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post Mar 8 2016, 08:12 AM

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I just bought a Macap M4 doser version online from EspressoCoffeeShop.com around RM 1700 including shipping. Will let you all know how much is the tax. According to my research, if it fall under hot beverage making machine, the tax should be 0% + 6% GST. I might buy a timer relay to turn it into doserless version as M4D is so damn expensive compare to M4.

Update: Got the tax total. It is 20% + 6% for Tea and Coffee making machine. It seems like 0%+6% is only valid if you run food and beverage business and import for business use.

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post Mar 8 2016, 09:04 PM

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Tax always based on total. Plus agent fee Rm50, total tax around rm 500. Still cheaper compare to Amazon price.

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post Mar 8 2016, 11:52 PM

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I'm not sure about local pricing but if based on my experience, the price locally really cut throat. Last year I ask about Baratza Encore and quoted close to RM 1k. In the end, I get a Porlex to try out first. The only brand that I feel that is price reasonable compare to oversea is Breville.

I'm not so worry about the Macap grinder as based on review the build quality is very good plus any problem seems to be user repairable. I'm quite capable of swapping component and done some diy stuff such as adding PID to the espresso machine.

If anyone who is not comfortable to get their hand dirty should buy locally.

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post Mar 9 2016, 11:36 AM

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QUOTE(sapora @ Mar 9 2016, 10:10 AM)
Dankoff quoted mignon rm1850. Is it okay? Worth it??
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If it is Mignon Mk2 then pretty good price.
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post Mar 10 2016, 03:32 PM

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interesting info regarding some coffee machine running at higher than 9 bar is not wrong but on purpose. I think this is due to the tiny vibe pump to compensate for the pressure loss due to lower volume moving thru the piping and brew head compare to big commercial rotary pump.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4y4-E2aL3U
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post Mar 10 2016, 05:11 PM

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Need to dig out my thermodynamic book from Uni. You need to look at the relationship between pressure, flow rate and resistance.
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post Mar 10 2016, 10:11 PM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Mar 10 2016, 06:12 PM)
Not thermo...go check fluids dynamics.

On pumps...vibe pumps are plunger pumps...rotary are vane pumps...the slayer uses gear pumps...go check how these work.  wink.gif
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Yeah. You are right. Thermodynamic is the study of energy conversion and use in design of heat exchanger and distillation column. Been 20 years. Anyway, I'm waiting for variable SSR to experiment with pressure/flow profiling on the pump.

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post Mar 11 2016, 07:35 AM

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QUOTE(ymeng85 @ Mar 10 2016, 11:00 PM)
Would be interesting. Got a link of the graph?
Now I'm just shooting random ideas out but couldn't you just PWM the motor to try to reduce the speed without affecting torque?
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Yes. I have been thinking about either PWM or voltage but it seems that because vibe pump is running at 50hz (pump cycle running twice in each AC wave cycle meaning moving in/out 100 times per second), I'm not sure how PWM will affect the pump. Plus most PWM module from ebay are for DC motor, not AC so I still need a SSR as a relay to turn on/off the pump. I just try out with variable SSR as it's the easier alternative.
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post Mar 11 2016, 07:38 AM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Mar 11 2016, 06:30 AM)
Hey smile.gif no sweat...

No need to wait...just go try the light dimmer or fan controller...I've done it and after some time can't be bothered...needs too much attention...but don't let me put you off...go try...
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Yeah. If every time need manual intervention it is kind of troublesome. I'm thinking if it does make a positive differences, I'll put in a timer relay module to automatically switch between different resistance like first 10 sec for low pressure pre infusion then only ramp up to high pressure.
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QUOTE(dwRK @ Mar 11 2016, 08:14 AM)
Woah. Never thought I would see a tablet mounted on an espresso machine. In fact I'm in a dilemma on the next upgrade if I have an itch. Either get a BES920 which had lots of control for end user but might had a reliability issue in long run which is not user repairable or get a HX machine but loose out the control part.

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post Mar 16 2016, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(cameldog @ Mar 16 2016, 07:44 AM)
Hi all coffee Sifu...

I'm a newbie here... drink pretty much espresso.....

my krups 5200 series just dead on me after serving me for 4 years, need an replacement....

was looking for Gaggia Classic.... then this Phomia and EC156 both attract my attention... but the portafilter haunt me a little....

so, may i know if what is your suggestion ?

was thinking to get a EC156+naked portafilter, i know this is like fixing a honda accord engine in proton chassis...

anyway, would really appreciate your input....

am from JB, Breville 870 is asking for 3800RM in JB... what the.....

so, please sprinkle your holy water, i need your enlightenment
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If you want to get BES870, Lazada price with Maybank credit card discount can get around RM 3k. As for Gaggia Classic, I think quite expensive if cost more than RM 2k. Plus I would want to install PID in it which will jack up the price for another RM 200 (get Sestos PID from ebay, plus 12v DC transformer if you want to use the alarm for steam control and some diode).
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post Mar 18 2016, 11:07 PM

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QUOTE(user5092 @ Mar 18 2016, 02:50 PM)
Hi all the coffee lovers, I am planning to get a WPM KD 210 S2, any recommendation on the coffee grinder? Budget for grinder maybe around 1500. Thanks
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For under RM 1500, you can check out Breville Smart grinder pro BCG820. But there are reported problem with the gear stripping when grinding very hard bean (especially lightly roasted bean). I'm not sure if there are new revision to the hardware but you better check out the review especially in year 2016.

