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post Jul 14 2011, 01:03 AM, updated 15y ago

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V11. Please continue your discussion here.


V1 : http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1642831
V2 : http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1663020
V3 : http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1693310
V4 : http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1728204
V5 : http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1755484
V6 : http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1778171
V7 : http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1797592
V8 : http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1822542
V9 : http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1847728
V10 : http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1894104

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How to differentiate AP and NIKON MALAYSIA warranty set.

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Credits to : KTCY    
                                                                                       
If you are a Nikon user, now you can register for a FREE *membership of the Nikon Club Malaysia by logging on to www.nikonclub.com.my (available from 11 April 2011) to enjoy the photo talks, seminars, workshops, photo trips, posting of images in the gallery, exhibitions, critics to save your shots, contests, products news, members feedbacks and comments, technical information and support, advice on repair service, and much more.

This club is open to all Nikon users including any collectors, photo enthusiasts, hobbyists, serious amateurs, and professionals. Members will have the opportunity to exchange ideas, share their passions of photography among the same users who understands and uses Nikon range of products extensively.

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Second hand lens/dslr buying guide.

Credits to : zrasang


Firstly, check the outlook for both Body and Lens, if you're happy with it, then proceed to the next stepsssss.  cool2.gif

For the Body:
1. check the Shutter Count, the lower the SC, the better it is, just like a car's milage. Google has a clearer explanation.
2. if the Body has motor and top LCD, make sure they both work well, it's sux if the motor doesn't work, it's sux if the top LCD can't light up.
3. test the Body with various memory cards, you don't want to have error while shooting, don't you? (sometimes it's the memory card that give trouble)
4. test Continuous shoot, will the shutter jam?  rclxub.gif
5. basically you'll have to test everything, every single functions and settings of the body, like ISO, pop-up flash, the condition of hot shoe, the buttons etc etc

As for the lens:
1. it's important that the rubber is still firm.
2. make sure it works on more than ONE Bodies.
3. play with aperture, the zoom if it has, play with it like a toy.
4. if the lens got dust and fungus inside, you can send it for cleaning.
5. if the contact points are dirty, gently use eraser to clean it.
6. if the lens is AF-S, make sure the motor inside is silent while auto focusing, no loud squeaky sound.

what else?  hmm.gif  hmm.gif

Remember, these are based on my personal experiences, correct me if I'm wrong  notworthy.gif


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Credits to : Kiki-Lala for providing this useful info.

How to differentiate counterfeits and original Nikon Battery Pack / AC Adaptor and Charger & Accessories

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Would like to ask on Nikon D5100 and a 18-105 lens for RM3.1k is it worth it ?
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QUOTE(joscmh90 @ Jul 14 2011, 01:54 AM)
Would like to ask on Nikon D5100 and a 18-105 lens for RM3.1k is it worth it ?
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nop.. better go straight d7000 if that price
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and D7000 can do a lot more better than what D5100 cant do.

only d5100 has articulating screen.
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QUOTE(joscmh90 @ Jul 14 2011, 01:54 AM)
Would like to ask on Nikon D5100 and a 18-105 lens for RM3.1k is it worth it ?
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Why not a 5100 with some other lens instead? hmm.gif
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Actli i don't know anything about it ; just asking on behalf on my parents.

How much is D7000 ? kit lenses ?
My father said he wanted a camera which can zooms ; easier to take photos if he go for any events ; can take from far.
He also expects a full package as in , SD , bag inclusive for the camera.

Any advices ?
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any places recommended to buy the cameras from ? Will be going down to KL next week.
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D7000 body it self is about RM2990, from what i heard from my friend who's into photography, with kit lens 18-105mm i think should be around RM3900?

But i got a quote of RM4200 which consist of D7000 + 18-105mm + 50mm f1.8d, with 8GB SD Card and Bag.
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QUOTE(joscmh90 @ Jul 14 2011, 02:12 AM)
Actli i don't know anything about it ; just asking on behalf on my parents.

How much is D7000 ? kit lenses ?
My father said he wanted a camera which can zooms ; easier to take photos if he go for any events ; can take from far.
He also expects a full package as in , SD , bag inclusive for the camera.

Any advices ?
and
any places recommended to buy the cameras from ? Will be going down to KL next week.
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QUOTE(kEazYc @ Jul 14 2011, 02:28 AM)
D7000 body it self is about RM2990, from what i heard from my friend who's into photography, with kit lens 18-105mm i think should be around RM3900?

But i got a quote of RM4200 which consist of D7000 + 18-105mm + 50mm f1.8d, with 8GB SD Card and Bag.
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That's bout the right price. But looking at joscmh90's requirement, I don't think the 50mm would be necessary.

@joscmh90 Usually nowadays the cameras come with SD the card and the bag. The lens is up to you which to take. With or without kit lens. Since you're asking for your dad, does he have any budget (or no specific budget?); also, I think a beginner camera would do for your dad hmm.gif
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Woah too bad im at office already... Anyone try this before??.
http://holographium.com/

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QUOTE(joscmh90 @ Jul 14 2011, 02:12 AM)
Actli i don't know anything about it ; just asking on behalf on my parents.

How much is D7000 ? kit lenses ?
My father said he wanted a camera which can zooms ; easier to take photos if he go for any events ; can take from far.
He also expects a full package as in , SD , bag inclusive for the camera.

Any advices ?
and
any places recommended to buy the cameras from ? Will be going down to KL next week.
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your dad in before is a DSLR kaki before?
since you did mentioned he want to "easier to take photos if he go for any events".... do he consider a EVIL camera? like panasonic GF-1/GF-2/GF-3 , sony NEX-C3 bla bla tongue.gif

i am not sure your dad is pixel peep or not haha... plus do he like midrange DSLR's buttons? like last time i handed my D70s to my dad he straight said " WTH so many buttons, i just wanted to take a photo casually".... if like that i rather choose D5100 for him since lighter body (but grip is small) and got guide mode....and got live view as well (if compare to D70s tongue.gif )

about zoom ar.... either use your dad's leg as zooom (ask your dad move to front tongue.gif ) or get a budget zoom lens like 70-300 non-VR (mind that require a god hand if you shoot in darker area without tripod).

anyway ask your dad , what he wanted to shoot in event. and what subject that need take from FAR? birds? someone bathing and forget close the window?

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QUOTE(Agito666 @ Jul 14 2011, 08:46 AM)
your dad in before is a DSLR kaki before?
since you did mentioned he want to "easier to take photos if he go for any events".... do he consider a EVIL camera? like panasonic GF-1/GF-2/GF-3 , sony NEX-C3 bla bla tongue.gif

i am not sure your dad is pixel peep or not haha... plus do he like midrange DSLR's buttons? like last time i handed my D70s to my dad he straight said " WTH so many buttons, i just wanted to take a photo casually".... if like that i rather choose D5100 for him since lighter body (but grip is small) and got guide mode....and got live view as well (if compare to D70s  tongue.gif )

about zoom ar.... either use your dad's leg as zooom (ask your dad move to front tongue.gif ) or get a budget zoom lens like 70-300 non-VR (mind that require a god hand if you shoot in darker area without tripod).

anyway ask your dad , what he wanted to shoot in event. and what subject that need take from FAR? birds? someone bathing and forget close the window?
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Nope , actli he's new with DSLR ; he meant by event is probably ; just any small (normal) events for example : prize giving awards to church camps events. He said would be troublesome if there's so many people and he is sitting at the back.

I told him ; should walk in-front but he insisted on zoom. So i guess , he really wanted the zoom thingy. haha

At first ; the budget set is below RM3000 ; but for the zoom lens he said that RM3.2-3.3 should be fine ( which is without the kit lenses ).

So i wonder if there's any better alternative , or is this worth it ?

Also , for the UV filter...any advice ? as in how to check whether good quality and so forth ?

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Nope , actli he's new with DSLR ; he meant by event is probably ; just any small (normal) events for example : prize giving awards to church camps events. He said would be troublesome if there's so many people and he is sitting at the back.

I told him ; should walk in-front but he insisted on zoom. So i guess , he really wanted the zoom thingy. haha

At first ; the budget set is below RM3000 ; but for the zoom lens he said that RM3.2-3.3 should be fine ( which is without the kit lenses ).

So i wonder if there's any better alternative , or is this worth it ?

Also , for the UV filter...any advice ? as in how to check whether good quality and so forth ?
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even if go zoom also useless if your dad is behind of the "human wall". unless he got something to stand up like stairs.
summore i heard this i rather thinking recommended him EVIL camera, google "panasonic GF-1, GF-2, GF-3 / Sony Nex-3 / Nex-5 / Nex-C3"
oh wait i duno that one got zoom(of zoom far enough) lens or not. sweat.gif

plus that one no require to use viewfinder, and have very light body tongue.gif
price i duno got over budget or not... laugh.gif

need pros to recommended haha.

here is the GF-2 (old) ads... ask your dad watch it. see your dad like this system or still wanted DSLR system brows.gif
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Edit: important question: DO HE HAVE FRIENDS THAT PLAY DSLR AS WELL? ALL NIKON? IF GOT I TAKE BACK MY WORDS. because he will have a great coach from his side and maybe can borrow lens from them, plus ya D7000k is a good body, D5100 is not bad but is a beginner spec, so when tuning some setting will be quite headache because dont have much "shortcuts" button on the body tongue.gif

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Woahh.. it's been a while since I am relaxing around in lowyat forum.
now digi man become the TS already. tongue.gif

any photo spam from yesterday Arsenal match? tongue.gif

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QUOTE(joscmh90 @ Jul 14 2011, 01:54 AM)
Would like to ask on Nikon D5100 and a 18-105 lens for RM3.1k is it worth it ?
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buy d7000 drool.gif drool.gif very gooding yo rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(Agito666 @ Jul 14 2011, 08:46 AM)
your dad in before is a DSLR kaki before?
since you did mentioned he want to "easier to take photos if he go for any events".... do he consider a EVIL camera? like panasonic GF-1/GF-2/GF-3 , sony NEX-C3 bla bla tongue.gif

i am not sure your dad is pixel peep or not haha... plus do he like midrange DSLR's buttons? like last time i handed my D70s to my dad he straight said " WTH so many buttons, i just wanted to take a photo casually".... if like that i rather choose D5100 for him since lighter body (but grip is small) and got guide mode....and got live view as well (if compare to D70s  tongue.gif )

about zoom ar.... either use your dad's leg as zooom (ask your dad move to front tongue.gif ) or get a budget zoom lens like 70-300 non-VR (mind that require a god hand if you shoot in darker area without tripod).

anyway ask your dad , what he wanted to shoot in event. and what subject that need take from FAR? birds? someone bathing and forget close the window?
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True, it's important to evaluate what the person wants; For simple and casual use, better to go for high end point and shoot or mirrorless; If they get DSLR, and then prefer to use LIVE VIEW, they'll find the performance dissappointing and not what they expected, handling also different, bulky, lazy to carry around everytime, need to think about cleaning sensor, lens, this and that.

Maybe they should go to a shop and test/try out those high end compacts (with superzoom if they like zoom), or even better, mirrorless.... Check out the GF2, the performance is so good, touch focus and blaaaazing fast focus and snap even indoor shots, plus it comes with tons of features that were not available in DSLR, they can adjust background or foreground blur, etc. And yes, there're also telephoto lenses available. This one is compact and good for on-the-go casual shooting, easy and fun to use.
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yay. im a new owner of d7000 now tongue.gif

just wondering, when using video mode, how long the battery could usually stand?

anyone knows?
Thanks!
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QUOTE(aldosoesilo @ Jul 14 2011, 12:12 PM)
Woahh.. it's been a while since I am relaxing around in lowyat forum.
now digi man become the TS already. tongue.gif

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laugh.gif everybody busy so i might just make it.
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QUOTE(den @ Jul 14 2011, 12:37 PM)
yay. im a new owner of d7000 now tongue.gif

just wondering, when using video mode, how long the battery could usually stand?

anyone knows?
Thanks!
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Please do discover it by using your newly bought item and share the result with us tongue.gif
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QUOTE(den @ Jul 14 2011, 12:37 PM)
yay. im a new owner of d7000 now tongue.gif

just wondering, when using video mode, how long the battery could usually stand?

anyone knows?
Thanks!
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i tried shoot 20 min street forward..and can still bertahan..
usually, like me lah, 1 battery enough to shoot movie with 2 X 4GB memory brows.gif
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QUOTE(joscmh90 @ Jul 14 2011, 10:02 AM)
Nope , actli he's new with DSLR ; he meant by event is probably ; just any small (normal) events for example : prize giving awards to church camps events. He said would be troublesome if there's so many people and he is sitting at the back.

I told him ; should walk in-front but he insisted on zoom. So i guess , he really wanted the zoom thingy. haha

At first ; the budget set is below RM3000 ; but for the zoom lens he said that RM3.2-3.3 should be fine ( which is without the kit lenses ).

So i wonder if there's any better alternative , or is this worth it ?

Also , for the UV filter...any advice ? as in how to check whether good quality and so forth ?
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Is he asking for a DSLR? If not then maybe you could recommend high end compact camera to your father. The likes of Canon G12, Nikon P700, and EVIL cameras such as Panasonic GF2, perform very well too. smile.gif

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QUOTE(vearn27 @ Jul 14 2011, 12:45 PM)
Please do discover it by using your newly bought item and share the result with us tongue.gif
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will do tongue.gif

QUOTE(iXora.ix @ Jul 14 2011, 01:57 PM)
i tried shoot 20 min street forward..and can still bertahan..
usually, like me lah, 1 battery enough to shoot movie with 2 X 4GB memory brows.gif
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sounds good. u shoot in 1020p?
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Sifu(s), I'm goin up to KL buy 35mm F/1.8G lens from J one Camera tomorrow. I called the guy he say rm765, should be ok right the price? anything i should look into before buying?
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QUOTE(kEazYc @ Jul 14 2011, 02:28 AM)
D7000 body it self is about RM2990, from what i heard from my friend who's into photography, with kit lens 18-105mm i think should be around RM3900?

But i got a quote of RM4200 which consist of D7000 + 18-105mm + 50mm f1.8d, with 8GB SD Card and Bag.
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2 weeks ago Foto Selangor quote same price with same goodies as u've mentioned + tripod.
I recall somebody here told that one shop at Kotaraya can give better price than that.
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currently wat's d best price new 16-35 & 70-200 VR2 ar...?
plan to buy a zoom lens later...

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QUOTE(den @ Jul 14 2011, 04:43 PM)
will do  tongue.gif
sounds good.  u shoot in 1020p?
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1020? blink.gif
1080 kn?
yep..but usually i changed to 720 since got options to 30 fps rclxms.gif
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hey guys.
seems like the d7000 is a good buy now? currently using a Canon 450D looking for an upgrade. is it a worthy upgrade?

Thanks
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QUOTE(yanhui95 @ Jul 14 2011, 08:15 PM)
hey guys.
seems like the d7000 is a good buy now? currently using a Canon 450D looking for an upgrade. is it a worthy upgrade?

Thanks
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if you dont have any lens that same brand,eg lens,speedlite.
walahh, you can jump in..or if you got something item that same brand, just consider choosing eos 60d or 7d

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QUOTE(iXora.ix @ Jul 14 2011, 08:28 PM)
if you dont have any lens that same brand,eg lens,speedlite.
walahh, you can jump in..or if you got something item that same brand, just consider choosing eos 60d or 7d
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450D --> D7000 is definitely an upgrade. More robust body, and also more advance sensor.
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QUOTE(yanhui95 @ Jul 14 2011, 08:15 PM)
hey guys.
seems like the d7000 is a good buy now? currently using a Canon 450D looking for an upgrade. is it a worthy upgrade?

Thanks
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its a super upgrade to me. tongue.gif
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Today i tried the Sigma 50mm 1.4 EX HSM on my d7000...

everything looks great on the view finder... I dont know if its too soft or not but it couldnt focus on live view which was pretty dissapointing for a rm3k lens =.="

tomorrow ill try to call sigma malaysia and ask if this issue could be fix by doing the lens calibration
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The greenish cast cause by the fence though unsure.gif
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about the back n front focussing issues on the sigma, would it be ok if i just use manual focus just like the carl zeiss...

speaking of carl zeiss anywhere in Malaysia I could test them?
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QUOTE(Calvin Pixels @ Jul 14 2011, 05:46 PM)
Sifu(s), I'm goin up to KL buy 35mm F/1.8G lens from J one Camera tomorrow. I called the guy he say rm765, should be ok right the price? anything i should look into before buying?
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Do some simple focus test, make sure no front or back focus issue; Shoot wide open and at close distance, hold camera very steady or put on table. You can shoot battery, the box cover (put like 45 degrees and shoot the word in the middle), etc. You can google focus chart for more accurate test if you want to go the the extreme, or you can google to understand more on how these test were done.

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QUOTE(Calvin Seak @ Jul 14 2011, 09:46 PM)
Today i tried the Sigma 50mm 1.4 EX HSM on my d7000...

everything looks great on the view finder... I dont know if its too soft or not but it couldnt focus on live view which was pretty dissapointing for a rm3k lens =.="

tomorrow ill try to call sigma malaysia and ask if this issue could be fix by doing the lens calibration
You sure it's a 3K lens?

Anyway, why do you need the Sigma? Do you require f/1.4?

You would be very happy with the Nikon 50mm f/1.8G for much less.

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The greenish cast cause by the fence though unsure.gif
I'm not so worried about the green cast but more so on the weird background bokeh.

What filter are you using?

QUOTE(Calvin Seak @ Jul 14 2011, 10:04 PM)
about the back n front focussing issues on the sigma, would it be ok if i just use manual focus just like the carl zeiss...

speaking of carl zeiss anywhere in Malaysia I could test them?
Test a CZ lens? notworthy.gif I thought Shriro was carrying them.


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I'm not so worried about the green cast but more so on the weird background bokeh.

What filter are you using?
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jul 14 2011, 10:23 PM)
You sure it's a 3K lens?

Anyway, why do you need the Sigma? Do you require f/1.4?

You would be very happy with the Nikon 50mm f/1.8G for much less.
I'm not so worried about the green cast but more so on the weird background bokeh.

What filter are you using?
Test a CZ lens?  notworthy.gif I thought Shriro was carrying them.
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that was the retail price at rm2998 at the store opposite cannon in mid valley..

but ill be going hong kong this sunday so thats why im doing an extensive research on it...

in hong kong it only cost rm 1400..

Im still deciding... is the 1.4 and 1.8 difference alot?

or should i just get the nikon 50mm 1.4d since the d7000 has a built in motor
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QUOTE(Calvin Seak @ Jul 14 2011, 10:04 PM)
about the back n front focussing issues on the sigma, would it be ok if i just use manual focus just like the carl zeiss...

speaking of carl zeiss anywhere in Malaysia I could test them?
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Today i tried the Sigma 50mm 1.4 EX HSM on my d7000...

everything looks great on the view finder... I dont know if its too soft or not but it couldnt focus on live view which was pretty dissapointing for a rm3k lens =.="

tomorrow ill try to call sigma malaysia and ask if this issue could be fix by doing the lens calibration
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QUOTE(Calvin Seak @ Jul 14 2011, 10:59 PM)
that was the retail price at rm2998 at the store opposite cannon in mid valley..

but ill be going hong kong this sunday so thats why im doing an extensive research on it...

in hong kong it only cost rm 1400..

Im still deciding... is the 1.4 and 1.8 difference alot?

or should i just get the nikon 50mm 1.4d since the d7000 has a built in motor
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nikon 1.4d super soft~! not worth to pay extra. if u want extra and smooth bokeh ok. sigma better IMO. i dnt know about the new 1.8G one. good review on that even at wide open.

sori i dont have all the lens u mention but i got 50mm F1.4 nippon kogaku shoot at F2 biggrin.gif
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Do some simple focus test, make sure no front or back focus issue; Shoot wide open and at close distance, hold camera very steady or put on table. You can shoot battery, the box cover (put like 45 degrees and shoot the word in the middle), etc. You can google focus chart for more accurate test if you want to go the the extreme, or you can google to understand more on how these test were done.
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QUOTE(Calvin Seak @ Jul 14 2011, 10:59 PM)
that was the retail price at rm2998 at the store opposite cannon in mid valley..

but ill be going hong kong this sunday so thats why im doing an extensive research on it...

in hong kong it only cost rm 1400..
Yeah, should be about that price. Becareful about warranty since you would probably not get local support if you require calibration assistance.

But still the AF-S 50mm f/1.8G is half that price and you don't need to worry about anything. rclxms.gif

QUOTE(Calvin Seak @ Jul 14 2011, 10:59 PM)
Im still deciding... is the 1.4 and 1.8 difference alot?

or should i just get the nikon 50mm 1.4d since the d7000 has a built in motor
What are the reasons that are making you still decide that are really making you consider f/1.4? hmm.gif

From what I've read, the new 1.8G beats the 1.4D.

QUOTE(Isepunye @ Jul 14 2011, 11:50 PM)
my frens selling his 85mm F1.4 whistling.gif
Zeiss or Nikon?

QUOTE(Isepunye @ Jul 14 2011, 11:50 PM)
sori i dont have all the lens u mention but i got 50mm F1.4 nippon kogaku shoot at F2 biggrin.gif
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Sorry but it may be your style. I find the lens flare you put in PP a little annoying after a while. Two or three pics in a series is fine but putting it in almost all your pics is a little overdone.
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Sorry but it may be your style. I find the lens flare you put in PP a little annoying after a while. Two or three pics in a series is fine but putting it in almost all your pics is a little overdone.
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QUOTE(Calvin Seak @ Jul 14 2011, 10:59 PM)
that was the retail price at rm2998 at the store opposite cannon in mid valley..

but ill be going hong kong this sunday so thats why im doing an extensive research on it...

in hong kong it only cost rm 1400..

Im still deciding... is the 1.4 and 1.8 difference alot?

or should i just get the nikon 50mm 1.4d since the d7000 has a built in motor
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Go search around LYN or PhotoMalaysia, I don't think it's over RM2K for official Sigma Malaysia set.

What are the reason you want a 1.4? Do you really need the 1.4? Is the price difference worth to pay?

Check out the new 50mm f/1.8G, it's around RM650, way way WAY cheaper than the 1.4s around and performs very well (if not better), and it's sharp wide open. There're many amazing sample photos posted in PhotoMalaysia almost everyday.


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quite wash out, whole photo lesser colourful.  tongue.gif
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Comparing a 50mm f/1.8D and G, which is worth getting ? As in, G is AF-S while D isn't. Sifus please suggest if it's worth getting G over D (not much of bokeh fan here btw.)
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QUOTE(Calvin Seak @ Jul 14 2011, 10:04 PM)
about the back n front focussing issues on the sigma, would it be ok if i just use manual focus just like the carl zeiss...

speaking of carl zeiss anywhere in Malaysia I could test them?
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You can test mine, but its on a different mount tongue.gif

Hard 2 find Carl Zeiss for Nikon/Canon mount except if specially ordered.

I know one dude brought a D3x and bought a 35mm f1.4 Carl Zeiss MF lens from a shop before.
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QUOTE(chiahau @ Jul 15 2011, 01:40 PM)
You can test mine, but its on a different mount tongue.gif

Hard 2 find Carl Zeiss for Nikon/Canon mount except if specially ordered.

I know one dude brought a D3x and bought a 35mm f1.4 Carl Zeiss MF lens from a shop before.
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Hahaha thanks but i dont think i have the time because im leaving on sunday d... still thinking T_T

After calibration of lens and body is the nikon warranty void? that is what i am afraid off actually

QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jul 15 2011, 09:16 AM)
Yeah, should be about that price. Becareful about warranty since you would probably not get local support if you require calibration assistance.

But still the AF-S 50mm f/1.8G is half that price and you don't need to worry about anything.  rclxms.gif
What are the reasons that are making you still decide that are really making you consider f/1.4?  hmm.gif

From what I've read, the new 1.8G beats the 1.4D.
Zeiss or Nikon?
Sorry but it may be your style. I find the lens flare you put in PP a little annoying after a while. Two or three pics in a series is fine but putting it in almost all your pics is a little overdone.
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Just potrait lens, and a friend of mine is using the 1.4D and adviced me to take the the 1.4 instead of 1.8 if I can afford..

because after buying a 50mm I dont think of buying any more 50mm in the future.. so i thought of buying something that could last me a long time, previously i was thinking of nikon's 50mm 1.4d/1.4g or the sigma's 50mm 1.4 hsm

since the 1.8G is cheaper and better than the 1.4d ill trust you on that wink.gif

and the reason why i was leaning towards the sigma is because its huge n bluky, i love it when i held it compareed to the nikon 1.4d which was small and it felt really weird for me

Ill be leaving to hong kong this sunday! cant wait! lol..

Btw on my manual of the SB-700 speed light it says that the SB-700 cannot be used with IX-Nikkor lenses.. (What does this actually mean)

http://www.nikonusa.com/pdf/manuals/Speedlights/SB-700.pdf Page A-5

QUOTE(Andy214 @ Jul 15 2011, 12:56 PM)
Go search around LYN or PhotoMalaysia, I don't think it's over RM2K for official Sigma Malaysia set.

What are the reason you want a 1.4? Do you really need the 1.4? Is the price difference worth to pay?

Check out the new 50mm f/1.8G, it's around RM650, way way WAY cheaper than the 1.4s around and performs very well (if not better), and it's sharp wide open. There're many amazing sample photos posted in PhotoMalaysia almost everyday.
No problem bro, good luck on your purchase and enjoy!
I think he mentioned before that he prefer to expose for the skin tones, and he doesn't really bother about others.
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Thank you for the recommendation! haha Im starting to think about the 1.8 now.. Price difference im not really sure but if it really does give better pictures im alright with it ...

there are people in other forums also mentioning that d7000 has their own motor, so the G series of the newer lenses is not worth the price and told everyone to use the D instead

Thank you all for your kind time helping me out wink.gif ofcourse buying so much of equipments would not make me a better photographer..

oh btw i bought this book from times at pavilion its called magic lantern d7000 multimedia workshop.. not really useful thou since most of the information can be actually obtained on the internet wink.gif so don't get that hehe


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QUOTE(Calvin Seak @ Jul 15 2011, 03:11 PM)
Thank you for the recommendation! haha Im starting to think about the 1.8 now.. Price difference im not really sure but if it really does give better pictures im alright with it ...

there are people in other forums also mentioning that d7000 has their own motor, so the G series of the newer lenses is not worth the price and told everyone to use the D instead

Thank you all for your kind time helping me out wink.gif ofcourse buying so much of equipments would not make me a better photographer..

oh btw i bought this book from times at pavilion its called magic lantern d7000 multimedia workshop.. not really useful thou since most of the information can be actually obtained on the internet wink.gif so don't get that hehe
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Nikon 50mm 1.8g's bokeh is better than the d one..
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Hey thank you and the others for the reply.
i only have the basic lens kit with the canon, which i plan to do the same with the d7000, except maybe a wide angled lens.
BTW any recommended shops to get it from?

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i got mine at the 1st floor at digital mall for rm3.8k i think the girl who served me was poh young wink.gif

the price is cheaper here in msia for the d7k so what the heck i just picked it up so i could learn how to use the camera 1st before i went to hk instead of taking auto all the time if i were to purhcase it in hong kong
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Comparing a 50mm f/1.8D and G, which is worth getting ? As in, G is AF-S while D isn't. Sifus please suggest if it's worth getting G over D (not much of bokeh fan here btw.)
I think the issue is not because one has AF-S and the other not. It's because that the 1.8G (which happens to have AF-S) is a sharper lens wide open and better performance at other apertures compared to the 1.8D.

QUOTE(chiahau @ Jul 15 2011, 01:40 PM)
You can test mine, but its on a different mount tongue.gif

Hard 2 find Carl Zeiss for Nikon/Canon mount except if specially ordered.

I know one dude brought a D3x and bought a 35mm f1.4 Carl Zeiss MF lens from a shop before.
Even buying the D3X alone is difficult. But my guess is you can get the D3X with the Zeiss lens at Keat Camera.

Anyway, what I read was digiloyd got a sample of the ZF mount and wanted to do a head to head test with Nikon's 35mm f/1.4 but had to return the Zeiss due to some problems.

QUOTE(Calvin Seak @ Jul 15 2011, 03:11 PM)
since the 1.8G is cheaper and better than the 1.4d ill trust you on that wink.gif
Don't just trust me. Find out and read it for yourself.

QUOTE(Calvin Seak @ Jul 15 2011, 03:11 PM)
Btw on my manual of the SB-700 speed light it says that the SB-700 cannot be used with IX-Nikkor lenses.. (What does this actually mean)
http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/ix-lenses.htm

QUOTE(Calvin Seak @ Jul 15 2011, 03:11 PM)
there are people in other forums also mentioning that d7000 has their own motor, so the G series of the newer lenses is not worth the price and told everyone to use the D instead
They are referring to lenses like the older AF 85mm f/1.4D and the AF-S 85mm f/1.4G where the newer G lens just marginally better.

QUOTE(Calvin Seak @ Jul 15 2011, 03:11 PM)
oh btw i bought this book from times at pavilion its called magic lantern d7000 multimedia workshop.. not really useful thou since most of the information can be actually obtained on the internet wink.gif so don't get that hehe
If you want a real good book on the D7000, get Thom Hogan's one.

QUOTE(Calvin Seak @ Jul 15 2011, 04:05 PM)
i got mine at the 1st floor at digital mall for rm3.8k i think the girl who served me was poh young wink.gif

the price is cheaper here in msia for the d7k so what the heck i just picked it up so i could learn how to use the camera 1st before i went to hk instead of taking auto all the time if i were to purhcase it in hong kong
For bodies, please don't purchase them in SG or HK unless you're not interested in getting warranty and support as bodies only have local warranty (i.e. support only where the body is purchased). It's ok if you purchase Nikon lenses because they have international warranty.
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I think the issue is not because one has AF-S and the other not. It's because that the 1.8G (which happens to have AF-S) is a sharper lens wide open and better performance at other apertures compared to the 1.8D.
Even buying the D3X alone is difficult. But my guess is you can get the D3X with the Zeiss lens at Keat Camera.

