NETWORK ATTACHED STORAGE (NAS) V2
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 Aug 21 2013, 07:57 PM, updated 11y ago
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NETWORK ATTACHED STORAGE (NAS) Continue from V1 since its closed Current brands out in the market: Qnap Synology Netgear LaCie Seagate Western Digital Buffalo Thecus Iomega HP Levono Dlink ..... This post has been edited by quadcube: Aug 21 2013, 08:08 PM |
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Aug 21 2013, 10:43 PM
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QUOTE(simonyee @ Aug 21 2013, 09:48 AM) Promise is the best now. Promise? What brand is that?Promise makes the best scsi card and been around the market for ages. NAS is new but they are good for it Thecus and synology hardware development is good but the software is not, it can work when you have properly written firmware. |
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Aug 22 2013, 03:44 PM
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QUOTE(shadowblack @ Aug 21 2013, 10:43 PM) Promise? What brand is that? http://www.promise.com/default.aspx?region=en-global&m=72 apple store have their NAS(smartstor),super expensive  This post has been edited by quadcube: Aug 26 2013, 02:53 PM |
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Aug 24 2013, 01:54 PM
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Hi Bro,
I am using DLink 320L and wants to stream video to my Sharp Aquos The TV managed to discover the D Link but cannot even view the files inside..don`t talk about opening it. I know there are complex solution like Fun-plug and linus skill is needed. I wonder if there is any easier solution or fix within the Dlink 320L? Or is it true that Dlink 320L is incapable top stream video to TV?? Kindly share.Thanks |
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Aug 26 2013, 02:32 PM
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QUOTE(ozone9 @ Aug 24 2013, 01:54 PM) Hi Bro, Another useless company same like Aztech.I am using DLink 320L and wants to stream video to my Sharp Aquos The TV managed to discover the D Link but cannot even view the files inside..don`t talk about opening it. I know there are complex solution like Fun-plug and linus skill is needed. I wonder if there is any easier solution or fix within the Dlink 320L? Or is it true that Dlink 320L is incapable top stream video to TV?? Kindly share.Thanks come on you should know about video encoder and decoder. if you D/L the right file format it can work but you have to know which one that is compatible. If cannot play then use the software to convert to the format the NAS can read. haiya so simple. For goodness sake, stick your money on good brands that works like Asus, promise. Other brands forget about them, not only they don't work properly they cause more problems than you can affort to tackle. Cheap brand is no play brand This post has been edited by simonyee: Aug 26 2013, 02:38 PM |
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Aug 26 2013, 02:48 PM
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QUOTE(quadcube @ Aug 22 2013, 03:44 PM) http://www.promise.com/default.aspx?region=en-global&m=72 Just for clarification, the Pegasus R4 or R6 on Thunderbolt is a DAS and not a NAS.apple store have their NAS(pegasus),super expensive But of course they also have NAS called SmartStor. |
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Aug 26 2013, 02:53 PM
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Aug 26 2013, 02:48 PM) Just for clarification, the Pegasus R4 or R6 on Thunderbolt is a DAS and not a NAS. ops,my bad But of course they also have NAS called SmartStor.  thanks for the clarification  |
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Aug 26 2013, 03:18 PM
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QUOTE(ozone9 @ Aug 24 2013, 01:54 PM) Hi Bro, I've no experience using the DLink as a DLNA. Do you have the latest firmware? Usually the commercial type lower end NAS are not able to decode and stream videos reliably due to lack of internal CPU power. If they are able to, somehow something is compromised.I am using DLink 320L and wants to stream video to my Sharp Aquos The TV managed to discover the D Link but cannot even view the files inside..don`t talk about opening it. I know there are complex solution like Fun-plug and linus skill is needed. I wonder if there is any easier solution or fix within the Dlink 320L? Or is it true that Dlink 320L is incapable top stream video to TV?? Kindly share.Thanks Solution? Get a capable network type media player or a HTPC to playback the file that is located in the DLink 320L NAS. The DLink as a storage and the media player or HTPC does the playback decoding. Preferably wired network and not wireless. |
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Aug 31 2013, 11:07 AM
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hi guys. i have a pretty general question on NAS.
NAS basically comes with one or two USB ports. im wondering if these ports are specific for printserver only (because most actually markets the USB for such)? i have a not-so-smart sony LCD TV and i depend on my portable HDD connected via USB to watch movies etc. do NAS' USB ports function the same? or do i have to get a smart tv so i could access them via network? at the moment i'm looking at entry level, home use NAS, particularly the D-Link DNS320. |
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Aug 31 2013, 11:51 AM
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another question, do i need to format the HDDs? i already have a 1TB drive full of stuffs.
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Aug 31 2013, 12:38 PM
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 31 2013, 11:07 AM) hi guys. i have a pretty general question on NAS. Depend what NAS. The USB port can use for printer, ext hdd, ups, speaker and webcam.NAS basically comes with one or two USB ports. im wondering if these ports are specific for printserver only (because most actually markets the USB for such)? i have a not-so-smart sony LCD TV and i depend on my portable HDD connected via USB to watch movies etc. do NAS' USB ports function the same? or do i have to get a smart tv so i could access them via network? at the moment i'm looking at entry level, home use NAS, particularly the D-Link DNS320. |
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Aug 31 2013, 12:40 PM
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I just bought QNAP TS220 and have few basic questions (I have searched the forum earlier. I am not PC savvy)). My main PC is win 7, plus one in Win 8 and another one with XP, and a smart TV. I am running the latest 4.xx firmware version and the NAS is connected to Linksys X2000.
My very basic questions are: 1. Does the NAS needs to be power on 24/7? 2. How do I know if the NAS is running a realtime behind-the-scene back-up? I have been searching for this but failed to find any related info. My main objective is automatic always-on back-up. 3. What is the best way to import folders from the PC to the NAS ( I tried copy the entire folder, and used the USB one touch but end up at 'jalan mati')? 4. How to set-up the security? I read that the security can be based on IP address but I am not sure how this may affect mobile/internet computing. I know nut about NAS and so far running tons of problem in configuration of it. I have not found a model specific or instructions that are precise for dummy like me. Any references are very appreciated Sorry for asking so many questions. |
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Aug 31 2013, 06:44 PM
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QUOTE(Halia @ Aug 31 2013, 12:40 PM) I just bought QNAP TS220 and have few basic questions (I have searched the forum earlier. I am not PC savvy)). My main PC is win 7, plus one in Win 8 and another one with XP, and a smart TV. I am running the latest 4.xx firmware version and the NAS is connected to Linksys X2000. How you buy a NAS if you don't do research first?My very basic questions are: 1. Does the NAS needs to be power on 24/7? 2. How do I know if the NAS is running a realtime behind-the-scene back-up? I have been searching for this but failed to find any related info. My main objective is automatic always-on back-up. 3. What is the best way to import folders from the PC to the NAS ( I tried copy the entire folder, and used the USB one touch but end up at 'jalan mati')? 4. How to set-up the security? I read that the security can be based on IP address but I am not sure how this may affect mobile/internet computing. I know nut about NAS and so far running tons of problem in configuration of it. I have not found a model specific or instructions that are precise for dummy like me. Any references are very appreciated Sorry for asking so many questions. 1)NAS built to run 24/7. 2)You can check the backup data in the NAS. Is it same as your latest data in the PC. When it fail to backup, it will send a massage to you. 3) map the nas folder. Drag n drop. I base on general NAS infor. Cause I don't have QNAP TS220. |
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Sep 3 2013, 10:42 PM
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thinking of buying wd mybook live 2TB..price is quite ok..my budget is around 500++..i know live duo is better but the price is too high 1k.
any opinion? |
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Sep 4 2013, 10:57 AM
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just grab dlink dns320l during it fair for rm199. now hunting for wd red but most shop i went don't have it. if i buy 2x2tb, it'll become only 2tb for use and 2tb for raid correct? or i'm wrong?
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Sep 4 2013, 01:37 PM
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QUOTE(aerozs @ Sep 4 2013, 10:57 AM) just grab dlink dns320l during it fair for rm199. now hunting for wd red but most shop i went don't have it. if i buy 2x2tb, it'll become only 2tb for use and 2tb for raid correct? or i'm wrong? ya, if you running raid 1 configuration. |
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Sep 4 2013, 02:16 PM
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QUOTE(pap55 @ Sep 4 2013, 01:37 PM) ya, if you running raid 1 configuration. Thanks. So if i use raid 0, it'll become 4tb. Can i just simply switch between raid 0 and 1 or i need to reset/format HD first? |
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Sep 4 2013, 03:39 PM
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QUOTE(aerozs @ Sep 4 2013, 02:16 PM) Thanks. So if i use raid 0, it'll become 4tb. Can i just simply switch between raid 0 and 1 or i need to reset/format HD first? You need to understand the function of RAID.RAID0 means no redundancy, it's striped for only 1 purpose: speed, either 1 HDD spoilt and you lose all data. RAID1 is mirroring, means every HDD is a direct mirror of the 1st HDD. I believe there's another configuration called JBOD which set all HDD as 1 volume so you use it like 1 HDD, you lost data of the HDD that spoilt though I'm not too sure if function like RAID0. Google is your friend. |
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Sep 4 2013, 03:41 PM
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Synology DS411j user reporting in!
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Sep 4 2013, 04:31 PM
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still on the painful process of trial and error on my QNAP TS220. The 'technical service' by the distributor is not that helpful thought friendly. Pls allow me to shot some basic questions.
1) In order to have remote access (access PC data from out-of-home), I need a DDNS account - Yes/No? If yes, I need to pay for DDNS service thought there may still be some that are free - Yes/No, care to explain further? 2) I have multiple pc, what is the best way to back-up to NAS? I am using the NetBak Replicator but it takes 'days'. 3) For multiple Pc back-up, do I need to create a different back-up folders in the NAS. Thanks thanks thanks |
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Sep 4 2013, 05:05 PM
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QUOTE(Halia @ Sep 4 2013, 04:31 PM) still on the painful process of trial and error on my QNAP TS220. The 'technical service' by the distributor is not that helpful thought friendly. Pls allow me to shot some basic questions. 1) Yes, DDNS is needed if you're having dynamic IP.1) In order to have remote access (access PC data from out-of-home), I need a DDNS account - Yes/No? If yes, I need to pay for DDNS service thought there may still be some that are free - Yes/No, care to explain further? 2) I have multiple pc, what is the best way to back-up to NAS? I am using the NetBak Replicator but it takes 'days'. 3) For multiple Pc back-up, do I need to create a different back-up folders in the NAS. Thanks thanks thanks No, you won't need to pay for free account but some restriction apply. a) You will receive account re-activation every month if inactive or IP never change. b) Not able to use paid domain means you get stuck with limited amount of choice of domain. I personally use No-IP 2) What's your network speed? It affects how fast can you backup your data to your NAS, preferred gigabit network capable hardware. You can always use something like Cobian Backup of which can schedule your backup, and perform sleep, shut-down your PC when it's done. Or if your data is used daily and only needs single backup copy, you can always opt for incremental/differential backup for quick backup of your updated data only so you won't waste time updating every single data in the PC. 3) Different folder for best organization, so you know which backup belong to which PC, etc. This post has been edited by wildwestgoh: Sep 4 2013, 05:06 PM |
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Sep 4 2013, 11:39 PM
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QUOTE(aerozs @ Sep 4 2013, 02:16 PM) Thanks. So if i use raid 0, it'll become 4tb. Can i just simply switch between raid 0 and 1 or i need to reset/format HD first? Yes, 2 x 2TB = 4TB in RAID 0.2 x 2TB = 2TB in RAID 1. No, you cannot just switch to RAID 1 or RAID 0 like a flip switch. You loose all data when you switch to either RAID format. Therefore once you have decided on which RAID to go with, you need to stick with it. If not, it'll be a painful process of transferring / backing up files. That said, you can use RAID 0 provided you understand the consequences. |
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Sep 5 2013, 08:22 PM
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Aug 31 2013, 11:51 AM) another question, do i need to format the HDDs? i already have a 1TB drive full of stuffs. Why format? quadcube  QUOTE(hazremi @ Sep 3 2013, 10:42 PM) thinking of buying wd mybook live 2TB..price is quite ok..my budget is around 500++..i know live duo is better but the price is too high 1k. I bought mybooklive 2tb for only 350 bucks any opinion? |
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Sep 5 2013, 09:37 PM
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QUOTE(quadcube @ Sep 5 2013, 12:22 PM) Why format? i dunno. bcoz some friends who bought NAS (not sure what model) had to format the drive because it has its own "file system". I bought mybooklive 2tb for only 350 bucks |
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Sep 5 2013, 10:58 PM
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Sep 5 2013, 09:37 PM) i dunno. bcoz some friends who bought NAS (not sure what model) had to format the drive because it has its own "file system". NAS like mybooklive comes in both Mac,Linux n window usable,so those type does not need any headache..u only need other file system when your OS can't read the NAS data natively |
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Sep 6 2013, 12:37 AM
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QUOTE(quadcube @ Sep 5 2013, 08:22 PM) Why format? i bought mybooklive 2tb yesterday at jayacom for rm429..very happy with the nas I bought mybooklive 2tb for only 350 bucks |
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Sep 6 2013, 08:04 AM
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QUOTE(hazremi @ Sep 6 2013, 12:37 AM) i bought mybooklive 2tb yesterday at jayacom for rm429..very happy with the nas Yes,the NAS is very straight forward,no brainier |
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Sep 6 2013, 10:50 AM
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Sep 5 2013, 09:37 PM) i dunno. bcoz some friends who bought NAS (not sure what model) had to format the drive because it has its own "file system". for my QNAP TS212 need to format the hard drive first in order to use. |
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Sep 6 2013, 04:18 PM
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ok for my earlier question:
can i use NAS' USB to connect directly to a device like LCD TV? i mean just like USB drive or those portable harddisks, where u hook them up and the TV will be able to read and play movie files. |
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Sep 6 2013, 05:47 PM
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Sep 6 2013, 04:18 PM) ok for my earlier question: correct me if i'm wrong, but i think the function of the usb port on the NAS is meant for you to copy to/from other usb storage devices.can i use NAS' USB to connect directly to a device like LCD TV? i mean just like USB drive or those portable harddisks, where u hook them up and the TV will be able to read and play movie files. IF your tv got LAN port, then you can do it, or buy a cheap tv box also can. |
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Sep 6 2013, 05:52 PM
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QUOTE(ander7724 @ Sep 6 2013, 09:47 AM) correct me if i'm wrong, but i think the function of the usb port on the NAS is meant for you to copy to/from other usb storage devices. u made me google tv box IF your tv got LAN port, then you can do it, or buy a cheap tv box also can.  .they seem to be priced around RM300++ though. not exactly a cheap solution for me, since i'm looking to buy NAS to solve storage accessibility problems. adding another RM300++ is gonna set me back really bad. |
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Sep 6 2013, 06:09 PM
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Sep 6 2013, 05:52 PM) u made me google tv box yup, for RM300 can get another WD Red 2 tb to plug into the NAS .they seem to be priced around RM300++ though. not exactly a cheap solution for me, since i'm looking to buy NAS to solve storage accessibility problems. adding another RM300++ is gonna set me back really bad.  but you still can have plenty of choices with price cheaper than rm300 in the 'Home Electronics & Homewares' section. |
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Sep 6 2013, 07:07 PM
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QUOTE(ander7724 @ Sep 6 2013, 10:09 AM) yup, for RM300 can get another WD Red 2 tb to plug into the NAS Ok thanks!but you still can have plenty of choices with price cheaper than rm300 in the 'Home Electronics & Homewares' section. |
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Sep 8 2013, 03:38 PM
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Sep 6 2013, 04:18 PM) ok for my earlier question: your NAS is connected to your router thru an ethernet cable right? so now, just connect another ethernet port from your router to your TV. and use DLNA to play movie files can i use NAS' USB to connect directly to a device like LCD TV? i mean just like USB drive or those portable harddisks, where u hook them up and the TV will be able to read and play movie files.  |
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Sep 8 2013, 08:52 PM
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QUOTE(arslow @ Sep 8 2013, 07:38 AM) your NAS is connected to your router thru an ethernet cable right? so now, just connect another ethernet port from your router to your TV. and use DLNA to play movie files im talking about the not-so-smart LCD tv. it only has HDMI and USB ports (apart from other analog ports). |
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Sep 8 2013, 09:15 PM
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I've been thinking of buying one cheap NAS for my office shared for about 30 staffs perhaps DLink or Promise or something less than RM1000. It's just for file sharing and storage.
Can I just buy and then plug it to the office router/switch and ready to be used?  |
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Sep 11 2013, 03:27 PM
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QUOTE(rmy @ Sep 8 2013, 09:15 PM) I've been thinking of buying one cheap NAS for my office shared for about 30 staffs perhaps DLink or Promise or something less than RM1000. It's just for file sharing and storage. for ready solution like WD,seagate...etc,just plug into router n go.no idea with Promise..btw,for 30 ppl to share the same network to access the drive,u better wire them up using gigabit network,better avoid wifi.the previous company i worked in,local area server just for file purpose,3 person connected and pulling file from the drive is already capable of crippling the whole wifi to a haltCan I just buy and then plug it to the office router/switch and ready to be used? |
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Sep 12 2013, 04:54 PM
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QUOTE(rmy @ Sep 8 2013, 09:15 PM) I've been thinking of buying one cheap NAS for my office shared for about 30 staffs perhaps DLink or Promise or something less than RM1000. It's just for file sharing and storage. You need to take into account what kind of workload you intend to hammer on the NAS. If 3 people are downloading/uploading 1 GB each, that could max out the HDD read/write capacity, regardless of how fast a network you have.Can I just buy and then plug it to the office router/switch and ready to be used? |
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Sep 12 2013, 04:57 PM
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Sep 8 2013, 08:52 PM) im talking about the not-so-smart LCD tv. it only has HDMI and USB ports (apart from other analog ports). Does your not-so-smart tv have a built in video player? E.g. when you plug in external hdds or usb drives, you can browse the drives and play videos directlyIf yes, then it will probably work. Just try and plug it in and see if it works. |
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Sep 12 2013, 05:11 PM
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QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ Sep 12 2013, 08:57 AM) Does your not-so-smart tv have a built in video player? E.g. when you plug in external hdds or usb drives, you can browse the drives and play videos directly yes it does work with USB or external HDDs. i havent bought the NAS, because to me, apart from the other characteristics, the ability to run movie files via USB is a dealbreaker. im still trying to convince my friend to buy one, so i can try hehe.If yes, then it will probably work. Just try and plug it in and see if it works. |
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Sep 15 2013, 09:42 AM
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oh damn
 my WD NAS now vibrates when in operation...HDD working fine,just some random slow respond. |
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Sep 16 2013, 12:23 PM
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Hi guys,
I'm thinking of getting a Buffalo LinkStation Pro for home use. It says on the website that it offers simple network storage and backup for all PC and Mac. Does that mean there will not be any problem for me to upload files to the NAS using a Mac OS and then download them on a Win OS right? What about Ubuntu? |
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Sep 16 2013, 03:04 PM
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QUOTE(teng_08 @ Sep 16 2013, 12:23 PM) Hi guys, probably no problem,using WD mybooklive,doesn't give me any problem on software related..should be no prob,if there's anything,just manually mount the driveI'm thinking of getting a Buffalo LinkStation Pro for home use. It says on the website that it offers simple network storage and backup for all PC and Mac. Does that mean there will not be any problem for me to upload files to the NAS using a Mac OS and then download them on a Win OS right? What about Ubuntu? |
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Sep 16 2013, 05:27 PM
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QUOTE(quadcube @ Sep 16 2013, 03:04 PM) probably no problem,using WD mybooklive,doesn't give me any problem on software related..should be no prob,if there's anything,just manually mount the drive good to know. thanks for the info.how's your mybooklive so far? happy with the performance? i've had bad experience using WD drives so i'm a bit skeptical about getting a WD mybooklive... WaNaWe900 liked this post
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Sep 16 2013, 06:20 PM
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QUOTE(teng_08 @ Sep 16 2013, 05:27 PM) good to know. thanks for the info. software is good,but i believe my drive is gonna fail me soon,haha! its vibrating while in operation,i think too much transportation knock because i just moved from KL to KK for university,must had bang it a lot even it was wrapped in a thick pillow.haven tested it gigabit capability,but 100mb line can get max theoretical speed how's your mybooklive so far? happy with the performance? i've had bad experience using WD drives so i'm a bit skeptical about getting a WD mybooklive...  in the end,software is quite neat,just plug n play,cloud capability is easy to set up,no brainer..but as u mentioned,HDD sucks  |
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Sep 25 2013, 08:20 PM
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sifus pls help me. im in the brink of storage catastrophe i need mooooore spaceeeee
The thing is the more i read the more confused i get. Even this comprehensive write up are being disputed by readers in comment section. http://thewirecutter.com/reviews/a-beginne...vanced-storage/ I have a desktop (hackintosh) just dual core CPU with 2GB ram and 4 Hard disks inside share media with my macbook, iphone, appletv The stupid desktop is less than RM1000 and it's good as a Thunderbolt DAS and Synology NAS because all the 4 hDDs are internal and the computer is network connected. My question is why the hell all these so called premium storage cant be DAS and NAS at the same time just like my desktop hackintosh? Or is there any? I need to buy the lowest storage IMac soon, i need a fast DAS thunderbolt if possible to do video & photo editing and music mixing with the IMac directly to the DAS. This DAS must also work like a NAS when i off the iMac. It must be able record IP Surveillance Cam, running torrent, and share any format files/media/music via the home network/cloud/internet when im outside the house. I prefer expandable system to at least 20TB. Ill decide on which suitable RAID to setup for protecting the content without sacrificing speed. anything like that? |
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Sep 26 2013, 04:18 PM
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Ok since nobody answer, i did some digging and i think i found feasible solution for DAS + NAS
No need to buy iMac but buy these instead :- For 300MBps Transfer (USB3.0 & eSata)  or  and stack it with like these with the computer underneath or vice versa  or  or expand more and more storage  or  For 480MBps Transfer (thunderbolt) Can buy this and stack it to the computer   or more  Arent they all matched and cute? » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Whaddaya think? |
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Sep 27 2013, 02:01 AM
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QUOTE(chokia @ Sep 26 2013, 04:18 PM) Whaddaya think? I'm going to guess that it will be expensive. |
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Sep 29 2013, 12:37 PM
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Sep 27 2013, 02:01 AM) I'm going to guess that it will be expensive. Yeah after few hours searching ebay, i found out the cheapest 20TB setup is from Lacie Big5http://www.ebay.com.my/itm/LaCie-5big-NAS-...#ht_8346wt_1157  That old lacie MacMini companion is so cute but they dont make that already |
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I think missed out WD, and so regret to find out that both models (Live & thunderbolt) are so expensive to set up 20TB system
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Oct 4 2013, 06:43 PM
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Anyone knows where can I get HP Proliant Microserver N40L in KL?
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Oct 4 2013, 09:57 PM
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QUOTE(wdarke @ Oct 4 2013, 06:43 PM) Anyone knows where can I get HP Proliant Microserver N40L in KL? try lowyat.. |
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Oct 7 2013, 01:07 PM
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QUOTE(wdarke @ Oct 4 2013, 06:43 PM) Anyone knows where can I get HP Proliant Microserver N40L in KL? What spec you look for??You may call me for discuss.. |
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Oct 9 2013, 10:51 AM
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QUOTE(chokia @ Sep 29 2013, 12:37 PM) Yeah after few hours searching ebay, i found out the cheapest 20TB setup is from Lacie Big5 Seriously consider Synology, it is a great product and the OS is very mature. DS1512+ has expansion capabilities.http://www.ebay.com.my/itm/LaCie-5big-NAS-...#ht_8346wt_1157 That old lacie MacMini companion is so cute but they dont make that already |
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Oct 9 2013, 03:09 PM
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QUOTE(mintgadget @ Oct 9 2013, 10:51 AM) Seriously consider Synology, it is a great product and the OS is very mature. DS1512+ has expansion capabilities. Except its not as fast as thunderboltIm waiting for Thunderbolt II Drobo. The reason why im leaning towards DAS instead of NAS cause of the thunderbolt speed. The current one already faster than the internal drive. Thunderbolt version II will be 20GBps in both direction. Thats like transfering the whole volume in one unit (4TB x 5 bay) in just one second and vice versa Ill be using the same computer for torrent and file sharing and do work. Most of these DAS has two thunderbolt ports for daisy-link to at least 5 more units. That will be 100TB and with BeyondRaid you can atleast get 90% of space with Raid protection. And with the said computer linked to network, it'll be the NAS.  This post has been edited by chokia: Oct 9 2013, 03:16 PM |
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Oct 10 2013, 06:24 AM
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QUOTE(chokia @ Oct 9 2013, 03:09 PM) Except its not as fast as thunderbolt To be honest if you are looking for speed I totally agree DAS with Thunderbolt is the way to go. However you will only see the benefit if you copy out the files for "friends" provided they are on thunderbolt too. Torrents are no faster as you would probably know. On the other hand the NAS OS has so much more potential. You have to try it out to see the benefits beside just speed. The new boxes come with 4 lan ports which support LAG and theoretically can peak at 350MB/s read. But like you I too cant wait to try out TB2.Im waiting for Thunderbolt II Drobo. The reason why im leaning towards DAS instead of NAS cause of the thunderbolt speed. The current one already faster than the internal drive. Thunderbolt version II will be 20GBps in both direction. Thats like transfering the whole volume in one unit (4TB x 5 bay) in just one second and vice versa Ill be using the same computer for torrent and file sharing and do work. Most of these DAS has two thunderbolt ports for daisy-link to at least 5 more units. That will be 100TB and with BeyondRaid you can atleast get 90% of space with Raid protection. And with the said computer linked to network, it'll be the NAS. This post has been edited by mintgadget: Oct 10 2013, 06:26 AM |
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Oct 10 2013, 03:23 PM
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What's the point of all that interface speed if your hdd can't even keep up with the speed?
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Oct 11 2013, 12:37 PM
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QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ Oct 10 2013, 03:23 PM) What's the point of all that interface speed if your hdd can't even keep up with the speed? siok sendiri? but then for future expansion maybe |
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Oct 11 2013, 04:19 PM
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ok need help from NAS sifus here.
i bought and setup probably one of the cheapest entry level NAS in the market: D-Link ShareCenter DNS-320L. it works fine with my laptop and PC. i could stream movies from the NAS no problem. but i cant seem to stream avi via android. i. is the limitation of D-Link's NAS android interface? is there a way around this? ii. does it have the same problem with iOS? iii. does other models/brands have the same problem? everything else works exactly as i expected it would except for the avi streaming. /in b4 "tu laa aku dah cakap beli synology aje..." |
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Oct 11 2013, 04:39 PM
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Oct 11 2013, 04:19 PM) ok need help from NAS sifus here. When you say you stream via android, what do you mean? Can give more details?i bought and setup probably one of the cheapest entry level NAS in the market: D-Link ShareCenter DNS-320L. it works fine with my laptop and PC. i could stream movies from the NAS no problem. but i cant seem to stream avi via android. i. is the limitation of D-Link's NAS android interface? is there a way around this? ii. does it have the same problem with iOS? iii. does other models/brands have the same problem? everything else works exactly as i expected it would except for the avi streaming. /in b4 "tu laa aku dah cakap beli synology aje..." Is it through a proprietary android app by dlink? This post has been edited by +Newbie+: Oct 11 2013, 04:39 PM |
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Oct 11 2013, 04:43 PM
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QUOTE(chokia @ Oct 9 2013, 03:09 PM) Im waiting for Thunderbolt II Drobo. The reason why im leaning towards DAS instead of NAS cause of the thunderbolt speed. The current one already faster than the internal drive. Thunderbolt version II will be 20GBps in both direction. Thats like transfering the whole volume in one unit (4TB x 5 bay) in just one second and vice versa For the first part, you sound like you know what you want and talk about. Yes, Thunderbolt is fast but are you sure you can transfer 20TB in one second with Thunderbolt? QUOTE(mintgadget @ Oct 10 2013, 06:24 AM) To be honest if you are looking for speed I totally agree DAS with Thunderbolt is the way to go. However you will only see the benefit if you copy out the files for "friends" provided they are on thunderbolt too. Torrents are no faster as you would probably know. On the other hand the NAS OS has so much more potential. You have to try it out to see the benefits beside just speed. The new boxes come with 4 lan ports which support LAG and theoretically can peak at 350MB/s read. But like you I too cant wait to try out TB2. I wish LAG was simple and works in a straight forward fashion. 4 LAN port with teaming will only reach a peak like 350MB/s if you have 4 PCs equipped with 1 Gigabit NIC accessing the NAS simultaneously. Or 2 PCs with dual NICs each in teaming mode accessing the NAS simultaneously. Hope you get the picture. Oh, this assuming you have LAG enabled switch too.1 PC with 4 NICs in teaming mode accessing the NAS with 4 ports in teaming mode will still give you 125MB/s traffic unfortunately. At the moment, the only one with 4 port GBit NAS is the Synology DS1513+. If you want more bandwidth point to point, you need to go to 10GBe. That would be super expensive finding 10GBe switch and NICs and NAS with 10GBe connections. QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ Oct 10 2013, 03:23 PM) What's the point of all that interface speed if your hdd can't even keep up with the speed? Yes, that argument used to be valid but not anymore with the advent of SSD equipped systems.QUOTE(azarimy @ Oct 11 2013, 04:19 PM) ok need help from NAS sifus here. How are you playing the AVIs from your laptop and PC? Browse and double click on the AVI file on the DLink via Explorer?i bought and setup probably one of the cheapest entry level NAS in the market: D-Link ShareCenter DNS-320L. it works fine with my laptop and PC. i could stream movies from the NAS no problem. but i cant seem to stream avi via android. i. is the limitation of D-Link's NAS android interface? is there a way around this? ii. does it have the same problem with iOS? iii. does other models/brands have the same problem? everything else works exactly as i expected it would except for the avi streaming. /in b4 "tu laa aku dah cakap beli synology aje..." What about on your Android? |
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Oct 11 2013, 04:57 PM
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Oct 11 2013, 08:43 AM) How are you playing the AVIs from your laptop and PC? Browse and double click on the AVI file on the DLink via Explorer? What about on your Android? android = using an app called mydlink Access-NAS. it basically allows me to browse the content of the NAS. opens images and music files no problem. i read online that it also plays mkv file, but no support on avi. any idea how to get around this apart from dloading the avi to my device to play it? |
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Oct 11 2013, 05:42 PM
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Oct 11 2013, 04:43 PM) Yes, that argument used to be valid but not anymore with the advent of SSD equipped systems. Notice I mentioned the word HDD, bro. And based on what he was posting previously and the fact that he was talking about the typical NAS/DAS use case with 100TB being quoted, I think he was talking about HDDs as well. Also, even SSDs can't read, let alone write, at the quoted thunderbolt speed of 20Gbps. Hence my earlier statement is still true. Anyways, I'm not really sure SSDs make sense from a NAS/DAS perspective. Does anyone even sell SSD NAS? Or DAS for that matter? Wouldn't that cost an arm and a leg? And all for what? To just store data? I highly doubt with the current price per GB that SSDs would be competitive in a NAS/DAS use case scenario except for extreme circumstances which are atypical of the average home or office user. And we haven't even gotten into the supporting hardware that would be needed. For example, how many people even have Gb LAN in the first place? Or thunderbolt/USB3.0? |
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Oct 11 2013, 05:45 PM
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Oct 11 2013, 04:57 PM) PC/laptop = using explorer, then double click AVIs or whatever file format. plays on my default media player (VLC). Try to use your android file explorer (if you don't have one, get it) and browse over network to the d-link ip address and see if you can browse the folders inside like you would over windows. (if it works on windows, it should work on android as well).android = using an app called mydlink Access-NAS. it basically allows me to browse the content of the NAS. opens images and music files no problem. i read online that it also plays mkv file, but no support on avi. any idea how to get around this apart from dloading the avi to my device to play it? Play it from there using your normal android video player. See if that is faster. Also, this way means you can play any video file as long as your android video player supports it. |
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Oct 11 2013, 06:48 PM
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Oct 11 2013, 04:43 PM) For the first part, you sound like you know what you want and talk about. Yes, Thunderbolt is fast but are you sure you can transfer 20TB in one second with Thunderbolt? LOL my bad |
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Oct 11 2013, 10:43 PM
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Oct 11 2013, 04:43 PM) I wish LAG was simple and works in a straight forward fashion. 4 LAN port with teaming will only reach a peak like 350MB/s if you have 4 PCs equipped with 1 Gigabit NIC accessing the NAS simultaneously. Or 2 PCs with dual NICs each in teaming mode accessing the NAS simultaneously. Hope you get the picture. Oh, this assuming you have LAG enabled switch too. 1 PC with 4 NICs in teaming mode accessing the NAS with 4 ports in teaming mode will still give you 125MB/s traffic unfortunately. At the moment, the only one with 4 port GBit NAS is the Synology DS1513+. If you want more bandwidth point to point, you need to go to 10GBe. That would be super expensive finding 10GBe switch and NICs and NAS with 10GBe connections. 
setting up LAG is a piece of cake if your have a managed switch. Managed to achieved peak about 160MB/s on a single PC with 2 NICs and LAG enabled. This post has been edited by mintgadget: Oct 11 2013, 10:51 PM |
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Oct 12 2013, 11:11 AM
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Hi, any suggestion for beginner use (Home User)? Budget < RM500
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Oct 12 2013, 11:22 AM
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QUOTE(adrian_huen @ Oct 7 2013, 01:07 PM) What spec you look for?? You selling? Warranty?You may call me for discuss.. |
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Oct 12 2013, 03:57 PM
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QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ Oct 11 2013, 09:45 AM) Try to use your android file explorer (if you don't have one, get it) and browse over network to the d-link ip address and see if you can browse the folders inside like you would over windows. (if it works on windows, it should work on android as well). what kind of file explorer? i've installed ES file explorer, but when i clicked the AVI file, it say no players supported. but it works fine with MP4. Play it from there using your normal android video player. See if that is faster. Also, this way means you can play any video file as long as your android video player supports it. these are all the AVI files i currently have in local memory. it plays normally using the defaul media player on my phone (Xperia S). but i cant play the same file on the NAS. currently i'm using DLink N300 wifi router that's physically connected to the NAS via ethernet. another question: does synology have this problem? |
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Oct 12 2013, 06:57 PM
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Oct 12 2013, 03:57 PM) what kind of file explorer? i've installed ES file explorer, but when i clicked the AVI file, it say no players supported. but it works fine with MP4. This DLink NAS model was in my purchase list......Now good to know what happen on it.these are all the AVI files i currently have in local memory. it plays normally using the defaul media player on my phone (Xperia S). but i cant play the same file on the NAS. currently i'm using DLink N300 wifi router that's physically connected to the NAS via ethernet. another question: does synology have this problem? Want to buy Used Drobo 2nd Generation 4 bays @ RM700 |
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Oct 13 2013, 11:50 PM
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Hi all,
Am looking for NAS solution that can run Plex so I can stream directly to my SmartTV without the need for a computer. Any suggestions? Thanks |
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Oct 14 2013, 12:47 AM
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Oct 12 2013, 03:57 PM) what kind of file explorer? i've installed ES file explorer, but when i clicked the AVI file, it say no players supported. but it works fine with MP4. What kind of player are you using on your android device?these are all the AVI files i currently have in local memory. it plays normally using the defaul media player on my phone (Xperia S). but i cant play the same file on the NAS. currently i'm using DLink N300 wifi router that's physically connected to the NAS via ethernet. another question: does synology have this problem? |
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Oct 14 2013, 07:53 AM
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QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ Oct 13 2013, 04:47 PM) What kind of player are you using on your android device? Haha entah. I use the default player that comes with the phone (xperia s). Looks like the screenshot below if it helps. How do I check what kind of player I use?Attached thumbnail(s) 
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Oct 14 2013, 10:11 AM
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Oct 14 2013, 07:53 AM) Haha entah. I use the default player that comes with the phone (xperia s). Looks like the screenshot below if it helps. How do I check what kind of player I use? Try MX Player https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?....videoplayer.ad |
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Oct 14 2013, 10:44 AM
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QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ Oct 14 2013, 10:11 AM) You can also try VLC player. also available in Google Play |
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Oct 14 2013, 11:42 AM
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QUOTE(XeMoAsLaM91 @ Oct 14 2013, 09:39 AM) nas is wat? NAS= network attached storage,something like a server that serve files to every client that connects to it instead of those usb ext HDD where only one user can access it at on time |
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Oct 14 2013, 02:30 PM
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QUOTE(muttly @ Oct 13 2013, 11:50 PM) Hi all, This is a tough one coz cost comes to play. The highest end NAS that can do transcoding will cost you a bomb. Computers are the cheapest solution to be the PMS (Plex Media Server). Running PMS on a NAS unless you have at least a Dual Core 2.4ghz NAS you probably can play 1080p content smoothly, needless to say that is for 1 stream. If you have a few people streaming from your PMS at one time. NAS processors are not powerful enough I believe at this point of time unless is a PC built NAS or the Enterprise level NAS. If you understand how Plex works you will get a better picture. However PLEX is really awesome, the people behind it are just plain "gods"... Am looking for NAS solution that can run Plex so I can stream directly to my SmartTV without the need for a computer. Any suggestions? Thanks This post has been edited by mintgadget: Oct 14 2013, 02:31 PM |
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Oct 14 2013, 02:32 PM
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Haha they are gods, so I guess getting a small form factor PC would be the best solution?
