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TSColaboy
post Feb 21 2012, 02:03 PM, updated 6y ago

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The 4 Important area to cover in your personal life insurance policy!

1)Medical Plan - Previous Pruhealth vs brand new Pruvalue med

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Been sometime since i last update my post here. . . . Well company had remove the previous Pruflexi med plan in replace of the new Pruvalue med. As a consumer you still have the option of either Pruhealth / Pruvalue med. So which card is better or suite you best?? There is no doubt that a medical card is a MUST to have for anybody even if you are cover under your company medical insurance . . . below will be my personal opinion & base on my experience as an agent for nearly a decade now. Majority people purchase their 1st insurance policy will seek for medical coverage as no 1 priority compare to life, 36 CI or PA as i notice. This is true & very important to understand the terms & condition because the insurance cost for medical coverage will be nearly 40% or sometimes even higher of the total premium you have paid.

1 thing i like about Pruhealth is the plan is very straight forward. Choose between plan PHL100 - PHL400 according to your suitability & budget. Plan 500 & 600 are specially for attached rider PRUmedic auto upgrade only. If you feel that the annual coverage is not enough you could always attach PRUannual limit waiver / PRUmedic overseas rider.

This plan is very suitable for working adults which currently hold an existing medical plan (bought many years ago) & feel their existing plan coverage is not enough or currently working & under cover by group medical plan provided from company. You could choose the deductible RM3,000 or RM10,000 option to further reduce your insurance premium while having a great coverage for yourself. drool.gif drool.gif drool.gif

As for Pruvalue med, it is either 1MIL, 1.5MIL or 2MIL coverage. This plan does not have an annual limit as Pruhealth & even if used up the coverage limit Prudential still pays 80% out of the total bills. It's highly recommended for child policy or young working adult which are seeking for their 1st insurance policy.

Other important areas to take note on a medical plan:
*the term coverage (example expiry on age 70, 80 or 100)
*any co-insurance involve or limitation during admition or for specific illnesses treatment
*what items is excluded (usually agent will tell you all the included biggrin.gif )
*what is the renewal term
*the insurance charge for now & maybe next 20-30 years

For further information you'll require to check with your servicing agent or the policy itself.

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2)36 Critical Illnesses

Okie, let’s move on to the critical illnesses coverage. In Malaysia, the critical illnesses coverage comes in 3 dozens- that’s 36 illnesses. I have no idea why is that so. This product is somehow like a jackpot with a choice of 36 terminal illnesses. Hit either one, and you will be “rewarded” with the total sum. Say if your critical illnesses policy has a coverage of RM 500,000, that’s the full amount you will be compensated upon diagnosed from a specialist.

While if your critical illnesses policy is insured for RM 25,000, that’s too bad. That amount of RM 25,000 is all you are going to get to get you through the tough period. A simple rule of thumb guide is 1 shall have a minimum of 2-4 years of their annual expenses as a 36 CI coverage.

Below are the TOP 4 critical illnesses & their cost of treatment which account more than 60% from the claims statistic.

(I) Heart Attack - RM30,000 - RM100,000 sad.gif
(II) Stroke - RM50,000 - RM150,000 sweat.gif
(III) Cancer - RM30,000 - RM300,000. Chemotherapy can also range from RM2,000 to RM6,000 per session cry.gif
(IV) Kidney Failure - RM150,000 & above. Haemodialysis is estimated at RM2,000 / monthly cry.gif

1) Stroke
2) Heart Attack
3) Kidney Failure
4) Cancer
5) Coronary Artery By-Pass Surgery
6) Serious Coronary Artery Disease
7) Angioplasty And Other Invasive Treatments For Coronary Artery Disease*
8) End-Stage Liver Failure
9) Fulminant Viral Hepatitis
10) Coma
11) Benign Brain Tumor
12) Paralysis Of Limbs
13) Blindness
14) Deafness
15) Third Degree Burns
16) HIV Infection Due To Blood Transfusion
17) Full-Blown AIDS
18) End-Stage Lung Disease
19) Encephalitis
20) Major Organ / Bone Marrow Transplant
21) Loss Of Speech
22) Brain Surgery
23) Heart Valve Surgery
24) Loss Of Independent Existence
25) Bacterial Meningitis
26) Major Head Trauma
27) Chronic Aplastic Anemia
28) Motor Neuron Diseases
29) Parkinson’s Disease
30) Alzheimer’s Disease / Severe Dementia
31) Surgery To Aorta
32) Multiple Sclerosis
33) Primary Pulmonary Arterial Hypertension
34) Medullary Cystic Disease
35) Cardiomyopathy
36) Systemic Lupus Erythematosus (SLE) With Severe Kidney Complications

3)Life Insurance

Over the years, I've seen that there is a lot of confusion around this topic - from what type of insurance is best to how much you need and where to get it. With that in mind, below are the five most common mistakes people make when it comes to life insurance. Hopefully, through this list, you'll be able to get a better understanding of how life insurance works and why it's a good tool for you and your family. At the end of the day, we all just want to know that our loved ones will be taken care of after we're gone.

Mistake #1 - Having no life insurance at all

Many people simply overlook the importance of life insurance. It doesn't appear to be something they need and it can be viewed as an added expense. But take a second to stop and consider all the important people in your life. If you weren't there, how would they be impacted financially? It's not fun to think about, but by "playing dead" you can begin to understand that life insurance is a critical tool to ensuring your family feels financially supported should anything happen to you. For instance, if you have any outstanding debts or other financial obligations, a life insurance policy will help to ensure that those burdens do not fall entirely on your family members. Remember, it is also important to get life insurance sooner rather than later because the cost can increase exponentially as you age.

Mistake #2 - Relying solely on employer-provided workplace life insurance

Life insurance provided by your workplace is an excellent benefit and can serve as a good starting point for your base coverage. But remember any life insurance provided automatically as a benefit is just that - a starting point. You can purchase additional coverage through your employer or on your own to help fill the gap.

Mistake #3 - Only considering term life insurance

Term life insurance provides a "death" or "survivor" benefit, which is the amount beneficiaries receive if you pass away, for a certain period of time (15, 20 or 30 years are common increments), after which the coverage ends. An alternative solution would be to adopt cash value life insurance, which similarly provides a death benefit, but will grow over the years as long as you continue to fund the policy. Furthermore, cash value life insurance can help with financial obligations in a tax-advantaged way, whether it is paying for college, a business venture or retirement. These policies are generally more expensive, but can make a lot of sense if you are able to commit to regularly funding the policy.

Mistake #4 - Leaving retirement savings vulnerable

If you do not have any/enough life insurance, your family is likely to look to your retirement savings for financial support. This may seem like a safe solution for finding additional resources, but I would advise against using funds saved specifically for retirement for another purpose. If you are the higher earner in the family, your spouse may have been relying on those savings for his or her own retirement. Similarly, if your spouse is forced to liquidate or take large loans from the retirement account, it will hurt the potential long-term investment gains that would have benefitted your family down the road.

Mistake #5 - Guessing on how much life insurance you need

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4)Personal Accident

Most people will have two types of insurance cover: life insurance and health insurance. The purpose of life insurance is to cover the risk of early death and the purpose of health insurance is to act as a cushion against hospitalisation expenses. However, personal accident cover is equally important as compared to life and health cover. Firstly, it will provide financial support to the policyholder if he is disabled after an accident. Secondly, the magnitude of the mishap doesn't matter. Even minor ones like falling off a bicycle and breaking an arm, or fracturing a leg while playing football are covered by the policy. For merely RM150 yearly, 1 shall be easily covered for RM100,000. thumbup.gif thumbup.gif

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post Feb 21 2012, 02:54 PM

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QUOTE(Colaboy @ Feb 21 2012, 02:03 PM)
All right lets start this topic going on with our latest medical card which are hot from the oven  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
I'm very excited with this medical plan as it give such a great coverage to my customer with affordable premiums.

PRUflexi med

*112 combination
to choose from your preferred level of coverage.  Pick from 7 Hospital Daily Room & Board Allowance
& 16 Annual Limit options from RM50,000 up to RM200,000, then create a plan of your own

*Hopital Room & Board Allowance
If you are staying in a lower R&B than your chosen Hospital R&B Allowance, we will pay you back the difference in cash
as an allowance. Will not effect your Annual Limit!

*NO More BILL SHOCK!
Zero deductible & pay nothing when you are hospitalised or you can opt for deductible RM300 with a minimal fixed fees!!

*High Lifetime limit at 20 X Annual Limit

*90 days for Pre hospitalisation  & 90 days Post hospitalisation for out-patient treatment!!
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if we have an existing policy can we convert the policy to this new policy?

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TSColaboy
post Feb 21 2012, 04:17 PM

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QUOTE(umapathy @ Feb 21 2012, 02:54 PM)
if we have an existing policy can we convert the policy to this new policy?

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At the moment no.
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confirm ah outpatient no copayment?

Can compare premium table with pruhealth?
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damn i didn't know this latest plan is out already! need to get myself updated biggrin.gif
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post Feb 22 2012, 02:53 PM

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this is not standalone medical card, is it?
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QUOTE(mucklampir @ Feb 21 2012, 07:59 PM)
confirm ah outpatient no copayment?

Can compare premium table with pruhealth?
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need some time to work out on the premium diff . . will keep u guys updated


QUOTE(vandoren @ Feb 22 2012, 02:53 PM)
this is not standalone medical card, is it?
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it's attached to our investment-link plan ^^ very good features

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post Feb 22 2012, 05:15 PM

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i feel like it is too good to be true.. Any hidden setback? Others company do not want to follow?
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QUOTE(mucklampir @ Feb 22 2012, 05:15 PM)
i feel like it is too good to be true.. Any hidden setback? Others company do not want to follow?
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The terms & condition are pretty much same with PRUhealth. Only some changes here:

a) Hospital Daily Room & Board Allowance
Reimburse actual room & board charges (subject to daily limit of the
chosen room & board allowance amount for PRUflexi med) made by a
hospital during a hospital confinement, for up to 120 days per year. Any
remaining amount of room & board allowance above the actual room &
board charges will be paid to the policyholder. Any amount paid for this
benefit will not reduce the Overall Annual Limit or Lifetime Limit.

f) Post-hospitalisation Treatment Benefit
Reimburse actual charges for follow-up treatment performed within 90
days after hospital discharge for the medical condition for which
hospitalisation was required. This shall include the medicines prescribed
during follow up treatment but shall not exceed the supply needed for the
maximum 90 days.

e) Pre-hospitalisation Treatment Benefit
Reimburse actual charges for treatment, consultation, investigation and/or
diagnostic tests performed within 90 days prior to hospital admission date,
for a medical condition for which hospitalisation was required.
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QUOTE(Colaboy @ Feb 22 2012, 05:37 PM)
The terms & condition are pretty much same with PRUhealth.  Only some changes here:

a) Hospital Daily Room & Board Allowance
Reimburse actual room & board charges (subject to daily limit of the
chosen room & board allowance amount for PRUflexi med) made by a
hospital during a hospital confinement, for up to 120 days per year. Any
remaining amount of room & board allowance above the actual room &
board charges will be paid to the policyholder. Any amount paid for this
benefit will not reduce the Overall Annual Limit or Lifetime Limit.

f) Post-hospitalisation Treatment Benefit
Reimburse actual charges for follow-up treatment performed within 90
days after hospital discharge for the medical condition for which
hospitalisation was required. This shall include the medicines prescribed
during follow up treatment but shall not exceed the supply needed for the
maximum 90 days.

e) Pre-hospitalisation Treatment Benefit
Reimburse actual charges for treatment, consultation, investigation and/or
diagnostic tests performed within 90 days prior to hospital admission date,
for a medical condition for which hospitalisation was required.
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if exceeding R/B rate need to topup the difference onli or will have copayment of total cost?
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QUOTE(mucklampir @ Feb 22 2012, 06:20 PM)
if exceeding R/B rate need to topup the difference onli or will have copayment of total cost?
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top up the balance only icon_idea.gif
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hey.

this plan sound not bad. can i add the CD and ECP to the investment-linked plan?

I tried to search the plan info from pru website however couldn't find it. any brochure to share?

thanks heaps.
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QUOTE(gtks @ Mar 6 2012, 10:28 AM)
hey.

this plan sound not bad. can i add the CD and ECP to the investment-linked plan?

I tried to search the plan info from pru website however couldn't find it. any brochure to share?

thanks heaps.
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yap . . . you can attached to the investment-link plan under PRUlink One

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Is the annual premium rate table for PruHealth in the brochure the fixed annual premium payable? Or is it just the insurance charge?

Eg. If I take up PruHealth 400, expiry 70, and I'm currently age 23, does that mean I just need to pay RM1,726.00 yearly? Or once I reach age 26, I will need to pay RM1,824.00?

The fine print says annual premium rate, instead of insurance charge like other companies, so I'm confused on that part. And also, comparatively, PruHealth's premium is extorbitantly high compared to competitors:

Comparatively, in the 350-400 range:
PruHealth 400 - RM1,726.00 yearly
GE SmartMedic 400 rider - RM841 yearly
Hong Leong MediGlobal - 400, ILP rider - RM 1015.20 yearly
AIA Excelcare Plus - 350 rider - RM 805.00 yearly

(Source: http://senseofmoney.blogspot.com)

Hope any Pru agents can help clarify this. If the premium stated in the brochure is the fixed annual premium payable, then it would be great, coz I heard many good reviews of Prudential from my friends.

If that's the insurance charges, then.... its just way to expensive....

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As what i know, the lifetime limit stated isnt highest in the market, AIA's ECP+MCP doesnt have a lifetime limit...
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QUOTE(saintprayer @ Mar 7 2012, 10:17 PM)
As what i know, the lifetime limit stated isnt highest in the market, AIA's ECP+MCP doesnt have a lifetime limit...
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doesnt have a lifetime limit is good but is the policy guaranteed renewable?? icon_question.gif
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QUOTE(Colaboy @ Mar 8 2012, 02:30 PM)
doesnt have a lifetime limit is good but is the policy guaranteed renewable??  icon_question.gif
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It is guaranteed renewable up to age 100.

But you are the pro in this field, maybe you can furnish me little extra info on this rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(saintprayer @ Mar 8 2012, 03:19 PM)
It is guaranteed renewable up to age 100.

But you are the pro in this field, maybe you can furnish me little extra info on this rclxms.gif
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well i prefer to not comment on other company products
i believe all have its pro & cons, go through a plan cafefully & buy from a good servicing agent
will be the best plan for you icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(Limster88 @ Mar 7 2012, 07:04 PM)
Is the annual premium rate table for PruHealth in the brochure the fixed annual premium payable? Or is it just the insurance charge?

Eg. If I take up PruHealth 400, expiry 70, and I'm currently age 23, does that mean I just need to pay RM1,726.00 yearly? Or once I reach age 26, I will need to pay RM1,824.00?

The fine print says annual premium rate, instead of insurance charge like other companies, so I'm confused on that part. And also, comparatively, PruHealth's premium is extorbitantly high compared to competitors:

Comparatively, in the 350-400 range:
PruHealth 400 - RM1,726.00 yearly
GE SmartMedic 400 rider - RM841 yearly
Hong Leong MediGlobal - 400, ILP rider - RM 1015.20 yearly
AIA Excelcare Plus - 350 rider - RM 805.00 yearly

(Source: http://senseofmoney.blogspot.com)

Hope any Pru agents can help clarify this. If the premium stated in the brochure is the fixed annual premium payable, then it would be great, coz I heard many good reviews of Prudential from my friends.

If that's the insurance charges, then.... its just way to expensive....
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Its depend on the age band. Below is the link
http://www2.prudential.com.my/export/sites...Uhealth_eng.pdf

I doubt the new plan will be cheaper than the previous plan.

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QUOTE(MNet @ Mar 8 2012, 07:57 PM)
Its depend on the age band. Below is the link
http://www2.prudential.com.my/export/sites...Uhealth_eng.pdf

I doubt the new plan will be cheaper than the previous plan.
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the new plan premium will be close to PRUhealth, below are just a sample of the highest coverage for each plan
which include a basic life RM12K & also a waiver rider for a male below age 30 (non-smoker) hmm.gif

FlexiMed
*Premium - RM222/month
*Coverage - RM200,000 p.a / RM4 Mil lifetime
*Room & Board - Will pay you back the difference in cash as an allowance
*Pay only RM300 when you are admited RM300min - RM1,000max or 10% co-insurance

PruHealth
*Premium - RM212/month
*Coverage - RM150,000 p.a / RM1.5 Mil lifetime
*NCB - No Claim Bonus - RM500 per year
*RM300min - RM1,000max or 10% co-insurance

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QUOTE(Colaboy @ Mar 9 2012, 12:54 AM)
the new plan premium will be close to PRUhealth, below are just a sample of the highest coverage for each plan
which include a basic life RM12K & also a waiver rider for a male below age 30 (non-smoker)  hmm.gif

FlexiMed               
*Premium - RM222/month                                                                   
*Coverage - RM200,000 p.a / RM4 Mil lifetime             
*Room & Board - Will pay you back the difference in cash as an allowance
*Pay only RM300 when you are admited      RM300min - RM1,000max or 10% co-insurance

PruHealth
*Premium - RM212/month
*Coverage - RM150,000 p.a / RM1.5 Mil lifetime
*NCB - No Claim Bonus - RM500 per year
*RM300min - RM1,000max or 10% co-insurance
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Seem like FlexiMed is a better deal... make me jealous lah (I'm having PruHealth), does it means Prudential don't give any incentive to 'old customer'? cry.gif

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QUOTE(Colaboy @ Mar 8 2012, 11:54 PM)
the new plan premium will be close to PRUhealth, below are just a sample of the highest coverage for each plan
which include a basic life RM12K & also a waiver rider for a male below age 30 (non-smoker)  hmm.gif

FlexiMed               
*Premium - RM222/month                                                                    
*Coverage - RM200,000 p.a / RM4 Mil lifetime              
*Room & Board - Will pay you back the difference in cash as an allowance
*Pay only RM300 when you are admited      RM300min - RM1,000max or 10% co-insurance

PruHealth
*Premium - RM212/month
*Coverage - RM150,000 p.a / RM1.5 Mil lifetime
*NCB - No Claim Bonus - RM500 per year
*RM300min - RM1,000max or 10% co-insurance
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If no claim on medical (which is highly probably for a normal person), then NCB (No Claim Bonus) has to take into account.

That mean RM500(NCB)/12 = RM 42.00 (roughly)

Therefore the net premium for Pruhealth should be RM170 per month( RM212-RM42).

Compare with Pru FlexiMed RM222 per month, Pruhealth is 30% cheaper (RM222-RM170/RM170).

This 30% is used to offset increase in benefit (e.g. Coverage RM200,000 (150,000 Pruhealth).
Overall, it is no much difference though new medical policy seem to cover more.

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QUOTE(clickNsnap @ Mar 9 2012, 12:30 AM)
Seem like FlexiMed is a better deal... make me jealous lah (I'm having PruHealth), does it means Prudential don't give any incentive to 'old customer'?  cry.gif
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Personally I prefer Pruhealth, I notice Pruhealth policy holder will have much higher cash value after sometime due to the NCB. Don't worry you got urself a great deal.
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Do you have premium VS age band for the new plan?
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I have a question want to ask the masters from the Prudential.

I have a Prudential Insurance that I bought 6 years ago. Currently I want to upgrade my plan to a better plan.

But I found myself difficult to communicate with my current Prudential agent that sold me the plan 6 years ago.

My situation happen like this.

I am a University graduate and working in financial industry for many years. So I have the knowledge and background in the financial products. My insurance agent not even graduate from SPM.

Last few days, I called up my agent saying that I want to upgrade my current plan.

First day, he came to my house. He spend 4 hours to talk, talk and talk. I found myself difficult to understand what is he talking about? Many of the things I already knew as I have friends who are agents from other Insurance Company. I told him what I want and what are my concern. But he told me his things and not straight away answer to my questions. At the end he told me this is his things and this is my things and ask me to sum it up. What is this???? He is unable to answer to my questions and not paying attention to my concern.

My younger sister and mum also interested to buy the insurance from Prudential. But he came up a plan that is so expensive for both of them. And my new plan also very expensive. This make my younger sis not happy with it.

At the end, he say he need to come to my house the next day as his things not yet finish. So, the second day, he came again for 3 hours and continue his talking. I was a bit lost my patience and tell him plz listen to what are my concerns and what are my questions. But he still continue his talking. This really make me rclxub.gif rclxub.gif. At the end he only make me to have more doubts and more questions. Also it's seem that many things he is trying not to let me know. He seem not honest to me. shakehead.gif After so long he's talking, I not even know the name of the plan he is recommend to me. shakehead.gif

If i am not satisfied with my current agent, can I know how many time do Prudential will allow me to change my agent? Can I change my agent until I am satisfied with it? Plz help. Thanks.
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QUOTE(gizz119 @ Mar 12 2012, 10:40 AM)
I have a question want to ask the masters from the Prudential.

I have a Prudential Insurance that I bought 6 years ago. Currently I want to upgrade my plan to a better plan.

But I found myself difficult to communicate with my current Prudential agent that sold me the plan 6 years ago.

My situation happen like this.

I am a University graduate and working in financial industry for many years. So I have the knowledge and background in the financial products. My insurance agent not even graduate from SPM.

Last few days, I called up my agent saying that I want to upgrade my current plan.

First day, he came to my house. He spend 4 hours to talk, talk and talk. I found myself difficult to understand what is he talking about? Many of the things I already knew as I have friends who are agents from other Insurance Company. I told him what I want and what are my concern. But he told me his things and not straight away answer to my questions. At the end he told me this is his things and this is my things and ask me to sum it up. What is this???? He is unable to  answer to my questions and not paying attention to my concern.

My younger sister and mum also interested to buy the insurance from Prudential. But he came up a plan that is so expensive for both of them. And my new plan also very expensive. This make my younger sis not happy with it.

At the end, he say he need to come to my house the next day as his things not yet finish. So, the second day, he came again for 3 hours and continue his talking. I was a bit lost my patience and tell him plz listen to what are my concerns and what are my questions. But he still continue his talking. This really make me  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif. At the end he only make me to have more doubts and more questions. Also it's seem that many things he is trying not to let me know. He seem not honest to me.  shakehead.gif  After so long he's talking, I not even know the name of the plan he is recommend to me.  shakehead.gif

If i am not satisfied with my current agent, can I know how many time do Prudential will allow me to change my agent? Can I change my agent until I am satisfied with it? Plz help. Thanks.
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since your policy is 6 YO, i believe most likely it's PRUlink Assurance Plan series 5. it is possible for you to upgrade your benefits within this account itself and i don't see a need for you to get a new account (unless you want a different account such as endowment?). if just for normal upgrade like sum assured, critical illness cover, medical cover, PA, you can always look for a new agent to get it done for you by you transferring the servicing rights to the new agent. just need to sign a form and that's it. get an agent who actually listens to you and understands your needs. peace mate!

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QUOTE(gizz119 @ Mar 12 2012, 10:40 AM)
I have a question want to ask the masters from the Prudential.

I have a Prudential Insurance that I bought 6 years ago. Currently I want to upgrade my plan to a better plan.

But I found myself difficult to communicate with my current Prudential agent that sold me the plan 6 years ago.

My situation happen like this.

I am a University graduate and working in financial industry for many years. So I have the knowledge and background in the financial products. My insurance agent not even graduate from SPM.

Last few days, I called up my agent saying that I want to upgrade my current plan.

First day, he came to my house. He spend 4 hours to talk, talk and talk. I found myself difficult to understand what is he talking about? Many of the things I already knew as I have friends who are agents from other Insurance Company. I told him what I want and what are my concern. But he told me his things and not straight away answer to my questions. At the end he told me this is his things and this is my things and ask me to sum it up. What is this???? He is unable to  answer to my questions and not paying attention to my concern.

My younger sister and mum also interested to buy the insurance from Prudential. But he came up a plan that is so expensive for both of them. And my new plan also very expensive. This make my younger sis not happy with it.

At the end, he say he need to come to my house the next day as his things not yet finish. So, the second day, he came again for 3 hours and continue his talking. I was a bit lost my patience and tell him plz listen to what are my concerns and what are my questions. But he still continue his talking. This really make me  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif. At the end he only make me to have more doubts and more questions. Also it's seem that many things he is trying not to let me know. He seem not honest to me.  shakehead.gif  After so long he's talking, I not even know the name of the plan he is recommend to me.  shakehead.gif

If i am not satisfied with my current agent, can I know how many time do Prudential will allow me to change my agent? Can I change my agent until I am satisfied with it? Plz help. Thanks.
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I just got my Prudential policy from agent after approved for almost 5 months
He is my good friend's friend whom I know also. Looks like he got inyo new business and quite inactive at.he moment
He don't even pass yhe policy n explain to me. Instead he ask my friend pass to me.

I feel like surrender the policy and apply new one ... Is it advisable?

After go through the policy on my own, I think this is prulife ready with investment
Each mth pay rm180. I found out a lot things seem to be differ from what I told..

Can I change to another plan? Or readjust the amount allocation?

Can I also switch to new agent who can guide me thru my policy and my queries?

Thanks a lot
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QUOTE(phra09 @ Mar 23 2012, 12:43 PM)
I just got my Prudential policy from agent after approved for almost 5 months
He is my good friend's friend whom I know also. Looks like he got inyo new business and quite inactive at.he moment
He don't even pass yhe policy n explain to me. Instead he ask my friend pass to me.

I feel like surrender the policy and apply new one ... Is it advisable?

After go through the policy on my own, I think this is prulife ready with investment
Each mth pay rm180. I found out a lot things seem to be differ from what I told..

Can I change to another plan? Or readjust the amount allocation?

Can I also switch to new agent who can guide me thru my policy and my queries?

Thanks a lot
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Well that's should not be the way . . . after all you are his customer. rclxub.gif

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QUOTE(phra09 @ Mar 23 2012, 12:43 PM)
I just got my Prudential policy from agent after approved for almost 5 months
He is my good friend's friend whom I know also. Looks like he got inyo new business and quite inactive at.he moment
He don't even pass yhe policy n explain to me. Instead he ask my friend pass to me.

I feel like surrender the policy and apply new one ... Is it advisable?

After go through the policy on my own, I think this is prulife ready with investment
Each mth pay rm180. I found out a lot things seem to be differ from what I told..

Can I change to another plan? Or readjust the amount allocation?

Can I also switch to new agent who can guide me thru my policy and my queries?

Thanks a lot
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Getting a LIFE insurance is an extremely long term commitment. It may be longer than your housing loans and some will be as long as you're alive!

Before you surrender the policy, please do seek a second opinion on the policy that you've bought. It is never beneficial to cancel the policy. If you have a scanner, scan the page have the details of the coverage, the number of terms and email it to me, stevenung1971@gmail.com. I'll be more than happy to advice what you had done.

Remember, it is not your friend who will eventually pays for the hospitalization bill, but the insurance company. If your plan is good, just switch to another agent.

However when you transfer the policy to the new agent, he/she does not earn any commission (which is our bread & butter). We could only hope that you kesian us and recommend us to your friends, that is if you're satisfied with the newly appointed agent.

HTH,

Roy Steven Ung, 016-451 5957
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Added on March 26, 2012, 9:01 pm
QUOTE(gizz119 @ Mar 12 2012, 10:40 AM)
I have a question want to ask the masters from the Prudential.

I have a Prudential Insurance that I bought 6 years ago. Currently I want to upgrade my plan to a better plan.

But I found myself difficult to communicate with my current Prudential agent that sold me the plan 6 years ago.

My situation happen like this.

I am a University graduate and working in financial industry for many years. So I have the knowledge and background in the financial products. My insurance agent not even graduate from SPM.

Last few days, I called up my agent saying that I want to upgrade my current plan.

First day, he came to my house. He spend 4 hours to talk, talk and talk. I found myself difficult to understand what is he talking about? Many of the things I already knew as I have friends who are agents from other Insurance Company. I told him what I want and what are my concern. But he told me his things and not straight away answer to my questions. At the end he told me this is his things and this is my things and ask me to sum it up. What is this???? He is unable to  answer to my questions and not paying attention to my concern.

My younger sister and mum also interested to buy the insurance from Prudential. But he came up a plan that is so expensive for both of them. And my new plan also very expensive. This make my younger sis not happy with it.

At the end, he say he need to come to my house the next day as his things not yet finish. So, the second day, he came again for 3 hours and continue his talking. I was a bit lost my patience and tell him plz listen to what are my concerns and what are my questions. But he still continue his talking. This really make me  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif. At the end he only make me to have more doubts and more questions. Also it's seem that many things he is trying not to let me know. He seem not honest to me.  shakehead.gif  After so long he's talking, I not even know the name of the plan he is recommend to me.  shakehead.gif

If i am not satisfied with my current agent, can I know how many time do Prudential will allow me to change my agent? Can I change my agent until I am satisfied with it? Plz help. Thanks.
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As you may already know older medical cards, no doubt is very good in the terms & conditions lacks the lifetime limit cover. The medical inflation is at 15% per annum currently and people having RM150K lifetime limit may find themselves medically board out should they are down with an severe illness / accident.

Hence it is always good to review the medical card every 5 years to curb the medical inflation. The medical upgrading you may opt to upgrade the room & board. Today at a private hospital, a 2 bedded room costs RM 150~ 180 per day and if you're carrying the RM100 plan, you may need to pay the difference should hospitalization occurs. However that is very minor as to compared to the lifetime limit increase.

If you're being offered to upgrade to Pruhealth not only it retains the old term & conditions it also gives the client up to 10 times the lifetime limit. As honest as I can be, the reason why you may be able to selected as still able to upgrade is because you have not claimed before. If you've claimed you may not be selected, but we could appeal if it is a minor claim.

However (this applies to any insurer), once you've made a major claim - sadly to say that not only you're not able to do any upgrading, you can never get another life insurance policy (even from other company).

You can change the servicing agent - it is your right to do so. Do note that policies after 6 years is no longer any commission and I'm sure many full time agents are more willing to help you get the transfer done because our business is a servicing related and is helping people.

We always take a look at your commitment, cash flow & most importantly your needs but most importantly providing you with sound information to make the right decision.

Give me a ring anytime, if you want to chat. Meeting up would be the best.

HTH

Roy Steven Ung,
H/P: 016-451 5957 email: stevenung1971@gmail.com
Prudential Assurance (M) Bhd
KWSP Penang






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Personally I prefer Pruhealth, I notice Pruhealth policy holder will have much higher cash value after sometime due to the NCB. Don't worry you got urself a great deal.
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What are the pro and con bewteen Pruhealth and PRUflexi Med? Still didnt seem much differ and Pruhealth got NCB which look better
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QUOTE(kcyau @ Apr 3 2012, 03:35 PM)
What are the pro and con bewteen Pruhealth and PRUflexi Med? Still didnt seem much differ and Pruhealth got NCB which look better
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Its depend on individual actually . . . some prefer fleximed because of 0 co-insurance
some like you prefer PruHealth because of NCB, it caters for different market


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QUOTE(kcyau @ Apr 3 2012, 03:35 PM)
What are the pro and con bewteen Pruhealth and PRUflexi Med? Still didnt seem much differ and Pruhealth got NCB which look better
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I wouldn't call it pro/con as like Colaboy said, its up to individuals based on budget & needs. However the new PruFlexiMed do look interesting.

Here is a list of differences between PH & PFM.

1. Daily Room & Board choice:
- PH is able to choose which plan they want, 100, 150, 200, 300, 400
- PFM, No fixed plan, clients can choose based on their budget & needs,
Min 100, increment in the multiple of RM50, Max 400
Payments under R&B for PFM does not reduce the annual limit
If you stay in a lower R&B, we will pay you back the difference

2. Outpatient treatment benefit:
- PH Prehospitalization, 30 days before admission
- PFM Prehospitalization, 90 days before admission

3. Emergency Treatment for accidental injury
- PH, depending on the R&B selected, 1K, 1.5k, 2k, 3k, 4k
- PFM, 2% of the annual limit

4. Annual Limit
- PH, depending on the R&B selected, 50K, 62.5k, 75k, 100k, 150k
- PFM, min RM 50K, increments in multiples of RM 10K, max RM200k

5. Lifetime limit
- PH, up to 10x annual limit, if annual limit is RM 150K, lifetime limit = 1.5m
- PFM, up to 20x annual limit, if annual limit is RM 150K, lifetime limit = 3m

6. Co-Insurance
- PH, Inpatient 10%, Min RM 300, Max Rm 1k. Outpatient, 10%, Max Rm 2K. Deductible choice of RM 3K or RM 10k
- PFM, deductible of RM 0 (no co-insurance) or a Rm 300

7. No Claim Bonus
- PH, depending on the R&B selected, Rm 100, RM 150, RM 300, Rm 400, RM 500
- PH, able to attach PruAnnual Limit Waiver, if exceeds annual limit, client just pay RM 10% co-insurance on the balance
- PFM, Not available for NCB

8. Exclusions, PH & PFM no difference.

Other features not mentioned here are the same between PH & PFM.

Due to the No Co-Insurance / RM 300 co-insurance the premium for PFM is about 10% more than PH.

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QUOTE(roystevenung @ Apr 4 2012, 08:18 AM)
I wouldn't call it pro/con as like Colaboy said, its up to individuals based on budget & needs. However the new PruFlexiMed do look interesting.

Here is a list of differences between PH & PFM.

1. Daily Room & Board choice:
  - PH is able to choose which plan they want, 100, 150, 200, 300, 400
  - PFM, No fixed plan, clients can choose based on their budget & needs,
              Min 100, increment in the multiple of RM50, Max 400
              Payments under R&B for PFM does not reduce the annual limit
              If you stay in a lower R&B, we will pay you back the difference

4. Annual Limit
    - PH, depending on the R&B selected, 50K, 62.5k, 75k, 100k, 150k
    - PFM, min RM 50K, increments in multiples of RM 10K, max RM200k
what does PFM mean in "the increment in the multiple amount"?


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QUOTE(kcyau @ Apr 4 2012, 09:01 AM)
what does PFM mean in "the increment in the multiple amount"?
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It means the client can select whether they want to have a minimum annual limit of RM 50K or they can choose RM 60k, 70k... till RM 200K, irrespective if they have a RM 100 R&B! Now that's what we call flexibility. Nice right?

