Pioneer Aficionados,

Previously named KURO Kakis, this thread has been revamped to include all Pioneer AV products. The idea is to consolidate all our knowledge under one roof without the need to scout for a relevant thread. All current owners will be listed to enable you to send a query directly via PM or start a discussion in this forum. Feel free to take sometime to read through this thread or share a thing or two

Please PM or drop me a line on your Pioneer AV model/username to be added to this list



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KRP-600M
anfieldude

KRP-500A
shuto1
serendipity168
youyida
formalin
saprozeldo
norazwan79
CapKapak
Alias
stardust
classicrock

PDP-508XG
netken
logy
kalido
mpyw
gocitygo
shahnaz07

PDP-428XG
lightastral
yanhui95
stardust
asherteoh
Alias
anfieldude
bluey88
classicrock





Refer to this sister thread below:

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1215885





BDP-51FD
netken

BDP-320
formalin
TristenC





SC-LX82
matyeo
kayroll

SC-LX72
shuto1

SC-LX71
kalido

VSX-LX-52
serendipity168

BDP-LX52
serendipity168
daryl.k

HTZ-LX61
serendipity168
wayne_cys




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http://pioneer.jp/homeav/sp70/flash.html

This post has been edited by serendipity168: Jun 18 2010, 03:43 PM

The Malaysia Model of KRP500A is without the Pure Mode... unlike the EU and US model. It also didnot includes the KRP-SE01 colour sensor as part of the accessory.


This post has been edited by formalin: Mar 6 2010, 10:00 AM

Edited...

This post has been edited by ronaldjoe: Mar 6 2010, 03:26 PM

astro HD content - using bumptiosavsforum@d65 hdmi settings @ movie
opinion : natural skin tone, best with darkened room viewing.

astro SD content - using mix match setting @ user
still tinkering

minus 1 hdmi input.

thanks bro ronaldjoe..

No worries, bro. You can still use ISF calibration to get the job done

If you guys are game for a little DIY calibration, I can share the settings that I managed to get on this thread.

Not sure how useful the color sensor is but it is something I can live without la

Good read http://www.avforums.com/reviews/Pioneer-KRP-500A-Review.html

Check out the scores

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Added on March 6, 2010, 3:14 pmDitto!

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Added on March 6, 2010, 3:34 pmBros,

Please share a picture or two on your current setup. Here's mine in an earlier posting.
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My minimalist approach

TV Model : Pioneer KRP-500A
Blu-Ray Player: Pioneer BDP-LX52
Home Theater: Pioneer HTZ-LX61

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Added on February 27, 2010, 4:49 pmEiii.... add pic as attachment. Nothing came up

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Added on February 27, 2010, 5:04 pmViola~





My Sammy setup a couple of months ago. Currently, parked in my guest room



This post has been edited by serendipity168: Mar 6 2010, 03:34 PM

please add me into the 428xg's owner group, thanks.

btw now they have astro byond, need to calibrate again?

I still not calibrated my Kuro 500 yet, currently using the MOVIE Mode only for all viewing, care to share your DIY calibration?
How do U use ISF calibration?

I've got a set of Calman Enhanced Spyder 3 sensor and software package but yet to try it on my KRP500A.

For the moment I've only adjusted the greyscale toning.

Dude, I've added you on the owners list

Btw- please share your thoughts/experience withe the Calman Enhanced Spyder 3 and if possible the difference between Calman over ColorVision's Spyder 3

Anyone have any tips on cleaning the Kuro bezel?

I recently did some renovation at my TV console and the contractor decided to help me clean it. I think he probably used sand paper. Aiya.. also there's some residue of some kind of chemical stain. Too bad. I've tried Acrylic cleaner, car polish, glass cleaner and even Turtle Car Wax. Can't get it all off, but I did manage to reduce it.

Most helpful would be the Car Wax. Don't use Glass Cleaner as apparently the ammonia or something there will corrode your bezel. If your bezel is really damaged, apparently some customers in the UK have been able to get a replacement bezel.

Just be careful and don't let anyone clean your baby except you!

Hi there,

Sorry to hear about this. Mind posting a picture of the bezel?

takde 508XG owners here?

err.. what is KURO??