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Oct 14 2013, 05:13 PM
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I would personally recommend a mac mini if you have the budget otherwise and Intel NUC is ideal too.
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Oct 14 2013, 05:42 PM
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QUOTE(mintgadget @ Oct 14 2013, 05:13 PM) I would personally recommend a mac mini if you have the budget otherwise and Intel NUC is ideal too. There is this Lenovo Q190 too which has a very small footprint to be placed near to the TV>. |
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Oct 14 2013, 06:06 PM
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The lenovo looks brilliant, thanks.
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Oct 15 2013, 11:41 AM
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QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ Oct 14 2013, 02:11 AM) QUOTE(CocoMonGo @ Oct 14 2013, 02:44 AM) You can also try VLC player. also available in Google Play hmmm... weirdly enough, after installing VLC (beta), all players now able to play those AVI files. although some files are time-scroll constrained (meaning i cant scroll forward or backwards), but i guess this might have to do with how those files were encoded. most of my other AVIs dont have this problem.thanks for the assist! |
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Oct 16 2013, 09:09 AM
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hey guys,
Which would be better? 1) Iomega ix2 2) linkstation pro duo I'm using it for BT, file sharing and streaming music Is user allow to access the file using web when they are away? |
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Oct 20 2013, 07:15 PM
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I have a WD MyBook Live. I want to access the files in the NAS outside my home network (on my android phone). I tried logging in using the app but it's not working. Is there any solution?
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Oct 21 2013, 04:16 PM
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recommending buffalo linkstation pro duo.
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Oct 21 2013, 06:05 PM
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Hi all, have anyone ever lost data on your NAS due to harddisk failure or file system corruption? I would like to hear it from you and the setup you have when you experienced the failure.
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Oct 23 2013, 12:33 AM
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QUOTE(mrbob @ Oct 21 2013, 06:05 PM) Hi all, have anyone ever lost data on your NAS due to harddisk failure or file system corruption? I would like to hear it from you and the setup you have when you experienced the failure. For my home, the NAS is in raid 5. So I pull out the problem hdd and replace a new 1. File no corrupt.For office, probably the NAS will have file corrupt. The symptom is, some file cannot delete. And will hang the NAS. Got to pull the plug to reset it. I m waiting to get a new hdd to replace it. Anyway that hdd already 6yrs old and about time to change. |
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Oct 23 2013, 07:37 AM
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QUOTE(ozak @ Oct 23 2013, 12:33 AM) For my home, the NAS is in raid 5. So I pull out the problem hdd and replace a new 1. File no corrupt. Your office NAS seems to have an interesting problem. Have you tried renaming or move the problem files to lower folder down the tree before deleting them? Could be due to long filename that OS unable to handle.For office, probably the NAS will have file corrupt. The symptom is, some file cannot delete. And will hang the NAS. Got to pull the plug to reset it. I m waiting to get a new hdd to replace it. Anyway that hdd already 6yrs old and about time to change. Are either of your NAS aftermarket brands such as Synalogy, QNAP etc or own-build NAS? If we can share these info, we may be able to safeguard our data better either by avoiding buying problem NAS models or better data management practices. This post has been edited by mrbob: Oct 23 2013, 07:52 AM |
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Oct 23 2013, 02:22 PM
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need advice for home NAS. major for the photo files backup (and photo processing), minimal video and documents backup.
Please advice which brand is good deal to get. just need a 2 drive NAS for RAID 1. budget as low as possible. extra function like FTP, HTTP is good to have but not a "need" |
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Oct 23 2013, 02:50 PM
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Oct 23 2013, 04:54 PM
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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Oct 23 2013, 02:50 PM) i use 2 QNAP NAS. TS-509 Pro and a TS-659 Pro II for home use. thanks for information, currently my priority was backing up the photos and RAW files. 2TB on RAID 1 should be sufficient for me at least for few years.Performance wise they are great (assuming you don't use encryption). But i'm impressed with ZFS because of it's end-to-end check sum for data integrity. There are some options out there that has ZFS, like freenas, nexenta etc..... those options can install alot more ram which is required for ZFS especially for advance options like deduplication among other things. I'm hoping that the mainstream brands will adopt a zfs solution, and offer more ram for a more reasonable price. But till that happens, people will just resort to a DIY NAS using something like freenas, with their own hand picked hardware for zfs if they have the know how  Anyway my home network is like this... Fiberhome modem > Microtik RB250GS vlan switch > Linksys E4200 V1 router (Victek's RAF Tomato firmware) > 1. QNAP TS-509 Pro - 5 x 1tb storage space 2. QNAP TS-659 Pro II - 6 x 2tb storage space 3. homeplug (used to connect internet to living room if ethernet internet/lan is required) 4. wireless 2.4ghz and 5ghz available throughout the house via the linksys router. 5. android phone, laptops, iphone, etc etc..... any small devices that use internet Well i'm a media heavy user, so for my own needs, the 6x2tb more or less meets my needs. But as usual storage needs increase, but for now it's still okay. So depending on your storage requirements and your expected rate of storage required in future, that would be the space you should invest in. But if you don't need so much, but want network storage to share easily around the home via the lan network, or over the net securely, then yeah a small nas may be okay as well. Good brands are like QNAP or Synology. But as i mentioned they don't have ZFS. The only option for that is a specific netgear model, or freenas, or Nexenta ..... but the question is, synology, QNAP is pretty above the range compare with Buffalo, wester digital etc. just need advice is worth to paid extra 200-300 for the QNAP and Synology features. |
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Oct 23 2013, 05:33 PM
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QUOTE(mrbob @ Oct 23 2013, 07:37 AM) Your office NAS seems to have an interesting problem. Have you tried renaming or move the problem files to lower folder down the tree before deleting them? Could be due to long filename that OS unable to handle. It's interesting that Synology has SHR (Synology Hybrid Raid) unlike QNAP which is planning to implement this feature from my understanding. The cool part about SHR is you can use what ever size HDD you have and create a RAID 5 or RAID 6 with the largest disk size being the parity. See http://forum.synology.com/wiki/index.php/W..._Hybrid_RAID%3F to have a better understanding.Are either of your NAS aftermarket brands such as Synalogy, QNAP etc or own-build NAS? If we can share these info, we may be able to safeguard our data better either by avoiding buying problem NAS models or better data management practices. You can upgrade your disk when needed although it might be a long process but is possible. QUOTE(kinx @ Oct 23 2013, 04:54 PM) thanks for information, currently my priority was backing up the photos and RAW files. 2TB on RAID 1 should be sufficient for me at least for few years. Not sure about QNAP's photo management but on Synology it has instant upload which means is somewhat similar to iCloud photo backup. Once you snapshot something on your phone it will auto upload to the NAS. For DSLR, look into using Eye-Fi card and running the Eye-Fi server on the Synology it will do auto backup once a snap shot is taken. These are all seamless once setup. If your objective is purely photos backup suggest you look at 3 or 4TBs on Raid 1, at least when you upgrade your camera and have bigger raw files it should be sufficient.but the question is, synology, QNAP is pretty above the range compare with Buffalo, wester digital etc. just need advice is worth to paid extra 200-300 for the QNAP and Synology features. This post has been edited by mintgadget: Oct 23 2013, 05:39 PM |
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Oct 23 2013, 06:30 PM
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guys, im looking for NAS to use for torrent, file storage server.
looking at buffulo linkstation pro duo, any review? i wish it has usb3.0 tho |
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Oct 23 2013, 09:19 PM
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Oct 23 2013, 11:16 PM
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Hi, I'm interested in NAS and would like to know a few things:
1) I don't have wired network like Streamyx at home, I use mobile broadband, is NAS required an internet service to run or I just attach the NAS to a wireless router then it would work? 2）Any NAS device with build-in wifi and antenna available on the market? 3） I don't see any different in the features between cheap and expensive model, what makes it different then? Transfer speed? Lifespan? |
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Oct 24 2013, 03:20 AM
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Oct 24 2013, 08:07 AM
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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Oct 24 2013, 03:20 AM) Yes it can work for wireless or wired internet. However if your talking about your lan network, most cases it needs to be wired, meaning that although your router has wireless internet, the router still needs to be physicall wired to the NAS via ethernet. Wow, very detail, thanks.However there are some exceptions to this. I believe QNAP for example has a wireless adapter support, so you don't need to be physically wired to the router, and thus can operate wirelessly in your home lan network. You just plug in a wireless usb adapter of your choice into the QNAP usb port, and you will be able to connect. Qnap opted for a wireless adapter approach. http://www.qnap.com/en/?lang=en&sn=1014 Synology has a NAS product with the wireless feature internally built into it http://www.pcworld.com/article/2018283/syn...ough-value.html There is a lot of difference between low/mid/high end model NAS such as.... 1. hardware specs e.g..... how much ram (more better), cpu power (higher for better performance, lower for the opposite, but has better power savings), network speed (the speed of how fast data uploads/downloads in your local network. This also affects streaming speed/quality for media such as music and hi-def videos). 2. software/firmware e.g. the graphics user interface navigating/configuring the options on the NAS. ease of use to install/modify apps. how many features it provides you to do, ranging from entertainment, utility, security etc etc..... 3. how much storage bays does it have, to support how many, and what types of hard drives. In summary, what is the max storage capacity can the NAS have ? 4. aesthethics - the outdoor appearance and build quality. Also is it a box or a rack chasis ? 5. warranty and support - is warranty covered ? And what is technical support like ? If you opt for a DIY NAS, nobody is going to help you period. But maybe a branded NAS has technical support on their forum to assist you regarding their product if you buy it. *update I found a low end ZFS NAS here Review: http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/5130/info...iew/index3.html http://www.eonnas.com/us/products/eonnas-p...-210#ad-image-0 http://www.amazon.com/Infortrend-EonNAS-2-...2/dp/B00BBPYTI2 http://www.marketwired.com/press-release/i...ies-1773398.htm The thing though, it has only 2gb ram, so this could be problematic could stuff like deduplication which requires alot of ram, minimum 8gb ecc ram i heard :/ so i'm not sure how well a ZFS NAS would work when not provided enough ram it should have Also another thing, this particular brand lacks extra features that brands like Synology and QNAP offer e.g. torrent client etc.... But instead it focuses more on reliability of storage, which to me sounds good, seeing as thats mostly i want it for So even if my router is not connected to internet, I still could build a local area network between the NAS and my pc right? |
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Oct 24 2013, 08:30 AM
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Oct 24 2013, 09:49 PM
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Just wondering whether any of you guys have redundant NAS setup to cater for NAS Failure. NAS protected us from harddisk failure, but once the NAS kaput, that is the unsolvable problem.
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Oct 25 2013, 05:06 AM
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Oct 25 2013, 06:55 AM
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QUOTE(mintgadget @ Oct 23 2013, 05:33 PM) It's interesting that Synology has SHR (Synology Hybrid Raid) unlike QNAP which is planning to implement this feature from my understanding. The cool part about SHR is you can use what ever size HDD you have and create a RAID 5 or RAID 6 with the largest disk size being the parity. See http://forum.synology.com/wiki/index.php/W..._Hybrid_RAID%3F to have a better understanding. Hmmm... Useful for people who don't populate their NAS in one go.You can upgrade your disk when needed although it might be a long process but is possible. Not sure about QNAP's photo management but on Synology it has instant upload which means is somewhat similar to iCloud photo backup. Once you snapshot something on your phone it will auto upload to the NAS. For DSLR, look into using Eye-Fi card and running the Eye-Fi server on the Synology it will do auto backup once a snap shot is taken. These are all seamless once setup. If your objective is purely photos backup suggest you look at 3 or 4TBs on Raid 1, at least when you upgrade your camera and have bigger raw files it should be sufficient. |
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Oct 25 2013, 08:43 AM
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QUOTE(mrbob @ Oct 23 2013, 07:37 AM) Your office NAS seems to have an interesting problem. Have you tried renaming or move the problem files to lower folder down the tree before deleting them? Could be due to long filename that OS unable to handle. The NAS seem like can't delete large file or qty of file in 1 go. It crash the HDD and I need to reboot the NAS. Another is, the file is deleted. But the remain empty folder cannot delete and have error message. Are either of your NAS aftermarket brands such as Synalogy, QNAP etc or own-build NAS? If we can share these info, we may be able to safeguard our data better either by avoiding buying problem NAS models or better data management practices. I m not sure it is the HDD problem or the NAS fw. To solve the problem, I need to get a new HDD than upgrade the fw. Both my home and office is using sinology. The data is pretty safe. Either office or home. Even if the NAS is totally gone. |
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Oct 25 2013, 08:46 AM
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QUOTE(vivre @ Oct 24 2013, 09:49 PM) Just wondering whether any of you guys have redundant NAS setup to cater for NAS Failure. NAS protected us from harddisk failure, but once the NAS kaput, that is the unsolvable problem. Yes. My NAS setup is 100% safe. From hardware till software. |
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Oct 25 2013, 09:38 AM
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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Oct 25 2013, 05:06 AM) Well.... people keep saying NAS by itself is not a backup. Some recommend getting a pair :/ I think the "people" are generally data center admins and know the reality of hardware failure and handle them on a daily basis. Data backup to them are for archival purpose where the original data are meant to be kept and restored at a later date. Hence the usage of tape backups as the archival process takes away the usual hardware failures out of the equation.A dual NAS is just a hardware redundancy solution akin to a hot/warm/cold standby servers we see in DCs. ZFS does have some very nice build-in features that ensure data integrity. Microsoft is taking a page out of the ZFS playbook with the introduction of ReFS in Windows Server 2012 Storage Spaces. It's still too early to see how ReFS is impacting the real world as it is still undergoing heavy development. It will be some time before we see a truly workable NTFS replacement. |
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Oct 25 2013, 09:46 AM
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QUOTE(ozak @ Oct 25 2013, 08:43 AM) The NAS seem like can't delete large file or qty of file in 1 go. It crash the HDD and I need to reboot the NAS. Another is, the file is deleted. But the remain empty folder cannot delete and have error message. That was a good game plan there. My previous NTFS-based box used to be unable to handle Unicode filenames. Had to rename and remove the unicode characters before I could access or delete the files.I m not sure it is the HDD problem or the NAS fw. To solve the problem, I need to get a new HDD than upgrade the fw. Both my home and office is using sinology. The data is pretty safe. Either office or home. Even if the NAS is totally gone. This post has been edited by mrbob: Oct 25 2013, 10:00 AM |
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Oct 25 2013, 12:33 PM
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QUOTE(mrbob @ Oct 25 2013, 09:46 AM) That was a good game plan there. My previous NTFS-based box used to be unable to handle Unicode filenames. Had to rename and remove the unicode characters before I could access or delete the files. Don't seems like any Unicode name. Look normal to me. |
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Oct 25 2013, 01:29 PM
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try performing data scrubbing first. may be able to delete after that but bear in mind might take some time.
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Oct 25 2013, 04:10 PM
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QUOTE(ozak @ Oct 25 2013, 12:33 PM) Don't seems like any Unicode name. Look normal to me. I'm just sharing what I went through. Not necessarily the same problem you are facing. |
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Oct 25 2013, 07:26 PM
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Oct 26 2013, 11:36 AM
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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Oct 25 2013, 07:26 PM) But i thought BTRFS (linux) and REFS (microsoft) are no match for zfs in regards to end-to-end check sum ? Hmmm, hope you're not being overly sensitive cause I've just rereading my last posting again whether there is any insinuation that ReFS is better than ZFS. Didn't see anything there. http://rudd-o.com/linux-and-free-software/...tter-than-btrfs Anyway, there are a growing initiative to make ZFS more accessible to the general public in the likes of NAS4Free, FreeNAS etc. |
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Hi Guys,
Do anyone explore the xpenology(Imitation of Synology DSM)? This post has been edited by war3boy: Oct 27 2013, 07:35 AM |
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Oct 27 2013, 08:36 AM
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QUOTE(war3boy @ Oct 27 2013, 07:15 AM) Hi Guys, What is that? Synology copycat?Do anyone explore the xpenology(Imitation of Synology DSM)? |
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 Need fellow LYN to comment and suggest via google docs link below. Bottom line, manage to keep the cost way below than NAS 8 bay storage, with comparable outlook and features. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key...drive_web#gid=1 This post has been edited by ruffstuff: Oct 27 2013, 03:15 PM |
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Oct 27 2013, 02:36 PM) Need fellow LYN to comment and suggest via google docs link below. Bottom line, manage to keep the cost way below than NAS 8 bay storage, with comparable outlook and features. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key...drive_web#gid=1 |
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QUOTE(mrbob @ Nov 1 2013, 04:02 PM) I think it really depends on what you want to do with your NAS. At least now you have figured out the hardware side of the storage solution, you need to also consider the software and workflow. The NAS features will depend largely on the OS and software you decide to run on the box. I decided to go for non-hardware raid route. Probably going to utilize windows server 2012 r2 with storage spaces pool. FreeNAS interface kinda messy although ZFS is more robust. And i need to get more memory for ZFS too. |
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Nov 2 2013, 11:33 AM
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Nov 1 2013, 06:13 PM) I decided to go for non-hardware raid route. Probably going to utilize windows server 2012 r2 with storage spaces pool. FreeNAS interface kinda messy although ZFS is more robust. And i need to get more memory for ZFS too. If MS solution then there's no worry bout HW compatibility. You will have the advantage of testing out ReFS. Its supposedly an improvement on NTFS with build-in redundancies. Just note that Windowz is more resource hungry compared to other OS executing the same tasks plus you will need to defrag the HDDs every now and then. If you are proficient in Linux, you can do quite a fair bit with this HW spec. If ZFS is not your cup of tea, why not try Ubuntu/Mint with ext3/4? Runs more efficiently compared to Windowz.For storage engineers, there's the consideration for capacity, performance, durability, reliability, power consumption and cost. You will have to find a balance between capacity and performance - the bigger the HDD, the slower the speed. And of course generally speaking, it will cost more to build redundancies and durability into the solution. HW RAID card can help improve RAID performance however do get a UPS to protect against the write hole problem. In the worst case for the write hole problem, you can lose the entire RAID group in the event of a catastropic power failure and if the server happened to be writting to HDDs at that time. A UPS won't cost much and is a sure protection against this. Needless to say that if the RAID card fails, you will need to replace with the same model to access your data. If you don't want to mess around too much with RAID and just want minimal problems with max performance and still offers some reliability, then just stick with RAID 1. |
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Nov 2 2013, 01:15 PM
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QUOTE(mrbob @ Nov 2 2013, 11:33 AM) If MS solution then there's no worry bout HW compatibility. You will have the advantage of testing out ReFS. Its supposedly an improvement on NTFS with build-in redundancies. Just note that Windowz is more resource hungry compared to other OS executing the same tasks plus you will need to defrag the HDDs every now and then. If you are proficient in Linux, you can do quite a fair bit with this HW spec. If ZFS is not your cup of tea, why not try Ubuntu/Mint with ext3/4? Runs more efficiently compared to Windowz. My data is not critical, but i do required some parity and redundancy. HW raid will cost double, the card alone gonna cost a bomb. Not to mention which die first, the raid array or the hdd. I have no problem with linux, and probably going to utilize LVM if go into linux route. But since i have a free copy of Win Server 2012 R2, might experiment with it first with MS fancy new FS. For storage engineers, there's the consideration for capacity, performance, durability, reliability, power consumption and cost. You will have to find a balance between capacity and performance - the bigger the HDD, the slower the speed. And of course generally speaking, it will cost more to build redundancies and durability into the solution. HW RAID card can help improve RAID performance however do get a UPS to protect against the write hole problem. In the worst case for the write hole problem, you can lose the entire RAID group in the event of a catastropic power failure and if the server happened to be writting to HDDs at that time. A UPS won't cost much and is a sure protection against this. Needless to say that if the RAID card fails, you will need to replace with the same model to access your data. If you don't want to mess around too much with RAID and just want minimal problems with max performance and still offers some reliability, then just stick with RAID 1. Talking about resource hungry OS, im quite dissapointed with ZFS which is require 1GB ram per TB to perform at its best. I'm still looking if Win Server require that much resource as well as Linux LVM. |
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Nov 4 2013, 08:54 AM
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Nov 2 2013, 01:15 PM) My data is not critical, but i do required some parity and redundancy. HW raid will cost double, the card alone gonna cost a bomb. Not to mention which die first, the raid array or the hdd. I have no problem with linux, and probably going to utilize LVM if go into linux route. But since i have a free copy of Win Server 2012 R2, might experiment with it first with MS fancy new FS. Are you planning to use the server for anything else other than just pure storage? Coz IMO if just storage your CPU is overspec'ed. I checked the G2020 is a 55W processor, plus all the other components your power usage is probably hitting 75-100W. Not every cheap to run if you are leaving it on 24/7. Talking about resource hungry OS, im quite dissapointed with ZFS which is require 1GB ram per TB to perform at its best. I'm still looking if Win Server require that much resource as well as Linux LVM. You do not need 1GB RAM per TB of HDD for ZFS. THat is only required if you are running de-dup I also strongly recommend that if possible try to get ECC compliant RAM and MB BTW what is the flashdrive for? If you are thinking of installing ur OS there my suggestion is to forget about it and get a HDD instead. You can get those 2.5" ones for cheap. |
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Nov 4 2013, 09:35 AM
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QUOTE(CocoMonGo @ Nov 4 2013, 08:54 AM) Are you planning to use the server for anything else other than just pure storage? Coz IMO if just storage your CPU is overspec'ed. I checked the G2020 is a 55W processor, plus all the other components your power usage is probably hitting 75-100W. Not every cheap to run if you are leaving it on 24/7. flash drive if only i run freenas. For other os, i will be using ssd.You do not need 1GB RAM per TB of HDD for ZFS. THat is only required if you are running de-dup I also strongly recommend that if possible try to get ECC compliant RAM and MB BTW what is the flashdrive for? If you are thinking of installing ur OS there my suggestion is to forget about it and get a HDD instead. You can get those 2.5" ones for cheap. 55w is maximum tdp, i dont think it will run on full load all the time. Going ECC and true server motherboard going to cost more and hard to source especially ITX. And i probably need to find hardware raid for that too and going for mini-sas connectivity. Consumer grade board itx have maximum 6 sata ports, i can expand it with HB controller that i already have up to 4 ports. One server grade itx board that have 12 sata is from asrock. The cpu is BGA type, soldered down. But hard to source as well. Im thinking for flexibility of the box in the future. Having more room to expand not only the storage, but also in terms of purpose. Running few virtualize server might be possible. This post has been edited by ruffstuff: Nov 4 2013, 09:37 AM |
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Nov 4 2013, 11:13 AM
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Once you start hitting 8 HDDs, your box is not going to be running < 100W anymore. Don't worry too much bout the ZFS 1GB ram per TB recommendation. Just pop in 1x 8GB 1600MHz ram should be more than enough for your experimentation.
Yep I'm also having a tough time sourcing for server grade ITX mobo. Hard to find even on Newegg. Sigh... HW RAID cards are not that expensive if you know what you want and where to look. I'm just going to try a few more leads in Malaysia and Singapore before deciding whether to order my HW from the US. Do note also that the clearance between the mobo and drive cage in UNAS is < 40mm so the bundled Intel CPU cooler will not fit in there. FYI the Asrock C2750D4I/C2550D4I mobo with built-in Intel Avoton processor that you mentioned is currently the most anticipated mobo in the NAS community. There is no date of released yet. You may get a better chance finding Asrock E3C226D2I/E3C224D2I instead. |
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Nov 4 2013, 11:20 AM
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Nov 4 2013, 09:35 AM) flash drive if only i run freenas. For other os, i will be using ssd. Well for me its about data security. I have had corrupted files before but your milage may vary.55w is maximum tdp, i dont think it will run on full load all the time. Going ECC and true server motherboard going to cost more and hard to source especially ITX. And i probably need to find hardware raid for that too and going for mini-sas connectivity. Consumer grade board itx have maximum 6 sata ports, i can expand it with HB controller that i already have up to 4 ports. One server grade itx board that have 12 sata is from asrock. The cpu is BGA type, soldered down. But hard to source as well. Im thinking for flexibility of the box in the future. Having more room to expand not only the storage, but also in terms of purpose. Running few virtualize server might be possible. On the power consumption you are right in that its only 55w is max. http://www.extrahardware.com/clanky/intel-...ion/strana/0/11 If you are thinking of future expansion ITX is probably too limiting with only 1 slot. My HP N40L only have 1 16x and 1 1x PCIe slots I also find susah to upgrade. |
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Nov 4 2013, 11:36 AM
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QUOTE(CocoMonGo @ Nov 4 2013, 11:20 AM) Well for me its about data security. I have had corrupted files before but your milage may vary. LSI has several options to add 4-16x HDDs, but the external HDD enclosures will cost you.On the power consumption you are right in that its only 55w is max. http://www.extrahardware.com/clanky/intel-...ion/strana/0/11 If you are thinking of future expansion ITX is probably too limiting with only 1 slot. My HP N40L only have 1 16x and 1 1x PCIe slots I also find susah to upgrade. |
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Nov 4 2013, 11:44 AM
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QUOTE(mrbob @ Nov 4 2013, 11:36 AM) LSI has several options to add 4-16x HDDs, but the external HDD enclosures will cost you. Are you refering to using a DAS for external connection? |
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QUOTE(CocoMonGo @ Nov 4 2013, 11:44 AM) Are you refering to using a DAS for external connection? No. SAS Expander. Look for external SAS ports.And since you have brought up DAS, it is a cheaper but slower option... What are you running on your N40L? |
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I am having an extra desktop, Lenovo Thinkcentre Edge 72, SFF built and powered by G2020 CPU which is I find suitable to run as a NAS function. The specs are as below
Processor Intel Pentium G2020 Processor( 2.90GHz 1333MHz ) - Operating system Windows 7 Professional (64-bit) - System Graphics Intel Integrated HD Graphics - Total memory Hynix 2.0GB PC3-12800 DDR3 SDRAM 1600 MHz - Hard drive device WD Blue 500GB 7200 rpm - Optical device DVD Recordable/CD-RW Most probably I am willing to wipe the Windows and replacing it with Linux, other than that which part is good for me to upgrade/replace. Any opinions appreciated. Thanks |
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QUOTE(mrbob @ Nov 4 2013, 12:22 PM) wow! this is nice!!! Anyone know what are the pricing like?Hmm..does hp proliant have enough sata connection for it... This post has been edited by abubin: Nov 5 2013, 10:57 PM |
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QUOTE(abubin @ Nov 5 2013, 10:54 PM) wow! this is nice!!! Anyone know what are the pricing like? The icydock is meant to work with any 2.5" SATA drives. Problem with it though u need to have equal number of SATA connections to connect all the drives. Hmm..does hp proliant have enough sata connection for it... Which HP proliant server are you referring to anyway? The microserver model?( in which case has 1 SAS port + 1 SATA + 1eSATA. Otherwise get a PCIe to SATA expansion card. |
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QUOTE(powerwoot @ Nov 5 2013, 08:10 PM) I am having an extra desktop, Lenovo Thinkcentre Edge 72, SFF built and powered by G2020 CPU which is I find suitable to run as a NAS function. The specs are as below Upgrade the RAM. Did you check how many SATA connections it has and how many free drive bays is available?Processor Intel Pentium G2020 Processor( 2.90GHz 1333MHz ) - Operating system Windows 7 Professional (64-bit) - System Graphics Intel Integrated HD Graphics - Total memory Hynix 2.0GB PC3-12800 DDR3 SDRAM 1600 MHz - Hard drive device WD Blue 500GB 7200 rpm - Optical device DVD Recordable/CD-RW Most probably I am willing to wipe the Windows and replacing it with Linux, other which part is good for me to upgrade/replace. Any opinions appreciated. Thanks |
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QUOTE(CocoMonGo @ Nov 5 2013, 11:50 PM) Upgrade the RAM. Did you check how many SATA connections it has and how many free drive bays is available? 2GB ram is more than enough for a linux system. Remember it's not a desktop. It is a server so no need to install the linux desktop environment if you don't need it. I used to run my ubuntu with 1GB ram and it is totally sufficient for almost everything I throw at it. I also install XFCE which is a very light desktop envinronment with minimal stuffs.With 1GB ram, I was running deluge torrent, serviio DLNA server, apache (for serviio gui), samba file sharing, software RAID, a few java apps, vnc server (with XFCE). Until I went and throw in a camera monitoring system. This prove to be slightly overwhelming for my linux box. however, it still can run fine all the apps with some load only. That is even due to partially processor not power enough. |
