOL
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Plenty of those in Lazada, it's just a simple mechanism, very cheap also

https://www.lazada.com.my/products/fdikou-b...WOSsqR&search=1

https://www.lazada.com.my/products/12v24v-c...t7HnlX&search=1

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QUOTE(keyser soze @ Jan 7 2019, 11:42 PM)
Varta, come with the car. 5.5 years 110k km still running strong.
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Varta 90ah come from manufacturer (German Made) can last for 6 year for my BMW but after changed another Varta 95ah (bought locally) can last just 2yrs++
what can i say, the new battery just last one or max 2++ yrs only
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QUOTE(SKYjack @ Apr 6 2019, 07:39 AM)
He may be right,as its cost effevtive to change every 2years. I was merely suggesting battery technology has improved! Options are available.
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While it is cost effective to the rest but I doubt it is to the top echelons in our society like our politicians with their mind crazy rides.

I habour great hope that someday with further technological advancement together with economies of scale, that will see the phasing out of regular Flooded Battery. All these will only be possible when the declared economic growth is truly reflected in the currency's exchange rate. Anything else is just hog wash.

I am sure that those who can afford better built quality batteries would never want to go back to regular Flooded Batteries ever.

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QUOTE(dares @ Apr 6 2019, 03:35 PM)
That was pretty fast. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

Then again, perhaps I am just behind time. LOL
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QUOTE(zaly @ Apr 6 2019, 08:36 PM)
Varta 90ah come from manufacturer (German Made) can last for 6 year for my BMW but after changed another Varta 95ah (bought locally) can last just 2yrs++
what can i say, the new battery just last one or max 2++ yrs only
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Where did you buy that Varta 95Ah locally from that lasted 2 years from, from BMW Service Centers or from 3rd party ?

I am curious, why did you change from Varta 90Ah to Varta 95Ah ?

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During the recent school holidays, I had the opportunity to drive the latest Innova. Pretty amazed with it for a slow driver like me.

Curiosity got the better of me and I just had to find out what battery was in it. When I popped the hood, that battery had NO BRAMD NAME at all !!! This was the only sticker that was on it....

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Who knows for sure, maybe the battery manufacturer didn't want others to know who they were OR ....
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QUOTE(filage @ Apr 5 2019, 04:02 PM)
You mean that metal plate?
That's what some mechanics put to increase the terminal diameter so that the connector can fit tightly.
I'm not sure if they affect the flow of electricity leading to less voltage flowing to batt during charging.
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Luckily you informed me that it was the work of the mechanics as I thought that this was the work of the manufacturer. LOL

Battery post are almost round in shape. And so are the terminal connectors too. So that the both of them makes full contact.

Whatever prompted that additional piece to be added to the battery post is really a weird one.
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Apr 7 2019, 07:44 AM)
Luckily you informed me that it was the work of the mechanics as I thought that this was the work of the manufacturer. LOL

Battery post are almost round in shape. And so are the terminal connectors too. So that the both of them makes full contact.

Whatever prompted that additional piece to be added to the battery post is really a weird one.
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I'm not sure how modern connectors look nowadays but my old car due to wear and tear, heat or corrosion the original connectors have become too large in diameter to hug the battery terminal tightly even after the screw is tightened, the mechanics inserter that plate and hammered it in after the connector are screwed. Without the plates I can lift the connectors with my finger and it will just come off the battery terminals. Maybe you can see if your connectors are the same?
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Apr 7 2019, 07:37 AM)
During the recent school holidays, I had the opportunity to drive the latest Innova. Pretty amazed with it for a slow driver like me.

Curiosity got the better of me and I just had to find out what battery was in it. When I popped the hood, that battery had NO BRAMD NAME at all !!! This was the only sticker that was on it....

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Who knows for sure, maybe the battery manufacturer didn't want others to know who they were OR ....
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Googled that 360LN2-MF and Panasonic pops up more often than other brands.

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QUOTE(cucubud @ Apr 7 2019, 08:23 AM)
Googled that 360LN2-MF and Panasonic pops up more often than other brands.
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Thanks mate.

Must try to remember googling next time. 😊
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QUOTE(filage @ Apr 7 2019, 08:12 AM)
I'm not sure how modern connectors look nowadays but my old car due to wear and tear, heat or corrosion the original connectors have become too large in diameter to hug the battery terminal tightly even after the screw is tightened, the mechanics inserter that plate and hammered it in after the connector are screwed. Without the plates I can lift the connectors with my finger and it will just come off the battery terminals. Maybe you can see if your connectors are the same?
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There's a couple of cars under my care with the oldest being the Toyota Corona TT141 and nothing of such sort has happened.

Anyway no worries. This additional plate is not a problem that I am facing. Just that I saw this and thought of posting it here. That's all.
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Apr 7 2019, 07:37 AM)
During the recent school holidays, I had the opportunity to drive the latest Innova. Pretty amazed with it for a slow driver like me.

Curiosity got the better of me and I just had to find out what battery was in it. When I popped the hood, that battery had NO BRAMD NAME at all !!! This was the only sticker that was on it....

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Who knows for sure, maybe the battery manufacturer didn't want others to know who they were OR ....
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Maybe you want to measure the charging (output) voltage of the innova's alternator for your reference, since you have several toold to do so in your arsenal?

Both cold and hot reading.
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QUOTE(zaly @ Apr 6 2019, 08:36 PM)
Varta 90ah come from manufacturer (German Made) can last for 6 year for my BMW but after changed another Varta 95ah (bought locally) can last just 2yrs++
what can i say, the new battery just last one or max 2++ yrs only
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The Varta bought locally guarantee original?

Now those imported from Germany, some of them are recond battery (Varta)
As for those supplied through Malaysia distributor (agm, efb, normal mf battery), those are made in South Korea.

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Apr 3 2019, 09:16 AM)
Of course that's good news. Anything that bring down the cost for the rakyat is always good news. However it must never be at the expense of quality. There's always a trade of.

Then again the only way to really bring down costs is to improve the currency's exchange rate. Now that will surely bring about general improvement in quality standard. But economics is for some other day.

Now we have the Camel brand, I've also seen a Cheetah brand as well. They must obviously like animals.

I am a slow learner and I don't jump for every new brand that hits the market. Kiasu & Kiasi lol

Out of curiosity, has Camel released its warranty period, technical specifications & pricing already on its models ?
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For certain models, it will be 18-month warranty.
Namely
Ns40
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Din series still 1 year warranty.
Pricing wise is very competitive. Just sold a DIN100 agm for Rm800
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QUOTE(speedy3210 @ Apr 7 2019, 11:54 AM)
Maybe you want to measure the charging (output) voltage of the innova's alternator for your reference, since you have several toold to do so in your arsenal?

Both cold and hot reading.
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LOL I definately don't carry my tools for holidays. Since the battery had no brand name at that time, even with my tool, a battery report wouldn't be of any use.

I've been reading and this is what I came across that Toyota is developing their own battery. Perhaps this battery is theirs own too which could also explain the absence of the brand name.

Since someone was kind enough to highlight the possibility that it could be a Panasonic but I sure a trip to Toyota Showroom would reveal everything.

My only gripe with the Innova is the height when it comes to cleaning. Not enough leverage even with me being tall.

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For certain models, it will be 18-month warranty.
Namely
Ns40
Ns60
80d23L

Din series still 1 year warranty.
Pricing wise is very competitive. Just sold a DIN100 agm for Rm800
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Warrant Period 18 months is really not bad at all. That ought to give the competitors a run for their money I guess.


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QUOTE(allenultra @ Apr 7 2019, 12:53 PM)
The Varta bought locally guarantee original?

Now those imported from Germany, some of them are recond battery (Varta)
As for those supplied through Malaysia distributor (agm, efb, normal mf battery), those are made in South Korea.
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It's shocking that there's even recond batteries like Varta. Surely BMW wouldn't want to be in the recond battery business. Stakes too high. Most likely it's from the shady BMW importers.

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My only gripe with the Innova is the height when it comes to cleaning. Not enough leverage even with me being tall.
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Apr 7 2019, 03:07 PM)
It's shocking that there's even recond batteries like Varta. Surely BMW wouldn't want to be in the recond battery business. Stakes too high. Most likely it's from the shady BMW importers.
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Most Varta batteries imported from Europe have week/year on the battery terminal (positive or negative, cannot remember)

Those vendors usually recharge them, grind off the week/year and resell
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Most Varta batteries imported from Europe have week/year on the battery terminal (positive or negative, cannot remember)

Those vendors usually recharge them, grind off the week/year and resell
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Wait a minute. Here's a wild thought, are batteries being dumped into our country under a guise as battery business ?
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QUOTE(allenultra @ Apr 7 2019, 04:14 PM)
Most Varta batteries imported from Europe have week/year on the battery terminal (positive or negative, cannot remember)

Those vendors usually recharge them, grind off the week/year and resell
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I think my varta is from Korea.
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I think my varta is from Korea.
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Black or Blue Dynamic?
If so, from Korea.
Same as those Delkor, GP, Energizer. From the same factory
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Black or Blue Dynamic?
If so, from Korea.
Same as those Delkor, GP, Energizer. From the same factory
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I remembered is one level higher than q85, like 60Ah that model.

Which battery last longer in the market now ??
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Forgot liao
I remembered is one level higher than q85, like 60Ah that model.

Which battery last longer in the market now ??
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Q85 is higher than 60ah....

What car do u drive?
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Q85 is higher than 60ah....

What car do u drive?
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I turned off i-stop permanently d. Don't need to buy so high end ones
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Btw, anyone routed their battery to boot before ??
That should prolong battery life right since it's not in engine bay area

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QUOTE(AllnGap @ Apr 7 2019, 09:05 PM)
Mazda 6 2.5L

I turned off i-stop permanently d. Don't need to buy so high end ones
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For varta

Usually

55D23L
80d23L
95D23L (Q85)
115d23L (Q85)

2 years consider good already....


It is not those Varta AGM. Definitely made in Korea
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Isn't it funny.

Here we are or here I am thinking of ways of how to limit the load unto our modern car battery, and there we have manufacturers increasing the number of USB slots inside the cars.

Selling us features like start/stop functions, so that we have the opportunity to turn it off permanently ?

I wonder what will manufacturers think of next, just to entice and close the deal with buyers.

It's a strange world. 😂
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Btw, anyone routed their battery to boot before ??
That should prolong battery life right since it's not in engine bay area
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Its somewhere in this forum that forummer(s) have succeeded in relocating the battery to the back. Hopefully they read this and are willing to help you out.
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QUOTE(allenultra @ Apr 7 2019, 09:41 PM)
For varta

Usually

55D23L
80d23L
95D23L (Q85)
115d23L (Q85)

2 years consider good already....
It is not those Varta AGM. Definitely made in Korea
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How long is the Warranty Period ?
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Using Amaran NS60 on my city GM6...next month the battery will mark 4 years old...SC suggest me to change the batt, 75% balance...not sure true or not...
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How long is the Warranty Period ?
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1 year warranty for all Varta sold in Malaysia by official distributor.
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QUOTE(NinjaGaiden @ Apr 8 2019, 08:53 AM)
Using Amaran NS60 on my city GM6...next month the battery will mark 4 years old...SC suggest me to change the batt, 75% balance...not sure true or not...
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NS60? Possible can last much longer since the original size is NS40

Just visit any shops that have the battery tester, check the health of the battery for confirmation.
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Just sold a DIN100 agm for Rm800
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DIN100 AGM for RM800??!!

So cheap? What brand?
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Apr 6 2019, 05:47 AM)
Varta less than 2 years ??? This is something I've never come across before. Please tell us more e.g. Model Series etc.
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varta black 46b24ls, cca tested only 225CCA. kinda weak and I noticed it is weak to start a CR-V. The car is daily driven, no problem with the alternator, the engine can runs also when taking out the battery
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QUOTE(NinjaGaiden @ Apr 8 2019, 08:53 AM)
Using Amaran NS60 on my city GM6...next month the battery will mark 4 years old...SC suggest me to change the batt, 75% balance...not sure true or not...
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Without a formal Battery Test Report (example below), you are not obliged to listen to anyone.

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Oops forgotten about this. When the RED Battery Lights up on the instrument panel, I would say the battery is about going to be done for. You probably have minutes or an hour or two to go.

Some people hearing are so sharp that they are able to pick up faint noises of weakness in the battery ahead of time.

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QUOTE(eddyann @ Apr 8 2019, 11:21 AM)
varta black 46b24ls, cca tested only 225CCA. kinda weak and I noticed it is weak to start a CR-V. The car is daily driven, no problem with the alternator, the engine can runs also when taking out the battery
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I wonder what will happen when the battery is removed from car after cranking it up for an extended drive ?
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1 year warranty for all Varta sold in Malaysia by official distributor.
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It's perplexing isn't it ? Why is it that certain models of other brands even has better Warranty Period than Varta's despite its legendary reputation.

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true story.. i use brand RamCar.. original equipped battery Proton..

it lasts me for 5 years... and few months ago change to original battery..

very hard to get this battery type.. i looked almost 7 shops... all dun have.. end up bought at Glenmarie Proton...

cost around rm 200+..
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DIN100 AGM for RM800??!!

So cheap? What brand?
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varta black 46b24ls, cca tested only 225CCA. kinda weak and I noticed it is weak to start a CR-V. The car is daily driven, no problem with the alternator, the engine can runs also when taking out the battery
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Varta Black, confirmed made in South Korea (Delkor plant). 2 years (46B24L) kinda good already if you ask me smile.gif

I would say for Honda CR-V, its better to put in 50B24L or 55B24L. Should last longer on paper
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It's perplexing isn't it ? Why is it that certain models of other brands even has better Warranty Period than Varta's despite its legendary reputation.
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I question Varta salesman before.
Coz GP told us Varta/Delkor/GP all from the same production plant in South Korea, then the Varta salesman claim that Varta batteries using better technology as oppose to GP/Delkor/Energizer, and I asked why the warranty period remain 12 months? He kept quiet.

