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Photography The Official Nikon Discussion thread V11, The Darth Vader troops !
Photography The Official Nikon Discussion thread V11, The Darth Vader troops !
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Jul 15 2011, 01:24 AM
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Jul 17 2011, 02:42 PM
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Jul 18 2011, 01:13 AM
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Jul 18 2011, 02:37 AM
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Jul 18 2011, 02:05 PM
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jul 18 2011, 12:20 PM) No idea who said that 80-200 is as sharp as the VR2. I have always said that the VR2 is sharpest followed closely by AF-S 80-200mm f/2.8, VR1 and lastly the two touch on FF. I also don't doubt that the newer 85mm f/1.4G is sharper than the 1.4D. Should be since newer tech and optics. But on achieving correct focus, both 85mm lenses are about the same. Speed of achieving correct focus would be AF-S hands down. yea, 80-200 for me is slightly sharper than 70-200 VR1.What was shocking? Like everything else, lenses are tools of the trade. They only help us to take photographs. So if one person cannot achieve better results with it, don't go blaming the tools. The difference is not worlds apart. Difference is much closer than 80-200 and 70-200 comparison and even then, you pixel peep on the LCD screen. Again, your statement on weight is incorrect. The AF-S 80-200mm f/2.8 is the heaviest. Anyway, if I have not personally tested and own a particular lens, I will be honest upfront and say that I have not unlike some here who claims that touching and fondling it at the shop or fired few test shots in BTS is considered testing. My opinions are based on my understanding and after owning several AF-S as well as AF lenses along the way. You sound like you own a lot of lenses but have you own enough to form an opinion? Did you have to crop? A 85mm f/1.4? Or a 200mm f/2.0? and yes, had to crop la, but i still had enough workable megapixels. else i would need at least a 400mm lens / 600mm field of view to get that. QUOTE(celciuz @ Jul 18 2011, 12:34 PM) To be frank, I was as stubborn as you back then when deciding between f/1.4D and f/1.4G. But ended up with the f/1.4G because it render nicer color, at that point of time I didn't know the focus accuracy differences between both lens until I swapped my lens with friend's 85mm f/1.4D mainly because he wants to try out then I found out the differences in terms of focusing accuracy. that is the weight of 80-200 AF-D.Everyone knows lens are just tools. The weight is correct according to Nikonusa.com, AF Zoom-Nikkor 80-200mm f/2.8D ED (Approx.)45.9 oz. (1300g) AF-S NIKKOR 70-200mm f/2.8G ED VR II (Approx.)54.3 oz. (1540g) AF-S is 1550gm. |
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Jul 18 2011, 03:07 PM
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QUOTE(vearn27 @ Jul 18 2011, 10:51 AM) i think most prices in KL are about the same...i got mine from gstrapinuse.Added on July 18, 2011, 3:08 pm QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jul 18 2011, 02:35 PM) Well, it's actually 1580g. I believe you got the 1550g figure from KR which he does not include the humungous HB-17 hood. i like rubber hood This post has been edited by Everdying: Jul 18 2011, 03:08 PM |
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Jul 18 2011, 03:36 PM
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QUOTE(vearn27 @ Jul 18 2011, 03:31 PM) So far, I checked gstrapinuse offers the cheapest price among I asked. I'm still considering should I take the AP-48EX or straight away get the AP-68EX to be safe its up to u.but there are ppl who prefer 2 smaller dry boxes than 1 big one, reason cos the big one doesnt have good airflow as smaller ones. so the humidity at some places inside is not accurate. my 38L is doing fine, cept i got no place to put my flashes |
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Jul 18 2011, 07:13 PM
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QUOTE(vearn27 @ Jul 18 2011, 06:00 PM) The drybox will be storing 38L can fit all that except for the flashes.1x Body + Grip 1x Body Only 4x Lenses (normal length lenses) 2x Flashes Yet to own any tele, but this will be it as for the time being. Should the AP-48EX sufficient with plenty of spaces left? 48L no problem. |
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Jul 18 2011, 10:49 PM
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QUOTE(celciuz @ Jul 18 2011, 09:46 PM) Films and tapes yes, they do get hit by fungus if in a humid weather eventually. But for DSLR bodies, I don't know for sure. Since got space, why not? i have heard of fungus in viewfinder before.Added on July 18, 2011, 10:51 pm QUOTE(vearn27 @ Jul 18 2011, 10:40 PM) From your experience, would the AP-48EX able to fit in D7000 + BG + 17-55 2.8G & D7000 + 85 1.4G attached with 2 extra lenses? Still got room for flashguns (or tele lens) or it is necessary to detach the body and lens? u got TWO d7000 bodies?Not to say I'm lazy... but I'm just looking at the possible convenient D7000 + BG + 17-55 will take up one compartment already, with space for any flash except for SB700 cos of its stupid case. This post has been edited by Everdying: Jul 18 2011, 10:51 PM |
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Jul 19 2011, 12:37 AM
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QUOTE(vearn27 @ Jul 18 2011, 10:59 PM) Well, one is mine and the other one is my gf's attached or detached doesnt matter.The D7000 + BG + 17-55 taking up one compartment is attached or detached? Still left one compartment for another D7000 + 85G and left one last compartment for lenses and flashguns? |
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Jul 19 2011, 11:33 AM
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crop factor is based on the sensor, not lens.
