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post Jan 15 2019, 10:43 AM

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QUOTE(dannyw @ Jan 15 2019, 07:57 AM)
Today photo. No more leak, but the from the sticker surrounding can tell it leak before.

Battery performance still good, maybe will arrange a visit to the shop see what the seller say.
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Looking at the picture, doesn't seem possibly like a leak as the acid will definitely have corrosion marks over the plastic cover, unlikely that the casing itself is made of PVDF (impervious to acid).

I would hazard guess it would be some rain/puddle water puddle splash or the vapour condensation that likes to accumulate on your battery top...
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post Jan 16 2019, 05:18 PM

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QUOTE(therain01 @ Jan 16 2019, 05:01 PM)
I just double check my amoron battery it is amaron Pro. Saw a seller offering amaron Pro battery warranty from 18 months to 24 months.

Just wondering if anyone know is there anyway to get the battery warranty if I lost the proof of purchase? I saw a white sticker with some sort of serial number on top of the battery. Not sure if that can be used to trace the purchasing date.
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Proof of purchase (usually means invoice/receipt) is pretty much a must for any warranty claims, unless the seller out of goodwill willing to take in.


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post Jan 30 2019, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jan 29 2019, 05:47 PM)
LOW MAINTENANCE BATTERIES DON'T LEAK ???

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MF batteries don't need to top up water like regular batteries, that's the main feature. All else, the construction is exactly the same like normal lead acid batteries and can leak due to abuse, especially too much vibration or improper charging which leads to too much gas buildup.

QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jan 30 2019, 09:56 AM)
I believe as customers when we purchase better built quality items, manufacturers with good practices will remain in the industry and weed out bad practices.

However when customers starts selecting for the cheapest on the shelf, it signals to the manufacturers that quality is NOT priority, hence the market will be flooded with all kinds of crap and manufacturers with good practices will find it hard to compete.
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The problem is there isn't a watch dog group that sets the minimum standards, hence any cap ayam also can sell. If need to get properly certified, many unknown brands will vanish.

Voting with the wallets always leads to the race to the bottom, but the damage could not be undone in some circumstances. That's why in europe, for example, no CE rating on product, langsung tak boleh masuk market. However, still got people tipu say the product meet CE standards but in actual fact is not.

The fallback will be that, established markets have their own norms of minimum standards even without specific regulations, their collective conscious will self regulate (especially european countries; US is pretty greyish). But that is a whole new topic altogether....

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post Jan 30 2019, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(hnr2802 @ Jan 25 2019, 07:06 PM)
Just checking with you guys who have experience with car battery charger. Whether it is Bosch, CTEK, or Noco. Can share your thoughts & reviews regarding the products?
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Noco chargers seem like a rugged up version of ctek. The main differentiating feature is the ability to also charge lithium batteries which normal bosch and ctek charger have a dedicated lithium charger. All else being quite similar, all have some sort of circuit/overcharging protection and some elemental resistance.

Only some dedicated enthusiast or motorsport application will use lithium batteries. So all 3 brands will work fine with the cars available locally, just choose which one you fancy.
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post Apr 8 2019, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(allenultra @ Apr 7 2019, 12:57 PM)
Just sold a DIN100 agm for Rm800
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DIN100 AGM for RM800??!!

So cheap? What brand?
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post Apr 8 2019, 10:35 PM

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QUOTE(allenultra @ Apr 8 2019, 03:39 PM)
Camel DIN100L AGM - RM800 siap pasang, trade-in, battery registration

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DIN60 AGM jual berapa bos?

QUOTE(IamAHuman @ Apr 8 2019, 03:55 PM)
I wanted to get this as the price is really attractive. However, it's from China and it's still new in the market. Rather spend a bit more to be safe as the battery is the only thing that connects and supplies electricity to the vehicle.

In the end, I got myself a Banner - Running Bull.
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Lead acid battery is not some super high tech precision manufacturing level. Not to say that batteries are easy to manufacture, but the construction and chemistry is pretty similar across brands.

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post Oct 15 2019, 11:18 AM

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QUOTE(edisoner90 @ Oct 15 2019, 09:38 AM)
have u tested the performance of camel battery? china product need QAQC only reliable.
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camel is one of the larger oem suppliers, even those new proton produced geely cars, some are using it. I presume a battery plant in malaysia is in progress, news since mar'19 :
https://www.carsifu.my/news/chinas-camel-gr...oton-a-customer

No harm buying it with the warranty and price. You get 1 segment higher product compared to competition.