Anyway, what I read was digiloyd got a sample of the ZF mount and wanted to do a head to head test with Nikon's 35mm f/1.4 but had to return the Zeiss due to some problems.
Don't just trust me. Find out and read it for yourself.
http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/ix-lenses.htm
They are referring to lenses like the older AF 85mm f/1.4D and the AF-S 85mm f/1.4G where the newer G lens just marginally better.
If you want a real good book on the D7000, get Thom Hogan's one.
For bodies, please don't purchase them in SG or HK unless you're not interested in getting warranty and support as bodies only have local warranty (i.e. support only where the body is purchased). It's ok if you purchase Nikon lenses because they have international warranty.
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Focusing is a big deal according to my friend who owns a 85mm f/1.4D. Poisoned him with my f/1.4G last Sunday. He ordered one on Monday arrived on Wed lol~

He said sharpness not so big deal, but focusing accuracy is what made him jumped.
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jul 15 2011, 09:16 AM)
Zeiss or Nikon?
Sorry but it may be your style. I find the lens flare you put in PP a little annoying after a while. Two or three pics in a series is fine but putting it in almost all your pics is a little overdone.
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its T* one.

its not flare, it just simple one big click of brush. it become nice when i print on album. the color also rander nicely when im print on album. yea i know on web abit sux but after i put on my layout, it just simply nice and my client love it~! wub.gif


Added on July 15, 2011, 7:35 pmhere the real flare from the sun. no editing was apply. straight from camera resize and upload
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QUOTE(yanhui95 @ Jul 15 2011, 03:53 PM)
Hey thank you and the others for the reply.
i only have the basic lens kit with the canon, which i plan to do the same with the d7000, except maybe a wide angled lens.
BTW any recommended shops to get it from?

thanks  smile.gif
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i got from j-one, 3850...coz i go there trade in my d3100 rclxms.gif
QUOTE(Calvin Seak @ Jul 15 2011, 04:05 PM)
i got mine at the 1st floor at digital mall for rm3.8k i think the girl who served me was poh young wink.gif

the price is cheaper here in msia for the d7k so what the heck i just picked it up so i could learn how to use the camera 1st before i went to hk instead of taking auto all the time if i were to purhcase it in hong kong
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nice price... icon_rolleyes.gif
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want to ask u guys, is this lens sharp enuff to replace my 1870?
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QUOTE(Calvin Seak @ Jul 14 2011, 10:59 PM)
that was the retail price at rm2998 at the store opposite cannon in mid valley..

but ill be going hong kong this sunday so thats why im doing an extensive research on it...

in hong kong it only cost rm 1400..

Im still deciding... is the 1.4 and 1.8 difference alot?

or should i just get the nikon 50mm 1.4d since the d7000 has a built in motor
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Lol... you prefer buying retail price or over-quoted price than street price? Even Shashinki also listing the item tagged at RM2195 only which considered higher than street price biggrin.gif

I remember I asked Foto Selangor few months back and it was RM1.8K+/-

Given if I'm in your shoe, I'll pick the 50mm f/1.8G anytime over the Sigma 50mm f/1.4 smile.gif

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i got the lens but dont have the word nikon kogaku... >< why meh
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It was made in 1969 when the brand name was still Nippon Kogaku instead of Nikon.
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QUOTE(Riggo @ Jul 16 2011, 02:43 AM)
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no want to play Leica already ? laugh.gif
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no want to play Leica already ?  laugh.gif
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mine got this wording only (pict taken with 50mm F1.4 AI
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Yours is probably much newer batch 1 based on the serial number.
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but still softer then the AI version at F1.4. F2.8 and above almost same sharp. >< budden this lens play video damn rock~! haha
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Sharpness is not that important to me, especially when shooting film and every lens has its own characteristics =)
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to me, its quite important. at F1.4 i hardly can find the focus point or i dnt know how to use it. now i want to try film back. F55 looks like ready to be molest by me biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(vearn27 @ Jul 16 2011, 12:32 AM)
Lol... you prefer buying retail price or over-quoted price than street price? Even Shashinki also listing the item tagged at RM2195 only which considered higher than street price biggrin.gif

I remember I asked Foto Selangor few months back and it was RM1.8K+/-

Given if I'm in your shoe, I'll pick the 50mm f/1.8G anytime over the Sigma 50mm f/1.4 smile.gif
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I see, may I know why? In hong kong it's around rm 1200-1300++

Just that I saw it retailed in Msia at 3k was a shocker to me!

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QUOTE(Calvin Seak @ Jul 16 2011, 02:56 AM)
I see, may I know why? In hong kong it's around rm 1200-1300++

Just that I saw it retailed in Msia at 3k was a shocker to me!
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Why ah.....? Really need to ask why meh.....? I'll pass this and see if anyone willing to help you out with it biggrin.gif (kinda dizzy now being 3am+ and still in the office)

Which part of HK you plan to dig your lens? tongue.gif
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retailed sure expensive. big company, bigger expenditure, bigger cost.

small company, less cost. they get also same from nikon also.

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QUOTE(Isepunye @ Jul 16 2011, 03:53 AM)
to me, its quite important. at F1.4 i hardly can find the focus point or i dnt know how to use it. now i want to try film back. F55 looks like ready to be molest by me biggrin.gif
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if sharpness is concerned, get the cheapo 50mm f/1.8D also will do.

its a sharp lens
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if sharpness is concerned, get the cheapo 50mm f/1.8D also will do.

its a sharp lens
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f/1.8D kinda fail compared to f/1.8G tongue.gif. Want cheap and sharp lens can go to f/1.8G instead.
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QUOTE(celciuz @ Jul 15 2011, 06:18 PM)
Focusing is a big deal according to my friend who owns a 85mm f/1.4D. Poisoned him with my f/1.4G last Sunday. He ordered one on Monday arrived on Wed lol~

He said sharpness not so big deal, but focusing accuracy is what made him jumped.
I've actually no problems with my AF 85mm f/1.4D. I have not tried the new AF-S 85mm f/1.4. I know I cannot compare the focus motor on the AF-S 35mm f/1.4 and the AF-S 24mm f/1.4 to the one on the AF-S 85mm f/1.4 as they are both so so in terms of acquiring focus but if they are anything like it, you need to know the limitations of the lens and how to "coax" the lens into acquiring focus. Getting an AF-S lens does not automatically give you instant results if you do not know how to use it. A pro body like the D700 / D300 helps.

Anyway, I bet your friend will still not get accurate focus if technique is not correct with the AF-S lens. He would think that he acquired focus but he would be dissapointed when he looks on the screen.

Of course having said the above, I would not mine the AF-S 85mm f/1.4 if you given one. biggrin.gif

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Why ah.....? Really need to ask why meh.....? I'll pass this and see if anyone willing to help you out with it biggrin.gif (kinda dizzy now being 3am+ and still in the office)
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Welcome. What is orange country? biggrin.gif

Which Nikon model did you get?

I think if you have sufficient photography experience from another brand, it should be fine on the Nikon. Just need to get used to the buttons. That's all. Just like driving a new car with unfamiliar controls. But that does not mean you need to take L driving license again, right? smile.gif


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QUOTE(celciuz @ Jul 16 2011, 10:54 AM)
f/1.8D kinda fail compared to f/1.8G tongue.gif. Want cheap and sharp lens can go to f/1.8G instead.
I think 0168257061 was referring in the context of using it on film body.

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f/1.8D kinda fail compared to f/1.8G tongue.gif. Want cheap and sharp lens can go to f/1.8G instead.
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Well, if 'COMPARED' can be added into the context then why 50f18G only? Why not compared to (alang-alang sudah keluar tajuk kan) 35f18G and 50f14D also?
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I've actually no problems with my AF 85mm f/1.4D. I have not tried the new AF-S 85mm f/1.4. I know I cannot compare the focus motor on the AF-S 35mm f/1.4 and the AF-S 24mm f/1.4 to the one on the AF-S 85mm f/1.4 as they are both so so in terms of acquiring focus but if they are anything like it, you need to know the limitations of the lens and how to "coax" the lens into acquiring focus. Getting an AF-S lens does not automatically give you instant results if you do not know how to use it. A pro body like the D700 / D300 helps.

Anyway, I bet your friend will still not get accurate focus if technique is not correct with the AF-S lens. He would think that he acquired focus but he would be dissapointed when he looks on the screen.

Of course having said the above, I would not mine the AF-S 85mm f/1.4 if you given one.  biggrin.gif
rclxub.gif The question keeps going round and round like a merry-go-round.
Welcome. What is orange country?  biggrin.gif

Which Nikon model did you get?

I think if you have sufficient photography experience from another brand, it should be fine on the Nikon. Just need to get used to the buttons. That's all. Just like driving a new car with unfamiliar controls. But that does not mean you need to take L driving license again, right?  smile.gif


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I think 0168257061 was referring in the context of using it on film body.
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He knows how to use a prime lens, from his feedback the 85G gives higher hit rate in terms of focus accuracy wide open compared to his 85D. Not to mention it hunts less compared to 85D under low light condition. He's on a D700 as well btw, so I don't think body is much of an issue.

I'm only comparison the lens capability, the focusing accuracy wide open at f/1.4

Side note, if on old film camera then I guess only 50mm f/1.8D lo... no choice since f/1.8G doesn't have aperture ring.

QUOTE(freddy manson @ Jul 16 2011, 11:13 AM)
Well, if 'COMPARED' can be added into the context then why 50f18G only? Why not compared to (alang-alang sudah keluar tajuk kan) 35f18G and 50f14D also?
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Apple to apple comparison, both 50mm and also both are f/1.8 prime lens. icon_rolleyes.gif
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He knows how to use a prime lens, from his feedback the 85G gives higher hit rate in terms of focus accuracy wide open compared to his 85D. Not to mention it hunts less compared to 85D under low light condition. He's on a D700 as well btw, so I don't think body is much of an issue.

I'm only comparison the lens capability, the focusing accuracy wide open at f/1.4
f/1.4 at 85mm is very thin DoF. The camera may think it achieved focus but that's what the camera thinks. I'm sure that in your shooting, you'd find almost 50% (if not more) of your shots even though nice but when viewed at 100%, it locks on a different body part rather than the intended eyes.

In this respect, both 1.4D and 1.4G will achieve the same results because focus is determined by the body.

I will only go so far as to say that the speed of focus acquisition, the AF-S will acquire focus faster but in terms of focus accuracy, that's pretty even since it's on a same body. For non-action type shooting, you can take all the time to lock focus. Faster or slower, you'll still achieve it.

Focus hunting? Yes the D lens will hunt and because it's slower, you'd think that it hunts a lot. The AF-S lenses also hunt but they recover faster since the motor is fast and hence less frustrating for the user.

QUOTE(celciuz @ Jul 16 2011, 11:22 AM)
Side note, if on old film camera then I guess only 50mm f/1.8D lo... no choice since f/1.8G doesn't have aperture ring.
Partly true but it would depend on the type of body. But from the back of mind, you can mount G lens on newer film bodies but would only work in Aperture mode.
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f/1.4 at 85mm is very thin DoF. The camera may think it achieved focus but that's what the camera thinks. I'm sure that in your shooting, you'd find almost 50% (if not more) of your shots even though nice but when viewed at 100%, it locks on a different body part rather than the intended eyes.

In this respect, both 1.4D and 1.4G will achieve the same results because focus is determined by the body. 

I will only go so far as to say that the speed of focus acquisition, the AF-S will acquire focus faster but in terms of focus accuracy, that's pretty even since it's on a same body. For non-action type shooting, you can take all the time to lock focus. Faster or slower, you'll still achieve it.

Focus hunting? Yes the D lens will hunt and because it's slower, you'd think that it hunts a lot. The AF-S lenses also hunt but they recover faster since the motor is fast and hence less frustrating for the user.
Partly true but it would depend on the type of body. But from the back of mind, you can mount G lens on newer film bodies but would only work in Aperture mode.
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Okay let's get to basic first.

1. If I understood your reply, you assumed I or my friend uses 'Area mode' AF tracking when comparing the 85 f/1.4D versus the 85mm f/1.4G?

2. 50% that my shots are OOF? Meaning not focused to where I intend to? I get it focused where I want it to be. I shoot only in single AF point mode. If it is the eyes, then it is the eyes.

3. Based on my experience with the 85 f/1.4D, it acquire focus faster than the 85mm f/1.4G. But hit rate aren't as good as the f/1.4G despite being faster.

4. Depending on condition, sometimes the 85 f/1.4D can't even get a lock under low light, hunting compared to 85mm f/1.4G. To be frank, have you tried the 85mm f/1.4G and comparing it side by side with the f/1.4D before? If you did, you would understand what I experience.
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if sharpness is concerned, get the cheapo 50mm f/1.8D also will do.

its a sharp lens
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Okay let's get to basic first.

1. If I understood your reply, you assumed I or my friend uses 'Area mode' AF tracking when comparing the 85 f/1.4D versus the 85mm f/1.4G?

2. 50% that my shots are OOF? Meaning not focused to where I intend to? I get it focused where I want it to be. I shoot only in single AF point mode. If it is the eyes, then it is the eyes.

3. Based on my experience with the 85 f/1.4D, it acquire focus faster than the 85mm f/1.4G. But hit rate aren't as good as the f/1.4G despite being faster.

4. Depending on condition, sometimes the 85 f/1.4D can't even get a lock under low light, hunting compared to 85mm f/1.4G. To be frank, have you tried the 85mm f/1.4G and comparing it side by side with the f/1.4D before? If you did, you would understand what I experience.
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This I would agree 100%, have used my friend's 85 f/1.4D many times already before getting my own 1.4g

1. Focus accuracy @ 1.4 is way better than the 1.4D under low light
2. Focus speed i think is almost the same anyway ( Way slower than 70-200 but not unbearably so )
3. Focus accuracy improves once stop down ( I guess it's the same for any prime lens? )
4. Sharpness for 1.4G wideopen is generally a bit better than 1.4D, but not shockingly better as the 1.4D is quite usable wideopen

My conclusion is same with CY, under low light condition the D version hunts and miss focus much more frequently compared to the 1.4G version, there's just no comparison at all smile.gif
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QUOTE(Bliz @ Jul 16 2011, 09:00 PM)
This I would agree 100%, have used my friend's 85 f/1.4D many times already before getting my own 1.4g

1. Focus accuracy @ 1.4 is way better than the 1.4D under low light
2. Focus speed i think is almost the same anyway ( Way slower than 70-200 but not unbearably so )
3. Focus accuracy improves once stop down ( I guess it's the same for any prime lens? )
4. Sharpness for 1.4G wideopen is generally a bit better than 1.4D, but not shockingly better as the 1.4D is quite usable wideopen

My conclusion is same with CY, under low light condition the D version hunts and miss focus much more frequently compared to the 1.4G version, there's just no comparison at all  smile.gif
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if G is worst then D what is the point of nikon make these new lens tongue.gif
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f/1.8D kinda fail compared to f/1.8G tongue.gif. Want cheap and sharp lens can go to f/1.8G instead.
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u get what u paid mah.Rm3xx vs Rm6xx,

rm300++ difference there smile.gif
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Double the price bah..
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jul 16 2011, 10:58 AM)

Welcome. What is orange country?  biggrin.gif

Which Nikon model did you get?

I think if you have sufficient photography experience from another brand, it should be fine on the Nikon. Just need to get used to the buttons. That's all. Just like driving a new car with unfamiliar controls. But that does not mean you need to take L driving license again, right?  smile.gif

from sony a200 to D7000
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and the most i love is AF point...
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shocking.gif

Okay let's get to basic first.

1. If I understood your reply, you assumed I or my friend uses 'Area mode' AF tracking when comparing the 85 f/1.4D versus the 85mm f/1.4G?
No.

QUOTE(celciuz @ Jul 16 2011, 02:14 PM)
2. 50% that my shots are OOF? Meaning not focused to where I intend to? I get it focused where I want it to be. I shoot only in single AF point mode. If it is the eyes, then it is the eyes.
Excellent ! rclxms.gif

QUOTE(celciuz @ Jul 16 2011, 02:14 PM)
3. Based on my experience with the 85 f/1.4D, it acquire focus faster than the 85mm f/1.4G. But hit rate aren't as good as the f/1.4G despite being faster.
I guess I need to get myself a 1.4G and shoot more.

QUOTE(celciuz @ Jul 16 2011, 02:14 PM)
4. Depending on condition, sometimes the 85 f/1.4D can't even get a lock under low light, hunting compared to 85mm f/1.4G. To be frank, have you tried the 85mm f/1.4G and comparing it side by side with the f/1.4D before? If you did, you would understand what I experience.
Never held the AF-S 85mm f/1.4G before. If under extreme low light, I only rely and use the 15 cross type sensor to focus.

QUOTE(Bliz @ Jul 16 2011, 09:00 PM)
This I would agree 100%, have used my friend's 85 f/1.4D many times already before getting my own 1.4g

1. Focus accuracy @ 1.4 is way better than the 1.4D under low light
2. Focus speed i think is almost the same anyway ( Way slower than 70-200 but not unbearably so )
3. Focus accuracy improves once stop down ( I guess it's the same for any prime lens? )
4. Sharpness for 1.4G wideopen is generally a bit better than 1.4D, but not shockingly better as the 1.4D is quite usable wideopen

My conclusion is same with CY, under low light condition the D version hunts and miss focus much more frequently compared to the 1.4G version, there's just no comparison at all  smile.gif
Agree on all accounts except for #1. I would they are about equal and would depend on how you handle it.

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if G is worst then D what is the point of nikon make these new lens  tongue.gif
That's why I mentioned that I will not refuse if you give me the new AF-S 85mm f/1.4G to replace my AF 85mm f/1.4D. biggrin.gif

The one thing I like (and miss) about AF-S lenses is the ability to override the attained final focus manually if required by twisting the focus barrel.
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from sony a200 to D7000
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much setting and menu
and the most i love is AF point...
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Aiks... Baru lagi sudah kena buli. laugh.gif
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No.
Excellent !  rclxms.gif
I guess I need to get myself a 1.4G and shoot more.
Never held the AF-S 85mm f/1.4G before. If under extreme low light, I only rely and use the 15 cross type sensor to focus.
Agree on all accounts except for #1. I would they are about equal and would depend on how you handle it.
That's why I mentioned  that I will not refuse if you give me the new AF-S 85mm f/1.4G to replace my AF 85mm f/1.4D.  biggrin.gif

The one thing I like (and miss) about AF-S lenses is the ability to override the attained final focus manually if required by twisting the focus barrel.
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Since u mentioned u have never held AFS 85g before, how would you even know the focus ability is the same? I am speaking base on my experience of using both lenses, I know how to use 1.4 lens laugh.gif Hard to believe that u can say the focus hit rate of 1.4D = 1.4G from a user who have never even use the 1.4G version before. It's just like those 80-200 user saying their lens is as sharp as my 70-200 VR2 doh.gif
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Since u mentioned u have never held AFS 85g before, how would you even know the focus ability is the same? I am speaking base on my experience of using both lenses, I know how to use 1.4 lens  laugh.gif Hard to believe that u can say the focus hit rate of 1.4D = 1.4G from a user who have never even use the 1.4G version before. It's just like those 80-200 user saying their lens is as sharp as my 70-200 VR2  doh.gif
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LOL, totally agree. Well, experience is the best smile.gif. Like wise, I always thought 80200 was pretty good and easy to handle.. but the other time trying out Bliz's 80200 got a shock haha!

Initially I always thought 85D and 85G differences is just the nanocoat, but was dead wrong when I compared both units side by side.
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wat's the current market price for 85G & 16-35...?
got drop or increase...?
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QUOTE(celciuz @ Jul 17 2011, 10:28 AM)
LOL, totally agree. Well, experience is the best smile.gif. Like wise, I always thought 80200 was pretty good and easy to handle.. but the other time trying out Bliz's 80200 got a shock haha!

Initially I always thought 85D and 85G differences is just the nanocoat, but was dead wrong when I compared both units side by side.
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Lol never try never know, don't just say the focus hit rate of D version is the same as the G version when you didn't even test the G version before laugh.gif ... 80-200 is really front heavy and feels much more heavier than the 70-200 eventhough the latest version of 70-200vr2 is the heaviest among all doh.gif


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wat's the current market price for 85G & 16-35...?
got drop or increase...?
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Normally price of lenses won't change much, that's why always buy more lenses first drool.gif

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Lol never try never know, don't just say the focus hit rate of D version is the same as the G version when you didn't even test the G version before laugh.gif ... 80-200 is really front heavy and feels much more heavier than the 70-200 eventhough the latest version of 70-200vr2 is the heaviest among all  doh.gif


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Normally price of lenses won't change much, that's why always buy more lenses first  drool.gif
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Hahaha~ oh well its the same as me la... Last time I thought AF-D is faster and better. Cause its the 50mm f/1.4D versus f/1.4G kinda thingy.. mana tau when I used 85mm f/1.4D I was glad I didn't buy that LOLs...
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hi guys, a small question here,
Can anyone recommend a filter for the 18-105 lens that comes with the kit?
And the price too, thanks so much
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QUOTE(yanhui95 @ Jul 17 2011, 07:05 PM)
hi guys, a small question here,
Can anyone recommend a filter for the 18-105 lens that comes with the kit?
And the price too, thanks so much
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[quote=dark lenanza,Jul 17 2011, 10:14 PM]
hoya 1d..
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thanks for the reply, how much would that cost me?
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nope, just making use of VR.
300mm, f/5.6, 1/125s, iso1600.

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so ani actual current market price...?
as jz wana make sure onli...
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nope, just making use of VR.
300mm, f/5.6, 1/125s, iso1600.
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what body did u used?
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what body did u used?
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no wonder good ISO control.. at first i thought u use d700~
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QUOTE(faareast @ Jul 18 2011, 02:52 AM)
no wonder good ISO control.. at first i thought u use d700~
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Hehe the user also good mah.. If not good then pic won't be that good..
Iso1600 on a brightly lit stadium is okay mah..
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[quote=yanhui95,Jul 17 2011, 10:47 PM]
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thanks for the reply, how much would that cost me?
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i bought around RM230
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Since u mentioned u have never held AFS 85g before, how would you even know the focus ability is the same? I am speaking base on my experience of using both lenses, I know how to use 1.4 lens  laugh.gif Hard to believe that u can say the focus hit rate of 1.4D = 1.4G from a user who have never even use the 1.4G version before. It's just like those 80-200 user saying their lens is as sharp as my 70-200 VR2  doh.gif
No idea who said that 80-200 is as sharp as the VR2. I have always said that the VR2 is sharpest followed closely by AF-S 80-200mm f/2.8, VR1 and lastly the two touch on FF. I also don't doubt that the newer 85mm f/1.4G is sharper than the 1.4D. Should be since newer tech and optics. But on achieving correct focus, both 85mm lenses are about the same. Speed of achieving correct focus would be AF-S hands down.

QUOTE(celciuz @ Jul 17 2011, 10:28 AM)
LOL, totally agree. Well, experience is the best smile.gif. Like wise, I always thought 80200 was pretty good and easy to handle.. but the other time trying out Bliz's 80200 got a shock haha!
What was shocking?

Like everything else, lenses are tools of the trade. They only help us to take photographs. So if one person cannot achieve better results with it, don't go blaming the tools.

QUOTE(celciuz @ Jul 17 2011, 10:28 AM)
Initially I always thought 85D and 85G differences is just the nanocoat, but was dead wrong when I compared both units side by side.
The difference is not worlds apart. Difference is much closer than 80-200 and 70-200 comparison and even then, you pixel peep on the LCD screen.

QUOTE(Bliz @ Jul 17 2011, 11:18 AM)
Lol never try never know, don't just say the focus hit rate of D version is the same as the G version when you didn't even test the G version before laugh.gif ... 80-200 is really front heavy and feels much more heavier than the 70-200 eventhough the latest version of 70-200vr2 is the heaviest among all  doh.gif
Again, your statement on weight is incorrect. The AF-S 80-200mm f/2.8 is the heaviest.

Anyway, if I have not personally tested and own a particular lens, I will be honest upfront and say that I have not unlike some here who claims that touching and fondling it at the shop or fired few test shots in BTS is considered testing. hmm.gif

My opinions are based on my understanding and after owning several AF-S as well as AF lenses along the way. You sound like you own a lot of lenses but have you own enough to form an opinion?

QUOTE(Everdying @ Jul 18 2011, 02:37 AM)
umm, D7000, so technically it should be at 450mm tongue.gif
Did you have to crop?

QUOTE(KTCY @ Jul 18 2011, 11:00 AM)
And so I sold off my One.Point.Four. What to get now ? sleep.gif
Already 4 months didn't really snap a photo sweat.gif
A 85mm f/1.4? Or a 200mm f/2.0?
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No idea who said that 80-200 is as sharp as the VR2. I have always said that the VR2 is sharpest followed closely by AF-S 80-200mm f/2.8, VR1 and lastly the two touch on FF. I also don't doubt that the newer 85mm f/1.4G is sharper than the 1.4D. Should be since newer tech and optics. But on achieving correct focus, both 85mm lenses are about the same. Speed of achieving correct focus would be AF-S hands down.
What was shocking?

Like everything else, lenses are tools of the trade. They only help us to take photographs. So if one person cannot achieve better results with it, don't go blaming the tools.
The difference is not worlds apart. Difference is much closer than 80-200 and 70-200 comparison and even then, you pixel peep on the LCD screen.
Again, your statement on weight is incorrect. The AF-S 80-200mm f/2.8 is the heaviest.

Anyway, if I have not personally tested and own a particular lens, I will be honest upfront and say that I have not unlike some here who claims that touching and fondling it at the shop or fired few test shots in BTS is considered testing.  hmm.gif

My opinions are based on my understanding and after owning several AF-S as well as AF lenses along the way. You sound like you own a lot of lenses but have you own enough to form an opinion?
Did you have to crop?
A 85mm f/1.4? Or a 200mm f/2.0?
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To be frank, I was as stubborn as you back then when deciding between f/1.4D and f/1.4G. But ended up with the f/1.4G because it render nicer color, at that point of time I didn't know the focus accuracy differences between both lens until I swapped my lens with friend's 85mm f/1.4D mainly because he wants to try out then I found out the differences in terms of focusing accuracy.

Everyone knows lens are just tools. doh.gif

The weight is correct according to Nikonusa.com,
AF Zoom-Nikkor 80-200mm f/2.8D ED
(Approx.)45.9 oz. (1300g)

AF-S NIKKOR 70-200mm f/2.8G ED VR II
(Approx.)54.3 oz. (1540g)
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jul 18 2011, 12:20 PM)
No idea who said that 80-200 is as sharp as the VR2. I have always said that the VR2 is sharpest followed closely by AF-S 80-200mm f/2.8, VR1 and lastly the two touch on FF. I also don't doubt that the newer 85mm f/1.4G is sharper than the 1.4D. Should be since newer tech and optics. But on achieving correct focus, both 85mm lenses are about the same. Speed of achieving correct focus would be AF-S hands down.
What was shocking?

Like everything else, lenses are tools of the trade. They only help us to take photographs. So if one person cannot achieve better results with it, don't go blaming the tools.
The difference is not worlds apart. Difference is much closer than 80-200 and 70-200 comparison and even then, you pixel peep on the LCD screen.
Again, your statement on weight is incorrect. The AF-S 80-200mm f/2.8 is the heaviest.

Anyway, if I have not personally tested and own a particular lens, I will be honest upfront and say that I have not unlike some here who claims that touching and fondling it at the shop or fired few test shots in BTS is considered testing.  hmm.gif

My opinions are based on my understanding and after owning several AF-S as well as AF lenses along the way. You sound like you own a lot of lenses but have you own enough to form an opinion?
Did you have to crop?
A 85mm f/1.4? Or a 200mm f/2.0?
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yea, 80-200 for me is slightly sharper than 70-200 VR1.
and yes, had to crop la, but i still had enough workable megapixels.
else i would need at least a 400mm lens / 600mm field of view to get that.

QUOTE(celciuz @ Jul 18 2011, 12:34 PM)
To be frank, I was as stubborn as you back then when deciding between f/1.4D and f/1.4G. But ended up with the f/1.4G because it render nicer color, at that point of time I didn't know the focus accuracy differences between both lens until I swapped my lens with friend's 85mm f/1.4D mainly because he wants to try out then I found out the differences in terms of focusing accuracy.

Everyone knows lens are just tools.  doh.gif

The weight is correct according to Nikonusa.com,
AF Zoom-Nikkor 80-200mm f/2.8D ED
(Approx.)45.9 oz. (1300g)

AF-S NIKKOR 70-200mm f/2.8G ED VR II
(Approx.)54.3 oz. (1540g)
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that is the weight of 80-200 AF-D.
AF-S is 1550gm.

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Alamak, why sell that lens? No good ar?  laugh.gif
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Too good ! Just that been 4 months I never shoot anything.
Let it go to some other that appreciate it more. But will grab back once I'm back in photography wink.gif
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jul 18 2011, 12:20 PM)
Anyway, if I have not personally tested and own a particular lens, I will be honest upfront and say that I have not unlike some here who claims that touching and fondling it at the shop or fired few test shots in BTS is considered testing.  hmm.gif
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Ok, I'm one of them sweat.gif but I do state I test it at BTS and so the opinion should be taken as is; Besides, the most important is still the person itself to try it out and decide; never buy solely because of word of mouth or reading around, it should be taken as reference, which can be useful when one do the actual test.

Anyway, everyone have their own experience and opinion to share, the person reading doesn't have to believe everything immediately, it should be served as referenced, and if disagreed, it's ok. We're all here to share and learn, but try to be nice to each other loh tongue.gif
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QUOTE(KTCY @ Jul 18 2011, 02:07 PM)
Too good ! Just that been 4 months I never shoot anything.
Let it go to some other that appreciate it more. But will grab back once I'm back in photography wink.gif
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Jul 18 2011, 02:05 PM)
yea, 80-200 for me is slightly sharper than 70-200 VR1.
and yes, had to crop la, but i still had enough workable megapixels.
else i would need at least a 400mm lens / 600mm field of view to get that.
that is the weight of 80-200 AF-D.
AF-S is 1550gm.
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Oh, Blizz's 80200 is the AF-D. That's the one he had experience using smile.gif. I also used his before, it appears heavier when holding it, but on spec its lighter than the VR2.
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QUOTE(celciuz @ Jul 18 2011, 12:34 PM)
To be frank, I was as stubborn as you back then when deciding between f/1.4D and f/1.4G. But ended up with the f/1.4G because it render nicer color, at that point of time I didn't know the focus accuracy differences between both lens until I swapped my lens with friend's 85mm f/1.4D mainly because he wants to try out then I found out the differences in terms of focusing accuracy.
To be frank, I don't shoot enough to warrant a change of my current 1.4D to have the latest and greatest. I did not just buy my 1.4D yesterday. I bought mine in 2007.

QUOTE(celciuz @ Jul 18 2011, 12:34 PM)
The weight is correct according to Nikonusa.com,
AF Zoom-Nikkor 80-200mm f/2.8D ED
(Approx.)45.9 oz. (1300g)

AF-S NIKKOR 70-200mm f/2.8G ED VR II
(Approx.)54.3 oz. (1540g)
True enough, you forgot this one existed...

AF-S 80-200mm f/2.8 IF-ED
1580g

Nikon stashed it deep to keep it hidden !

http://www.nikon.com.my/productitem.php?pid=792-74eba6f338

Seems like I replied before to this question too;

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...&#entry42552942

QUOTE(Everdying @ Jul 18 2011, 02:05 PM)
yea, 80-200 for me is slightly sharper than 70-200 VR1.
and yes, had to crop la, but i still had enough workable megapixels.
else i would need at least a 400mm lens / 600mm field of view to get that.
laugh.gif Yes, that's the beauty of DX bodies in general and the D7000 specifically. Loads of MP to crop.