Bro, if you own one let me know and you'll be the first in the thread

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Added on March 8, 2010, 2:13 pmIn Japanese, it means 'Black'

It's also the name for Pioneer's range of PDPs

This post has been edited by serendipity168: Mar 8 2010, 02:13 PM

Hi everybody,
manage to get myself 508XG last week. yoo.. hoo...

Welcome to the family!

yeah, proud to join the family.
still twisting and tweaking though. no no not really twisting anything, just tweaking setup only. still looking for the best setting coz i know it can be a lot better. dont really know how to call for pro setup.
hopefully we can share experience here. learn a few things already.

Ermm..... might wanna break it in first?

this break in, is it like some might say burn in?
coz if so, mine could take about 2 to 3 month i guess. as per now i watch mine about 3 to 4 hours a nite.

I ran 100 continuous hours on mine using a set of colour slides. The panel was mighty warm but I reckon it was good for the internal components to soak in.

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Added on March 9, 2010, 2:51 amSure will post some findings once I get it working, no worries. But won't be able to tell you the differences between the Calman calibrated Spyder 3 and that of ColorVision since I do not have one to compare with. If memory serves me right there has been extensive discussions about the two on CurtPalme.

This post has been edited by CapKapak: Mar 9 2010, 02:51 AM

hmm isn it better the calibration is done by a pro? i.e anfieldude..hehe

yay! there's a small kurokuro family here ...

okay .. for 508XG owners or other kuro owners ....

508 only have 2 HDMI port contrary to the 3 HDMI port behind ...

meaning ... Port 1,2 and 3 is RCA based (Yellow, Red and White)

Port 4 and 5 is HDMI - and Port 6 is RCA based again (Y,R and W)

funny thing is .. there is actually 3 HDMI port ....

there was a time, where i thought my HDMI Port 3 already kaput or spoilt, but the port 3 has another RCA port nearby ....

so confirm only 2 HDMI .... one for my BDP and one for Astro ...

my port 3 - RCA i use for my older DVD player ... so the HDMI port 3 is actually a dummy ...

have another Philips BDP mah ... btw - do u guys use Pioneer BDP?

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Added on March 9, 2010, 5:30 pmyes loh - mana sifu ?

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Added on March 9, 2010, 5:46 pmtaken from http://pioneer.jp/pdp/ - really chun ....

what the difference between the A and M model?





This post has been edited by netken: Mar 9 2010, 05:46 PM

netken,

If there are physically 3 HDMI ports (like the 428XG) all 3 ports can be used. U need to enable it in the home menu.

The Ms are just monitors with no tuners and only 2 HDMI inputs. The As have an external tuner and have more inputs.

The M is supposed to calibrate better...however, I have no proof of that.

The A in Asian Region does not have the Pure mode whereas the M does.

BDP-LX52, my BD buddy

Man, I sure like those little awards next to them TVs. Ermmm.... no clue what they mean though

This post has been edited by serendipity168: Mar 9 2010, 09:04 PM

the word just under kuro lineup is plasma tv (A) and under it is plasma monitor (M)...

to japanese, tv equals plus tuners, monitors no tuners...but then their tv is really different. tuners,lan, etc ...

thanks AFD - i've tried to check under Home but can't seem to find it ... can anyone help me specifically pls?

Meaning that M are monitors so they just can receive direct input from source like HDMI, and A's are equipped with tuners to tune channels like RTM1, RTM2 from the general antenna?

p/s : i still haven't compare the chris botti live in boston and with friends yet - owe u first ...

and also the calibration tips u gave me last time, i got lost too course some fields were not available in the 508XG ... : ( as below :

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Added on March 10, 2010, 9:33 amwow .. how much is the LX 52 now?

This post has been edited by netken: Mar 10 2010, 09:33 AM

Can someone tell me,
how can I know when my Panel and Receiver were manufactured?
Is there a sticker some where on the box or the equipment?

This post has been edited by formalin: Mar 10 2010, 09:54 AM

Formalin,

For that you'll probably need to know how to decipher the serial numbers

Btw - a question posed to you from a different thread, have you decided on the HTP-LX70? Can your BD-320 play pirated $10 DVD9 discs?