35mm on DX or FX, the image u are looking at thru the viewfinder is still the same size. just that with smaller DX sensor, u see less of the sides etc of the image, so your field of view looks like a 50mm, that is the crop factor. DX lenses are made specially for DX bodies, as they use less glass that only needs to cover the size of the DX sensor, therefore making production slightly cheaper since less glass. |
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Jul 19 2011, 11:54 AM
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QUOTE(lighter @ Jul 19 2011, 11:46 AM) you are wrong.35mm f/1.8 which is for DX, and 35mm f/2 which is a FX lens, both give the same 52.5mm field of view on DX bodies cos of the sensor. the f/1.8 is cheaper cos it uses less glass. |
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Jul 21 2011, 01:32 PM
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Jul 21 2011, 01:51 PM
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Jul 21 2011, 07:45 PM
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Jul 21 2011, 11:04 PM
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QUOTE(opfish @ Jul 21 2011, 09:27 PM) Haven't discovered anything about eyefi yet. Like u said, its potential limitation would be on the remote control via PC. Unless they come together with such software or compatible with current tether-able softwares. ya, linesman kayu...Actually I've just updated my Lightroom. Last nite tried the tethered capture, found out the cable too short. Potong stim! No la, just a basic course organized by my company's employees club. Watching Chelsea's game? |
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Jul 22 2011, 12:48 PM
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comparing 17-55 with 3rd party?
well, u are paying extra for focus speed, focus accuracy, built quality, etc. plus, i dont see why is there a need to differentiate a buyer based on whether its a hobby or for work. just buy what makes them happy, its their money afterall. there are plenty way more expensive hobbies than dslr anyway...like car modifications Added on July 22, 2011, 1:00 pmalso, as always buy for what u need now, not later. btw, 17-55, as for a few DX lenses can be used on FX bodies...so its not a total waste should u go to FX later down the road... ignoring the DX mode on the bodies, the 17-55 essentially becomes around a 28-55. u could also enable DX crop mode, and it may probably a waste as ppl think DX lens on FX bodies are... anyway current DX bodies crop mode is only around 6mp...unless you got a D3x that has 10mp in crop mode. its still more than enough mp provided you frame right. or wait for the new estimated 30mp FX body, in crop mode that should get 15-16mp This post has been edited by Everdying: Jul 22 2011, 01:02 PM |
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Jul 22 2011, 04:09 PM
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well, imo 17-55 is targetted at the pros who have dx bodies and value image quality.
likewise, there are the tamron 17-50s out there for the casual users, or those who cant afford the nikon pro lenses. but with FX, those who buy the bodies usually have money anyway...so most dont even bother looking at the 24-70 equivalents like sigma...who btw do make a 24-70 f/2.8 which is basically half the price of the nikon equivalent. tamron also has a 28-75 f/2.8 for rm1.5k which is also almost 4 times cheaper than the nikon 24-70, but u dont hear of many ppl using it...tho im taking a guess the image quality should be similar to the 17-50. imo, the 17-55 gets a 'bad' name due to there being way more DX users who are looking for something cheaper. not to say there are no FX users looking for cheaper alternatives, but the numbers arent there to see many significant complains |
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Jul 22 2011, 04:21 PM
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not referring to u.
just in general, cos ppl say 17-55 not worth it better buy tamron etc. but its all in the spending power, dont see many FX users say nikon 24-70 not worth it better buy sigma 24-70. |
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Jul 22 2011, 06:08 PM
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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Jul 22 2011, 04:37 PM) If under budget, I would not go for 17-55; As DX user, especially not working as photographer, and under budget, RM5K is a big amount, not something we can buy with even 1 year saving; You might read before some people save over 2 years just to get the 70-200mm f/2.8. If the person wants to own few lenses, they may consider "alternatives" depending on the price difference and so on, if makes a lot of difference. if under budget of cos diff story.However, the 2nd hand price is considerable; The main issue is finding a good condition unit especially after some horror stories. FX is different case, having able to spend a FX body, the "value" of the money is different; RM1000 value for people who can afford DX VS people who can afford FX is very much different. Just like people who can afford budget car VS people can can afford luxury car, the "value" of money is different; That day at one shop, I heard the owner of Audi TT talking about the some aftermarket headlamp, he said "only RM4000, cheap lah!" (not sure for both sides of only 1); For people who just say drive a B-Segment car, even RM1000 is "very" expensive? but if not, why go 3rd party? what i see here is, even if the person has a big budget, everyone is still recommending 3rd party lenses over the 17-55. This post has been edited by Everdying: Jul 22 2011, 06:10 PM |
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