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CocoMonGo
post Oct 14 2013, 10:44 AM

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post Nov 4 2013, 08:54 AM

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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Nov 2 2013, 01:15 PM)
My data is not critical, but i do required some parity and redundancy. HW raid will cost double, the card alone gonna cost a bomb. Not to mention which die first, the raid array or the hdd.  I have no problem with linux, and probably going to utilize LVM if go into linux route.  But since i have a free copy of Win Server 2012 R2, might experiment with it first with MS fancy new FS.  laugh.gif

Talking about resource hungry OS, im quite dissapointed with ZFS which is require 1GB ram per TB to perform at its best.  I'm still looking if Win Server require that much resource as well as Linux LVM.  hmm.gif
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Are you planning to use the server for anything else other than just pure storage? Coz IMO if just storage your CPU is overspec'ed. I checked the G2020 is a 55W processor, plus all the other components your power usage is probably hitting 75-100W. Not every cheap to run if you are leaving it on 24/7.
You do not need 1GB RAM per TB of HDD for ZFS. THat is only required if you are running de-dup
I also strongly recommend that if possible try to get ECC compliant RAM and MB

BTW what is the flashdrive for? If you are thinking of installing ur OS there my suggestion is to forget about it and get a HDD instead. You can get those 2.5" ones for cheap.
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post Nov 4 2013, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Nov 4 2013, 09:35 AM)
flash drive if only i run freenas. For other os, i will be using ssd.

55w is maximum tdp, i dont think it will run on full load all the time.  Going ECC and true server motherboard going to cost more and hard to source especially ITX.  And i probably need to find hardware raid for that too and going for mini-sas connectivity.  Consumer grade board itx have maximum 6 sata ports, i can expand it with HB controller that i already have up to 4 ports. 

One server grade itx board that have 12 sata is from asrock. The cpu is BGA type, soldered down.  But hard to source as well.  Im thinking for flexibility of the box in the future. Having more room to expand not only the storage, but also in terms of purpose. Running few virtualize server might be possible.
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Well for me its about data security. I have had corrupted files before but your milage may vary.

On the power consumption you are right in that its only 55w is max.
http://www.extrahardware.com/clanky/intel-...ion/strana/0/11

If you are thinking of future expansion ITX is probably too limiting with only 1 slot. My HP N40L only have 1 16x and 1 1x PCIe slots I also find susah to upgrade.
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QUOTE(mrbob @ Nov 4 2013, 11:36 AM)
LSI has several options to add 4-16x HDDs, but the external HDD enclosures will cost you.
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Are you refering to using a DAS for external connection?
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post Nov 5 2013, 11:45 PM

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QUOTE(abubin @ Nov 5 2013, 10:54 PM)
wow! this is nice!!! Anyone know what are the pricing like?

And if I can replace the SSD with normal 2.5" sata drive instead? It does work with normal 2.5" sata hdd.

Hmm..does hp proliant have enough sata connection for it...
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The icydock is meant to work with any 2.5" SATA drives. Problem with it though u need to have equal number of SATA connections to connect all the drives.

Which HP proliant server are you referring to anyway? The microserver model?( in which case has 1 SAS port + 1 SATA + 1eSATA. Otherwise get a PCIe to SATA expansion card.
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post Nov 5 2013, 11:50 PM

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QUOTE(powerwoot @ Nov 5 2013, 08:10 PM)
I am having an extra desktop, Lenovo Thinkcentre Edge 72, SFF built and powered by G2020 CPU which is I find suitable to run as a NAS function. The specs are as below

Processor
    Intel Pentium G2020 Processor( 2.90GHz 1333MHz )
- Operating system
    Windows 7 Professional (64-bit)
- System Graphics
    Intel Integrated HD Graphics
- Total memory
    Hynix 2.0GB PC3-12800 DDR3 SDRAM 1600 MHz
- Hard drive device
    WD Blue 500GB 7200 rpm
- Optical device
    DVD Recordable/CD-RW

Most probably I am willing to wipe the Windows and replacing it with Linux, other which part is good for me to upgrade/replace. Any opinions appreciated. Thanks
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Upgrade the RAM. Did you check how many SATA connections it has and how many free drive bays is available?
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post Nov 14 2013, 10:50 PM

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QUOTE(weirdguy @ Nov 14 2013, 07:45 PM)
Thanks mrbob for your suggestion.