For PH the R&B you selected determines your annual and lifetime limit.
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QUOTE(roystevenung @ Apr 4 2012, 09:06 AM)
It means the client can select whether they want to have a minimum annual limit of RM 50K or they can choose RM 60k, 70k... till RM 200K, irrespective if they have a RM 100 R&B! Now that's what we call flexibility. Nice right?

For PH the R&B you selected determines your annual and lifetime limit.
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I had checkout with 1 of the agent from prudential..

FlexiMed
*Premium - RM300/month
*Coverage - RM80,000 p.a / RM1.6 Mil lifetime
*Room & Board - RM100
*Pay Zero when admited
*CI - RM150,000
*PA - RM50,000
*Death - RM150,000
*TDP - RM150,000

until 70 yr old, consider ok?
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QUOTE(kcyau @ Apr 10 2012, 02:35 PM)
I had checkout with 1 of the agent from prudential..

FlexiMed               
*Premium - RM300/month                                                                   
*Coverage - RM80,000 p.a / RM1.6 Mil lifetime             
*Room & Board - RM100
*Pay Zero when admited
*CI - RM150,000
*PA - RM50,000
*Death - RM150,000
*TDP - RM150,000

until 70 yr old, consider ok?
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1. If you're okay to be staying at a RM 100/day room (6 bedded) or don't mind paying the difference in room rates, then RM 100 R/B is okay. We don't get admitted that often anyway.

2. I wouldn't term it as Pay Zero when admitted. Clients are normally required to put in a deposit, RM 300~500 (depending on hospital).

Do note that take home drugs, examination test & long term medications is not payable under the new policy contract.

3. If possible, top up the PA to RM200K as its cheap

Overall looks good.

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QUOTE(roystevenung @ Apr 10 2012, 04:35 PM)
1. If you're okay to be staying at a RM 100/day room (6 bedded) or don't mind paying the difference in room rates, then RM 100 R/B is okay. We don't get admitted that often anyway.

2. I wouldn't term it as Pay Zero when admitted. Clients are normally required to put in a deposit, RM 300~500 (depending on hospital).

Do note that take home drugs, examination test & long term medications is not payable under the new policy contract.

3. If possible, top up the PA to RM200K as its cheap

Overall looks good.
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"Do note that take home drugs, examination test & long term medications is not payable under the new policy contract."

what u mean by that? meaning this new policy didnt cover long term medications compare to the old policy... eg. Pruhealth?
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QUOTE(kcyau @ Apr 10 2012, 05:11 PM)
"Do note that take home drugs, examination test & long term medications is not payable under the new policy contract."

what u mean by that? meaning this new policy didnt cover long term medications compare to the old policy... eg. Pruhealth?
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PruHealth is under the new policy contract since 2008 (or 2009 cant remember). The older PruMajorMed cards are the ones that does cover the long term medication, take home drugs.


Added on April 10, 2012, 7:33 pm
QUOTE(phra09 @ Mar 23 2012, 12:43 PM)
I just got my Prudential policy from agent after approved for almost 5 months
He is my good friend's friend whom I know also. Looks like he got inyo new business and quite inactive at.he moment
He don't even pass yhe policy n explain to me. Instead he ask my friend pass to me.

I feel like surrender the policy and apply new one ... Is it advisable?

After go through the policy on my own, I think this is prulife ready with investment
Each mth pay rm180. I found out a lot things seem to be differ from what I told..

Can I change to another plan? Or readjust the amount allocation?

Can I also switch to new agent who can guide me thru my policy and my queries?

Thanks a lot
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Just wondering whether you've found another agent, if not, I'd be glad to help you understand the benefits / limitations of the plan. Don't worry, we are trained not to cancel people's policy :-)

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Added on April 15, 2012, 9:51 am
QUOTE(roystevenung @ Apr 10 2012, 07:31 PM)
PruHealth is under the new policy contract since 2008 (or 2009 cant remember). The older PruMajorMed cards are the ones that does cover the long term medication, take home drugs.


Added on April 10, 2012, 7:33 pm

Just wondering whether you've found another agent, if not, I'd be glad to help you understand the benefits / limitations of the plan. Don't worry, we are trained not to cancel people's policy :-)
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I agree with you, we are trained not to cancel people's policy. The agents are train to educate people and make people understand about insurance.

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need some help from agent here too. i also bad luck to have a very bad agent now want to change agent as well.

im 24 this year, non smoker, male, class 3 paying rm200 every month now

-plan to upgrade my PRUmajor med 4 150(cover untill 70 years old)

to pruhealth 150(cover untill age 80)
or
to pruhealth 100 (cover untill age80) + PRUmedic auto upgrade

wanted to know that how much that i need to add? and which one cheaper?or u have any better recommend?

-may i know what is weekly indemnity after ready my the policy feel like its dont do much feel like cancel it. Can i do that?

-recently brought a house rm500k so wanted to buy house loan insurance this agent quote me feel wired that how come the money that i can take back after 16 years for example the saving that i can take back will be getting lesser and lesser every year? Ask the agent he cant answer me? he said that because the premium will increase will i getting old that why after 16 years i get back less?? if like that at year 16 i better draw all the money out from the saving part right? keep inside there end up getting less money in the end. am i right? correct me if im wrong?

-if lets say i pass away at age 80 or 90 due to natural causes not because of 36ci or accident will my kids get the rm500k?

thanks


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QUOTE(Jeffery WL @ Apr 17 2012, 09:57 AM)
need some help from agent here too. i also bad luck to have a very bad agent now want to change agent as well.

im 24 this year, non smoker, male, class 3 paying rm200 every month now

-plan to upgrade my PRUmajor med 4 150(cover untill 70 years old)

to pruhealth 150(cover untill age 80)
or
to pruhealth 100 (cover untill age80) + PRUmedic auto upgrade

wanted to know that how much that i need to add? and which one cheaper?or u have any better recommend?

-may i know what is weekly indemnity after ready my the policy feel like its dont do much feel like cancel it. Can i do that?

-recently brought a house rm500k so wanted to buy house loan insurance this agent quote me feel wired that how come the money that i can take back after 16 years for example the saving that i can take back will be getting lesser and lesser every year? Ask the agent he cant answer me? he said that because the premium will increase will i getting old that why after 16 years i get back less?? if like that at year 16 i better draw all the money out from the saving part right? keep inside there end up getting less money in the end. am i right? correct me if im wrong?

-if lets say i pass away at age 80 or 90 due to natural causes not because of 36ci or accident will my kids get the rm500k?
 
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1. In order for other agents to help you do the upgrade & to calculate how much difference the premium would be, you need to provide me with the policy number, IC & life assured name. We'll need to get our office to do a calculations on how much the premium would be. PM me your policy number or email your details to stevenung1971@gmail.com (confidentiality assured)

Also bear in mind that when we talk about upgrading, it is to increase/add on the benefits ONTO THE SAME POLICY. Your policy number will remain intact. You stand to lose if you get a new policy, along with the waiting period and all.

*To increase the coverage to age 80, the plan needs to be at least PruHealth 150 (150 R&B).*

We could run a comparison table for you. You decide whether you're comfortable with the added premium.

2. The class 3 is noted. However is there any changes to the health & smoking status since you got that PMM4? If yes that would reduce the premium, or increase the premium (if you are now smoking).

3. Weekly Indemnity pays a weekly benefit in the event of temporary disability due to accidental causes. One unit of Weekly Indemnity pays RM100 perweek for temporary total disability and RM50 per week for temporary partial disability, subject to a total of 104 weeks.

If your work is 'accident' prone, then my suggestion is that you keep it intact. In most cases accidents recovery needs at least 3-6 months to recover. If your company doesnt give you money, we give :-)

4. It'll depends on what MRTA that you're getting. Life insurance is about COVERAGE. Investment/savings is secondary. *Touchwood* if you were to 'kick the bucket' earlier, the bank will want to get back the loan of RM 500K, no matter what. Insurance policy is used to pay the loan. However, some MRTA insurance only covers death, not CI.

This means if down with CI, unable to work but still need to pay housing loan - ciak lat. If you have the budget, just buy a CI that is able to cover your housing loan and use that as guarantee to the bank. You'd need the CI anyway, hence kills two birds with one stone. CI with cash value would be pricier than the normal MRTA though.

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QUOTE(Jeffery WL @ Apr 17 2012, 09:57 AM)
need some help from agent here too. i also bad luck to have a very bad agent now want to change agent as well.

im 24 this year, non smoker, male, class 3 paying rm200 every month now

-plan to upgrade my PRUmajor med 4 150(cover untill 70 years old)

to pruhealth 150(cover untill age 80)
or
to pruhealth 100 (cover untill age80) + PRUmedic auto upgrade

upgrade to PruHealth 150 /  PruHealth 200 up to age 80 if you have the budget.
cause the NCB for  PruHealth 200 is RM300


wanted to know that how much that i need to add? and which one cheaper?or u have any better recommend?

-may i know what is weekly indemnity after ready my the policy feel like its dont do much feel like cancel it. Can i do that?

It's MC due to accidental cases & company shall pay you base on how many units purchase / weeks unfit for work.


-recently brought a house rm500k so wanted to buy house loan insurance this agent quote me feel wired that how come the money that i can take back after 16 years for example the saving that i can take back will be getting lesser and lesser every year? Ask the agent he cant answer me? he said that because the premium will increase will i getting old that why after 16 years i get back less?? if like that at year 16 i better draw all the money out from the saving part right? keep inside there end up getting less money in the end. am i right? correct me if im wrong?

its because the plan is a morgage plan for your housing loan.  . . . . each year your housing loan will reduce & so will the sum assured.
Well you could purchase a term life or MLTA for your housing loan . . . pm me if you wish to know more  thumbup.gif


if lets say i pass away at age 80 or 90 due to natural causes not because of 36ci or accident will my kids get the rm500k?
If you purchase a life plan YES . . . . . if you purchase a morgage or term NO, because as when you reach age 80 your plan
is already matured

 
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Hi I would just like to clarify something..is kidney dialysis also subject to co-insurance in PRUFlexiMed? If it is, then doesn't it defeat the purpose of covering kidney dialysis when a dialysis session only costs ~RM300, and hence paying a RM300 co-insurance would be redundant.
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QUOTE(drew86 @ May 29 2012, 10:28 PM)
Hi I would just like to clarify something..is kidney dialysis also subject to co-insurance in PRUFlexiMed?  If it is, then doesn't it defeat the purpose of covering kidney dialysis when a dialysis session only costs ~RM300, and hence paying a RM300 co-insurance would be redundant.
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Under the PruFlexiMed plan, you have the option to select RM 300 deductible or Zero Deductible (ZD). If you chose the RM 300 deductible, this means that the minimum that you need to pay is RM 300. If you choose the ZD, Prudential will absorb the bill. The deductibles will be reapplied after the 90 days per incident.

The premium for RM300 deductible is relatively cheaper as compared to the ZD.

The deductible is applied per event within the 90 days period from the last discharge date. Any subsequent events of the same diagnosis occurring after the 90 days period from the last discharge date will be subjected to another round of of deductible.

Example of a RM 300 Deductible for Kidney Dialysis
1st Kidney Dialysis: 20Feb ---> RM 300 is payable
2nd Kidney Dialysis: 20Mar ---> no deductible is being applied as it is still within the 90days from last event in Feb
3rd Kidney Dialysis: 20Apr ---> no deductible is being applied as it is still within the 90days from last event in Mar
4th Kidney Dialysis: 20May ---> no deductible is being applied as it is still within the 90days from last event in Apr
5th Kidney Dialysis: 20Oct ---> RM 300 is payable as it is after 90 days from the last event in May

Hope the above clarifies your doubts.




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which one is better?

prudential Assurance OR BSNprudential takaful?
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which one is better?

prudential Assurance OR BSNprudential takaful?
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In terms of claims, both are equally good.

For Muslim who wants Syariah compliant products we'd go for PruBSN Takaful. However do note that for Prudential Assurance we are also able to choose the Islamic fund, Dana Unggul, Dana Urus & Dana Aman.

Prudential Assurance has more range of products since it has been in Malaysia for 88 years.
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Under the PruFlexiMed plan, you have the option to select RM 300 deductible or Zero Deductible (ZD). If you chose the RM 300 deductible, this means that the minimum that you need to pay is RM 300. If you choose the ZD, Prudential will absorb the bill. The deductibles will be reapplied after the 90 days per incident.

The premium for RM300 deductible is relatively cheaper as compared to the ZD.

The deductible is applied per event within the 90 days period from the last discharge date. Any subsequent events of the same diagnosis occurring after the 90 days period from the last discharge date will be subjected to another round of of deductible.

Example of a RM 300 Deductible for Kidney Dialysis
1st Kidney Dialysis: 20Feb ---> RM 300 is payable
2nd Kidney Dialysis: 20Mar ---> no deductible is being applied as it is still within the 90days from last event in Feb
3rd Kidney Dialysis: 20Apr ---> no deductible is being applied as it is still within the 90days from last event in Mar
4th Kidney Dialysis: 20May ---> no deductible is being applied as it is still within the 90days from last event in Apr
5th Kidney Dialysis: 20Oct ---> RM 300 is payable as it is after 90 days from the last event in May

Hope the above clarifies your doubts.
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Thank you for your detailed explanation. Hence in the case of dialysis being a permanent requirement for a patient (i.e. needing 3 sessions per week), the RM300 co-insurance is only payable once every 90 days? Please correct me if I am wrong. Cheers! biggrin.gif
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Thank you for your detailed explanation.  Hence in the case of dialysis being a permanent  requirement for a patient (i.e. needing 3 sessions per week), the RM300 co-insurance is only payable once every 90 days?  Please correct me if I am wrong.  Cheers! biggrin.gif
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If you opt for the RM 300 deductible, and based on your example, yes you only need to pay Rm 300 per every 90days on the last event of the same incident.

If you choose zero deductible, you don't need to pay.
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im 24 this year, non smoker
What is the best plan for me

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QUOTE(PokkaDrinker @ Jun 10 2012, 08:59 PM)
im 24 this year, non smoker, male but I am hepatitis B carrier.
Am I still able to get any of the offered medical card ?
From my understand it's possible but any medical condition related to liver would be excluded.
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im 24 this year, non smoker, male but I am hepatitis B carrier.
Am I still able to get any of the offered medical card ?
From my understand it's possible but any medical condition related to liver would be excluded.
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QUOTE(roystevenung @ May 30 2012, 03:03 PM)
In terms of claims, both are equally good.

For Muslim who wants Syariah compliant products we'd go for PruBSN Takaful. However do note that for Prudential Assurance we are also able to choose the Islamic fund, Dana Unggul, Dana Urus & Dana Aman.

Prudential Assurance has more range of products since it has been in Malaysia for 88 years.
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You replying in terms of claim. How about the plan? is there much different?
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Prudential Assurance has more range of products (as compared to Prudential BSN) since it has been in Malaysia for 88 years, hence the agent is able to tailor the products to the clients needs better.

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Is there any Islamic term insurance for about 30 years? Or only conventional?
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Yes we do have term insurance under PruBSN. Pls pm to me the following for a quote.

1. Name
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I'm looking for a life insurance with critical illness coverage, not too particular on the saving/investment. What i want is only coverage.

Monthly premium should <RM300. Age is 37, non-smoker, male. How much coverage would I get?

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QUOTE(ks98 @ Jun 21 2012, 12:36 PM)
I'm looking for a life insurance with critical illness coverage, not too particular on the saving/investment. What i want is only coverage.

Monthly premium should <RM300. Age is 37, non-smoker, male. How much coverage would I get?
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If based on your information & monthly RM300 premium:

You can be covered for RM300,000 for Life & CS icon_idea.gif icon_idea.gif icon_idea.gif

or RM220,000 for life insurance & RM220,000 Critical Illnesses thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(Colaboy @ Jun 21 2012, 01:18 PM)
If based on your information & monthly RM300 premium:

You can be covered for RM300,000 for Life & CS  icon_idea.gif  icon_idea.gif  icon_idea.gif

or RM220,000 for life insurance & RM220,000 Critical Illnesses  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
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Thanks for your reply.

I understand Life part, what is CS meant?

if I want 300k life & Critical illness, how much is the premium?
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QUOTE(ks98 @ Jun 21 2012, 12:36 PM)
I'm looking for a life insurance with critical illness coverage, not too particular on the saving/investment. What i want is only coverage.

Monthly premium should <RM300. Age is 37, non-smoker, male. How much coverage would I get?
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Hi Ks, please indicate your occupation as the coverage is also dependent on your job. Thanks
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For RM 350/mth, Life Rm300K and CI Rm300K. Claims from CI will not reduce the Life coverage.

Please Pm to me your email if you need a detail quote. Thanks
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Thanks for your reply.

I understand Life part, what is CS meant?

if I want 300k life & Critical illness, how much is the premium?
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CS means include life or critical Illnesses . . . claim from either 1 event only.
At RM400/monthly for 300k life & 300k Critical illness. icon_idea.gif icon_idea.gif icon_idea.gif
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some company do sell standalone med card
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For medical insurance few questions u need to clearified as below:-
1. Room rates - what kind of room rate you prefer and also you would need to know what's the current room rate for your preferable private hospital and their fluctuation.
2. Dont look at the lifetime limit as your first priority. Make sure you understand that the annual limits play an important roles in it. Imagine someone admitted in hospital, they cant think that they have high lifetime limits to rescue them cause some of the insurance companys only pay as your annual limit.
3. make sure you check out the price for the age of 80, 90 or 100 as this you need to pay while you still on earth.
4. Make sure is renewable.
5. make sure no investment links or endowment unless u r capable of, cos it might bring down your medical coverage and bring up your premium if u insist on your medical card.
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the pru flexi medical card, can attached with PRUedusaver? how?

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the pru flexi medical card, can attached with PRUedusaver? how?
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The pru Fleximed is attached to an investmenk-link acc (Pru Mychild)
Whereby pruedusaver is to increase the saving from purchasing regularly in our Prulink funds. It can be done easily, just consult ur servicing agent.
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The pru Fleximed is attached to an investmenk-link acc (Pru Mychild)
Whereby pruedusaver is to increase the saving from purchasing regularly in our Prulink funds. It can be done easily, just consult ur servicing agent.
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the education fund is it under pruedusaver? how to calculate for commitment? Any package sample (pruflexi+education fund)?
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the education fund is it under pruedusaver? how to calculate for commitment? Any package sample (pruflexi+education fund)?
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Simple pruflexi med for kids is around RM100/monthly which cover the basic
life, critical illnesses, medical card & PA.

The amount of Pru edusaver is up to individual, additional of RM50, RM100, RM300, or up to a max of RM1K / monthly.

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how to determine monthly commitment for edusaver? Is it based on accumulation target after certain years? Let say i wanted 100k after 17 years for my 1yr old child. Conservatively how much should i put in the edusaver monthly?
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how to determine monthly commitment for edusaver? Is it based on accumulation target after certain years? Let say i wanted 100k after 17 years for my 1yr old child. Conservatively how much should i put in the edusaver monthly?
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aprox additional RM250-RM300/monthly into edusaver will generate RM100K after 17 years
It's base to accumulation
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QUOTE(mucklampir @ Jul 29 2012, 08:06 AM)
how to determine monthly commitment for edusaver? Is it based on accumulation target after certain years? Let say i wanted 100k after 17 years for my 1yr old child. Conservatively how much should i put in the edusaver monthly?
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Term 17 years, Rm300*95% = Rm285/mth. Compound interest of 7% may get you Rm105473.

Compound interest of 9% may get you Rm126450.

The gross average annual return for our Prudential PRulink Equity fund since inception in 1997 till last year end is at 9%. Do note that past performance does not guarantees future returns.

The above calculation, DOES NOT take into account the inflation factor. The value of Rm 100k now is not worth the future value of Rm100k after 17 years.

If taking into account the inflation factor, if compounding interest is 4% maturity value would be Rm81045. If compounding interest is 6% maturity value would be Rm96488.

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Thanks mr roy and colaboy..

Let say i want pruflexi card which come with any education fund. My requirement as follows:

pruflexi - RB = 400, Annual = 100k, hosp benefit rm300/day
Edu fund - after 17 years can give around 100k

So how's the monthly commitment looks like. I dont want life, CI, TPD, PA coverage included.


Thanks in advance..
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Im still very confuse with the CI and Life.. some told me if claim CI then cant claim if death, some say yes, if claimed CI still can claim if death...

Whats the major difference between PRU Health and PRU flexi??

some quote me ~250-300 for only 50k sum assured plus med card... some quote me same price for 30k CI and 60k death benefit...

Please enlighten me...

Just want to know with 250 is it possible to get med card plus 100k coverage...

Another Q is, is it better to uograde the policy fr 100k to 200k or buy a separate CI & Life with another policy of 100k...


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QUOTE(mucklampir @ Jul 31 2012, 01:59 PM)
Thanks mr roy and colaboy..

Let say i want pruflexi card which come with any education fund. My requirement as follows:

pruflexi - RB = 400, Annual = 100k, hosp benefit rm300/day
Edu fund - after 17 years can give around 100k

So how's the monthly commitment looks like. I dont want life, CI, TPD, PA coverage included.
Thanks in advance..
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Insurance is RM150/monthly + Education fund RM250/monthly
Total of RM400 per month will have the above benefit . . . but do take note with
R&B RM400, you cant include extra hosp benefit rider. thumbup.gif


QUOTE(vinvon23 @ Aug 1 2012, 01:59 PM)
Im still very confuse with the CI and Life.. some told me if claim CI then cant claim if death, some say yes, if claimed CI still can claim if death...

Actually both is correct, it's depends on what rider the agent quoted for you & how does it best suite the client.

Life insurance covers ==> Death & TPD
Crisis Shield ==> 36 Critical Illnesses but once claim will reduce the basic sum insured (life insurance)
Crisis Shield Plus ==> Is not attached to life insurance, can claim CI follow by life insurance if death
Crisis Defender ==> Same with CSP, but covers up to age 70 / 80 only (much cheaper) while CSP covers up to age 100           
                             


Whats the major difference between PRU Health and PRU flexi??

Refer to my earlier post for Fleximed details , in short PRU Health have 10X life time limit, 10% co-insurance
(RM300-RM1Kmax) No Claim bonus


some quote me ~250-300 for only 50k sum assured plus med card... some quote me same price for 30k CI and 60k death benefit...

Please enlighten me...

Just want to know with 250 is it possible to get med card plus 100k coverage...

Depending ur age & also occupation of course, but if age 30 below 100K coverage is no problem
*bare in mind with huge coverage the cash value will be low


Another Q is, is it better to uograde the policy fr 100k to 200k or buy a separate CI & Life with another policy of 100k...
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Personal point of view separate will be better, to have a main plan for all the basic coverage like life, 36CI, PA & med card.
On top of that another with life & CI only (no other rider needed to be attach like payor or hospital allowance)



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hi, I am looking for policy that does not involve investment plan/ saving plan. May I know the name for the product from prudential? thanks
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QUOTE(Colaboy @ Aug 2 2012, 12:05 AM)
Insurance is RM150/monthly + Education fund RM250/monthly
Total of RM400 per month will have the above benefit . . . but do take note with
R&B RM400, you cant include extra hosp benefit rider.  thumbup.gif
Personal point of view separate will be better, to have a main plan for all the basic coverage like life, 36CI, PA & med card.
On top of that another with life & CI only (no other rider needed to be attach like payor or hospital allowance)

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what it mean by with huge coverage the cash value will be lower?

let say if one didnt kena 36 CI but they bought 100k for PA AND 100k for CI can they get back the money if don kena 36 CI?

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what it mean by with huge coverage the cash value will be lower?

let say if one didnt kena 36 CI but they bought 100k for PA AND 100k for CI can they get back the money if don kena 36 CI?
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Either you diagnose or not diagnose with critical illness, your cash value is the same. Because cash Value is the left over premium after deducted insurance charges. Thus, high coverage will tend to have higher insurance charges and thus eat all the cash value.
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Either you diagnose or not diagnose with critical illness, your cash value is the same. Because cash Value is the left over premium after deducted insurance charges. Thus, high coverage will tend to have higher insurance charges and thus eat all the cash value.
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I have a quaestion: Do kids need high Life or CI coverage?

As far as i know, only important people in the family whose income is for his family needs high coverage. As for kids, less Life coverage would be better since we don't depend on them for living.

Please advice.

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QUOTE(umapathy @ Oct 12 2012, 08:56 PM)
I have a quaestion: Do kids need high Life or CI coverage?

As far as i know, only important people in the family whose income is for his family needs high coverage. As for kids, less Life coverage would be better since we don't depend on them for living.

Please advice.

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Whole life traditional participate insurance for your kids is one of the "worth" investment you should make. By buying rm100k sum assured with very low premium, by the time your kid reaches age 20, the total death benefit could increases to rm300k. Whole life non-par do have "saving" element in there, it may not as good as other investment vehicle but at least it provide low risk low return.

Second reason is, are you going to work if your child dies. It is that plain and simple. Are you taking off 2 weeks? No more like 2 months? Maybe a year. If you had a sibling could you imagine leaving that surviving sibling so you could work? How could you possible focus? this type of policy is replacing your income because you aren’t going to work for a long time.
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Hai Pru Agents,

Why is Prudential policies very expensive? Medical card want to upgrade coverage to 80 years old need to pay extra same goes if u want for 90.

Other med cards is not like that.

Don't get offended i just want to know.....

Thanks
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QUOTE(umapathy @ Oct 12 2012, 09:48 PM)
Hai Pru Agents,

Why is Prudential policies very expensive? Medical card want to upgrade coverage to 80 years old need to pay extra same goes if u want for 90.

Other med cards is not like that.

Don't get offended i just want to know.....

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Any insurance company wish not to take up medical protection as its really not making that much profits compare with life /36/CI. Try imagine if you have 90% of malaysian getting medical protection from insurance company A and 10% of malaysian getting medical protection from insurance comp B. Which 1 do you think their premier is more expensive?

What is the posibility of getting sick compare from younger age and old age? Insurance and private hospital also a business.
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How much for outpatient medical card age 31, male.
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QUOTE(umapathy @ Oct 12 2012, 09:48 PM)
Hai Pru Agents,

Why is Prudential policies very expensive? Medical card want to upgrade coverage to 80 years old need to pay extra same goes if u want for 90.

Other med cards is not like that.

Don't get offended i just want to know.....

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If you dont mind, which card gives you FREE upgrade to age 80/90? All medical card will increase, even the international health insurance.

Prudential prefers to charge upfront rather than only increase the premium when we get into our prime age.


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QUOTE(HighRoller84 @ Oct 13 2012, 02:01 AM)
How much for outpatient medical card age 31, male.
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Sorry, but there is no card that only covers for outpatient. Most cards covers for both inpatient and outpatient. Secondly, if you are concerned with the premium cost, get a card that has co-insurance (cost sharing of the bill) or deductible rather than a card that has full claim.

If you need a quote do PM to me the following:

1. Smoking status
2. Occupation
3. Email address for sending the quote to.


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QUOTE(umapathy @ Oct 12 2012, 08:56 PM)
I have a quaestion: Do kids need high Life or CI coverage?

As far as i know, only important people in the family whose income is for his family needs high coverage. As for kids, less Life coverage would be better since we don't depend on them for living.

Please advice.

Thanks
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I do agree with this. The premium would be better off to be allocated to the medical rather than high life/CI. I always ask my client this "Do you want to earn money from your children?"

The excess premium can be invested in other areas that generates higher returns to look at education funds.

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guys at predential. something i dont understand. need ur enquiries, thank you.

what is hospital daily room and board allowance?

I thought for medical card, the medical bills suppose with room charges can be claimed together, how does hospital daily room and board allowance this get involved?

or u mean insurance only pay for medical fee but not room charges?

and lastly why there are daily room and board allowance rm100, rm200, rm300, rm400?

isnt this room only? whats are the difference.......

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QUOTE(john123x @ Oct 13 2012, 03:03 PM)
guys at predential. something i dont understand. need ur enquiries, thank you.

what is hospital daily room and board allowance?

I thought for medical card, the medical bills suppose with room charges can be claimed together, how does hospital daily room and board allowance this get involved?

or u mean insurance only pay for medical fee but not room charges?

and lastly why there are daily room and board allowance rm100, rm200, rm300, rm400?

isnt this room only? whats are the difference.......
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The higher the Hospital R&B that you have you are entitled to stay at a better room, say a room with two bedded. If you stay at a higher R&B then you only need to pay for the difference. For example if you have a RM300 R&B but wants to stay at a single bedded and itll cost RM400/day, you need to pay Rm100 for each day you are hospitalized.

For PRUflexi med if you stay at a room lower than you are entitled for Prudential will reimburse the difference to you. Eg. If you have RM300 R&B but stays at RM200/day R&B, Prudential will reimburse RM100 for each day.

The room charges are billed together as part of the medical card facilities, unless you exceeded your benefit, of course.

The reason for various packaged R&B boils down to your budget and whether you are comfortable to share the room while recuperating at the hospital bed. For me, having someone to chat at the hospital bed helps. The charges for different room rates are actually decided by the hospital.

Think of it like you are going to Genting and at times without booking decided to stay a night there since you got free voucher to a twin sharing room. You could upgrade to a bigger room by paying the differences. laugh.gif
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guys, i decided to ask question here, until i am ready.

1.PRUflexi med and pruhealth ,, which is more expensive?
2. PRUflexi med and pruhealth, do both of them provide med card?
3.
-PRUflexi med and pruhealth, why expiry age 70, but premium rate stated until age 60?
-expiry age 80, but premium rate stated until 70?

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QUOTE(john123x @ Oct 13 2012, 07:03 PM)
guys, i decided to ask question here, until i am ready.

1.PRUflexi med and pruhealth ,, which is more expensive?
2. PRUflexi med and pruhealth, do both of them provide med card?
3.
-PRUflexi med and pruhealth, why expiry age 70, but premium rate stated until age 60?
-expiry age 80, but premium rate stated until 70?
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Hai Bro,

Of course new product is more expensive than the older ones.
PruFlexi Med is more expensive than PruHealth and both you can attach med card.

I'm having PruHealth and it's coverage is untik age 70. If you want coverage until age 80 you need to pay more.

Roy,

ING med card coverage expires at age 85. I don't have to pay extra.

Prduential vs ING..............which card is better?

Personally i think Prudential is more expensive.

Please advice sifus.

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QUOTE(john123x @ Oct 13 2012, 07:03 PM)
guys, i decided to ask question here, until i am ready.

1.PRUflexi med and pruhealth ,, which is more expensive?
2. PRUflexi med and pruhealth, do both of them provide med card?
3.
-PRUflexi med and pruhealth, why expiry age 70, but premium rate stated until age 60?
-expiry age 80, but premium rate stated until 70?
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1. PRUflexi med is more expensive (approx. 10% more than PRUhealth) as PRUflexi med has options for full claim or RM300 deductible whereas PRUhealth is subjected to coinsunsurance :-

For PRUhealth, the co-insurance amount for in-patient are minimum RM300, 10% of the bill up to a maximum of RM 1K.

2. Both of them are medical riders that needs to be attached to the Investment Link Policy. PRUflexi med is the newer medical plan which we plan to offer to our existing Prudential customer as an upgrade from PRUhealth in the near future.

3. Both PRUhealth & PRUflexi med are able to be extended to age 80,90 & 100. It is much dependent on your budget. The higher the expiry age, the higher the premium is needed in order to support the policy.

If you got quotations from other companies as well, you'd notice the same trend in terms of the premium rate. Most only state for 30 years as its a system limitation from the quotation system. Furthermore trying to project anything longer than 30 years may not be that accurate.
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QUOTE(roystevenung @ Oct 14 2012, 12:09 PM)
1. PRUflexi med is more expensive (approx. 10% more than PRUhealth) as PRUflexi med has options for full claim or RM300 deductible whereas PRUhealth is subjected to coinsunsurance :-

For PRUhealth, the co-insurance amount for in-patient are minimum RM300, 10% of the bill up to a maximum of RM 1K.

2. Both of them are medical riders that needs to be attached to the Investment Link Policy. PRUflexi med is the newer medical plan which we plan to offer to our existing Prudential customer as an upgrade from PRUhealth in the near future.

3. Both PRUhealth & PRUflexi med are able to be extended to age 80,90 & 100. It is much dependent on your budget. The higher the expiry age, the higher the premium is needed in order to support the policy.

If you got quotations from other companies as well, you'd notice the same trend in terms of the premium rate. Most only state for 30 years as its a system limitation from the quotation system. Furthermore trying to project anything longer than 30 years may not be that accurate.
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Hai Roy,

If i have Pruhealth and want to up grade to PruFlexi Med as i don't want to pay the co-insurance, is it a good choice?

Will the premium increase or remain the same?

Please advice.

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QUOTE(umapathy @ Oct 14 2012, 11:59 AM)
Hai Bro,

Of course new product is more expensive than the older ones.
PruFlexi Med is more expensive than PruHealth and both you can attach med card.

I'm having PruHealth and it's coverage is untik age 70. If you want coverage until age 80 you need to pay more.

Roy,

ING med card coverage expires at age 85. I don't have to pay extra.

Prduential vs ING..............which card is better?

Personally i  think Prudential is more expensive.

Please advice sifus.

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ING no longer good? What will happen to the existing customers?


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Hai Roy,

If i have Pruhealth and want to up grade to PruFlexi Med as  i don't want to pay the co-insurance, is it a good choice?

Will the premium increase or remain the same?

Please advice.

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If you are worried of the premium then you should take up the RM300 deductible option. Definitely it is better than PRUhealth as we don't have to be worried of the co-insurance. However, do expect additional premium.

In short, for plans which if you opt for no-coinsurance or zero deductible, the premium would be higher.

Deductible works differently from co-insurance. Do have your agent explain the details of how these two differ.

You can ask your agent to calculate for you the variance of the premium should you opt to upgrade to PRUflexi med. Do note that plans with co-insurance tends to be cheaper than plans without co-insurance in the long run.

But if we fell really sick and needs to use the medical card on a regular basis, PRUflexi med would be better since there is no co-insurance or it is capped at RM300.


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ING no longer good? What will happen to the existing customers?
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It would be unfair for us to comment on something which we have no knowledge about. Please check with your agent/nearest ING branch.

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QUOTE(roystevenung @ Oct 14 2012, 12:09 PM)
1. PRUflexi med is more expensive (approx. 10% more than PRUhealth) as PRUflexi med has options for full claim or RM300 deductible whereas PRUhealth is subjected to coinsunsurance :-

For PRUhealth, the co-insurance amount for in-patient are minimum RM300, 10% of the bill up to a maximum of RM 1K.

