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post Apr 5 2019, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(SKYjack @ Jan 8 2019, 10:43 AM)
Battery technology has taken a huge leap recently. Many of you experienced batt life of less than 2 years. Well there are new & better batts in the market now. It all how much you want to pay.

New batts are EFB & AGM

AGM is the best and could cost $2k+. These could last 7years or more!
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What is the point if I change battery every 2 years and still save about 1k laugh.gif
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post Apr 5 2019, 02:24 PM

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Car battery will last longer if:
1) The alternator is matching with battery (i.e charge current rate)
2) How much power loss due to car electronics during power off before next start.
3) Operating condition.
4) How long you drive each day (not how far really)

etc..... and of course your luck (unlucky to get slight defect in material and manufacturing)
I also experience the same brand that lasted more than 4 years and the other other one just 2.5 years. MF or wet, same thing based on my experience.
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post Feb 19 2020, 10:35 AM

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QUOTE(lightning69 @ Feb 19 2020, 09:41 AM)
Is it because of maintenance free battery nowadays that have limited lifespan.  Traditional battery requires us top up battery water regularly.  Maintenance free battery failed because the battery water run low and there is no way for us to top it up.  I believe if we buy normal battery prevent the battery water from running out, then the battery will last longer.
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I probably have used maintenance full and maintenance free batteries more than you wink.gif

I'd say both lasted the same in my experience. Maintenance free battery is sealed battery where water should not dry. There is special material they put between plate to prevent battery from producing too much gas. So, the cost of producing MF battery is a bit more.

Now, I use MFree for many years already sing the price difference in not much significant. I guess it depends on how much electronics in your car especially the one operating when engine is off. In my previous Viva and current Axia, sometimes go to 4 years. I'd say 2.5 years is normal for battery, regardless the brand. I used all king of brand and bought whichever on sales.

Surprisingly, the brand that lasted 4 years would also lasted around 2.5 years. dry.gif
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post Feb 19 2020, 12:06 PM

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Feb 19 2020, 11:37 AM)
Although my close friends have done amazingly well with their maintenance-free batteries with my little tiny help, so I seriously can't wait for any of my existing regular flooded battery to fail before I finally switch over to my first maintenance-free battery ever and start pushing it to the maximum limits. All the mumbo-jumbo rubbish about regular flooded battery being superior is pure nonsense and yes, you are right. Surely if I can stack the odds in my favour with the next maintenance-free battery, it better be more than 4 years, otherwise it won't be worth my bloody effort. πŸ˜‚

Besides all my friends they have not reached the 4 year mark yet, as long the tiny help managed to double up their battery lifespan from their existing situation, they are very happy already. Thereafter it's further fine-tuning with them individually if they want to according to their circumstances, to increase further their battery lifespan. 

I would say it is all about proper education or rather how receptive they are. The more receptive they are, the easier would be for them and for me as well. Of course, there are some who are not receptive at all and refuse to believe anything whatsoever. Anyhow special thanks to my not receptive friends juga, if not how others want to make more money of the back of them ! πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚
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Lead acid battery will last longer if you can maintain in fully charged condition all the time. Meaning, if you use your car occasionally, the battery life will get shorter.
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post Oct 8 2020, 03:26 PM

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QUOTE(senscents @ Oct 8 2020, 03:16 PM)
No corrosion under the cover on the positive terminal.

As for the red stain, what do you think? Leakage from the battery casing?
I think the car battery's manufacturer are not doing enough to monitor on stock kept by dealer/distributor/seller.
Do they have the authority over every seller to check on them? I don't think so.

As for warranty, why do we get 1year (for a normal standard battery) as compare to others 11/2 - 2 years or more?
Most battery that i've used will KO ~1 1/2 years, as for others, i can just presume it's almost the same.
I do hope that, if the manufacturer have confidant on their product, why not give a longer warranty. Instead just claiming that their battery will last longer.
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Manufacturer just rely on distributions reports. Too much stock then give promotion. I just buy any that is on sales. My battery usually last no less than 2 years. How I take care? I don't. Getting lazy to check water level so that I moved to MF battery years ago laugh.gif

The reason why many businesses forms associations is because they avoid competing each other. No one will raise warranty to 2 years, otherwise others will be forced to follow laugh.gif

Car warranty from 3 years become 5 years just because one dare to take risk smile.gif
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post Oct 9 2020, 08:23 AM

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Oct 9 2020, 06:52 AM)
That's true. If those electronics had a button to turn it off, that wouldn't be so bad. With a big display touch screen that I refuse to use and can't be turned off, who knows how much power its zapping away in terms of opportunity cost to my battery. The list of electronics that I don't want just keeps getting longer and longer.