QUOTE(Everdying @ Jul 18 2011, 02:05 PM)
that is the weight of 80-200 AF-D.
AF-S is 1550gm.
Well, it's actually 1580g. I believe you got the 1550g figure from KR which he does not include the humungous HB-17 hood.

QUOTE(Andy214 @ Jul 18 2011, 02:10 PM)
sweat.gif
Ok, I'm one of them  sweat.gif  but I do state I test it at BTS and so the opinion should be taken as is; Besides, the most important is still the person itself to try it out and decide; never buy solely because of word of mouth or reading around, it should be taken as reference, which can be useful when one do the actual test.
No worries. I was not referring to you because besides you personally testing the lens at BTS and giving your opinions, you always mention that at the end of the day, the person needs to try it out for himself.

Anyway, I'm not saying that one cannot go to BTS to try and test lenses before buying but then please be reminded that in that short time, you can just make first impressions of the item you're "testing".

QUOTE(celciuz @ Jul 18 2011, 02:29 PM)
Oh, Blizz's 80200 is the AF-D. That's the one he had experience using smile.gif. I also used his before, it appears heavier when holding it, but on spec its lighter than the VR2.
Indeed the two touch "feels" heavier because the VR2 (and VR1) is slimmer and easier to handle.
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QUOTE(vearn27 @ Jul 18 2011, 10:51 AM)
Guys, any recommended shop to get Aipo drybox at good bargain-able price? unsure.gif

My location is PJ/KL.
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i think most prices in KL are about the same...i got mine from gstrapinuse.


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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jul 18 2011, 02:35 PM)
Well, it's actually 1580g. I believe you got the 1550g figure from KR which he does not include the humungous HB-17 hood.
i like rubber hood tongue.gif


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QUOTE(Everdying @ Jul 18 2011, 03:07 PM)
i think most prices in KL are about the same...i got mine from gstrapinuse.
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So far, I checked gstrapinuse offers the cheapest price among I asked. I'm still considering should I take the AP-48EX or straight away get the AP-68EX to be safe hmm.gif
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So far, I checked gstrapinuse offers the cheapest price among I asked. I'm still considering should I take the AP-48EX or straight away get the AP-68EX to be safe hmm.gif
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its up to u.
but there are ppl who prefer 2 smaller dry boxes than 1 big one, reason cos the big one doesnt have good airflow as smaller ones.
so the humidity at some places inside is not accurate.
my 38L is doing fine, cept i got no place to put my flashes tongue.gif
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QUOTE(vearn27 @ Jul 18 2011, 03:31 PM)
So far, I checked gstrapinuse offers the cheapest price among I asked. I'm still considering should I take the AP-48EX or straight away get the AP-68EX to be safe hmm.gif
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if u're planning on upgrading ur arsenal then go for the bigger one (i assume its the 68EX kan?)
because more space is always better.. price wise, i dont know much he he he
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jul 18 2011, 02:35 PM)
No worries. I was not referring to you because besides you personally testing the lens at BTS and giving your opinions, you always mention that at the end of the day, the person needs to try it out for himself.

Anyway, I'm not saying that one cannot go to BTS to try and test lenses before buying but then please be reminded that in that short time, you can just make first impressions of the item you're "testing".
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True, the short time test is just "first impressions"; but it will help to read around and use as reference when testing; e.g. slow focusing, one can test is and "roughly" see if it's acceptable slow; Of course, on the field use is again different case and overtime, when one uses a faster focusing lens, things will again be different. Those "first impression" test are more or less to get the feel and also usually compare few lenses to decide the purchase, or worth the investment.

On the field use, can be different again, like focus accuracy especially, how the focus speed during real shooting, etc. One thing is as you said, it's also up to the person handling it, how he/she accommodate to overcome the lens weakness, etc. (e.g. slow focusing --> pre-focus earlier, etc; but focus accuracy is tough here). Of course, with better tools, it helps.
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jul 18 2011, 12:20 PM)
Anyway, if I have not personally tested and own a particular lens, I will be honest upfront and say that I have not unlike some here who claims that touching and fondling it at the shop or fired few test shots in BTS is considered testing.  hmm.gif

My opinions are based on my understanding and after owning several AF-S as well as AF lenses along the way. You sound like you own a lot of lenses but have you own enough to form an opinion?

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No offense here but u conclude base on your understanding of owning other AFS/D lenses other than the 85mm F/1.4G. The 1.4D is my friend's copy, i had the pleasure of using it ever since he bought it ( On weddings/outdoor ) not just a while but usually for the whole session so i believe i am eligible to give a truthful opinion regarding the G vs D... I have not own many lenses before but i am just saying based on what I have used extensively/owned smile.gif
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QUOTE(vearn27 @ Jul 18 2011, 03:31 PM)
So far, I checked gstrapinuse offers the cheapest price among I asked. I'm still considering should I take the AP-48EX or straight away get the AP-68EX to be safe hmm.gif
What lenses are you planning to keep with the AP-68EX? biggrin.gif

QUOTE(Everdying @ Jul 18 2011, 03:36 PM)
its up to u.
but there are ppl who prefer 2 smaller dry boxes than 1 big one, reason cos the big one doesnt have good airflow as smaller ones.
so the humidity at some places inside is not accurate.
my 38L is doing fine, cept i got no place to put my flashes tongue.gif
Good point about using 2 smaller units vs 1 big unit. Eh, you afraid your flash will get moldy? hmm.gif thumbup.gif Don't forget to store your batteries as well. tongue.gif


QUOTE(Bliz @ Jul 18 2011, 04:42 PM)
No offense here but  u conclude base on your understanding of owning other AFS/D lenses other than the 85mm F/1.4G. The 1.4D is my friend's copy, i had the pleasure of using it ever since he bought it ( On weddings/outdoor ) not just a while but usually for the whole session so i believe i am eligible to give a truthful opinion regarding the G vs D... I have not own many lenses before but i am just saying based on what I have used extensively/owned  smile.gif
Ok, understood. I base my summary on owning 6 AF-S lenses and 4 AF-D lenses.
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Jul 18 2011, 03:36 PM)
its up to u.
but there are ppl who prefer 2 smaller dry boxes than 1 big one, reason cos the big one doesnt have good airflow as smaller ones.
so the humidity at some places inside is not accurate.
my 38L is doing fine, cept i got no place to put my flashes tongue.gif
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if u're planning on upgrading ur arsenal then go for the bigger one (i assume its the 68EX kan?)
because more space is always better.. price wise, i dont know much he he he
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What lenses are you planning to keep with the AP-68EX?  biggrin.gif
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The drybox will be storing

1x Body + Grip
1x Body Only
4x Lenses (normal length lenses)
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Yet to own any tele, but this will be it as for the time being. Should the AP-48EX sufficient with plenty of spaces left? unsure.gif
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The drybox will be storing

1x Body + Grip
1x Body Only
4x Lenses (normal length lenses)
2x Flashes

Yet to own any tele, but this will be it as for the time being. Should the AP-48EX sufficient with plenty of spaces left? unsure.gif
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AP-48EX worked for me previously...

70200 VRII, 1635, 18105, 50mm, D90 x2 and 20+ 8mm tape (those old recorder~).

Currently using 88EX to fit D700, D90, 70200, 85, 1635, instax 7s, those cartridges, also the 8mm tapes etc.
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QUOTE(vearn27 @ Jul 18 2011, 06:00 PM)
The drybox will be storing

1x Body + Grip
1x Body Only
4x Lenses (normal length lenses)
2x Flashes

Yet to own any tele, but this will be it as for the time being. Should the AP-48EX sufficient with plenty of spaces left? unsure.gif
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38L can fit all that except for the flashes.
48L no problem.
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QUOTE(celciuz @ Jul 18 2011, 06:02 PM)
Currently using 88EX to fit D700, D90, 70200, 85, 1635, instax 7s, those cartridges, also the 8mm tapes etc.
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Ur flash(es) keep where?
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Ur flash(es) keep where?
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Not bad you noticed I didn't put my flash inside haha, oh well my flash is inside my bag. SB900 don't worry about fungus lah~ tongue.gif
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QUOTE(celciuz @ Jul 18 2011, 08:01 PM)
Not bad you noticed I didn't put my flash inside haha, oh well my flash is inside my bag. SB900 don't worry about fungus lah~ tongue.gif
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jul 18 2011, 05:20 PM)

Ok, understood. I base my summary on owning 6 AF-S lenses and 4 AF-D lenses.
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QUOTE(celciuz @ Jul 18 2011, 08:01 PM)
Not bad you noticed I didn't put my flash inside haha, oh well my flash is inside my bag. SB900 don't worry about fungus lah~ tongue.gif
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So how about the films and camera body?
Those can get fungus kah?
He he he retorical question..
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So how about the films and camera body?
Those can get fungus kah?
He he he retorical question..
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Films and tapes yes, they do get hit by fungus if in a humid weather eventually. But for DSLR bodies, I don't know for sure. Since got space, why not? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(celciuz @ Jul 18 2011, 06:02 PM)
AP-48EX worked for me previously...

70200 VRII, 1635, 18105, 50mm, D90 x2 and 20+ 8mm tape (those old recorder~).

Currently using 88EX to fit D700, D90, 70200, 85, 1635, instax 7s, those cartridges, also the 8mm tapes etc.
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The body with BG, need to unattach the lens to keep or able to keep it while with the lens attached? unsure.gif

AP-48EX sounds like a bit tight looking at what you managed to kept in previously. For my gears, it should be ngam ngam fit only (the will be one extra space since I don't have tele and if I'm not putting my flash in as well).

QUOTE(Everdying @ Jul 18 2011, 07:13 PM)
38L can fit all that except for the flashes.
48L no problem.
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QUOTE(celciuz @ Jul 18 2011, 09:46 PM)
Films and tapes yes, they do get hit by fungus if in a humid weather eventually. But for DSLR bodies, I don't know for sure. Since got space, why not? biggrin.gif
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Therefore, only lens required to be stored in drybox leaving the bodies and flashes outside without harm? huh.gif
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The body with BG, need to unattach the lens to keep or able to keep it while with the lens attached? unsure.gif

AP-48EX sounds like a bit tight looking at what you managed to kept in previously. For my gears, it should be ngam ngam fit only (the will be one extra space since I don't have tele and if I'm not putting my flash in as well).
Therefore, only lens required to be stored in drybox leaving the bodies and flashes outside without harm? huh.gif
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Oh, my lens are not attached to my body inside my dry box. Occasionally maybe the 1635 or 85 is attached only, the 70200 usually is detached.

Err, I don't what should be inside, lens definitely. Body I'm not sure if fungus will grow or not :S.

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Jul 18 2011, 10:21 PM)
Oh, my lens are not attached to my body inside my dry box. Occasionally maybe the 1635 or 85 is attached only, the 70200 usually is detached.

Err, I don't what should be inside, lens definitely. Body I'm not sure if fungus will grow or not :S.
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From your experience, would the AP-48EX able to fit in D7000 + BG + 17-55 2.8G & D7000 + 85 1.4G attached with 2 extra lenses? Still got room for flashguns (or tele lens) or it is necessary to detach the body and lens? unsure.gif

Not to say I'm lazy... but I'm just looking at the possible convenient tongue.gif
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QUOTE(celciuz @ Jul 18 2011, 09:46 PM)
Films and tapes yes, they do get hit by fungus if in a humid weather eventually. But for DSLR bodies, I don't know for sure. Since got space, why not? biggrin.gif
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From your experience, would the AP-48EX able to fit in D7000 + BG + 17-55 2.8G & D7000 + 85 1.4G attached with 2 extra lenses? Still got room for flashguns (or tele lens) or it is necessary to detach the body and lens? unsure.gif

Not to say I'm lazy... but I'm just looking at the possible convenient tongue.gif
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u got TWO d7000 bodies?
D7000 + BG + 17-55 will take up one compartment already, with space for any flash except for SB700 cos of its stupid case.


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QUOTE(Everdying @ Jul 18 2011, 10:49 PM)
i have heard of fungus in viewfinder before.


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u got TWO d7000 bodies?
D7000 + BG + 17-55 will take up one compartment already, with space for any flash except for SB700 cos of its stupid case.
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Well, one is mine and the other one is my gf's biggrin.gif

The D7000 + BG + 17-55 taking up one compartment is attached or detached? Still left one compartment for another D7000 + 85G and left one last compartment for lenses and flashguns? unsure.gif
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Never knew sb900 can be so tough, drop it twice on the floor already and its still works fine *touch wood* laugh.gif
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QUOTE(vearn27 @ Jul 18 2011, 10:59 PM)
Well, one is mine and the other one is my gf's biggrin.gif

The D7000 + BG + 17-55 taking up one compartment is attached or detached? Still left one compartment for another D7000 + 85G and left one last compartment for lenses and flashguns? unsure.gif
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attached or detached doesnt matter.
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QUOTE(vearn27 @ Jul 18 2011, 10:59 PM)
Well, one is mine and the other one is my gf's biggrin.gif

The D7000 + BG + 17-55 taking up one compartment is attached or detached? Still left one compartment for another D7000 + 85G and left one last compartment for lenses and flashguns? unsure.gif
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Pardon me but what's BG? rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(vearn27 @ Jul 18 2011, 10:40 PM)
From your experience, would the AP-48EX able to fit in D7000 + BG + 17-55 2.8G & D7000 + 85 1.4G attached with 2 extra lenses? Still got room for flashguns (or tele lens) or it is necessary to detach the body and lens? unsure.gif

Not to say I'm lazy... but I'm just looking at the possible convenient tongue.gif
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Most likely able to fit, just need to arrange nicely I guess. AP-48EX has 3 levels right?

One body on each level, the another level with the wave one you can reserve for long telephoto such as 70200 and accessories. Beside the bodies other lens can just stand up, save space biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(kEazYc @ Jul 19 2011, 01:34 AM)
Pardon me but what's BG?  rclxub.gif
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battery grip.
some will call it a vertical grip.
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battery grip.
some will call it a vertical grip.
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Ohh, silly me lol.

And btw, i've heard people in forum kept saying if you're using DX body, get 35mm and it will crop to 50mm, but 35mm is a DX lens isn't it? =\ how it will crop?
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Never knew sb900 can be so tough, drop it twice on the floor already and its still works fine *touch wood* laugh.gif
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price will drop as twice...inbox me when ur were thinking to sell it off
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QUOTE(kEazYc @ Jul 19 2011, 10:26 AM)
Ohh, silly me lol.

And btw, i've heard people in forum kept saying if you're using DX body, get 35mm and it will crop to 50mm, but 35mm is a DX lens isn't it? =\ how it will crop?
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DX bodies have 1.5x crop factor.

You are getting 35mm x 1.5 = 52.5mm effective focal length (35 mm equivalent focal length) as a result.
When you are getting 50mm on a full frame slr, you get 50mm. Crop factor is 1x.

Crop factor is the multiplier in relation to 35mm's.

Read more at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focal_length http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/35_mm_equivalent_focal_length http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crop_factor rclxm9.gif
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Ekk, i thought DX body pair with DX lens = no crop? Guess i need to re-consider my current setup in my mind again. @_@
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crop factor is based on the sensor, not lens.
35mm on DX or FX, the image u are looking at thru the viewfinder is still the same size.
just that with smaller DX sensor, u see less of the sides etc of the image, so your field of view looks like a 50mm, that is the crop factor.
DX lenses are made specially for DX bodies, as they use less glass that only needs to cover the size of the DX sensor, therefore making production slightly cheaper since less glass.

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Some AFS lens focuses even slower than the D version, a good example will be the 50 f/1.4 AFS vs AF-D...i noticed nowadays only the pro lenses focuses real fast ( f/2.8 zoom lens ), the latest f/1.4 lens can't match the pro lenses in speed for sure  sweat.gif
Yup. Pro AF-S f/2.8 lenses like the 14-24mm f/2.8, 24-70mm f/2.8 and the 80-200mm f/2.8 that I have focuses very fast indeed but in low light, they too can fail if not handled correctly. But likelihood of that happening is not as bad as say from the 24mm f/1.4 or the 35mm f/1.4. My AF-D 20-35mm f/2.8, 18mm f/2.8 and of course the 85mm f/1.4 in that sense focuses more reliably on the D700 in low light than those two f/1.4 lenses.

QUOTE(vearn27 @ Jul 18 2011, 10:59 PM)
Well, one is mine and the other one is my gf's biggrin.gif
shocking.gif How convenient ! rclxms.gif

QUOTE(kEazYc @ Jul 19 2011, 10:57 AM)
Ekk, i thought DX body pair with DX lens = no crop? Guess i need to re-consider my current setup in my mind again. @_@
DX lenses (or FX lenses for that matter) still crops on DX bodies. DX lenses just mean that these lenses are optimised for the centre part of the lens = cheaper to produce.
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Ekk, i thought DX body pair with DX lens = no crop? Guess i need to re-consider my current setup in my mind again. @_@
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crop factor is based on the sensor, not lens.
35mm on DX or FX, the image u are looking at thru the viewfinder is still the same size.
just that with smaller DX sensor, u see less of the sides etc of the image, so your field of view looks like a 50mm, that is the crop factor.
DX lenses are made specially for DX bodies, as they use less glass that only needs to cover the size of the DX sensor, therefore making production slightly cheaper since less glass.
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keazyc is right. dx lens will be no crop for dx body. it will be crop when fx lens on dx body..
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QUOTE(lighter @ Jul 19 2011, 11:46 AM)
keazyc is right. dx lens will be no crop for dx body. it will be crop when fx lens on dx body..
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you are wrong.
35mm f/1.8 which is for DX, and 35mm f/2 which is a FX lens, both give the same 52.5mm field of view on DX bodies cos of the sensor.
the f/1.8 is cheaper cos it uses less glass.

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QUOTE(lighter @ Jul 19 2011, 11:46 AM)
keazyc is right. dx lens will be no crop for dx body. it will be crop when fx lens on dx body..
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this is first time i heard this but since i never have FF body so i keep quiet and see which one is true answer tongue.gif
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you are wrong.
35mm f/1.8 which is for DX, and 35mm f/2
which is a FX lens, both give the same 52.5mm field of view on DX bodies cos of the sensor.
the f/1.8 is cheaper cos it uses less glass.
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im actually lazy to explain i detail.. when fx lens attach to dx body the image view will be same as dx lens. but with the fx lens on dx body its actually cropped..as you guyz said, dx is cheaper bcoz its less glass and why fx lens is more expensive? bcoz it using more glass.. so more glass on dx body, the dx body only use part of the glass to capture image. that is what i meant.. if still dont understand i will draw u guyz a picture when im free..

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QUOTE(lighter @ Jul 19 2011, 11:46 AM)
keazyc is right. dx lens will be no crop for dx body. it will be crop when fx lens on dx body..
I hope you do not confuse vignetting and crop...

QUOTE(Everdying @ Jul 19 2011, 11:54 AM)
you are wrong.
35mm f/1.8 which is for DX, and 35mm f/2 which is a FX lens, both give the same 52.5mm field of view on DX bodies cos of the sensor.
the f/1.8 is cheaper cos it uses less glass.
Aiks... You forgot the AF-S 35mm f/1.4. biggrin.gif

QUOTE(Agito666 @ Jul 19 2011, 11:57 AM)
this is first time i heard this but since i never have FF body so i keep quiet and see which one is true answer tongue.gif
If he meant vignetting, yes. Using a DX lens on FX body produces vignetting which is not too bad. Look for samples of using the 35mm f/1.8 on FX body.
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the crop is not in the lens lerr babe
it's on the sensor

therefore, 35mm lens will always be a 35mm lens... but due to the smaller sensor size for DX sensor camera, the point of view is 'tighter/smaller'.

one can use the same 35mm lens for a micro 4/3 which has an even smaller sensor and the point of view is even tighter.

but it will still give you a view of 35mm
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I hope you do not confuse vignetting and crop...
Aiks... You forgot the AF-S 35mm f/1.4.  biggrin.gif
If he meant vignetting, yes. Using a DX lens on FX body produces vignetting which is not too bad. Look for samples of using the 35mm f/1.8 on FX body.
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im actually lazy to explain i  detail.. when fx lens attach to dx body the image view will be same as dx lens. but with the fx lens on dx body its actually cropped..as you guyz said, dx is cheaper bcoz its less glass and why fx lens is more expensive? bcoz it using more glass.. so more glass on dx body, the dx body only use part of the glass to capture image. that is what i meant.. if still dont understand i will draw u guyz a picture when im free..
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this is what i'm trying to explain.. look at the picture below...

Picture 1 is my so call "crop" not the "sensor crop" laugh.gif

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hope you guyz understand what i'm trying to show.. sweat.gif
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this is what i'm trying to explain.. look at the picture below...

Picture 1 is my so call "crop" not the "sensor crop"  laugh.gif

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hope you guyz understand what i'm trying to show..  sweat.gif
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so your point is sensor crop mean while others are saying crop factor? rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(lighter @ Jul 19 2011, 11:46 AM)
keazyc is right. dx lens will be no crop for dx body. it will be crop when fx lens on dx body..
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Jul 19 2011, 11:54 AM)
you are wrong.
35mm f/1.8 which is for DX, and 35mm f/2 which is a FX lens, both give the same 52.5mm field of view on DX bodies cos of the sensor.
the f/1.8 is cheaper cos it uses less glass.
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one is saying crop in sensor and another one saying about crop in lens perspective. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(lighter @ Jul 19 2011, 12:53 PM)
this is what i'm trying to explain.. look at the picture below...

Picture 1 is my so call "crop" not the "sensor crop"  laugh.gif

Attached Image

hope you guyz understand what i'm trying to show..  sweat.gif
Picture 3 is incorrect. You will still have crop in a DX lens on a DX sensor. Only the centre part of the DX lens is used. The sides are not.

In retrospect, Picture 3 will be correct if it was an FX sensor. It utilises fully the glass area of the DX. That is why you get vignetting when using DX lens on FX sensor because the sides of the DX glass remains unusable.
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you guys used/seen a projector before i assume.

the sensor is like the white screen on the wall.
the image of the projector is being created by the lens in the projector.

if you have a smaller white screen (DX sensor), what will happen?
if you have a bigger white screen (FX sensor), what will happen?

do bare in mind that the projector was projecting the same image using the same lens at the same focal length. hope this helps.
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Focus Test with my D7000 :

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result : Front focus problem ? sad.gif

test few times and results is the same.. anyone having focus problem with Nikon D7000 ? unsure.gif
tested with AF-S 50mm f/1.8G
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QUOTE(wk1168 @ Jul 19 2011, 06:09 PM)
see http://www.mylensdb.com/guide-field-of-vie...tor-visualizer/

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Aiyah... Good post but must you use a Canon example in a Nikon thread? tongue.gif

Nikon has a lens simulator and you can try any type of lens on DX or FX body and it'll give real time image rendition. You have 3 images that you can choose as your test example.

http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/lens/simulator/index.htm

QUOTE(four_add @ Jul 19 2011, 07:11 PM)
Focus Test with my D7000 :

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result : Front focus  problem ?  sad.gif 

test few times and results is the same.. anyone having focus problem with Nikon D7000 ?  unsure.gif
tested with AF-S 50mm f/1.8G
Before jumping onto conclusions, can you point out where did the camera focus on? What focus was used? AF-S, AF-C or AF-A? You can open up the pic in View NX2 and locate where the camera finally decided to focus on.
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Aiyah... Good post but must you use a Canon example in a Nikon thread?  tongue.gif

Nikon has a lens simulator and you can try any type of lens on DX or FX body and it'll give real time image rendition. You have 3 images that you can choose as your test example.

http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/lens/simulator/index.htm
Does not matter right as long as they are all based on the same principles. It's all cameras! rclxms.gif

Very good link you got there! Thanks also! smile.gif
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jul 19 2011, 07:45 PM)
http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/lens/simulator/index.htm
Before jumping onto conclusions, can you point out where did the camera focus on? What focus was used? AF-S, AF-C or AF-A? You can open up the pic in View NX2 and locate where the camera finally decided to focus on.
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focused on the middle broad black line using AF-S, single point middle(center of 9 points).
heard a lot of people having back focus issues.. but this one is having front focus.. maybe because of the lens itself (50mm 1.8G), should try with kit lens too.
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QUOTE(four_add @ Jul 19 2011, 08:35 PM)
focused on the middle broad black line using AF-S, single point middle(center of 9 points).
heard a lot of people having back focus issues.. but this one is having front focus.. maybe because  of the lens itself (50mm 1.8G), should try with kit lens too.
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My 2 cents, your paper seems 'senget'?

Definitely it will be 'front focus' IMO. Cause it is tilted and the 10mm is closer to the line u focus in the same plane.
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QUOTE(celciuz @ Jul 19 2011, 08:56 PM)
My 2 cents, your paper seems 'senget'?

Definitely it will be 'front focus' IMO. Cause it is tilted and the 10mm is closer to the line u focus in the same plane.
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thank you for your feedback..  biggrin.gif  will post the result here again soon..
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To be frank I had this issue before. Just make sure the line is aligned to your grid lines. Turn it on, then ensure no tilt.. else it would mislead the result.
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QUOTE(four_add @ Jul 19 2011, 07:11 PM)
Focus Test with my D7000 :

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result : Front focus  problem ?  sad.gif 

test few times and results is the same.. anyone having focus problem with Nikon D7000 ?  unsure.gif
tested with AF-S 50mm f/1.8G
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Where do you get that focus chart? Can't seem to get the version that you're using with the square alignment line? huh.gif

And supposedly, how to align with the square alignment line? sweat.gif
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at least d bold black line should be horizontal straight from wat we can see...
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Help me decide. 50mm or 35mm ?
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QUOTE(KTCY @ Jul 20 2011, 02:57 PM)
Help me decide. 50mm or 35mm ?
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Since you're on FF, 50 or better still 85G? smile.gif
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Since you're on FF, 50 or better still 85G? smile.gif
I believe KTCY is still on D90. So the 35mm (one.point.four I presume) would be nice. 50mm would be too tight.
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Where thier shop located?
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Help me decide. 50mm or 35mm ?
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35mm, it is a Nikon gold ring smile.gif Unless there is a 50mm gold ring then you can consider.
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QUOTE(KTCY @ Jul 20 2011, 02:57 PM)
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35mm lah.
or better still, 28mm.

on a side note: 35mm seems to be my normal lens now. based on FF.
35mm f1.4 i will get you end of this year (but which brand i dunno yet)
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QUOTE(celciuz @ Jul 20 2011, 04:35 PM)
35mm, it is a Nikon gold ring smile.gif Unless there is a 50mm gold ring then you can consider.
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i got a gold ring.. my wife's hahahahahaha engagement ring

anyway 35mm is a wonderful piece of glass there~
sold the 50mm for the 35mm.. never regret~
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35mm lah.
or better still, 28mm.
28mm f/2.8 or 28mm f/1.4? shocking.gif That f/1.4 is almost non-existent now and besides, the new 24mm f/1.4 is much better at relatively cheaper prices.

QUOTE(ifer @ Jul 20 2011, 04:36 PM)
on a side note: 35mm seems to be my normal lens now. based on FF.
35mm f1.4 i will get you end of this year (but which brand i dunno yet)
Which brand? You're considering Samyang?

On a side note, I thought I saw some pics of you playing with the T/S lens. Is that correct?
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for dining purpose...
i would suggest 35mm f2...
used before on my d90...
a very gd combination i would say...
and it hav a very gd MFD...
suitable for close-up oso...
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anyway 35mm is a wonderful piece of glass there~
sold the 50mm for the 35mm.. never regret~
The f/1.4? How much did you get it?

QUOTE(Str33tBoY @ Jul 20 2011, 05:23 PM)
for dining purpose...
i would suggest 35mm f2...
used before on my d90...
a very gd combination i would say...
and it hav a very gd MFD...
suitable for close-up oso...
The 35mm f/2.0 is great but I believe KTCY had that already and sold it off because not too pleased with it.
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Just tested my D7000 + 17-55 focus with Focus Test Chart. The result is just fine and I aligned it correctly, did I? smile.gif

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28mm f/2.8 or 28mm f/1.4?  shocking.gif That f/1.4 is almost non-existent now and besides, the new 24mm f/1.4 is much better at relatively cheaper prices.
Which brand? You're considering Samyang?

On a side note, I thought I saw some pics of you playing with the T/S lens. Is that correct?
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eh, when? i mean the photo of me playing with a T/S lens.

as for the 35mm f1.4 it's either nikkor or canon or carl zeiss
it all depends on which next gen camera i am getting. but i really like the carl zeiss one. then it's a question of which mount.

i tried the 28 1.4 before. my friend's. but one of the glass element was cracked at the side. apparently it didnt affect image quality. it's a nice lens i guess but i don't know what's the hoohaa about it lol. maybe i was using it in a wrong way
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QUOTE(ifer @ Jul 20 2011, 11:34 PM)
eh, when? i mean the photo of me playing with a T/S lens.

as for the 35mm f1.4 it's either nikkor or canon or carl zeiss
it all depends on which next gen camera i am getting. but i really like the carl zeiss one. then it's a question of which mount.

i tried the 28 1.4 before. my friend's. but one of the glass element was cracked at the side. apparently it didnt affect image quality. it's a nice lens i guess but i don't know what's the hoohaa about it lol. maybe i was using it in a wrong way
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QUOTE(vearn27 @ Jul 20 2011, 08:33 PM)
Just tested my D7000 + 17-55 focus with Focus Test Chart. The result is just fine and I aligned it correctly, did I? smile.gif

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Looks fine.

QUOTE(ifer @ Jul 20 2011, 11:34 PM)
eh, when? i mean the photo of me playing with a T/S lens.
Errr, sorry. Forget about it since I just saw the EXIF.

QUOTE(ifer @ Jul 20 2011, 11:34 PM)
as for the 35mm f1.4 it's either nikkor or canon or carl zeiss
it all depends on which next gen camera i am getting. but i really like the carl zeiss one. then it's a question of which mount.
Apparently digiloyd just posted a summary of his review of the new Zeiss lens with a D3X.

http://diglloyd.com/blog/2011/20110718_1-Z...4-examples.html

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i tried the 28 1.4 before. my friend's. but one of the glass element was cracked at the side. apparently it didnt affect image quality. it's a nice lens i guess but i don't know what's the hoohaa about it lol. maybe i was using it in a wrong way
The 28mm f/1.4 is one of a kind glass that is hand grounded (polished). It is said that it was more of a nocturnal type of lens and it's ability to get sharp images wide open. But then the new 24mm f/1.4 did it one better and was even sharper in the centre as well as the sides wide open. sweat.gif
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Help me decide. 50mm or 35mm ?
Dining purpose use. laugh.gif
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Sigmalux! Goldfries uses 50 f1.4 also, look at his awesome food shots smile.gif
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jul 21 2011, 01:35 AM)
Apparently digiloyd just posted a summary of his review of the new Zeiss lens with a D3X.

http://diglloyd.com/blog/2011/20110718_1-Z...4-examples.html
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it's going to be my choice of lens for the canon and nikon as well. lol.
but i will have to test the nikon version first.
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I found the stock USB cable supplied with my D7000 is too short for tethering purposes. Any recommendations on longer cable or extension that can get the job done?
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I found the stock USB cable supplied with my D7000 is too short for tethering purposes. Any recommendations on longer cable or extension that can get the job done?
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or just go any IT store buy usb extensions.

