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Official Site:
Forte Microsite
Naza-Kia Official Site
Kia-Cerato
MyFORTE: Forte Owners Club Facebook Group

Videos:
Commercial


Kia Forte Crash test:



Models Available:
1.6EX - RM 75,800
1.6SX - RM 81,800
2.0SX - RM 93,800

Spec:
Spec in PDF


Price List:
1.6 EX
1.6 SX
2.0 SX

Review:
Paultan --Motortrader -- Left Lane News-- The Car Connection -- SG Car Mart AutoBlog-- Autotrend
Comparizon Forte vs Mazda 3vs Altis
Forte vs Civic vs Ford Focus

Forte Owner List (Booking place-grey)*updated 17th Jan 5PM
FORTE 1.6 (EX & SX):
1) julz76 (SX - Titanium Silver)
2) Fortelover (SX - Clear White)
3) kinraraTKK2 (SX - Titanium Silver)
4) Spawnster (SX - Bright Silver)
5) perfect7g (EX - Titanium Silver)
6) iluvena (SX - Clear White)
7) yhlee12 (SX - Titanium silver)
8) victoryong(SX - Spicy Red)
9) shamsul_LP (SX - Black)
10) ssek76 (SX - Metal bronze)
11) ameoba73 (SX - Bright Silver)
12) yippi (SX - Bright Silver)
13) jason5191 (SX - Titanium Silver)
14) fromhell13 (SX - Black)
15) 4te (SX - Titanium Silver)
16) phelix (SX - Black)
17) kennyphan (SX - Clear White)
18) megpan (SX - Clear White)
19) bapak (SX - Spicy Red)
20) xIceLemonTeax (SX - Bright Silver)
21) whiteforte (SX - Clear White)
22) ccnp (SX - Titanium Silver)
23) gegega (SX - Clear White)
24) 0hmyg0d (SX - Metal bronze)
25) Yamamoto (SX - Metal bronze)
26) FonG^ (SX - Clear White)
27) Kitster (SX - Clear White)
28) e-jat (SX - Spicy Red)
29) el_chng (SX - Titanium Silver)
30) kumyih (SX - Clear White)
31) alienoid1982 (SX - Titanium Silver)
32) Numb3r7MU (SX - Clear White)
33) azrul81(SX - Spicy Red)
34) kwyong76 (SX - Titanium Silver)
35) jason_tee(SX - Metal bronze)
36) jason111785 (SX - Clear White)
37) saimatkong (SX - Clear White)
38) titarium (SX - Clear White)
39) RoyBlue(SX - Bright Silver)
40) Kazuhito (SX - Clear White)
41) Tong_tong (SX - Metal bronze)
42) sallehsi (SX - Metal bronze)
43) Succubi (SX - Clear White)
44) Logankrishnan (SX - Bright Silver)
45) n4tea (SX - Bright Silver)
46) jimmy.soo (SX - Bright Silver)
47) rephchan (SX - Bright Silver)
48) smugs (SX - Black)
49) CoolSky (SX - Spicy Red)
50) bcda (EX - Titanium Silver)
51) kiaforteclub (EX - Clear White)
52) sweetpea123 (SX - Titanium Silver)
53) andreslck (SX - Bright Silver)
54) coolxcool (SX - Metal bronze)
55) ur4m3shi(SX - Titanium Silver)
56) akashdon (SX - Clear White)
57) kerryking (SX - Black)
58) syl6810 (SX - Clear White)
59) msk (SX - Metal bronze)
60) jojolcy7 (SX - Clear White)
61) vincentteng (SX - Titanium Silver)
62) arashredha (SX - Clear White)
63) gash77 (SX - Spicy Red)
64) jerrykhor (SX - Clear White)
65) ylchew77 (SX - Titanium Silver)
66) defendsor (SX - Metal bronze)
67) christ_liew (SX - Titanium Silver)
68) Avens (SX - Titanium Silver)
69) Super_Spammer (SX - Clear White)
70) kia4te (SX - Bright Silver)
71) Ox41464b (SX - Clear White)
72) Rezz (SX - Spicy Red)
73) Meztlerx (SX - Metal bronze)
74) lwkong (SX - Bright Silver)
75) melvynlyc (SX - Titanium Silver)
76) Beatmasta (SX - Clear White)
77) guess1805 (SX - Clear White)
78) samforte lwkong (SX - Bright Silver)
79) Vaio pavilion(SX - Clear White)
80) dukunet (SX - Titanium Silver)
81) fladlet (SX - Bright Silver)
82) choonwai11 (SX - Spicy Red)
83) westboss (SX - Clear White)
84) ylzdah (SX - Titanium Silver)
85) DevilsForte (SX - Spicy Red)
86) blitzdotcom (SX - Ebony Black)
87) Jckwlw (SX - Bright Silver)
88) olitabin (SX - Clear White)
89) Zelmel(SX - Bright Silver)
90) imoza05 (SX - Clear White)
91) toyotarave (SX - Bright Silver)
92) mrpcr1 (SX - Clear White)
93) spectra+FORTE (SX - Clear White)
94) KillBill10 (SX - Titanium Silver/Metal Bronze)
95) kop1813 (SX - Bright Silver)
96) winlose2582 (SX - Clear White/Titanium Silver/Metal Bronze)
97) LVS (SX - Clear White)
98) iser (SX - Clear White)
99) paulky (SX - Spicy Red)
100) cyee911 (SX - Clear White)
101) wnew(SX - Black)
102) tcwin (SX - Bright Silver)
103) ansonyyc (SX - Metal bronze)
104) young82 (SX - Clear White)
105) fezbone84 (SX - Black)
106) gaban (SX - Metal Bronze)
107) kerryking (SX - Titanium Silver)