The only electronic that I would truly appreciate is an indicator to warn me that the battery has started its degrading process say at 50% SOC and should prepare to change the battery as soon as possible to prevent further damages or losses.

I don't see the logic of having such a feature that informs you immediately that your battery is about to die within the next couple of seconds or minutes. What an useless feature !
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If you don;t know, cars in 70's perhaps have voltmeter to show voltage level, oil pressure gauge, and many other indicator light. Most customers did not know and when they see voltage and oil pressure fluctuate the think something is wrong. This gave bad review on cars.

So, they make more simple with just Engine Light Indicator. If light is on, your just need to go to service center. Nowadays, most indicators are just to show what features are on or off. smile.gif
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post Oct 9 2020, 09:23 AM

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QUOTE(Adrenaline Junkie @ Oct 9 2020, 09:20 AM)
how come you got so many stars leh... sifu ajar sikit how to obtain them bling bling*
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Never think about it

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post Oct 9 2020, 09:25 AM

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QUOTE(Adrenaline Junkie @ Oct 9 2020, 09:18 AM)
But in Malaysia car battery is consider affordable / reasonable ..

Anything under Din66 etc around 350 to 200 consider ok for 2 years lifespan impo.
Actually manufacture can engineer a long lasting battery but it will affect their sales on parts.. hence engineer already design the battery to withstand certain lifespan so they can get the after sales service or continuous business..

It's just another money make the world turn issue as well besides those additional fancy and comfort gadgets acc etc
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True. I think many is just too obsess with battery life. On average probably change about every 2 years while other maintenance is more expensive and need to do in fixed interval laugh.gif
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post Oct 9 2020, 10:40 AM

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Oct 9 2020, 10:33 AM)
Obsessed ? LOL

Bro., surely you would know about the amount of pollution caused due to indiscriminate dumping of sulphuric acid together with the dangerous lead oxide particulates that has been plaguing our nation since 40 years ago.
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If it is not handle properly. Most of the world lead is used for make lead acid battery ... probably around 85%. However, the lead acid battery is 99% recyclable if not mistaken.

The new Lithium ion battery is mostly not even 50%
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post Sep 11 2024, 09:40 AM

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Sep 7 2024, 10:57 PM)
IS IT POSSIBLE TO REMOVE THE NUT & BOLT FROM THE CRV's (-)VE TERMINAL ?

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I tried but to no avail. I was afraid if I force that bugger, it will break. Really KNS this type of terminal design. Without being able to remove the nut and bolt, trying to eliminate the cancerous crap completely is impossible. It's bound to regrow again in no time.

I don't think there is any other way to resolve this issue permanently but to replace it at the Service Center. If there is any other way, please shout out.
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Usually just need to pour hot water to dissolve/remove the salt formed. After that you can spray battery terminal protector which I think is just transparent grease to prevent the white residue from forming again.
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post Sep 11 2024, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Sep 11 2024, 09:42 AM)
I don't use hot water treatment nor allow my customers to use the hot water method.

A client of mine did that, the hot water treatment without my knowledge. Unfortunately for his Cerato the corrosion still continues to form after 6 months. Now he is in trouble cause SC don't have stock for it.
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No need to be very hot but just warm to quick dissolve the build-up. Even tap water will do take longer water flow. The other method is to use baking soda solution to dissolve. Sprite also can. laugh.gif Yes, for best result you still need to remove the terminal. After clean just need to apply grease.

I dunno but this used to happened many years ago but for many batter exchange I had, I've never had this problem. This normally happened due to leakage at the terminal. Most likely due to filling battery water beyond recommended level.
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post Sep 11 2024, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(speedy3210 @ Sep 11 2024, 08:55 AM)
Bought in March 2024 and you want to start refill?

I have been using Century Hybrid LM for 10yrs on 3 cars. They have been quite maintenance free for the 1st 1.5yrs, with absolutely no need for any refill at all.

And 1 peculiar thing about the hybrids that I have used was, they were all overfilled with electrolyte from factory (I am assuming coz I bought them new from shop or door service). In earlier version, can still see electrolyte level but way above MAX level (but below the black, top cover edge). The one bought in end-2020, I can't see or locate the electrolyte level from the front. When open the fill hole covers, then only notice every cell was fill right up to the bottom of the fill hole black plastic.

