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post Jan 7 2019, 08:30 PM, updated 5d ago

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In an effort to improve quality further, please state battery brand that has lasted 4 years or more as a bench mark.

To start the ball rolling

Brand : Century
Type : non maintenance free

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post Jan 7 2019, 08:45 PM

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Bosch maintenance free

2+ years

Go maintenance free

Around 2 years
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post Jan 7 2019, 09:00 PM

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MF battery from Ford.

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post Jan 7 2019, 09:25 PM

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1. century hybrid ns70l (non mf) present...... bought b4 gst
2. yokohama flattop ns70 (non mf) early 2000s
3. bosch ns60 (non mf) present...... bought b4 gst

i suspect the bosch is a rebadged panasonic as they have the same status indicator
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post Jan 7 2019, 09:32 PM

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This thread doesn't serve alot of purpose

Some ppl don't drive much
Some don't drive much at night
Some are arsehole on road nv put signal when turn or change lane which is majority of shit drivers
Nv open lights at night
Some are too kind and patient nv high beam ppl who are at fault or hazard to others or turtle on fast lane

Last but not least there's dashcam and other accessories
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Led saving lights

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post Jan 7 2019, 09:44 PM

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jan 7 2019, 08:30 PM)
In an effort to improve quality further, please state battery brand that has lasted 4 years or more as a bench mark.

To start the ball rolling

Brand : Century
Type : non maintenance free
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Century can last 4 years meh?? Are you a Century promoter?? πŸ˜‚ Mine just less than 2.5 years and imho it's not a good battery. The only battery that lasted >4yrs for me was over 15 years ago and the brand no longer exists (I also forget already too). Nowadays all my batteries only lasted 2+years.
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post Jan 7 2019, 09:44 PM

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This has no purpose. 4 years plus are either old cars with no electronics or cars that batteries are located at the rear & far from heat. Stock battery Nissan Almera, E spec GS Yuasa (start stop type) 3yrs.
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post Jan 7 2019, 09:51 PM

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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Jan 7 2019, 09:44 PM)
Century can last 4 years meh?? Are you a Century promoter?? πŸ˜‚ Mine just less than 2.5 years and imho it's not a good battery. The only battery that lasted >4yrs for me was over 15 years ago andΒ  the brand no longer exists (I also forget already too). Nowadays all my batteries only lasted 2+years.
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Nope not a promoter. Since my father-in-law trusted Century, I just followed on that's all. The previous Century lasted to just 4 years, which surprised the distributor as well. Now on another Century and hopefully it will lasts for another 4 years too.

Speedys3210 reply with Century on Post # 4 should be more or less 4 years, I suspect.

Only after buying a new Century battery, I've read somewhere on this forum that Amaron lasts a cool 7 years. Curious today I walked into Amaron's dealers and the dealer said this after hearing what I've said about 7 years lifespan, "Its hard to say, some couple of months, some its 1-2 years, some its couple of years. Depends on luck."

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post Jan 7 2019, 10:10 PM

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QUOTE(speedy3210 @ Jan 7 2019, 09:25 PM)
1. century hybrid ns70l (non mf) present...... bought b4 gst
2. yokohama flattop ns70 (non mf) early 2000s
3. bosch ns60 (non mf) present...... bought b4 gst

i suspect the bosch is a rebadged panasonic as they have the same status indicator
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You could be right on the rebadging thing. Outsourcing among certain production practices is not uncommon, instead of creating wastages if other has achieved higher efficiency.

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post Jan 7 2019, 11:37 PM

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jan 7 2019, 09:51 PM)
Nope not a promoter. Since my father-in-law trusted Century, I just followed on that's all. The previous Century lasted to just 4 years, which surprised the distributor as well. Now on another Century and hopefully it will lasts for another 4 years too.

Speedys3210 reply with Century on Post # 4 should be more or less 4 years, I suspect.

Only after buying a new Century battery, I've read somewhere on this forum that Amaron lasts a cool 7 years. Curious today I walked into Amaron's dealers and the dealer said this after hearing what I've said about 7 years lifespan, "Its hard to say, some couple of months, some its 1-2 years, some its couple of years. Depends on luck."
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What cars are you using? Honestly my first Century was the Marathoner and I'm disappointed with it and will never buy it again. It lasted over 2 years for my car with countless jump starts within that duration coz I didn't use the car for 5-7 days. Now I'm trying the Century Ultramax which is supposed to be their best model and it is better but not by much. It also already need to be jump started a few times, not yet 1.5 yrs though.

I also often hear recommendations for Amaron but never hear that they can last 7 years! Maybe next change I will try this brand but I will not try Century anymore, not even their Ultramax.
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post Jan 7 2019, 11:42 PM

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Varta, come with the car. 5.5 years 110k km still running strong.
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Stock Vios 2016 with dashcam+USB 5V 2.1A
Exactly 2 years, 50k KM
Battery didn't die, but SA suggest to replace. I can feel the difference for Start/Stop engine after change battery.

Now it's habit for me to press Start/Stop button 2 times, before pressing brake pedal & Start.
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Varta stock 7yrs..plus
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post Jan 8 2019, 07:27 AM

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QUOTE(VeeJay @ Jan 8 2019, 12:38 AM)
Varta stock 7yrs..plus
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What car?
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Most of the long lasting battery cases always found on manual transmission & low usage vehicles

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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Jan 7 2019, 09:44 PM)
Century can last 4 years meh?? Are you a Century promoter?? πŸ˜‚ Mine just less than 2.5 years and imho it's not a good battery. The only battery that lasted >4yrs for me was over 15 years ago and  the brand no longer exists (I also forget already too). Nowadays all my batteries only lasted 2+years.
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My Century unit lasted up to 5 years on my son Persona - that time mileage already 100K
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2011 passat cc 2.0
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post Jan 8 2019, 10:43 AM

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Battery technology has taken a huge leap recently. Many of you experienced batt life of less than 2 years. Well there are new & better batts in the market now. It all how much you want to pay.

New batts are EFB & AGM

AGM is the best and could cost $2k+. These could last 7years or more!
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QUOTE(VeeJay @ Jan 8 2019, 10:26 AM)
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With heat insulation and regular charging or not ?

I know batteries in BMW or Merc can last long on models with battery located at the boot which is far from engine heat, something like 7-8 years max.

I recently wrapped all of my cars' batteries, and do regular charging with my Bosch C7, hopefully it can last long.

On my previous Audi A6, the battery lasted the full 5 years when I sold it off in August, state of health ("SOH") rated at 70% when I sold it. Still being used by the new owner.
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QUOTE(4WD_er @ Jan 8 2019, 10:44 AM)
With heat insulation and regular charging or not ?

I know batteries in BMW or Merc can last long on models with battery located at the boot which is far from engine heat, something like 7-8 years max.

I recently wrapped all of my cars' batteries, and do regular charging with my Bosch C7, hopefully it can last long. 

On my previous Audi A6, the battery lasted the full 5 years when I sold it off in August, state of health ("SOH") rated at 70% when I sold it.  Still being used by the new owner.
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no, i didnt insulate, everything is kept stock on the car...but its good to have insulation as you mentioned, especially our hot weather here, which kills battery life faster.

From my personal experience battery sold here are just lower in quality and spec, hence in average local battery last only about 2 years.

When i use to live in US, most of the batteries came with 3-5 years warranty, they hardly die
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QUOTE(VeeJay @ Jan 8 2019, 10:26 AM)
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Oh... contis! Usually, they are last very long as their battery is located at the boot area and not engine bay.

My beemer is now 6 years and still going strong! (I hope! haha)
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post Jan 8 2019, 12:03 PM

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none of my batteries lasted more than 2 years.. lol..
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post Jan 8 2019, 12:06 PM

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Ram car , 3 years original preve battery !
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post Jan 8 2019, 12:44 PM

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QUOTE(overfloe @ Jan 8 2019, 12:03 PM)
none of my batteries lasted more than 2 years.. lol..
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There was a time Century batteries used to last just until the warranty was over, until I found this forum. Sifting through countless posts it's soon apparent that proper care & maintenance is required to maintain the state of health over a longer duration.

Since putting things into practice I've managed to prolong the Century battery to the 4 year mark compared to all previous Century batteries in the past.

The idea of this thread is to collect data to identify batteries that generally last more than 4 years, however having said that I still would want to change battery once it reaches the 4 year mark due to various other reasons.

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post Jan 8 2019, 12:49 PM

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QUOTE(SKYjack @ Jan 8 2019, 10:43 AM)
Battery technology has taken a huge leap recently. Many of you experienced batt life of less than 2 years. Well there are new & better batts in the market now. It all how much you want to pay.

New batts are EFB & AGM

AGM is the best and could cost $2k+. These could last 7years or more!
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Thank you very much for such invaluable information. Never knew that battery had made such leap in technology. Will keep an eye out for EFB & AGM batteries. πŸ‘πŸ»
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QUOTE(VeeJay @ Jan 8 2019, 10:57 AM)
no, i didnt insulate, everything is kept stock on the car...but its good to have insulation as you mentioned, especially our hot weather here, which kills battery life faster.

From my personal experience battery sold here are just lower in quality and spec, hence in average local battery last only about 2 years.

When i use to live in US, most of the batteries came with 3-5 years warranty, they hardly die
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Hi VeeJay,

The US 3-5 years Warranty, does that apply to states like Hawaii & southern Florida too ?
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jan 8 2019, 01:44 PM)
There was a time Century batteries used to last just until the warranty was over, until I found this forum. Sifting through countless posts it's soon apparent that proper care & maintenance is required to maintain the state of health over a longer duration.

Since putting things into practice I've managed to prolong the Century battery to the 4 year mark compared to all previous Century batteries in the past.

The idea of this thread is to collect data to identify batteries that generally last more than 4 years, however having said that I still would want to change battery once it reaches the 4 year mark due to various other reasons.
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i guess one of the contributing of my short battery life is the need to switch on the lights when traveling to work and home as well as start-stop traffic.
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QUOTE(overfloe @ Jan 8 2019, 01:33 PM)
i guess one of the contributing of my short battery life is the need to switch on the lights when traveling to work and home as well as start-stop traffic.
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Since you wrote about Start-Stop, does this feature the Start-Stop button reduces the battery lifespan too ?
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jan 8 2019, 12:59 PM)
Hi VeeJay,

The US 3-5 years Warranty, does that apply to states like Hawaii & southern Florida too ?
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Sorry mate no idea on Hawaii but any state, its pretty much the same since the carrier and the brand is the same, hence the warranty even oem brand like AAA (similar to our AAM) also has 6 years of warranty


QUOTE(overfloe @ Jan 8 2019, 01:33 PM)
i guess one of the contributing of my short battery life is the need to switch on the lights when traveling to work and home as well as start-stop traffic.
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I grew up as mandatory headlights, hence, i had always turned my lights during my drive. During drive, the supply comes from alternator and not the battery. battery comes to play during startup and when idle for a long time.
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i tot most car battery can last is around 2 years
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QUOTE(janggutbiru @ Jan 8 2019, 02:28 PM)
i tot most car battery can last is around 2 years
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That's what I thought too until I showed 2 individuals the Century battery that lasted for 4 years. That's what they would like us to think, but we really have to think out of the box !
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yokohama,century,bosch all lasted 2 or less than 2 years in my experience,there's once a capalang brand that lasted me 4 years+ in my kelisa
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anyone using AMARON? heard the battery lasted for 4 yrs +
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QUOTE(zyde @ Jan 9 2019, 09:54 PM)
anyone using AMARON? heard the battery lasted for 4 yrs +
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I've heard that Amaron lasts for a solid 7 years. Yeah I going to try Amaron out on my next purchase, once my newly purchase Century expires in 4 years time or any other Century that expires.
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jan 8 2019, 12:44 PM)
There was a time Century batteries used to last just until the warranty was over, until I found this forum. Sifting through countless posts it's soon apparent that proper care & maintenance is required to maintain the state of health over a longer duration.