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or just go any IT store buy usb extensions.
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Eyefi different leh.... So normal USB extension will do?

When are you free, so that you can pass me the 'promised' disc? rclxms.gif
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Eyefi different leh.... So normal USB extension will do?

When are you free, so that you can pass me the 'promised' disc?  rclxms.gif
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eyefi can la.
im sure ur laptop got wifi, d7000 got extra sd slot tongue.gif

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I found the stock USB cable supplied with my D7000 is too short for tethering purposes. Any recommendations on longer cable or extension that can get the job done?
If I recall, the USB cable is the same like any other USB cable. Just get a longer one from any IT shop.

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anyone know how to upgrade d7000 firmware?
Download the latest 1.02 firmware, get an empty memory card, charge your batteries fully and follow these instructions;

http://nikonasia-en.custhelp.com/app/answe...vQ09vQmh3ems%3D
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Both file and instruction available here: http://nikonasia-en.custhelp.com/app/answe...vTUY4TGl3ems%3D
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Jul 21 2011, 01:51 PM)
eyefi can la.
im sure ur laptop got wifi, d7000 got extra sd slot tongue.gif

free most anytime.
u going for the mtv world stage?
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If I recall, the USB cable is the same like any other USB cable. Just get a longer one from any IT shop.
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Friends,

I have 1 question
For a DX user, which lens more suitable?

Nikon 24-70mm f/2.8G (FX)
Nikon 17-55mm f/2.8G (DX)

Difference by 1k...

For those who got BOTH shocking.gif lens, really appreciate your advice!!


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17-55, 2470 range would be not tele and not wide enough kinda condition.
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QUOTE(opfish @ Jul 21 2011, 01:47 PM)
Eyefi different leh.... So normal USB extension will do?

When are you free, so that you can pass me the 'promised' disc?  rclxms.gif
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Wah surely eyefi is waaaaay better for tehthering, don't you think so?
No need messy wires..
Haven't tried yet but I think it's a great tool (by theory)

But don't know if u can control the shutter/autofocus wiith the computer.. (On liveview mode)
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QUOTE(gid @ Jul 21 2011, 05:32 PM)
Friends,

I have 1 question
For a DX user, which lens more suitable?

Nikon 24-70mm f/2.8G (FX)
Nikon 17-55mm f/2.8G (DX)

Difference by 1k...

For those who got BOTH  shocking.gif  lens, really appreciate your advice!!
This subject has been debated a lot here recently and on the internet.

The thing is it depends on what you want to do. What lenses do you already have? What kind of photography are you into? Events / wedding day? If yes, the 17-55 is more favoured on the DX body.
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Got question here.

Who try 24mm f2.8d before? Might to share some ur thoughts thanks.
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Got photography course this weekend, so not going for the concert. I'll contact u somewhere around next week then.
Roger. Thanks!
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course? pls dont say at nikonian academy...
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QUOTE(freddy manson @ Jul 21 2011, 06:54 PM)
Wah surely eyefi is waaaaay better for tehthering, don't you think so?
No need messy wires..
Haven't tried yet but I think it's a great tool (by theory)

But don't know if u can control the shutter/autofocus wiith the computer.. (On liveview mode)
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Haven't discovered anything about eyefi yet. Like u said, its potential limitation would be on the remote control via PC. Unless they come together with such software or compatible with current tether-able softwares.

Actually I've just updated my Lightroom. Last nite tried the tethered capture, found out the cable too short. Potong stim!

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course? pls dont say at nikonian academy...
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QUOTE(opfish @ Jul 21 2011, 09:27 PM)
Haven't discovered anything about eyefi yet. Like u said, its potential limitation would be on the remote control via PC. Unless they come together with such software or compatible with current tether-able softwares.

Actually I've just updated my Lightroom. Last nite tried the tethered capture, found out the cable too short. Potong stim!
No la, just a basic course organized by my company's employees club. Watching Chelsea's game?
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Haha! I thought so too. At least our boys played quite well. Just regard that one as a consolation goal as not to embarass chelsea. You should be glad perhaps coz your fav team scored more goals here tongue.gif
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17-55, 2470 range would be not tele and not wide enough kinda condition.
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Yeah, for those who is confused to choose which one. Just take it like this.

17-55 is the "24-70" of DX.

24-70 is the "17-55" of FX.

Your choice is fully depending on which body you are using.
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QUOTE(gid @ Jul 21 2011, 05:32 PM)
Friends,

I have 1 question
For a DX user, which lens more suitable?

Nikon 24-70mm f/2.8G (FX)
Nikon 17-55mm f/2.8G (DX)

Difference by 1k...

For those who got BOTH  shocking.gif  lens, really appreciate your advice!!
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I was at your position few weeks back and I made the choice for 17-55 instead of 24-70, that's mainly because I'm on DX which the effective focal length after 1.5x factor is 25.5-82.5 (17-55) and 36-105 (24-70).

I need wide coverage for the photos I'm shooting hence I made it to 17-55 as I find 24-70 is kind of tight after my experience with the kit lens 18-105 smile.gif
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QUOTE(celciuz @ Jul 21 2011, 05:37 PM)
17-55, 2470 range would be not tele and not wide enough kinda condition.
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This subject has been debated a lot here recently and on the internet.

The thing is it depends on what you want to do. What lenses do you already have? What kind of photography are you into? Events / wedding day? If yes, the 17-55 is more favoured on the DX body.
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QUOTE(FaezFarhan @ Jul 22 2011, 02:37 AM)
Yeah, for those who is confused to choose which one. Just take it like this.

17-55 is the "24-70" of DX.
24-70 is the "17-55" of FX.

Your choice is fully depending on which body you are using.
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QUOTE(vearn27 @ Jul 22 2011, 03:58 AM)
I was at your position few weeks back and I made the choice for 17-55 instead of 24-70, that's mainly because I'm on DX which the effective focal length after 1.5x factor is 25.5-82.5 (17-55) and 36-105 (24-70).

I need wide coverage for the photos I'm shooting hence I made it to 17-55 as I find 24-70 is kind of tight after my experience with the kit lens 18-105 smile.gif
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Thanks to all of your advice.
Anybody here got both lens? (angkat tangan)

Well I am ok of the calculation.
More interested to know the quality and sharpness ..

I am not event or wedding photography, more on hobby shooting indoor speedy gonzales (kids runing at home).
As for discussion
i think the 24-70 (2007 design) and 17-55 (2004 design)
any newer replacement version coming out?
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i think comparing sharpness of the 24-70 and the 17-55 is like looking at angels dancing on a pin head. you will probably go blind.


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QUOTE(gid @ Jul 22 2011, 09:41 AM)
Thanks to all of your advice.
Anybody here got both lens? (angkat tangan)

Well I am ok of the calculation.
More interested to know the quality and sharpness ..

I am not event or wedding photography, more on hobby shooting indoor speedy gonzales (kids runing at home).
As for discussion
i think the 24-70 (2007 design) and 17-55 (2004 design)
any newer replacement version coming out?
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if i was on ur shoe, ill take 2470 anytime. higher 2nd hand value (due to higher price) and easier to sell. ya lor not many DX user can afford to buy 1755 but im pretty sure most of FX user can afford 2470

in term of sharpness, i think both is almost the same. colors also almost same contrast. the only major differ is the range. both has top quality! both motors are fast!

do u have kitlens? if yes, try to limit urself untiil 24mm. shoot for couple of week. if u think that 24mm is wide enuff for ur usage, then there u go
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QUOTE(gid @ Jul 22 2011, 09:41 AM)
Thanks to all of your advice.
Anybody here got both lens? (angkat tangan)

Well I am ok of the calculation.
More interested to know the quality and sharpness ..

I am not event or wedding photography, more on hobby shooting indoor speedy gonzales (kids runing at home).
As for discussion
i think the 24-70 (2007 design) and 17-55 (2004 design)
any newer replacement version coming out?
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Depending how important the wide is to you; Don't forget both lens are big and heavy; Hobby shooting indoor, you might not want to carry such big glass and chasing kids or trying "extraordinary' angles. For that, you actually have MUCH MORE cheaper options, lighter, smaller and "arguably" comparable sharpness and good image quality, such as the Tamron 17-50 f/2.8 non-VC, for only around RM1200 (around than 4 times cheaper than a NEW 17-55mm f/2.8 Nikkor). The main issue is the slower AF, hunting and inaccurate AF in low light, and noisy motor; however it's much more lighter and compact, easier to move around and shoot for hobby indoor.

If money is not an issue, 17-55mm is great, but it's just way too expensive, for DX lens and it's so far apart from it's 3rd party counterpart, plus the 2nd hand value is much lower (unless you plan to go for 2nd hand). For budget or hobby use (under budget), I personally feel the price is too steep; But if one is using it for "work", it's different story.
Imagine this: One could buy a 24-70mm f/2.8 and at the same time spend extra about RM1K and get the Tammy.

Anyway, just my personal opinion. There's no wrong or right, it depends on how each person see/evaluates it.

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comparing 17-55 with 3rd party?
well, u are paying extra for focus speed, focus accuracy, built quality, etc.

plus, i dont see why is there a need to differentiate a buyer based on whether its a hobby or for work.
just buy what makes them happy, its their money afterall.

there are plenty way more expensive hobbies than dslr anyway...like car modifications tongue.gif


Added on July 22, 2011, 1:00 pmalso, as always buy for what u need now, not later.
btw, 17-55, as for a few DX lenses can be used on FX bodies...so its not a total waste should u go to FX later down the road...
ignoring the DX mode on the bodies, the 17-55 essentially becomes around a 28-55.
u could also enable DX crop mode, and it may probably a waste as ppl think DX lens on FX bodies are...
anyway current DX bodies crop mode is only around 6mp...unless you got a D3x that has 10mp in crop mode.
its still more than enough mp provided you frame right.

or wait for the new estimated 30mp FX body, in crop mode that should get 15-16mp tongue.gif

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tamron is a regretful choice. at the end i use more 1870 rather than 1750. and now more 2880 rather than 1870 ><
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tamron is a regretful choice. at the end i use more 1870 rather than 1750. and now more 2880 rather than 1870 ><
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That's if you don't need the f/2.8; The AF hunting and inaccuracy in low light is very bad, Sigma is much better in this case, but less sharp wide open.
Plus, there's no new 18-70mm.

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QUOTE(SSY22 @ Jul 21 2011, 07:41 PM)
Got question here.

Who try 24mm f2.8d before? Might to share some ur thoughts thanks.
I used it before I sold it since it got very little time on the camera. It's small and compact. Nice for street photography. Never tried it on FX body though. Should be an ok lens if you can get it cheap.

Looking back at my old pics, it was very prone to flare from the limited usage that I had. Just have to be careful when shooting into the source of light during day or night time.

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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Jul 22 2011, 12:10 PM)
Depending how important the wide is to you; Don't forget  both lens are big and heavy; Hobby shooting indoor, you might not want to carry such big glass and chasing kids or trying "extraordinary' angles. For that, you actually have MUCH MORE cheaper options, lighter, smaller and "arguably" comparable sharpness and good image quality, such as the Tamron 17-50 f/2.8 non-VC, for only around RM1200 (around than 4 times cheaper than a NEW 17-55mm f/2.8 Nikkor). The main issue is the slower AF, hunting and inaccurate AF in low light, and noisy motor; however it's much more lighter and compact, easier to move around and shoot for hobby indoor.
I think if one is looking at 3rd party wide engles, the Tamron 16-28mm f/2.8 is interesting. The design and shape looks a lot like the nikon's 14-24mm f/2.8. Don't know if it already available here or not...

QUOTE(Everdying @ Jul 22 2011, 12:48 PM)
comparing 17-55 with 3rd party?
well, u are paying extra for focus speed, focus accuracy, built quality, etc.

plus, i dont see why is there a need to differentiate a buyer based on whether its a hobby or for work.
just buy what makes them happy, its their money afterall.

there are plenty way more expensive hobbies than dslr anyway...like car modifications tongue.gif
As I recall, guitar collection is also very expensive. biggrin.gif

QUOTE(Everdying @ Jul 22 2011, 12:48 PM)
also, as always buy for what u need now, not later.
btw, 17-55, as for a few DX lenses can be used on FX bodies...so its not a total waste should u go to FX later down the road...
ignoring the DX mode on the bodies, the 17-55 essentially becomes around a 28-55.
u could also enable DX crop mode, and it may probably a waste as ppl think DX lens on FX bodies are...
anyway current DX bodies crop mode is only around 6mp...unless you got a D3x that has 10mp in crop mode.
its still more than enough mp provided you frame right.
That's true. DX mode on D700/D3/D3s is 5.2 MP. I lived with 4MP before on the D2Hs.

Anyway, while you can still use a DX lens on FX body in FX mode (not in auto crop DX mode) at certain focal lengths (usually at longer ends), you need to stop it down a lot to kill away the vignetting problem in the corners. Even then, the quality in the sides will be mushy because DX glasses are only optimised in the centre portion.

QUOTE(Andy214 @ Jul 22 2011, 02:03 PM)
That's if you don't need the f/2.8; The AF hunting and inaccuracy in low light is very bad, Sigma is much better in this case, but less sharp wide open.
Plus, there's no new 18-70mm.
Used to remember that the 18-70 kit lens were plenty in the market when everybody had a D70. biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jul 22 2011, 02:54 PM)
I think if one is looking at 3rd party wide engles, the Tamron 16-28mm f/2.8 is interesting. The design and shape looks a lot like the nikon's 14-24mm f/2.8. Don't know if it already available here or not...

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Jul 22 2011, 12:48 PM)
comparing 17-55 with 3rd party?
well, u are paying extra for focus speed, focus accuracy, built quality, etc.

plus, i dont see why is there a need to differentiate a buyer based on whether its a hobby or for work.
just buy what makes them happy, its their money afterall.

there are plenty way more expensive hobbies than dslr anyway...like car modifications tongue.gif


Added on July 22, 2011, 1:00 pmalso, as always buy for what u need now, not later.
btw, 17-55, as for a few DX lenses can be used on FX bodies...so its not a total waste should u go to FX later down the road...
ignoring the DX mode on the bodies, the 17-55 essentially becomes around a 28-55.
u could also enable DX crop mode, and it may probably a waste as ppl think DX lens on FX bodies are...
anyway current DX bodies crop mode is only around 6mp...unless you got a D3x that has 10mp in crop mode.
its still more than enough mp provided you frame right.

or wait for the new estimated 30mp FX body, in crop mode that should get 15-16mp tongue.gif
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Why not, it's just comparison. You might already known that many DX users are actually using 3rd party equivalent for Nikkor 17-55 even Pro Wedding Photogs; As I said, there's no wrong or right.

As for buyer differentiation, I'm just saying as example; Please don't be sensitive, it's not about "putting people at different level" kind of thing. It's very normal or common question, there're people who just use for hobby; Even hobby, there're people who earn little and earn a lot, or simply have $$ OR willing to spend more, while there're those that not willing to spend too much; We can't generalize and category everyone and expect everyone to pay for the best.
I didn't say they should buy this or that either, I'm just giving "alternatives" and then explain why I suggest this; I hope it's clear, some people prefer to say "go for this" but don't mention why, but there're people who don't care why or they prefer simple and straighforward answer, while there're those prefer to know the details and reasons. I'm simply sharing my point of view, the buyer can decide based on "everyone's" feedback, not just me, plus I'm nobody.
Besides, I also specifically mentioned the weakness of the "alternatives", I didn't try to hide it or saying the 3rd party is how great to how great.

Many hobbies are expensive, but not everyone spend the same; Some willing to spend more, some less; Some earn a lot, but spend little on the hobby, while some earn little, but willing to spend a lot on the hobby (even saving for years just to own 1 lens). For work, it's again different, if the job is going well, the cost can be cover back and the lens is actually important as it will help out on the job.

Not sure how many people will use the 17-55mm on FX; I see more people selling and lower resale value compare to many others. Plus, for many other lens, their 3rd party counterpart don't give so much difference; As I said, 17-55mm Nikkor is around 4 times more expensive than it's 3rd party counterpart, and each TIMES, the amount is RM1200; It's not small amount difference. For people using for hobby (shooting indoor, kids), they may not necessarily need such expensive lens, plus it's big and heavy; Plus, I also mentioned shooting at "extraordinary" angles, and the need to move a lot when following kids around, shooting in tight spaces, going down, low, shooting between chairs/objects, etc.
Of course, I'm not saying that's not possible or not good, just an "example" of convenience and whether is it really a need for it; Everyone has their own preference, if I have the luxury to own it, I don't mind it tongue.gif

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well, imo 17-55 is targetted at the pros who have dx bodies and value image quality.
likewise, there are the tamron 17-50s out there for the casual users, or those who cant afford the nikon pro lenses.

but with FX, those who buy the bodies usually have money anyway...so most dont even bother looking at the 24-70 equivalents like sigma...who btw do make a 24-70 f/2.8 which is basically half the price of the nikon equivalent.
tamron also has a 28-75 f/2.8 for rm1.5k which is also almost 4 times cheaper than the nikon 24-70, but u dont hear of many ppl using it...tho im taking a guess the image quality should be similar to the 17-50.

imo, the 17-55 gets a 'bad' name due to there being way more DX users who are looking for something cheaper.
not to say there are no FX users looking for cheaper alternatives, but the numbers arent there to see many significant complains tongue.gif


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well, imo 17-55 is targetted at the pros who have dx bodies and value image quality.
likewise, there are the tamron 17-50s out there for the casual users, or those who cant afford the nikon pro lenses.

but with FX, those who buy the bodies usually have money anyway...so most dont even bother looking at the 24-70 equivalents like sigma...who btw do make a 24-70 f/2.8 which is basically half the price of the nikon equivalent.
tamron also has a 28-75 f/2.8 for rm1.5k which is also almost 4 times cheaper than the nikon 24-70, but u dont hear of many ppl using it...tho im taking a guess the image quality should be similar to the 17-50.

imo, the 17-55 gets a 'bad' name due to there being way more DX users who are looking for something cheaper.
not to say there are no FX users looking for cheaper alternatives, but the numbers arent there to see many significant complains tongue.gif
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True, if one can afford FX, the price factor is different. DX have more types of users, only those who can afford can go for FX, thus the price difference is not so significant. Imagine a common DX body of 2-3K, very FX body of > 8K?
Then lens which double the price of the BODY on DX? Comparing with FX which the body cost much more.

I won't say 17-55mm is bad or give it a bad name, in fact, I didn't say it, just to make it clear if you're referring to me; I just feel the price is too steep (personally), but I don't disagree it's a great lens with amazing built and optical quality, no doubt.

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not referring to u.
just in general, cos ppl say 17-55 not worth it better buy tamron etc.
but its all in the spending power, dont see many FX users say nikon 24-70 not worth it better buy sigma 24-70.
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Jul 22 2011, 04:21 PM)
not referring to u.
just in general, cos ppl say 17-55 not worth it better buy tamron etc.
but its all in the spending power, dont see many FX users say nikon 24-70 not worth it better buy sigma 24-70.
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If under budget, I would not go for 17-55; As DX user, especially not working as photographer, and under budget, RM5K is a big amount, not something we can buy with even 1 year saving; You might read before some people save over 2 years just to get the 70-200mm f/2.8. If the person wants to own few lenses, they may consider "alternatives" depending on the price difference and so on, if makes a lot of difference.

However, the 2nd hand price is considerable; The main issue is finding a good condition unit especially after some horror stories.

FX is different case, having able to spend a FX body, the "value" of the money is different; RM1000 value for people who can afford DX VS people who can afford FX is very much different.
Just like people who can afford budget car VS people can can afford luxury car, the "value" of money is different; That day at one shop, I heard the owner of Audi TT talking about the some aftermarket headlamp, he said "only RM4000, cheap lah!" (not sure for both sides of only 1); For people who just say drive a B-Segment car, even RM1000 is "very" expensive?

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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jul 22 2011, 02:54 PM)
I used it before I sold it since it got very little time on the camera. It's small and compact. Nice for street photography. Never tried it on FX body though. Should be an ok lens if you can get it cheap.

Looking back at my old pics, it was very prone to flare from the limited usage that I had. Just have to be careful when shooting into the source of light during day or night time.

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I think if one is looking at 3rd party wide engles, the Tamron 16-28mm f/2.8 is interesting. The design and shape looks a lot like the nikon's 14-24mm f/2.8. Don't know if it already available here or not...
As I recall, guitar collection is also very expensive.  biggrin.gif
That's true. DX mode on D700/D3/D3s is 5.2 MP. I lived with 4MP before on the D2Hs.

Anyway, while you can still use a DX lens on FX body in FX mode (not in auto crop DX mode) at certain focal lengths (usually at longer ends), you need to stop it down a lot to kill away the vignetting problem in the corners. Even then, the quality in the sides will be mushy because DX glasses are only optimised in the centre portion.
Used to remember that the 18-70 kit lens were plenty in the market when everybody had a D70.  biggrin.gif
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I personally will not buy 3rd party lens anymore.. Have a bad experience on 3rd party lens.. bad build quality, front/back focusing issue, slow focusing, difficult to focus & etc.. I owned tamron 18-270 & 17-55 and sold it off after few months.. Now i would rather save more money and stick back to orignal.. I would say for 3rd party brand Tokina is the best.. but again, TTL will not be accurate in wide open..
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If under budget, I would not go for 17-55; As DX user, especially not working as photographer, and under budget, RM5K is a big amount, not something we can buy with even 1 year saving; You might read before some people save over 2 years just to get the 70-200mm f/2.8. If the person wants to own few lenses, they may consider "alternatives" depending on the price difference and so on, if makes a lot of difference.

However, the 2nd hand price is considerable; The main issue is finding a good condition unit especially after some horror stories.

FX is different case, having able to spend a FX body, the "value" of the money is different; RM1000 value for people who can afford DX VS people who can afford FX is very much different.
Just like people who can afford budget car VS people can can afford luxury car, the "value" of money is different; That day at one shop, I heard the owner of Audi TT talking about the some aftermarket headlamp, he said "only RM4000, cheap lah!" (not sure for both sides of only 1); For people who just say drive a B-Segment car, even RM1000 is "very" expensive?
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if under budget of cos diff story.
but if not, why go 3rd party?
what i see here is, even if the person has a big budget, everyone is still recommending 3rd party lenses over the 17-55.

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Jul 22 2011, 06:08 PM)
if under budget of cos diff story.
but if not, why go 3rd party?
what i see here is, even if the person has a big budget, everyone is still recommending 3rd party lenses.
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My previous recommendation is because he mentioned is for hobby indoor shooting kids, so suggest an alternative for him to "consider" due to the lighter weight, smaller size which is easier to use and he can save more money (plus, he wanted the 24-70; the savings can get him that later or some other lens, or perhaps something else).

Nonetheless, I didn't say must, just giving a different point of view, plus I did specifically highlight the weakness of the 3rd party (at least I mention this to let the person know, rather than just recommending blindly or say something "simple" like "better get Tamron, cheaper and good image quality", right?)
But if the person wants to know which is the better lens and he/she can afford it, the answer is very clear.


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i have a 17-55 dx nikkor. and i don't think i will sell it even if i go full frame. most likely will use it for a lower end body for travel usage smile.gif

it's hard to compare it side by side with 3rd party lenses. you must use it then you'll feel it.

for me it is a lens that you learn to appreciate with time. smile.gif

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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Jul 22 2011, 06:16 PM)
My previous recommendation is because he mentioned is for hobby indoor shooting kids, so suggest an alternative for him to "consider" due to the lighter weight, smaller size which is easier to use and he can save more money (plus, he wanted the 24-70; the savings can get him that later or some other lens, or perhaps something else).

Nonetheless, I didn't say must, just giving a different point of view, plus I did specifically highlight the weakness of the 3rd party (at least I mention this to let the person know, rather than just recommending blindly or say something "simple" like "better get Tamron, cheaper and good image quality", right?)
But if the person wants to know which is the better lens and he/she can afford it, the answer is very clear.
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yea, weaknesses...
indoor shooting with the lighting conditions, i wonder if the likes of tamron is able to focus properly or not.
and especially if the kids run around, i doubt the tamron can lock focus fast enough.
if like that, imo even cheaper nikons say the 16-85 or even *ancient* 18-70 would be a better choice...
or even the 50mm 1.8G tongue.gif

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Tokina la boss laugh.gif and according to the tokina distributor here in malaysia its already available. Still havent get my hands on them yet though, scared terpoison myself tongue.gif
Oppphs, sorry boss.

QUOTE(Everdying @ Jul 22 2011, 04:21 PM)
not referring to u.
just in general, cos ppl say 17-55 not worth it better buy tamron etc.
but its all in the spending power, dont see many FX users say nikon 24-70 not worth it better buy sigma 24-70.
I will buy a 3rd party lens if it can proof itself to be worthy. A good example is the Tamron 90mm f/28 macro lens which is a very good alternative to Nikon's 105mm f/2.8 micro.

QUOTE(lighter @ Jul 22 2011, 05:20 PM)
I personally will not buy 3rd party lens anymore.. Have a bad experience on 3rd party lens.. bad build quality, front/back focusing issue, slow focusing, difficult to focus & etc.. I owned tamron 18-270 & 17-55 and sold it off after few months.. Now i would rather save more money and stick back to orignal.. I would say for 3rd party brand Tokina is the best.. but again, TTL will not be accurate in wide open..
Yeah, 3rd party lenses can be a headache too in terms of compatibility. Not to say that ALL 3rd parties are bad but the chances are higher than say a bad Nikkor.

Like I mentioned, selling 3rd party lenses can be a little difficult too and you'd probably loose more than say selling a Nikkor.

QUOTE(Andy214 @ Jul 22 2011, 06:16 PM)
My previous recommendation is because he mentioned is for hobby indoor shooting kids, so suggest an alternative for him to "consider" due to the lighter weight, smaller size which is easier to use and he can save more money (plus, he wanted the 24-70; the savings can get him that later or some other lens, or perhaps something else).
I would agree that if someone is on tight budget, 3rd party option is nice. Perhaps it's just an interim before one is poisoned to get the better Nikkor.

However, if someone already has some budget or the budget can stretch a little, the Nikkor can be somewhat an investment. If don't like or want to quit or want to upgrade to FX, you can always sell it for a reasonable price to fund your next item. It's not going to loose a lot of money. Put it this way... I think if you think about the lost of value when selling a 3rd party lens because you don't like it or if you want to upgrade to a better lens is quite high compared to if you had a Nikkor. Oh, plus the fact that during ownership of the Nikkor, you get the satisfaction of enjoying good quality images from the lens. Sometimes, that makes up more for the price.
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Poor gid, he was asking for more opinions between selecting a 17-55 and 24-70 ended up in a long debate between Everdying and Andy214. Well, I'm not trying to side neither sides nor saying who's correct because it's all opinions and individual preferences.

Before I sum 17-55 vs 24-70 on which could be better, let's sum up the Original Nikkor Lenses vs 3rd Party Lenses:

Nikkor Lenses (Original Nikon Products)

Pros
  • Generally sharper?
  • Generally better color contrast?
  • Generally faster focus
  • Better focus accuracy
  • Better built quality
  • Less likely of front/back focusing problem
  • Generally high resale value but not all
  • Less noisy auto-focus motor (for AF-S lenses)
Cons
  • Very expensive
  • Some lenses has lower resale value which would cause bad resale value ratio
3rd Party Lenses (Sigma, Tamron, Tokina)

Pros
  • Generally slower focus and some very slow
  • Not so accurate focus
  • Chances of focus hunting in low light
  • Built quality not as great as Nikkor lenses
  • Likelihood of front/back focusing problem
  • Some has noisy auto-focus motor (for AF-S lenses)
Cons
  • Cheaper alternative than original Nikkor lenses (some even cheaper by 3x~4x)
  • People tend to prefer 2nd hand Nikkor than 2nd hand 3rd party lenses?
That's what I could collect from the debate smile.gif

However, please do note that there are good 3rd party lenses that could be better compared with Nikkor lenses. One good example would be Sigma's 50mm f/1.4 which is generally known it's sharper than Nikkor 50mm f/1.4. For this example, the Sigma's 50mm f/1.4 or known as Sigmalux is priced higher than Nikkor's.

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Forget about the price tag, the 17-55 is one of the top quality lens brows.gif

u get what u paid lar laugh.gif
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Again for gib, both 17-55 and 24-70 are top grade lenses from Nikkor. Likelihood of renewing both models are yet to know, but these two lenses already very good enough even for professional photographers. Sharpness wise, focusing rate, focusing speed, built quality, etc. both should be on par. Color contrast wise may be slightly leaned towards 24-70 due to Nikkor very own popular Nanocoating in which the lens bearing the N symbol.

Since both lenses quality on par, the one thing that should matter the most to your decision should be the focal length. If you using the kit lens 18-105 and you find that many times you shoot at 24mm and below, most likely the 17-55 will be a better choice since 24mm could be still tight on DX body which is less preferable for tight places, group or landscape shooting. 24-70 on the other hand provides you slightly further reach than the 17-55 but again, being losing out on the wide coverage.

It's all down to you on how you wanted to use the lens and what you intended to shoot the most. I picked the 17-55 because I need the wideness for covering my event shooting. Good luck smile.gif
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Fellow Nikonians here, just wanted to get some pointers in using flashgun.

I have the Nikon SB-900 flashgun with me. All the while I have been relying on i-TTL, Even Flash and switching in between Flash Sync Speed 1/250s (Auto FP) and 1/250s. Been advised not to use the dome diffuser because it will be creating shadow. I bought the Demb Flash Diffuser Pro (DFD) altogether with my flashgun but seldom using it as I'm not sure on how to controlling the light.

Anyone here willing to share on how you use your flashgun with everyone? i-TLL as well Or perhaps Manual setting? smile.gif
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QUOTE(vearn27 @ Jul 22 2011, 09:39 PM)
Fellow Nikonians here, just wanted to get some pointers in using flashgun.

I have the Nikon SB-900 flashgun with me. All the while I have been relying on i-TTL, Even Flash and switching in between Flash Sync Speed 1/250s (Auto FP) and 1/250s. Been advised not to use the dome diffuser because it will be creating shadow. I bought the Demb Flash Diffuser Pro (DFD) altogether with my flashgun but seldom using it as I'm not sure on how to controlling the light.

Anyone here willing to share on how you use your flashgun with everyone? i-TLL as well Or perhaps Manual setting? smile.gif
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For normal/fast action event shooting, I depend primarily on the on-camera TTL, aperture priority mode. The only light modifier (besides those that come together with SB900) that I have currently is Honl 8" Speed Snoot and I'm using that quite a lot.