Johnson Controls own Varta/Delkor/Energiser, OEM for GP. JV partner of Amaron

There are no Blue/Black Dynamic from Varta till Johnson Controls bought them over. Then everyone gila want Varta (they thought everything made in Germany......)
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Camel DIN100L AGM - RM800 siap pasang, trade-in, battery registration

* Just sharing, will post in Garage Sales instead for other models
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I wanted to get this as the price is really attractive. However, it's from China and it's still new in the market. Rather spend a bit more to be safe as the battery is the only thing that connects and supplies electricity to the vehicle.

In the end, I got myself a Banner - Running Bull.
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QUOTE(allenultra @ Apr 8 2019, 03:45 PM)
I question Varta salesman before.
Coz GP told us Varta/Delkor/GP all from the same production plant in South Korea, then the Varta salesman claim that Varta batteries using better technology as oppose to GP/Delkor/Energizer, and I asked why the warranty period remain 12 months? He kept quiet.

Johnson Controls own Varta/Delkor/Energiser, OEM for GP. JV partner of Amaron

There are no Blue/Black Dynamic from Varta till Johnson Controls bought them over. Then everyone gila want Varta (they thought everything made in Germany......)
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You've hit the nail of the head with that salesman. 😂

I don't think Johnson Control ever bought over Varta the company. Johnson Controls only bought the exclusive rights to produce Varta batteries from Varta for these parts of the world.
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You've hit the nail of the head with that salesman. 😂

I don't think Johnson Control ever bought over Varta the company. Johnson Controls only bought the exclusive rights to produce Varta batteries from Varta for these parts of the world.
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I wanted to get this as the price is really attractive. However, it's from China and it's still new in the market. Rather spend a bit more to be safe as the battery is the only thing that connects and supplies electricity to the vehicle.

In the end, I got myself a Banner - Running Bull.
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Yes. I agreed.
Camel is very new in Malaysia, 39 years in China.
One of my friends, choose FIAMM over Camel. RM900 vs RM600
He said made in China cannot use whistling.gif whistling.gif whistling.gif

I ordered the Camel 80D23L (18 months warranty) to replace the dying Varta 55D23L (2 years), let see how it goes.

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QUOTE(allenultra @ Apr 8 2019, 04:03 PM)
Oops I am really sorry for my mistake. I thought I was so sure that even my German friend was extremely proud about Vartas reputation.

Wait a minute, something doesn't smell right with this. Just like the JV partnership between DRB & Geely on Proton. Despite Geely being the minority shareholder but they're acting like the biggest shareholder.

As for the Warranty Period with Varta being only 1 year, that too smells fishy. Something isn't right somewhere.

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QUOTE(allenultra @ Apr 8 2019, 04:05 PM)
Yes. I agreed.
Camel is very new in Malaysia, 39 years in China.
One of my friends, choose FIAMM over Camel. RM900 vs RM600
He said made in China cannot use  whistling.gif  whistling.gif  whistling.gif

I ordered the Camel 80D23L (18 months warranty) to replace the dying Varta 55D23L (2 years), let see how it goes.
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Is Camel company a wholly owned foreign direct investment or owned by locals or a mixture of shareholdings ?

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Is Camel company a wholly owned foreign direct investment or owned by locals or a mixture of shareholdings ?
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Should be FDI. Not sure of the Malaysia Sdn Bhd shareholder structure.

https://www.nst.com.my/business/2019/03/471...pansionary-mode
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QUOTE(allenultra @ Apr 8 2019, 04:36 PM)
Should be FDI. Not sure of the Malaysia Sdn Bhd shareholder structure.

https://www.nst.com.my/business/2019/03/471...pansionary-mode
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Those are some impressive figures, I must say.

Back with that kind of cold hard cash, looks like the Chinese are going to change how battery business is done around here.

It's either the competition pulls up their socks and match whatever the Chinese are giving or they will fold. It's only a matter of time.

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Camel DIN100L AGM - RM800 siap pasang, trade-in, battery registration

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DIN60 AGM jual berapa bos?

QUOTE(IamAHuman @ Apr 8 2019, 03:55 PM)
I wanted to get this as the price is really attractive. However, it's from China and it's still new in the market. Rather spend a bit more to be safe as the battery is the only thing that connects and supplies electricity to the vehicle.

In the end, I got myself a Banner - Running Bull.
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Lead acid battery is not some super high tech precision manufacturing level. Not to say that batteries are easy to manufacture, but the construction and chemistry is pretty similar across brands.

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QUOTE(allenultra @ Apr 8 2019, 03:42 PM)
Varta Black, confirmed made in South Korea (Delkor plant). 2 years (46B24L) kinda good already if you ask me smile.gif

I would say for Honda CR-V, its better to put in 50B24L or 55B24L. Should last longer on paper
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yes I think I notice it the marking got south korea...johnson control etc. I'm expecting it to hit 3 years at least like my last Delkor close to 4 years
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Hi what is difference between motolite classics and the normal motolite?
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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Apr 8 2019, 10:35 PM)
DIN60 AGM jual berapa bos?
Lead acid battery is not some super high tech precision manufacturing level. Not to say that batteries are easy to manufacture, but the construction and chemistry is pretty similar across brands.
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For me, I'd rather be safe in trusted brands rather than unknown brands. After all, it's fitted to a vehicle that cost probably at least 100x more than the battery itself.
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QUOTE(8brian4 @ Apr 8 2019, 11:13 PM)
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SPOT ON bro., and that translates to battery lifespan.

It's a no brainer that a battery with more load ain't going to last as compared to one with a lesser load.

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Hi what is difference between motolite classics and the normal motolite?
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Not a slightest clue on these models although I am loyal Century customer. I've noticed Century has a Service Center along the Federal Highway and I am sure they can answer any questions. I"m extremely that sure it wasn't there when I stayed nearby that area.

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The initial idea of creating this thread was to collect data from everyone whose batteries that had lasted for more than 4 years but Jessieccy was correct. It's pointless since everyone's battery management is completely different. Hence I've stopped collecting such data.

On the other hand, I've began collaborating with others unconsciously within my community in order to advance our battery management with Century batteries.

My own Regular Flooded lasted 48 months, current target now is 60 months.

Other MF Marathoner lasted 29 months, current target now is 36 months.

Journeying together maximizing battery lifespan is far more enriching. My only condition is that no third party is allowed to touch the battery, just the owner & myself.

Someone wrote earlier if I was a promoter for Century, it would be good if I was, but then again which battery company would want someone like me teaching others how to get the best bang for their buck ! I am just bad for their sales. 🤣🤣🤣

There's another brand Panasonic Regular Flooded which came new with the car and that battery is now 28 months. Will see how this goes.

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Normally if you send your car to a workshop for repair works you can see the mechanic's turning your engine on and off to diagnose diff things.
This surely drains quite a lot of power right?

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Normally if you send your car to a workshop for repair works you can see the mechanic's turning your engine on and off to diagnose diff things.
This surely drains quite a lot of power right?
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In Post #320, the report shows that battery was at 12.82V and it was tested again this morning with a reading 12.94V.

Conducting a correct battery test procedure hardly drains the battery when the system is in perfect condition.
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QUOTE(zaly @ Apr 6 2019, 08:36 PM)
Varta 90ah come from manufacturer (German Made) can last for 6 year for my BMW but after changed another Varta 95ah (bought locally) can last just 2yrs++
what can i say, the new battery just last one or max 2++ yrs only
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What BMW model?
supposed the original battery was absorbent glass mat battery? Did you replace it with an absorbent glass mat Varta too?
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It's really funny visiting various different battery shops and hearing them proprietors saying how good the quality of the batteries on their shelves while conveniently lumping other brands not on their shelves as substandard quality.

The reason being by the end of the day after taking into account of all their testimonies, there wouldn't even exist a battery that's good cause their testimonies would have cancelled out each & every battery brand. 😂 🤣
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QUOTE(outpace @ Apr 13 2019, 10:05 PM)
What BMW model?
supposed the original battery was absorbent glass mat battery? Did you replace it with an absorbent glass mat Varta too?
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I think a more accurate question would be was the battery that lasted for 2 years only, bought from BMW SC's directly or from 3rd party battery resellers.
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DIN60 AGM jual berapa bos?
Lead acid battery is not some super high tech precision manufacturing level. Not to say that batteries are easy to manufacture, but the construction and chemistry is pretty similar across brands.
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This is true

QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Apr 13 2019, 11:09 PM)
It's really funny visiting various different battery shops and hearing them proprietors saying how good the quality of the batteries on their shelves while conveniently lumping other brands not on their shelves as substandard quality.

The reason being by the end of the day after taking into account of all their testimonies, there wouldn't even exist a battery that's good cause their testimonies would have cancelled out each & every battery brand. 😂 🤣
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Apr 13 2019, 11:13 PM)
I think a more accurate question would be was the battery that lasted for 2 years only, bought from BMW SC's directly or from 3rd party battery resellers.
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Why car model, absorbent glass mat or not are not crucial questions to ask?


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QUOTE(outpace @ Apr 13 2019, 11:37 PM)
Why car model, absorbent glass mat or not are not crucial questions to ask?
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Those are important questions too but it's secondary. It's just me because I would like to know who are we dealing with and that alone makes all the difference.

Varta is Varta and they will continue to produce top notch batteries that will last for years, not just two years especially, even with Johnson Controls on board. Big companies don't just lose their secret recipe with change of shareholders otherwise there will be hell to pay. 😂


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Outpace, you know what ? Instead of waiting for a reply, I will try to start digging at BMW and see where I end up. 😂 Its always good to go with an open mind.
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Apr 9 2019, 09:53 AM)
The initial idea of creating this thread was to collect data from everyone whose batteries that had lasted for more than 4 years but Jessieccy was correct. It's pointless since everyone's battery management is completely different. Hence I've stopped collecting such data.

On the other hand, I've began collaborating with others unconsciously within my community in order to advance our battery management with Century batteries.

My own Regular Flooded lasted 48 months, current target now is 60 months.

Other MF Marathoner lasted 29 months, current target now is 36 months.

Journeying together maximizing battery lifespan is far more enriching. My only condition is that no third party is allowed to touch the battery, just the owner & myself.

Someone wrote earlier if I was a promoter for Century, it would be good if I was, but then again which battery company would want someone like me teaching others how to get the best bang for their buck ! I am just bad for their sales.  🤣🤣🤣

There's another brand Panasonic Regular Flooded which came new with the car and that battery is now 28 months. Will see how this goes.
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Flooded as in wet battery? My Panasonic MF is 28 months now. But macam dying soon. I don't have tester though. Just gut feeling and symptom.
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QUOTE(cempedaklife @ Apr 14 2019, 09:17 AM)
Flooded as in wet battery? My Panasonic MF is 28 months now. But macam dying soon. I don't have tester though. Just gut feeling and symptom.
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Yes you are correct, Regular Flooded refers to Wet Battery. Best to have someone analyzed that battery for you, so as not to get caught with your pants down. Meanwhile if I were you, I will start scouting for a good battery.

What car is the 28 month Panasonic battery in ?

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Yes you are correct, Regular Flooded refers to Wet Battery. Best to have someone analyzed that battery for you, so as not to get caught with your pants down. Meanwhile if I were you, I will start scouting for a good battery.

What car is the 28 month Panasonic battery in ?
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A 2011 Honda city.
Yeah. I know I'm playing it hard. Might be stranded. But the boy in me wanted to test for long it can. I'm already thinking to switch to amaron. But this is the only one lasted me so long. Except the stock one, but that time I don't drive that often. All my century last 1 year or so for me.
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A 2011 Honda city.
Yeah. I know I'm playing it hard. Might be stranded. But the boy in me wanted to test for long it can. I'm already thinking to switch to amaron. But this is the only one lasted me so long. Except the stock one, but that time I don't drive that often. All my century last 1 year or so for me.
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I understand. Times aren't good and it's not like everyone here has a sovereign fund like 1MDB.

Anyway if the battery fails to crank in the morning it's good. What's horrible is, when you're driving in the night and the car stalls in traffic ! My friend, Cikgu Ali was lucky that he wasn't hit from the back that night.

Finally Century has always been good to me max 4 years, so I am surprised that it lasted a year with you. Amaron, I've personally not tested it yet but good reviews so far depending on the model.
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The biggest misconception that's plaguing even the elders within my community is that the sole purpose of the battery is just to crank the engine.

That is so far from the truth. As I learn & discover more about battery I've began to appreciate the importance of having a battery in a high state-of-charge and trying to keep it constantly in that state.

What I reckon will be more challenging will be finding ways to prevent causes of battery failure. At the moment I must master the basic art first before going for the next challenge. 😂
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Apr 14 2019, 10:18 AM)
I understand. Times aren't good and it's not like everyone here has a sovereign fund like 1MDB.

Anyway if the battery fails to crank in the morning it's good. What's horrible is, when you're driving in the night and the car stalls in traffic ! My friend, Cikgu Ali was lucky that he wasn't hit from the back that night.

Finally Century has always been good to me max 4 years, so I am surprised that it lasted a year with you. Amaron, I've personally not tested it yet but good reviews so far depending on the model.
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Ah. I always thought if battery it will only make you not able to crank up. After start up, it's all about alternator. Hmmm.

Actually it's not a cost issue for me. More like feel good factor for me. Knowing a battery can last how long instead of me cutting it short. 2 years is already better than what I've had recent years. I've heard good things about amaron as well as varta. Coincidentally recently I saw an amaron battery shop near my area.
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QUOTE(cempedaklife @ Apr 14 2019, 01:56 PM)
Ah. I always thought if battery it will only make you not able to crank up. After start up, it's all about alternator. Hmmm.