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post Mar 21 2016, 09:30 AM

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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Mar 19 2016, 11:46 PM)
40mm burr, maybe better off getting the mignon at 50mm or the one u bought since budget around 1500. Not sure how much around is around
http://coffeeforums.co.uk/showthread.php?2...nder-Pro-BCG820
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Last Harvey Norman sales is around RM 1199.
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post Mar 21 2016, 01:30 PM

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You need this if grind for French press or drip.

http://www.amazon.com/Kegger-Industries-KI...e/dp/B012HDKKQ6.

Also check out the hand drill mod for Hario. Don't bother with those 12v motor with gear reduction mod from eBay as it doesn't have enough torque to grind.
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post Mar 22 2016, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(lowkl @ Mar 21 2016, 04:04 PM)
Hmm...looks like a pretty simple thing to laser cut out. Do you think other Skerton users in this forum would be interested if it can be manufactured locally?
I was actually thinking of repurposing a car wiper motor. These generate pretty hefty torque with relatively low speed (definitely better than the hand drill IMHO).
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I think of that too but the whole project would cost another extra RM 200 plus effort to 3D printing the parts to hold everything together. In the end, as everyone said, go for a good electric burr grinder or stick to hand grinding.

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post Mar 22 2016, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(ycs @ Mar 22 2016, 10:52 AM)
thanks for the link

looks like the WPM is better in steaming

looking at this set; is the price ok?
https://world.taobao.com/item/9370216842.ht...0.jhxnv2#detail

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In Australia, WPM is oem for Sunbeam. You can google for more info under Sunbeam EM6910. Same for the grinder.
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post Mar 24 2016, 05:10 PM

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QUOTE(luvox @ Mar 23 2016, 09:43 PM)
Mazzer super jolly in taobao selling price is around rm 2k. It is so tempting, but worry fake. But seller reassure it is supplier price -.-" genuine
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Even their home brand also got fake. My friend in China told me getting things from Taobao, you had to set your expectation right. Only go for cheap stuff, not branded stuff. He even got cheated on fake Xiaomi phone.
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post Apr 4 2016, 09:37 AM

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You should try to PID and depressurize the portafilter. It really make a different in the taste and making real crema. Also get a good 53mm tamper from eBay. I found out with 53mm stainless steel tamper, I can get a good level and compact puck from Poemia. Also, with PID and steam control, I get better temperature control and very powerful steam that almost never run out (unless you dry out the boiler which shouldn't happen if you only steam less than 150mL milk). Personally, I feel after the mod, it should be very good for a single boiler machine. Off course cannot compare to HX or double boiler machine as those machine are at a different level.

QUOTE(lowkl @ Apr 4 2016, 12:04 AM)
Hi SonnyCool,

I am also a Poemia owner/user, so this is what I use/do:

- I usually order my beans from Mister Coffee ,  which is based in Johor. They ship by courier to your doorstep for orders more than RM 60. Their espresso blends range from RM 35 to RM 49 for 500gm, which is pretty comparable to supermarket coffee beans while being much much fresher. Unfortunately they don't print the Roast date but I estimate the beans cannot be older than a month....much much better than Ikea. They also ship fast & reliable...never had to wait more than 3 working days to get my order.

The other source I use is Lebistro coffee (pls Google for the website I forget); based in Penang.  These people roast *on order* so super fresh and also they even ship a single bag for free! My only issue is they currently only have a Sumatra blend, which regretfully is not my favourite.

- Once you open the bag,  remember to use it up within 2-3 weeks. What I do to keep it as fresh as possible is to re-bag it in thick sandwich bags (best so far from Aeon Jusco) in about 150gm per bag...approx 10 double shots. Since I make about 3 cups a day, I open a new bag every 3-4 days

- I grind 15.5gm per cup,  which fills the Poemia portafilter nearly to the brim. Using the provided plastic scoop /tamper, I just press down lightly so that it's easier to clip in the machine. For pressurized filters such as this, you are not to do a real tamp.

- you have to trial & error the grind size, but around course sugar I'd what I aim for. Do not try to match  professional espresso machine  grind fineness as it will have bitterness problems... you can check out a YouTube by Seattle Coffee Gear on this.

-So far I've been unable to get a specialty cafe grade shot from the poemia; but I primarily blame my cheapo China 600N grinder for it. Nevertheless I can now get consistently better coffee than Starbucks or Coffee Bean and even Espresso Labs. Not bad for RM 1.50 of beans & a RM 750 espresso machine!

Enjoy your coffee!
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post Apr 4 2016, 04:41 PM

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Arduino is complicated if you have no idea how to connect the I/O and upload program into the board. Going with PID such as Sestos PID or Omron PID(higher end) would be easier. If you are comfortable cutting and connecting wire then shouldn't be too difficult. I follow the instruction from Gaggia Classic PID DIY guide. You also need a small 12v 0.5w LED transformer if you want to use Alarm 1 for steam control. By doing this, you will solve the low steam pressure problem as the PID manage to stabilize the steam around 120 degree celcius. Now I can get very good microfoam and keep the swirl going.

