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post Feb 14 2007, 09:51 AM, updated 16y ago

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Just wondering why no one starts an X-fi thread yet??

Nobody likes creative??? laugh.gif

Anyway, just bought an X-Fi XtremeMusic...CNY instinct purchase due to cannot resist good offer...LOL.

Currently only using it with my main rig as in my sig. Speakers are Creative 4.1 speakers.

Haven't much time to do some testing yet.

Initial impression:
X-Fi is definitely >>>>> SB live 5.1. I find my old SB Live 5.1 (recently sold) really crummy and frankly not much better than on-board sound.

Music:
Sounds great. But is it better than my Prodigy LT? Can't say for sure. I'll probably need to take my main rig and plug it into my Yamaha receiver & 5.1 speakers in the living room to do an accurate test.

24-bit crystalizer:
a lot of hoo-hass has been made by Creative over this. I dunno sometimes when i on it, it sounds as though the "Loud" button has been pushed. Sometimes it does sounds better though. I think the improvement is more significant when playing MP3s ripped at 128k (from err...dunno where...ahem).. than when i play high-quality WMA/MP3 rip from my CDs, the improvement is not so significant.

Games:
Not a heavy gamer. Only tested with BFME2 so far. Other than being nice and crisp, nothing really significant. But then again, this is not the kinda game to test this card.

Movies:
Not tested yet.

Installation:
I've sort of screwed up my installation by downloading latest drivers instead of using the installation CDs. Problem is, in order to install all the other apps, u need to use the CD instead. I've tried running the setup manually for each of the app and it won't work. E-mailed Creative with my problem and got a response next day. They just point me to their knowledge base for procedures for a complete installation clean up (not so straightfoward!).

Anyway, solved the problem myself.


VISTA:
Tested in VISTA too. Some of the Creative apps don't run properly with messages keeps popping up saying something. EAX don't work anymore. In BFME2, i tried setting the EAX3 option on (only EAX 3....X-Fi is EAX 5)...it says "EAX 3 is NOT SUPPORTED by your hardware". Thanks VISTA. doh.gif

No doubt, EAX is dead and gone in VISTA, with OPEN AL as the new library.


X-Fi owners, share ur experience here!

This post has been edited by Matrix: Feb 14 2007, 10:34 AM
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post Feb 15 2007, 12:11 AM

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QUOTE(Matrix @ Feb 14 2007, 09:51 AM)
VISTA:
Tested in VISTA too. Some of the Creative apps don't run properly with messages keeps popping up saying something. EAX don't work anymore. In BFME2, i tried setting the EAX3 option on (only EAX 3....X-Fi is EAX 5)...it says "EAX 3 is NOT SUPPORTED by your hardware". Thanks VISTA.  doh.gif

No doubt, EAX is dead and gone in VISTA, with OPEN AL as the new library.
X-Fi owners, share ur experience here!
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For gaming in Vista for X-Fi, have you try out ALchemy:

http://preview.creativelabs.com/alchemy/default.aspx
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post Feb 15 2007, 09:03 AM

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QUOTE(master_audio @ Feb 15 2007, 12:11 AM)
For gaming in Vista for X-Fi, have you try out ALchemy:

http://preview.creativelabs.com/alchemy/default.aspx
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Wahh...finally got 1 reply. Thanks for the tip.

Looks like people dun like Creative around here wor... sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif
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post Feb 15 2007, 09:07 AM

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I owned X-fi xtrememusic. Bought for 460 from niclasteoh in june 2006. Pair with logitech z5400 now. compare with Audigy 1se, the sounds great and clarity. but due to lack of vista support it force me to stick with XP.

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post Feb 15 2007, 09:12 AM

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QUOTE(swgiant @ Feb 15 2007, 09:07 AM)
I owned X-fi xtrememusic. Bought for 460 from niclasteoh in april 2006. Pair with logitech z5400 now. compare with Audigy 1se, the sounds great and clarity. but due to lack of vista support it force me to stick with XP.
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yeah VISTA support is very dodgy. It has beta drivers now but seems to have problems. I've a strange problem, sometimes it refuse to play MP3 in VISTA (using Windows Media player/ MCE), after reboot it'll work. If it doesn't, then need to reboot again!!!!