Actually it's not a cost issue for me. More like feel good factor for me. Knowing a battery can last how long instead of me cutting it short. 2 years is already better than what I've had recent years. I've heard good things about amaron as well as varta. Coincidentally recently I saw an amaron battery shop near my area.
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Battery is for cranking only & no other purpose, is definately a myth. 😂

Varta standards seem to have dropped but strangely this applies to Malaysia only I presume. Varta in Europe is still extremely good.



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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Apr 14 2019, 02:17 PM)
Battery is for cranking only & no other purpose, is definately a myth. 😂

Varta standards seem to have dropped but strangely this applies to Malaysia only I presume. Varta in Europe is still extremely good.
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If car alternator fails, the battery will serve to power the aircond, spark plugs, radio and all things electrical while engine runs correct?

My alternator icon lit up before indicating no charge from alternator. After I had my alternator changed, the battery died a few days later. The drive during alternator failure must have took up all the battery charge.


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QUOTE(cempedaklife @ Apr 14 2019, 09:17 AM)
Flooded as in wet battery? My Panasonic MF is 28 months now. But macam dying soon. I don't have tester though. Just gut feeling and symptom.
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Some1 offered battery charger rental here in Automotive section; can't remember if it was in this thread or another. rent the charger (just for testing purpose)and just try to recharge this panasonic battery of yours in recond or agm mode and most probably it can be revived to its former glory.

the problem with most users is, they never bothered to read up on battery tech and just buy whatever shop recommends or marketing hype, i.e silver la calcium la will be da best of da best. fact is these silver-ca or ca-ca batteries require higher voltage alternators to fully charge. something your run-of-da-mill jap or local car alternator never designed for. agm/recond mode charging of newer smart chargers may bridge this mismatch.

would recommend you to take out the battery from your car to charge in agm/recond mode, coz i am not sure whether your electronics can take the 14.7v for a few hours during charging or not.

i revived my bosch sm mega power 38b24 (non-mf), which i suspect is a rebranded panasonic using this method. it is working like new again. now 4.5yrs old.
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If car alternator fails, the battery will serve to power the aircond, spark plugs, radio and all things electrical while engine runs correct?

My alternator icon lit up before indicating no charge from alternator. After I had my alternator changed, the battery died a few days later. The drive during alternator failure must have took up all the battery charge.
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You are correct. The battery is the only primary source of power even without cranking the car.

As for the battery that died a few days later after changing to a new alternator, it's plausible. However that raises a few more questions like :

i) Why wasn't the health of the battery verified at that time when the alternator had failed ?

ii) Why didn't the new alternator manage to charge up the dead battery if the car was driven long enough ? Or was it the short drives that finallly killed the dead battery ?
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iii) Was there a proper Battery Test Report done, after changing the alternator to ensure that the entire system is in perfect working condition ? If the test was done, the impending problem with the battery would have popped up !

No I am not blaming you lol but fact finding as we all are.

The truth of the matter is, to diagnose a problem like this requires the elimination process and with the right tools. Only then we can properly identify the real root cause of the problem.

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QUOTE(speedy3210 @ Apr 15 2019, 07:44 AM)
Some1 offered battery charger rental here in Automotive section; can't remember if it was in this thread or another. rent the charger (just for testing purpose)and just try to recharge this panasonic battery of yours in recond or agm mode and most probably it can be revived to its former glory.

the problem with most users is, they never bothered to read up on battery tech and just buy whatever shop recommends or marketing hype, i.e silver la calcium la will be da best of da best. fact is these silver-ca or ca-ca batteries require higher voltage alternators to fully charge. something your run-of-da-mill jap or local car alternator never designed for. agm/recond mode charging of newer smart chargers may bridge this mismatch.

would recommend you to take out the battery from your car to charge in agm/recond mode, coz i am not sure whether your electronics can take the 14.7v for a few hours during charging or not.

i revived my bosch sm mega power 38b24 (non-mf), which i suspect is a rebranded panasonic using this method. it is working like new again. now 4.5yrs old.
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That only works if all the cells are in perfect working condition. If there's a defective cell or cells among them, then there no guarantee that it will not fail in the short term.

Can't remember the exact reason(s) why other materials are added into the batteries by the manufacturers but I can safely presume it's for performance but there's always a trade off. Similar to that of Specific Gravity, the higher the value, the better performance it will have but that comes with a shorter lifespan.

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QUOTE(speedy3210 @ Apr 15 2019, 07:44 AM)
Some1 offered battery charger rental here in Automotive section; can't remember if it was in this thread or another. rent the charger (just for testing purpose)and just try to recharge this panasonic battery of yours in recond or agm mode and most probably it can be revived to its former glory.

the problem with most users is, they never bothered to read up on battery tech and just buy whatever shop recommends or marketing hype, i.e silver la calcium la will be da best of da best. fact is these silver-ca or ca-ca batteries require higher voltage alternators to fully charge. something your run-of-da-mill jap or local car alternator never designed for. agm/recond mode charging of newer smart chargers may bridge this mismatch.

would recommend you to take out the battery from your car to charge in agm/recond mode, coz i am not sure whether your electronics can take the 14.7v for a few hours during charging or not.

i revived my bosch sm mega power 38b24 (non-mf), which i suspect is a rebranded panasonic using this method. it is working like new again. now 4.5yrs old.
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but but but..if take out battery, wont i need to set back a lot of stuff? clock, radio, etc.

any idea / some hint where/how to find out the forummer that offered the rental?
edited: found it. thanks.

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QUOTE(cempedaklife @ Apr 15 2019, 09:43 AM)
but but but..if take out battery, wont i need to set back a lot of stuff? clock, radio, etc.

any idea / some hint where/how to find out the forummer that offered the rental?
edited: found it. thanks.
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Old vehicles no problems but it's the newer ones that are causing lots of problems even with changing of batteries !!! Silap hari bulan, kereta cannot start even with new battery. Masuk SC kena belanja lebih lagi pasal kena masuk program. Kalau tidak camne nak cari makan !

What you need bro., is battery memory saver wherein an secondary alternative power supply is linked up so that memory is retained while the primary dead battery is being exchanged.

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i removed NS40ZL battery(wet type) out to charge using smart charger. the car is used like 4-5 times in a month for short journey only

i think it's more than 24hours and the charging wasnt full yet.

when i took out to charge it was like 12.5V only. epic, replaced the alternator also cant charge it to high voltage around 13+

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i removed NS40ZL battery(wet type) out to charge using smart charger. the car is used like 4-5 times in a month for short journey only

i think it's more than 24hours and the charging wasnt full yet.

when i took out to charge it was like 12.5V only. epic, replaced the alternator also cant charge it to high voltage around 13+
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Higher degree of sulfation, I guess.
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My stock battery start to show signs of degration. If I send the battery to workshop for recharging/smart charging/ deep charging, can it restore the battery performance?

My battery is already 33months.
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My stock battery start to show signs of degration. If I send the battery to workshop for recharging/smart charging/ deep charging, can it restore the battery performance?

My battery is already 33months.
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It will impossible to restore the performance until its like new. It depends very much on the degree of degradation I presume for example if theres so much shedding until the anode is left the grid only without any active paste whatsoever, I doubt it will work. Would you know the measured and rating of the battery's CCA ? Are you in Melaka ?

I have 2 batteries that are 26 & 33 months respectively and they are in excellent condition. Taking care of lead-acid battery begins from day 1 of installation and some might even say before installation is done. 😊

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Finally departed my 6yrs 9 months old Century Marathoner NS70L battery on my Sorento. cry.gif

This time betting on Amaron 18mths warranty 95D26L - rm350

Let see how it goes!
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QUOTE(VeeJay @ Oct 2 2019, 08:00 PM)
Finally departed my 6yrs 9 months old Century Marathoner NS70L battery on my Sorento. cry.gif

This time betting on Amaron 18mths warranty 95D26L - rm350

Let see how it goes!
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What ! That's unbelievable. Great job man of taking care of that battery. 81 months. Please share what would be the greatest thing that you did, that would have contributed to such a long lifespan.

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FYI.

Shopee shocking sales + there is another rm10 voucher.

https://shopee.com.my/Bosch-Battery-Charger...9151.2290425118
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FYI.

Shopee shocking sales + there is another rm10 voucher.

https://shopee.com.my/Bosch-Battery-Charger...9151.2290425118
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Hi bro.,

That is interesting. I was wondering about this, how does one use the Bosch C7 as a backup power supply ? I couldn't find any videos on this particular function.
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Hi bro.,

That is interesting. I was wondering about this, how does one use the Bosch C7 as a backup power supply ? I couldn't find any videos on this particular function.
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i dunno bro, i live in a condo, i dont even have the luxury to have a power point near my car.
just second before i open back this browser tab, i was thinking "no point researching, since i cant use it anyway". that is after i try google and youtube a bit for research laugh.gif
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i dunno bro, i live in a condo, i dont even have the luxury to have a power point near my car.
just second before i open back this browser tab, i was thinking "no point researching, since i cant use it anyway". that is after i try google and youtube a bit for research  laugh.gif
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If you dont live too high up and if your car allotted car park is directly align with your unit below, are you not allowed to drop a very long extended wire to car to power the charger ? I am just guessing as I don't know such house rules.


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i dunno bro, i live in a condo, i dont even have the luxury to have a power point near my car.
just second before i open back this browser tab, i was thinking "no point researching, since i cant use it anyway". that is after i try google and youtube a bit for research  laugh.gif
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You can dismantle the battery and bring it back to your house for charging. There is the hassle of radio getting reset but otherwise, no other issues. Perhaps the ECU will get reset but it's fine. Let it relearn your car settings.
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You can dismantle the battery and bring it back to your house for charging. There is the hassle of radio getting reset but otherwise, no other issues. Perhaps the ECU will get reset but it's fine. Let it relearn your car settings.
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Some modern cars won't even start after all power supply has been disconnected and reconnected again. Those with such cars must proceed with extreme caution.

Why on earth they make such complicated cars which most probably buyers wouldn't even want, is beyond me except from the business view point. Resetting the presets on radio, clock etc yes can be a hassle but those that can't, is a real pain in the butt.

So as consumers, be smart and avoid buying cars that are nothing but a pain in the butt. Hopefully that would send a clear message to the powers that be.

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Is that even possible for Century Marathoner battery to last until 27 months? as my battery now is at 25 months.. it sometime show sign of hard to start in the morning... not always but like 3-4 times in a month.

Any brand recommendation for honda city 2013 battery type NS40ZL??

currently read that varta black premium NS40ZL (B19/B20) Group

34B19L - 34 Ah, 272 CCA (RM190)
42B20L - 38 Ah, 340 CCA (RM210)

varta black premium is not so good?? how about amaron GO?

any recommendation car center that provide good price?

i found is https://www.vinbattery.com/

he quote me rm 190 for amaron GO

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Is that even possible for Century Marathoner battery to last until 27 months? as my battery now is at 25 months.. it sometime show sign of hard to start in the morning... not always but like 3-4 times in a month.

Any brand recommendation for honda city 2013 battery type  NS40ZL??

currently read that varta black premium NS40ZL (B19/B20) Group

34B19L - 34 Ah, 272 CCA (RM190)
42B20L - 38 Ah, 340 CCA (RM210)

varta black premium is not so good?? how about amaron GO?

any recommendation car center that provide good price?

i found is https://www.vinbattery.com/

he quote me rm 190 for amaron GO
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A lady whom I am monitoring her battery, the last Century Marathoner lasted 29 months in a 1st generation Myvi. It use to last 13~14 months on average. That is an 100% improvement.

My own personal achievement with Century is 48 months but now am targeting to hit 60 months.

A forummer Veejay recently posted that his Century Marathoner lasted a cool 6 years 9 months in a Sorento !

If you are in Melaka, I could drop by see how we can improve on the lifespan if you are keen on saving. Since you want to try out other brands it is ok too.

No worries, I remember telling a friend of mine and she thought I was joking with her.

BTW, the battery that is slowly experiencing difficulty in cranking the car means that the battery is on the way out definately. However that could also mean that there might be a problem with the charging system. Get it checked out. 😊

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Always go for a better quality battery although it is more expensive.

A cheaper battery is bloody useless because some engine bay near the battery compartment has suffered so much corrosion from acid sulphuric leaking out everywhere from the battery. Maybe they are rich and could afford to change cars every few years.
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Always go for a better quality battery although it is more expensive.

A cheaper battery is bloody useless because some engine bay near the battery compartment has suffered so much corrosion from acid sulphuric leaking out everywhere from the battery. Maybe they are rich and could afford to change cars every few years.
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Yes I agree with you. My recent experience with a cheaper battery didn’t go too well. I bought a cheaper car battery because my regular shop had no stock of a reputable battery then and offered me a cheaper brand. According to my mechanic my car climate control software glitches could have been caused by the battery. He told me don’t get such unfamiliar brand battery. Oh well lesson learned. I also learned after having the car for over 12 years my car aircond has software to manage the climate control. I’m now using FIAM battery. So far so good with the new battery and software reinstalled. He assured its a very good battery. He also gave me a volt meter to monitor the battery condition. Will give you feedback.

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Yes I agree with you. My recent experience with a cheaper battery didn’t go too well. I bought a cheaper car battery because my regular shop had no stock of a reputable battery then and offered me a cheaper brand. According to my mechanic my car climate control software glitches could have been caused by the battery. He told me don’t get such unfamiliar brand battery. Oh well lesson learned. I also learned after having the car for over 12 years my car aircond has software to manage the climate control. I’m now using FIAM battery. So far so good with the new battery and software reinstalled. He assured its a very good battery. He also gave me a volt meter to monitor the battery condition. Will give you feedback.
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My sister-in-law just informed that everytime her battery is changed, she will have to return to the Authorized Service Center because of the bad battery install, it affects the air-conditioning unit. The crazy thing is this, she thinks the bad install, is a normal thing. The battery replacement was done by a heavily promoted installer company.