2. Both of them are medical riders that needs to be attached to the Investment Link Policy. PRUflexi med is the newer medical plan which we plan to offer to our existing Prudential customer as an upgrade from PRUhealth in the near future.

3. Both PRUhealth & PRUflexi med are able to be extended to age 80,90 & 100. It is much dependent on your budget. The higher the expiry age, the higher the premium is needed in order to support the policy.

If you got quotations from other companies as well, you'd notice the same trend in terms of the premium rate. Most only state for 30 years as its a system limitation from the quotation system. Furthermore trying to project anything longer than 30 years may not be that accurate.
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i think there is a bit of misunderstanding, my question is in the pru flexi and pru health brouchure, there is a table of premium.

for expiry date 70, the table only state premium up to age 60 only, my question is why premium for age 61-70 are not stated in the brochure?

I do believe co-insurance is better, if at retirement age, and if anyone cant pay even a 1k medical bill, then the fellow probably have a failed retirement plan.



other enquiries:
1. can i have pru health standalone without attached to investment linked?
2. can i confirm again, co insurance min 300 max rm1000?
3. do hospital medical bill for accidental injury claimable? i mean broken leg, at private hospital few days
4. if i pay additinal for pru health auto upgrade, will the premium follow the new plan or the original plan, how about No Claim Bonus? ,NCb follow the new plan or the original plan.
5. i do think the pru health auto upgrade is more attractive than pru flexi, pru 150 can be pru 400 by auto upgrade...

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QUOTE(john123x @ Oct 14 2012, 12:32 PM)
i think there is a bit of misunderstanding, my question is in the pru flexi and pru health brouchure, there is a table of premium.

for expiry date 70, the table only state premium up to age 60 only, my question is why premium for age 61-70 are not stated in the brochure?

I do believe co-insurance is better, if at retirement age, and if anyone cant pay even a 1k medical bill, then the fellow probably have a failed retirement plan.
other enquiries:
1. can i have  pru health standalone without attached to investment linked?
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I apologize for the misunderstanding. The premium table for expiry age at 70 is up to age 60 only because after age 61, it is projected that you need to pay the same amount of premium at age 60 till 70.

I couldn't agree more on the retirement thing, furthermore in 30 years time from now the RM1K co-insurance may not be valued at RM1K.
Note: the minimum is RM300 and the maximum co-insurance for in-patient is RM 1K, but for outpatient is 10% up to the maximum is RM 2K.

A bowl of mee costs less than RM 0.50 during my primary school days :-)

PRUhealth & PRUflexi med are riders that needs to be attached to an ILP policy. For PRUhealth, if you're worried on the annual limit, you can attach a rider called PRUannual limit waiver that waives the annual limit.

For example if the bill were to cost RM 200K and the annual limit was RM 75K, we would have to fork out RM 125K even if you have PRUhealth or PRUflexi med.

However, with the PRUannual limit waiver, this is what you need to pay.

1. RM 1K for co-insurance for the 1st RM 75K
2. 10% for the balance of RM 125K = RM12,500

Total that you need to pay is RM 13,500 as oppose to RM 125K without the annual limit waiver.
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QUOTE(roystevenung @ Oct 14 2012, 12:55 PM)
I apologize for the misunderstanding. The premium table for expiry age at 70 is up to age 60 only because after age 61, it is projected that you need to pay the same amount of premium at age 60 till 70.

I couldn't agree more on the retirement thing, furthermore in 30 years time from now the RM1K co-insurance may not be valued at RM1K.
Note: the minimum is RM300 and the maximum co-insurance for in-patient is RM 1K, but for outpatient is 10% up to the maximum is RM 2K.

A bowl of mee costs less than RM 0.50 during my primary school days :-)

PRUhealth & PRUflexi med are riders that needs to be attached to an ILP policy. For PRUhealth, if you're worried on the annual limit, you can attach a rider called PRUannual limit waiver that waives the annual limit.

For example if the bill were to cost RM 200K and the annual limit was RM 75K, we would have to fork out RM 125K even if you have PRUhealth or PRUflexi med.

However, with the PRUannual limit waiver, this is what you need to pay.

1. RM 1K for co-insurance for the 1st RM 75K
2. 10% for the balance of RM 125K = RM12,500

Total that you need to pay is RM 13,500 as oppose to RM 125K without the annual limit waiver.
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3. do hospital medical bill for accidental injury claimable? i mean broken leg, at private hospital few days
4. if i pay additinal for pru health auto upgrade, will the premium follow the new plan or the original plan, how about No Claim Bonus? ,NCb follow the new plan or the original plan.
5. i do think the pru health auto upgrade is more attractive than pru flexi, pru 150 can be pru 400 by auto upgrade...


this part, i really dont understand. "The premium table for expiry age at 70 is up to age 60 only because after age 61, it is projected that you need to pay the same amount of premium at age 60 till 70."
same amount? comparing to ? ??
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QUOTE(john123x @ Oct 14 2012, 12:32 PM)
i think there is a bit of misunderstanding, my question is in the pru flexi and pru health brouchure, there is a table of premium.

for expiry date 70, the table only state premium up to age 60 only, my question is why premium for age 61-70 are not stated in the brochure?

I do believe co-insurance is better, if at retirement age, and if anyone cant pay even a 1k medical bill, then the fellow probably have a failed retirement plan.
other enquiries:
1. can i have  pru health standalone without attached to investment linked?
2. can i confirm again, co insurance min 300 max rm1000?
3. do hospital medical bill for accidental injury claimable? i mean broken leg, at private hospital few days
4. if i pay additinal for pru health auto upgrade, will the premium follow the new plan or the original plan, how about No Claim Bonus? ,NCb follow the new plan or the original plan.
5. i do think the pru health auto upgrade is more attractive than pru flexi, pru 150 can be pru 400 by auto upgrade...
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1. No, as even PRUhealth is a medical rider that needs to be attached to an ILP plan. The good thing about this is that we can add in rider that waives the policy in the event of Total & Permanent Disability or Critical Illness. Stand alone plan is unable to attach waiver riders.

2. For in-patient (ie, if we are admitted to the hospital, the minimum co-insurance is RM 300, 10 % of up to a maximum of RM 1K). For outpatient the minimum co-insurance is 10% up to a maximum of RM 2K). Cancer treatment & kidney dialysis are considered as outpatient.

3. Accidental has never been a problem to claim at private hospital as there is no waiting period for accidental cases. However for medical condition like cancer, tumor, cycst, polyps, ENT, stones etc have 4 months waiting period. Do check the exclusions on the brochure on the specified illness cover.

4. If you attach auto-upgrade the premium you are already paying upfront hence it'll still follow the old plan's premium (meaning you dont have to pay extra) when upgrade occurs. However, when auto upgrade occurs, the insurance charges will follow the new plan. As for the NCB, it'll follow the new plan NCB.

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5. <delete> Some like PRUhealth while some think's it's a hassle to pay the co-insurance. Hence PRUflexi med was introduced. Its a matter of preference and affordability.

What it mean is that at age 60 till age 70, the insurance charge for PH 150 is are projected to be RM 2449/year until age 70.

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QUOTE(roystevenung @ Oct 14 2012, 01:23 PM)
1. No, as even PRUhealth is a medical rider that needs to be attached to an ILP plan. The good thing about this is that we can add in rider that waives the policy in the event of Total & Permanent Disability or Critical Illness. Stand alone plan is unable to attach waiver riders.

2. For in-patient (ie, if we are admitted to the hospital, the minimum co-insurance is RM 300, 10 % of up to a maximum of RM 1K). For outpatient the minimum co-insurance is 10% up to a maximum of RM 2K). Cancer treatment & kidney dialysis are considered as outpatient.

3. Accidental has never been a problem to claim at private hospital as there is no waiting period for accidental cases. However for medical condition like cancer, tumor, cycst, polyps, ENT, stones etc have 4 months waiting period. Do check the exclusions on the brochure on the specified illness cover.

4. If you attach auto-upgrade the premium you are already paying upfront hence it'll still follow the old plan's premium (meaning you dont have to pay extra) when upgrade occurs. However, when auto upgrade occurs, the insurance charges will follow the new plan. As for the NCB, it'll follow the new plan NCB.

Do note that auto-upgrade feature can only be attached to plan PH300

5. Auto-upgrade can only be attached to plan PH300. Some like PRUhealth while some think's it's a hassle to pay the co-insurance. Hence PRUflexi med was introduced. Its a matter of preference and affordability.

What it mean is that at age 60 till age 70, the insurance charge for PH 150 is are projected to be RM 2449/year until age 70.
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Are you saying auto upgrade is free if I holding a PH300 plan? What is 60 to age 70 insurance charges for PH300 per year based on projection? hmm.gif
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Are you saying auto upgrade is free if I holding a PH300 plan? What is 60 to age 70 insurance charges for PH300 per year based on projection? hmm.gif
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Hai Roy,

Is it better to take a new zero deductible plan for Pru Flexi Med with min coverage like r&b RM150 and annual limit RM50K or auto upgrade the current Pru Health plan?

Please advice.

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QUOTE(freewisefly @ Oct 14 2012, 01:40 PM)
Are you saying auto upgrade is free if I holding a PH300 plan? What is 60 to age 70 insurance charges for PH300 per year based on projection? hmm.gif
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No, the auto-upgrade is not free, but as an added rider.

As for the insurance charges, http://www2.prudential.com.my/corp/prudent.../pruhealth.html

The insurance charges may seem a lot now but 30 years from now, that amount may not be that much afterall due to inflation.
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QUOTE(john123x @ Oct 13 2012, 07:03 PM)
guys, i decided to ask question here, until i am ready.

1.PRUflexi med and pruhealth ,, which is more expensive?
2. PRUflexi med and pruhealth, do both of them provide med card?
3.
-PRUflexi med and pruhealth, why expiry age 70, but premium rate stated until age 60?
-expiry age 80, but premium rate stated until 70?
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1)PRUflexi med is more expensive if compare to PRUhealth, but have wider coverage & lower co-insurance if compare
to PRUhealth

2)both do provide a med card

3)you can choose for either plan to be renewable up to age 70, 80 or even till 90 & 100 (PRUflexi)

QUOTE(john123x @ Oct 14 2012, 12:32 PM)
i think there is a bit of misunderstanding, my question is in the pru flexi and pru health brouchure, there is a table of premium.

for expiry date 70, the table only state premium up to age 60 only, my question is why premium for age 61-70 are not stated in the brochure?

I do believe co-insurance is better, if at retirement age, and if anyone cant pay even a 1k medical bill, then the fellow probably have a failed retirement plan.
other enquiries:
1. can i have  pru health standalone without attached to investment linked?
2. can i confirm again, co insurance min 300 max rm1000?
3. do hospital medical bill for accidental injury claimable? i mean broken leg, at private hospital few days
4. if i pay additinal for pru health auto upgrade, will the premium follow the new plan or the original plan, how about No Claim Bonus? ,NCb follow the new plan or the original plan.
5. i do think the pru health auto upgrade is more attractive than pru flexi, pru 150 can be pru 400 by auto upgrade...
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1)NO - must be attached to an investment-link plan
2)you are right
3)YES
4)If you are paying for a basic PRUhealth 100 plan + auto upgrade, the premium will be fix as the auto-upgrade is an additional rider u have been paying. For the NCB you will still enjoy it as it increase to the higher plan
5)its up to individual, some prefer PRUhealth & some prefer PRUflexi

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QUOTE(umapathy @ Oct 14 2012, 01:44 PM)
Hai Roy,

Is it better to take a new zero deductible plan for Pru Flexi Med with min coverage like r&b RM150 and annual limit RM50K or auto upgrade the current Pru Health plan?

Please advice.

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Unlike PRUhealth the Room & Board in PRUflexi med does not determine how much is your annual/lifetime limit. For PRUflexi med you are able to choose Room & Board RM200/day with RM 200K annual limit, up to RM 4M lifetime limit.

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QUOTE(umapathy @ Oct 14 2012, 01:44 PM)
Hai Roy,

Is it better to take a new zero deductible plan for Pru Flexi Med with min coverage like r&b RM150 and annual limit RM50K or auto upgrade the current Pru Health plan?

Please advice.

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It's depend, but i prefer you to a PRUflexi med card with min coverage with RM300 co-insurance
In that way, you will enjoy the 20X lifetime limit up to age 70/80 & only pay RM300 if there is admition to hospital.
Besides that your PRUhealth will be a backup card if the annual limit for fleximed is not enough, dont forget that
your PRUhealth still pays your the NCB every year if theres no claim thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif

QUOTE(roystevenung @ Oct 14 2012, 02:11 PM)
It all depends on your budget because even if you want to take up auto upgrade, you need to have PH300 as the auto-upgrade can only be attached to PH300. PH300 gives you RM100K annual & RM1M lifetime.  rclxub.gif

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PRUflexi can be attached to PRUhealth 100 & onwards plan. For example:
PRUhealth 100 - 50K sum insured (annually), which eventually will be PRUhealth 200 -75K sum insured (annually)
of the 10th anniversary year thumbup.gif

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Do note that auto-upgrade feature can only be attached to plan PH300
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Dear Mr. Roy,

can you please confirm this?
I found this at flexi health brochure, i was hoping a pru150 can be pru 300 in 11 years

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Dear Mr. Roy,

can you please confirm this?
I found this at flexi health brochure, i was hoping a pru150 can be pru 300 in 11 years

[attachmentid=3099717]
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Hi John, yes you're right, the auto-upgrade feature can be attached to a PH100 plan. Sorry for the inconvenience. My brain seems to be a little bit lazy on Sunday biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(john123x @ Oct 14 2012, 02:32 PM)
Dear Mr. Roy,

can you please confirm this?
I found this at flexi health brochure, i was hoping a pru150 can be pru 300 in 11 years

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Any medical card plan to recommend? I found out my GE plan is not enough to cover since I bought it 10 years ago
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Is there any way to upgrade my existing pruhealth100 to a higher annual lifetime limit?
How much additional premium I need to pay for?

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Any medical card plan to recommend? I found out my GE plan is not enough to cover since I bought it 10 years ago
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Is there any way to upgrade my existing pruhealth100 to a higher annual lifetime limit?
How much additional premium I need to pay for?
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*Pruhealth 100 you will be able to upgrade to Pruhealth 200 with 75,000 coverage or Pruhealth 300 with 100,000 coverage P.A
*if you prefer a lower co-insurance & greater coverage Fleximed will be a better plan i would suggest thumbup.gif
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*Pruhealth 100 you will be able to upgrade to Pruhealth 200 with 75,000 coverage or Pruhealth 300 with 100,000 coverage P.A
*if you prefer a lower co-insurance & greater coverage Fleximed will be a better plan i would suggest  thumbup.gif
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If I upgrade from Pruhealth 100 to Pruhealth 300, just top up some money will do? Around how much additional premium I have to pay?

If I swift to Fleximed, means that my premium on Pruhealth will transfer to saving plan and I have to pay around RM1800 premium for Fleximed? This is what my agent recommend me. But it is already out of my budget. Any way to just top up some money to swift from Pruhealth 100 to Fleximed?

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should be able to convert from PHL100 to Fleximid with 70-80K coverage
the premium will be slightly higher only . .. should not be a problem
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Can someone please explain to me why is prudential medical card so expensive as compared to Great Eastern? At my current age of 35, Prudential PMM3 charge me RM104.xx per month. While Great Eastern Smart Medic 200 with higher annual and lifetime limit costs me only Rm43.xx per month.

I can't imagine how much it will cost me when am getting older and older (although the monthly premium doesn't change).. .. thinking of cancel my PMM3 medical card as I wish to keep only one medical card.
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QUOTE(danlhct @ Jun 1 2013, 01:23 AM)
Can someone please explain to me why is prudential medical card so expensive as compared to Great Eastern? At my current age of 35, Prudential PMM3 charge me RM104.xx per month. While Great Eastern Smart Medic 200 with higher annual and lifetime limit costs me only Rm43.xx per month.

I can't imagine how much it will cost me when am getting older and older (although the monthly premium doesn't change).. .. thinking of cancel my PMM3 medical card as I wish to keep only one medical card.
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Need to get insurance for my son who will be studying in the States.
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The Malaysian class policy does not cover if your son stays more than 3 months in the States. When your son gets to the states, get him to inquire about the medical insurance options for foreign students.

Itis extremely expensive to get treatment in the US without an insurance policy. One of my client from the US who is an expat in Penang told me the cost for a heart bypass costs USD500k.

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Hi,

I'm currently holding a investment linked insurance policy. There is some question I have in mind.

1) For the monthly premium we paid, after 6th year all the premium will go into investment of my choice right?

2)After the fund sales charge any other additional charges such as service charge and insurance charge?

3) May I know all this charges on my account and look at my account status such as investment amount at the prudential customer service center?

4) Is it possible to change my prudential agent?
Hv a difficulty in communicating with my current agent, simply coz he cannot answer my question.
Just all his talk talk talk =.=
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Hi,

I'm currently holding a investment linked insurance policy. There is some question I have in mind.

1) For the monthly premium we paid, after 6th year all the premium will go into investment of my choice right?

2)After the fund sales charge any other additional charges such as service charge and insurance charge?

3) May I know all this charges on my account and look at my account status such as investment amount at the prudential customer service center?

4) Is it possible to change my prudential agent?
    Hv a difficulty in communicating with my current agent, simply coz he cannot answer my question.
    Just all his talk talk talk =.=
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1 & 2. Yes, but dont forget that it needs to pay off the insurance charges by deducting the units available.

3. Yes, you can call up the service center on the cash value available. You will also receive a yearly statement on the fund performance and how much is being deducted to pay for the insurance charges. Just make sure your address is up to date.

4. Yes it is possible to change agent but the new agent will not be getting any commission.
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Anyone heard of Prulife ready?
If maturity at 55 years old, after that no need to pay? What happen is after maturity date, the cash value is fully withdrawn? If death, still get rm500k?

Very confusing. Is it a good deal?

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QUOTE(Deathscythe@@ @ Jul 19 2013, 10:32 PM)
Anyone heard of Prulife ready?
If maturity at 55 years old, after that no need to pay? What happen is after maturity date, the cash value is fully withdrawn? If death, still get rm500k?

Very confusing. Is it a good deal?
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Withdraw cash fully means you are surrendering the policy, the sum assured of RM500k is not applicable if you have been surrendered the whole policy.
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QUOTE(ExpZero @ Jul 19 2013, 10:46 PM)
Withdraw cash fully means you are surrendering the policy, the sum assured of RM500k is not applicable if you have been surrendered the whole policy.
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Meaning the maturity,age 25-55, still cab be extended? The life insurance, if we pay until d-e (touch wood) then the insured money will be there + saving? If only saving withdrawn all, but policy still paying every month, still get insured right
if we xxx? That is the benefit of life insurance?

In short, life insurance as we continous paying, until the day we were gone, the insured money will we paid plus the saving if applicable?

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Meaning the maturity,age 25-55, still cab be extended? The life insurance, if we pay until d-e (touch wood) then the insured money will be there + saving? If only saving withdrawn all, but policy still paying every month, still get insured right
if we xxx? That is the benefit of life insurance?

In short, life insurance as we continous paying, until the day we were gone, the insured money will we paid plus the saving if applicable?
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So Prulife ready is investment link? If paying rm xx per month until 55, maybe the money will be used up at the end?
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So Prulife ready is investment link? If paying rm xx per month until 55, maybe the money will be used up at the end?
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So Prulife ready is investment link? If paying rm xx per month until 55, maybe the money will be used up at the end?
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First off, when it comes to insurance, you need to understand that for as long as you want to enjoy the protection benefits, you will be needed to pay.

Take an example of your car insurance. Are you only planning to pay up to age 55? Without paying yoyr car insurance, you cannot drive your car. The same analogy applies when it comes to life and medical insurance.

The standard term for medical cover is up to age 80, and if you are paying only up to age 55, that is another 25 years of not-paying. It is definitely not enough cash values accumulated in order to auto-run the policy till age 80 if there is a medical plan attached to it.

You can take a look at the brochure on the projected insurance charges each insurance company offers. For a medicsl cover that covers up till age 80, at age 66-70 the insurance charges for medical alone for a Rm100k cover can be as high as Rm9k per year.

Hence, it is advisable to plan for paying the monthly premium for up to age 70 or 80 (depending on the medical term).
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Does PRU ffexi do cover hospital bill charges when admitted in hospital due to injuries to car/motorbike accident?

Does Pru Flexi do cover hospital bill charges when admitted in hospital due to personal accident happen at home such as fell down , arm broken, need to do minor/major surgery?

Does Pru Flexi do cover hospital bill charges when admitted in hospital due to sudden high fever,ear problem/surgery,nose synus, throat infection,handcut,fall down knee is bone is broken,...etc which not categories as 36 sick illness?

How many percentage is contribute for medical and cash back (saving/investment)?

Let say, if the premium was not paid 1 month, and it will be deducted from the cash back, in case, if the cashback is not enough , will they inform client by post request to paidd or will the policy be elapse?

Is there any tied contract until when need to be pay OR if we surrender the policy after the grace period, will nilai serahan value percentage how much?

please advice,
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1. Does PRU ffexi do cover hospital bill charges when admitted in hospital due to injuries to car/motorbike accident?

2. Does Pru Flexi do cover hospital bill charges when admitted in hospital due to personal accident happen at home such as fell down , arm broken, need to do minor/major  surgery?

3. Does Pru Flexi do cover hospital bill charges when admitted in hospital due to sudden high fever,ear problem/surgery,nose synus, throat infection,handcut,fall down knee is bone is broken,...etc which not categories as 36 sick illness?

4. How many percentage is contribute for medical and cash back (saving/investment)?

5. Let say, if the premium was not paid 1 month, and it will be deducted from the cash back, in case, if the cashback is not enough , will they inform client by post request to paidd or will the policy be elapse?

6. Is there any tied contract until when need to be pay OR if we surrender the policy after the grace period, will nilai serahan value percentage how much?

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1 & 2. Yes, definitely it does cover. Accidents do not have any waiting period and for accidental cases the cover starts immeidiately once the policy is approved.

Do note that by paying the first payment to the agent does not construed to policy being approve. Approval to get the policy is done by the underwriters which would take 1-2 working days.

3. Waiting Period.
- For fever/flu there is a 30 days waiting period.
- For Ears, nose, throat infection (including sinus and throat conditions), there is a 120days waiting period
- Broken knee due to fall is considered accidental cases and there is no waiting period upon policy inception

4. 1st year 40%, 50%, 60%, 70%, 80%, 90%, 100% (on the 7th year onwards) of the premium will be allocated to buy you units. Do note that if you are paying Rm200 per month, it does not mean you will get Rm200 cash value credited into your account.

How many units is being credited into your policy account will be dependent on the fund value at the time the premium is being credited.

5. You will be notified by sending you a letter to notify you. If there are not enough cash value to pay for the insurance charges on the second month, then the policy will lapse. Do note that upon revival, the waiting period reapplies.

There are cases where the client lapse the policy and later found certain illnesses and hence wants to get covered.

6. PRUflexi med is a medical card. If you want it to provide coverage until you are age 70, or 80, then the Insurance charges will need to be paid until age 70 or 80.

Insurance charges will go up by age irrespective of when you get it EVEN THOUGH the premium does not go up by age. Take a look at the full quotation on the column of insurance charges, not the premium.

If you are age 30, the annual insurance charges will be in the range of Rm1500, but when you are 60, the insurance charges may be in the range of Rm3k per year. The variance of the insurance charges will need to be deducted from your cash value at later years.

Whenever there is a medical card being attached to the policy, it is NOT for savings or investments. Its like your car insurance, if you stop paying the insurance charges, the cover stops. For illnesses, like heart, stroke, severe bone issues, severe diabetic that causes kidney to fail are normally associated with old age. Insurance is for protection, not for investment. That is when most people need the medical insurance the most.

At older age, it is not easy to get a medical card and even so, the premium would be high. Also, at age 60, most of us have to rely solely on our personal medical card as our company medical card is ended once retired.

When the policy starts, upon receive the policy document, there is a 15 days cooling off period. During this 15 days, just return the policy for a full refund if you are not satisfied with it.

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What's the best insurance plan there is now ? Also comparison with investment link insurance. More focus on 36 illness. Thanks.
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Roy Steven, Thank you for your immediate response and information.

Appreciate much!

1. It's mean holder of medicard Pru flexi enjoyed the coverage after policy is approved which the hospital bill charges is covered as admission to ward,thus surgery minor/major due to Vehicle Accident and Personal Accident. however will there any compensation paid ?

2.Does MC can be claimed?

3.If we add pru clinic care which cover 2 year (per annum value is set to RM288 ), does it mean after 2 year, the policy is elapse?

4.Under pru clinic care, does it mean that charges of per visit to clinic is deducted from the pruclinicare medicard?

5. As per quotated per annum is RM288, if the limit is exceeded, does we need to pay cash ?

6. Under prumedi clinic, MC can be claim?


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QUOTE(botstrap @ Aug 5 2013, 12:02 AM)
Roy Steven, Thank you for your immediate response and information.

Appreciate much!

1. It's mean holder of medicard Pru flexi enjoyed the coverage after policy is approved which the hospital bill charges is covered as admission to ward,thus surgery minor/major due to Vehicle Accident and Personal Accident. however will there any compensation paid ?

2.Does MC can be claimed?

3.If we add pru clinic care which cover 2 year (per annum value is set to RM288 ), does it mean after 2 year, the policy is elapse?

4.Under pru clinic care, does it mean that charges of per visit to clinic is deducted from the pruclinicare medicard? 

5. As per quotated per annum is RM288, if the limit is exceeded, does we need to pay cash ?

6. Under prumedi clinic, MC can be claim?
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1. PRUflexi med is a medical card and it only covers the person being insured, and not the vehicle. For the vehicle, thats where your car insurance will come in.

As to whether there is compensation paid will depend on whether you add in the rider call Hospital Benefit(HB). 1 unit of HB is pays Rm50 per day if admitted to the hospital. The HB is paid based on the number of days that the hospital is claiming from Prudential.

If you have 4 units of HB, and was admitted to the hospital as an inpatient, then you will be paid RM 1, 000. The check for HB normally takes 2-3 weeks to arrive upon discharge from the hospital.

Under the PRUflexi med plan, if you are entitled to stay in a higher room, but chose not to, Prudential will reimburse to you the difference. For example if the room that you are entiled for is RM300 per day, but you are OK to stay in a RM150 per day room.

For the 5 days admission, Prudential will reimburse RM150 x 5 = RM750

2. You could add in PRUacci income (PAI) for MC, but it is limited to accidental cases only. One unit of PAI pays Rm50 per week for partial disability and up to Rm100 per week for temporary permanent disability.

If an accident that renders us to be on wheelchair for 6 months and having 5 units of PAI it pays RM500 per week, which equals to RM2k per month.

3. PRUclinic care (PCC) is an add on card on top of PRUflexi med. It is used in clinics including seeking treatment for minor flu or fever. In a year you are entitled to claim up to Rm1500. Just waive the PC card at any clinic having the PCC logo.

After the 2 year term has ended, the cover for PCC will end and is subject to be renewed. PCC was introduced in 2011 and it is still new. We are still looking at the claims ratio for PCC.

PCC is by age band and covers up to age 60 only. Do refer to the brochure on the cost for PCC.

4. Yes, the Rm1500 limit per year is a separate amount under the PCC and has nothing to do with the PRUflexi med medical card. It is used in clinics whereas the PRUflexi med is used at the hospital for hospital admission.

5. If you exceed the RM1500 per year limit, then subsequent clinic cost needs to be paid by cash. Having said that, I had never seen anyone claim RM1500 per year for clinic. Do note that PCC can only be use at any GP and not specialist clinics. For example child specialist is not covered.

6. If there is a minor accident and you have both PAI and PCC but was not admittee to the hospital, the clinic cost (for example dressing and xray cost) is covered by the PCC. Subsequently, you may get the receipt and ssk the doctor to write behind the receipt the causes of accident in order to claim for PAI.

You also need to submit the MC as given by the Doctor.

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Hi all the expert here, I have a question regarding the pruhealth+invesment link+life insurance I am going to buy. If I die at the age of 70, and I have 50,000 ringgit cash value in my account, what happen to those cash value? Would the insurance company give the cast value to my family along with my life insurance? Or they will just eat up the cash value?

I know in traditional life insurance the cash value belongs to the insurance company when the insured person die, but how bout my case? Would be glad if anyone can help me here.


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Hi all the expert here, I have a question regarding the pruhealth+invesment link+life insurance I am going to buy. If I die at the age of 70, and I have 50,000 ringgit cash value in my account, what happen to those cash value? Would the insurance company give the cast value to my family along with my life insurance? Or they will just eat up the cash value?

I know in traditional life insurance the cash value belongs to the insurance company when the insured person die, but how bout my case? Would be glad if anyone can help me here.
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QUOTE(tong1774 @ Aug 26 2013, 03:25 PM)
Hi all the expert here, I have a question regarding the pruhealth+invesment link+life insurance I am going to buy. If I die at the age of 70, and I have 50,000 ringgit cash value in my account, what happen to those cash value? Would the insurance company give the cast value to my family along with my life insurance? Or they will just eat up the cash value?

I know in traditional life insurance the cash value belongs to the insurance company when the insured person die, but how bout my case? Would be glad if anyone can help me here.
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PRUhealth is the medical card, of which it is used to pay the hospital bill if we need to be hospitalized. That will help your family not be burden by the hospital bill.

The hospital claims will not affect your cash values if there is any.

Upon death of the insured person, the cash values + sum insured (life cover) will be paid out (no matter if its traditional or investment link policy).

However, do note that even though your premium does not go up by age, your insurance charges will. At age 60 and above the insurance charges may be double of what you are paying when you are in your 30s.

The variance of the premium paid and the insurance charges will be deducted from your cash value should the premium paid is not enough to cover the insurance charges.
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Dear Prudential agents,

1. What is the procedure to change my insurance agent ?

2. For life insurance, what is the max tenure coverage ? up to 75 or 100 years ?

3. What would be the premium per year for 33 yo male smoker for complete term life insurance with payout of 500K for death or TPD ?
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QUOTE(veron208 @ Aug 31 2013, 09:02 AM)
Dear Prudential agents,

1. What is the procedure to change my insurance agent ?

2. For life insurance, what is the max tenure coverage ? up to 75 or 100 years ?

3. What would be the premium per year for 33 yo male smoker for complete term life insurance with payout of 500K for death or TPD ?
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1. Fill up the agent transfer form, but the new agent does not earn anything. If the new agent sees it as a long term business, then he/she should be okay to take over to provide the service. It is afterall a service industry.

2. Age 100, but of course you will have the option to surrender the plan when you retired. The insurance charges for Life insurance goes up rather high when we hit 70. How high will be very much dependent on the covered amount. This is also the reason to swing the life or CI cover to medical once we are retired as most of our responsibilities like kids/house/debts had been paid up once we retired.

3. For a term up to age 60, the monthly premium for RM 500K Term is RM 262, yearly RM 2,970. PM to me your email address and I will email to you the full quote. Thanks

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Hi Prudential Agent,
For scenario below,

"A" the insured bought Life -100k, CI -100k & PruPayor

If "A" fall into CI, Prudential pay CI benefit of 100k, on the same time Life sum assured reduce to "0".

Questions:
(1) Will this policy to be terminated? (as my limited understanding, it suppose not to terminate since cash value is yet withdraw)
(2) PruPayor will continuing pay for premium until the insured up to age of 100 or death, which ever occur first?

Thank you in advance.

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QUOTE(samwhyik @ Oct 22 2013, 10:56 PM)
Hi Prudential Agent,
For scenario below,

"A" the insured bought Life -100k, CI -100k & PruPayor 

If "A" fall into CI, Prudential pay CI benefit of 100k, on the same time Life sum assured reduce to "0".

Questions:
(1) Will this policy to be terminated? (as my limited understanding, it suppose not to terminate since cash value is yet withdraw)
(2) PruPayor will continuing pay for premium until the insured up to age of 100 or death, which ever occur first? 

Thank you in advance.

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I'm from Great Eastern but I think I can answer your question.
1)Since the policy you mentioned is investment link, no, it won't be terminated until the client surrender it/death.
2)Yes.

That simply means the client can use the medical card without paying the premium because the prupayor has takes effect.
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QUOTE(samwhyik @ Oct 22 2013, 10:56 PM)
Hi Prudential Agent,
For scenario below,

"A" the insured bought Life -100k, CI -100k & PruPayor 

If "A" fall into CI, Prudential pay CI benefit of 100k, on the same time Life sum assured reduce to "0".

Questions:
(1) Will this policy to be terminated? (as my limited understanding, it suppose not to terminate since cash value is yet withdraw)
(2) PruPayor will continuing pay for premium until the insured up to age of 100 or death, which ever occur first? 

Thank you in advance.

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1. Nope, it is not terminated. The policy will accumulate cash values more since the insurance charges for the CI portion is now zero.

However do note that the policy is still subjected to policy charges, admin charges.

2. Yes, upon death or maturity
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1. Nope, it is not terminated. The policy will accumulate cash values more since the insurance charges for the CI portion is now zero.

However do note that the policy is still subjected to policy charges, admin charges.

2. Yes, upon death or maturity
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Thanks on both replied.

Just want to re-confirm here, this investment link policy just consist of (a) sum assured 50k, (b) CI 50k & © Prupayor without any other riders (i.e medical card)

(i) If A death, will get 50K + cash value
(ii) If A CI, will get 50k, and sum assured reduce to "0", Prupayor will still inforce until insure year 100 or death, whichever happen earlier.

Am i interpret right on your response?

New Questions:
(a) Understand, Prupayor only cover when insure CI BUT not TPD.
Meaning that, insure still needs to pay premium when TPD happen. Why Prudential not approve Prupayor PLUS for first generation investment link policy?

(b) If Prudential offers Prupayor PLUS, does it mean when happen TPD, insure will get 50k and PRUPAYOR PLUS continue pay premium until insure year 100 or death, whichever happen earlier. AND this policy is still inforce without teminate?

Thank you in advance.

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QUOTE(samwhyik @ Oct 23 2013, 10:17 AM)
Thanks on both replied.