QUOTE(edisoner90 @ Oct 15 2019, 09:40 AM)
yea only silver series made from germany.. blue and black dynamic are in korea right?? that why i read elsewhere... usually to reduce the cost competitiveness that why some of the good material are not being use so that it last just 2 years plus to match other major brand.
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even some smaller capacity silver dynamic agm are not longer produced in germany already. Only larger capacity produced from germany, i asked a few varta sellers before regarding this information.

QUOTE(edisoner90 @ Oct 15 2019, 09:57 AM)
Does higher Cold Cranking Amp (CCA) even apply in malaysia as our weather wont even drop less than 20 degree even at night time.
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Yes and no.

The CCA does somewhat indirectly indicate the cranking ability and durability. Hence, higher CCA for the same capacity battery compared to another product, the higher CCA unit may last longer. Not absolute, but likely.

No because, we don't have cold weather as you mentioned. The lubrication system in our cars are always in a fluid state. Maybe those that live in higher mountainous areas may have a little concern on it. I remembered parking my car for 2 nights in genting, car cranked a little longer than usual and took 15 minutes of light driving for the engine cold temp dash light to turn off.
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post Oct 15 2019, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(VeeJay @ Oct 15 2019, 02:02 PM)
I think my passat battery might need a replacement as well probably in 2020. Its been 8 years plus with Varta Ori from germany.
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post Oct 15 2019, 04:51 PM

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QUOTE(VeeJay @ Oct 15 2019, 04:28 PM)
ya...but now the headache starts....cracking my head...which battery to go with. Maybe Varta silver AGM...but its gonna be costly...heard its around rm800-1km....havent really seriously start sourcing.

If any of you  have some info, do share ya  notworthy.gif

btw, Roman Catholic had asked in earlier posting if i do anything different to maintain the battery...hmmm

The only thing different compared to my friends and relatives are...ensure the battery terminal is clean, apply grease at the terminal, check regularly the connector is tight.

I dont start my car immediately after inserting the key, will just leave it at ON position for 30sec or so before starting the car...its just due to electronics and no spike, which in turn "may" help the battery life as well.
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If you're not thinking of keeping the car for long, then amaron hi life pro or camel agm series, a good balance between performance and cost.

But since varta has been so good to your car, just go back to it nod.gif

Maybe you should just get a battery condition reading before you sink in money for a new battery. If still looks quite ok/average (definitely won't remain healthy as so long already) , might as well just keep running it until the battery dies/almost dead tongue.gif

Actually, about 5 seconds is sufficient, usually the airbag indicator dash light is the last to go off, after that can start already. more than that seems like an unnecessary loading on the battery. But who knows, maybe your technique is some unknown secret yet to be discovered!

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post Oct 16 2019, 10:35 AM

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QUOTE(VeeJay @ Oct 15 2019, 08:51 PM)
I did get replace Amaron Hi-Life for my Sorento.....but I think i want CCA around 800...lets see what else I can survey on

This is the model i got for my sorento
https://shopee.com.my/AMARON-HI-LIFE-NS70L-...8188.1118889079
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Your passat uses din70 or din80? CCA of 800 hard to find la....unless varta agm battery again....

European cars usually have higher electrical load requirements, so either get back oem or at least the highest product range (of non agm). Hi life pro is the highest range and not that much more expensive than the hi life series :
https://shopee.com.my/search?keyword=hi%20l...=0&sortBy=price
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post Oct 16 2019, 10:52 AM

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QUOTE(VeeJay @ Oct 15 2019, 04:28 PM)
The only thing different compared to my friends and relatives are...ensure the battery terminal is clean, apply grease at the terminal, check regularly the connector is tight.

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By the way, what grease or paste you used on the terminals? Mine always have a little greenish buildup.
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post Oct 17 2019, 02:37 PM

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Oct 16 2019, 06:21 PM)
It is the time taken when the key is inserted to when the Airbags indicator lights go off, that seems to take forever. 😃

That is for cars with keys but what about those with Push-Start button, the is nothing to follow right for lights to go off ? Tekan terus butang Push-Start button tu.
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Don't tekan brake, just push one or 2 times on the start button (depends on car model). When all dash indicator lights stabalise, press on the brake and press start button again. Car start like normal smile.gif

Even push start button car also need a method to go into accessory mode right even without starting the engine.

QUOTE(speedy3210 @ Oct 16 2019, 10:23 PM)
Actually life shouldn't be that difficult. If hv doubt, then just go for price.

