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Coffee Lover v.2 Thread, Let's Share!
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I'll upload some content in this first post once i have spare time.
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Hi all, I thinking to get a home use coffee machine and grinder, my budget is around Rm2.5k max for both.
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QUOTE(linkinawe @ Jan 9 2016, 12:48 AM) Hi all, I thinking to get a home use coffee machine and grinder, my budget is around Rm2.5k max for both. U would probably want to raise your budget. A good grinder can easily cost RM2.5k by itself, and almost the same for a machine, maybe a lil more.Can anyone give some suggestion ? |
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QUOTE(max_cjs0101 @ Jan 9 2016, 12:03 AM) I'll upload some content in this first post once i have spare time. V2! Let's keep it going Continued from previous thread here: https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2524627 ChristopherFisher and ChristopherFisher liked this post
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QUOTE(linkinawe @ Jan 9 2016, 12:48 AM) Hi all, I thinking to get a home use coffee machine and grinder, my budget is around Rm2.5k max for both. Maybe say...Can anyone give some suggestion ? Poemia - 800 Lelit - 1200 I don't know latest price...but this a start... Can be cheaper if you go Taobao... This post has been edited by dwRK: Jan 9 2016, 04:27 PM |
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where in JB can get good dark roast beans?
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Saw others mentioning some china brand grinder. Are they any good? Any recommendation.
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lel is starbucks freak consider as coffee kaki
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QUOTE(razorkid @ Jan 10 2016, 10:06 AM) Google reviews of "600N" and balance it against the fact they cost 20% of a European branded grinder. Also, what's your preferred brewing method? If only espresso using unpressurized portafilter, I would guess your needs are pretty high standard; then maybe not good enough. |
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QUOTE(lowkl @ Jan 10 2016, 01:55 PM) Google reviews of "600N" and balance it against the fact they cost 20% of a European branded grinder. Espresso and unpressurised. Trying to get the bare minimum and cheapest for espresso. 20% of 2-3k sounds lovelyAlso, what's your preferred brewing method? If only espresso using unpressurized portafilter, I would guess your needs are pretty high standard; then maybe not good enough. |
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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Jan 10 2016, 11:48 AM) In general most members here don't treat Starbucks as real coffee. They are more like coffee flavoured syrup/sugar drinks company hahaHowever you are most welcomed to stay and read and hopefully we will successfully brain wash you over to the dark side This post has been edited by ymeng85: Jan 10 2016, 04:12 PM |
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What thermometer do you guys use? Can anyone recommend any?
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http://www.baratza.com/choosing-your-grinder/
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QUOTE(razorkid @ Jan 10 2016, 02:01 PM) Espresso and unpressurised. Trying to get the bare minimum and cheapest for espresso. 20% of 2-3k sounds lovely Read up Tikietic, he got the full setup from taobao all welhome brandedhttps://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...entry76824136 For 4500 can get full set http://m.intl.taobao.com/detail/detail.htm...1898.0.0.Q3tflK ![]() Less $$ try http://m.intl.taobao.com/detail/detail.htm....101.196.gCCUZE ![]() This post has been edited by patryn33: Jan 10 2016, 11:02 PM |
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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Jan 10 2016, 10:35 PM) Read up Tikietic, he got the full setup from taobao all welhome branded Welhome/惠家KD-310 is a product rebranded from Sunbean. Is KD310 and Baratza Preciso a good match ? https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...entry76824136 For 4500 can get full set http://m.intl.taobao.com/detail/detail.htm...1898.0.0.Q3tflK ![]() Less $$ try http://m.intl.taobao.com/detail/detail.htm....101.196.gCCUZE ![]() The problem is they cant be found in local. Since they are electronic, if I buy from Taobao, will TAX be imposed. I think postage alone also wont be cheap. And afterward maintenance ? like service, parts change after degeneration? should i add these into consideration ? |
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QUOTE(linkinawe @ Jan 11 2016, 10:32 AM) Welhome/惠家KD-310 is a product rebranded from Sunbean. Is KD310 and Baratza Preciso a good match ? Good match is subjective all I can say it's a good start on a budget The problem is they cant be found in local. Since they are electronic, if I buy from Taobao, will TAX be imposed. I think postage alone also wont be cheap. And afterward maintenance ? like service, parts change after degeneration? should i add these into consideration ? Ask those who have bought on taobao pm the dude ( Tikietic ) who shop online not me. Such machines just need descale no need parts change on a annual basis. May last 5-7 yrs before u need to find something new. Google for review around, I only point you to who bought on taobao and own such machine. I cannot comment on tax and shipping cost etc This post has been edited by patryn33: Jan 11 2016, 01:02 PM |
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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Jan 11 2016, 12:36 PM) Good match is subjective all I can say it's a good start on a budget Just check KD-310 and I think it is out of my budget, Kd210 alone already cost me 2.5K, they will free their ZD-10 coffee grinder, I will use that temporarily before I have enough money to get baratza preciso. Or is there any wpm coffee grinder that is on par with preciso?Ask those who have bought on taobao pm the dude ( Tikietic ) who shop online not me. Such machines just need descale no need parts change on a annual basis. May last 5-7 yrs before u need to find something new. Google for review around, I only point you to who bought on taobao and own such machine. I cannot comment on tax and shipping cost etc baratza preciso also getting from taobao ? This post has been edited by linkinawe: Jan 11 2016, 01:44 PM |
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any zd-15 grinder seller besides dankoff? emailed them to quote the price but not yet reply, quite interested in zd-15 but not considering get from taobao due to exchange rate and shipping lol
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QUOTE(linkinawe @ Jan 11 2016, 01:42 PM) Just check KD-310 and I think it is out of my budget, Kd210 alone already cost me 2.5K, they will free their ZD-10 coffee grinder, I will use that temporarily before I have enough money to get baratza preciso. Or is there any wpm coffee grinder that is on par with preciso? WPM zd-15 zd-16 zd-17 seems get alot of good review for espresso and value for money baratza preciso also getting from taobao ? |
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Looks like Antipodean increased their price, it's now almost RM32 with GST. Time to look for other budget beans for cheapskates like me
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QUOTE(maxguy @ Jan 11 2016, 01:58 PM) thanks for the link, those prices look nice!my chinese is rubbish, it would be difficult for me to navigate taobao and find these kind of stuff any idea how long it takes to reach Malaysia and the shipping cost? won't we get taxed? damnit, might buy some coffee stuff instead of that new pc upgrade I was saving for |
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Peoploids,
Just in case you did not know: Café Malaysia 2016 will present the largest gathering of coffee and tea industry players to showcase equipment, machinery, accessories and various supplies and products for the perfect one-stop platform for industry professionals. Wake up and smell the abundant business opportunities in the growing regional and international counterparts. Event details Venue: MATRADE Exhibition & Convention Centre (MECC), Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Date: 14 - 16 January 2016 |
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QUOTE(lowkl @ Jan 11 2016, 03:50 PM) Peoploids, Traders & Business visitors Just in case you did not know: Café Malaysia 2016 will present the largest gathering of coffee and tea industry players to showcase equipment, machinery, accessories and various supplies and products for the perfect one-stop platform for industry professionals. Wake up and smell the abundant business opportunities in the growing regional and international counterparts. Event details Venue: MATRADE Exhibition & Convention Centre (MECC), Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Date: 14 - 16 January 2016 |
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QUOTE(wadthehellz @ Jan 11 2016, 03:52 PM) ohh yea didn't notice that, thanks! Wow. Then pls give address of this cafe, cos zd16 is better than zd15. |
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QUOTE(stfsoelyn @ Jan 11 2016, 04:08 PM) I asked through FB only the cafe's FB page New Black . Btw, just called dankoff and they carrying zd-15 for RM599 and zd-16 for Rm699 exclude GST. So after gst it's the same price with the cafe i asked. |
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QUOTE(ymeng85 @ Jan 10 2016, 06:37 PM) RM10 thermometer from China gotten off Ebay. A little slow but works well enough for water temps Water. Are you sure those cheap thermometers are accurate? From what i have heard, even the cheap IKEA water thermometer are horribly inaccurate. Btw i'm currently using my meat thermometer that cost around RM80 but i'm afraid of ruining it.Are you using it for water or milk? This post has been edited by CallMeGucci: Jan 11 2016, 08:26 PM |
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QUOTE(linkinawe @ Jan 11 2016, 01:42 PM) Just check KD-310 and I think it is out of my budget, Kd210 alone already cost me 2.5K, they will free their ZD-10 coffee grinder, I will use that temporarily before I have enough money to get baratza preciso. Or is there any wpm coffee grinder that is on par with preciso? Why baratza precisco? Just use it till you have $$ for a better grinderbaratza preciso also getting from taobao ? Get one of these and you don't have to upgrade grinder https://www.chriscoffee.com/MACAP-M4-Espres...er-p/m4c18r.htm Or buy online from below for little more they last forever plus no need to consider upgrade https://www.espressocoffeeshop.com/index.ph...=78_246_271_275 http://www.espressoservices.co.uk/fiorenza...no_grinder.html This post has been edited by patryn33: Jan 12 2016, 11:32 AM |
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anyone tried Seesaw bean from taobao before? was recommended by my friend.
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I can't believe my eyes! http://www.lazada.com.my/breville-bcg820-s...ro-8237553.html RM229 for a BCG820 smart grinder pro, i think missing 1 infront
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QUOTE(wadthehellz @ Jan 11 2016, 10:45 PM) I can't believe my eyes! http://www.lazada.com.my/breville-bcg820-s...ro-8237553.html RM229 for a BCG820 smart grinder pro, i think missing 1 infront Yes!!! Missing 1.Did you go try and buy? |
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QUOTE(wadthehellz @ Jan 11 2016, 11:46 PM) I did it on a Poemia once. It was RM88 on Lazada.Next day they cancelled my order without notice. Called up their service number and they just give me the excuse of "Out of stock, but feel free to buy from another seller if you like" I hope you get it this time though bro |
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QUOTE(wadthehellz @ Jan 11 2016, 05:30 PM) I asked through FB only the cafe's FB page New Black . Btw, just called dankoff and they carrying zd-15 for RM599 and zd-16 for Rm699 exclude GST. So after gst it's the same price with the cafe i asked. Thanks for the info. Will definitely have to consider those two grinders. |
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QUOTE(ymeng85 @ Jan 12 2016, 09:53 AM) I did it on a Poemia once. It was RM88 on Lazada. wah like that really less chance dy hahah. thanks thanksNext day they cancelled my order without notice. Called up their service number and they just give me the excuse of "Out of stock, but feel free to buy from another seller if you like" I hope you get it this time though bro QUOTE(stfsoelyn @ Jan 12 2016, 11:03 AM) Sure sure, but the cafe one told me the price will increase after cny |
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Hi everybody, I am new here. I use Nespresso and its pods.
Recently bought another machine to put in the office. Bought in London and brought it back home to Singapore. The flagship store in London is very cool. Got this cute machine, and my kids had a lot of fun making the Nespresso machines spin! This post has been edited by guitar singapore travels: Jan 14 2016, 05:24 PM |
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any good coffee grinder for intro? budget not more than 2.5k
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Hi fellow coffee lovers,
Been struggling with GERD for almost 3 years now. Wife and doc advice to stop coffee completely for now until I fully recover. Had some discussion with wife, and she think its best I let it go completely. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « I've posted the WTS at garage: WTS: Breville Espresso Set If you are interested, drop me a PM. Cheers. This post has been edited by Castreal: Jan 16 2016, 01:38 AM |
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QUOTE(Castreal @ Jan 16 2016, 01:35 AM) Hi fellow coffee lovers, Sad to hear that bro, from one coffee lover to another. Hope your machines find themselves a good owner. I see a very well maintained setup. Good luck with the sales as well as your healthBeen struggling with GERD for almost 3 years now. Wife and doc advice to stop coffee completely for now until I fully recover. Had some discussion with wife, and she think its best I let it go completely. |
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Can anyone advise me where can I get a weighing scale with no auto off feature at reasonable price?
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Hey i've recently wanted to try some Ethiopian Yirgacheffe beans. Anybody can recommend me a good local roaster of this variety?
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QUOTE(wanglc @ Jan 19 2016, 12:59 AM) Check-out Nescafe red cup coffee machine, it is suitable for home and small office and best lagi no need to buy capsule. A spoon can do the job why a machine to make instant coffee?![]() Nescafe Red Cup Coffee Machine |
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No good news from lazada, my order just got cancelled due to no response from merchant =(
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Coffee beans are exempted from GST right?
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QUOTE(max_cjs0101 @ Jan 19 2016, 10:36 AM) wow that's long. I bought 500g before and finish it around a month and the aroma of the beans not very strong anymore after 2-3 weeks maybe the way I store not very good |
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QUOTE(wanglc @ Jan 19 2016, 01:08 PM) ---------------------- You have only one point which is water close to boiling temperature is most suited for coffee and i believe most if not all the members in here knows it already.Yes you are right... Most people don't do this, but simply by boiling freshly drawn water each time you want to make coffee makes a huge difference to the taste. This machine can heat up the water from room temperature to the right temperature for a cup of coffee in 40sec. The best coffee taste can be had when you use water that has not quite reached boiling point. Learn to enjoy a cup of instant coffee and enjoy your daily lifestyle. I think what we want to know is what makes the machine so special other than reheating the water just for instant coffee? |
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QUOTE(max_cjs0101 @ Jan 19 2016, 01:16 PM) You have only one point which is water close to boiling temperature is most suited for coffee and i believe most if not all the members in here knows it already. Spot on bro. Along the same lines, a temp controlled kettle like the bonavita/buono is even better cos you could do pourovers too after a whileI think what we want to know is what makes the machine so special other than reheating the water just for instant coffee? |
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been using delonghi ec155 with krups gvx2 for almost 2 years. Thinking to upgrade for both of it and i need some advice from sifu here. 😊😊😊 |
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QUOTE(wanglc @ Jan 19 2016, 01:08 PM) ---------------------- not a commercial unit why the focus on 40secs? the instant factor? Yes you are right... Most people don't do this, but simply by boiling freshly drawn water each time you want to make coffee makes a huge difference to the taste. This machine can heat up the water from room temperature to the right temperature for a cup of coffee in 40sec. The best coffee taste can be had when you use water that has not quite reached boiling point. Learn to enjoy a cup of instant coffee and enjoy your daily lifestyle. best tasting coffee isn't instant. for 448RM entry level nespresso does the job better, pods also better quality than instant as a premium. no offense get a moka pot or pour over cheaper and better tasting coffee. http://www.graciasonlinestore.com/coffee-m...ct-1345054.html ![]() |
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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Jan 20 2016, 03:03 AM) not a commercial unit why the focus on 40secs? the instant factor? Quite sure he/she is seller promoting lah... best tasting coffee isn't instant. for 448RM entry level nespresso does the job better, pods also better quality than instant as a premium. no offense get a moka pot or pour over cheaper and better tasting coffee. http://www.graciasonlinestore.com/coffee-m...ct-1345054.html ![]() |
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QUOTE(PegasuS87 @ Jan 20 2016, 02:26 AM) Hi everyone, im new here been using delonghi ec155 with krups gvx2 for almost 2 years. Thinking to upgrade for both of it and i need some advice from sifu here. 😊😊😊 QUOTE(ymeng85 @ Jan 20 2016, 09:54 AM) budget budget? |
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Just got a batch of beans from LeBistro Coffee
According to their website, "As its name implies, LeBistro Freshly Roasted Beans are only roasted upon order and customers typically receive the coffee within 3 days after roasting. The coffee beans are professionally roasted in micro batches using the Diedrich Roaster imported from the United States, with the roasting time and temperature carefully adjusted for each batch to create a consistently perfect roast. After roasting, the beans are packed in one way valve bags and immediately shipped to the customers." I placed my order on 11 January, and according to the label, they really did roast it on order and shipped it the next day!! However, they send via regular POS Malaysia package mail, so it took 4 days to arrive.... still crazy fresh!! Pulled 3 shots yesterday.... very very pleasant. I'm not a super sophisticated coffee geek, so can't analyse the taste, but everyone in my home appreciates it. Crema on the Poemia was also very nice. And the kicker? Only RM36 for 500gm ... no delivery charges for even a single bag order! This post has been edited by lowkl: Jan 20 2016, 11:17 AM |
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How i wish i could get an espresso but due to budget and space constraint, i can't.
Have to enjoy my French Press & Moka Pot for now. Heck, even in office i cant make coffee using fresh milk and have to resort using condensed milk because there's no fridge and the pantry's super far. |
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QUOTE(PegasuS87 @ Jan 20 2016, 02:27 PM) yup espresso. i love latte I like the way you think! Go for itupgrade to something like eureka mignon and ns oscar. around that budget. is that good? But since you are ready to splurge on a good grinder, the latest comparison by socraticcoffee is showing that the SmartGrinder is a serious performer even when placed next to the coveted Malkhonig EK43 ![]() This is a comparison done on espresso level grind settings. Just look at that particle distribution curve for uniformality This post has been edited by ymeng85: Jan 20 2016, 03:41 PM |
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QUOTE(ymeng85 @ Jan 20 2016, 03:17 PM) I like the way you think! Go for it sry i dont really understand the graph, it shows the smart grinder was the best?But since you are ready to splurge on a good grinder, the latest comparison by socraticcoffee is showing that the SmartGrinder is a serious performer even when placed next to the coveted Malkhonig EK43 ![]() This is a comparison done on espresso level grind settings. Just look at that particle distribution curve for uniformality is it durable compare with mechanical machine? |
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QUOTE(PegasuS87 @ Jan 20 2016, 03:51 PM) sry i dont really understand the graph, it shows the smart grinder was the best? It's more on consistency of grind. The graph can be a good indication of uniformity but we don't know how it will perform across different grind settingsis it durable compare with mechanical machine? As for durability, commercial grinders would probably outlast it since there's still plastic parts within the grinder. But the cost is 10x difference You are looking at home use or cafe? |
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QUOTE(ymeng85 @ Jan 20 2016, 03:59 PM) It's more on consistency of grind. The graph can be a good indication of uniformity but we don't know how it will perform across different grind settings home use ....hek hek hek ~As for durability, commercial grinders would probably outlast it since there's still plastic parts within the grinder. But the cost is 10x difference You are looking at home use or cafe? i was hoping that this upgrade would last for at least 3 to 5years....so durability is my main concern is it possible for this price range? |
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QUOTE(PegasuS87 @ Jan 20 2016, 02:27 PM) yup espresso. i love latte NS recently launched the NS Oscar II. Do check it out, its really quite an update from the old Oscar.upgrade to something like eureka mignon and ns oscar. around that budget. is that good? Dankoff should be carrying them, but I think it only starts selling in Europe end of Jan 2016, so not sure when it will reach our shores. As for Breville Smart Grinder, I've been using the older version BCG800, seems to be quite consistent and easy to use. This post has been edited by Castreal: Jan 20 2016, 04:35 PM |
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QUOTE(max_cjs0101 @ Jan 20 2016, 03:15 PM) How i wish i could get an espresso but due to budget and space constraint, i can't. You MUST try Aeropress.... it is still my favourite method anywhere outside home. Super convenient, makes really really good coffee, easy to clean up, very forgiving in terms of technique, one of the cheapest .... At my wife's office, I can even brew at her cubicle (cleanup at the pantry of course); just that the two minutes on the Hario Skerton attracts some attention! That, and the wonderful aroma..... !!Have to enjoy my French Press & Moka Pot for now. Heck, even in office i cant make coffee using fresh milk and have to resort using condensed milk because there's no fridge and the pantry's super far. For milk, try the packet UHT milk... full cream seems better than the "fresh" type, IMHO. No need to refrigerate, the small packet makes about 2 decent lattes. |
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QUOTE(lowkl @ Jan 20 2016, 05:26 PM) You MUST try Aeropress.... it is still my favourite method anywhere outside home. Super convenient, makes really really good coffee, easy to clean up, very forgiving in terms of technique, one of the cheapest .... At my wife's office, I can even brew at her cubicle (cleanup at the pantry of course); just that the two minutes on the Hario Skerton attracts some attention! That, and the wonderful aroma..... !! I did consider an Aeropress before but i like my coffee with some "dirt" and residue in it. I feel im getting a bolder taste (without filter medium) and that's why i opted for both the Moka Pot and French Press.For milk, try the packet UHT milk... full cream seems better than the "fresh" type, IMHO. No need to refrigerate, the small packet makes about 2 decent lattes. |
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QUOTE(max_cjs0101 @ Jan 20 2016, 05:49 PM) I did consider an Aeropress before but i like my coffee with some "dirt" and residue in it. I feel im getting a bolder taste (without filter medium) and that's why i opted for both the Moka Pot and French Press. Aeropress with a metal filter can also get you that |
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QUOTE(Castreal @ Jan 20 2016, 04:31 PM) NS recently launched the NS Oscar II. Do check it out, its really quite an update from the old Oscar. beautiful machine !!! Dankoff should be carrying them, but I think it only starts selling in Europe end of Jan 2016, so not sure when it will reach our shores. As for Breville Smart Grinder, I've been using the older version BCG800, seems to be quite consistent and easy to use. |
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QUOTE(Castreal @ Jan 20 2016, 07:14 PM) Exactly! When it launched in Italy, I immediately messaged Dankoff when will it be available... but he has no firm dates then. Now really looks like stripped down Musica inside and out It's a complete changeover... talking bout VW Beetle > Chevrolet Camaro level Bumblebee! Well...outside at least...dunno what's been done inside. This post has been edited by dwRK: Jan 20 2016, 09:44 PM |
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Since I have seen so many members here talking about freshness of the roasted beans, how about doing home roasting? Wondering anyone here has ventured into roasting green beans? Like using Gene Cafe roaster or other brand? Or even using a pop corn maker to roast like I saw on YouTube. Btw, where to buy green beans? |
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I like coffee that sell in ordinary kopitiam. But 1 particular shop that sell kopi ais, they blend it after mixing it with coffee and susu pekat. It makes the coffee looks nice as it have extra bubble on top.
On side note, if anyone happen to been to a small place in called Selama, Kedah/Perak. There is a shop call selama cafe that have a good kopi ais. Second generation of kopi bancuh |
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QUOTE(Castreal @ Jan 20 2016, 07:14 PM) Exactly! When it launched in Italy, I immediately messaged Dankoff when will it be available... but he has no firm dates then. u are interested on it as well..hohoIt's a complete changeover... talking bout VW Beetle > Chevrolet Camaro level Bumblebee! what machine u using now ? This post has been edited by PegasuS87: Jan 20 2016, 10:36 PM |
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QUOTE(sabahan62 @ Jan 20 2016, 08:47 PM) Hi, Finally! Someone interested in the same thing, and asking the same question! Since I have seen so many members here talking about freshness of the roasted beans, how about doing home roasting? Wondering anyone here has ventured into roasting green beans? Like using Gene Cafe roaster or other brand? Or even using a pop corn maker to roast like I saw on YouTube. Btw, where to buy green beans? I've been interested in trying out some home roasting as well; not quite using a popcorn maker but to use one of those halogen turbo ovens sitting on a simple motorised stirrer. But the big problem seems to be getting the green beans! It seems such raw coffee beans can only be imported into Malaysia with an AP (another crony enriching mechanism) so getting them direct from Sweet Maria's is out. I have found a couple of importers but they all do only wholesale... so unless I commit to at least many kilos of beans they are not interested. I have raised this topic on this forum before, with zero responses. Perhaps we can raise some interest and if we find a few more like-minded individuals we can buy a sack of beams to experiment.... |
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QUOTE(sabahan62 @ Jan 20 2016, 08:47 PM) Hi, coffee needs to degas for few days to achieve its peak after roasting.Since I have seen so many members here talking about freshness of the roasted beans, how about doing home roasting? Wondering anyone here has ventured into roasting green beans? Like using Gene Cafe roaster or other brand? Or even using a pop corn maker to roast like I saw on YouTube. Btw, where to buy green beans? store bought roasted on 21st Jan 2016 and home roasted on same day not going to make yours any fresher. Home roasting you can nail down the time its roasted but I yet to come across studies that 1hr diff makes great diff. home roasting makes sense if one cannot get access to "fresh" beans by that I mean beans that have degassed for over few days. many tried to consume their beans with 14-15 days after their roast date. many times home roasters is doing it out of passion more so than freshness of beans. |
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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Jan 21 2016, 02:54 AM) coffee needs to degas for few days to achieve its peak after roasting. You forget two other factors.... control & cost.store bought roasted on 21st Jan 2016 and home roasted on same day not going to make yours any fresher. Home roasting you can nail down the time its roasted but I yet to come across studies that 1hr diff makes great diff. home roasting makes sense if one cannot get access to "fresh" beans by that I mean beans that have degassed for over few days. many tried to consume their beans with 14-15 days after their roast date. many times home roasters is doing it out of passion more so than freshness of beans. If you control the roast, you can try out different roast profiles using the same beans. It would be nice/interesting to try out different profiles to see what suits your personal preference instead of the roasters. The other thing you can control is the blend since most green beans are effectively single origin when purchased. The other factor is the cost. Getting consistently freshly roasted beans in turn mean two things: premium services and small quantities. Premium services because not all coffee beans sources cater for aficionados ; eg all regular store-bought beans from supermarkets don't have roasted - on dates. Small quantities because unless you are a heavy consistent coffee drinker (or pull shots for more than one person like I do) it is difficult to finish a large bag before the tail end gets stale. Therefore, small bags. Small, frequent and fast supply means high transport costs. Both these factors mean substantially higher prices. Roasting at home means you can guarantee freshness by roasting exactly what you consume, exactly when you want/need it, exactly how you like it. You buy green beans in bulk (by the kilo) as they can keep easily for 6 months to a year without significant degradation. You aren't paying some courier company RM 6 every 2 weeks to move a paltry 125gm or 250gm bag a few km, or the parking fees/petrol/car maintenance costs incurred when you drive to the few stores that stock beans with Roast by dates. Thus ends my geek rant.... |
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How do you guys plan to roast the beans? I know of heating them until they caramelize till they pop in the frying pan but this will cause inconsistent color.
