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Photography The Official Nikon Discussion thread V11, The Darth Vader troops !

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celciuz
post Jul 14 2011, 08:31 PM

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QUOTE(iXora.ix @ Jul 14 2011, 08:28 PM)
if you dont have any lens that same brand,eg lens,speedlite.
walahh, you can jump in..or if you got something item that same brand, just consider choosing eos 60d or 7d
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450D --> D7000 is definitely an upgrade. More robust body, and also more advance sensor.
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post Jul 15 2011, 06:18 PM

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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jul 15 2011, 04:14 PM)
I think the issue is not because one has AF-S and the other not. It's because that the 1.8G (which happens to have AF-S) is a sharper lens wide open and better performance at other apertures compared to the 1.8D.
Even buying the D3X alone is difficult. But my guess is you can get the D3X with the Zeiss lens at Keat Camera.

Anyway, what I read was digiloyd got a sample of the ZF mount and wanted to do a head to head test with Nikon's 35mm f/1.4 but had to return the Zeiss due to some problems.
Don't just trust me. Find out and read it for yourself.
http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/ix-lenses.htm
They are referring to lenses like the older AF 85mm f/1.4D and the AF-S 85mm f/1.4G where the newer G lens just marginally better.
If you want a real good book on the D7000, get Thom Hogan's one.
For bodies, please don't purchase them in SG or HK unless you're not interested in getting warranty and support as bodies only have local warranty (i.e. support only where the body is purchased). It's ok if you purchase Nikon lenses because they have international warranty.
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Focusing is a big deal according to my friend who owns a 85mm f/1.4D. Poisoned him with my f/1.4G last Sunday. He ordered one on Monday arrived on Wed lol~

He said sharpness not so big deal, but focusing accuracy is what made him jumped.
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post Jul 16 2011, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(0168257061 @ Jul 16 2011, 09:45 AM)
if sharpness is concerned, get the cheapo 50mm f/1.8D also will do.

its a sharp lens
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f/1.8D kinda fail compared to f/1.8G tongue.gif. Want cheap and sharp lens can go to f/1.8G instead.
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post Jul 16 2011, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jul 16 2011, 10:58 AM)
I've actually no problems with my AF 85mm f/1.4D. I have not tried the new AF-S 85mm f/1.4. I know I cannot compare the focus motor on the AF-S 35mm f/1.4 and the AF-S 24mm f/1.4 to the one on the AF-S 85mm f/1.4 as they are both so so in terms of acquiring focus but if they are anything like it, you need to know the limitations of the lens and how to "coax" the lens into acquiring focus. Getting an AF-S lens does not automatically give you instant results if you do not know how to use it. A pro body like the D700 / D300 helps.

Anyway, I bet your friend will still not get accurate focus if technique is not correct with the AF-S lens. He would think that he acquired focus but he would be dissapointed when he looks on the screen.

Of course having said the above, I would not mine the AF-S 85mm f/1.4 if you given one.  biggrin.gif
rclxub.gif The question keeps going round and round like a merry-go-round.
Welcome. What is orange country?  biggrin.gif

Which Nikon model did you get?

I think if you have sufficient photography experience from another brand, it should be fine on the Nikon. Just need to get used to the buttons. That's all. Just like driving a new car with unfamiliar controls. But that does not mean you need to take L driving license again, right?  smile.gif


Added on July 16, 2011, 11:03 am

I think 0168257061 was referring in the context of using it on film body.
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He knows how to use a prime lens, from his feedback the 85G gives higher hit rate in terms of focus accuracy wide open compared to his 85D. Not to mention it hunts less compared to 85D under low light condition. He's on a D700 as well btw, so I don't think body is much of an issue.

I'm only comparison the lens capability, the focusing accuracy wide open at f/1.4

Side note, if on old film camera then I guess only 50mm f/1.8D lo... no choice since f/1.8G doesn't have aperture ring.

QUOTE(freddy manson @ Jul 16 2011, 11:13 AM)
Well, if 'COMPARED' can be added into the context then why 50f18G only? Why not compared to (alang-alang sudah keluar tajuk kan) 35f18G and 50f14D also?
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Apple to apple comparison, both 50mm and also both are f/1.8 prime lens. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Jul 16 2011, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jul 16 2011, 12:28 PM)
f/1.4 at 85mm is very thin DoF. The camera may think it achieved focus but that's what the camera thinks. I'm sure that in your shooting, you'd find almost 50% (if not more) of your shots even though nice but when viewed at 100%, it locks on a different body part rather than the intended eyes.

In this respect, both 1.4D and 1.4G will achieve the same results because focus is determined by the body. 

I will only go so far as to say that the speed of focus acquisition, the AF-S will acquire focus faster but in terms of focus accuracy, that's pretty even since it's on a same body. For non-action type shooting, you can take all the time to lock focus. Faster or slower, you'll still achieve it.