That's why i've dual boot currenty. Currently VISTA have not much use...only use it to surf net!!! doh.gif
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post Feb 15 2007, 09:17 AM

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Congratulation for all the X-FI owner ... i am one myself and owning it for almost a year long..

this is indeed the best sound card i used up to date and does not fail me when comes to performance. Basically this card is meant to be paired with a THX supported speaker as normal speaker just cant squish out the best performance from it ...

i had tried to hook it with other lower end speaker and even my latest SONY headset .... but nth sound as perfect as the THX speaker.

the only down side of the sound card is the driver installation.. it get crash when doing updating sometimes ..
anyway ... happy X-FI thread being formed
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post Feb 15 2007, 09:18 AM

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anyway few weeks ago i ran through the creative forum, the mod claimed that the vista WHQL driver will be pending till somewhere in March. Hope will fix all the existing problem... smile.gif

Added on February 15, 2007, 9:32 ambut one i dislikes is creative monopolize the EAX, it makes no other competitors to compete with him... sad.gif

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post Feb 15 2007, 08:26 PM

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hello everyone. im here for seeking advices on soundcard and speakers. im not sure how much in stores so yeah pretty unsure about budget yet. smile.gif
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post Feb 15 2007, 10:40 PM

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deleted.....found the answer and solved the problem

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post Feb 15 2007, 10:48 PM

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well.. i used 2 sound cards..
i like xfi when comes to games.. but its basic driver package size is whopping 40MB while my maya driver size is over 100x smaller which is abt 450Kb. (yup... its less than half megabyte.. its that small)
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post Feb 15 2007, 11:59 PM

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QUOTE(jinaun @ Feb 15 2007, 10:48 PM)
well.. i used 2 sound cards..
i like xfi when comes to games.. but its basic driver package size is whopping 40MB while my maya driver size is over 100x smaller which is abt 450Kb. (yup... its less than half megabyte.. its that small)
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A lot of the stuff can be disabled...there's one DLLML.EXE is sucking 50% of my CPU resource!!! I disabled all the stuff...it's not needed anyway. Creative drivers are not very good me thinks. Loads of junk that hogs resources for no good reasons.
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post Feb 16 2007, 08:20 PM

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i owned xtreme music bought at rm390 exactly 1 year ago b4 CNY.
and yeah, creative installer installed a lot of things unnessasary for normal users which hogs the pc.
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post Mar 3 2007, 12:29 AM

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just got my fatal1ty today . Dunno how to use...hehe...
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post Mar 3 2007, 12:32 AM

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vista support from creative sucks big time, i recon stick with xp instead
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post Mar 3 2007, 09:18 AM

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Iz it X-Fi xtreme music got any difference with the Audiotrack Prodigy 192? Quite noob at here!!! Thx!!!
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post Mar 3 2007, 12:51 PM

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QUOTE(Hwoarang45 @ Mar 3 2007, 12:32 AM)
vista support from creative sucks big time, i recon stick with xp instead
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Actually Creative drivers sucks big time. It has known problem with Nforce mobo till today also cannot resolve.

My X-fi occasionall got hiss sound when boot up (XP) and it'll be gone after re-start. Luckily it's not very often, just encountered once or twice. VISTA support is even more horrible. Most of the software that comes with the card don't even run at all.

Is there any Intel X-Fi user here with hiss sound problem?

Added on March 3, 2007, 12:55 pm
QUOTE(jtcs87 @ Mar 3 2007, 09:18 AM)
Iz it X-Fi xtreme music got any difference with the Audiotrack Prodigy 192? Quite noob at here!!! Thx!!!
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Quite hard to say. I've both Prodigy LT and X-fi in different rigs. Can't do fare comparison coz my Prodigy got the better receiver and speakers. But i can say both are good. The X-fi crystalizer is pretty good sometimes, depending on the source.