So fully understand when you share you can't determine the water/electrolyte level from the front. tongue.gif
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Yes, just need to make sure it just touch that black plastic at the bottom. I've never look from outside. Just not that clear. Furthermore, plates have like different compartment. If not you can just have one hole to fill and the water goes to all plates laugh.gif

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post Sep 11 2024, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Sep 11 2024, 10:12 AM)
Corrosion, in my opinion, is mainly due to poor battery design and continued usage of a degrading battery.

My problem with the CRV (-)ve terminal is it's design. It's impossible to clean it thoroughly because the nut cannot be remove from the bolt.

I believe more manufacturers will adopt this type of terminal designs, because they can earn from replacement parts.

I wish l had kept the (-)ve terminal that was heavily corroded, despite cleaning it, corrosion would appear again and finally it had to be replaced by Mitsubishi SC. I took that terminal and soaked it in soda solution to remove the balance of corrosion. Guess what ? It began to disintegrate, piece by piece of whatever that was balance on the (-)ve terminal just fell apart. I should have taken a picture of it.
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Battery is generic, not specific to car brand anyway. Unless all brands have same problem that brand will not sell laugh.gif

Do you use MF or MF (Maintenance Full biggrin.gif ) Been using MF for many years and never see such problem for very long time.
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post Sep 11 2024, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Sep 11 2024, 10:33 AM)
Battery are generic but not their designs. Why would I want a battery that has vents near the terminals ?

Nope I see similar corrosion results across the board especially among owners who thinks they knows best. How come I don't see corrosion among my customers who follows advice when to replace a degrading battery ?
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I donno,. I usually replace battery when it almost failed to crank the engine or even completely dead but have never had corrosion problem. When SC said battery is weak I'd still use it until I can hear weak cranking power hmm.gif
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post Sep 11 2024, 11:18 AM

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Sep 11 2024, 10:52 AM)
Then lucky you.

Are your vehicles less than 5 years old or more than 5 years ?

I have an elderly clients with the latest 3rd Gen Myvi. Despite informing them it's a Replace Battery on my tester and it needs to be changed but they insisted that it still could be used. Their first battery replacement which I did for them, they already wanted to accuse me of damaging their vehicle and luckily that problem magically disappeared. Now they are repeating the same thing again. If this time, other items starts to fail and needs replacing, perhaps then they will listen. Well if the don't, I am sure, they will get the message overtime too or maybe not.

Despite writing a summary to my Regional Sales Manager on their situation which they wanted an explanation for their situation, they still think it's ok to use a degrading battery. If they don't believe what I say, how are they going to believe what my Regional Sales Manager has to say. When their charging system fails, they will be my 3rd customer to suffer electrical failures or charging systems failure not only due to battery but inability to listen.
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I have purchased 5 years old car before and used it for 4 or 5 years. Have had new car that used for more than 10 years. Got new car that used for 5 years, 7 years, etc. All not having battery terminal issue. I only remembered my first car Toyota (used) was having this problem but only one time on one battery but not on replacement battery. That time still using non-MF battery.

As far as I remember, I have never replace battery on SC of any workshop advise. It was always my own judgement when I felt it was weak enough to survive for next 2 or 3 weeks biggrin.gif . The non-MF battery will have vent hole because gas produced during charging need to escape. Normally on cap. The MF battery will have no vent hole. The pressure it adjusted to accommodate the gas build-up in battery and there put special filler plate to prevent excessive gas build-up. So, water lever will remain the same because it is a closed system. Last time price difference more significant but now I just stick to MF because lazy to check water lever like last time. Getting old and lazy laugh.gif

Anyway, I use any battery on sales. No specific brand and they normally lasted at least 2 to even 4 years. Life spans are random. No specific one last longer than the other based on my experience.
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post Sep 11 2024, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Sep 11 2024, 11:39 AM)
Same here. Getting old and lazy too. I will be even lazier with customers who don't listen cause I better spend my time informing other clients who listens, so that they don't make the same mistake.

I already warned my 2nd customer to replace his degrading battery, well he decided to replace it 1 month later. When systems test was done subsequently it hΓ s proven his electrical charging system had sustained some amount of damages and it will be impossible for his 2nd battery to even last as long as the 1st battery now. I think from here onwards he wouldn't dare bargain with me again, unless he willing to keep changing cars every now and then.