Btw, i just got my Brazilian coffee and im loving it! |
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QUOTE(sabahan62 @ Jan 20 2016, 08:47 PM) Hi, Wow, lots of interested roasters. Good to see the direction that Malaysians are heading to in specialty coffeeSince I have seen so many members here talking about freshness of the roasted beans, how about doing home roasting? Wondering anyone here has ventured into roasting green beans? Like using Gene Cafe roaster or other brand? Or even using a pop corn maker to roast like I saw on YouTube. Btw, where to buy green beans? I'm actually a home roaster that started with a popcorn popper, moved to a Gene Cafe and now have a proper commercial drum roaster on the way. Overall I've been roasting for almost 2 years now. I have a thread here on Lowyat offering roast on demand beans to help sustain my hobby/learning/potential career change Anyways, Gene Cafe is a decent home roaster to start with but the main heartburn is the lack of thermal logging to allow you to properly profile your roasts. This influences consistency and makes it more trial/error to recover a bad roast (underdevelopment, overroasting). However, it's not too costly as a start on your journey to learn about real coffee roasting As for green beans, there's no actual way around things. AP is the ugly monster that continues to want to block your way. Without one, I mostly get from eBay and also SweetMarias when friends or family travel but it's not getting very economical now with the USD rate as well as the measly quantities you can bring in (too much and customs is going to get alerted) QUOTE(lowkl @ Jan 20 2016, 11:09 PM) Finally! Someone interested in the same thing, and asking the same question! If you have found a local importer willing to sell in bulk I don't mind sharingI've been interested in trying out some home roasting as well; not quite using a popcorn maker but to use one of those halogen turbo ovens sitting on a simple motorised stirrer. But the big problem seems to be getting the green beans! It seems such raw coffee beans can only be imported into Malaysia with an AP (another crony enriching mechanism) so getting them direct from Sweet Maria's is out. I have found a couple of importers but they all do only wholesale... so unless I commit to at least many kilos of beans they are not interested. I have raised this topic on this forum before, with zero responses. Perhaps we can raise some interest and if we find a few more like-minded individuals we can buy a sack of beams to experiment.... Halogen turbo ovens may work well but make sure you can hit 250C and you might want to figure out how much thermal energy is available - that influences what is the quantity you can roast per batch QUOTE(max_cjs0101 @ Jan 21 2016, 09:00 AM) How do you guys plan to roast the beans? I know of heating them until they caramelize till they pop in the frying pan but this will cause inconsistent color. The pan method is pure conduction heat. In this case, lots of agitation is require to make sure there's no burnt spots. Also, you may risk hitting first crack fast and the outer layer roasting too quickly compared to the inside. This can cause very bad under-development and gives you a grassy/herby taste to your roast. Development is very important for sweetness especially for espressosBtw, i just got my Brazilian coffee and im loving it! |
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QUOTE(lowkl @ Jan 21 2016, 05:20 AM) You forget two other factors.... control & cost. Too bad I have access to place where I can blend my own beans (over 30 kinds of greens) and control roast temp to try out different profile. Then again quality of beans may not be as good as those single origin sourced by say Intelligensia. Transport cost not much as its like 5 min drive away or 20 min walk.If you control the roast, you can try out different roast profiles using the same beans. It would be nice/interesting to try out different profiles to see what suits your personal preference instead of the roasters. The other thing you can control is the blend since most green beans are effectively single origin when purchased. The other factor is the cost. Getting consistently freshly roasted beans in turn mean two things: premium services and small quantities. Premium services because not all coffee beans sources cater for aficionados ; eg all regular store-bought beans from supermarkets don't have roasted - on dates. Small quantities because unless you are a heavy consistent coffee drinker (or pull shots for more than one person like I do) it is difficult to finish a large bag before the tail end gets stale. Therefore, small bags. Small, frequent and fast supply means high transport costs. Both these factors mean substantially higher prices. Roasting at home means you can guarantee freshness by roasting exactly what you consume, exactly when you want/need it, exactly how you like it. You buy green beans in bulk (by the kilo) as they can keep easily for 6 months to a year without significant degradation. You aren't paying some courier company RM 6 every 2 weeks to move a paltry 125gm or 250gm bag a few km, or the parking fees/petrol/car maintenance costs incurred when you drive to the few stores that stock beans with Roast by dates. Thus ends my geek rant.... Even I don't do so I can get shipment in free of charge thanx to the country I am in, roast dates on those just under 3 days usually. Hard to control even if i do roasting, new job last min travel plan screw up consumption rate. If one can discern the taste between 7 day old vs 4 day old great, otherwise it's more psychological. There are pros but what you stated seems like a stretch. This post has been edited by patryn33: Jan 21 2016, 09:50 AM |
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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Jan 21 2016, 09:46 AM) Too bad I have access to place where I can blend my own beans (over 30 kinds of greens) and control roast temp to try out different profile. Then again quality of beans may not be as good as those single origin sourced by say Intelligensia. show off! Even I don't do so I can get shipment in free of charge thanx to the country I am in. Hard to control even if i do roasting, new job last min travel plan screw up consumption rate. If one can discern the taste between 7 day old vs 4 day old great, otherwise it's more psychological. There are pros but what you stated seems like a stretch. |
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please recommend me a good single origin coffee. Thanks
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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Jan 21 2016, 09:46 AM) Too bad I have access to place where I can blend my own beans (over 30 kinds of greens) and control roast temp to try out different profile. Then again quality of beans may not be as good as those single origin sourced by say Intelligensia. Transport cost not much as its like 5 min drive away or 20 min walk. Not "too bad" but "d*mn lucky". You must admit your circumstances do not represent the vast majority of us coffee geeks. If getting good roasted coffee was so easy I doubt I would consider home roasting (.... well, maybe still). Even I don't do so I can get shipment in free of charge thanx to the country I am in, roast dates on those just under 3 days usually. Hard to control even if i do roasting, new job last min travel plan screw up consumption rate. If one can discern the taste between 7 day old vs 4 day old great, otherwise it's more psychological. There are pros but what you stated seems like a stretch. Seems this discussion has brought out someone who has begun this journey a while ago. That's a huge plus..... |
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guys, anyone using the breville bes810 & breville grinder (I forgot its name)
used to drink dripped coffee but would like to try learning espresso stuff but don't have much money to spend. I know good grinder cost much & I don't wanna risk myself buying overseas as I am really poor in machine... malas fix sendiri if got problem aske in Harvey Norman,,, can get both around 3k if bundle... so curios to try now but wonder the quality Besides, is 1 year warranty enough for espresso machine? There is an option for EW too This post has been edited by Lotus1109: Jan 21 2016, 11:45 AM |
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QUOTE(PegasuS87 @ Jan 20 2016, 10:32 PM) Was interested back when it was launched... Am using Breville now, but have to temporarily give up coffee, posted my setup here for sale: WTS Breville Espresso Set Perhaps when my condition gets better, hopefully within a year's time, I can convince my wife on the OscarII. That said, still having doubts selling off my Breville. I've done some survey in my neighbourhood forum, seems like quite a number of people interested on "take-away"/ Grab and Go Espresso based drinks... could turn it into small business instead of getting rid of the machine cause I can't drink. |
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QUOTE(Castreal @ Jan 21 2016, 12:14 PM) Was interested back when it was launched... Good idea. Some popup markets would be good places to setup tooAm using Breville now, but have to temporarily give up coffee, posted my setup here for sale: WTS Breville Espresso Set Perhaps when my condition gets better, hopefully within a year's time, I can convince my wife on the OscarII. That said, still having doubts selling off my Breville. I've done some survey in my neighbourhood forum, seems like quite a number of people interested on "take-away"/ Grab and Go Espresso based drinks... could turn it into small business instead of getting rid of the machine cause I can't drink. Or even a coffee truck! |
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Hello Guys, I am new here, never know lowyat forum have such an active coffee thread. Any recommendation low budget decent espresso machine + electric grinder?
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QUOTE(user5092 @ Jan 21 2016, 04:25 PM) Hello Guys, I am new here, never know lowyat forum have such an active coffee thread. Any recommendation low budget decent espresso machine + electric grinder? Try the version 1 thread, buy on taobao get Chinese brand or buy used here.Total budget around 4k. Thanks. I repost Tikietic stuff here, he went Chinese route https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3830783 This post has been edited by patryn33: Jan 21 2016, 09:24 PM |
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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Jan 21 2016, 09:19 PM) Try the version 1 thread, buy on taobao get Chinese brand or buy used here. I know China people like to use Milesto M2, so is it same here?I repost Tikietic stuff here, he went Chinese route https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3830783 |
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QUOTE(user5092 @ Jan 21 2016, 04:25 PM) Hello Guys, I am new here, never know lowyat forum have such an active coffee thread. Any recommendation low budget decent espresso machine + electric grinder? Simonelli Oscar plus ZD 16. This is my current setup. Im using it for past 9 months & they are still good for my every morning latte.Total budget around 4k. Thanks. |
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QUOTE(luvox @ Jan 22 2016, 09:56 AM) Simonelli Oscar plus ZD 16. This is my current setup. Im using it for past 9 months & they are still good for my every morning latte. Getting my own Oscar sooooon....can't wait!Have you checked your pressure before? Is it @ 15bars and did you do any OPV mods to bring down to 9bars? |
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QUOTE(ymeng85 @ Jan 22 2016, 11:20 AM) Getting my own Oscar sooooon....can't wait! Oscar II? or the classic Oscar? Have you checked your pressure before? Is it @ 15bars and did you do any OPV mods to bring down to 9bars? Was really close to buying the classic Oscar, just that the ABS Bodywork seemed too plasticky for me, not shiny enough |
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QUOTE(user5092 @ Jan 22 2016, 12:06 PM) Oscar i bought from lighthouse coffee near sg pinang, penang. Im staying in penang. Cost rm 3.6k b4 gst with free gift, pitcher, thermometer, tamper, 2 espresso cups, knock box. ZD-16 i bought from taobao, small box sea freight, less than rm500 if not mistake. |
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QUOTE(luvox @ Jan 22 2016, 12:16 PM) Oscar i bought from lighthouse coffee near sg pinang, penang. Im staying in penang. Cost rm 3.6k b4 gst with free gift, pitcher, thermometer, tamper, 2 espresso cups, knock box. ZD-16 i bought from taobao, small box sea freight, less than rm500 if not mistake. Can you share how you buy things on Taobao? Normally I am asking "middle man" buy for me, but they charge like 0.8 * taobao selling price in RMB + around RM 15/kg for sea freight, is it what it suppose to be?This post has been edited by user5092: Jan 22 2016, 12:23 PM |
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QUOTE(luvox @ Jan 22 2016, 12:16 PM) Oscar i bought from lighthouse coffee near sg pinang, penang. Im staying in penang. Cost rm 3.6k b4 gst with free gift, pitcher, thermometer, tamper, 2 espresso cups, knock box. ZD-16 i bought from taobao, small box sea freight, less than rm500 if not mistake. your ZD-16 retention will serious or not? like the ground stucked at the hole in the machine. I need to slap my ZD-15 many times then only the stucked ground will drop out from the output hole |
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QUOTE(user5092 @ Jan 22 2016, 12:23 PM) Can you share how you buy things on Taobao? Normally I am asking "middle man" buy for me, but they charge like 0.8 * taobao selling price in RMB + around RM 15/kg for sea freight, is it what it suppose to be? I often buy things from taobao, use bank transfer to pay directly when checkout from taobao, use shipping agent like MYPOSTONLINE and ship the things i buy to their warehouse then use parcel forward to Malaysia also around RM15/kg for air freight. Can save alot from middle man |
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QUOTE(luvox @ Jan 22 2016, 12:16 PM) Oscar i bought from lighthouse coffee near sg pinang, penang. Im staying in penang. Cost rm 3.6k b4 gst with free gift, pitcher, thermometer, tamper, 2 espresso cups, knock box. ZD-16 i bought from taobao, small box sea freight, less than rm500 if not mistake. halo was plan to get a oscar, but i was told that oscar II coming soon . seems like have to wait other than lighthouse ,anywhere at penang can get coffee equipment? so far i know is only maccalum, and they quote me eureka mignon rm1650 and wpm zd-17 rm1020. totally no idea that was a good price or not due to no place else i can compare with. |
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QUOTE(Castreal @ Jan 21 2016, 12:14 PM) Was interested back when it was launched... breville machine really well designed Am using Breville now, but have to temporarily give up coffee, posted my setup here for sale: WTS Breville Espresso Set Perhaps when my condition gets better, hopefully within a year's time, I can convince my wife on the OscarII. That said, still having doubts selling off my Breville. I've done some survey in my neighbourhood forum, seems like quite a number of people interested on "take-away"/ Grab and Go Espresso based drinks... could turn it into small business instead of getting rid of the machine cause I can't drink. |
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QUOTE(PegasuS87 @ Jan 22 2016, 05:18 PM) halo Yup, limited place for equipment here. Have u tried lighthouse? I plan to get compak grinder from overseas during next holidays traveling.was plan to get a oscar, but i was told that oscar II coming soon . seems like have to wait other than lighthouse ,anywhere at penang can get coffee equipment? so far i know is only maccalum, and they quote me eureka mignon rm1650 and wpm zd-17 rm1020. totally no idea that was a good price or not due to no place else i can compare with. If budget is not issue, then u can wait for oscar II. It looks expensive This post has been edited by luvox: Jan 22 2016, 05:29 PM |
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QUOTE(wadthehellz @ Jan 22 2016, 12:42 PM) your ZD-16 retention will serious or not? like the ground stucked at the hole in the machine. I need to slap my ZD-15 many times then only the stucked ground will drop out from the output hole I dint go to check how much retention. It wont clog the out flow even after 1-2kg beans volume load |
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QUOTE(luvox @ Jan 22 2016, 05:35 PM) ahh i see, mine also wont clog just after grind I slap the machine still will have alot of ground drop out from the hole and I went to dismantle it fuhhh the ground stuck in there quite a lot |
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QUOTE(luvox @ Jan 22 2016, 05:28 PM) Yup, limited place for equipment here. Have u tried lighthouse? I plan to get compak grinder from overseas during next holidays traveling. Not yet . Where it locate?If budget is not issue, then u can wait for oscar II. It looks expensive Yeah it does. But have to wait for oscarII anyway, mayb ada discount for old 1? Or mayb it says "im looks expensive, but im not actually" p/s : budget is big issue for me. This post has been edited by PegasuS87: Jan 22 2016, 07:06 PM |
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QUOTE(PegasuS87 @ Jan 22 2016, 07:04 PM) Not yet . Where it locate? From what I see in Elektros Italian Website, the price increment seems to be small Yeah it does. But have to wait for oscarII anyway, mayb ada discount for old 1? Or mayb it says "im looks expensive, but im not actually" p/s : budget is big issue for me. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « |
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QUOTE(Castreal @ Jan 22 2016, 07:12 PM) From what I see in Elektros Italian Website, the price increment seems to be small wow... » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « And it stated comes with anti vacuum valve, dont know whether can mod opv like previous version or not. |
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QUOTE(PegasuS87 @ Jan 23 2016, 07:29 PM) wow... The price gap here is wider. Need to add shipping cost to really know. Some place make up the numbers with shipping and handling And it stated comes with anti vacuum valve, dont know whether can mod opv like previous version or not. https://www.coffeeitalia.co.uk/products.php?cat=115 Interestingly that Italian 1st priced at eur$525 now up eur$100. Not release yet prices estimate only?? http://www.home-barista.com/advice/why-no-...-t39255-10.html This post has been edited by patryn33: Jan 23 2016, 11:58 PM |
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QUOTE(PegasuS87 @ Jan 23 2016, 07:29 PM) wow... Isn't the antivac more of a convenience feature rather than performance? It's so that you can turn on the machine and walk away versus having to purge the steam to get the boiler to actual real brew temp?And it stated comes with anti vacuum valve, dont know whether can mod opv like previous version or not. |
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QUOTE(ymeng85 @ Jan 24 2016, 12:10 AM) Isn't the antivac more of a convenience feature rather than performance? It's so that you can turn on the machine and walk away versus having to purge the steam to get the boiler to actual real brew temp? i think so. i never own a hx machine. from what peoples said, seems like yes. |
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QUOTE(ymeng85 @ Jan 24 2016, 12:10 AM) Isn't the antivac more of a convenience feature rather than performance? It's so that you can turn on the machine and walk away versus having to purge the steam to get the boiler to actual real brew temp? The new oscar ii looks good from picture. Why not u wait for it? Can plan your holidays, mayb australia or europe & bring it in yourself. Haha |
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QUOTE(luvox @ Jan 24 2016, 04:28 PM) The new oscar ii looks good from picture. Why not u wait for it? Can plan your holidays, mayb australia or europe & bring it in yourself. Haha I jumped on the second hand one on Mudah recently. Nice guy the seller so I'm pretty much done hahaAnyhow, hand carry a espresso machine? That would be fun haha |
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Guys, I'm practicing my latte are. Can't seem to froth the milk consistently. Anyway here's a pic of my last attempt.
I'm also not sure the brew time should be after first drip or the moment u press the start button(inclusive of pre infusion time) This shot was made with 10s pre infusion and 30s brew/extraction time. Any thoughts? Btw this is using a breville machine. This post has been edited by Bigboyz: Jan 25 2016, 01:25 PM Attached thumbnail(s) |
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QUOTE(Bigboyz @ Jan 25 2016, 01:23 PM) Guys, I'm practicing my latte are. Can't seem to froth the milk consistently. Anyway here's a pic of my last attempt. The steam wand enuf power? Im not familiar with breville. Mayb need times to practise. Watch more youtube.I'm also not sure the brew time should be after first drip or the moment u press the start button(inclusive of pre infusion time) This shot was made with 10s pre infusion and 30s brew/extraction time. Any thoughts? Btw this is using a breville machine. This post has been edited by luvox: Jan 25 2016, 01:28 PM |
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QUOTE(Bigboyz @ Jan 25 2016, 01:23 PM) Guys, I'm practicing my latte are. Can't seem to froth the milk consistently. Anyway here's a pic of my last attempt. Extraction time is from the moment the water hits the coffee. I would say it looks good overall just need some work on the pourI'm also not sure the brew time should be after first drip or the moment u press the start button(inclusive of pre infusion time) This shot was made with 10s pre infusion and 30s brew/extraction time. Any thoughts? Btw this is using a breville machine. Foam consistency will also affect your latte art. Even if you pour the same way but the thickness of the milk if not the same will give u bad results too |
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QUOTE(ymeng85 @ Jan 25 2016, 01:28 PM) Extraction time is from the moment the water hits the coffee. I would say it looks good overall just need some work on the pour Then I over extracted lio. Pre infusion 10s. Extraction 30s total 40s. But the coffee didn't taste horrible. Maybe I'm biased. Lol.Foam consistency will also affect your latte art. Even if you pour the same way but the thickness of the milk if not the same will give u bad results too |
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QUOTE(Bigboyz @ Jan 25 2016, 02:04 PM) Then I over extracted lio. Pre infusion 10s. Extraction 30s total 40s. But the coffee didn't taste horrible. Maybe I'm biased. Lol. What's your dosing parameters? single/double?If you're doing a single shot latte, usually hard to tell if there's any extraction problems. A double shot latte (at least) or straight espresso is best to check on result |
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QUOTE(ymeng85 @ Jan 25 2016, 03:57 PM) What's your dosing parameters? single/double? I'm using double around 20grams. I normally drink latte probably more forgiving too.If you're doing a single shot latte, usually hard to tell if there's any extraction problems. A double shot latte (at least) or straight espresso is best to check on result |
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Guys, any idea where can I get those fancy shot glass with measurement?