Still if you want to use HTPC rig, i'll still prefer my Prodigy LT due to it's multitude of connectors including optical and coaxial connectors. One of the biggest drawback of the X-fi is the "3 in 1 Flexi jack" which acts as mic/line/in and digital out all in one. If you intend to use the digital out, there's no where u can plug in a MIC at the same time. Creative should be shot for being such a cheapskate and cutting cost on such corners on such an expensive card!!! vmad.gif

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X-fi crystalizer is gud for normal use!!! Bt nowadays creative is cut cost on x-fi adi!!! I thought the product at before is better!!! Jz my 2 cent only!!! icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Mar 3 2007, 02:00 PM

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Semm like many ppl complain bout d vista still cant support all d function of x-fi.
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Fatal1ty is good gaming . Is it good for recording Sounds too?
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post Mar 8 2007, 12:32 AM

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QUOTE(minde @ Mar 7 2007, 10:28 PM)
Fatal1ty is good gaming . Is it good for recording Sounds too?
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X-fi is good for recording sounds. x-ram provided by x-fi fatal1ty is good for gamers.
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post Mar 8 2007, 06:19 AM

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post Mar 8 2007, 07:07 AM

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QUOTE(Matrix @ Mar 2 2007, 11:51 PM)
Actually Creative drivers sucks big time. It has known problem with Nforce mobo till today also cannot resolve.

My X-fi occasionall got hiss sound when boot up (XP) and it'll be gone after re-start. Luckily it's not very often, just encountered once or twice. VISTA support is even more horrible. Most of the software that comes with the card don't even run at all.

Is there any Intel X-Fi user here with hiss sound problem?

Added on March 3, 2007, 12:55 pm

Quite hard to say. I've both Prodigy LT and X-fi in different rigs. Can't do fare comparison coz my Prodigy got the better receiver and speakers. But i can say both are good. The X-fi crystalizer is pretty good sometimes, depending on the source.

Still if you want to use HTPC rig, i'll still prefer my Prodigy LT due to it's multitude of connectors including optical and coaxial connectors. One of the biggest drawback of the X-fi is the "3 in 1 Flexi jack" which acts as mic/line/in and digital out all in one. If you intend to use the digital out, there's no where u can plug in a MIC at the same time. Creative should be shot for being such a cheapskate and cutting cost on such corners on such an expensive card!!! vmad.gif
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I have no problems with the X-fi, except for the ridiculously huge driver package. I don't use any of the "fancy" creative BS panels,, only Audioconsole, which is so much more streamlined. I turn off all the crap settings like crystalizer or whateverizer. It sounds good. No complaints, it actually works without problems for me on XP.

About the problems with Nforce mobos, i don't blame creative. I'm almost certain it's a Nvidia issue. They do a lot of stuff in a non standard way on the Nforce (which is why i never liked Nforce mobos). This includes even their hard drive interface. I believe there is something weird with the way the Nforce handles PCI requests, the latency is too high.
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QUOTE(ikanayam @ Mar 8 2007, 07:07 AM)
I have no problems with the X-fi, except for the ridiculously huge driver package. I don't use any of the "fancy" creative BS panels,, only Audioconsole, which is so much more streamlined. I turn off all the crap settings like crystalizer or whateverizer. It sounds good. No complaints, it actually works without problems for me on XP.

About the problems with Nforce mobos, i don't blame creative. I'm almost certain it's a Nvidia issue. They do a lot of stuff in a non standard way on the Nforce (which is why i never liked Nforce mobos). This includes even their hard drive interface. I believe there is something weird with the way the Nforce handles PCI requests, the latency is too high.
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Yeah, Nforce mobo is weird...I sure hope AMD/ATI will come out with a good alternative soon ..or is there one already?? Otherwise, i think i'm gonna ditch the AMD platform in favor of Intel the next time i upgrade.
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post Mar 14 2007, 12:59 PM

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QUOTE(Matrix @ Mar 8 2007, 09:30 AM)
Yeah, Nforce mobo is weird...I sure hope AMD/ATI will come out with a good alternative soon ..or is there one already?? Otherwise, i think i'm gonna ditch the AMD platform in favor of Intel the next time i upgrade.
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well, why u said like that? can i know? bcuz i want to buy nforce based mobo for my new rig plus x-fi sound card, plz tell me why blink.gif

i more thing, is there any different with x-fi xtremegamer and x-fi xtrememusic, how much their diffrent..

which one is good bcuz i love to music n i love to gaming too.. rclxub.gif

plz share ur experience..