When I wanna get creative, I go manual. Both flash and camera settings. I've just posted some basic general rules of flash photography here. Hope that will give you some insights in controlling the lights.
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celciuz what monopod you got last time? Im thinking to get one. Can give me some of your thoughts?
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celciuz what monopod you got last time? Im thinking to get one. Can give me some of your thoughts?
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For normal/fast action event shooting, I depend primarily on the on-camera TTL, aperture priority mode. The only light modifier (besides those that come together with SB900) that I have currently is Honl 8" Speed Snoot and I'm using that quite a lot.

When I wanna get creative, I go manual. Both flash and camera settings. I've just posted some basic general rules of flash photography  here. Hope that will give you some insights in controlling the lights.
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Currently, I'm shooting most are events where people will be keep on moving (talking, gesturing, walking, etc.). One senior advised me to use Manual Flash Mode to conserve batteries. Setting at 1/4 or 1/8 depending on the scene and then adjust the power of the flash using ISO shooting in Programmed Mode. I find myself often underexpose the photos probably because I still get used to i-TTL. I have 8 rechargeable batteries anyway tongue.gif

What I'm doing now is setting the flash at i-TTL mode, even spread and setting the Flash Sync Speed at 1/250s (Auto FP) if I'm outdoor and 1/250s if I'm indoor. Usually in bright area will use i-TTL Fill Flash mode.

Anyone been doing the same or any tips on enhancing my flashgun utilization for better photos? unsure.gif

Regarding the general rules of flash from the link you given:

APERTURE CONTROLS FLASH EXPOSURE
SHUTTER SPEED CONTROLS AMBIENT EXPOSURE


How could I combine these two rules on shooting with Aperture Priority mode?
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I don't think you can do that in Aperture Priority but Manual mode.

What's that senior told you make sense, although I won't dare to go that route yet. Unless I know my equipment inside out. In any event, motions change every second and so does the lighting.

Since you got 8 batts, why don't you grab an SD9? brows.gif

Anyway, underexpose is better than over tongue.gif


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QUOTE(opfish @ Jul 22 2011, 11:11 PM)
I don't think you can do that in Aperture Priority but Manual mode.

What's that senior told you make sense, although I won't dare to go that route yet. Unless I know my equipment inside out. In any event, motions change every second and so does the lighting.

Since you got 8 batts, why don't you grab an SD9?  brows.gif

Anyway, underexpose is better than over  tongue.gif
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Hmm... but I sort of getting the idea of the rules you mentioned. Previously, I was shooting wedding dinner in a ballroom where the lighting is very poor. Then when I'm shooting the photo of group of people around a table, the background goes black as if there's no light. In a way, it can be the highlight of the participants around the table in the photo, but actually to light up the environment which is the background in my case, I'll need to step down my shutter speed. Here's where the rules of APERTURE CONTROLS FLASH EXPOSURE and SHUTTER SPEED CONTROLS AMBIENT EXPOSURE step-in smile.gif

Still can't get myself used to that Manual setting method of flash utilization, relying on i-TTL to do the magic sad.gif

SD9? No need lar... carrying separate boxes of 4 batteries each enough liao laugh.gif

Andy214 has been mentioned this a lot of times in the forum, an underexpose photo will generates more noise compared with overexposed photos.
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Hmm... but I sort of getting the idea of the rules you mentioned. Previously, I was shooting wedding dinner in a ballroom where the lighting is very poor. Then when I'm shooting the photo of group of people around a table, the background goes black as if there's no light. In a way, it can be the highlight of the participants around the table in the photo, but actually to light up the environment which is the background in my case, I'll need to step down my shutter speed. Here's where the rules of APERTURE CONTROLS FLASH EXPOSURE and SHUTTER SPEED CONTROLS AMBIENT EXPOSURE step-in smile.gif

Still can't get myself used to that Manual setting method of flash utilization, relying on i-TTL to do the magic sad.gif

SD9? No need lar... carrying separate boxes of 4 batteries each enough liao laugh.gif

Andy214 has been mentioned this a lot of times in the forum, an underexpose photo will generates more noise compared with overexposed photos.
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Yes, that is one of those moments where you need slower shutter speed. I also do that, if I want to include more ambient light, I'd switched to Manual and adjust the SS accordingly.

SD9 can refresh faster ma icon_idea.gif

I've read those posts before. Ideally you must get the exposure right each time. Under = noise (controllable, as long as not that much). Over = lose details (read blown highlights). Personally, I'd rather choose the former icon_rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(opfish @ Jul 22 2011, 11:38 PM)
Yes, that is one of those moments where you need slower shutter speed. I also do that, if I want to include more ambient light, I'd switched to Manual and adjust the SS accordingly.

SD9 can refresh faster ma  icon_idea.gif

I've read those posts before. Ideally you must get the exposure right each time. Under = noise (controllable, as long as not that much). Over = lose details (read blown highlights). Personally, I'd rather choose the former  icon_rolleyes.gif
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I shoot most on Aperture Priority and only sometime on Programmed Mode. In Aperture Priority, when I wanted to step down the SS will be lowering the ISO. Vice versa when I wanted to step up the shutter speed. However, when shooting in Aperture Priority with flashgun will go slowest 1/60 only, am I right? huh.gif

Still yet to be confident on using Manual mode. Anyway, did you utilize the Auto-ISO setting like setting your highest ISO and lowest SS? unsure.gif

The Eneelop I'm having currently sufficient of refreshing at my pace. Need not extravaganza speed. In anyway, the SB-900 heats up very fast too after blazing a few high powered shoot within a short period tongue.gif
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QUOTE(vearn27 @ Jul 22 2011, 09:39 PM)
Fellow Nikonians here, just wanted to get some pointers in using flashgun.

I have the Nikon SB-900 flashgun with me. All the while I have been relying on i-TTL, Even Flash and switching in between Flash Sync Speed 1/250s (Auto FP) and 1/250s. Been advised not to use the dome diffuser because it will be creating shadow. I bought the Demb Flash Diffuser Pro (DFD) altogether with my flashgun but seldom using it as I'm not sure on how to controlling the light.

Anyone here willing to share on how you use your flashgun with everyone? i-TLL as well Or perhaps Manual setting? smile.gif
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imo.
on camera, better to use TTL.
btw, sb900 default should be TTL BL right...which tries to balance exposure with the background.
else thats where spot metering comes in.

for manual, i would most probably only use it when 2 or more flashes are involved...so can control the ratio of light from each flash.
eg. for highkey shots.

btw, why do u set Auto FP when its also at 1/250s same as the indoor setting? theres no difference in exposure right?
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Jul 23 2011, 12:07 AM)
imo.
on camera, better to use TTL.
btw, sb900 default should be TTL BL right...which tries to balance exposure with the background.
else thats where spot metering comes in.

for manual, i would most probably only use it when 2 or more flashes are involved...so can control the ratio of light from each flash.
eg. for highkey shots.

btw, why do u set Auto FP when its also at 1/250s same as the indoor setting? theres no difference in exposure right?
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Hmm... you also been using TTL mode when shooting on camera? When shooting for events, I usually use TTL BL and matrix metering. In what kind of situation where I should switch in between spot metering, center-weighed or matrix? unsure.gif

Yet to have chance to play with multiple flashes.

Isn't 1/250s (Auto FP) is to be used when flash sync speed need to go beyond 1/250s for using fill flash in bright scene? huh.gif
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QUOTE(vearn27 @ Jul 22 2011, 11:53 PM)
I shoot most on Aperture Priority and only sometime on Programmed Mode. In Aperture Priority, when I wanted to step down the SS will be lowering the ISO. Vice versa when I wanted to step up the shutter speed. However, when shooting in Aperture Priority with flashgun will go slowest 1/60 only, am I right? huh.gif

Still yet to be confident on using Manual mode. Anyway, did you utilize the Auto-ISO setting like setting your highest ISO and lowest SS? unsure.gif

The Eneelop I'm having currently sufficient of refreshing at my pace. Need not extravaganza speed. In anyway, the SB-900 heats up very fast too after blazing a few high powered shoot within a short period tongue.gif
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That's why go Manual when the camera sees differently from what we want. Aperture Priority = we control the aperture, camera controls SS. Shutter Priority = we control shutter, camera controls aperture. 1/60 or not, I'm not too sure but I think it depends on your lens selection. I'm sure you can go slower than that if shooting wide open on a f1.4.

I'm sure you choose Programmed mode when you want to let the camera do everything and give you some guidelines on the settings rite? Same goes with Manual. Shoot in AP first (since you are mostly on that) then switch to Manual. Use the same setting and play with the SS.

I'm also using Eneloop, and I totally agree on the SB900's overheating issue.
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QUOTE(vearn27 @ Jul 23 2011, 12:20 AM)
Hmm... you also been using TTL mode when shooting on camera? When shooting for events, I usually use TTL BL and matrix metering. In what kind of situation where I should switch in between spot metering, center-weighed or matrix? unsure.gif

Yet to have chance to play with multiple flashes.

Isn't 1/250s (Auto FP) is to be used when flash sync speed need to go beyond 1/250s for using fill flash in bright scene? huh.gif
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i would just stick with center weighted.
i hardly use flash anyway, but why not just stick with TTL? afterall for events etc, u often dont get a 2nd chance to get the exposure right.

and guess i misunderstood the Auto FP.
thought u were just going to stick it at 1/250s outdoors also tongue.gif
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QUOTE(opfish @ Jul 23 2011, 12:25 AM)
That's why go Manual when the camera sees differently from what we want. Aperture Priority = we control the aperture, camera controls SS. Shutter Priority = we control shutter, camera controls aperture. 1/60 or not, I'm not too sure but I think it depends on your lens selection. I'm sure you can go slower than that if shooting wide open on a f1.4.

I'm sure you choose Programmed mode when you want to let the camera do everything and give you some guidelines on the settings rite? Same goes with Manual. Shoot in AP first (since you are mostly on that) then switch to Manual. Use the same setting and play with the SS.

I'm also using Eneloop, and I totally agree on the SB900's overheating issue.
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Shooting wide at f/1.4 isn't will make the SS go much faster? Still need to meddle on the flash setting when shooting with flash.

Nah... actually the senior advised me to use Programmed Auto therefore I try it out. He said that events photography not necessary need special effect shots but good coverage and good angles with the details will do. Only need to control the ISO sensitivity and the flash power if using Manual flash mode.

I usually shoot with Aperture Priority combined with Auto-ISO settings when I'm getting busy with the movement of the event. Depending on the scene, either set the max ISO at 800 or 1600 with the SS at 1/60 slowest. Yeap, I used the method you mentioned. Shoot with AP and then duplicate the same settings on Manual and adjust it slightly according to likeliness.

QUOTE(Everdying @ Jul 23 2011, 12:45 AM)
i would just stick with center weighted.
i hardly use flash anyway, but why not just stick with TTL? afterall for events etc, u often dont get a 2nd chance to get the exposure right.

and guess i misunderstood the Auto FP.
thought u were just going to stick it at 1/250s outdoors also tongue.gif
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Center-weighed... so far I have been sticking with Matrix instead, unless portrait I'll go center-weighed and less using spot metering.

Yeah, what I'm doing now is using TTL mode and then swing the flash head accordingly to get the bounce to lit my subject biggrin.gif

Well... sometime I forgot to adjust the Flash Sync setting therefore few of my photos will be overblown if I didn't review them properly after shooting sweat.gif
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When using flash by default it will try to lock at 1/60. You can make it slower under menu. Look for "Flash Shutter Speed" it only effects P mode and A mode.

I always go iTTL for events. If you find that the iTTL seems too much under you and always +ev on the flash unit. That would increase the over all output of the flash power. But for events with limited positions I would go manual flash. Just to practice


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it's hard to compare it side by side with 3rd party lenses. you must use it then you'll feel it.

for me it is a lens that you learn to appreciate with time. smile.gif
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Manfrotto 680B. Solid smile.gif But I suck at using monopod -.- or maybe it was wrong timing to use it haha!
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i look at the price between 680 and 681 , not much diff lol

shashinki sold 680b RM199 , 681 RM198 (as reference) , 681 able to load more weight and higher than 680b how come cheaper than 680b?

How much you bought at outside?

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Good stuff, I have a friend who goes all primes on his D60. Manual focus most of his lens, but can create magnificent images. respect.
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QUOTE(SSY22 @ Jul 23 2011, 08:57 AM)
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i look at the price between 680 and 681 , not much diff lol

shashinki sold 680b RM199 , 681 RM198 (as reference) , 681 able to load more weight and higher than 680b how come cheaper than 680b?

How much you bought at outside?
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To be frank, I can't recall the price... About shashinki's price if not mistaken.

I picked 680B because it is shorter when the monopod is kept. 681B is longer when kept.
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i got a 680 as well, bought it for basically rm150 on sale.
i would guess if u can go engtong can get much cheaper than shashinki also.
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QUOTE(vearn27 @ Jul 22 2011, 10:45 PM)
Currently, I'm shooting most are events where people will be keep on moving (talking, gesturing, walking, etc.). One senior advised me to use Manual Flash Mode to conserve batteries. Setting at 1/4 or 1/8 depending on the scene and then adjust the power of the flash using ISO shooting in Programmed Mode. I find myself often underexpose the photos probably because I still get used to i-TTL. I have 8 rechargeable batteries anyway tongue.gif
Using manual power at 1/8 or /14 indeed saves power but I use it when I want fill light only. That would mean that under low light, I would probably use f/2.8 at a little higher ISO for main exposure and the flash will only lift shadows on the subject. The flash function in this case would not be used as the main source of light.

QUOTE(opfish @ Jul 22 2011, 11:11 PM)
Anyway, underexpose is better than over  tongue.gif
If the OP shot in RAW, recovery would be better if the picture was overexposed. You can still get back overblown details and not bring up undesired noise if you were in underexposed in the first place. I think with LR and shooting JPGs, this is also preferred method.

QUOTE(vearn27 @ Jul 22 2011, 11:27 PM)
Hmm... but I sort of getting the idea of the rules you mentioned. Previously, I was shooting wedding dinner in a ballroom where the lighting is very poor. Then when I'm shooting the photo of group of people around a table, the background goes black as if there's no light. In a way, it can be the highlight of the participants around the table in the photo, but actually to light up the environment which is the background in my case, I'll need to step down my shutter speed. Here's where the rules of APERTURE CONTROLS FLASH EXPOSURE and SHUTTER SPEED CONTROLS AMBIENT EXPOSURE step-in smile.gif

Still can't get myself used to that Manual setting method of flash utilization, relying on i-TTL to do the magic sad.gif

SD9? No need lar... carrying separate boxes of 4 batteries each enough liao laugh.gif

Andy214 has been mentioned this a lot of times in the forum, an underexpose photo will generates more noise compared with overexposed photos.
Don't know if you have tried this... I use manual exposure on the camera body and let the flash be in TTL-BL or TTL if you're in spot metering.

First, I meter the dimly lit background by using spot meter on the camera in aperture or shutter priority (whichever suites you). Even easier now since you have a f/2.8 lens. Note what aperture and shutter values. I notice that I get about 1/30s, f/2.8 @ISO1600 for a typically dim wedding dinner environment. Perhaps you can tone down and put a little underexposure in the background by half a stop or so and arrive at ISO 1000 perhaps or stay at ISO 1600 and stop down aperture to f/3.2 or f/3.5. Fire away and the flash in TTL mode should take care bring the picture (including background) up to correct exposure.

In a wide angle setting, your main subjects should all be in focus at f/2.8 with the exception of the background. But then again, that should be ok since you only want to expose the background to see what's going without wanting the background to be tact sharp.
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First time I see a four legged subject photographed by you.  biggrin.gif
Using manual power at 1/8 or /14 indeed saves power but I use it when I want fill light only. That would mean that under low light, I would probably use f/2.8 at a little higher ISO for main exposure and the flash will only lift shadows on the subject. The flash function in this case would not be used as the main source of light.
If the OP shot in RAW, recovery would be better if the picture was overexposed. You can still get back overblown details and not bring up undesired noise if you were in underexposed in the first place. I think with LR and shooting JPGs, this is also preferred method.
Don't know if you have tried this... I use manual exposure on the camera body and let the flash be in TTL-BL or TTL if you're in spot metering.

First, I meter the dimly lit background by using spot meter on the camera in aperture or shutter priority (whichever suites you). Even easier now since you have a f/2.8 lens. Note what aperture and shutter values. I notice that I get about 1/30s, f/2.8 @ISO1600 for a typically dim wedding dinner environment. Perhaps you can tone down and put a little underexposure in the background by half a stop or so and arrive at ISO 1000 perhaps or stay at ISO 1600 and stop down aperture to f/3.2 or f/3.5. Fire away and the flash in TTL mode should take care bring the picture (including background) up to correct exposure.

In a wide angle setting, your main subjects should all be in focus at f/2.8 with the exception of the background. But then again, that should be ok since you only want to expose the background to see what's going without wanting the background to be tact sharp.
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Jul 22 2011, 07:00 PM)
yea, weaknesses...
indoor shooting with the lighting conditions, i wonder if the likes of tamron is able to focus properly or not.
and especially if the kids run around, i doubt the tamron can lock focus fast enough.
if like that, imo even cheaper nikons say the 16-85 or even *ancient* 18-70 would be a better choice...
or even the 50mm 1.8G tongue.gif
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Why not; As I said, there're pro wedding photographers using it, I think kytz also mention one pro photographer using it. Anyway, it's not that bad until it's not usable, just that you need to learn how to utilize your tools; Better tools, surely helps, save time, trouble, hassle and the disappointment (e.g. getting out of focus shots due to inaccuracy, not able to capture the moment).

As for 16-85 and 18-70, as I reply to isepunye posting, for people looking for f/2.8 equivalent, they would not have look here. Anyway, nobody is saying the 3rd party is superior, just an option/alternative.


QUOTE(vearn27 @ Jul 22 2011, 08:24 PM)
Poor gid, he was asking for more opinions between selecting a 17-55 and 24-70 ended up in a long debate between Everdying and Andy214. Well, I'm not trying to side neither sides nor saying who's correct because it's all opinions and individual preferences.

However, please do note that there are good 3rd party lenses that could be better compared with Nikkor lenses. One good example would be Sigma's 50mm f/1.4 which is generally known it's sharper than Nikkor 50mm f/1.4. For this example, the Sigma's 50mm f/1.4 or known as Sigmalux is priced higher than Nikkor's.
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I think the debate is in "proper discussion" manner, it good for information sharing and clearing any misunderstanding. In non-malaysian forum, it's very normal especially long replies. Honestly, I start internet from those forums, so I'm already use to it; just try not to make it into personal issue which tends to happen in forums. I would see this is positive and constructive.

Anyway, actually, for 3rd party, if you read reviews around, there're few 3rd party that were highly recommended.
1. Sigma 50mm f/1.4
2. Tamron 17-50mm f/2.8 (You can read most reviews will give high recommendation on this)
3. Tamron SP90 f/2.8 (Tough, the price against the Nikkor, is MUCH LESS difference compared to 17-50 Tamron VS 17-55 Nikkor)
The Tamron in this case, extends during focusing, it's MUCH SLOWER; To be honest, it's a much worst recommendation comparing Tamron 17-50mm f/2.8 and Nikkor 17-55mm f/2.8;
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So, you see, recommending the 3rd party is VERY COMMON; If you have to know, go read others and see how others debate over it. Honestly, I just give a small suggestion/alternative based on the "SCENARIO" provided and what the person is use for, in other forums, you'll read even more "strong" debate.

Anyway, I've made it clear, and I'm just "simply" suggesting a 3rd party, it's not a crime. If it makes anyone unhappy, I'm truly sorry for that. I did not say Nikkor version is not good or anything, just stating my personal opinion on the price and altervatives, it's purely personal opinion, anyone may disagree, but hope anyone don't get "unpleasant" over it.

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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Jul 23 2011, 12:27 PM)
Why not; As I said, there're pro wedding photographers using it, I think kytz also mention one pro photographer using it. Anyway, it's not that bad until it's not usable, just that you need to learn how to utilize your tools; Better tools, surely helps, save time, trouble, hassle and the disappointment (e.g. getting out of focus shots due to inaccuracy, not able to capture the moment).

As for 16-85 and 18-70, as I reply to isepunye posting, for people looking for f/2.8 equivalent, they would not have look here. Anyway, nobody is saying the 3rd party is superior, just an option/alternative.
I think the debate is in "proper discussion" manner, it good for information sharing and clearing any misunderstanding. In non-malaysian forum, it's very normal especially long replies. Honestly, I start internet from those forums, so I'm already use to it; just try not to make it into personal issue which tends to happen in forums. I would see this is positive and constructive.

Anyway, actually, for 3rd party, if you read reviews around, there're few 3rd party that were highly recommended.
1. Sigma 50mm f/1.4
2. Tamron 17-50mm f/2.8 (You can read most reviews will give high recommendation on this)
3. Tamron SP90 f/2.8 (Tough, the price against the Nikkor, is MUCH LESS difference compared to 17-50 Tamron VS 17-55 Nikkor)
The Tamron in this case, extends during focusing, it's MUCH SLOWER; To be honest, it's a much worst recommendation comparing Tamron 17-50mm f/2.8 and Nikkor 17-55mm f/2.8;
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So, you see, recommending the 3rd party is VERY COMMON; If you have to know, go read others and see how others debate over it. Honestly, I just give a small suggestion/alternative based on the "SCENARIO" provided and what the person is use for, in other forums, you'll read even more "strong" debate.

Anyway, I've made it clear, and I'm just "simply" suggesting a 3rd party, it's not a crime. If it makes anyone unhappy, I'm truly sorry for that. I did not say Nikkor version is not good or anything, just stating my personal opinion on the price and altervatives, it's purely personal opinion, anyone may disagree, but hope anyone don't get "unpleasant" over it.
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To be frank, I have seen some wedding photo shots slightly OOF and all. It just boils to how much they care... sometimes as long they get the moment, slightly oof and all is ok. Some people demand more some people demand less. Up to the user and client, most of them can't differentiate between sharp and slightly OOF anyways.

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Jul 23 2011, 12:37 PM)
To be frank, I have seen some wedding photo shots slightly OOF and all. It just boils to how much they care... sometimes as long they get the moment, slightly oof and all is ok. Some people demand more some people demand less. Up to the user and client, most of them can't differentiate between sharp and slightly OOF anyways.
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True, but for wedding or job (especially paid ones), I would highly recommend use the better tools, no doubt; But then, even with better tools, it doesn't mean the anyone can get the best results; In the end, it still boils down to the person's technique/skill.

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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Jul 23 2011, 12:49 PM)
True, but for wedding or job (especially paid ones), I would highly recommend use the better tools, no doubt; But then, even with better tools, it doesn't mean the anyone can get the best results; In the end, it still boils down to the person's technique/skill.
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I kinda viewed some of my friend and also relatives wedding album and all... back then before I started photography, I just look at the image... but nowadays I look at composition, color, sharpness etc etc... find some of them really lousy quality :S.
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QUOTE(celciuz @ Jul 23 2011, 12:54 PM)
I kinda viewed some of my friend and also relatives wedding album and all... back then before I started photography, I just look at the image... but nowadays I look at composition, color, sharpness etc etc... find some of them really lousy quality :S.
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Haha, yea, last time, those wedding pictures I was impressed before, look back, omg, notice so many things. guess when we move onto photography, we learn and see more details, even when I see some of my friends wedding photo/album, there can be a lot to comment. Previously, talked to one wedding photographer, he mentioned 'some' wedding studios they use very old body, and have very old or cheap lense (e.g. kit lens), some may have the 50 f/1.8d. Anyway, if they can produce great result then it doesn't really matter, but if not, I feel its not fair to those who paid high price for their package.
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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Jul 23 2011, 12:27 PM)
3. Tamron SP90 f/2.8 (Tough, the price against the Nikkor, is MUCH LESS difference compared to 17-50 Tamron VS 17-55 Nikkor)
The Tamron in this case, extends during focusing, it's MUCH SLOWER; To be honest, it's a much worst recommendation comparing Tamron 17-50mm f/2.8 and Nikkor 17-55mm f/2.8;
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Yeah, the price difference is not as wide but again, I'm more interested in quality you can get from 3rd party. You cannot differentiate them apart if you put their pics side by side.

QUOTE(Andy214 @ Jul 23 2011, 12:27 PM)
Anyway, I've made it clear, and I'm just "simply" suggesting a 3rd party, it's not a crime. If it makes anyone unhappy, I'm truly sorry for that. I did not say Nikkor version is not good or anything, just stating my personal opinion on the price and altervatives, it's purely personal opinion, anyone may disagree, but hope anyone don't get "unpleasant" over it.
Voicing out different opinions is fine when done civilised. It's all good to make sure all the basics are covered as target audience is very wide. One suggestion may not always be the best for certain people.

QUOTE(SSY22 @ Jul 23 2011, 12:33 PM)
^Andy , i think is heartpatrick using tamron 17-50.
Actually, I would be interested in 100% crops of his shots wide open. But then again, his composition skills makes up more for anything else.

QUOTE(Andy214 @ Jul 23 2011, 12:49 PM)
True, but for wedding or job (especially paid ones), I would highly recommend use the better tools, no doubt; But then, even with better tools, it doesn't mean the anyone can get the best results; In the end, it still boils down to the person's technique/skill.
I agree. biggrin.gif

On a side note, I was surprised to see that the 18-70 was still being used as one of UK's pro wedding photographer that was featured in DCM's June edition. Of course body is D3 / D700. Again, good composition is everything and what separates the pros from the rest.

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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jul 23 2011, 02:20 PM)
Yeah, the price difference is not as wide but again, I'm more interested in quality you can get from 3rd party. You cannot differentiate them apart if you put their pics side by side.
Voicing out different opinions is fine when done civilised. It's all good to make sure all the basics are covered as target audience is very wide. One suggestion may not always be the best for certain people.
Actually, I would be interested in 100% crops of his shots wide open. But then again, his composition skills makes up more for anything else.
I agree.  biggrin.gif

On a side note, I was surprised to see that the 18-70 was still being used as one of UK's pro wedding photographer that was featured in DCM's June edition. Of course body is D3 / D700. Again, good composition is everything and what separates the pros from the rest.
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The Tamron SP90mm f/2.8 VS Nikkor 105mm f/2.8G Micro AF-S has quite a lot of difference; Probably it's more suited to compare with the f/2.8D? The G version is a great piece of glass, fast and accurate focusing, it doesn't extend (Internal Focus and Silent), comes with VR; The main issue is probably the focus breathing which can be an issue for serious macro shooters.
The Tammy version extends very long, it's slow and less accurate, etc; Comparing with the Nikkor, it's actually quite a big difference;
If to compare this comparison with the 17-50 equivalent, this has more reasons/points to go choose Nikkor version (personal opinion).

For the 17-50mm f/2.8 Tamron, the sharpness is actually pretty good wide-open; The main issue is the slower focus, hunting in low light and inaccurate focus in low light, for those using for jobs or wedding, this is important as the higher chances of getting the wrong focus will ruin your work.
That said, it doesn't guarantee that using the best available will guarantee perfect focus; As my previous post, when I review back some photos, I notice it was taken with Canon's very own 17-50mm f/2.8, I see many OOF and soft issue; And another wedding photographer I know, which is using Tamron version, took quite a lot of nice shots (altough I did not review his picture in 100% crops).
In the end, it's depends on the photographer utilize and making use of his tools, however, a better tool would help to photographer to achieve better result.

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Jul 23 2011, 12:37 PM)
To be frank, I have seen some wedding photo shots slightly OOF and all. It just boils to how much they care... sometimes as long they get the moment, slightly oof and all is ok. Some people demand more some people demand less. Up to the user and client, most of them can't differentiate between sharp and slightly OOF anyways.
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Well if its OOF we can always claim, its artistic =.=
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Most of the time i am using to take food, portrait and scene...

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Guise, Nikon 16-35mm F4 as walkaround lens? what say you? hmm.gif

Atm im using nikon 24-85mm F2.8-4 as my walkaround, thinking of upgrading (or downgrading kot laugh.gif)

or maybe just go for 24-120mm F4? im on D90 btw tongue.gif
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QUOTE(michealelsie @ Jul 23 2011, 05:13 PM)
Hi all, I am planning to get a D5100 but i dont know whether should i go for the 18-55mm kit lens package or just get the Body + AFS 50mm F1.8 or 35mm

Most of the time i am using to take food, portrait and scene...
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Well, if you shoot food and portrait then 50mm f/1.8G is good, but if scenery you might appreciate something wider which the kit lens 18-55 will offer you.

QUOTE(gnome @ Jul 23 2011, 06:27 PM)
Guise, Nikon 16-35mm F4 as walkaround lens? what say you? hmm.gif

Atm im using nikon 24-85mm F2.8-4 as my walkaround, thinking of upgrading (or downgrading kot laugh.gif)

or maybe just go for 24-120mm F4? im on D90 btw tongue.gif
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I think the 28-85 is a better walkabout lens, more range. The 16-35 is quite limited to be honest.
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QUOTE(vearn27 @ Jul 22 2011, 08:24 PM)
Poor gid, he was asking for more opinions between selecting a 17-55 and 24-70 ended up in a long debate between Everdying and Andy214. Well, I'm not trying to side neither sides nor saying who's correct because it's all opinions and individual preferences.

Before I sum 17-55 vs 24-70 on which could be better, let's sum up the Original Nikkor Lenses vs 3rd Party Lenses:

Nikkor Lenses (Original Nikon Products)

Pros

  • Generally sharper?
  • Generally better color contrast?
  • Generally faster focus
  • Better focus accuracy
  • Better built quality
  • Less likely of front/back focusing problem
  • Generally high resale value but not all
  • Less noisy auto-focus motor (for AF-S lenses)
Cons

  • Very expensive
  • Some lenses has lower resale value which would cause bad resale value ratio
3rd Party Lenses (Sigma, Tamron, Tokina)

Pros

  • Generally slower focus and some very slow
  • Not so accurate focus
  • Chances of focus hunting in low light
  • Built quality not as great as Nikkor lenses
  • Likelihood of front/back focusing problem
  • Some has noisy auto-focus motor (for AF-S lenses)
Cons

  • Cheaper alternative than original Nikkor lenses (some even cheaper by 3x~4x)
  • People tend to prefer 2nd hand Nikkor than 2nd hand 3rd party lenses?
That's what I could collect from the debate smile.gif

However, please do note that there are good 3rd party lenses that could be better compared with Nikkor lenses. One good example would be Sigma's 50mm f/1.4 which is generally known it's sharper than Nikkor 50mm f/1.4. For this example, the Sigma's 50mm f/1.4 or known as Sigmalux is priced higher than Nikkor's.
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To sum up, Nikkor = better, third party = cheaper. Well, on the 50mm case, the more expensive, the better.