FORTE 2.0SX:
1) bomberman (Titanium Silver)
2) teeym (clear white)
3) twtang (Titatinium Silver)
4) jackyap84 (Clear white)
5) zubinkhan (Titanum Silver)
6) StarGhazzer (Titatinium Silver) - Australia
7) black.sun (Clear White)
8) Apong1 (Ebony Black)
9) izputra (Metal Bronze)
10) ruth1977 (Clear White)
11) miet (Metal Bronze)
12) mc_groven (Titatinium Silver)
13) LigerFX (Clear White)
14) wsd3m0n (Titanum Silver)
15) uputra (Clear White)
16) melmelho (Clear White/Titanium Silver)
17) sam99my (Clear White)
18) Perryyip (Clear White)
19) apiltzs (Clear White)
20) toytoy (Titatinium Silver)
21) epo (Bright Silver )
22) eecos (Ebony Black)
23) Blinque (Metal Bronze)
24) yvroomc (Titanium Silver)


FORTE COUPE !! Coming Soon 2010 !!

*New owner or potential owner plz PM me with = "LYN nick (color) " - easier to manage

Interest rate as of end of Nov (Just a general guide, please contact your banker for details) :


New car collection checklist
Download PDF


How to "Break in" Your car engine
1) from Wiki
2) Contribute by Phelix

3) Povided y Iluvena - controversy hard break in.
Hard break in

Tint
Infrared(IRR) - for heat penetration , recommend aprox 90%
Visible Light Transmition (VLT) - JPJ approval must not be less than 70%
Aircool -> Strongly Recommended please join Look in MyForte club for further info
Vkool
3M
llumar

Paint Protection:
PPS
For more info: Shine & Shield


GS:
For more info : Sierra Glow

Emble: (How to change Emblem ? Click Here)
Kia Original -> RM 135 Visit Sugen's Thread , PM Sugen

King Loong (Back drop color available: Black, Silver, Red & Blue)
Bulk Order by Phelix (RM 105): - Batch 1 Close

Batch 2 -Close 30 pcs to be order

Tigris

Wheel Center Cap:
Kia Original
bulk order by 4te 1set - 4pcs (COD: <10 RM 145 , >10 RM 130, POS Laju + RM6 :


King Loong
Bulk Order by Phelix / Current designing by 0hmyg0d:

Body Kit:
Singapore Bright Silver ; Source

Other Forte Groups:
Malaysia Forte Club
Singapore Cerato Forte Forum

Car Manual (Is a Canada version, suppose to be 95% similiar to Malaysia's Forte - thanks to Iluvena)
click to download

Technical Information (click to download)
EPS Light Up After Engine Start
Front Rear Door Skin Rattle NoiseImproved Fuel Cap
Inoperative AC Blower
PCM Upgrade
Slight Shift Hesitation
Sunvisor Retainer
Sound System Buzz
- - - - - -

FINANCIAL FAQ:
How much I have to pay every month ? Answer

I am earning XXX amount, can I afford this car ?
Answer

What's the Interest rate like?
At the range of 2.8 - 3.5 (as of 1st week of Jan) , depends on banks your record and the time loan if approve

Where can I get the lowest rate?
Usually Islamic banking offers a lower rate, if you know someone working in the bank you'll get a much detail info, or you can bring a copy of lowest approve rate from your friend and show to your favorite bank and ask them to match the given rate.