Her father trusted Century, I trust Century and now she intends to go for something that is cheaper by 1/3 of a Century battery price, which appears to be an in-house brand from the heavily promoted battery installer company. Wish I could post pictures of batteries that seems to leak sulphuric acid everywhere but I can't. Penny wise, pound foolish.

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Is that even possible for Century Marathoner battery to last until 27 months? as my battery now is at 25 months.. it sometime show sign of hard to start in the morning... not always but like 3-4 times in a month.

Any brand recommendation for honda city 2013 battery type  NS40ZL??

currently read that varta black premium NS40ZL (B19/B20) Group

34B19L - 34 Ah, 272 CCA (RM190)
42B20L - 38 Ah, 340 CCA (RM210)

varta black premium is not so good?? how about amaron GO?

any recommendation car center that provide good price?

i found is https://www.vinbattery.com/

he quote me rm 190 for amaron GO
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Amaron Go is actually the same class as Century Marathoner.

I recommend you to go for Amaron Hi-Life instead. If you want Century, get the new Century Excel. These 2 segments have higher CCA as compared to the GO / Marathoner.
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My sister-in-law just informed that everytime her battery is changed, she will have to return to the Authorized Service Center because of the bad battery install, it affects the air-conditioning unit. The crazy thing is this, she thinks the bad install, is a normal thing. The battery replacement was done by a heavily promoted installer company.

Her father trusted Century, I trust Century and now she intends to go for something that is cheaper by 1/3 of a Century battery price, which appears to be an in-house brand from the heavily promoted battery installer company. Wish I could post pictures of batteries that seems to leak sulphuric acid everywhere but I can't. Penny wise, pound foolish.
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My mechanic also told me not to get Varta battery as it’s no longer made in Germany. He used to stock them but not now.
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My mechanic also told me not to get Varta battery as it’s no longer made in Gjermany. He used to stock them but not now.
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When I witnessed myself new unbranded batteries rolling out from a shoplot, bro., at that moment in time this came to mind, unless it is from a reputable & trusted source, anything and everything is possible. The effects of a failling currency. 😔

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QUOTE(edisoner90 @ Oct 14 2019, 02:42 PM)
Is that even possible for Century Marathoner battery to last until 27 months? as my battery now is at 25 months.. it sometime show sign of hard to start in the morning... not always but like 3-4 times in a month.

Any brand recommendation for honda city 2013 battery type  NS40ZL??

currently read that varta black premium NS40ZL (B19/B20) Group

34B19L - 34 Ah, 272 CCA (RM190)
42B20L - 38 Ah, 340 CCA (RM210)

varta black premium is not so good?? how about amaron GO?

any recommendation car center that provide good price?

i found is https://www.vinbattery.com/

he quote me rm 190 for amaron GO
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Camel 18months warranty

Doesn't this make more sense? cheaper but longer warranty and higher specs.
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Camel 18months warranty

Doesn't this make more sense? cheaper but longer warranty and higher specs.
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Yup you are right, it doesn't make any sense. Having learnt that cheap no good and good no cheap, seems like there's a catch hidden somewhere.

However with Camel being relatively new into battery business in this country, this could also be the situation, an "introductory price" period in order to build its goodwill and its customer base up.
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depends on luck.
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A lady whom I am monitoring her battery, the last Century Marathoner lasted 29 months in a 1st generation Myvi. It use to last 13~14 months on average. That is an 100% improvement.

My own personal achievement with Century is 48 months but now am targeting to hit 60 months.

A forummer Veejay recently posted that his Century Marathoner lasted a cool 6 years 9 months in a Sorento !

If you are in Melaka, I could drop by see how we can improve on the lifespan if you are keen on saving. Since you want to try out other brands it is ok too.

No worries, I remember telling a friend of mine and she thought I was joking with her.

BTW, the battery that is slowly experiencing difficulty in cranking the car means that the battery is on the way out definately. However that could also mean that there might be a problem with the charging system. Get it checked out. 😊
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wow... i wonder if he drove that sorento daily or less driving period...

aww i am at klang valley... too bad it was a distance away.. cry.gif yea i was looking into how battery can at least last for min 2 yrs to 3 yrs period...

yea true that battery experiencing hard cranking mean having sign of failure soon.


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Amaron Go is actually the same class as Century Marathoner.

I recommend you to go for Amaron Hi-Life instead. If you want Century, get the new Century Excel. These 2 segments have higher CCA as compared to the GO / Marathoner.
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can i know which century excel model is suitable for NS40ZL ? is it 42B20L as in equivalent?? is century excel can fill in water or maintenance free??

i wonder why century come out with so many model/series without detail explanation for which type of vehicle (car,bus, lorry) for specific usage or grading of each type of battery series.
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QUOTE(speedy3210 @ Oct 14 2019, 09:51 PM)
Camel 18months warranty

Doesn't this make more sense? cheaper but longer warranty and higher specs.
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have u tested the performance of camel battery? china product need QAQC only reliable.
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QUOTE(edisoner90 @ Oct 15 2019, 09:30 AM)
wow... i wonder if he drove that sorento daily or less driving period...

aww i am at klang valley... too bad it was a distance away.. cry.gif  yea i was looking into how battery can at least last for min 2 yrs to 3 yrs period...

yea true that battery experiencing hard cranking mean having sign of failure soon.
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I presume its daily, cause my previous Century was used daily as well, in my 20 year old work horse.

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My mechanic also told me not to get Varta battery as it’s no longer made in Germany. He used to stock them but not now.
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yea only silver series made from germany.. blue and black dynamic are in korea right?? that why i read elsewhere... usually to reduce the cost competitiveness that why some of the good material are not being use so that it last just 2 years plus to match other major brand.
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varta: 3 years
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can you let me know which series of century/varta and the type of battery?

it is misleading by just telling the brand but not the series/model and battery model.. as some battery model the cranking is higher
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Does higher Cold Cranking Amp (CCA) even apply in malaysia as our weather wont even drop less than 20 degree even at night time.
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can you let me know which series of century/varta and the type of battery?

it is misleading by just telling the brand but not the series/model and battery model.. as some battery model the cranking is higher
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varta...not sure the model....it's oem from protong
century is marathoner mf
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QUOTE(edisoner90 @ Oct 15 2019, 09:40 AM)
yea only silver series made from germany.. blue and black dynamic are in korea right?? that why i read elsewhere... usually to reduce the cost competitiveness that why some of the good material are not being use so that it last just 2 years plus to match other major brand.
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Yup what you have written is correct. Batteries manufactured by Varta directly in Germany are able to perform much better than those manufactured under licensed elsewhere. Even batteries manufactured by Varta themselves, operating in Germany and operating in Malaysia ought to yeild different results since the climate are different and this will ultimately affect the battery's performance as well.
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QUOTE(edisoner90 @ Oct 15 2019, 09:35 AM)
can i know which century excel model is suitable for NS40ZL ? is it 42B20L as in equivalent?? is century excel can fill in water or maintenance free??

i wonder why century come out with so many model/series without detail explanation for which type of vehicle (car,bus, lorry) for specific usage or grading of each type of battery series.
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I think they are about the same NS40ZL and 42B20L but please verify properly from whomever you are getting the battery from. Alternatively you could write to Century Battery Official Store on Lazada for confirmation.

The Century Excel model is a Maintenance Free Battery.

There are many reasons for the various model and series from higher power demand for todays modern cars, to importation of batteries of varying prices, falling exchange-rates but I guess Century's management decided to provide batteries for the majority according to the majority's budget.

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have u tested the performance of camel battery? china product need QAQC only reliable.
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camel is one of the larger oem suppliers, even those new proton produced geely cars, some are using it. I presume a battery plant in malaysia is in progress, news since mar'19 :
https://www.carsifu.my/news/chinas-camel-gr...oton-a-customer

No harm buying it with the warranty and price. You get 1 segment higher product compared to competition.

QUOTE(edisoner90 @ Oct 15 2019, 09:40 AM)
yea only silver series made from germany.. blue and black dynamic are in korea right?? that why i read elsewhere... usually to reduce the cost competitiveness that why some of the good material are not being use so that it last just 2 years plus to match other major brand.
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even some smaller capacity silver dynamic agm are not longer produced in germany already. Only larger capacity produced from germany, i asked a few varta sellers before regarding this information.

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Does higher Cold Cranking Amp (CCA) even apply in malaysia as our weather wont even drop less than 20 degree even at night time.
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Yes and no.

The CCA does somewhat indirectly indicate the cranking ability and durability. Hence, higher CCA for the same capacity battery compared to another product, the higher CCA unit may last longer. Not absolute, but likely.

No because, we don't have cold weather as you mentioned. The lubrication system in our cars are always in a fluid state. Maybe those that live in higher mountainous areas may have a little concern on it. I remembered parking my car for 2 nights in genting, car cranked a little longer than usual and took 15 minutes of light driving for the engine cold temp dash light to turn off.
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Yes, using it in my father's saga blm. In the guise of GMB 55b20L, yes oem-ed with clear camel logo on cover. Bought in sep 2016. Still cranks strongly till date.
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Yes, using it in my father's saga blm. In the guise of GMB 55b20L, yes oem-ed with clear camel logo on cover. Bought in sep 2016. Still cranks strongly till date.
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This is the 1st positive comment I seen for Camel. Looks like Camel Battery is here to stay and other battery players better up their game to stay in business.
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wow... i wonder if he drove that sorento daily or less driving period...

aww i am at klang valley... too bad it was a distance away.. cry.gif  yea i was looking into how battery can at least last for min 2 yrs to 3 yrs period...

yea true that battery experiencing hard cranking mean having sign of failure soon.
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Yup, pretty much, but I alternate with my passat. I clock about 15Kkm per year on each car.

I think my passat battery might need a replacement as well probably in 2020. Its been 8 years plus with Varta Ori from germany.
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I think my passat battery might need a replacement as well probably in 2020. Its been 8 years plus with Varta Ori from germany.
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I forgot to mention when I wrote about my climate control software glitches why it is important to have a good battery with stable voltage.

During the update/reinstall the software my mechanic connected my car battery to a external battery (like a large suitcase) to maintain the voltage at 13.8+ as the car engine was switched off. This is to ensure the software is not corrupted during the process of updating. Newer cars nowadays have too many electronics + softwares, stability of the car battery voltage is important.


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ya...but now the headache starts....cracking my head...which battery to go with. Maybe Varta silver AGM...but its gonna be costly...heard its around rm800-1km....havent really seriously start sourcing.

If any of you have some info, do share ya notworthy.gif

btw, Roman Catholic had asked in earlier posting if i do anything different to maintain the battery...hmmm

The only thing different compared to my friends and relatives are...ensure the battery terminal is clean, apply grease at the terminal, check regularly the connector is tight.

I dont start my car immediately after inserting the key, will just leave it at ON position for 30sec or so before starting the car...its just due to electronics and no spike, which in turn "may" help the battery life as well.
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QUOTE(VeeJay @ Oct 15 2019, 04:28 PM)
ya...but now the headache starts....cracking my head...which battery to go with. Maybe Varta silver AGM...but its gonna be costly...heard its around rm800-1km....havent really seriously start sourcing.

If any of you  have some info, do share ya  notworthy.gif

btw, Roman Catholic had asked in earlier posting if i do anything different to maintain the battery...hmmm

The only thing different compared to my friends and relatives are...ensure the battery terminal is clean, apply grease at the terminal, check regularly the connector is tight.

I dont start my car immediately after inserting the key, will just leave it at ON position for 30sec or so before starting the car...its just due to electronics and no spike, which in turn "may" help the battery life as well.
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If you're not thinking of keeping the car for long, then amaron hi life pro or camel agm series, a good balance between performance and cost.

But since varta has been so good to your car, just go back to it nod.gif

Maybe you should just get a battery condition reading before you sink in money for a new battery. If still looks quite ok/average (definitely won't remain healthy as so long already) , might as well just keep running it until the battery dies/almost dead tongue.gif

Actually, about 5 seconds is sufficient, usually the airbag indicator dash light is the last to go off, after that can start already. more than that seems like an unnecessary loading on the battery. But who knows, maybe your technique is some unknown secret yet to be discovered!

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If you're not thinking of keeping the car for long, then amaron hi life pro or camel agm series, a good balance between performance and cost.

But since varta has been so good to your car, just go back to it  nod.gif

Maybe you should just get a battery condition reading before you sink in money for a new battery. If still looks quite ok/average (definitely won't remain healthy as so long already) , might as well just keep running it until the battery dies/almost dead tongue.gif

Actually, about 5 seconds is sufficient, usually the airbag indicator dash light is the last to go off, after that can start already. more than that seems like an unnecessary loading on the battery. But who knows, maybe your technique is some unknown secret yet to be discovered!
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lol...i said 30sec figuratively haha...but to me, it do take 30sec before i start, pakai seatbelt, take out my office id card, etc. But as you said, just 5-10sec is good enough.

I did get replace Amaron Hi-Life for my Sorento.....but I think i want CCA around 800...lets see what else I can survey on

This is the model i got for my sorento
https://shopee.com.my/AMARON-HI-LIFE-NS70L-...8188.1118889079

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Relocate battery to rear boot and any brand will last 4-5 years. The Varta battery for my old BMW E32 lasted 4 years. It is located underneath the rear passenger seat.
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QUOTE(VeeJay @ Oct 15 2019, 08:51 PM)
I did get replace Amaron Hi-Life for my Sorento.....but I think i want CCA around 800...lets see what else I can survey on

This is the model i got for my sorento
https://shopee.com.my/AMARON-HI-LIFE-NS70L-...8188.1118889079
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Your passat uses din70 or din80? CCA of 800 hard to find la....unless varta agm battery again....