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QUOTE(Bigboyz @ Jan 25 2016, 07:31 PM) You could try weight measuring of shots instead of volumetric. Also, since the thickness of crema depends on the age of the bean, it can sometimes throw you offI find a 16g coffee/32g espresso much more balanced and sweet than a 16g coffee/60ml output (i could tweak to pull 55ml but try doing that manually by eye |
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QUOTE(ymeng85 @ Jan 26 2016, 11:33 AM) You could try weight measuring of shots instead of volumetric. Also, since the thickness of crema depends on the age of the bean, it can sometimes throw you off Weight will be precise I guess. But I prefer measuring cup as I can see the volume real time...I would imagine it'll be bitter16g coffee/32g espresso. Gotta try that.I find a 16g coffee/32g espresso much more balanced and sweet than a 16g coffee/60ml output (i could tweak to pull 55ml but try doing that manually by eye |
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QUOTE(Bigboyz @ Jan 25 2016, 07:31 PM) I use a lab glass beaker .... 150ml. Cheap (RM12 each plus delivery charges), strong (heat-resistant borosilicate glass) accurate measurements (if you are targetting where the marks lie), and so very cool. The only thing about the 150ml is that it is slightly too tall for the Poemia, so have to tilt it slightly when putting in under the portafilter... should have gone for the 100ml. |
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QUOTE(lowkl @ Jan 26 2016, 04:25 PM) I use a lab glass beaker .... 150ml. Cheap (RM12 each plus delivery charges), strong (heat-resistant borosilicate glass) accurate measurements (if you are targetting where the marks lie), and so very cool. The only thing about the 150ml is that it is slightly too tall for the Poemia, so have to tilt it slightly when putting in under the portafilter... should have gone for the 100ml. Yeah man that's a great idea! 👍👍Why didn't I think of that. |
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QUOTE(max_cjs0101 @ Jan 26 2016, 05:15 PM) Where can i get the French Press filter mesh? I only want the mesh and the hardware shops which i asked dont have it. Please share the brand of French Press so that we will *NOT* get it!Mine's starting to rust because i didnt wipe it dry. I thought all should be pretty much rust-proof; I think Bodum is, at any rate..... |
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QUOTE(stfsoelyn @ Jan 26 2016, 11:21 AM) Couple of people are selling on Lelong, but the ones I got from them have mostly U meant such? How inaccurate? Off by 1ml or 10ml?INACCURATE measurements! It may or may not matter to you... http://m.aliexpress.com/item/32281291281.html http://m.aliexpress.com/item/32341261060.html This post has been edited by patryn33: Jan 26 2016, 09:18 PM |
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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Jan 26 2016, 09:17 PM) U meant such? How inaccurate? Off by 1ml or 10ml? Whoa! The second link shows Lab Beakers! These won't be off by more than 2 ml or so. http://m.aliexpress.com/item/32281291281.html http://m.aliexpress.com/item/32341261060.html The ones that are off are the ones in the first link, and also those "Tiamo Shot Glasses" : one could be almost spot on, while another could be off by about 5-8 ml - not that much, really, but to someone anal like me, it's just not kosher! I know because I went and bought 50 ml measuring cylinders, and also 50 ml beakers, did someone mention "anal"? haha This post has been edited by stfsoelyn: Jan 26 2016, 11:18 PM |
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QUOTE(stfsoelyn @ Jan 26 2016, 11:10 PM) Whoa! The second link shows Lab Beakers! These won't be off by more than 2 ml or so. Poor QC?The ones that are off are the ones in the first link, and also those "Tiamo Shot Glasses" : one could be almost spot on, while another could be off by about 5-8 ml - not that much, really, but to someone anal like me, it's just not kosher! I know because I went and bought 50 ml measuring cylinders, and also 50 ml beakers, did someone mention "anal"? haha U can taste over extraction by 5ml! You got your mazzer? Prc maybe not be kosher and unfit for anal ppl Hmm when I free shall check if my 2 shot glass that screw up This post has been edited by patryn33: Jan 27 2016, 11:21 AM |
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QUOTE(max_cjs0101 @ Jan 27 2016, 01:02 PM) Personally I think this forum is a little too preoccupied with crazy expensive equipment. As for the French Press, perhaps getting a set from Ikea would be more cost effective than hacking a new mesh. The 1 liter model goes for RM 59 while the 0.4 liter is just RM 27.90. Was just at the Cheras branch... tons of stock. |
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QUOTE(27needles @ Jan 27 2016, 06:07 PM) Hi guys KL region can try Dankoff, sri kembanganNewbie to coffee here, wanting to learn. Me and my girlfriend want to try to practice coffee brewing at home.. We want something not too expensive, but a reliable and accurate machine to practice properly. So after some research online, we are eyeing on the Nuova Simonelli Musica . Do you all have any recommended place for us to purchase the Musica, for a good deal/reasonable price (not overpriced) ? Penang can try lighthouse, sg pinang |
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QUOTE(lowkl @ Jan 27 2016, 07:33 PM) Personally I think this forum is a little too preoccupied with crazy expensive equipment. Simple explanation. Most of us are latte or cappuccino lover. I believe latte art also part of the reason. HahaAs for the French Press, perhaps getting a set from Ikea would be more cost effective than hacking a new mesh. The 1 liter model goes for RM 59 while the 0.4 liter is just RM 27.90. Was just at the Cheras branch... tons of stock. I do love french press. But i personally prefer milk based coffee. Or mayb i like to see the 25 sec espresso flow xD This post has been edited by luvox: Jan 27 2016, 07:50 PM |
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QUOTE(lowkl @ Jan 27 2016, 07:33 PM) Personally I think this forum is a little too preoccupied with crazy expensive equipment. No one score the slayer or own a couple 'cheap' londinium or salvatore for collectionAs for the French Press, perhaps getting a set from Ikea would be more cost effective than hacking a new mesh. The 1 liter model goes for RM 59 while the 0.4 liter is just RM 27.90. Was just at the Cheras branch... tons of stock. This post has been edited by patryn33: Jan 27 2016, 09:35 PM |
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QUOTE(stfsoelyn @ Jan 27 2016, 01:06 PM) Last time I checked, was around 2.5K, from various sellers. Since you asked, I checked cuppa, and they don't have it anymore. Will keep looking, but any leads would be welcome! Compak k3 58mm burrBut online MC6 65mm burr can cost less https://www.espressocoffeeshop.com/index.ph...&product_id=668 |
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QUOTE(PegasuS87 @ Jan 27 2016, 10:05 PM) https://www.facebook.com/pages/Lighthouse-C...465039153615915 |
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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Jan 27 2016, 09:46 PM) Compak k3 58mm burr Thanks for the link. The price sure is tempting, but I would have to be a gambling person to take that plunge: the thought ofBut online MC6 65mm burr can cost less https://www.espressocoffeeshop.com/index.ph...&product_id=668 shipping a defective machine back to EU is scary. And we don't know yet if the customs guys will decide, on that particular time, of that particular day, when the machine passes their station, if they will drop the axe on the 30 odd %... |
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QUOTE(stfsoelyn @ Jan 27 2016, 11:34 PM) Thanks for the link. The price sure is tempting, but I would have to be a gambling person to take that plunge: the thought of ppl in SG have bought grinder from them no issue.shipping a defective machine back to EU is scary. And we don't know yet if the customs guys will decide, on that particular time, of that particular day, when the machine passes their station, if they will drop the axe on the 30 odd %... chances of a defective machine low, very low. as for customs tax.. 30%?? where did u get the info? GST/VAT plus import tax is like 12-15%. still cheaper than what u find locally.. of course when they unreasonable 30% is ouch! http://tariff.customs.gov.my/ from here its just 10%. https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/841985 wouldn't ppl getting from taobao be chop here and there.. U just not comfortable buying online. I am kinda used to in my society.. else amazon not seeing crazy market. lol This post has been edited by patryn33: Jan 28 2016, 01:34 AM |
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QUOTE(luvox @ Jan 27 2016, 07:37 PM) Appreciate the reply, luvox! - What about some other places i found online like CoffeeRitual, Coffex Coffee or cuppa. com.my ? - Also, is there other similar alternative option, other than the Musica? |
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QUOTE(27needles @ Jan 27 2016, 06:07 PM) Hi guys Musica not cheap iirc, EU pricing very attractive. Looked at other options? Don't forget u still need a good Grinder.. What you have in mind now?Newbie to coffee here, wanting to learn. Me and my girlfriend want to try to practice coffee brewing at home.. We want something not too expensive, but a reliable and accurate machine to practice properly. So after some research online, we are eyeing on the Nuova Simonelli Musica . Do you all have any recommended place for us to purchase the Musica, for a good deal/reasonable price (not overpriced) ? http://www.finecoffeecompany.com/product-c...resso-machines/ |
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QUOTE(27needles @ Jan 27 2016, 06:07 PM) Hi guys Newbie to coffee here, wanting to learn. Me and my girlfriend want to try to practice coffee brewing at home.. We want something not too expensive, but a reliable and accurate machine to practice properly. So after some research online, we are eyeing on the Nuova Simonelli Musica . Do you all have any recommended place for us to purchase the Musica, for a good deal/reasonable price (not overpriced) ? QUOTE(patryn33 @ Jan 28 2016, 01:55 AM) Musica not cheap iirc, EU pricing very attractive. Looked at other options? Don't forget u still need a good Grinder.. What you have in mind now? Quite agree. Musica is definitely not a beginner machine but yes, invest in it and it will serve you long and well. If you know exactly what you are getting into, it'll be a fabulous machine (you have to do justice to it with a good grinder yes?)http://www.finecoffeecompany.com/product-c...resso-machines/ There's one currently in the second hand market: http://www.mudah.my/Coffee+machine+home+or...e+-43742196.htm I don't know about the market price of it though |
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I have problem with weak crema, got my fresh bean from my espresso lab, bean is fresh, around 2 weeks old.
i got myself with a unpressurised basket. using my hand grinder to grind to the finest(took really long time to grind it though) , tamp it and pull the shot. Surprisingly it over tamp at the first time. Second time adjust the grind about 1/4 turn from finest to course, tamp at the same pressure. this time still under tamp, the coffee came out too fast with very weak crema. Im expecting myself to get a nicr crema like tiger stripe, but fail to do so, but havent give up yet. My machine is Delonghi ecov 311, since the Delinghi EC 155 wit upf can do a nice crema tiger stripe, i believe my machine can do it too. Any idea what will be the problem? is it because of my coffee not properly grind enough? feel like wanna get an electric grinder.. tiring of grinding with my arm... lol |
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QUOTE(aranny2001 @ Jan 28 2016, 09:28 AM) I have problem with weak crema, got my fresh bean from my espresso lab, bean is fresh, around 2 weeks old. either too coarse or too fine will become like this.i got myself with a unpressurised basket. using my hand grinder to grind to the finest(took really long time to grind it though) , tamp it and pull the shot. Surprisingly it over tamp at the first time. Second time adjust the grind about 1/4 turn from finest to course, tamp at the same pressure. this time still under tamp, the coffee came out too fast with very weak crema. Im expecting myself to get a nicr crema like tiger stripe, but fail to do so, but havent give up yet. My machine is Delonghi ecov 311, since the Delinghi EC 155 wit upf can do a nice crema tiger stripe, i believe my machine can do it too. Any idea what will be the problem? is it because of my coffee not properly grind enough? feel like wanna get an electric grinder.. tiring of grinding with my arm... lol my ec155 can do better. |
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QUOTE Bg kurangkn kos kperluan harian,Krjn akn,antaranya,liberalisasikn AP bg prod prtanian trpilih trmasuk biji kopi mentah,daging #Bajet2016 Saw this on kopitiam, does this mean we will be able to import raw beans without AP in the near future? This post has been edited by Kclee2002: Jan 28 2016, 01:01 PM |
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QUOTE(Kclee2002 @ Jan 28 2016, 12:55 PM) Bg kurangkn kos kperluan harian,Krjn akn,antaranya,liberalisasikn AP bg prod prtanian trpilih trmasuk biji kopi mentah,daging #Bajet2016 According to The Star's ongoing report on the revised budget, Mr 2.6 billion announced "- 3. To reduce cost of living, Govt to liberalise APs for agricultural products including coffee beans and meats".Saw this on kopitiam, does this mean we will be able to import raw beans without AP in the near future? So what does "liberalise" mean? Why not just say "eliminate"? Does it just mean more cronies get APs? |
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QUOTE(aranny2001 @ Jan 28 2016, 09:28 AM) I have problem with weak crema, got my fresh bean from my espresso lab, bean is fresh, around 2 weeks old. Possible you have channeling: water going through cracks in your coffee grounds due to uneven tamp or overdosing.i got myself with a unpressurised basket. using my hand grinder to grind to the finest(took really long time to grind it though) , tamp it and pull the shot. Surprisingly it over tamp at the first time. Second time adjust the grind about 1/4 turn from finest to course, tamp at the same pressure. this time still under tamp, the coffee came out too fast with very weak crema. Im expecting myself to get a nicr crema like tiger stripe, but fail to do so, but havent give up yet. My machine is Delonghi ecov 311, since the Delinghi EC 155 wit upf can do a nice crema tiger stripe, i believe my machine can do it too. Any idea what will be the problem? is it because of my coffee not properly grind enough? feel like wanna get an electric grinder.. tiring of grinding with my arm... lol Not that I actually know this from experience: I use pressurised (with very light tamp), and a low dose so no chance of this happening.... |
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QUOTE(lowkl @ Jan 28 2016, 01:02 PM) According to The Star's ongoing report on the revised budget, Mr 2.6 billion announced "- 3. To reduce cost of living, Govt to liberalise APs for agricultural products including coffee beans and meats". Ah, i was just about to quote that too. I think what liberalized mean is that there will be more AP holders who can import these now?So what does "liberalise" mean? Why not just say "eliminate"? Does it just mean more cronies get APs? |
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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Jan 28 2016, 01:15 AM) ppl in SG have bought grinder from them no issue. Yeah, I'm not very comfortable buying big stuff from overseas. It's like a big weight on my mind!chances of a defective machine low, very low. as for customs tax.. 30%?? where did u get the info? GST/VAT plus import tax is like 12-15%. still cheaper than what u find locally.. of course when they unreasonable 30% is ouch! http://tariff.customs.gov.my/ from here its just 10%. https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/841985 wouldn't ppl getting from taobao be chop here and there.. U just not comfortable buying online. I am kinda used to in my society.. else amazon not seeing crazy market. lol |
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QUOTE(lowkl @ Jan 28 2016, 02:09 PM) Possible you have channeling: water going through cracks in your coffee grounds due to uneven tamp or overdosing. now im trying to use unpressurised basket. Not that I actually know this from experience: I use pressurised (with very light tamp), and a low dose so no chance of this happening.... ya, if i use pressurised i also lightly tamp , cos if tamp too much will tend to over tamp thus the water cant flow thru |
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QUOTE(ymeng85 @ Jan 28 2016, 09:10 AM) Quite agree. Musica is definitely not a beginner machine but yes, invest in it and it will serve you long and well. If you know exactly what you are getting into, it'll be a fabulous machine (you have to do justice to it with a good grinder yes?) Some hoe for that price I am more inclined to get a http://londiniumespresso.com/store/lever-e...nes/londinium-iThere's one currently in the second hand market: http://www.mudah.my/Coffee+machine+home+or...e+-43742196.htm I don't know about the market price of it though |
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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Jan 28 2016, 11:40 PM) Some hoe for that price I am more inclined to get a http://londiniumespresso.com/store/lever-e...nes/londinium-i Like i said, I'm totally not up to date with market prices. Just assumed a second hand Musica should be cheaper than brand new |
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Anything 2nd hand in this area will be cheaper.
But are they looking for 2nd hand? If no strictly 1st hand then ... Just for learning and home, need to factor in grinder. Anyway ppl spending the $$ is chill, I am not debating anything just stating I would rather get something diff. Machine is very subjective |
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Got the beaker as suggested. Will see how consistent is the yield volume. This shot just hit the 60ml mark excluding the crema. Pre infusion 11 seconds and extraction time 18 seconds. Using the finest settings of the build in grinder. Dose is around 17grams. If I wish to have a longer extraction time I'll have to dose more.
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QUOTE(Bigboyz @ Jan 29 2016, 09:49 PM) Got the beaker as suggested. Will see how consistent is the yield volume. This shot just hit the 60ml mark excluding the crema. Pre infusion 11 seconds and extraction time 18 seconds. Using the finest settings of the build in grinder. Dose is around 17grams. If I wish to have a longer extraction time I'll have to dose more. Volume measurement is actually supposed to include creama too so this will be considered slightly of a lungo shot Preinfusion + brew time = 29sec is perfectly fine already, shouldn't need to tweak on dose and grind size further. Ultimately, how's the taste? |
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QUOTE(ymeng85 @ Jan 29 2016, 11:33 PM) Volume measurement is actually supposed to include creama too so this will be considered slightly of a lungo shot What should I look out for when tasting? I'd say it tasted yummy with milk 😁 I might experiment once my kilo of beans arrive. Noted bro, will try to achieve a nett 60 ml mark next time... See if I can taste any difference. The yield is based on my machines default settings.Preinfusion + brew time = 29sec is perfectly fine already, shouldn't need to tweak on dose and grind size further. Ultimately, how's the taste? This post has been edited by Bigboyz: Jan 30 2016, 12:01 AM |
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QUOTE(ymeng85 @ Jan 30 2016, 05:02 PM) Feels a little fast to me. Grind a notch finer or tamp slightly harder It's at the finest setting. Don't think I can tamp much harder coz I don't feel it compressing any more. Speaking of tamping, I have an old batch of beans, no matter how hard I temp, it flows out very fast... It doesn't taste watery though.How about the body? Does it taste watery or thin? |
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QUOTE(Bigboyz @ Jan 30 2016, 05:16 PM) It's at the finest setting. Don't think I can tamp much harder coz I don't feel it compressing any more. Speaking of tamping, I have an old batch of beans, no matter how hard I temp, it flows out very fast... It doesn't taste watery though. While chasing perfection is kinda fun but what really matters is that end of the day you enjoy the coffee. So if you like the taste, go for itCan't really help much unless you have another person drink and feedback What grinder are you using again? |
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QUOTE(Bigboyz @ Jan 30 2016, 05:16 PM) It's at the finest setting. Don't think I can tamp much harder coz I don't feel it compressing any more. Speaking of tamping, I have an old batch of beans, no matter how hard I temp, it flows out very fast... It doesn't taste watery though. Up dose...Yes...Stale beans run fast. Grind too fine gets bitter. Milk reduces the bitterness....so maybe that's why it tastes OK. I find that the best is up dose. Tamping won't help as you have found out. |
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QUOTE(ymeng85 @ Jan 30 2016, 05:32 PM) While chasing perfection is kinda fun but what really matters is that end of the day you enjoy the coffee. So if you like the taste, go for it Yup, I'm enjoying the coffee but at the same trying tI learn more too 😀. I'm using the breville bes870 in built grinder.Can't really help much unless you have another person drink and feedback What grinder are you using again? |
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Picked up another 250g bag of Merdeka Coffee beans at Antipodean last week, roasted on Jan 26th yum.
As someone posted already, the price has gone up, it's now RM31.80 after GST from RM26.50 last year. With just 2 coffee drinkers in the house, I am also a bit surprised that I finished 250g in 5 days, urgh... |
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QUOTE(tishaban @ Feb 1 2016, 10:11 AM) Picked up another 250g bag of Merdeka Coffee beans at Antipodean last week, roasted on Jan 26th yum. Hmm..I thought coffee beans were GST exempted items?As someone posted already, the price has gone up, it's now RM31.80 after GST from RM26.50 last year. With just 2 coffee drinkers in the house, I am also a bit surprised that I finished 250g in 5 days, urgh... |
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Visited lighthouse today to ask for nuova oscar II price.
Surprisingly, quoted rm41xx inclusive gst, just rm200 higher than old version. |
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I had a cup of Coffee Bean's house blend coffee and it was terrible. Not that im a snob but it was the most tasteless and watery cup of coffee i've ever got from a cafe.
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QUOTE(max_cjs0101 @ Feb 2 2016, 10:23 AM) I had a cup of Coffee Bean's house blend coffee and it was terrible. Not that im a snob but it was the most tasteless and watery cup of coffee i've ever got from a cafe. I think we all get spoiled by preparing our own coffee, using equipment we are familiar with, great beans, fresh grinds, tuned to our preferences. That being said, have to admit most of the chain coffee houses make atrocious brews. I believe most of their baristas don't care two hoots about the stuff they peddle. |
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QUOTE(Bigboyz @ Jan 30 2016, 05:16 PM) It's at the finest setting. Don't think I can tamp much harder coz I don't feel it compressing any more. Speaking of tamping, I have an old batch of beans, no matter how hard I temp, it flows out very fast... It doesn't taste watery though. Since I’ve stopped drinking for a while, I’ve some slightly old beans too, roasted in November. Last weekend I’ve made some coffee for guest. Have to dose up to 26g instead of 20g (double) to maintain the usual flow. Seems to work well, taste I think a little stronger though.QUOTE(PegasuS87 @ Feb 1 2016, 06:38 PM) Visited lighthouse today to ask for nuova oscar II price. Sounds like a good buy, I’ve always preferred shiny metallic to plastic ABS. Don’t think it will be approved by my home minister though, not unless I start turning my current one into a cash cow.Surprisingly, quoted rm41xx inclusive gst, just rm200 higher than old version. |
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QUOTE(Castreal @ Feb 2 2016, 10:50 AM) Sounds like a good buy, I’ve always preferred shiny metallic to plastic ABS. Don’t think it will be approved by my home minister though, not unless I start turning my current one into a cash cow. 1 handbag for her , 1 machine for u..should be fine |
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Made some Liberica coffee just now. What an eye opener.
Nutty, super earthy, definitely full bodied and a medium finish. This is a good filler coffee but too punchy as it is, at least for me la. |
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QUOTE(max_cjs0101 @ Feb 4 2016, 11:07 AM) Made some Liberica coffee just now. What an eye opener. the nangka/yellow fruit aftertaste is wee bit too strong for me hahaNutty, super earthy, definitely full bodied and a medium finish. This is a good filler coffee but too punchy as it is, at least for me la. |
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coffee time and Happy HOLIDAY!
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Two days ago, I started to mix the 3-in-1 Nescafe with extra sachet of creamer. It is been tastier since then, but I worried about excess sugary intake. Is that a good idea (to mix 3-in-1 instant coffee with another 1 or 2 sachet of creamer)?
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QUOTE(mentalhealth.my @ Feb 7 2016, 11:25 PM) Two days ago, I started to mix the 3-in-1 Nescafe with extra sachet of creamer. It is been tastier since then, but I worried about excess sugary intake. Is that a good idea (to mix 3-in-1 instant coffee with another 1 or 2 sachet of creamer)? Creamers are an EXCELLENT source of trans-fatty acids....and that stuff is many times worse than sugar. I'm sure you can figure it out |
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QUOTE(mentalhealth.my @ Feb 8 2016, 01:09 AM) You might want to look into thishttp://www.elizabethrider.com/healthy-home...coffee-creamer/ http://www.ahealthiermichigan.org/2014/07/...offee-creamers/ This post has been edited by patryn33: Feb 8 2016, 02:56 AM |
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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Feb 8 2016, 02:48 AM) You might want to look into this That Coffeemate sounds scary... No wonder I was hungry all the night...http://www.elizabethrider.com/healthy-home...coffee-creamer/ http://www.ahealthiermichigan.org/2014/07/...offee-creamers/ |
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QUOTE(mentalhealth.my @ Feb 8 2016, 02:59 AM) Hungry all night may not due to just coffeemate, u have to eat well. Don't put all the blame at coffeemate, your 3in1 coffee contains coffeemate of some sort already. Who knows what u eat to screw your health up. Review and revise what you eat |
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Anyone knows of local company that sourced ethically grown Timor Leste coffee ?
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QUOTE(mentalhealth.my @ Feb 7 2016, 11:25 PM) Two days ago, I started to mix the 3-in-1 Nescafe with extra sachet of creamer. It is been tastier since then, but I worried about excess sugary intake. Is that a good idea (to mix 3-in-1 instant coffee with another 1 or 2 sachet of creamer)? Nescafe + milk or half & half or cream + demerara sugar |
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Happy CNY all!
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Good day folks, was wondering what digital scales do you use and where do you purchase them?
Many sites point to this one (American Weigh Scales AMW-SC-2KG Digital Pocket Scale) and i like the look and portability of it. Unfortunately, the shipping is a bomb. Hopefully fellow coffee lovers here could lend me a hand. (Looking for ≥1,000g/1kg x 0.1 or 0.01 scale) This post has been edited by AzrinRain: Feb 10 2016, 12:29 PM |
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QUOTE(AzrinRain @ Feb 10 2016, 12:18 PM) Good day folks, was wondering what digital scales do you use and where do you purchase them? I use this:Many sites point to this one (American Weigh Scales AMW-SC-2KG Digital Pocket Scale) and i like the look and portability of it. Unfortunately, the shipping is a bomb. Hopefully fellow coffee lovers here could lend me a hand. AWS Blade Digital Pocket Scale. Advantages: - it's so small & fits with my Aeropress/Hario Skerton travelling kit - can recalibrate, though this requires a calibration weight (which costs almost as much as the weighing scale itself!) Disadvantages: - Not good for pourovers .... too small. Readout & buttons can be obscured by the coffee server - design of the weighing platform allows liquids to seep in. - base was not 100% level. I added a few felt tabs to compensate. Previous to this was using cheapo kitchen weighing scale. However, did some calibration checking... can be off by 5 gm (depending on the weight of the container)!! Hence not good for weighing out doses. |
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QUOTE(lowkl @ Feb 10 2016, 12:33 PM) I use this: Thanks for the speedy reply!AWS Blade Digital Pocket Scale. Advantages: - it's so small & fits with my Aeropress/Hario Skerton travelling kit - can recalibrate, though this requires a calibration weight (which costs almost as much as the weighing scale itself!) Disadvantages: - Not good for pourovers .... too small. Readout & buttons can be obscured by the coffee server - design of the weighing platform allows liquids to seep in. - base was not 100% level. I added a few felt tabs to compensate. Previous to this was using cheapo kitchen weighing scale. However, did some calibration checking... can be off by 5 gm (depending on the weight of the container)!! Hence not good for weighing out doses. Yeah, it's quite small, melikes! But the platform size is about 7x7cm, i'm guessing the readout will be obscured by the Aeropress and/or my 8cm mug. How often do you feel the need to re-calibrate the scale? |
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QUOTE(AzrinRain @ Feb 10 2016, 12:57 PM) Thanks for the speedy reply! For inverted Aeropress is just nice.Yeah, it's quite small, melikes! But the platform size is about 7x7cm, i'm guessing the readout will be obscured by the Aeropress and/or my 8cm mug. How often do you feel the need to re-calibrate the scale? I think your mug should be OK if it has a relatively flat bottom (not with a deep concave bottom).... the readout & buttons swing out a bit, so should be still easily accessible. I haven't got the calibration weight yet, so now have been using it for about a year without recalibration. I found this calibration weight - 500gm on Lelong which would work, for RM39 + RM8 shipping. |
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QUOTE(lowkl @ Feb 10 2016, 01:13 PM) For inverted Aeropress is just nice. Nice! Will consider getting this then.I think your mug should be OK if it has a relatively flat bottom (not with a deep concave bottom).... the readout & buttons swing out a bit, so should be still easily accessible. I haven't got the calibration weight yet, so now have been using it for about a year without recalibration. I found this calibration weight - 500gm on Lelong which would work, for RM39 + RM8 shipping. As for the calibration weight - perhaps the thread users could pool in some money and have monthly meets to calibrate our scales, haha! At least i can learn from other more experienced AP users than me. Also, out of curiosity, do you use the supplied AP tote bag for travel, or do you use something else? |
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QUOTE(AzrinRain @ Feb 10 2016, 01:19 PM) Nice! Will consider getting this then. Just a freebie cloth bag, I'm afraid. I need the space for the other parts of the kit... grinder, beans, thermometer.As for the calibration weight - perhaps the thread users could pool in some money and have monthly meets to calibrate our scales, haha! At least i can learn from other more experienced AP users than me. Also, out of curiosity, do you use the supplied AP tote bag for travel, or do you use something else? Furthermore, I got my Aeropress from the controversial Rakuten source (who no longer sells on the site.... making it even more controversial!) ... didn't come with a bag. It would be very pleasant to meet up with some other coffee fans & swap techniques, beans & stories. It would be even better if it could be extended to the espresso crowd, though toting around the machines may be restrictive. Reading up in this forum & the high-end equipment many use here (compared to my China-no-name-brand 600N grinder & Saeco Poemia kit) I am endlessly curious exacty how huge a difference in shot quality it makes.... a side-by-side shootout, using the same beans. |
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Was fortunate to receive mine second-hand from Carousell.