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Added on March 6, 2010, 3:34 pmBros,

Please share a picture or two on your current setup. Here's mine in an earlier posting.
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My minimalist approach

TV Model : Pioneer KRP-500A
Blu-Ray Player: Pioneer BDP-LX52
Home Theater: Pioneer HTZ-LX61

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Dear Bro,

How do U rate this Home Theater: Pioneer HTZ-LX61? Can is your write a short review on this item based on your own experience? It will certainly help me whether to get it or not?

[quote=formalin,Mar 10 2010, 12:02 PM]

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Added on March 6, 2010, 3:34 pmBros,

Please share a picture or two on your current setup. Here's mine in an earlier posting.
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My minimalist approach

TV Model : Pioneer KRP-500A
Blu-Ray Player: Pioneer BDP-LX52
Home Theater: Pioneer HTZ-LX61

[/quote]

Dear Bro,

How do U rate this Home Theater: Pioneer HTZ-LX61? Can is your write a short review on this item based on your own experience? It will certainly help me whether to get it or not?

[/quote]


That is what I'm trying to do

Need you to answer these questions first:

Can your BD-320 play pirated $10 DVD9 discs? hmm.gif

I have not decided on the HTP-LX70 yet.., Yes the BD320 can perform very well on any disc U throw at it..

Answer in http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1000020/+360

This post has been edited by formalin: Mar 10 2010, 12:08 PM

u kuro kakis buy xpensif tvs to watch ahem dvds??

This post has been edited by ronnt88: Mar 10 2010, 12:06 PM

kena perli oredi .....

for me i only watch DVDs if i cannot find a BD on that movie loh ...

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Added on March 10, 2010, 12:16 pmhere's the BDP for drooling ... http://pioneer.jp/blu-ray/index.html



This post has been edited by netken: Mar 10 2010, 12:16 PM

Dude, try this:

1) From remote control, press Input 3 button (top row). Input 3-4-5 are HDMI.
2) When you are in Input 3, press HOME MENU.
3) Choose Option
4) Choose HDMI Input
5) Choose Setting=ENABLE, Signal Type = VIDEO, video=AUTO, Audio=AUTO.

It should work.

i read this thread title and assumed kuro kakis r elites & got std mah... mana tau support ahem dvds wans ...

jatuh std only ...

This post has been edited by ronnt88: Mar 10 2010, 01:31 PM

sigh, i hesitated to send a pm when i see this topic..

see people already label and already form a perception....

some ppl say 508XG is not Kuro ... because dun have KRP in front ...

anyone can confirm? 508XG is 8th gen .. KRP is 9th gen?

Guys,

Please do not form any preconceive notions about the question. It was not intended to advocate any forms of piracy but to understand how a particular BD player works.

The question was brought up because some players are more sensitive than others. Whereas I have heard Philips players can play all types of discs.

Forums are intended for discussions, is it not?

Does owing an expensive HT system gives you the right to judge?

oh..... u mean to say that u were just asking if the player can play ahem discs without any intention to play ahem discs la. ic ic ... that makes..... no sense at all. i was born at night but not last night la bro... makan cili tau pedas la bro...

P/S : i would like to check with the MOD but I assume yes, forums are meant for discussions but still jatuh muka if the discussions revolve around piracy affiliated topics. I just read in thestar papers today that M'sia may be out of USA's DVD piracy watch list but looks like we still a long long way to go lor.....

This post has been edited by ronnt88: Mar 10 2010, 03:13 PM

all sifus.. i know this Kuro model is a big thing in this forum... but correct me if i m wrong.. i heard Pioneer is closing off in like 2 yrs time, and rumors saying they already sold their TV technology to panasonic, especially plasma
is that true at all?

one person writing in the topic doesnt mean EVERYONE is supporting "ahem"...

peace bro...we just want to discuss or share stuff concerning the tv itself

no need to label elite etc...

Haha.. funny. There is another forumer who mention that he can't play an ori DVD on his player. Are you assuming that has to do with piracy as well?

What's the issue about a discussion on pirate discs? Since when is 'Ahem' a taboo to mention?

