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post Sep 4 2013, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(aerozs @ Sep 4 2013, 02:16 PM)
Thanks. So if i use raid 0, it'll become 4tb. Can i just simply switch between raid 0 and 1 or i need to reset/format HD first?
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You need to understand the function of RAID.
RAID0 means no redundancy, it's striped for only 1 purpose: speed, either 1 HDD spoilt and you lose all data.
RAID1 is mirroring, means every HDD is a direct mirror of the 1st HDD.
I believe there's another configuration called JBOD which set all HDD as 1 volume so you use it like 1 HDD, you lost data of the HDD that spoilt though I'm not too sure if function like RAID0.

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post Sep 4 2013, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(Halia @ Sep 4 2013, 04:31 PM)
still on the painful process of trial and error on my QNAP TS220.  The 'technical service' by the distributor is not that helpful thought friendly.  Pls allow me to shot some basic questions.
1) In order to have remote access (access PC data from out-of-home), I need a DDNS account - Yes/No?  If yes, I need to pay for DDNS service thought there may still be some that are free - Yes/No, care to explain further?
2) I have multiple pc, what is the best way to back-up to NAS?  I am using the NetBak Replicator but it takes 'days'.
3) For multiple Pc back-up, do I need to create a different back-up folders in the NAS.

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1) Yes, DDNS is needed if you're having dynamic IP.
No, you won't need to pay for free account but some restriction apply.
a) You will receive account re-activation every month if inactive or IP never change.
b) Not able to use paid domain means you get stuck with limited amount of choice of domain.
I personally use No-IP

2) What's your network speed? It affects how fast can you backup your data to your NAS, preferred gigabit network capable hardware.
You can always use something like Cobian Backup of which can schedule your backup, and perform sleep, shut-down your PC when it's done. Or if your data is used daily and only needs single backup copy, you can always opt for incremental/differential backup for quick backup of your updated data only so you won't waste time updating every single data in the PC.

3) Different folder for best organization, so you know which backup belong to which PC, etc.

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post Dec 21 2013, 07:42 PM

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QUOTE(philipcs @ Dec 20 2013, 04:15 PM)
Hi,
Want to ask about the WD-Red HDD for NAS.
I am buying Synology DS213J and do I really need WD-RED? or normal WD-Green will do?
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Best to get the Green series for CCTV, WDC AV-GP series is designed for CCTV purpose, good for 24/7 running, also 1-year more warranty than the normal Green series.
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post Dec 28 2013, 09:23 AM

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QUOTE(arslow @ Dec 27 2013, 04:27 PM)
So we can say that those WG Green AV are good candidates for a seedbox too?
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Green AV is good for single drives operations, means no RAID or whatever RAID equivalent for the drives.
But Mrbob point out that Green AV is good under RAID1 so you may start with that.

QUOTE(The Wonder @ Dec 27 2013, 04:45 PM)
Sifus, is the transfer rate like this healthy (PC to NAS)?

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Am using DNS-327L + Asus RT-N56U.
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Is that a constant speed from your PC to your NAS (60MB/s+), looks pretty fast, what's your setup for your NAS? RAID0? RAID1? hmm.gif
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post Dec 29 2013, 06:16 PM

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QUOTE(The Wonder @ Dec 29 2013, 04:33 AM)
Glad that you says it's fast  biggrin.gif
Constant speed about 60-65MB/sec, RAID0. I even saw the thing hit about 74MB/sec (for about 30-40secs) before dropping back to 6x.
I was quite concerned about the speed when I looked at the 320L, and furthermore no USB3! That's how I ended up with 327L.
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OH!! RAID0!! No wonder. sweat.gif
Have you tried non-RAID before? Before you decided on RAID0, or RAID1 transfer speed? hmm.gif
Anyway I assume you have a huge backup around, RAID0 is only for speed, no redundancy to back it up in case a drive fail.