Very nice of the seller to include the Able Disk filter, but i feel it doesn't taste as great as using paper filters (since the grind is coarser than normal). Ordered a filter from Kohi Labs, since it's said to taste and perform similar to or better than paper filters. Have been looking for a great way to carry the entire setup around (beans, Mini Mill, AP, mug, filters, etc) For my budget, hand grinders work great! Looking to upgrade to a Porlex or an EvenGrind in the near future. This post has been edited by AzrinRain: Feb 10 2016, 01:45 PM |
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QUOTE(AzrinRain @ Feb 10 2016, 01:43 PM) Was fortunate to receive mine second-hand from Carousell. I usually use an Able filter (fine) with the AeroPress, though other than the bit of fine "muck" at the bottom of the cup I really can't taste the difference compared to using the paper filters; you are obviously a more discerning coffee connoisseur than I am. Please share your experience with the Kohi filter once it arrives.... probably will "poison" me to get one as well!Very nice of the seller to include the Able Disk filter, but i feel it doesn't taste as great as using paper filters (since the grind is coarser than normal). Ordered a filter from Kohi Labs, since it's said to taste and perform similar to or better than paper filters. Have been looking for a great way to carry the entire setup around (beans, Mini Mill, AP, mug, filters, etc) For my budget, hand grinders work great! Looking to upgrade to a Porlex or an EvenGrind in the near future. I must admit the AP has now become my second-favourite brewing method, only used once or twice a week; the Poemia has taken over on all other days. Perhaps because cafe lattes are my go-to brew, which does well with highly concentrated espresso shots. How about a cool retro wood case for your kit? I'm spoiled rotten with the electric grinder, so sorry... even though the manual ones you mention grind perfectly consistent the sheer effort & time is just too much for lazy me! |
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Feb 11 2016, 12:35 PM
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QUOTE(lowkl @ Feb 10 2016, 05:47 PM) I usually use an Able filter (fine) with the AeroPress, though other than the bit of fine "muck" at the bottom of the cup I really can't taste the difference compared to using the paper filters; you are obviously a more discerning coffee connoisseur than I am. Please share your experience with the Kohi filter once it arrives.... probably will "poison" me to get one as well! Hahaha nonono i am nowhere near being a connoisseur!I must admit the AP has now become my second-favourite brewing method, only used once or twice a week; the Poemia has taken over on all other days. Perhaps because cafe lattes are my go-to brew, which does well with highly concentrated espresso shots. How about a cool retro wood case for your kit? I'm spoiled rotten with the electric grinder, so sorry... even though the manual ones you mention grind perfectly consistent the sheer effort & time is just too much for lazy me! The Able Disk i received is not the fine version, and i found out that means you need your grind to be a few clicks (on the Mini Mill) coarser, thus leading to under-extraction. Finer grinds on that disk make me use more force on the AP, and some sediments will end up in your cup of coffee, not to mention having some stuck inside the Able Disk. I would love to try some of what you guys/gals make someday! A wood case sounds awesome as it is luxurious, but i commute to and from work daily. At the moment, i'm re-purposing a camera bag to keep all my tools in, but a pouch will do wonders when travelling out of the country. HAHAHAHA I know, right? Though, i may have a hack for that. I just fill in whatever amount i want to my grinder, and attach the top part (that hexagonal shaped nut thingy) to an electric drill. Press the trigger lightly, and you should be done. Haha! |
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Feb 11 2016, 01:07 PM
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QUOTE(AzrinRain @ Feb 11 2016, 12:35 PM) Hahaha nonono i am nowhere near being a connoisseur! You could work around the extraction by using a longer time, higher temp water or stirring more actuallyThe Able Disk i received is not the fine version, and i found out that means you need your grind to be a few clicks (on the Mini Mill) coarser, thus leading to under-extraction. Finer grinds on that disk make me use more force on the AP, and some sediments will end up in your cup of coffee, not to mention having some stuck inside the Able Disk. I would love to try some of what you guys/gals make someday! A wood case sounds awesome as it is luxurious, but i commute to and from work daily. At the moment, i'm re-purposing a camera bag to keep all my tools in, but a pouch will do wonders when travelling out of the country. HAHAHAHA I know, right? Though, i may have a hack for that. I just fill in whatever amount i want to my grinder, and attach the top part (that hexagonal shaped nut thingy) to an electric drill. Press the trigger lightly, and you should be done. Haha! How's the consistency of the grind when you attach to an electric drill? I get better results when I grind manually and slower too |
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Feb 11 2016, 02:03 PM
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@ymeng85,
I love the AP because i don't like brewing the beans for too long. I do my best to keep my brews under 2:00. Been working hard to keep the timing consistent, then i'll fine-tune the grind (more/less water, higher/lower temp, etc) to get to the beans' "sweet spot", so to speak. Thus far, i'm happy with the paper filter, let's hope the filter i ordered works as great! The electric drill thing was just a hypothesis i came up with. I believe it is quite doable, provided you go slow. You don't want go too fast and end up shattering the burr or melting the plastic body. With that being said, i'm currently happy with cranking it with my hands. Though, i try to crank as quickly and as carefully as i could, since beans can lose flavor really quick upon grinding. What's your normal click setting for your grinder? I'm pretty happy with 7-8 from closed position on the Mini Mill. |
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Feb 11 2016, 05:33 PM
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Hi guys , I'm having a Rancilio Silvia V3 for sale Rm2100 nego .. Item used for one year and the machine is in mint condition ..
This machine is known for "built like a tank" and also for its reliability and quality . A must have for beginner coffee/espresso enthusiast due to its capability and ability.. It has great steam power for decent microfoam and therefore decent latte art . The portafilter is not pressurised(no shortcut!) and it comes with 58mm basket and copper group head .. This probably is as close as you can get in a commercial like espresso machine . Scaling and back flush done periodically therefore no worries on the machine performance .. Willing to do COD within Klang valley area and pls whatapps me 0122956694 Ben for further details .. Have a nice day guys ! This post has been edited by utraben: Feb 11 2016, 05:44 PM |
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Feb 12 2016, 02:18 AM
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QUOTE(AzrinRain @ Feb 11 2016, 02:03 PM) The electric drill thing was just a hypothesis i came up with. I believe it is quite doable, provided you go slow. You don't want go too fast and end up shattering the burr or melting the plastic body. There's been some talk on other coffee forums about the electric drill hack; in fact, I think you can find a YouTube or two on the subject matter.With that being said, i'm currently happy with cranking it with my hands. Though, i try to crank as quickly and as carefully as i could, since beans can lose flavor really quick upon grinding. What's your normal click setting for your grinder? I'm pretty happy with 7-8 from closed position on the Mini Mill. I was at a home appliance shop yesterday to look for an air-con; and came across a Kenwood citrus juicer for just over RM100. I would think this motor would be a better "fit" in terms of torque and speed to drive the manual grinder. Need to figure out how to adapt the motor to the grinder though.....maybe rig together a couple of universal socket wrench adapters back to back. |
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Feb 12 2016, 09:55 AM
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QUOTE(AzrinRain @ Feb 11 2016, 02:03 PM) @ymeng85, I'm roughly at 7 clicks too (changes each time i disassemble for cleaning I love the AP because i don't like brewing the beans for too long. I do my best to keep my brews under 2:00. Been working hard to keep the timing consistent, then i'll fine-tune the grind (more/less water, higher/lower temp, etc) to get to the beans' "sweet spot", so to speak. Thus far, i'm happy with the paper filter, let's hope the filter i ordered works as great! The electric drill thing was just a hypothesis i came up with. I believe it is quite doable, provided you go slow. You don't want go too fast and end up shattering the burr or melting the plastic body. With that being said, i'm currently happy with cranking it with my hands. Though, i try to crank as quickly and as carefully as i could, since beans can lose flavor really quick upon grinding. What's your normal click setting for your grinder? I'm pretty happy with 7-8 from closed position on the Mini Mill. Is yours including press time? |
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Feb 12 2016, 10:37 AM
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QUOTE(ymeng85 @ Feb 12 2016, 09:55 AM) I'm roughly at 7 clicks too (changes each time i disassemble for cleaning My brew recipe is more like yours ymeng85:Is yours including press time? - inverted, warmed - 10 sec pre-infusion with just enough room temperature water to cover 24gm of grounds; stir to ensure saturation & cater for bloom - pour to brim with 85c; stir once or twice (sometimes) - 1 min brew, 30 sec press Need to check on the Skerton setting, but because it's a different grinder, may not equate to yours. |
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Feb 12 2016, 11:39 AM
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QUOTE(lowkl @ Feb 12 2016, 10:37 AM) My brew recipe is more like yours ymeng85: 24g of grounds is alot! Inverted + poured to top at most is around 250-260gm water. Thats a 1:11 ratio, quite high of grounds to water- inverted, warmed - 10 sec pre-infusion with just enough room temperature water to cover 24gm of grounds; stir to ensure saturation & cater for bloom - pour to brim with 85c; stir once or twice (sometimes) - 1 min brew, 30 sec press Need to check on the Skerton setting, but because it's a different grinder, may not equate to yours. For fruity, acidity notes, I like to keep at 16-18grams I lean higher to 86-88C water nowadays especially on lighter roasts |
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Feb 12 2016, 01:06 PM
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@ymeng85,
My brew recipe is as follows (ideas taken from Lukas Zahradnik's winning brew): - 15g beans, pour 200g water in mug and let it sit for about 2-3 mins (i normally grind my beans right after i pour the water). Place filter in cap and rinse with hot water separately. - inverted AP, pour just enough water to cover the grounds, let bloom for 30s - 15s turbulent wiggle - fill the rest of the water in - put cap on and press for 45s. 1:30 brew time. The water is ideally 80º, but i don't have a thermometer at the moment. But of course, this is not to be taken as a gospel of sorts. Different beans and equipment (even the water you use!) can affect the final taste. Tweak as you'd like (more bean, hotter water, coarser grind, etc etc) This post has been edited by AzrinRain: Feb 12 2016, 01:12 PM |
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Feb 12 2016, 01:42 PM
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just sharing ...
https://beanshipper.com/products/honduras-e...ant=10587860359 anyone interested to buy this with me??? KL old klang road area ... I taking 400g |
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Feb 12 2016, 03:57 PM
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QUOTE(AzrinRain @ Feb 12 2016, 01:06 PM) @ymeng85, Right on Azrin. Thats the reason why we try to compare notes as much as possible cos the combinations are endless!My brew recipe is as follows (ideas taken from Lukas Zahradnik's winning brew): - 15g beans, pour 200g water in mug and let it sit for about 2-3 mins (i normally grind my beans right after i pour the water). Place filter in cap and rinse with hot water separately. - inverted AP, pour just enough water to cover the grounds, let bloom for 30s - 15s turbulent wiggle - fill the rest of the water in - put cap on and press for 45s. 1:30 brew time. The water is ideally 80º, but i don't have a thermometer at the moment. But of course, this is not to be taken as a gospel of sorts. Different beans and equipment (even the water you use!) can affect the final taste. Tweak as you'd like (more bean, hotter water, coarser grind, etc etc) You're on a lower water temp so that may be the reason. I'll give your recipe a spin next week and see how it goes |
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Feb 13 2016, 07:27 PM
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whao, didn't know there's such a big group of aeropress user here
My AP is on bench since I got nomad about 2yr ago, now can't live without creama ahahaha... btw, anyone here do latte art with battery frother? I been practice with those cheap battery operated frother for 2yr ... only can do very simple 1, got any tips to share ar? Also, what beans you use for your latte? I love Sumantra Mandheling, but last month I tried Columbia Supremo also not bad. |
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Feb 14 2016, 11:42 AM
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Good day!
Does anyone know where i could buy a good digital thermometer? Budget is RM50. Brick-and-mortar preferred over online. Looking at Lazada and found this Sanwood thermometer, but dang it takes 3-4 weeks of shipping! |
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Feb 14 2016, 11:45 PM
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Hi I am new here and thinking to sell off my Breville BES870. Bought it few days ago 5th Jan 2016 with 3 years warranty from Harvey Norman. The machine is in good condition with minor scratches. If you are interested, pls call me 0122771186. Selling it off at RM3100. Come with all accessories and box. Thx
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Feb 15 2016, 12:38 AM
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QUOTE(AzrinRain @ Feb 14 2016, 11:42 AM) Good day! I got mine from a baking supplies shop (Bagus; it's a big chain with a number of branches). Looks like this one on Lelong.com.my but very sure it was less than RM50.Does anyone know where i could buy a good digital thermometer? Budget is RM50. Brick-and-mortar preferred over online. Looking at Lazada and found this Sanwood thermometer, but dang it takes 3-4 weeks of shipping! |
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Feb 15 2016, 12:41 AM
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QUOTE(lowkl @ Feb 15 2016, 12:38 AM) I got mine from a baking supplies shop (Bagus; it's a big chain with a number of branches). Looks like this one on Lelong.com.my but very sure it was less than RM50. Sweeet, thanks Low!Will give it a shot tomorrow. Is the thermometer reliable? I mean, is it consistently accurate? |
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Feb 15 2016, 01:04 AM
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QUOTE(AzrinRain @ Feb 15 2016, 12:41 AM) Sweeet, thanks Low! Hmmm... tough to answer. It has a 0.1 degree readout, but that doesn't mean anything. I had tested using crushed ice in water (to get as close to 0 C) and boiling water (100C); seemed accurate to 1C.Will give it a shot tomorrow. Is the thermometer reliable? I mean, is it consistently accurate? UPDATE: In the interest of being thoroughly geeky, I just measured body temperature (palm of my hand) using two thermometers simultaneously; the baking one and a basal thermometer (in case you don't know, these are clinical thermometers accurate to 0.01 degrees, meant to track ovulation cycles) baking one read 36.0C while the basal read 35.81C. Sorry but I can't test it at the 65C to 90C range as it would fry the basal. |
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Feb 15 2016, 07:10 AM
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QUOTE(lowkl @ Feb 15 2016, 01:04 AM) Hmmm... tough to answer. It has a 0.1 degree readout, but that doesn't mean anything. I had tested using crushed ice in water (to get as close to 0 C) and boiling water (100C); seemed accurate to 1C. Haha. Geeky indeed. I think k-type thermocouple have come a long way and definitely reliable up till 1C accuracy. Only lacking is the response speed. You will have to give it some time to catch up to actual tempsUPDATE: In the interest of being thoroughly geeky, I just measured body temperature (palm of my hand) using two thermometers simultaneously; the baking one and a basal thermometer (in case you don't know, these are clinical thermometers accurate to 0.01 degrees, meant to track ovulation cycles) baking one read 36.0C while the basal read 35.81C. Sorry but I can't test it at the 65C to 90C range as it would fry the basal. |
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Feb 15 2016, 08:03 AM
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QUOTE(ymeng85 @ Feb 15 2016, 07:10 AM) Haha. Geeky indeed. I think k-type thermocouple have come a long way and definitely reliable up till 1C accuracy. Only lacking is the response speed. You will have to give it some time to catch up to actual temps That's interesting, i keep reading that RTD (and some thermistor) types are said to perform better than thermocouple.This post has been edited by AzrinRain: Feb 15 2016, 08:09 AM |
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Feb 15 2016, 10:05 AM
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QUOTE(AzrinRain @ Feb 15 2016, 08:03 AM) That's interesting, i keep reading that RTD (and some thermistor) types are said to perform better than thermocouple. If you want to go total geek (and also blow your thermometer budget by a couple of hundred) you can get an Arduino, a thermistor and calibrate yourself.This can then act as the core of an Arduino-based coffee brewing rig. At which point I will have to bow in your presence (I'm not worthy! I'm not worthy!!)..... |
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Feb 15 2016, 10:27 AM
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QUOTE(lowkl @ Feb 15 2016, 10:05 AM) If you want to go total geek (and also blow your thermometer budget by a couple of hundred) you can get an Arduino, a thermistor and calibrate yourself. I may be a coffee geek, but i don't think i'm capable of more than that, hahaha!This can then act as the core of an Arduino-based coffee brewing rig. At which point I will have to bow in your presence (I'm not worthy! I'm not worthy!!)..... |
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Feb 15 2016, 11:42 AM
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QUOTE(AzrinRain @ Feb 15 2016, 08:03 AM) That's interesting, i keep reading that RTD (and some thermistor) types are said to perform better than thermocouple. RTD is way more accurate (to the multiple decimal points) but for filter brewing i think it's fine to err by 1-2 degressThermocouples are ~1-2C accuracy or 0.4% of your measuring range Cost and availability wise, thermocouple versions are easier to get too https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermocouple#...arison_of_types |
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Feb 15 2016, 01:43 PM
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anyone knows how long I can keep cold brew in the fridge?
Planning to brew about 500g this weekend. |
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Feb 15 2016, 04:31 PM
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Any store recommended for a casual coffee person to find manual coffee machines for weekend brewing?
I saw those mainstream outlets but their price looks a little "unattractive" |
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Feb 15 2016, 04:58 PM
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QUOTE(razorkid @ Feb 15 2016, 01:43 PM) Hold up, do you mean whole beans?If that's the case, anywhere between three to five weeks, depending on the roast. Lighter roasts tend to last longer than darker ones. Pro tip: Never keep them in the fridge. The huge difference in temperature will cause the beans to lose flavour faster. Once you get your beans and open the pack, seal them tight, keep in an airtight container in a cool, dry and dark place. QUOTE(chiahau @ Feb 15 2016, 04:31 PM) Any store recommended for a casual coffee person to find manual coffee machines for weekend brewing? What's the budget like, if you don't mind us asking?I saw those mainstream outlets but their price looks a little "unattractive" I'm no good at recommendations, but there are some folks in this thread selling off their pre-loved machines at good prices. |
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Feb 15 2016, 05:00 PM
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QUOTE(AzrinRain @ Feb 15 2016, 04:58 PM) Hold up, do you mean whole beans? Probably around 1,000 at most.If that's the case, anywhere between three to five weeks, depending on the roast. Lighter roasts tend to last longer than darker ones. Pro tip: Never keep them in the fridge. The huge difference in temperature will cause the beans to lose flavour faster. Once you get your beans and open the pack, seal them tight, keep in an airtight container in a cool, dry and dark place. What's the budget like, if you don't mind us asking? I'm no good at recommendations, but there are some folks in this thread selling off their pre-loved machines at good prices. Can't be getting pre-loved. It's a gift so likely to purchase new stuffs. Saw a Philip Saeco for around 700 range. Review seems decent |
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Feb 15 2016, 05:09 PM
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QUOTE(AzrinRain @ Feb 15 2016, 04:58 PM) Hold up, do you mean whole beans? Nah, @razorkid's talking about cold brewing. Grind and brew 12hrs overnight in fridge for a smooth low acidity, low bitterness drinkIf that's the case, anywhere between three to five weeks, depending on the roast. Lighter roasts tend to last longer than darker ones. Pro tip: Never keep them in the fridge. The huge difference in temperature will cause the beans to lose flavour faster. Once you get your beans and open the pack, seal them tight, keep in an airtight container in a cool, dry and dark place. I reckon roughly 1 month is not too bad but 500g is alot bro - 1:4 ratio thats 2litres of coffee concentrate |
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Feb 15 2016, 05:17 PM
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QUOTE(ymeng85 @ Feb 15 2016, 05:09 PM) Nah, @razorkid's talking about cold brewing. Grind and brew 12hrs overnight in fridge for a smooth low acidity, low bitterness drink As I thought, I think I will separate them into 2 250g batches, I usually go for 1:4 or 1:4.5 using much less ground coffeeI reckon roughly 1 month is not too bad but 500g is alot bro - 1:4 ratio thats 2litres of coffee concentrate I have the sudden urge to make some cold brew after having one last week |
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Feb 15 2016, 05:20 PM
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QUOTE(razorkid @ Feb 15 2016, 05:17 PM) As I thought, I think I will separate them into 2 250g batches, I usually go for 1:4 or 1:4.5 using much less ground coffee I'm actually having one right now done by a friend - a Sumatran Adsenia. Nice and bold upfront and a toasted nut finishI have the sudden urge to make some cold brew after having one last week |
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Feb 15 2016, 05:24 PM
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QUOTE(chiahau @ Feb 15 2016, 05:00 PM) Probably around 1,000 at most. To my knowledge there are only a few machines within your budget:Can't be getting pre-loved. It's a gift so likely to purchase new stuffs. Saw a Philip Saeco for around 700 range. Review seems decent - Philips Saeco Poemia - Delonghi EC250 - Delonghi ECOV311 And if you are willing to stretch you budget for something that is much more presentable (IMHO anyways), the Delonghi EC680. At this price, you get pretty much the same thing: single boiler, thermostat-controlled, pressurised portafilter, panarello wand..... My budget is/was the same; that's why I can reply..... :-) |
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Feb 15 2016, 05:25 PM
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QUOTE(lowkl @ Feb 15 2016, 05:24 PM) To my knowledge there are only a few machines within your budget: Aesthetics matters not.- Philips Saeco Poemia - Delonghi EC250 - Delonghi ECOV311 And if you are willing to stretch you budget for something that is much more presentable (IMHO anyways), the Delonghi EC680. At this price, you get pretty much the same thing: single boiler, thermostat-controlled, pressurised portafilter, panarello wand..... My budget is/was the same; that's why I can reply..... :-) What I would want is best bang for bucks with decent customer service |
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Feb 16 2016, 09:13 PM
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QUOTE(chiahau @ Feb 15 2016, 05:25 PM) May want to try one before buying. At that budget, there are a lot of compromises. If you don't have a grinder, get one first. Then a brewer or a few brewers, eg Moka Pot, Dripper, Aeropress etc. But if you're dead set on a machine, lowkl's suggestions are spot on, unless you get one used. |
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Feb 17 2016, 08:25 AM
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QUOTE(LazyJin @ Feb 16 2016, 09:13 PM) May want to try one before buying. At that budget, there are a lot of compromises. Where can I try one? If you don't have a grinder, get one first. Then a brewer or a few brewers, eg Moka Pot, Dripper, Aeropress etc. But if you're dead set on a machine, lowkl's suggestions are spot on, unless you get one used. Used machines ain't cheap too and i have a thing about buying used stuffs unless I know the seller personally |
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Feb 17 2016, 03:51 PM
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QUOTE(chiahau @ Feb 17 2016, 08:25 AM) Where can I try one? Speaking of Saeco Peomia (which is quite in high regard among some beginners' circles), I don't know where you can actually "try" (as in, brewing some shots), but you can actually "touch" (as in, hands on) at most Harvey Norman shops.Used machines ain't cheap too and i have a thing about buying used stuffs unless I know the seller personally |
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Feb 17 2016, 03:53 PM
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QUOTE(stfsoelyn @ Feb 17 2016, 03:51 PM) Speaking of Saeco Peomia (which is quite in high regard among some beginners' circles), I don't know where you can actually "try" (as in, brewing some shots), but you can actually "touch" (as in, hands on) at most Harvey Norman shops. That one, I touched more than 100 times already What I am looking for is a place to test run such devices Thanks for the suggestions anyways. |
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Feb 17 2016, 04:19 PM
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QUOTE(chiahau @ Feb 17 2016, 03:53 PM) That one, I touched more than 100 times already Actually, I wouldn't mind taking part in a "shoot-out"... a side-by-side comparison of different equipment, techniques, beans. I can bring my Poemia & 600N grinder (pretty much the definition of low-cost, entry level espresso) to set the lowest baseline. All we need is a space, power supply for the equipment, a sink with a decent water filter..... pretty much everything else can be thrown in the back of the car.What I am looking for is a place to test run such devices Thanks for the suggestions anyways. |
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Feb 17 2016, 04:43 PM
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QUOTE(lowkl @ Feb 17 2016, 04:19 PM) Actually, I wouldn't mind taking part in a "shoot-out"... a side-by-side comparison of different equipment, techniques, beans. I can bring my Poemia & 600N grinder (pretty much the definition of low-cost, entry level espresso) to set the lowest baseline. All we need is a space, power supply for the equipment, a sink with a decent water filter..... pretty much everything else can be thrown in the back of the car. Who's bungalow is up for rent? We need it for this shoot-out! Actually I don't mind learning from more experienced people as well. A good cuppa coffee does not come from equipment alone. One must have good technique as well in order to make a good cup of coffee. Just that I doubt people here are so free to invite everyone to their place and learn from one another. It's a great idea thou, people of like-minded could meet up and learn from each other |
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Feb 17 2016, 05:00 PM
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Sign me up, please!