To be honest you really do have to scout around

This post has been edited by titarium: Apr 4 2010, 07:20 PM

haha...yes...im 1st
congrats for V5

This post has been edited by fahrur_07: Mar 15 2010, 07:52 AM

Aiyaa ..didn't make it this time for the 'First!' post..otherwise somebody will say stupid again like before

Anyway..congrats for reaching V5. hopefully 2.0 will also reach us soon

This post has been edited by izputra: Mar 15 2010, 07:29 AM

congratz on v5...soo long to get here

Finally V5 is here. Ready for my 2.0

V5 Hope V5 will have some good news for the future 2.0 owners here

Congratulations on V5. Please put my nick there. Will be receiving Forte (bright Silver) 1.6SX, this weekend. Thanks.

Is it confirmed that the coupe version will be offered by Naza Kia this year?

Finally its up here..v5.This is the Malaysia fast moving thread so far..

wow finally... waiting for 2.0 Forte =)

Previous TT and waiting for the next big TT + 2.0 together!

myForte Owner TT @ Desa Park City 10-01-10







This post has been edited by saimatkong: Mar 15 2010, 09:25 AM

start your morning with calling your SA asap...

done

wow v5 already... good!

hehe following discussion from V4

it's disappointing to hear this kind of promotion... but it just shows that naza did not price the cars correctly because for an added 6k u'll have a lot of extra features... majority 1.6 buyers will buy sx version if not needing a car urgently... no doubt about it. sorry bro kfc

tat said lets hope 1.6sx can fetch a better resale value because of higher demand for it... it's still a class leader in terms of price

if not mistaken it's 24/20. the passenger side much shorter.

Yaa..eager to join the next big TT with my 2.0. Hopefully can get my car ASAP. else, i might end up joint the TT with my kapcai

yes~ please get urself ready for the koup~ haha

Myforte washing & waxing tools...

Congrate for the V5

Congrats congrats ~~ V5

congrats for V5 ....

when 2.0 is available?
thinking of forte or lancer gt
anyone have pic forte with BK?

Wow, congrats for V5!

Hi Guys, I have been following the V4 thread for quite sometime and you guys are fast!

I am interested on Forte after many good reviews about it against reputable sedans. I have a question here...

I would like to know more about fuel consumption on EX (15" wheels) and SX (17"). What are the rpm readings for both cars running at 110km/h ? I plan to use it for long journey back to hometown.

depends on what u mean by 'avail-able'.

'Bookable' since early Nov 09
'See-able' during launch 26 Nov
'On-malaysian-soil-able' mid Feb 2010
'Showroomcar-able' 5 march 2010
'testdrive-able' 11 march 2010
'arrivable-to -some-branch' today 15 March 2010

'register-able' and 'deliver-able' ... some say earliest 22 march , latest mid April.

Avail-ability? .... some say the 150-200 unit of 2.0 all are booked. Believ-able???

Regarding Forte with BK, i've snapped some pics before & share it in previous thread (V3). Post #1496

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Added on March 15, 2010, 10:33 amVery2 good answer indeed..unbelievable

This post has been edited by izputra: Mar 15 2010, 10:36 AM

S'pore design:




M'sia design:

I heard from my SA 2.0 is not 6 airbags but have 10 airbags lor waaaa fantastic

as for me, i'm okay if they put BK or sports rim for new EX and not slashing the selling price. of course it is not fair for previous buyer because only 3 months they put all those stuffs.. but the price is still remain the same. thats the most importatnt point. you all know naza history right..

V5 should be for 2.0 updates right. Forummers, please update WHEN you actually receive your 2.0. Can't wait to get first hand owner's feedback.
May make me regret not getting as only wait only 1 more month. Congrats to those finally getting their 2.0!!