Like the instance below..... the difference in price is worth the risk of getting an "unknown" brand battery. if it konks out, just move on to another available choice. And keep in mind, these are silver alloy SMF batteries, a grade above the usual marathoner, amaron go etc..

https://shopee.com.my/SPECIAL-OFFER-INCI-AK...6527.2894207723
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Just that some people don't like the nuisance/hassle of a sudden breakdown at the most inopportune timing.

Pros and cons, risk sendiri tanggung after weighing it.
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post Oct 18 2019, 07:48 AM

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QUOTE(Ricky300 @ Oct 18 2019, 07:27 AM)
AGM and EFB should be 1 Yr
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AGM can last beyond 1 year la, even EFB more inferior also can last that....

If you're doing precautionary procedure like this all along, either :
1) you're loaded enough to do that, consider changing battery like yearly insurance policy premium
2) you're chose a battery size smaller than required, thereby draining the battery much faster
3) you're car has some phantom load, draining the battery unnecessarily after shutting the car off
4) you're car only go for supermarket drive, per drive timing before turning off within 10 minutes, car haven't fully warmed up already reached destination

So which you belong?
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post Oct 22 2019, 03:54 PM

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QUOTE(jamespaul @ Oct 22 2019, 08:51 AM)

- get a more powerful battery than the OEM spec

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not necessarily...

but larger capacity/upsize, that will help a lot...
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post Nov 4 2019, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Nov 3 2019, 08:38 AM)
Spot on. A battery must run the miles. I was doing Melaka-Muar-Melaka before I achieved 48 months.
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If you run the miles, the benefit is less heat soak.

Another crucial factor to look into was the number of times the engine was started. The greatest load point of the battery anytime.

Actually, quite hard to really find the best way of prolonging battery other than not undersizing the battery used and making sure the alternator is working well.

QUOTE(System Error Message @ Nov 4 2019, 03:10 PM)
you also have to include the price of the battery water too. Putting time aside, include the cost of materials needed for the battery like to fill up/replace fluids and if possible to replace the terminals.
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Battery liquid is cheap la....2 bucks can get you a litre bottle of it....even cheaper if wholesale.
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post Nov 5 2019, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Nov 4 2019, 09:32 PM)
Bro., I dont understand what you meant by less heat soak, please clarify ? Thanks.
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heat stuck in a badly ventilated area....

the situation would be more like you're driving you're car at slow speed/traffic jam, the heat will stuck in the engine bay longer without being ventilated out as when the car is moving at a reasonable speed.
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post Nov 5 2019, 02:59 PM

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QUOTE(System Error Message @ Nov 4 2019, 09:03 PM)
that actually not so much the case. Unless the terminals used have less metal the whole idea is for the battery to be chargeable thousands of times.
The number of times you start/stop the car isnt that much of an issue, its a question of how much time the battery is spent not fully charged. Lead acids like being charged, hate being used like a regular battery. Starting the car isnt the hardest drain on the battery but rather not being fully charged is. When you start the car, the high amps temporarily disrupt the electrolyte and terminals, making the battery appear weaker so it needs longer to properly recharge as it would temporarily appear to have less capacity.

Its not much on how much you start/stop the car, but how much time the battery is further away from full charge. If you remember in the past, cars had much better battery life, because they didnt have any computers in the past so the battery never got drained. You would run into a mechanical issue much more often than a battery issue but nowadays with cars always using power, this is the biggest factor. You cant exactly disconnect the battery everytime and heat isnt the main factor in the lifespan, so thats why battery chargers do extend the life of the battery. A battery charger should last 20 years so even one under rm 400 will save you a significant amount of money (though you would be using power from the wall).

Its sad that we arent seeing supercap + battery commercially as this would mean 5-10 year lifespan for car batteries, but the recycling industry is reliant on this whole cycle of replacing batteries to survive.

to be precise, everytime you start the car, it encourages sulphation to appear due to the high amps making it unbalanced where the electrolyte around the terminals seem to have a lot less charge, hence the point about short trips is that it could take an hour or 2 every time to properly charge the battery as its not just about recharging the battery but to get rid of the sulphation.
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mazda had the supercap concept not too long ago, their ieloop. But then they removed it. And even those models with ieloop supercapacitor, there is still the normal lead acid battery. So it is likely that supercaps can't retain much capacity.

You battery concept may be even heavier/bulkier, and not exactly sure how it will withstand in constant heat and vibration. Lead acid battery has been dominant for practical reason, not some cartel like dealings between lead acid battery manufacturers. Car makes would actually want to rid lead acid batteries very much.

The next best is lithium batteries, much much lighter while being energy dense, just cost prohibitive. Charge retention also not bad, but the usual degradation issue like those on consumer devices, cathode just wears out gradually/eventually.