Though i'm a press kinda guy, my main interest is to see the differences between the grinding gear you guys have. (I wonder who'll be able to host us..) This post has been edited by AzrinRain: Feb 17 2016, 05:00 PM |
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So I did a little googling and found a Saeco Pomea for 699 at Best Denki
However, finance minister has approved for a budget increase up to double of my initial 1,000 budget. It has now gone up to 2-3 region. Was looking at Breville at that range. Any better suggestions? This post has been edited by chiahau: Feb 19 2016, 07:08 PM |
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QUOTE(chiahau @ Feb 19 2016, 07:07 PM) So I did a little googling and found a Saeco Pomea for 699 at Best Denki You are all good on the grinder front?However, finance minister has approved for a budget increase up to double of my initial 1,000 budget. It has now gone up to 2-3 region. Was looking at Breville at that range. Any better suggestions? |
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QUOTE(AzrinRain @ Feb 20 2016, 10:50 AM) Haha, i remembered an old adage that went "you'll actually spend more on the grinder than the coffee machine". IMHO with pretty much any machine you can get a decent cup (though a very good machine can have lots of control to give you a *potentially * amazing cup). However, if you only have a mediocre grinder even this fantastic machine will be inferior. I think they're not kidding! Furthermore a good grinder can contribute to any brewing method. |
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QUOTE(lowkl @ Feb 20 2016, 01:51 PM) IMHO with pretty much any machine you can get a decent cup (though a very good machine can have lots of control to give you a *potentially * amazing cup). However, if you only have a mediocre grinder even this fantastic machine will be inferior. I agree!Furthermore a good grinder can contribute to any brewing method. It's like the audiophile industry. You could have five-figure headphones, but if the music source, recording and encoding aren't good, the finished product will feel lacking . |
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QUOTE(AzrinRain @ Feb 20 2016, 10:50 AM) Haha, i remembered an old adage that went "you'll actually spend more on the grinder than the coffee machine". +1I think they're not kidding! QUOTE(lowkl @ Feb 20 2016, 01:51 PM) IMHO with pretty much any machine you can get a decent cup (though a very good machine can have lots of control to give you a *potentially * amazing cup). However, if you only have a mediocre grinder even this fantastic machine will be inferior. +1 I came from a Breville grinder to a 58mm flat burr grinder. Should have saved my 1.6k (that I spent on the Breville) from the start and gone straight to a commercial grinder. Furthermore a good grinder can contribute to any brewing method. So chiahau you got a grinder already? |
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QUOTE(chiahau @ Feb 19 2016, 07:07 PM) So I did a little googling and found a Saeco Pomea for 699 at Best Denki 3k budget for espresso machine and ginder?However, finance minister has approved for a budget increase up to double of my initial 1,000 budget. It has now gone up to 2-3 region. Was looking at Breville at that range. Any better suggestions? Machine only consider http://www.finecoffeecompany.com/shop/expobar-office-pulser/ Or the popular Rancilio Silvia Going to Thailand reach out to him and get a quickmill but not sure if he carry their entry level line http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/user/155631-quickmill/ This post has been edited by patryn33: Feb 22 2016, 01:09 AM |
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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Feb 22 2016, 12:45 AM) 3k budget for espresso machine and ginder? I'm going to Bangkok soon ( give or take 2-3 months from today ) so I might drop him a visit when I'm there Machine only consider http://www.finecoffeecompany.com/shop/expobar-office-pulser/ Or the popular Rancilio Silvia Going to Thailand reach out to him and get a quickmill but not sure if he carry their entry level line http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/user/155631-quickmill/ Thanks again. Gonna read up a little as usual. |
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QUOTE(LazyJin @ Feb 21 2016, 11:24 PM) +1 LazyJin; can share your experience with the Breville grinder (which I'm guessing is the BCG820) as well as your commercial grinder (brand,model, where you got it, how much)?+1 I came from a Breville grinder to a 58mm flat burr grinder. Should have saved my 1.6k (that I spent on the Breville) from the start and gone straight to a commercial grinder. TIA!! |
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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Jan 28 2016, 11:40 PM) Some hoe for that price I am more inclined to get a http://londiniumespresso.com/store/lever-e...nes/londinium-i I think the Musica is between rm7-9k while the Londinium will probably be in the region of rm12-13k after taking into consideration the freight charges and import duty. Having said that I think the L-1 is well worth the price, IMHO. |
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If you're already at the 11-12k range, that's pretty much an EK-43..
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QUOTE(chiahau @ Feb 22 2016, 07:42 AM) I'm going to Bangkok soon ( give or take 2-3 months from today ) so I might drop him a visit when I'm there Best contact the store or him in advance, you might go home with a great dealThanks again. Gonna read up a little as usual. http://viaitaliana.net At 2-3k budget maybe can get https://www.coffeeitalia.co.uk/proddetail.p...ckmillsuperiore This post has been edited by patryn33: Feb 23 2016, 07:34 AM |
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QUOTE(Genesis73 @ Feb 23 2016, 12:01 AM) I think the Musica is between rm7-9k while the Londinium will probably be in the region of rm12-13k after taking into consideration the freight charges and import duty. Just few k up and get a beauty! May very worth the little extraHaving said that I think the L-1 is well worth the price, IMHO. |
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Hi guys, just want to let you guys know im letting go my oscar nuova simonelli. No time to use. Check out my thread if you guys are looking for a good used coffee machine!.
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3875668 |
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Hi i just wanna ask do sifus here have any recommendation for a french press? Like what brand would be better? Im currently in johor bahru
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QUOTE(Kookie10 @ Feb 25 2016, 08:26 PM) Hi i just wanna ask do sifus here have any recommendation for a french press? Like what brand would be better? Im currently in johor bahru I love my Bodum.Purchased one from SB a few years back and that was my first foray into brewing! http://www.lazada.com.my/bodum-kenya-coffee-8164141.html (IMHO with a French Press, the grind matters more than the press itself.) This post has been edited by AzrinRain: Feb 26 2016, 12:43 AM |
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hey guys, so my breville grinder cant be use anymore due to main grinder broken and there is no spare parts to it, so ive been thinking to replace the grinder with welhome pro grinder from dankoff, can u guys suggest what grinder below rm1k? i choose to buy from dankoff cause if anything happen to the grinder i cant directly go to them.
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QUOTE(sapora @ Feb 27 2016, 07:10 PM) hey guys, so my breville grinder cant be use anymore due to main grinder broken and there is no spare parts to it, so ive been thinking to replace the grinder with welhome pro grinder from dankoff, can u guys suggest what grinder below rm1k? i choose to buy from dankoff cause if anything happen to the grinder i cant directly go to them. i think WPM ZD-16 is not bad , last month i called dankoff and they selling for for 699 if I'm not mistaken. I'm currently using ZD-15 although it can grind consistently fine after some mod but you only need to Top up another RM100 then you can get ZD-16 with more grind setting and with timer setting |
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QUOTE(sapora @ Feb 27 2016, 07:10 PM) hey guys, so my breville grinder cant be use anymore due to main grinder broken and there is no spare parts to it, so ive been thinking to replace the grinder with welhome pro grinder from dankoff, can u guys suggest what grinder below rm1k? i choose to buy from dankoff cause if anything happen to the grinder i cant directly go to them. Pay little more get a 50mm burr macap m2mhttps://www.espressocoffeeshop.com/index.ph...&product_id=777 This post has been edited by patryn33: Feb 28 2016, 11:50 PM |
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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Feb 28 2016, 11:50 PM) Pay little more get a 50mm burr macap m2m Macap M2M On Demand EUR295 = RM1,400https://www.espressocoffeeshop.com/index.ph...&product_id=777 WPM ZD-16 = RM699 That's a 100% difference in price! Does it really give 100% more performance? |
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QUOTE(lowkl @ Feb 29 2016, 09:11 AM) Macap M2M On Demand EUR295 = RM1,400 Dude states significant margin does it mean 2x no ideaWPM ZD-16 = RM699 That's a 100% difference in price! Does it really give 100% more performance? But it's macap 50mm flat vs welhome 35mm conical burr http://www.home-barista.com/grinders/does-...-t31294-30.html Macap better QC and better quality Online it's 220eur or rm$1k+ Too bad in the world of espresso small improvements and price increase not 1:1 relationship. A usd$1200 espresso machine vs usd$9k slayer doesn't mean taste improve by 7x. Not even sure can get 2x the performance. Even hg-one at 7x the cost of zd17, I am sure it 7x the performance. Look at cars same thing, for a little you paying alot This post has been edited by patryn33: Feb 29 2016, 10:32 AM |
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QUOTE(lowkl @ Feb 29 2016, 09:11 AM) Macap M2M On Demand EUR295 = RM1,400 As all things related to technology goes, prices are exponential increases after a certain point of performance.WPM ZD-16 = RM699 That's a 100% difference in price! Does it really give 100% more performance? Also, don't judge on how tasty is one cup vs the other but also how consistent is every cup Sometimes the price increase is exactly about that - make 50 cups, does all of them taste consistently the same when parameters are not changed? (burrs won't heat up, uniformity of grinds...etc) Follow what you need. Are you a 1 cup per day person? Or consistently entertaining guests? Or planning to open a pop-up cafe? Depending on the answer, you should know where to stop investing your money into for increased gains Unless you have too much to spend, which in that case, EK43 bro This post has been edited by ymeng85: Feb 29 2016, 10:52 AM |
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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Feb 29 2016, 10:16 AM) Dude states significant margin does it mean 2x no idea But it's macap 50mm flat vs welhome 35mm conical burr http://www.home-barista.com/grinders/does-...-t31294-30.html Macap better QC and better quality Online it's 220eur or rm$1k+ Too bad in the world of espresso small improvements and price increase not 1:1 relationship. A usd$1200 espresso machine vs usd$9k slayer doesn't mean taste improve by 7x. Not even sure can get 2x the performance. Even hg-one at 7x the cost of zd17, I am sure it 7x the performance. Look at cars same thing, for a little you paying alot QUOTE(ymeng85 @ Feb 29 2016, 10:51 AM) As all things related to technology goes, prices are exponential increases after a certain point of performance. patryn33 & ymeng85;Also, don't judge on how tasty is one cup vs the other but also how consistent is every cup Sometimes the price increase is exactly about that - make 50 cups, does all of them taste consistently the same when parameters are not changed? (burrs won't heat up, uniformity of grinds...etc) Follow what you need. Are you a 1 cup per day person? Or consistently entertaining guests? Or planning to open a pop-up cafe? Depending on the answer, you should know where to stop investing your money into for increased gains Unless you have too much to spend, which in that case, EK43 bro All points valid & concur. The steeply diminishing marginal utility is true in almost everything ... cars, photography, hi-fi, smartphones, etc. For me, I'm always on the lookout for the "hidden gem", off-the-beaten-track option. Once in a while, there are some options that simply don't lie on the price vs quality curve at all... it's just that the lack of branding makes for crazy value-for-money, only if you are willing to look at the option objectively. This is often true with the made-in-China stuff. For too long, these have been synonymous with poor quality rip-offs. However, in certain areas there have been a renaissance; eg. with the Android market, you have Xiaomi, Oppo, Huawei. Now most people look at these brands either neutrally or favourably.....two years ago, the same would have laughed them off. The espresso equipment scene appears to be dictated by the West. There are almost zero objective, side-by-side comparisons/reviews with Asian alternatives. That's why I often challenge the de rigueur choices mooted in this & other forums, unless backed by actual experience or hard facts. |
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Please excuse my limited knowledge on this, but with grinders, you're probably paying more for consistency over time, convenience and quality (again, emphasis on "probably").
Take a Hario grinder as a base. An Aeropress may require a grind at click 6 or 7. But the floating burr design means somewhat inconsistent grinds, and the levels of adjustment may not be as larger a range as a higher tier machine. I mean, what if the recipe calls for click 6.5? Or even 6.75? The real question here is, how would we know if a machine we buy could *actually* produce consistent grinds? Companies can boast all they want, but if we don't have a particle spectrometer on hand, we may never know.. It's really down to those who've had a great deal of time testing these machines (baristas, reviewers, etc). As @ymeng85 mentioned, find one that suits your needs, try to get as much info possible about maybe 3 grinders you like, choose by elimination. Don't forget to factor in serviceability as well. I made a mistake of buying something back then which only had support in the Europe, was a nightmare getting parts. But seriously, if money is of no objection, EK43 haha! |
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QUOTE(lowkl @ Feb 29 2016, 11:40 AM) patryn33 & ymeng85; It's a dream that everybody wants to get hold of, myself included, finding that oh so greatly cheap YET superbly performing product. An underdog, dark knight, love deserving gem All points valid & concur. The steeply diminishing marginal utility is true in almost everything ... cars, photography, hi-fi, smartphones, etc. For me, I'm always on the lookout for the "hidden gem", off-the-beaten-track option. Once in a while, there are some options that simply don't lie on the price vs quality curve at all... it's just that the lack of branding makes for crazy value-for-money, only if you are willing to look at the option objectively. This is often true with the made-in-China stuff. For too long, these have been synonymous with poor quality rip-offs. However, in certain areas there have been a renaissance; eg. with the Android market, you have Xiaomi, Oppo, Huawei. Now most people look at these brands either neutrally or favourably.....two years ago, the same would have laughed them off. The espresso equipment scene appears to be dictated by the West. There are almost zero objective, side-by-side comparisons/reviews with Asian alternatives. That's why I often challenge the de rigueur choices mooted in this & other forums, unless backed by actual experience or hard facts. Very tough to find, big risks(new model/brand or kickstarter) but hugely rewarding when it comes true Maybe once in 4 years.....kinda like today! |
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QUOTE(ymeng85 @ Feb 29 2016, 10:51 AM) As all things related to technology goes, prices are exponential increases after a certain point of performance. well im just a 1 cup per day person only, so i guess zd-16 is enough?Also, don't judge on how tasty is one cup vs the other but also how consistent is every cup Sometimes the price increase is exactly about that - make 50 cups, does all of them taste consistently the same when parameters are not changed? (burrs won't heat up, uniformity of grinds...etc) Follow what you need. Are you a 1 cup per day person? Or consistently entertaining guests? Or planning to open a pop-up cafe? Depending on the answer, you should know where to stop investing your money into for increased gains Unless you have too much to spend, which in that case, EK43 bro |
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QUOTE(ymeng85 @ Feb 29 2016, 04:16 PM) It's a dream that everybody wants to get hold of, myself included, finding that oh so greatly cheap YET superbly performing product. An underdog, dark knight, love deserving gem Go ahead...keep us waiting...Very tough to find, big risks(new model/brand or kickstarter) but hugely rewarding when it comes true Maybe once in 4 years.....kinda like today! |
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IMHO...value for money peaks around 58mm burrs size grinder...for home use this is quite enough...
Breville can't grind light & light-medium beans...Ive not seen welhome so can't comment... |
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QUOTE(lowkl @ Feb 29 2016, 11:40 AM) patryn33 & ymeng85; I think physics limits the performance of a 35mm burr... unless U saying alot of R&D went into it and it produces just as good as those 80mm burr.All points valid & concur. The steeply diminishing marginal utility is true in almost everything ... cars, photography, hi-fi, smartphones, etc. For me, I'm always on the lookout for the "hidden gem", off-the-beaten-track option. Once in a while, there are some options that simply don't lie on the price vs quality curve at all... it's just that the lack of branding makes for crazy value-for-money, only if you are willing to look at the option objectively. This is often true with the made-in-China stuff. For too long, these have been synonymous with poor quality rip-offs. However, in certain areas there have been a renaissance; eg. with the Android market, you have Xiaomi, Oppo, Huawei. Now most people look at these brands either neutrally or favourably.....two years ago, the same would have laughed them off. The espresso equipment scene appears to be dictated by the West. There are almost zero objective, side-by-side comparisons/reviews with Asian alternatives. That's why I often challenge the de rigueur choices mooted in this & other forums, unless backed by actual experience or hard facts. Italian made 1.8L engine vs chinese make space rocket.. I am sure chinese made rocket go faster. if they were to make a 80mm burr and compare with Italian 80mm, there is a good chance they performance on par. but quality depends on QC. phone Xiaomi and huawei is using establish HW and running on open source Android. Chinese use more phones than the west. The west drinks more espresso than east. if U talk tea, East dominates. |
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QUOTE(dwRK @ Feb 29 2016, 08:16 PM) IMHO...value for money peaks around 58mm burrs size grinder...for home use this is quite enough... yes I have to agree many see 58mm enough for $$ vs quality.Breville can't grind light & light-medium beans...Ive not seen welhome so can't comment... QUOTE(dwRK @ Feb 29 2016, 08:28 PM) 2 machines at same burr size! u open for biz@ lowkl, didn't do much research on Welhome they have any 58mm product? This post has been edited by patryn33: Mar 1 2016, 12:06 AM |
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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Mar 1 2016, 12:05 AM) From all the photos I can see, all the Welhome / WPM grinders have conical burrs, so doubtful it will be more than 35mm. A lot of documentation is in Chinese which I don't read, so will have to Google Translate to see if there are any more details. Sigh! Given all the feedback on large burrs being so critical, looks like I will stick to my sub RM 300 600N grinder. Just need to mod it to reduce the ridiculous amount of retained grounds.... |
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of course one can source other PRC stuff HC-600 looks good at 64mm eg http://coffeesnobs.com.au/grinders/14654-feima-grinder.html http://coffeegeek.com/forums/espresso/grinders/559095 http://www.heycafe.com/en/hc-600-odg.html |
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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Mar 1 2016, 12:05 AM) no lah...home use only...bought used for a price I couldn't refuse...one modded doserless for daily poison...other maintained for parties... while both are 64mm...the grind is different...and taste differently also... 64mm is the bread and butter size for café... |
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the small conical 38mm Tre Spade burrs are quite well received...the breville burrs are quite well designed too
the technical problems with these small burrs design are the motor, gear assembly and burr holder, not the burrs...the universal motor uses carbon brush and these wears out over time and its noisy...the motor is small and struggles with harder light, light-medium roasted beans...the gears for speed reduction is noisy...many small parts...if they use plastic gears they break...the metal motor shaft joins a plastic gear and can wear off or break...the burr holders if using cheap plastic can wobble when grinding...the grind adjustment is not that precise... they are short life-cycle product...very fast obsolete...usually 1:1 replacements instead of individual part replacements...cut corners to maintain low price... nothing against these home appliances consumer grinders...just know that some are designed better than others...nothing against people buying them too as we all have to start somewhere... in contrast to commercial grinders designed for reliability...big brushless silent running motor...two industrial bearings...no gears...metal burr holders and grind adjustment...that's it... lets compare value then... say buy cheap grinder @RM1000 and it lasts 10 yrs...so for the next 30 yrs you will buy 3 grinders, spent RM3000 drinking mediocre coffee, or spent RM3000+ one time for a commercial grinder that will last generations...and start drinking excellent coffee NOW... that's why I say...best try to jump straight for a commercial unit... |
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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Mar 1 2016, 03:08 AM) of course one can source other PRC stuff HC-600 looks good at 64mm the feima and heycafe I've seen on local sites...may be available locally but its not that cheap...eg http://coffeesnobs.com.au/grinders/14654-feima-grinder.html http://coffeegeek.com/forums/espresso/grinders/559095 http://www.heycafe.com/en/hc-600-odg.html |
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QUOTE(dwRK @ Mar 1 2016, 08:54 AM) lets compare value then... Coming back to my original question a few posts back....do these lower cost machines objectively produce "mediocre" output, as you put it? Ideally I would prefer to judge for myself through a side-by-side shootout. Of course this does not address the durability issue, but for home users this may not be as much a concern... many of us only pull one to three shots a day. Furthermore our technique & espresso machines may also not be so top-quality so we may not be able to realize the optimum output anyways.say buy cheap grinder @RM1000 and it lasts 10 yrs...so for the next 30 yrs you will buy 3 grinders, spent RM3000 drinking mediocre coffee, or spent RM3000+ one time for a commercial grinder that will last generations...and start drinking excellent coffee NOW... that's why I say...best try to jump straight for a commercial unit... Lastly, while the commercial grinders may last 30 years, there's a distinct possibility I won't.... |
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QUOTE(dwRK @ Mar 1 2016, 08:54 AM) the small conical 38mm Tre Spade burrs are quite well received...the breville burrs are quite well designed too Very technical. Very detailed. So much win in this post the technical problems with these small burrs design are the motor, gear assembly and burr holder, not the burrs...the universal motor uses carbon brush and these wears out over time and its noisy...the motor is small and struggles with harder light, light-medium roasted beans...the gears for speed reduction is noisy...many small parts...if they use plastic gears they break...the metal motor shaft joins a plastic gear and can wear off or break...the burr holders if using cheap plastic can wobble when grinding...the grind adjustment is not that precise... they are short life-cycle product...very fast obsolete...usually 1:1 replacements instead of individual part replacements...cut corners to maintain low price... nothing against these home appliances consumer grinders...just know that some are designed better than others...nothing against people buying them too as we all have to start somewhere... in contrast to commercial grinders designed for reliability...big brushless silent running motor...two industrial bearings...no gears...metal burr holders and grind adjustment...that's it... lets compare value then... say buy cheap grinder @RM1000 and it lasts 10 yrs...so for the next 30 yrs you will buy 3 grinders, spent RM3000 drinking mediocre coffee, or spent RM3000+ one time for a commercial grinder that will last generations...and start drinking excellent coffee NOW... that's why I say...best try to jump straight for a commercial unit... I avoided the temptations of the 50+mm range and went for a used 64mm as well. If only I could work out a doserless mod so that I don't have to use a brush to clear the output channel for every shot |
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QUOTE(lowkl @ Mar 1 2016, 09:40 AM) Coming back to my original question a few posts back....do these lower cost machines objectively produce "mediocre" output, as you put it? Ideally I would prefer to judge for myself through a side-by-side shootout. do you drink charbucks/sanfrancisco/coffeebean/etc? does it tastes ok? if yes then these low cost grinders with fresh beans are a measurable improvements and should get you started nicely... some grinders are better than others, lelit for example is quite good. QUOTE Furthermore our technique & espresso machines may also not be so top-quality so we may not be able to realize the optimum output anyways. here's the thing...why are we in this this hobby? what is it we're trying to achieve? if I have a good grinder/machine and make lousy coffee...I know I screw up, learn from my mistakes and do better next time if I have a lousy grinder/machine and make good coffee...two conclusions (1) I have reached the pinnacle as a barista, (2) I don't know better the question then is...how do I know...(1) or (2)? I know I can't reach the pinnacle starting with lousy grinder/machine because all three...me/grinder/machine are the variables and limiting factor...so for me to improve, I need to be the limiting factor [that means (2) now...where do I stop w.r.t grinders/machines?...that is a discussion for another day... |
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QUOTE(ymeng85 @ Mar 1 2016, 09:43 AM) Very technical. Very detailed. So much win in this post that great...what did you get?I avoided the temptations of the 50+mm range and went for a used 64mm as well. If only I could work out a doserless mod so that I don't have to use a brush to clear the output channel for every shot |
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QUOTE(dwRK @ Mar 1 2016, 12:15 PM) do you drink charbucks/sanfrancisco/coffeebean/etc? does it tastes ok? if yes then these low cost grinders with fresh beans are a measurable improvements and should get you started nicely... some grinders are better than others, lelit for example is quite good. here's the thing...why are we in this this hobby? what is it we're trying to achieve? if I have a good grinder/machine and make lousy coffee...I know I screw up, learn from my mistakes and do better next time if I have a lousy grinder/machine and make good coffee...two conclusions (1) I have reached the pinnacle as a barista, (2) I don't know better the question then is...how do I know...(1) or (2)? I know I can't reach the pinnacle starting with lousy grinder/machine because all three...me/grinder/machine are the variables and limiting factor...so for me to improve, I need to be the limiting factor [that means (2) now...where do I stop w.r.t grinders/machines?...that is a discussion for another day... QUOTE(dwRK @ Mar 1 2016, 12:15 PM) do you drink charbucks/sanfrancisco/coffeebean/etc? does it tastes ok? if yes then these low cost grinders with fresh beans are a measurable improvements and should get you started nicely... Umm, no. IMHO these places produce lower quality cups because most of their workers are not passionate about coffee. I remember going to one some time ago to ask them to grind some beans for French Press and their staff didn't even know what I was talking about. When I described that I wanted coarse, they turned the grinder's dial the wrong way and I ended up with something close to Turkish and pretty much useless......some grinders are better than others, lelit for example is quite good. here's the thing...why are we in this this hobby? what is it we're trying to achieve? if I have a good grinder/machine and make lousy coffee...I know I screw up, learn from my mistakes and do better next time if I have a lousy grinder/machine and make good coffee...two conclusions (1) I have reached the pinnacle as a barista, (2) I don't know better the question then is...how do I know...(1) or (2)? I know I can't reach the pinnacle starting with lousy grinder/machine because all three...me/grinder/machine are the variables and limiting factor...so for me to improve, I need to be the limiting factor [that means (2) now...where do I stop w.r.t grinders/machines?...that is a discussion for another day... It appears that in your point of view, equipment only lies in two categories: - Good - Lousy a.k.a Garbage I understand your rationale to obtain the absolute best equipment you can afford; this way the only limiting factors are the beans & your ability. However, as earlier agreed by a lot of people, paying twice the price seldom gives you twice the value/quality. I'm absolutely sure that spending RM3000+ on a grinder will get you a very good/fantastic grinder. But I'm looking for objective proof that spending RM1000 or even less can only delivery lousy/garbage output. |
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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Mar 1 2016, 01:02 PM) Got my 58mm from a cafe using to serve decaf ...58mm is the standard for decaf...it's true Nearly got the super jolly since it's just usd$200 but too big, still dreaming of my hg one. No luck this year too many expenses. The SJ can fit under cabinet...without the tall hopper...I bought the mini hopper for it though... |
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Yup...that's the one!!!