European cars usually have higher electrical load requirements, so either get back oem or at least the highest product range (of non agm). Hi life pro is the highest range and not that much more expensive than the hi life series :
https://shopee.com.my/search?keyword=hi%20l...=0&sortBy=price
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My Century Marathoner running on Proton Persona (year 2008) lasted 4 years. Just change it last month and replaced with the Century Marathoner again.
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The only thing different compared to my friends and relatives are...ensure the battery terminal is clean, apply grease at the terminal, check regularly the connector is tight.

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By the way, what grease or paste you used on the terminals? Mine always have a little greenish buildup.
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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Oct 15 2019, 04:51 PM)
If you're not thinking of keeping the car for long, then amaron hi life pro or camel agm series, a good balance between performance and cost.

But since varta has been so good to your car, just go back to it  nod.gif

Maybe you should just get a battery condition reading before you sink in money for a new battery. If still looks quite ok/average (definitely won't remain healthy as so long already) , might as well just keep running it until the battery dies/almost dead tongue.gif

Actually, about 5 seconds is sufficient, usually the airbag indicator dash light is the last to go off, after that can start already. more than that seems like an unnecessary loading on the battery. But who knows, maybe your technique is some unknown secret yet to be discovered!
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It is the time taken when the key is inserted to when the Airbags indicator lights go off, that seems to take forever. 😃

That is for cars with keys but what about those with Push-Start button, the is nothing to follow right for lights to go off ? Tekan terus butang Push-Start button tu.
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ya...but now the headache starts....cracking my head...which battery to go with. Maybe Varta silver AGM...but its gonna be costly...heard its around rm800-1km....havent really seriously start sourcing.

If any of you  have some info, do share ya  notworthy.gif

btw, Roman Catholic had asked in earlier posting if i do anything different to maintain the battery...hmmm

The only thing different compared to my friends and relatives are...ensure the battery terminal is clean, apply grease at the terminal, check regularly the connector is tight.

I dont start my car immediately after inserting the key, will just leave it at ON position for 30sec or so before starting the car...its just due to electronics and no spike, which in turn "may" help the battery life as well.
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Good to hear from you again, bro. Thank you for your tips.

I think it is relatively cheap because say example Rm800 for 8 years, thats like Rm100 per year for battery. I think that is a very good deal. There are many who are unknowingly incurring higher costs than that amount.
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Camel 18months warranty

Doesn't this make more sense? cheaper but longer warranty and higher specs.
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Unable to get Century's Battery Ultramax, this 18 month warranty by Camel Battery does look enticing. So curiousity got the better of me that I started looking up Camel. It appears that only this seller states its an 18 Months UNLIMITED MILEAGE WARRANTY, where this is not indicated on Camel's official website and other online resellers indicates it is only 1 year warranty, instead of 18 months by that reseller.
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Actually life shouldn't be that difficult. If hv doubt, then just go for price.

Like the instance below..... the difference in price is worth the risk of getting an "unknown" brand battery. if it konks out, just move on to another available choice. And keep in mind, these are silver alloy SMF batteries, a grade above the usual marathoner, amaron go etc..

https://shopee.com.my/SPECIAL-OFFER-INCI-AK...6527.2894207723
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Oct 16 2019, 06:21 PM)
It is the time taken when the key is inserted to when the Airbags indicator lights go off, that seems to take forever. 😃

That is for cars with keys but what about those with Push-Start button, the is nothing to follow right for lights to go off ? Tekan terus butang Push-Start button tu.
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Don't tekan brake, just push one or 2 times on the start button (depends on car model). When all dash indicator lights stabalise, press on the brake and press start button again. Car start like normal smile.gif

Even push start button car also need a method to go into accessory mode right even without starting the engine.

QUOTE(speedy3210 @ Oct 16 2019, 10:23 PM)
Actually life shouldn't be that difficult. If hv doubt, then just go for price.

Like the instance below..... the difference in price is worth the risk of getting an "unknown" brand battery. if it konks out, just move on to another available choice. And keep in mind, these are silver alloy SMF batteries, a grade above the usual marathoner, amaron go etc..

https://shopee.com.my/SPECIAL-OFFER-INCI-AK...6527.2894207723
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Just that some people don't like the nuisance/hassle of a sudden breakdown at the most inopportune timing.

Pros and cons, risk sendiri tanggung after weighing it.
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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Oct 16 2019, 10:35 AM)
Your passat uses din70 or din80? CCA of 800 hard to find la....unless varta agm battery again....

European cars usually have higher electrical load requirements, so either get back oem or at least the highest product range (of non agm). Hi life pro is the highest range and not that much more expensive than the hi life series :
https://shopee.com.my/search?keyword=hi%20l...=0&sortBy=price
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Camel Din70 CCA quite high though 760cca
https://camelpower.com.my/agm-battery/

https://www.instagram.com/p/B3j9G6_BNml/
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Oct 16 2019, 08:47 PM)
Unable to get Century's Battery Ultramax, this 18 month warranty by Camel Battery does look enticing. So curiousity got the better of me that I started looking up Camel. It appears that only this seller states its an 18 Months UNLIMITED MILEAGE WARRANTY, where this is not indicated on Camel's official website and other online resellers indicates it is only 1 year warranty, instead of 18 months by that reseller.
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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Oct 17 2019, 02:37 PM)
Don't tekan brake, just push one or 2 times on the start button (depends on car model). When all dash indicator lights stabalise, press on the brake and press start button again. Car start like normal smile.gif

Even push start button car also need a method to go into accessory mode right even without starting the engine.
Just that some people don't like the nuisance/hassle of a sudden breakdown at the most inopportune timing.

Pros and cons, risk sendiri tanggung after weighing it.
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I'd rather retire a dying battery than being stranded with a dead battery. At least I am at the advantage of selecting a good battery that is in best of condition, than having "force" to accept whatever battery in time of distress.
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Normal spec = 1 year warranty
Premium spec = 18 months warranty
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What about Camel EFB & AGM Batteries ?
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Buy new every 2 years, peace of mind.
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The only real peace of mind is to retire the battery, when its warranty period ends. Should anything happen for example like a battery explosion after the warranty period, then I guess its tough luck.
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Don't tekan brake, just push one or 2 times on the start button (depends on car model). When all dash indicator lights stabalise, press on the brake and press start button again. Car start like normal smile.gif

Even push start button car also need a method to go into accessory mode right even without starting the engine.

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So that's the trick. Been wondering about it for a long time now. 😁 Thank you bro.
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The only real peace of mind is to retire the battery, when its warranty period ends. Should anything happen for example like a battery explosion after the warranty period, then I guess its tough luck.
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That's what I have been doing all these while....

AGM and EFB should be 1 Yr
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AGM can last beyond 1 year la, even EFB more inferior also can last that....

If you're doing precautionary procedure like this all along, either :
1) you're loaded enough to do that, consider changing battery like yearly insurance policy premium
2) you're chose a battery size smaller than required, thereby draining the battery much faster
3) you're car has some phantom load, draining the battery unnecessarily after shutting the car off
4) you're car only go for supermarket drive, per drive timing before turning off within 10 minutes, car haven't fully warmed up already reached destination

So which you belong?
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currently im running on amaron battery for 2+ years... so far so good...
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QUOTE(Ricky300 @ Oct 18 2019, 07:27 AM)
That's what I have been doing all these while....

AGM and EFB should be 1 Yr
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currently im running on amaron battery for 2+ years... so far so good...
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I was referring to the warranty period bro.... doh.gif doh.gif

Even Varta offers 1 year warranty for AGM DIN100 for my dad's F10 whistling.gif whistling.gif
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I was referring to the warranty period bro.... doh.gif  doh.gif

Even Varta offers 1 year warranty for AGM DIN100 for my dad's F10  whistling.gif  whistling.gif
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Do old carburettor cars have better lasting battery than modern EFI cars?
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Do old carburettor cars have better lasting battery than modern EFI cars?
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Not necessarily longer lasting as old car has its own set of problem

Poor alternator output
Bad ground
Parasitic/phantom load due to old wires
Etc etc

But if everything is in good shape, carb car should hv less electrical load than an EFI car, thus longer alternator n battery life.... barring manufacturing defects on batt n alternator
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QUOTE(JUSTmee @ Oct 16 2019, 10:39 AM)
My Century Marathoner running on Proton Persona (year 2008) lasted 4 years. Just change it last month and replaced with the Century Marathoner again.
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What's the mileage over these 4 yrs? No point lasting 4 yrs when it's used only 3 months once or so....
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What's the mileage over these 4 yrs? No point lasting 4 yrs when it's used only 3 months once or so....
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Good question bro., mileage.

I have tried using that method before running the car every 1~2 months but ended up losing the batteries instead over the years. Definately due to stratification and sulfation. Even with the negative terminal disconnected, I thought it would make a difference, alas no !

Really regret not taking down the mileage during installation of the battery that lasted 4 years. Now every new battery is dated with its mileage recorded during installation as well.

Wait a minute about data, if I am not mistaken its our bro. Veejay whom has achieved 81 months with 15,000 mileage on average per year with Century Marathoner NS70L on his Sorento, if I had interpreted that correctly.

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There was a time Century batteries used to last just until the warranty was over, until I found this forum. Sifting through countless posts it's soon apparent that proper care & maintenance is required to maintain the state of health over a longer duration.

Since putting things into practice I've managed to prolong the Century battery to the 4 year mark compared to all previous Century batteries in the past.

The idea of this thread is to collect data to identify batteries that generally last more than 4 years, however having said that I still would want to change battery once it reaches the 4 year mark due to various other reasons.
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i wish i could help you here, but all i can say is that it depends on the type of battery and its manufacturing, and how well you care for it.

For type you have sealed and unsealed. Sealed will last for usually 2 years or more, while unsealed you need to top up every no and then but will last longer, countered by battery fluid costs, so thats something to consider. people consider time important and dont like to open the bonnet to top up the battery or do the usual maintenance checks. Also when you change your battery, most places will sell you a sealed unit.

For taking care of your battery, turn off as much stuff as you can when you leave the car or turn the engine on. The less load you put on your battery, the longer it lasts. Its not just heat and humidity (which can make unsealed batteries even worse), but how much of the battery is actually used. Thats why if you leave the car sitting for longer it can reduce the life span of your battery. The life span of a battery is calculated by watt hours total over a period before it starts to degrade from time. For example lithium is said to be 500 charges or 5 years before it starts to degrade, this means that after you have discharged and charged it 500 times in total (if you only use 50% capacity thats 1000 times), then it will degrade after. So battery care actually places a more important role. Before you plug that key in, make sure your AC is off, lights, everything, even what you plug into the cig lighter or any other electronics you can turn off.

Lead acid batteries used by cars can handle higher amp drains for shorter periods of times, but have a lot less capacity, so draining the capacity like as if its a regular NIMH or Lithium battery is a bad idea.

In the US there is a very good recycling facility for batteries, everything of the battery is recycled.

Start stop cars also need a better battery too, so this would be an important point to separate when gathering data. Hybrids will simply use the lithium (or NIMH in the case of toyota) for the engine as the huge packs of batteries, and perhaps if they did add capacitors for the load will do the job better. There are attempts at using super caps mixed with lithium so the caps are used to start the car while the lithium keeps the alarm and computer powered when the engine is off. It was found to be lighter and more efficient in fuel too with the start being instant.
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i wish i could help you here, but all i can say is that it depends on the type of battery and its manufacturing, and how well you care for it.

For type you have sealed and unsealed. Sealed will last for usually 2 years or more, while unsealed you need to top up every no and then but will last longer, countered by battery fluid costs, so thats something to consider. people consider time important and dont like to open the bonnet to top up the battery or do the usual maintenance checks. Also when you change your battery, most places will sell you a sealed unit.

For taking care of your battery, turn off as much stuff as you can when you leave the car or turn the engine on. The less load you put on your battery, the longer it lasts. Its not just heat and humidity (which can make unsealed batteries even worse), but how much of the battery is actually used. Thats why if you leave the car sitting for longer it can reduce the life span of your battery. The life span of a battery is calculated by watt hours total over a period before it starts to degrade from time. For example lithium is said to be 500 charges or 5 years before it starts to degrade, this means that after you have discharged and charged it 500 times in total (if you only use 50% capacity thats 1000 times), then it will degrade after. So battery care actually places a more important role. Before you plug that key in, make sure your AC is off, lights, everything, even what you plug into the cig lighter or any other electronics you can turn off.

Lead acid batteries used by cars can handle higher amp drains for shorter periods of times, but have a lot less capacity, so draining the capacity like as if its a regular NIMH or Lithium battery is a bad idea.

In the US there is a very good recycling facility for batteries, everything of the battery is recycled.

Start stop cars also need a better battery too, so this would be an important point to separate when gathering data. Hybrids will simply use the lithium (or NIMH in the case of toyota) for the engine as the huge packs of batteries, and perhaps if they did add capacitors for the load will do the job better. There are attempts at using super caps mixed with lithium so the caps are used to start the car while the lithium keeps the alarm and computer powered when the engine is off. It was found to be lighter and more efficient in fuel too with the start being instant.
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Bro., you've been a great help and you don't even know that ! 😊 Thanks man, what you have written reinforces what I have been thinking.

I do acknowledge that other countries has strict guidelines about used lead-acid batteries and I am still trying to figure out what actually happens these batteries here, once they are done.

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Bro., you've been a great help and you don't even know that ! 😊 Thanks man, what you have written reinforces what I have been thinking.

I do acknowledge that other countries has strict guidelines about used lead-acid batteries and I am still trying to figure out what actually happens these batteries here, once they are done.
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This would be the best replacement for modern day cars to get that 5-10 year battery life period we used to get long ago. For malaysia i would suggest NIMH over lithium. It not only is lighter than lead acid but even better when starting the engine and more efficient.