Focus hunting? Yes the D lens will hunt and because it's slower, you'd think that it hunts a lot. The AF-S lenses also hunt but they recover faster since the motor is fast and hence less frustrating for the user.
Partly true but it would depend on the type of body. But from the back of mind, you can mount G lens on newer film bodies but would only work in Aperture mode.
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Okay let's get to basic first.

1. If I understood your reply, you assumed I or my friend uses 'Area mode' AF tracking when comparing the 85 f/1.4D versus the 85mm f/1.4G?

2. 50% that my shots are OOF? Meaning not focused to where I intend to? I get it focused where I want it to be. I shoot only in single AF point mode. If it is the eyes, then it is the eyes.

3. Based on my experience with the 85 f/1.4D, it acquire focus faster than the 85mm f/1.4G. But hit rate aren't as good as the f/1.4G despite being faster.

4. Depending on condition, sometimes the 85 f/1.4D can't even get a lock under low light, hunting compared to 85mm f/1.4G. To be frank, have you tried the 85mm f/1.4G and comparing it side by side with the f/1.4D before? If you did, you would understand what I experience.
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post Jul 17 2011, 10:28 AM

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QUOTE(Bliz @ Jul 17 2011, 08:20 AM)
Since u mentioned u have never held AFS 85g before, how would you even know the focus ability is the same? I am speaking base on my experience of using both lenses, I know how to use 1.4 lens  laugh.gif Hard to believe that u can say the focus hit rate of 1.4D = 1.4G from a user who have never even use the 1.4G version before. It's just like those 80-200 user saying their lens is as sharp as my 70-200 VR2  doh.gif
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LOL, totally agree. Well, experience is the best smile.gif. Like wise, I always thought 80200 was pretty good and easy to handle.. but the other time trying out Bliz's 80200 got a shock haha!

Initially I always thought 85D and 85G differences is just the nanocoat, but was dead wrong when I compared both units side by side.
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post Jul 17 2011, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(Bliz @ Jul 17 2011, 11:18 AM)
Lol never try never know, don't just say the focus hit rate of D version is the same as the G version when you didn't even test the G version before laugh.gif ... 80-200 is really front heavy and feels much more heavier than the 70-200 eventhough the latest version of 70-200vr2 is the heaviest among all  doh.gif


Added on July 17, 2011, 11:19 am
Normally price of lenses won't change much, that's why always buy more lenses first  drool.gif
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Hahaha~ oh well its the same as me la... Last time I thought AF-D is faster and better. Cause its the 50mm f/1.4D versus f/1.4G kinda thingy.. mana tau when I used 85mm f/1.4D I was glad I didn't buy that LOLs...
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post Jul 18 2011, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(KTCY @ Jul 18 2011, 11:00 AM)
And so I sold off my One.Point.Four. What to get now ? sleep.gif
Already 4 months didn't really snap a photo sweat.gif
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Alamak, why sell that lens? No good ar? laugh.gif
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post Jul 18 2011, 12:34 PM

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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jul 18 2011, 12:20 PM)
No idea who said that 80-200 is as sharp as the VR2. I have always said that the VR2 is sharpest followed closely by AF-S 80-200mm f/2.8, VR1 and lastly the two touch on FF. I also don't doubt that the newer 85mm f/1.4G is sharper than the 1.4D. Should be since newer tech and optics. But on achieving correct focus, both 85mm lenses are about the same. Speed of achieving correct focus would be AF-S hands down.
What was shocking?

Like everything else, lenses are tools of the trade. They only help us to take photographs. So if one person cannot achieve better results with it, don't go blaming the tools.
The difference is not worlds apart. Difference is much closer than 80-200 and 70-200 comparison and even then, you pixel peep on the LCD screen.
Again, your statement on weight is incorrect. The AF-S 80-200mm f/2.8 is the heaviest.

Anyway, if I have not personally tested and own a particular lens, I will be honest upfront and say that I have not unlike some here who claims that touching and fondling it at the shop or fired few test shots in BTS is considered testing.  hmm.gif

My opinions are based on my understanding and after owning several AF-S as well as AF lenses along the way. You sound like you own a lot of lenses but have you own enough to form an opinion?
Did you have to crop?
A 85mm f/1.4? Or a 200mm f/2.0?
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To be frank, I was as stubborn as you back then when deciding between f/1.4D and f/1.4G. But ended up with the f/1.4G because it render nicer color, at that point of time I didn't know the focus accuracy differences between both lens until I swapped my lens with friend's 85mm f/1.4D mainly because he wants to try out then I found out the differences in terms of focusing accuracy.