Almost got it just for the 6 airbags but because didn't need leather seats (scared hot as thought black but now looks greyish?), auto cruise (rarely go highway and don't like first gen Wira ones that feels light. Is forte's new drive by wire type that you keep distance to front car?) and also MDSP as worry wheel too much like computer games wheel so dangerous, I finally decide to save $12K.

andreslck, good stuff for your car maintenance. Please make sure you use 2 bucket system washing to ensure no swirls on car like you get doing it outside

This post has been edited by msk: Mar 15 2010, 10:45 AM

don't count like that.. or we all can say our forte has 5 sport rim tyres.. wowwwwwwwwww!

Hi everyone,


OOO LA LA LA congrats.....V5 already

Anyway, I want to ask forruners here for advice. I have booked and settled all payments for the 2.0. However, my SA said that for insurance, I can only choose one of their three panels which is Maybank, RHB or Kurnia. I actually wanted to stick to my old insurance company. Anyone here managed to stick to their previous insurance company which is not the above 3 panels when purchasing their Forte? If you did, can you advice how to do it? I have also paid for the insurance as part of the full settlement for the new car, maybe I can get refund?

thx.

wa lao.. if Koup is here.. Then, Forte is Real.. real.. hot.. I hope KIA Malaysia will raise up..

nice car guys! bravo! interested in the coupe design... looks real nice, its 2 doors right?

Please refers to my airbags calculation on previous thread (V4). Post #3096

wow...forte is nicer with BK

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Added on March 15, 2010, 10:58 amwaa...really leaves me speechless

This post has been edited by fahrur_07: Mar 15 2010, 10:58 AM

ok thanks i have refer to it hehe

any forumers have test drive 2.0SX any comments?

wow...nice...
how much???

Congrats V5.
Just sent my car for PPS, and doing the "interior pps" (don't know how to call it) for the dashboard and seats also..need to add another RM120.

Wa. So fast v5. Sometimes miss out 2days can't read all the post.
Too fast~~~~!

Hehe..Forte getting so much attention nowadays.

anyone in JB area know anyplace doing PPS or product similar??

RM125

But for a moment .... the question lingering to a few of us was " Is the 2.0 booking fee/downpayment refund-able??"

This post has been edited by redz3: Mar 15 2010, 11:47 AM

lol. u guys.. last time we got all "LESS" word in creative way.. now its "ABLE" turn...

funny la u all

So long wait for car .... all can do is positive thingking. Can ..able ... will. Even false hope also good enuf...

no news about 2.0 yet?

what's the fastest delivery time when you have signed the loan agreement and also paid the deposit for the 1.6SX

Forte really comes with 5 soprt rims ... including the spare tyres..

nope from my SA ....

This post has been edited by redz3: Mar 15 2010, 12:36 PM

But 2.0 will be here soon. Please be patient

Any 'inside' news .... ?
Argh .. next 2 weeks feels like 2 months. (Why am I writing like in Facebook? .... this is car forum lo)

WOOOHOO V5!

wow...V5...

i terlanggar my back bumper when reversing today T.T ...phone rang and didnt hear my car beeped long time edy... sigh

but luckily kena the bottom part (black plastic) instead of the upper tier with paint...lucky shit... This makes me love my forte even more (obviously they put the black bottom plastic for some reason instead of just styling)

but still a bit heart ache, even though scratch not obvious..

I'm preparing to go to 1.6 SX, just wonder if there's any comment on the branch in TTDI? The SA by the name Esther seems ok, but a little too eager to sell. The 2.0 is sitting in the showroom looking pretty but not available for test drive.

me too...not sure why my bumper get scratches..
since wanted to do pps, so i ask the boss to do touch up for me b4 pps..let see the result this evening...

The boot tray and the plastic key cover...


When can we meet to collect it?

Thanks

wat color ur forte,,,

i went pps..the boss there can only help touch up with those spray paint..if metalic color, dun get too upset if cannot match back ur color..

if white, red n black still ok..

Did anyone here managed to get an extended warranty from Naza or managed to buy insurance for the extended warranty?

Please advise.

.............White.

according to KM FB, they're negotiating on the extension with their principal. if got extension it will cover for previous batch automatically.
for insurance or EWP program by naza dunno.

hmm i still cant decide whether black 18" rims with look nice on a white forte..whad say you guys? white on black rims?

Wah...18".. i dunno look nice or not..
but 17" is very fine for me..
i think some are think to have 16' rim to get better comfort..