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QUOTE(powerwoot @ Nov 5 2013, 08:10 PM) I am having an extra desktop, Lenovo Thinkcentre Edge 72, SFF built and powered by G2020 CPU which is I find suitable to run as a NAS function. The specs are as below All depends on what you plan to do with the NAS and how much space you will need in the next X number of years that the NAS is online - whether just for pure storage or if you plan to add apps for torrenting, downloading, web page serving, media serving etc. Just note that if you torrent 24/7 on a desktop, your electric bill is gonna rise. My advise - keep torrenting on a separate low-powered Linux-embedded NAS like Dlink or Synology etc and keep the NAS powered on when you need it.Processor Intel Pentium G2020 Processor( 2.90GHz 1333MHz ) - Operating system Windows 7 Professional (64-bit) - System Graphics Intel Integrated HD Graphics - Total memory Hynix 2.0GB PC3-12800 DDR3 SDRAM 1600 MHz - Hard drive device WD Blue 500GB 7200 rpm - Optical device DVD Recordable/CD-RW Most probably I am willing to wipe the Windows and replacing it with Linux, other than that which part is good for me to upgrade/replace. Any opinions appreciated. Thanks The 500GB HDD seems minuscule, if you plan to host media files on the box. FYI MP3/FLAC albums runs 150-250MB each and 1080P movies runs around 5-9GBs each. Also if planning for RAID 1 redundancy (easiest to setup and fastest to replicate) you will need a free SATA port and a HDD bay on the box. I'm not familiar with Lenovo Thinkcentre Edge 72 (SFF model). How many 3.5"/2.5" drive bays, SATA ports and PCIe slots does it have? Seems like a small box. Depending on the current mobo spec and what you want, there are ways to expand the storage space. On the software side, you will do better without NTFS for your NAS. Linux file systems are more efficient. 2GB RAM is a great place to start with any Linux distro. But if you are looking into ZFS or Win Storage Svr 2012, you will need more RAM. |
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QUOTE(abubin @ Nov 5 2013, 10:54 PM) wow! this is nice!!! Anyone know what are the pricing like? Hmm..does hp proliant have enough sata connection for it... QUOTE(CocoMonGo @ Nov 5 2013, 11:45 PM) The icydock is meant to work with any 2.5" SATA drives. Problem with it though u need to have equal number of SATA connections to connect all the drives. The Newegg link on the icydock webpage shows US$97 for the 6 SSD/SATA model. You will still need SAS/SATA Expander cards for this to work.Which HP proliant server are you referring to anyway? The microserver model?( in which case has 1 SAS port + 1 SATA + 1eSATA. Otherwise get a PCIe to SATA expansion card. |
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QUOTE(mrbob @ Nov 6 2013, 12:39 PM) All depends on what you plan to do with the NAS and how much space you will need in the next X number of years that the NAS is online - whether just for pure storage or if you plan to add apps for torrenting, downloading, web page serving, media serving etc. Just note that if you torrent 24/7 on a desktop, your electric bill is gonna rise. My advise - keep torrenting on a separate low-powered Linux-embedded NAS like Dlink or Synology etc and keep the NAS powered on when you need it. I am thinking to run it as a pure storage that keep my medias and torrenting that may run overnight for any big files on slow connection. 500GB is intended on OS and looking forward to add another larger capacity HDD, lets say 1TB min or higher capacity WD Red if budget permits me. I am noob about RAID thingy to be frank, but willing to read more later on. Yes, I am fully aware of ready build NAS device, but this Thinkcentre Edge 72 is an extra unit desktop for myself, new out of the box and I really don't know what to make fully use of it The 500GB HDD seems minuscule, if you plan to host media files on the box. FYI MP3/FLAC albums runs 150-250MB each and 1080P movies runs around 5-9GBs each. Also if planning for RAID 1 redundancy (easiest to setup and fastest to replicate) you will need a free SATA port and a HDD bay on the box. I'm not familiar with Lenovo Thinkcentre Edge 72 (SFF model). How many 3.5"/2.5" drive bays, SATA ports and PCIe slots does it have? Seems like a small box. Depending on the current mobo spec and what you want, there are ways to expand the storage space. On the software side, you will do better without NTFS for your NAS. Linux file systems are more efficient. 2GB RAM is a great place to start with any Linux distro. But if you are looking into ZFS or Win Storage Svr 2012, you will need more RAM. It has 3 sata ports on board, 1 occupied by optical drive and 1 by current HDD and left 1 unused. Another HDD expansion bay is there. The good about this model is the Intel Pentium Dual Core G2020 2.9GHz CPU that run at minimal powered, very less heat and almost no sound from the fan at all. |
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Nov 6 2013, 10:01 PM
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QUOTE(abubin @ Nov 6 2013, 11:18 AM) 2GB ram is more than enough for a linux system. Remember it's not a desktop. It is a server so no need to install the linux desktop environment if you don't need it. I used to run my ubuntu with 1GB ram and it is totally sufficient for almost everything I throw at it. I also install XFCE which is a very light desktop envinronment with minimal stuffs. I am opt for my box running openSUSE as I am familiar with it, DE however would be XFCE as well. With 1GB ram, I was running deluge torrent, serviio DLNA server, apache (for serviio gui), samba file sharing, software RAID, a few java apps, vnc server (with XFCE). Until I went and throw in a camera monitoring system. This prove to be slightly overwhelming for my linux box. however, it still can run fine all the apps with some load only. That is even due to partially processor not power enough. |
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Nov 7 2013, 09:07 AM
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QUOTE(powerwoot @ Nov 6 2013, 09:58 PM) I am thinking to run it as a pure storage that keep my medias and torrenting that may run overnight for any big files on slow connection. 500GB is intended on OS and looking forward to add another larger capacity HDD, lets say 1TB min or higher capacity WD Red if budget permits me. I am noob about RAID thingy to be frank, but willing to read more later on. Yes, I am fully aware of ready build NAS device, but this Thinkcentre Edge 72 is an extra unit desktop for myself, new out of the box and I really don't know what to make fully use of it Only 2x 3.5" HDD bays? Then you only have RAID 1 (mirror) option available which I think will be fine. You don't want to be running a NAS without any form of redundancies or parity as you will be running the NAS at a great risk of loosing your data in the event of HDD failure. It has 3 sata ports on board, 1 occupied by optical drive and 1 by current HDD and left 1 unused. Another HDD expansion bay is there. The good about this model is the Intel Pentium Dual Core G2020 2.9GHz CPU that run at minimal powered, very less heat and almost no sound from the fan at all.Actually your SFF would be a good candidate for Ubuntu XBMC media PC. You will still be able to play your media on the TV. Spend your money to build a proper 4-8 bays NAS which will likely last longer as you don't need to move your data around too much when you run out of space. |
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Nov 14 2013, 05:41 PM
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Hello all,
Hope you guys could help out with my dilemma. My Laptop is running of out of space again though I got myself a 1TB External Storage last year for backup for non-quickie access such as Media and Photos. I already got a HDD Caddy to replace my Optical Drive and I intend to purchase WD 2.5" Blue 1TB together with Caddy. It is an inexpensive way to solve Storage issue for the mean time. However, another part of me hesitated and hope to get a full-capable NAS such as Synology for solving Storage for the next 5 years, at least. NAS is expensive, but its capability with Pool Storage and RAID Backup for my important Photos are worth it. But the cost is what put me Wait & See. You may ask Why not just use any old-desktop as NAS. Honestly, I do not have an old desktop free to be as NAS now. Thanks you all for your time, reading or/and comment. |
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Nov 14 2013, 06:28 PM
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QUOTE(weirdguy @ Nov 14 2013, 05:41 PM) Hello all, Hello weirdguy,Hope you guys could help out with my dilemma. My Laptop is running of out of space again though I got myself a 1TB External Storage last year for backup for non-quickie access such as Media and Photos. I already got a HDD Caddy to replace my Optical Drive and I intend to purchase WD 2.5" Blue 1TB together with Caddy. It is an inexpensive way to solve Storage issue for the mean time. However, another part of me hesitated and hope to get a full-capable NAS such as Synology for solving Storage for the next 5 years, at least. NAS is expensive, but its capability with Pool Storage and RAID Backup for my important Photos are worth it. But the cost is what put me Wait & See. You may ask Why not just use any old-desktop as NAS. Honestly, I do not have an old desktop free to be as NAS now. Thanks you all for your time, reading or/and comment. Instead of buying external and internal HDDs as a bandaid to patch an open wound, let me suggest a 2-phase solution. Phase-1 Buy the following parts :- - Dlink DNS-320L RM250 - 2x WD AV Green 3TB RM818 Setup DNS-320L as RAID1 (mirrored). This will provide you some breathing space while you work on completing phase-2. Total investment for phase-1 RM1068 Phase-2 Buy or build a 4-8 bays NAS which will address your storage needs in the next 3-5 years. Estimated investment for phase-2 RM2800 to RM10000 depending on the solution. Note that 60-75% of the cost will go into buying the HDDs. Start reading up on NAS and RAID technologies so that you can make informed decisions later. WaNaWe900 liked this post
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Nov 14 2013, 07:45 PM
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QUOTE(mrbob @ Nov 14 2013, 06:28 PM) Hello weirdguy, Thanks mrbob for your suggestion.Instead of buying external and internal HDDs as a bandaid to patch an open wound, let me suggest a 2-phase solution. Phase-1 Buy the following parts :- - Dlink DNS-320L RM250 - 2x WD AV Green 3TB RM818 Setup DNS-320L as RAID1 (mirrored). This will provide you some breathing space while you work on completing phase-2. Total investment for phase-1 RM1068 Phase-2 Buy or build a 4-8 bays NAS which will address your storage needs in the next 3-5 years. Estimated investment for phase-2 RM2800 to RM10000 depending on the solution. Note that 60-75% of the cost will go into buying the HDDs. Start reading up on NAS and RAID technologies so that you can make informed decisions later. I have thought of straight jump to Phase-2 before as I never thought there is a reasonable price and reliable NAS such as the one you recommended. However, I still wish to understand, from your perspective (hopefully you have Synology especially DS413J), would there be many and great difference/benefit to choose Synology, QNAP than Dlink and others? Also, is WD AV Green share similar to WD Red series? This post has been edited by weirdguy: Nov 14 2013, 09:07 PM |
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Nov 14 2013, 08:47 PM
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For those looking for NAS with transcoding capabilities , read this QNAP Launches : http://www.benchmarkemail.com/c/v?e=3DAEA2...o&relid=C6EC15A
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Nov 14 2013, 10:50 PM
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QUOTE(weirdguy @ Nov 14 2013, 07:45 PM) Thanks mrbob for your suggestion. I always recommend getting a DIY fileserver vs a NAS. I just think the NAS in Malaysia (and maybe overseas too) are overpriced.I have thought of straight jump to Phase-2 before as I never thought there is a reasonable price and reliable NAS such as the one you recommended. However, I still wish to understand, from your perspective (hopefully you have Synology especially DS413J), would there be many and great difference/benefit to choose Synology, QNAP than Dlink and others? Also, is WD AV Green share similar to WD Red series? |
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Nov 15 2013, 10:36 AM
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QUOTE(weirdguy @ Nov 14 2013, 07:45 PM) Thanks mrbob for your suggestion. What do Synology, QNAP, Dlink, Thecus and Asustor have in common, they are all Taiwanese-based companies that manufactures NAS. Nowadays the techonology behind NAS is just pretty much the same across the board due to the close competitiveness among these TW companies. From what I have seen on the forums, HW failure rates are almost the same among these manufacturers. I have thought of straight jump to Phase-2 before as I never thought there is a reasonable price and reliable NAS such as the one you recommended. However, I still wish to understand, from your perspective (hopefully you have Synology especially DS413J), would there be many and great difference/benefit to choose Synology, QNAP than Dlink and others? Also, is WD AV Green share similar to WD Red series? However the key difference is still user experience. Many end users prefer and swear by Synology's sleek GUI, hence Synology's popularity and price. As for me, as long as the NAS supports NFS and SMB/CIFS, I don't care how the GUI looks like as it will just be a box where I will throw all my data into from my Windows PC. I don't have the time to spend 8 hours everyday staring into a nice NAS GUI. So for me a Dlink-320L is as useful as a Synology DS-213SE which cost over twice as much just as a storage box on the network. Since DSL-320L only have 2 slots, you are limited to RAID 0 or 1. RAID 1 offers HDD mirroring redundancy and protection from 1 HDD failure but doesn't protect your data from NAS HW failure. Stay away from RAID 0 as you run a great risk of loosing data if any HDD writing glitch, electrical glitch, HDD failure etc happens. Go for Synology for the ease of setup, peace of mind and if you don't mind paying extra for all the bells and whistles. And if you are technologically inclined, build your own and you are more likely to end up with a more powerful box that does all the same things that Synology does at a cheaper price. Both AV Green and Red are designed for 24/7 operations and comes with 3 years warranty. You can use either for RAID 1, however only Red is designed for RAID 5 & 6 setup and is generally more expensive. Hmmm, I'm not sure you really need a NAS judging from your response above. NAS is essentially a server that holds and makes available all your data on the network for you. IMO if you just need a place to store/archive your data and only access them occasionally, then external HDDs may be the best fit and value solution. WD MyBook external HDDs are quite affortable and reliable. This post has been edited by mrbob: Nov 15 2013, 10:43 AM WaNaWe900 liked this post
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Nov 15 2013, 07:44 PM
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QUOTE(weirdguy @ Nov 14 2013, 05:41 PM) Hello all, for backup only get those 4bays hotway usb box more than enough. got usb 3 and esata... pay more if u want FWHope you guys could help out with my dilemma. My Laptop is running of out of space again though I got myself a 1TB External Storage last year for backup for non-quickie access such as Media and Photos. I already got a HDD Caddy to replace my Optical Drive and I intend to purchase WD 2.5" Blue 1TB together with Caddy. It is an inexpensive way to solve Storage issue for the mean time. However, another part of me hesitated and hope to get a full-capable NAS such as Synology for solving Storage for the next 5 years, at least. NAS is expensive, but its capability with Pool Storage and RAID Backup for my important Photos are worth it. But the cost is what put me Wait & See. You may ask Why not just use any old-desktop as NAS. Honestly, I do not have an old desktop free to be as NAS now. Thanks you all for your time, reading or/and comment. |
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Nov 15 2013, 09:21 PM
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QUOTE(mrbob @ Nov 15 2013, 10:36 AM) What do Synology, QNAP, Dlink, Thecus and Asustor have in common, they are all Taiwanese-based companies that manufactures NAS. Nowadays the techonology behind NAS is just pretty much the same across the board due to the close competitiveness among these TW companies. From what I have seen on the forums, HW failure rates are almost the same among these manufacturers. However the key difference is still user experience. Many end users prefer and swear by Synology's sleek GUI, hence Synology's popularity and price. As for me, as long as the NAS supports NFS and SMB/CIFS, I don't care how the GUI looks like as it will just be a box where I will throw all my data into from my Windows PC. I don't have the time to spend 8 hours everyday staring into a nice NAS GUI. So for me a Dlink-320L is as useful as a Synology DS-213SE which cost over twice as much just as a storage box on the network. Since DSL-320L only have 2 slots, you are limited to RAID 0 or 1. RAID 1 offers HDD mirroring redundancy and protection from 1 HDD failure but doesn't protect your data from NAS HW failure. Stay away from RAID 0 as you run a great risk of loosing data if any HDD writing glitch, electrical glitch, HDD failure etc happens. Go for Synology for the ease of setup, peace of mind and if you don't mind paying extra for all the bells and whistles. And if you are technologically inclined, build your own and you are more likely to end up with a more powerful box that does all the same things that Synology does at a cheaper price. Both AV Green and Red are designed for 24/7 operations and comes with 3 years warranty. You can use either for RAID 1, however only Red is designed for RAID 5 & 6 setup and is generally more expensive. Hmmm, I'm not sure you really need a NAS judging from your response above. NAS is essentially a server that holds and makes available all your data on the network for you. IMO if you just need a place to store/archive your data and only access them occasionally, then external HDDs may be the best fit and value solution. WD MyBook external HDDs are quite affortable and reliable. QUOTE(Lurker @ Nov 15 2013, 07:44 PM) for backup only get those 4bays hotway usb box more than enough. got usb 3 and esata... pay more if u want FW Thanks mrbob, Lurker and others for your suggestions.I think I have a decision. Thanks again, UPDATE: I will go for mrbob recommendation for Phase 1. Get the D-Link DNS302L and with a 3TB or 4TB WD HDD until next year. I am not a video streaming person. I prefer top-notch video quality when watching series or movies. I find the reliability to stream a consistent quality over WIFI and my basic router is a no-no. While, I am getting a basic NAS for Storage. I also prefer additional features such as HTTP Download. While for my Phase2 (3-4 years later), I think I will go for DIY as by next year, I may have a desktop laying around. And since I am a Windows Phone user, I will likely to try Windows Server 2012. Thanks everyone. Another update: Phase 1 put on hold and wait for DS214se released in Malaysia. According to this link (Singapore), Synology is offering a budget 2-Bay Model and packed with its famous Synology software. DS214se Retail Recommended Price is SGD267 about MYR650. This post has been edited by weirdguy: Nov 16 2013, 11:45 PM |
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Nov 20 2013, 10:43 AM
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Imation releases Nexsan E-Series V that squeezes 240 Terabytes in 4U space while consuming less than one-third the power in typical arrays.
 http://online.wsj.com/article/PR-CO-20131118-904157.html |
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Dec 20 2013, 04:15 PM
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Hi,
Want to ask about the WD-Red HDD for NAS. I am buying Synology DS213J and do I really need WD-RED? or normal WD-Green will do? |
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Dec 20 2013, 04:24 PM
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I'm using green myself.
Red only provides longer warranty and also raid support i reckon. Avg user like us wont really need that. |
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Dec 21 2013, 07:42 PM
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QUOTE(philipcs @ Dec 20 2013, 04:15 PM) Hi, Best to get the Green series for CCTV, WDC AV-GP series is designed for CCTV purpose, good for 24/7 running, also 1-year more warranty than the normal Green series.Want to ask about the WD-Red HDD for NAS. I am buying Synology DS213J and do I really need WD-RED? or normal WD-Green will do? |
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Dec 22 2013, 11:42 PM
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Actually Synology DS213J only have 2 slots which means you can only do RAID 0 or 1. Forget about RAID 0 as it is the most risky setup.
You can use any HDDs for RAID 1 (mirrored) WD Green AV is a good candidate as wwgoh has pointed out esp if you will be torrenting from your box. WD Red is useful when you are building RAID 5, 6 etc which will need 3 HDDs and above. |
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Dec 27 2013, 04:27 PM
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QUOTE(mrbob @ Dec 22 2013, 11:42 PM) Actually Synology DS213J only have 2 slots which means you can only do RAID 0 or 1. Forget about RAID 0 as it is the most risky setup. So we can say that those WG Green AV are good candidates for a seedbox too?You can use any HDDs for RAID 1 (mirrored) WD Green AV is a good candidate as wwgoh has pointed out esp if you will be torrenting from your box. WD Red is useful when you are building RAID 5, 6 etc which will need 3 HDDs and above. |
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Dec 27 2013, 04:45 PM
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Sifus, is the transfer rate like this healthy (PC to NAS)?
 Am using DNS-327L + Asus RT-N56U. This post has been edited by The Wonder: Dec 27 2013, 06:04 PM |
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Dec 27 2013, 11:32 PM
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Hi all, i'm new with NAS system. i bought a synology ds213j running RAID 1. Here's the question i hv:
1. how to setup 'remote access' ? my router is innacomm w400v6 (free frm TM when apply streamxy) 2. How to set the router configuration? |
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Dec 28 2013, 09:23 AM
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QUOTE(arslow @ Dec 27 2013, 04:27 PM) So we can say that those WG Green AV are good candidates for a seedbox too? Green AV is good for single drives operations, means no RAID or whatever RAID equivalent for the drives.But Mrbob point out that Green AV is good under RAID1 so you may start with that. QUOTE(The Wonder @ Dec 27 2013, 04:45 PM) Is that a constant speed from your PC to your NAS (60MB/s+), looks pretty fast, what's your setup for your NAS? RAID0? RAID1? |
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Dec 28 2013, 02:25 PM
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Just got my DLINK 320L yesterday, with a new unit of 2TB HDD.
My old USB box storage box with 4 HDD seems to be failing...which is why i moved out one of the HDD+ the new HDD into the NAS. Initial tests: 1) 2 HDD setup as RAID 1. 2) Transferring from my PC to NAS seems rather slow over Gigabit Network...about 20Mbps/s ++....after a while even less. 3) Playing from my Minix NEO X7, streaming big HD files will have a bit of lag occasionally. I noticed again, the throughput is not fast enough..only 20Mbps/s or less....if i stream from PC (with the USB 3.0 box attached), can goes up to 20MB/s-40 MB/s with no lag...sometimes, even hits 90Mbps/s!!! arrghh...quite dissapointed by this NAS. Should have bought a new USB 3.0 box instead. Now maybe only use it as backup with mirroring. Got one question...if the NAS dies, will i be able to read the HDD data? Previously i have tested RAID-1 on my PC...even if the RAID is gone, i can still read the data from the individual RAID-1 disk if i hook it back with out the RAID config. This post has been edited by Matrix: Dec 28 2013, 02:29 PM |
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Dec 28 2013, 02:33 PM
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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Dec 28 2013, 09:23 AM) Green AV is good for single drives operations, means no RAID or whatever RAID equivalent for the drives. That is amazingly fast!!! Looks like local copy via USB 3.0!!!! I can barely hit 12MB/s when copying over to my DLiknk 320L....But Mrbob point out that Green AV is good under RAID1 so you may start with that. Is that a constant speed from your PC to your NAS (60MB/s+), looks pretty fast, what's your setup for your NAS? RAID0? RAID1? |
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Dec 28 2013, 11:19 PM
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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Dec 28 2013, 09:23 AM) Green AV is good for single drives operations, means no RAID or whatever RAID equivalent for the drives. From the review is stated 60MB+..But Mrbob point out that Green AV is good under RAID1 so you may start with that. Is that a constant speed from your PC to your NAS (60MB/s+), looks pretty fast, what's your setup for your NAS? RAID0? RAID1? If i recall correctly, is known DLINK 320L writing speed is slow.. |
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Dec 28 2013, 11:22 PM
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QUOTE(jimmy_none @ Dec 28 2013, 11:19 PM) Reading also slow...  |
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Dec 29 2013, 04:33 AM
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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Dec 28 2013, 09:23 AM) Green AV is good for single drives operations, means no RAID or whatever RAID equivalent for the drives. Glad that you says it's fast But Mrbob point out that Green AV is good under RAID1 so you may start with that. Is that a constant speed from your PC to your NAS (60MB/s+), looks pretty fast, what's your setup for your NAS? RAID0? RAID1? Constant speed about 60-65MB/sec, RAID0. I even saw the thing hit about 74MB/sec (for about 30-40secs) before dropping back to 6x. QUOTE(Matrix @ Dec 28 2013, 02:33 PM) That is amazingly fast!!! Looks like local copy via USB 3.0!!!! I can barely hit 12MB/s when copying over to my DLiknk 320L.... I was quite concerned about the speed when I looked at the 320L, and furthermore no USB3! That's how I ended up with 327L. |
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Dec 29 2013, 07:49 AM
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QUOTE(The Wonder @ Dec 29 2013, 04:33 AM) Glad that you says it's fast How much is the 327L?? Constant speed about 60-65MB/sec, RAID0. I even saw the thing hit about 74MB/sec (for about 30-40secs) before dropping back to 6x. I was quite concerned about the speed when I looked at the 320L, and furthermore no USB3! That's how I ended up with 327L. |
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Dec 29 2013, 01:23 PM
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Dec 29 2013, 07:49 AM) How much is the 327L?? RM 385 from Thundermatch, Low Yat. |
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Dec 29 2013, 06:16 PM
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QUOTE(The Wonder @ Dec 29 2013, 04:33 AM) Glad that you says it's fast OH!! RAID0!! No wonder. Constant speed about 60-65MB/sec, RAID0. I even saw the thing hit about 74MB/sec (for about 30-40secs) before dropping back to 6x. I was quite concerned about the speed when I looked at the 320L, and furthermore no USB3! That's how I ended up with 327L. Have you tried non-RAID before? Before you decided on RAID0, or RAID1 transfer speed? Anyway I assume you have a huge backup around, RAID0 is only for speed, no redundancy to back it up in case a drive fail. |
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Dec 29 2013, 10:34 PM
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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Dec 21 2013, 07:42 PM) Best to get the Green series for CCTV, WDC AV-GP series is designed for CCTV purpose, good for 24/7 running, also 1-year more warranty than the normal Green series. At the end, i bought RED and lets hope the extra money give me peace of mind |
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Dec 29 2013, 10:52 PM
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Just finished setup my new Synology DS213j 3TB (WD-RED) - RAID 1 last weekend and migrated all my files from my old D-Link DNS323 500GB - RAID1.
Tested the single file (5.29GB) transfer from my iMac to DS213j via Gigabit LAN. Time spent about 2 mins and the writing speed to NAS is average 60MB/s to 85MB/s, highest speed rate at 100MB/s. I am very pleased with the result of my upgrade! 
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Dec 29 2013, 10:54 PM
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QUOTE(sinstudio @ Dec 27 2013, 11:32 PM) Hi all, i'm new with NAS system. i bought a synology ds213j running RAID 1. Here's the question i hv: I am using the DS213j as well.1. how to setup 'remote access' ? my router is innacomm w400v6 (free frm TM when apply streamxy) 2. How to set the router configuration? What kind of remote access you are referring? How you plan to remote access your NAS? via what app? I am using iOS Synology DS Apps, i just port forward 5000 and 5005 from my router to my NAS and it works over Internet. |
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Dec 30 2013, 12:04 AM
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QUOTE(philipcs @ Dec 29 2013, 10:54 PM) I am using the DS213j as well. means i can connect my NAS anywhere, via internet. how u setting ur port forwarding?What kind of remote access you are referring? How you plan to remote access your NAS? via what app? I am using iOS Synology DS Apps, i just port forward 5000 and 5005 from my router to my NAS and it works over Internet. |
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Dec 31 2013, 08:15 AM
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QUOTE(philipcs @ Dec 29 2013, 10:52 PM) Just finished setup my new Synology DS213j 3TB (WD-RED) - RAID 1 last weekend and migrated all my files from my old D-Link DNS323 500GB - RAID1. wow...gigabit pan can reach such high speed? Tested the single file (5.29GB) transfer from my iMac to DS213j via Gigabit LAN. Time spent about 2 mins and the writing speed to NAS is average 60MB/s to 85MB/s, highest speed rate at 100MB/s. I am very pleased with the result of my upgrade!
 kesian my gigabit,only can reach around 50+mbps |
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Dec 31 2013, 09:09 AM
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Ds213j how much ar?
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Dec 31 2013, 09:18 AM
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Dec 31 2013, 09:09 AM) Ds213j how much ar? https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...30797&hl=ds213jRM690... Ok, possibly just my opinion but kinda expensive, haha... Not being offence but DIY still kinda feels cheaper... DLink is a good choice, for a start... |
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Dec 31 2013, 09:42 AM
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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Dec 31 2013, 09:18 AM) https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...30797&hl=ds213j That day i was at Jayacom...there is this dunno Netgear model...4 bay RM 8xx or RM9xx, slightly under RM1k.RM690... Ok, possibly just my opinion but kinda expensive, haha... Not being offence but DIY still kinda feels cheaper... DLink is a good choice, for a start... Dunno if it's slow like turtle also....forgot model.. RM690 kinda expensive ....Dlink-327 seems like more worthwhile buy... btw, when you mentioned DIY, do you mean using old PC for NAS?? kinda clunky and big...not too mention power sucking.....not ideal... |
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Dec 31 2013, 03:11 PM
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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Dec 29 2013, 06:16 PM) OH!! RAID0!! No wonder. Have not try non RAID yet Have you tried non-RAID before? Before you decided on RAID0, or RAID1 transfer speed? Anyway I assume you have a huge backup around, RAID0 is only for speed, no redundancy to back it up in case a drive fail. |
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Dec 31 2013, 04:43 PM
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Dec 31 2013, 09:42 AM) That day i was at Jayacom...there is this dunno Netgear model...4 bay RM 8xx or RM9xx, slightly under RM1k. Old PC? Power sucking? LOL, my 24/7 torrenting box is not even more than 30W, DIY PC with the below specs:Dunno if it's slow like turtle also....forgot model.. RM690 kinda expensive ....Dlink-327 seems like more worthwhile buy... btw, when you mentioned DIY, do you mean using old PC for NAS?? kinda clunky and big...not too mention power sucking.....not ideal... Core 2 Duo E8400 @ 1.6GHz, 0.95V 1x 2GB RAM 1x 500GB HDD 3x 2TB HDD Unknown brand PSU 2x 120mm fan @ 5v mod CM Elite 310 (M-ATX) Oh no, PC nowadays is great at power management, not the Pentium 4 era. Future plan is Bitfenix m-ITX case, mainboard though is a pain to find. May not be anyone cup of tea for DIY, troublesome on the first time setup. |
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Dec 31 2013, 05:04 PM
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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Dec 31 2013, 04:43 PM) Old PC? Power sucking? LOL, my 24/7 torrenting box is not even more than 30W, DIY PC with the below specs: C2D does not qualify as "OLD PC" bro... Core 2 Duo E8400 @ 1.6GHz, 0.95V 1x 2GB RAM 1x 500GB HDD 3x 2TB HDD Unknown brand PSU 2x 120mm fan @ 5v mod CM Elite 310 (M-ATX) Oh no, PC nowadays is great at power management, not the Pentium 4 era. Future plan is Bitfenix m-ITX case, mainboard though is a pain to find. May not be anyone cup of tea for DIY, troublesome on the first time setup. I don't have any C2D or any PC lying around for that matter...but it is still too bulky. I live in small apartment...dun wanna have another PC box lying around. I just built an M-ITX rig with an ASROCK mobo for my sis-in-law...quiet big even for M-ITX casing...anyway, it cost RM2K++, so definitely out of my NAS budget to build a new PC just for this. |
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Jan 1 2014, 04:23 PM
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Bought a new Dns-327L...much better writing speed...around 60MB/s....unfortunately, streaming HD from this device is still a no-no...video will halt momentary every now and then just like the DNS-320l. I don't think it's a bandwidth or read speed not fast enough issue.