Perhaps, you can be the catalyst by doing some real work clean up on the streets? No point being 'Mr Clean' here to boost your ego here.

Malaysia on the watch list? Sigh..... you should start cleaning up you own back yard in Penang first, my friend

Then everyone here will be more than happy to donate to your cause

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Added on March 10, 2010, 3:35 pmQuite right. A few KURO engineers have already gone to the Panasonic Plasma division

This post has been edited by serendipity168: Mar 10 2010, 03:35 PM

Dang, maybe support ahem dvd then only can afford kuro? Something to ponder about.

Pls tell me you don't have a piece of the ahem disc??

all sifus and bros ...

kuro or non kuro members are also human - nothing special or extraordinary about us ...

just some ppl's preferences whether to spend on kuro or not ... and i dun consider myself elite etc at all ...

just my 2 biji cent ... pls dun marah ...

To afford KURO:

Saving on Pirated DVDs - A bit tough la but you can try
Selling tax free imported BDs - Sure Boleh!

bro serend .... can help on the below question kah?

some ppl say 508XG is not Kuro ... because dun have KRP in front ...

anyone can confirm? 508XG is 8th gen .. KRP is 9th gen?

Funny, don't believe any owners here ever claimed they are elite or otherwise. I doubt they will.

Btw - does owning a freaking TV makes one 'Elite' or a nice sound system a GOD? What a joke!

Attention-deficit issues, perhaps? Spend less time playing video games and get a life la

betul betul exactly my thoughts

- my respond was to those who think we are some elite or got standard ...

No, that's wrong information.

Pioneer only ceased its display division. They still enjoy a remarkable market for Car audio as well as home entertainment products.

The actual Kuro; namely KRP-500A and KRP-600A should be off the market by now due to the frenzy buying before CNY unless there are some dealers who are still holding some stocks.

KRP-500A in abt RM12K range while KRP-600A is at abt RM23K. IMHO, this is the best display panel in the market.

No worries la, Bro. This is merely the Pioneer PDP thread. Not the 'Elite Only' thread la

means its true that 508XG is not a kuro loh .... cialat ***

thought i saw somewhere in kuro brochure that 508XG was in ..

nonetheless - just enjoy lah horr ...

Penang Harvey Norman still got 508XG and KRP-500A. Price RM9k and RM14k respectively.


I'm comparing 508XG(RM9k) with Samsung LED TV 55B6000(RM10k). Any comment?

i've done that comparison before i bought the 508XG .. with the 40" B7000 ..

finally thought i try the plasma since i have a 42A77 sharp before ...

if u really can maybe go for the KRP once and for all is u choose plasma.

Hi Netken,

508XG and 428XG are Kuros. 8th generation Pioneer Plasmas, 1st generation 'kuro's. KRP500A is 9th generation, or some consider 9.5 generation Kuros ; they were the last Plasmas out, I believe they came out end of 2008 while the true 9th generation LX5090 ( for 50" ) came out in mid 2008.

This post has been edited by SyriuS: Mar 10 2010, 06:31 PM

i don't. but now i know u do...

i can't clean up the streets (on behalf of others) but at least i'm not dirtying it

This post has been edited by ronnt88: Mar 11 2010, 08:45 AM

anyone know's how to overcome the recent Astro Byond firmware upgrade?

seems that the pics are in Zoom now instead of stretch ..

can't see the subtitles and ppl's head are cut out ..

kuro settings : FULL

byond : Zoom

suggestions?

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Added on March 12, 2010, 8:30 amthanks bro - just saw ur tip .. will try at home ...

This post has been edited by netken: Mar 12 2010, 08:30 AM

I thought my FIL press something and make the screen look zoom in

and I did this to correct it

on b.yond = TV setting ---> choose pillar box
on the Kuro --> Option --> choose "Wide Zoom"

it will appear as 4:3 for like 3-4 sec and the TV will adjust to 16:9 automatically...but the Picture look not as good as the previous if the setting is wide zoom by the b.yond....

thanks bro - will try it out later when i get home ...

sd - use component@1
hd - hdmi

byond - pillar box.

if byond use zoom, you ll stuck with cropped picture..blah

Thanks bos for the tips. 've got same issue as netken. i thought over time it will automatically adjust. tonite will try your tips.


yup, it works just like u said. tq

This post has been edited by logy: Mar 13 2010, 12:28 AM

Here are some settings that I created for my older 428XG for the Astro B.yond Box.