Still, I believe it's better to buy the 17-55 if you are on DX, and 24-70 if you are on FX. As simple as that.
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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Jul 23 2011, 03:46 PM)
The Tamron SP90mm f/2.8 VS Nikkor 105mm f/2.8G Micro AF-S has quite a lot of difference; Probably it's more suited to compare with the f/2.8D? The G version is a great piece of glass, fast and accurate focusing, it doesn't extend (Internal Focus and Silent), comes with VR; The main issue is probably the focus breathing which can be an issue for serious macro shooters.

The Tammy version extends very long, it's slow and less accurate, etc; Comparing with the Nikkor, it's actually quite a big difference;
If to compare this comparison with the 17-50 equivalent, this has more reasons/points to go choose Nikkor version (personal opinion).
Agreed there. So a Nikkor micro lens then? biggrin.gif

If on budget, you make compromises with 3rd party lenses. Depending on certain people, some compromises are more important to certain people and some not. If I were to make compromises, image quality would be the last thing I would compromise. Given the shortcomings of the 3rd party lens and if I had a low budget, I would take the Tamron macro. But then, I'm no macro person...

QUOTE(Andy214 @ Jul 23 2011, 03:46 PM)
For the 17-50mm f/2.8 Tamron, the sharpness is actually pretty good wide-open;  The main issue is the slower focus, hunting in low light and inaccurate focus in low light, for those using for jobs or wedding, this is important as the higher chances of getting the wrong focus will ruin your work.
Ok. With macro, speed is no issue. But a wide angle lens for general wedding needs to function and focus fast. No point having the best glass when you cannot capture the moment. I guess that's the reason why people don't use a manual focus Zeiss for wedding.

So again, speed and hence accuracy is being compromised here. It's up to the person if he/she thinks that saving some money is worth the compromise.

QUOTE(michealelsie @ Jul 23 2011, 05:13 PM)
Hi all, I am planning to get a D5100 but i dont know whether should i go for the 18-55mm kit lens package or just get the Body + AFS 50mm F1.8 or 35mm

Most of the time i am using to take food, portrait and scene...
Jumping straight to a fixed prime lens require lots of discipline and restraint. You must already have an idea what you want to shoot when you use a prime so that you can plan ahead. If not, it would be a very frustrating experience.

My suggestion? Stick with kit lens first. Be familiar with the camera controls and find your real niche by using your kit lens. Then go for the lens that would best suite your shooting style and would help you in achieving best results in the type of photography you want to do. Like celciuz mentioned, for scenery photos, you would require a wider lens. The kit lens would work out good as a general purpose lens.

QUOTE(gnome @ Jul 23 2011, 06:27 PM)
Guise, Nikon 16-35mm F4 as walkaround lens? what say you? hmm.gif

Atm im using nikon 24-85mm F2.8-4 as my walkaround, thinking of upgrading (or downgrading kot laugh.gif)

or maybe just go for 24-120mm F4? im on D90 btw tongue.gif
If you're already used to the 24-85 range, the 24-120mm f/4 VR should be an excellent replacement I think. But if you feel that you want wider, you need to look at something else. I guess the 16-35mm f/4 range can work out fine on a DX body but at the end of the day, your shooting style must still ngam with that focal range. Else, no point also.
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jul 24 2011, 01:03 AM)
Agreed there. So a Nikkor micro lens then?  biggrin.gif

If on budget, you make compromises with 3rd party lenses. Depending on certain people, some compromises are more important to certain people and some not. If I were to make compromises, image quality would be the last thing I would compromise. Given the shortcomings of the 3rd party lens and if I had a low budget, I would take the Tamron macro. But then, I'm no macro person...

Ok. With macro, speed is no issue. But a wide angle lens for general wedding needs to function and focus fast. No point having the best glass when you cannot capture the moment. I guess that's the reason why people don't use a manual focus Zeiss for wedding.

So again, speed and hence accuracy is being compromised here. It's up to the person if he/she thinks that saving some money is worth the compromise.
Yup, it depends on how the person weight the weakness and make compromises. For weddings, events, the speed and accuracy is important which meant getting higher hit accurate hit rate and capturing the moment; thus if one is paid, there's no excuse to go cheap solution, people are paying a big amount for their big day.

As for the macro lens, I believe many don't just use it for macro purpose; It can be a great portrait lens as well, thus, the accuracy and speed is useful; As for macro, the "extension" for Tamron SP90 is, pretty long, and it's also kind of noisy and slow. It may not be an issue if all macro lens are the same, but once use the Nikkor 105mm f/2.8G, it's so much different... it's about 2X more, but you're getting a whole lots of difference, including image quality. As another plus, it serves as a great portrait lens, with VRII, accurate and fast focusing. This is purely my personal take, you may find others supporting the Tamron SP90, just like many others supporting the Tamron 17-50mm (although, technically I'm not supporting Tamron 17-50 over the Nikkors 17-55)



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Yup, it depends on how the person weight the weakness and make compromises. For weddings, events, the speed and accuracy is important which meant getting higher hit accurate hit rate and capturing the moment; thus if one is paid, there's no excuse to go cheap solution, people are paying a big amount for their big day.

As for the macro lens, I believe many don't just use it for macro purpose; It can be a great portrait lens as well, thus, the accuracy and speed is useful; As for macro, the "extension" for Tamron SP90 is, pretty long, and it's also kind of noisy and slow. It may not be an issue if all macro lens are the same, but once use the Nikkor 105mm f/2.8G, it's so much different... it's about 2X more, but you're getting a whole lots of difference, including image quality. As another plus, it serves as a great portrait lens, with VRII, accurate and fast focusing. This is purely my personal take, you may find others supporting the Tamron SP90, just like many others supporting the Tamron 17-50mm (although, technically I'm not supporting Tamron 17-50 over the Nikkors 17-55)
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Used friend's 105 VR before he finally sold it off, basically the focus is slow (I think slower than my 85mm f/1.4G!). I don't remember how slow the SP90 is, been ages since I came across one of them.

QUOTE(FaezFarhan @ Jul 24 2011, 06:10 AM)
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o_O 24-70 seriously?
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nikon rumors said there will be 2 bodies coming up very very soon...
ani idea wat will it be...?
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nikon rumors said there will be 2 bodies coming up very very soon...
ani idea wat will it be...?
btw...
ordered my drybox but it jz got delayed...
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D3s and D300s replacement I would say biggrin.gif. 1 pro FX body and 1 DX body for 2012 Olympics.
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QUOTE(celciuz @ Jul 24 2011, 10:09 AM)
Used friend's 105 VR before he finally sold it off, basically the focus is slow (I think slower than my 85mm f/1.4G!). I don't remember how slow the SP90 is, been ages since I came across one of them.
o_O 24-70 seriously?
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Its fast for macro lens actually, macro has very long focus ring. If you put to full focus, it'll take longer time, for normal use, switch to limit, its pretty fast, especially if you have pre-focus, it'll lock on like a snap! Anyway, this lens might not be use for action, more for macro and portrait, for portrait, the focus speed is good enough.

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Hi Guys, i using D90 and recently i found out that when i shot indoor, the cam seems like produce inconsistent WB. when outdoor it seems fine...
below is the pic. taken using the same setting with N50 1.4. however, outcome produce is diff. WB. some with partial yellowish taken with same angle.

1-1st:
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1-2nd :
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1-3rd:
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2-1st user posted image

2-2nd user posted image

2-3rd user posted image

3-1st user posted image

3-2nd user posted image

3-3rd user posted image

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Pls advice whats wrong with my D90...... cry.gif
thanks in advance....

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o_O 24-70 seriously?
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Coz I was using only Tammy 17-50 only before haha. It's was bot that sharp as I expected tho. But the D3, I just love the body smile.gif
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QUOTE(e_k1117 @ Jul 24 2011, 01:53 PM)
Hi Guys, i using D90 and recently i found out that when i shot indoor, the cam seems like produce inconsistent WB. when outdoor it seems fine...
below is the pic. taken using the same setting with N50 1.4. however, outcome produce is diff. WB. some with partial yellowish taken with same angle.

Pls advice whats wrong with my D90......  cry.gif
thanks in advance....
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i have the same condition like u if i am shooting in frameburst mode. every picture's white balance is different. i don't know why cry.gif
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i have the same condition like u if i am shooting in frameburst mode. every picture's white balance is different. i don't know why  cry.gif
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mine one shot in single mode also happen this issue la.... cry.gif icon_question.gif
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QUOTE(e_k1117 @ Jul 24 2011, 01:53 PM)
Hi Guys, i using D90 and recently i found out that when i shot indoor, the cam seems like produce inconsistent WB. when outdoor it seems fine...
below is the pic. taken using the same setting with N50 1.4. however, outcome produce is diff. WB. some with partial yellowish taken with same angle.
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


Pls advice whats wrong with my D90......  cry.gif
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QUOTE(xbbshampoo @ Jul 24 2011, 02:50 PM)
i have the same condition like u if i am shooting in frameburst mode. every picture's white balance is different. i don't know why  cry.gif
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this problem has been discussed in LYN before. I do not know how to explain in technical way. As for my understanding a normal 220/240v fluorescents are on 50/60Hz which means it's blinking 50 or 60 times a second.. Base on your pics EXIF you're shooting on 1/200s means your shutter is faster than the blinks.. In human eye we can't capture the "blinks" that fast so we will see only white light in our eye.

example below

Let's brake the 1 second to 5 which means we only see the first 10 blinks in fluorescent light

1/5 second
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1st blink ---> 2nd blink --> 3rd blink --> 4th blink --> 5th blink --> 6th blink --> etc
___^___________^___________^____________^
Yr 1st Shot! 2nd shot 3rd shot 4th shot

1st shot the light is white... 2nd shot the light is white.. 3rd shot the light started to turns to green and 4th shot you got most green.. because between the blink the light will turn to green...

above is just an example you might shot in between 20th --> 21st blink..

That is why SB-900 flashlight provide a green gel filter for shooting under fluorescent..

If you the green disappear try to shoot slower than 30/s.. it will have enough time to capture 25-30 blinks so the green will not that obvious..

correct me if i'm wrong..

apologize for my poor english grammar..

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PLEASE SPOILER THE PICTURE DURING REPLYING THE PICTURES POST. THANKS. smile.gif
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QUOTE(lighter @ Jul 24 2011, 03:56 PM)
this problem has been discussed in LYN before. I do not know how to explain in technical way. As for my understanding a normal 220/240v fluorescents are on 50/60Hz which means it's blinking 50 or 60 times a second.. Base on your pics EXIF you're shooting on 1/200s means your shutter is faster than the blinks.. In human eye we can't capture the "blinks" that fast so we will see only white light in our eye.

example below

Let's brake the 1 second to 5 which means we only see the first 10 blinks in fluorescent light

1/5 second
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1st blink ---> 2nd blink --> 3rd blink --> 4th blink --> 5th blink --> 6th blink --> etc
___^___________^___________^____________^
Yr 1st Shot!      2nd shot          3rd shot          4th shot

1st shot the light is white... 2nd shot the light is white.. 3rd shot the light started to turns to green and 4th shot you got most green.. because between the blink the light will turn to green...

above is just an example you might shot in between 20th --> 21st blink..

That is why SB-900 flashlight provide a green gel filter for shooting under fluorescent..

If you the green disappear try to shoot slower than 30/s.. it will have enough time to capture 25-30 blinks so the green will not that obvious..

correct me if i'm wrong..

apologize for my poor english grammar..
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Hi bro lighter, does it mean that my D90's ok? how i should test whether it my body prob or wat?
pls advice. thanks
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Hi bro lighter, does it mean that my D90's ok? how i should test whether it my body prob or wat?
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It is normal, basically your DSLR is not fast enough to change the WB due to the fluorescent light flickering nature.
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Hi bro lighter, does it mean that my D90's ok? how i should test whether it my body prob or wat?
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that's not a problem.. even d3x will have the same problem..


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PLEASE SPOILER THE PICTURE DURING REPLYING THE PICTURES POST. THANKS.  smile.gif
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ok.. edited with spoiler.. FYI even the picture in spoiler.. it will still load first before you open.. means there will be no difference.. wink.gif

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so what is the suitable s/speed to avoid this kind of issue? 1/80? or below?
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that's not a problem.. even d3x will have the same problem..


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ok.. edited with spoiler.. FYI even the picture in spoiler.. it will still load first before you open.. means there will be no difference..  wink.gif
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not really for mobile viewer, and it is saving my energy to scroll freaking long page in pathetic resolution. smile.gif
in spoiler they wont load the picture first unless you open it.
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so what is the suitable s/speed to avoid this kind of issue? 1/80? or below?
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Which mode(s) you guys usually use when shooting an event? unsure.gif

I still use Aperture Priority mode for most of my shooting. However, seniors I know recommending me to shoot with Programmed Auto mode to save time on adjusting settings and to ensure all shots are sharp.

When I'm using Programmed Auto mode, the aperture will be set at 7.1 the most. Shooting just a few shots will ended up my SB-900 overheated on i-TTL BL mode sweat.gif

How would you guys set your DSLR and flashgun when shooting an event?
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Which mode(s) you guys usually use when shooting an event? unsure.gif

I still use Aperture Priority mode for most of my shooting. However, seniors I know recommending me to shoot with Programmed Auto mode to save time on adjusting settings and to ensure all shots are sharp.

When I'm using Programmed Auto mode, the aperture will be set at 7.1 the most. Shooting just a few shots will ended up my SB-900 overheated on i-TTL BL mode sweat.gif

How would you guys set your DSLR and flashgun when shooting an event?
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Manual or Aperture mode, flash? Usually TTL, TTL-BL when I shoot direct flash.
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Manual or Aperture mode, flash? Usually TTL, TTL-BL when I shoot direct flash.
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You have sufficient time to set your Manual settings or one exposure setting for the entire event? blink.gif

How about using the flash for fill-flash, TTL and TTL-BL as well? Did you ever face SB-900 reaching its overheat limits in your event shooting experience?

My SB-900 already get overheated after multiple exposures at f/5 ~ f/7.1 and I'm getting worry if I continuously reaching its limit will cause the unit to be faulty sweat.gif
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You have sufficient time to set your Manual settings or one exposure setting for the entire event? blink.gif

How about using the flash for fill-flash, TTL and TTL-BL as well? Did you ever face SB-900 reaching its overheat limits in your event shooting experience?

My SB-900 already get overheated after multiple exposures at f/5 ~ f/7.1 and I'm getting worry if I continuously reaching its limit will cause the unit to be faulty sweat.gif
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Well, if you rajin, can set to M and slowly change.

If not, can set a A mode and just adjust the aperture.

For me, I let the Flash on TTL, let it decide itself while I manually tweak the aperture.
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You have sufficient time to set your Manual settings or one exposure setting for the entire event? blink.gif

How about using the flash for fill-flash, TTL and TTL-BL as well? Did you ever face SB-900 reaching its overheat limits in your event shooting experience?

My SB-900 already get overheated after multiple exposures at f/5 ~ f/7.1 and I'm getting worry if I continuously reaching its limit will cause the unit to be faulty sweat.gif
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Nope... depends la. If the condition some parts dark some parts bright then I use aperture. else its manual.

My SB900 rarely overheat..
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QUOTE(chiahau @ Jul 24 2011, 09:59 PM)
Well, if you rajin, can set to M and slowly change.

If not, can set a A mode and just adjust the aperture.

For me, I let the Flash on TTL, let it decide itself while I manually tweak the aperture.
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It's about whether "rajin" or not, but rather "sempat tak?" in a event where movements change swiftly and required to capture the moments at best possible.

QUOTE(celciuz @ Jul 24 2011, 10:00 PM)
Nope... depends la. If the condition some parts dark some parts bright then I use aperture. else its manual.

My SB900 rarely overheat..
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When I shoot 6~7 shots in a short period of time on group photo or quick movement of the event @ f/5 ~ f/7.1 ISO800 (inside house), my SB-900 will reach its max heat on TTL or TTL-BL sweat.gif

Well, the aperture value automatically goes to f/5 ~ f/7.1 when I use Programmed Auto mode.
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It's about whether "rajin" or not, but rather "sempat tak?" in a event where movements change swiftly and required to capture the moments at best possible.
When I shoot 6~7 shots in a short period of time on group photo or quick movement of the event @ f/5 ~ f/7.1 ISO800 (inside house), my SB-900 will reach its max heat on TTL or TTL-BL sweat.gif

Well, the aperture value automatically goes to f/5 ~ f/7.1 when I use Programmed Auto mode.
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Sure.. you're talking indoor, and what was your shutter speed?
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Sure.. you're talking indoor, and what was your shutter speed?
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Sure as in you also reach your SB-900 overheat limit when you shoot indoor? My SS was 1/60.
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This time I'm taking group shot inside house, therefore the background is wall doesn't has dark background unlike ballroom. A couple of blast @ f/7.1, ISO800, SS 1/60 with flash at TTL, the SB-900 overheat immediately sweat.gif
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Increasing the ISO will make the flash require less power to lit the subject right? hmm.gif

Also a friend of mine who's a event photographer (mostly those corporate events) said his technique for flash is to set it at 1/4 or 1/2 of the power then just change the aperture accordingly...works best if have big aperture lens obviously. I havent tried it myself so cant really comment laugh.gif
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This time I'm taking group shot inside house, therefore the background is wall doesn't has dark background unlike ballroom. A couple of blast @ f/7.1, ISO800, SS 1/60 with flash at TTL, the SB-900 overheat immediately sweat.gif
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Use bigger aperture, so that your flash output need not be that powerful smile.gif
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QUOTE(vearn27 @ Jul 24 2011, 10:13 PM)
It's about whether "rajin" or not, but rather "sempat tak?" in a event where movements change swiftly and required to capture the moments at best possible.
When I shoot 6~7 shots in a short period of time on group photo or quick movement of the event @ f/5 ~ f/7.1 ISO800 (inside house), my SB-900 will reach its max heat on TTL or TTL-BL sweat.gif

Well, the aperture value automatically goes to f/5 ~ f/7.1 when I use Programmed Auto mode.
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Well, if you are good, using M all the way is no problem.

At least, for me. Just need some tweak here and there but generally, if its an important shoot, just use A for safety.
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QUOTE(gnome @ Jul 24 2011, 11:08 PM)
Increasing the ISO will make the flash require less power to lit the subject right? hmm.gif

Also a friend of mine who's a event photographer (mostly those corporate events) said his technique for flash is to set it at 1/4 or 1/2 of the power then just change the aperture accordingly...works best if have big aperture lens obviously. I havent tried it myself so cant really comment laugh.gif
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Yeap. In fact using bigger aperture, lowering shutter speed and increasing ISO will make the flash require less power.

Your friend's technique is indeed correct. I have met a senior that he taught me on how to use Manual setting for flash instead of relying on TTL. Setting the flash either at 1/2, 1/4 or 1/8 depending on the environment lighting, then adjust the ISO accordingly to each shot. In anyway, bigger aperture do help in lowering the flash power but we couldn't go way too low for group shooting where we need to get everyone in focus.

QUOTE(-kytz- @ Jul 24 2011, 11:12 PM)
Use bigger aperture, so that your flash output need not be that powerful smile.gif
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Again, we couldn't go too low for group shooting, isn't?

QUOTE(chiahau @ Jul 24 2011, 11:27 PM)
Well, if you are good, using M all the way is no problem.

At least, for me. Just need some tweak here and there but generally, if its an important shoot, just use A for safety.
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Then I would be honest enough to say I'm not there by any chance sweat.gif

I would prefer to focus on the event and movement than changing my M settings for each shot especially in an environment where you did not get even lighting.
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Which mode(s) you guys usually use when shooting an event? unsure.gif

I still use Aperture Priority mode for most of my shooting. However, seniors I know recommending me to shoot with Programmed Auto mode to save time on adjusting settings and to ensure all shots are sharp.

When I'm using Programmed Auto mode, the aperture will be set at 7.1 the most. Shooting just a few shots will ended up my SB-900 overheated on i-TTL BL mode sweat.gif

How would you guys set your DSLR and flashgun when shooting an event?
If you are already using f/2.8 lens and set at a wide angle of say 17 or 18mm, you can take a group shot of 6 people or so side by side and stand about 7 feet away from them. That gives you a total DoF of about 6 feet (between 5.1 feet to 11.1 feet in front of you, subjects in that zone would be in focus). So you don't need to worry about DoF at wide open.

If you're taking full length portraits of the wedding couple in portrait mode, you would be about 17 feet away from them if you are at 55mm on focal length. At f/2.8, your DoF is about 3.3 feet in total (between 15.5 feet to 18.8 feet in front of you, subjects in that zone would be in focus). Still a lot of DoF to get your subjects sharp in focus at the tele end.

The 17-55 is excellent wide open and using it wide open saves a lot of SB 900 juice. Your photos will turn out better because the flash would compliment the ambient lighting and would not be the only source of light like when you shoot using f/7.1.

QUOTE(vearn27 @ Jul 24 2011, 10:52 PM)
Sure as in you also reach your SB-900 overheat limit when you shoot indoor? My SS was 1/60.
Why not switch to 1/30 instead of the default 1/60 when you use flash? You get extra 1 stop of flash power.

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Increasing the ISO will make the flash require less power to lit the subject right? hmm.gif
Yes.

QUOTE(gnome @ Jul 24 2011, 11:08 PM)
Also a friend of mine who's a event photographer (mostly those corporate events) said his technique for flash is to set it at 1/4 or 1/2 of the power then just change the aperture accordingly...works best if have big aperture lens obviously. I havent tried it myself so cant really comment laugh.gif
That would be using flash as fill flash.

QUOTE(-kytz- @ Jul 24 2011, 11:12 PM)
Use bigger aperture, so that your flash output need not be that powerful smile.gif
Yup.

QUOTE(vearn27 @ Jul 24 2011, 11:37 PM)
Your friend's technique is indeed correct. I have met a senior that he taught me on how to use Manual setting for flash instead of relying on TTL. Setting the flash either at 1/2, 1/4 or 1/8 depending on the environment lighting, then adjust the ISO accordingly to each shot.
Like I suggested, you can also stick to manual exposure and leave flash at TTL to fill in as needed.

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If you are already using f/2.8 lens and set at a wide angle of say 17 or 18mm, you can take a group shot of 6 people or so side by side and stand about 7 feet away from them. That gives you a total DoF of about 6 feet (between 5.1 feet to 11.1 feet in front of you, subjects in that zone would be in focus). So you don't need to worry about DoF at wide open.

If you're taking full length portraits of the wedding couple in portrait mode, you would be about 17 feet away from them if you are at 55mm on focal length. At f/2.8, your DoF is about 3.3 feet in total (between 15.5 feet to 18.8 feet in front of you, subjects in that zone would be in focus). Still a lot of DoF to get your subjects sharp in focus at the tele end.

The 17-55 is excellent wide open and using it wide open saves a lot of SB 900 juice. Your photos will turn out better because the flash would compliment the ambient lighting and would not be the only source of light like when you shoot using f/7.1.
Why not switch to 1/30 instead of the default 1/60 when you use flash? You get extra 1 stop of flash power.

Like I suggested, you can also stick to manual exposure and leave flash at TTL to fill in as needed.
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Just revisited DOF Master, shooting approximately 8 ft from the subject will give me approximately 9.78 ft of DOF which is enough to cover what I'm shooting yesterday where maximum there was 20 of them to fit 17mm (25.5 effective) focal length. Hmm... I shouldn't be afraid to step up my aperture value ._.

I'm worried shooting at 1/30 will cause blurry image although equipped with flash. Furthermore, this is the first time I officially shot using the new lens 17-55 and without VR.

If I'm stepping up my aperture value, I shouldn't need to be worry on SB-900 overheat if I'm using TTL mode biggrin.gif

In fact, I actually have a couple of shots using Aperture Priority at f/2.8 before I forgotten that I have no switch to Programmed Auto which is at f/7.1. The earlier seem looks better than the latter tongue.gif
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QUOTE(vearn27 @ Jul 25 2011, 12:17 AM)
Just revisited DOF Master, shooting approximately 8 ft from the subject will give me approximately 9.78 ft of DOF which is enough to cover what I'm shooting yesterday where maximum there was 20 of them to fit 17mm (25.5 effective) focal length. Hmm... I shouldn't be afraid to step up my aperture value ._.
Glad that somebody appreciates the technicalities and bothers to check how much DoF you get. rclxms.gif

QUOTE(vearn27 @ Jul 25 2011, 12:17 AM)
I'm worried shooting at 1/30 will cause blurry image although equipped with flash. Furthermore, this is the first time I officially shot using the new lens 17-55 and without VR.
Do some test shots. Try and purposely shake while shooting at 1/30 with flash. See the outcome. If you're still afraid, then stick with 1/60 lor...

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The earlier seem looks better than the latter tongue.gif
Of course it does.
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QUOTE(vearn27 @ Jul 25 2011, 12:17 AM)
Just revisited DOF Master, shooting approximately 8 ft from the subject will give me approximately 9.78 ft of DOF which is enough to cover what I'm shooting yesterday where maximum there was 20 of them to fit 17mm (25.5 effective) focal length. Hmm... I shouldn't be afraid to step up my aperture value ._.

I'm worried shooting at 1/30 will cause blurry image although equipped with flash. Furthermore, this is the first time I officially shot using the new lens 17-55 and without VR.

If I'm stepping up my aperture value, I shouldn't need to be worry on SB-900 overheat if I'm using TTL mode biggrin.gif

In fact, I actually have a couple of shots using Aperture Priority at f/2.8 before I forgotten that I have no switch to Programmed Auto which is at f/7.1. The earlier seem looks better than the latter tongue.gif
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Using flash can help to freeze motion; Using flash, you can even handheld shooting portrait at 200mm (350mm on DX) at 1/30 and still get sharp image; However if the movement is "fast enough", you will get shadows or trails (more obvious when you zoom in); Usually portraiture or group photo, it should be alright.

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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jul 25 2011, 12:31 AM)
Glad that somebody appreciates the technicalities and bothers to check how much DoF you get.  rclxms.gif
Do some test shots. Try and purposely shake while shooting at 1/30 with flash. See the outcome. If you're still afraid, then stick with 1/60 lor...
Of course it does.
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Technicalities still important anyhow. I'm an IT guy myself, I do understand how small fraction of specification mistake could overrun the whole system biggrin.gif

It's not until few days ago I took my time to flip again every pages of my D7000 manual only to notice I missed out some important function tongue.gif (I knew I missed them earlier but yet able to spare time to look into it laugh.gif)

I checked my group photos which I shot at f/2.8 using flash @ 1/60. In total 3 of them, one is slightly blurred probably due to my wrong focus or handshake.

QUOTE(Andy214 @ Jul 25 2011, 12:34 AM)
Using flash can help to freeze motion; Using flash, you can even handheld shooting portrait at 200mm (350mm on DX) at 1/30 and still get sharp image; However if the movement is "fast enough", you will get shadows or trails (more obvious when you zoom in); Usually portraiture or group photo, it should be alright.
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Noted on that. Will set my Flash Shutter Speed to 1/30 instead of keeping it at 1/60 smile.gif
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QUOTE(chiahau @ Jul 24 2011, 11:27 PM)
Well, if you are good, using M all the way is no problem.

At least, for me. Just need some tweak here and there but generally, if its an important shoot, just use A for safety.
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same as me.. but because most of the time too lazy to change2 then Aperture priority lah~

QUOTE(vearn27 @ Jul 25 2011, 12:17 AM)
Just revisited DOF Master, shooting approximately 8 ft from the subject will give me approximately 9.78 ft of DOF which is enough to cover what I'm shooting yesterday where maximum there was 20 of them to fit 17mm (25.5 effective) focal length. Hmm... I shouldn't be afraid to step up my aperture value ._.

I'm worried shooting at 1/30 will cause blurry image although equipped with flash. Furthermore, this is the first time I officially shot using the new lens 17-55 and without VR.

If I'm stepping up my aperture value, I shouldn't need to be worry on SB-900 overheat if I'm using TTL mode biggrin.gif

In fact, I actually have a couple of shots using Aperture Priority at f/2.8 before I forgotten that I have no switch to Programmed Auto which is at f/7.1. The earlier seem looks better than the latter tongue.gif
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rclxub.gif too technical hahaha but very good explaination thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(freddy manson @ Jul 25 2011, 10:21 AM)
rclxub.gif too technical hahaha but very good explaination  thumbup.gif
It's not complicated. Just punch in the numbers and the results will be automatically calculated. If you do not know what the numbers mean, there is a diagram there to illustrate how much of DoF you will get.

Besides, after spending so much, you owe yourself to learn and appreciate the lens more.
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hi guys, anyone uses sigma lens? if the lens is brought in by the local distributor "Audio & Photo Distributor (FE) Sdn. Bhd." would there be this company chop on the warranty card? i'm sure some of you uses sigma lenses here.. thanks
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Cause it is a lucky draw present. I'm collecting it tomorrow. I already have a 35mm 1.8 so getting rid of the kit lens.
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I'm looking for telephoto zoom lens but not so sure which are better. I have two lenses in my consideration so appreciate if all sifu could give opinion which is a better choice especially in terms of IQ.

Tamron AF 70-300mm Di VC USD
Nikon AFS 55-300mm VR f3.5-5.6

Btw what are the differences btwn these 2 lenses?
Which one worth buying? Or there are other option which are better?
Sharp image is quite crutial for me and I need lens with built in motor.

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++ I'm using D7000 with kit lens 18-105mm currently.

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hi guys, anyone uses sigma lens? if the lens is brought in by the local distributor "Audio & Photo Distributor (FE) Sdn. Bhd." would there be this company chop on the warranty card? i'm sure some of you uses sigma lenses here.. thanks
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there would be an extra card from the distributor, apart from the sigma warranty card.


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QUOTE(ashland @ Jul 26 2011, 10:56 AM)
Hi All Sifus,

I'm looking for telephoto zoom lens but not so sure which are better. I have two lenses in my consideration so appreciate if all sifu could give opinion which is a better choice especially in terms of IQ.

Tamron AF 70-300mm Di VC USD
Nikon AFS 55-300mm VR f3.5-5.6

Btw what are the differences btwn these 2 lenses?
Which one worth buying? Or there are other option which are better?
Sharp image is quite crutial for me and I need lens with built in motor.

TQ  notworthy.gif

++ I'm using D7000 with kit lens 18-105mm currently.
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if below RM2k, i would pick nikon 70-300 VR.
70-300 in general should have better IQ on D7000 cameras, as its actually a FX lens, but probably not by much.
55-300 has slower focusing speeds than 70-300.

but if ur on a tight budget, i guess 55-300 is good enough.
never tried the tamron, tho i think its also more expensive than the nikon 70-300?

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there would be an extra card from the distributor, apart from the sigma warranty card.


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thanks for the explanation. luckily i didn't buy it zzzzz.. the shop owner kept reassuring me it's the local disti set... despite the price which is a lot cheaper than what other shops are offering..
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Heard the tamron 70-300mm VC is a good sharp lens, try reading some reviews first smile.gif
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Jul 26 2011, 11:43 AM)
there would be an extra card from the distributor, apart from the sigma warranty card.