The only limitation is that you cant have a higher amp drain over a long time period like you can with lead acid battery if you plan to strap a KW inverter to it to power something else. The design is very similar to those portable engine starters when your battery is too weak, as its just a small battery with a bunch of super caps.
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Amaron battery for Honda city 2015 typically comes with how many years of warranty?

A shop offered me only rm 170 while the rest rm 200+, is the shop trustable?

And amaron battery seems to be recommended by many and last longer.

But how about varta?
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Batteries hate:
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- deep discharge (0%)
- hard work (under-specced batteries work harder)

So, if you want a long lasting battery
- relocate battery to the boot (if possible)
- drive everyday and more than 15 mins per trip
- trickle charge your battery when you dont drive
- get a more powerful battery than the OEM spec

Following these tips, you may get 3-6 years of battery life

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QUOTE(MasBoleh! @ Oct 22 2019, 03:16 AM)
Amaron battery for Honda city 2015 typically comes with how many years of warranty?

A shop offered me only rm 170 while the rest rm 200+, is the shop trustable?

And amaron battery seems to be recommended by many and last longer.

But how about varta?
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If I not mistaken, Amaron has 3 specs ...low, medium and high spec....the only that selling RM170 could be the lowest spec....(I could be wrong)

Try camel la...cheap cheap...city only use ns40zl...got 18 months warranty somemore
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- get a more powerful battery than the OEM spec

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not necessarily...

but larger capacity/upsize, that will help a lot...
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QUOTE(Ricky300 @ Oct 22 2019, 03:49 PM)
If I not mistaken, Amaron has 3 specs ...low, medium and high spec....the only that selling RM170 could be the lowest spec....(I could be wrong)

Try camel la...cheap cheap...city only use ns40zl...got 18 months warranty somemore
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oh my god, thank you for telling me.

I didnt know got few different specs sweat.gif

So far, none of the shop i know sell camel. Got a lot of them sell Varta though, even got a larger Varta unit.
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Oooppps I think I must add a qualification to that post. A good battery charger must be able to raise the specific gravity to 1.27, to indicate 100% State-of-Charge. Inability to do so, would suggest an inappropriate battery charger for the job or the lead-acid battery has suffered way too much sulfation internally for it to retain its galvanic properties.

At the end of the day, I think trying to maintain the chemical properties inside the battery is of primary importance. My suspicions is that, if that is even "possible", then lead-acid battery can most plausibly last indefinitely. At least thats my hope and at the moment, only Veejay has proven that its possible with an even longer lifespan of 81 months.

For now I have 2 other batteries thats fast approach 3 years, time will tell. However I wonder if size of the battery would make any difference say NS40ZL against DIN88 under same operating conditions. Hmmm

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For now I have 2 other batteries thats fast approach 3 years, time will tell. However I wonder if size of the battery would make any difference say NS40ZL against DIN88 under same operating conditions. Hmmm
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Certainly....my NS60R battery can only last less than 2 yrs but my DIN100 still kicking after 3.5 yrs
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The battery SOH reach 56% still can last for how long?

What the minimum % before it die....
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Using Amaran NS60 on my city GM6...next month the battery will mark 4 years old...SC suggest me to change the batt, 75% balance...not sure true or not...
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May I know your NS60 is it high life?
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The battery SOH reach 56% still can last for how long?

What the minimum % before it die....
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Do u have any reading on the Impedance/ressistance of the battery? The impedance will determine the % of the performance loss during cranking. High impedance will result lower power cranking capability.
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Oct 23 2019, 04:46 PM)
Oooppps I think I must add a qualification to that post. A good battery charger must be able to raise the specific gravity to 1.27, to indicate 100% State-of-Charge.
Uh, based on what I heard from the tech dudes from the manufacturers. According to them, SG 1.27 is considered overcharged(which will result faster plate corrosion) already.
Our local climate suggest using the SG 1.25 not SG 1.27. As the SG 1.27 is needed for those area which has winter season (to prevent the electrolyte in battery from freezing during winter).

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Do u have any reading on the Impedance/ressistance of the battery? The impedance will determine the % of the performance loss during cranking. High impedance will result lower power cranking capability.
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375 CCA, SOC 98%, R=7.98, 12.84 V, SOH = 56%
Last mth reading, 395 CCA, SOC 98%, R=7.54, 12.82 V, SOH=62%

I'm using Amaron high life pro on my old Persona. During usage of 2 years, the SOH still good, now is 2 years and 3 months, can see the SoH keep dropping... with some acid flow out on cover. Sign of end soon... i just hope can last few more months....
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QUOTE(dannyw @ Oct 27 2019, 08:20 AM)
375 CCA, SOC 98%, R=7.98, 12.84 V, SOH = 56%
Last mth reading, 395 CCA, SOC 98%, R=7.54, 12.82 V, SOH=62%

I'm using Amaron high life pro on my old Persona. During usage of 2 years, the SOH still good, now is 2 years and 3 months, can see the SoH keep dropping... with some acid flow out on cover. Sign of end soon... i just hope can last few more months....
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You're using the unsealed battery? What would you recommend for a regular sedan but im also a power user in that even my laptop is already 260W, and planning to get an inverter capable of continuous 2KW+ though mostly for passenger to use when driving (will ask workshop to run separate wire with the right terminal inside). Though not planning to use a lot of power when the engine is off, only thing to power before starting the engine are the dash cams (planning on front and back), and a custom reverse camera (screen + camera) which would get powered when the key is inserted.

Any way to replace the electrodes after it wears out or must the whole battery be replaced? I'd like to do DIY but supercaps cost a lot, was thinking of having a supercap + NIMH solution in the future when i have money as i can do the circuit part myself even the assembly, only thing is the caps itself are very very expensive.

They might use lithium in the west, but in malaysia i find lithium to be a poor solution since it tends to go bad faster.
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I gave up trying to look for a battery that’ll last 4 years. For some reason the original battery that comes with the car lasts 3-5 years (Bmw and vw in my case). I tried replacing with the highest spec I can find.. even Varta agm which costs 1.6k, and it died after 2 years. For vw it’s worse, can last probably 1 year or slightly more. I’m charging the vw battery regularly so it has been 1.5 years, don’t know how long I can push it. Battery on vw is Exide. Before this was Varta.

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I gave up trying to look for a battery that’ll last 4 years. For some reason the original battery that comes with the car lasts 3-5 years (Bmw and vw in my case). I tried replacing with the highest spec I can find.. even Varta agm which costs 1.6k, and it died after 2 years. For vw it’s worse, can last probably 1 year or slightly more. I’m charging the vw battery regularly so it has been 1.5 years, don’t know how long I can push it. Battery on vw is Exide. Before this was Varta.
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sit on the rear trunk of your BMW and the another one sit on your front engine bay of your VW?
that's normal if without top up charge every few months.

VArta or Varta aftermarket AGM here in Malaysia is not from the German Varta, it's manufactured by the same Korean factory (Johnson Control Delkor) that manufacture Delkor, GP, Bosch, Energizer and some other sticker brands




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375 CCA, SOC 98%, R=7.98, 12.84 V, SOH = 56%
Last mth reading, 395 CCA, SOC 98%, R=7.54, 12.82 V, SOH=62%

I'm using Amaron high life pro on my old Persona. During usage of 2 years, the SOH still good, now is 2 years and 3 months, can see the SoH keep dropping... with some acid flow out on cover. Sign of end soon... i just hope can last few more months....
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Based on the impedance reading, it's still in good shape. It might probably last for another 2 - 4 months(my estimations). If it hit below 300cca or the impedance reading is more than 10, your will notice that the cranking is slow during starting the vehicle.

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QUOTE(System Error Message @ Oct 27 2019, 10:19 AM)
You're using the unsealed battery? What would you recommend for a regular sedan but im also a power user in that even my laptop is already 260W, and planning to get an inverter capable of continuous 2KW+ though mostly for passenger to use when driving (will ask workshop to run separate wire with the right terminal inside). Though not planning to use a lot of power when the engine is off, only thing to power before starting the engine are the dash cams (planning on front and back), and a custom reverse camera (screen + camera) which would get powered when the key is inserted.

Any way to replace the electrodes after it wears out or must the whole battery be replaced? I'd like to do DIY but supercaps cost a lot, was thinking of having a supercap + NIMH solution in the future when i have money as i can do the circuit part myself even the assembly, only thing is the caps itself are very very expensive.

They might use lithium in the west, but in malaysia i find lithium to be a poor solution since it tends to go bad faster.
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I'm using those maintenance free battery, which is sealed.

My car all stock, no dash cam, no HID light, even headlight also not always on. I almost drive everyday more than half an hour. But still it won't last very long. doh.gif

QUOTE(yhsiau @ Oct 27 2019, 11:10 AM)
Based on the impedance reading, it's still in good shape. It might probably last for another 2 - 4 months(my estimations). If it hit below 300cca or the impedance reading is more than 10, your will notice that the cranking is slow during starting the vehicle.
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Thanks, bro. This is nice info. notworthy.gif

Because the device straightaway stated 'Replace' , and the staff ask me to change as well, make me uncomfortable.

Lot of people manage to use Amaron almost 3 years or more...

I manage to find my old photo which i snap before i change my last battery, SOH =7%, SOC 98%, 12.62V, 115A, Rated 425A.

I notice my current battery when new SOH is 88%, should it be 100%? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(yhsiau @ Oct 26 2019, 10:26 PM)
Uh, based on what I heard from the tech dudes from the manufacturers. According to them, SG 1.27 is considered overcharged(which will result faster plate corrosion) already.
Our local climate suggest using the SG 1.25 not SG 1.27. As the SG 1.27 is needed for those area which has winter season (to prevent the electrolyte in battery from freezing during winter).
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You and those tech guys are right. It was my mistake for not taking into account the climate that we are in. Perhaps what I should have written is that the readings should be on the green zone, instead of the white or the red zone. 😊
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Currently using Yamasaki Super Power NS60/L battery in a 2001 Honda Accord, already more than 2 years and still going strong, not maintenance free and have to top up battery water if you see the fluid level is getting low.

I always trickle charge it every 4 months. Disconnect the negative terminal if going for holiday and not driving. The car always go on short trip only to nearby shops, and still can use.. hope it will last 3 years or more.

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QUOTE(ter001 @ Oct 26 2019, 11:32 AM)
A battery charger will be unable to check the specific gravity of the sulfuric acid. We need to use a hydrometer.
Then maybe the battery needs to replace it with new sulfuric acid.
What is the actual function of the battery charger besides charging until 100%?
Just charging the battery everyday or every week, will do the trick??
Will the battery charger eliminate the sulfation???
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I have never tried to change the electrolyte before. What I have heard is that, this is a common practice of resellers of used lead-acid batteries with no warranty whatsoever.

A better practice would be to follow the manufacturer recommendation instead. Personally having a DC on 24/7 is not economical I guess. A good battery must be able to hold its charge after charging it up. If it ain't doing that, then something has gone wrong with that particular battery.

Eliminate sulfation, its a yes and no answer. It will most likely to be able to breakdown newly formed lead sulphate crystals, instead of the old hardened lead sulphate crystals that has built up overtime.

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I gave up trying to look for a battery that’ll last 4 years. For some reason the original battery that comes with the car lasts 3-5 years (Bmw and vw in my case). I tried replacing with the highest spec I can find.. even Varta agm which costs 1.6k, and it died after 2 years. For vw it’s worse, can last probably 1 year or slightly more. I’m charging the vw battery regularly so it has been 1.5 years, don’t know how long I can push it. Battery on vw is Exide. Before this was Varta.
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VARTA AGM died after 2 years ! 😨😨😨 That's a shocker.
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QUOTE(outpace @ Oct 27 2019, 10:46 AM)
sit on the rear trunk of your BMW and the another one sit on your front engine bay of your VW?
that's normal if without top up charge every few months.

VArta or Varta aftermarket AGM here in Malaysia is not from the German Varta, it's manufactured by the same Korean factory (Johnson Control Delkor) that manufacture Delkor, GP, Bosch, Energizer and some other sticker brands
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Ah that clarifies things! Thanks

@outpace now can you tell me if they’re specced the same? Pretty sure Bosch costs way cheaper vs varta. If it’s the same factory why should I pay extra for brands sake.

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The battery SOH reach 56% still can last for how long?

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What I would do is, when the battery fails to crank the car, immediately measure the battery's CCA reading. That would be use as a basis of comparison, so that when the next battery CCA gets nearer to the failed CCA reading, that would be the time to change out the battery. Of course there are many other reasons that would spoil a battery but having a base for comparison takes out a lot of guess work. 😊

Your battery should be DIN55R right ?
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Other than CCA and AH, any other spec we shall take note as well? Like how much max current a battery can release in a sudden or short period of time.
What i noticed recently is my Yokohama Beta NS40 crank quicker than my FB HiDash NS40 and Amaron Hi Life NS60 in the same car.
Besides, the light dim the least when aircond compressor kick in and also engine accelerate smoother with Yokohama Beta.
Which make me feel that Yokohama Beta is Energizer AA battery and the other two are normal AA battery.
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No brand can survive more than 3 years...
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No brand can survive more than 3 years...
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this is where you're wrong, you can. though nothing commercial yet. Hybrids? DIY NIMH super cap battery pack? a DIY NIMH super cap battery pack will last 10 years.
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QUOTE(freeman1 @ Oct 28 2019, 08:11 AM)
No brand can survive more than 3 years...
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Of course there are lead-acid battery that has lasted more than 3 years. The only difference is, have we increased our understanding of lead-acid batteries, in order that we tip the scale in our favour instead in terms of advancing battery management. Thereby, giving us consumers, a bang for our buck in the long run. How happy are those who believes. 😊
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QUOTE(cent88 @ Oct 28 2019, 12:07 AM)
Other than CCA and AH, any other spec we shall take note as well? Like how much max current a battery can release in a sudden or short period of time.
What i noticed recently is my Yokohama Beta NS40 crank quicker than my FB HiDash NS40 and Amaron Hi Life NS60 in the same car.
Besides, the light dim the least when aircond compressor kick in and also engine accelerate smoother with Yokohama Beta.
Which make me feel that Yokohama Beta is Energizer AA battery and the other two are normal AA battery.
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Bro., could you please state the date of installation for the 3 batteries, Yokohama, FB and Amaron ?
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I went to a shop near my house..