Since putting things into practice I've managed to prolong the Century battery to the 4 year mark compared to all previous Century batteries in the past.

The idea of this thread is to collect data to identify batteries that generally last more than 4 years, however having said that I still would want to change battery once it reaches the 4 year mark due to various other reasons.
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How do you prolong your battery life. Mind to share your battery maintenance procedure ? Tq
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QUOTE(senscents @ Jan 10 2019, 12:20 AM)
How do you prolong your battery life. Mind to share your battery maintenance procedure ? Tq
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That's a very good question that needs a well thought & laid out answer. Will reply you again once I've straightened out my thoughts.

Warning ⚠️ I am no battery expert but since I've managed to hit the 4 year mark, now I want to try hitting the 7 year mark for battery lifespan. If that possible, I could increase the replacement battery period from 3 years to 5 years before the battery dies out.

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How do you prolong your battery life. Mind to share your battery maintenance procedure ? Tq
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Battery FAQ
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2.WHAT CAUSES CAR BATTERY TO DIE QUICKLY?
Too Many Short Drives: If you are always taking short drives, this may be the causing your battery life to end too soon. If you keep on starting and stopping your car before your alternator has time to recharge, this would account for the reason why your car battery keeps dying and isn't last as long as it should.

Faulty Charging System: The battery is charged by an alternator(driven by a belt from the engine). If there is something wrong with the system, your car battery could be dying too soon.

Extreme Hot Temperatures: Hot weather can drain the life out of your car's battery. Build-up of lead sulfate crystals can occur when leaving your vehicle in high temperature for too long.The sulfate build-up can shorten the life of your battery and increase the amount of time it needs to be recharged.

Vibration: Vibrations from rough travel or a poorly-secured battery can shake loose or damage the plates.

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QUOTE(exeon @ Jan 10 2019, 11:03 AM)
TQ 'exeon' for Battery FAQ.

Never heard of vibration being an issue before but I reckon it should be with the hazardous chemical inside. A real big problem.
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jan 10 2019, 11:36 AM)
TQ 'exeon' for Battery FAQ.

Never heard of vibration being an issue before but I reckon it should be with the hazardous chemical inside. A real big problem.
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Haha I gained knowledge too after reading this.
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jan 10 2019, 09:54 AM)
That's a very good question that needs a well thought & laid out answer. Will reply you again once I've straightened out my thoughts.

Warning ⚠️ I am no battery expert but since I've managed to hit the 4 year mark, now I want to try hitting the 7 year mark for battery lifespan. If that possible, I could increase the replacement battery period from 3 years to 5 years before the battery dies out.
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Since you are the few, that can achieve longer battery life of >4 years, Pls do share your maintenance. Thanks
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QUOTE(exeon @ Jan 10 2019, 11:03 AM)
Thanks for sharing.
What constitute short distance? 10km, 20km, 30km ?
Mostly i'm driving around 20+km to and back 20+km . Does it consider short distance ?
Battery life app 15-18 months need to change. πŸ€”
In Malaysia, the weather can consider hot but not as hot as some other countries. Where as the battery life are much longer life span.
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I think its better to break up the answer into parts and prioritize them in a logical sequence, instead of cramping everything into 1 answer.

NO # 1 SELECT BEST WARRANTY TO BEGIN WITH

Like everything else, start with the best quality you can afford similar to genetics. A battery that offered with a good warranty means the manufacturer stands by the product it makes and vice verse.

My benchmark is that battery warranties that don't even pass 18 months warranty is not considered, just my elimination technique of weeding out low quality stuffs.

Today a friend of mine battery wouldn't fire up and it's only 5 months old !!! Warranty was for 1 year. I could write about further crazier testimonies on this but it only solidifies the point on beginning with a good quality battery.

Note : I've used only Century for so long that I don't even remember if I had used other models before. So my experience will be exclusively on 1 particular brand only albeit a limited one.

Successes are 1 Century died after touching the 4 year mark. Another Century just passed a 3 year mark. Previous attempts or should I say no attempts, all died after the warranty period. The manufacturer's are very smart people.

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Battery very sensitive to heat. If battery is located inside the front bonnet, it won't last long. Max also 2 years if lucky.

If located underneath the rear seats or rear boot, easily 4-5 years.
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QUOTE(acbc @ Jan 10 2019, 07:41 PM)
Battery very sensitive to heat. If battery is located inside the front bonnet, it won't last long. Max also 2 years if lucky.

If located underneath the rear seats or rear boot, easily 4-5 years.
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Very true indeed, that's why all my earlier batteries died within the 2 year mark because of the heat. The real question is how do we go about circumventing this issue since my batteries are located in the engine bay. πŸ˜‚

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Ori hilux yuasa battery , lasted 4 year plus..
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Ori hilux yuasa battery , lasted 4 year plus..
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I bet the model which you are using is 95D31L (17 plates per cell) not the regular N70ZL (75D31L) which is 15 plates per cell.

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jan 10 2019, 07:45 PM)
Very true indeed, that's why all my earlier batteries died within the 2 year mark because of the heat. The real question is how do we go about circumventing this issue since my batteries are located in the engine bay. πŸ˜‚
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Relocate to rear boot. Can DIY. Parts sold on Lozada.

U need a battery post and some welding cables. Also a battery box with ventilation.
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QUOTE(acbc @ Jan 10 2019, 07:41 PM)
Battery very sensitive to heat. If battery is located inside the front bonnet, it won't last long. Max also 2 years if lucky.

If located underneath the rear seats or rear boot, easily 4-5 years.
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Partially true but not absolute. As I mentioned previously, mine had passed 7yrs and still running well. If thats the case it would have died earlier.

While in US, most of my car easily passed 5-6yrs, yeah its cold country but engine heat is is engine heat, especially from mid spring till mid fall, the weather do get hot and at times hotter than MY.

To me, the majority of the battery here just lack the quality, hence many dare not give more than 18months warranty.
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QUOTE(acbc @ Jan 10 2019, 08:13 PM)
Relocate to rear boot. Can DIY. Parts sold on Lozada.

U need a battery post and some welding cables. Also a battery box with ventilation.
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TQ for the tip. Now I know where the guy got it from. 🀣

Just that I am not good with DIY and no wireman hence am extremely cautious about adding wires into a vehicle because faulty wires, unapproved wires etc could easily catch fire. This is way way above me already. So I had to work around this limitation.



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NO # 2 : MODERATE TEMPERATURE FOR MAXIMUM PERFORMANCE

It's common knowledge that extreme temperatures reduces the lifespan of lead acid batteries, I won't go into details about chemical reactions etc but I will state what I had done under existing circumstances (battery in the engine bay) being in a tropical country.

Cars that have their battery located in places other than the engine bay, the battery seems to be able to hold out longer than those in the engine Bay Area. Besides my father-in-law very old Toyota Corona with exceptionally large bonnet allows maximum Ventilation within a confined space as compared to modern smaller cars.

NOTE : Hence I strongly believe & suspect the key word is PROLONGED EXPOSURE TO EXTREME TEMPERATURES which actually reduces its lifespan.

A) INSULATE THE BATTERY - Having an insulator in place helps cut the heat being radiated to the battery drastically.

B) OPEN UP THE BONNET FOR MAXIMUM AERATION & HEAT DISSIPATION - After most of my drives where permissible, I will open up my bonnet even to the Service Center for the engine bay to cool faster. The Service Advisor was like "What's wrong with your car ? Why the bonnet open up ?" I just smiled and replied "Nothing just admiring the engine." πŸ˜†

C) DURING DRIVING THE BONNET IS UNLOCK BUT LATCHED POSITON - I been reminded so many times by countless good motorists but I believe with the speed I am going the bonnet has NOT flung open wide. Certified not an F1 driver. This is to allow better air flow. However I have been thinking about another alternative to this that is air intake manifold (is that the proper term) like those American muscle cars to force feed air into the engine Bay Area that all. Since my cars ain't got no muscle, those manifold really looks out of place.

D) PARK IN A SHADED AREA - This is just to cut heat buildup inside the engine bay. 3 of my cars has shaded car park but unfortunately for 1 car, hence that Century ain't goin last as the other 3 that's in the shade.

All these will sound crazy to the unintiated but in my quest I really have to test out these crazy ideas and the strange thing is that it has worked for me. It not one size fit all solution, cause I cannot expect those staying in apartments to sit beside their car just to cool down before going home.

We are all faced with different sets of limitation just that we have to constantly figure out & try out until we find what works.

Although the suggestion to locate the battery to other parts in the car beside the engine bay is a good one especially for DIY forummers, this got me thinking some other related problems since I am on non-MF Batteries. If it's located inside the cabin, the gases produce is highly flammable right ? Even if it's moved to the boot, vapors could still travel into the cabin area right ? Manufactures that have batteries located elsewhere must have found a solution to this. I am just a regular bloke with 0 knowledge on batteries or cars, shifting battery is definately a good idea but it's just way above me abt this moment. Need to build up on my Kung-fu skills before I even dare to accept this challenge.

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jan 11 2019, 11:34 AM)
NOTICE : STILL BEING EDITED

NO # 2 : MODERATE TEMPERATURE FOR MAXIMUM PERFORMANCE

It's common knowledge that extreme temperatures reduces the lifespan of lead acid batteries, I won't go into details about chemical reactions etc but I will state what I had done under existing circumstances (battery in the engine bay) being in a tropical country.

Cars that have their battery located in places other than the engine bay, the battery seems to be able to hold out longer than those in the engine Bay Area. Besides my father-in-law very old Toyota Corona with exceptionally large bonnet allows maximum Ventilation within a confined space as compared to modern smaller cars.

NOTE : I believe the key word is PROLONGED EXPOSURE TO EXTREME TEMPERATURES which actually reduces its lifespan.

A) INSULATE THE BATTERY - Having an insulator in place helps cut the heat being radiated to the battery drastically.

B) OPEN UP THE BONNET FOR MAXIMUM AERATION & HEAT DISSIPATION - After most of my drives where permissible, I will open up my bonnet even to the Service Center for the engine bay to cool faster.