These settings are quite bright and can be used for all the HD channels. However, for the sports channels some might prefer a slightly brighter image. When I get the time I will create one for that. These settings were created using a pattern generator at 1080i. Since Astro does not broadcast any test signals, we have to hope that they adhere to the HD standards. The PACE STB uses Broadcom chipset that shd handle SD to HD colour space conversion correctly. However, YMMV with the various programming since they source the channels from various countries.

I have not tested the accuracy of them with Astro b.yond per se as my Astro is currently hooked up to my other set but they shd be pretty good.

Notes to keep in mind.

I will not be responsible if any problems arise with anyone using these settings. Use them if u want, else don't use them. They do not sustitute a proper calibration as each set is unique. My set has already 2500hrs on it so its pretty much broken in. The settings give a bright image (~40ftL) that shd be more than bright enuf. I doubt they can be used for the 508XG but it does not hurt trying. Also, if your set is less than 200hrs I woud suggest toning down the contrast to below 30. This reduces the chances of burn in from the bright Astro logos. If I use the ISF modes, the greyscale is flatter, but I can only do it on site.

Anyway enjoy. I also attach the calibration reports for these settings based on my set. BTW, I always fill the screen when I watch Astro, so under Options I use Auto Wide Zoom.




Attached File(s)
 428XG_1080iHD_Report_Gamut.pdf ( 106.21k ) Number of downloads: 20
 428XG_1080iHD_Report_Greyscale.pdf ( 126.84k ) Number of downloads: 17
 8_G_Astro_B.yond_Box_Settings.txt ( 1.16k ) Number of downloads: 38

im in bertam now, will try this once im back in kl..

@my set close to 2200+ hours too..hehehe

thanks mate!

Great info, adude!

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Added on March 15, 2010, 10:17 amPhew... just got back from a biz trip. Hope everyone is well

Hey Mod, thanks for taking out the trash talkers. In the spirit of sharing, let's get back to our little discussion here

For those KURO owners who have yet to own a HT system and would like to add a little bling with good audio to boot, check this out:


Q Acoustics - QAV 5.1



Featured here is the Pioneer KURO 50"



BMR (Balanced Mode Radiator) drivers based on NXT Tech (from New Transducers), Star Trek stuff yes?

Want to know more, read the WhatHifi review below:

http://whathifi.com/review/Q-Acoustics-Q-AV/




This post has been edited by serendipity168: Mar 15 2010, 10:17 AM

thanks for the astro byond's settings

thanks AFD for the tuning tip!

S168 - u got jalan for that Q Acoustic speaker?

mine already comes with the standard side speaker

Bro, mine came with std speakers too. Then again, std speakers are std speakers, I guess

No Kang-Tau at the moment. Not sure if some of the other models come with std speakers, if not then this might be worth considering?

Unlike the regular soundbars that either sits in front or hangs below the TV, this baby integrate seamlessly with the TV itself.

Btw, The Q-A emblem is a magnet. Can be removed, it need be. Nice touch, eh?

how much? where to buy?

[quote=norazwan79,Mar 15 2010, 09:03 PM]how much? where to buy?

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Bro, no idea la CT Seong, a little help please?

Even the subwoofer can be wall mounted. Zen eh?

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Added on March 15, 2010, 9:51 pm[quote=formalin,Mar 10 2010, 12:02 PM]

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Added on March 6, 2010, 3:34 pm

Dear Bro,

How do U rate this Home Theater: Pioneer HTZ-LX61? Can is your write a short review on this item based on your own experience? It will certainly help me whether to get it or not?


Hi Buddy,

I've overlooked your query earlier, my bad

Review, huh? Hmmm.... no idea what to write laugh.gif Considering that I'm staying in an apt. this HTIB fits the bill. A lot of variables to consider e.g. living room space, look n feel (whether it'll blend in with the rest of the stuff i.e. furniture, etc.), fussy neighbors, wiring, etc, etc.