I went thru your pain before, using Porlex hand grinder. My problem same as you going for 2 cups very tiring. In the end, go for Macap M4 grinder as I think this is going to hold me for further upgrade for quite sometime.

Just some simple guide on how to PID using Sestos temperature control.

1. Trace the main wire to the rotary switch which use to select either brew or steam. Cut both N and L wire (Leave the ground cable connected to boiler). Use a wire connector to connect back both wire and also tap the wiring out to the PID (make sure you get a PID that run on 220/240v). Once you turn on the switch, it will turn on the PID.

2. Disconnect and remove the brew thermostat from the boiler. The wire that you disconnect should be connected to SSR Relay. You will use the PID to control the relay to turn on the boiler. Put the thermocouple (either K type or PT100) at the place where you remove the thermostat and use the existing clip to clamp it to the boiler. Leave the steam thermostat switch as we'll later tap the wiring to the alarm. I can't remove the brew thermostat as it'll somehow mess up with the steam ready light.

3. Connect the wire from thermocouple to PID. Set your temperature to around 94 to 96 degree and run autotune. After it's done try it out.

4. Optional. If you want to use the steam alarm, connect 2 wire parallel to the steam thermostat wire to 12v LED transformer. The 12v output +ve will be connected to alarm1 NC (normally close as you want it to connect when alarm is below steam temperature) then out to the SSR relay trigger. Remember to use a diode on the positive output on both alarm output to SSR trigger and from PID brew control +ve output. This is to prevent DC voltage back to the PID relay output. Set the Alarm high to 122 degree celcius as this will help maintain the temp around 118 to 120 degree celcius. What happen the temp is above 122 degree, it will disconnect the 12v relay from the LED transformer thus turning off the boiler.

I use this diagram for connection.

http://www.skenedesign.com/Silvia/

Note D1 and D2 is diode 1 and 2. J1 is where you connect the alarm NC and COM. SSR is the trigger relay output from PID set temperature. Note the +ve and -ve for DC output. AC output doesn't matter which is L or N.

QUOTE(lowkl @ Apr 4 2016, 10:00 AM)
Yes! Yes! This is exactly what I want to try.

Any pointers on how to install a PID for the Poemia? I was looking at putting together a DIY PID following this Arduino project, but while I'm not adverse to trying out some electronics project, the demands of getting into Arduino as well as figuring out how to piece it together as per this project is pretty daunting.

I have kinda given up steaming milk using the Poemia; as you know without the temperature control the heater is a simple thermostat, meaning zero additional heat until it drops below the threshold. What I do is completely vent the first time the steam light goes on (to remove the trapped water & to clear off the remaining low pressure steam), then let it boil up again. This at least gets about 80ml of milk to 60+C in one go. But the microfoam is pretty sad; very inconsistent, with large bubbles most of the time.

Will definitely try to depressurize the portafilter this coming weekend, after I get delivery of a tamper. But I still feel my grinder tak boleh pakai lah... tried hand grinding a dose using the trusty Hario Skerton... much better woh. Except not practical to grind 3 cups (48gm!!) before rushing to send kids to school in the morning. The 600N produces pretty OK grounds BUT towards the end it often spits out a huge clump of fines! Been banging my head on how to motorise the Skerton, but so far no joy. As per gurus advice on this forum, the only sure bet is to plonk down serious cash for a commercial grinder. Sigh.....
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post Apr 4 2016, 06:02 PM

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You need to make sure it come with AL1 output. The correct model is D1S-VR-220. Search for Sestos PID SSR thermocouple from eBay (Less than USD 40). Also you do not need the screw in type thermocouple. A short probe will do. 25A SSR will do. Correction that the 12V LED transformer should be connected to steam thermostat wire.

Yes, I'm still using Pannarello wand. No issue to get microfoam. Just make sure the wand is just below the milk and tilt at an angle. You will see the milk swirl around the pitcher and hold. Slowly adjust the depth when the milk start to expand. If you get too much froth then the wand tip is too shallow. No microfoam will be due to the tip too deep.

Glad to help out another Poemia user. Pretty good espresso machine after mod for less than RM 1k. You can get 53mm tamper from eBay too.

Sestos PID + SSR + Probe
http://www.ebay.com/itm/291346125690?_trks...K%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Tamper 53mm
http://www.ebay.com/itm/201476126930?_trks...K%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

QUOTE(lowkl @ Apr 4 2016, 05:19 PM)
pierreye,

MUCH THANKS!!

Your input is invaluable! I will dump the Arduino idea and just follow this approach. The wiring diagram is not too complicated; should be able to follow. The idea of using the alarm circuit to trigger the steam control is brilliant.

I have found some PID controllers on Lazada which looks similar to the Sestos PID. Have to compare specs but just in case, where did you get the Sestos?

You still use the Pannarello wand?

Thanks once again!!
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