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True, that goes to any battery, extreme heat is a battery killer! smile.gif
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jan 11 2019, 11:34 AM)
NO # 2 : MODERATE TEMPERATURE FOR MAXIMUM PERFORMANCE

NOTE : Hence I strongly believe & suspect the key word is PROLONGED EXPOSURE TO EXTREME TEMPERATURES which actually reduces its lifespan.

A) INSULATE THE BATTERY .

B) OPEN UP THE BONNET FOR MAXIMUM AERATION & HEAT DISSIPATION -." πŸ˜†

C) DURING DRIVING THE BONNET IS UNLOCK BUT LATCHED POSITON -

D) PARK IN A SHADED AREA
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That's just on ventilation alone. Will post another on maintenance.
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NO # 3 : MAINTENANCE, MAINTENANCE & MORE MAINTENANCE.

Crazy as it sounds, who on earth maintains their car batteries but this is often overlook even by me, before but not anymore, not anymore.

NOTE : non-maintenance free Century battery used.

A) KEEP WATER πŸ’¦ LEVELS UP - I am guilty as charged and since I know better now, hopefully I won't screw up in the future again.

B) INSPECT & CLEAN POSTS & TERMINALS - Any gunk that's forming at the contact points must be cleaned off. Wire brush or sand down the posts & terminals for a completely clean contact. This is so important.

B) REMOVE & WASH DOWN THE BATTERY - Simple act of cleaning the battery removes any possibility small leakages or discharges from the battery itself. Thereafter wipe it down with a dry cloth and leave to completely air dry before reinstalling back firmly into its position.

C) BUY & INSTALL BATTERY CAP COVER - To prevent the hazardous material from damaging the underneath of your metal bonnet.

D) FINALLY BUY BATTERY CHARGER (I don't have one yet as now I am learning about them to find out which is most suitable) - Keeping the battery in fully charged condition constantly seems to me is the only way in prolonging the lifespan of the batteries to 7-8 year mark at least that what's written in their advertisement.

It's sure a step up for me if I can extend the battery lifespan from 4 years to 6,7 or 8 years with the soon to be purchased charger.

WARNING ⚠️ Safety precautions must be adhered too at all times like goggles & gloves. Remember no rings & necklaces or chain etc.

P/S : Finally modern car already has to much electronics that's zapping the life out of the battery already and if I want to prolong its lifespan I shouldn't be adding anymore strain or burden other than necessary e.g. locking the car manually and not engaging the alarm 🚨.

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This is an important step in NO # 1.

Always check the manufacturer's website on the latest list of authorized distributors first, before proceeding to purchase your next battery from them.

That's it I guess and hopefully with those basic steps you too can improve your odds in increasing your battery lifespan.

I remember there was a question somewhere about how many cars I have. Well under my charge directly there are 5 cars Toyota, Kia, Proton & Peroduas. Indirectly there are Nissan, Subaru & more Peroduas & Protons.

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QUOTE(speedy3210 @ Jan 7 2019, 09:25 PM)
1. century hybrid ns70l (non mf) present...... bought b4 gst
2. yokohama flattop ns70 (non mf) early 2000s
3. bosch ns60 (non mf) present...... bought b4 gst

i suspect the bosch is a rebadged panasonic as they have the same status indicator
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Bro, this caught my eye your Yokohama battery has been in service since 2000 ? That's like 18 years ! The others are equally impressive too and they are non-MF too. 😳

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QUOTE(Jessieccy @ Jan 7 2019, 09:44 PM)
This has no purpose. 4 years plus are either old cars with no electronics or cars that batteries are located at the rear & far from heat. Stock battery Nissan Almera, E spec GS Yuasa (start stop type) 3yrs.
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Oh I reassure you purpose it has. Depends very much how you want to look at things and what you want to achieve. I have a car that's laden with electronics that I hardly use and its non-MF battery just past 2 years old. Battery was tested on 29/12 still in great condition. Will see how that goes.
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What cars are you using? Honestly my first Century was the Marathoner and I'm disappointed with it and will never buy it again. It lasted over 2 years for my car with countless jump starts within that duration coz I didn't use the car for 5-7 days. Now I'm trying the Century Ultramax which is supposed to be their best model and it is better but not by much. It also already need to be jump started a few times, not yet 1.5 yrs though.

I also often hear recommendations for Amaron but never hear that they can last 7 years! Maybe next change I will try this brand but I will not try Century anymore, not even their Ultramax.
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After sifting through many threads and taking notes, I've come to realize that the Marathoner has so many terrible reviews against 1 positive review only on this forum.

At this moment top on the list for the highest recommended battery brand on this forum has to go to Varta, second its Amaron. However there was only 1 testimony by Veejay, if I am not mistaken, that his Varta battery has lasted 7 years.

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True, that goes to any battery, extreme heat is a battery killer! smile.gif
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Bro, I've got a question about your Varta battery right ? Did you bring this back directly from the US when you returned ? Is it MF or non-MF ?

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After sifting through many threads and taking notes, I've come to realize that the Marathoner has so many terrible reviews against 1 positive review only on this forum. 

At this moment top on the list for the highest recommended battery brand on this forum has to go to Varta, second its Amaron. However there was only 1 testimony by Veejay, if I am not mistaken, that his Varta battery has lasted 7 years.
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Varta is a very famous old brand, kind of premium brand for battery so not surprised if it's very good coz the price is also probably one of the most expensive and not many people sell it also. Amaron is relatively much newer brand but in the last few years has been the most popular in terms of recommendations and also a bit on the premium side in terms of pricing even though maybe not as expensive as Varta.
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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Jan 12 2019, 10:25 AM)
Varta is a very famous old brand, kind of premium brand for battery so not surprised if it's very good coz the price is also probably one of the most expensive and not many people sell it also. Amaron is relatively much newer brand but in the last few years has been the most popular in terms of recommendations and also a bit on the premium side in terms of pricing even though maybe not as expensive as Varta.
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TQVM 6UE5T for the info. Have been a faithful Century for far too long until I've ignored too much of the good stuffs around. I will definately be targeting either the Varta or the Amaron for my new car since it must be worth its weight in gold for many.


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Bro, I've got a question about your Varta battery right ? Did you bring this back directly from the US when you returned ? Is it MF or non-MF ?
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no it came with the car. passat cc is a CBU model hence the varta is a germany made
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jan 12 2019, 01:08 AM)
Bro, this caught my eye your Yokohama battery has been in service since 2000 ? That's like 18 years ! The others are equally impressive too and they are non-MF too. 😳
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Sorry.... didnt type properly there...... i meant the battery was bought in early 200s and has served me for 4yrs.
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jan 12 2019, 12:15 AM)
NO # 3 : MAINTENANCE, MAINTENANCE & MORE MAINTENANCE.

Crazy as it sounds, who on earth maintains their car batteries but this is often overlook even by me, before but not anymore, not anymore.

NOTE : non-maintenance free Century battery used.

A) KEEP WATER πŸ’¦ LEVELS UP - 

B) INSPECT & CLEAN POSTS & TERMINALS -

B) REMOVE & WASH DOWN THE BATTERY -

C) BUY & INSTALL BATTERY CAP COVER -


D) FINALLY BUY BATTERY CHARGER (I don't have one yet as now I am learning about them to find out which is most suitable) -

P/S : Finally modern car already has to much electronics that's zapping the life out of the battery already and if I want to prolong its lifespan I shouldn't be adding anymore strain or burden other than necessary e.g. locking the car manually and not engaging the alarm 🚨.
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A) Actually in real life, it is not only about watching if the electrolyte level dipping low, but also about NOT OVERFILLING. Most, if not all of my previous non-MF batts for the past 22yrs were killed by overfilling. All thanks to overzealous mechs. Since mid-2000s, i hv developed a habit of telling the mech (both boss and the 1 attending to my cars) to keep their hands off my spark plugs, coolant and batteries. These items are religiously checked by me periodically. Every time they touched it, there will be symptoms of weak battery, squashed washer (over torqued) and over diluted coolant.

B) Not neccessary...... I hv only experienced this on yesteryear batts. Have not seen this problem for the past 10-12yrs.

C) Not necessary...... have never done this, maybe only during that pre-CNY detailing job package

D) As per (B)

E) No need think, just buy if can afford....... Had a Ctek XS4003 ( now dead) and now using a Yokohama YB-10P (stopped production). Best investment ever. Don't buy those desulphator. Current logical choice is Bosch C3 (lower ampere) or C7 (higher ampere).

For the p/s part, that is the reason why I bought a charger. With it, you dont have to skimp on security just to save charge. Most user without the charger will not understand the advantage of having 1 until they hook up a charger to the battery. the charging indicators will give a glimpse of the condition of the battery. You will be surprised with the charge level on even a daily (80km) driven car battery.
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QUOTE(speedy3210 @ Jan 12 2019, 01:33 PM)
A)Β  Actually in real life, it is not only about watching if the electrolyte level dipping low, but also about NOT OVERFILLING. Most, if not all of my previous non-MF batts for the past 22yrs were killed by overfilling. All thanks to overzealous mechs. Since mid-2000s, i hv developed a habit of telling the mech (both boss and the 1 attending to my cars) to keep their hands off my spark plugs, coolant and batteries. These items are religiously checked by me periodically. Every time they touched it, there will be symptoms of weak battery, squashed washer (over torqued) and over diluted coolant.

B)Β  Not neccessary...... I hv only experienced this on yesteryear batts. Have not seen this problem for the past 10-12yrs.

C)Β  Not necessary...... have never done this, maybe only during that pre-CNY detailing job package

D)Β  As per (B)

E)Β Β  No need think, just buy if can afford.......Β Β  Had a Ctek XS4003 ( now dead) and now using a Yokohama YB-10P (stopped production). Best investment ever. Don't buy those desulphator. Current logical choice is Bosch C3 (lower ampere) or C7 (higher ampere).

For the p/s part, that is the reason why I bought a charger. With it, you dont have to skimp on security just to save charge. Most user without the charger will not understand the advantage of having 1 until they hook up a charger to the battery. the charging indicators will give a glimpse of the condition of the battery. You will be surprised with the charge level on even a daily (80km) driven car battery.
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Spot on bro.

Now thinking about your point on OVERFILLING issue if it's controlled & done properly probably would save out on B), C) & D) I guess.

I saw a YouTube video, the American technician had a real cool tool that's allows one to fill exactly without worrying about overfill or underfill. Too bad this great tool can't be found here, as it takes away lot of the guesswork out in filling up non-MF battery.

Thank you for your insights unto battery chargers. It's a new world for me. Recently made a trip to Ace Hardware MidValley to look for anything that's related to battery maintenance. Got myself a Digital Multimeter with a nice large LCD screen and had a wireman to test out the multimeter back home. The unit is fine but it's not reading the voltage on a new battery. Now have to plan for a next trip to KL again to exchange this for something else.