I have thought of straight jump to Phase-2 before as I never thought there is a reasonable price and reliable NAS such as the one you recommended.
However, I still wish to understand, from your perspective (hopefully you have Synology especially DS413J), would there be many and great difference/benefit to choose Synology, QNAP than Dlink and others?

Also, is WD AV Green share similar to WD Red series?
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I always recommend getting a DIY fileserver vs a NAS. I just think the NAS in Malaysia (and maybe overseas too) are overpriced.
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post Jan 16 2014, 09:44 AM

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QUOTE(qwerty79 @ Jan 13 2014, 02:42 PM)
I plan only to switch on my microserver when ever I'm available at home, 6pm-7am and don't plan for 24/7. So, will Green do the job or still better go for RED? Red is non existent here, even for Green AV is hard to get here.
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You do not need to get WD Red specifically. Everyone used WD Green in their N36L and N40L for years before the Reds came to market. I have been using Green and I leave mine on 24/7 without issue
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post Jan 16 2014, 05:14 PM

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QUOTE(qwerty79 @ Jan 16 2014, 10:04 AM)
I can see in your siggy, you want to sell your hd and ram? Still available?
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yup still available. PM me before the Mods come and kick us tongue.gif
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post Jan 20 2014, 12:13 AM

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QUOTE(qwerty79 @ Jan 17 2014, 10:45 PM)
I already connect with other pc. The pc bios can detect but in windows 8, no hard disk device. During start up, I heard clank sound... spinning... clank... spinning.... but silent when windows loading up.
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HDD damaged liau. I am using 3TB WD greens without problem. Doubt the Red would be any problems normally either.


QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jan 18 2014, 11:47 AM)
Because of the non existent TLER, it is recommended NOT to use WD green drives. Of course some people manage to use it because their green hardisk did not experience write error situations which would require the drive to pause and take more time to handle write errors. When that happens, the RAID controller thinks there is an error recovery to be made and drops the whole hardisk. This is a nuisance when the drive falls out of the RAID array and forcing rebuilds.
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Here are a couple of articles and write ups about TLER (summary)

The responses I received from Synology, QNAP, NETGEAR and Buffalo all indicated that their NAS RAID controllers don't depend on or even listen to TLER, CCTL, ERC or any other similar error recovery signal from their drives. Instead, their software RAID controllers have their own criteria for drive timeouts, retries and when a drive is finally marked bad. http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/nas/nas-fea...n-your-raid-nas

Do i need to use TLER or RAID edition harddrives (for ZFS pools) ?
No and if you use TLER you should disable it when using ZFS. TLER is only useful for mission-critical servers who cannot afford to be frozen for 10-60 seconds, and to cope with bad quality RAID controller that panic when a drive is not responding for multiple seconds because its performing recovery on some sector. Do not use TLER with ZFS! Instead, allow the drive to recover its errors. ZFS will wait, the wait time can be configured. You won't have broken RAID arrays, which is common with Windows-based FakeRAID arrays. http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1500505

Actually if you are doing a DIY server way like the microserver, just dont use normal RAID period. THere is no reason not to use ZFS actually.

QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jan 18 2014, 11:27 PM)
Why don't get a HP NC360T PCIe x4 dual GBit network card, mod it to PCIe x1 and install it in the PCIe x4 slot meant for Remote Access Card?
that works? I though the x4 slot didnt work with x1 cards even if you modded it.
btw u can find dual port pcie NIC on ebay UK for cheap. Posted to malaysia can be as low as RM100. Just look around. I managed to pick up a quad port intel i350 from the garage sales last time too.

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post Feb 2 2014, 08:04 AM

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QUOTE(qwerty79 @ Feb 2 2014, 12:08 AM)
In lelong, just search N40L. Seller name is cylan.
Connect with adsl wifi modem router 150Mbps guess it not a gigabit router.
Usually how does ppl connect their NAS with streamyx line? Buy seperate adsl and router?
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150Mbps is your WiFi speed, not your LAN speed. If you are doing file transfers from your computer through your cable (LAN) then it makes sense to get a gigabit router as the speed can reach 100+Mbps. If you prefer WiFi file transfers than it is usually to upgrade to 802.11ac to get the fast speed possible now (assuming your computer also supports 802.11ac connection).
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post Sep 9 2016, 12:49 PM

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Guys I got questions: if you all already have a NAS or server to store your data, do you all still maintain another backup somewhere? I.e. a offsite backup of your NAS or external drive?

 

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