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jz get the extreme gamer as u're in gaming(might help increase some fps)...x-fi series performed equally in music SQ except the elite pro which hav better DACs but cost RM1k+...

if u're an audiophile u can always get a great DAC via digital out from ur x-fi card...but its better to hav a studio/professional card rather than an external DAC...a good source is more important for audio
overall it depends on ur budget and personal preferences..
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post Mar 14 2007, 03:16 PM

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Is it nowadays creative is starting cut cost on X-FI? Anyone just bought X-Fi series sound card?
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ok.. but wat about someone say that nforce mobo are weird with this x-fi? can someone xplain to me plzz (ikanayam or matrix plz explain)
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i'm using it wif nForce 4-U based mobo for 1 year...no problem so far
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post Mar 17 2007, 09:55 AM

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QUOTE(MechaHerc @ Mar 14 2007, 12:59 PM)
well, why u said like that? can i know? bcuz i want to buy nforce based mobo for my new rig plus x-fi sound card, plz tell me why blink.gif

i more thing, is there any different with x-fi xtremegamer and x-fi xtrememusic, how much their diffrent..

which one is good bcuz i love to music n i love to gaming too.. rclxub.gif

plz share ur experience..
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You're bound to encounter some problems with X-fi/nforce combo. Sometimes i've the hiss sound problem but it doesn't occurs very often, just once in a long while. Previiously also having some other problem but i'm not sure it's the X-fi or something else. Now, it's okay most of the time, but there are many users on the web that reported recurring problems.

btw, DON'T BUY XTREMEGAMER edition unless you have too much money to spend (which in case, i'll not stop you. smile.gif ) The Xtrememusic performs just as well in gaming.
Don't waste a few hundred bucks just to see 1 possible extra fps which you won't notice anyway. You might as well save the money for a better GPU or CPU.

btw, Extrememusic retails for only RM399 at ALL IT Hypermarket (digital mall)....if u know people, can go lower...smile.gif


NEWS FLASH:
Latest X-FI VISTA beta drivers released on 15th March 2007.
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post Mar 20 2007, 01:27 PM

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QUOTE(Matrix @ Mar 17 2007, 09:55 AM)
NEWS FLASH:
Latest X-FI VISTA beta drivers released on 15th March 2007.
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this driver sucks.
really really suck
i downloaded it twice already, cant even install. rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
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post Mar 20 2007, 03:43 PM

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QUOTE(woopypooky @ Mar 20 2007, 01:27 PM)
this driver sucks.
really really suck
i downloaded it twice already, cant even install. rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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I can install, but this vista driver still same with the 1st version. A lot of feature is gone
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the vista driver is terrible...those features i seldom(not even) use them,if they're missing its ok for me...but when come to sound...
hope they fix it asap...cant even listen to a single song properly...
hissing all the way..
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hello, i wanna ask that is the difference between A2ZS and X-fi large?
in terms of music and the gaming aspect, any big differences?

i need ur opinion coz im planning to buy a new sound card, at the moment im using a2zs.

is extrememusic good enough for budget user in both gaming and music?
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stay wif ur a2zs,its good enuf...the diff is better UI and X-Fi feel,u wont notice any obvious SQ diff between them..
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The vista driver is horrible, terrible, and incredible. sucks vmad.gif
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post Mar 25 2007, 07:47 PM

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Hello need some pro advice.I currently using creative live value 4.1 and pair with altec lansing FX6021. If i change my card into x-fi extreme music does it help and have breathtaking noticeable change? Need advice pls.~Thanks
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"breathtaking"...
studio card only will giv u such sound...mayb u can try the 0404...same price wif the x-fi...unless u're serious gamer
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post Mar 26 2007, 12:32 AM