HE said Amaron Go NS 40 rm 170, NS 60 RM 190.

I wanted to opt for Hi-Life series, he said he don't sell. Nvm. So I told him I wanted the Go NS 60 then suddenly he mentioned that the kepala kecik one no more stocks rclxub.gif told me the NS 40 is sufficient for my Honda city

Then i noticed he got sell camel.. same price with Amaron also. but I not sure is a good choice or not.

Both also warranty 12 months only.

I thought camel warranty is 18 months?


Besides that,

1. For camel, which model to opt for?

2. Which Varta series same category with Amaron Hi-Life?


Thank you
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Original bmw battery lasted more than 6 years. I changed it just to be safe. Some bmw owners claimed they’ve just the original battery for 7 years or more.

It really depends on your driving pattern (long journeys vs short ones) and perhaps parking under the sun or shade.
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QUOTE(IamAHuman @ Oct 28 2019, 05:23 PM)
Original bmw battery lasted more than 6 years. I changed it just to be safe. Some bmw owners claimed they’ve just the original battery for 7 years or more.

It really depends on your driving pattern (long journeys vs short ones) and perhaps parking under the sun or shade.
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it could be that the batteries provided with the car arent from malaysia. In the US batteries will not last long, because of the business or cash flow which includes the whole recycling process. If you watch the documentaries its impressive.

Some japanese and european manufacturers also would have the same focus, on longevity for instance. I heard even for normal AA batteries that where its manufactured regardless of brand plays a bigger role in how much mAh you get and its lifespan and performance.
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it could be that the batteries provided with the car arent from malaysia. In the US batteries will not last long, because of the business or cash flow which includes the whole recycling process. If you watch the documentaries its impressive.

Some japanese and european manufacturers also would have the same focus, on longevity for instance. I heard even for normal AA batteries that where its manufactured regardless of brand plays a bigger role in how much mAh you get and its lifespan and performance.
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Ya, I dont think majority of Msian battery would last long, 2-3 years max. But US batteries do last long from my experience, and they come from 3-5yrs warranty, as well.
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QUOTE(System Error Message @ Oct 28 2019, 05:50 PM)
it could be that the batteries provided with the car arent from malaysia. In the US batteries will not last long, because of the business or cash flow which includes the whole recycling process. If you watch the documentaries its impressive.

Some japanese and european manufacturers also would have the same focus, on longevity for instance. I heard even for normal AA batteries that where its manufactured regardless of brand plays a bigger role in how much mAh you get and its lifespan and performance.
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You can get imported (from European or US countries) batteries out there. For example, varta comes in 2 types of makes. One that is made in Korea (which comprise of 80-90% of their supplies here) and the other is from Germany. I believe those that’s made in Germany will definitely last longer.

Also, another important factor when choosing your batteries are the month and year made. Obviously, if you get old stocks, your batteries will not last long if compared to the fresh made batteries. You can google to find out this fact.


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QUOTE(IamAHuman @ Oct 28 2019, 05:23 PM)
Original bmw battery lasted more than 6 years. I changed it just to be safe. Some bmw owners claimed they’ve just the original battery for 7 years or more.

It really depends on your driving pattern (long journeys vs short ones) and perhaps parking under the sun or shade.
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First BMW battery change in 10 years, E90 325i.

Daily driven but short distances only. Car is parked in garage or underground carparks.

Brand was Varta.

The battery is the most reliable part about this car!
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First BMW battery change in 10 years, E90 325i.

Daily driven but short distances only. Car is parked in garage or underground carparks.

Brand was Varta.

The battery is the most reliable part about this car!
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LOL! biggrin.gif

Ya, my varta been long lasting as well, since its Ori from germany that came with the car. Mine is now 8yrs plus going into its 9th year.

SO which battery did you replaced with? Or you went with Varta Germany?
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Today, I changed my Yokobatt battery to 4S Extreme Battery with a 2-year warranty because I noticed my car struggled to start-up on Saturday and Sunday. I asked the batteryman to test the old battery, the old 46B24RS/NS60 Yokobatt had 290CCA left when I changed the battery. I probably could've squeezed maybe half-a-year's worth of service from it, maybe? It still did great for nearly 2 years.
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QUOTE(LemonKnight @ Oct 29 2019, 04:19 PM)
Today, I changed my Yokobatt battery to 4S Extreme Battery with a 2-year warranty because I noticed my car struggled to start-up on Saturday and Sunday. I asked the batteryman to test the old battery, the old 46B24RS/NS60 Yokobatt had 290CCA left when I changed the battery. I probably could've squeezed maybe half-a-year's worth of service from it, maybe? It still did great for nearly 2 years.
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Bro., if you don't mind, what is the make and model of your car ?
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Bro., could you please state the date of installation for the 3 batteries, Yokohama, FB and Amaron ?
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FB(New) Dec18-Oct19, Yoko(Used-1year) Oct19, Amaron(New) Oct19-until up to date.
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Proton Saga FLX. My past two batteries lasted 3 years at least. The Yokobatt didn't seem promising, but then again, I got it cheap so, was to be expected.
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VARTA AGM died after 2 years ! 😨😨😨 That's a shocker.
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wow 24 pages quite fast. I should throw some math here for your data and for other people.

A typical car battery from googling has around 45Ah (US standard), at 12V nominal. Taking the approximate, thats 12x45= 540Wh. Since its bad to let the battery discharge below 40%, that gives 3 out of 5 for our battery which equates to 324Wh. So if the idle power use of the car is 10W, that means it would have reached its low point in 32 hours. I looked up lead acid battery chemistry, they do like to be charged but dont like to be drained like a normal battery due to sulphation where the sulphur in the acid coats around the conductor and eventually blocks it off from conducting. The largest legal laptop battery you can bring on the plane is 100Wh, same applies to power banks and so on. A power bank of 20Ah (20000mAh) will have 3.7*20=74Wh.

Looking at this math, please please do not leave your lights on and minimise electrical usage of your car when the engine is off, and if you go off for a long time, please have another non lead acid battery charging your battery. If you drive everyday there is no need but if you go off for a week its something you should consider. Some ammeters can measure the electrical usage and perhaps something for you to consider testing to find out whether or not you need a charger if its over night or the minimum time you need to put a charger when you go off for long periods.

A couple of things i am trying to figure out, What is it that determines the capacity of the battery given the same sized lead acid battery for the same voltage?
I would also like to try experimenting, if its possible to create a NIMH supercap hybrid for below rm 2k for similar or better watt hours, which would mean 10 years of battery life, but if every 2 years you change your battery for rm 200, then that wouldnt be a saving, though the instant start from the supercaps could help start/stop features in cars.
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replaced my century ultramax with 3 years of usage (around 60 000 - 65 000km) with exide matrix. the battery still can start car, but since wife using the car, so i replace for peace of mind.

both my car using this brand now. the AH rating highest for the size, CCA cant beat ultramax.

any of amaron user here? how long does it last?
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QUOTE(bigfanofcars @ Nov 1 2019, 11:24 AM)
nothing to do with brand or driving pattern. its because the battery is in the boot. if i put that same varta germany in my peugeot 308 guarantee it will fail after 2 years.
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i think what you're saying is that the heat is causing increased gas formation and also the reactivity of the acid? In which case for cars with battery infront its better to use unsealed?
Anyone here who have used unsealed battery can comment on lifespan?

I will say though that heat is only a small part of the equation, consider also the cost of the battery. For my parents their car battery only lasts less than 3 years, basically more than the normal 2 year amount for a battery that costs less than rm 200.

I also found out about the opposite battery, metal alkaline which uses 2 different metals and salt water which i guess forms the alkaline. From what i've seen in small scale testing the capacity would be impressive so i will build one and try out myself in the future before going on to make one for a car.

Small GP sealed lead acid battery lasted 7 years as a backup power for sensor, not car related but its GP brand so i dont know if anyone uses them. I find that they can be pretty pricey when it comes to tech offered but they do offer decent quality too.

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QUOTE(bigfanofcars @ Nov 1 2019, 11:24 AM)
nothing to do with brand or driving pattern. its because the battery is in the boot. if i put that same varta germany in my peugeot 308 guarantee it will fail after 2 years.
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Not true as well...although I do agree heat plays a part...but for my SOrento and Passat CC both battery are under the hood and not the trunk...both recorded good life span...so how do we explain that? confused.gif
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QUOTE(VeeJay @ Nov 1 2019, 02:19 PM)
Not true as well...although I do agree heat plays a part...but for my SOrento and Passat CC both battery are under the hood and not the trunk...both recorded good life span...so how do we explain that?  confused.gif
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i think its more to do with the car rather than heat. And i think however those that use the same brands in different config found differences because of manufacturing shifts, like when the germans decided not to make reliable cars anymore.
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QUOTE(VeeJay @ Nov 1 2019, 02:19 PM)
Not true as well...although I do agree heat plays a part...but for my SOrento and Passat CC both battery are under the hood and not the trunk...both recorded good life span...so how do we explain that?  :confused:
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Perhaps your cars has a better design that allows the dissipation of heat or the flow of air from the engine. Example some batteries are located at the front behind the headlights at a lowered section like in Toyota Corona TT141 with a big engine bay with lots of space that prevents heat from reaching the battery. Whereas some makes, the batteries is located higher up in the engine bay example infront of the instrument panel like in the Ertiga or compact car with smaller engine bays, heat will always be the main issue.

Plus bigger sized batteries with higher power or capacity should always outperform smaller sized batteries. That is why a forummer here, is always encouraging others to select a battery with a higher capacity provided its compatible with the charging system example a Wira can accommodate both the NS60 size plus the NS70 as well.

Since we are on heat which is closely related to the environment, anyone here staying in Cameron Highlands. Can you please share your battery lifespan, battery size and type of battery plus car make.

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i think what you're saying is that the heat is causing increased gas formation and also the reactivity of the acid? In which case for cars with battery infront its better to use unsealed?
Anyone here who have used unsealed battery can comment on lifespan?

I will say though that heat is only a small part of the equation, consider also the cost of the battery. For my parents their car battery only lasts less than 3 years, basically more than the normal 2 year amount for a battery that costs less than rm 200.

I also found out about the opposite battery, metal alkaline which uses 2 different metals and salt water which i guess forms the alkaline. From what i've seen in small scale testing the capacity would be impressive so i will build one and try out myself in the future before going on to make one for a car.

Small GP sealed lead acid battery lasted 7 years as a backup power for sensor, not car related but its GP brand so i dont know if anyone uses them. I find that they can be pretty pricey when it comes to tech offered but they do offer decent quality too.
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My last Regular Flooded Century Battery NS40ZL in my workhorse lasted a cool 4 years, thanks to Lowyat expert forrumers, without them, my batteries wouldn't have passed 2 years. One must be extremely diligent in the care of the electrolyte. I was religously monitoring the electrolyte level every week.

The current new Regular Flooded Century Battery NS40ZL is 7 months now, hopefully with the same care, it will last another 3 years 5 months. After which, I instend to try out Maintenance Free Batteries which does not require religiously monitoring of electrolytes. Life too short. 😊

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QUOTE(bigfanofcars @ Nov 1 2019, 11:24 AM)
nothing to do with brand or driving pattern. its because the battery is in the boot. if i put that same varta germany in my peugeot 308 guarantee it will fail after 2 years.
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Any driver that constantly subject the battery to all kinds of unnecessary loads, being in the boot ain't going to make any difference. With the economy in a nose dive, the funniest remarks I've heard is that the the rich with their expensive rides, wanting to save, insists battery sellers to install an under sized battery, just to save a buck or two.

Century's Warranty Card specifically states the warranty is void, if an under sized battery is used. Usually after that no 1 year experience, the customer will usually change to another brand.
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QUOTE(VeeJay @ Oct 29 2019, 10:12 AM)
LOL!  biggrin.gif

Ya, my varta been long lasting as well, since its Ori from germany that came with the car. Mine is now 8yrs plus going into its 9th year.

SO which battery did you replaced with? Or you went with Varta Germany?
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My car battery as well - very good & long last. The brand of Varta; came original with the car.
My car with start stop function.
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Nov 1 2019, 05:07 PM)
My last Regular Flooded Century Battery NS40ZL in my workhorse lasted a cool 4 years, thanks to Lowyat expert forrumers, without them, my batteries wouldn't have passed 2 years. One must be extremely diligent in the care of the electrolyte. I was religously monitoring the electrolyte level every week.

The current new Regular Flooded Century Battery NS40ZL is 7 months now, hopefully with the same care, it will last another 3 years 5 months. After which, I instend to try out Maintenance Free Batteries which does not require religiously monitoring of electrolytes. Life too short. 😊
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QUOTE(p_otential_c @ Oct 27 2019, 05:30 PM)
Ah that clarifies things! Thanks

@outpace now can you tell me if they’re specced the same? Pretty sure Bosch costs way cheaper vs varta. If it’s the same factory why should I pay extra for brands sake.
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Price is always subjective, depends on how much of premium that user willing to pay right? Starbucks might be sourcing cake from the local bakery but selling price aren't the same for sure.
Of course, these brands do have different specifications in play, hence the differences in price.