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QUOTE(dwRK @ Mar 1 2016, 02:48 PM) Yup...that's the one!!! Yea, did that the first time i got it. Lots of sticky stuff from the cafe grinding oily beans. Also flushed with rice and some cheap beans before I even dared to taste a shot hahaTry to dismantle and do a deep cleaning...especially the doser...and the burrs...it can be very nasty with used stuff.... Enjoy p/s This was a year back |
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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Mar 1 2016, 01:02 PM) Got my 58mm from a cafe using to serve decaf isn't the hg one taller vs SJ without hopper Nearly got the super jolly since it's just usd$200 but too big, still dreaming of my hg one. No luck this year too many expenses. anyway, I passed on 4 opportunities now wish I hadn't... used major and sj together for US$200...I was thinking what to do with the major...should have sold it for $300, keep the sj and $100 pocket money... obsolete gaggia HX lever...I actually bought it...the seller called and say he wanted it back and if I would reconsider and I did...bugger turn around later and sold it for $100 more... used bosco two group for $1200...it was on a pallet and I was thinking how to get it into the apartment...real stupid of me... new ek43...I was part of the HB high end grinder group buy...very very very deep discount off US dealer price...not retail...dealer price...I pulled out last minute thinking why I need another grinder... oh well... This post has been edited by dwRK: Mar 1 2016, 04:20 PM |
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QUOTE(lowkl @ Mar 1 2016, 01:04 PM) It appears that in your point of view, equipment only lies in two categories: correct...the opposite of good is bad...bad means lousy (my choice of word)...I want good, why settle for average? - Good - Lousy a.k.a Garbage I understand your rationale to obtain the absolute best equipment you can afford; this way the only limiting factors are the beans & your ability. However, as earlier agreed by a lot of people, paying twice the price seldom gives you twice the value/quality. I'm absolutely sure that spending RM3000+ on a grinder will get you a very good/fantastic grinder. But I'm looking for objective proof that spending RM1000 or even less can only delivery lousy/garbage output. objectivity can be measured and has been done...subjectivity has also been done through consensus blind testing...you can check the very old home barista threads... how big a difference between the cheap and expensive grinders...seriously depends on the beans you put through them...not just the grinder... i find my breville cannot grind some of these properly...all light, light medium roasts harder beans such as from guatamala, costa rica, egypt, etc. also some medium, medium dark softer Indonesian...beans too soft, and a few others more...taste comparison for these are my night and day. same beans that I can choke my machine using my 64mm flows through in 20 secs using the finest setting in the breville...find a well behave beans that works...like brazil, panama, some guatamala, etc. then the differences is small and palatable... i'm just sharing what i've been through...you are of course most welcome to experience it first hand |
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Hi all, I am new in making espresso and recently bought a Breville BES870. Tried a few shots for the past 3 weeks and the result is not consistent. I would like to ask some questions and prefer to talk through phone with someone experience that can share their experience. Hope friends here can help. Thanks.
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QUOTE(dwRK @ Mar 1 2016, 04:17 PM) isn't the hg one taller vs SJ without hopper SJ is shorter but I didn't think to use it without the hopper, just got into coffee then so very blur.anyway, I passed on 4 opportunities now wish I hadn't... used major and sj together for US$200...I was thinking what to do with the major...should have sold it for $300, keep the sj and $100 pocket money Got your major and sj used so cheap! U could have sold or edu these ppl they are good machines under rm$1k over some Chinese brands at great value |
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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Mar 1 2016, 09:56 PM) SJ is shorter but I didn't think to use it without the hopper, just got into coffee then so very blur. passed...means didn't buy Got your major and sj used so cheap! U could have sold or edu these ppl they are good machines under rm$1k over some Chinese brands at great value Actually I passed on many commercial 1 group too...like appia 2, feama, izzo, around the us$1300 mark...but it's OK lah...the home is no place for a 4 liter boiler Anyway...enough bragging...past is past...let's get back to coffee... This post has been edited by dwRK: Mar 1 2016, 10:47 PM |
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Hey all, just got into brewing coffee using V60. Now have a basic set (v60 size 01 + hario skerton).
I just finished my first 200gm of guatemala beans got from Coffea Coffee (it is close to my place) but I hope to find a more economic one - it was RM48 for 200gm if not mistaken. Anyone can recommend where can I get decent fresh roasted coffee beans in PJ/KL area? or with delivery? Hopefully can get beans around RM30-40 per 200~250gm. |
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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Mar 1 2016, 10:46 PM) It's not that i don't want to tell...it's difficult and impractical for most local folks to do...since you ask...EBay USA...good condition grinders are hard to get...I hunted more than 9 months everyday...the moon and stars must line up for you and needs a buy it now posting. You wait 10 mins it's gone...you also need to do your homework to know how much to bid or price to offer...some stuff is not worth getting. Some stuff you need to fix. Then there's the 110v, credit card/bank account/home address. Next how to get it back to Malaysia... EBay UK...easy to find good condition grinders...but you need to know how to search...some of the brands are rebadged and named differently...the British mostly prefers pick-up not courier...so how to get the item? Same problems with payment and shipment. Craig's list...lots of crooks...occasionally some gems...sometimes direct postings...sometimes indirect postings like estate sales, business for sale, etc. Charity shops are another place to hunt... Hence for overseas purchases...I prefer your suggestions instead just get new from the espressocoffeeshop in Italy, Londonium, etc., as I know of successful trades and easier to manage for normal folks. |
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QUOTE(zellleonhart @ Mar 1 2016, 11:07 PM) Hey all, just got into brewing coffee using V60. Now have a basic set (v60 size 01 + hario skerton). You could try Bean ShipperI just finished my first 200gm of guatemala beans got from Coffea Coffee (it is close to my place) but I hope to find a more economic one - it was RM48 for 200gm if not mistaken. Anyone can recommend where can I get decent fresh roasted coffee beans in PJ/KL area? or with delivery? Hopefully can get beans around RM30-40 per 200~250gm. From there, you could reverse-search roasters who are near you to get fresh(er) beans and you could ask them about what their roasts taste like. Been buying beans there, roast dates are usually within 1-2 days, delivery by PosLaju. Hope it helps! This post has been edited by AzrinRain: Mar 1 2016, 11:57 PM |
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QUOTE(zellleonhart @ Mar 1 2016, 11:07 PM) Hey all, just got into brewing coffee using V60. Now have a basic set (v60 size 01 + hario skerton). You can try Antipodean Cafe.I just finished my first 200gm of guatemala beans got from Coffea Coffee (it is close to my place) but I hope to find a more economic one - it was RM48 for 200gm if not mistaken. Anyone can recommend where can I get decent fresh roasted coffee beans in PJ/KL area? or with delivery? Hopefully can get beans around RM30-40 per 200~250gm. |
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QUOTE(dwRK @ Mar 1 2016, 11:43 PM) It's not that i don't want to tell...it's difficult and impractical for most local folks to do...since you ask... local folks kinda limited then especially they do not want to buy overseas.EBay USA...good condition grinders are hard to get...I hunted more than 9 months everyday...the moon and stars must line up for you and needs a buy it now posting. You wait 10 mins it's gone...you also need to do your homework to know how much to bid or price to offer...some stuff is not worth getting. Some stuff you need to fix. Then there's the 110v, credit card/bank account/home address. Next how to get it back to Malaysia... EBay UK...easy to find good condition grinders...but you need to know how to search...some of the brands are rebadged and named differently...the British mostly prefers pick-up not courier...so how to get the item? Same problems with payment and shipment. Craig's list...lots of crooks...occasionally some gems...sometimes direct postings...sometimes indirect postings like estate sales, business for sale, etc. Charity shops are another place to hunt... Hence for overseas purchases...I prefer your suggestions instead just get new from the espressocoffeeshop in Italy, Londonium, etc., as I know of successful trades and easier to manage for normal folks. I still thought u can get great deals locally and quote me in USD since i quote in USD to make easy comparison. LOL |
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QUOTE(dwRK @ Mar 1 2016, 04:24 PM) started this bag today...1st try very lucky 16g hit all the espresso parameters...nice normal crema...as an espresso...tasted very smooth...low acidity low bitterness...but not much aroma not much sweetness...to be honest not very interesting...perhaps its my off day as a caps...predominantly milk chocolate...hard to discern much else... dried residuals from the cups doesn't have much aroma either maybe the mrs will like it...can't say I fancy this for now...maybe try again later or tomorrow starting with a ristretto and piccolo...968g to go... |
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QUOTE(dwRK @ Mar 2 2016, 09:33 AM) started this bag today...1st try very lucky 16g hit all the espresso parameters...nice normal crema... Thanks for sharing. Given the amount, what's your method of keeping the beans fresh?as an espresso...tasted very smooth...low acidity low bitterness...but not much aroma not much sweetness...to be honest not very interesting...perhaps its my off day as a caps...predominantly milk chocolate...hard to discern much else... dried residuals from the cups doesn't have much aroma either maybe the mrs will like it...can't say I fancy this for now...maybe try again later or tomorrow starting with a ristretto and piccolo...968g to go... |
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QUOTE(lowkl @ Mar 2 2016, 09:53 AM) I split to smaller bags and freeze them. I go through 1kg about 3 weeks...so it's not kept that long anywayI found freezing better than leaving outside. I can't discern much thawed vs fresh...but the beans I feel get stale faster after defrost which I compensate with dosing and finish them quickly There's much discussion about freezing...I'm picking the lesser of two evils Coffex packs these blends for cafes...so mostly 1kg bag...and they are quite fresh...Single origins they pack smaller 250g I think but they sell them expensive and can be a bit stale...the SO are mostly roasted light-medium for pourovers This post has been edited by dwRK: Mar 2 2016, 10:46 AM |
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QUOTE(dwRK @ Mar 2 2016, 10:45 AM) I split to smaller bags and freeze them. I go through 1kg about 3 weeks...so it's not kept that long anyway Thanks for sharing. I found freezing better than leaving outside. I can't discern much thawed vs fresh...but the beans I feel get stale faster after defrost which I compensate with dosing and finish them quickly There's much discussion about freezing...I'm picking the lesser of two evils Coffex packs these blends for cafes...so mostly 1kg bag...and they are quite fresh...Single origins they pack smaller 250g I think but they sell them expensive and can be a bit stale...the SO are mostly roasted light-medium for pourovers My usage is also about a kilo every 3 to 4 weeks, which I get in one go (two 500gm bags) from Mister Coffee... to eliminate shipping costs. I've been trying bagging the beans in smaller bags (about 120gm per bag) then pressing out any air. They degas slightly over the next few days then reach a stable state. This way I use up an open bag within 3 to 4 days. I am still trying to find a practical / cost effective vacuum sealer to really eliminate any oxygen in the bag. So far this approach appears to be OK.... still tastes good even at the tail-end of the month. Will experiment with freezing as per your practice. |
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QUOTE(zellleonhart @ Mar 1 2016, 11:07 PM) Hey all, just got into brewing coffee using V60. Now have a basic set (v60 size 01 + hario skerton). I'm a small time roaster, can help you out as well. I'll PM you detailsI just finished my first 200gm of guatemala beans got from Coffea Coffee (it is close to my place) but I hope to find a more economic one - it was RM48 for 200gm if not mistaken. Anyone can recommend where can I get decent fresh roasted coffee beans in PJ/KL area? or with delivery? Hopefully can get beans around RM30-40 per 200~250gm. |
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As for me, it's simply keeping them in a cool, dry and dark place. And also buying 250gm x2 packs a month.
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so i called dankoff and they sell welhome zd-16 around rm800 and simonelli grinta rm1325. hmmm is simonelli good??
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coffee scene picking up, many keys user sini (>1kg a month). Later go through.
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QUOTE(sapora @ Mar 2 2016, 06:25 PM) so i called dankoff and they sell welhome zd-16 around rm800 and simonelli grinta rm1325. hmmm is simonelli good?? Grinta is so-so. Plastic body. Save up, go to MCF, solid iron body, 50mm flat burr i think, micro-metric stepless. Stepless is the way to go, i find myself micro adjusting since coffee needs diff grind for diff beans, diff age. |
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If anyone at penang area wana regularly share 50:50 of their purchase of 1 kg fresh roasted beans, can pm me. U order & we share. I also dont mind if i order & share with u. My consumption is 1kg per month. I dont like to use same beans origin for a month duration. It is not fresh 2nd week onward
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QUOTE(ymeng85 @ Mar 2 2016, 09:11 PM) Friendly staff, liking them already.Sat down with them for something like 45 mins chatting about Aeropress brew methods and grinders. Will definitely come back for more. They sell freshly roasted beans too! |
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QUOTE(lowkl @ Feb 22 2016, 10:48 AM) LazyJin; can share your experience with the Breville grinder (which I'm guessing is the BCG820) as well as your commercial grinder (brand,model, where you got it, how much)? Soz, haven't been on here almost 2 weeks. Yes I've got a Breville BCG820 which I used for Aeropress for 6 months, and now use a Fiorenzato F4e Nano for espresso, from Coffex, around 3k I think. Breville served me well, until I started espresso and just couldn't get the consistency I wanted. It's now cleaned up and stored for the rare occasion I whip it out for an Aeropress The Fiorenzato is what the rest here have said is the sweet spot, 58mm flat burr, doserless. There's still retention, but with my routine of brushing and forcing air through the top using my palm, much less retention vs the Breville. Less clumpy too. Here's a shot before tamping : Attached thumbnail(s) |
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QUOTE(ymeng85 @ Mar 2 2016, 01:16 PM) +1 I'm getting my fortnightly supply from Meng too. He's from Penang but ships too. QUOTE(dwRK @ Mar 2 2016, 10:45 AM) I found freezing better than leaving outside. I can't discern much thawed vs fresh...but the beans I feel get stale faster after defrost which I compensate with dosing and finish them quickly +1. Fellow freezer as well, but I use recycled glass jars. You're right about them staling faster, I try to finish mine in 3 days after taking out from freezer.There's much discussion about freezing...I'm picking the lesser of two evils |
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QUOTE(LazyJin @ Mar 2 2016, 11:14 PM) Soz, haven't been on here almost 2 weeks. Yes I've got a Breville BCG820 which I used for Aeropress for 6 months, and now use a Fiorenzato F4e Nano for espresso, from Coffex, around 3k I think. This pic looks very familiar..... Breville served me well, until I started espresso and just couldn't get the consistency I wanted. It's now cleaned up and stored for the rare occasion I whip it out for an Aeropress The Fiorenzato is what the rest here have said is the sweet spot, 58mm flat burr, doserless. There's still retention, but with my routine of brushing and forcing air through the top using my palm, much less retention vs the Breville. Less clumpy too. Here's a shot before tamping : |
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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Jan 28 2016, 01:15 AM) ppl in SG have bought grinder from them no issue. I can attest to the fact that yes, customs at the airport will slap you with 30% when you enter the country carrying a box of any machines ie coffee machine or grinders. I kena tahan when I carried in my giotto. Lucky I kena RM100.00 only 😁😁😁chances of a defective machine low, very low. as for customs tax.. 30%?? where did u get the info? GST/VAT plus import tax is like 12-15%. still cheaper than what u find locally.. of course when they unreasonable 30% is ouch! http://tariff.customs.gov.my/ from here its just 10%. https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/841985 wouldn't ppl getting from taobao be chop here and there.. U just not comfortable buying online. I am kinda used to in my society.. else amazon not seeing crazy market. lol This post has been edited by dleonorasalma: Mar 7 2016, 12:14 PM |
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QUOTE(dleonorasalma @ Mar 7 2016, 12:13 PM) I can attest to the fact that yes, customs at the airport will slap you with 30% when you enter the country carrying a box of any machines ie coffee machine or grinders. I kena tahan when I carried in my giotto. Lucky I kena RM100.00 only 😁😁😁 $100 is 30% of Giotto? |
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I just bought a Macap M4 doser version online from EspressoCoffeeShop.com around RM 1700 including shipping. Will let you all know how much is the tax. According to my research, if it fall under hot beverage making machine, the tax should be 0% + 6% GST. I might buy a timer relay to turn it into doserless version as M4D is so damn expensive compare to M4.
Update: Got the tax total. It is 20% + 6% for Tea and Coffee making machine. It seems like 0%+6% is only valid if you run food and beverage business and import for business use. This post has been edited by pierreye: Mar 8 2016, 02:50 PM |
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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Mar 7 2016, 09:23 PM) It should've been way higher. After lil bit of questioning ie "eh how come before takde pun kena tax, when I bawak masok toasters, mixers, etc for personal use?", and a lil bit of begging "tolong la banggg, tak tau"; he asked if I'd be ok to pay RM100.00. So I cepat-cepat agreed to pay that amount. I guess that's just for formality lah. Cos the custom's rule indicates that any electronics item will be imposed 30% from the price of the item. Nasib baik he's a reasonable fella. Phew! 😅 This post has been edited by dleonorasalma: Mar 8 2016, 06:53 PM |
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QUOTE(pierreye @ Mar 8 2016, 08:12 AM) I just bought a Macap M4 doser version online from EspressoCoffeeShop.com around RM 1700 including shipping. Will let you all know how much is the tax. According to my research, if it fall under hot beverage making machine, the tax should be 0% + 6% GST. I might buy a timer relay to turn it into doserless version as M4D is so damn expensive compare to M4. So it's about RM 1300 for grinder & RM 400 for shipping. Update: Got the tax total. It is 20% + 6% for Tea and Coffee making machine. It seems like 0%+6% is only valid if you run food and beverage business and import for business use. How they tax? On total or grinder? |
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Tax always based on total. Plus agent fee Rm50, total tax around rm 500. Still cheaper compare to Amazon price.
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I'm not sure about local pricing but if based on my experience, the price locally really cut throat. Last year I ask about Baratza Encore and quoted close to RM 1k. In the end, I get a Porlex to try out first. The only brand that I feel that is price reasonable compare to oversea is Breville.
I'm not so worry about the Macap grinder as based on review the build quality is very good plus any problem seems to be user repairable. I'm quite capable of swapping component and done some diy stuff such as adding PID to the espresso machine. If anyone who is not comfortable to get their hand dirty should buy locally. This post has been edited by pierreye: Mar 8 2016, 11:55 PM |
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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Mar 8 2016, 11:32 PM) Still cheaper than buying locally? By how much? Don't know anything about local availability and price...it's same burr class as K3 so assuming similar pricing then I guess savings about RM 1k which is quite good.Ppl worry about tax and warranty of savings isn't substantial, but what is substantial? |
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Dankoff quoted mignon rm1850. Is it okay? Worth it??
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Did anyone attend the Malaysian Aeropress Championships a few days ago?
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QUOTE(pierreye @ Mar 9 2016, 11:36 AM) What's is the diff mk1 vs mk2? On eureka just mignonBuy the NS MCF same machine diff brand it's cheaper in Europe. But in USA eureka cost more than NS. http://www.elektros.it/sk/en/coffee_grinde...i-mcf-nero.html This post has been edited by patryn33: Mar 9 2016, 12:06 PM |
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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Mar 9 2016, 12:03 PM) What's is the diff mk1 vs mk2? On eureka just mignon but have to buy it online?? scared if the grinder will not arrive.hahaaBuy the NS MCF same machine diff brand it's cheaper in Europe. But in USA eureka cost more than NS. http://www.elektros.it/sk/en/coffee_grinde...i-mcf-nero.html |
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QUOTE(sapora @ Mar 9 2016, 12:09 PM) You scared then buy at retail store. Local biz happy they earn your biz and you get to sleep like a baby I am living in a Econ which is based on e-sales. Local biz such as circuit city, sports authority went bankrupt. This post has been edited by patryn33: Mar 9 2016, 01:03 PM |
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interesting info regarding some coffee machine running at higher than 9 bar is not wrong but on purpose. I think this is due to the tiny vibe pump to compensate for the pressure loss due to lower volume moving thru the piping and brew head compare to big commercial rotary pump.
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QUOTE(pierreye @ Mar 10 2016, 03:32 PM) interesting info regarding some coffee machine running at higher than 9 bar is not wrong but on purpose. I think this is due to the tiny vibe pump to compensate for the pressure loss due to lower volume moving thru the piping and brew head compare to big commercial rotary pump. Not really pressure loss but rather to match the flow rate of the bigger rotary pumpshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4y4-E2aL3U Vibe @9bar pumps 35 liters/hr but Rotary @9 bar pumps 100 liters/hr So they up the Vibe to 11 bars to hit the similiar 100 liters/hr What I don't get is when you hit resistance, what does that mean? Once the portafilter has completely filled up with water, the flow rate does not matter anymore right? Cos I would think a 11bar pressure, even from a smaller pump is going to be able to pump through that overdosed puck rather than the 9bar bigger pump. Anybody? This post has been edited by ymeng85: Mar 10 2016, 04:42 PM |
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Need to dig out my thermodynamic book from Uni. You need to look at the relationship between pressure, flow rate and resistance.
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QUOTE(pierreye @ Mar 10 2016, 05:11 PM) Need to dig out my thermodynamic book from Uni. You need to look at the relationship between pressure, flow rate and resistance. Not thermo...go check fluids dynamics. On pumps...vibe pumps are plunger pumps...rotary are vane pumps...the slayer uses gear pumps...go check how these work. |
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QUOTE(ymeng85 @ Mar 10 2016, 04:41 PM) Not really pressure loss but rather to match the flow rate of the bigger rotary pumps No to the 1st & 2nd para. Go check out the flow vs pressure graphs.Vibe @9bar pumps 35 liters/hr but Rotary @9 bar pumps 100 liters/hr So they up the Vibe to 11 bars to hit the similiar 100 liters/hr What I don't get is when you hit resistance, what does that mean? Once the portafilter has completely filled up with water, the flow rate does not matter anymore right? Cos I would think a 11bar pressure, even from a smaller pump is going to be able to pump through that overdosed puck rather than the 9bar bigger pump. Anybody? On the 3rd...think about what happens to the grounds throughout the 30 sec... |
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QUOTE(dwRK @ Mar 10 2016, 06:12 PM) Not thermo...go check fluids dynamics. Yeah. You are right. Thermodynamic is the study of energy conversion and use in design of heat exchanger and distillation column. Been 20 years. Anyway, I'm waiting for variable SSR to experiment with pressure/flow profiling on the pump.On pumps...vibe pumps are plunger pumps...rotary are vane pumps...the slayer uses gear pumps...go check how these work. This post has been edited by pierreye: Mar 10 2016, 10:11 PM |
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QUOTE(dwRK @ Mar 10 2016, 06:21 PM) No to the 1st & 2nd para. Go check out the flow vs pressure graphs. Would be interesting. Got a link of the graph?On the 3rd...think about what happens to the grounds throughout the 30 sec... QUOTE(pierreye @ Mar 10 2016, 10:11 PM) Yeah. You are right. Thermodynamic is the study of energy conversion and use in design of heat exchanger and distillation column. Been 20 years. Anyway, I'm waiting for variable SSR to experiment with pressure/flow profiling on the pump. Now I'm just shooting random ideas out but couldn't you just PWM the motor to try to reduce the speed without affecting torque? |
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QUOTE(pierreye @ Mar 10 2016, 10:11 PM) Yeah. You are right. Thermodynamic is the study of energy conversion and use in design of heat exchanger and distillation column. Been 20 years. Anyway, I'm waiting for variable SSR to experiment with pressure/flow profiling on the pump. Hey No need to wait...just go try the light dimmer or fan controller...I've done it and after some time can't be bothered...needs too much attention...but don't let me put you off...go try... |
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QUOTE(ymeng85 @ Mar 10 2016, 11:00 PM) Would be interesting. Got a link of the graph? Yes. I have been thinking about either PWM or voltage but it seems that because vibe pump is running at 50hz (pump cycle running twice in each AC wave cycle meaning moving in/out 100 times per second), I'm not sure how PWM will affect the pump. Plus most PWM module from ebay are for DC motor, not AC so I still need a SSR as a relay to turn on/off the pump. I just try out with variable SSR as it's the easier alternative.Now I'm just shooting random ideas out but couldn't you just PWM the motor to try to reduce the speed without affecting torque? |
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QUOTE(dwRK @ Mar 11 2016, 06:30 AM) Hey Yeah. If every time need manual intervention it is kind of troublesome. I'm thinking if it does make a positive differences, I'll put in a timer relay module to automatically switch between different resistance like first 10 sec for low pressure pre infusion then only ramp up to high pressure.No need to wait...just go try the light dimmer or fan controller...I've done it and after some time can't be bothered...needs too much attention...but don't let me put you off...go try... |
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QUOTE(pierreye @ Mar 11 2016, 07:38 AM) Yeah. If every time need manual intervention it is kind of troublesome. I'm thinking if it does make a positive differences, I'll put in a timer relay module to automatically switch between different resistance like first 10 sec for low pressure pre infusion then only ramp up to high pressure. check this out....http://www.decentespresso.com/de1 |
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QUOTE(ymeng85 @ Mar 10 2016, 11:00 PM) Would be interesting. Got a link of the graph? here you go...knock yourself out... Now I'm just shooting random ideas out but couldn't you just PWM the motor to try to reduce the speed without affecting torque? http://www.fluidotech.it/Pages/application...D_APPLICATION=4 http://www.cemegroup.com/solenoid-pumps |
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QUOTE(dwRK @ Mar 11 2016, 08:14 AM) Woah. Never thought I would see a tablet mounted on an espresso machine. In fact I'm in a dilemma on the next upgrade if I have an itch. Either get a BES920 which had lots of control for end user but might had a reliability issue in long run which is not user repairable or get a HX machine but loose out the control part.This post has been edited by pierreye: Mar 11 2016, 11:14 AM |
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Any knows where can I get hario v60 filter paper for the lowest price possible? So far I found the cheapest is RM20 at Pulp by papa palheta, while online shops have 19~22 excluding shipping fee.