Just want to re-confirm here, this investment link policy just consist of (a) sum assured 50k, (b) CI 50k & © Prupayor without any other riders (i.e medical card)

(i) If A death, will get 50K + cash value
(ii) If A CI, will get 50k, and sum assured reduce to "0", Prupayor will still inforce until insure year 100 or death, whichever happen earlier.

Am i interpret right on your response?

New Questions:
(a) Understand, Prupayor only cover when insure CI BUT not TPD.
Meaning that, insure still needs to pay premium when TPD happen. Why Prudential not approve Prupayor PLUS for first generation investment link policy?

(b) If Prudential offers Prupayor PLUS, does it mean when happen TPD, insure will get 50k and PRUPAYOR PLUS continue pay premium until insure year 100 or death, whichever happen earlier. AND this policy is still inforce without teminate?

Thank you in advance.

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Old question, yes thats right. Even after the CI payout, the cash values accumulated is still in the account.

The premiums paying will now be taken up by Prudential and since CI insurance charges is now Zero, the premiums paid will mostly goes into accumulating cash values for you

PRUpayor rider is still active and is also subjected to the insurance charges.

New question, yes thats right. PRUpayor only pays for CI and not TPD. It bas been replaced with Enhanced PRUpayor Basic (EPPB). You could do an upgrade to EPPB in this case.

Yes, if you upgrade it to EPPB, it works the same as CI.


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QUOTE(roystevenung @ Oct 23 2013, 11:27 AM)
Old question, yes thats right. Even after the CI payout, the cash values accumulated is still in the account.

The premiums paying will now be taken up by Prudential and since CI insurance charges is now Zero, the premiums paid will mostly goes into accumulating cash values for you

PRUpayor rider is still active and is also subjected to the insurance charges.

New question, yes thats right. PRUpayor only pays for CI and not TPD. It bas been replaced with Enhanced PRUpayor Basic (EPPB). You could do an upgrade to EPPB in this case.

Yes, if you upgrade it to EPPB, it works the same as CI.
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Thanks on your replied.
Aforesaid, not sure why Prudential not approved when i requested to upgrade with EPPB?

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QUOTE(samwhyik @ Oct 23 2013, 12:41 PM)
Thanks on your replied.
Aforesaid, not sure why Prudential not approved when i requested to upgrade with EPPB?

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Your policy is 4PAA? Or which year was it bought?

Have you tried getting help from your agent?

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Your policy is 4PAA? Or which year was it bought?

Have you tried getting help from your agent?
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Hi Steven,
Thanks on your replied.
I'm 62 this year and Year of bought 1999, confirmed EPPB is not offer for first generation ILA.
This happen same on medical card (PMM100), as checked, Prudential upgrade PMM100 to PMME100 on year of 2010.

And now, it seems very high cost for me to extend card coverage up to 80 years old.
Thinking to buy another ILA plan with medical rider with Allianz, to extend coverage to 90 years old.

Thanks
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Any ideas how do I calculate my tax incentives for life and health insurance I have with Prudential?

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QUOTE(izwanz @ Oct 25 2013, 09:38 AM)
Any ideas how do I calculate my tax incentives for life and health insurance I have with Prudential?

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http://www.hasil.gov.my/goindex.php?kump=5...3&unit=1&sequ=1

Every year Prudential will distribute an annual statement. In the annual statement it is separated to life n medical. The statement looks like this...
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In item 21, add in the life premiums paid + epf, max rm6k
In item 24, add in the medical, max rm3k

Do note that it is up to the LHDN discretion on the tax rebate and may change from time to time...

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QUOTE(samwhyik @ Oct 24 2013, 11:37 AM)
Hi Steven,
Thanks on your replied.
I'm 62 this year and Year of bought 1999, confirmed EPPB is not offer for first generation ILA.
This happen same on medical card (PMM100), as checked, Prudential upgrade PMM100 to PMME100 on year of 2010.

And now, it seems very high cost for me to extend card coverage up to 80 years old.
Thinking to buy another ILA plan with medical rider with Allianz, to extend coverage to 90 years old.

Thanks
Sam
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Get a senior med plan A with 3K co-ins, you can get a good coverage from that plan
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is it possible to have a life insurance with higher coverage on 36 critical illness?

for example:
death/TPD 100k
36CI 200k

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is it possible to have a life insurance with higher coverage on 36 critical illness?

for example:
death/TPD 100k
36CI 200k

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Yes, it is possible. If 36 CI Rm200k is paid out and upon death another Rm100k will be paid.

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What different between "As charged" vs "As charged subject to reasonable fee" ?

Pru med card is "As charged subject to reasonable fee"?

How to know the reasonable fee defined? Where is the price list?
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What different between "As charged" vs "As charged subject to reasonable fee" ?

Pru med card is "As charged subject to reasonable fee"?

How to know the reasonable fee defined? Where is the price list?
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PRU med is 'As Charged'

There is a few company is using "As charged subject to reasonable fee" term in their policy.
Well insurance company dont provide this detial to consumer, its provided by LIAM to the insurance company & hospital
as a guideline so they dont over charge/abuse their medical card. thumbup.gif thumbup.gif

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Roy, a few question from a friend of mine regarding PRUlink million.

1. Coverage 500k for death/ TPD with Payor. In the Product Disclosure Sheet it is stated lump sum payment before age 70 next birthday but then the agent says covered until age 100. In the Sales Illustration it says expiry age 80.

2. My fren is age 40 and the premium payment period is 20 year. After the age 61 do we still need to pay premium or is it projected that the Cash Unit is enough to offset insurance charges.

3. At age 70 the projected insurance charges plus fund mgmt charges X is around 7k plus , for Y its around 8k plus ,what does x n Y means as the insurance charges is different .

4. At age 71 to 80. how much should we expect the insurance to cost , 30% - 50% or more?

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hi, prudential agents, i just have a shock of my life when my mother enters private hospital and are slapped with a 30k bill.


therefore i would like to request a quote on:

my age 32, non smoker

-PRU Health 100
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-with PRUmedic auto upgrade
-coverage until 80
-prulink one lowest premium
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I already have pruvantage which includes medical card, life, tpd and CI. i would like to include lady coverage in my package. looks like prulady is my only option..

my question is what is the difference between prulady and pruessential lady? i know pruessential is under prulink but cannot find brochure anywhere..

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Hi..

I already have pruvantage which includes medical card, life, tpd and CI. i would like to include lady coverage in my package. looks like prulady is my only option..

my question is what is the difference between prulady and pruessential lady? i know pruessential is under prulink but cannot find brochure anywhere..

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Yes, all other ladies plan had been removed and replaced with the standalone ladies plan. It offers sum assured bounced back after 6 mths for carcinoma insitu cases.

If you need a quote, pls pm me the following info.
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QUOTE(magika @ May 23 2014, 02:34 PM)
Roy, a few question from a friend of mine regarding PRUlink million.

1. Coverage 500k for death/ TPD with Payor. In the Product Disclosure Sheet it is stated lump sum payment before age 70 next birthday but then the agent says covered until age 100. In the Sales Illustration it says expiry age 80.

2. My fren is age 40 and the premium payment period is 20 year. After the age 61 do we still need to pay premium or is it projected that the Cash Unit is enough to offset insurance charges.

3. At age 70  the projected insurance charges plus fund mgmt charges X is around 7k plus , for Y its around 8k plus ,what does x n Y means as the insurance charges is different .

4. At age 71 to 80. how much should we expect the insurance to cost , 30% - 50% or more?

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Gosh! Sorry for the late reply, for some reason, my subscription to this thread ended. I will reply to you tonight as i need to run the quote. Minta maaf ya...

1. For TPD, the coverage ends at age 70, but for Life, if the term is up to age 100, coverage for life will be up to age 100.

This means that if accident and declared TPD before age 70, the Rm500 k will be pay out. However, if after age 70 and only TPD, there will not be a Rm500k payout. Only upon death the Rm500k will be paid out.

Look at page 4 of the quote. Beside the Prumillion it is mention how long of the life cover term. If Prumillion term is up to age 80, then it is up to age 80.

2. If the payment term is 20 years then you only need to pay for 20 years and the coverage will run until the end of the term of Prumillion.

It is guarantee no lapse (provided the premium is paid up to date and no withdrawal has been made) even if your fund does not perform as it should.

3. The fund charges are relative to the amount of cash value your policy has accumulated. Since the cash values are based on projections and it is not guaranteed, the X and Y for the fund charges is also projections.

X represents the funds based on lower projections, assuming the funds/market did not perform as expected. The Y projects higher.

4. It depends on how long of a term your coverage is. Since in any insurance quotation, the maximum years that is shown is limited to 30 years, you may ask the agent to provide a 'simulation' quote for age 50-80 to get an idea of the insurance charges > 70.

If the coverage is up to age 100 then ask the agent to do a simulation for you at age 70-100. However do note that the insurance charges is not guaranteed.

Sorry for the late reply ya... missed out this message completely.notworthy.gif

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My agent told me that for prudential investment link insurance there is no difference to pay the premium by monthly, quarterly or yearly. Is this true?
Cause I heard that it'll be cheaper/has discount if pay by yearly.
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My agent told me that for prudential investment link insurance there is no difference to pay the premium by monthly, quarterly or yearly. Is this true?
Cause I heard that it'll be cheaper/has discount if pay by yearly.
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To answer your question, it won't be cheaper or more expensive if you pay yearly or monthly. it's not just prudential, it's all of the insurance companies.

To confuse you, there is a difference choosing monthly vs yearly vs quarterly vs semi-annually. Something called dollar cost averaging.

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QUOTE(adele123 @ Oct 1 2014, 10:35 PM)
To answer your question, it won't be cheaper or more expensive if you pay yearly or monthly. it's not just prudential, it's all of the insurance companies.

To confuse you, there is a difference choosing monthly vs yearly vs quarterly vs semi-annually. Something called dollar cost averaging.
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For GE, there will be an additional charge if you choose to pay monthly compared to yearly. Yearly you don't have to pay any additional charges, this is what my insurance agent told me, hence I paid lump sum 6 months straight.
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QUOTE(you90 @ Oct 2 2014, 09:20 AM)
For GE, there will be an additional charge if you choose to pay monthly compared to yearly. Yearly you don't have to pay any additional charges, this is what my insurance agent told me, hence I paid lump sum 6 months straight.
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Hi, you probably aren’t familiar. The other guy asked about Investment-Linked Plan. So my answer holds.

My own insurance plan is a traditional one. So yes, it will incur charges (additional 5% in total) when I pay monthly instead of yearly.

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QUOTE(adele123 @ Oct 2 2014, 10:25 AM)
Hi, you probably aren’t familiar. The other guy asked about Investment-Linked Plan. So my answer holds.

My own insurance plan is a traditional one. So yes, it will incur charges (additional 5% in total) when I pay monthly instead of yearly.
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Yes, what I meant is Investment linked too.

Probably, different insurance company have different charges?
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Yes, what I meant is Investment linked too.

Probably, different insurance company have different charges?
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Nope. Given the nature of how ILP works differently from traditional insurance plan, you shouldn’t be charged extra.

I can think of a few possibility
1) Your agent is stupid and he doesn’t know how to differentiate.
2) Your agent scared you terminate policy, wants you to lock you in for longer, so he lied.
3) You have special riders (with different payment term, I know 1 or 2 companies have this funny thing but not sure if GE does) attached to this plan. But no matter whether you have the riders or NOT, you should pay the same amount monthly/yearly to the basic plan.

I think 1) or 2) is more likely. 3) is unlikely. Could be 4) but I’m out of my depth. Could be many things in insurance I don’t know about.

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QUOTE(adele123 @ Oct 2 2014, 11:22 AM)
Nope. Given the nature of how ILP works differently from traditional insurance plan, you shouldn’t be charged extra.

I can think of a few possibility
1) Your agent is stupid and he doesn’t know how to differentiate.
2) Your agent scared you terminate policy, wants you to lock you in for longer, so he lied.
3) You have special riders (with different payment term, I know 1 or 2 companies have this funny thing but not sure if GE does) attached to this plan. But no matter whether you have the riders or NOT, you should pay the same amount monthly/yearly to the basic plan.

I think 1) or 2) is more likely. 3) is unlikely. Could be 4) but I’m out of my depth. Could be many things in insurance I don’t know about.
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My friend bought GE insurance and told me that she get discount when she pay by quarterly. But I'm not sure if hers is investment link or traditional plan cause she not clear with it as well. But as far as I know from what she told me it sounds like investment link. She has NCB, medical card, life, 36 CI, accident etc. All of it looks like investment link plan.
Anyway, I'll check with her~
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QUOTE(kaedechan @ Oct 2 2014, 02:27 PM)
My friend bought GE insurance and told me that she get discount when she pay by quarterly. But I'm not sure if hers is investment link or traditional plan cause she not clear with it as well. But as far as I know from what she told me it sounds like investment link. She has NCB, medical card, life, 36 CI, accident etc. All of it looks like investment link plan.
Anyway, I'll check with her~
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Given what you have pointed out (of your friends’ policy), it can be traditional or ILP. Traditional plans can also have CI, medical and PA. It’s not an exclusive thing to ILP.

I want to explain how ILP works and why it’s not cheaper to pay in whatever payment mode. But too lazy to explain because I’m not sure I know how to explain in less than 20 sentences.

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QUOTE(kaedechan @ Oct 2 2014, 02:27 PM)
My friend bought GE insurance and told me that she get discount when she pay by quarterly. But I'm not sure if hers is investment link or traditional plan cause she not clear with it as well. But as far as I know from what she told me it sounds like investment link. She has NCB, medical card, life, 36 CI, accident etc. All of it looks like investment link plan.
Anyway, I'll check with her~
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Hi kaedechan,

For investment linked, there will be no different either paying in monthly, quarterly, half-yearly or yearly in term of premium paid. The only difference is the accumulation of cash value.
Explanation is in spoiler, it's not important but it shown how it works
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For traditional policy, there will be up to maximum 5% of "rebate" if you are comparing monthly premium and yearly premium.
Explanation is in spoiler, it's not important but it shown how it works
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For your friend who having NCB medical card, 36 CI, accident etc, it really sound like a ILP. However, we can't make any statement from there since you are not sure yourself too smile.gif

QUOTE(adele123 @ Oct 2 2014, 04:01 PM)
Given what you have pointed out (of your friends’ policy), it can be traditional or ILP. Traditional plans can also have CI, medical and PA. It’s not an exclusive thing to ILP.

I want to explain how ILP works and why it’s not cheaper to pay in whatever payment mode. But too lazy to explain because I’m not sure I know how to explain in less than 20 sentences.

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QUOTE(kaedechan @ Oct 2 2014, 02:27 PM)
My friend bought GE insurance and told me that she get discount when she pay by quarterly. But I'm not sure if hers is investment link or traditional plan cause she not clear with it as well. But as far as I know from what she told me it sounds like investment link. She has NCB, medical card, life, 36 CI, accident etc. All of it looks like investment link plan.
Anyway, I'll check with her~
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For Investment-Linked Life Insurance, there will be no difference in premium regardless of the mode of payment.

For traditional Life Insurance, there is a 5% "rebate" on the premium for annual payments.

Just ask your friend if he/she has multiple policy booklet (all standalone traditional policies) or just one policy booklet (that would be investment linked).

I think the agent is just trying to boost his/her AFYP/ sweat.gif
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Hi i m newbie here & let me introduce myself i m 26 year old didnt bought any insurance.. this few day got a GE agent(frien) promote me a medical card which include saving, medical card & life insurance cost rm200 per month benefit 10% deposit critical in hospital can wave.. but i more interest in prudential due to my whole family member is prudential supporter n gt a bad experience from GE.. so i need all sifu advised is prudential got any package like GE?
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QUOTE(hanrx7 @ Oct 3 2014, 10:52 PM)
Hi i m newbie here & let me introduce myself i m 26 year old didnt bought any insurance.. this few day got a GE agent(frien) promote me a medical card which include saving, medical card & life insurance cost rm200 per month benefit 10% deposit critical in hospital can wave.. but i more interest in prudential due to my whole family member is prudential supporter n gt a bad experience from GE.. so i need all sifu advised is prudential got any package like GE?
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I dont know what is that 10% deposit waiver thing. Cut straight to the point, the insurance companies pretty much have similar things.

The things that you mention are in fact quite 'basic' and standard. You should be able to get comprehensive coverage with either ge, pru, aia, etc.

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Hi, i would like to get a protection for my "kaima" as she plan to have one medical card in prudential. please PM ur contact(Prudential only) so that i can contact you back to know more. i give u her detail here.
Name: Madam Ho, Age now: 52, Non smoker, Occupation: Teacher, All healthy, a bit overweight.
** I would like to get an Investment Link coverage for her. Just basic life protection of 10K(without critical illness), and a medical card with annual limit of 50K-80K. Please add in a waiver(critical illness and permanent disability waiver).

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QUOTE(hanrx7 @ Oct 3 2014, 10:52 PM)
Hi i m newbie here & let me introduce myself i m 26 year old didnt bought any insurance.. this few day got a GE agent(frien) promote me a medical card which include saving, medical card & life insurance cost rm200 per month benefit 10% deposit critical in hospital can wave.. but i more interest in prudential due to my whole family member is prudential supporter n gt a bad experience from GE.. so i need all sifu advised is prudential got any package like GE?
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QUOTE(hanrx7 @ Oct 3 2014, 10:52 PM)
Hi i m newbie here & let me introduce myself i m 26 year old didnt bought any insurance.. this few day got a GE agent(frien) promote me a medical card which include saving, medical card & life insurance cost rm200 per month benefit 10% deposit critical in hospital can wave.. but i more interest in prudential due to my whole family member is prudential supporter n gt a bad experience from GE.. so i need all sifu advised is prudential got any package like GE?
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you got pm . . . . . thumbup.gif


QUOTE(happyelvan @ Oct 4 2014, 11:30 AM)
Hi, i would like to get a protection for my "kaima" as she plan to have one medical card in prudential. please PM ur contact(Prudential only) so that i can contact you back to know more. i give u her detail here.
Name: Madam Ho, Age now: 52, Non smoker, Occupation: Teacher, All healthy, a bit overweight.
** I would like to get an Investment Link coverage for her. Just basic life protection of 10K(without critical illness), and a medical card with annual limit of 50K-80K. Please add in a waiver(critical illness and permanent disability waiver).

or you can quote me other.
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you got pm . . . . thumbup.gif

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I have question. For prufleximed, how many days after due date
for policy to be lapsed .Tq
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For new policies that are without any cash values, it is 30 days, at the next billing cycle.

However if the policy has accumulated sufficient cash values, the policy will continue to be inforced for as long as the accumulated cash values is able to sustain the insurance charges for each of the riders.

During this phase, the policy may go into partial lapse and upon depletion of the cash value, a full lapse may occur.

To revive a full lapse policy requires the policyholder to pay up all outstanding premium & provide health declaration all over.

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QUOTE(roystevenung @ Dec 3 2014, 11:48 AM)
For new policies that are without any cash values, it is 30 days, at the next billing cycle.

However if the policy has accumulated sufficient cash values, the policy will continue to be inforced for as long as the accumulated cash values is able to sustain the insurance charges for each of the riders.

During this phase, the policy may go into partial lapse and upon depletion of the cash value, a full lapse may occur.

To revive a full lapse policy requires the policyholder to pay up all outstanding premium & provide health declaration all over.
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Hi, if i am hospitalised in SG, will pruhealth / pruflexi med covers? or treatment must be in Malaysia?
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Hi, if i am hospitalised in SG, will pruhealth / pruflexi med covers? or treatment must be in Malaysia?
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Yes it does cover but you need to settle the bill in full upon getting discharge from the hospital. Upon your return to Malaysia, you may submit the claim for reimbursement.

The reimbursement will also be based on the standard rate as being charged in a Malaysian hospital. This is because we cannot issue Guarantee Letter to the hospital in SG.

For example, if the heart bypass were to cost SGD 100K, we may only reimburse you RM80K (which is the standard rate for heart bypass).

If you are working in SG, then it is also recommended to get a SG medical card on top of the medical card in Malaysia (if you still have plans to come back to Malaysia).

Disclaimer: The above numbers shown is for illustration purposes only and may differ from the actual rate being charged in the hospitals.

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QUOTE(roystevenung @ Dec 6 2014, 10:12 PM)
Yes it does cover but you need to settle the bill in full upon getting discharge from the hospital. Upon your return to Malaysia, you may submit the claim for reimbursement.

The reimbursement will also be based on the standard rate as being charged in a Malaysian hospital. This is because we cannot issue Guarantee Letter to the hospital in SG.

For example, if the heart bypass were to cost SGD 100K, we may only reimburse you RM80K (which is the standard rate for heart bypass).

If you are working in SG, then it is also recommended to get a SG medical card on top of the medical card in Malaysia (if you still have plans to come back to Malaysia).

Disclaimer: The above numbers shown is for illustration purposes only and may differ from the actual rate being charged in the hospitals.
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how about for the pru medic overseas ? if attach, then it will cover full bill?
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how about for the pru medic overseas ? if attach, then it will cover full bill?
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PRUmedic overseas (PMO) gives the policyholder the option to seek overseas medical treatment in China, Hong Kong or Singapore for 5 types of covered conditions:

1. Surgery related to cancer
2. Neurosurgery
3. Coronary artery bypass surgery
4. Heart valve surgery
5. Organ transplant (kidney, lung, liver, heart, pancreas & bone marrow)

There are 2 plans for PMO, PMO Gold & PMO Platinum. The annual/lifetime limit are Rm200K / RM 2M & RM400K / RM4M respectively.

The amount provides separate medical limit for treatment of the 5 covered conditions mentioned above.

To answer your question, as long as the bill is below or equal to the covered amount, the bill will be paid upon submission of the receipts & doctor's report.

Do note that PMO is also based on reimbursement basis. Pay and file a claim later.

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PRUmedic overseas (PMO) gives the policyholder the option to seek overseas medical treatment in China, Hong Kong or Singapore for 5 types of covered conditions:

1. Surgery related to cancer
2. Neurosurgery
3. Coronary artery bypass surgery
4. Heart valve surgery
5. Organ transplant (kidney, lung, liver, heart, pancreas & bone marrow)

There are 2 plans for PMO, PMO Gold & PMO Platinum. The annual/lifetime limit are Rm200K / RM 2M & RM400K / RM4M respectively.

The amount provides separate medical limit for treatment of the 5 covered conditions mentioned above.

To answer your question, as long as the bill is below or equal to the covered amount, the bill will be paid upon submission of the receipts & doctor's report.

Do note that PMO is also based on reimbursement basis. Pay and file a claim later.
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i see. so it is still better to get medical card in SG, so that any hospitalization can claim full amount, instead of converting to RM and be capped at standard rate as being charged in a Malaysian hospital
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QUOTE(icewater @ Dec 8 2014, 10:26 PM)
i see. so it is still better to get medical card in SG, so that any hospitalization can claim full amount, instead of converting to RM and be capped at standard rate as being charged in a Malaysian hospital
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If you plan to stay in SG for indefinitely and never come back to MY, then yes. Otherwise it is also good to get a MY card as well.

Do remember that insurance can only be bought when we are healthy.

RM400K is a lot of money, and most possibly its for cancer surgery.

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is that true prudential has new plan for BELIA.??
RM45 per month.
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is that true prudential has new plan for BELIA.??
RM45 per month.
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does prudential have fund saving plan?
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Of course the fund chosen & duration of savings for example entry & exit point will determine your final return




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http://www.hasil.gov.my/goindex.php?kump=5...3&unit=1&sequ=1

Every year Prudential will distribute an annual statement. In the annual statement it is separated to life n medical. The statement looks like this...
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


In item 21, add in the life premiums paid + epf, max rm6k
In item 24, add in the medical, max rm3k

Do note that it is up to the LHDN discretion on the tax rebate and may change from time to time...
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Anyone can recommend a plan?
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Any recommendation of medical and life insurance for

35 years old
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Everything healthy but high in cholesterol.

Anyone can recommend a plan?
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35 years old
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Everything healthy but high in cholesterol.

Anyone can recommend a plan?
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You can consider on PRUFleximed . . . but due to your cholesterol lvl there might be some loading in the premium
Fleximed last purchased is on 31st MARCH 2015 . . . will soon be replace with the NEW Valuemed card

Details on the new medi card will be posted soon . . . but personally the FLEXIMED is the best card ever Prudential have offer . . . thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif

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You can consider on PRUFleximed  . . . but due to your cholesterol lvl there might be some loading in the premium
Fleximed last purchased is on 31st MARCH 2015 . . . will soon be replace with the NEW Valuemed card

Details on the new medi card will be posted soon . . . but personally the FLEXIMED is the best card ever Prudential have offer  . . . thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
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You can consider on PRUFleximed  . . . but due to your cholesterol lvl there might be some loading in the premium
Fleximed last purchased is on 31st MARCH 2015 . . . will soon be replace with the NEW Valuemed card

Details on the new medi card will be posted soon . . . but personally the FLEXIMED is the best card ever Prudential have offer  . . . thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
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Dear PruSHIT, I'm seriously fed up with your company. Is a bad service that I've been gone through. Write in to your complaints mgmt via email which I get a auto reply said will reply Me back within 5 w/days but is now two months passed still no response. I called on yesterday. Line is busy and get response said will return my call within two hours. Now the call center are closed. With a brand call largest insurance company in Malaysia. But the service is lousy with no any standard. Really disappointed a consumer who pay money to you every month. very disappointed with your service, VERY slow even though asking for 3 week before..no any answer for me!!!
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Dear PruSHIT, I'm seriously fed up with your company. Is a bad service that I've been gone through. Write in to your complaints mgmt via email which I get a auto reply said will reply Me back within 5 w/days but is now two months passed still no response. I called on yesterday. Line is busy and get response said will return my call within two hours. Now the call center are closed. With a brand call largest insurance company in Malaysia. But the service is lousy with no any standard. Really disappointed a consumer who pay money to you every month. very disappointed with your service, VERY slow even though asking for 3 week before..no any answer for me!!!
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unker, i still do not understand between this and normal medical card benefit.

what the different ya?
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Is it true new policy no longer have allowance for hospitalization?
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Is it true new policy no longer have allowance for hospitalization?
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u pay extra $$ for premium, then u will get the allowance.
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unker, i still do not understand between this and normal medical card benefit.

what the different ya?
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Yes, its being removed due to abuse. People claim this to pay for the premium pun ada doh.gif

Those who already bought it earlier will continue.

QUOTE(MNet @ Mar 18 2015, 10:42 PM)
its additional rider.

u pay extra $$ for premium, then u will get the allowance.
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updated on some information . . .
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updated on some information  . . .
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is prudential only for health insurance?

any for general insurance?
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is prudential only for health insurance?

any for general insurance?
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If i buy pru med value plan R&B RM100 with med saver, but I stay at R&B RM500, so how is the calculation?
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is prudential only for health insurance?

any for general insurance?
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If wanna underwrite other types of risk, i'll prefer you go for a company that deals only on general insurance
as their coverage is more comprehensive. . .
Personally i'm representing MSIG & ACE as well, if have any inquiry can post here

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Been wondering why so many of my friends quit jobs and become prudential wealth planner. Somebody care to explain to me? How is their salary calculated? Is it based on how many person they got to buy the medical card? For example find 1 person then can get 10% commission while the person still paying?

Just curious. Thank you.
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Been wondering why so many of my friends quit jobs and become prudential wealth planner. Somebody care to explain to me? How is their salary calculated? Is it based on how many person they got to buy the medical card? For example find 1 person then can get 10% commission while the person still paying?

Just curious. Thank you.
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entrepreneurship . . . usually people who quit a job & join sales line is because maybe not satisfied with their current job or maybe then wanna try something else in their life
Well last time was like you say, as an agent their salary is 100% base on commision, each policy sold will grant them about 10-35% on average commision earn depending on the product.

As for now, if you have a degree in any class, you have a chance to have a basic salary of RM3,000 for the 1st 2 years under our EDP program. Training & etc will be provided & of course there is a minimum sales target that you MUST achieve monthly.

Simple to say insurance is never easy . . . . but is rewarding if your hardworking & have the network
Agency support is very important as well thumbup.gif
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Which plan is worth?

The pru med value or the existing pru health plan?
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Which plan is worth?

The pru med value or the existing pru health plan?
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During premium payment, of course PruHealth is more costs effective.

This is because you are expected to pay more if hospitalized due to the co-insurance (Inpatient: min RM300, 10% or max RM1K, Outpatient: 10% up to max RM2K) or high deductible option in PruHealth (RM3K/RM10K).

For PRUhealth, if you attached the Annual Limit Waiver, then the calculation is different. If the bill is less than the selected R&B annual limit, it follows the above inpatient co-insurance structure. Anything above the annual limit, it is 10%.

For PRUvalue med, if hospitalized and if Med Saver is selected, all you need to pay is RM300. If med saver is not selected, then it is full claim (which will naturally have a higher insurance charges).

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Which plan is worth?

The pru med value or the existing pru health plan?
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no plans that are worth or not worth . .. its more to which plan that suite you more

Personally i'm holding a PruHealth card RM100,000 p.a. cover up to age 80. Upgraded once
from the previous PMM series . . . . Have the thought of maybe going for higher limit to RM150K p.a.
rather than upgrading to Valuemed. The reason behind was:

1)I have no problem paying the co-insurance RM300min - RM1,000max or 10% for in hospital related claims
2)The current Pruhealth with RM400 no claim discount / yearly
3)Slightly lower insurance cost for now & also long term basis icon_rolleyes.gif

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My opinion:

I'll prefer to calculate large value than small value.
I have heard initial treatment of leukemia patient easily used up 200k.

Give and take for minor benefits, the final bill amount is the scariest..
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Hi guys is prulink one a good plan or should I get separate life insurance and medic card?
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QUOTE(AMenzZ @ Nov 11 2015, 01:44 AM)
My opinion:

I'll prefer to calculate large value than small value.
I have heard initial treatment of leukemia patient easily used up 200k.

Give and take for minor benefits, the final bill amount is the scariest..
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Hi guys is prulink one a good plan or should I get separate life insurance and medic card?
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You may get a quote for both options and decide from there.

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whats the best for a newly wed couple, looking for a new insurance plan that can cover accidents & pregnancy?
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whats the best for a newly wed couple, looking for a new insurance plan that can cover accidents & pregnancy?
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for women in general, PRUlady is one of the best female protection plan you could have. apart from that, PRUvalue med will cover medical expenses plus some pregnancy complication-related illnesses too. try to explore that smile.gif
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got insulance cover pregnancy meh?? hmm.gif hmm.gif hmm.gif
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got insulance cover pregnancy meh??  hmm.gif  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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insurance for pregnant topic
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2580239/all
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try tis?....hope the answer to your question can be found there
insurance for pregnant topic
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medical complication only right

i thought oso got cover the delivery ..lol
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medical complication only right

i thought oso got cover the delivery ..lol
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they don't cover the petrol...lol
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hello i want to ask whether family history factor effect insurance premium ?
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hello i want to ask whether family history factor effect insurance premium ?
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It may, depending on the type of history, for example if both parents are Thalassemia (or any genetic illness), the Underwriting may require the child to specific test to determine if the child is affected.

Terms and conditions vary depending on the results of the report.
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oh how about history of cancer? what happen if we did not disclosed the information ? how is the calculation of premium and underwriting is done?
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oh how about history of cancer? what happen if we did not disclosed the information ? how is the calculation of premium and underwriting is done?
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As mentioned it depends, example if in the family has 5 siblings and 4 of them has had a cancer episodes as compared to only 1, then the Underwriter may consider it as a standard risk whilst the one with 4 siblings down with cancer may have the policy declined.

Failure to declare any material fact that has substantial impact on how the policy is being underwritten falls under non-disclosure, therefore voiding the policy especially during a claim.

You are advised to declare and let Underwriting decide whether it is a material fact.

In short, do not give reason for the insurer to decline the claim on grounds of non-disclosure.
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oh how about history of cancer? what happen if we did not disclosed the information ? how is the calculation of premium and underwriting is done?
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It doesn't matter since they can still deny any claim using the best excuse "too many fraud claim on xxx sickness, now company disallowed this claim".
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Sorry. I am not sure whether this is the correct thread or not. I want to ask something about prudential. I have taken prulife ready insurance since october 2012. Monthly deduction is RM200. Rm50 from 200 will go to saving.

My question is, is truth that i cannot withdraw my money from those saving portion? My agent said that it is not mature yet.

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QUOTE(dexmonata @ Jan 21 2016, 08:34 PM)
Sorry. I am not sure whether this is the correct thread or not. I want to ask something about prudential. I have taken prulife ready insurance since october 2012. Monthly deduction is RM200. Rm50 from 200 will go to saving.

My question is, is truth that i cannot withdraw my money from those saving portion? My agent said that it is not mature yet.
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There is no maturity dates for PruSaver so to speak as PruSaver rider is not like the term policy which has shorter maturity dates. You can open up the policy book and see the maturity dates for PruSaver.

Depending on how the fund perform you may withdraw the cash values. However looking at most of the funds going down (as compared to early last year) at the moment, you may want to hold on to that thought.

Be warn that if you were to withdraw all of the cash values (if any) your policy may be at risk of needing to be top up (pay extra premium) should the fund performance goes further down or when the insurance charges goes up in later years (if the premium paid is insufficient to cover for the rise of the insurance charge.)

On top of that, the policy is only 2-3 years old, I highly doubt there is much to withdraw. You may ask the agent to snapshot for you how much is the current cash value.

Alternatively you may register for << PruAccess Customer Portal >>

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hi, my age 26, going to 27 by this year of april.
may i know what is not included in the pruvalue med? As far as i know, the Diagnostic Tests is not included (which will cost a bomb if MRI required in future, rm1.2k per scan).
im looking for medical card for myself. also, heard that we should buy for purely medical card without investment linked is the best right? if without ILP the charges for medical card will be increase yearly?

below are the benefit im looking for:
-no annual limit
-cover all medical or any other medical expenses
-high coverage.
-no co-insurance or deductible)

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hi, my age 26, going to 27 by this year of april.
may i know what is not included in the pruvalue med? As far as i know, the Diagnostic Tests is not included (which will cost a bomb if MRI required in future, rm1.2k per scan).
im looking for medical card for myself. also, heard that we should buy for purely medical card without investment linked is the best right? if without ILP the charges for medical card will be increase yearly?

below are the benefit im looking for:
-no annual limit
-cover all medical or any other medical expenses
-high coverage.
-no co-insurance or deductible)
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Medical card does not cover if there is nothing wrong with the person example if the MRI results are negative and/or no procedure to rectify the problem was performed.