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if below RM2k, i would pick nikon 70-300 VR.
70-300 in general should have better IQ on D7000 cameras, as its actually a FX lens, but probably not by much.
55-300 has slower focusing speeds than 70-300.

but if ur on a tight budget, i guess 55-300 is good enough.
never tried the tamron, tho i think its also more expensive than the nikon 70-300?
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Thanks for the feedback. I might put 70-300VR into consideration as well. Not sure bout the pricing difference atm. Yup u are correct tamron is more expensive than the nikon 55-300 which make me wonder 3rd party lens could give better IQ? hurm...

Anybody have used/tried/experienced these 2 lenses or either one could share more experience?

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QUOTE(ashland @ Jul 26 2011, 02:32 PM)
Thanks for the feedback. I might put 55-300 into consideration as well. Not sure bout the pricing difference atm. Yup u are correct tamron is more expensive than the nikon which make me wonder 3rd party lens could give better IQ? hurm...

Anybody have used/tried/experienced these 2 lenses or either one could share more experience?
Thought about the AF-S 28-300mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR ? A little bit more expensive and it's an FX lens.
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What's the expectation? Would we be seeing D700's replacement sooner or probably D3 and D300s replacement as within expectation following their trend? biggrin.gif

>>> Nikon's Announcement @ August 24th <<<
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QUOTE(vearn27 @ Jul 26 2011, 04:55 PM)
What's the expectation? Would we be seeing D700's replacement sooner or probably D3 and D300s replacement as within expectation following their trend? biggrin.gif

>>> Nikon's Announcement @ August 24th <<<
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QUOTE(vearn27 @ Jul 26 2011, 04:55 PM)
What's the expectation? Would we be seeing D700's replacement sooner or probably D3 and D300s replacement as within expectation following their trend? biggrin.gif

>>> Nikon's Announcement @ August 24th <<<
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Nikon's own mirrorless maybe? Am also interested with the D700 replacement. It's been 3 years!
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QUOTE(vearn27 @ Jul 26 2011, 04:55 PM)
What's the expectation? Would we be seeing D700's replacement sooner or probably D3 and D300s replacement as within expectation following their trend? biggrin.gif

>>> Nikon's Announcement @ August 24th <<<
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D3s and D300s replacement is near... drool.gif

Or maybe EVIL, but not keen on that cause the sensor is SOOOOO tiny!
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Looking at their chronological release... http://www.dpreview.com/products/nikon/slr...gical&view=grid

Really jialat if D700 replacement to be announced laugh.gif
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QUOTE(ashland @ Jul 26 2011, 02:32 PM)
Thanks for the feedback. I might put 55-300 into consideration as well. Not sure bout the pricing difference atm. Yup u are correct tamron is more expensive than the nikon which make me wonder 3rd party lens could give better IQ? hurm...

Anybody have used/tried/experienced these 2 lenses or either one could share more experience?
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I am using the 70-300 VR to shoot birds which is just sufficient for me considering my budget. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(celciuz @ Jul 26 2011, 05:42 PM)
D3s and D300s replacement is near...  drool.gif

Or maybe EVIL, but not keen on that cause the sensor is SOOOOO tiny!
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i thought the EVIL will most probably come with a DX sensor?
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Heard the tamron 70-300mm VC is a good sharp lens, try reading some reviews first smile.gif
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Better than nikon?

QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jul 26 2011, 03:55 PM)
Thought about the AF-S 28-300mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR ? A little bit more expensive and it's an FX lens.
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Can u share how much the pricey? Couldn't find this spec ni garage sales. But if I took 28-300 most likely I will under utilize my kit lens tho. I think my mistake is buying together with the kit lens, should buy body only then pair it with this range of lens sweat.gif

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i thought the EVIL will most probably come with a DX sensor?
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http://nikonrumors.com/2011/07/22/the-pict...t-is-real.aspx/
Different mount + smaller sensor
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ok, its not exactly a tiny sensor.
user posted image

but if it helps to reduce camera size, then its good.
and this should still give decent images up to iso1600.
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Jul 26 2011, 07:31 PM)
ok, its not exactly a tiny sensor.
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but if it helps to reduce camera size, then its good.
and this should still give decent images up to iso1600.
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Its even smaller than Olympus' sad.gif I don't think ISO performance would be up to what the DSLR does...no where close.
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Its even smaller than Olympus' sad.gif I don't think ISO performance would be up to what the DSLR does...no where close.
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perhaps that's not what nikon had in mind. maybe it's to combat Leica in terms of mobility or something like that. Nikon hasn't been particularly good in portability before
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Jul 26 2011, 09:07 PM)
well, the canon s90 sensor is 1/1.7 and at iso800 its still ok, so im expecting the nikon one to do decent at iso1600.
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Well its inferior to NEX5 or something like that... if can use APS-C and especially D7000 sensor that would have 'tapao' the rest biggrin.gif
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one thing i never like with nex with aps-c sensor is design inbalance - compact body with big lens.

Smaller sensor that can still perform should also have smaller lenses...but i wont complain also if it can take the dx or fx lenses esp telephotos so can make use of 2.6x crop factor tongue.gif
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QUOTE(nivlanauk @ Jul 26 2011, 06:46 PM)
I am using the 70-300 VR to shoot birds which is just sufficient for me considering my budget. sweat.gif
For samples of photos visit my blog below. (Not trying to promote my blog on purpose, just want to show some sample la laugh.gif )

Before I can comment on the lens. Please let us know WHY do you need a Telephoto?
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Seen ur blog. Tks! That gave me insight of image result I could expect from this lens.
How much did u bought for the lens? Am planning for usage mostly for sports games.

Now need to hunt sample photos from tamron brows.gif

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Jul 26 2011, 09:07 PM)
well, the canon s90 sensor is 1/1.7 and at iso800 its still ok, so im expecting the nikon one to do decent at iso1600.
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Depends on your definition of OK, basically for these compact cams with such small sensor size, the noise is pretty bad and muddy, loosing a lot of details even at ISO 400 and above:

Try this:
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/q42010high...roup/page13.asp

Try to compare against other mirrorless like PEN-EP2, GF2, etc. set ISO to 100, zoom at the "Grandma's face", you will see a lot of lines and details. As you go higher ISO, you can clearly see those compact cams with small sensor loosing details and gone muddy. At ISO800, it's pretty bad (for me at least).

Anyway, the discussion was about sensor size for the mirrorless camera; I agree with CY, it should at least have a bigger and good sensor, at least probably m4/3; but as a DSLR manufacturer, it should have APS-C like Sony, especially previously Nikon Rumors did mentioned Nikon is targeting the mirrorless towards "professional", but their sensor chosen seems otherwise? Then again, these are all rumors.


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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Jul 26 2011, 10:57 PM)
Depends on your definition of OK, basically for these compact cams with such small sensor size, the noise is pretty bad and muddy, loosing a lot of details even at ISO 400 and above:

Try this:
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/q42010high...roup/page13.asp

Try to compare against other mirrorless like PEN-EP2, GF2, etc. set ISO to 100, zoom at the "Grandma's face", you will see a lot of lines and details. As you go higher ISO, you can clearly see those compact cams with small sensor loosing details and gone muddy. At ISO800, it's pretty bad (for me at least).

Anyway, the discussion was about sensor size for the mirrorless camera; I agree with CY, it should at least have a bigger and good sensor, at least probably m4/3; but as a DSLR manufacturer, it should have APS-C like Sony, especially previously Nikon Rumors did mentioned Nikon is targeting the mirrorless towards "professional", but their sensor chosen seems otherwise? Then again, these are all rumors.
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the S90 and the likes are obviously targetted at the consumer crowd.
and how many of the consumer crowd actually print more than 4R? or even pixel peep? or even print billboard sized images?
that said, those images at dpreview would look good enough at 4R even at iso1600.

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the S90 and the likes are obviously targetted at the consumer crowd.
and how many of the consumer crowd actually print more than 4R? or even pixel peep? or even print billboard sized images?
that said, those images at dpreview would look good enough at 4R even at iso1600.
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Yea, but actually our topic is about Nikon mirrorless camera; In this context, it should at least have a good sensor with good ISO capability against it's rival; Plus, it's one of the well known DSLR brand manufacturer, and another plus, it's known for providing good ISO capability.

Besides, for the S90/S95 competitor, there's already a specific model for it, and for compact size, there is already many models for it. Now we're talking about mirrorless; If it's true that it's a small sensor, I guess the competitor is the Pentax Q? There's no match at all for any other mirrorless out there, which are already so much advance.

Then again, it's still just rumors.

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well, nikon's rival? canon?
we still dont know how canon's mirrorless is going to look like, or if they are even planning one.
if nikon does release what that rumored mirrorless is, and at a right price, it'll definitely give the s90, s95 etc a good run.

if the nikon mirrorless had an APS-C sensor, it'll probably interfere with the entry level DSLR market.
panasonic doesnt have any entry level DSLRs to worry about their m4/3 system hurting sales, likewise for olympus.
while for sony i dont know many ppl with a NEX, seen alot of alphas tho tongue.gif

while looking at canon's range.
the cameras that overlap in price with their entry level DSLRs are the the S95 and G series.
so perhaps canon doesnt see a need for a APS-C mirrorless or are still contemplating how best to go about their marketing strategy.
and guess that is what nikon are also thinking about on what sensor to use.

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hmm if the nikon EVIL cameara sensor is really small...hmmm

do you think they will make shoot it and direct upload to facebook? whistling.gif
because file size small mah... laugh.gif
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well, nikon's rival? canon?
we still dont know how canon's mirrorless is going to look like, or if they are even planning one.
if nikon does release what that rumored mirrorless is, and at a right price, it'll definitely give the s90, s95 etc a good run.

if the nikon mirrorless had an APS-C sensor, it'll probably interfere with the entry level DSLR market.
panasonic doesnt have any entry level DSLRs to worry about their m4/3 system hurting sales, likewise for olympus.
while for sony i dont know many ppl with a NEX, seen alot of alphas tho tongue.gif

while looking at canon's range.
the cameras that overlap in price with their entry level DSLRs are the the S95 and G series.
so perhaps canon doesnt see a need for a APS-C mirrorless or are still contemplating how best to go about their marketing strategy.
and guess that is what nikon are also thinking about on what sensor to use.
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There's already a competing model for S90/S95 from Nikon.... Besides, mirrorless was meant for more slightly professional/advance user, especially for DSLR users, who doesn't want to carry their DSLR anywhere they go, yet they want to have a camera which has performance close to DSLR.

Anyway, I'm not sure where you are going, it seems you're supporting the smaller sensor or not happy that I mentioned the ISO capability of the S90/S95? Well, I'm just saying based on the mirrorless market.
There's already recent news about Canon mirrorless (not sure rumor or real); Whether it's real or not, imagine this, Nikon come up with small sensor mirrorless, then after that, Canon come up with say APS-C size sensor? Does it have to wait until someone come up with something good only need to wake up?

Well, whatever it is, the fact is, many users out there were disappointed to hear about the small sensor size for mirrorless, especially if it's a Nikon, as I have mentioned. Anyone is free to like or dislike it, whatever decision they make, it's impossible to satisfy everyone, there will be people who think they prefer smaller size, it doesn't matter; but I think as a mirrorless camera and based on the market standard, many people will prefer a bigger size sensor and a good competitor to current mirrorless camera.

1. Imagine Nikonians who wanted a mirrorless, disappointed with Nikon's and have to get other brands.
2. Imagine Nikon come up with true professional mirrorless, with bigger sensor and is giving the others in the same market a good run. Nikonians would be happy to get it; Imagine if they provide the adapter in the package, to mount current DSLR lens.

Based on above, I think point 2 sounds way better and there is more potential on selling the unit, plus, many Nikon DSLR owners might get one? If Canon doesn't offer the same, who knows, there might also be people jumping ship for this reason, especially those normal consumer.

Well, just my cheap 2 shutter clicks. It doesn't change any fact or what decision they already/will make anyway; I just hope/wish for a good mirrorless from Nikon that can give the current mirrorless rivals a good competition.


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^ya , i hope the performance will be better or on par with canon compact/ EVIL camera product...

because canon seems dominating in that market... hmm.gif
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hmm if the nikon EVIL cameara sensor is really small...hmmm

do you think they will make shoot it and direct upload to facebook? whistling.gif
because file size small mah... laugh.gif
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Don't need EVIL camera for that, they can do it in their compact cameras; which more "consumer" will buy, those who don't bother about changing lens, want a small pocketable camera like Canon S95, Nikon P300, etc.

Those mirrorless, need to mount lens, need to clean sensor? when want zoom lens, it become bulky. If use prime lens (pancake), normal consumer will complain as they will want to zoom, etc. Even the latest GF3, it maybe small, but once mount a zoom lens, it's not really small anymore. No matter what, it won't fit into those small pocketable compact size camera like the likes of S95, P300, which is so small and compact.
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None of you all used 24mm f2.8d before?

Im thinking whether wanna get 24-70mm or 24mm f2.8d or m4/3 with 17mm @@.

I searched all the infos d , still cannot make a decision.

My choice is D7000+35mm+50mm , m43 with 17mm.

or D7000+35mm+50mm+24mm f2.8d.

I dont need 17-55mm f2.8.
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d7000 24mm+50mm+85mm.
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d7000 24mm+50mm+85mm.
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Have you tried 24mm f2.8d before?
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nope, i'm just choosing based on focal lengths rather than lens itself.
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Hi all:

Would like your opinion before making my first DSLR purchase. Considering Nikon's vs Canon's entry level models. I was doing the math, and couldn't decide which is a better option.

The Nikon models does not have an in-body AF motor, which means that you gotta buy the AFS lenses, which seems more expensive compared to the AF lenses. So, if you add up the cost of the body and the lenses that you will probably buy over the next few years, you will find that the the cost of ownership of Nikon can be much more expensive compared to the Canon.

I am making the assumption that the AFS lenses are similar in image quality and are more expensive primarily because of the SWM motor in the lens. Is this assumption correct? Or, are the AFS lenses indeed superior in quality (hence they are more expensive)?

Would appreciate your thoughts on this.

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Hi all:

Would like your opinion on the following.  Am considering my first DSLR - toying between D5100 vs D7000.  I was doing the math, and couldn't decide which is a better option. 

Firstly, we all know that D7000 has many more features (e.g. more solid body, better AF system, more direct controls, etc).  Most importantly, D5100 does not have an in-body AF motor, which means that you gotta buy the AFS lenses, which seems more expensive compared to the AF lenses.

So, if you add up the cost of the body and the lenses that you will probably buy over the next few years, you will find that the D5100 isn't necessarily cheaper compared to the D7000.  I have provided a rough estimation below (note that the prices are rough -- obtained from various online sites):

D5100 option = RM4,100
D5100 with 18-55 kit  RM2300
AFS 50mm f/1.8  RM800
AFS DX 55-300 f/4.5-5.6 RM1000

D7000 option = RM 4,200
D7000 with 18-55 kit  RM3,300
AF 50mm f/1.8  RM350
AF 70-300 f/4-5.6  RM550

So, based on the above, isn't the D7000 option a no-brainer?  Or, am I missing out some thing here!  I am making the assumption that the AFS lenses are similar in image quality and are more expensive primarily because of the SWM motor in the lens.  Is this assumption correct?  Or, are the AFS lenses indeed superior in quality (hence they are more expensive)?

Would appreciate your thoughts on this.
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As far for 50mm f/1.8, the G is better than the D. In terms of wide open sharpness, bokeh and also AF accuracy.

However, I would personally pick the D7000 combination because D7000 has a twin dial which I like better than the single dial of the D5100.
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QUOTE(celciuz @ Jul 27 2011, 06:00 PM)
As far for 50mm f/1.8, the G is better than the D. In terms of wide open sharpness, bokeh and also AF accuracy.

However, I would personally pick the D7000 combination because D7000 has a twin dial which I like better than the single dial of the D5100.
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Plus the advantages of having a motor in body thumbup.gif
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Plus the advantages of having a motor in body thumbup.gif
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The only lens require motor I have is the 50mm f/1.8D tongue.gif. Most new lens are in AF-S anyways, not really a big issue now unlike previously.
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QUOTE(celciuz @ Jul 27 2011, 06:17 PM)
The only lens require motor I have is the 50mm f/1.8D tongue.gif. Most new lens are in AF-S anyways, not really a big issue now unlike previously.
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Some old AF-D lens still pretty good what brows.gif
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Example...? There's the new ones to replace them! biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(celciuz @ Jul 27 2011, 06:21 PM)
Example...? There's the new ones to replace them! biggrin.gif
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135mm F2 DC!

The only one i can think of laugh.gif
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135mm F2 DC!

The only one i can think of laugh.gif
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Probably the only one now then tongue.gif Since most others has been replaced with new and better version biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(celciuz @ Jul 27 2011, 06:00 PM)
As far for 50mm f/1.8, the G is better than the D. In terms of wide open sharpness, bokeh and also AF accuracy.

However, I would personally pick the D7000 combination because D7000 has a twin dial which I like better than the single dial of the D5100.
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Does that mean that you will pay the additional ~RM450 for the AFS 50mm f/1.8 instead of taking the AFD version?

Secondly, any thoughts on AFS DX 55-300 f/4.5-5.6 (RM1000) vs AF 70-300 f/4-5.6 (RM550)?



Just wanted to add that I would be using the camera mainly to take family/kids and vacation photos.

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Jul 27 2011, 07:01 PM)
Probably the only one now then tongue.gif Since most others has been replaced with new and better version biggrin.gif
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85mm 1.8D not yet replaced tongue.gif


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Does that mean that you will pay the additional ~RM450 for the AFS 50mm f/1.8 instead of taking the AFD version?

Secondly, any thoughts on AFS DX 55-300 f/4.5-5.6 (RM1000) vs AF 70-300 f/4-5.6 (RM550)?


Added on July 27, 2011, 7:11 pm

Just wanted to add that I would be using the camera mainly to take family/kids and vacation photos.
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go 55-300.
if on a budget, 55-200.
anything but the 70-300, unless ur willing to spend for the VR version.

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QUOTE(gragon @ Jul 27 2011, 07:09 PM)
Does that mean that you will pay the additional ~RM450 for the AFS 50mm f/1.8 instead of taking the AFD version?

Secondly, any thoughts on AFS DX 55-300 f/4.5-5.6 (RM1000) vs AF 70-300 f/4-5.6 (RM550)?


Added on July 27, 2011, 7:11 pm

Just wanted to add that I would be using the camera mainly to take family/kids and vacation photos.
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Yes, I would pay the extra for the f/1.8G instead of f/1.8D.

The 55-300 has VR right? You're gonna need it. f/4 - f/5.6 aperture you're not getting a lot of light indoor, and its a tele lens. Image quality wise, no comments but if I were to comment its best you take something with VR. If its a f/2.8 then you can opt to skip the VR since you're getting more stop of light in.

QUOTE(Everdying @ Jul 27 2011, 07:15 PM)
85mm 1.8D not yet replaced tongue.gif


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go 55-300.
if on a budget, 55-200.
anything but the 70-300, unless ur willing to spend for the VR version.
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Hmm, oh well didn't exactly liked that one since there's the bigger f/1.4D and f/1.4G around biggrin.gif.
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i want to buy a d7000..the guy offered me rm 3400 (body + 50mm f1.8). Is this reasonable?

and the warranty says that its nikon (malaysia) but the product name is d7000 hk set, is this normal? thanks!

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i want to buy a d7000..the guy offered me rm 3400 (body + 50mm f1.8). Is this reasonable?

and the warranty says that its nikon (malaysia) but the product name is d7000 hk set, is this normal? thanks!
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yeah normally warranty is hk set stamp..same goes to me

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QUOTE(ashland @ Jul 26 2011, 07:20 PM)
Can u share how much the pricey? Couldn't find this spec ni garage sales. But if I took 28-300 most likely I will under utilize my kit lens tho. I think my mistake is buying together with the kit lens, should buy body only then pair it with this range of lens sweat.gif
I don't have this lens nor have I held it in my hands. Just came across some positive user reviews.

Shashinki list the lens at RM 3k.

QUOTE(Agito666 @ Jul 26 2011, 11:52 PM)
^ya , i hope the performance will be better or on par with canon compact/ EVIL camera product...

because canon seems dominating in that market...  hmm.gif
The Canon only "seem" to dominate that market but the real champ is the Oly XZ-1. Nikon has no equal unfortunately. Sad but true.

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None of you all used 24mm f2.8d before?
Have you not read my reply post?

Ditch the 24mm f/2.8.

QUOTE(celciuz @ Jul 27 2011, 06:21 PM)
Example...? There's the new ones to replace them! biggrin.gif
AF Fisheye-Nikkor 16mm f/2.8D
AF Nikkor 85mm f/1.8D
AF Nikkor DC 105mm f/2D
AF DC 135mm f/2D
AF Nikkor 180mm f/2.8D IF-ED
AF Micro-Nikkor 200mm f/4D IF-ED

PC-E NIKKOR 24mm f/3.5D ED
PC-E Micro NIKKOR 45mm f/2.8D ED
PC-E Micro NIKKOR 85mm f/2.8D

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i want to buy a d7000..the guy offered me rm 3400 (body + 50mm f1.8). Is this reasonable?
I thought body only is slightly less than 3k so my guess is that the pricing looks ok. The question now is do you want the older 50mm f/1.8D (given "FOC") or the newer 50mm f/1.8G?

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and the warranty says that its nikon (malaysia) but the product name is d7000 hk set, is this normal? thanks!
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hmm if the nikon EVIL cameara sensor is really small...hmmm

do you think they will make shoot it and direct upload to facebook? whistling.gif
because file size small mah... laugh.gif
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my phone's camera can do that. don't have to get a new system.
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heyho just back from vacay~!! woot woot
Dreamland beach.. wink.gif
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Dreamland beach.. wink.gif
6 years ago, it was very isolated and green.

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I don't have this lens nor have I held it in my hands. Just came across some positive user reviews.

Shashinki list the lens at RM 3k.
The Canon only "seem" to dominate that market but the real champ is the Oly XZ-1. Nikon has no equal unfortunately. Sad but true.
Have you not read my reply post?

Ditch the 24mm f/2.8.
AF Fisheye-Nikkor 16mm f/2.8D
AF Nikkor 85mm f/1.8D
AF Nikkor DC 105mm f/2D
AF DC 135mm f/2D
AF Nikkor 180mm f/2.8D IF-ED
AF Micro-Nikkor 200mm f/4D IF-ED

PC-E NIKKOR 24mm f/3.5D ED
PC-E Micro NIKKOR 45mm f/2.8D ED
PC-E Micro NIKKOR 85mm f/2.8D
I thought body only is slightly less than 3k so my guess is that the pricing looks ok. The question now is do you want the older 50mm f/1.8D (given "FOC") or the newer 50mm f/1.8G?
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the best i got body only without free 50mm lens in mid valley and seremban is 3050. where can i get it cheaper? any suggestions?
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go YL camera jln pudu / pjsec14, or perhaps d'classic / j-one in amcorp mall.
should be able to get below rm3k body only + 4gb or 8gb card + bag.
with 50mm its about rm300 extra.

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hey guys!

for those who are new theres a nikon beginners workshop at KLCC this coming weekend on saturday or sunday.. you get to choose wink.gif

11am till 5pm

im attending it just for fun and since im new, would love to try out how workshop works since its free!

I bought 7 books from amazon regarding photography too hoping it could improve my photos wink.gif
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QUOTE(Calvin Seak @ Jul 28 2011, 12:04 PM)
hey guys!

for those who are new theres a nikon beginners workshop at KLCC this coming weekend on saturday or sunday.. you get to choose wink.gif

11am till 5pm

im attending it just for fun and since im new, would love to try out how workshop works since its free!

I bought 7 books from amazon regarding photography too hoping it could improve my photos wink.gif
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6 years ago, it was very isolated and green.
Certainly not anymore. What body & lens did you use btw?

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Digital Lifestyle Expo lolz

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Certainly not anymore. What body & lens did you use btw?
That time only D70 body. Both pics were shot with the AF-S 80-200mm f/2.8 + 1.4xTC.
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no wonder so close, using 200mm on cop body + 1.4xTC means around 280mm in cop body..
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jul 29 2011, 11:47 AM)
That time only D70 body. Both pics were shot with the AF-S 80-200mm f/2.8 + 1.4xTC.
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- 200mm x 1.4 = 280mm, OR
- 2oomm x 1.4 = 280mm + 200mm = 480mm ? rclxub.gif doh.gif

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QUOTE(freddy manson @ Jul 29 2011, 11:55 AM)
eh wait, does 1.4x TC means
- 200mm x 1.4 = 280mm, OR
- 2oomm x 1.4 = 280mm + 200mm = 480mm ?  rclxub.gif  doh.gif

never use before so still wondering~  hmm.gif
280mm. Exif also says that. I wish I had a 480mm f/4 lens though. Would have been great. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jul 29 2011, 12:03 PM)
280mm. Exif also says that. I wish I had a 480mm f/4 lens though. Would have been great. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Agito666 @ Jul 29 2011, 12:05 PM)
then everyone will use D7000 for sport shooting liao haha...all super zoom  laugh.gif
Why need to specifically be D7000? Your D70s also can lah.
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jul 29 2011, 12:26 PM)
Why need to specifically be D7000? Your D70s also can lah.
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High iso and high megapixel..
I think still can't compensate for faster burst frame shot
Machinegun tatatataatatatatatatataaattt hahahaha

Sports (except panning) shud need lotsa frames per second
(Never tried sport before)
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jul 29 2011, 11:47 AM)
That time only D70 body. Both pics were shot with the AF-S 80-200mm f/2.8 + 1.4xTC.
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High iso and high megapixel..
I think still can't compensate for faster burst frame shot
Machinegun tatatataatatatatatatataaattt hahahaha

Sports (except panning) shud need lotsa frames per second
(Never tried sport before)
MP is not everything. High MP but everytime you miss focus, what's the point?

On using a machine gun for sports, you're right. That is why at that time when I wanted to shoot sports, I had to resort to the D2Hs machine gun. rclxms.gif

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Eh which TC is compatible with 80200 two touch? the nikon ones only manual focus right? unsure.gif
My 80-200 is not two touch. Mine is AF-S version.

http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/compa...00mm/index4.htm

I can use Nikon's 1.4x TC but I got the Kenko 300 Pro DG 1.4x TC instead because of budget.

If you want to use TC on your two touch and still have AF, you need this Kenko. If you want to use the new Nikon 1.4x TC on your two touch, you need to file off the tab on the TC so that you can physically mount the TC on your lens. Anyway, even after you manage to do that, you would not have AF. It's only manual focus.

http://nikonpages.heymanphotography.com/tcmod/
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then everyone will use D7000 for sport shooting liao haha...all super zoom  laugh.gif
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jul 29 2011, 02:47 PM)

My 80-200 is not two touch. Mine is AF-S version.

http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/compa...00mm/index4.htm

I can use Nikon's 1.4x TC but I got the Kenko 300 Pro DG 1.4x TC instead because of budget.

If you want to use TC on your two touch and still have AF, you need this Kenko. If you want to use the new Nikon 1.4x TC on your two touch, you need to file off the tab on the TC so that you can physically mount the TC on your lens. Anyway, even after you manage to do that, you would not have AF. It's only manual focus.

http://nikonpages.heymanphotography.com/tcmod/
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jul 29 2011, 11:47 AM)
That time only D70 body. Both pics were shot with the AF-S 80-200mm f/2.8 + 1.4xTC.
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how many strobes did you use for that? still have yet to get results with mine..
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Hi nikonian guys out there..wanted to ask some opinion..im planning to buy a dslr..n i would prefer nikon..coz i used to play my brother's d7000..so im a bit familiar wit nikon UI..budget is limited..is it worth to get d5100 which doesnt hve built in motor?is it a good investment for about next 2 years?or i just buy 2nd hand d90 which have motor inside..is the motor is really a problem?
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QUOTE(amani @ Jul 30 2011, 11:00 AM)
Hi nikonian guys out there..wanted to ask some opinion..im planning to buy a dslr..n i would prefer nikon..coz i used to play my brother's d7000..so im a bit familiar wit nikon UI..budget is limited..is it worth to get d5100 which doesnt hve built in motor?is it a good investment for about next 2 years?or i just buy 2nd hand d90 which have motor inside..is the motor is really a problem?
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In a way (IMHO) they make the d7000 as a 'successor' for the d90..
But both d7000 and d5100 are using the same sensor.. Just the built-in motor's a difference.. And for the long run, having a built-in motor boy will benefit u more, cause u obviously can but lenses that don't have motor in them.. Cause believe it or not, u're gona buy lenses in the near future to fit ur shooting style, and most lens (nikon or 3rd party) which have motor on it costs as much as double than their non-motor lens counterpart..
Ie the 70-300G (motor and VR) is around RM1700 but the non motor version is around RM700.. (For current exact price u can check at ur shops or shashinki.com) so for me, if u're going for 2 years prospec then get a body with motor in it..
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Alamak my D90 plastic screen protector thingy broken, anyone know how much is it to get a new one? doh.gif
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how many strobes did you use for that? still have yet to get results with mine..
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QUOTE(Isepunye @ Jul 29 2011, 07:57 PM)
nice lens u using. im just using 116 for wide and takumar 200mm F5.6 for tele
Thank you. I invested in good lenses since 6 years ago and still keep them till today. I change bodies over time and from what I can tell, the D90 is lightspeed ahead of the D70 by today's standards.

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I'm no expert on studio shoots but that looks like the lighting too harsh on the model? Shadows are also hard and not soft and pushing the saturation high makes the shadows end up with no details. Might be better if you set Picture control to neutral.

Aperture? Shutter speed? What camera settings did you end up with?

QUOTE(gnome @ Jul 30 2011, 02:40 PM)
Alamak my D90 plastic screen protector thingy broken, anyone know how much is it to get a new one? doh.gif
The D90 plastic screen (BM 10) is about RM 60 or so. Perhaps get a GGS screen protector?
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looks good...captured the mood really well...
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jul 30 2011, 05:16 PM)
I'm no expert on studio shoots but that looks like the lighting too harsh on the model? Shadows are also hard and not soft and pushing the saturation high makes the shadows end up with no details. Might be better if you set Picture control to neutral.

Aperture? Shutter speed? What camera settings did you end up with?
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Sorry its not about settings, its probably post production in LR, someone in Canon Thread point out that i use abit too much clarity to the zero side causing the skin to look plenty of details lost smile.gif
btw there is no edits in any saturation etc. I juz boost the exposure 2/3 stops only and skin retouching in LR
picture is shot in RAW, so picture control those not effect anything
took note from that post and will not use it overdone next time

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QUOTE(gnome @ Jul 30 2011, 02:40 PM)
Alamak my D90 plastic screen protector thingy broken, anyone know how much is it to get a new one? doh.gif
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Just use the GGS as a replacement, much better than original!


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QUOTE(celciuz @ Jul 30 2011, 11:04 PM)
Just use the GGS as a replacement, much better than original!