16"s ah? yeah guess that size gives good absorb not so harsh like the 17"s," i still dunno whether to go for 18"s ..probbly will jst stick with 17"s Black Rim. White on Black Rims... lemme try to imagine it first.

Hi all, just spoke to an SA (not my SA) and he said that they still have not done the allocation for the 2.0 as there are still issues with kastam . They are waiting for their call from HQ before they can start the allocation provided all kastam issues are sorted, but he was optimistic they will start allocating end of this month or early April. I know the 2.0 is already in the showroom and one forummer's earlier post (can't remember which) said he will be getting his 2.0 today. I hope this SA is just bs me, or else it looks like it may be longer wait for all of us Anyone got any news from their SA on the 2.0, or even better, has actually received their 2.0?

With ready stock, 4 days booked on Monday, received on Friday.

Stock 17" alright with the hole on the road? My friend said the tyre too thin, might hurt the rims if drop into hole on the road. Colleague said it consider thick enough for 17" rims. Wondering should I change....

Guess mine will take a while as I wanted to tender for a number in WTT xxxx (since the WTR and WTS numbers would have been gone by now) - my wife's favorite number what to do. Was informed that each alphabet takes around a week to finish, and today its already WTR 1000+ numbers already

This post has been edited by toyotarave: Mar 15 2010, 02:24 PM

Just survey around for the windscreen tinted, Aircool now is having promotion..
RM630 for whole car, 88% Heat reduction. It is worth?

You're sure man? ..215/40 R18 wheels can .. coz only 0.62% increase in radius. But so thin tyre profile ...

http://www.alloywheels.com/tyrecalc.asp

Change of tyre thickness, will change the diameter of whole rim.
This will affect your speedometer, the speed show on the meter may be wrong after that.

That 'one forumer' did midnight joking only..hehe As of now..no delivery news for the 2.0

will put my rims for sale once i get them - downgrade to 16" where the prices of tyres are more reasonable and comfortable

Aduhai...get soo excited 2.0 coming senang kena conned...somemore I told the SA that I "heard" someone is receiving their 2.0 today....patutlah the SA gave me a blur look.... .....so as all the SAs are now "quiet" about the allocation, looks like we have to wait for the 22nd to see what happens next. Hopefully some other forumer will have some good intel on the status of the 2.0s...

update us if got found the good deal on 16rim + tires.

Dont mind having my car at the showroom for a few days before car number being registered with new number

I used to drive a yellow satria with black rims.. just 15" ... it definitely looks nice at night as the shine from the rim stand out lik a mirror (might hav over exaggerated abit xP).. if u goin for black rims.. dunnit get so big cuz the color givs the illusion of it being quite big..

huhu
i quote someone posting on KM's FB here.. it means Forte is definitely value for our money!! and shame to T & H for cheating their customer and for fanboy also... poor them. kekeke



Source

This post has been edited by iluvena: Mar 15 2010, 04:39 PM

I like the last phrase "I'm supporting the brand that gives Malaysians more specs, better build quality and nice designs WITHOUT charging them an arm and a leg". That phrase has something to do with Forte as a value for money car right? i share the same thought...& yup, not worth buying a 'tin kosong', overpriced & over rated T&H cars.

This post has been edited by izputra: Mar 15 2010, 04:47 PM

T&H salesman just goyang kaki wait for their 'preys' to come to them. No need go hunt also. That's how malaysian reacts. They just can't 'resist' Ts and Hs.

So no matter how rediculous T&H prices are, they'll still get customer. You can say that they're same as alcohol and cigarettes

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This post has been edited by Matrix: Mar 15 2010, 04:51 PM

deleted. hahahaha

This post has been edited by iluvena: Mar 15 2010, 04:59 PM

I think T and H are good cars just that we have had no other reasonable choices for reliability thats all and because the other brands had no experience building good cars - now that technology is accessible to those who can afford it - means that the consumer can choose - (with another comment but better hold back in case kena caught)

Nope, no PPs ,no SG.
Only got DIY waxing yourself..hehe
Good also lah, at least we got excuse to save some $$.



This post has been edited by miet: Mar 15 2010, 05:09 PM

Hi bros,

I'm actually a bit confuse by the process, from paying booking fee -> car collection?