Thus the term "medically necessary".

There is no medical card that will cover all medical expenses as the medical card do comes with Exclusions. What is not covered is clearly written in the brochure and the policy document.

For example pre existing illness that has persisted prior to getting the policy.

Let it be known that insurance charges will increase by age irrespective of whether it is an ILP or not. The reason is because as we get older, the chances of a claim is much higher as compared to when we are younger.

For ILP or policy that accumulates cash values, the cash values (if any) can be use to offset the insurance charges thus creating a perception that the policy holder does not need to pay more. This is not true.


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QUOTE(roystevenung @ Feb 2 2016, 03:53 PM)
Medical card does not cover if there is nothing wrong with the person example if the MRI results are negative and/or no procedure to rectify the problem was performed.

Thus the term "medically necessary".

There is no medical card that will cover all medical expenses as the medical card do comes with Exclusions. What is not covered is clearly written in the brochure and the policy document.

For example pre existing illness that has persisted prior to getting the policy.

Let it be known that insurance charges will increase by age irrespective of whether it is an ILP or not. The reason is because as we get older, the chances of a claim is much higher as compared to when we are younger.

For ILP or policy that accumulates cash values, the cash values (if any) can be use to offset the insurance charges thus creating a perception that the policy holder does not need to pay more. This is not true.
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Thanks for the reply.
That means the diagnostic test is still cover by pruvalue med except the MRI scan for a healthy person?
if in the long run, which one is the best between with ILP or without ILP?

Is it possible to get your advice how much will it be and which plan is the best for me?

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QUOTE(hsienhsien @ Feb 2 2016, 04:05 PM)
Thanks for the reply.
That means the diagnostic test is still cover by pruvalue med except the MRI scan for a healthy person?
if in the long run, which one is the best between with ILP or without ILP?

Is it possible to get your advice how much will it be and which plan is the best for me?
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It means that if the MRI is done and is found a tumor the surgical removal of the tumor is covered together with the costs of the MRI.

For example (true case):
A person suffered sudden fits and was warded for further investigation. Several tests were done, which includes blood tests, and MRI.

Test results came back that client suffered a mild stroke.

The costs of the hospitalization and tests performed to determine the cause is covered.

However if a healthy person just wanted to performed a MRI for precautionary reasons, then it is considered as for investigation purposes, which is not covered.

PruValue Med can only be attached to an ILP policy as it is a medical rider.
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I would like to know more about PruValue Med(PVM). This is a medical card plan? This PVM plan must attached together with life insurance plan? I dun really understand how it's work. Please advice... Thanks
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If I have my own medical card and company medical card, can I claim both?
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If I have my own medical card and company medical card, can I claim both?
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For the medical card (irrespective of who is the insurer) you can claim from both but the claim is limited to the bill amount.

Example:
Company medical Card covers Rm30k per year
Personal medical card covers Rm100k per year
Total hospitalization bill costs Rm50k.

You may claim rm30k from the company card, upon discharge pay cash Rm20k.

Then file a claim to your personal insurer using the original receipt of Rm20k.

Alternatively you may just use the personal.medical card which is sufficient to cover the Rm50k bill.
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Yeap you can.

You first claim under company medical card until limit finish then can use your own personal medical card for the remaining.
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Just want to ask the types of ILP that prudential offer.
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Just want to ask the types of ILP that prudential offer.
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you can refer to their website
http://www2.prudential.com.my/corp/prudential_en_my/solutions/


or do you want to look for pure investments?

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Most ILP in the market are very similar in general such as it's a flexible plan where you can add on or remove riders such as medical card, critical illness, waiver, early critical illness, hospital income and etc.
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QUOTE(theFIREman @ Mar 24 2016, 12:18 AM)
That's a very broad question. Mind to share what do you want to cover against?
you can refer to their website
http://www2.prudential.com.my/corp/prudential_en_my/solutions/
or do you want to look for pure investments?
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I saw your thread, mind to share some investment product? Recently kind of want to find some reputable investment product. For ILP aso, might looking for 35% insurance, 65% investment.
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I just go look on Prudential website, may i know what's the different between PRUlink investor account and PRUlink global investor account??
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I saw your thread, mind to share some investment product? Recently kind of want to find some reputable investment product. For ILP aso, might looking for 35% insurance, 65% investment.
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If you're looking more on the investment side, how much return u expecting ?

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I just go look on Prudential website, may i know what's the different between PRUlink investor account and PRUlink global investor account??
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Eastspring Investment: http://www.eastspringinvestments.com.my/

For insurance, look at insurance as for Protection, not for investment.


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QUOTE(roystevenung @ Mar 26 2016, 11:45 AM)
For pure investment you may look at Eastspring Investment from Prudential which you may purchase thru regular premium or single premium.

Eastspring Investment: http://www.eastspringinvestments.com.my/

For insurance, look at insurance as for Protection, not for investment.
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Currently just looking on both which investment+insurance as i will need insurance for relief tax and investment to invest.

For the Eastspring, is that unit trust? I do own unit trust in pb adi, will look for other investment option.

And yet, u haven't answer my question.
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Still trying to do some research on this.

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hi i got a call from a PRU agent some days ago pitching a product called PRU Cash Booster. Can anyone help to explain the pros and cons of this product?

Still trying to do some research on this.
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That's a new savings concept by Pru(Endowment plan)
It guarantees yearly payouts and some by the way insurance coverage but dont be mistaken, this is not insurance-focused

Many people find this plan very interesting because of the guaranteed yearly payouts.
If you dont want to use the payout, you can save it back into the plan and accumulate the additional interest/bonus. And for me, its a good discipline tool for me to save and accumulate savings for my future. especially retirement.

It's a long term plan so you have to decide on the proper term

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Hi, want to ask question. Last month my sister went to Prince Court to get warded after clinic doc ask go to hosp cos need further treatment.

Waiting from 2PM then 9PM only get approval from prudential.

Why is it taking so long?

My agent say hospital queuing is long.

But the staff there told me prudential now very long need to wait. Other insurance process can get faster.

Donno who to belip. I tend to believe the staff more cos they are handling it everyday...

Can advise?
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QUOTE(ccmee20 @ Mar 11 2016, 11:46 AM)
I would like to know more about PruValue Med(PVM). This is a medical card plan? This PVM plan must attached together with life insurance plan? I dun really understand how it's work. Please advice... Thanks
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PVM is the new medical card introduced that has an open limit of RM1MIL, RM1.5MIL, RM2MIL with no annual Limit. Even if it exceeds, PRU still pays for you 80% rclxms.gif

I feel it's always best to have a comprehensive plan. When you are not well and not able to work, you suffer a great financial loss and have medical expenses to attend to. Your sum assured should be your income replacement and let the card settle your treatments.

That's what I feel blush.gif
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QUOTE(maraippo @ Apr 11 2016, 03:23 PM)
Hi, want to ask question. Last month my sister went to Prince Court to get warded after clinic doc ask go to hosp cos need further treatment.

Waiting from 2PM then 9PM only get approval from prudential.

Why is it taking so long?

My agent say hospital queuing is long.

But the staff there told me prudential now very long need to wait. Other insurance process can get faster.

Donno who to belip. I tend to believe the staff more cos they are handling it everyday...

Can advise?
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I guess these mistake happens everywhere sad.gif
But importantly, try to speak with your agent to clarify this issue.
To understand what happened.
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QUOTE(maraippo @ Apr 11 2016, 03:23 PM)
Hi, want to ask question. Last month my sister went to Prince Court to get warded after clinic doc ask go to hosp cos need further treatment.

Waiting from 2PM then 9PM only get approval from prudential.

Why is it taking so long?

My agent say hospital queuing is long.

But the staff there told me prudential now very long need to wait. Other insurance process can get faster.

Donno who to belip. I tend to believe the staff more cos they are handling it everyday...

Can advise?
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Well, hospital want to make money and insurance want to make money.
How to make money?
Hospital make money by offering service to you, faster ward you, faster money comes in.
Insurance companies makes money by denying claims, making you hard to claim.
An insurance agent will only honest on pointing out other company's policy and forever will cheat and mislead you to buy his policy.
So by knowing the above 3 dirty facts, you shall know who is cheating.
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QUOTE(maraippo @ Apr 11 2016, 03:23 PM)
Hi, want to ask question. Last month my sister went to Prince Court to get warded after clinic doc ask go to hosp cos need further treatment.

Waiting from 2PM then 9PM only get approval from prudential.

Why is it taking so long?

My agent say hospital queuing is long.

But the staff there told me prudential now very long need to wait. Other insurance process can get faster.

Donno who to belip. I tend to believe the staff more cos they are handling it everyday...

Can advise?
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This is very simple to answer.
Just turn your medical card and check the telephone number on the back.
These are the number of the hospital admission agency number.
Different insurance company contracted admission service to this kind of company.

So basically admission to hospital is their service, nothing to do with agents. That's why medical protection got card and not life, 36CI or PA.

Insurance company will pay a sum to this company yearly to provide admission service for you.
As my exploration so far only SOS and AA.

FYI, these company will pay or refuse to pay for the hospitalisation cost first, then claim it from your insurance company.
When your coverage too small, they will inform hospital and hospital will ask you to pay first. Most of the time when insured person requested to put deposit, first thing they do is to call their agents...then agents will ask them pay first and assist to reimburse but mostly failed to..end up telling media insurance company cheat and promised yourself never buy insurance again.

Back to the card, if the number is toll free, then it take longer time.
If the number is not toll free, means it's direct line. Then take shorter time.
Not many insurance company pay for the package of direct line.

These agency also verify the hospital bills before claim. If their found the charges far too much from the rate, they may refuse to pay that particular item,

There are some insurance companies don't engage such service, then you will have a lot more problems compared to those who engaged.

This agency also cover your international emergency evacuation service. Some insurance company only get rm 100k per case and some pay usd 1 mil per case.

Sorry for the long sharing
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This is very simple to answer.
Just turn your medical card and check the telephone number on the back.
These are the number of the hospital admission agency number.
Different insurance company contracted admission service to this kind of company.

So basically admission to hospital is their service, nothing to do with agents. That's why medical protection got card and not life, 36CI or PA.

Insurance company will pay a sum to this company yearly to provide admission service for you.
As my exploration so far only SOS and AA.

FYI, these company will pay or refuse to pay for the hospitalisation cost first, then claim it from your insurance company.
When your coverage too small, they will inform hospital and hospital will ask you to pay first. Most of the time when insured person requested to put deposit, first thing they do is to call their agents...then agents will ask them pay first and assist to reimburse but mostly failed to..end up telling media insurance company cheat and promised yourself never buy insurance again.

Back to the card, if the number is toll free, then it take longer time.
If the number is not toll free, means it's direct line. Then take shorter time.
Not many insurance company pay for the package of direct line.

These agency also verify the hospital bills before claim. If their found the charges far too much from the rate, they may refuse to pay that particular item,

There are some insurance companies don't engage such service, then you will have a lot more problems compared to those who engaged.

This agency also cover your international emergency evacuation service. Some insurance company only get rm 100k per case and some pay usd 1 mil per case.

Sorry for the long sharing
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THANKS!!! It's a great sharing. Knows nothing of this before. All this time i thought the insurance company handles everything.

But still, it doesn't justify the long waiting from 2pm-9pm just to get admitted... Few hours, still logical. This is more than 6 hours.

Anyhow, really appreciates your sharing smile.gif

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It will be much more easy that you know your coverage limits because you can ask them to admit you first and let them slow slow doing the correspondence.

There are some issue have to depends how experience the hospital handling it.

Because admission agency will request the in charge doctor to provide a report include cost for them. Sometimes the doctor out for lunch or busy. It is always advice prearrange.

Oya... Doctor visitation do have a limits. Some insurance company only allow claim 1 visit per day and some twice a day.

Let's say if your policy mentioned only can visit twice a day but the doctor visited you 4 times a day. Then the extra 2 times you have to bare it.

So it is better to understand well as most agents being cursed or blame due to lack of knowledge. How good their service also ain't help, if without knowledge.
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Can i pm you? If it ok i want to ask you few questions about it.
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hi..How to determine which expiry age for my policy? my current policy expired on 70 years old. Should I upgrade to 80 years old?
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hi..How to determine which expiry age for my policy? my current policy expired on 70 years old. Should I upgrade to 80 years old?
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It is recommended to have the medical up to age 80 as generally most major claims only occurs when we are older.

Do note that the premium will need to be paid till age 80 as well.

Hence it requires a bit of planning on how to finance the premium if one were to retire at age 60.
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so 2 of my friends approach me, try to subscribe me an insurance plan. 1 is etiqa, 1 is prubsn.

which one should i choose?
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so 2 of my friends approach me, try to subscribe me an insurance plan. 1 is etiqa, 1 is prubsn.

which one should i choose?
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PruBSN... wink.gif
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i have a prudential investment link plan quite long time ago... it about i believe 13 years ago.
the premium is rm150 (previously) increased abit rm15x.xx

1) should i upgrade the plan
2) should i buy additional insurance plan
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QUOTE(jojoe @ May 11 2016, 12:12 AM)
i have a prudential investment link plan quite long time ago... it about i believe 13 years ago.
the premium is rm150 (previously) increased abit rm15x.xx

1) should i upgrade the plan
2) should i buy additional insurance plan
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It is depend on your need.. smile.gif
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QUOTE(jojoe @ May 11 2016, 12:12 AM)
i have a prudential investment link plan quite long time ago... it about i believe 13 years ago.
the premium is rm150 (previously) increased abit rm15x.xx

1) should i upgrade the plan
2) should i buy additional insurance plan
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It's ideal to review your insurance policy once a year if possible for any changes in your lifestyle otherwise you might be underinsured
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QUOTE(jojoe @ May 11 2016, 12:12 AM)
i have a prudential investment link plan quite long time ago... it about i believe 13 years ago.
the premium is rm150 (previously) increased abit rm15x.xx

1) should i upgrade the plan
2) should i buy additional insurance plan
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Yes, it is recommended that you engage with your agent to do a review of the insurance plan as the value of a Rm100 13 years ago is definitely not the same value as of today.

For example, the insertion of a pacemaker device which costs Rm43,000 in 2010 is Rm60,000 today. A knee cap replacement is Rm50k today.
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which one should i choose?
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Would you get a life insurance from a general insurance company or life insurance?
Every company specialize in different aspects and pick the one that's good in what you need.


QUOTE(jojoe @ May 11 2016, 12:12 AM)
i have a prudential investment link plan quite long time ago... it about i believe 13 years ago.
the premium is rm150 (previously) increased abit rm15x.xx

1) should i upgrade the plan
2) should i buy additional insurance plan
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Because it's a comprehensive plan, the best part is you add increase and decrease along the way on what you need and more concern of. Upgrade what you already have started smile.gif

Contact your agent and do a review once more.

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i signed my medical card 8 yrs ago,

monthly RM180 + RM100 investment link

is it possible to upgrade the plan without increase monthly premium ?

i know there many new plan better benefit

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Hi. I am very active person. I actively involved with triathlon, adventure race and ultramarathon. Currently, I subscribed to PruBSN Health Enrich Premier.

Normally before any big event, I buy additional plan from MSIG Take It Easy Sports as it very affordable.

Recently, I just stumble upon plan, Re-Claim by Lonpac specifically for sports enthusiast but the policy is not really easy for my wallet.

Do you think my current policy from Prudential is sufficient for weekend warrior like me? Do I need to buy extra policy specifically for sports?

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QUOTE(SYAMiLLiON @ May 13 2016, 11:40 AM)
Hi. I am very active person. I actively involved with triathlon, adventure race and ultramarathon. Currently, I subscribed to PruBSN Health Enrich Premier.

Normally before any big event, I buy additional plan from MSIG Take It Easy Sports as it very affordable.

Recently, I just stumble upon plan, Re-Claim by Lonpac specifically for sports enthusiast but the policy is not really easy for my wallet.

Do you think my current policy from Prudential is sufficient for weekend warrior like me? Do I need to buy extra policy specifically for sports?
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If you're very in sports all the time then the re claim policy seems very good as it's target you specifically as their customer.

However if you're more for a rounded protection then what you have is suffice plus a top up for weekend events

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My friend has a Pru Lady card.. She went to clinic and discover gallstones. One of the gallstones are big and require operation to remove. But doctor mentioned that its not urgent to remove.

So, if she go to private hospital, can she claim for the operation?
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QUOTE(smartinvestor01 @ Jun 30 2016, 09:09 AM)
My friend has a Pru Lady card.. She went to clinic and discover gallstones. One of the gallstones are big and require operation to remove. But doctor mentioned that its not urgent to remove.

So, if she go to private hospital, can she claim for the operation?
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PruLady is not a medical card, rather, it is an added cover for female illnesses.

Click -->>PruLady Cover

For gallstones removal she needs a medical card in order to claim. Does she has a medical card?

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Hi, I'm having PMM100 series 1 bought in 2001. Does outpatient kidney and cancer treatment still with 10K annual limit? Recall received some company revision on annual limit 50K to 62.5K, but any changes to the 10K annual limit for outpatient? Thanks.
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QUOTE(mktan78 @ Jul 14 2016, 07:15 AM)
Hi, I'm having PMM100 series 1 bought in 2001. Does outpatient kidney and cancer treatment still with 10K annual limit? Recall received some company revision on annual limit 50K to 62.5K, but any changes to the 10K annual limit for outpatient? Thanks.
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For PMM1 the Cancer Treatment and Kidney was revised to Rm50k.

However you may contact your servicing agent on whether your policy is selected for upgrading to PruValue Med which gives Rm1.5m on Cancer Treatment and Kidney Dialysis.
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QUOTE(roystevenung @ Jul 14 2016, 11:57 AM)
For PMM1 the Cancer Treatment and Kidney was revised to Rm50k.

However you may contact your servicing agent on whether your policy is selected for upgrading to PruValue Med which gives Rm1.5m on Cancer Treatment and Kidney Dialysis.
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Thanks for the update.
I was being advised, not selected, for taking up PVM. However, in view already have 1st medical card, I may wish to go for deductible 20K option as 2nd medical card. Would you be able to advise if PVM could be converted back to zero deductible or with med saver let say after retirement 55 years old. Is this applicable for PVM? If yes, then PVM is highly appealing. Thanks.
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QUOTE(mktan78 @ Jul 14 2016, 05:27 PM)
Thanks for the update.
I was being advised,  not selected,  for taking up PVM. However, in view already have 1st medical card, I may wish to go for deductible 20K option as 2nd medical card. Would you be able to advise if PVM could be converted back to zero deductible or with med saver let say after retirement 55 years old. Is this applicable for PVM? If yes, then PVM is highly appealing.  Thanks.
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Assuming that you had the PVM with Rm20k deductible as a second medical card and prior to retiring you want to convert it to include med saver (rm300), it is only possible if you remain healthy during the conversion.

Converting it from Rm20k deductible to med saver Rm300 means added risk to the insurer. Therefore a medical underwriting is necessary.
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QUOTE(mktan78 @ Jul 14 2016, 07:15 AM)
Hi, I'm having PMM100 series 1 bought in 2001. Does outpatient kidney and cancer treatment still with 10K annual limit? Recall received some company revision on annual limit 50K to 62.5K, but any changes to the 10K annual limit for outpatient? Thanks.
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50k limit is not alot nowadays

Pls consider to upgrade the policy
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QUOTE(roystevenung @ Jul 14 2016, 05:56 PM)
Assuming that you had the PVM with Rm20k deductible as a second medical card and prior to retiring you want to convert it to include med saver (rm300), it is only possible if you remain healthy during the conversion.

Converting it from Rm20k deductible to med saver Rm300 means added risk to the insurer. Therefore a medical underwriting is necessary.
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Thanks for prompt reply as usual. However this means it's only possible if PVM is still active product let say 20 years from now? Eg, is underwriting still possible if PVM off shelf by then? Eg, like my current PMM100 series 1, it's not possible to underwrite to PMM200 series 1 after just 15 years right since PMM already phased out. Apology if it's a bad comparison analogy. Hope you get what I'm trying to point out. Perhaps something more secure like Pru Health's prumedic retirement rider for PVM for guaranteed conversion back to zero deductible / med saver.

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QUOTE(mktan78 @ Jul 14 2016, 06:38 PM)
Thanks for prompt reply as usual. However this means it's only possible if PVM is still active product let say 20 years from now?  Eg, is underwriting still possible if PVM off shelf by then?  Eg, like my current PMM100  series 1, it's not possible to underwrite to PMM200 series 1 after just 15 years right since PMM already phased out. Apology if it's a bad comparison analogy. Hope you get what I'm trying to point out. Perhaps something more secure like Pru Health's prumedic retirement rider for PVM for guaranteed conversion back to zero deductible / med saver.
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Yes that too (if the product still remains in the market) and I got your point.

FYi PMM1 is still able to be upgraded to PMM5 (which is currently still in sales). However in PMM5, Cancer Treatment and Kidney Dialysis it does not cover Take Home Drugs, Long Term Meds and Consultation Charges.

PMM5 also comes with co insurance (min Rm300 - Rm1K) as opposed to PMM1 (full claim)

This is why most agents advice to upgrade to PVM (full claim or Rm300 or deductible options)
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QUOTE(roystevenung @ Jul 14 2016, 07:05 PM)
Yes that too (if the product still remains in the market) and I got your point.

FYi PMM1 is still able to be upgraded to PMM5 (which is currently still in sales). However in PMM5, Cancer Treatment and Kidney Dialysis it does not cover Take Home Drugs, Long Term Meds and Consultation Charges.

PMM5 also comes with co insurance (min Rm300 - Rm1K)  as opposed to PMM1 (full claim)

This is why most agents advice to upgrade to PVM (full claim or Rm300 or deductible options)
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Thanks for the clear explanation. I'll assume my PMM1 for outpatient cancer treatment and kidney dialysis will also not entitled for Take Home drugs, long term mess and consultation charges, correct?
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Thanks for the clear explanation. I'll assume my PMM1 for outpatient cancer treatment and kidney dialysis will also not entitled for Take Home drugs, long term mess and consultation charges, correct?
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PMM1 yes, it do cover Take Home drugs, Long Term Meds and Consultation Charges. However, it is still bounded by the annual limit of RM50K. If you use up too much on the THD, LTM and CC, it may not even be sufficient to pay for the chemo.

PMM3 onward does not cover.

PruValue Med do cover the Take Home drugs, Long Term Meds and Consultation Charges.

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PMM1 yes, it do cover Take Home drugs, Long Term Meds and Consultation Charges. However, it is still bounded by the annual limit of RM50K. If you use up too much on the THD, LTM and CC, it may not even be sufficient to pay for the chemo.

PMM3 onward does not cover.

PruValue Med do cover the Take Home drugs, Long Term Meds and Consultation Charges.
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Something new learnt today. Thank you so much.
Noticed that only PVM outpatient benefit explicitly mentioned on the Take Home drugs etc. Can this imply that other insurance provider, if doesn't mentioned this, then no such entitlement benefits?
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Something new learnt today. Thank you so much.
Noticed that only PVM outpatient benefit explicitly mentioned on the Take Home drugs etc. Can this imply that other insurance provider, if doesn't mentioned this, then no such entitlement benefits?
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A more serious question and obviously a lengthy one.

In the past, Prudential medical insurance was always using "Guaranteed Renewal", however, since PVM, it switched to "Non-Cancellable" while emphasizing it's actually same with guaranteed renewal. Now if one is to search the definition (web) , it's generally indicating policy where "an insurance company can’t cancel, increase the premiums on or reduce the benefits of as long as the customer pays the premiums."

First non conformity would obviously be in PVM version, premium and/or insurance charges is subject to be revised. It's actually still acceptable in Malaysia landscape plus how Prudential medical insurance works in the past (PMM, PruFlexi Med, Pru Health).

Now, what may need further attention is the portion about non cancellable benefit or reduction of benefit. I'd had opportunity to read through PVM policy and the provision clause mentioned in both below which relates to PVM:

1) Annexure 227 : Part 5 : General Conditions
2) Annexure MB3 : Part 2 : General Conditions  - A. Alteration

When read, it quite cause one to be suspicious that these clauses actually enable the company to have the ability for Future Alteration which may open the risk of Table of Benefits subjected to alteration which is damaging if it's to reduce covered benefits. The clauses also clearly spell ability to alter terms and conditions, aside from the usual premium and insurance charges. This defeat the overall "non cancellable" policy as it doesn't looks good for guaranteed renewal but other "ingredients" are subject to be altered.

Yet another provision clause is regarding the non cancellable itself warranted under "Annexure MB3 : H. Non-cancellable"

This part of annexure was specifically mentioning that "Non-Cancellable is
only for insurance cover (any annexure) on "Life Assured being Confined to
the Hospital".

The curious part is why emphasize only for "Confined to Hospital" which gives impression non cancellable only applies to "Inpatient Benefit" while rest is not governed by the non cancellable eg outpatient, other benefits, and when relates back to "Alteration" provision mentioned above, the whole PVM non cancellable looks really discredited.

Well, I'm not legal expert nor fluent with such big jargon used in the policy. But these clauses doesn't shown in older Prudential policy. Really hope you may give some advice or comments on this realm as I'm long term Prudential customer which still trying to believe the company always strive to provide quality product and outshine other providers in Malaysia.

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@roystevenung

A more serious question and obviously a lengthy one.

In the past, Prudential medical insurance was always using "Guaranteed Renewal",  however, since PVM, it switched to "Non-Cancellable" while emphasizing it's actually same with guaranteed renewal. Now if one is to search the definition (web) , it's generally indicating policy where "an insurance company can’t cancel, increase the premiums on or reduce the benefits of as long as the customer pays the premiums."

First non conformity would obviously be in PVM version, premium and/or insurance charges is subject to be revised. It's actually still acceptable in Malaysia landscape plus how Prudential medical insurance works in the past (PMM, PruFlexi Med, Pru Health).

Now, what may need further attention is the portion about non cancellable benefit or reduction of benefit. I'd had opportunity to read through PVM policy and the provision clause mentioned in both below which relates to PVM:

1) Annexure 227 : Part 5 : General Conditions
2) Annexure MB3 : Part 2 : General Conditions  - A. Alteration

When read, it quite cause one to be suspicious that these clauses actually enable the company to have the ability for Future Alteration which may open the risk of Table of Benefits subjected to alteration which is damaging if it's to reduce covered benefits. The clauses also clearly spell ability to alter terms and conditions, aside from the usual premium and insurance charges. This defeat the overall "non cancellable" policy as it doesn't looks good for guaranteed renewal but other "ingredients" are subject to be altered.

Yet another provision clause is regarding the non cancellable itself warranted under "Annexure MB3 : H. Non-cancellable"

This part of annexure was specifically mentioning that "Non-Cancellable  is
only for insurance cover (any annexure) on "Life Assured being Confined to
the Hospital".

The curious part is why emphasize only for "Confined to Hospital" which gives impression non cancellable only applies to "Inpatient Benefit" while rest is not governed by the non cancellable eg outpatient, other benefits, and when relates back to "Alteration" provision mentioned above, the whole PVM non cancellable looks really discredited.

Well, I'm not legal expert nor fluent with such big jargon used in the policy. But these clauses doesn't shown in older Prudential policy. Really hope you may give some advice or comments on this realm as I'm long term Prudential customer which still trying to believe the company always strive to provide quality product and outshine other providers in Malaysia.

Thanks
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"Guaranteed Renewal" and "Non-Cancelable" refers to the same thing.

Some of the older version of the stand alone medical card (which are normally provided by General Insurance company is annually renewed and is non-guaranteed to be renewed).

This means that if I have a heart bypass this year, and upon the renewal next year the insurer may exclude the heart condition or turn down the application altogether. It would be rather impossible for me to find other insurer to get reinsured if I had a heart condition.

This is why most insurer nowadays provides "Guarantee Renewal".

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In MY the insurer reserve the right to increase the premium (or rather the insurance charges) should there be a necessity in order to maintain the insurance portfolio. I believe this is applicable to all insurer and not only limited to Prudential.

The last increase of the premium was from 1997 and it was carried out in 2015. Some of my clients was increased by RM30/mth.

On the part of reducing the benefits, I have not known of any insurer that does that unless the applicant themselves specifically request to lower the benefits.

The part on the Alteration, it is necessary to be included in the new policy as we had seen that the government rules may change, example the inclusion of the GST as part of the insurance parcel.

To be fair to the clients (and to us agents who holds Prudential medical card) the alteration part is not applicable to PVM. This means we cannot amend the benefit structure of PVM.

Yes, we agents are the ones who will make 'noise' to Prudential if we get 'nonsense' T&C wink.gif

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hi, i want to ask whether TCM treatment fee is claimable under prudential medical insurance ?
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Hi, if 1st medical card PMM with annual limit 50K, lifetime limit 150K. Intend to buy PVM as 2nd medical card, with deductible 20K. Assuming anniversary of both cards are close by. Now since 1st card have lower lifetime limit, is it possible if we submit both cards for Hospitals Alliances hospitals for cashless admission, we request Prudential to only utilize 20K on first card (instead of its annual limit of 50K) and starts on claiming 2nd card since fulfilled 20K deductible oledi. This will able to prolong 1st card limit exhaustion. Possible? Assumption made, the single admission incurred more than 50K bill.

Heard from my colleague that oledi PVM holders, also 2 medical cards, he mentioned agent ask to submit both medical cards when admitted.

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For PVM, there's one benefit (Expert Medical Opinion) that's having limited information aside from its website which gives below description :

"Expert Medical Opinion is a value added service that provides second medical opinion from medical experts in various areas of specialisation. This service is to assist you to learn more about your medical conditions and make an informed decision on the treatment plans."

Need extra rider? Or if built-in oledi, what is the pre-requisite to use it to ensure claimable later on?
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QUOTE(mktan78 @ Jul 16 2016, 10:56 PM)
Hi, if 1st medical card PMM with annual limit 50K, lifetime limit 150K. Intend to buy PVM as 2nd medical card, with deductible 20K. Assuming anniversary of both cards are close by. Now since 1st card have lower lifetime limit, is it possible if we submit both cards for Hospitals Alliances hospitals for cashless admission, we request Prudential to only utilize 20K on first card (instead of its annual limit of 50K) and starts on claiming 2nd card since fulfilled 20K deductible oledi. This will able to prolong 1st card limit exhaustion. Possible? Assumption made, the single admission incurred more than 50K bill.

Heard from my colleague that oledi PVM holders,  also 2 medical cards, he mentioned agent ask to submit both medical cards when admitted.
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Understood what you want to do (to prolonged the 1st medical card).

It is possible to be done, but the hospital concern may need to limit the RM20K on the 1st bill. Then reissue another Letter of Authorization for the subsequent bill on the second medical card.

Cashless admission can only be done if both card are from the same insurer (and from the above, it is).

Ps. If the second medical card was from a different insurer, then you will need to settle the amount not covered (assuming that the annual limit has been exhausted) upon discharge and only file for reimbursement on the second insurer.

QUOTE(mktan78 @ Jul 16 2016, 11:06 PM)
For PVM, there's one benefit (Expert Medical Opinion) that's having limited information aside from its website which gives below description :

"Expert Medical Opinion is a value added service that provides second medical opinion from medical experts in various areas of specialisation. This service is to assist you to learn more about your medical conditions and make an informed decision on the treatment plans."

Need extra rider?  Or if built-in oledi, what is the pre-requisite to use it to ensure claimable later on?
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No, but what kind of TCM treatment specifically are you referring to? Bone setting? Acupuncture?

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Bone setting and acupuncture. From MRI, specialist said no problem, then give me a relief pain medicine and the condition is not getting better.
From TCM, he studied MRI and said i need take a long treatment and take time to recover.
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Hey guys, I hope I am able to get some unbiased opinion here. I know its damn ironic to expect for an unbiased answer from a sellers thread but considering that there are also outsiders who do not want to purchase due to the cons the product brings, may I know...

is Prudential Cash Booster really that good? My friend who is a Prudential agent keep telling me how good the product is, with a minimum monthly payment, almost all aspects of my life are covered etc etc. I know no products are perfect, so, if there is something bad about this product, what would it be?

Is it the suitable and the only investment product I need if I can only fork out RM200 every month? If not, what else would you guys recommend?
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hey, premium payment auto debit credit card got extra charges?
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Please contact the bank that you are using to inquire whether is there any extra charges incurred for using their debit card facility as the debit card facility is provided by the bank, not Prudential.

Alternative payments includes credit card, debit card, atm banking, online banking.

Cash or cheque payment is advisable to be avoided if possible.

For more information you may refer to our website << Premium Payment >>
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Yes, it is possible. If 36 CI Rm200k is paid out and upon death another Rm100k will be paid.
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hi roy,

i thought once claim CI, life sum assured will be reduced to zero? no? as mention above

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hi roy,

i thought once claim CI, life sum assured will be reduced to zero? no? as mention above

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It depends on the type of riders in the policy and of course all boils down to the client's budget.

There are basically two types of 36 CI riders, one that accelerates the payment of the 36 CI (meaning once the 36 CI is claim, upon death there wont be any death payment) AND another that pays during a 36 CI and upon death, another lump sum payable.

Naturally the second one will costs more as the insurer is needed to provide more coverage.
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hi, i have a question.

I have already submitted doc for applying the medical card in Aug however it is still progressing as it needs government letter to proceed to next stage, according to my agent it needs 1 to 1.5 months.. My birthday is early November I'm afraid by that time the premium will go up. What can I do about this?

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It depends on the type of riders in the policy and of course all boils down to the client's budget.

There are basically two types of 36 CI riders, one that accelerates the payment of the 36 CI (meaning once the 36 CI is claim, upon death there wont be any death payment) AND another that pays during a 36 CI and upon death, another lump sum payable.

Naturally the second one will costs more as the insurer is needed to provide more coverage.
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thanks for the reply...

now i understands.. i heard that that pru ILP once death/TPD due to accident will pay double sum assured?
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thanks for the reply...

now i understands.. i heard that that pru ILP once death/TPD due to accident will pay double sum assured?
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The rider is known as Accidental Death & Disablement - If the accidental Death/TPD occurs while travelling using public transport, elevator or in a burning public building (eg cinema), Double Indemnity (of the sum insured) will take effect.

To be fair many other insurer also offers the same.
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QUOTE(pino88 @ Sep 26 2016, 04:10 PM)
hi, i have a question.