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QUOTE(justone @ Mar 25 2007, 07:58 PM)
"breathtaking"...
studio card only will giv u such sound...mayb u can try the 0404...same price wif the x-fi...unless u're serious gamer
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errr i dun have much knowdlege in sound category...sry.. btw 0404 meant wad?i oni heard turtle creative and little about sound card. *Normally i juz listen to MP3 song. Juz wan to enhance the sound quality as my speaker is not the bottle net i think so...
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post Mar 26 2007, 12:41 AM

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QUOTE(Oxburg @ Mar 26 2007, 12:32 AM)
errr i dun have much knowdlege in sound category...sry.. btw 0404 meant wad?i oni heard turtle creative and little about sound card. *Normally i juz listen to MP3 song. Juz wan to enhance the sound quality as my speaker is not the bottle net i think so...
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You have a nice piece of speaker (the one I want to buy actually, but end up buying Klipsch Promedia GMX). Go treat yourself by buying X-Fi XtremeMusic (not XtremeAudio, its just rebadged Audigy SE) if you have the money.

But first some test, if you can hear the difference between uncompressed music (from original CD's) with compressed (and lossy) codec like mp3 then buying a new soundcard is worthwhile. Some people wont notice the difference though rclxub.gif

EDIT: 0404 is Creative professional sound card, here it is
http://www.creative.com/products/product.a...9&product=15760

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if u're not an audiophile...i think u go for a2zs is enough,but make sure u get the latest driver or any other custom drivers that are stable...creative is bad in their drivers...
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hahaha....i'm using one too. no probs with nforce mobo. havent tried with any 5.1 speakers tho.
vista eh? shouldn' blame creative. it is the stupid microsoft with the damned vista. i'll stay primitive and xp.
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sometime i use vista to play a song with foobar2000,got hissing sound or lag a while....izzit the x-fi problem?
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post Apr 16 2007, 01:24 PM

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here is a modified version of creative driver for X-FI in VISTA.
http://www.youp-pax.org/viewthread.php?tid...&extra=page%3D1

- Console Starter (including audio creation mode)
- THX Console (including bass-redirection)
- 3D MIDI Player
- MediaSource 5
- Vienna Soundfront Studio
- WaveStudio 7
- SmartRecorder
- Karaoke Player
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currently using onboard realtek97.. sort of interested in xfixtrememusic..
any noticeble improvement? mp3 listening and gaming?
what type of headphones are better paired with it so that i can get its full potential?
but what im worried is im using nforce4 mobo
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post Apr 17 2007, 04:46 PM

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im using x-fi also.
mine is x-fi xtreme music.

as a former user of onboard realtek, i have to say that there are major improvements, especially in terms of clarity.
its like an ear plug being remove from your ear.
at least thats how i feel...
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x-fi fatality and xmod user reporting in.
one of the best sound card i ever use.. anyway i've only use creative cards all this while
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just brought Xtream music today tongue.gif

i am using 2.1 speaker i plug in the port 1, then how about my headset put in which port?

i put in port 2, 3 and digital port also no sound come out??

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3rd hole from the firewire port
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u means pulg in the 3rd port? still same no sound come out?

or is it cannot synchronize headset and speaker use together?
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QUOTE(Najmods @ Mar 26 2007, 12:41 AM)
You have a nice piece of speaker (the one I want to buy actually, but end up buying Klipsch Promedia GMX). Go treat yourself by buying X-Fi XtremeMusic (not XtremeAudio, its just rebadged Audigy SE) if you have the money.

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Out of all the basic x-fis, extrememusic is the best right? I'm contemplating a buy this week, is this a good time to buy or is there going to be a price drop over the horizon?

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QUOTE(SpikeTwo @ Mar 26 2007, 12:09 PM)
hahaha....i'm using one too. no probs with nforce mobo. havent tried with any 5.1 speakers tho.
vista eh? shouldn' blame creative. it is the stupid microsoft with the damned vista. i'll stay primitive and xp.
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Damn right, with hard disk sizes these days I could always dual boot.