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post Dec 31 2013, 09:18 AM

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QUOTE(Matrix @ Dec 31 2013, 09:09 AM)
Ds213j how much ar?
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https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...30797&hl=ds213j
RM690... shocking.gif
Ok, possibly just my opinion but kinda expensive, haha...
Not being offence but DIY still kinda feels cheaper... sweat.gif

DLink is a good choice, for a start... hmm.gif
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post Dec 31 2013, 04:43 PM

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QUOTE(Matrix @ Dec 31 2013, 09:42 AM)
That day i was at Jayacom...there is this dunno Netgear model...4 bay RM 8xx or RM9xx, slightly under RM1k.

Dunno if it's slow like turtle also....forgot model..

RM690 kinda expensive ....Dlink-327 seems like more worthwhile buy...

btw, when you mentioned DIY, do you mean using old PC for NAS?? kinda clunky and big...not too mention power sucking.....not ideal...
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Old PC? Power sucking? LOL, my 24/7 torrenting box is not even more than 30W, DIY PC with the below specs:
Core 2 Duo E8400 @ 1.6GHz, 0.95V
1x 2GB RAM
1x 500GB HDD
3x 2TB HDD
Unknown brand PSU
2x 120mm fan @ 5v mod
CM Elite 310 (M-ATX)
Oh no, PC nowadays is great at power management, not the Pentium 4 era. wink.gif
Future plan is Bitfenix m-ITX case, mainboard though is a pain to find. sweat.gif

May not be anyone cup of tea for DIY, troublesome on the first time setup. doh.gif
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post Jan 2 2014, 07:55 AM

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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jan 2 2014, 07:05 AM)
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Some further testing on the 327L reveals:
1) The previous problem with the HD video streaming from NAS-->Android box seems to be resolved with using a different app (ES File Explorer) by just reading directly from the folder...i am not sure how's the protocol in this works, maybe it bypass the UPNP thing. Now it is as good as streaming from my PC using TVERSITY. Previously, i was using SKIFTA as client to stream from the NAS.
2) Another thing i discovered, the file previously having problem streaming directly from NAS has a DTS-ES soundtrack...for some reason, streaming from the DLINK UPNP can't passthrough this soundtrack. I tried another file with only DTS and it seems fine.

Solution:
1) Use PC to stream using TVERSITY for all movies will work 100% (but means PC needs to turn on).
2) Stream directly to Android Box using ES Explorer (add the path to the network) and play directly as shared file using MX Player.

Possible cause:
Probably UPNP in the DLINK not enough processing power or can't handle some soundtrack format.
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Oh... good info, didn't know Android uses UPNP to stream, kinda stupid to force the NAS to work harder, read directly using SMB is a better choice I think, just like using the ES File Explorer.
Can you now seek the movie without pause too much? (Jump chapters, forward)
You using Gbps LAN right? hmm.gif
DNS-327L uses some very low-end embedded CPU (Marvell Armada 300: http://www.marvell.com/embedded-processors/armada-300/) sweat.gif
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post Jan 3 2014, 02:11 PM

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QUOTE(thankyou @ Jan 3 2014, 12:53 PM)
I'm using N36L as well for 3 years + 24/7... I can feel the PSU starting to give up as the PSU fan is noisy...

Running on Windows 2008 R2 and so far so good!

Wish to have this though...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16816401170
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How much you bought your N36L? Within RM600?
What's the PSU size? Is it the non-standard size that's used in some shuttle chassis? hmm.gif

I am planning for future (if board still available) on DIY Mini-ITX 4~6 HDDs NAS with below specs:
ASROCK E35LM1 Mini-ITX [RM 190]
Bitfenix Phenom Mini-ITX [RM 279]
1x 4GB RAM [RM 120]
FSP 500W PSU [RM 150]
Total [RM 739]

If the HP N36L is RM600 and below then DIY project is not value any more, what do you all say?
In my case, I'll probably break the RM 800 barrier as I'm living in the East so postage fees is another issue to be considered.
But I do think the above performance will beat the HP N36L, but lack the ease of installing HDD and the size of the chassis will probably turn off some. rolleyes.gif
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post Jan 8 2014, 09:26 AM

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QUOTE(numbertwo @ Jan 7 2014, 02:21 PM)
i'm running 1x1TB (OS), 2x 2TB Green 24x7,  i remember the measurement was around 32w-35w