If i share a folder from the NAS and stream from my PC using TVERSITY, then there is no issue and can play smoothyly... This will even use up more bandwidth with data transfer from NAS->PC--->Android Box, yet it does better. My conclusion: Forget about NAS streaming HD movies....they don't have the processing power to do it or the streaming application sucks.... Haiz...Maybe those high-end NAS will do better. |
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Jan 1 2014, 04:30 PM
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jan 1 2014, 04:23 PM) Bought a new Dns-327L...much better writing speed...around 60MB/s....unfortunately, streaming HD from this device is still a no-no...video will halt momentary every now and then just like the DNS-320l. I don't think it's a bandwidth or read speed not fast enough issue. Bro, since we're using the same NAS perhaps you may help me with this. Can I share my NAS with a friend remotely but only limited folders? I am facing difficulty to set this up.If i share a folder from the NAS and stream from my PC using TVERSITY, then there is no issue and can play smoothyly... This will even use up more bandwidth with data transfer from NAS->PC--->Android Box, yet it does better. My conclusion: Forget about NAS streaming HD movies....they don't have the processing power to do it or the streaming application sucks.... Haiz...Maybe those high-end NAS will do better. |
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Jan 1 2014, 04:44 PM
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QUOTE(The Wonder @ Jan 1 2014, 04:30 PM) Bro, since we're using the same NAS perhaps you may help me with this. Can I share my NAS with a friend remotely but only limited folders? I am facing difficulty to set this up. Don't think have this feature...i have used a higher end Thecus N4200 in the office, that has this feature.Solution: Google Drive lah... |
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Jan 1 2014, 04:48 PM
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jan 1 2014, 04:44 PM) Don't think have this feature...i have used a higher end Thecus N4200 in the office, that has this feature. Ah..... Thanks Solution: Google Drive lah... |
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Jan 1 2014, 05:06 PM
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QUOTE(sinstudio @ Dec 30 2013, 12:04 AM) means i can connect my NAS anywhere, via internet. how u setting ur port forwarding? Depend on your router model, shouldn't be hard to do port forwarding.Once you have done the port forwarding on your router, then you need to configure your DS213J and install apps on your iOS or Android devices. For this, refer to this step by step video guide - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsZQV3sSeFY |
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Jan 1 2014, 05:29 PM
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jan 1 2014, 04:23 PM) Bought a new Dns-327L...much better writing speed...around 60MB/s....unfortunately, streaming HD from this device is still a no-no...video will halt momentary every now and then just like the DNS-320l. I don't think it's a bandwidth or read speed not fast enough issue. Since this NAS have Dlna or upnp, it should be streaming alright. Try to check along the line. Router, switch etc. If i share a folder from the NAS and stream from my PC using TVERSITY, then there is no issue and can play smoothyly... This will even use up more bandwidth with data transfer from NAS->PC--->Android Box, yet it does better. My conclusion: Forget about NAS streaming HD movies....they don't have the processing power to do it or the streaming application sucks.... Haiz...Maybe those high-end NAS will do better. Snology below rm1k, can stream hd without any problem. Even my old Synology just upgrade the fw can do the HD streaming without problem. But not 3d. Since the bitrate for 3d is much higher. (I still haven't solve the 3d streaming problem. Either router or the NAS) I don't see any speed figure on this NAS in their website. |
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Jan 1 2014, 05:35 PM
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QUOTE(philipcs @ Jan 1 2014, 05:06 PM) Depend on your router model, shouldn't be hard to do port forwarding. Don't forget the IP tracking too. DNS.Once you have done the port forwarding on your router, then you need to configure your DS213J and install apps on your iOS or Android devices. For this, refer to this step by step video guide - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsZQV3sSeFY |
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Jan 1 2014, 06:50 PM
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QUOTE(ozak @ Jan 1 2014, 05:29 PM) Since this NAS have Dlna or upnp, it should be streaming alright. Try to check along the line. Router, switch etc. Bro...this is dlink. ..rm 385..synology cheapest also double the price....Snology below rm1k, can stream hd without any problem. Even my old Synology just upgrade the fw can do the HD streaming without problem. But not 3d. Since the bitrate for 3d is much higher. (I still haven't solve the 3d streaming problem. Either router or the NAS) I don't see any speed figure on this NAS in their website. I believe it's the processing power or buffering not enough...no such issue when using pc to stream pointing to the same NAS as mentioned above... Btw, the file I test above 10GB. |
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Jan 1 2014, 08:42 PM
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jan 1 2014, 06:50 PM) Bro...this is dlink. ..rm 385..synology cheapest also double the price.... Fully agree! If you just want NAS for storage, I think DLink is doing pretty good job. Transfer rate is fast on Gigabits LAN too.I believe it's the processing power or buffering not enough...no such issue when using pc to stream pointing to the same NAS as mentioned above... Btw, the file I test above 10GB. |
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Jan 1 2014, 11:47 PM
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jan 1 2014, 06:50 PM) Bro...this is dlink. ..rm 385..synology cheapest also double the price.... Than don't complain. You know that good thing not cheap. If a Synology is rm600+ can do the job, than just save another rm300+. I believe it's the processing power or buffering not enough...no such issue when using pc to stream pointing to the same NAS as mentioned above... Btw, the file I test above 10GB. It is not true that " Forget about NAS streaming HD movies...." I been streaming HD movie from NAS over many yrs. the media player can't hold that much HD movie. |
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Jan 2 2014, 07:05 AM
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QUOTE(ozak @ Jan 1 2014, 11:47 PM) Than don't complain. You know that good thing not cheap. If a Synology is rm600+ can do the job, than just save another rm300+. You so lansi for what? I am just sharing info here. It's not like i know the performance of this thing until i actually use it. So you have one that works for you, great. If you don't have knowledge about other models. STFU. It just show your stupidity by assuming all NAS has same performance. It is not true that " Forget about NAS streaming HD movies...." I been streaming HD movie from NAS over many yrs. the media player can't hold that much HD movie. And you quoted me out of context: QUOTE Forget about NAS streaming HD movies....they don't have the processing power to do it or the streaming application sucks.... Haiz...Maybe those high-end NAS will do better. I was simpy referring to my model......some people so perasan.... To other people interested in sharing info(not just to show off how powderful and expensive his NAS is or being perasan....): Some further testing on the 327L reveals: 1) The previous problem with the HD video streaming from NAS-->Android box seems to be resolved with using a different app (ES File Explorer) by just reading directly from the folder...i am not sure how's the protocol in this works, maybe it bypass the UPNP thing. Now it is as good as streaming from my PC using TVERSITY. Previously, i was using SKIFTA as client to stream from the NAS. 2) Another thing i discovered, the file previously having problem streaming directly from NAS has a DTS-ES soundtrack...for some reason, streaming from the DLINK UPNP can't passthrough this soundtrack. I tried another file with only DTS and it seems fine. Solution: 1) Use PC to stream using TVERSITY for all movies will work 100% (but means PC needs to turn on). 2) Stream directly to Android Box using ES Explorer (add the path to the network) and play directly as shared file using MX Player. Possible cause: Probably UPNP in the DLINK not enough processing power or can't handle some soundtrack format. This post has been edited by Matrix: Jan 2 2014, 07:11 AM |
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Jan 2 2014, 07:55 AM
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jan 2 2014, 07:05 AM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Some further testing on the 327L reveals: 1) The previous problem with the HD video streaming from NAS-->Android box seems to be resolved with using a different app (ES File Explorer) by just reading directly from the folder...i am not sure how's the protocol in this works, maybe it bypass the UPNP thing. Now it is as good as streaming from my PC using TVERSITY. Previously, i was using SKIFTA as client to stream from the NAS. 2) Another thing i discovered, the file previously having problem streaming directly from NAS has a DTS-ES soundtrack...for some reason, streaming from the DLINK UPNP can't passthrough this soundtrack. I tried another file with only DTS and it seems fine. Solution: 1) Use PC to stream using TVERSITY for all movies will work 100% (but means PC needs to turn on). 2) Stream directly to Android Box using ES Explorer (add the path to the network) and play directly as shared file using MX Player. Possible cause: Probably UPNP in the DLINK not enough processing power or can't handle some soundtrack format. Can you now seek the movie without pause too much? (Jump chapters, forward) You using Gbps LAN right? DNS-327L uses some very low-end embedded CPU (Marvell Armada 300: http://www.marvell.com/embedded-processors/armada-300/) |
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Jan 2 2014, 07:58 AM
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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Jan 2 2014, 07:55 AM) Oh... good info, didn't know Android uses UPNP to stream, kinda stupid to force the NAS to work harder, read directly using SMB is a better choice I think, just like using the ES File Explorer. Usually i use Skifta, that doesn't have SMB. Yes, definitely on Gigabit LAN. Will try to test the skip/pause thing later tonight.Can you now seek the movie without pause too much? (Jump chapters, forward) You using Gbps LAN right? DNS-327L uses some very low-end embedded CPU (Marvell Armada 300: http://www.marvell.com/embedded-processors/armada-300/) For comparison between 320L and 327L, the UI in 327L is a lot faster and responsive btw...well at least some of money got it's value back... |
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Jan 2 2014, 08:30 AM
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jan 1 2014, 04:23 PM) Bought a new Dns-327L...much better writing speed...around 60MB/s....unfortunately, streaming HD from this device is still a no-no...video will halt momentary every now and then just like the DNS-320l. I don't think it's a bandwidth or read speed not fast enough issue. I am using a DLINK DNS-320 with 2 x 3 TB drives. I have stuttering issues when streaming HD movies via normal SMB share (windows workgroup share). But if I switch it to NFS share, the result improved tremendously! I can stream a 4 GB 1080p mkv file with barely any jerkiness.If i share a folder from the NAS and stream from my PC using TVERSITY, then there is no issue and can play smoothyly... This will even use up more bandwidth with data transfer from NAS->PC--->Android Box, yet it does better. My conclusion: Forget about NAS streaming HD movies....they don't have the processing power to do it or the streaming application sucks.... Haiz...Maybe those high-end NAS will do better. However I am using raspberry pi on XBMC as my media player, that might be the difference here. |
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Jan 2 2014, 09:15 AM
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QUOTE(jackyyong @ Jan 2 2014, 08:30 AM) I am using a DLINK DNS-320 with 2 x 3 TB drives. I have stuttering issues when streaming HD movies via normal SMB share (windows workgroup share). But if I switch it to NFS share, the result improved tremendously! I can stream a 4 GB 1080p mkv file with barely any jerkiness. I think it has nothing to do with Rasberry pi or XBMC. The DLINK works better with NFS protocol i think. When i use ES EXPLORER to access the file, maybe it's NFS protocol in the works? (not sure) Hence the much improvement. My files over 10GB.However I am using raspberry pi on XBMC as my media player, that might be the difference here. |
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Jan 2 2014, 09:35 AM
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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Jan 2 2014, 07:55 AM) Oh... good info, didn't know Android uses UPNP to stream, kinda stupid to force the NAS to work harder, read directly using SMB is a better choice I think, just like using the ES File Explorer. Sharing my experience of streaming HD files (max file is 35GB 1080p bluray remux) from my NAS. Using Dlink DNS-343 (2Tb*4) and my latest addition is Seagate BlackArmor 440 (3Tb*4), both on RAID-5.Can you now seek the movie without pause too much? (Jump chapters, forward) You using Gbps LAN right? DNS-327L uses some very low-end embedded CPU (Marvell Armada 300: http://www.marvell.com/embedded-processors/armada-300/) Both streaming HD files with no lags at all, using SMB. All other services is turned off. Using DNS 343 for the last 3 years+ with no issues. Despite what other people ranted about the BlackArmor, I find no issues on stability so far, except for the power adapter dead within 1st week of usage (decided to get a reputable 3rd party power adapter instead of claiming warranty, beggars cannot be choosers for a cheapo 4 bay NAS on sale RM599). Yes, the write speed is slower than average NAS but read speed is good enough for HD streaming and that is all that matters for a NAS with redundancy feature for me. Just make sure firmware is updated to latest beforehand. I stream on Gb LAN and 5Ghz Wifi. Playback devices are Windows based PC with Windows Media Center, and low powered machine using XBMC. This post has been edited by edministrator: Jan 2 2014, 09:38 AM WaNaWe900 liked this post
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Jan 2 2014, 09:59 AM
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QUOTE(edministrator @ Jan 2 2014, 09:35 AM) Sharing my experience of streaming HD files (max file is 35GB 1080p bluray remux) from my NAS. Using Dlink DNS-343 (2Tb*4) and my latest addition is Seagate BlackArmor 440 (3Tb*4), both on RAID-5. Nice Sharing! Both streaming HD files with no lags at all, using SMB. All other services is turned off. Using DNS 343 for the last 3 years+ with no issues. Despite what other people ranted about the BlackArmor, I find no issues on stability so far, except for the power adapter dead within 1st week of usage (decided to get a reputable 3rd party power adapter instead of claiming warranty, beggars cannot be choosers for a cheapo 4 bay NAS on sale RM599). Yes, the write speed is slower than average NAS but read speed is good enough for HD streaming and that is all that matters for a NAS with redundancy feature for me. Just make sure firmware is updated to latest beforehand. I stream on Gb LAN and 5Ghz Wifi. Playback devices are Windows based PC with Windows Media Center, and low powered machine using XBMC. Hmm...this BlackArmor thingy, never see in shops....is it not available anymore? |
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Jan 2 2014, 10:25 AM
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jan 2 2014, 09:59 AM) Nice Sharing! viewnet stock clearance in lowyat. bought it last month Hmm...this BlackArmor thingy, never see in shops....is it not available anymore? i did a test for the RAID feature before I confidently dumped my data into it. copying 100GB data to it, and during halfway operation I unplugged one of the HDD. copying persists but warning on the LCD and console (also to my email) that RAID degraded. After finished copying with only 3 HDD, I replugged the 4th HDD, it rebuilds flawlessly. After rebuild I shut down and repowered, the system still works as intended. This post has been edited by edministrator: Jan 2 2014, 10:31 AM |
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Jan 2 2014, 12:35 PM
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QUOTE(edministrator @ Jan 2 2014, 10:25 AM) viewnet stock clearance in lowyat. bought it last month If you are going with RAID 5, I would suggeat you back up your precious photos and videos elsewhere. If the NAS die...all your data in HDD bye bye...if Raid 1, you still can pull it out and use as standalone disk elsewhere. i did a test for the RAID feature before I confidently dumped my data into it. copying 100GB data to it, and during halfway operation I unplugged one of the HDD. copying persists but warning on the LCD and console (also to my email) that RAID degraded. After finished copying with only 3 HDD, I replugged the 4th HDD, it rebuilds flawlessly. After rebuild I shut down and repowered, the system still works as intended. Anyay..Rm600 cheap...what is the write speed you achieved? |
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Jan 2 2014, 01:14 PM
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jan 2 2014, 12:35 PM) If you are going with RAID 5, I would suggeat you back up your precious photos and videos elsewhere. If the NAS die...all your data in HDD bye bye...if Raid 1, you still can pull it out and use as standalone disk elsewhere. not really bye bye, can rebuild it on a PC with recovery software Anyay..Rm600 cheap...what is the write speed you achieved? achieved writespeed 15MB/s averagely took me around 5 days to transfer all 7Tb of dataThis post has been edited by edministrator: Jan 2 2014, 01:24 PM WaNaWe900 liked this post
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Jan 2 2014, 01:32 PM
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QUOTE(edministrator @ Jan 2 2014, 01:14 PM) not really bye bye, can rebuild it on a PC with recovery software Is it? Never tried before. But you need to connect all 4 HHD to recover and rebuld the RAID? Still, it's dangerous, don't want to take suh risks with my precious data. If downloaded movies never mind...don't even bother to RAID...just dump all in a USB Box only. Can always download back... achieved writespeed 15MB/s averagely took me around 5 days to transfer all 7Tb of data15MB/s...i think about same rate with the 320L....best can go up to 20MB/s i think. |
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Jan 2 2014, 01:38 PM
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jan 2 2014, 01:32 PM) Is it? Never tried before. But you need to connect all 4 HHD to recover and rebuld the RAID? Still, it's dangerous, don't want to take suh risks with my precious data. If downloaded movies never mind...don't even bother to RAID...just dump all in a USB Box only. Can always download back... I am also having this concern therefore i just re-use my old DNS323 + 1.5TB (JBOD) + Fun_Plug + RSYNC to build a rsync server to backup my Synology.15MB/s...i think about same rate with the 320L....best can go up to 20MB/s i think. But the rsync transfer speed is Sooooooo slow..... average 2MB/s |
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Jan 2 2014, 01:48 PM
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QUOTE(philipcs @ Jan 2 2014, 01:38 PM) I am also having this concern therefore i just re-use my old DNS323 + 1.5TB (JBOD) + Fun_Plug + RSYNC to build a rsync server to backup my Synology. 2 MB/s...thumbdrive also faster wei... But the rsync transfer speed is Sooooooo slow..... average 2MB/s ..Have you tried using a PC, point to both NAS and copy or just a backup application to copy instead? Can be much faster. |
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Jan 2 2014, 01:52 PM
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jan 2 2014, 01:32 PM) Is it? Never tried before. But you need to connect all 4 HHD to recover and rebuld the RAID? Still, it's dangerous, don't want to take suh risks with my precious data. If downloaded movies never mind...don't even bother to RAID...just dump all in a USB Box only. Can always download back... Using any 3 out of the 4 hdd will do in order to recover the stripped data. any type of setup also will have risk, up to us to weigh the risk factor.15MB/s...i think about same rate with the 320L....best can go up to 20MB/s i think. yes, the speed is pretty similar to 320L but 320L in my experience can have a much higher read throughput compared to the seagate black armor. (20-25MB/s for blackarmor vs 30-35MB/s 320L) This post has been edited by edministrator: Jan 2 2014, 01:52 PM |
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Jan 2 2014, 01:55 PM
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QUOTE(edministrator @ Jan 2 2014, 01:52 PM) Using any 3 out of the 4 hdd will do in order to recover the stripped data. any type of setup also will have risk, up to us to weigh the risk factor. What software do you use for the recovery?yes, the speed is pretty similar to 320L but 320L in my experience can have a much higher read throughput compared to the seagate black armor. (20-25MB/s for blackarmor vs 30-35MB/s 320L) Yeah, under certain condition the 320L can read up to 60MB/s...i think depends on file size...smaller files/bigger files will affect the speed. I remember i can achieve 40MB/s to 60MB/s from the 320l when copying to my USB 3.0 box connected to my PC. |
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Jan 2 2014, 02:00 PM
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jan 2 2014, 01:55 PM) What software do you use for the recovery? R-Studio is one of the recovery software that works for me.Yeah, under certain condition the 320L can read up to 60MB/s...i think depends on file size...smaller files/bigger files will affect the speed. I remember i can achieve 40MB/s to 60MB/s from the 320l when copying to my USB 3.0 box connected to my PC. This post has been edited by edministrator: Jan 2 2014, 02:02 PM |
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Jan 2 2014, 02:10 PM
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QUOTE(edministrator @ Jan 2 2014, 02:00 PM) Thanks will try it out when free! |
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Jan 2 2014, 02:22 PM
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jan 2 2014, 01:48 PM) 2 MB/s...thumbdrive also faster wei... The rsync backup is initiated by Synology backup application. Seems like rsync is slow and should manually copy the data like you mentioned, then subsequent incremental / differential backup can be handled by rsync. ..Have you tried using a PC, point to both NAS and copy or just a backup application to copy instead? Can be much faster. |
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Jan 2 2014, 03:44 PM
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QUOTE(philipcs @ Jan 1 2014, 08:42 PM) Fully agree! If you just want NAS for storage, I think DLink is doing pretty good job. Transfer rate is fast on Gigabits LAN too. I think best bang for the buck is the HP Microserver. N36L or N40L if you can still get them Can run your own choice of OS and in a way not subjected to proprietary software in the event of a recovery. Upgrade memory and be close to a powerful higher budgeted NAS.QUOTE(edministrator @ Jan 2 2014, 10:25 AM) viewnet stock clearance in lowyat. bought it last month How long did it take to rebuild?i did a test for the RAID feature before I confidently dumped my data into it. copying 100GB data to it, and during halfway operation I unplugged one of the HDD. copying persists but warning on the LCD and console (also to my email) that RAID degraded. After finished copying with only 3 HDD, I replugged the 4th HDD, it rebuilds flawlessly. After rebuild I shut down and repowered, the system still works as intended. QUOTE(edministrator @ Jan 2 2014, 01:14 PM) not really bye bye, can rebuild it on a PC with recovery software 15MB/s? achieved writespeed 15MB/s averagely took me around 5 days to transfer all 7Tb of data QUOTE(philipcs @ Jan 2 2014, 01:38 PM) I am also having this concern therefore i just re-use my old DNS323 + 1.5TB (JBOD) + Fun_Plug + RSYNC to build a rsync server to backup my Synology. 2MB/s? If your internet bandwidth is fast enough, use that instead. If the data is not important, you can always redownload.But the rsync transfer speed is Sooooooo slow..... average 2MB/s |
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Jan 2 2014, 05:33 PM
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jan 2 2014, 03:44 PM) I think best bang for the buck is the HP Microserver. N36L or N40L if you can still get them Can run your own choice of OS and in a way not subjected to proprietary software in the event of a recovery. Upgrade memory and be close to a powerful higher budgeted NAS. This is running on Windows Storage Server right? I think i saw similar from other brands..how much is this? The one i saw is about RM4k.......---- Updated from C-ZONE pricelist. WD SENTINEL DX4000 4TB RM 3499 WD SENTINEL DX4000 8TB RM 4999 Ok..maybe got hdd inside.This post has been edited by Matrix: Jan 2 2014, 05:35 PM |
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Jan 2 2014, 06:04 PM
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jan 2 2014, 03:44 PM) I think best bang for the buck is the HP Microserver. N36L or N40L if you can still get them Can run your own choice of OS and in a way not subjected to proprietary software in the event of a recovery. Upgrade memory and be close to a powerful higher budgeted NAS. yes, i know the 'want' for speed in writing, lol. but seriously, it's enough for storage and I do not expect miracles from RM599 stuff. The read speed is good enough for me to stream HD without hiccups/lags, that's all that matters to me How long did it take to rebuild? 15MB/s? 2MB/s? If your internet bandwidth is fast enough, use that instead. If the data is not important, you can always redownload. i tested rebuild for 2TB of data, takes around 16 hours. |
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Jan 2 2014, 06:46 PM
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jan 2 2014, 05:33 PM) This is running on Windows Storage Server right? I think i saw similar from other brands..how much is this? The one i saw is about RM4k.... Well the one I'm referring to is from HP. The one you are referring to is the WD Sentinel which only uses the WD enterprise class RE drives which are bloody expensive. Performance is so so only. You are better off with a Synology for the same price....---- Updated from C-ZONE pricelist. WD SENTINEL DX4000 4TB RM 3499 WD SENTINEL DX4000 8TB RM 4999 Ok..maybe got hdd inside.The HP Microserver does not come with an OS. You can put anything inside it. Run Unix or Windows OSes and have your 4 hardisk (more than 4 hardisk have to do a little hacking) run in different RAID modes. Some people even run Synology's DSM on these HP Microservers and find them faster than using them on Synology's own hardware. QUOTE(edministrator @ Jan 2 2014, 06:04 PM) yes, i know the 'want' for speed in writing, lol. but seriously, it's enough for storage and I do not expect miracles from RM599 stuff. The read speed is good enough for me to stream HD without hiccups/lags, that's all that matters to me If you can find the Microserver N36L or N40L (difference is only in the AMD processor clock) which should not be more than RM 600 or so (somebody can update on this nd their availability?) i tested rebuild for 2TB of data, takes around 16 hours.I'm currently running 2 N36Ls. One at 8GB memory with 4 x 3TB WD Red running WHS 2011 and the other one at 16GB memory with 4 x 2TB Samsung F4E running Windows Server 2008 R2. I stream full bluray iso across the Gigabit network with no problems. Both do not have problems hitting 100 to 120 MB/s transfer rates across the network. |
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Jan 2 2014, 07:03 PM
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15,022 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Damansara Jaya/Bandar Utama
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jan 2 2014, 06:46 PM) Well the one I'm referring to is from HP. The one you are referring to is the WD Sentinel which only uses the WD enterprise class RE drives which are bloody expensive. Performance is so so only. You are better off with a Synology for the same price. Sounds like very good option...RM600 for a 4 bay NAS!!!The HP Microserver does not come with an OS. You can put anything inside it. Run Unix or Windows OSes and have your 4 hardisk (more than 4 hardisk have to do a little hacking) run in different RAID modes. Some people even run Synology's DSM on these HP Microservers and find them faster than using them on Synology's own hardware. If you can find the Microserver N36L or N40L (difference is only in the AMD processor clock) which should not be more than RM 600 or so (somebody can update on this nd their availability?) I'm currently running 2 N36Ls. One at 8GB memory with 4 x 3TB WD Red running WHS 2011 and the other one at 16GB memory with 4 x 2TB Samsung F4E running Windows Server 2008 R2. I stream full bluray iso across the Gigabit network with no problems. Both do not have problems hitting 100 to 120 MB/s transfer rates across the network. |
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Jan 2 2014, 07:37 PM
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jan 2 2014, 07:03 PM) Sounds like very good option...RM600 for a 4 bay NAS!!! but where to buy? |
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Jan 2 2014, 07:45 PM
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IMO, NAS don't last long even for branded ones.
I have a Drobo 1st Gen and within 2 years, unit decided to kaput and destroyed all my data. Can't even recover them. So, I did the best thing. Wipe all drives clean and start over. Luckily, my old Buffalo NAS still have some old data so I don't have to start from scratch. Since then, I bought a cheap PC, 2 pieces of USB 3.0 PCI-E cards (total 4 ports) and some external USB 3.0 cases. I have 4 USB 3.0 hard drive cases each with 2TB. I used 4TB for data and another 4TB for software mirroring from Windows 7. |
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Jan 2 2014, 08:08 PM
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15,022 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Damansara Jaya/Bandar Utama
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QUOTE(acbc @ Jan 2 2014, 07:45 PM) IMO, NAS don't last long even for branded ones. May i ask what RAID you use for your drobo??I have a Drobo 1st Gen and within 2 years, unit decided to kaput and destroyed all my data. Can't even recover them. So, I did the best thing. Wipe all drives clean and start over. Luckily, my old Buffalo NAS still have some old data so I don't have to start from scratch. Since then, I bought a cheap PC, 2 pieces of USB 3.0 PCI-E cards (total 4 ports) and some external USB 3.0 cases. I have 4 USB 3.0 hard drive cases each with 2TB. I used 4TB for data and another 4TB for software mirroring from Windows 7. |
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Jan 2 2014, 09:39 PM
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jan 2 2014, 08:08 PM) May i ask what RAID you use for your drobo?? Drobo 1st Gen used proprietary RAID system. Because of that, u can mix and match any hard drive make, capacity or spec to gain extra storage. I guess it doesn't have any redundancy. |
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Jan 2 2014, 11:48 PM
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jan 2 2014, 07:03 PM) Sounds like very good option...RM600 for a 4 bay NAS!!! Need to check still available or not. HP clears their stock and price can be even lower.QUOTE(edministrator @ Jan 2 2014, 07:37 PM) but where to buy? Can try HP shops?There was quite a bit of discussion on the Microserver availability in the older NAS thread. We also discussed how if we could build our own small form factor NAS which could house 4 drives using available parts. Came to the conclusion that cost wise, we could never be competitive and build one under 1k. Perhaps now can? I haven't checked out yet. QUOTE(acbc @ Jan 2 2014, 07:45 PM) IMO, NAS don't last long even for branded ones. Drobo is a new player. When Drobo first came out, they were notorious. Not cheap either and the pricing puts me off. No idea how they are now.I have a Drobo 1st Gen and within 2 years, unit decided to kaput and destroyed all my data. Can't even recover them. So, I did the best thing. Wipe all drives clean and start over. Luckily, my old Buffalo NAS still have some old data so I don't have to start from scratch. Famous photographer Scott Kelby had his fair share of Drobo problems. It is very unfortunate if problems start happening to someone who makes money on pics and images that's stored over the years and starts to go missing. http://scottkelby.com/2012/im-done-with-drobo/ Well, so far I must say that big players such as Synology and QNAP have good support even with their older products. If you don't want proprietary software / hardware, then using Windows built-in mirroring is pretty safe. QUOTE(acbc @ Jan 2 2014, 07:45 PM) Since then, I bought a cheap PC, 2 pieces of USB 3.0 PCI-E cards (total 4 ports) and some external USB 3.0 cases. I have 4 USB 3.0 hard drive cases each with 2TB. I used 4TB for data and another 4TB for software mirroring from Windows 7. As you know, a PC takes more power and space.Anyway, forgot to mention that with one of my Microservers, I have an eSATA 4 bay external box attached to it. I have to install a Silicon Image PCIe card into the Microserver to provide the eSATA ports as the eSATA port on the Microserver is not PM aware. Anyway, no biggie since there is space and that the eSATA 4 bay box came with the eSATA card. And that is why I like the Microserver. I can add a 2 port Gigabit PCIe card or even a 10Gbe PCIe card if you're adventurous enough. Some people even put a HD6000 series graphics card and use it as a HTPC. |
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Jan 3 2014, 12:04 AM
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I have HP microserver N36L. You can read about my detailed review on this in my blog. Wow..can't believe my HP microserver is 3 years old already!!!
This is definitely the BEST NAS solution for me. It has gone through few Ubuntu versions. Still running great! You can install anything on it since it is running full fledge OS. Throw it linux or windows or even something like Openfiler (storage management software like those in NAS). And you can do anything with it. Torrenting, web hosting, XBMC, DLNA server, file sharing and so on. |
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Jan 3 2014, 12:56 AM
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just sharing my experience using my 1st NAS unit for nearly 6 months now. It's a synology 213j. Using it mostly as a torrentbox n media server.
It's connected to the unifi router provided by TM via LAN. So far working flawlessly with my LG LA7400 tv via LG smart function on wifi. no issues with 3D OU files over 15gb size. I am able to play movies on my 1080p movies on my PC n TV at the same time both on wifi. The tv is able to detect the 213j without doing any setup. I'm not tht IT savy enough even though most reviewer mentioned synology hv one of the most user friendly software to setup. Luckily I hv a friend helped me out setting the port forwards and iron out the issues with ddns. |
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Jan 3 2014, 12:24 PM
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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Jan 2 2014, 07:55 AM) Oh... good info, didn't know Android uses UPNP to stream, kinda stupid to force the NAS to work harder, read directly using SMB is a better choice I think, just like using the ES File Explorer. Tested jumping foward. So far ok, need to wait a little while but resumes nicely afterwards. Can you now seek the movie without pause too much? (Jump chapters, forward) You using Gbps LAN right? DNS-327L uses some very low-end embedded CPU (Marvell Armada 300: http://www.marvell.com/embedded-processors/armada-300/) |
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Jan 3 2014, 12:53 PM
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I'm using N36L as well for 3 years + 24/7... I can feel the PSU starting to give up as the PSU fan is noisy...
Running on Windows 2008 R2 and so far so good! Wish to have this though... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16816401170 |
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Jan 3 2014, 02:11 PM
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QUOTE(thankyou @ Jan 3 2014, 12:53 PM) I'm using N36L as well for 3 years + 24/7... I can feel the PSU starting to give up as the PSU fan is noisy... How much you bought your N36L? Within RM600?Running on Windows 2008 R2 and so far so good! Wish to have this though... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16816401170 What's the PSU size? Is it the non-standard size that's used in some shuttle chassis? I am planning for future (if board still available) on DIY Mini-ITX 4~6 HDDs NAS with below specs: ASROCK E35LM1 Mini-ITX [RM 190] Bitfenix Phenom Mini-ITX [RM 279] 1x 4GB RAM [RM 120] FSP 500W PSU [RM 150] Total [RM 739] If the HP N36L is RM600 and below then DIY project is not value any more, what do you all say? In my case, I'll probably break the RM 800 barrier as I'm living in the East so postage fees is another issue to be considered. But I do think the above performance will beat the HP N36L, but lack the ease of installing HDD and the size of the chassis will probably turn off some.  |
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Jan 3 2014, 03:10 PM
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QUOTE(abubin @ Jan 3 2014, 12:04 AM) I have HP microserver N36L. You can read about my detailed review on this in my blog. Wow..can't believe my HP microserver is 3 years old already!!! Old kakis come out already. This is definitely the BEST NAS solution for me. It has gone through few Ubuntu versions. Still running great! You can install anything on it since it is running full fledge OS. Throw it linux or windows or even something like Openfiler (storage management software like those in NAS). And you can do anything with it. Torrenting, web hosting, XBMC, DLNA server, file sharing and so on.  QUOTE(thankyou @ Jan 3 2014, 12:53 PM) I'm using N36L as well for 3 years + 24/7... I can feel the PSU starting to give up as the PSU fan is noisy... Wah, you want to manage server remotely? Tried to find on ebay yet?Running on Windows 2008 R2 and so far so good! Wish to have this though... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16816401170 QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Jan 3 2014, 02:11 PM) How much you bought your N36L? Within RM600? Nice find, especially on the casing. Budget is pretty close. I believe you only get to use 4 x hardisk as there are only 4 SATA3 ports on the motherboard. With the Microserver, if you include the bundled OS drive and shift it in the DVDROM area, you can fit 5 drives in total.What's the PSU size? Is it the non-standard size that's used in some shuttle chassis? I am planning for future (if board still available) on DIY Mini-ITX 4~6 HDDs NAS with below specs: ASROCK E35LM1 Mini-ITX [RM 190] Bitfenix Phenom Mini-ITX [RM 279] 1x 4GB RAM [RM 120] FSP 500W PSU [RM 150] Total [RM 739] If the HP N36L is RM600 and below then DIY project is not value any more, what do you all say? In my case, I'll probably break the RM 800 barrier as I'm living in the East so postage fees is another issue to be considered. But I do think the above performance will beat the HP N36L, but lack the ease of installing HDD and the size of the chassis will probably turn off some. The interesting thing about the HP is its already a built-in PnP solution. That is IF you can still find them. If you cannot find it, your proposed build sounds like a good solution. I tried to do a quick comparison between the N36L and the Zacate E-240 processor; http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/215/AMD_A...ries_E-240.html The N36L has more CPU cores (2 vs 1) and hence can execute more threads at once. At the same time, it consumes less power . The Zacate has a higher base frequency and already comes with Radeon HD 6310 GPU. Useful for HTPC but not a must for NAS. |
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Jan 3 2014, 03:19 PM
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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Jan 3 2014, 02:11 PM) How much you bought your N36L? Within RM600? I bought it around the first batch of microserver so RM900 incl. keyboard/dvd-rom/mouse, It's using the non-standard PSU size and it's costly!What's the PSU size? Is it the non-standard size that's used in some shuttle chassis? I am planning for future (if board still available) on DIY Mini-ITX 4~6 HDDs NAS with below specs: ASROCK E35LM1 Mini-ITX [RM 190] Bitfenix Phenom Mini-ITX [RM 279] 1x 4GB RAM [RM 120] FSP 500W PSU [RM 150] Total [RM 739] If the HP N36L is RM600 and below then DIY project is not value any more, what do you all say? In my case, I'll probably break the RM 800 barrier as I'm living in the East so postage fees is another issue to be considered. But I do think the above performance will beat the HP N36L, but lack the ease of installing HDD and the size of the chassis will probably turn off some. http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-150W-Microserve...=item20dd34d7de I will DIY if my PSU mati... for the next question, it really depends on what you are looking for... I'm looking for something more towards power effecientcy which Microserver helps alot! for torrent/file server it's more than enough... QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jan 3 2014, 03:10 PM) Wah, you want to manage server remotely? Tried to find on ebay yet? I wanted to get the card, but come to think of it, I don't know when the server will die since it has been running for 3 years +...the addon is good to manage the server remotely since my box is not connect to any LCD/Keyboard. It is hard to troubleshoot if I couldn't reach the microserver on OS level. Gen8 microserver built in HP iLO which has been management than this card. Still thinking about upgrading the box This post has been edited by thankyou: Jan 3 2014, 03:21 PM |
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Jan 3 2014, 03:26 PM
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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Jan 3 2014, 02:11 PM) How much you bought your N36L? Within RM600? I have actually built a similar rig recently with a similar casing for my relative's HTPC...seriously, i won't like to build this rig....may look syiok, but once the cabling is in, you will have nightmare trying to fit all those cables with 4 hard disks....even a Single HDD already very hard to managed.. PSU cables will suck a lot of space (unless you get those can plug out cables one)....I boh lat build this kinda rig...just let C-ZONE assemble for me....old man liao... What's the PSU size? Is it the non-standard size that's used in some shuttle chassis? I am planning for future (if board still available) on DIY Mini-ITX 4~6 HDDs NAS with below specs: ASROCK E35LM1 Mini-ITX [RM 190] Bitfenix Phenom Mini-ITX [RM 279] 1x 4GB RAM [RM 120] FSP 500W PSU [RM 150] Total [RM 739] If the HP N36L is RM600 and below then DIY project is not value any more, what do you all say? In my case, I'll probably break the RM 800 barrier as I'm living in the East so postage fees is another issue to be considered. But I do think the above performance will beat the HP N36L, but lack the ease of installing HDD and the size of the chassis will probably turn off some. |
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Jan 3 2014, 03:45 PM
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QUOTE(thankyou @ Jan 3 2014, 03:19 PM) I bought it around the first batch of microserver so RM900 incl. keyboard/dvd-rom/mouse, It's using the non-standard PSU size and it's costly! I think i saw these kinds PSU in LYP before...maybe you wanna check it out. Alternatively, get a normal PSU and just put it outside...better ventilation...but FUGLY.... http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-150W-Microserve...=item20dd34d7de I will DIY if my PSU mati... for the next question, it really depends on what you are looking for... I'm looking for something more towards power effecientcy which Microserver helps alot! for torrent/file server it's more than enough... I wanted to get the card, but come to think of it, I don't know when the server will die since it has been running for 3 years +... the addon is good to manage the server remotely since my box is not connect to any LCD/Keyboard. It is hard to troubleshoot if I couldn't reach the microserver on OS level. Gen8 microserver built in HP iLO which has been management than this card. Still thinking about upgrading the box |
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Jan 3 2014, 03:46 PM
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jan 3 2014, 03:45 PM) I think i saw these kinds PSU in LYP before...maybe you wanna check it out. Alternatively, get a normal PSU and just put it outside...better ventilation...but FUGLY.... that's what I'm planning, put the PSU outside... not that ppl going to look at the server... as long as it serves the purpose |
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Jan 3 2014, 04:32 PM
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QUOTE(thankyou @ Jan 3 2014, 03:19 PM) I bought it around the first batch of microserver so RM900 incl. keyboard/dvd-rom/mouse, It's using the non-standard PSU size and it's costly! If you can snag a half working Microserver with good PSU, then probably worthwhile. Eh, I thought I remember you took the optional Carepack?http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-150W-Microserve...=item20dd34d7de I will DIY if my PSU mati... for the next question, it really depends on what you are looking for... I'm looking for something more towards power effecientcy which Microserver helps alot! for torrent/file server it's more than enough... I wanted to get the card, but come to think of it, I don't know when the server will die since it has been running for 3 years +... the addon is good to manage the server remotely since my box is not connect to any LCD/Keyboard. It is hard to troubleshoot if I couldn't reach the microserver on OS level. Gen8 microserver built in HP iLO which has been management than this card. Still thinking about upgrading the box Since I have 2, I use a KVM switch to utilise a spare LCD screen that I have. QUOTE(Matrix @ Jan 3 2014, 03:26 PM) I have actually built a similar rig recently with a similar casing for my relative's HTPC...seriously, i won't like to build this rig....may look syiok, but once the cabling is in, you will have nightmare trying to fit all those cables with 4 hard disks....even a Single HDD already very hard to managed.. PSU cables will suck a lot of space (unless you get those can plug out cables one)....I boh lat build this kinda rig...just let C-ZONE assemble for me....old man liao... Yes ! Cable management is a nightmare in a small tight casing. |
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Jan 4 2014, 10:43 AM
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Any dlink user tried out the cloud function?