Everyone knows lens are just tools. doh.gif

The weight is correct according to Nikonusa.com,
AF Zoom-Nikkor 80-200mm f/2.8D ED
(Approx.)45.9 oz. (1300g)

AF-S NIKKOR 70-200mm f/2.8G ED VR II
(Approx.)54.3 oz. (1540g)
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post Jul 18 2011, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Jul 18 2011, 02:05 PM)
yea, 80-200 for me is slightly sharper than 70-200 VR1.
and yes, had to crop la, but i still had enough workable megapixels.
else i would need at least a 400mm lens / 600mm field of view to get that.
that is the weight of 80-200 AF-D.
AF-S is 1550gm.
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Oh, Blizz's 80200 is the AF-D. That's the one he had experience using smile.gif. I also used his before, it appears heavier when holding it, but on spec its lighter than the VR2.
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post Jul 18 2011, 06:02 PM

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QUOTE(vearn27 @ Jul 18 2011, 06:00 PM)
The drybox will be storing

1x Body + Grip
1x Body Only
4x Lenses (normal length lenses)
2x Flashes

Yet to own any tele, but this will be it as for the time being. Should the AP-48EX sufficient with plenty of spaces left? unsure.gif
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AP-48EX worked for me previously...

70200 VRII, 1635, 18105, 50mm, D90 x2 and 20+ 8mm tape (those old recorder~).

Currently using 88EX to fit D700, D90, 70200, 85, 1635, instax 7s, those cartridges, also the 8mm tapes etc.
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post Jul 18 2011, 08:01 PM

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QUOTE(freddy manson @ Jul 18 2011, 07:51 PM)
Ur flash(es) keep where?
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Not bad you noticed I didn't put my flash inside haha, oh well my flash is inside my bag. SB900 don't worry about fungus lah~ tongue.gif
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post Jul 18 2011, 09:46 PM

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QUOTE(freddy manson @ Jul 18 2011, 09:32 PM)
So how about the films and camera body?
Those can get fungus kah?
He he he retorical question..
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Films and tapes yes, they do get hit by fungus if in a humid weather eventually. But for DSLR bodies, I don't know for sure. Since got space, why not? biggrin.gif
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post Jul 18 2011, 10:21 PM

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QUOTE(vearn27 @ Jul 18 2011, 10:15 PM)
The body with BG, need to unattach the lens to keep or able to keep it while with the lens attached? unsure.gif

AP-48EX sounds like a bit tight looking at what you managed to kept in previously. For my gears, it should be ngam ngam fit only (the will be one extra space since I don't have tele and if I'm not putting my flash in as well).
Therefore, only lens required to be stored in drybox leaving the bodies and flashes outside without harm? huh.gif
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Oh, my lens are not attached to my body inside my dry box. Occasionally maybe the 1635 or 85 is attached only, the 70200 usually is detached.

Err, I don't what should be inside, lens definitely. Body I'm not sure if fungus will grow or not :S.

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post Jul 19 2011, 07:43 AM

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QUOTE(vearn27 @ Jul 18 2011, 10:40 PM)
From your experience, would the AP-48EX able to fit in D7000 + BG + 17-55 2.8G & D7000 + 85 1.4G attached with 2 extra lenses? Still got room for flashguns (or tele lens) or it is necessary to detach the body and lens? unsure.gif

Not to say I'm lazy... but I'm just looking at the possible convenient tongue.gif
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Most likely able to fit, just need to arrange nicely I guess. AP-48EX has 3 levels right?

One body on each level, the another level with the wave one you can reserve for long telephoto such as 70200 and accessories. Beside the bodies other lens can just stand up, save space biggrin.gif
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post Jul 19 2011, 08:56 PM

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QUOTE(four_add @ Jul 19 2011, 08:35 PM)
focused on the middle broad black line using AF-S, single point middle(center of 9 points).
heard a lot of people having back focus issues.. but this one is having front focus.. maybe because  of the lens itself (50mm 1.8G), should try with kit lens too.
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My 2 cents, your paper seems 'senget'?

Definitely it will be 'front focus' IMO. Cause it is tilted and the 10mm is closer to the line u focus in the same plane.
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post Jul 19 2011, 10:10 PM

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QUOTE(four_add @ Jul 19 2011, 09:54 PM)
thank you for your feedback..  biggrin.gif  will post the result here again soon..
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To be frank I had this issue before. Just make sure the line is aligned to your grid lines. Turn it on, then ensure no tilt.. else it would mislead the result.
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post Jul 20 2011, 04:35 PM

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QUOTE(KTCY @ Jul 20 2011, 02:57 PM)
Help me decide. 50mm or 35mm ?
Dining purpose use. laugh.gif
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35mm, it is a Nikon gold ring smile.gif Unless there is a 50mm gold ring then you can consider.
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post Jul 21 2011, 05:37 PM

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17-55, 2470 range would be not tele and not wide enough kinda condition.
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