Added on July 31, 2011, 1:14 amxD, back to spam some pics taken during my trip to KLCC today. Oh well, Razor booth was crowded and I found out the reason, its Agnes!
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GGS screen eh? ok will try to find those biggrin.gif

owh and it seems like everytime there's a pc fair event on the weekends, i always away in ipoh cry.gif laugh.gif

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hi all


need help here


i need prime lens for DX body,


so between 35mm n 50mm

which is best choice??

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QUOTE(nkarul85 @ Jul 31 2011, 02:55 AM)
hi all
need help here
i need prime lens for DX body,
so between 35mm n 50mm

which is best choice??

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mine to tell why u choose 35 ?

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I don't really have a choice between 35mm or 50mm, as the 50mm was already bought by my dad. However due to it's focal length it could be a hassle sometimes..
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On Dx body, for the focal range the 35mm is better for walk-around lens..
In terms of sharpness, bokeh, etc then its sometimes personal..

For portraiture then focal length 50mm is better, most people have this lens..

50mm versions: f1.8D, f1.8G, f1.4D, f1.4G
35mm versions: f1.8G

Add more cause these are the ones I know/tried..

Best choice? It depends on u. Try both and see which one u're comfortable.. (Focal length, sharpness, bokeh, user friendly etc)
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50mm --> 75mm on FX, hell yeah. I like this range for portraiture biggrin.gif.
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QUOTE(celciuz @ Jul 31 2011, 10:08 AM)
50mm --> 35mm on FX, hell yeah. I like this range for portraiture biggrin.gif.
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QUOTE(pziv2 @ Jul 31 2011, 11:24 AM)
Fixed.
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50mm on DX is about 75mm on FX

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if fx body 50mm -> 75mm

on dx body?

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QUOTE(pziv2 @ Jul 31 2011, 11:24 AM)
Fixed.
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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Jul 31 2011, 11:48 AM)
huh? Where got fix?

50mm on DX is about 75mm on FX
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35mm is the range in Fx;
so in Dx body its 35 x 1.5 (crop factor) = 52.5mm
So 50mm is 75mm in Dx body!
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Izzit Agnes dominated the whole DLE this round.....? While others like..... not noticeable? sweat.gif
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QUOTE(vearn27 @ Jul 31 2011, 02:37 PM)
Izzit Agnes dominated the whole DLE this round.....? While others like..... not noticeable? sweat.gif
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You always have to multiply by 1.5 when converting to DX, not divide. Hence FX cannot be longer than DX.

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QUOTE(vearn27 @ Jul 31 2011, 02:37 PM)
Izzit Agnes dominated the whole DLE this round.....? While others like..... not noticeable? sweat.gif
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There was one i saw in CLS booth, but never bother to check properly.


Added on July 31, 2011, 2:58 pmeh, CSL...

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I'm stuck with work in the office for this weekend... even brought my clothes to office to stay until tomorrow.

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Izzit Agnes dominated the whole DLE this round.....? While others like..... not noticeable? sweat.gif
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QUOTE(chiahau @ Jul 31 2011, 02:53 PM)
She looks nice with the Razer shirt ma. Lolz.
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So I spend less than 5 minutes at Razer booth because Agnes was surrounded by photog... but easily get pics to post biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(freddy manson @ Jul 31 2011, 02:12 PM)
35mm is the range in Fx;
so in Dx body its 35 x 1.5 (crop factor) = 52.5mm
So 50mm is 75mm in Dx body!
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haha, I think there is a confusion here, CY mean 50mm on DX body is like 75mm on FX body.

Thus, I don't see anything need to be fix, seems the intepretation is different from different people.

QUOTE(pziv2 @ Jul 31 2011, 02:53 PM)
You always have to multiply by 1.5 when converting to DX, not divide. Hence FX cannot be longer than DX.
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As said above, misintepretation. normally, people talk about focal length on DX equivalent of FX. not the other way around.
A dx or fx lens, mount on DX need to multiply 1.5x, so usually people talk and intepret as the equivalent on FX, instead of FX equivalent on DX.
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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Jul 31 2011, 04:26 PM)
haha, I think there is a confusion here, CY mean 50mm on DX body is like 75mm on FX body.

Thus, I don't see anything need to be fix, seems the intepretation is different from different people.
As said above, misintepretation. normally, people talk about focal length on DX equivalent of FX. not the other way around.
A dx or fx lens, mount on DX need to multiply 1.5x, so usually people talk and intepret as the equivalent on FX, instead of FX equivalent on DX.
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Oh well, I think the standard would be focal length on 35mm sensor size (FF).

I'm not sure about Medium Format, do they have their own focal length or do they multiply 0.7 to get the effective focal length?
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you makes me more and more wanted change body ><
but... demn wonfest... most of my moneh goes to figure =3=
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you makes me more and more wanted change body ><
but... demn wonfest... most of my moneh goes to figure =3=
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Wah, everyone start to spam DLE pic already....

I also spam my not-so-bokelicious, WB-out pic first. tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif

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Tengok sini tengok sana semua gambar Agnes laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
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Tengok sini tengok sana semua gambar Agnes laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
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Cute pirate perhaps? XD

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Wah, everyone start to spam DLE pic already....

I also spam my not-so-bokelicious, WB-out pic first. tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Jul 31 2011, 08:58 PM)
My bad tongue.gif, cause she's so photogenic, anyhow shoot also settle.

Cute pirate perhaps? XD

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i actually was attracted by lip's reflection drool.gif
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may i know where is the most popular abandon house in KL for photography? let me know the jalan name and some landmark.

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hi sifoos..

im planning to get a Nikkor Lense 70-300mm AF Zoom Lens f/4.5-5.6G..n i ustand that is a non-motor lens. but if im using D300s it can be used as AF rite?

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hi sifoos..

im planning to get a Nikkor Lense 70-300mm AF Zoom Lens f/4.5-5.6G..n i ustand that is a non-motor lens. but if im using D300s it can be used as AF rite?

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QUOTE(TrutH_SeeKeR @ Aug 1 2011, 02:24 AM)
hi sifoos..

im planning to get a Nikkor Lense 70-300mm AF Zoom Lens f/4.5-5.6G..n i ustand that is a non-motor lens. but if im using D300s it can be used as AF rite?

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yes. the only non-AF body is D3100 and D5100...
or the body dont have top- LCD? hmm.gif tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Agito666 @ Aug 1 2011, 08:27 AM)
yes. the only non-AF body is D3100 and D5100...
or the body dont have top- LCD?  hmm.gif  tongue.gif
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Hmm, you're right. I don't think current models with top LCD doesn't have an AF motor.
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QUOTE(celciuz @ Aug 1 2011, 09:12 AM)
Hmm, you're right. I don't think current models with top LCD doesn't have an AF motor.
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got top LCD = not beginner body.

not beginner body = got AF motor inside

got AF motor inside = can use old lens.

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Guys, I currently have an AF-D 80-200. Wanna get a teleconverter for it. As far as i know that nikon teleconverter cannot support AF-D. Do u guys know any other teleconverter for AF-D?
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hi guys..newbie here with 5100....can a 50mm f1.4 AF-s work on my camera? or do i have to get the 35mm f1.8?
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hi guys..newbie here with 5100....can a 50mm f1.4 AF-s work on my camera? or do i have to get the 35mm f1.8?
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lens got AF motor sure can work with 5100, 35mm f/1.8 sure can work with D5100 tongue.gif
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Guys, I currently have an AF-D 80-200. Wanna get a teleconverter for it. As far as i know that nikon teleconverter cannot support AF-D. Do u guys know any other teleconverter for AF-D?
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From what I know, you can either find a nikon TC with those apeture ring on it or use a kenko tc. Kenko allows you to autofocus and many say its sharper than the old nikon tc's rclxms.gif Not to mention cheaper as well.
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mine to tell why u choose 35 ?

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If we stare directly ahead ... we have an angle of view of roughly 46 degrees.

During 35mm film format days, the 50mm focal length was the most popular of fixed focal length lenses as it provides a 46 degree angle of view.

Full frame or FX format ... same.

In APS-C sized sensor cameras, depending on the crop factor, 35mm focal length x crop factor of 1.5 = 52.5mm .... the closest to getting the 46 degree angle of view.


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QUOTE(honkit @ Aug 1 2011, 09:52 AM)
Guys, I currently have an AF-D 80-200. Wanna get a teleconverter for it. As far as i know that nikon teleconverter cannot support AF-D. Do u guys know any other teleconverter for AF-D?
The Kenko 300 Pro DG 1.4x TC will AF with your AF-D lens. Latest Nikon TCs will only work with AF-S tele lenses.

QUOTE(VaLeNrUdOn @ Aug 1 2011, 10:16 AM)
hi guys..newbie here with 5100....can a 50mm f1.4 AF-s work on my camera? or do i have to get the 35mm f1.8?
Both the lenses you mentioned are AF-S type lenses. They should work fine on your D5100.

In fact, just pick any AF-S type lens and you should be fine on your D5100.

QUOTE(azrinarizz @ Aug 1 2011, 10:54 AM)
From what I know, you can either find a nikon TC with those apeture ring on it or use a kenko tc. Kenko allows you to autofocus and many say its sharper than the old nikon tc's  rclxms.gif Not to mention cheaper as well.
I think when comparing the Kenko 1.4x TC and Nikon's 1.4x TC, both are quite equal in terms of sharpness for the centre part with perhaps the Nikon being slightly better. But if compare edge sharpness, the Nikon triumphs. I myself still looking for Nikon's 1.4x TC. I might get it one day since I already have the 1.7x and Nikon's latest 2.0x TC.
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Hello, can you guys recommend me a budget mic for d7000 please?

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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Aug 1 2011, 12:25 PM)
The Kenko 300 Pro DG 1.4x TC will AF with your AF-D lens. Latest Nikon TCs will only work with AF-S tele lenses.
Both the lenses you mentioned are AF-S type lenses. They should work fine on your D5100.

In fact, just pick any AF-S type lens and you should be fine on your D5100.
I think when comparing the Kenko 1.4x TC and Nikon's 1.4x TC, both are quite equal in terms of sharpness for the centre part with perhaps the Nikon being slightly better. But if compare edge sharpness, the Nikon triumphs. I myself still looking for Nikon's 1.4x TC. I might get it one day since I already have the 1.7x and Nikon's latest 2.0x TC.
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also the nikon fits better.
the kenko there is still some slight movement.
why are u still looking for the 1.4? can find it in shops...or u looking used?
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QUOTE(yanhui95 @ Aug 1 2011, 12:25 PM)
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There's the Nikon ME-1. It's small and considerably cheap. You get what you pay for however, it's nowhere as good as those RODE mics but still it's cheaper.
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Aug 1 2011, 12:25 PM)
The Kenko 300 Pro DG 1.4x TC will AF with your AF-D lens. Latest Nikon TCs will only work with AF-S tele lenses.
Both the lenses you mentioned are AF-S type lenses. They should work fine on your D5100.

In fact, just pick any AF-S type lens and you should be fine on your D5100.
I think when comparing the Kenko 1.4x TC and Nikon's 1.4x TC, both are quite equal in terms of sharpness for the centre part with perhaps the Nikon being slightly better. But if compare edge sharpness, the Nikon triumphs. I myself still looking for Nikon's 1.4x TC. I might get it one day since I already have the 1.7x and Nikon's latest 2.0x TC.
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How does the TC-2.0E III perform compared to your 1.7x? Worth buying? Am looking for a TC for the range, 200mm on FX is just.. short.
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Aug 1 2011, 12:57 PM)
also the nikon fits better.
the kenko there is still some slight movement.
You're right. Very very slight play but I'm fine since the Kenko was about RM 500++ when I got it brand new. I think now may be slightly more expensive?

QUOTE(Everdying @ Aug 1 2011, 12:57 PM)
why are u still looking for the 1.4? can find it in shops...or u looking used?
The thing is there is no compelling reason to get it at the moment because the Kenko is not bad. I can buy the Nikon now but when would I use it? Hmmm, perhaps MotoGP? I guess I can still take my time.

Just like the 2.0x TC EIII... I got it the day before F1 started because I wanted 600mm reach which I got what I wanted. sweat.gif I actually already have the 2.0x TC but it's the first version which is inferior.

QUOTE(celciuz @ Aug 1 2011, 01:09 PM)
How does the TC-2.0E III perform compared to your 1.7x? Worth buying? Am looking for a TC for the range, 200mm on FX is just.. short.
Surprisingly, I find that they are about equal in performance which is fine by me. But I read that some people say that the new 2.0x TC is better than 1.7x. Both TCs work best when used about 1 stop down.

The only problem I find with the 2.0x EIII TC is that it slows the AF. But on a super fast 70-200mm f/2.8, should be a fine trade off. Just don't use it on a DX body. The drop in speed is a lot even though mounted on a good DX body. There is a noticeable difference between putting the 2x TC on the D700 and on the D300.
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Aug 1 2011, 01:37 PM)
You're right. Very very slight play but I'm fine since the Kenko was about RM 500++ when I got it brand new. I think now may be slightly more expensive?
The thing is there is no compelling reason to get it at the moment because the Kenko is not bad. I can buy the Nikon now but when would I use it? Hmmm, perhaps MotoGP? I guess I can still take my time.

Just like the 2.0x TC EIII... I got it the day before F1 started because I wanted 600mm reach which I got what I wanted.  sweat.gif I actually already have the 2.0x TC but it's the first version which is inferior.
Surprisingly, I find that they are about equal in performance which is fine by me. But I read that some people say that the new 2.0x TC is better than 1.7x. Both TCs work best when used about 1 stop down.

The only problem I find with the 2.0x EIII TC is that it slows the AF. But on a super fast 70-200mm f/2.8, should be a fine trade off. Just don't use it on a DX body. The drop in speed is a lot even though mounted on a good DX body. There is a noticeable difference between putting the 2x TC on the D700 and on the D300.
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not slightly, more expensive tongue.gif
the cheapest i seen for the pro 1.4 is rm630.
yea the kenko is good enough considering its 1/2 the price of the nikon.
btw, i put the 2.0 tc iii on a d7000, AF speed is still fine...not until terribly slow that it cant track.
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Aug 1 2011, 01:37 PM)
You're right. Very very slight play but I'm fine since the Kenko was about RM 500++ when I got it brand new. I think now may be slightly more expensive?
The thing is there is no compelling reason to get it at the moment because the Kenko is not bad. I can buy the Nikon now but when would I use it? Hmmm, perhaps MotoGP? I guess I can still take my time.

Just like the 2.0x TC EIII... I got it the day before F1 started because I wanted 600mm reach which I got what I wanted.  sweat.gif I actually already have the 2.0x TC but it's the first version which is inferior.
Surprisingly, I find that they are about equal in performance which is fine by me. But I read that some people say that the new 2.0x TC is better than 1.7x. Both TCs work best when used about 1 stop down.

The only problem I find with the 2.0x EIII TC is that it slows the AF. But on a super fast 70-200mm f/2.8, should be a fine trade off. Just don't use it on a DX body. The drop in speed is a lot even though mounted on a good DX body. There is a noticeable difference between putting the 2x TC on the D700 and on the D300.
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I plan to use it for birding and also motorsport,

1 stop down, meaning f/2.8 --> f/5.6 after TC. Then 1 more stop down? The next q would be, how much did you paid for it? Wanna know what's street price like.

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Aug 1 2011, 01:51 PM)
I plan to use it for birding and also motorsport,

1 stop down, meaning f/2.8 --> f/5.6 after TC. Then 1 more stop down? The next q would be, how much did you paid for it? Wanna know what's street price like.
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birding -> digiscoping biggrin.gif

1 stop, meaning after 2.0x tc becomes f/5.6 and then 1 stop to f/8.
i got mine used for rm1.3k still with lots of warranty, the ori receipt says rm1630.
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Aug 1 2011, 02:07 PM)
birding -> digiscoping biggrin.gif

1 stop, meaning after 2.0x tc becomes f/5.6 and then 1 stop to f/8.
i got mine used for rm1.3k still with lots of warranty, the ori receipt says rm1630.
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Hmm, so its about RM1630. Initially I saw the RRP about 1900+ almost 2K. A bit shocked LOL.
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Aug 1 2011, 01:48 PM)
not slightly, more expensive tongue.gif
the cheapest i seen for the pro 1.4 is rm630.
yea the kenko is good enough  considering its 1/2 the price of the nikon.
Aiks... Sudah naik harga?

QUOTE(Everdying @ Aug 1 2011, 01:48 PM)
btw, i put the 2.0 tc iii on a d7000, AF speed is still fine...not until terribly slow that it cant track.
On fast tele lenses, it's bearable. But if you use the AF-S 300m f/4 which is already known to have a slow AF-S motor, the slowdown is more evident.

QUOTE(celciuz @ Aug 1 2011, 01:51 PM)
I plan to use it for birding and also motorsport,
400mm maybe fine for motorsport. But not for birding? Please define. biggrin.gif Feathered or non feathered kind?

For feathered type, Malaysian birds are usually very tiny and very shy. So getting close is quite hard.

QUOTE(celciuz @ Aug 1 2011, 01:51 PM)
1 stop down, meaning f/2.8 --> f/5.6 after TC. Then 1 more stop down? The next q would be, how much did you paid for it? Wanna know what's street price like.
Everydying is right. Price? Got it for RM 1.7k for the 2.0x TC EIII.

QUOTE(Everdying @ Aug 1 2011, 02:07 PM)
birding -> digiscoping biggrin.gif
Yuks. Digiscoping may get you the distance quite cheaply but the quality is horrible.

QUOTE(Everdying @ Aug 1 2011, 02:07 PM)
1 stop, meaning after 2.0x tc becomes f/5.6 and then 1 stop to f/8.
i got mine used for rm1.3k still with lots of warranty, the ori receipt says rm1630.
Whoa, that's a good buy. rclxms.gif Where did you find it?
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Aug 1 2011, 02:30 PM)
Aiks... Sudah naik harga?
On fast tele lenses, it's bearable. But if you use the AF-S 300m f/4 which is already known to have a slow AF-S motor, the slowdown is more evident.
400mm maybe fine for motorsport. But not for birding? Please define.  biggrin.gif Feathered or non feathered kind?

For feathered type, Malaysian birds are usually very tiny and very shy. So getting close is quite hard.
Everydying is right. Price? Got it for RM 1.7k for the 2.0x TC EIII.
Yuks. Digiscoping may get you the distance quite cheaply but the quality is horrible.
Whoa, that's a good buy.  rclxms.gif Where did you find it?
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digiscoping depends how much u willing to spend and whether u hook up pns or dslr.
anyway cheap cheap rm600-rm1k got...get u equivalent of at least 1000mm minimum with the 20x zoom.
nikon optics also got make digiscoping kits, set u back at least rm5k? and sure can get up to 3000mm equivalent cos of the 60x zoom.

i got it used, the guy who bought it got it barely a month ago from d'classic at amcorp mall...the shop thats opposite the starbucks.

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for those who are thinking of getting a D7000 + sb900, don't get it now.
nikon malaysia are giving them out for free.
3 units only though

nikon 10th anniversary

enjoy
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QUOTE(ifer @ Aug 1 2011, 03:28 PM)
for those who are thinking of getting a D7000 + sb900, don't get it now.
nikon malaysia are giving them out for free.
3 units only though

nikon 10th anniversary

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Provided you could submit an excellent photo laugh.gif
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QUOTE(vearn27 @ Aug 1 2011, 03:52 PM)
Provided you could submit an excellent photo laugh.gif
I guess that is not a problem since it's advantageous if you know one of the judges. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Aug 1 2011, 04:33 PM)
I guess that is not a problem since it's advantageous if you know one of the judges.  biggrin.gif
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you sounds like you know the judge biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Aug 1 2011, 04:33 PM)
I guess that is not a problem since it's advantageous if you know one of the judges.  biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(ifer @ Aug 1 2011, 04:43 PM)
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ifer sifu, lai lets go yum cha biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(vearn27 @ Aug 1 2011, 05:34 PM)
ifer sifu, lai lets go yum cha biggrin.gif
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yam cha not work one, belanja makan abalone more effective... D7k + SB900 = 4k above, you belanja makan abalone is like 1/2 of the total prize of it is veli worth mahhh whistling.gif

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howmuch D400 will cost?
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howmuch D400 will cost?
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Probably higher than the D300 , 9K Maybe?
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Probably higher than the D300 , 9K Maybe?
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9k is even pricier than the D700 at launch o_O
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QUOTE(celciuz @ Aug 1 2011, 08:44 PM)
9k is even pricier than the D700 at launch o_O
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Wait , im re imagining D300 as D700 again , forgot price for D300 set around 6K.... rclxub.gif doh.gif
Left my good old D90 in the dry box too long , until forgot price for D300 =_=

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QUOTE(MichaelJohn @ Aug 1 2011, 08:45 PM)
Wait , im re imagining D300 as D700 again , forgot price for D300 set around 6K....  rclxub.gif  doh.gif
Left my good old D90 in the dry box too long , until forgot price for D300 =_=
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6k.. hmm.Below 6k i'll get one.
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QUOTE(celciuz @ Aug 1 2011, 08:44 PM)
9k is even pricier than the D700 at launch o_O
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then D700 during launch is how much XD
wan set target for my piggy bank tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Agito666 @ Aug 1 2011, 09:04 PM)
then D700 during launch is how much XD
wan set target for my piggy bank  tongue.gif
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8k+ if not mistaken, and comes with a 50mm f/1.4D.
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QUOTE(celciuz @ Aug 1 2011, 09:06 PM)
8k+ if not mistaken, and comes with a 50mm f/1.4D.
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hmm if i hardcore saving for 1k each month start from now should be can reach target... hmm.gif

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QUOTE(Agito666 @ Aug 1 2011, 09:08 PM)
hmm if i hardcore saving for 1k each month start from now should be can reach target... hmm.gif
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Then by around April can get edi tongue.gif
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QUOTE(MichaelJohn @ Aug 1 2011, 09:22 PM)
Then by around April can get edi  tongue.gif
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i was targeting march shocking.gif
need cut some spenses but wonfest nendo is irresistible......hopefully is not exclusive price XD (got 3 in my list XD)

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QUOTE(Agito666 @ Aug 1 2011, 09:43 PM)
i was targeting march  shocking.gif
need cut some spenses but wonfest nendo is irresistible......hopefully is not exclusive price XD (got 3 in my list XD)
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Ouh you and your nendos whistling.gif
Anyways , you upgrading bodies after this?
D400?
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QUOTE(Agito666 @ Aug 1 2011, 09:08 PM)
hmm if i hardcore saving for 1k each month start from now should be can reach target... hmm.gif
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I want to hardcorely save for my 70-200 f/2.8 VRII
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Saving up a 14-24 f/2.8G whistling.gif

The new 40mm f/2.8G Micro seems gooding too hmm.gif
or maybe should take the 85mm version
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I want to hardcorely save for my D700+ 70-200 f/2.8 VRII
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hi there ..

i need your opinions on this matter..

what is the difference between a Nikon 24-85mm n a Leica 24-70mm lens? regardless of the brand, i just want to know the functions of each lens or is it almost the same.

tq for ur advice..
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QUOTE(MichaelJohn @ Aug 1 2011, 10:01 PM)
Ouh you and your nendos  whistling.gif
Anyways , you upgrading bodies after this?
D400?
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maybe FF gua... good in low light gua.... have to wait the new FF body come out first unsure.gif
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QUOTE(vearn27 @ Aug 1 2011, 05:34 PM)
ifer sifu, lai lets go yum cha biggrin.gif
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i am not the judge this time round. i was one of them for the previous one (heartfelt moment)
there were 5 of us judges to ensure a balance sort of marks giving

but i can tell you that the images that i have seen on this forum, some of them at least, have potential leh
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QUOTE(celciuz @ Aug 1 2011, 11:04 PM)
Trend now is big head pics according to my freelance friends dry.gif..

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I also got, but very "young" version tongue.gif

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Surprise
July 30 (rumors)--Okay, I'm gonna take a few things back. Trying to read the tea leaves in Japan about what's coming and when is always difficult. All the disruption that's occurred due to the March 11th quake has just made it harder to make sense of some of the bits and pieces that do leak. Some suppliers have changed, some manufacturing has been moved around a bit (some mounts now made in Malaysia, for instance), so the knowledge of various sources has also changed a bit, too. I lost one source and gained a new one. Coupled with hectic and changing management decisions, I've gotten quite a bit of conflicting information in the past few months.

Basically, the crowd reading this site is interested in five cameras: the expected new Nikon mirrorless, and the replacements for the D300s, D700, D3s, and D3h. I believe I've called some of this wrong, so I'm now going to try to correct my predictions:

    D700 replacement: August 24 announce, October delivery.
    D3s replacement (D4): August 24 announce, December delivery to NPS pros.
    Nikon mirrorless: January CES announce, February delivery.
    D300s replacement: February announce, delivery shortly thereafter.
    D3x replacement: not predictable at the moment, but late 2012 seems to be the earliest plausible possibility.

Yeah, I'm a bit surprised, too. Do I have 100% confidence in those five statements? No. But I have more confidence in them than I do my last prediction. I do have near 100% confidence that we've got two more DSLRs coming in 2011, though, and that one of them is the D4. It's been that other product that's been pesky to pin down. But one of my Japanese friends let something slip that has reversed my original thought (D300s replacement in August).

In many ways, that makes sense. The successful D7000 has taken pressure off producing a D400 (or is it D8000 now?), and announcing a pair of next generation FX bodies together has more punch than the FX/DX combo, plus it finally addresses the perceived 5DII gap (with Sony now about to open a DX gap, though; see below).

There's no real pressure on Nikon to launch the mirrorless product, and I believe they'll try to make a splash (as will Canon) at CES in January, where they have two booths and are rumored to be lobbying to change to a larger presence. It's a consumer product, after all, and that's a perfect launch forum for it, especially with the PMA trade show being right next door this year. A D300s successor in early 2012 and a D3x followup at the end of the year puts them back at about their yearly 3 serious cameras rate, which they fell dramatically off of in 2010 (2; maybe they were counting the P7000 ;~).

Okay, so my predictions have wobbled back and forth across the highway like a drunken driver. Let's hope I don't crash.

Meanwhile, the August 23/24 dates are starting to look like a freeway pileup of their own. Sony will be announcing two APS DSLRs (including their A77 competitor to the D300s, and rumored to be 24mp), two NEX models, three NEX lenses, at least two Alpha lenses, and a new fast focusing adapter for Alpha lenses on NEX cameras (incorporates phase detect).

As Nikon Rumors has suggested, Nikon will preceed their DSLR announcement with Coolpix announcements, including a GPS and tilt screen equipped P7100 followup to the P7000, kicking off a new line of rugged and waterproof Coolpix, and their third attempt to make a Coolpix with a projector stick in the market (not).


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http://www.bythom.com/index.htm
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FX pro and semi pro bodies together this August... Interesting, although I still think the pro will arrive first though then the semi pro coming later just like D3 launched then D700 follows later.
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QUOTE(celciuz @ Aug 2 2011, 10:36 AM)
FX pro and semi pro bodies together this August... Interesting, although I still think the pro will arrive first though then the semi pro coming later just like D3 launched then D700 follows later.
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good news for me ... i was targeting lowest price spec FF to play... good for shot low light like in pub etc... can shot many hilarious faces without red eye monster whistling.gif
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waiting for D300s replacement, budget is one of my constraint too, FX too early for me i guess, 1st quarter next year just enough to give me some breathing space.

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waiting for D300s, budget is one of my constraint too, FX too early for me i guess, 1st quarter next year just enough to give me some breathing space.
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i was bragging since last year end until now i manage save 2k unsure.gif

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QUOTE(Agito666 @ Aug 2 2011, 10:58 AM)
i was bragging since last year end until now i manage save 2k  unsure.gif

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Edit i mean d300s replacement

hahha. Same, i bought tons of figure, some still on the way due to Pre order. Hot Toys, Boa hancock etc,

Still, no excuse lah, this photography as a hobby is way better than collecting figure, more healthy and practical.

Earn more money and remain bth hobby



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Pic spam...comment please.

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Edit i mean d300s replacement

hahha. Same, i bought tons of figure, some still on the way due to Pre order. Hot Toys, Boa hancock etc,

Still, no excuse lah, this photography as a hobby is way better than collecting figure, more healthy and practical.

Earn more money and remain bth hobby
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figure = cheap model that wont bragging and will stay still in a fixed pose let you shoot until she melt. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Agito666 @ Aug 2 2011, 11:11 AM)
figure = cheap model that wont bragging and will stay still in a fixed pose let you shoot until she melt.  tongue.gif
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Boa Hancock in Wedding Gown = wedding photography

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QUOTE(KIEN18 @ Aug 2 2011, 11:10 AM)
Pic spam...comment please.

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Nice. But if the person at the left can be excluded, then could be better

Edit: Its a mirror lol

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D700 replacement will come very very soon,can't wait to see how gd it can be...

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QUOTE(hidden830726 @ Aug 2 2011, 11:16 AM)
Boa Hancock in Wedding Gown = wedding photography

http://www.nekomagic.com/?p=21659


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Nice. But if the person at the left can be excluded, then could be better

Edit: Its a mirror lol
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are you sure is MIRROR?? hmm.gif

talk about figure... i prefer not so anime ish flat look tongue.gif brows.gif brows.gif

fasting month person do not open it. whistling.gif
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QUOTE(Str33tBoY @ Aug 2 2011, 12:48 PM)
D700 will come very very soon,can't wait to see how gd it can be...
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you mean your new body? tongue.gif
i thought rumor's replacement of D700 XD

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QUOTE(Agito666 @ Aug 2 2011, 12:57 PM)
are you sure is MIRROR??  hmm.gif

talk about figure... i prefer not so anime ish flat look  tongue.gif  brows.gif  brows.gif

fasting month person do not open it.  whistling.gif
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you mean your new body?  tongue.gif
i thought rumor's replacement of D700 XD
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LoL! Nice one, especially the last 2 tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Agito666 @ Aug 1 2011, 09:04 PM)
then D700 during launch is how much XD
wan set target for my piggy bank  tongue.gif
Hmmm... Last time you ask, I already mention.

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Aug 1 2011, 11:04 PM)
Trend now is big head pics according to my freelance friends dry.gif..

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I might want to try this at 14mm. biggrin.gif

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Hmmm... Last time you ask, I already mention.

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i m old oledi. sweat.gif sweat.gif
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Aug 2 2011, 02:16 PM)
Hmmm... Last time you ask, I already mention.

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I might want to try this at 14mm.  biggrin.gif
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I tried it before, no significant differences compared to 16mm. But sharp biggrin.gif

Bokeh bokeh biggrin.gif Long time never use my f/1.4! Previous Super GT 85mm sleeping at home xD
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Hmm... tempting tempting... what is or are to be announced on 24th August... my partner wanted to get D7000 this weekend, shall hold on until what to be announced? hmm.gif

Thou even if D300s or D700 replacement announced, money wouldn't reach there yet sweat.gif

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