I hope I don't screwup with a CTEK charger purchase like what I did with the Multimeter purchase. Real headache πŸ€• especially for me being new in this field. Now trying to learn up everything about these chargers, it's like groping about in the dark. πŸ˜‚

For testing the battery, shouldn't I be getting a Battery Load Tester too ? Or with these charger, it's unnecessary to get another Battery Load Tester ?

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Sorry.... didnt type properly there...... i meant the battery was bought in early 200s and has served me for 4yrs.
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It did seem back then that you've broken the frontiers with battery maintenance and that would be my next goal after I've breached the 6/7 year mark with those battery charger. It was nice.

If you didn't let the cat out of the bag, I would probably end up all my life thinking how in the world 🌎 did you pull that off.
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jan 12 2019, 02:47 PM)
Spot on bro.

Now thinking about your point on OVERFILLING issue if it's controlled & done properly probably would save out on B), C) & D) I guess.

I saw a YouTube video, the American technician had a real cool tool that's allows one to fill exactly without worrying about overfill or underfill. Too bad this great tool can't be found here, as it takes away lot of the guesswork out in filling up non-MF battery.

Thank you for your insights unto battery chargers. It's a new world for me. Recently made a trip to Ace Hardware MidValley to look for anything that's related to battery maintenance. Got myself a Digital Multimeter with a nice large LCD screen and had a wireman to test out the multimeter back home. The unit is fine but it's not reading the voltage on a new battery. Now have to plan for a next trip to KL again to exchange this for something else.

I hope I don't screwup with a CTEK charger purchase like what I did with the Multimeter purchase. Real headache πŸ€• especially for me being new in this field. Now trying to learn up everything about these chargers, it's like groping about in the dark. πŸ˜‚

For testing the battery, shouldn't I be getting a Battery Load Tester too ? Or with these charger, it's unnecessary to get another Battery Load Tester ?
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I think Bosch C7 has better value for money compared to Ctek. Reason being C7 has a higher ampere rating; significantly faster at bulk charging stage than lower rated chargers. Don't have to be overly obsessed with brands. Somemore Bosch has presence locally, support should be easier.

I don't think you need to have a load tester, quite an overkill for end-user unless one is very anal or has OCD. After operating the charger and getting to know the charging pattern, you will learn to "predict" the health status of the battery, like a load tester; things like charging time for bulk and absorption stage.

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I think Bosch C7 has better value for money compared to Ctek. Reason being C7 has a higher ampere rating; significantly faster at bulk charging stage than lower rated chargers. Don't have to be overly obsessed with brands. Somemore Bosch has presence locally, support should be easier.

I don't think you need to have a load tester, quite an overkill for end-user unless one is very anal or has OCD. After operating the charger and getting to know the charging pattern, you will learn toΒ  "predict" the health status of the battery, like a load tester; things like charging time for bulk and absorption stage.

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Thank you for your kind advise Speedy3210. Will keep Bosch in view now. Customer Support is very important without it, it's like those new fighter jets that can fly no longer. πŸ‘πŸ»πŸ‘πŸ»πŸ‘πŸ»

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Back to topic, I will regularly update the following from time to time that's based on specific criteria just to observe batteries performance. Nevertheless, brands that are not listed, either has not been reviewed or just don't make the cut or is no longer in the market e.g. Yokohama.

Battery Brand (Seal of approval)
1. Varta (5 votes)
2. Century (4 votes)

It's fascinating reading between the lines, it appears that there were Battery Wars going behind the scenes among the battery players. Whatever it is, I trust the battery war will not stop but hope that players in the industry places importance on improvement & quality in their products which will eventually set them apart as a Trusted Brand and not like some fly by night operator out for a quick buck.

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Just change my cx5(non start stop) with a varta sliver efb . I really feel the difference engine start up much quicker and the battery recovers fast. Because if you let go of the brakes when the car is starting , the car just stops starting... and when you start again with the stock battery the car sounds like its struggling but with my new varta a big wow la really got different. Going to change my h city battery soon to varta

Currently having a century in my city about 1.6 years, i will charge all my car battery at least once a week with bosch c7 . Did this to my stock cx5 battery i think the brand is call delco? Lasted about 2.6 years

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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Jan 12 2019, 10:25 AM)
Varta is a very famous old brand, kind of premium brand for battery so not surprised if it's very good coz the price is also probably one of the most expensive and not many people sell it also. Amaron is relatively much newer brand but in the last few years has been the most popular in terms of recommendations and also a bit on the premium side in terms of pricing even though maybe not as expensive as Varta.
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Yes you are correct indeed Varta is truly an established brand after some digging. The name Varta literally means "Made in Germany πŸ‡©πŸ‡ͺ " in the German language. Now I just have to figure out how to get them out from Germany, once I received final confirmation from a Switzerlander on Varta. I cannot miss this up! 🀣

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jan 13 2019, 04:51 PM)
Back to topic, I will regularly update the following from time to time that's based on specific criteria just to observe batteries performance. Nevertheless, brands that are not listed, either has not been reviewed or just don't make the cut or is no longer in the market e.g. Yokohama.

Battery Brand (Seal of approval)
1. Varta (5 votes)
2. Century (4 votes)

It's fascinating reading between the lines, it appears that there were Battery Wars going behind the scenes among the battery players. Whatever it is, I trust the battery war will not stop but hope that players in the industry places importance on improvement & quality in their products which will eventually set them apart as a Trusted Brand and not like some fly by night operator out for a quick buck.
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Since this is a discussion on battery longevity, I think you can channel you energy to another aspect of battery, instead of brands. The aspect I wish to highlight is the battery plate material/composition. Try reading the link below.

http://www.necon.co.za/batttech.php?w=1368&h=912#openModal

Back to your battery choice. I would advice that you measure your car alternator's voltage when it is HOT, say after 30mins of driving. Easier to do this by having those plug-in voltmeter at the lighter port. Match the output voltage with the type of battery that has closest required charging voltage.

The problem with battery market nowadays is companies market their products according to price point, not suitability. Calsium batts are really good at CCA, hence the experience shared by many in here. Silver batts too. But the question is, is your car's charging system built to support that kind of batteries? Again this will explain a lot of the experience shared by users here; short battery life, due to the charging system can't charge other, unexpected type of batteries that the car manufacturer didn't expect its users to use.

For this sole reason, I continued to use non-MF battery in my cars. As I have measured and monitored alternators output of my cars, and they tend to stay at lead-antimony level when fully warmed up.

Hope this info helps in your search for longlife battery.
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I just visited a shop in Segambut KL where they sell all arranges of batteries etc.

They informed me that Varta can also be made in Korea in particularly the blue series. Silver series are made in Europe.

No one seems to talk about Amaron? I have been using it in my other car and I just changed to Amaron in daily driver. So far so good with Amaron.
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I just visited a shop in Segambut KL where they sell all arranges of batteries etc.

They informed me that Varta can also be made in Korea in particularly the blue series. Silver series are made in Europe.

No one seems to talk about Amaron? I have been using it in my other car and I just changed to Amaron in daily driver. So far so good with Amaron.
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That's because Amaron, I understand just burst into the picture and now that it's being tested by many, in time to come the reviews will come to.

I am monitoring an Amaron too and it's been like 9 months only. So like you've said, "So far so good with Amaron." I hope Amaron lives up to its tagline.

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That's because Amaron, I understand just burst into the picture and now that it's being tested by many, in time to come the reviews will come to.

I am monitoring an Amaron too and it's been like 9 months only. So like you've said, "So far so good with Amaron."  I hope Amaron lives up to its tagline.
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My Amaron is 15 months already...so far so good. biggrin.gif

Just always can see some water overflow out surrounding the top sticker. How about yours?
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QUOTE(speedy3210 @ Jan 13 2019, 09:21 PM)
Since this is a discussion on battery longevity, I think you can channel you energy to another aspect of battery, instead of brands. The aspect I wish to highlight is the battery plate material/composition. Try reading the link below.

http://www.necon.co.za/batttech.php?w=1368&h=912#openModal

Back to your battery choice. I would advice that you measure your car alternator's voltage when it is HOT, say after 30mins of driving. Easier to do this by having those plug-in voltmeter at the lighter port. Match the output voltage with the type of battery that has closest required charging voltage.

The problem with battery market nowadays is companies market their products according to price point, not suitability. Calsium batts are really good at CCA, hence the experience shared by many in here. Silver batts too. But the question is, is your car's charging system built to support that kind of batteries? Again this will explain a lot of the experience shared by users here; short battery life, due to the charging system can't charge other, unexpected type of batteries that the car manufacturer didn't expect its users to use.

For this sole reason, I continued to use non-MF battery in my cars. As I have measured and monitored alternators output of my cars, and they tend to stay at lead-antimony level when fully warmed up.

Hope this info helps in your search for longlife battery.
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Thank you for that insightful information Speedy3210. Although I don't understand much of what written but sleeping over it was the best. Was thinking about it all night even in my dreams. wink.gif

You've hit the nail on the head with marketing from the price viewpoint and not suitability. This wasn't an issue earlier on until the influx of substandard batteries from unknown parts of the world.

I will always wonder if the Marathoner was created in response to that influx. I've never used the Marathoner before but obviously the damage been done.

With the current market perception that batteries don't last more than 1 year or batteries lives to just after its warranty you period, I've thought I've found the Battery's Holy Grail with 4 years lifespan, little did I know you guys are already light years ahead of me !

The light at the end of the tunnel just got a lot dimmer for me but the quest for extending battery lifespan must continue. Mankind must always be creative in pushing things to the extreme limits in search of more sustainable solutions in this world of limited resources.

As inept as I maybe but I find myself looking forward to your post more & more. πŸ˜‚

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My Amaron is 15 months already...so far so good.Β  biggrin.gif

Just always can see some water overflow out surrounding the top sticker. How about yours?
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Not yet, that Amaron unit has not pancut just yet.

I don't think the sign of overflowing water is a good thing, as that disrupts the chemical composition inside overtime rendering that unit being unstable. If it's overflowing of milk & honey 🍯 yes but since it's water πŸ’¦ pouring out of the Amaron, caveat emptor, I think.

If I was in your shoe, I will find ways to push back in all that water πŸ’¦ that's flowing out OR it's going to the Medic in no time.

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My amaron just over warranty. Now started to show weak.
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My amaron just over warranty. Now started to show weak.
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That's really not good. By the way, how long was the warranty, therain01 ?
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Not yet, that Amaron unit has not pancut just yet.

I don't think the sign of overflowing water is a good thing, as that disrupts the chemical composition inside overtime rendering that unit being unstable. If it's overflowing of milk & honey 🍯 yes but since it's water πŸ’¦ pouring out of the Amaron, caveat emptor, I think.

If I was in your shoe, I will find ways to push back in all that water πŸ’¦ that's flowing out OR it's going to the Medic in no time.
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Not much actually, just can see especially morning.

I bring back to the shop, they say is fine, test the battery all good.

Under warranty so didn't plan to take off the sticker.