The complete package shud come with a dvdrom too.  I have mine and its left behind collecting dust, anyone wants it??
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Wow, such a waste, mind sell me cheap cheap? tongue.gif
Maybe we can discuss this further in PM. nod.gif

Anyway, regards the Microserver, can the DVD-ROM be made into another drive bay? (Use normal SATA HDD/SSD)
If not mistaken the drive bay still retain the 5.25" for N54L, the latest Gen8 seems to use the slim DVD drive, saw it at HP website.
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QUOTE(numbertwo @ Jan 8 2014, 10:11 AM)
Ok, RM50/-, take it??

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Is that DVD-ROM or the Microserver?
Don't think you'll let go the Microserver at this price?


QUOTE(qwerty79 @ Jan 8 2014, 10:34 AM)
Thinking of building DIY NAS but with price of hardware here in Kuantan much more expensive than KL, thinking of buying this microserver.
Here Dlink 320 (Old model) price at rm380, imagine the price for qnap or synology. Not much choice here.

The microserver price I get is from lelong. Only 2 left.
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Yeah, even in Kuching, Sarawak here, the only good retail shop with latest variety is PC Image, and that's the price is also goat dang high; RM450 for Dlink 327L, and only that model available. Saw the Qnap/Synology 4-bay at PC City and it was cut-throat RM3k+ if not mistaken, few hundred RM different, sigh, obviously this run-down town will never get fair price treatment (shipment expensive la, bla bla bla...) doh.gif

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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jan 8 2014, 02:40 PM)
You can download Synology DSM (stands for what?) and use on other PC? Where can download? Synology website??
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Found one article with details on how to get the Synology DSM into a PC (Microserver).
Interesting but very troublesome overall for the first time setup.

Click here

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QUOTE(corad @ Jan 9 2014, 10:48 PM)
For a light user ; just file storage, auto backup and media streaming

caveat is I've guests who drop by quite frequently and don't want them to have instant access to my files.

what would be the recommendation ? Network with a mix of Macs and Windows. Been looking at synology , reviews have been good but any tips for the sifus here ?

p/s: previously was looking at apple time capsule so ease of setup is a must  tongue.gif
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Best to get Synology as I doubt Windows will have easy access to Apple products (Apple is stingy after all).
Synology is easy to setup as long as you don't care about their other features than just storing files, user level access can be setup to prevent guest access (instant access).
I'm not a Synology user so I'm not so sure how many screens to get the NAS working, maybe some other sifus here can post their experience.
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QUOTE(qwerty79 @ Jan 11 2014, 09:17 PM)
Finally I bought N40L. Installed 4.3 DSM (Xpenology) in it and it works!

Not so hard, pretty straight forward with a bit of minor problem at the beginning. I can't detect the microserver but after that, everything run smooth.

Currently only run with one 250Gb hard disk. Surely will add more in the coming week/month. Thinking of running 2 small capacity hard disk with raid 1 (for important data), and 2 x 3TB with JBOD (movies, etc). But don't know to get just green or go to red hd? Hard disk is pricey here, 2TB already reach rm350 for WD Green (not av).
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Where you bought your N40L from?
How much it cost?
What media you used to boot the DSM? USB pendrive? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(qwerty79 @ Jan 31 2014, 07:24 PM)
I bought mine from lelong.com.my but a bit expensive.

Anyway, those who have N40L, what is the transfer rate between pc and N40L connected through wired line? Mine only 11mbs max.
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Are you using swtich and is your switch 1Gbps capable? or
Are you connect crossover from your PC to your N40L?