I tried to access from my phone browser. It can reach the login page but can't login, no response. It also doesnt show the default system administrator id like if I accesss locally from home. However, I can access the Nas fine using a dlink app downloaded from google play for my Android phone!  |
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Jan 7 2014, 02:01 PM
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QUOTE(thankyou @ Jan 3 2014, 03:19 PM) I bought it around the first batch of microserver so RM900 incl. keyboard/dvd-rom/mouse, It's using the non-standard PSU size and it's costly! If N40L for RM800 is okay or expensive? Only the server, no kboard and dvd-rom.http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-150W-Microserve...=item20dd34d7de I will DIY if my PSU mati... for the next question, it really depends on what you are looking for... I'm looking for something more towards power effecientcy which Microserver helps alot! for torrent/file server it's more than enough... I wanted to get the card, but come to think of it, I don't know when the server will die since it has been running for 3 years +... the addon is good to manage the server remotely since my box is not connect to any LCD/Keyboard. It is hard to troubleshoot if I couldn't reach the microserver on OS level. Gen8 microserver built in HP iLO which has been management than this card. Still thinking about upgrading the box Actually planning to buy dlink NAS (320l or 327L) but after reading some of the comment in this thread, specially with streaming HD movies, thinking of add more to my budget and get this micro server. I read some where that total load for this server only <20w. |
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Jan 7 2014, 02:21 PM
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QUOTE(qwerty79 @ Jan 7 2014, 02:01 PM) If N40L for RM800 is okay or expensive? Only the server, no kboard and dvd-rom. i'm running 1x1TB (OS), 2x 2TB Green 24x7, i remember the measurement was around 32w-35wActually planning to buy dlink NAS (320l or 327L) but after reading some of the comment in this thread, specially with streaming HD movies, thinking of add more to my budget and get this micro server. I read some where that total load for this server only <20w. The complete package shud come with a dvdrom too. I have mine and its left behind collecting dust, anyone wants it?? |
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Jan 8 2014, 12:12 AM
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QUOTE(qwerty79 @ Jan 7 2014, 02:01 PM) If N40L for RM800 is okay or expensive? Only the server, no kboard and dvd-rom. Hard to say. Depending if you're desperate enough to want it. How much memory and what's the size of the boot drive?Actually planning to buy dlink NAS (320l or 327L) but after reading some of the comment in this thread, specially with streaming HD movies, thinking of add more to my budget and get this micro server. I read some where that total load for this server only <20w. But then again, for that money, you cannot find anything close to it in terms of flexibility and power. You should be able to do what you intend to do. QUOTE(numbertwo @ Jan 7 2014, 02:21 PM) i'm running 1x1TB (OS), 2x 2TB Green 24x7, i remember the measurement was around 32w-35w Wah, you're underutilising your Microserver man. The complete package shud come with a dvdrom too. I have mine and its left behind collecting dust, anyone wants it?? Yeah, I have 2 DVDROMs. With USB thumbdrives, DVDROMs nowadays redundant. |
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Jan 8 2014, 09:17 AM
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To microserver user:
Since you put windows on it...how do I acess the Nas from webbrowser from other clients? Is there a softwarle for easy administration via web browser like a typical NAS interface? I dont want remote acess to the microserver and complicated management. tq |
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Jan 8 2014, 09:26 AM
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QUOTE(numbertwo @ Jan 7 2014, 02:21 PM) i'm running 1x1TB (OS), 2x 2TB Green 24x7, i remember the measurement was around 32w-35w Wow, such a waste, mind sell me cheap cheap? The complete package shud come with a dvdrom too. I have mine and its left behind collecting dust, anyone wants it?? Maybe we can discuss this further in PM.  Anyway, regards the Microserver, can the DVD-ROM be made into another drive bay? (Use normal SATA HDD/SSD) If not mistaken the drive bay still retain the 5.25" for N54L, the latest Gen8 seems to use the slim DVD drive, saw it at HP website. |
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Jan 8 2014, 10:11 AM
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jan 8 2014, 12:12 AM) *cut* haha..yeah u are right.. its used for mainly as a torrent box, VM, media storage and a few background tasks.. Wah, you're underutilising your Microserver man. Yeah, I have 2 DVDROMs. With USB thumbdrives, DVDROMs nowadays redundant. But I still prefer this over the Synology to be honest.. like you say, endless possibilities on this MicroserverQUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Jan 8 2014, 09:26 AM) Wow, such a waste, mind sell me cheap cheap? Ok, RM50/-, take it?? Maybe we can discuss this further in PM. Anyway, regards the Microserver, can the DVD-ROM be made into another drive bay? (Use normal SATA HDD/SSD) If not mistaken the drive bay still retain the 5.25" for N54L, the latest Gen8 seems to use the slim DVD drive, saw it at HP website. yes, i think most microserver users here already converted the 5.25 optical bay into the 5th HDD slot.. see mine :  |
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Jan 8 2014, 10:30 AM
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jan 8 2014, 09:17 AM) To microserver user: Hmmm... There is none. Unless you install something like Synology's DSM in your Microserver.Since you put windows on it...how do I acess the Nas from webbrowser from other clients? Is there a softwarle for easy administration via web browser like a typical NAS interface? I dont want remote acess to the microserver and complicated management. tq Anyway, since it's just file sharing / streaming, what do you consider complicated in the management? Treat it just like another PC. QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Jan 8 2014, 09:26 AM) Wow, such a waste, mind sell me cheap cheap? Yes, it's a normal type DVDROM unlike the slim DVDROM notebook type on Gen 8. Maybe we can discuss this further in PM. Anyway, regards the Microserver, can the DVD-ROM be made into another drive bay? (Use normal SATA HDD/SSD) If not mistaken the drive bay still retain the 5.25" for N54L, the latest Gen8 seems to use the slim DVD drive, saw it at HP website. QUOTE(numbertwo @ Jan 8 2014, 10:11 AM) haha..yeah u are right.. its used for mainly as a torrent box, VM, media storage and a few background tasks.. Got to confess that I do have a Synology box myself. But I still prefer this over the Synology to be honest.. like you say, endless possibilities on this Microserver Since I foresee myself expanding over time, could not resist having 12 drives in one unit.QUOTE(numbertwo @ Jan 8 2014, 10:11 AM) yes, i think most microserver users here already converted the 5.25 optical bay into the 5th HDD slot.. see mine : You run online monopoly ah on the server? |
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Jan 8 2014, 10:33 AM
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jan 8 2014, 12:12 AM) Hard to say. Depending if you're desperate enough to want it. How much memory and what's the size of the boot drive? Thinking of building DIY NAS but with price of hardware here in Kuantan much more expensive than KL, thinking of buying this microserver. But then again, for that money, you cannot find anything close to it in terms of flexibility and power. You should be able to do what you intend to do. Wah, you're underutilising your Microserver man. Yeah, I have 2 DVDROMs. With USB thumbdrives, DVDROMs nowadays redundant. Here Dlink 320 (Old model) price at rm380, imagine the price for qnap or synology. Not much choice here. The microserver price I get is from lelong. Only 2 left. |
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QUOTE(numbertwo @ Jan 8 2014, 10:11 AM) Ok, RM50/-, take it?? Is that DVD-ROM or the Microserver? Don't think you'll let go the Microserver at this price? QUOTE(qwerty79 @ Jan 8 2014, 10:34 AM) Thinking of building DIY NAS but with price of hardware here in Kuantan much more expensive than KL, thinking of buying this microserver. Yeah, even in Kuching, Sarawak here, the only good retail shop with latest variety is PC Image, and that's the price is also goat dang high; RM450 for Dlink 327L, and only that model available. Saw the Qnap/Synology 4-bay at PC City and it was cut-throat RM3k+ if not mistaken, few hundred RM different, sigh, obviously this run-down town will never get fair price treatment (shipment expensive la, bla bla bla...) Here Dlink 320 (Old model) price at rm380, imagine the price for qnap or synology. Not much choice here. The microserver price I get is from lelong. Only 2 left. This post has been edited by wildwestgoh: Jan 8 2014, 10:51 AM |
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jan 8 2014, 10:30 AM) Hmmm... There is none. Unless you install something like Synology's DSM in your Microserver. That's what i don't want...startup windows, point here and there...a typical NAS interface is much easier to use. There is a free app for doing this, it's called FREENAS.Anyway, since it's just file sharing / streaming, what do you consider complicated in the management? Treat it just like another PC. http://www.freenas.org/ i haven't have chance to test it since i don't have the hardware...maybe if you guys have old spare PC, can try it out. Hmm...maybe i should source some old PC from Garage sales and turn it into a NAS...but then again...it will be bulky... ==UPDATE=== http://www.lelong.com.my/hp-proliant-micro...4-01-Sale-P.htm RM 1,980.00 This post has been edited by Matrix: Jan 8 2014, 01:40 PM |
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jan 8 2014, 01:36 PM) That's what i don't want...startup windows, point here and there...a typical NAS interface is much easier to use. There is a free app for doing this, it's called FREENAS. I think some sifus here tried Freenas before. I have not. But from what I've read, it's slow. Windows is faster.http://www.freenas.org/ i haven't have chance to test it since i don't have the hardware...maybe if you guys have old spare PC, can try it out. Hmm...maybe i should source some old PC from Garage sales and turn it into a NAS...but then again...it will be bulky... You can also try Synology DSM. Very polished interface. I've used the DSM interface in a real Synology DS2413+ and I like ti a lot but not installed it in a Microserver. Apparently the DSM performance in the Microserver is comparable to Synology's own high end hardware. QUOTE(Matrix @ Jan 8 2014, 01:36 PM) Of course that one expensive. Gen8 runs on Intel. |
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Jan 8 2014, 02:40 PM
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jan 8 2014, 02:16 PM) I think some sifus here tried Freenas before. I have not. But from what I've read, it's slow. Windows is faster. You can download Synology DSM (stands for what?) and use on other PC? Where can download? Synology website??You can also try Synology DSM. Very polished interface. I've used the DSM interface in a real Synology DS2413+ and I like ti a lot but not installed it in a Microserver. Apparently the DSM performance in the Microserver is comparable to Synology's own high end hardware. Of course that one expensive. Gen8 runs on Intel. |
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jan 8 2014, 02:40 PM) You can download Synology DSM (stands for what?) and use on other PC? Where can download? Synology website?? Found one article with details on how to get the Synology DSM into a PC (Microserver).Interesting but very troublesome overall for the first time setup. Click here This post has been edited by wildwestgoh: Jan 8 2014, 04:07 PM |
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jan 8 2014, 02:40 PM) You can download Synology DSM (stands for what?) and use on other PC? Where can download? Synology website?? Disk Station ManagerYeah, wildwestgoh gave a link. I believe there are a lot more links if you google up that talks about Xpenology. http://xpenology.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=2 QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Jan 8 2014, 04:01 PM) Found one article with details on how to get the Synology DSM into a PC (Microserver). Interesting but very troublesome overall for the first time setup. Click here  I have not tried it yet but the gains truly outweigh the effort put in. |
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For a light user ; just file storage, auto backup and media streaming
caveat is I've guests who drop by quite frequently and don't want them to have instant access to my files. what would be the recommendation ? Network with a mix of Macs and Windows. Been looking at synology , reviews have been good but any tips for the sifus here ? p/s: previously was looking at apple time capsule so ease of setup is a must |
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Jan 10 2014, 08:49 AM
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QUOTE(corad @ Jan 9 2014, 10:48 PM) For a light user ; just file storage, auto backup and media streaming Best to get Synology as I doubt Windows will have easy access to Apple products (Apple is stingy after all).caveat is I've guests who drop by quite frequently and don't want them to have instant access to my files. what would be the recommendation ? Network with a mix of Macs and Windows. Been looking at synology , reviews have been good but any tips for the sifus here ? p/s: previously was looking at apple time capsule so ease of setup is a must Synology is easy to setup as long as you don't care about their other features than just storing files, user level access can be setup to prevent guest access (instant access). I'm not a Synology user so I'm not so sure how many screens to get the NAS working, maybe some other sifus here can post their experience. |
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QUOTE(corad @ Jan 9 2014, 10:48 PM) For a light user ; just file storage, auto backup and media streaming Hi,caveat is I've guests who drop by quite frequently and don't want them to have instant access to my files. what would be the recommendation ? Network with a mix of Macs and Windows. Been looking at synology , reviews have been good but any tips for the sifus here ? p/s: previously was looking at apple time capsule so ease of setup is a must I am new Synology DS213j user and i am having iMac + Windows 8 environment too. I am very happy with my purchase and the file sharing, streaming from android tv box, ipad, iphone are so easy and smooth. Synology DS213j is supporting Time Machine backup too and support AFP, SMB, NFS so the configuration for any PC or tablet is very easy. feel free to ask me if you have any question If you want to see how to setup Synology NAS (HW & Configuration), you can refer to this youtube playlist. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8DC9A6392AD66D7F This post has been edited by philipcs: Jan 10 2014, 11:26 AM |
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Jan 11 2014, 09:17 PM
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Finally I bought N40L. Installed 4.3 DSM (Xpenology) in it and it works!
Not so hard, pretty straight forward with a bit of minor problem at the beginning. I can't detect the microserver but after that, everything run smooth. Currently only run with one 250Gb hard disk. Surely will add more in the coming week/month. Thinking of running 2 small capacity hard disk with raid 1 (for important data), and 2 x 3TB with JBOD (movies, etc). But don't know to get just green or go to red hd? Hard disk is pricey here, 2TB already reach rm350 for WD Green (not av). |
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QUOTE(qwerty79 @ Jan 11 2014, 09:17 PM) Finally I bought N40L. Installed 4.3 DSM (Xpenology) in it and it works! Where you bought your N40L from?Not so hard, pretty straight forward with a bit of minor problem at the beginning. I can't detect the microserver but after that, everything run smooth. Currently only run with one 250Gb hard disk. Surely will add more in the coming week/month. Thinking of running 2 small capacity hard disk with raid 1 (for important data), and 2 x 3TB with JBOD (movies, etc). But don't know to get just green or go to red hd? Hard disk is pricey here, 2TB already reach rm350 for WD Green (not av). How much it cost? What media you used to boot the DSM? USB pendrive? |
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QUOTE(qwerty79 @ Jan 11 2014, 09:17 PM) Finally I bought N40L. Installed 4.3 DSM (Xpenology) in it and it works! Wah, congrats ! Not so hard, pretty straight forward with a bit of minor problem at the beginning. I can't detect the microserver but after that, everything run smooth. Currently only run with one 250Gb hard disk. Surely will add more in the coming week/month. Thinking of running 2 small capacity hard disk with raid 1 (for important data), and 2 x 3TB with JBOD (movies, etc). But don't know to get just green or go to red hd? Hard disk is pricey here, 2TB already reach rm350 for WD Green (not av). Never knew you would take the Microserver and Xpenology advise seriously. Anyway, for NAS, go for WD Red. Avoid WD Green if you can. QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Jan 11 2014, 11:34 PM) Where you bought your N40L from? I think he mentioned it earlier? 800 from Lelong?How much it cost? What media you used to boot the DSM? USB pendrive? With the Xpenology, I believe you need to boot from Pendrive. |
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Jan 12 2014, 08:14 AM
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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Jan 11 2014, 11:34 PM) Where you bought your N40L from? Yeah yeah, tell us how much and buy from where!!! We go shopping stampede!!! How much it cost? What media you used to boot the DSM? USB pendrive? |
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jan 12 2014, 05:51 AM) Wah, congrats ! Oopss...missed that...must be this Never knew you would take the Microserver and Xpenology advise seriously. Anyway, for NAS, go for WD Red. Avoid WD Green if you can. I think he mentioned it earlier? 800 from Lelong? With the Xpenology, I believe you need to boot from Pendrive. http://www.lelong.com.my/hp-micro-g7-n40l-...4-01-Sale-P.htm |
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Jan 12 2014, 09:30 AM
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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Jan 11 2014, 11:34 PM) Where you bought your N40L from? Yup, bought from lelong. Double from my original budget. How much it cost? What media you used to boot the DSM? USB pendrive? . But it really worth it if compare to other 4-5 bay NAS out there.I just followed guide from Xpenology forum. You need Usb thumdrive to boot and of course a hard drive. Another thing, you also need another pc installed with synology assistant (get it from their website) connect to the same LAN with the microserver. |
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jan 12 2014, 05:51 AM) Wah, congrats ! Actually, I want to buy the server since last year but need to fund other project first. Only this time have enough budget Never knew you would take the Microserver and Xpenology advise seriously. Anyway, for NAS, go for WD Red. Avoid WD Green if you can. I think he mentioned it earlier? 800 from Lelong? With the Xpenology, I believe you need to boot from Pendrive. .Plus, this is my first time I read it can run on Synology DSM, so eager to try it. I got poison by you lah . |
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Guys, I noticed the recent DSM update caused the missing USBSHARE in the filestation. It was accessible before, so I could sedut the downloaded from NAS at faster rate. Now I need to relied on the wireless/wired transfer via laptop. Such a pain in the a** lah. Anybody faced similar issue ?
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QUOTE(qwerty79 @ Jan 12 2014, 09:30 AM) Yup, bought from lelong. Double from my original budget. Hmm..but all this hacking thingy...will the data be safe in the event of crash and recoverable???? . But it really worth it if compare to other 4-5 bay NAS out there.I just followed guide from Xpenology forum. You need Usb thumdrive to boot and of course a hard drive. Another thing, you also need another pc installed with synology assistant (get it from their website) connect to the same LAN with the microserver. |
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Jan 12 2014, 09:33 PM
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jan 12 2014, 09:18 PM) Hmm..but all this hacking thingy...will the data be safe in the event of crash and recoverable???? About that, I done some reading in Xpenology forum. Lots of people had use the setup for over a year without any problem. A good thing about late comer is most thing already sort out. But because this is not official from Synology, any can happen. I believe it is safe to use. DSM is base on linux system. So if anything happen, some data can be access with other linux pc. |
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QUOTE(qwerty79 @ Jan 12 2014, 09:39 AM) Actually, I want to buy the server since last year but need to fund other project first. Only this time have enough budget Don't kill the messenger ! .Plus, this is my first time I read it can run on Synology DSM, so eager to try it. I got poison by you lah . QUOTE(Matrix @ Jan 12 2014, 09:18 PM) Hmm..but all this hacking thingy...will the data be safe in the event of crash and recoverable???? Actually I would not consider it as hacking since it's open source. There's no support directly from Synology (as expected) but the software is the same one used by them. So if it's not safe on Xpenology, it would not be safe on Synology DSM also. |
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jan 13 2014, 08:49 AM) Don't kill the messenger ! If I pull out a raid 1 disk from the synology, will I be able to read the data by puttiing it into a pc? Actually I would not consider it as hacking since it's open source. There's no support directly from Synology (as expected) but the software is the same one used by them. So if it's not safe on Xpenology, it would not be safe on Synology DSM also. |
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Jan 13 2014, 11:16 AM
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jan 13 2014, 09:00 AM) If I pull out a raid 1 disk from the synology, will I be able to read the data by puttiing it into a pc? I'm assuming you're on a Windows PC?Since the file format from the Synology is EXT4 linux system, you need to download something like this. |
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Jan 13 2014, 11:54 AM
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jan 13 2014, 11:16 AM) I'm assuming you're on a Windows PC? Thanks for the info. This is what i want to know! Since the file format from the Synology is EXT4 linux system, you need to download something like this. |
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Jan 13 2014, 02:42 PM
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jan 12 2014, 05:51 AM) Wah, congrats ! I plan only to switch on my microserver when ever I'm available at home, 6pm-7am and don't plan for 24/7. So, will Green do the job or still better go for RED? Red is non existent here, even for Green AV is hard to get here. Never knew you would take the Microserver and Xpenology advise seriously. Anyway, for NAS, go for WD Red. Avoid WD Green if you can. I think he mentioned it earlier? 800 from Lelong? With the Xpenology, I believe you need to boot from Pendrive. |
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Jan 13 2014, 08:03 PM
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QUOTE(qwerty79 @ Jan 13 2014, 02:42 PM) I plan only to switch on my microserver when ever I'm available at home, 6pm-7am and don't plan for 24/7. So, will Green do the job or still better go for RED? Red is non existent here, even for Green AV is hard to get here. Green is just fine. |
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Jan 13 2014, 08:33 PM
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QUOTE(qwerty79 @ Jan 13 2014, 02:42 PM) I plan only to switch on my microserver when ever I'm available at home, 6pm-7am and don't plan for 24/7. So, will Green do the job or still better go for RED? Red is non existent here, even for Green AV is hard to get here. Actually contrary to popular belief, switching the hardisk on and off is more stressful than just leaving them powered on. |
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For the first time, one of my drive is degraded today. Got to quickly get a replacement tomorrow.
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QUOTE(ronaldjoe @ Jan 14 2014, 12:29 AM) For the first time, one of my drive is degraded today. Got to quickly get a replacement tomorrow. Hope you get it sorted out. Rebuild of that size would take days I reckon. If I recall, SHR or RAID 5 does not give any redundancy during a rebuild. Best is to make sure the Synology gets a UPS hooked up during the rebuild. Usually with that amount of array size involved, it would have been better to stick with SHR-2 or RAID 6 that allows for 2 drives to fail. Yeah, you loose space from 2 hardisk instead of just 1 with SHR or RAID 5. |
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Jan 16 2014, 07:29 AM
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Got the volume repaired after 30 hours odd based on log...
What UPS would you recommend for Synology? I see the choices are bit limited locally.  |
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QUOTE(ronaldjoe @ Jan 16 2014, 07:29 AM) Got the volume repaired after 30 hours odd based on log... For play safe, get the APC. It able to talk to your Synology.What UPS would you recommend for Synology? I see the choices are bit limited locally. |
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QUOTE(ronaldjoe @ Jan 14 2014, 12:29 AM) For the first time, one of my drive is degraded today. Got to quickly get a replacement tomorrow. I have the experience that the drive still can be use outside. I swap the trouble drive and use it at my media player. No problem at all. |
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Jan 16 2014, 09:44 AM
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QUOTE(qwerty79 @ Jan 13 2014, 02:42 PM) I plan only to switch on my microserver when ever I'm available at home, 6pm-7am and don't plan for 24/7. So, will Green do the job or still better go for RED? Red is non existent here, even for Green AV is hard to get here. You do not need to get WD Red specifically. Everyone used WD Green in their N36L and N40L for years before the Reds came to market. I have been using Green and I leave mine on 24/7 without issue |
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Jan 16 2014, 10:04 AM
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QUOTE(CocoMonGo @ Jan 16 2014, 09:44 AM) You do not need to get WD Red specifically. Everyone used WD Green in their N36L and N40L for years before the Reds came to market. I have been using Green and I leave mine on 24/7 without issue I can see in your siggy, you want to sell your hd and ram? Still available? |
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QUOTE(ozak @ Jan 16 2014, 08:24 AM) I have the experience that the drive still can be use outside. I swap the trouble drive and use it at my media player. No problem at all. There is no smart reading from NAS.The trouble drive has already been returned to Seagate. I got an WD red 4TB as replacement. |
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Jan 16 2014, 04:29 PM
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Hi.. Need sifus guide/hint me for setup a system.
I need to set up a cctv system it have 30 wireless ip cameras for surveillance. These cameras will have 1.3megapixel, recording with 10 fps. It consume approximate need 5~6tera for 14 days records. I dowan buy a NVR as a storage because the cameras already have self software for monitoring cctv. It requested all of the cameras must have real time view, now I'm worried with HDD IOPS can handle write(recording) and read(view from client). But I know the software can split the record to multiple HDD. Any sifus can recommend good NAS for the cctv system? 1gbps router can handle the traffic? Thanks in advanced.. |
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QUOTE(ronaldjoe @ Jan 16 2014, 12:31 PM) There is no smart reading from NAS. Hmmm... There is a smart test in HDD management in my NAS.The trouble drive has already been returned to Seagate. I got an WD red 4TB as replacement. |
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QUOTE(qwerty79 @ Jan 16 2014, 10:04 AM) I can see in your siggy, you want to sell your hd and ram? Still available? yup still available. PM me before the Mods come and kick us |
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Jan 16 2014, 06:27 PM
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QUOTE(ozak @ Jan 16 2014, 04:51 PM) Hmmm... There is a smart test in HDD management in my NAS. I meant there was no SMART reading from the trouble HDD. I took it certified as "dead" |
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QUOTE(Kucci @ Jan 16 2014, 04:29 PM) Hi.. Need sifus guide/hint me for setup a system. You can use Synology or QNAP. Both can do the job.I need to set up a cctv system it have 30 wireless ip cameras for surveillance. These cameras will have 1.3megapixel, recording with 10 fps. It consume approximate need 5~6tera for 14 days records. I dowan buy a NVR as a storage because the cameras already have self software for monitoring cctv. It requested all of the cameras must have real time view, now I'm worried with HDD IOPS can handle write(recording) and read(view from client). But I know the software can split the record to multiple HDD. Any sifus can recommend good NAS for the cctv system? 1gbps router can handle the traffic? Thanks in advanced.. Survelliance station in Synology can hook up IP cam and monitor them remotely. In case the 1Gbs router cant cope, you can top up a manageed switch for link aggreagation. Latest Synology can link up 4 port up to 4Gbs. Also, consider the throughput of your wireless connection with 30 IP cam. |
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Jan 16 2014, 11:56 PM
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but none of the Synology or Qnap supports more than 20 cam in a single unit..even 1513+ and 1813+ can only acc. max of 20 IP Cams only.. gonna be a costly route.
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QUOTE(ronaldjoe @ Jan 16 2014, 06:33 PM) You can use Synology or QNAP. Both can do the job. Thanks your reply,Survelliance station in Synology can hook up IP cam and monitor them remotely. In case the 1Gbs router cant cope, you can top up a manageed switch for link aggreagation. Latest Synology can link up 4 port up to 4Gbs. Also, consider the throughput of your wireless connection with 30 IP cam. has PM-ed Sygnology retailer to quote a price. but still have several questions.. 1. I watched their tutorials on Youtube, it mention have to purchase license for support more cameras, is it true? I have to purchase for each NAS? 2. Will use 3 routers with ac-wifi(1300mbps) and 1gbps ports to serve all cameras, can it handle the traffic? I'm not familiar with switch, therefore trying to avoid using it. |
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For best of benefits, get a managed switch as well since you would have already paying for expensive CAM and NAS.
Are those cam and NAS gonna run on UPS? Does the IP cam support AC 1300 wireless? Personally I run on wired IP cam. My AC router didn't give me a good range. |
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QUOTE(Kucci @ Jan 16 2014, 04:29 PM) Hi.. Need sifus guide/hint me for setup a system. With this number of IP cameras, I would not recommend wireless but wired instead. 1 or 2 wireless IP cameres is fine but 30 is just asking for trouble. The expensive wireless routers would be able to handle the throughput alone but I don't think it can serve 30 IP cameras polling at the same time. Wiring is going to be messy and would add up the cost but it's a sure way of making the 30 IP cameras work.I need to set up a cctv system it have 30 wireless ip cameras for surveillance. These cameras will have 1.3megapixel, recording with 10 fps. It consume approximate need 5~6tera for 14 days records. I dowan buy a NVR as a storage because the cameras already have self software for monitoring cctv. It requested all of the cameras must have real time view, now I'm worried with HDD IOPS can handle write(recording) and read(view from client). But I know the software can split the record to multiple HDD. Any sifus can recommend good NAS for the cctv system? 1gbps router can handle the traffic? Thanks in advanced.. A wired solution would be using a PoE type of IP camera. A 30 port PoE switch that is also gigabit is going to be rare and mega expensive. But looking at your requirements, the NAS needs to write around 2.5MB/s worth of data. That's pretty easily achieved with 100Mbit PoE switches which are more reasonable in price. Best is to split the 30 IP cameras to 2 x 24 port 100Mbit PoE switches with each switch going into two Synology units (for example 2 units of 4 bay DS412+ or 2 units of 2 bay DS713+ because of the powerful processor and 20 IP cameras support for each unit). I assume you calculated 5 to 6 TB of H.264 video stream data base on standard quality and not at highest quality. So going by that amount of data, you can put 4 x 1TB hardisk (or 2 x 2TB for 2 bay) in each Synology unit configured to RAID 0. RAID 5 or RAID 1 redundancy is optional since in this case it is not required. Link Agregration (hence a managed switch) is not required since one 100Mbit connection can handle the data stream. QUOTE(ronaldjoe @ Jan 16 2014, 06:33 PM) You can use Synology or QNAP. Both can do the job. Link Agregration (hence a managed switch) is not required since one 100Mbit connection can handle the data stream.Survelliance station in Synology can hook up IP cam and monitor them remotely. In case the 1Gbs router cant cope, you can top up a manageed switch for link aggreagation. Latest Synology can link up 4 port up to 4Gbs. Also, consider the throughput of your wireless connection with 30 IP cam. QUOTE(numbertwo @ Jan 16 2014, 11:56 PM) but none of the Synology or Qnap supports more than 20 cam in a single unit..even 1513+ and 1813+ can only acc. max of 20 IP Cams only.. gonna be a costly route. Yup. My DS2413+ handles 20 IP cameras max.In detail, the following is listed; 600 FPS @ VGA (640x480) Which means for 20 cameras, it can support 30 fps @ VGA (640 x 480) quality 200 FPS @ 720p (1280x800) Which means for 20 cameras, it can support 10 fps @ 720p (1280x800) quality 100 FPS @ 1080p (1920×1080) Which means for 20 cameras, it can support 5 fps @ 1080p (1920×1080) quality I believe with a 1.3MP IP camera, case 2 with 200 FPS applies. If the 30 IP cameras are split and handled by 2 NAS boxes, then it can support 13.3 fps @ 720p (1280x800) quality. QUOTE(Kucci @ Jan 17 2014, 12:04 AM) Thanks your reply, 1. Yes. Only 1 license is given for 1 NAS unit. But if you use the higher end Synology NAS, max IP cameras supported is 20 per NAS unit. And because of this limitation, you need to get 2 Synology NAS boxes. In your case, you need to add 28 licenses.has PM-ed Sygnology retailer to quote a price. but still have several questions.. 1. I watched their tutorials on Youtube, it mention have to purchase license for support more cameras, is it true? I have to purchase for each NAS? 2. Will use 3 routers with ac-wifi(1300mbps) and 1gbps ports to serve all cameras, can it handle the traffic? I'm not familiar with switch, therefore trying to avoid using it. 2. Trying to make 3 wifi routers (each connected to 10 wifi IP cameras) to a gigabit router is going to be a challenge. With all the interferences, there's bound to be a dropped connection at any one time with the 30 wireless IP cameras. Wireless = not reliable. QUOTE(ronaldjoe @ Jan 17 2014, 01:27 AM) For best of benefits, get a managed switch as well since you would have already paying for expensive CAM and NAS. Good thing about using wired connection with PoE switches is the switches can be powered by UPS which powers the PoE IP cams as well.Are those cam and NAS gonna run on UPS? Does the IP cam support AC 1300 wireless? Personally I run on wired IP cam. My AC router didn't give me a good range. |
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Jan 17 2014, 05:16 PM
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It's 49 channel now...
 Presume it's DS1813 + 8 x 4TB WD red It's RM3.7k + 8 x RM600 for NAS. A managed switch set back another RM400 for link aggregation. |
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Jan 17 2014, 05:19 PM
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jan 17 2014, 03:15 AM) Good thing about using wired connection with PoE switches is the switches can be powered by UPS which powers the PoE IP cams as well. |
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Jan 17 2014, 07:21 PM
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OMG I just realise Sygnology IP-cam license each cost around RM150+
30x 150 = RM4500 +/- Maybe will not using Sygology surveillance software.. QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jan 17 2014, 03:15 AM) 600 FPS @ VGA (640x480) All the cams will record in 5fps 1080p, H.264 compression but it seems one NAS can't handle it,Which means for 20 cameras, it can support 30 fps @ VGA (640 x 480) quality 200 FPS @ 720p (1280x800) Which means for 20 cameras, it can support 10 fps @ 720p (1280x800) quality 100 FPS @ 1080p (1920×1080) Which means for 20 cameras, it can support 5 fps @ 1080p (1920×1080) quality any solution could help? My set up diagram : » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « 30 IP-cameras ( Camera model not decide yet, with have 2 type for indoor/outdoor ) Three routers. ( Surveyed current market AC wireless router are not stable, use wireless N router ) (Few repeater/AP if wireless signal low) One switch. ( 8xport 1gbps) One NAS, 4 x 2tb One Terminal (PC). Each router connect 10 IP-cameras via Wireless. Total of 3 routers will connect to switch via Ethereal Cable. NAS connect to switch. PC connect to switch. PC output video-surveillance to two 58 inch TV. Due to geographical, I can only choose wireless connection for IP-cams, otherwise it required purchase more accessories to drill hole, cabling, stands, etc.. Installation fees are expensive.. This post has been edited by Kucci: Jan 17 2014, 07:59 PM |
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Jan 17 2014, 08:10 PM
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I bought 3TB Red Western Digital for my N40L. But my bios can't detect the hard disk. It can detect normally the 250Gb HD.
This is what my bios show during startup HP System BIOS - 041 (10/0102013) .. .. Auto-detecting AHCI Port 0..IDE Hard Disk ------ 250GB Auto-detecting AHCI Port 1..IDE Hard Disk ------ 3TB (Take very long time, 1 minute). . . 403-AHCI Port1 Device Error Anyone have the same problem? |
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Jan 17 2014, 10:27 PM
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QUOTE(ronaldjoe @ Jan 17 2014, 05:16 PM) It's 49 channel now... That's under beta right?Presume it's DS1813 + 8 x 4TB WD red It's RM3.7k + 8 x RM600 for NAS. A managed switch set back another RM400 for link aggregation. QUOTE(ronaldjoe @ Jan 17 2014, 05:19 PM) What IP camera support power from PoE switches? I am new to this. Most new ones do. Just look for it. IEEE 802.3af compliant.QUOTE(Kucci @ Jan 17 2014, 07:21 PM) OMG I just realise Sygnology IP-cam license each cost around RM150+ Some of my comments;30x 150 = RM4500 +/- Maybe will not using Sygology surveillance software.. All the cams will record in 5fps 1080p, H.264 compression but it seems one NAS can't handle it, any solution could help? My set up diagram : » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « 30 IP-cameras ( Camera model not decide yet, with have 2 type for indoor/outdoor ) Three routers. ( Surveyed current market AC wireless router are not stable, use wireless N router ) (Few repeater/AP if wireless signal low) One switch. ( 8xport 1gbps) One NAS, 4 x 2tb One Terminal (PC). Each router connect 10 IP-cameras via Wireless. Total of 3 routers will connect to switch via Ethereal Cable. NAS connect to switch. PC connect to switch. PC output video-surveillance to two 58 inch TV. Due to geographical, I can only choose wireless connection for IP-cams, otherwise it required purchase more accessories to drill hole, cabling, stands, etc.. Installation fees are expensive.. Even though in beta the Synology supports 49 cams, I would still split the load to 2 NAS. Try out with one unit of DS-713+ first and perhaps later on add another later to get better performance. For me, the bigger problem is the Wifi connection. I know due to logistics that wireless is unavoidable but the reality is any wireless type connection concerning video will not end up well especially if you're using 30 IP cameras as input. Sorry to tell you this but that's a fact. You can try but I don't think it will work. After a lot of investment and hard work only to find out that the Wifi connection is not up to it is downright wasteful. Anyway, how are the IP cameras powered? Logic says that if they can be powered, then you can get wired network connection to it. QUOTE(qwerty79 @ Jan 17 2014, 08:10 PM) I bought 3TB Red Western Digital for my N40L. But my bios can't detect the hard disk. It can detect normally the 250Gb HD. Hook the drive up in another PC and format the drive as a GPT drive. This problem is due to the 2TB limitation of the N40L BIOS.This is what my bios show during startup HP System BIOS - 041 (10/0102013) .. .. Auto-detecting AHCI Port 0..IDE Hard Disk ------ 250GB Auto-detecting AHCI Port 1..IDE Hard Disk ------ 3TB (Take very long time, 1 minute). . . 403-AHCI Port1 Device Error Anyone have the same problem? |
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Jan 17 2014, 10:45 PM
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jan 17 20:27 PM) That's under beta right? I check that other user doesn't have this problem. Can detect the hd with latest bios.Most new ones do. Just look for it. IEEE 802.3af compliant. Some of my comments; Even though in beta the Synology supports 49 cams, I would still split the load to 2 NAS. Try out with one unit of DS-713+ first and perhaps later on add another later to get better performance. For me, the bigger problem is the Wifi connection. I know due to logistics that wireless is unavoidable but the reality is any wireless type connection concerning video will not end up well especially if you're using 30 IP cameras as input. Sorry to tell you this but that's a fact. You can try but I don't think it will work. After a lot of investment and hard work only to find out that the Wifi connection is not up to it is downright wasteful. Anyway, how are the IP cameras powered? Logic says that if they can be powered, then you can get wired network connection to it. Hook the drive up in another PC and format the drive as a GPT drive. This problem is due to the 2TB limitation of the N40L BIOS. I already connect with other pc. The pc bios can detect but in windows 8, no hard disk device. During start up, I heard clank sound... spinning... clank... spinning.... but silent when windows loading up. BTW, how to format as a GPT drive? |
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Jan 17 2014, 11:06 PM
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QUOTE(qwerty79 @ Jan 17 2014, 10:45 PM) I check that other user doesn't have this problem. Can detect the hd with latest bios. Errr... Paiseh. I don't have Windows 8. In Windows 7, you initialize the disk by right click on Computer, Manage. Select Disk Management. Or in Control Panel or Start menu, search for Disk Management.I already connect with other pc. The pc bios can detect but in windows 8, no hard disk device. During start up, I heard clank sound... spinning... clank... spinning.... but silent when windows loading up. BTW, how to format as a GPT drive? Is your Windows 8 PC an old one? PCs with old BIOS will need to have hardisk larger than 2TB intialized with a GPT partition table. |
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Jan 17 2014, 11:24 PM
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I think, it hard disk problem. In disk management, the hard disk doesn't appear. In device manager also not. When I connect the hard disk, my pc become very slow to boot up. Will try with other pc.
I check N40L wiki page, 3TB is supported. |
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Jan 18 2014, 10:38 AM
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QUOTE(CocoMonGo @ Jan 16 2014, 09:44 AM) You do not need to get WD Red specifically. Everyone used WD Green in their N36L and N40L for years before the Reds came to market. I have been using Green and I leave mine on 24/7 without issue echo..mine 2TB Green has been on 24x7 almost 20 mths ago.. Planning to get a 4TB in soon.. |
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Jan 18 2014, 11:47 AM
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QUOTE(qwerty79 @ Jan 17 2014, 11:24 PM) I think, it hard disk problem. In disk management, the hard disk doesn't appear. In device manager also not. When I connect the hard disk, my pc become very slow to boot up. Will try with other pc. It was a while ago since I installed my WD Red 3TB onto my N36L. If I recall, I did not have to do anything to it for the Microserver to detect all 4 of them at bootup.I check N40L wiki page, 3TB is supported. QUOTE(numbertwo @ Jan 18 2014, 10:38 AM) echo..mine 2TB Green has been on 24x7 almost 20 mths ago.. Planning to get a 4TB in soon.. Because of the non existent TLER, it is recommended NOT to use WD green drives. Of course some people manage to use it because their green hardisk did not experience write error situations which would require the drive to pause and take more time to handle write errors. When that happens, the RAID controller thinks there is an error recovery to be made and drops the whole hardisk. This is a nuisance when the drive falls out of the RAID array and forcing rebuilds. |
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Jan 18 2014, 12:03 PM
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if you (like me) don't RAID the drives it is OK.. more so the Greens that I have right now are actually used for torrent 24x7 .. just to let everyone gauge how far can these Green drive goes...
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Jan 18 2014, 12:14 PM
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jan 18 11:47 AM) It was a while ago since I installed my WD Red 3TB onto my N36L. If I recall, I did not have to do anything to it for the Microserver to detect all 4 of them at bootup. Thank you. Your answer clarify everything. At first I thought have to install certain bios but after reading through N40L experience, others don't get problem install 3TB like me. So, probably the hard disk rosak because some miss handling during postage. Already contact the seller, and he ask me to wait till Monday so he can clarified with his vendor.Because of the non existent TLER, it is recommended NOT to use WD green drives. Of course some people manage tMondayit because their green hardisk did not experience write error situations which would require the drive to pause and take more time to handle write errors. When that happens, the RAID controller thinks there is an error recovery to be made and drops the whole hardisk. This is a nuisance when the drive falls out of the RAID array and forcing rebuilds. |
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Jan 18 2014, 12:16 PM
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I believe Green drives are ok for NAS that are not in RAID setup. I only dislike them because they are slow. Very evident if you use in desktop PC.