Now become like little white powder. (photo taken last year)


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That's really not good. By the way, how long was the warranty, therain01 ?
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I remember seller told me 12 months. Bought it around rm300 for a 55D23L. No proof of purchase anyway.
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QUOTE(dannyw @ Jan 14 2019, 05:24 PM)
Not much actually, just can see especially morning.

I bring back to the shop, they say is fine, test the battery all good.

Under warranty so didn't plan to take off the sticker.

Now become like little white powder. (photo taken last year)
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That is not good if the acid touch your car body.

BTW, white powder over terminal is also not a good sign. Poor contact, under charge, overcharge all result to white power.
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That is not good if the acid touch your car body.

BTW, white powder over terminal is also not a good sign. Poor contact, under charge, overcharge all result to white power.
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Not on terminal, is on the water stain part. I just notice recently. As I use to wipe off the water, but after sometimes, lazy to border, then only notice become white powder.

So what should i do? can claim warranty?
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Not on terminal, is on the water stain part. I just notice recently. As I use to wipe off the water, but after sometimes, lazy to border, then only notice become white powder.

So what should i do? can claim warranty?
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Well I think you should try to claim but I doubt seller would honor it. I used to have a battery which does leak and I never insist on replacement. In the end the acid overflow to the extend that it rust the car body and gearbox.

Battery should be water tight. Extra pressure or gas should escape from vent holes only.
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I remember seller told me 12 months. Bought it around rm300 for a 55D23L. No proof of purchase anyway.
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My is 16 months, depends on model.

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Well I think you should try to claim but I doubt seller would honor it. I used to have a battery which does leak and I never insist on replacement. In the end the acid overflow to the extend that it rust the car body and gearbox.

Battery should be water tight. Extra pressure or gas should escape from vent holes only.
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So serious? Leak out until drop to body part! Means a lot of water?
My one not that bad actually, is just a bit. Dry off when drive or hot sun. The dry part is just stain & some dust, not white powder.

I try snap photo to show tomorrow.
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Whoa back up there a bit men, Dannyw & Therain01.

Dannyw, yours 16 months under warranty &
Therain, your warranty is for 12 months said the reseller without any proof of documentation.

Was it Amaron that practices uniform warranty period for all its batteries or different warrant periods for different battery models ?
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Irregardless of the situation Dannyw, if I were you I would suit up and remove that battery for some serious cleaning on the external body only and thereafter wipe down & let it air dry. Clean off the terminals & post too.

Plus inspect immediately the areas around the bottom of the battery holder for signs of damages. Remove the holder if possible.

Dirty surfaces leads to surface discharge which will slowly kill off your battery. Maintaining the cleanliness of battery is important unless you wish to keep changing batteries before or immediately after each warranty period.

Another thing that I've learnt in life is to never believe wholeheartedly everything the seller says. I am better off checking everything that I am told.

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Was it Amaron that practices uniform warranty period for all its batteries or different warrant periods for different battery models ?
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No, Amaron has different warranty duration for different models.
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Thank you so much 6UE5T for clearing that up. Then, I must have errorneously mixed up with the warranties of other brands. That's the problem of reading too much.
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Irregardless of the situation Dannyw, if I were you I would suit up and remove that battery for some serious cleaning on the external body only and thereafter wipe down & let it air dry. Clean off the terminals & post too.

Plus inspect immediately the areas around the bottom of the battery holder for signs of damages. Remove the holder if possible.

Dirty surfaces leads to surface discharge which will slowly kill off your battery. Maintaining the cleanliness of battery is important unless you wish to keep changing batteries before or immediately after each warranty period.

Another thing that I've learnt in life is to never believe wholeheartedly everything the seller says. I am better off checking everything that I am told.
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Today photo. No more leak, but the from the sticker surrounding can tell it leak before.

Battery performance still good, maybe will arrange a visit to the shop see what the seller say.


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Today photo. No more leak, but the from the sticker surrounding can tell it leak before.

Battery performance still good, maybe will arrange a visit to the shop see what the seller say.
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At the moment the unit may still be good, it may not look that dirty to you or any of us but dirty conditions on the unit causes it to deteriorate overtime.

If you intent on prolonging its lifespan then keeping it clean is a must. However if you are not particular and don't mind about replacing with a new battery after it's warranty period, then it's all right too.

Seriously you may want to check what's cooking under the battery holder & probably clean that out too, if you intend on keeping the vehicle, otherwise bless the new owner.

I presume that you should know what to do with cleaning the battery out and you have the proper gear & stuffs to accomplish the job. Safety is always the highest priority.

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Today photo. .....
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Hi Dannyw, may I ask how did you attached the Thumbnail picture into your post ? Pretty cool.

After obtaining the owner's permission, I intend to clean out the owner's Amaron unit and post the before & after pictures.
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Today photo. No more leak, but the from the sticker surrounding can tell it leak before.

Battery performance still good, maybe will arrange a visit to the shop see what the seller say.
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Looking at the picture, doesn't seem possibly like a leak as the acid will definitely have corrosion marks over the plastic cover, unlikely that the casing itself is made of PVDF (impervious to acid).

I would hazard guess it would be some rain/puddle water puddle splash or the vapour condensation that likes to accumulate on your battery top...
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At the moment the unit may still be good, it may not look that dirty to you or any of us but dirty conditions on the unit causes it to deteriorate overtime.

If you intent on prolonging its lifespan then keeping it clean is a must. However if you are not particular and don't mind about replacing with a new battery after it's warranty period, then it's all right too.

Seriously you may want to check what's cooking under the battery holder & probably clean that out too, if you intend on keeping the vehicle, otherwise bless the new owner.

I presume that you should know what to do with cleaning the battery out and you have the proper gear & stuffs to accomplish the job. Safety is always the highest priority.
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Well, I have no tools, and not expert in this. Will check it out when have chance.

Thanks for the advice!

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Hi Dannyw, may I ask how did you attached the Thumbnail picture into your post ? Pretty cool.

After obtaining the owner's permission, I intend to clean out the owner's Amaron unit and post the before & after pictures.
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There is the 'Attachments' function on the Reply. Check it out!

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Not much actually, just can see especially morning.

I bring back to the shop, they say is fine, test the battery all good.

Under warranty so didn't plan to take off the sticker.

Now become like little white powder. (photo taken last year)
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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Jan 15 2019, 10:43 AM)
Looking at the picture, doesn't seem possibly like a leak as the acid will definitely have corrosion marks over the plastic cover, unlikely that the casing itself is made of PVDF (impervious to acid).

I would hazard guess it would be some rain/puddle water puddle splash or the vapour condensation that likes to accumulate on your battery top...
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Thanks for your info. If refer to my previous photo, i can see the water is surrounding the sticker, especially overnight when the weather is cold.

If not water leak out, then water from external stay there? hmm.gif maybe like you say is condensation.

Last time when I use Century also have a little bit out on the sticker, that's why i assume is normal when there is a little bit out. As long not too much, and no effect the battery performance is ok.
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What a pity, the owner of the Amaron battery that I wanted to clean, didn't want the battery to be cleaned. I was like ??? That because according to the owner the batteries had never been cleaned before and it's pointless cleaning it, since all battery last to its warranted lifespan.

Well at least I can monitor under such conditions how long will that Amaron last. Anyway will try to take a picture of that Amaron with gunk & goo all around.

Maybe the owner has been conditioned to think that batteries can only last for that specific time period & no longer. sad.gif

It would be really good if battery shops etc had this as an extra service for its clients, to clean the battery and inspect the battery holder surrounding areas. Instead of take out & replace with new battery service & that's it.

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DESIGN RECOMMENDATION FOR BATTERY MANUFACTURERS

In view of cases wherein the acid overflows the vents, perhaps this could resolve the issue corrosion by changing the design on the top surface of the battery instead.

Let there be an indentation wherein all the battery caps lines up something similar to a lowered level in the center. So should there be an overflow, the acid would remain contain or captured inside the indentation or lowered level. Thus saving the vehicle from unnecessary damages.




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No, Amaron has different warranty duration for different models.
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The seller told me that his customers have complained that amaron has signed of evaporazing around the top seals. It doesn't look pretty but shouldn't affect the performance of the battery.

I had a choice of a 800 varta to a 500 amaron and i went with amaron because: -

- been using it and it is good so far.
- 500 amaron might last me over 3 years, no guarantee a varta will last me 5 years.
- year to year costs, amaron is cheaper. Please correct me if i am wrong.

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I just double check my amoron battery it is amaron Pro. Saw a seller offering amaron Pro battery warranty from 18 months to 24 months.

Just wondering if anyone know is there anyway to get the battery warranty if I lost the proof of purchase? I saw a white sticker with some sort of serial number on top of the battery. Not sure if that can be used to trace the purchasing date.
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QUOTE(therain01 @ Jan 16 2019, 05:01 PM)
I just double check my amoron battery it is amaron Pro. Saw a seller offering amaron Pro battery warranty from 18 months to 24 months.

Just wondering if anyone know is there anyway to get the battery warranty if I lost the proof of purchase? I saw a white sticker with some sort of serial number on top of the battery. Not sure if that can be used to trace the purchasing date.
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Proof of purchase (usually means invoice/receipt) is pretty much a must for any warranty claims, unless the seller out of goodwill willing to take in.


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QUOTE(therain01 @ Jan 16 2019, 05:01 PM)
I just double check my amoron battery it is amaron Pro. Saw a seller offering amaron Pro battery warranty from 18 months to 24 months.

Just wondering if anyone know is there anyway to get the battery warranty if I lost the proof of purchase? I saw a white sticker with some sort of serial number on top of the battery. Not sure if that can be used to trace the purchasing date.
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You must enquire from the seller as to how is it possible for the same seller to have 2 different warranty periods on the same battery model ? How do they keep track of which is which ?

If it's via your credit card πŸ’³, check against the statement surely something like a name as a proof of purchase will turn up.

If it's via cash πŸ’°, then just get back to the seller whom you got your Amaron from. The seller would have some information on the serial number right since it was through him ?

The Amaron that I wanted to clean, was an Amaron Pro and there was no date on that unit too, which I find was strange. Century batteries are immediately dated via engraving on the unit the moment payment is made.

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Middle Picture : Could see the gunk that's collected at the bottom over the years.

Bottom Picture : Areas surrounding the last 2 caps on the right looks like it's coated with grime, not sure if you could see it clearly from this angle but it's registering a surface discharge of 6.34 volts when tested.

Will be interesting to see how long will this battery hold out under such conditions.

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MONITORING BATTERY'S HEALTH ONLINE

How many of you guys are using CTEK Battery Sense application to monitor the state of health for your batteries and would you recommend or not recommend this product ?

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HOW LUCRATIVE IS THE BATTERY BUSINESS ?

Reading in between the lines, it is that bloody lucrative indeed and I believe it's a numbers game too.

It's so lucrative indeed until a reseller is willing to produce an in-house brand instead ! Talk about going downstream.

It's so lucrative indeed until it's spawned a market for 2nd hand batteries by itself !!! Now that's amazing cause it just shows how important education is and with a "lifespan of a year" who know what else in store ???