I have already submitted doc for applying the medical card in Aug however it is still progressing as it needs government letter to proceed to next stage, according to my agent it needs 1 to 1.5 months.. My birthday is early November I'm afraid by that time the premium will go up. What can I do about this?

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It does not really matter.

I assuming you are talking about investment linked, but the same concept applicable to traditional product with cash value as well.

Yes, the premium for medical card depends on entry age, but COI deduction is according to each attained age.
For example, monthly premium for medical card might be 260 for age 25, and 270 for age 26 but the COI deduction is the same at age 26, no matter what your entry age is. The ending cash value will be different as well, and probably higher for age 26 with monthly premium 270.

A simple illustration below, with no investment return and expenses.

Scenario 1
Age 25 26 27 28
Premium 260 260 260 260
COI 100 105 110 115
cash value 160 315 465 610

Scenario 2
Age 25 26 27 28
Premium 0 270 270 270
COI 0 105 110 115
cash value 0 165 325 480



The only actual loss you will incur is the higher unallocated premium (~200% of annual premium) for the company expenses and agent's commission.

Furthermore, premium for medical card/basic sum assured/all other riders usually are flat for each 5 years age band.
i.e. age 31-35 or age 36-40 will pay the same premium. As long as your current age next birthday is not a multiple of 5, you probably ended up paying the same premium.

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It does not really matter.

I assuming you are talking about investment linked, but the same concept applicable to traditional product with cash value as well.

Yes, the premium for medical card depends on entry age, but COI deduction is according to each attained age.
For example, monthly premium for medical card might be 260 for age 25, and 270 for age 26 but the COI deduction is the same at age 26, no matter what your entry age is. The ending cash value will be different as well, and probably higher for age 26 with monthly premium 270.

A simple illustration below, with no investment return and expenses.

Scenario 1   
Age 25 26 27 28
Premium 260 260 260 260
COI 100 105 110 115
cash value 160 315 465 610
   
Scenario 2   
Age 25 26 27 28
Premium 0 270 270 270
COI 0 105 110 115
cash value 0 165 325 480
The only actual loss you will incur is the higher unallocated premium (~200% of annual premium) for the company expenses and agent's commission.

Furthermore, premium for medical card/basic sum assured/all other riders usually are flat for each 5 years age band.
i.e. age 31-35 or age 36-40 will pay the same premium. As long as your current age next birthday is not a multiple of 5, you probably ended up paying the same premium.
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i found out prudential coverage is more expensive than others with similar riders etc....why is it so?
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For example:

A sum assured of RM1,000,000 could be RM2,400 or RM3,600 which translate to a higher cash value.

However if you are talking about the Cost Of Insurance, then that's a different story for another time.

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For a kid couple of mths, the insurance i compare pru vs others, i can see the premium is higher. Say rm150 per mth premium, offer same 1 mil unlimited medical coverage, but pru has to pay coi. Also, the life insurance coverage is so much different...at least pru premium is about 20% higher....any idea?
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QUOTE(Neoh1979 @ Nov 27 2016, 01:43 AM)
For a kid couple of mths, the insurance i compare pru vs others, i can see the premium is higher. Say rm150 per mth premium, offer same 1 mil unlimited medical coverage, but pru has to pay coi. Also, the life insurance coverage is so much different...at least pru premium is about 20% higher....any idea?
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Is very hard to have conclusion unless u can share the illustration comparison...
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I'm planning to use my money from kwsp acc 1  for investment at prudential...

which type of high risk and medium fund can recommend ?
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What kind of returns are you expecting ?

If you want to buy the stocks directly then you'll do better in the stock market / unit trust.
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QUOTE(lyt25_1234 @ Dec 9 2016, 10:46 AM)
Why is there a service charge of RM5 every month for paying the premium with credit card?
Other Insurance companies don't have this.
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What credit card are you using? No such thing for CIMB/Maybank?
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QUOTE(roystevenung @ Dec 9 2016, 03:29 PM)
What credit card are you using? No such thing for CIMB/Maybank?
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There is a clause stated in the brochure for PRUlink One PDF.
Go check it out, it's at page 10.


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QUOTE(lyt25_1234 @ Dec 9 2016, 03:37 PM)
There is a clause stated in the brochure for PRUlink One PDF.
Go check it out, it's at page 10.
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We refer to it in the quotation as policy charge and I have check other insurer's quote. Some put it as policy fee, some refer to it as Admin Charge but yes they have it too.

For ILP the charges are RM72/year for Allianz (Other Charges), RM76.32 for AIA.

You may confirm this by getting a full sales illustration quotes from other insurer.

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For those with investment part in their insurance plan, when do they normally declare their dividends normally and how many %? Thanks
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For those with investment part in their insurance plan, when do they normally declare their dividends normally and how many %? Thanks
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Depends on the company practice, they will normally announce it at end of the year

% of the dividend will depend on the fund you've invested into base on your selection
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Hi, can any agent pm me for medical insurance with budget max 3k per annum? Thanks.
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i check with my agent say insurance charge of medical plan will be increase soon due to medical inflation & rising cost of healthcare in the country, and it is compulsory. the question is what if we dont mind stick with the current plan coverage and dont mind the coverage is not enough, we should have the right to maintain right? is not must force people compulsory to upgrade correct? this is not fair
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QUOTE(roberttiong @ Jan 19 2017, 04:07 PM)
i check with my agent say insurance charge of medical plan will be increase soon due to medical inflation & rising cost of healthcare in the country, and it is compulsory. the question is what if we dont mind stick with the current plan coverage and dont mind the coverage is not enough, we should have the right to maintain right? is not must force people compulsory to upgrade correct? this is not fair
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Hi Robert, the repricing exercise is across the board and not only affect Prudential customers.

Most of the major insurer are forced to increase the cost of insurance due to the medical inflation which seems to be on an upward trend and it not coming down. Even the Doctors are saying they have not increase their fee for the past 20 years.

Even the Appendicitis surgery these days costs ~ Rm10k which costs ~ Rm7k in 2010.

Your agent should already have the new repricing for you and from my list the most is Rm15/mth and the repricing will increase the lifetime limit (rm20k for some).

Well some of my clients whom is unable to upgrade their medical plan further due to medical condition actually welcomes the repricing as it increases their lifetime limit.

Do get in touch with your agent on the detail


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some insurance company policy cover quite a lot but policy amount cheap, the reason behind is that policy only can cover for the insurance charges and not mush cash value inside, so once the insurance charges increase, u still pay the same premium charge for the policy but the premium not enough to cover your insurance charges so it will deduct from cash value, if your cash value cannot cover policy amount then only agent will ask to upgrade, i know allianz is using this strategy, at least give ppl choice to choose which is not force ppl must upgrade.
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QUOTE(roberttiong @ Jan 20 2017, 12:19 PM)
some insurance company policy cover quite a lot but policy amount cheap, the reason behind is that policy only can cover for the insurance charges and not mush cash value inside, so once the insurance charges increase, u still pay the same premium charge for the policy but the premium not enough to cover your insurance charges so it will deduct from cash value, if your cash value cannot cover policy amount then only agent will ask to upgrade, i know allianz is using this strategy, at least give ppl choice to choose which is not force ppl must upgrade.
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It is essentially the same. The increase of the cost of insurance will ultimately affect the policy holder.

Mind if i ask, the cash values is whose money? Is it the insurer money or your money? It is also your money right?


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QUOTE(roberttiong @ Jan 20 2017, 12:19 PM)
some insurance company policy cover quite a lot but policy amount cheap, the reason behind is that policy only can cover for the insurance charges and not mush cash value inside, so once the insurance charges increase, u still pay the same premium charge for the policy but the premium not enough to cover your insurance charges so it will deduct from cash value, if your cash value cannot cover policy amount then only agent will ask to upgrade, i know allianz is using this strategy, at least give ppl choice to choose which is not force ppl must upgrade.
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There is no harm in paying a little more for your investment-linked policy.
Like what roy said, the cash value built up is your money anyway.
Increases in insurance charges will affect everyone across the board.
The cash value built up will then cover for the amount too. Either that or we'll all be forced to do a top-up.
We'll have to pay for it anyhow.

But what's fortunate is we only pay for the insurance premiums.

With that said, I also implore you to dig deeper together with your agent on the emphasis of your policy instead of going with a "paukaliao" package showing nothing but numbers of no significant relevance to you.

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Hi if a person with Hepatitis B carrier, does not declare in his health insurance form which he signed up 20 years ago... what should he do now ?

Should he go now to declare to the insurance company? Will this forfeit his previous coverage? will his policy be terminated? will be be refunded for termination of policy? or will the policy to modified to exclude hepatitis B related illness?

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Anyone here experience before or anyone here is Prudential agent?

I purchased an investment link insurance from a Prudential agent 5 years ago. Today, I received a SMS from an unknown person. She claimed that my previous agent already quit the service. She is taking over and I need to sign document that she will be my agent.
Is this what Prudential practice? Is she trying to cheat me?

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QUOTE(engyr @ Feb 7 2017, 09:38 PM)
Anyone here experience before or anyone here is Prudential agent?

I purchased an investment link insurance from a Prudential agent 5 years ago. Today, I received a SMS from an unknown person. She claimed that my previous agent already quit the service. She is taking over and I need to sign document that she will be my agent.
Is this what Prudential practice? Is she trying to cheat me?

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Its quite normal in the insurance industry for agents to come and go.

You may try to call the old agent to clarify whether he has quit the business.

If yes you may then transfer the case to the another agent of your choice (if you have one).

Do note that the new agent will not earn any commission, but more of a service especially during a claim.

If you have any questions just ask.
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QUOTE(Chrono-Trigger @ Jan 21 2017, 11:30 AM)
Hi if a person with Hepatitis B carrier, does not declare in his health insurance form which he signed up 20 years ago... what should he do now ?

Should he go now to declare to the insurance company? Will this forfeit his previous coverage? will his policy be terminated? will be be refunded for termination of policy? or will the policy to modified to exclude hepatitis B related illness?
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20 years ago the records are still kept? What is the current condition?

The terms will be dependent on the outcome of the blood test and Underwriting decision.
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QUOTE(roystevenung @ Feb 7 2017, 10:01 PM)
Its quite normal in the insurance industry for agents to come and go.

You may try to call the old agent to clarify whether he has quit the business.

If yes you may then transfer the case to the another agent of your choice (if you have one).

Do note that the new agent will not earn any commission, but more of a service especially during a claim.

If you have any questions just ask.
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Is it ok if I do not have specific service agent? Will it affect my policy?
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Is it ok if I do not have specific service agent? Will it affect my policy?
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Its entirely up to you to have an agent or not as it will not affect the policy.
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QUOTE(roystevenung @ Feb 7 2017, 10:01 PM)
Its quite normal in the insurance industry for agents to come and go.

You may try to call the old agent to clarify whether he has quit the business.

If yes you may then transfer the case to the another agent of your choice (if you have one).

Do note that the new agent will not earn any commission, but more of a service especially during a claim.

If you have any questions just ask.
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Wonder why insurance agent come and go?
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QUOTE(MNet @ Feb 19 2017, 02:02 PM)
Wonder why insurance agent come and go?
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QUOTE(roystevenung @ Feb 19 2017, 02:10 PM)
The same reason why some business open and close.
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I am currently on Pruhealth 400,should I upgrade it to PruValue Med?
1) What are the main thing to consider shud or shud not upgrade?
2) Pro & Cons of upgrade?
3) Does my NCB will still continue after upgrade to PruValueMed or it will start all over again?
4) Does the upgrade will involved increase in premium?Is it able to be done without paying extra premium?

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Hi,

I am currently on Pruhealth 400,should I upgrade it to PruValue Med?
1) What are the main thing to consider shud or shud not upgrade?
2) Pro & Cons of upgrade?
3) Does my NCB will still continue after upgrade to PruValueMed or it will start all over again?
4) Does the upgrade will involved increase in premium?Is it able to be done without paying extra premium?

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1. The PruHealth (PH) comes with an annual limit and lifetime limit of Rm150K/Rm1,560,000 while the PruValue Med (PVM) comes with MedValue Point (MVP) Rm1M to Rm2M and no lifetime limit. If the total cumulative bills exceeds the MVP, Prudential will still pay 80% of the bill.

PH comes with a co insurance plan min Rm300 or 10%, maximum Rm1k (inpatient) and 10% up to a maximum of Rm2k for outpatient.

PVM comes with the option of full claim, Rm300 deductibles.

* For PVM, for Cancer Treatment and Kidney Dialysis, it do cover Take Home Drugs, Long Term Medication and Consultation Charges" while PH does not as it is an older plan.

Plans aside, if you are not worried of getting ICU or cancer for a prolonged period of time then there is no need to upgrade as of yet.

* Ps. A 30 days ICU due to Stroke or coma due to a major accident can costs > Rm120k at a private hospital. If the bill is Rm250K then for PH, you are required to settle the Rm100K with the hospital

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Pros: Covers Take Home Drugs, Long Term Meds and Consultation Charges and will be able to take care of larger bills in one go.

For PVM plans with Rm300 Room, for every 2 years of no claim, the MVP will be increased by 2%, eg MVP Rm1m will be Rm1,020,000 after 2 years of no claim, irrespective of the medical condition.

Cons: Naturally PVM comes with a higher insurance charge as compared to PH as the sum at risk is only Rm150k, while PVM Rm1m

No NCB for PVM

3. No, the NCB will be dropped since PVM does not have this feature of the NCB.

4. Most likely it will, and how much higher will it cost will depend on the types of riders you have in the plan. If you only drop PH and get PVM, do expect the premium to increase 20%-30%.

That is why for some of my clients, i do advice them to drop some of the add ons benefits such as "Hospital Income" and concentrate on the bigger hospital bills.

You may ask your servicing agent to generate a quote for you as simulation for upgrade.

PruHealth 400 Annual limit Rm150k, lifetime limit Rm1,560,000

Having said the above, it is best to sit down and review with your servicing agent to understand what add on riders you have and whether it is necessary to have them.

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QUOTE(roystevenung @ Mar 13 2017, 09:22 AM)
1. The PruHealth (PH) comes with an annual limit and lifetime limit of Rm150K/Rm1,560,000 while the PruValue Med (PVM) comes with MedValue Point (MVP) Rm1M to Rm2M and no lifetime limit. If the total cumulative bills exceeds the MVP, Prudential will still pay 80% of the bill.

PH comes with a co insurance plan min Rm300 or 10%, maximum Rm1k (inpatient) and 10% up to a maximum of Rm2k for outpatient.

PVM comes with the option of full claim, Rm300 deductibles.

* For PVM, for Cancer Treatment and Kidney Dialysis, it do cover Take Home Drugs, Long Term Medication and Consultation Charges" while PH does not as it is an older plan.

Plans aside, if you are not worried of getting ICU or cancer for a prolonged period of time then there is no need to upgrade as of yet.

* Ps. A 30 days ICU due to Stroke or coma due to a major accident can costs > Rm120k at a private hospital. If the bill is Rm250K then for PH, you are required to settle the Rm100K with the hospital

2.
Pros: Covers Take Home Drugs, Long Term Meds and Consultation Charges and will be able to take care of larger bills in one go.

For PVM plans with Rm300 Room, for every 2 years of no claim, the MVP will be increased by 2%, eg MVP Rm1m will be Rm1,020,000 after 2 years of no claim, irrespective of the medical condition.

Cons: Naturally PVM comes with a higher insurance charge as compared to PH as the sum at risk is only Rm150k, while PVM Rm1m

No NCB for PVM

3. No, the NCB will be dropped since PVM does not have this feature of the NCB.

4. Most likely it will, and how much higher will it cost will depend on the types of riders you have in the plan. If you only drop PH and get PVM, do expect the premium to increase 20%-30%.

That is why for some of my clients, i do advice them to drop some of the add ons benefits such as "Hospital Income" and concentrate on the bigger hospital bills.

You may ask your servicing agent to generate a quote for you as simulation for upgrade.

PruHealth 400 Annual limit Rm150k, lifetime limit Rm1,560,000

Having said the above, it is best to sit down and review with your servicing agent to understand what add on riders you have and whether it is necessary to have them.
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Appreciate the info.

1) For PVM,after exceeding the MVP,Prudential still pay 80%,is there max cap for this 80% portion?
2) Is there any possibility/method to increase the PH AL from 150K to let's say 500K?

Thanks
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I would also like to ask regarding the Basic,Investment and Protection Account appear in the Annual Statement.

1) Currently,premium only goes into Basic and Protection account.Nothing into Investment,is this normal?
2) Can the policy holder request the specific allocation % into each account?
3) Incase there is extra cash value in Basic and Protection,can I request to transfer some cash value into Investment account?Any Pro or Cons by doing this?
4) The extra cash value stay in which account has any significant difference?
5) The insurance charges is 1 lumpsum figure,how can I know the breakdown for COI and rider cost?
6) My premium is paid monthly,and I would assume the unit is purchased on monthly basis based on dollar averaging concept.But statement only show lumpsum unit purchased yearly.Anyway to know the purchase price and unit bought in each month?If not,we just blindly assume everything in the statement is correct and have no way to counter check?

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Appreciate the info.

1) For PVM,after exceeding the MVP,Prudential still pay 80%,is there max cap for this 80% portion?
2) Is there any possibility/method to increase the PH AL from 150K to let's say 500K?

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1. No, there is no limit or max cap, no lifetime limit per se

2. No, as the maximum plan is only up to Rm250k for PruHealth plans (Room Rm600/day) which comes with a NCB of Rm700/year
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QUOTE(warren11 @ Mar 14 2017, 05:40 AM)
I would also like to ask regarding the Basic,Investment and Protection Account appear in the Annual Statement.

1) Currently,premium only goes into Basic and Protection account.Nothing into Investment,is this normal?
2) Can the policy holder request the specific allocation % into each account?
3) Incase there is extra cash value in Basic and Protection,can I request to transfer some cash value into Investment account?Any Pro or Cons by doing this?
4) The extra cash value stay in which account has any significant difference?
5) The insurance charges is 1 lumpsum figure,how can I know the breakdown for COI and rider cost?
6) My premium is paid monthly,and I would assume the unit is purchased on monthly basis based on dollar averaging concept.But statement only show lumpsum unit purchased yearly.Anyway to know the purchase price and unit bought in each month?If not,we just blindly assume everything in the statement is correct and have no way to counter check?

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1. Yes it is normal unless you add on PruSaver of which 95% of it will be going to purchase units which will be reflected in the Investment Unit Account ( IUA), 3% agent comm, 2% admin fee

2. No, it is fixed allocation and it also depends on the policy year. For example the 1st year allocation for BUA and PUA is 40% and will only be 100%'after 7 years. The allocation table is being illustrated in the Sales Quotation.

3. No unless you specifically put it to PruSaver.

4. If the policy is over 7 years then no as 100% of it will be used to buy you units and insurance charges is being charged by cancelling units.

5. I am afraid that it is only available during the Sales Quotation. It is a very good question.

However I dont see any system that is currently available on the agent panel that is able to view this info.

Perhaps you may email to Customer Service if you need this info to be included in the PruAccess Customer Portal.

PruAccess Online Customer Portal

6. Pls see answer 5.

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QUOTE(roystevenung @ Mar 14 2017, 07:59 AM)
1. Yes it is normal unless you add on PruSaver of which 95% of it will be going to purchase units which will be reflected in the Investment Unit Account ( IUA), 3% agent comm, 2% admin fee

2. No, it is fixed allocation and it also depends on the policy year. For example the 1st year allocation for BUA and PUA is 40% and will only be 100%'after 7 years. The allocation table is being illustrated in the Sales Quotation.

3. No unless you specifically put it to PruSaver.

4. If the policy is over 7 years then no as 100% of it will be used to buy you units and insurance charges is being charged by cancelling units.

5. I am afraid that it is only available during the Sales Quotation. It is a very good question.

However I dont see any system that is currently available on the agent panel that is able to view this info.

Perhaps you may email to Customer Service if you need this info to be included in the PruAccess Customer Portal.

PruAccess Online Customer Portal

6. Pls see answer 5.

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1) Meaning PruSaver charges are 5% from total amount that goes into IUA?And the 5% charges is forever as long as premium goes into IUA?

2) After 7years,100% into PUA and BUA.Can policy holder arrange the % allocation into PUA and BUA?

3) Does it mean there is not much point to activate PruSaver incase policy is already more than 7years?

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QUOTE(warren11 @ Mar 15 2017, 05:42 AM)
1) Meaning PruSaver charges are 5% from total amount that goes into IUA?And the 5% charges is forever as long as premium goes into IUA?

2) After 7years,100% into PUA and BUA.Can policy holder arrange the % allocation into PUA and BUA?

3) Does it mean there is not much point to activate PruSaver incase policy is already more than 7years?

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1. Yes

2. No, unless you increase or decrease the BUA or PUA protection.

3. Even if the BUA/PUA allocation is 100%, since there are riders in the BUA/PUA, units will still be cancel to pay for the insurance charges of these riders to provide you with the coverage.

PruSaver OTOH does not have any insurance cover (other than the 5%) therefore it goes directly to your cash value.

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QUOTE(roystevenung @ Mar 15 2017, 09:09 PM)
1. Yes

2. No, unless you increase or decrease the BUA or PUA protection.

3. Even if the BUA/PUA allocation is 100%, since there are riders in the BUA/PUA, units will still be cancel to pay for the insurance charges of these riders to provide you with the coverage.

PruSaver OTOH does not have any insurance cover (other than the 5%) therefore it goes directly to your cash value.

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1) In that case,after 7years,how Prudential determine how many % goes into BUA vs PUA?
2) Does extra cash value in PruSaver (IUA) is able to transfer to either BUA/PUA without admin charge?
3) Can policy holder ownself perform fund switching through online?
4) Any switching fee/admin fee involved?
5) How frequent can the fund switching be done?
6) Any term or conditions/extra cost/factor to take note before considering to switch fund?

Thanks

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Can I ask of the GST able to claim back when doing tax filling;
The Medical + GST or just the Medical exclude GST
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QUOTE(warren11 @ Mar 15 2017, 11:16 PM)
1) In that case,after 7years,how Prudential determine how many % goes into BUA vs PUA?
2) Does extra cash value in PruSaver (IUA) is able to transfer to either BUA/PUA freely?
3) Can policy holder ownself perform fund switching through online?
4) Any switching fee/admin fee involved?
5) How frequent can the fund switching be done?
6) Any term or conditions/extra cost/factor to take note before considering to switch fund?

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1. It depends on the riders amount in both BUA and PUA. If you buy more on BUA, then the % will be higher for BUA.

2. No it is not able to be transferred freely. However, assuming that at older age and that the insurance charges is now more than premium paid, the cash value accumulated in BUA+PUA+IUA can be utilized to help pay for the insurance charges hike.

Once the cash values has been exhausted, the policy holder is required to do top up or pay extra premium to sustain the policy.

This is why the cash values accumulated should not be withdrawn (especially if you don't have PruSaver) unnecessarily as at older age, the consequences can be brutal.

3. Not at this moment. Everything needs to be fill up with a form and signed for verification. Furthermore the online customer portal is relatively new - new features may be added from time to time, so stay tune.

4. There are 4 free switch in a year. Beyond that 4 free switch there is a Switching Fee of 1% of the total amount to be switch, maximum of Rm50.00 will be charged for each application. No carry forward of 'unused' switching.

5. See Q4

6. Extra cost: Switching fee (if more than 4 switch in a year),

T&C: The minimum amount that can be switched is RM 1,000.00 and it may be varied from time to time

Factor - depends on market condition/economic factor/timing and do study the fund portfolio to know whether you are going in at a high or low side.

QUOTE(darkmusses @ Mar 15 2017, 11:33 PM)
Can I ask of the GST able to claim back when doing tax filling;
The Medical + GST or just the Medical exclude GST
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Not trying to be rude, but are you able to claim back the GST from the mamak stall? Tabouli right?

For Tax filling, just refer to the Annual Statement (you may download this statement from the PruAccess Customer Online Portal --> << Click Here for PruAccess - Prudential Online Customer Portal >> )

Life insurance + EPF = RM6K, Education Savings+Medical = RM3K, Deferred Anuity = RM3K, (please refer to the LHDN website for a more accurate amount)
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AND medical premiums go up..........

My expat friend bought for whole family 2+1 Global Medical coverage for Rm24,000 per year covering up to USD1mil...excld USA

In Malaysia, you can't buy that.....premiums feed agents.

My friend bought on line.

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Currently my dad has a medical card that covers up to 70 years old. Any good plan to introduce since he will be 70 soon?
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QUOTE(fabigadervp @ Mar 22 2017, 05:46 PM)
Currently my dad has a medical card that covers up to 70 years old. Any good plan to introduce since he will be 70 soon?
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Better apply one fast because the last entry age for most medical card is 70 years old!

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Mar 21 2017, 11:31 AM)
AND medical premiums go up..........

My expat friend bought for whole family 2+1 Global Medical coverage for Rm24,000 per year covering up to USD1mil...excld USA

In Malaysia, you can't buy that.....premiums feed agents.

My friend bought on line.

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AIA has packages for expatriates as well that is not shown in our website.

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manulife seem better than other. Able to claim medical checkup fee.
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How much is the reimbursement?

QUOTE(fabigadervp @ Mar 22 2017, 05:46 PM)
Currently my dad has a medical card that covers up to 70 years old. Any good plan to introduce since he will be 70 soon?
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Yes there is. They cover up to 100 yr old subject to your father's health now
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AIA has packages for expatriates as well that is not shown in our website.
How much is the reimbursement?
Yes there is. They cover up to 100 yr old subject to your father's health now
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Out if curiosity, my friend has PruValue Med for RM1.5million linked with PruLink and he is paying around RM9k in yearly premium up to 80 years old.

RM9k per year seems a lot. What is the yearly premium if not tied to PruLink?
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QUOTE(brandonkl @ Apr 9 2017, 11:10 AM)
Out if curiosity, my friend has PruValue Med for RM1.5million linked with PruLink and he is paying around RM9k in yearly premium up to 80 years old.

RM9k per year seems a lot. What is the yearly premium if not tied to PruLink?
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Wow RM9k, how old is your friend?

Depends also how much life coverage he has. Also, PruValue Med is a medical rider hence it is attached to PruLink (I could be wrong)

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[quote=Holocene,Apr 9 2017, 11:38 AM]
Wow RM9k, how old is your friend?

I think he is around early to at most mid 40. I think it is so high maybe a bigger portion of his premium is channelled to PruLink.
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QUOTE(brandonkl @ Apr 9 2017, 11:10 AM)
Out if curiosity, my friend has PruValue Med for RM1.5million linked with PruLink and he is paying around RM9k in yearly premium up to 80 years old.

RM9k per year seems a lot. What is the yearly premium if not tied to PruLink?
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QUOTE(brandonkl @ Apr 9 2017, 10:44 PM)
Wow RM9k, how old is your friend?

I think he is around early to at most mid 40. I think it is so high maybe a bigger portion of his premium is channelled to PruLink.
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A premium contribution is based on the agent's quote.

Example the total cost could be RM500 per month but your friend paid extra RM400 as a form of savings thus it could arise the question that you say your friend is paying so much for it.

Never judge a policy just by the premium contribution alone

Rather you should inspect why the policy was bought in the first place.

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Hi All,

I have a old medical plan PRUlink Assurance Plan (PruMajor Med 5 RM 200 room), I think annual limit is only 75k).
Option given by my agent is either upgrade to PRUHealth and sign a new policy for PRU Value Med with deductible claim for my above policy (deductible 75k). Then may have 1 or 2 million annual limit.
Is this good enough or best combination?
I am looking to upgrade a plan with 1 or 2 millions annual limit & no lifetime limit since so many competitors offered that.

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QUOTE(thinkgoodpositive @ Apr 11 2017, 01:01 PM)
Hi All,

I have a old medical plan PRUlink Assurance Plan (PruMajor Med 5 RM 200 room), I think annual limit is only 75k).
Option given by my agent is either upgrade to PRUHealth and sign a new policy for PRU Value Med with deductible claim for my above policy (deductible 75k). Then may have 1 or 2 million annual limit.
Is this good enough or best combination?
I am looking to upgrade a plan with 1 or 2 millions annual limit & no lifetime limit since so many competitors offered that.

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You should upgrade the PMM5 200 to PVM instead of getting another policy with deductible to avoid paying for two policy charge.

It will also smooth the claim process and less paper work to deal with.
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You should upgrade the PMM5 200 to PVM instead of getting another policy with deductible to avoid paying for two policy charge.

It will also smooth the claim process and less paper work to deal with.
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Thanks Mr Roy for the response.

The reason he gave is the deductible-PVM will have muchx2 lower premium compare with normal PVM.
I check PRU website for example PVM w/o med saver, at 41 yo, for 1 mil/300 R&B/80 age, the annual premium is RM 5,122 VS deductible 75k is RM 770....almost 7 times difference. So even with the first policy, I still save on the total premium.
Correct me if I m wrong.

Another Q for deductible-PVM (let say 75k),
1) if in 1-5-2017, the bill is 100k, so PMM5 use the medical card for 75k, is the balance 25k I need to pay first then claim under deductible-PVM OR it will automatic claim in the hospital with PVM card and no need pay any cents?

2) if in 1-6-2017, another bill is 50k, PMM5 already use up earlier above limit. Can I direct use the deductible-PVM card in the hospital OR still need to pay and claim later?

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hi, im currently subscribing to Prudential BSN medical card with premium or rm160 per-month...im having this issue of non-consistent of premium deduction from my bank account.

Sometimes it deduct on 21st, then 25th, then 18th of certain month.
Can I set a date, of when they can deduct my premium per-month?

like 26th of every month?
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QUOTE(ahchat @ Apr 18 2017, 04:25 PM)
hi, im currently subscribing to Prudential BSN medical card with premium or rm160 per-month...im having this issue of non-consistent of premium deduction from my bank account.

Sometimes it deduct on 21st, then 25th, then 18th of certain month.
Can I set a date, of when they can deduct my premium per-month?

like 26th of every month?
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The debit card deduction system will try every week Friday and if it is not sucessful this week, it will retry the next Friday.

If you want to have a fixed date to pay the premium, then you may do online transfer and ignore the debit card transaction by not having any money in that account.

You may change the mode of payment to cash if you wish to do online transfer manually.
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QUOTE(roystevenung @ Apr 18 2017, 04:30 PM)
The debit card deduction system will try every week Friday and if it is not sucessful this week, it will retry the next Friday.

If you want to have a fixed date to pay the premium, then you may do online transfer and ignore the debit card transaction by not having any money in that account.

You may change the mode of payment to cash if you wish to do online transfer manually.
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I rarely keep more than 300 in my own account, since I usually transfer to another account for savings...

let say if my unpaid premium is rm320, but account only have 250, will prudential try to deduct rm320 all together or rm160 (my monthly premium) only?

and how do I change to cash mode?
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QUOTE(ahchat @ Apr 18 2017, 04:53 PM)
I rarely keep more than 300 in my own account, since I usually transfer to another account for savings...

let say if my unpaid premium is rm320, but account only have 250, will prudential try to deduct rm320 all together or rm160 (my monthly premium) only?

and how do I change to cash mode?
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The debit card will only be deducted for one mth even if you have an outstanding of Rm320.

Therefore if you missed one mth premium, you need to do online transfer manually to top up the premium up to date.

You can get the form from your servicing agent or download it from www.prubsn.com.my and submit the form at any Prudential branch.

There is a drop in box in all Prudential offices.
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QUOTE(roystevenung @ Apr 18 2017, 05:00 PM)
The debit card will only be deducted for one mth even if you have an outstanding of Rm320.

Therefore if you missed one mth premium, you need to do online transfer manually to top up the premium up to date.

You can get the form from your servicing agent or download it from www.prubsn.com.my and submit the form at any Prudential branch.

There is a drop in box in all Prudential offices.
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ive just signed in with prudential bsn touch website, can do online payment there too right?

saw the option to pay
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ive just signed in with prudential bsn touch website, can do online payment there too right?

saw the option to pay
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QUOTE(roystevenung @ Apr 18 2017, 05:05 PM)
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Hi All, I'm pretty noob about insurance so thought I'd ask here.

Basically, I'm looking to get life insurance (still debating between whole life vs term) primarily as risk management. If term, I'm looking at a tenure or ~20-30 years.

My insurance agent is trying to get me to buy ILP. I'm wondering if there is insurance w/o ILP and what the price different would be.

Coverage on death / TPD, I'm looking at around 1 Mil but can consider higher depending on premiums. Basically, I'm looking to find out how much plans would be with no surrender / cash value.
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QUOTE(brandonkl @ Apr 9 2017, 11:10 AM)
Out if curiosity, my friend has PruValue Med for RM1.5million linked with PruLink and he is paying around RM9k in yearly premium up to 80 years old.

RM9k per year seems a lot. What is the yearly premium if not tied to PruLink?
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You can check the yearly insurance charge for the PruValue Med from the Annual Statement.

The RM9000 annual premium is allocated into investment units based on certain percentage of allocation depending on the policy duration.

Every month, the company will sell some of these units to pay for the insurance charges and fees.
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QUOTE(sojurn @ Apr 19 2017, 09:26 AM)
Hi All, I'm pretty noob about insurance so thought I'd ask here.

Basically, I'm looking to get life insurance (still debating between whole life vs term) primarily as risk management. If term, I'm looking at a tenure or ~20-30 years.

My insurance agent is trying to get me to buy ILP. I'm wondering if there is insurance w/o ILP and what the price different would be.

Coverage on death / TPD, I'm looking at around 1 Mil but can consider higher depending on premiums. Basically, I'm looking to find out how much plans would be with no surrender / cash value.
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Term insurance should be cheaper for life cover of RM1mil compared to a whole life policy with cash value. Yes there are products in the market which are not ILP.
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QUOTE(sojurn @ Apr 19 2017, 09:26 AM)
Hi All, I'm pretty noob about insurance so thought I'd ask here.

Basically, I'm looking to get life insurance (still debating between whole life vs term) primarily as risk management. If term, I'm looking at a tenure or ~20-30 years.

My insurance agent is trying to get me to buy ILP. I'm wondering if there is insurance w/o ILP and what the price different would be.