Anyway, before NAS drives like WD Red, I used Samsung F4E 2TB. I have 8 of them (4 in my other N36L and 4 in a an eSATA encosure). I could have also gone with Hitachi drives but they were not available locally. |
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Jan 18 2014, 12:23 PM
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jan 18 2014, 12:16 PM) I believe Green drives are ok for NAS that are not in RAID setup. I only dislike them because they are slow. Very evident if you use in desktop PC. I assume the enclusre connects to the N36L eSata port? Is the eSata enclosure RAID/NON-RAID? How's the transfer speed in/out of the eSata enclosure like?Anyway, before NAS drives like WD Red, I used Samsung F4E 2TB. I have 8 of them (4 in my other N36L and 4 in a an eSATA encosure). I could have also gone with Hitachi drives but they were not available locally. |
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Jan 18 2014, 01:38 PM
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QUOTE(numbertwo @ Jan 18 2014, 12:23 PM) I assume the enclusre connects to the N36L eSata port? Is the eSata enclosure RAID/NON-RAID? How's the transfer speed in/out of the eSata enclosure like? No. Not from the N36L eSATA port because the N36L eSATA port is not Port Multiplier aware.I installed the PCIE x1 eSATA RAID card and connected the external box to it. It's running RAID. The transfer rate is fast. Just like if it's connected to the internal SATA. But then if I did something more complicated other than transfer files like unZIP or unRAR to that RAID volume in the eSATA enclosure, it will hang ! I think there is a bug somewhere in the RAID card. I transferred TB of files with no problems. Anyway, that external enclosure is down at the moment. I suspect it's the PSU. My contractor had to switch off the mains because had to do some electrical work and I suspect the off / on /off / on stressed the PSU. |
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Jan 18 2014, 02:24 PM
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jan 18 2014, 01:38 PM) No. Not from the N36L eSATA port because the N36L eSATA port is not Port Multiplier aware. Tks for sharing, especially on the eSata port multiplier bit! I did intend to use it that way before this, but I guess with my usage, having 5 unraid storage drives is more than enuf.. I have to use the pcie now for USB 3.0 port as the onboard LAN port got fried recently during a thunderstorm.. have to find a usb3.0 gigabit lan adapter soon.I installed the PCIE x1 eSATA RAID card and connected the external box to it. It's running RAID. The transfer rate is fast. Just like if it's connected to the internal SATA. But then if I did something more complicated other than transfer files like unZIP or unRAR to that RAID volume in the eSATA enclosure, it will hang ! I think there is a bug somewhere in the RAID card. I transferred TB of files with no problems. Anyway, that external enclosure is down at the moment. I suspect it's the PSU. My contractor had to switch off the mains because had to do some electrical work and I suspect the off / on /off / on stressed the PSU. |
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Jan 18 2014, 06:34 PM
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guys need suggestions
what is the best NAS can i get for 3k - 5k use for file storage in a small office (5-6 people) and where can i get it? LowYat? |
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Jan 18 2014, 11:27 PM
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QUOTE(numbertwo @ Jan 18 2014, 02:24 PM) Tks for sharing, especially on the eSata port multiplier bit! I did intend to use it that way before this, but I guess with my usage, having 5 unraid storage drives is more than enuf.. I have to use the pcie now for USB 3.0 port as the onboard LAN port got fried recently during a thunderstorm.. have to find a usb3.0 gigabit lan adapter soon. Why don't get a HP NC360T PCIe x4 dual GBit network card, mod it to PCIe x1 and install it in the PCIe x4 slot meant for Remote Access Card? QUOTE(drkpower @ Jan 18 2014, 06:34 PM) guys need suggestions Actually any type of desktop PC can be made into a NAS. Put more hardisk in, do some simple sharing and you're done for a small office setup.what is the best NAS can i get for 3k - 5k use for file storage in a small office (5-6 people) and where can i get it? LowYat? Don't forget to set up for backup. Cheap and fast would be backup to USB 3 or eSATA type of external hardisk. |
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Jan 19 2014, 01:27 AM
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jan 18 2014, 11:27 PM) Why don't get a HP NC360T PCIe x4 dual GBit network card, mod it to PCIe x1 and install it in the PCIe x4 slot meant for Remote Access Card? do you mean slot that into PCIe x16? I don't think N40L has a x4 slot.. Dual port GB card is expensive, and it is hard to find over here. So cheapest route is to get a PCIe usb3 card + a USB3 gigabit adaptor, all in about RM150 ~ .. just need to worry whether they are low profile or not..This post has been edited by numbertwo: Jan 19 2014, 01:35 AM |
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Jan 19 2014, 01:49 AM
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QUOTE(numbertwo @ Jan 19 2014, 01:27 AM) do you mean slot that into PCIe x16? I don't think N40L has a x4 slot.. Dual port GB card is expensive, and it is hard to find over here. So cheapest route is to get a PCIe usb3 card + a USB3 gigabit adaptor, all in about RM150 ~ .. just need to worry whether they are low profile or not.. No. Not x16 slot. Slot it into the slot meant for Remote Access Card. That one is a PCIe x4. |
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Jan 19 2014, 03:14 PM
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QUOTE(drkpower @ Jan 18 2014, 06:34 PM) guys need suggestions You can either buy synology / qnap put in hdd and good to go or build your own with that budget.what is the best NAS can i get for 3k - 5k use for file storage in a small office (5-6 people) and where can i get it? LowYat? I own a qnap 469, N54L (Win server 2008 R2), N36L (Xpenology) and latest Gen8 Microserver (Win Server 2012) in my office and house. My future project is build a intel H87 with Xpenology and retire my N36L |
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Jan 20 2014, 12:13 AM
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QUOTE(qwerty79 @ Jan 17 2014, 10:45 PM) I already connect with other pc. The pc bios can detect but in windows 8, no hard disk device. During start up, I heard clank sound... spinning... clank... spinning.... but silent when windows loading up. HDD damaged liau. I am using 3TB WD greens without problem. Doubt the Red would be any problems normally either.QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jan 18 2014, 11:47 AM) Because of the non existent TLER, it is recommended NOT to use WD green drives. Of course some people manage to use it because their green hardisk did not experience write error situations which would require the drive to pause and take more time to handle write errors. When that happens, the RAID controller thinks there is an error recovery to be made and drops the whole hardisk. This is a nuisance when the drive falls out of the RAID array and forcing rebuilds. Here are a couple of articles and write ups about TLER (summary)The responses I received from Synology, QNAP, NETGEAR and Buffalo all indicated that their NAS RAID controllers don't depend on or even listen to TLER, CCTL, ERC or any other similar error recovery signal from their drives. Instead, their software RAID controllers have their own criteria for drive timeouts, retries and when a drive is finally marked bad. http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/nas/nas-fea...n-your-raid-nas Do i need to use TLER or RAID edition harddrives (for ZFS pools) ? No and if you use TLER you should disable it when using ZFS. TLER is only useful for mission-critical servers who cannot afford to be frozen for 10-60 seconds, and to cope with bad quality RAID controller that panic when a drive is not responding for multiple seconds because its performing recovery on some sector. Do not use TLER with ZFS! Instead, allow the drive to recover its errors. ZFS will wait, the wait time can be configured. You won't have broken RAID arrays, which is common with Windows-based FakeRAID arrays. http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1500505 Actually if you are doing a DIY server way like the microserver, just dont use normal RAID period. THere is no reason not to use ZFS actually. QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jan 18 2014, 11:27 PM) Why don't get a HP NC360T PCIe x4 dual GBit network card, mod it to PCIe x1 and install it in the PCIe x4 slot meant for Remote Access Card? that works? I though the x4 slot didnt work with x1 cards even if you modded it.btw u can find dual port pcie NIC on ebay UK for cheap. Posted to malaysia can be as low as RM100. Just look around. I managed to pick up a quad port intel i350 from the garage sales last time too. This post has been edited by CocoMonGo: Jan 20 2014, 12:16 AM |
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Jan 20 2014, 11:17 AM
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Hi, I'm looking for a reliable NAS for my office that have these function.
1. File sharing through Internet and mobile phone 2. Storing database for UBS accounting and allow remote access 3. User access rights function Anyone can recommend me any brand or model. Thanks |
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Jan 20 2014, 11:59 PM
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QUOTE(Assassin @ Jan 20 2014, 11:17 AM) Hi, I'm looking for a reliable NAS for my office that have these function. wd mybooklive 1. File sharing through Internet and mobile phone 2. Storing database for UBS accounting and allow remote access 3. User access rights function Anyone can recommend me any brand or model. Thanks have mobile app,user access right..very easy to setup |
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Jan 21 2014, 07:17 PM
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jan 18 2014, 11:27 PM) Why don't get a HP NC360T PCIe x4 dual GBit network card, mod it to PCIe x1 and install it in the PCIe x4 slot meant for Remote Access Card? Actually any type of desktop PC can be made into a NAS. Put more hardisk in, do some simple sharing and you're done for a small office setup. Don't forget to set up for backup. Cheap and fast would be backup to USB 3 or eSATA type of external hardisk. QUOTE(wwkkww @ Jan 19 2014, 03:14 PM) You can either buy synology / qnap put in hdd and good to go or build your own with that budget. thanks guysI own a qnap 469, N54L (Win server 2008 R2), N36L (Xpenology) and latest Gen8 Microserver (Win Server 2012) in my office and house. My future project is build a intel H87 with Xpenology and retire my N36L i think i will take WD MyEx4 |
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Jan 23 2014, 05:29 PM
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QUOTE(ozone9 @ Aug 24 2013, 01:54 PM) Hi Bro, Hi,I am using DLink 320L and wants to stream video to my Sharp Aquos The TV managed to discover the D Link but cannot even view the files inside..don`t talk about opening it. I know there are complex solution like Fun-plug and linus skill is needed. I wonder if there is any easier solution or fix within the Dlink 320L? Or is it true that Dlink 320L is incapable top stream video to TV?? Kindly share.Thanks The perception that cheaper NAS can't handle the processing requirement of DLNA server is not true at all. The Dlink DNS-320L has a 1Ghz processor which is more than enough to stream 1080p movies without any problem. I'm using a earlier model DNS-320 (800Mhz processor), it also can handle 1080p streaming without any issue at all. However, I don't quite like the stock software that comes with it, hence I loaded extra software from http://nas-tweaks.net/, and I'm using minidlna to become the DLNA server. I've about 1 TB of movies served out by minidlna to my Samsung 40" DLNA client/renderer. Read more and backup before you do anything with your stock NAS, please don't come and look for me if you screwed up your NAS after tweaking stuffs. I screwed up many times before getting it right. Yes, you are correct. You will need some fundamental linux skills to understand the steps but it is not difficult. No, not true at all as I've mentioned above. |
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Jan 24 2014, 02:56 PM
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My problem with hard disk, solved. Hard disk problem. Today I received new hard disk from seller and it works without any mod with my N40L.
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Jan 25 2014, 09:28 AM
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QUOTE(thamvmk @ Jan 23 2014, 05:29 PM) Hi, Just because you didn't experience it doesn't mean it's not true. There are many possible configurations and hardware. The 320L and even the higher 327L can't stream properly to Android boxes using the built in software. I am talking about files over 10GB btw. However, the problem can be resolve if there is a separate PC using TVERSITY to stream the NAS. The perception that cheaper NAS can't handle the processing requirement of DLNA server is not true at all. The Dlink DNS-320L has a 1Ghz processor which is more than enough to stream 1080p movies without any problem. I'm using a earlier model DNS-320 (800Mhz processor), it also can handle 1080p streaming without any issue at all. However, I don't quite like the stock software that comes with it, hence I loaded extra software from http://nas-tweaks.net/, and I'm using minidlna to become the DLNA server. I've about 1 TB of movies served out by minidlna to my Samsung 40" DLNA client/renderer. Read more and backup before you do anything with your stock NAS, please don't come and look for me if you screwed up your NAS after tweaking stuffs. I screwed up many times before getting it right. Yes, you are correct. You will need some fundamental linux skills to understand the steps but it is not difficult. No, not true at all as I've mentioned above. Probably streaming to a PC is no problem as i have tested that. Not everyone is a Linux guru or wants to be one. Most people bought something like this off the shelf and expect it to work. Not wasting time tinkering with it. I sold my 320L and bought a 327L. 320L ...slow write speed, and even interface is much slower compared to the 327L. But both have same problem when streaming to Android boxes and perhaps other non-PC device. |
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Jan 25 2014, 09:33 AM
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QUOTE(qwerty79 @ Jan 24 2014, 02:56 PM) My problem with hard disk, solved. Hard disk problem. Today I received new hard disk from seller and it works without any mod with my N40L. Congrats. Good that you got that solved. Now time to get more hardisk. |
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Jan 27 2014, 01:35 PM
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Hello Sifu-sifu, need some advise for buying NAS for office of architecture and design:
Below are the needs: * User and folder control * Internet connection to phone and laptop/PC at oversea, locally * Long lasting and maybe scallable in size * Good performance able to handle multiple request, access etc. * RAID and backup support * Good software and firmware Budget is around RM2.5k. Currently looking at Asustor AS-602T with two WD RE4 1TB Drive. (RM2557 with this setup) Any recommendations? Open to over budget suggestions if it is worth. Most of my collegue recommends QNAP and Synology, but there's too much and I don't know which one is good... |
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Jan 27 2014, 02:47 PM
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QUOTE(konakona @ Jan 27 2014, 01:35 PM) Hello Sifu-sifu, need some advise for buying NAS for office of architecture and design: If it's 2 bay with RAID, I assume you're going to use RAID 1?Below are the needs: * User and folder control * Internet connection to phone and laptop/PC at oversea, locally * Long lasting and maybe scallable in size * Good performance able to handle multiple request, access etc. * RAID and backup support * Good software and firmware Budget is around RM2.5k. Currently looking at Asustor AS-602T with two WD RE4 1TB Drive. (RM2557 with this setup) Any recommendations? Open to over budget suggestions if it is worth. Most of my collegue recommends QNAP and Synology, but there's too much and I don't know which one is good... 2 x 1TB in RAID 1 = 1TB storage. Is that enough? You can go for WD Red drives instead for cost savings. They come with 3 year warranty instead of 5 years warranty for RE4. As for NAS, the Asus looks interesting. Looks like the RM 2557 price with 2 x 1TB RE4 with almost no discount. Anyway for support and software / apps maturity, the Synology cannot be beaten. A comparable 2 bay Synology would be the DS713+. Be careful not to get DS712+ which is the older model without USB 3. They are RM 1999. RM 100 more than the Asus. |
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Jan 27 2014, 07:52 PM
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jan 27 2014, 04:47 PM) If it's 2 bay with RAID, I assume you're going to use RAID 1? Yeah RAID 1, easy and less headache. DS713+ + 2TB WD Red is a good deal too, inclining to that now. It's also has an extension bay, so should be fine.2 x 1TB in RAID 1 = 1TB storage. Is that enough? You can go for WD Red drives instead for cost savings. They come with 3 year warranty instead of 5 years warranty for RE4. As for NAS, the Asus looks interesting. Looks like the RM 2557 price with 2 x 1TB RE4 with almost no discount. Anyway for support and software / apps maturity, the Synology cannot be beaten. A comparable 2 bay Synology would be the DS713+. Be careful not to get DS712+ which is the older model without USB 3. They are RM 1999. RM 100 more than the Asus. Thanks for the information! |
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Jan 28 2014, 12:03 AM
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QUOTE(konakona @ Jan 27 2014, 07:52 PM) Yeah RAID 1, easy and less headache. DS713+ + 2TB WD Red is a good deal too, inclining to that now. It's also has an extension bay, so should be fine. Oh yes, forgot about the extension bay too.Thanks for the information! |
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Jan 31 2014, 09:58 AM
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where can i order hp proliant server online?
cos my local shop dont have and they also dont know about it... |
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Jan 31 2014, 07:24 PM
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QUOTE(moiskyrie @ Jan 31 2014, 09:58 AM) where can i order hp proliant server online? I bought mine from lelong.com.my but a bit expensive.cos my local shop dont have and they also dont know about it... Anyway, those who have N40L, what is the transfer rate between pc and N40L connected through wired line? Mine only 11mbs max. |
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Jan 31 2014, 10:29 PM
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may i know which seller?
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Feb 1 2014, 08:46 AM
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QUOTE(qwerty79 @ Jan 31 2014, 07:24 PM) I bought mine from lelong.com.my but a bit expensive. Are you using swtich and is your switch 1Gbps capable? orAnyway, those who have N40L, what is the transfer rate between pc and N40L connected through wired line? Mine only 11mbs max. Are you connect crossover from your PC to your N40L? Chances are you're connecting through a 100Mbps switch, bottleneck, buy a 1Gbps switch and your problem solved, probably can reach 60~90MB/s depending on your hard disk speed. |
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Feb 2 2014, 12:08 AM
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QUOTE(moiskyrie @ Jan 31 2014, 10:29 PM) may i know which seller? In lelong, just search N40L. Seller name is cylan.also around what price? thanks. QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Feb 1 2014, 08:46 AM) Are you using swtich and is your switch 1Gbps capable? or Connect with adsl wifi modem router 150Mbps. I guess it not a gigabit router.Are you connect crossover from your PC to your N40L? Chances are you're connecting through a 100Mbps switch, bottleneck, buy a 1Gbps switch and your problem solved, probably can reach 60~90MB/s depending on your hard disk speed. Usually how does ppl connect their NAS with streamyx line? Buy seperate adsl and router? |
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Feb 2 2014, 08:04 AM
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QUOTE(qwerty79 @ Feb 2 2014, 12:08 AM) In lelong, just search N40L. Seller name is cylan. 150Mbps is your WiFi speed, not your LAN speed. If you are doing file transfers from your computer through your cable (LAN) then it makes sense to get a gigabit router as the speed can reach 100+Mbps. If you prefer WiFi file transfers than it is usually to upgrade to 802.11ac to get the fast speed possible now (assuming your computer also supports 802.11ac connection).Connect with adsl wifi modem router 150Mbps guess it not a gigabit router. Usually how does ppl connect their NAS with streamyx line? Buy seperate adsl and router? |
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Feb 2 2014, 10:45 AM
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QUOTE(qwerty79 @ Feb 2 2014, 12:08 AM) In lelong, just search N40L. Seller name is cylan. For cheapest and easiest way is to buy another Gbps switch and connect all your PC, NAS to it and another short interconnect to your router (ADSL WiFi router?) rather than spend another few hundred to get a router that has gigabit port, Gbps 5-port switch is cheap nowadays, TP-Link brand only cost RM50+? Well, depends on shops as well. Connect with adsl wifi modem router 150Mbps. I guess it not a gigabit router. Usually how does ppl connect their NAS with streamyx line? Buy seperate adsl and router? I still prefer wired over wireless if you need super stable transfer speed, the new AC is great but if you don't have good AC card on both end, it's pretty much useless, WiFi AC router cost more than RM300+ for a starter, the WiFi network card is not included yet. |
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Feb 3 2014, 05:20 PM
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Guys, what is the normal RW speed for NAS (mine-netgear readyNAS 104 with 2x4TB WD red) connected to D-LINK DES 1016 D switch and with unifi 5mbps (i dont know if this is related)?
it seems i only get 8mbs max it could take days to transfer 1TB file This post has been edited by drkpower: Feb 3 2014, 05:25 PM |
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Feb 4 2014, 12:40 AM
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QUOTE(drkpower @ Feb 3 2014, 05:20 PM) Guys, what is the normal RW speed for NAS (mine-netgear readyNAS 104 with 2x4TB WD red) connected to D-LINK DES 1016 D switch and with unifi 5mbps (i dont know if this is related)? If I were you, I would change my router to a nice ASUS one. Then you should be literally able to get 10 times the speed you are getting now(actually more lol)it seems i only get 8mbs max it could take days to transfer 1TB file basically you need a gigabit router as the unifi one is only fastethernet, so the limit is 12.5mBps only... EDIT: oh, you have a switch, so then I guess your PC NIC or your ethernet cable is knocking down the connection to 100mbps from 1gbps. Try to check whether your PC NIC is gigabit or not, and also see whether the cable is faulty or not. I had a crappy cat5e cable before that was stuck at 100mbps. after changing it, straight 1gbps This post has been edited by arslow: Feb 4 2014, 12:43 AM |
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QUOTE(arslow @ Feb 4 2014, 12:40 AM) If I were you, I would change my router to a nice ASUS one. Then you should be literally able to get 10 times the speed you are getting now(actually more lol) so this is not a gigabit right?? basically you need a gigabit router as the unifi one is only fastethernet, so the limit is 12.5mBps only... EDIT: oh, you have a switch, so then I guess your PC NIC or your ethernet cable is knocking down the connection to 100mbps from 1gbps. Try to check whether your PC NIC is gigabit or not, and also see whether the cable is faulty or not. I had a crappy cat5e cable before that was stuck at 100mbps. after changing it, straight 1gbps 100BASE-TX Fast Ethernet how much for a good router? |
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Feb 4 2014, 04:48 PM
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QUOTE(drkpower @ Feb 4 2014, 10:12 AM) so this is not a gigabit right?? Just change your switch, cheaper and less headache, for cheap layer-1 switch it's plug&play.100BASE-TX Fast Ethernet how much for a good router? If you seriously needs 16-ports Gbps switch then it's much expensive, more than RM200+ (DLink brand), not so sure about TP-Link though. 8-port Gbps switch is around RM100 or less. And about your "8mbps", is it MegaBytes? or Megabits? Huge difference there. |
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Feb 4 2014, 05:43 PM
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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Feb 4 2014, 04:48 PM) Just change your switch, cheaper and less headache, for cheap layer-1 switch it's plug&play. thanks for your reply broIf you seriously needs 16-ports Gbps switch then it's much expensive, more than RM200+ (DLink brand), not so sure about TP-Link though. 8-port Gbps switch is around RM100 or less. And about your "8mbps", is it MegaBytes? or Megabits? Huge difference there. it is 8 megabyte/second my friend came to the office just now and he said my Ethernet cable is an ancient one..cat5 and he also suggest change to a better switch |
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Feb 4 2014, 06:07 PM
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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Feb 4 2014, 04:48 PM) Just change your switch, cheaper and less headache, for cheap layer-1 switch it's plug&play. can those cheap switches actually sustain a 1gbps speed? something tells me no If you seriously needs 16-ports Gbps switch then it's much expensive, more than RM200+ (DLink brand), not so sure about TP-Link though. 8-port Gbps switch is around RM100 or less. And about your "8mbps", is it MegaBytes? or Megabits? Huge difference there. Ok, maybe I guess if it just one connection it should be ok, but have never tried before. |
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Feb 4 2014, 09:52 PM
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QUOTE(drkpower @ Feb 4 2014, 05:43 PM) thanks for your reply bro Cat5, erm... well Cat5e can sustain 1Gbps speed without any issue in my home's network, but I'm not so sure about huge office environment (more than 20 PCs).it is 8 megabyte/second my friend came to the office just now and he said my Ethernet cable is an ancient one..cat5 and he also suggest change to a better switch For home network where there's less than 5 busy devices on a single network, it's fine to use just Cat5e with cheap layer-1 switch, no issue at all. QUOTE(arslow @ Feb 4 2014, 06:07 PM) can those cheap switches actually sustain a 1gbps speed? something tells me no I'm using DLink 8-port Gbps switch, no issue on my end yet, been running months non-stop, the only bottleneck could be my hard disk, running without any RAID.Ok, maybe I guess if it just one connection it should be ok, but have never tried before. To maximize the huge files transfer speed in Windows network, you can actually set the Jumbo frame to 4K and above, but best to set a standard amount (4K or 8K, etc.) for all PC's network card for stability issue, it has been tested on my end here, from 60MB/s to 75MB/s, could be more depends on the hard disk speed again, can reach 90MB/s and above easily with really fast hard disk or SSD on both end. For few PCs access a single device, that'll again depends on the hard disk accessibility speed, also it may depends on the services as well, priority queues stuff like that. I have 2 PCs access a single file shares before, watching full HD movie on both sides without any issue, no lags at all, but if you going to seek the movie, probably will need to pause for few seconds (lag) instead of instantaneous seek. |
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Feb 4 2014, 10:10 PM
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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Feb 4 2014, 09:52 PM) Cat5, erm... well Cat5e can sustain 1Gbps speed without any issue in my home's network, but I'm not so sure about huge office environment (more than 20 PCs). thanks bro for your replyFor home network where there's less than 5 busy devices on a single network, it's fine to use just Cat5e with cheap layer-1 switch, no issue at all. I'm using DLink 8-port Gbps switch, no issue on my end yet, been running months non-stop, the only bottleneck could be my hard disk, running without any RAID. To maximize the huge files transfer speed in Windows network, you can actually set the Jumbo frame to 4K and above, but best to set a standard amount (4K or 8K, etc.) for all PC's network card for stability issue, it has been tested on my end here, from 60MB/s to 75MB/s, could be more depends on the hard disk speed again, can reach 90MB/s and above easily with really fast hard disk or SSD on both end. For few PCs access a single device, that'll again depends on the hard disk accessibility speed, also it may depends on the services as well, priority queues stuff like that. I have 2 PCs access a single file shares before, watching full HD movie on both sides without any issue, no lags at all, but if you going to seek the movie, probably will need to pause for few seconds (lag) instead of instantaneous seek. i think im gonna change the cable and see how it goes |
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Feb 4 2014, 11:47 PM
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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Feb 4 2014, 09:52 PM) Cat5, erm... well Cat5e can sustain 1Gbps speed without any issue in my home's network, but I'm not so sure about huge office environment (more than 20 PCs). yeah, for home use, cheap switch should be good enough. Ive not tried jumbo frmaes yet since I get 100mbps+ most of the time copying files from my PC to NAS/vice versa. But there are certain times where certain files copy at 50-60mbps only for no apparent reason,maybe jumbo frames might help that For home network where there's less than 5 busy devices on a single network, it's fine to use just Cat5e with cheap layer-1 switch, no issue at all. I'm using DLink 8-port Gbps switch, no issue on my end yet, been running months non-stop, the only bottleneck could be my hard disk, running without any RAID. To maximize the huge files transfer speed in Windows network, you can actually set the Jumbo frame to 4K and above, but best to set a standard amount (4K or 8K, etc.) for all PC's network card for stability issue, it has been tested on my end here, from 60MB/s to 75MB/s, could be more depends on the hard disk speed again, can reach 90MB/s and above easily with really fast hard disk or SSD on both end. For few PCs access a single device, that'll again depends on the hard disk accessibility speed, also it may depends on the services as well, priority queues stuff like that. I have 2 PCs access a single file shares before, watching full HD movie on both sides without any issue, no lags at all, but if you going to seek the movie, probably will need to pause for few seconds (lag) instead of instantaneous seek. |
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Feb 5 2014, 09:22 AM
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QUOTE(arslow @ Feb 4 2014, 06:07 PM) can those cheap switches actually sustain a 1gbps speed? something tells me no Cheap switches have no problem with 1gbps. You will saturate your hdd speed way before the network speed. Unless you have maybe 4 machines trying to copyhuge files over the network simultaneously.Ok, maybe I guess if it just one connection it should be ok, but have never tried before. This post has been edited by Matrix: Feb 5 2014, 09:23 AM |
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Feb 6 2014, 12:12 PM
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anyone knows the samsung drives f3 is now branded as what model under SG?
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Feb 8 2014, 01:03 AM
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QUOTE(Lurker @ Feb 6 2014, 12:12 PM) anyone knows the samsung drives f3 is now branded as what model under SG? ST1000DM003, that's the nearest model currently available from Seagate. CODE http://www.seagate.com/as/en/internal-hard-drives/desktop-hard-drives/desktop-hdd/#specs |
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Feb 13 2014, 10:23 AM
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Planning to get a synology but there's so many of them
Going to need a minimum of 2 bays, and only light home use (1-2 user video streaming & file backups). Is DS213air the right choice ? |
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Feb 13 2014, 10:49 AM
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Is there any Synology NAS that have cloud function with 2 hdd bay?
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Feb 13 2014, 08:45 PM
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QUOTE(corad @ Feb 13 2014, 10:23 AM) Planning to get a synology but there's so many of them If you dont need USB3.0, get the DS213j will do Going to need a minimum of 2 bays, and only light home use (1-2 user video streaming & file backups). Is DS213air the right choice ? |
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Feb 13 2014, 08:48 PM
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QUOTE(Assassin @ Feb 13 2014, 10:49 AM) Is there any Synology NAS that have cloud function with 2 hdd bay? You can use the compare production function to check which model has what feature http://www.synology.com/en-global/products/compare_products Update: Seems like all 2 bays DS model all support Cloud Station http://www.synology.com/en-global/products...DS213j/DS213air This post has been edited by philipcs: Feb 13 2014, 08:50 PM |
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Feb 14 2014, 02:42 AM
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So.......
I have changed my switch to TP-Link Gigabit switch and Cat6E cable but still the transfer is too damn slow..only 3MB/s (now i know the difference between MB/s and mb/s lol) Before i changed the cables and switch..even transferring between pc is damn slow somewhere around 12MB/s but now it increased to 40MB/s Could it be NAS (ReadyNAS 104) problem?? |
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Feb 14 2014, 08:35 AM
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QUOTE(drkpower @ Feb 14 2014, 02:42 AM) So....... If your NAS couldn't even max out your previous 100Mbps switch then not worth the upgrade of switch and cable (Cat6) I have changed my switch to TP-Link Gigabit switch and Cat6E cable but still the transfer is too damn slow..only 3MB/s (now i know the difference between MB/s and mb/s lol) Before i changed the cables and switch..even transferring between pc is damn slow somewhere around 12MB/s but now it increased to 40MB/s Could it be NAS (ReadyNAS 104) problem?? What's your configuration of your NAS? Perhaps some gurus here can help you optimize the configuration and makes it transfer faster. Transfer between PC always bottleneck by the hard disk speed, but it also can be affected the OS as well, going for Windows Server has actually increase the transfer rate much further (from Windows 7 to Windows Server 2008), ranging from 60MB/s max (peak for Windows 7) to 80MB/s max (peak for Windows Server 2008), but of course you're looking at spending more on the licenses. |
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Feb 14 2014, 08:54 AM
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Using this http://www.synology.com/en-global/support/nas_selector
It recommends DS214play & DS713+ . After reading reviews I'm leaning towards to DS214play since it's marketed as a home media NAS and I don't really need the expansion ports of the DS713+. Appreciate any comments before I take the plunge |
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Feb 14 2014, 10:58 AM
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Synology DS214+ sufficient for small office use of less than 20 staff? They only use for storing office files. The user need to access NAS from mobile and remote using cloud.
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Feb 17 2014, 10:42 AM
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Going to go for the Synology 214play
What drives should I pair with it ? Was recommended WD Red |
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Feb 17 2014, 01:18 PM
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QUOTE(corad @ Feb 17 2014, 10:42 AM) Going to go for the Synology 214play If budget not an issue, go with recommended HDD, WD RED because WD and few NAS company (Synology is one of them) joint design and develop the RED model. What drives should I pair with it ? Was recommended WD Red The supported NAS will optimize the performance and stability of RED HDD via the firmware design. If want to go budget, GREEN also ok, as i am using my GREEN on DNS-323 for many years already still going strong |
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Feb 18 2014, 08:18 PM
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Hi, those who use N40L. Is RAID working properly if I run XPEnology DSM?
I would it worth more than DS413J qwerty79 |
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Feb 19 2014, 12:10 AM
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QUOTE(blacktubi @ Feb 18 2014, 08:18 PM) Hi, those who use N40L. Is RAID working properly if I run XPEnology DSM? I'm sorry, I haven't try raid yet but it should work properly.I would it worth more than DS413J qwerty79 |
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Feb 20 2014, 04:57 PM
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Hi all, been reading through the discussion , and picked up alot of good points.
However, i still need to ask a few questions. I am looking for a solution to cater the following : 1) NAS to be able to play full hd movies ( > 10gb ) without lagging. I will be hooking up the NAS directly to my router and my media player will be connected to the router as well ( wired ). 2) Ability to download torrents independently. 3) Possibility of a built in ability to unrar the downloaded files ( good to have ) 4) Cheap Thanks a bunch. edit : im not too worried about my data backup, as it will only hold movies and songs. This post has been edited by this issit!: Feb 20 2014, 05:03 PM |
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Feb 22 2014, 09:07 PM
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QUOTE(qwerty79 @ Feb 19 2014, 12:10 AM) I'm sorry, I haven't try raid yet but it should work properly. Where you bought yours bro?Anyone know where can I buy this apart from lelong |
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Feb 23 2014, 09:18 PM
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QUOTE(blacktubi @ Feb 22 2014, 09:07 PM) Where you bought yours bro? From lelong.Anyone know where can I buy this apart from lelong Not much choice here. |
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Mar 11 2014, 03:08 PM
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Mar 12 2014, 11:59 PM
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hi guys, about a month ago i just bought wd mybook live 2TB on an impulse buy (i've meant to buy the much superior wd mycloud but all shops at lowyat then got no stock). so im stuck with this NAS that's quite slow and apparently outdated......is there any tweak/tips on how to increase its performance? i dont want it to be an expensive brick to baling anjing instead.
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Mar 13 2014, 11:11 AM
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Anyone knows a good retailer for Synology in Malaysia ?
Preferably online unless retail store has good pricing too |
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Mar 13 2014, 12:12 PM
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QUOTE(McFazo @ Mar 12 2014, 11:59 PM) hi guys, about a month ago i just bought wd mybook live 2TB on an impulse buy (i've meant to buy the much superior wd mycloud but all shops at lowyat then got no stock). so im stuck with this NAS that's quite slow and apparently outdated......is there any tweak/tips on how to increase its performance? i dont want it to be an expensive brick to baling anjing instead. true,when switching between files,it take quite a few second to respond,very sluggish,same problem here |
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Mar 18 2014, 11:25 PM
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I just updated to DSM 5. It looks great and speed seems to be faster.
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QUOTE(ronaldjoe @ Mar 18 2014, 11:25 PM) I just updated to DSM 5. It looks great and speed seems to be faster. Will try it out these few days. I'm still on 4.2. Attached thumbnail(s) 
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Mar 19 2014, 03:28 AM) Will try it out these few days. I'm still on 4.2. It would need to go 2 steps from 4.2 to 4.3, then from 4.3 to DSM5.0. |
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Mar 20 2014, 10:16 AM
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QUOTE(ronaldjoe @ Mar 20 2014, 07:28 AM) It would need to go 2 steps from 4.2 to 4.3, then from 4.3 to DSM5.0. Thanks for the tip. Will get to it when it's ideal time to shut down. |
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Mar 21 2014, 08:01 PM
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QUOTE(ronaldjoe @ Mar 18 2014, 11:25 PM) I just updated to DSM 5. It looks great and speed seems to be faster. i still on dsm4.0 , if upgrade to latest dsm5.0 will lose all the data ? |
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Mar 22 2014, 04:24 PM
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QUOTE(gahkin @ Mar 21 2014, 08:01 PM) i still on dsm4.0 , if upgrade to latest dsm5.0 will lose all the data ? No bro, all data remain intact.Only update DSM. Then update Apps package in package center in control panel. |
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Mar 22 2014, 11:01 PM
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QUOTE(ronaldjoe @ Mar 22 2014, 04:24 PM) No bro, all data remain intact. ok thanksOnly update DSM. Then update Apps package in package center in control panel. |
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Mar 22 2014, 11:14 PM
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QUOTE(ronaldjoe @ Mar 18 2014, 11:25 PM) I just updated to DSM 5. It looks great and speed seems to be faster. you using which nas model ??? |
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Mar 23 2014, 01:05 AM
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QUOTE(JinXXX @ Mar 22 2014, 11:14 PM) you using which nas model ??? 1812+ bro, been using it almost a year. |
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Mar 23 2014, 12:19 PM
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QUOTE(ronaldjoe @ Mar 23 2014, 01:05 AM) 1812+ bro, been using it almost a year. OMG.. fu..used up all 8 bays ? how u split them 2 raid 5 ? or 1 big chuck ?always wanted the 15xx series or the 18xx..somehow the price seems abit extreme to me, /poor fag/ |
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Mar 23 2014, 11:35 PM
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i still using ds211j , 2 x 500gb ( raid 0 ) , now harddisk almost out the space soon. if worth to upgrade to another hdd or just get 4 bay to run raid ? wat mean of the SHR ? is powerful tat raid 1 ??