But the last has to be this which I haven't cracked yet, how is it possible that an exceptionally established brand is giving a warranty of only a year ??? Just blows my mind thinking of how to solve this riddle.
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Now that I think back about how did I managed to squeeze out 4 years from battery is has to be these few conditions were met.

1. Constantly recharged : Being in my work horse, literally meant it was frequently in a high state of charge as it's being driven. Anyway that's what most intellegent charges aims to replicate.

2. The most prominent difference between this success and all previous failures was the methods of ventilation used in an effort to keep heat away from the battery over prolonged periods.

Although it's written that less than 30% of batteries ever makes it the 4 year mark, (I don't know how the writer derived to that figure) but I do hope that it was these 2 major factors that did for me. Am replicating the same techniques again and if it scores another 4 year mark or more, then surely it has to be constant high state of charge & non exposure to prolonged heat source.
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Here's something I think you guys might find useful.

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ACID GUARD for Low Maintenance Battery

I've been searching high & low for this Acid Guard for so long and finally I've found it and grabbed a few straight away. Only a handful of these are left that's unsold.

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LEFT : Original unit.
RIGHT : Sides had been removed to fit on top of a smaller battery.

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Sigh the battery used in Mazda's car macam barely can last 1 year
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FOMOCO

MF battery from Ford.
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my FOMOCO ori from ford didnt even last 2 yrs.
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Sigh the battery used in Mazda's car macam barely can last 1 year
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What battery brand is that ?
Is your battery stock which came when you received your new ride ? Or has the battery been replaced before ?


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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jan 24 2019, 10:55 AM)
What battery brand is that ?
Is your battery stock which came when you received your new ride ? Or has the battery been replaced before ?
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I am still using stock but I've seen many changes their battery at 1 year ish mark. Or at most 2 years only.

So I foresee I'll be changing mine anytime after a year.

I think the stock battery is Delco? I am planning to go for Varta or Amaron if it dies.

My old Myvi's Yokohoma battery lasted 5 years. Still have 80% health when I changed it due to aging reason.

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UPDATE : Battery brands that has lasted minimum of 4 years or more.

Battery Brand (Seal of Approval)
1. Varta (5 votes)
2. Century (4 votes)
3. Panasonic (1 vote: MF - Stock)

Instead of searching for testimonies only, I've decided that to further strengthen the above data, within my Catholic community and of close friends, i will start gathering real data i.e. their used battery to conduct further tests.

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jan 24 2019, 11:06 AM)
UPDATE : Battery brands that has lasted minimum of 4 years or more.

Battery Brand (Seal of Approval)
1. Varta (5 votes)
2. Century (4 votes)
3. Panasonic (1 vote: MF - Stock)

Instead of searching for testimonies only, I've decided that to further strengthen the above data, within my Catholic community and of close friends, i will start gathering real data i.e. their used battery to conduct further tests.
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BMW original batt - 6 years but time to change already
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QUOTE(Duckies @ Jan 24 2019, 10:57 AM)
I am still using stock but I've seen many changes their battery at 1 year ish mark. Or at most 2 years only.

So I foresee I'll be changing mine anytime after a year.

I think the stock battery is Delco? I am planning to go for Varta or Amaron if it dies.

My old Myvi's Yokohoma battery lasted 5 years. Still have 80% health when I changed it due to aging reason.
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I respect your decision but if I were you, this is what I would do. I will still select the identical brand, Delco and see how that pans out before switching to another brand. Using the same brand in a row allows me to make comparisons.

Yes Yokohama was indeed a great brand with outstanding testimonies but this brand no longer exist as I was told. However driving around recently, I been seeing Yokohama in an all black casing with gold coloured sticker or something like that. Will try to take a picture of this brand or maybe it could be different spelling or something.

What a waste as I would love to collect your used Yokohama to do some research. sad.gif

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I respect your decision but if I were you, this is what I would do. I will still select the identical brand, Delco and see how that pans out before switching to another brand. Using the same brand in a row allows me to make comparisons.

Yes Yokohama was indeed a great brand with outstanding testimonies but this brand no longer exist as I was told. However driving around recently, I been seeing Yokohama in an all black casing with gold coloured sticker or something like that. Will try to take a picture of this brand or maybe it could be different spelling or something.

What a waste as I would love to collect your used Yokohama to do some research. sad.gif
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Hahaha my old Myvi changed to Century or something. I think it just pass 1 year mark. I passed the car to my sister already.

Lol don't think I'll stick with Delco anymore. I'll let others to do the testing XD
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QUOTE(IamAHuman @ Jan 24 2019, 11:07 AM)
BMW original batt - 6 years but time to change already
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Wait a minute, if I recall properly you did mentioned that you were getting a battery charger am I not right ? If you were getting the charger, didn't the charger prolong the battery lifespan ? What brand was your batttery ? What charger did you buy ?

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jan 24 2019, 09:24 PM)
Wait a minute, if I recall properly you did mentioned that you were getting a battery charger am I not right ? If you were getting the charger, didn't the charger prolong the battery lifespan ? What brand was your batttery ? What charger did you buy ?
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Charger have not arrived yet and my batt is a little weak. Will update once it arrives.
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Charger have not arrived yet and my batt is a little weak. Will update once it arrives.
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Understand.

The timing may not be perfect but hey at least with the new battery & new charger, hopefully they will keep things running for a longer period of time. smile.gif

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And from what I heard, different distributor in Malaysia and both offer different pricing with different warranty period (obviously the extra months warranty will be more expensive)
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Very true,bro. I just checked with Amaron's dealer in Penang.
Different tyre shops, different pricing and warranty period with reference to models as well.
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Double post, sorry.

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I don't know about you guys but all these while I was under the impression that automotive batteries are made in large factories with proper equipments etc.

What I saw today just blew my mind. Out from the back of the shop lot, they workers brought batteries clean and unmarked whatsoever to be charged. It was then the batteryman ended my conversation with him to attend to these "new batteries" that unnamed and unmarked etc.

Surely there's a market for such batteries but as to what name it's marketed under, now that is something I will try to find that one out.

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I don't know about you guys but all these while I was under the impression that automotive batteries are made in large factories with proper equipments etc.

What I saw today just blew my mind. Out from the back of the shop lot, they workers brought batteries clean and unmarked whatsoever to be charged. It was then the batteryman ended my conversation with him to attend to these "new batteries" that unnamed and unmarked etc.

Surely there's a market for such batteries but as to what name it's marketed under, now that is something I will try to find that one out.
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Just checking with you guys who have experience with car battery charger. Whether it is Bosch, CTEK, or Noco. Can share your thoughts & reviews regarding the products?
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QUOTE(VeeJay @ Jan 25 2019, 06:59 PM)
Kat Msia semua boleh, bro...sigh!
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I memang terkejut nampak batteri bateri yg ditolak atas trolley bawa ke depan dimana ada industrial charger mereka. I've always assume from big factories, mana tau shop lot boleh jadi production center ! Steady bugger, mana tau maybe cap "......." boleh tahan berapa lama ? Kalau tak silap, 1 forummer here somewhere pernah tulis cap "Ayam" brand lebih baik daripada brand famous.

Betul u cakap, kat Msia ini semua boleh .... tapi hanya satu benda aje tak boleh, kadar pertukaran wang asing.

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I memang terkejut nampak batteri bateri yg ditolak atas trolley bawa ke depan dimana ada industrial charger mereka. I've always assume from big factories, mana tau shop lot boleh jadi production center ! Steady bugger, mana tau maybe cap "......." boleh tahan berapa lama ? Kalau tak silap, 1 forummer here somewhere pernah tulis cap "Ayam" brand lebih baik daripada brand famous.

Betul u cakap, kat Msia ini semua boleh .... tapi hanya satu benda aje tak boleh, kadar pertukaran wang asing.
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tu sebab wang asing la! kalau wang tempatan sure boleh punya! hahaha lol
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tu sebab wang asing la! kalau wang tempatan sure boleh punya! hahaha lol
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Meter sarcasm u banyak kuat. LOL Betul kalau ikut cakap wang tempatan boleh punya .... boleh turun lagi loh .... LOL

Ini saya ta rak paham, ahli politik no rasa malu meh susut nilai matawang ? Ada pulak ahli politik yang bangga pulak dengan susutan nilai !!! 😳
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QUOTE(hnr2802 @ Jan 25 2019, 07:06 PM)
Just checking with you guys who have experience with car battery charger. Whether it is Bosch, CTEK, or Noco. Can share your thoughts & reviews regarding the products?
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I think if any person who is most appropriate to give their reviews on the above battery chargers should be the one who has owned all of the above models. Only then will the reviews be fair.

Never heard of Noco battery charger before but thank you. Will find out more about Noco.

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LOW MAINTENANCE BATTERIES DON'T LEAK ???

Well if that is true for you then you must be lucky after all this while. Couldn't believe what I just saw when a friend of mine asked for assistance.

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Here's the bottom part ...,

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I've always used Century but my latest Century that less than 3 months can't even hold its charge, dropping to mere 70%.

A new battery must be able to hold its charge no matter what, since ISO so naturally I would assume it should be all the same otherwise it's a fault. For that Ive retracted my vote for Century.

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Battery Brand (Seal of Approval)
1. Varta (5 votes)
2. Century (3 votes)
3. Panasonic (1 vote: MF - Stock)

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No Amaron battery in the list?

i using Amaron maintenance free battery for my '06 Vios, battery date Jan 2015.

Just replaced my Myvi battery to Amaron too.

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No Amaron battery in the list?

i using Amaron maintenance free battery for my '06 Vios, battery date Jan 2015.

Just replaced my Myvi battery to Amaron too.
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You must be one of the first Amaron user I guess. smile.gif Ok will add Amaron to the list.

Once I get my battery Analyzer & battery Charger instead of checking out testimonials only, I am going to start conducting various tests throughout my community and their batteries. That should give me a better analysis of what's good & what's crap.

I believe as customers when we purchase better built quality items, manufacturers with good practices will remain in the industry and weed out bad practices.

However when customers starts selecting for the cheapest on the shelf, it signals to the manufacturers that quality is NOT priority, hence the market will be flooded with all kinds of crap and manufacturers with good practices will find it hard to compete.
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jan 29 2019, 05:47 PM)
LOW MAINTENANCE BATTERIES DON'T LEAK ???

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MF batteries don't need to top up water like regular batteries, that's the main feature. All else, the construction is exactly the same like normal lead acid batteries and can leak due to abuse, especially too much vibration or improper charging which leads to too much gas buildup.

QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jan 30 2019, 09:56 AM)
I believe as customers when we purchase better built quality items, manufacturers with good practices will remain in the industry and weed out bad practices.

However when customers starts selecting for the cheapest on the shelf, it signals to the manufacturers that quality is NOT priority, hence the market will be flooded with all kinds of crap and manufacturers with good practices will find it hard to compete.
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The problem is there isn't a watch dog group that sets the minimum standards, hence any cap ayam also can sell. If need to get properly certified, many unknown brands will vanish.