Sulphation is one thing, but can be reversed as long as not being sulphated beyond a certain point.

But the lead plates will also degrade, this is due to the ion exchanges when electrical charging/discharging. This one cannot be reversed. That's why batteries that last long usually have very high purity/density lead plates. High vibration also detrimental, as certain portion of the semi degraded lead plates will break apart from harsh road surfaces.
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post Nov 6 2019, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(System Error Message @ Nov 5 2019, 05:13 PM)
Actually using NIMH or lithium is a lot lighter. The reason why supercaps they remove supercaps was because it wasnt giving that much benefit not because of the capacity of the supercaps, but because they did not separate the drain circuit from the caps. However even with the caps it could increase the lifespan for lead acid from 2-3 years especially for people who do a lot of short trips but there has to be a resistor to avoid more than a certain amount of current from the battery to actually make the supercaps useful.

So i would say that its not really that the concept wasnt ineffective, the implementation wasnt. In order to use the supercaps you need a resistor to limit the maximum current that can come out from the battery, and you need a separate circuit for charging it (unless the max A allowed out is more than max A in). Lithium would work poorly in malaysia but not NIMH.

There is a cartel like relationship. If you are a point where batteries have a complete cycle from new to recycling to new again fully, then trying to introduce a new battery will be met with resistance.

Supercaps arent there to store power, they are there to provide the amps during high load situations, and the battery is required to provide long term charge. The whole idea of this was to combine something great at CCA, but sucks at storing power, with something that sucks at CCA but is great at storing power. You cant have both in a single charge store, you can either be good at giving amps but suck at storing it, or otherwise. NIMH may not have the capacity per price/weight as lithium does, but it last twice as long and not as vulnerable to the elements as lithium batteries are.
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For cost and practicality reasons, lead acid will lead the way until the death of internal combustion engine.

Foremost, added complexity to the electrical and charging circuit. At least one more ECU to program. Also, becomes another added failure point. Capacitors degrade, but no one really knows how it will degrade in a driving condition. An added components also equal added weight, not something car makes wants in pursuit of efficiency.

And since now going hybrid, no need capacitors, the integrated starter just draw from the battery pack, all circuitry integrated. This is the main reason why no point moving forward with your concept other than DIY hobby project.

Lastly, i think the electrical hazard, capacitors can discharge very high loads in a short notice. For your application, if there happens to be an accident and the EMTs busted the capacitor circuit just to extract the victim, could kill the EMT/victim on the spot.
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post Feb 19 2020, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Feb 15 2020, 04:18 PM)
Can anyone explain this ?

Before a battery replacement was done for a vehicle with a dead battery, it was jump-started and that managed to crank the vehicle up.

So with the vehicle turned on, the jumpers were removed following its proper sequence.

Now when the (-)ve terminal to the dead battery was removed from the dead battery's post, the vehicle immediately stalled.

Whatever ever happened to the saying that the alternator takes over and provides current to the vehicle and the battery plays no further part after that ?

P/S : After a new battery was installed, the starter snd alternator were tested and they were in excellent condition.
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the problem still lies within the battery....

some of the cells went bad, and depending on how the circuitry was done on the car, too much resistance at the battery end/or the circuit broken inside the battery (the one or more cells broke off, thus an incomplete circuit).

QUOTE(VeeJay @ Feb 15 2020, 10:41 PM)
Hence when a car is is slow motion or idle, most of the time, battery is needed unless, you ramp the engine at more than 2000rpm to keep the car alive.

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The alternator helps with the battery charging if above 2000rpm. Below that, charging is almost negligible, but still can power the whole car's electrical demands. The ECU will auto compensate for the added load despite car idling.

If what you say is really so, there will be loads of cars breaking down on rush hour traffic in KL/Klang rush hour period, not to even say the even more insane JB-singapore causeway.

If you don't believe, provided your car doesn't have auto engine cut off timer, try idling your car the whole day. As long as there is fuel, it can still keep on and on. Remember, the CCA rating is rated for 2 hours.

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Feb 19 2020, 12:08 PM)
Bro., I had to remove the dead battery from the MPV, after successfully jump-starting it. The engine kick into life, I unplugged the jumper-cables, then as I begin to lift the (-)ve terminal from the dead battery post's, the engine died. Lesson well learnt and now I no longer use that method that I picked up from the Service Center. 😂
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it all depends on the circuitry of the car make, some can work without battery after starting, some can't due to fail safes or just really need the battery to complete the circuit. The battery serves as a voltage regulator.

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