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Mar 24 2014, 02:10 AM
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Hi, I've two WD 2TB drives connected in a Dlink DNS-320L as Volume 1 & 2, both mapped as X & Y. Working fine till lately when the 320L seems to lose the connection with Volume 1 (X) and I can't access drive X: as a mapped drive.
From the Dlink web access app (ie thru it's IP), I can see both drives physically connected as Drive 1 & Drive 2 (and can even run SMART tests thru the Dlink web access app on both drives) but I only see 320L recognizing Volume 2. I tried using the Setup Wizard and it allows me to select Volume 1 but also warns that if I proceed, it'll format (both) drives - which is now what I want. Is there anyway I can reconnect Volume 1 to be recognize by the 320L without having to reformat the drive? thanks. |
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Mar 24 2014, 02:10 AM
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There's no RAID config involved...
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Mar 25 2014, 10:39 AM
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Finally got down to ordering the Synology 214Play.
Just checking with the sifus if : Synology 214Play @ RM1300 WD Red 2TB @RM 350 is a fair deal ? |
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Mar 25 2014, 09:47 PM
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The coolest part of DSM 5.0 - CMS. Perfect management tool.
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Mar 28 2014, 02:41 PM
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Anyone using WD my Cloud? Wanna hear some comment before buying..
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Mar 29 2014, 11:53 AM
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QUOTE(kop2299 @ Mar 28 2014, 02:41 PM) Anyone using WD my Cloud? Wanna hear some comment before buying.. i one of the user...i buy it cos i can get at cost price directly from WD.. everything is good except when u trying to copying 2TB of movie to this drive...it take days ... it cant do direct USB except using SSH.. the only issue ppl have the trying accessing the storage from outside.. not sure it is because of modem or my unifi line suck sometime i not able to log in to my cloud...any pro here know how to set up port forwarding or the correct way to set up and diagnose the cloud connection? |
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Apr 7 2014, 11:21 AM
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QUOTE(stevenlee @ Mar 29 2014, 11:53 AM) i one of the user... 2tb over ethernet line?i buy it cos i can get at cost price directly from WD.. everything is good except when u trying to copying 2TB of movie to this drive...it take days ... it cant do direct USB except using SSH.. the only issue ppl have the trying accessing the storage from outside.. not sure it is because of modem or my unifi line suck sometime i not able to log in to my cloud...any pro here know how to set up port forwarding or the correct way to set up and diagnose the cloud connection? confirm will take days havent tried gigabit yet? last week i think there was server issue as i got mail from WD for the service interruption today everything is smooth can connect with my phone how fast is the myCloud for bittorrent downloading? can it stream iso files to media players? my wdlive can't seem to share ISO files |
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Apr 7 2014, 05:36 PM
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QUOTE(TrOwA008 @ Apr 7 2014, 11:21 AM) 2tb over ethernet line? Ya receive email from them as well..confirm will take days havent tried gigabit yet? last week i think there was server issue as i got mail from WD for the service interruption today everything is smooth can connect with my phone how fast is the myCloud for bittorrent downloading? can it stream iso files to media players? my wdlive can't seem to share ISO files now everything fix... i dont think mycloud can bt.. the only function different mycloud and book live is streaming media directly when u not in same network... it act like cloud storage like those box and google drive ... streaming only work on android device ..ios need special method to get it stream directly |
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Apr 8 2014, 08:44 PM
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Recent update of Synology DSM 5.0 and the update of Synology mobile apps allow me to cast video, audio and photo from my NAS to TV via Chromecast
Very useful!
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Apr 8 2014, 10:58 PM
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QUOTE(philipcs @ Apr 8 2014, 08:44 PM) Recent update of Synology DSM 5.0 and the update of Synology mobile apps allow me to cast video, audio and photo from my NAS to TV via Chromecast Philip, Very useful!
How does this work? Care to share more; and what are the videos format that can be played? |
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Apr 9 2014, 02:45 AM
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QUOTE(philipcs @ Apr 8 2014, 08:44 PM) Recent update of Synology DSM 5.0 and the update of Synology mobile apps allow me to cast video, audio and photo from my NAS to TV via Chromecast ChromeCast is not very powerful. try get the MiniPC.. with quadcore and same function as chromecast.. Very useful!
in fact Chromecast ...they called as MINI PC . just like your android phone but able use HDMI as output to TV. |
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Apr 9 2014, 02:15 PM
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QUOTE(ronaldjoe @ Apr 8 2014, 10:58 PM) Philip, I have Synology mobile app, DS Video installed in my iPhone / iPad.How does this work? Care to share more; and what are the videos format that can be played? Open the video from the DS Video app and you will see the Casting button on the top right. Then you can choose which chromecast to play the video in TV. However, I have observed the below limitation of chromecast: - It not supporting AVI and RMVB file format, i haven't try the MKV yet. - Playing full HD (1080p) is a bit lagging and could be due to the reason Chromecast is running on Wifi or poor performance of Chromecast. |
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Apr 9 2014, 02:17 PM
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QUOTE(kinx @ Apr 9 2014, 02:45 AM) ChromeCast is not very powerful. try get the MiniPC.. with quadcore and same function as chromecast.. Yes, chrome is not powerful at all and unable to playback 1080p, at least from Synology mobile apps. I am sure 2nd generation of Chromecast will be better in term of Full HD playback performance.in fact Chromecast ...they called as MINI PC . just like your android phone but able use HDMI as output to TV. For me, I prefer Android tv box because I can play anything from any file server, USB drive, HDD in Full HD video via 1Gb LAN. |
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Apr 10 2014, 12:10 AM
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Philip, thanks for sharing
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Apr 13 2014, 07:03 PM
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Hi, any suggestion for beginner use (Home User)? Budget < RM500
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Apr 13 2014, 10:19 PM
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QUOTE(philipcs @ Apr 9 2014, 02:15 PM) I have Synology mobile app, DS Video installed in my iPhone / iPad. Where can I get the chromecast in Malaysia ? Tried searching and Groupon seems to be the only place but deal is over.Open the video from the DS Video app and you will see the Casting button on the top right. Then you can choose which chromecast to play the video in TV. However, I have observed the below limitation of chromecast: - It not supporting AVI and RMVB file format, i haven't try the MKV yet. - Playing full HD (1080p) is a bit lagging and could be due to the reason Chromecast is running on Wifi or poor performance of Chromecast. |
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Apr 14 2014, 09:50 PM
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QUOTE(corad @ Apr 13 2014, 10:19 PM) Where can I get the chromecast in Malaysia ? Tried searching and Groupon seems to be the only place but deal is over. I got it from the forumer here. |
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Apr 18 2014, 09:29 AM
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QUOTE(ander7724 @ Sep 6 2013, 06:09 PM) yup, for RM300 can get another WD Red 2 tb to plug into the NAS Where can I buy 2TB at RM300?but you still can have plenty of choices with price cheaper than rm300 in the 'Home Electronics & Homewares' section. |
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Apr 22 2014, 06:23 PM
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WD My Cloud 2TB on sale at RM469 until 27th April at All IT Digital Mall. Is it a good deal?
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May 2 2014, 06:38 PM
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Hi Guys,
Could anyone recommend me a NAS with price around 600++ for torrent purpose ? Preferable to comes with HDD too. Many Thanks ! |
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May 3 2014, 08:14 PM
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just want to share
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May 4 2014, 02:08 PM
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Can someone guide me how to transfer files from synology to qnap on the same LAN the fastest way.
I have around 10TB data to transfer |
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May 4 2014, 03:39 PM
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Hii all,
please recommend cheapest dual bay NAS avail n how much izzit,need it to run my BT 24/7... previously looking for Dlink 320 but some forumer here said go for 327L,dunno why...also what the cheapest from synology. but i understand price differ a lot,izzit worth it? thanx... |
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May 5 2014, 08:24 AM
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QUOTE(wwkkww @ May 4 2014, 02:08 PM) Can someone guide me how to transfer files from synology to qnap on the same LAN the fastest way. I never played with those NAS before, but have found those NAS has feature known as FXP that allow FTP transfer between 2 servers/NASes. I have around 10TB data to transfer |
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May 5 2014, 05:37 PM
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QUOTE(wwkkww @ May 4 2014, 02:08 PM) Can someone guide me how to transfer files from synology to qnap on the same LAN the fastest way. You can use your Synology DSM File Station, mount the remote folder from your Qnap.I have around 10TB data to transfer Then copy directly from Synology to QNAP without using PC. If you are on 1Gb LAN, then the speed will be much faster too. 
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May 5 2014, 05:43 PM
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QUOTE(itadakimatsu @ May 4 2014, 03:39 PM) Hii all, Cheapest 2 Bays NAS, i think Dlink 320.please recommend cheapest dual bay NAS avail n how much izzit,need it to run my BT 24/7... previously looking for Dlink 320 but some forumer here said go for 327L,dunno why...also what the cheapest from synology. but i understand price differ a lot,izzit worth it? thanx... If you want more feature and functionality, i will go for Synology. I paid RM585 for DS213J and i am so far very happy with my purchase if you want to know more about what Synology can do, try to google Synology DSM to learn more. This post has been edited by philipcs: May 5 2014, 08:21 PM |
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May 5 2014, 11:21 PM
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QUOTE(philipcs @ May 5 2014, 05:37 PM) You can use your Synology DSM File Station, mount the remote folder from your Qnap. Thanks for the help.. That is what I did now. But still figuring how to setup a network backup with RSYNC/RTRR server between my N54L XPenology and TS470 proThen copy directly from Synology to QNAP without using PC. If you are on 1Gb LAN, then the speed will be much faster too.
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May 5 2014, 11:48 PM
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QUOTE(wwkkww @ May 5 2014, 11:21 PM) Thanks for the help.. That is what I did now. But still figuring how to setup a network backup with RSYNC/RTRR server between my N54L XPenology and TS470 pro May I know where you buy your N54L.Hardly found it anywhere online |
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May 6 2014, 06:58 AM
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QUOTE(blacktubi @ May 5 2014, 11:48 PM) May I know where you buy your N54L. Low Yat HP store still have plenty stock for N54L and also the Gen8 microserver. Price is around 800 for N54L and 1500 for Gen8Hardly found it anywhere online |
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May 6 2014, 01:12 PM
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QUOTE(philipcs @ May 5 2014, 05:43 PM) Cheapest 2 Bays NAS, i think Dlink 320. RM585 is cheap, willing to share where you bought it from? If you want more feature and functionality, i will go for Synology. I paid RM585 for DS213J and i am so far very happy with my purchase if you want to know more about what Synology can do, try to google Synology DSM to learn more. |
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May 6 2014, 02:37 PM
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QUOTE(wwkkww @ May 5 2014, 11:21 PM) Thanks for the help.. That is what I did now. But still figuring how to setup a network backup with RSYNC/RTRR server between my N54L XPenology and TS470 pro I followed this guide to turn my old Dlink 323 to RSync server to backup my data in Synology DS213J.http://www.fatdex.net/php/2013/05/20/how-t...ackup-location/ Dont use RSYNC if you just want to "copy" data from old NAS to new NAS. The RSync speed is very slow by design. For backup wise, then ok to use RSYNC |
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May 6 2014, 02:38 PM
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QUOTE(Nando's @ May 6 2014, 01:12 PM) RM585 is cheap, willing to share where you bought it from? Try to ask @Devour |
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May 6 2014, 03:05 PM
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Alright, thanks!
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May 7 2014, 06:28 PM
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Hey guys I'd like to ask what do you guys do when you need to upgrade the storage space on your NAS? Let's assume that you're using a 4 bay NAS with 1TB each running on RAID 5 and you run out of space and want to replace all 4 HDDs with 3TB ones. Is it possible to remove one 1TB HDD and replace it with a 3TB and rebuild and repeat till u replace all of it and then expand the storage to 9TB?
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May 7 2014, 07:01 PM
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QUOTE(ttz @ May 7 2014, 06:28 PM) Hey guys I'd like to ask what do you guys do when you need to upgrade the storage space on your NAS? Let's assume that you're using a 4 bay NAS with 1TB each running on RAID 5 and you run out of space and want to replace all 4 HDDs with 3TB ones. Is it possible to remove one 1TB HDD and replace it with a 3TB and rebuild and repeat till u replace all of it and then expand the storage to 9TB? Good tutorial from....http://www.synology.com/en-global/support/tutorials/560 |
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May 7 2014, 07:09 PM
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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ May 7 2014, 07:01 PM) Thanks! |
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May 8 2014, 07:56 AM
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QUOTE(ttz @ May 7 2014, 06:28 PM) Hey guys I'd like to ask what do you guys do when you need to upgrade the storage space on your NAS? Let's assume that you're using a 4 bay NAS with 1TB each running on RAID 5 and you run out of space and want to replace all 4 HDDs with 3TB ones. Is it possible to remove one 1TB HDD and replace it with a 3TB and rebuild and repeat till u replace all of it and then expand the storage to 9TB? The idea is nice. But I dare not think about how long the rebuild time is going to take. |
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May 10 2014, 04:35 PM
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Dear expert, I am newbie for NAS. May I know what NAS functioning? I just know for storage only. Thanks
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May 10 2014, 06:21 PM
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QUOTE(wwkkww @ May 6 2014, 06:58 AM) Low Yat HP store still have plenty stock for N54L and also the Gen8 microserver. Price is around 800 for N54L and 1500 for Gen8 wat's the spec of your N54L and total price you paid for?I'm not familiar with Low Yat, which floor is the HP store? |
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May 10 2014, 07:42 PM
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ May 8 2014, 07:56 AM) The idea is nice. But I dare not think about how long the rebuild time is going to take. Mine was approx 1 day to rebuild 8 x 3TB. WaNaWe900 liked this post
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May 11 2014, 08:05 AM
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speaking of rebuilding speed, I'm parking this link here for future reference >> http://forum.qnap.com/viewtopic.php?t=10268
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May 13 2014, 11:19 AM
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QUOTE(petlu28 @ May 10 2014, 04:35 PM) Dear expert, I am newbie for NAS. May I know what NAS functioning? I just know for storage only. Thanks network storage,for example if its connected to the wireless router in your home,everyone connecting to your network would have read n write access to it if there's no restriction placed |
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May 13 2014, 11:25 AM
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QUOTE(philipcs @ May 5 2014, 05:43 PM) Cheapest 2 Bays NAS, i think Dlink 320. dam cheap, mine DS213j last time price around 700++.If you want more feature and functionality, i will go for Synology. I paid RM585 for DS213J and i am so far very happy with my purchase if you want to know more about what Synology can do, try to google Synology DSM to learn more. anyway, those who always download movies, i also recommend synology, it got download manager n movie manager which is good. i downloaded and stream the movies in my pc, tablet, phones and even sometimes i streaming the movies from my friends house. its like u got ur own movie server |
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May 13 2014, 01:15 PM
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QUOTE(philipcs @ May 5 2014, 05:43 PM) Cheapest 2 Bays NAS, i think Dlink 320. DS213j no more rm585,i ask several seller cheapest i find is rm690 now If you want more feature and functionality, i will go for Synology. I paid RM585 for DS213J and i am so far very happy with my purchase if you want to know more about what Synology can do, try to google Synology DSM to learn more. |
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May 13 2014, 01:51 PM
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Those on budget can try the DLINK DNS-327. It has decent write speed (can hit over 60Mbps) and functions to download torrents or direct downloads as well as free service for dynamic IP hostname, so you can access your NAS from the internet without worrying it changes IP. Only RM399 or less. Does the job good so far. Just stay away from the lowest end DNS-320...this will suck with turtle write speed.
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May 13 2014, 03:29 PM
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QUOTE(ronaldjoe @ May 10 2014, 07:42 PM) Mine was approx 1 day to rebuild 8 x 3TB. 1 day for replacing a like for like 3TB for 3TB.For people like ttz, you need to replace the 1TB to 3TB. Than x 4 !! |
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May 13 2014, 11:07 PM
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1) If I buy 2 bay NAS, can I mixed with surveillance hardisk?
2) NAS compatible any sound system? 3) NASA can use for surf net & torrent? QUOTE(quadcube @ May 13 2014, 11:19 AM) network storage,for example if its connected to the wireless router in your home,everyone connecting to your network would have read n write access to it if there's no restriction placed This post has been edited by petlu28: May 13 2014, 11:09 PM |
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May 13 2014, 11:12 PM
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May I know what Synology feature & functionality have?
QUOTE(philipcs @ May 5 2014, 05:43 PM) Cheapest 2 Bays NAS, i think Dlink 320. If you want more feature and functionality, i will go for Synology. I paid RM585 for DS213J and i am so far very happy with my purchase if you want to know more about what Synology can do, try to google Synology DSM to learn more. |
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May 13 2014, 11:40 PM
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Are Synology add on package apps free or need purchase?
QUOTE(philipcs @ May 5 2014, 05:43 PM) Cheapest 2 Bays NAS, i think Dlink 320. If you want more feature and functionality, i will go for Synology. I paid RM585 for DS213J and i am so far very happy with my purchase if you want to know more about what Synology can do, try to google Synology DSM to learn more. |
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May 14 2014, 06:37 PM
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QUOTE(petlu28 @ May 13 2014, 11:07 PM) 1) If I buy 2 bay NAS, can I mixed with surveillance hardisk? 1) if everything is connected in the network,yes2) NAS compatible any sound system? 3) NASA can use for surf net & torrent? 2) no idea about sound system 3) torrent yes with custom software,surf net i dun think so |
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May 14 2014, 06:54 PM
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First of all, learn how to use the [+QUOTE] and [EDIT] to avoid too many posts. QUOTE(petlu28 @ May 13 2014, 11:07 PM) 1) If I buy 2 bay NAS, can I mixed with surveillance hardisk? 1. All types of hard disk if supported, but if you going for RAID, it's advised to use same build of hard disk for best result.2) NAS compatible any sound system? 3) NASA can use for surf net & torrent? 2. NAS is for storage purpose, no sound output, just like a server. 3. It can torrent for you but not surf the net, it's not a PC to begin with, it's just a simple storage system (with some other server based features depends on the brand/model). QUOTE(petlu28 @ May 13 2014, 11:12 PM) May I know what Synology feature & functionality have? QUOTE(petlu28 @ May 13 2014, 11:40 PM) Are Synology add on package apps free or need purchase? Please use Google or just head on to Synology website to read, this is way beyond spoon feed. |
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Jun 10 2014, 02:08 AM
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Hi all, I have watched some videos about NAS and need a NAS that can manage my work and private files. I am quite impressed with Synology and its DSM's cloud station.
However, I could not see clearly how the cloud station handles the separation of private and work folders from reviews or videos. Anyone here that got more experience in this aspect? |
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Jun 14 2014, 09:16 PM
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Finally got myself one DS214 since N40L is impossible to find now. While HP G8 is hit and miss for compatibility with Xpenology.
Anyway if anyone is interested, the G8 is just RM999 from Lowyat's HP shop. |
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Jun 16 2014, 10:34 PM
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FYI, the HP Gen8 which is selling at 999rm comes with 500gb and 2G ram along with a dvd drive.
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Jun 22 2014, 12:41 PM
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Hi all,
Would like to ask, I am planning to purchase a nas system the ds413j to be exact. So the question is do I need to upgrade my internet infrastructure. Currently is the basic tm unifi wifi set will it suffice ?? |
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Jun 22 2014, 01:07 PM
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QUOTE(harakiri90 @ Jun 22 2014, 12:41 PM) Hi all, Get a better router, the TM one just support Wireless N 300Mbit and Ethernet 100Mbit.Would like to ask, I am planning to purchase a nas system the ds413j to be exact. So the question is do I need to upgrade my internet infrastructure. Currently is the basic tm unifi wifi set will it suffice ?? That would be bad either for Wireless or Ethernet. |
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Jun 22 2014, 05:20 PM
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QUOTE(blacktubi @ Jun 22 2014, 01:07 PM) Get a better router, the TM one just support Wireless N 300Mbit and Ethernet 100Mbit. Thanks so what is a good router to support the nas and unifi with hypp tv ?That would be bad either for Wireless or Ethernet. |
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Jun 22 2014, 06:42 PM
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QUOTE(harakiri90 @ Jun 22 2014, 05:20 PM) Thanks so what is a good router to support the nas and unifi with hypp tv ? Depends on how much budget you got.TP-LINK 1043ND support Unifi HyppTV If you got more budget, go for Asus. The more expensive the better |
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Jul 12 2014, 10:47 AM
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QUOTE(blacktubi @ Jun 22 2014, 06:42 PM) Depends on how much budget you got. which model?TP-LINK 1043ND support Unifi HyppTV If you got more budget, go for Asus. The more expensive the better |
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Jul 12 2014, 11:20 AM
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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Jul 12 2014, 10:47 AM) which model? A lot of model to choose from. Look for the AC series for faster wireless |
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Jul 12 2014, 12:16 PM
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QUOTE(blacktubi @ Jul 12 2014, 11:20 AM) A lot of model to choose from. Look for the AC series for faster wireless Thanks for the tip. |
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Aug 10 2014, 01:06 PM
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Guys wanna ask is it sufficient if I get the DS112j or have to fork out around RM700+ to get a decent NAS?
My criteria is able to play atleast 720p over my TV and other devices, decent read/write. I do not actually requite 2 bay because I have a local DAS of RAID 1 4TB. I basically need a NAS so I can access my data whereever I go and also occasional stream of movies. |
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Aug 12 2014, 03:30 AM
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Made a video to help those thinking of using Freenas to create Network share at home?
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Aug 18 2014, 09:48 AM
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QUOTE(ricstc @ Aug 12 2014, 03:30 AM) Made a video to help those thinking of using Freenas to create Network share at home? nice,thanks! » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « |
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Aug 21 2014, 04:52 AM
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okay so here goes, my plans for a DIY home NAS
> planning to setup home NAS using a cheap PC deal that i MIGHT be able to get > old C2D or Celeron, 4GB DDR2 RAM, more than sufficient. ill just find a decent sized casing that supports 4 drives at least (i think its a microserver, HP7800 or HP7900 series) > assuming they have enough SATA ports to support the amount of drives i plan to put, i might change to a 2 drive NAS setup instead of my original 4 > planning to boot it using FreeNAS through a pendrive boot (is this okay?) > planning to throw in 1x4TB WD Green or Red atm, before expanding to more in future > main purpose is for entertainment/media streaming and my regular PC data backup okay now question time 1. How do i setup the NAS based on my network? This is what i think it is atm PC<LAN cable/wireless<Router/Modem>LAN port>NAS This is the usual setup right? 2. Using Maxis 10Mbps FTTH with default router atm, im quite concerned on how much will the bandwidth be eaten during my regular backups to the NAS as i have other family members using the same connection as well. Not to mention, what are my achievable read/write speeds through the NAS? is it extremely dependent on the Internet im currently subscribed to? Will be using this to stream FHD movies and standard MP3/FLAC songs. really sorry for asking stupid questions and for spoon feeding, but i need a crash course regarding setting up a DIY NAS (been reading for days and hours but my mind seems to be ughh) i would appreciate it alot too if someone is willing to take the time to recommend and guide me on DIY NAS. or even a better choice version in the event DIY isnt so feasible i used to eye the WD MYCloud quite alot, but then the lack of expansion and upgradability puts me off EDIT: might be setting up the NAS in a different floor of my router too, by connecting through Homeplugs. what are the issues that may arise from this setup? This post has been edited by marfccy: Aug 21 2014, 05:14 AM |
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Aug 21 2014, 07:07 AM
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Aug 21 2014, 04:52 AM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « And it's cheap (around RM800).And yes you can boot FreeNAS through USB pendrive. For me, I choose Windows Home Server, cost quite a bit but I can put all the Windows' programs into it, choose what I like to use on it, IRC client for download purpose? You can add-on drive(s) in the future but you may not be able to utilize RAID, RAID construction will need to clean off all the drive before it start. 1. Just connect your NAS to your network anyway you prefer, but wired is recommended for stability and performance. 2. LAN does not concern your Internet, so your NAS will only runs in your LAN, and won't connect to the Internet unless you set the Gateway (point to your Maxis router). Your NAS to your other device speed will be greatly depends on your equipment, your router probably only runs off 100Mbps LAN so you get only around 11MB/s at peak transfer between NAS to a single device. |
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Aug 21 2014, 01:30 PM
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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Aug 21 2014, 07:07 AM) If your cheap PC deal (whole system without HDD) is cheaper than RM400 then it's good to go, otherwise source for AMD APU m-ITX board and Bitfenix ITX chassis is a better choice IMO (that's my future setup as well). This save space with small chassis and able to house up to 5 HDDs, or maybe add another with 5.2" to 3.5" mod at the removable drive compartment, AMD APU with 4x SATA + 1 SATA RAID card with 2x SATA, and you're good to go with 6x SATA, sounds good yeah its an entire PC system afaik, for about <RM100 (if i secure the deal la) And it's cheap (around RM800).And yes you can boot FreeNAS through USB pendrive. For me, I choose Windows Home Server, cost quite a bit but I can put all the Windows' programs into it, choose what I like to use on it, IRC client for download purpose? You can add-on drive(s) in the future but you may not be able to utilize RAID, RAID construction will need to clean off all the drive before it start. 1. Just connect your NAS to your network anyway you prefer, but wired is recommended for stability and performance. 2. LAN does not concern your Internet, so your NAS will only runs in your LAN, and won't connect to the Internet unless you set the Gateway (point to your Maxis router). Your NAS to your other device speed will be greatly depends on your equipment, your router probably only runs off 100Mbps LAN so you get only around 11MB/s at peak transfer between NAS to a single device. sadly, it seems theres only 2 SATA ports or 3 max from what i heard about the specs ouch, 11MB/s for writing? read wise? shouldnt have any prob streaming 1080p movies and anime right? thankfully, ill be the only hardcore user atm |
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Aug 21 2014, 01:50 PM
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Aug 21 2014, 01:30 PM) its an entire PC system afaik, for about <RM100 (if i secure the deal la) You can add-on SATA card into the system for more. sadly, it seems theres only 2 SATA ports or 3 max from what i heard about the specs ouch, 11MB/s for writing? read wise? shouldnt have any prob streaming 1080p movies and anime right? thankfully, ill be the only hardcore user atm As for the speed, yes it's enough for Full HD streaming... on single device, if 2nd user also want to stream Full HD then it might not be as smooth. Gigabit switch is cheap...  |
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Aug 21 2014, 02:00 PM
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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Aug 21 2014, 01:50 PM) You can add-on SATA card into the system for more. i can see the poison coming in As for the speed, yes it's enough for Full HD streaming... on single device, if 2nd user also want to stream Full HD then it might not be as smooth. Gigabit switch is cheap...  so the Gigabit switch will be connected from router's Gigabit LAN and sort of spread out for multiple LAN users? using this Technicolour router from Maxis, i think there is another Gigabit LAN port right?  This post has been edited by marfccy: Aug 21 2014, 02:00 PM |
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Aug 21 2014, 03:56 PM
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Aug 21 2014, 02:00 PM) i can see the poison coming in so the Gigabit switch will be connected from router's Gigabit LAN and sort of spread out for multiple LAN users? using this Technicolour router from Maxis, i think there is another Gigabit LAN port right? I'm not so sure about the specification of the router but I can guarantee you will NOT regret spending on Gigabit performance, hitting hard disk bottleneck is another issue though. Transfer file like a breeze, 40MB file? You won't even see the transfer popup, just a flash through, few GBs in a minute... I did a transfer of 1.7TB in 8 hours... that's how fast Gigabit speed is, and yeah, the hard disk is kinda slow, between 60~80MB/s only If you have SSD.. Gigabit LAN is the bottleneck, well.. new tech is kinda expensive so... we shall wait |
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Aug 21 2014, 07:41 PM
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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Aug 21 2014, 03:56 PM) I'm not so sure about the specification of the router but I can guarantee you will NOT regret spending on Gigabit performance, hitting hard disk bottleneck is another issue though. Transfer file like a breeze, 40MB file? You won't even see the transfer popup, just a flash through, few GBs in a minute... I did a transfer of 1.7TB in 8 hours... that's how fast Gigabit speed is, and yeah, the hard disk is kinda slow, between 60~80MB/s only If you have SSD.. Gigabit LAN is the bottleneck, well.. new tech is kinda expensive so... we shall wait the specs said there is an extra Gigabit Ethernet port (ill need to manually inspect to make sure its there though) using SSD as NAS? thats insane |
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Aug 21 2014, 11:05 PM
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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Aug 21 2014, 03:56 PM) I'm not so sure about the specification of the router but I can guarantee you will NOT regret spending on Gigabit performance, hitting hard disk bottleneck is another issue though. Transfer file like a breeze, 40MB file? You won't even see the transfer popup, just a flash through, few GBs in a minute... I did a transfer of 1.7TB in 8 hours... that's how fast Gigabit speed is, and yeah, the hard disk is kinda slow, between 60~80MB/s only If you have SSD.. Gigabit LAN is the bottleneck, well.. new tech is kinda expensive so... we shall wait currently moving around 24GB to my NAS,7 hours |
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Aug 22 2014, 03:21 AM
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say if im using a 200Mbps Homeplug connected through gigabit ethernet from router to my NAS at other floor, will the speeds be throttled by the Homeplugs? |
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Aug 22 2014, 07:41 AM
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QUOTE(quadcube @ Aug 21 2014, 11:05 PM) SSD NAS is gonna be so exp Oh my... that's... so slow? currently moving around 24GB to my NAS,7 hours  Why so slow? Its only 24GB.. you can use external hard disk and it's way faster than that. 20 minutes top from PC to external hard disk and back to PC (USB 2.0).QUOTE(marfccy @ Aug 22 2014, 03:21 AM) wildwestgoh Only 200Mbps? The spec itself is already bottleneck, going max theoretically 23MB/s so you won't fully utilize the Gigabit switch. There's some much powerful one out there, if you don't mind to spend more... well that depends on your usage. say if im using a 200Mbps Homeplug connected through gigabit ethernet from router to my NAS at other floor, will the speeds be throttled by the Homeplugs? I don't mind drilling holes and pulling cables in my home, one of my friend even want to use Cat6 cable of which is overkill, but I'll advise him again. @Homeplug sifu out there: Is there a risk of using Homeplug when there's lightning/thunder? Because even the phone line able to fry a modem... My experience of see-ing my own modem hit by lightning and sparks lits up the room luckily the whole house was blackout (due to trip) before huge one hits it, otherwise my PC would have gone with it as well. |
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Aug 22 2014, 10:14 AM
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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Aug 22 2014, 07:41 AM) Oh my... that's... so slow? Why so slow? Its only 24GB.. you can use external hard disk and it's way faster than that. 20 minutes top from PC to external hard disk and back to PC (USB 2.0).Only 200Mbps? The spec itself is already bottleneck, going max theoretically 23MB/s so you won't fully utilize the Gigabit switch. There's some much powerful one out there, if you don't mind to spend more... well that depends on your usage. I don't mind drilling holes and pulling cables in my home, one of my friend even want to use Cat6 cable of which is overkill, but I'll advise him again. @Homeplug sifu out there: Is there a risk of using Homeplug when there's lightning/thunder? Because even the phone line able to fry a modem... My experience of see-ing my own modem hit by lightning and sparks lits up the room luckily the whole house was blackout (due to trip) before huge one hits it, otherwise my PC would have gone with it as well. i think its the problem with the way OSX handle file transfer,when i move them one by one,its way faster |
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Aug 22 2014, 10:21 AM
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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Aug 22 2014, 07:41 AM) Oh my... that's... so slow? your home plug would probably be safe if the main trips first Why so slow? Its only 24GB.. you can use external hard disk and it's way faster than that. 20 minutes top from PC to external hard disk and back to PC (USB 2.0).Only 200Mbps? The spec itself is already bottleneck, going max theoretically 23MB/s so you won't fully utilize the Gigabit switch. There's some much powerful one out there, if you don't mind to spend more... well that depends on your usage. I don't mind drilling holes and pulling cables in my home, one of my friend even want to use Cat6 cable of which is overkill, but I'll advise him again. @Homeplug sifu out there: Is there a risk of using Homeplug when there's lightning/thunder? Because even the phone line able to fry a modem... My experience of see-ing my own modem hit by lightning and sparks lits up the room luckily the whole house was blackout (due to trip) before huge one hits it, otherwise my PC would have gone with it as well. since home plug is not connected to the phone line.. |
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Aug 22 2014, 01:43 PM
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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Aug 22 2014, 07:41 AM) Only 200Mbps? The spec itself is already bottleneck, going max theoretically 23MB/s so you won't fully utilize the Gigabit switch. There's some much powerful one out there, if you don't mind to spend more... well that depends on your usage. there is a 500MBps one, but ofc more expensive I don't mind drilling holes and pulling cables in my home, one of my friend even want to use Cat6 cable of which is overkill, but I'll advise him again. @Homeplug sifu out there: Is there a risk of using Homeplug when there's lightning/thunder? Because even the phone line able to fry a modem... My experience of see-ing my own modem hit by lightning and sparks lits up the room luckily the whole house was blackout (due to trip) before huge one hits it, otherwise my PC would have gone with it as well. drill holes? still living with parents, anything that destroys house aesthetics is extremely forbidden :/ |
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Aug 26 2014, 11:01 AM
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I want to build a NAS. for torrent, host small MYSQL for XBMC, and host all my movies.