What is the actual process, as I have hear so many different version of the story, and I think it is just SA trying to cover their own ass and confuse us with the process..FYI my booking is for 2.0 unit

I understand that we have to pay the booking fee at first, but is the vehicle "allocated" at this point? typically, I made my loan application right after paying the booking fee. My SA said that to make thing faster I should pay the full payment first, without waiting for my current car trade in.

I want to ask, is he just taking me for a ride, or will paying the full downpayment help to speed up the allocation process? Or will I also have to wait for the LOU from my bank loan to be completed as well?

Also, I keep hearing him say "the stock is locked for other customer", but he also said my car has already been allocated upon payment of booking fee. What does it mean locked for other customer? is it the same as allocated? or does it mean when allocated, means they will only start to ship the stock in from Korea?

At which point can we make the JPJ registration for the vehicle?

Hope the bros here who have already been through this able to help explain a bit...first time I deal with so "ulu" dealer like Naza...

eager to know what matrix's comments...

too bad....
u know ,i am the lazy type, lazy to do waxing DIY.....if got PPS, SG, then can help a lot.....

Yaa..no doubt that T&H cars are good & reliable. My father & my brother also own a T & H cars respectively..both cars turned out to be as good & as reliable as it supposed to be. only the fact that both cars are highly overprice with the under-specced features that turned me off. an emergence of Forte with better & high-end specs, on par (if not better) build quality & yet at a very reasonable price make it an obvious choice for me to buy it. Sorry to T&H owners & fan..it is the facts indeed

same like me.. lazy but crazy coz wanna white forte.. kekeke
not doing any PPS or SG yet.. arghhhhhhh.. park at open parking summore.. arghhhhh

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Added on March 15, 2010, 5:24 pmhe got forte too. just nick toyotarave coz he own one before..
correct arr toyotarave? kekekeke

This post has been edited by iluvena: Mar 15 2010, 05:24 PM

that y i didnt op for the beauty clear white........i think will be yellowish in no time in my hand.....

I'm from Johor also. Johor don hv PPS but only in Spore. I plan to do PPS in SG. R u interested?

is it? forte spare tyre also sport rim ah? my previous waja spare tyre just a normal tire smaller size summore. sigh...

we've been patient since donkey months ago.

should be no problem..don;t know if it look nice on forte... Lancer GT also with 18" rims.

If 2.0 still got issue with kastam, why there's 2.0 test drive units at some SC? Test drive units got registered number plate right?
This is what I dun understand?

ya, i am interested, but havent get my car yet......
maybe you can pm me the details if you dun mind so that i can go myself...

Yes..I had checked in few showrooms unit, all SX comes with 17inch sport rim as spare tyre.
My dad Elantra also same, with the all 5 sport rim tyres as well..

but i'm not sure will the spec change or not, hope this is not change for those units deliver to us.

actually it differs from 1 dealer to another .(or one branch to another)

basically allocated means the chassis is book to your name - in NAZA's system (which can be change)..
I believe branches wanted the owner to place the DP as soon as possible and ready loan approve to make sure the delivery wouldn't be delayed ( but too early isn't good as well), imagine car allocated but loan isn't approve, usually it will be pass to the next waiting person in that branch.

For my case I purchase from Dealer, the dealer quite selamba , no deposit just book require and he manage his delivery sequence (1st come 1st serve lor), so when the car is ready to be deliver he will ask all payment to be prepare 1 week in advance.

your car allocation got nothing to do with Korea stock delivery. All are locally manage means cars is on Malaysia's shore d !

in order to register the car it requires a document call K1 to be release on JPJ system, insurance have to be ready (to get insurance you must have the chassis & engine number- number only given to you when all payment are clear)then only you can proceed with registration

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Added on March 15, 2010, 5:57 pmConfirm sport rims

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Added on March 15, 2010, 5:58 pmtime to have group for PPS @ Singapore

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Added on March 15, 2010, 6:00 pmFor those who are wondering whether you can afford this car anot please proceed to page one there's a link over there link to a car affordability calculator... we are not in the position to judge your financial standing but in general is it 1/3 of your salary ... so new buyer check out the calculator

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Added on March 15, 2010, 6:01 pmPotential owner and Owners do PM me yoh just in case I missed out your post , you know this is the hottest thread around

This post has been edited by titarium: Mar 15 2010, 06:01 PM