There's always a trade-off between brawn and finesse

I'm very pleased with it. Though it'll only decode standard Dolby & DTS, your BD player should be able to handle Dolby True HD & DTS-HD Master Audio to LPCM. Special thanks to Ngto, for shedding some light into this topic.

Though small, it can dish out sonic booms albeit it can't shake the 2000sq ft apt

I opt for this unit as I couldn't find a way to fit the LX-70's massive double cone subwoofer around my TV cabinet

You'll also need to tinker with the settings a bit starting off with MACC calibration to get the best out of it.

Other than the lower price point, the LX61 comes with a very capable 1080P upscalling DVD player. I tend to use it a lot for my music CD collection

Oh yeah, the touch sensors is pretty cool and KURO link works exceptionally well with the rest of my setup

You'll find more info in the attachment below cheers.gif

 5.1_DVD_Home_Theatre_System___HTZLX61___Pioneer_Australia.pdf ( 121.44k ) Number of downloads: 12

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Added on March 15, 2010, 10:10 pm[quote=lightastral,Mar 13 2010, 08:18 PM]
im in bertam now, will try this once im back in kl..

@my set close to 2200+ hours too..hehehe

thanks mate!

[/quote]
Well, there's still a whole lot of mileage left. 2200+ is a drop in the bucket

This post has been edited by serendipity168: Mar 15 2010, 10:10 PM

Thanks Bro serendipity168,

For your short write up on the Pioneer HTZ-LX61, I still considering it or others, BTW my AV room is also quite small 14’ X 12”..

Bro, if space is a constraint then better not get something too bombastic.

If you can't play it at the optimal level then your investment is underutilized.

Yeah, a big setup will also take up more of your existing space.

Boys will be boys. Bigger boys, bigger toys

As tempting as it might be to fill your room with toys, I think comfort also plays an important role in your overall HT experience

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Added on March 17, 2010, 10:10 amBro, managed to find out that the QAV 5.1 is available in these locations:

- HiWay Laser (SS2)
- the HifiShop (1U)
- Desa HT, Kepong

Word is, display units are available in both HiWay & Desa (I have not visually confirm this). Best to call before heading over.

Damage around $4K ish.



This post has been edited by serendipity168: Mar 17 2010, 10:10 AM

Which AVR U think work best with it?

Susanno SC-LX90........

Bro, I don't think you need an AVR with this HT system. Everything is built-in unless you need some extra input/output for your setup.

If you're still keen in AVR, it is best to explore other options

Isn't it a complete speaker system that required an AVR to drive it?

Not too sure, haven't really dwell into it

This might help:

http://www.qacoustics.co.uk/q-av/51-system.htm

so nice now - astro back to normal ....

hmmm ... .... what's next?

I just checked the scaling of the box vs the scaling of the Kuro. I believe the scaling of the Kuro is better by quite a bit. The aspect ratio is better preserved (compared to the linear stretching of the box) with the Kuro's progressive scaling.

I guess you must be using the Wide1 option where it stretches progressively towards the sides.

This post has been edited by SyriuS: Mar 18 2010, 09:43 PM

I believe so. I use the Auto Wide Zoom, but Wide 1 shd be the one as it is used for HD signals.

Pioneer Plasma TV at Mcdonald's!!!!!!! I couldn't believe it when I saw it. Such a waste.

Pioneer Plasma TV at McDonald's! OMFG!

I saw this at Center point McD.
I shown it to my wifey that morning. She smiled at me.

Students can watch football game there at night.
Most of the time it's packed with ppl for the free wifi and tvs.

nods, definitely scaling by kuro produces better results. oh btw, tested your astro setting.

for HD content, excellent result indeed. better than all the avs forum setting that i ve tried. deeper black depth, and the color tone is nice

thumbs up, thanks bro.

dun tell me its a kuro?!!

From the picture, looks like a 507XG, due to the hint of silver at the back. But I may be wrong

So far this is what I've noticed:

Bangsar McDonalds : 2 Pioneer 427XG

Pusat Bandar Damansara: At least 1 Kuro 508XG

This post has been edited by SyriuS: Mar 19 2010, 02:16 PM