Coverage on death / TPD, I'm looking at around 1 Mil but can consider higher depending on premiums. Basically, I'm looking to find out how much plans would be with no surrender / cash value.
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u can try prubsn warisan product...if u pay higher premium u can shorten the paying period while still enjoying the same coverage..eg: pay for 10 yrs but coverage for 30-40 years..higher cash value.

if cost is your concern term insurance is definitely cheaper..can set the tenure upto retirement age eg: 6o years....but no cash value lor..so there is pro & cons to each ILP & term

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Hi roystevenung,

My 1st medical card PMM with annual limit 50K, lifetime limit 150K was bought about 10+ years ago, i did an upgrade of the lifetime limit to 500k few years ago (I think I pays 10-20% more for the upgrade, I cannot remember...initially i pay rm170++, it increased to rm200 for the upgrade).

Recently, I received a notice from Prudential, the increase of the insurance charges of another 12% (need to pay about rm225 per month) and gets lifetime limit to 520k. (My family members are having the same plan - 4 policies, all of us need to pay extra of 10-12% each).

After some thoughts, i think the annual limit is more important than lifetime limit, it is better to maintain the currrent premium. If it is possible to revert the plan back to the initial plan (annual limit 50k, lifetime limit 150k) and keep the premium at the current price?

I have quite a few policies from other insurance companies and my insurance bills (inclusive family members' policies) cost about rm1500+ a month (almost 20k a year).

Thanks in advance.

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QUOTE(clickNsnap @ Apr 29 2017, 09:27 PM)
Hi roystevenung,

My 1st medical card PMM with annual limit 50K, lifetime limit 150K was bought about 10+ years ago, i did an upgrade of the lifetime limit to 500k few years ago (I think I pays 10-20% more for the upgrade, I cannot remember...initially i pay rm170++, it increased to rm200 for the upgrade).

Recently, I received a notice from Prudential, the increase of the insurance charges of another 12% (need to pay about rm225 per month) and gets lifetime limit to 520k. (My family members are having the same plan - 4 policies, all of us need to pay extra of 10-12% each).

After some thoughts, i think the annual limit is more important than lifetime limit, it is better to maintain the currrent premium. If it is possible to revert the plan back to the initial plan (annual limit 50k, lifetime limit 150k) and keep the premium at the current price?

I have quite a few policies from other insurance companies and my insurance bills (inclusive family members' policies) cost about rm1500+ a month (almost 20k a year).

Thanks in advance.
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Sorry but downgrading of the plan is not possible as the initial plan has been superseded with the RM500K lifetime limit plan.

Since you say you have policies from few other insurance company, you may want to sit down with your agent to do an overview review of all these policies.

If you there are areas that you can adjust for example lower down the life/critical illness you may also do so as to keep the premium manageable.
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QUOTE(roystevenung @ Apr 30 2017, 12:18 AM)
Sorry but downgrading of the plan is not possible as the initial plan has been superseded with the RM500K lifetime limit plan.

Since you say you have policies from few other insurance company, you may want to sit down with your agent to do an overview review of all these policies.

If you there are areas that you can adjust for example lower down the life/critical illness you may also do so as to keep the premium manageable.
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Thanks for your advise, roystevenug.

Most likely I will bear with the increase of premium this time and hopefully no more additional cost from Prudential in the next few years.

Btw, i noted my premium devided into two parts; health medical card and investment link, can i remove the investment link part, just need the policy for health medical protection? I don't mind has no return from this policy, will this lower the premium?

Thanks again.

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QUOTE(clickNsnap @ Apr 30 2017, 01:53 AM)
Thanks for your advise, roystevenug.

Most likely I will bear with the increase of premium this time and hopefully no more additional cost from Prudential in the next few years.

Btw, i noted my premium devided into two parts; health medical card and investment link, can i remove the investment link part, just need the policy for health medical protection? I don't mind has no return from this policy, will this lower the premium?

Thanks again.
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Yes, that is why I suggest that you do a review with your current agent of the benefits and see what you can reduce.

For your information, the Insurance charges (especially if the plan has a medical card) is not guaranteed and is subjected to increase if need be. This applies to all insurer, not only Prudential.
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Yes, that is why I suggest that you do a review with your current agent of the benefits and see what you can reduce.

For your information, the Insurance charges (especially if the plan has a medical card) is not guaranteed and is subjected to increase if need be. This applies to all insurer, not only Prudential.
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Noted and thanks, roystevenung.

Will check with current agent or drop by Prudential office and find out.
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hi sifu,

current aged 26; male.
my existing plan is pruhealth room board RM200 expired age is 70 aged.

i am thinking to upgrade to pruvalue med.. 1mil & cover up to 80 aged.
because thinking up to 70 aged looks under coverage.

but need to scarifies the NCB (RM300) yearly.

Kindly please advise, should i upgrade or remain?

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QUOTE(hoong2188 @ May 3 2017, 09:59 AM)
hi sifu,

current aged 26; male.
my existing plan is pruhealth room board RM200 expired age is 70 aged.

i am thinking to upgrade to pruvalue med.. 1mil  & cover up to 80 aged.
because thinking up to 70 aged looks under coverage.

but need to scarifies the NCB (RM300) yearly.

Kindly please advise, should i upgrade or remain?
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If you are worried of the "under coverage" the "up to age 70" should not be your main concern but rather the annual limit of the plan.

For PruHealth (PH) Rm200, the annual limit is Rm75k with a lifetime limit of Rm750k. The PruValue Med (PVM) gives Rm1m Med Value Point (MVP) with no lifetime limit (subject to your medical plan expiry age).

Whether or not to take up the upgrade is your choice but looking at the medical inflation, it is recommended for you to do so if your budget allows.

I had a client having chest pain and near blackout on second day of CNY, rushed to emergency ward and did an angiogram. One of her veins was having 40% block and the angiogram alone already costs Rm12k (which was about Rm2k in 2006).

The insertion of a permanently placed pacemaker can costs up to Rm100,000 at a private hospital and the annual limit will definitely be a concern.

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If you are worried of the "under coverage" the "up to age 70" should not be your main concern but rather the annual limit of the plan.

For PruHealth (PH) Rm200, the annual limit is Rm75k with a lifetime limit of Rm750k. The PruValue Med (PVM) gives Rm1m Med Value Point (MVP) with no lifetime limit (subject to your medical plan expiry age).

Whether or not to take up the upgrade is your choice but looking at the medical inflation, it is recommended for you to do so if your budget allows.

I had a client having chest pain and near blackout on second day of CNY, rushed to emergency ward and did an angiogram. One of her veins was having 40% block and the angiogram alone already costs Rm12k (which was about Rm2k in 2006).

The insertion of a permanently placed pacemaker can costs up to Rm100,000 at a private hospital and the annual limit will definitely be a concern.
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Wonder why not considering extending age limit as well? is PryValue Med able to be extended to age of 80 or 90?
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Wonder why not considering extending age limit as well? is PryValue Med able to be extended to age of 80 or 90?
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If the budget allows, of course. Everything comes at a cost.

PVM is able to be extended till age 70, 80, 90 & 100
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QUOTE(roystevenung @ May 3 2017, 12:39 PM)
If the budget allows, of course. Everything comes at a cost.

PVM is able to be extended till age 70, 80, 90 & 100
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Hi roystevenung,

I downloaded the table for PRUvalue Med from Prudential website, is there any other charges other than stated in the table?

Thanks in advance.


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QUOTE(hoong2188 @ May 3 2017, 09:59 AM)
hi sifu,

current aged 26; male.
my existing plan is pruhealth room board RM200 expired age is 70 aged.

i am thinking to upgrade to pruvalue med.. 1mil  & cover up to 80 aged.
because thinking up to 70 aged looks under coverage.

but need to scarifies the NCB (RM300) yearly.

Kindly please advise, should i upgrade or remain?
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at your age & current plan now . . . if you have the budget,
its great for an upgrade to PVM age 80 will be sufficient

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Hi roystevenung,

I downloaded the table for PRUvalue Med from Prudential website, is there any other charges other than stated in the table?

Thanks in advance.
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The premium rates acts as a general guideline as it is not guaranteed and subject to change. You will also need to look at other riders in the plan, for example life insurance and critical illness.

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The premium rates acts as a general guideline as it is not guaranteed and subject to change. You will also need to look at other riders in the plan, for example life insurance and critical illness.
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I thought the PRUvalue Med plan cover admission of hospital and 36 critical illness? We need to pay for additional charges for critical illness?

By the way, if I am looking for maximum medical card protection, minimum or zero on life insurance/invest return, what is the premium for male, non-smoker, office worker, entry age next birthday 46-50 , hospital daily room & board of 100 and 200?

Thanks again.

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QUOTE(clickNsnap @ May 4 2017, 11:08 PM)
I thought the PRUvalue Med plan cover admission of hospital and 36 critical illness? We need to pay for additional charges for critical illness?

By the way, if I am looking for maximum medical card protection, minimum or zero on life insurance/invest return, what is the premium for male, non-smoker, office worker, entry age next birthday 46-50 , hospital daily room & board of 100 and 200? 

Thanks again.
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The medical card do has its own Exclusions of what is covered and what is not covered. To get a better understanding it would be better to have the agent explain to you or you may read up the Exclusion page in the brochure.

Examples of what is not covered under the medical card, AIDS (even though it is payable for Full Blown AIDS & AIDS due to Blood Transfusion as mentioned in the 36 CI Definition). Reason being, there is no cure for AIDs.

Dental surgery including removal of wisdom tooth is not covered, unless it is necessitated by an accidental injury.

Male Non-Smoker, Age 46 Next BD
RM10K Life/TPD, RM1M PVM, RM100R/B, Expiry Age 70, with RM300 Med Saver, RM210/mth
RM10K Life/TPD, RM1M PVM, RM100R/B, Expiry Age 80, with RM300 Med Saver, RM285/mth
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The medical card do has its own Exclusions of what is covered and what is not covered. To get a better understanding it would be better to have the agent explain to you or you may read up the Exclusion page in the brochure.

Examples of what is not covered under the medical card, AIDS (even though it is payable for Full Blown AIDS & AIDS due to Blood Transfusion as mentioned in the 36 CI Definition). Reason being, there is no cure for AIDs.

Dental surgery including removal of wisdom tooth is not covered, unless it is necessitated by an accidental injury.

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If you are worried of the "under coverage" the "up to age 70" should not be your main concern but rather the annual limit of the plan.

For PruHealth (PH) Rm200, the annual limit is Rm75k with a lifetime limit of Rm750k. The PruValue Med (PVM) gives Rm1m Med Value Point (MVP) with no lifetime limit (subject to your medical plan expiry age).

Whether or not to take up the upgrade is your choice but looking at the medical inflation, it is recommended for you to do so if your budget allows.

I had a client having chest pain and near blackout on second day of CNY, rushed to emergency ward and did an angiogram. One of her veins was having 40% block and the angiogram alone already costs Rm12k (which was about Rm2k in 2006).

The insertion of a permanently placed pacemaker can costs up to Rm100,000 at a private hospital and the annual limit will definitely be a concern.
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umm Roy.. just been scrolling through.. prudential cover pacemaker meh? in my policy book and in any other policy books it stated that external or internal pacemakers are not covered.. or am i missing sumthin here?

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umm Roy.. just been scrolling through.. prudential cover  pacemaker meh?  in my policy book and in any other policy books it stated that external or internal pacemakers are not covered.. or am i missing sumthin here?
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If the budget allows, of course. Everything comes at a cost.

PVM is able to be extended till age 70, 80, 90 & 100
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Is there any issue to insure till 70 for now and extend to 80 or 90 later?
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Is there any issue to insure till 70 for now and extend to 80 or 90 later?
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The endorsement (changes to the policy) to extend the medical coverage from age 70 to age 80/90/100 is viewed as an added risk to the insurer as it prolonged the medical coverage term.

Therefore a medical underwriting is required during the application for upgrade.

For people with no health issue there is no issue to upgrade, but if our health changes, then upgrading or even getting a new policy may be an issue. For example if we had cysts removal a few times, the cyst or its complications may be excluded from the upgraded policy.

Prudential did offered Guaranteed upgrade (without the need to do Medical Underwriting) before for policies that has not been claimed, but that is only happen once in a blue moon blush.gif
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Hi, I have a prudential insurance and try to register at https://pruaccessplus.prudential.com.my/pap/login/login.do
. After I enter the policy number and ic, it does went through until the TAC code. Tried a few times but I never received the tac code. What should I do?

BTW, are surrender value and cash value the same thing?
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Hi, I have a prudential insurance and try to register at https://pruaccessplus.prudential.com.my/pap/login/login.do
. After I enter the policy number and ic, it does went through until the TAC code. Tried a few times but I never received the tac code. What should I do?

BTW, are surrender value and cash value the same thing?
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You may need to update yr hp no by filling up the change of contact details and pass the original signed form to Prudential office.

Yes surrender value is the same as cash value. It is the amount you may get back upon surrender of the policy

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You may need to update yr hp no by filling up the change of contact details and pass the original signed form to Prudential office.

Yes surrender value is the same as cash value. It is the amount you may get back upon surrender of the policy
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Wonder why not considering extending age limit as well? is PryValue Med able to be extended to age of 80 or 90?
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With medical advancement nowadays the life expectancy is improving year after year, at age 26 now, in another 44 years (almost half of a century) you will reach 70, by that time, maybe even Cancer can be cured.

Therefore, while still healthy now, I would go for a plan that covers up to age 100.

I have the original PMM100 covering up to age 70, and I bought another medical card elsewhere covering up to 100 years old rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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Can any one tell me pru deductible medical card now their benefit same as normal medical card or not? Except the deductible amount.
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Can any one tell me pru deductible medical card now their benefit same as normal medical card or not? Except the deductible amount.
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Yes it is a medical card that pays for medically necessary and with a high deductible that you can afford it helps to save on the insurance charges especially at older age.

The insurance charges at age > 75 can be as high as Rm10k per year without a high deductible.
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QUOTE(roystevenung @ May 11 2017, 07:21 PM)
Yes it is a medical card that pays for medically necessary and with a high deductible that you can afford it helps to save on the insurance charges especially at older age.

The insurance charges at age > 75 can be as high as Rm10k per year without a high deductible.
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Annual limit is 1 million too?
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Annual limit is 1 million too?
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Under investment link medical insurance plan, portion of the premium wil be allocated to investment namely, unit trust.

But i dont understand 1) what is the difference btwn Unit trust fund under Basic, and Investment tag. 2) if i pay more than the required premium, the extra $$ will goes to investment or medical insurance? Confused 🤔
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QUOTE(seanlam @ Jun 3 2017, 10:12 PM)
Under investment link medical insurance plan, portion of the premium wil be allocated to investment namely, unit trust.

But i dont understand 1) what is the difference btwn Unit trust fund under Basic, and Investment tag. 2) if i pay more than the required premium, the extra $$ will goes to investment or medical insurance? Confused 🤔
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Your medical or riders all have a COI for that year. So long the COI has been "paid" the rest will go to your investments, after deducting all the required fees, ie: management fee, agent comm and etc.

Basic should be your life/TPD. At least for Allianz it is.


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Someone tell me prudential medical card that need to pay 300 by ourselves that one not worth. Because if for outpatient treatment, eg kidney treatment. If every time go to wash the kidney, we need to pay 300. But kidney treatment need go to visit frequently, eg one week two times. That mean if every time pay 300 by ourselves, then buy medical card also not use. Can someone tell me is it true information?
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QUOTE(Keaiwawa @ Jun 4 2017, 10:00 AM)
Someone tell me prudential medical card that need to pay 300 by ourselves that one not worth. Because if for outpatient treatment, eg kidney treatment. If every time go to wash the kidney, we need to pay 300. But kidney treatment need go to visit frequently, eg one week two times. That mean if every time pay 300 by ourselves, then buy medical card also not use. Can someone tell me is it true information?
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hmm have to clarify with roy, but my agent told me the 300 deductable is not for every session.. its once for each month or something like that.. i'm not clear on that either
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QUOTE(seanlam @ Jun 3 2017, 10:12 PM)
Under investment link medical insurance plan, portion of the premium wil be allocated to investment namely, unit trust.

But i dont understand 1) what is the difference btwn Unit trust fund under Basic, and Investment tag. 2) if i pay more than the required premium, the extra $$ will goes to investment or medical insurance? Confused 🤔
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To put it simple.

You have RM100, and you bought an insurance

Out of RM100

60% goes to Cost of Insurance, Commission, Management Fee
40% goes to your investment in purchasing units within the Fund

However, you have an option to put into a "saver" account where this money will goes 97% to your investment.
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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jun 4 2017, 02:30 PM)
To put it simple.

You have RM100, and you bought an insurance

Out of RM100

60% goes to Cost of Insurance, Commission, Management Fee
40% goes to your investment in purchasing units within the Fund

However, you have an option to put into a "saver" account where this money will goes 97% to your investment.
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I got questions too. If we want to put some extra money to put in "saver" account, but first 6 years the extra money also go to pay commission or not?
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I got questions too. If we want to put some extra money to put in "saver" account, but first 6 years the extra money also go to pay commission or not?
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No it won't

Only about 3% goes to commission
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Only about 3% goes to commission
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U mean 'saver' account is in investment link? We need to clarify with agent to request it or if got extra money it will automatic go to saver account?
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U mean 'saver' account is in investment link? We need to clarify with agent to request it or if got extra money it will automatic go to saver account?
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QUOTE(Keaiwawa @ Jun 4 2017, 10:00 AM)
Someone tell me prudential medical card that need to pay 300 by ourselves that one not worth. Because if for outpatient treatment, eg kidney treatment. If every time go to wash the kidney, we need to pay 300. But kidney treatment need go to visit frequently, eg one week two times. That mean if every time pay 300 by ourselves, then buy medical card also not use. Can someone tell me is it true information?
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Which medical card are you referring to? If PruValue Med it works like this:-

Day 1 Kidney Dialysis, Need to Pay RM300
Day 43 Kidney Dialysis, RM0
Day 103 Kidney Dialysis, RM0
Day 193 Kidney Dialysis, RM0
Day 373 Kidney Dialysis, Need to Pay RM300 as the last treatment date is over the 90 days from the last treatment in day 193 (but it wont be needed as there is no gap of over 90 days for Kidney Dialysis)

QUOTE(arilrifter @ Jun 4 2017, 10:05 AM)
hmm have to clarify with roy, but my agent told me the 300 deductable is not for every session.. its once for each month or something like that.. i'm not clear on that either
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As per above.

For Outpatient Kidney Dialysis it is pay and claim, but for Cancer treatment it can be issued with GL if able to pre-plan (eg, next week only go for chemo)
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Which medical card are you referring to? If PruValue Med it works like this:-

Day 1 Kidney Dialysis, Need to Pay RM300
Day 43 Kidney Dialysis, RM0
Day 103 Kidney Dialysis, RM0
Day 193 Kidney Dialysis, RM0
Day 373 Kidney Dialysis, Need to Pay RM300 as the last treatment date is over the 90 days from the last treatment in day 193 (but it wont be needed as there is no gap of over 90 days for Kidney Dialysis)
As per above.
Same application for the older PruHealth Med plan?

Btw, does the PruValue Med & PruHealth Med (old plan) cover for hospitalisation primarily for investigatory purposes for any pre-diagnose illness?

Thanks Roy.
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QUOTE(roystevenung @ Jun 4 2017, 07:13 PM)
Which medical card are you referring to? If PruValue Med it works like this:-

Day 1 Kidney Dialysis, Need to Pay RM300
Day 43 Kidney Dialysis, RM0
Day 103 Kidney Dialysis, RM0
Day 193 Kidney Dialysis, RM0
Day 373 Kidney Dialysis, Need to Pay RM300 as the last treatment date is over the 90 days from the last treatment in day 193 (but it wont be needed as there is no gap of over 90 days for Kidney Dialysis)
As per above.

For Outpatient Kidney Dialysis it is pay and claim, but for Cancer treatment it can be issued with GL if able to pre-plan (eg, next week only go for chemo)
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No this is separate and need to request agent to put in
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Only prudential or any insurance company can request like that? I think many agents do not tell their customers about it because it will influence their commission.
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QUOTE(clickNsnap @ Jun 4 2017, 07:51 PM)
Same application for the older PruHealth Med plan?

Btw, does the PruValue Med & PruHealth Med (old plan) cover for hospitalisation primarily for investigatory purposes for any pre-diagnose illness?

Thanks Roy.
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No, for PruHealth the Outpatient, it is subject to a minimum co-insurance of 10% and up to a maximum of RM2,000.

Hospitalization for investigation purpose is not covered for all medical cards.

Example 1:-

Client had a chest pain, near blackout, shortness of breath - admitted to ICU. Angiogram later reveals that she has 40% block artery.

Dr gave some meds and consultation. No further treatment or ballooning.

Claim under Guarantee Letter as angiogram cannot be done at home and the condition is medically necessary.

Example 2:-


Client went for routine blood test and health screen -> not claimable unless the blood test shows something that needs to be medically treated.

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In simpler term, as long as the last treatment date (for the same illness) is not over the 90 days, you don't need to pay the RM300 (if you had opt for the Med Saver RM300).

If full claim, then you don't need to pay the RM300. However, having the RM300 Med Saver means that you are paying lesser premiums.

Example Plan with Med Saver may cost RM250/mth while a full claim plan will cost RM300/mth. That means you are saving RM600/year if you opt for Med Saver.

If 10 years no claim, that means a savings of RM6,000 and it is not always we get admitted. In fact, no one likes to be at the hospital.
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Only prudential or any insurance company can request like that? I think many agents do not tell their customers about it because it will influence their commission.
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For older medical cards, for Prudential, we normally encourage the agents to have a 10% slack.

Eg, if your premium is RM250/mth, RM25 slack is recommended.

However for newer medical cards like PruValue med, it is recommended to have at least 15% slack due to the higher insurance charge (due to higher coverage).

The purpose of the slack is to build up the cash value and it is not utilized for any insurance charges.

As you may already know, the insurance charges will increase as we grow older and the medical insurance charges is the highest of all the other riders.

I hope that you are being briefed that for PruValue Med, the insurance charges for the medical rider for (expiry age 80) can be as high as RM8.7K/annum at age 70?

When you are working, it is possible to save but when we are retired, to ask you for more money due to insufficient cash values would be very difficult, don't you agree?
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QUOTE(roystevenung @ Jun 4 2017, 11:13 PM)
No, for PruHealth the Outpatient, it is subject to a minimum co-insurance of 10% and up to a maximum of RM2,000.

Hospitalization for investigation purpose is not covered for all medical cards.

Example 1:-

Client had a chest pain, near blackout, shortness of breath - admitted to ICU. Angiogram later reveals that she has 40% block artery.

Dr gave some meds and consultation. No further treatment or ballooning.

Claim under Guarantee Letter as angiogram cannot be done at home and the condition is medically necessary.

Example 2:-


Client went for routine blood test and health screen -> not claimable unless the blood test shows something that needs to be medically treated.
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Is there any influence to my insurance policy if I am not managed to pay this month premium? I will pay both June and July premium next month. Is it okay for me to do so?
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Is there any influence to my insurance policy if I am not managed to pay this month premium? I will pay both June and July premium next month. Is it okay for me to do so?
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It will depend on whether the policy has accumulated sufficient cash value in order to maintain the policy. If it has, then there is no issue.

You may check the cash value by login to PruAccess, Customer Online Portal..


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Is there any influence to my insurance policy if I am not managed to pay this month premium? I will pay both June and July premium next month. Is it okay for me to do so?
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Assuming your policy is an ILP, so long the cash value is sufficient to service the COI you should be ok.

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jun 4 2017, 02:30 PM)
To put it simple.

You have RM100, and you bought an insurance

Out of RM100

60% goes to Cost of Insurance, Commission, Management Fee
40% goes to your investment in purchasing units within the Fund

However, you have an option to put into a "saver" account where this money will goes 97% to your investment.
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well this is my case, I opt for Prudential investment link insurance plan.

my monthly premium is RM265, but i choose to pay RM300... extra 35MYR.

I wonder where the extra monies goes, go to investment or medical protection or......?? rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif

One more thing i dont understand.... abt investment linked insurance. I mean when i look my investment statement, i noticed the investment account is divided into Basic unit as well Protection unit. Mind to explain a little bit the difference btwn them?
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QUOTE(seanlam @ Jun 13 2017, 05:12 PM)
well this is my case, I opt for Prudential investment link insurance plan.

my monthly premium is RM265, but i choose to pay RM300... extra 35MYR.

I wonder where the extra monies goes, go to investment or medical protection or......??  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif

One more thing i dont understand.... abt investment linked insurance. I mean when i look my investment statement, i noticed the investment account is divided into Basic unit as well Protection unit.  Mind to explain a little bit the difference btwn them?
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That will be incorrect, the RM300 or even RM265, will be proportionate into the following

First, the amount will be used to deduct the cost of insurance/commission/fund manager fees etc, say RM200, therefore the remaining RM65 or RM100 will be spent on buying units on investment.

This will go on until the last day of your policy. The only difference is the agent draw commission for the first 6 years.

I think what you mention about Basic and Protection unit is the cost of insurance for
Basic plan = Sum assured
Protection Unit = Unit Deducting Riders (Add-ons like medical card, 36CI etc)
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U mean 'saver' account is in investment link? We need to clarify with agent to request it or if got extra money it will automatic go to saver account?
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Its another rider.
the basic rider will still 60 and 40 allocation.
but the saver rider will only have less commission goes to agent.
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Can someone tell me if 40 years old female, 300 per month can buy 90 years old medical card, minimum life insurance and waive premium or not? I mean prudential insurance
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Can someone tell me if 40 years old female, 300 per month can buy 90 years old medical card, minimum life insurance and waive premium or not? I mean prudential insurance
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But the agent told me the balance too little. They are not encourage to do for customer to avoid next time the customer need to top up. Do u have any opinion?
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But the agent told me the balance too little. They are not encourage to do for customer to avoid next time the customer need to top up. Do u have any opinion?
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Yes the agent is right as the slack (un-utilized premium) is about RM5.++ only.

For PruValue Med, since the insurance charges is higher than the rest of the medical card, it would be recommended to have at least 15% slack (of the total premium).

However, even by doing that it could not guarantee whether you need to top up in later years as the higher insurance charges at older age (eg at age 70, the medical insurance charges can be as high as RM10,887/year) may deplete your cash values. You may see the projected insurance charges from our online brochure << HERE >> and compare to the projected cash value that you'll accumulate at age 70.

Secondly, as you may already know the funds performance is not guaranteed.

If you want to have minimum slack now (which is not wrong if you have a investment vehicle that can get better/higher returns) then be prepared to top up more in later years.

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Yes the agent is right as the slack (un-utilized premium) is about RM5.++ only.

For PruValue Med, since the insurance charges is higher than the rest of the medical card, it would be recommended to have at least 15% slack (of the total premium).

However, even by doing that it could not guarantee whether you need to top up in later years as the higher insurance charges at older age (eg at age 70, the medical insurance charges can be as high as RM10,887/year) may deplete your cash values. You may see the projected insurance charges from our online brochure << HERE >> and compare to the projected cash value that you'll accumulate at age 70.

Secondly, as you may already know the funds performance is not guaranteed.

If you want to have minimum slack now (which is not wrong if you have a investment vehicle that can get better/higher returns) then be prepared to top up more in later years.
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Yes, Roy, you are right, my PRU agent told me the same thing, allocate more slack, thus it can help to reduce top up the premium in the near future.

Just wondering other insurance companies also having the same 'slack' arrangement?

Btw, can a PRU ILP with old PRUhealth med card gets upgrade to PRUvalue med card, the rest of the protection remains and just pay the differences of the cost of PRUhealrh and PRUvalue? Or better to surrender the old policy and buy brand new ILP + PRUvalue med -- the investment fee and charges starts all over again? Or better to buy a deductable PRUvalue med card on top of the PRUhealth med card?

Just would like to find out any other alternative for my current PRU ILP + PRUhealth med, before I commit a new med card policy.

Thanks.

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Yes, Roy, you are right, my PRU agent told me the same thing, allocate more slack, thus it can help to reduce top up the premium in the near future.

Just wondering other insurance companies also having the same 'slack' arrangement?

Btw, can a PRU ILP with old PRUhealth med card gets upgrade to PRUvalue med card, the rest of the protection remains and just pay the differences of the cost of PRUhealrh and PRUvalue? Or better to surrender the old policy and buy brand new ILP + PRUvalue med -- the investment fee and charges starts all over again? Or better to buy a deductable PRUvalue med card on top of the PRUhealth med card?

Just would like to find out any other alternative for my current PRU ILP + PRUhealth med, before I commit a new med card policy.

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I am sure other insurer has the same arrangement to built up the cash values as the principle of how the insurance charges goes up as you grow older is the same.

The best scenario is to be able to upgrade the PruHealth directly to PruValue Med if no health complications existed during the upgrade. There is no waiting period for upgrade.

However, there may be cases that one may want to maintain the PruHealth and buy another Pruvalue med AND the health complication exist during the upgrade (eg, benign cyst, benign tumor, hypertension etc).

When we already have a pre exiting illness when we do the upgrade, a loading or exclusion may be imposed on the upgrade. This means that if your previous policy does not have any exclusion upgrading on the existing policy may impose a loading or exclusion.

That is why it is recommended to have a separate policy (with exclusion or loading) whilst maintaining the existing one.

That way if there are any claims that falls under the exclusion, it may still be claim under the old policy.

Buying a new plan to replace the existing one is not recommended as you start all over, even the waiting period.


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1. If you're okay to be staying at a RM 100/day room (6 bedded) or don't mind paying the difference in room rates, then RM 100 R/B is okay. We don't get admitted that often anyway.

2. I wouldn't term it as Pay Zero when admitted. Clients are normally required to put in a deposit, RM 300~500 (depending on hospital).

Do note that take home drugs, examination test & long term medications is not payable under the new policy contract.

3. If possible, top up the PA to RM200K as its cheap

Overall looks good.
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Roy,

Pruhealth exludes take home drugs, examination test & long-term medications (red highlighted), could you elaborate some more on this term?

Currently I'm holding a Pruhealth but I'm concerned about that the term above.
Is it mean that it excludes outpatient cancer treatment and outpatient kidney dialysis?
e.g. Kidney dialysis is a long term outpatient treatment which needs to do follow up treatments one in every fixed term of period.

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Hi, Prudential insurance experts,
If I would like to buy Pruhealth/Pruvalue Med policy, do I need to include PruMedic Overseas rider?

Below is the information that I have extracted from the Pruhealth/Pruvalue Med flyers:-

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Flyer P.7
8. How does PRUhealth pay for overseas medical treatment versus PRUmedic Overseas ?
If you receive medical treatment overseas under your PRUhealth plan, the benefits are paid
according to the costs of treatment that would be reasonably charged by a hospital in Malaysia.
No benefit is paid if you reside overseas for more than 90 days per trip.

However, the 90 days restriction on overseas residence will not be applicable to PRU medic overseas when attached to your PRU
health plan. Reimbursement of medical expenses shall also be based on the reasonable and customary charges of the country of treatment


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Flyer P.7
Note:
For Overseas Treatment, if the life assured chooses to have or is referred to be treated outside Malaysia, the
benefits for the treatment are limited to the Reasonable and Customary and Medically Necessary charges for
equivalent local treatment in Malaysia and subject to 90 days residence limit.



Is it mean that if I m a Pruhealth/Pruvalue Med holder, the policy is automatically covered for overseas treatments (any restriction to how many overseas treatment to be incurred per year?) without the need to purchase for PruMedic Overseas, but subject to the restriction of 90 days abroad and the benefit are paid according to the cost of treatment what would be reasonably charged by a hospital in Malaysia (i.e. actual cost of bills charged by the overseas specialist/hospital is ignored.)

Prudmedic Overseas Rider
Pruhealth
Pruvalue med-Enhanced

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anyone here using the Prudential PRUaccess portal? if very long did not login and now the account become "Account Inactive"...how do I activate it back?

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anyone here using the Prudential PRUaccess portal? if very long did not login and now the account become "Account Inactive"...how do I activate it back?

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Hi, Prudential insurance experts,
If I would like to buy Pruhealth/Pruvalue Med policy, do I need to include PruMedic Overseas rider?

Below is the information that I have extracted from the Pruhealth/Pruvalue Med flyers:-
Is it mean that if I m a Pruhealth/Pruvalue Med holder, the policy is  automatically  covered for overseas treatments (any restriction to how many overseas treatment to be incurred per year?) without the need to purchase for PruMedic Overseas, but subject to the restriction of 90 days abroad and the benefit are paid according to the cost of treatment what would be reasonably charged by a hospital in Malaysia (i.e. actual cost of bills charged by the overseas specialist/hospital is ignored.)

Prudmedic Overseas Rider
Pruhealth
Pruvalue med-Enhanced
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PruMedic Overseas (PMO) is an optional added rider therefore it is not mandatory to be included if you purchase PruHealth/PruValue med.

It is an added amount if you choose to get treated overseas as overseas treatment can be costlier, example treatment for cancer in Singapore.

Yes if you purchase PH/PVM, you may use it to get treated overseas subject to the 90days restriction. Bills will be on reimbursement basis subject to reasonably charged.

However with PMO, the bills will be reimbursed based on the Reasonable and Customary Charges of the
country of treatment and there will be no 90 days restriction.

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Roy,

Pruhealth exludes take home drugs, examination test & long-term medications (red highlighted), could you elaborate some more on this term?

Currently I'm holding a Pruhealth but I'm concerned about that the term above.
Is it mean that it excludes outpatient cancer treatment and outpatient kidney dialysis?
e.g. Kidney dialysis is a long term outpatient treatment which needs to do follow up treatments one in every fixed term of period.
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No it does not mean that it excludes outpatient cancer treatment and outpatient kidney dialysis. It excludes out the Take Home Drugs, Long Term Meds and Consultation Charges. So long these are in the bill, it will be excluded.

The chemo or surgery related to the cancer will still be covered subject to the annual/lifetime limit of the PruHealth. The same goes to the outpatient kidney dialysis.

You may contact your agent on the possibility of upgrading it to the PruValue Med which includes the Take Home Drugs, Long Term Meds and Consultation Charges.

On top of that, it provides with a minimum cover of RM1.5M for cancer treatment & kidney dialysis.
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No it does not mean that it excludes outpatient cancer treatment and outpatient kidney dialysis. It excludes out the Take Home Drugs, Long Term Meds and Consultation Charges. So long these are in the bill, it will be excluded.

The chemo or surgery related to the cancer will still be covered subject to the annual/lifetime limit of the PruHealth. The same goes to the outpatient kidney dialysis.