No life span are not rΓ ndom. Above client's 1st battery replacement exceeded the stock battery mileage close to 9,500 kms. It's impossible for the 2nd battery to achieve such mileage now since the charging system is affected now.
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What affect charging system? I don't get it. The alternator and battery capacity need to match anyway. Otherwise, battery will not last long. Lead acid battery need to be in full charge condition most of the time to make it last longer. SO, if you rarely drive your other car, the battery probably last one year only. My current Century battery is in 3rd year already.
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post Sep 11 2024, 12:22 PM

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Sep 11 2024, 12:13 PM)
I was thinking about our replies on life span. Yes in your scenario is random and that is correct because you are using different batteries brands. Whereas I just stick 1quality model and since I am getting it directly from my Principal Co factory, the quality is just about consistent. Also I say not random is because the new vehicles charging system is still efficient right out from the factory.

Then you have to start to investigate what makes the charging systems to fail. Why are so many NEW modern vehicles ending up at alternator shops for alternator jobs ? I am still trying to connect the dots on this one especially how to explain to lay person who knows nothing.

Last week my client said his Wira had difficulty in starting. I know very well that his battery was still healthy despite him saying the battery is already old just like everyone else. When tested, his battery proved to be NOT CHARGING properly and his alternator needs to be check or replace. Yesterday he came back and he claimed his alternator had been serviced, with the same shop I had argued with before. He paid Rm180 for the repair job and guess what is the voltage increment ? Kejap .... 0.36V increment and still my tester says it's a problem. LOL
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People like to re-cond this and that to save money but end up wasting more money and time. When part need to be replaced, you just need to replace it. It is not something that you replace yearly. smile.gif Considering years of service vs price, I think replacing with new part worth.
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Oct 4 2024, 08:59 AM)
That's is what I thought too, however after talking to an engineer who specializes in air-conditioning systems for large scale projects, it is proven to be untrue especially the colour silver of the aluminium foil. For my 1st house, the developer did install a layer of so call insulation sheet inside the roof structure, one sideways like silver aluminium that faced the roof tiles while the other brown paper faced towards the house. I swear that thing is completely useless.

The idea is correct to insulate the battery from heat, however we are incorrect about understanding about heat transfer.
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Why you said is useless. The developer would have save a lot of money not to put it there in side the roof. What you think about the car tint being darker reject more heat when dark color absorb heat? smile.gif

The reason the silver side is facing roof is that the silver act like mirror to reflect infrared light radiated by the roof. Yes the roof tile got heated up by the sun and then radiate infrared light which translate as heat. The thermos flask also is silver colored on the inside to keep heat longer.
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Oct 7 2024, 10:52 AM)
Firstly the brown paper whatever disintegrated around 7~8 years and most importantly it didn't even reduce the heat signature going into the house. If it didn't was marginal or insignificant. Even with the aircond running, the cold air was fighting the heat that was being released into the house. Electricity bill was through the roof. That was a really stupid investment. Actually there are superior insulation materials which could be adopted than the stupid brown paper thingy.

It's not how dark the car tint is, it's how much UV protection the tint offers which cuts the heat but that is expensive. Likewise it is the same with insulation materials for the roof, the ultimate product would be Rockwool instead of the nonsense brown paper that probably cheap as shit. The best part is Rockwool is produced locally and exported the world over, takkan the developer dunno this ?
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It works but certain degree and even used in the US as cheaper choice, but I'd say the contractors do poor job and the sheet are not applied loosely by not forming a layer of barrier to the whole roof. So, it is basically useless. The workers don't understand because the developers are also dumb laugh.gif Rockwool is expensive. It is cheaper to just put roof ventilator fan. to remove trapped hot air above ceiling.

It is the IR light, not the UV, that transfer heat into car. The dark tint block visible light through glass which also ends up heat any surface inside car.

I think car comes with cardboard sleeve surround the battery nowadays, with foam as inner lining. Even my MyVi also has it. However, when change battery which is slightly different from original, you may have to remove it because it won't fit. Still I get my battery lasted more than 2 years which I think is good enough. Say the battery costs RM400. If it can last 2 years, then it is only about RM16 per month.
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Oct 28 2024, 11:18 PM)
Yes that is Ooisay SOP before delivery to end user.

Currently what I am seeing is new stocks Varta AGM batteries is just the battery alone. Not even a box to contain it, unlike dry batteries. Varta dry batteries also come in boxes correct ? Varta produces batteries for Mercedes Benz too and when I was at MB SC, the MB Varta AGM battery also came without boxes etc.

If AGM don't have boxes, then how are they transported from Germany to here ? Takkan the Germans so free to punggah piece by piece battery masuk container
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Probably bulk shipping just on pallet wrapped either with double corrugated cardboard or plywood. Just like CPU sent to distributors and then resellers, no individual box. Individual boxes (or I'd say gift boxes) are meant for end consumers only.

Wholesale dealers sell to authorized SC probably without box. You only know your battery got replaced after service biggrin.gif

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