Chances are you're connecting through a 100Mbps switch, bottleneck, buy a 1Gbps switch and your problem solved, probably can reach 60~90MB/s depending on your hard disk speed.
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QUOTE(qwerty79 @ Feb 2 2014, 12:08 AM)
In lelong, just search N40L. Seller name is cylan.
Connect with adsl wifi modem router 150Mbps. I guess it not a gigabit router.
Usually how does ppl connect their NAS with streamyx line? Buy seperate adsl and router?
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For cheapest and easiest way is to buy another Gbps switch and connect all your PC, NAS to it and another short interconnect to your router (ADSL WiFi router?) rather than spend another few hundred to get a router that has gigabit port, Gbps 5-port switch is cheap nowadays, TP-Link brand only cost RM50+? Well, depends on shops as well. sweat.gif
I still prefer wired over wireless if you need super stable transfer speed, the new AC is great but if you don't have good AC card on both end, it's pretty much useless, WiFi AC router cost more than RM300+ for a starter, the WiFi network card is not included yet. doh.gif
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QUOTE(drkpower @ Feb 4 2014, 10:12 AM)
so this is not a gigabit right??
100BASE-TX Fast Ethernet  doh.gif

how much for a good router?
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Just change your switch, cheaper and less headache, for cheap layer-1 switch it's plug&play.
If you seriously needs 16-ports Gbps switch then it's much expensive, more than RM200+ (DLink brand), not so sure about TP-Link though.
8-port Gbps switch is around RM100 or less.
And about your "8mbps", is it MegaBytes? or Megabits? Huge difference there. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(drkpower @ Feb 4 2014, 05:43 PM)
thanks for your reply bro
it is 8 megabyte/second

my friend came to the office just now and he said my Ethernet cable is an ancient one..cat5  doh.gif
and he also suggest change to a better switch
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Cat5, erm... well Cat5e can sustain 1Gbps speed without any issue in my home's network, but I'm not so sure about huge office environment (more than 20 PCs).
For home network where there's less than 5 busy devices on a single network, it's fine to use just Cat5e with cheap layer-1 switch, no issue at all.

QUOTE(arslow @ Feb 4 2014, 06:07 PM)
can those cheap switches actually sustain a 1gbps speed? something tells me no sweat.gif
Ok, maybe I guess if it just one connection it should be ok, but have never tried before.
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I'm using DLink 8-port Gbps switch, no issue on my end yet, been running months non-stop, the only bottleneck could be my hard disk, running without any RAID.
To maximize the huge files transfer speed in Windows network, you can actually set the Jumbo frame to 4K and above, but best to set a standard amount (4K or 8K, etc.) for all PC's network card for stability issue, it has been tested on my end here, from 60MB/s to 75MB/s, could be more depends on the hard disk speed again, can reach 90MB/s and above easily with really fast hard disk or SSD on both end.
For few PCs access a single device, that'll again depends on the hard disk accessibility speed, also it may depends on the services as well, priority queues stuff like that.
I have 2 PCs access a single file shares before, watching full HD movie on both sides without any issue, no lags at all, but if you going to seek the movie, probably will need to pause for few seconds (lag) instead of instantaneous seek. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Lurker @ Feb 6 2014, 12:12 PM)
anyone knows the samsung drives  f3 is now branded as what model under SG?
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ST1000DM003, that's the nearest model currently available from Seagate. hmm.gif
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http://www.seagate.com/as/en/internal-hard-drives/desktop-hard-drives/desktop-hdd/#specs

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QUOTE(drkpower @ Feb 14 2014, 02:42 AM)
So.......

I have changed my switch to TP-Link Gigabit switch and Cat6E cable
but still the transfer is too damn slow..only 3MB/s (now i know the difference between MB/s and mb/s lol)

Before i changed the cables and switch..even transferring between pc is damn slow somewhere around 12MB/s but now it increased to 40MB/s

Could it be NAS (ReadyNAS 104) problem??  rclxub.gif
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If your NAS couldn't even max out your previous 100Mbps switch then not worth the upgrade of switch and cable (Cat6) sweat.gif
What's your configuration of your NAS? Perhaps some gurus here can help you optimize the configuration and makes it transfer faster.
Transfer between PC always bottleneck by the hard disk speed, but it also can be affected the OS as well, going for Windows Server has actually increase the transfer rate much further (from Windows 7 to Windows Server 2008), ranging from 60MB/s max (peak for Windows 7) to 80MB/s max (peak for Windows Server 2008), but of course you're looking at spending more on the licenses. sweat.gif sweat.gif

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