You may contact your agent on the possibility of upgrading it to the PruValue Med which includes the Take Home Drugs, Long Term Meds and Consultation Charges.

On top of that, it provides with a minimum cover of RM1.5M for cancer treatment & kidney dialysis.
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Regarding to the upgrading of Pruhealth to Pruvalue Med, how do Prudential define the pre-existing illness?
e.g. If I bought a Pruhealth in March 2011 and if I like to upgrade it to Pruvalue Med in July 2017, then if there is a hidden illness incurs between March 2011 to June 2017[B], would it be regarded as pre-existing illness or the pre-existing illness is defined as illness before March 2011(the time when we bought the Pruhealth)?

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Regarding to the upgrading of Pruhealth to Pruvalue Med, how do Prudential  define the pre-existing illness?
e.g. If I bought a Pruhealth in March 2011 and if I  like to upgrade it to Pruvalue Med in July 2017, then if there is a hidden illness incurs between March  2011 to June 2017[B], would it be regarded as pre-existing illness or the pre-existing illness is defined as illness before March 2011(the time when we bought the Pruhealth)?

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A Pre-Existing Illness is defined as any illness that had existed (and known to you) when you do any upgrade/revival of the policy.

The terms of the new policy or even the upgrade will depend on the severity of the said illness.

For example, I had just upgraded my existing client from PruHealth to PruValue Med. When he bought PruHealth he is healthy, never claimed before using his medical card.

However he is now having High Blood Pressure (HBP). However the HBP is fully control and an Medical Exam was perform. Reading 120/80 most of the time with control meds. Everything was declared in the upgrade form.

His result, no loading and no exclusion was imposed since the readings are good and he is constantly being monitored by a Doctor on his HBP.

If the Medical Exam reveals higher reading than normal, then most probably a loading on the PruValue Med will be imposed.
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1). If I buy PRUmy child + Pruvalue med, is it compulsory to take PRUparent payor basic rider?
Could I opt not to take PRUparent payor basic rider?

2). I notice that Pruvalue med doesn't include Emergency Treatment for Accidental Injury Benefit, but Pruhealth has this benefit. Pls confirm.

3). For Pruhealth, what are the differences between Emergency Treatment for Accidental Injury Benefit (in Pruhealth) and PRUacci med rider?

Thanks for replying.

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Prudential insurance expert,

1). If I buy PRUmy child + Pruvalue med, is it compulsory to take PRUparent payor basic rider?
Could I opt not to take PRUparent payor basic rider?

2). I notice that  Pruvalue med doesn't include Emergency Treatment for Accidental Injury Benefit, but  Pruhealth has this benefit. Pls confirm.

3). For Pruhealth, what are the differences between Emergency Treatment for Accidental Injury Benefit (in Pruhealth) and PRUacci med rider?

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1. No it is not compulsory to add in PruParent Payor, if you have sufficient Death/TPD/CI (or other source of income) to even pay for your child's insurance policy in the event of death/TPD/CI.

The question is if you are not around (touch wood) who is going to pay the premium for the child?

2. The Emergency Treatment for Accidental Injury comes default with the room selected (included in PVM), eg if RM200 R/B, it is RM2K/year Emergency Treatment for Accidental Injury. Ask for a full quote from the agent and you can see it in the quotation.

3. PruAcciMed also pays for the following due to accidental injury:-
- up to RM1.5K lifetime for traditional/complementary treatment
- overseas companion allowance
- up to RM1K for Prosthesis/ Wheelchair Allowance

Get the agent to generate a quote in detail.
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1. No it is not compulsory to add in PruParent Payor, if you have sufficient Death/TPD/CI (or other source of income) to even pay for your child's insurance policy in the event of death/TPD/CI.

The question is if you are not around (touch wood) who is going to pay the premium for the child?

2. The Emergency Treatment for Accidental Injury comes default with the room selected (included in PVM), eg if RM200 R/B, it is RM2K/year Emergency Treatment for Accidental Injury. Ask for a full quote from the agent and you can see it in the quotation.

3. PruAcciMed also pays for the following due to accidental injury:-
- up to RM1.5K lifetime for traditional/complementary treatment
- overseas companion allowance
- up to RM1K for Prosthesis/ Wheelchair Allowance

Get the agent to generate a quote in detail.
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For( 1), so if my child is 15 and 17 years , I can opt not to take Pruparent Payor.
For (2)-Emergency Treatment for Accidential Injury Benefit, does it cover all types of accidents, even if the treatments is not so urgent, e.g. bruise on the leg?


Another question:-
If I include PRUacci med rider in my PRUmy child + Pruvalue med, is it compulsory to add-on PRUacci guard in order to qualify to include PRUacci med in my policy.
Because I feel that Pruvalue med-[U]The Emergency Treatment for Accidential Injury Benefit[/U] is not sufficient to cover the accidental medical expenses.
I am not willing to add-on PRUacci guard, as I feel that other general insurance(stand alone policy) offer much cheaper and better benefit.

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QUOTE(firee818 @ Jul 3 2017, 09:00 AM)
For( 1), so if my child is 15 and 17 years , I can opt not to take Pruparent Payor.
For (2)-Emergency Treatment for Accidential Injury Benefit, does it cover all types of accidents, even if the treatments is not so urgent, e.g. bruise on the leg?
Another question:-
If I include PRUacci med rider in my PRUmy child + Pruvalue med, is it compulsory to add-on PRUacci guard in order to qualify to include PRUacci med in my policy.
Because I feel that Pruvalue med-[U]The Emergency Treatment for Accidential Injury  Benefit[/U] is not sufficient to cover the accidental medical expenses.
I am not willing to add-on PRUacci guard, as I feel that other general insurance(stand alone policy) offer much cheaper and better benefit.
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Honestly, whether to add more on a certain coverage or not is really dependent on you if you feel it's necessary based on your risk assessment.

If you feel that certain coverage to you is deem not necessary then you can choose not to include it. The agent can only advise but the decision will be up to you.

Insurance is just to transfer risk from the insured to the insurer (Insurance company).
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For( 1), so if my child is 15 and 17 years , I can opt not to take Pruparent Payor.
Yes you may exclude if you wish to. Its not mandatory

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For (2)-Emergency Treatment for Accidential Injury Benefit, does it cover all types of accidents, even if the treatments is not so urgent, e.g. bruise on the leg?
If it is accidental and you get treated at the clinics then it is covered, pay and claim.

The question is whether you have it treated at the clinic or not as it is minor injury..

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Another question:-
If I include PRUacci med rider in my PRUmy child + Pruvalue med, is it compulsory to add-on PRUacci guard in order to qualify to include PRUacci med in my policy.
Because I feel that Pruvalue med-[U]The Emergency Treatment for Accidential Injury  Benefit[/U] is not sufficient to cover the accidental medical expenses.
I am not willing to add-on PRUacci guard, as I feel that other general insurance(stand alone policy) offer much cheaper and better benefit.
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Yes to add PruAcci med a min of Rm20k of PruAcci Guard is required.

If the EAT is insufficient, most of the time the condition is more serious and needs to be examined by a specialist, that means the medical admission.
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I have an old investment-linked policy with PruBSN Takaful. I recently switched to another insurance provider, and during the switch, I did not pay my Prudential policy for a few months. Now that my new insurance's waiting period is over, I want to surrender the Prudential policy. I called the customer service (I have no agent as my Prudential agent already quit), and she said that I need to fill in 3 forms and come to the nearest branch. One of the form is authorization to use cash value. It turns out that I have not authorized Prudential to use my cash value if I did not pay the monthly premium.

My question: When surrendering, do I need to pay the outstanding premium for the months which I did not pay? If I sign the form to authorize deduction from cash value, I think they will deduct the outstanding from my cash value before giving it to me.
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I have an old investment-linked policy with PruBSN Takaful. I recently switched to another insurance provider, and during the switch, I did not pay my Prudential policy for a few months. Now that my new insurance's waiting period is over, I want to surrender the Prudential policy. I called the customer service (I have no agent as my Prudential agent already quit), and she said that I need to fill in 3 forms and come to the nearest branch. One of the form is authorization to use cash value. It turns out that I have not authorized Prudential to use my cash value if I did not pay the monthly premium.

My question: When surrendering, do I need to pay the outstanding premium for the months which I did not pay? If I sign the form to authorize deduction from cash value, I think they will deduct the outstanding from my cash value before giving it to me.
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if you don't plan to reinstate your previous policy then you don't need to pay for the outstanding premium and proceed to surrender the policy.

You don't have to sign any further authorization for them to deduct your account any further.


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If the EAT is insufficient, most of the time the condition is more serious and needs to be examined by a specialist, that means the medical admission.
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For red highlighted, do you mean that it is covered under Pruvalue med- inpatient or outpatient treatment benefit?

Thank you so much, you are really a very experience Prudential insurance expert.
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For red highlighted, do you mean that it is covered under Pruvalue med- inpatient or outpatient treatment benefit?

Thank you so much, you are really a very experience Prudential insurance expert.
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As mentioned earlier, if the accident condition is far more serious than local clinical Dr can handle, they will recommend you to go get it treated at a hospital by a specialist Dr and that means the usage of the medical card.

Whether there is admission or not it does not matter as the medical card can also be use to treat day surgery provided that it is a medically necessary.
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Hi Roy, I just would like to confirm with you regarding the Hospital Room and Board of Pruvalue med.
In a situation where the actual Room and Board charged per day is higher than the one that the Life Insured is entitled to, beside the Life Insured needs to pay the difference of the two rates, any other disadvantages that the Life Insured will need to bear. i.e Do the Life Insured still can claim 100% of the medical expenses incurred as other Life Insured who selected the higher Hospital Room and Board rates?

Thank you so much.

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Hi Roy, I just would like to confirm with the regarding the Hospital Room and Board of Pruvalue med.
In a situation where the actual Room and Board charged per day is higher than the one that the Life Insured is entitled to, beside the Life Insured needs to pay the difference of the two rates, any other disadvantages that the Life Insured will need to bear. i.e Do the Life Insured still can claim 100% of the medical expenses incurred as other Life Insured who selected the higher Hospital Room and Board rates?

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In the event you opt for a higher room Just pay the differences in the room rates, no other penalties.
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In the event you opt for a higher room Just pay the differences in the room rates, no other penalties.
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Just to seek your opinion for Hospital Room and Board, if there are two room rates, one is RM100, the other one is RM200, which one would be more beneficial to the Life Insured?
If I choose RM100, I can top up without financial difficulty if it is not enough. If I choose RM200, I will waste my money since, in normal fact, Life Insured is not often to be hospitalized. But RM200 Room and Board has RM2000 Emergency accident benefit, RM100 Room and Board has only RM1000 Emergency accident benefit.

Any other factors I have not considered besides the above-mentioned factors in choosing the amount of Room and Board?

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Just to seek your opinion for Hospital Room and Board, if there are two room rates, one is RM100, the other one is RM200, which one would be more beneficial to the Life Insured?
If I choose RM100, I can top up without financial difficulty if it is not enough. If I choose RM200, I will waste my money since, in normal fact, Life Insured is not often to be hospitalized. But RM200 Room and Board has RM2000 Emergency accident benefit, RM100 Room and Board has only RM1000 Emergency accident benefit.

Any other factors I have not considered besides the above-mentioned factors in choosing the amount of Room and Board?
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Personally I recommend the Rm100 (4-6 bedded) and if you require and are OK to pay the variance for a 2 bedded or better room. It is not always you get hospitalized and the bed is for resting or recuperating, not a hotel room!

Though some people just wants privacy (and/or worried of cross contamination from other patients) when getting admitted, therefore they opt for a double or single bed.
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My agent told me start from1 July, the value med medical card will automatic protect till 100 years old. Is it true? I want to confirm first because she gave me the quotation still is expired at 70 years old. She said system not changed yet. After changing, it will become 100 years old.
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My agent told me start from1 July, the value med medical card will automatic protect till 100 years old. Is it true? I want to confirm first because she gave me the quotation still is expired at 70 years old. She said system not changed yet. After changing, it will become 100 years old.
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Yes, it is a new initiative, only for PruValue Med and PruHealth. As long as the cash value is able to sustain the insurance charges until age 100.

For existing customers, it will be offered in stages, yet to be announced.
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Yes, it is a new initiative, only for PruValue Med and PruHealth. As long as the cash value is able to sustain the insurance charges until age 100.

For existing customers,  it will be offered in stages, yet to be announced.
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Extend to age 100, with no extra cost? Or deduct from cash value / unit trust fund? Kinfly confirm.

Thanks.

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Extend to age 100, with no extra cost? Or deduct from cash value / unit trust fund? Kinfly confirm.

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Extend to age 100 with no extra premium now and it will deduct from the cash value when the insurance charges is > the premium paid.

If there is no more cash value, then a top up or higher premium is required to be collected in order to sustain the policy.
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Extend to age 100 with no extra premium now and it will deduct from the cash value when the insurance charges is > the premium paid.

If there is no more cash value, then a top up or higher premium is required to be collected in order to sustain the policy.
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Thanks for clarifications.

Deduct from cash value = customer is paying himself/herself... I thought it is free upgrade at no cost smile.gif

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Thanks for clarifications.

Deduct from cash value = customer is paying himself/herself... I thought it is free upgrade at no cost smile.gif
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Sorry bro, but there is no such thing as free upgrade wink.gif

Whilst the insurer would want to give everything to the client, the hospitals/medical inflation keeps rising which impacts the claims highly. An angiogram that once costs RM2K in 2006 is now RM12K in 2017.

Rule of a thumb on insurance is there is no free lunch and everything comes at a cost, especially medical insurance.
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QUOTE(roystevenung @ Jul 5 2017, 11:25 PM)
Sorry bro, but there is no such thing as free upgrade wink.gif

Whilst the insurer would want to give everything to the client, the hospitals/medical inflation keeps rising which impacts the claims highly. An angiogram that once costs RM2K in 2006 is now RM12K in 2017.

Rule of a thumb on insurance is there is no free lunch and everything comes at a cost, especially medical insurance.
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So if my budget is 300 per month. My purpose is focus on medical card after 70 years old, mean till 90 years old. Now i should buy medical card coverage till 90 years old that cost me higher premium at this moment. Mean i pay 300 per month.

Or buy coverage till 70 years old with lower premium at this moment. Mean i pay 200 per month. Then plus saver account 100.

Which one is better? I still a bit worry about automatic to 100 years old that new policy. If i choose coverage till 70 years old medical card, afraid later cannot automatic to 100 years old. If i choose coverage till 90 years old that kind of premium, commission will give more to agent, is it? Because if choose saver account, the saver account agent got less commission. Is it? Can u clarify for me? Thank you.
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Thanks for clarifications.

Deduct from cash value = customer is paying himself/herself... I thought it is free upgrade at no cost smile.gif
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QUOTE(Keaiwawa @ Jul 6 2017, 10:13 PM)
So if my budget is 300 per month.  My purpose is focus on medical card after 70 years old, mean till 90 years old. Now i should buy medical card coverage till 90 years old that cost me higher premium at this moment.  Mean i pay 300 per month.

Or buy coverage till 70 years old with lower premium at this moment. Mean i pay 200 per month. Then plus saver account 100.

Which one is better? I still a bit worry about automatic to 100 years old that new policy. If i choose coverage till 70 years old medical card, afraid later cannot automatic to 100 years old. If i choose coverage till 90 years old that kind of premium, commission will give more to agent, is it? Because if choose saver account, the saver account agent got less commission. Is it? Can u clarify for me? Thank you.
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You need to know that, if you contribute lower amount now, the future cash value in the account might be lower or higher because there is not enough money given to the insurance company to help you to reinvest.

Therefore, if you contribute a higher amount, overtime, your cash value will grow bigger as well.

It's the same concept as FD, the lesser amount you put with the bank, the lesser amount of interest you get, simple as that.

In the concept of insurance, the policy will be able to sustain even longer if your cash value is higher than your cost of insurance and able to generate interest on top of the cost of insurance to cover it.
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QUOTE(Keaiwawa @ Jul 6 2017, 10:13 PM)
So if my budget is 300 per month.  My purpose is focus on medical card after 70 years old, mean till 90 years old. Now i should buy medical card coverage till 90 years old that cost me higher premium at this moment.  Mean i pay 300 per month.

Or buy coverage till 70 years old with lower premium at this moment. Mean i pay 200 per month. Then plus saver account 100.

Which one is better? I still a bit worry about automatic to 100 years old that new policy. If i choose coverage till 70 years old medical card, afraid later cannot automatic to 100 years old. If i choose coverage till 90 years old that kind of premium, commission will give more to agent, is it? Because if choose saver account, the saver account agent got less commission. Is it? Can u clarify for me? Thank you.
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QUOTE(roystevenung @ Jul 6 2017, 12:25 AM)
Sorry bro, but there is no such thing as free upgrade wink.gif

Whilst the insurer would want to give everything to the client, the hospitals/medical inflation keeps rising which impacts the claims highly. An angiogram that once costs RM2K in 2006 is now RM12K in 2017.

Rule of a thumb on insurance is there is no free lunch and everything comes at a cost, especially medical insurance.
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Okay, noted, at least, Prudential provide the option of extending the medical card coverage after the expiring date smile.gif

QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jul 6 2017, 11:28 PM)
biggrin.gif no free things la, unless money grow on a tree.
You need to know that, if you contribute lower amount now, the future cash value in the account might be lower or higher because there is not enough money given to the insurance company to help you to reinvest.

Therefore, if you contribute a higher amount, overtime, your cash value will grow bigger as well.

It's the same concept as FD, the lesser amount you put with the bank, the lesser amount of interest you get, simple as that.

In the concept of insurance, the policy will be able to sustain even longer if your cash value is higher than your cost of insurance and able to generate interest on top of the cost of insurance to cover it.
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Haha...I just wish our RINGGIT don't drop further...

Btw, those cash value or returns are not guarantee, it could be higher/lower... If I have extra money, I would like to manage/invest myself, instead of leave it to the insurance companies...just my own opinion smile.gif

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Yes, it is a new initiative, only for PruValue Med and PruHealth. As long as the cash value is able to sustain the insurance charges until age 100.

For existing customers,  it will be offered in stages, yet to be announced.
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Will the existing insured get a choice to choose or not?
How does it work actually? Let say, if the existing customers bought until 70 years, they will offer until 100 years with no extra cost. Obviously, it is good to take it. But, when the extra cost being added into the premium take place? When is the time to make the decision, is it at the age of 70 (expiry date) or the life insured need to make the decision now...

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Hi all, this isn't a question on what Prudential offers but more on the practice. Hope I didn't stray from the topic.

Last week I was approached by my company's insurance agent. She intro me this savings plan (Prulink) and say that she can draft out the plan for me to consider before starting. Towards the end only she told me that a deposit of rm300 will be taken from me before she drafts out the plan. After that she assures me that I will receive an sms to authorise the deposit.

Two days after I still didn't receive the sms and I told her through message that I'm not interested anymore. The next day she told me the transaction went through and asks to meet up. Is this normal?
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Hi all, this isn't a question on what Prudential offers but more on the practice. Hope I didn't stray from the topic.

Last week I was approached by my company's insurance agent. She intro me this savings plan (Prulink) and say that she can draft out the plan for me to consider before starting. Towards the end only she told me that a deposit of rm300 will be taken from me before she drafts out the plan. After that she assures me that I will receive an sms to authorise the deposit.

Two days after I still didn't receive the sms and I told her through message that I'm not interested anymore. The next day she told me the transaction went through and asks to meet up. Is this normal?
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No such thing as draft out a plan to consider and payment is required.

The sales quote is given for free aka no need any deposit or up front payment for drafting out a plan for you to consider.

Once you had confirm on which plan to go for, only then the case is allowed to be deducted for payment.

It is more of a sales tactic to get you sign up faster...

Anyway you may request her to withdraw the application if you dont agree with the plan or exercise your right to withdraw within 15 days (free look period) you receive the policy.
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No such thing as draft out a plan to consider and payment is required.

The sales quote is given for free aka no need any deposit or up front payment for drafting out a plan for you to consider.

Once you had confirm on which plan to go for, only then the case is allowed to be deducted for payment.

It is more of a sales tactic to get you sign up faster...

Anyway you may request her to withdraw the application if you dont agree with the plan or exercise your right to withdraw within 15 days (free look period) you receive the policy.
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QUOTE(missnpk93 @ Jul 8 2017, 09:53 AM)
Hi all, this isn't a question on what Prudential offers but more on the practice. Hope I didn't stray from the topic.

Last week I was approached by my company's insurance agent. She intro me this savings plan (Prulink) and say that she can draft out the plan for me to consider before starting. Towards the end only she told me that a deposit of rm300 will be taken from me before she drafts out the plan. After that she assures me that I will receive an sms to authorise the deposit.

Two days after I still didn't receive the sms and I told her through message that I'm not interested anymore. The next day she told me the transaction went through and asks to meet up. Is this normal?
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Wow... This is something new on such sales tactics. I don't think this is even authorised by LIAM practice.

You can file a complain against her to LIAM if you feel that this is a serious matter

Quotation can be obtain for Free from any insurance agent from any company. If you feel that this person is charging you to just get quote then you can always find another agent that might offer it for free

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No such thing as draft out a plan to consider and payment is required.

The sales quote is given for free aka no need any deposit or up front payment for drafting out a plan for you to consider.

Once you had confirm on which plan to go for, only then the case is allowed to be deducted for payment.

It is more of a sales tactic to get you sign up faster...

Anyway you may request her to withdraw the application if you dont agree with the plan or exercise your right to withdraw within 15 days (free look period) you receive the policy.
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Hi Roy,

Once I have decided to sign up the application, do I need to pay up front? Or wait till medical check up and the application is accepted...then only pay?

Thanks!

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Hi Roy,

Once I have decided to sign up the application, do I need to pay up front? Or wait till medical check up and the application is accepted...then only pay?

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Why is there a need for you to do medical checkup? Is there any health issue that warrants further investigation?

If yes, then you may send in the application form first and pay once Underwriting has confirmed the case to be accepted.

If there is no health issues and standard case then the case will be accepted within 5 working days.

Alternatively you may sign the credit/debit card form and inform the agent to only send in this form once the case is approve, but by doing so it may delay the case by 3-5 working days further pending the payment.

Do you know that once we had receive the payment (equivalent to the one month premium) and receipt is issued, even though the case is not approve yet, in the event of an accidental death, we will pay the sum insured?

This is why in our training, Prudential agents are trained to ask the nomination names during the proposal stage.

So its your choice, really.

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Why is there a need for you to do medical checkup? Is there any health issue that warrants further investigation?

If yes, then you may send in the application form first and pay once Underwriting has confirmed the case to be accepted.

If there is no health issues and standard case then the case will be accepted within 5 working days.

Alternatively you may sign the credit/debit card form and inform the agent to only send in this form once the case is approve, but by doing so it may delay the case by 3-5 working days further pending the payment.

Do you know that once we had receive the payment (equivalent to the one month premium) and receipt is issued, even though the case is not approve yet, in the event of an accidental death, we will pay the sum insured?

This is why in our training, Prudential agents are trained to ask the nomination names during the proposal stage
--- Good Info!...my agent (not from Prudential) never ask nomination names wo... sad.gif

So its your choice, really.
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Thanks again, Roy.

The last policy I bought was 5 years ago and I was told to do medical check up, no any specific illness, i thought I will be asked to do medical check up again this time smile.gif

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Hi Roy,

I have signed up Pruvalue Med up to 80 years old on 4 July 2017, and the application is still under processing.
Lately, Prudential introduces automatic medical coverage till 100 years. I thought it is better to take this opt than buying medical coverage till 80 years old.

How to change the period of medical coverage from 80 years old to 70 years old when the application is still under processing.

Thank you.

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Hi Roy,

I have signed up Pruvalue Med up to 80 years old on 4 July 2017, and the application is still under processing.
Lately, Prudential introduces automatic medical coverage till 100 years. I thought  it is better to take this opt than buying medical coverage till 80 years old.

How to change the period of medical coverage from 80 years old to 70 years old when the application is still under processing.

Thank you.
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Thanks again, Roy.

The last policy I bought was 5 years ago and I was told to do medical check up, no any specific illness, i thought I will be asked to do medical check up again this time smile.gif
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If there are no major change in health based on the last policy, the agent may ask underwriting to refer the previous case with the same terms.

Therefore the ME may not be needed for this round
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QUOTE(Nepo @ Jul 8 2017, 05:56 PM)
Hi Roy,

I have signed up Pruvalue Med up to 80 years old on 4 July 2017, and the application is still under processing.
Lately, Prudential introduces automatic medical coverage till 100 years. I thought  it is better to take this opt than buying medical coverage till 80 years old.

How to change the period of medical coverage from 80 years old to 70 years old when the application is still under processing.

Thank you.
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You need to inform your agent to do Alteration to the Proposal or NTU (not taken up) the case and resubmit under a new application.

Either way, you need your agent's help.
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Hi all, I am 32 this year and I had purchased PruFlexi Med 5 years ago. However, I also have a group medical insurance plan from my company which is very comprehensive. So far, I have zero claims and unlikely to make any claims in the future. Recently, I found out that Prudential also have another plan called PruHealth which offers no claims bonus (NCB) of up to RM500 yearly. This really suits me as I am unlikely to make any claims as I have a good medical insurance plan from my company and unlikely to leave the company in the future.

My questions are:
a.) Can I switch from PruFlexi Med to PruHealth?
b.) If can, any costs involved and any new terms and conditions?
c.) Actual calculation to derive the No Claims Bonus (NCB)

Hope to hear from you guys soon!


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QUOTE(-TcT- @ Jul 9 2017, 10:03 AM)
Hi all, I am 32 this year and I had purchased PruFlexi Med 5 years ago. However, I also have a group medical insurance plan from my company which is very comprehensive. So far, I have zero claims and unlikely to make any claims in the future. Recently, I found out that Prudential also have another plan called PruHealth which offers no claims bonus (NCB) of up to RM500 yearly. This really suits me as I am unlikely to make any claims as I have a good medical insurance plan from my company and unlikely to leave the company in the future.

My questions are:
a.) Can I switch from PruFlexi Med to PruHealth?
b.) If can, any costs involved and any new terms and conditions?
c.) Actual calculation to derive the No Claims Bonus (NCB)

Hope to hear from you guys soon!
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The latest plan is not PruHealth but PruValue Med. You may view the PruValue Med brochure << HERE >>

Anyway, the RM500/yr is offered for room RM400/day and is credited into your investment unit account if there is no claim for the policy year.

1.) Yes you may, but do note that PruHealth is based on co-insurance or deductible basis. If you have good company cover, you may opt for high deductible, say RM3K or RM10K. This will save you in terms of insurance charge but OTOH, you will need to standby RM3K or RM10K if the medical card needs to be utilized.

2.) It depends if you are doing an upgrade or downgrade. If Upgrade, then it will definitely cost more. How much more, you may ask your agent to provide you with a quote. For transfer of medical card, there is no waiting period. Any claims below 30 days, it will still be claimable under the old medical card.

3.) Please refer to the online PruHealth brochure (Page 6 of 13) << HERE >>

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The latest plan is not PruHealth but PruValue Med. You may view the PruValue Med brochure << HERE >>

Anyway, the RM500/yr is offered for room RM400/day and is credited into your investment unit account if there is no claim for the policy year.

1.) Yes you may, but do note that PruHealth is based on co-insurance or deductible basis. If you have good company cover, you may opt for high deductible, say RM3K or RM10K. This will save you in terms of insurance charge but OTOH, you will need to standby RM3K or RM10K if the medical card needs to be utilized.

2.) It depends if you are doing an upgrade or downgrade. If Upgrade, then it will definitely cost more. How much more, you may ask your agent to provide you with a quote. For transfer of medical card, there is no waiting period. Any claims below 30 days, it will still be claimable under the old medical card.

3.) Please refer to the online PruHealth brochure (Page 6 of 13) << HERE >>
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Thank you for your great info boss! Will look for you in case of any upgrade I need in the future.
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QUOTE(clickNsnap @ Jul 8 2017, 05:24 PM)
Thanks again, Roy.

The last policy I bought was 5 years ago and I was told to do medical check up, no any specific illness, i thought I will be asked to do medical check up again this time smile.gif
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Unless you have health problem then it's necessary to do certain check up as determined by the Company's underwriter.

Otherwise if you are normal and below age 60; your weight and height are fine then there is no need for any check up.
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QUOTE(-TcT- @ Jul 9 2017, 10:03 AM)
Hi all, I am 32 this year and I had purchased PruFlexi Med 5 years ago. However, I also have a group medical insurance plan from my company which is very comprehensive. So far, I have zero claims and unlikely to make any claims in the future. Recently, I found out that Prudential also have another plan called PruHealth which offers no claims bonus (NCB) of up to RM500 yearly. This really suits me as I am unlikely to make any claims as I have a good medical insurance plan from my company and unlikely to leave the company in the future.

My questions are:
a.) Can I switch from PruFlexi Med to PruHealth?
b.) If can, any costs involved and any new terms and conditions?
c.) Actual calculation to derive the No Claims Bonus (NCB)

Hope to hear from you guys soon!
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Pruhealth plan has limitation actually. It consists of yearly limit and lifetime limits.

is better to upgrade to Pruvalue med with 1 million unlimited lifetime.
PLus the plan have additional 50% top up specially for kidney dialysis and cancer treatment.

good to ask your agent to assist you..
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QUOTE(Jesse1889 @ Jul 10 2017, 06:01 PM)
Pruhealth plan has limitation actually. It consists of yearly limit and lifetime limits.

is better to upgrade to Pruvalue med with 1 million unlimited lifetime.
PLus the plan have additional 50% top up specially for kidney dialysis and cancer treatment.

good to ask your agent to assist you..
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I think the PRUvalue med's "unlimited lifetime" is subject to co-insurance of 20:80, if you bought the 1 million plan and the medical bill is 1.5 million, the med plan will bear first 1 million, customer need to bear 20% of the 500k...correct me, if I am wrong.

Btw, if there is a need of 1 million for health medication...it should be very serious case smile.gif

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medical bill 1.5 million,
Then 1million covered, 500,000 is split

Insurance company: 400,000
Insured person: 100,00
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medical bill 1.5 million,
Then 1million covered, 500,000 is split

Insurance company: 400,000
Insured person: 100,00
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medical bill 1.5 million,
Then 1million covered, 500,000 is split

Insurance company: 400,000
Insured person: 100,00
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Yup, this is right thumbsup.gif

But...best to have verify by Prudential agent/expert!

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I think the PRUvalue med's "unlimited lifetime" is subject to co-insurance of 20:80, if you bought the 1 million plan and the medical bill is 1.5 million, the med plan will bear first 1 million, customer need to bear 20% of the 500k...correct me, if I am wrong.

Btw, if there is a need of 1 million for health medication...it should be very serious case smile.gif
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Bro, bukan 20:80 la...

Pru value med co-ins is rm300.

If you opt for plan 1 which is 1million value point, prudential will add extra 50% value point which is total up until 1.5million specially for kidney dialysis and cancer treatment.

For the 20:80,
Let say if 1 million value point had use up, example if medical fee cost rm10k, policy holder just pay for rm 2000, prudential will bear all the cost of rm8000.

There is possibility medical fee could use up rm1 million, especially for long term treatment and medication eg kidney and cancer. These 2 illness are long term period treatment.

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QUOTE(Jesse1889 @ Jul 11 2017, 10:09 PM)
Bro, bukan 20:80 la...

Pru value med co-ins is rm300.

If you opt for plan 1 which is 1million value point, prudential will add extra 50% value point which is total up until 1.5million specially for kidney dialysis and cancer treatment.

For the 20:80,
Let say if 1 million value point had use up, example if medical fee cost rm10k, policy holder just pay for rm 2000, prudential will bear all the cost of rm8000.

There is possibility medical fee could use up rm1 million, especially for long term treatment and medication eg kidney and cancer. These 2 illness are long term period treatment.
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The 20:80 co-insurance I referring is med charges beyond 1 million (for PRUvalue med 1 million plan), not the PRUhealth med plan.

Prudential is having the "value point" system, once the points are utilised, the co-insurance will be applied. Personally, I think this value point system is not REAL 'unlimted life limit' package.

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QUOTE(clickNsnap @ Jul 11 2017, 11:22 PM)
The 20:80 co-insurance I referring is med charges beyond 1 million (for PRUvalue med 1 million plan), not the PRUhealth med plan.

Prudential is having the "value point" system, once the points are utilised, the co-insurance will be applied. Personally, I think this value point system is not REAL 'unlimted life limit' package.
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Kawan, bila pernah masa saya cakap PruHealth?
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QUOTE(clickNsnap @ Jul 11 2017, 11:22 PM)
The 20:80 co-insurance I referring is med charges beyond 1 million (for PRUvalue med 1 million plan), not the PRUhealth med plan.

Prudential is having the "value point" system, once the points are utilised, the co-insurance will be applied. Personally, I think this value point system is not REAL 'unlimted life limit' package.
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Even the plan has exceeded 1 million, the coinsurance still rm 300. The meaning 20:80 is means the split of the medical fee.... hence, the unlimited coverage
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Kawan, bila pernah masa saya  cakap PruHealth?
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Sorry...my mistake...I read RM300... and I unsure why it made me thought you were referring to PRUhealth med. Maybe I read some where PRUhealth med charge RM300 in my current PRUhealth med plan.

QUOTE(Jesse1889 @ Jul 12 2017, 01:01 AM)
Even the plan has exceeded 1 million, the coinsurance still rm 300. The meaning 20:80 is means the split of the medical fee.... hence, the unlimited coverage
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Personally, I don't think so... the co-insurance is not only RM300, the RM300 should be refer to Med Saver 300 (before 1 million point is utilised, you will bear with first RM300 for every time masuk hospital, if you masuk hospital kena charge RM301, you have to pay RM300, Prundential pay RM1). After exceed 1 million...the 20:80 co-insurance will applied. If the 20:80 split of medical fee not consider co-insurance? What should we call this 20% charges?

However, I will leave it to Prudential agent/expert to confirm how does PRUvalue med plan works, especially the 20:80 charges arrangement (should define as co-insurance or not co-insurance?)

For me, unlimited life coverage means no limit of claim for the life time = no co-insurance for the life time.

Btw, if really need 1 million for med fee...it is seroius illness, almost end of the life already lol.

This post has been edited by clickNsnap: Jul 12 2017, 01:15 AM

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