It will be 2TB first later will add-on more hdd. Max is 3 user stream Full HD movies at same time. - should I go for ready make NAS or build 1? - does processor and RAM effect a lot on the speed? - (Intel Celeron/ dual core/ AMD A4) enough for it? with 2GB RAM. Was thinking to buy Dlink DNS-320L or build 1. This post has been edited by xngjn: Aug 26 2014, 11:21 AM |
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Aug 26 2014, 11:35 AM
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QUOTE(xngjn @ Aug 26 2014, 11:01 AM) I want to build a NAS. for torrent, host small MYSQL for XBMC, and host all my movies. I would go for custom build (PC build) for flexible choice of OS, and what more you needs MySQL.It will be 2TB first later will add-on more hdd. Max is 3 user stream Full HD movies at same time. - should I go for ready make NAS or build 1? - does processor and RAM effect a lot on the speed? - (Intel Celeron/ dual core/ AMD A4) enough for it? with 2GB RAM. Also custom build can add-on SATA card later on for more HDD, that's if your chassis will have room for more. CPU and RAM does affect but if it's home use and less than 10 users, old PC (less than 6 years old is pretty much enough). Intel C2D is powerful enough to run (Celeron is not recommended for SQL), 4GB RAM or better since you'll be hosting SQL server. Take note of using 64-bit OS to fully utilize the 4GB RAM. Also Server class OS (ex. Windows Server) has better network, services performance, cost more (linux free?), but you'll not regret the performance it gives you. You may need better hard disk than those Eco Green for more than 2 users streaming Full HD movies, need to cater for faster access rather than sequential read. If one user seeking his/her movie (skipping ahead or rewind back), it may be slow or other users may encounter slight pause. Unless of course you can be sure that all 3 users are accessing from different hard disk. This post has been edited by wildwestgoh: Aug 26 2014, 11:37 AM |
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Aug 26 2014, 11:57 AM
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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Aug 26 2014, 11:35 AM) I would go for custom build (PC build) for flexible choice of OS, and what more you needs MySQL. WD green good?Also custom build can add-on SATA card later on for more HDD, that's if your chassis will have room for more. CPU and RAM does affect but if it's home use and less than 10 users, old PC (less than 6 years old is pretty much enough). Intel C2D is powerful enough to run (Celeron is not recommended for SQL), 4GB RAM or better since you'll be hosting SQL server. Take note of using 64-bit OS to fully utilize the 4GB RAM. Also Server class OS (ex. Windows Server) has better network, services performance, cost more (linux free?), but you'll not regret the performance it gives you. You may need better hard disk than those Eco Green for more than 2 users streaming Full HD movies, need to cater for faster access rather than sequential read. If one user seeking his/her movie (skipping ahead or rewind back), it may be slow or other users may encounter slight pause. Unless of course you can be sure that all 3 users are accessing from different hard disk. I got a old c2d laptop. but no sata to power up the hdd. What spec u all can recommend me? not too expensive but can expend later. |
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Aug 26 2014, 01:12 PM
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QUOTE(xngjn @ Aug 26 2014, 11:57 AM) WD green good? If you want to stream more than 2 users, best to get WD Blue or better Black, they're 7,200 rpm and has better access speed, bandwidth is not an issue.I got a old c2d laptop. but no sata to power up the hdd. What spec u all can recommend me? not too expensive but can expend later. Laptop? I won't recommend it unless you're going to strip it nekkid with proper cooling, plus laptop can't expand, you gets 2 SATA, and that's all, and that's also you have to go for 2.5" HDD, much expensive, smaller size. Desktop is the way to go, get any board (cheap one will do) with - 4x SATA for better start, - then get the cheapest CPU, RAM (4GB should the standard nowadays) - PSU can get 450W, bronze or 80 Plus certified is recommended for long term 24/7 usage. I can't get the quote for you, you will need to ask at Q&A or hunt for yourself, and even those are just reference, you may find better products or better price by then. Also you need to cater for cooling as well, better ventilated chassis is way to extend your components lifespan. If you want low noise, may invest on better fan or just tune them to runs on 5v (if they're freaking noisy at 12v). My current setup: Intel C2D E8400 @ 0.95v, 1.6GHz (down-clock from stock 3.0GHz for power saving and cooler running CPU) 2GB RAM (may just plug in another 2GB, but sufficient for now) 1x 500GB (OS, programs and small downloads) 1x 3TB (bought recently to replace 2TB one) 2x 2TB (main storage for archive) CM Elite 344 with front cut off fan's hole for better cool air draw. - 120mm Silverstone AP121 to push air through the HDD - 90cm exhaust fan with 5v mod for quiet operation - 120mm Vantec (some old) fan with 12v for quiet operation (custom for PSU) All these is from experience with many years of setup and of course daily monitoring of the components' temperature. May consider air flow centric fan for cooling the HDD instead of the AP121, AP121 has high static pressure but not enough cool air circulate through the HDD. This post has been edited by wildwestgoh: Aug 26 2014, 01:19 PM |
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Aug 28 2014, 10:36 AM
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Do you all do RAID? what hdd is better with high capacity. WD Blue only 1tb. I want hdd 4TB or above. Which have longer life. RPM will prolong the life of hdd? 7,200 rpm or IntelliPower?
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Aug 28 2014, 05:06 PM
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QUOTE(xngjn @ Aug 28 2014, 10:36 AM) Do you all do RAID? what hdd is better with high capacity. WD Blue only 1tb. I want hdd 4TB or above. Which have longer life. RPM will prolong the life of hdd? 7,200 rpm or IntelliPower? Want to move into RAID? Software RAID? Hardware RAID?WDC and Seagate both has HDD specialize for RAID purpose, consumer and even the enterprise grade. Storage based HDD usually has lower RPM, enterprise however has 7,200rpm and above ($$$) Lifespan of HDD is very subjective, RPM (Revolution Per Minute) does not concern much on the lifespan, rather I would say proper maintenance and equipment to support the HDD is main thing that keep the lifespan higher, but lucks play some part here, some may just fail you when the time's up. Some quicker, some slower. p/s: I don't do RAID, I guess I watch the SMART everyday... check the temperature everyday... pray a bit everyday... should be safe... This post has been edited by wildwestgoh: Aug 28 2014, 05:11 PM |
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Aug 28 2014, 05:29 PM
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So for custom build NAS + htpc, need higher processing power or more RAM? Any thought wildwestgoh?
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Aug 29 2014, 08:05 AM
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QUOTE(kherel77 @ Aug 28 2014, 05:29 PM) So for custom build NAS + htpc, need higher processing power or more RAM? Any thought wildwestgoh? That's depends on your HTPC requirements, watching movies only? Blu-Ray or 4K proof?Blu-Ray only can use Core i3, no extra graphics card needed, save $$. 4K may require some special display port such as DisplayPort or HDMI so a graphics card is required, maybe low-mid range with such ports available will do. OS need to be considered as well due to combined NAS setup, media centre with SMB capable is good, as it supported by many devices nowadays. But if you going to put HTPC in the living room, it's best to have standalone media player that able to access NAS through network, less clutter since your media player may use WiFi to stream movie over the air, or the HomePlug equivalent. |
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Aug 30 2014, 01:07 AM
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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Aug 29 2014, 07:05 AM) That's depends on your HTPC requirements, watching movies only? Blu-Ray or 4K proof? if we go the media player and separate nas route, what media player would you recommend?Blu-Ray only can use Core i3, no extra graphics card needed, save $$. 4K may require some special display port such as DisplayPort or HDMI so a graphics card is required, maybe low-mid range with such ports available will do. OS need to be considered as well due to combined NAS setup, media centre with SMB capable is good, as it supported by many devices nowadays. But if you going to put HTPC in the living room, it's best to have standalone media player that able to access NAS through network, less clutter since your media player may use WiFi to stream movie over the air, or the HomePlug equivalent. |
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Aug 30 2014, 08:18 AM
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QUOTE(h11g @ Aug 30 2014, 01:07 AM) if we go the media player and separate nas route, what media player would you recommend? If you know there's Android TV in the market right now, has WiFi capability, easy enough to play Full HD movie, and small enough to hide behind your TVs, cupboard, etc. (slightly bigger than wireless router) |
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Aug 30 2014, 10:06 AM
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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Aug 30 2014, 07:18 AM) If you know there's Android TV in the market right now, has WiFi capability, easy enough to play Full HD movie, and small enough to hide behind your TVs, cupboard, etc. (slightly bigger than wireless router) but nowadays we can hook up NAS easily to TV right? |
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Aug 30 2014, 11:08 AM
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QUOTE(h11g @ Aug 30 2014, 10:06 AM) but nowadays we can hook up NAS easily to TV right? That's if your TV supports it, not all TV has such features, and those TV is expensive? (cheapskate thought) Android TV can be had for less than RM300 excluding the month subscription (require Internet service to watch movies online) |
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Aug 30 2014, 12:46 PM
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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Aug 30 2014, 10:08 AM) That's if your TV supports it, not all TV has such features, and those TV is expensive? actually what's the best way to stream movies that i've downloaded to the tv? say i store them on a NAS. get an android box as well? (cheapskate thought) Android TV can be had for less than RM300 excluding the month subscription (require Internet service to watch movies online) |
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Aug 31 2014, 12:21 AM
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QUOTE(h11g @ Aug 30 2014, 12:46 PM) actually what's the best way to stream movies that i've downloaded to the tv? say i store them on a NAS. get an android box as well? either HTPC or media player only afaik |
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Aug 31 2014, 12:31 AM
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Aug 30 2014, 11:21 PM) either HTPC or media player only afaik media player like roku/apple tv? |
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Aug 31 2014, 12:35 AM
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QUOTE(h11g @ Aug 31 2014, 12:31 AM) media player like roku/apple tv? yep, WD Media player, Android box, AppleTV etc etc provided they can access into your NAS through LAN or wireless |
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Sep 7 2014, 10:45 AM
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QUOTE(h11g @ Aug 31 2014, 12:31 AM) media player like roku/apple tv? Synology NAS works with Chromecast |
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Sep 12 2014, 02:12 PM
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anyone has a psu for hp microserver n36L? Mine was just fried by lighting. Got my brother to buy me a pico-psu from US but won't boot up.. maybe cos i was running 1 molex to 4... cannot find connector for the 2nd 5v line..
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Sep 17 2014, 01:43 PM
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QUOTE(blacktubi @ Sep 7 2014, 09:45 AM) Synology NAS works with Chromecast thanks |
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QUOTE(raist86 @ Sep 12 2014, 02:12 PM) anyone has a psu for hp microserver n36L? Mine was just fried by lighting. Got my brother to buy me a pico-psu from US but won't boot up.. maybe cos i was running 1 molex to 4... cannot find connector for the 2nd 5v line.. If you can and don't mind about wiring DIY then you can actually do a bit soldering or just wire sandwich (using tapes) to modify previous PSU's wires to your new Pico-UPS, if your new Pico-UPS does fits into the chassis. |
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Sep 21 2014, 09:13 PM
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Hi guys, not sure if this the right thread to ask.
I have created 2 volumes in synology, but why the volumes capacity cannot utilize the full disk size? I have allocated this much hard disk space from the virtual machine, 5GB and 8GB. But the volume capacity I got from this is less, 490MB and 3.44GB.  Thank you. |
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Sep 22 2014, 07:22 AM
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QUOTE(mastermindsos @ Sep 21 2014, 09:13 PM) Hi guys, not sure if this the right thread to ask. You use VM for Synology OS?I have created 2 volumes in synology, but why the volumes capacity cannot utilize the full disk size? I have allocated this much hard disk space from the virtual machine, 5GB and 8GB. But the volume capacity I got from this is less, 490MB and 3.44GB. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Thank you. Please tell us more of what you mean by "allocated this much hard disk space from the virtual machine". This post has been edited by wildwestgoh: Sep 22 2014, 07:23 AM |
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Sep 22 2014, 01:00 PM
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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Sep 22 2014, 07:22 AM) You use VM for Synology OS? Hi wildwestgoh,Please tell us more of what you mean by "allocated this much hard disk space from the virtual machine". I mean this. 2 harddisks of size 8Gb and 5GB each.  |
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Sep 22 2014, 01:07 PM
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QUOTE(mastermindsos @ Sep 22 2014, 01:00 PM) Hi wildwestgoh, What ESXi version are you using?I mean this. 2 harddisks of size 8Gb and 5GB each. |
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Sep 22 2014, 01:08 PM
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QUOTE(ricstc @ Aug 12 2014, 03:30 AM) Made a video to help those thinking of using Freenas to create Network share at home? Bro, u have a 720p video? |
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Sep 22 2014, 01:12 PM
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QUOTE(blacktubi @ Sep 22 2014, 01:07 PM) What ESXi version are you using? Hi blacktubi, I am not running on esxi, but workstation 10. |
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Sep 22 2014, 01:17 PM
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QUOTE(mastermindsos @ Sep 22 2014, 01:12 PM) Hi blacktubi, I am not running on esxi, but workstation 10. Your virtual disk is configured to store as a single file or multiple file? |
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Sep 22 2014, 01:22 PM
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QUOTE(blacktubi @ Sep 22 2014, 01:17 PM) Your virtual disk is configured to store as a single file or multiple file? A single file. |
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Sep 24 2014, 10:50 PM
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Does anyone else use Synology nas?
Can you tell me how much of disk space lost after creating the volume? |
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Sep 25 2014, 12:09 AM
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QUOTE(mastermindsos @ Sep 24 2014, 10:50 PM) Does anyone else use Synology nas? You can refer HERE to see the impact of RAID setup of various hard disk combination.Can you tell me how much of disk space lost after creating the volume? |
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Sep 25 2014, 12:14 AM
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QUOTE(mastermindsos @ Sep 24 2014, 10:50 PM) Does anyone else use Synology nas? HDD = 1.82TBCan you tell me how much of disk space lost after creating the volume? Volume created = 1.79TB |
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Sep 25 2014, 08:06 AM
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QUOTE(vivre @ Sep 25 2014, 12:09 AM) Thanks vivre. But I created a volume per disk (basic setup).QUOTE(blacktubi @ Sep 25 2014, 12:14 AM) HDD = 1.82TB Hmm.. that's about 30GB lost, right? Do you have any idea where that 30GB might be?Volume created = 1.79TB |
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Sep 27 2014, 06:17 PM
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There has been a big security advisory on Linux Bash vulnerability known as 'Shellshock' released recently. If you are running off the shelf NAS, be sure to check the principle's security advisory on how to patch the vulnerability.
Synology https://www.synology.com/en-global/support/...bash_shellshock QNAP http://www.qnap.com/useng/index.php?lang=e...036&sc=&n=22457 FreeNAS https://bugs.freenas.org/issues/6199 |
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Sep 27 2014, 06:40 PM
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Anyone has experience using Thecus NAS?
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Sep 27 2014, 07:29 PM
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How to setup a NAS with mixture of diff OS user?
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Sep 27 2014, 10:07 PM
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QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Sep 27 2014, 07:29 PM) How to setup a NAS with mixture of diff OS user? Just setup as SMB share and every single OS in the world can access.Almost every OS (iOS and Android included) can access SMB with a little help from apps, so no worries about the way it's shared. |
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Sep 29 2014, 10:42 AM
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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Sep 27 2014, 10:07 PM) Just setup as SMB share and every single OS in the world can access. Which File system to invest in?Almost every OS (iOS and Android included) can access SMB with a little help from apps, so no worries about the way it's shared. I am thinking of building a 3 bay NAS (if there's such system). Cost is a problem to me now. Thinking to start with 2 HDD running raid-1 ( currently I have only roughly 600GB of data that need to be backup). I am worry about speed of NAS as I would be putting my photos on it, during editing I think it would be rather slow since theoretically gigabit connection would be quite limiting compare to a local drive? |
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Sep 29 2014, 11:02 AM
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QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Sep 29 2014, 10:42 AM) Which File system to invest in? File system? Investment? I am thinking of building a 3 bay NAS (if there's such system). Cost is a problem to me now. Thinking to start with 2 HDD running raid-1 ( currently I have only roughly 600GB of data that need to be backup). I am worry about speed of NAS as I would be putting my photos on it, during editing I think it would be rather slow since theoretically gigabit connection would be quite limiting compare to a local drive? If you're going for pre-built NAS such as Synology then by all means don't worry about those File system, just choose the mode for your hard disk and you're good to go, once you turn on for first setup, it will prompt you for all the types of redundancy (RAID), just choose one base on your requirement and you're good to go, basically the NAS will prepare everything for you, you won't need to know what they do. But if you insist, Synology has its own redundancy setup, different from the normal RAID you finds on servers' RAID card. As for File system, Synology firmware is based on Linux so Ext3? or Ext4 or something similar, and it only works with that Linux File system for your info, pre-formatted with Windows File system such as NTFS, FAT32, etc. won't be able to works with Synology NAS. This post has been edited by wildwestgoh: Sep 29 2014, 11:26 AM |
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Sep 29 2014, 01:19 PM
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QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Sep 29 2014, 10:42 AM) Which File system to invest in? I got a Synology NAS and never regret it, it is so simple to use and setup is quick.I am thinking of building a 3 bay NAS (if there's such system). Cost is a problem to me now. Thinking to start with 2 HDD running raid-1 ( currently I have only roughly 600GB of data that need to be backup). I am worry about speed of NAS as I would be putting my photos on it, during editing I think it would be rather slow since theoretically gigabit connection would be quite limiting compare to a local drive? Their support is awesome and can even remote to your NAS to perform emergency repair if ever required You can get a NAS with dual LAN if you want. https://www.synology.com/en-global/products...rformance#4_bay |
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Sep 29 2014, 01:40 PM
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QUOTE(blacktubi @ Sep 29 2014, 01:19 PM) I got a Synology NAS and never regret it, it is so simple to use and setup is quick. Can I know which model of Synology NAS you have gotten for yourself?Their support is awesome and can even remote to your NAS to perform emergency repair if ever required You can get a NAS with dual LAN if you want. https://www.synology.com/en-global/products...rformance#4_bay |
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Sep 29 2014, 02:21 PM
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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Sep 29 2014, 11:02 AM) But if you insist, Synology has its own redundancy setup, different from the normal RAID you finds on servers' RAID card. Latest Synology Firmware are using Ext4 and you can use Windows File System for the external drive like docking for the USB.As for File system, Synology firmware is based on Linux so Ext3? or Ext4 or something similar, and it only works with that Linux File system for your info, pre-formatted with Windows File system such as NTFS, FAT32, etc. won't be able to works with Synology NAS. |
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Sep 29 2014, 04:30 PM
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QUOTE(KidsCode @ Sep 29 2014, 02:21 PM) Latest Synology Firmware are using Ext4 and you can use Windows File System for the external drive like docking for the USB. Oh, perhaps I wasn't detail enough, basically you can do it using USB, read only I think, saw some discussion about this last time, and you can't plug-in a NTFS drive into the NAS just like that, won't work on the fly. |
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Sep 29 2014, 04:35 PM
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QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Sep 29 2014, 01:40 PM) Can I know which model of Synology NAS you have gotten for yourself? I am using the DS214 now which is great.It doesn't matter the filesystem since you access it through SMB or Windows File Service. |
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Sep 29 2014, 04:45 PM
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Anyone has Synology DS214play to share their experiences?
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Sep 29 2014, 04:52 PM
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QUOTE(nitehawk @ Sep 29 2014, 04:45 PM) Anyone has Synology DS214play to share their experiences? The advantage of DS214play is the media transcoding feature.Read more about it here If you don't need media transcording, DS214+ if a better choice since both of them having the same price. |
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Sep 29 2014, 05:21 PM
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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Sep 29 2014, 04:30 PM) Oh, perhaps I wasn't detail enough, basically you can do it using USB, read only I think, saw some discussion about this last time, and you can't plug-in a NTFS drive into the NAS just like that, won't work on the fly. FYI, is NOT Read Only, you can transfer file. Like my setup, I have 1 2 bay docking on 1 usb port. Format to FAT32 and you can transfer file between the Synology and Docking HDD, and also can remove drive to plugin to Windows machine to transfer file.Yup, NTFS will not work with Synology and the weakness of the FAT32 is the only can transfer not more than 4GB. This setup is like secondary backup of files, photos, music and small video files. This post has been edited by KidsCode: Sep 29 2014, 05:27 PM |
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Sep 29 2014, 11:53 PM
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QUOTE(blacktubi @ Sep 29 2014, 04:35 PM) I am using the DS214 now which is great. Thanks, I am much inclined towards DS either 2 or 4 bays with a +It doesn't matter the filesystem since you access it through SMB or Windows File Service. Dual LAN seems great, I like the option to have a direct E-sata to my computer (not sure if that would actually be faster). Any idea what can I do with those USB ports? can I plugin printer to be share over network as well? The more I read, i realise it is a more than enough capable device it is |
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Sep 30 2014, 12:07 AM
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QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Sep 29 2014, 11:53 PM) Thanks, I am much inclined towards DS either 2 or 4 bays with a + I don't think there's any with eSATA interface.Dual LAN seems great, I like the option to have a direct E-sata to my computer (not sure if that would actually be faster). Any idea what can I do with those USB ports? can I plugin printer to be share over network as well? The more I read, i realise it is a more than enough capable device it is As for the USB, you can connect a wireless adapter, bluetooth adapter, USB printer sharing and external HDD for backup. DSM OS is powerful and simple to setup, DSM 5.1 releasing soon. |
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Sep 30 2014, 07:46 AM
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QUOTE(blacktubi @ Sep 29 2014, 04:52 PM) The advantage of DS214play is the media transcoding feature. Most (99%) of my users are using Apple product (Mac laptop, iOS devices and AppleTV), what alternatives 2-bay model us best suite. Their usage included:Read more about it here If you don't need media transcording, DS214+ if a better choice since both of them having the same price. 1) watching movies via TV, laptop or iPad 2) listening to stored music 3) listening to Internet radio 4) BT download Thanks! |
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Sep 30 2014, 07:52 AM
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QUOTE(nitehawk @ Sep 30 2014, 07:46 AM) Most (99%) of my users are using Apple product (Mac laptop, iOS devices and AppleTV), what alternatives 2-bay model us best suite. Their usage included: Any model with 2-bay will suit your needs, and like I've said, just setup normally, it should be SMB for most compatibility.1) watching movies via TV, laptop or iPad 2) listening to stored music 3) listening to Internet radio 4) BT download Thanks! It can even has BT download capability by itself so you won't need another PC or Mac as BT client. I'm not sure about Internet radio though, I think it's irrelevant in this case. So why Synology NAS is expensive, it's cause the software is darn good. Though I must say I can do it my way so I'm incline towards DIY build. Much more control... in a way or two. |
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Sep 30 2014, 12:16 PM
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QUOTE(nitehawk @ Sep 30 2014, 07:46 AM) Most (99%) of my users are using Apple product (Mac laptop, iOS devices and AppleTV), what alternatives 2-bay model us best suite. Their usage included: DSM works very well with Apple products.1) watching movies via TV, laptop or iPad 2) listening to stored music 3) listening to Internet radio 4) BT download Thanks! File is accessed via SMB or Mac file service. You can configure your NAS for time machine backup. Synology also build apps so your iPhone or iPad can access the file. |
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Sep 30 2014, 12:17 PM
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QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Sep 29 2014, 11:53 PM) Thanks, I am much inclined towards DS either 2 or 4 bays with a + yes there is unit that have eSata interface (DS713+), but not sure if it works like directly plug-in to the PC.Dual LAN seems great, I like the option to have a direct E-sata to my computer (not sure if that would actually be faster). Any idea what can I do with those USB ports? can I plugin printer to be share over network as well? The more I read, i realise it is a more than enough capable device it is there is alot of usage with the USB port, look into the compatibility page - https://www.synology.com/en-global/compatibility |
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Oct 1 2014, 07:34 AM
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QUOTE(KidsCode @ Sep 30 2014, 12:17 PM) yes there is unit that have eSata interface (DS713+), but not sure if it works like directly plug-in to the PC. I think that e-SATA is for connecting to DX513/510 for extended storage. there is alot of usage with the USB port, look into the compatibility page - https://www.synology.com/en-global/compatibility |
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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Oct 1 2014, 07:34 AM) I think that e-SATA is for connecting to DX513/510 for extended storage. Yes, yoou're correct. Forgot of the use of the expansion slots |
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Hi Guys,
I hope I am posting it on the correct thread, forgive me if I have posted wrongly. I was hoping for some help with a few of my questions. 1) I am looking for a system to back up photos/videos from handheld devices, for the household. My family have about 8 devices, a mixture of iOs and Android devices. Is there a system where it can automatically download all the new photos and videos into the storage? 2) I know we can set different users, does that mean that I will not be able to see photos of other devices? (Example: I can't see photos my sister took) 3) Also, I was thinking of having that unit to store some songs and movies to stream to the Tv (maybe using DLNA or I could get a WDTV or something similar). I am a bit confused to how much Processing power I need, I don't think I will have more than 2 TV's being watched at the same time. 4) I can't decide between 1,2 or 4 bay system, I would probably need about 3TB of storage space. 5) Finally, I was told that the RAID is not a backup, so maybe I should buy two of them devices and have it to Mirror each other? Thanks in advance! |
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QUOTE(blacktubi @ Sep 30 2014, 12:16 PM) DSM works very well with Apple products. I always use my iphone/ipad to assist the synology NAS. BT, photo and file manage. But the DS video have limited usage.File is accessed via SMB or Mac file service. You can configure your NAS for time machine backup. Synology also build apps so your iPhone or iPad can access the file. |
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QUOTE(azimut @ Oct 1 2014, 01:05 PM) Hi Guys, 1. There is the default apps DSCloud for the mobile to sync back to Synology.I hope I am posting it on the correct thread, forgive me if I have posted wrongly. I was hoping for some help with a few of my questions. 1) I am looking for a system to back up photos/videos from handheld devices, for the household. My family have about 8 devices, a mixture of iOs and Android devices. Is there a system where it can automatically download all the new photos and videos into the storage? 2) I know we can set different users, does that mean that I will not be able to see photos of other devices? (Example: I can't see photos my sister took) 3) Also, I was thinking of having that unit to store some songs and movies to stream to the Tv (maybe using DLNA or I could get a WDTV or something similar). I am a bit confused to how much Processing power I need, I don't think I will have more than 2 TV's being watched at the same time. 4) I can't decide between 1,2 or 4 bay system, I would probably need about 3TB of storage space. 5) Finally, I was told that the RAID is not a backup, so maybe I should buy two of them devices and have it to Mirror each other? Thanks in advance! 2. There is 2 way to do it, you can set permission on the folder for each user for other users "read" only and also set a common folder for the items to sync into, best the default "Photo" folder (this is something i haven't try yet). 3. If you using a media box like XBMC (or now call Kodi) or Android Media Player, then you don't need a powerful Synology, I know DSxxxJ can do the load, but if got the money do the the Non J or Non + Synology. 4. To me best to get min 2 bay. as you have atleast 1 redundancy, RAID 1 / Mirror Raid. 5. Raid 1 and Raid 5 have redundancy that you can recover the data. There is 100% full proof but this is your best option. For Raid 5, is expansion due to the needed of 4 bay Synology and 4 harddisk that only utilize 3 harddisk space. |
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QUOTE(azimut @ Oct 1 2014, 01:05 PM) Hi Guys, It seems most have answered most of your question, I'll add to your 5th.I hope I am posting it on the correct thread, forgive me if I have posted wrongly. I was hoping for some help with a few of my questions. 1) I am looking for a system to back up photos/videos from handheld devices, for the household. My family have about 8 devices, a mixture of iOs and Android devices. Is there a system where it can automatically download all the new photos and videos into the storage? 2) I know we can set different users, does that mean that I will not be able to see photos of other devices? (Example: I can't see photos my sister took) 3) Also, I was thinking of having that unit to store some songs and movies to stream to the Tv (maybe using DLNA or I could get a WDTV or something similar). I am a bit confused to how much Processing power I need, I don't think I will have more than 2 TV's being watched at the same time. 4) I can't decide between 1,2 or 4 bay system, I would probably need about 3TB of storage space. 5) Finally, I was told that the RAID is not a backup, so maybe I should buy two of them devices and have it to Mirror each other? Thanks in advance! RAID is definitely not a backup, as if you corrupt your data, RAID can't recover that for you, so you will need another device for it. You can plugin any external hard disk or media for backup purpose, it has the USB option so any USB media is usable, pendrive, USB hard disk, etc. You can use this method to backup your precious things that you find to be critical and you can't lose it. Another way is Cloud storage, there's free and paid options, choose those that has good history and stick with it for your critical data backup, that way you can have multiple copies any where. So to summarize, you can backup your data through the USB port (pendrive, external hard disk) and at the same time, backup again to Cloud storage (reliable one). |
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QUOTE(KidsCode @ Oct 1 2014, 02:33 PM) 1. There is the default apps DSCloud for the mobile to sync back to Synology. Thanks for your reply, still have questions though hehe.2. There is 2 way to do it, you can set permission on the folder for each user for other users "read" only and also set a common folder for the items to sync into, best the default "Photo" folder (this is something i haven't try yet). 3. If you using a media box like XBMC (or now call Kodi) or Android Media Player, then you don't need a powerful Synology, I know DSxxxJ can do the load, but if got the money do the the Non J or Non + Synology. 4. To me best to get min 2 bay. as you have atleast 1 redundancy, RAID 1 / Mirror Raid. 5. Raid 1 and Raid 5 have redundancy that you can recover the data. There is 100% full proof but this is your best option. For Raid 5, is expansion due to the needed of 4 bay Synology and 4 harddisk that only utilize 3 harddisk space. For 1) If it is cloud based, doesn't that mean if I delete a photo/video on the handheld device, it would also delete on the NAS itself? QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Oct 1 2014, 05:26 PM) It seems most have answered most of your question, I'll add to your 5th. Thanks for your reply, if I use an external media (pen drive or ext hdd) as a back up, if the NAS (not the HDD) spoiled and I buy a new one, would it be as easy as pluging the external media and everything would be back to normal? RAID is definitely not a backup, as if you corrupt your data, RAID can't recover that for you, so you will need another device for it. You can plugin any external hard disk or media for backup purpose, it has the USB option so any USB media is usable, pendrive, USB hard disk, etc. You can use this method to backup your precious things that you find to be critical and you can't lose it. Another way is Cloud storage, there's free and paid options, choose those that has good history and stick with it for your critical data backup, that way you can have multiple copies any where. So to summarize, you can backup your data through the USB port (pendrive, external hard disk) and at the same time, backup again to Cloud storage (reliable one). Because from what I have researched, it doesn't do that, best is I get two of the same NAS and if one spoil I can just unplug that and everything is back to normal. Ps. I am trying to avoid external cloud storage. Thanks |
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QUOTE(azimut @ Oct 2 2014, 08:19 AM) Thanks for your reply, still have questions though hehe. For your question about 1), If you mobile device is sync with your NAS through Internet, it's basically does something like iCloud, you delete yours, it'll sync with the NAS, so NAS's side will delete as well, which what your backup is for when you accidentally did so with important files.For 1) If it is cloud based, doesn't that mean if I delete a photo/video on the handheld device, it would also delete on the NAS itself? Thanks for your reply, if I use an external media (pen drive or ext hdd) as a back up, if the NAS (not the HDD) spoiled and I buy a new one, would it be as easy as pluging the external media and everything would be back to normal? Because from what I have researched, it doesn't do that, best is I get two of the same NAS and if one spoil I can just unplug that and everything is back to normal. Ps. I am trying to avoid external cloud storage. Thanks External media is usually manual, means you do manual copy pasta to your external device, I'm not sure if Synology NAS has auto backup to USB media function though, worth a little time to do little research on this. If your NAS is completely failed, there's a way to "migrate" your hard disk to a new NAS. https://www.synology.com/en-us/knowledgebase/tutorials/484 Another reason to buy Synology NAS? |
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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Oct 2 2014, 09:06 AM) For your question about 1), If you mobile device is sync with your NAS through Internet, it's basically does something like iCloud, you delete yours, it'll sync with the NAS, so NAS's side will delete as well, which what your backup is for when you accidentally did so with important files. I see, but I actually want something whereby, the NAS would just pull new pictures/videos over the minute the handheld device connects to my home network (my wifi). I want the NAS to be the back up itself. External media is usually manual, means you do manual copy pasta to your external device, I'm not sure if Synology NAS has auto backup to USB media function though, worth a little time to do little research on this. If your NAS is completely failed, there's a way to "migrate" your hard disk to a new NAS. https://www.synology.com/en-us/knowledgebase/tutorials/484 Another reason to buy Synology NAS? Thanks for the link, I will look at the tutorial when I have the time. This post has been edited by azimut: Oct 2 2014, 12:02 PM |
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QUOTE(azimut @ Oct 2 2014, 12:02 PM) I see, but I actually want something whereby, the NAS would just pull new pictures/videos over the minute the handheld device connects to my home network (my wifi). I want the NAS to be the back up itself. Have a look at this article, I think it covers most of the Apple's user network features.Thanks for the link, I will look at the tutorial when I have the time. http://9to5mac.com/2014/03/10/synology-get...-a-diskstation/ |
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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Oct 2 2014, 02:30 PM) Have a look at this article, I think it covers most of the Apple's user network features. Thanks! That article answered my question. If I have understood it correctly.http://9to5mac.com/2014/03/10/synology-get...-a-diskstation/ But the tutorial left me a few doubts because it was on how to swap the drives from one working drive to another working one, it did not mention if the source NAS was spoiled or anything. I have been reading through smallnetbuilder.com and quote... QUOTE The separate backup NAS approach can also be less expensive than RAID..... But if the backup NAS has the same folder structure as the primary, this can be as simple as changing the IP and hostname of the backup NAS to be the same as the primary." Meaning the author is suggesting having two of the same NAS.... Thanks guys for being patient with me |
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Oct 4 2014, 06:58 AM
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QUOTE(azimut @ Oct 3 2014, 07:31 PM) But the tutorial left me a few doubts because it was on how to swap the drives from one working drive to another working one, it did not mention if the source NAS was spoiled or anything. I have been reading through smallnetbuilder.com and quote... Meaning the author is suggesting having two of the same NAS.... Thanks guys for being patient with me Of course if you can afford to run 2 NAS at the same time, your quote from smallnetbulder is the most efficient and fastest way to recover from lost in under a minute (if you know what you're doing). I don't think any home users is rich enough to mirror an entire NAS just for backup. Unless you're relying on the NAS for critical works at home, then probably you can do that, just for the sack of recover without the needs of going through the trouble of re-setup a new NAS and re-building the whole RAID setup. Fuiyo..  |
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Oct 4 2014, 02:16 PM
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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Oct 4 2014, 06:58 AM) Ah, that, if you going to migrate to a new NAS, basically it's either the old one is dead or you're expanding to more bays. Oh I see, well then thanks for your reply. I would most likely go for a 2 bay NAS from Synology.Of course if you can afford to run 2 NAS at the same time, your quote from smallnetbulder is the most efficient and fastest way to recover from lost in under a minute (if you know what you're doing). I don't think any home users is rich enough to mirror an entire NAS just for backup. Unless you're relying on the NAS for critical works at home, then probably you can do that, just for the sack of recover without the needs of going through the trouble of re-setup a new NAS and re-building the whole RAID setup. Fuiyo.. Actually, @KidsCode mentioned something about Kodi and I do not need a powerful (in terms of CPU) NAS? What if I am connecting the NAS to a switch and to a DLNA abled TV, would I still not need a powerful NAS? |
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Oct 4 2014, 07:44 PM
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QUOTE(azimut @ Oct 4 2014, 02:16 PM) Actually, @KidsCode mentioned something about Kodi and I do not need a powerful (in terms of CPU) NAS? What if I am connecting the NAS to a switch and to a DLNA abled TV, would I still not need a powerful NAS? Yes, basically DLNA allow streams input only and it does not process the video and audio by itself, for this you needs a NAS capable of process and stream your video content to DLNA TV, higher bitrate video will have a hard time if the NAS is underpowered.If you already has a normal TV, you can just purchase another media player with network capability, I think it would be a cheaper option compare to NAS that can stream your video content, media player can be range from 200+ and above depends on your features requirement. |
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Oct 5 2014, 08:42 PM
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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Oct 4 2014, 07:44 PM) Yes, basically DLNA allow streams input only and it does not process the video and audio by itself, for this you needs a NAS capable of process and stream your video content to DLNA TV, higher bitrate video will have a hard time if the NAS is underpowered. Oh I see, which media player would you recommend? Sorry if this is off topic...If you already has a normal TV, you can just purchase another media player with network capability, I think it would be a cheaper option compare to NAS that can stream your video content, media player can be range from 200+ and above depends on your features requirement. |
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Oct 6 2014, 07:53 AM
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QUOTE(blacktubi @ Sep 30 2014, 12:16 PM) DSM works very well with Apple products. Thanks for the information.File is accessed via SMB or Mac file service. You can configure your NAS for time machine backup. Synology also build apps so your iPhone or iPad can access the file. |
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