Voting with the wallets always leads to the race to the bottom, but the damage could not be undone in some circumstances. That's why in europe, for example, no CE rating on product, langsung tak boleh masuk market. However, still got people tipu say the product meet CE standards but in actual fact is not.

The fallback will be that, established markets have their own norms of minimum standards even without specific regulations, their collective conscious will self regulate (especially european countries; US is pretty greyish). But that is a whole new topic altogether....

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jan 30 2019, 09:56 AM)
You must be one of the first Amaron user I guess. smile.gif Ok will add Amaron to the list.

Once I get my battery Analyzer & battery Charger instead of checking out testimonials only, I am going to start conducting various tests throughout my community and their batteries. That should give me a better analysis of what's good & what's crap.

I believe as customers when we purchase better built quality items, manufacturers with good practices will remain in the industry and weed out bad practices.

However when customers starts selecting for the cheapest on the shelf, it signals to the manufacturers that quality is NOT priority, hence the market will be flooded with all kinds of crap and manufacturers with good practices will find it hard to compete.
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Darn right, price is one important factor. At first i also hesitate to go for Amaron brand as price is slightly higher but I have friend have been using it for more than 3 years hence i gave it a try, now mine lasted more than 4 years and still using, my mechanic did told me since the battery is already more than 3 years if one day I find my car hard to start, got to replace battery immediately.
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jan 29 2019, 05:47 PM)
LOW MAINTENANCE BATTERIES DON'T LEAK ???

Well if that is true for you then you must be lucky after all this while. Couldn't believe what I just saw when a friend of mine asked for assistance.

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Here's the bottom part ...,

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Most probably the battery's electrolyte is over filled... During the 1st time charging. Take out the battery, clean the affected area & reapply the paint to protect from corrosions.
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QUOTE(hnr2802 @ Jan 25 2019, 07:06 PM)
Just checking with you guys who have experience with car battery charger. Whether it is Bosch, CTEK, or Noco. Can share your thoughts & reviews regarding the products?
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Noco chargers seem like a rugged up version of ctek. The main differentiating feature is the ability to also charge lithium batteries which normal bosch and ctek charger have a dedicated lithium charger. All else being quite similar, all have some sort of circuit/overcharging protection and some elemental resistance.

Only some dedicated enthusiast or motorsport application will use lithium batteries. So all 3 brands will work fine with the cars available locally, just choose which one you fancy.
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QUOTE(Zeroize @ Jan 30 2019, 11:24 AM)
Darn right, price is one important factor.Β  At first i also hesitate to go for Amaron brand as price is slightly higher but I have friend have been using it for more than 3 years hence i gave it a try, now mine lasted more than 4 years and still using, my mechanic did told me since the battery is already more than 3 years if one day I find my car hard to start, got to replace battery immediately.
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If the car is without modern day electronics there's nothing to lose, I guess.

But if it's equipped with modern day electronics etc & it gets damaged because of weakening or dead battery, then it becomes an expensive lesson altogether.

If I were in your shoes, I would be extra vigilant now onwards as it has breached the 4 year lifespan mark. I am interested to know how long would your Amaron lasts too & good luck.

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last time i used century marathoner only last me about 10 months then I claimed warranty but managed to last another 10 months again then I changed car d
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QUOTE(yhsiau @ Jan 30 2019, 11:30 AM)
Most probably the battery's electrolyte is over filled... During the 1st time charging. Take out the battery, clean the affected area & reapply the paint to protect from corrosions.
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I've never expected the "factory" to ever make such a mistake with a Low Maintenance Battery, but I guess it's plausible.

It's the cleaning part now that's the most difficult part. Any missed spots of rust will definately cause another round of corrosion, although it's been repainted.
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QUOTE(Jackofree @ Jan 30 2019, 11:39 AM)
last time i used century marathoner only last me about 10 months then I claimed warranty but managed to last another 10 months again then I changed car d
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This is the common issue plaguing the Marathoner.
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jan 30 2019, 11:37 AM)
If the car is without modern day electronics there's nothing to lose, I guess.

But if it's equipped with modern day electronics etc & it gets damaged because of weakening or dead battery, then it becomes an expensive lesson altogether.

If I were in your shoes, I would be extra vigilant now onwards as it has breached the 4 year lifespan mark. I am interested to know how long would your Amaron lasts too & good luck.
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more than 10 years old car, i guess no modern electronics except the CD player tongue.gif
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Usually battery warranty 12 months, but few times i change battery. The battery shop/delivery guy said, u drive a Peugeot, we can only give you 8-10month warranty instead of 12 month

Can they actually do that?
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Jan 30 2019, 02:59 PM)
Usually battery warranty 12 months, but few times i change battery. The battery shop/delivery guy said, u drive a Peugeot, we can only give you 8-10month warranty instead of 12 month

Can they actually do that?
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No such shits.. don't buy from them. Or, suffer later.
Just choose any honest shops.
For Peugeot cars, it's advised to choose the "full specs" car battery.
Sub specs battery won't last.
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Jan 30 2019, 02:59 PM)
Usually battery warranty 12 months, but few times i change battery. The battery shop/delivery guy said, u drive a Peugeot, we can only give you 8-10month warranty instead of 12 month

Can they actually do that?
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Under such circumstances, either you select back the same battery brand & model that came in the new car OR check with Peugeot Service Center what type of battery is recommended for your vehicle.

I would rather listen to what forummers here have to say than compared to what battery resellers have to say. If they have the audacity to even say such things, I would rather bring my business somewhere else.

Definately agree with yhsiau.

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peugeot.. why not just get from carput/batteryku apps
amaron got 18 month warranty at rm470 for din 65 though.
century ultramax 21 month warranty din75 at rm520
(prices fro caput)

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QUOTE(fireballs @ Jan 30 2019, 05:54 PM)
peugeot.. why not just get from carput/batteryku apps
amaron got 18 month warrantyΒ  at rm470 for din 65 though.
century ultramax 21 month warranty din75 at rm520Β  
(prices fro caput)
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friend, please take note that the Din75L can fit certain models of Peugeot, not all models of Peugeot.

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friend, please take note that the Din75L can fit certain models of Peugeot, not all models of Peugeot.
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yes. i am taking 5008 as example...

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Recently met up with a friend and he lamented that despite him asking the Authorized Distributor for the brand I've always used, he was given a "Cap Ayam" brand instead citing "No stock!" I literally couldn't believe what on earth I was hearing.

Someone one once said here that nothing good could come off the back of this. I've thought long & hard and now I am going to make it happen.

Hence I placed an order for some diagnostic tool and once I receive them, I am going to weed out unscrupulous traders in the battery business.

It's time for businesses to pull up their socks if they want to remain around and businesses better be honest about it.
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Just received the 1st battery casualty. It has been only in service for 5 months !!!

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While it shows a 100% charge on the Multimeter but it couldn't fire up the vehicle yesterday. Will see how it goes once further test are completed.

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Just received the 1st battery casualty. It has been only in service for 5 months !!!

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While it shows a 100% charge on the Multimeter but it couldn't fire up the vehicle yesterday. Will see how it goes once further test are completed.

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Better use proper battery meter to test it, could you test the CCA of this battery, State of charge, state of health ?
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Better use proper battery meter to test it, could you test the CCA of this battery, State of charge, state of health ?
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You are correct, a Multimeter is not the right tool. Now I am awaiting for the arrival of the battery tester.

Although the reading is 12.66 Volts which should be 100% charged but it does not have the Cranking Amps to fire up the car.

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My mechanic recommends this:

furukawa denchi

he is old skool type, play BT20V & now K20 breadvan. So far in my decade of visiting him, he has never been wrong in his advise.

My next battery will be this.

Any others have experience with this brand?
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QUOTE(Chrix @ Mar 1 2019, 04:09 PM)
My mechanic recommends this:

furukawa denchi

he is old skool type, play BT20V & now K20 breadvan. So far in my decade of visiting him, he has never been wrong in his advise.

My next battery will be this.

Any others have experience with this brand?
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Never ever seen or heard of FURUKAWA DENCHI. Warranty is for how long ?
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QUOTE(Jackofree @ Jan 30 2019, 11:39 AM)
last time i used century marathoner only last me about 10 months then I claimed warranty but managed to last another 10 months again then I changed car d
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So today I've washed the dead Yokohama battery to prevent any surface discharge further and to remove all the gunk on it.

After wiping it down for it to be air dryed, I decided to tilt the battery slightly to it sides to allow excess water πŸ’¦ to flow away.

I was shock with the amount of water that was pouring out from both sides when it was tilted !

It's a design flaw to be have so much water entrapped in between the crevices etc.

To put it in layman terms, I wouldn't be buying this model with a flaw in its design that's for sure.

While this model may look nice with its futuristic design but this doesn't cut it. Practicality always supersedes asthetics if efficiency is what one is looking for.

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So today I've washed the dead Yokohama battery to prevent any surface discharge further and to remove all the gunk on it.

After wiping it down for it to be air dryed, I decided to tilt the battery slightly to it sides to allow excess water πŸ’¦ to flow away.

I was shock with the amount of water that was pouring out from both sides when it was tilted !

It's a design flaw to be have so much water entrapped in between the crevices etc.

To put it in layman terms, I wouldn't be buying this model with a flaw in its design that's for sure.

While this model may look nice with its futuristic design but this doesn't cut it. Practicality always supersedes asthetics if efficiency is what one is looking for.
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Isn't there is ventilation hole on one of the side? If you turn upside down of coz the acidic electrolyte will pour out from that hole. It is for venting to avoid high pressure during charging.
The venting hole I'm referring to
https://www.techconnectcanada.com/blog/2017...tery-vent-plugs

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What cars are you using? Honestly my first Century was the Marathoner and I'm disappointed with it and will never buy it again. It lasted over 2 years for my car with countless jump starts within that duration coz I didn't use the car for 5-7 days. Now I'm trying the Century Ultramax which is supposed to be their best model and it is better but not by much. It also already need to be jump started a few times, not yet 1.5 yrs though.

I also often hear recommendations for Amaron but never hear that they can last 7 years! Maybe next change I will try this brand but I will not try Century anymore, not even their Ultramax.
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Bro.... my ultramax died after 1 year. Really BS man.
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QUOTE(voscar @ Mar 1 2019, 11:39 PM)
Isn't there is ventilation hole on one of the side? If you turn upside down of coz the acidic electrolyte will pour out from that hole. It is for venting to avoid high pressure during charging.
The venting hole I'm referring to
https://www.techconnectcanada.com/blog/2017...tery-vent-plugs
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No I did not turn it upside down.

Rather I tilted it slightly to the left & to the right to allow excess water to drain out because of the many 'fins' design.

Since I did it on the cement floor and there was no chemical reaction at all, means that the acid sulfuric composition did not flow out. If there was acid sulfuric on the cement floor, there would surely would be chemical reaction.

It's a design flaw, to make it look nice but the downside is that it traps water instead.

What's mind-boggling is what is the purpose of those fins ? Other than to justify it for a higher price perhaps.