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QUOTE(zellleonhart @ Mar 11 2016, 05:38 PM) Any knows where can I get hario v60 filter paper for the lowest price possible? So far I found the cheapest is RM20 at Pulp by papa palheta, while online shops have 19~22 excluding shipping fee. you can get it at Parkson or I-setan, only RM9.50 for hario V60 02 filter paper Daiso one doesn't have the exact v60 shape filter paper. So if anyone knows kindly enlighten This post has been edited by wadthehellz: Mar 11 2016, 06:49 PM |
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Hey, everyone !
Since everyone here are coffee enthusiast, I would like to ask would anyone here be interested in Coffee Cupping Session? I'm trying to help my friend to build his cafe business here in KL. He has a huge collection variety of imported green beans (the one I knows from Honduras, Guatemala, Kenya, Ethiopia) which he roast it in-house ! Edit: Here are a few beans to name a few. There are more :- Brazil Santos SC 17/18 Brazil yellow Bourbon Fazenda Dutra Jatoba Brazil Natural Fazenda Lago Azul Ethiopia Washed Sidamo G1 Ethiopia Amaro Gayo Ethiopia Washed MOCCA Yirgacheffe G2/G1 Kenya AA Kenya AB El Salvador San Alonso Honduras - Finca El Manzano Columbia Excelso Huila Garzon Columbia Supremo Guatemala San Vincente This post has been edited by MSA: Mar 15 2016, 05:47 PM |
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What is a cupping session? Something like tasting?
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QUOTE(MSA @ Mar 15 2016, 05:36 PM) Hey, everyone ! That's so fun! How I wish it's in PGSince everyone here are coffee enthusiast, I would like to ask would anyone here be interested in Coffee Cupping Session? I'm trying to help my friend to build his cafe business here in KL. He has a huge collection variety of imported green beans (the one I knows from Honduras, Guatemala, Kenya, Ethiopia) which he roast it in-house ! I'm always very supportive of independent cafes that are very coffee centric and getting hands dirty in the entire process |
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May I know where can I buy aeropress. Thanks
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Hi all coffee Sifu...
I'm a newbie here... drink pretty much espresso..... my krups 5200 series just dead on me after serving me for 4 years, need an replacement.... was looking for Gaggia Classic.... then this Phomia and EC156 both attract my attention... but the portafilter haunt me a little.... so, may i know if what is your suggestion ? was thinking to get a EC156+naked portafilter, i know this is like fixing a honda accord engine in proton chassis... anyway, would really appreciate your input.... am from JB, Breville 870 is asking for 3800RM in JB... what the..... so, please sprinkle your holy water, i need your enlightenment |
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QUOTE(ymeng85 @ Mar 15 2016, 11:09 PM) That's so fun! How I wish it's in PG Tq Tq .... we've just started only, cuz we don't see anyone in KL having a public cupping session.I'm always very supportive of independent cafes that are very coffee centric and getting hands dirty in the entire process QUOTE(max_cjs0101 @ Mar 15 2016, 10:19 PM) Coffee cupping, or coffee tasting, is the practice of observing & evaluating the tastes and aromas of newly brewed coffee beans. There is no right or wrong answer in this, and every individual has very different answers on how each bean taste. It will be an enjoyable experience for all coffee lover. We are trying to make the brochure and will upload it here once we have finalized the design. Tentatively it will be on the 28th this month. Will confirm . |
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QUOTE(cameldog @ Mar 16 2016, 07:44 AM) Hi all coffee Sifu... If you want to get BES870, Lazada price with Maybank credit card discount can get around RM 3k. As for Gaggia Classic, I think quite expensive if cost more than RM 2k. Plus I would want to install PID in it which will jack up the price for another RM 200 (get Sestos PID from ebay, plus 12v DC transformer if you want to use the alarm for steam control and some diode).I'm a newbie here... drink pretty much espresso..... my krups 5200 series just dead on me after serving me for 4 years, need an replacement.... was looking for Gaggia Classic.... then this Phomia and EC156 both attract my attention... but the portafilter haunt me a little.... so, may i know if what is your suggestion ? was thinking to get a EC156+naked portafilter, i know this is like fixing a honda accord engine in proton chassis... anyway, would really appreciate your input.... am from JB, Breville 870 is asking for 3800RM in JB... what the..... so, please sprinkle your holy water, i need your enlightenment |
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just want to ask suggestion for coffee beans at the price range between rm25-rm35.im new coffee lover and now switching from pre ground to fresh beans.i dont have any machine at house and using pour over and french press method.as for the grinding,which is suitable for both method? fine or coarse? |
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QUOTE(Bujal.x @ Mar 17 2016, 02:36 PM) hi everybody, you have a burr hand grinder right?just want to ask suggestion for coffee beans at the price range between rm25-rm35.im new coffee lover and now switching from pre ground to fresh beans.i dont have any machine at house and using pour over and french press method.as for the grinding,which is suitable for both method? fine or coarse? For a french press/pour over you probably want your grind to be course |
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QUOTE(aizuddinmanap @ Mar 17 2016, 03:11 PM) you have a burr hand grinder right? thanks bang .any effect on the taste if i pre-ground the coffee bean 5-6 hours before hot water added? my plan is to grind the coffee at night and 1st thing after i woke up is the coffee with minimal time for the preparation.For a french press/pour over you probably want your grind to be course |
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QUOTE(Bujal.x @ Mar 17 2016, 03:18 PM) ...any effect on the taste if i pre-ground the coffee bean 5-6 hours before hot water added? my plan is to grind the coffee at night and 1st thing after i woke up is the coffee with minimal time for the preparation. Conventional wisdom is yes; supposedly you grind just prior to brewing (some people even set a 15 second limit!).Why don't you test it out on a weekend when you have some extra time? Pre-grind a small batch the night before, then fresh grind another batch and make two cups. For french press, I read some article saying that if you use a very fine sieve to remove some of the fines after course grinding, it tastes much better. Experiment!! |
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QUOTE(lowkl @ Mar 17 2016, 03:42 PM) Conventional wisdom is yes; supposedly you grind just prior to brewing (some people even set a 15 second limit!). Will do. And hopefully my lousy taste bud can feel the difference 😂Why don't you test it out on a weekend when you have some extra time? Pre-grind a small batch the night before, then fresh grind another batch and make two cups. For french press, I read some article saying that if you use a very fine sieve to remove some of the fines after course grinding, it tastes much better. Experiment!! |
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Hi all the coffee lovers, I am planning to get a WPM KD 210 S2, any recommendation on the coffee grinder? Budget for grinder maybe around 1500. Thanks
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QUOTE(Bujal.x @ Mar 17 2016, 02:36 PM) hi everybody, I also newbie here, correct me if I am wrongjust want to ask suggestion for coffee beans at the price range between rm25-rm35.im new coffee lover and now switching from pre ground to fresh beans.i dont have any machine at house and using pour over and french press method.as for the grinding,which is suitable for both method? fine or coarse? I know that fine grinding is not suitable for french press, as it will clog the filter, your coffee will stuck under the filter and cannot pour out. (of cause, it depends how fine the coffee powder) For pour over, fine grinding some how very easy to over extract, so the time and the flow of water is very important. This post has been edited by user5092: Mar 18 2016, 02:58 PM |
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QUOTE(user5092 @ Mar 18 2016, 02:56 PM) I also newbie here, correct me if I am wrong While convenience and ease of "press" is also a factor, the actual reason behind the grind sizes is more of a matter of controlling extraction and ultimately, tasteI know that fine grinding is not suitable for french press, as it will clog the filter, your coffee will stuck under the filter and cannot pour out. (of cause, it depends how fine the coffee powder) For pour over, fine grinding some how very easy to over extract, so the time and the flow of water is very important. French Press and Aeropress are considered immersion technique brewers where coffee grounds are fully submerged in water for a period of time. This method actually provides higher extraction than a pour over method like those of V60, Clever or Kalita Wave However, since the Aeropress comes with a fine filter (mesh or paper) this allows you to use finer grinds and thus a shorter brew time (1-2mins Aeropress vs 5-6mins French Press) Hope this helps a little to understand the reason behind the grind size choices of the different brew methods and not just memorize them by hard EDIT: I might be wrong about immersion vs pour over about extraction. Seems like pour over is better at extracting more compared to immersion. Still, the theory behind extraction rate and grind size still applies https://www.pilotcoffeeroasters.com/blogs/t...p-vs-immersion- This post has been edited by ymeng85: Mar 18 2016, 09:56 PM |
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QUOTE(user5092 @ Mar 18 2016, 02:50 PM) Hi all the coffee lovers, I am planning to get a WPM KD 210 S2, any recommendation on the coffee grinder? Budget for grinder maybe around 1500. Thanks For under RM 1500, you can check out Breville Smart grinder pro BCG820. But there are reported problem with the gear stripping when grinding very hard bean (especially lightly roasted bean). I'm not sure if there are new revision to the hardware but you better check out the review especially in year 2016.This post has been edited by pierreye: Mar 18 2016, 11:08 PM |
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QUOTE(user5092 @ Mar 18 2016, 02:50 PM) Hi all the coffee lovers, I am planning to get a WPM KD 210 S2, any recommendation on the coffee grinder? Budget for grinder maybe around 1500. Thanks Read from this page, provide good info on your budget at great dealhttps://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3830783/+360 |
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QUOTE(pierreye @ Mar 18 2016, 11:07 PM) For under RM 1500, you can check out Breville Smart grinder pro BCG820. But there are reported problem with the gear stripping when grinding very hard bean (especially lightly roasted bean). I'm not sure if there are new revision to the hardware but you better check out the review especially in year 2016. 40mm burr, maybe better off getting the mignon at 50mm or the one u bought since budget around 1500. Not sure how much around is aroundhttp://coffeeforums.co.uk/showthread.php?2...nder-Pro-BCG820 |
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Could anyone recommend a great dripper for travel uses?
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QUOTE(AzrinRain @ Mar 20 2016, 01:37 AM) What is s great dripper?This? http://www.clivecoffee.com/product/hario_v...r_white_02.html? |
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@patryn33, i had considered the V60, but my concern is that it may not survive the rigours of travel (i think you know how "well" our flight companies handle our luggages 😅).
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QUOTE(AzrinRain @ Mar 20 2016, 12:38 PM) @patryn33, i had considered the V60, but my concern is that it may not survive the rigours of travel (i think you know how "well" our flight companies handle our luggages 😅). You checking in not hand carry?Buy this then https://www.seattlecoffeegear.com/kalita-wa...s-steel-dripper https://www.seattlecoffeegear.com/rhinoware...-coffee-grinder This post has been edited by patryn33: Mar 20 2016, 01:13 PM |
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@patryn33, thank you for the recommendation!
Travelling to Japan in a few months, planning to get the Porlex there (it's RM160!) and will look for the Kalita there as well. To tie it all up, i found a bag from Timbuk2 that will fit all of my wares (AP, scale, thermometer, Porlex, KeepCup) in one neat and tidy package. http://www.timbuk2.com/sunset-handlebar-ba...wvar_484_size=7 |
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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Mar 19 2016, 11:46 PM) 40mm burr, maybe better off getting the mignon at 50mm or the one u bought since budget around 1500. Not sure how much around is around Last Harvey Norman sales is around RM 1199.http://coffeeforums.co.uk/showthread.php?2...nder-Pro-BCG820 |
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Hi..its me the nubis again.can recommend me electric grinder that cost between rm80-rm100.tired using hand cranked
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QUOTE(Bujal.x @ Mar 21 2016, 09:51 AM) Hi..its me the nubis again.can recommend me electric grinder that cost between rm80-rm100.tired using hand cranked Unfortunately it is currently impossible to find a burr grinder at that price range; only blade grinders.The closest I could find are - Feima (or equivalent) 600N grinder, which costs RM320 to RM450. You can find a few on lelong.com.my and one at lazada. - Delonghi KG89 which costs about RM400 Fully understand and sympathise regarding the hand crank. I am now looking at how to hack together a motor to attach to my Hario Skerton. |
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QUOTE(lowkl @ Mar 21 2016, 10:10 AM) Unfortunately it is currently impossible to find a burr grinder at that price range; only blade grinders. blade as like spice grinders? whats the downside using spice grinder compared to others?The closest I could find are - Feima (or equivalent) 600N grinder, which costs RM320 to RM450. You can find a few on lelong.com.my and one at lazada. - Delonghi KG89 which costs about RM400 Fully understand and sympathise regarding the hand crank. I am now looking at how to hack together a motor to attach to my Hario Skerton. |
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QUOTE(Bujal.x @ Mar 21 2016, 10:16 AM) Conventional wisdom is that blade/spice grinders generate inconsistent particle size... some of coffee grounds will be super fine while others may be still very coarse. As you already know, particle size greatly affects extraction so you may get both over- and under-extracted characteristics. Bottom line: very hard for you to control the quality. Gurus : please correct / enhance. |
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QUOTE(lowkl @ Mar 21 2016, 12:13 PM) Conventional wisdom is that blade/spice grinders generate inconsistent particle size... some of coffee grounds will be super fine while others may be still very coarse. As you already know, particle size greatly affects extraction so you may get both over- and under-extracted characteristics. I see.. Thanks for the clarification. Well stick to hand cranked it is. Already placed an order for hario grinder to replace my old grinder. 😊Bottom line: very hard for you to control the quality. Gurus : please correct / enhance. |
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You need this if grind for French press or drip.
http://www.amazon.com/Kegger-Industries-KI...e/dp/B012HDKKQ6. Also check out the hand drill mod for Hario. Don't bother with those 12v motor with gear reduction mod from eBay as it doesn't have enough torque to grind. |
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QUOTE(pierreye @ Mar 21 2016, 01:30 PM) You need this if grind for French press or drip. I see..can i source it locally instead of amazon? Btw thanks for all replies. As a nubis this is the most responsive platform I've ever across when it comes to learn and mastering the art of coffees..http://www.amazon.com/Kegger-Industries-KI...e/dp/B012HDKKQ6. Also check out the hand drill mod for Hario. Don't bother with those 12v motor with gear reduction mod from eBay as it doesn't have enough torque to grind. |
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QUOTE(Bujal.x @ Mar 21 2016, 01:42 PM) I see..can i source it locally instead of amazon? Btw thanks for all replies. As a nubis this is the most responsive platform I've ever across when it comes to learn and mastering the art of coffees.. Yes, hand grinders are the best bet for quality at an affordable price. Stay there as long as possible until you're ready for electric, then go big.Not worth to choose a subpar model just for the sake of $$$. A handgrinder will easily outperform those This post has been edited by ymeng85: Mar 21 2016, 02:13 PM |
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To put it in layman terms, blade grinders chop the beans at random, while burr grinders pulverize the beans uniformly, since it makes and maintains full contact with the beans.
It's kinda like flattening dough using a rolling pin as opposed to pounding it with your bare hands. Uniform grinds lead to consistent extractions, thus leading you to a better cup of coffee. This post has been edited by AzrinRain: Mar 21 2016, 03:25 PM |
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QUOTE(ycs @ Mar 18 2016, 11:49 PM) This is a China made semi auto espresso machine, I not sure you can find it here, but you can bring it in from TaoBao if you know how to do that.There is a China guy made some test of this espresso machine compare to WPM KD 210 S2 which also in the same price range, the result seems WPM is slightly better. Below is the link for those who can read Chinese http://tieba.baidu.com/p/4323243518 |
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QUOTE(pierreye @ Mar 21 2016, 01:30 PM) You need this if grind for French press or drip. Hmm...looks like a pretty simple thing to laser cut out. Do you think other Skerton users in this forum would be interested if it can be manufactured locally?http://www.amazon.com/Kegger-Industries-KI...e/dp/B012HDKKQ6. QUOTE(pierreye @ Mar 21 2016, 01:30 PM) Also check out the hand drill mod for Hario. Don't bother with those 12v motor with gear reduction mod from eBay as it doesn't have enough torque to grind. I was actually thinking of repurposing a car wiper motor. These generate pretty hefty torque with relatively low speed (definitely better than the hand drill IMHO). |
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QUOTE(lowkl @ Mar 21 2016, 04:04 PM) Hmm...looks like a pretty simple thing to laser cut out. Do you think other Skerton users in this forum would be interested if it can be manufactured locally? How big are those though? I was actually thinking of repurposing a car wiper motor. These generate pretty hefty torque with relatively low speed (definitely better than the hand drill IMHO). Also, how are you planning to couple it to the shaft? Even the current hand crank have a tendency to strip the hex bolt after a year+. I guess if you match the speed to a normal hand rotation speed, it might not be too bad |
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Hi would anyone be interested to buy my Philips sacco poeima HD8725/07 and Krups GVX2 Grinder?
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Anyone else tried the chinese machines?
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QUOTE(user5092 @ Mar 21 2016, 03:28 PM) This is a China made semi auto espresso machine, I not sure you can find it here, but you can bring it in from TaoBao if you know how to do that. thanks for the linkThere is a China guy made some test of this espresso machine compare to WPM KD 210 S2 which also in the same price range, the result seems WPM is slightly better. Below is the link for those who can read Chinese http://tieba.baidu.com/p/4323243518 looks like the WPM is better in steaming looking at this set; is the price ok? https://world.taobao.com/item/9370216842.ht...0.jhxnv2#detail |
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QUOTE(lowkl @ Mar 21 2016, 04:04 PM) Hmm...looks like a pretty simple thing to laser cut out. Do you think other Skerton users in this forum would be interested if it can be manufactured locally? I think of that too but the whole project would cost another extra RM 200 plus effort to 3D printing the parts to hold everything together. In the end, as everyone said, go for a good electric burr grinder or stick to hand grinding.I was actually thinking of repurposing a car wiper motor. These generate pretty hefty torque with relatively low speed (definitely better than the hand drill IMHO). This post has been edited by pierreye: Mar 22 2016, 02:52 PM |
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QUOTE(ycs @ Mar 22 2016, 10:52 AM) thanks for the link In Australia, WPM is oem for Sunbeam. You can google for more info under Sunbeam EM6910. Same for the grinder.looks like the WPM is better in steaming looking at this set; is the price ok? https://world.taobao.com/item/9370216842.ht...0.jhxnv2#detail |
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Hello, newbie here.
Started with a press, moka pot, now on a Delonghi E680 Dedica. Pretty good for the price point, IMO. Grinding with a KRUPS burr grinder. |
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correct me if im wrong but not all beans are suitable to be added with milk or what? how do i pick to right beans to be paired with fresh milk?
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QUOTE(Bujal.x @ Mar 22 2016, 03:56 PM) correct me if im wrong but not all beans are suitable to be added with milk or what? how do i pick to right beans to be paired with fresh milk? Hmmm... dunno. I would think it really depends on personal preference/taste. Most beans tagged as for espresso or for moka pot seem to be blends; I would think those with a fuller body go well with milk. Those who enjoy looking for the fine nuances of different beans from different regions/farms always prefer to take their coffee black. |
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QUOTE(Bujal.x @ Mar 22 2016, 03:56 PM) correct me if im wrong but not all beans are suitable to be added with milk or what? how do i pick to right beans to be paired with fresh milk? From my experience, all coffees can work with milk but at difference degrees. Some may stand up to a very milky latte but others do better as a cappuccinoHowever, for me, I only choose to go milk if it somehow enhances the experience or bring something different to that coffee. Otherwise, better to keep it as an espresso or filter to enjoy the nuances But i say just go for it and let your tastebuds decide. You don't want to also rob yourself of a potential delicious combination |
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QUOTE(ycs @ Mar 22 2016, 10:52 AM) thanks for the link looks like the WPM is better in steaming looking at this set; is the price ok? https://world.taobao.com/item/9370216842.ht...0.jhxnv2#detail The price looks good, Dankin in Serdang is selling RM 3,299 for the KD210S2 only (without grinder) before GST. But you need to confirm the plug type, I believe you need an adapter. Regarding the WPM grinder, I have not much comment, some people say good, some people say not good. If you can get the Baratza Encore also not bad. You using Bakashopping? How much they charge for the freight cost for this item? |
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QUOTE(user5092 @ Mar 23 2016, 10:50 AM) The price looks good, Dankin in Serdang is selling RM 3,299 for the KD210S2 only (without grinder) before GST. 3.299k for wpm is not worth. Why u dont consider simonelli OSCAR?But you need to confirm the plug type, I believe you need an adapter. Regarding the WPM grinder, I have not much comment, some people say good, some people say not good. If you can get the Baratza Encore also not bad. You using Bakashopping? How much they charge for the freight cost for this item? |
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Mazzer super jolly in taobao selling price is around rm 2k. It is so tempting, but worry fake. But seller reassure it is supplier price -.-" genuine
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Hi, We are exclusive dealer for Italian Coffee Capsule System, it is using biodegradeable capsule system, and whole machine are fully import from Italy.
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QUOTE(luvox @ Mar 23 2016, 09:43 PM) Mazzer super jolly in taobao selling price is around rm 2k. It is so tempting, but worry fake. But seller reassure it is supplier price -.-" genuine Supplier price means he selling u at cost price then how he make $$? Make in Europe ship to China... He stole them? Lolhttp://www.coffeeitalia.ie/brands/mazzer Well PRC shy away from branded stuff on taobao claiming 99% time fake. ^^; This post has been edited by patryn33: Mar 24 2016, 11:44 AM |
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QUOTE(luvox @ Mar 23 2016, 09:43 PM) Mazzer super jolly in taobao selling price is around rm 2k. It is so tempting, but worry fake. But seller reassure it is supplier price -.-" genuine Even their home brand also got fake. My friend in China told me getting things from Taobao, you had to set your expectation right. Only go for cheap stuff, not branded stuff. He even got cheated on fake Xiaomi phone. |
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i have an extra bag of 500 gram caffe grande bought from coffex malaysia.i want to swap it with other beans with either equivalent weight or price.those who interested can pm me..cod at klang and shah alam.