QUOTE(cent88 @ Oct 28 2019, 12:07 AM)
Other than CCA and AH, any other spec we shall take note as well? Like how much max current a battery can release in a sudden or short period of time.
What i noticed recently is my Yokohama Beta NS40 crank quicker than my FB HiDash NS40 and Amaron Hi Life NS60 in the same car.
Besides, the light dim the least when aircond compressor kick in and also engine accelerate smoother with Yokohama Beta.
Which make me feel that Yokohama Beta is Energizer AA battery and the other two are normal AA battery.
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CCA isn't everything, especially when longevity is what we concern, if I'm not wrong, there are ways of making a lead acid battery to pump up higher CCA but sacrificing lifespan, the frame structure within, the acidic level of the electrolyte or something like that.




QUOTE(System Error Message @ Oct 30 2019, 01:58 PM)
wow 24 pages quite fast. I should throw some math here for your data and for other people.

A typical car battery from googling has around 45Ah (US standard), at 12V nominal. Taking the approximate, thats 12x45= 540Wh. Since its bad to let the battery discharge  below 40%, that gives 3 out of 5 for our battery which equates to 324Wh. So if the idle power use of the car is 10W, that means it would have reached its low point in 32 hours. I looked up lead acid battery chemistry, they do like to be charged but dont like to be drained like a normal battery due to sulphation where the sulphur in the acid coats around the conductor and eventually blocks it off from conducting. The largest legal laptop battery you can bring on the plane is 100Wh, same applies to power banks and so on. A power bank of 20Ah (20000mAh) will have 3.7*20=74Wh.

Looking at this math, please please do not leave your lights on and minimise electrical usage of your car when the engine is off, and if you go off for a long time, please have another non lead acid battery charging your battery. If you drive everyday there is no need but if you go off for a week its something you should consider. Some ammeters can measure the electrical usage and perhaps something for you to consider testing to find out whether or not you need a charger if its over night or the minimum time you need to put a charger when you go off for long periods.

A couple of things i am trying to figure out, What is it that determines the capacity of the battery given the same sized lead acid battery for the same voltage?
I would also like to try experimenting, if its possible to create a NIMH supercap hybrid for below rm 2k for similar or better watt hours, which would mean 10 years of battery life, but if every 2 years you change your battery for rm 200, then that wouldnt be a saving, though the instant start from the supercaps could help start/stop features in cars.
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How do you get the idle power use of the car, say for 12 hours, how to get the 10W?

That's why most of the sifus here who are able to stretch the lifespan of their normal flooded lead acid battery to many years are those who frequently charge their battery.
Let's not talk about those AGM sitting at the back of the car comfortably, cars like BMW, Audi, and BENZ. These AGMs are designed to be lasting very long time with better deep cycleability, but AGM also dig deeper from their owner's pocket, but I think it's worth to have them.


Look forward for your project bro NIMH supercap hybrid
there have been many trying for many years to get alternative for heavy and clumsy lead acid battery, but the fossil burning cars still not running away from the lead acid


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QUOTE(System Error Message @ Nov 1 2019, 12:32 PM)
i think what you're saying is that the heat is causing increased gas formation and also the reactivity of the acid? In which case for cars with battery infront its better to use unsealed?
Anyone here who have used unsealed battery can comment on lifespan?

I will say though that heat is only a small part of the equation, consider also the cost of the battery. For my parents their car battery only lasts less than 3 years, basically more than the normal 2 year amount for a battery that costs less than rm 200.

I also found out about the opposite battery, metal alkaline which uses 2 different metals and salt water which i guess forms the alkaline. From what i've seen in small scale testing the capacity would be impressive so i will build one and try out myself in the future before going on to make one for a car.

Small GP sealed lead acid battery lasted 7 years as a backup power for sensor, not car related but its GP brand so i dont know if anyone uses them. I find that they can be pretty pricey when it comes to tech offered but they do offer decent quality too.
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From what I have read, heat is a very big part together with "undercharging" (draining by parasite draw, frequent short distance travel) that form the failing equation.

Your small GP sealed battery probably is and AGM or GEL battery, or deep cycle battery that have thicker plate therein.
It's different from the very thinly plated SLI batteries in the car.
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QUOTE(outpace @ Nov 2 2019, 12:04 AM)
Price is always subjective, depends on how much of premium that user willing to pay right? Starbucks might be sourcing cake from the local bakery but selling price aren't the same for sure.
Of course, these brands do have different specifications in play, hence the differences in price.
CCA isn't everything, especially when longevity is what we concern, if I'm not wrong, there are ways of making a lead acid battery to pump up higher CCA but sacrificing lifespan, the frame structure within, the acidic level of the electrolyte or something like that.
How do you get the idle power use of the car, say for 12 hours, how to get the 10W?

That's why most of the sifus here who are able to stretch the lifespan of their normal flooded lead acid battery to many years are those who frequently charge their battery.
Let's not talk about those AGM sitting at the back of the car comfortably, cars like BMW, Audi, and BENZ. These AGMs are designed to be lasting very long time with better deep cycleability, but AGM also dig deeper from their owner's pocket, but I think it's worth to have them.
Look forward for your project bro NIMH supercap hybrid
there have been many trying for many years to get alternative for heavy and clumsy lead acid battery, but the fossil burning cars still not running away from  the lead acid
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Sure, am also looking at alkaline metal based using salt water as well, they both show good promise but i wont be able to do them if i dont get a job.
Supercaps are the best way to reduce the CCA need, since it doesnt matter what battery you use with it, the supercaps provide a lot of amps but not much voltage as the voltage drop follows an inverse square drop which is big.
Actually for the lifespan of the lead acid battery, you need more lead for higher CCA. The more surface area of lead you have, the higher the amp output you can have. The capacity of a battery is determined by its electrolytes so size matters because of how much you can fill, but the terminals have a surface area for electrons to pass through so that limits the flow of amps there. Lead acid is different in that high amps will significantly reduce capacity temporarely as the charges need to even out. So if a lead acid battery outputs a lot of amps, it will pull the electrons closest to the terminals while the rest of the electrolyte needs to react to pass electrons to even it out which takes time. It seems that lead acid is used for cars because its the kind of battery that likes to be charged when other batteries are the opposite in nature. since now cars are filled with computers, nothing wrong with the battery having its own for charging and managing its charge level and when to recharge.

QUOTE(outpace @ Nov 2 2019, 12:13 AM)
From what I have read, heat is a very big part together with "undercharging" (draining by parasite draw, frequent short distance travel) that form the failing equation.

Your small GP sealed battery probably is and AGM or GEL battery, or deep cycle battery that have thicker plate therein.
It's different from the very thinly plated SLI batteries in the car.
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the small GP sealed battery is approximately 100Wh.though i wouldnt say it didnt have heat. It was placed close to the ceiling which is where the temperature is higher, inside a case containing a larger transformer so heat wise theres plenty, but its used in small drain only as backup power.

I didnt get the idle power, its the typical power an efficient laptop uses when you are doing basic tasks with it like emails, documents. Since the battery is used with sensors and such i can estimate how long it is for a car, and 10W is considered efficient. Typically we are looking at 0.5W or lower for a car when it is turned off, with the only thing running being the alarm which only has to check if a circuit is connected, so thats very efficient, along with momentary LED usage. Screens use a lot of power so even 1W is a reasonable estimate as well as some depend on the car's design as well. So with 300Wh being the usable amount of power, 1W can mean 300 hours which is 2 weeks though it could go a lot longer, especially if the draw is lower. What i find is that the reason for the battery lifespawn to shorted in the case where you leave the car for a month is that when you get to the low capacities long, you get sulphation where suplhur from the acid coats on the therminals in an ionic bond which isnt easy to separate. So you can recover some lead acid batteries that have weakened because of being left on low drain for long and it can be really tough to break the sulphur away. So batteries die not because the lead desolve since most of the time its caused by sulphur fully coating the terminal with the electrolyte turning to gas. Looking at the molecular composition, when the sulphur bonds to the terminal, hydrogen is released and the acid concentration decreases.
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I posted a 2 or 3 part series on how to prolong the lifespan before somewhere on Lowyat Forum. Sorry I cannot recall exactly where but you would have to search for it. Just that I haven't put down in writing the last series that is, When does one retire a battery. 😊

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A couple of things i am trying to figure out, What is it that determines the capacity of the battery given the same sized lead acid battery for the same voltage?
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I reckon that would be to total surface area of all the positive and negative plates, minus the hardcore lead sulphate.
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Someone posted earlier that a battery test was done and was recommended to replace the battery. Whether the technician was telling the truth or otherwise, we wouldn't know. What is more important is when the test was done, were the correct data entered.

I did a battery test for a friend and it registered Replace Battery. However this friend insisted that the battery is still in "good condition". After a month, the battery really died.
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If you want your battery to last long, make sure you are not driving short distance everyday.

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Does anybody know where to get RAMCAR din55r ? It seems there is nobody selling this brand in malaysia.
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Does anybody know where to get RAMCAR din55r ? It seems there is nobody selling this brand in malaysia.
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If I am not mistaken, this word Ramcar I have seen it on Century Battery website. Most likely what happened was that the car assembler approached a battery manufacturer to create a new battery for this particular car model. Since the production for this car model has stopped, so would the appropriate battery. However, the word Ramcar technology is what you should be looking for. Don't look for Ramcar battery anymore. 😊

A top notch DIN55R battery unit with Ramcar technology would set you back by Rm380. Curiosity got the better of me.

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Oh when I wrote taking care of electrolyte levels with 4 year battery lifespan, I sincerely meant topping of with battery water. Definately not completely changing out the old electrolytes with new electrolytes. I maybe curious but not that curious. Besides that, I dont think completely changing out the electrolytes would make any difference at all, despite whatever is found on Youtube. 😊
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Sure, am also looking at alkaline metal based using salt water as well, they both show good promise but i wont be able to do them if i dont get a job.
Supercaps are the best way to reduce the CCA need, since it doesnt matter what battery you use with it, the supercaps provide a lot of amps but not much voltage as the voltage drop follows an inverse square drop which is big.
Actually for the lifespan of the lead acid battery, you need more lead for higher CCA. The more surface area of lead you have, the higher the amp output you can have. The capacity of a battery is determined by its electrolytes so size matters because of how much you can fill, but the terminals have a surface area for electrons to pass through so that limits the flow of amps there. Lead acid is different in that high amps will significantly reduce capacity temporarely as the charges need to even out. So if a lead acid battery outputs a lot of amps, it will pull the electrons closest to the terminals while the rest of the electrolyte needs to react to pass electrons to even it out which takes time.  It seems that lead acid is used for cars because its the kind of battery that likes to be charged when other batteries are the opposite in nature. since now cars are filled with computers, nothing wrong with the battery having its own for charging and managing its charge level and when to recharge.
the small GP sealed battery is approximately 100Wh.though i wouldnt say it didnt have heat. It was placed close to the ceiling which is where the temperature is higher, inside a case containing a larger transformer so heat wise theres plenty, but its used in small drain only as backup power.

I didnt get the idle power, its the typical power an efficient laptop uses when you are doing basic tasks with it like emails, documents. Since the battery is used with sensors and such i can estimate how long it is for a car, and 10W is considered efficient. Typically we are looking at 0.5W or lower for a car when it is turned off, with the only thing running being the alarm which only has to check if a circuit is connected, so thats very efficient, along with momentary LED usage. Screens use a lot of power so even 1W is a reasonable estimate as well as some depend on the car's design as well. So with 300Wh being the usable amount of power, 1W can mean 300 hours which is 2 weeks though it could go a lot longer, especially if the draw is lower. What i find is that the reason for the battery lifespawn to shorted in the case where you leave the car for a month is that when you get to the low capacities long, you get sulphation  where suplhur from the acid coats on the therminals in an ionic bond which isnt easy to separate. So you can recover some lead acid batteries that have weakened because of being left on low drain for long and it can be really tough to break the sulphur away. So batteries die not because the lead desolve since most of the time its caused by sulphur fully coating the terminal with the electrolyte turning to gas. Looking at the molecular composition, when the sulphur bonds to the terminal, hydrogen is released and the acid concentration decreases.
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Bro., would you happen to know the chemical equation for the "corrosion" at the terminal ?

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Nov 2 2019, 02:11 PM)
I reckon that would be to total surface area of all the positive and negative plates, minus the hardcore lead sulphate.
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i figured this out after researching a bit.
total surface area is the maximum amps, terminals determine voltage (how far apart or the type of metal used), and the electrolyte determines how much capacity. Capacity is defined in Ah which is a huge unit for amps which is the rate of chargers per second which in some manner relates to the rate of electrons. Hence the more electrons we have the higher the capacity in Ah, but not Wh. voltage is the energy each charge gives off.
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depends on which battery you're asking about.
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The Regular Flooded Battery costs Rm190 and with a lifespan of 48 months, that works out to Rm3.985333 per month.

A friend of mine asked why is Century Marathoner more expensive than his previous MF battery. When I worked out the average costs per month, at 17 months suddenly his cheaper MF battery ain't that cheap anymore.

While I haven't used Marathoner myself, I strongly believe it is possible to smash the 48 months mark. A sweet lady her Marathoner used to last 13~14 months on average, but since she has following my advices (though not all) her last Marathoner lasted 29 months.

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QUOTE(Mrsaitama @ Oct 30 2019, 02:26 PM)
replaced my century ultramax with 3 years of usage (around 60 000 - 65 000km) with exide matrix. the battery still can start car, but since wife using the car, so i replace for peace of mind.

both my car using this brand now. the AH rating highest for the size, CCA cant beat ultramax.
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Thank you your sharing for it really did strike a chord. My latest ride coming to 3 years with mileage less than 7,000, I noticed that the CCA measurement is starting to go downhill despite using every trick. Peace of mind, now thats precious. 😊

QUOTE(CKKwan @ Nov 2 2019, 03:24 PM)
If you want your battery to last long, make sure you are not driving short distance everyday.
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Spot on. A battery must run the miles. I was doing Melaka-Muar-Melaka before I achieved 48 months.

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