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maybe it wasn't the "fins" that retained water. Yokohama MF batteries design since that all black version, got this piece of black plastic cover where the warranty sticker is stuck on.

You can try to pry of that cover to see all 6 fill holes. but since that thing is still under warranty, better NOT.
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QUOTE(victorlaw @ Mar 2 2019, 12:26 AM)
Bro....  my ultramax died after 1 year. Really BS man.
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Use in your GTI? My Ultramax is around 1.5yrs now. It got warranty of 18 or 20mths if not mistaken so if died under that then you can claim a new unit.
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suzuki alto 2010 model.. year 2017 replace the battery..
originally come with Amaron battery maintenance free.. replace it with Amaron Go..
the car CBU from india..
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QUOTE(amad108 @ Mar 2 2019, 03:09 PM)
suzuki alto 2010 model.. year 2017 replace the battery..
originally come with Amaron battery maintenance free.. replace it with Amaron Go..
the car CBU from india..
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That's really impressive 7 years for an Amaron battery + CBU all the way from India. Question was it a Maintenance Free or Flooded Battery or AGM etc ?

I am now hoping that all other Amarons in the country stands up to above 4 year period.
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QUOTE(speedy3210 @ Mar 2 2019, 10:27 AM)
maybe it wasn't the "fins" that retained water. Yokohama MF batteries design since that all black version, got this piece of black plastic cover where the warranty sticker is stuck on.

You can try to pry of that cover to see all 6 fill holes. but since that thing is still under warranty, better NOT.
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This Yokohama MF Gold Series battery belongs to someone else. It was handed over to me to do comparisons between batteries to find out & compare good quality made batteries.

The battery is really weak and since it's been scrapped by the owner, I will tear of the stickers. The warranty is no longer applicable since we're not claiming for it.

The fins do trap water besides I do not like the design which traps water.

If I had a blower or air compressor to blow dry the wet battery that would be great but since I don't have one, drying those fins is a hassle. Will try to get a picture of those fins at the sides tomorrow.

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Mar 2 2019, 10:28 PM)
That's really impressive 7 years for an Amaron battery + CBU all the way from India. Question was it a Maintenance Free or Flooded Battery or AGM etc ?

I am now hoping that all other Amarons in the country stands up to above 4 year period.
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battery only as good as ur alternator and the charge / discharge cycles..

battery in car in other countries last 5-8 yrs,
30,000 cold cranking amps in the winter, when car in under snow for 4-5 days.

asian batteries are almost all rejects..


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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Mar 2 2019, 12:29 PM)
Use in your GTI? My Ultramax is around 1.5yrs now. It got warranty of 18 or 20mths if not mistaken so if died under that then you can claim a new unit.
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Yup in GTI. The changed a new one for me. That new one is already close to 1 year old. Car hard to crank sometimes now.
I really didnt expect 1 year life span.
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QUOTE(Jackofree @ Jan 30 2019, 11:39 AM)
last time i used century marathoner only last me about 10 months then I claimed warranty but managed to last another 10 months again then I changed car d
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May I know how to claim warranty on car battery?
Do they give you a replacement straight away?
Or they take your battery back to investigate first before they give you a replacement?

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QUOTE(cucubud @ Mar 7 2019, 11:01 PM)
May I know how to claim warranty on car battery?
Do they give you a replacement straight away?
Or they take your battery back to investigate first before they give you a replacement?
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i don't think they will give new battery straight away.
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post Mar 7 2019, 11:38 PM

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QUOTE(Crazy_Fella @ Mar 7 2019, 11:07 PM)
i don't think they will give new battery straight away.
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That means my car will be without battery until they give me a replacement unit?

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QUOTE(P0lyStati0n @ Jan 7 2019, 11:50 PM)
Stock Vios 2016 with dashcam+USB 5V 2.1A
Exactly 2 years, 50k KM
Battery didn't die, but SA suggest to replace. I can feel the difference for Start/Stop engine after change battery.

Now it's habit for me to press Start/Stop button 2 times, before pressing brake pedal & Start.
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What's the purpose of press start/stop 2 times???
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post Mar 8 2019, 04:53 PM

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QUOTE(cucubud @ Mar 7 2019, 11:38 PM)
That means my car will be without battery until they give me a replacement unit?
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Usually what happens is that, the battery reseller would lend to you a spare battery first, while they investigate the problem with the faulty battery that's under warranty.

If it's confirmed to be faulty, they would give you a replacement and you have to return back the battery that was loaned to you.

That's what happened to my neighbour battery. Keep your Battery Warranty Card in the car always. smile.gif
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Mar 8 2019, 04:53 PM)
Usually what happens is that, the battery reseller would lend to you a spare battery first, while they investigate the problem with the faulty battery that's under warranty.

If it's confirmed to be faulty, they would give you a replacement and you have to return back the battery that was loaned to you.

That's what happened to my neighbour battery. Keep your Battery Warranty Card in the car always. smile.gif
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Thank you for your reply.
At least we can still use the car.

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user posted image

As promised earlier, here's picture of the side with what appears to be vent design. For whatever purpose it was designed for, cleaning it ain't no fun plus drying as well.

Not only the sides with vent pattern makes cleaning harder but if you notice above the vents in the center there's a hole in the center and this hole is where liquid gets trapped in. Bad design overall.


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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Mar 8 2019, 06:09 PM)
user posted image

As promised earlier, here's picture of the side with what appears to be vent design. For whatever purpose it was designed for, cleaning it ain't no fun plus drying as well.

Not only the sides with vent pattern makes cleaning harder but if you notice above the vents in the center there's a hole in the center and this hole is where liquid gets trapped in. Bad design overall.
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Did you cover that vent hole when washing/cleaning the battery? Hopefully you did not put water inside that hole. If you are not claiming warranty can try to pry out the whole vent hole cover.

If you have battery charger at home maybe can rescue this battery probably suffering from sulfation.
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QUOTE(Ciypher @ Mar 8 2019, 10:44 PM)
Did you cover that vent hole when washing/cleaning the battery?Β  Hopefully you did not put water inside that hole. If you are not claiming warranty can try to pry out the whole vent hole cover.

If you have battery charger at home maybe can rescue this battery probably suffering from sulfation.
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I hope that's not the real vent hole but it's adjoining to the battery's handle. If it was a real vent hole that would be a complete disaster.

Anyway I haven't decided if I want to recharge this battery back to life cause if I did what am I supposed to do with it ?

Besides there were gunk all around this unit, putting this battery into service would be just asking for trouble. Will see how it goes or I might just end up tearing it apart to collect data.

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guys. Amaron split up with power Zone, the whokle orange color battery. is it reliable? Currently on marathoner. get a preety bad feedback but I am using it ok. But I think I will get it change when it hit th warranty period.
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jan 30 2019, 09:56 AM)
You must be one of the first Amaron user I guess. smile.gif Ok will add Amaron to the list.

Once I get my battery Analyzer & battery Charger instead of checking out testimonials only, I am going to start conducting various tests throughout my community and their batteries. That should give me a better analysis of what's good & what's crap.

I believe as customers when we purchase better built quality items, manufacturers with good practices will remain in the industry and weed out bad practices.

However when customers starts selecting for the cheapest on the shelf, it signals to the manufacturers that quality is NOT priority, hence the market will be flooded with all kinds of crap and manufacturers with good practices will find it hard to compete.
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I am very curious. Why u have so much interest in batteries? Lol. Hobby or what? For me, I dun even know what battery brand I am using! Usually they last 1 to 2 years only. I treat it as about rm300 expense every 2 years.. why bother with all those diagnostics .. just change new one.. not that expensive really smile.gif

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Mar 9 2019, 06:19 AM)
I hope that's not the real vent hole but it's adjoining to the battery's handle. If it was a real vent hole that would be a complete disaster.

Anyway I haven't decided if I want to recharge this battery back to life cause if I did what am I supposed to do with it ?

Besides there were gunk all around this unit, putting this battery into service would be just asking for trouble. Will see how it goes or I might just end up tearing it apart to collect data.
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I might be wrong but most likely it is. Anyway no harm to revive the battery and keep at home. For me I personally use it to test my bulbs bought online, test my tyre pump motor or to jump start(at home) if you don't have a jump start power bank.. just to name a few uses..
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QUOTE(aspartame @ Mar 9 2019, 09:36 AM)
I am very curious. Why u have so much interest in batteries? Lol. Hobby or what? For me, I dun even know what battery brand I am using! Usually they last 1 to 2 years only. I treat it as about rm300 expense every 2 years.. why bother with all those diagnostics .. just change new one.. not that expensive really smile.gif
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I really like old cars and if the battery died that's it, I would just change it. It doesn't affect the car one bit.

However with modern cars its totally different. A weak battery is sufficient to cause a complete nervous meltdown.

Besides while travelling, the battery suddenly died during the journey & luckily we were near our destination. Cannot imagine if this happened while travelling in the middle of the highway !!!

You can also call this Preventive Management. Since then I have been adopting various different techniques just to prolong the battery lifespan and understanding better about battery management systems.

Just like any end user, what I want is quality and peace of mind plus bang for our buck on the things we buy. Nothing irks me more when the poor are scammed of their hard earned money, because businessmen sees its their right to mislead gullible end users.
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Mar 9 2019, 10:06 PM)
I really like old cars and if the battery died that's it, I would just change it. It doesn't affect the car one bit.

However with modern cars its totally different. A weak battery is sufficient to cause a complete nervous meltdown. 

Besides while travelling, the battery suddenly died during the journey & luckily we were near our destination. Cannot imagine if this happened while travelling in the middle of the highway !!!

You can also call this Preventive Management. Since then I have been adopting various different techniques just to prolong the battery lifespan and understanding better about battery management systems.

Just like any end user, what I want is quality and peace of mind plus bang for our buck on the things we buy. Nothing irks me more when the poor are scammed of their hard earned money, because businessmen sees its their right to mislead gullible end users.
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What? Can battery die while driving ?
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QUOTE(aspartame @ Mar 9 2019, 10:33 PM)
What? Can battery die while driving ?
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Yes it has happened before and it will surely happen again.

In fact the Yokohama in picture belongs to a friend of mine whose battery died on his way to a meeting.

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Mar 9 2019, 11:00 PM)
Yes it has happened before and it will surely happen again.

In fact the Yokohama in picture belongs to a friend of mine whose battery died on his way to a meeting.
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Battery died while driving but engine still running right?

Battery only needed to start the engine the rest is alternator jobs.

Or I am wrong?
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QUOTE(cucubud @ Mar 7 2019, 11:01 PM)
May I know how to claim warranty on car battery?
Do they give you a replacement straight away?
Or they take your battery back to investigate first before they give you a replacement?
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My case, they check with meter, the value below acceptable

Can't remember but not voltage value

They straight away replace with a new battery

Bosch mf
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QUOTE(magnesium @ Mar 9 2019, 11:04 PM)
Battery died while driving but engine still running right?

Battery only needed to start the engine the rest is alternator jobs.

Or I am wrong?