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QUOTE(mobysim @ Mar 22 2016, 10:47 AM) Don't just focus on the pros there are cons to drinking coffee too. |
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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Mar 31 2016, 09:24 PM) I wanted to try omitting tamping with this.. there are still channeling.. the depth is kinda tricky here to master. Might also be because I'm using 14g with the 15g VST basket. If tamped, the extraction is vastly improved.QUOTE(luvox @ Mar 31 2016, 10:45 PM) I got it from:https://shop.caffecrema.my/collections/coff...fee-distributor Total RM590 including shipping. Tried asking from ONA directly but was referred back to local distributor lol |
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QUOTE(mel5582 @ Mar 31 2016, 10:54 PM) I wanted to try omitting tamping with this.. there are still channeling.. the depth is kinda tricky here to master. Might also be because I'm using 14g with the 15g VST basket. If tamped, the extraction is vastly improved. Wow, hardcore tools bro I got it from: https://shop.caffecrema.my/collections/coff...fee-distributor Total RM590 including shipping. Tried asking from ONA directly but was referred back to local distributor lol |
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this looks interesting. project ending in 2 weeks
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/doersc...ver/description QUOTE Custom roast your own signature coffee blend effortlessly and have it shipped right to your door |
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QUOTE(mel5582 @ Mar 31 2016, 10:54 PM) I wanted to try omitting tamping with this.. there are still channeling.. the depth is kinda tricky here to master. Might also be because I'm using 14g with the 15g VST basket. If tamped, the extraction is vastly improved. I think during the World Barista Championship 2015 Finals, Sasa used a similar tool to distribute the coffee, but he used a tamper to tamp as well.I got it from: https://shop.caffecrema.my/collections/coff...fee-distributor Total RM590 including shipping. Tried asking from ONA directly but was referred back to local distributor lol |
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QUOTE(mel5582 @ Mar 31 2016, 10:54 PM) I wanted to try omitting tamping with this.. there are still channeling.. the depth is kinda tricky here to master. Might also be because I'm using 14g with the 15g VST basket. If tamped, the extraction is vastly improved. Auresso is also selling it, for slightly less. http://www.auresso.com.my/product/106/ONA-...ee-Distributor/I got it from: https://shop.caffecrema.my/collections/coff...fee-distributor Total RM590 including shipping. Tried asking from ONA directly but was referred back to local distributor lol |
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QUOTE(Castreal @ Apr 1 2016, 12:49 PM) I think during the World Barista Championship 2015 Finals, Sasa used a similar tool to distribute the coffee, but he used a tamper to tamp as well. Yeah, it was a prototype. Tamping after using the OCD is recommended but the puck is still subjected to variable tamp pressure if tamping is inconsistent. I think in order to extract without tamping, the grinds must be just right.. the depth of levelling used with OCD and the screen used in the gasket must be even and precise. Still experimenting..QUOTE(JCogent @ Apr 1 2016, 01:17 PM) Auresso is also selling it, for slightly less. http://www.auresso.com.my/product/106/ONA-...ee-Distributor/ Yeah, saw this after purchase.. difference by about RM20 - RM30 |
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Is this brand any good? --> Morphy Richards
Thing, is never heard of the brandm but seem that it is established. and a product of UK Saw one selling in Lazada: http://www.lazada.com.my/morphy-richards-1...ed-2369652.html |
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hi guy, received a birthday gift from my friend which i dunno where to start (in my last 30 year) i only pay for coffee but never do anything on it ....
Normal coffee lover, drink 2-3 glass cappuccino/latte a day ... What do i received : 1. Philips Saeco Poemia 2. Welhome ZD 10T 3. Some mug, stainless steel stuff. ok where do i go from here ???? btw pls don't ask me to upgrade or anything, cause i have enough hobby which my salary can't afford another one ......... |
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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Mar 24 2016, 11:41 AM) Supplier price means he selling u at cost price then how he make $$? Make in Europe ship to China... He stole them? Lol basically most item is make in china already, even they said make in italy or any part of euro, that doesn't true, cause euro gov don't control it ..... only country required 100% clear of country made is US ....http://www.coffeeitalia.ie/brands/mazzer Well PRC shy away from branded stuff on taobao claiming 99% time fake. ^^; |
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QUOTE(SonnyCooL @ Apr 3 2016, 07:16 PM) hi guy, received a birthday gift from my friend which i dunno where to start (in my last 30 year) i only pay for coffee but never do anything on it .... A good coffee beans, internet data and latte/cappuccino 101 on youtube. How lucky you are.. I wish i had the same set for my birthday present 😂Normal coffee lover, drink 2-3 glass cappuccino/latte a day ... What do i received : 1. Philips Saeco Poemia 2. Welhome ZD 10T 3. Some mug, stainless steel stuff. ok where do i go from here ???? btw pls don't ask me to upgrade or anything, cause i have enough hobby which my salary can't afford another one ......... |
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QUOTE(SonnyCooL @ Apr 3 2016, 07:16 PM) hi guy, received a birthday gift from my friend which i dunno where to start (in my last 30 year) i only pay for coffee but never do anything on it .... free office and good free coffee as well Normal coffee lover, drink 2-3 glass cappuccino/latte a day ... What do i received : 1. Philips Saeco Poemia 2. Welhome ZD 10T 3. Some mug, stainless steel stuff. ok where do i go from here ???? btw pls don't ask me to upgrade or anything, cause i have enough hobby which my salary can't afford another one ......... got free wifi or not? |
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QUOTE(SonnyCooL @ Apr 3 2016, 09:41 PM) A few forumers here have tried beans from me before so I'm not here to chop you lol Good quality freshly roasted beans do come with a certain premium but you do get what you pay for. You could try the Ikea suggestion first and then compare to what I can offer and see if the difference is justifiable to the price |
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btw what type of milk with low lactose n fat and suitable for coffee ?
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QUOTE(SonnyCooL @ Apr 3 2016, 10:19 PM) I always use fresh milk but if i need to use lowfat, i will add a bit of evaporated milk to mimic the creaminess from fresh milk😂For the brand my favourite will be dutch lady and marigold Btw me also nubis.. No fancy machines like all the pros here. Using hario hand cranked coffee grinder, french press and battery operated milk frother 😂 |
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QUOTE(ymeng85 @ Apr 3 2016, 10:01 PM) A few forumers here have tried beans from me before so I'm not here to chop you lol U bought from coffex?Good quality freshly roasted beans do come with a certain premium but you do get what you pay for. You could try the Ikea suggestion first and then compare to what I can offer and see if the difference is justifiable to the price |
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QUOTE(Bujal.x @ Apr 3 2016, 10:53 PM) LOL he doesn't. He sources raw ingredients, in this case green coffee beans, from overseas. He then roasts them using his two coffee roasters, at his home. Then he sells them to other coffee lovers. Prices are very reasonable for what you get. But since you're just starting off, just buy what you can readily get. If you're close to Coffex, go visit their showroom and try the coffee. Just start with whatever you can find. Along the way you'll let your taste buds decide whether Coffex or Ikea or a random home roaster or any other commercial roaster gives you the best cup. |
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QUOTE(SonnyCooL @ Apr 3 2016, 07:16 PM) hi guy, received a birthday gift from my friend which i dunno where to start (in my last 30 year) i only pay for coffee but never do anything on it .... Hi SonnyCool, Normal coffee lover, drink 2-3 glass cappuccino/latte a day ... What do i received : 1. Philips Saeco Poemia 2. Welhome ZD 10T 3. Some mug, stainless steel stuff. ok where do i go from here ???? btw pls don't ask me to upgrade or anything, cause i have enough hobby which my salary can't afford another one ......... I am also a Poemia owner/user, so this is what I use/do: - I usually order my beans from Mister Coffee , which is based in Johor. They ship by courier to your doorstep for orders more than RM 60. Their espresso blends range from RM 35 to RM 49 for 500gm, which is pretty comparable to supermarket coffee beans while being much much fresher. Unfortunately they don't print the Roast date but I estimate the beans cannot be older than a month....much much better than Ikea. They also ship fast & reliable...never had to wait more than 3 working days to get my order. The other source I use is Lebistro coffee (pls Google for the website I forget); based in Penang. These people roast *on order* so super fresh and also they even ship a single bag for free! My only issue is they currently only have a Sumatra blend, which regretfully is not my favourite. - Once you open the bag, remember to use it up within 2-3 weeks. What I do to keep it as fresh as possible is to re-bag it in thick sandwich bags (best so far from Aeon Jusco) in about 150gm per bag...approx 10 double shots. Since I make about 3 cups a day, I open a new bag every 3-4 days - I grind 15.5gm per cup, which fills the Poemia portafilter nearly to the brim. Using the provided plastic scoop /tamper, I just press down lightly so that it's easier to clip in the machine. For pressurized filters such as this, you are not to do a real tamp. - you have to trial & error the grind size, but around course sugar I'd what I aim for. Do not try to match professional espresso machine grind fineness as it will have bitterness problems... you can check out a YouTube by Seattle Coffee Gear on this. -So far I've been unable to get a specialty cafe grade shot from the poemia; but I primarily blame my cheapo China 600N grinder for it. Nevertheless I can now get consistently better coffee than Starbucks or Coffee Bean and even Espresso Labs. Not bad for RM 1.50 of beans & a RM 750 espresso machine! Enjoy your coffee! |
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QUOTE(lowkl @ Apr 4 2016, 12:04 AM) Hi SonnyCool, thanks bro .... I am also a Poemia owner/user, so this is what I use/do: - I usually order my beans from Mister Coffee , which is based in Johor. They ship by courier to your doorstep for orders more than RM 60. Their espresso blends range from RM 35 to RM 49 for 500gm, which is pretty comparable to supermarket coffee beans while being much much fresher. Unfortunately they don't print the Roast date but I estimate the beans cannot be older than a month....much much better than Ikea. They also ship fast & reliable...never had to wait more than 3 working days to get my order. The other source I use is Lebistro coffee (pls Google for the website I forget); based in Penang. These people roast *on order* so super fresh and also they even ship a single bag for free! My only issue is they currently only have a Sumatra blend, which regretfully is not my favourite. - Once you open the bag, remember to use it up within 2-3 weeks. What I do to keep it as fresh as possible is to re-bag it in thick sandwich bags (best so far from Aeon Jusco) in about 150gm per bag...approx 10 double shots. Since I make about 3 cups a day, I open a new bag every 3-4 days - I grind 15.5gm per cup, which fills the Poemia portafilter nearly to the brim. Using the provided plastic scoop /tamper, I just press down lightly so that it's easier to clip in the machine. For pressurized filters such as this, you are not to do a real tamp. - you have to trial & error the grind size, but around course sugar I'd what I aim for. Do not try to match professional espresso machine grind fineness as it will have bitterness problems... you can check out a YouTube by Seattle Coffee Gear on this. -So far I've been unable to get a specialty cafe grade shot from the poemia; but I primarily blame my cheapo China 600N grinder for it. Nevertheless I can now get consistently better coffee than Starbucks or Coffee Bean and even Espresso Labs. Not bad for RM 1.50 of beans & a RM 750 espresso machine! Enjoy your coffee! i did spend my whole week end for understand what is coffee machine, grinder and bla bla bla .... hopefully i won't get addict on it |
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QUOTE(LazyJin @ Apr 3 2016, 11:23 PM) LOL he doesn't. He sources raw ingredients, in this case green coffee beans, from overseas. He then roasts them using his two coffee roasters, at his home. Then he sells them to other coffee lovers. Prices are very reasonable for what you get. Still got my caffe grande i bought from coffex and since u mentioned it, im eager to try ymeng85's home roasted coffees.. At the moment im towards beans with nutty taste characteristics and through his selling thread, there's actually one type of beans that may suit my taste bud.. 😊But since you're just starting off, just buy what you can readily get. If you're close to Coffex, go visit their showroom and try the coffee. Just start with whatever you can find. Along the way you'll let your taste buds decide whether Coffex or Ikea or a random home roaster or any other commercial roaster gives you the best cup. This post has been edited by Bujal.x: Apr 4 2016, 12:38 AM |
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QUOTE(SonnyCooL @ Apr 3 2016, 07:40 PM) basically most item is make in china already, even they said make in italy or any part of euro, that doesn't true, cause euro gov don't control it ..... only country required 100% clear of country made is US .... Where is your source?Here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Made_in_Italy http://www.internationallawoffice.com/News...y-designations# This post has been edited by patryn33: Apr 4 2016, 03:30 AM |
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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Apr 4 2016, 03:29 AM) Where is your source? Cause i do international logistics ....Here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Made_in_Italy http://www.internationallawoffice.com/News...y-designations# U know how many product is actually makr in malaysia ? cool i love ur wiki sources This post has been edited by SonnyCooL: Apr 4 2016, 03:45 AM |
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QUOTE(SonnyCooL @ Apr 4 2016, 03:44 AM) Cause i do international logistics .... Your wire, metal and such China no doubt not even USA does that. The 51% rule comes to play in eu, and you pay for the QC. Play by the rules no fine since there are establish laws to use make in Italy however loose it may be. U know how many product is actually makr in malaysia ? cool i love ur wiki sources As for 100% USA close but not really the rules complex https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/business-ce...de-usa-standard There is a reason why Prc shy from their own products when given a choice go for German or Italian made. I am not concern with made in Malaysia. This post has been edited by patryn33: Apr 4 2016, 07:27 AM |
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Is this brand any good? --> Morphy Richards
Thing, is never heard of the brandm but seem that it is established. and a product of UK Saw one selling in Lazada: http://www.lazada.com.my/morphy-richards-1...ed-2369652.html |
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You should try to PID and depressurize the portafilter. It really make a different in the taste and making real crema. Also get a good 53mm tamper from eBay. I found out with 53mm stainless steel tamper, I can get a good level and compact puck from Poemia. Also, with PID and steam control, I get better temperature control and very powerful steam that almost never run out (unless you dry out the boiler which shouldn't happen if you only steam less than 150mL milk). Personally, I feel after the mod, it should be very good for a single boiler machine. Off course cannot compare to HX or double boiler machine as those machine are at a different level.
QUOTE(lowkl @ Apr 4 2016, 12:04 AM) Hi SonnyCool, This post has been edited by pierreye: Apr 4 2016, 09:42 AMI am also a Poemia owner/user, so this is what I use/do: - I usually order my beans from Mister Coffee , which is based in Johor. They ship by courier to your doorstep for orders more than RM 60. Their espresso blends range from RM 35 to RM 49 for 500gm, which is pretty comparable to supermarket coffee beans while being much much fresher. Unfortunately they don't print the Roast date but I estimate the beans cannot be older than a month....much much better than Ikea. They also ship fast & reliable...never had to wait more than 3 working days to get my order. The other source I use is Lebistro coffee (pls Google for the website I forget); based in Penang. These people roast *on order* so super fresh and also they even ship a single bag for free! My only issue is they currently only have a Sumatra blend, which regretfully is not my favourite. - Once you open the bag, remember to use it up within 2-3 weeks. What I do to keep it as fresh as possible is to re-bag it in thick sandwich bags (best so far from Aeon Jusco) in about 150gm per bag...approx 10 double shots. Since I make about 3 cups a day, I open a new bag every 3-4 days - I grind 15.5gm per cup, which fills the Poemia portafilter nearly to the brim. Using the provided plastic scoop /tamper, I just press down lightly so that it's easier to clip in the machine. For pressurized filters such as this, you are not to do a real tamp. - you have to trial & error the grind size, but around course sugar I'd what I aim for. Do not try to match professional espresso machine grind fineness as it will have bitterness problems... you can check out a YouTube by Seattle Coffee Gear on this. -So far I've been unable to get a specialty cafe grade shot from the poemia; but I primarily blame my cheapo China 600N grinder for it. Nevertheless I can now get consistently better coffee than Starbucks or Coffee Bean and even Espresso Labs. Not bad for RM 1.50 of beans & a RM 750 espresso machine! Enjoy your coffee! |
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QUOTE(pierreye @ Apr 4 2016, 09:37 AM) You should try to PID and depressurize the portafilter. It really make a different in the taste and making real crema. Also get a good 53mm tamper from eBay. I found out with 53mm stainless steel tamper, I can get a good level and compact puck from Poemia. Also, with PID and steam control, I get better temperature control and very powerful steam that almost never run out (unless you dry out the boiler which shouldn't happen if you only steam less than 150mL milk). Personally, I feel after the mod, it should be very good for a single boiler machine. Off course cannot compare to HX or double boiler machine as those machine are at a different level. Yes! Yes! This is exactly what I want to try.Any pointers on how to install a PID for the Poemia? I was looking at putting together a DIY PID following this Arduino project, but while I'm not adverse to trying out some electronics project, the demands of getting into Arduino as well as figuring out how to piece it together as per this project is pretty daunting. I have kinda given up steaming milk using the Poemia; as you know without the temperature control the heater is a simple thermostat, meaning zero additional heat until it drops below the threshold. What I do is completely vent the first time the steam light goes on (to remove the trapped water & to clear off the remaining low pressure steam), then let it boil up again. This at least gets about 80ml of milk to 60+C in one go. But the microfoam is pretty sad; very inconsistent, with large bubbles most of the time. Will definitely try to depressurize the portafilter this coming weekend, after I get delivery of a tamper. But I still feel my grinder tak boleh pakai lah... tried hand grinding a dose using the trusty Hario Skerton... much better woh. Except not practical to grind 3 cups (48gm!!) before rushing to send kids to school in the morning. The 600N produces pretty OK grounds BUT towards the end it often spits out a huge clump of fines! Been banging my head on how to motorise the Skerton, but so far no joy. As per gurus advice on this forum, the only sure bet is to plonk down serious cash for a commercial grinder. Sigh..... |
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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Apr 4 2016, 07:17 AM) Your wire, metal and such China no doubt not even USA does that. The 51% rule comes to play in eu, and you pay for the QC. Play by the rules no fine since there are establish laws to use make in Italy however loose it may be. i love your knowledge ....As for 100% USA close but not really the rules complex https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/business-ce...de-usa-standard There is a reason why Prc shy from their own products when given a choice go for German or Italian made. I am not concern with made in Malaysia. |
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Arduino is complicated if you have no idea how to connect the I/O and upload program into the board. Going with PID such as Sestos PID or Omron PID(higher end) would be easier. If you are comfortable cutting and connecting wire then shouldn't be too difficult. I follow the instruction from Gaggia Classic PID DIY guide. You also need a small 12v 0.5w LED transformer if you want to use Alarm 1 for steam control. By doing this, you will solve the low steam pressure problem as the PID manage to stabilize the steam around 120 degree celcius. Now I can get very good microfoam and keep the swirl going.
I went thru your pain before, using Porlex hand grinder. My problem same as you going for 2 cups very tiring. In the end, go for Macap M4 grinder as I think this is going to hold me for further upgrade for quite sometime. Just some simple guide on how to PID using Sestos temperature control. 1. Trace the main wire to the rotary switch which use to select either brew or steam. Cut both N and L wire (Leave the ground cable connected to boiler). Use a wire connector to connect back both wire and also tap the wiring out to the PID (make sure you get a PID that run on 220/240v). Once you turn on the switch, it will turn on the PID. 2. Disconnect and remove the brew thermostat from the boiler. The wire that you disconnect should be connected to SSR Relay. You will use the PID to control the relay to turn on the boiler. Put the thermocouple (either K type or PT100) at the place where you remove the thermostat and use the existing clip to clamp it to the boiler. Leave the steam thermostat switch as we'll later tap the wiring to the alarm. I can't remove the brew thermostat as it'll somehow mess up with the steam ready light. 3. Connect the wire from thermocouple to PID. Set your temperature to around 94 to 96 degree and run autotune. After it's done try it out. 4. Optional. If you want to use the steam alarm, connect 2 wire parallel to the steam thermostat wire to 12v LED transformer. The 12v output +ve will be connected to alarm1 NC (normally close as you want it to connect when alarm is below steam temperature) then out to the SSR relay trigger. Remember to use a diode on the positive output on both alarm output to SSR trigger and from PID brew control +ve output. This is to prevent DC voltage back to the PID relay output. Set the Alarm high to 122 degree celcius as this will help maintain the temp around 118 to 120 degree celcius. What happen the temp is above 122 degree, it will disconnect the 12v relay from the LED transformer thus turning off the boiler. I use this diagram for connection. http://www.skenedesign.com/Silvia/ Note D1 and D2 is diode 1 and 2. J1 is where you connect the alarm NC and COM. SSR is the trigger relay output from PID set temperature. Note the +ve and -ve for DC output. AC output doesn't matter which is L or N. QUOTE(lowkl @ Apr 4 2016, 10:00 AM) Yes! Yes! This is exactly what I want to try. This post has been edited by pierreye: Apr 4 2016, 06:09 PMAny pointers on how to install a PID for the Poemia? I was looking at putting together a DIY PID following this Arduino project, but while I'm not adverse to trying out some electronics project, the demands of getting into Arduino as well as figuring out how to piece it together as per this project is pretty daunting. I have kinda given up steaming milk using the Poemia; as you know without the temperature control the heater is a simple thermostat, meaning zero additional heat until it drops below the threshold. What I do is completely vent the first time the steam light goes on (to remove the trapped water & to clear off the remaining low pressure steam), then let it boil up again. This at least gets about 80ml of milk to 60+C in one go. But the microfoam is pretty sad; very inconsistent, with large bubbles most of the time. Will definitely try to depressurize the portafilter this coming weekend, after I get delivery of a tamper. But I still feel my grinder tak boleh pakai lah... tried hand grinding a dose using the trusty Hario Skerton... much better woh. Except not practical to grind 3 cups (48gm!!) before rushing to send kids to school in the morning. The 600N produces pretty OK grounds BUT towards the end it often spits out a huge clump of fines! Been banging my head on how to motorise the Skerton, but so far no joy. As per gurus advice on this forum, the only sure bet is to plonk down serious cash for a commercial grinder. Sigh..... |
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QUOTE(pierreye @ Apr 4 2016, 04:41 PM) Arduino is complicated if you have no idea how to connect the I/O and upload program into the board. Going with PID such as Sestos PID or Omron PID(higher end) would be easier. If you are comfortable cutting and connecting wire then shouldn't be too difficult. I follow the instruction from Gaggia Classic PID DIY guide. You also need a small 12v 0.5w LED transformer if you want to use Alarm 1 for steam control. By doing this, you will solve the low steam pressure problem as the PID manage to stabilize the steam around 120 degree celcius. Now I can get very good microfoam and keep the swirl going. pierreye,I went thru your pain before, using Porlex hand grinder. My problem same as you going for 2 cups very tiring. In the end, go for Macap M4 grinder as I think this is going to hold me for further upgrade for quite sometime. Just some simple guide on how to PID using Sestos temperature control. 1. Trace the main wire to the rotary switch which use to select either brew or steam. Cut both N and L wire (Leave the ground cable connected to boiler). Use a wire connector to connect back both wire and also tap the wiring out to the PID (make sure you get a PID that run on 220/240v). Once you turn on the switch, it will turn on the PID. 2. Disconnect and remove the brew thermostat from the boiler. The wire that you disconnect should be connected to SSR Relay. You will use the PID to control the relay to turn on the boiler. Put the thermocouple (either K type or PT100) at the place where you remove the thermostat and use the existing clip to clamp it to the boiler. Leave the steam thermostat switch as we'll later tap the wiring to the alarm. I can't remove the brew thermostat as it'll somehow mess up with the steam ready light. 3. Connect the wire from thermocouple to PID. Set your temperature to around 94 to 96 degree and run autotune. After it's done try it out. 4. Optional. If you want to use the steam alarm, connect 2 wire parallel to the brew thermostat wire to 12v LED transformer. The 12v output +ve will be connected to alarm1 NC (normally close as you want it to connect when alarm is below steam temperature) then out to the SSR relay trigger. Remember to use a diode on the positive output on both alarm output to SSR trigger and from PID brew control +ve output. This is to prevent DC voltage back to the PID relay output. Set the Alarm high to 122 degree celcius as this will help maintain the temp around 118 to 120 degree celcius. What happen the temp is above 122 degree, it will disconnect the 12v relay from the LED transformer thus turning off the boiler. I use this diagram for connection. http://www.skenedesign.com/Silvia/ Note D1 and D2 is diode 1 and 2. J1 is where you connect the alarm NC and COM. SSR is the trigger relay output from PID set temperature. Note the +ve and -ve for DC output. AC output doesn't matter which is L or N. MUCH THANKS!! Your input is invaluable! I will dump the Arduino idea and just follow this approach. The wiring diagram is not too complicated; should be able to follow. The idea of using the alarm circuit to trigger the steam control is brilliant. I have found some PID controllers on Lazada which looks similar to the Sestos PID. Have to compare specs but just in case, where did you get the Sestos? You still use the Pannarello wand? Thanks once again!! |
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You need to make sure it come with AL1 output. The correct model is D1S-VR-220. Search for Sestos PID SSR thermocouple from eBay (Less than USD 40). Also you do not need the screw in type thermocouple. A short probe will do. 25A SSR will do. Correction that the 12V LED transformer should be connected to steam thermostat wire.
Yes, I'm still using Pannarello wand. No issue to get microfoam. Just make sure the wand is just below the milk and tilt at an angle. You will see the milk swirl around the pitcher and hold. Slowly adjust the depth when the milk start to expand. If you get too much froth then the wand tip is too shallow. No microfoam will be due to the tip too deep. Glad to help out another Poemia user. Pretty good espresso machine after mod for less than RM 1k. You can get 53mm tamper from eBay too. Sestos PID + SSR + Probe http://www.ebay.com/itm/291346125690?_trks...K%3AMEBIDX%3AIT Tamper 53mm http://www.ebay.com/itm/201476126930?_trks...K%3AMEBIDX%3AIT QUOTE(lowkl @ Apr 4 2016, 05:19 PM) pierreye, This post has been edited by pierreye: Apr 4 2016, 06:11 PMMUCH THANKS!! Your input is invaluable! I will dump the Arduino idea and just follow this approach. The wiring diagram is not too complicated; should be able to follow. The idea of using the alarm circuit to trigger the steam control is brilliant. I have found some PID controllers on Lazada which looks similar to the Sestos PID. Have to compare specs but just in case, where did you get the Sestos? You still use the Pannarello wand? Thanks once again!! |
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