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hello to all

1st of all this is my current setup:

Marshall amp --> Line-In( X-fi Extreme Music) --> 5.1 Creative P5800

the only problem i had is..my guitar's volume is way to slow when i start to play along with any mp3. IF guitar alone, the volume is fine. i hope u guys understand lol. i've tried every setting here n there but the result is still same..

last time when i use onboard audio n 2.1 speakers, ALL works great!

i wanna testing n record my playing (for fun) but i can't becuz i can't hear my guitar when i play alongside backing trax. see what i mean?

hope someone can help me. icon_question.gif
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post May 20 2007, 10:55 PM

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X-Fi Xtreme Music user here. Using it with 4-way chapalang stereo speaker right now. Will upgrade to Z5500 soon (used to use Creative S750). I used Vista for a bit, now back to XP. No driver/apps problem in Vista with YouP Pax. smile.gif Will use Vista back once i build my new PC.
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A new X-FI Xtreme Music user here... ^^
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post May 28 2007, 09:33 AM

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Oh-oh...my X-Fi is acting bizzarre recently...or is it the speaker?

Sometimes, when i start up my PC (WinXP), i'll get high-scrrech noise from my speakers/headphone.

I'll have to go to the console and select the speakers/headphone and it'll be back to normal again...

Could it be due to me connecting both the speaker and headphones simultaneously (using a Y splitter)? It's been working for 1 month+ fine until now though...Sometime whenever i on the speaker volume when startup...get heart attack by the sudden high pitch noise!!! sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Joseph Hahn @ May 20 2007, 10:55 PM)
X-Fi Xtreme Music user here. Using it with 4-way chapalang stereo speaker right now. Will upgrade to Z5500 soon (used to use Creative S750). I used Vista for a bit, now back to XP. No driver/apps problem in Vista with YouP Pax. smile.gif Will use Vista back once i build my new PC.
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the creative s750 doesnt quite pair with xfi? why change to z5500? lol...
cos i am quite interested to pair some 5.1 to my xfi to utilize its power. haha...
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Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Driver For Vista 2.15.0002 driver is out !
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creative sound blaster X-Fi Fatality Fps owner here installing drivers now

Added on June 2, 2007, 9:42 amno replies? lol

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Hi, recently i've purchased a 2nd hand x-fi which didn't come with the ori driver CD.. i've downloaded the driver and also the mediasource player, and everything from the creative xfi homepage.. but where do i download those THX configuration, EAX console, crystallisation, and many other plug in for this soundcard? btw im using x-fi xtrememusic.. i cant seem to find them on the creative website.. thx smile.gif
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QUOTE(Matrix @ May 28 2007, 09:33 AM)
Oh-oh...my X-Fi is acting bizzarre recently...or is it the speaker?

Sometimes, when i start up my PC (WinXP), i'll get high-scrrech noise from my speakers/headphone.

I'll have to go to the console and select the speakers/headphone and it'll be back to normal again...

Could it be due to me connecting both the speaker and headphones simultaneously (using a Y splitter)? It's been working for 1 month+ fine until now though...Sometime whenever i on the speaker volume when startup...get heart attack by the sudden high pitch noise!!! sweat.gif
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you have a mic attached?
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post Jun 3 2007, 10:04 PM

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XtremeMusic + AegoM 2.1 user here smile.gif

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Hi, recently i've purchased a 2nd hand x-fi which didn't come with the ori driver CD.. i've downloaded the driver and also the mediasource player, and everything from the creative xfi homepage.. but where do i download those THX configuration, EAX console, crystallisation, and many other plug in for this soundcard? btw im using x-fi xtrememusic.. i cant seem to find them on the creative website.. thx smile.gif


go download page and click Auto Update
make sure u're using Internet Explorer browser smile.gif

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wow got such trick.. but i've already gotten the copy of the driver.. anyway i'll try it also.. thanks!
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post Jun 5 2007, 01:48 PM

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i had owned before xfi xtreme music last year, after that this year recently i change XFI-Elite pro. seem really different when u own a most high-end creative sound card. Currently i'm thinking to get gigaworks s750, seem already enchance that speaker version......... previous i pair with Inspire T7700 7.1 CHNL.....
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QUOTE(Oxburg @ Mar 26 2007, 12:32 AM)
errr i dun have much knowdlege in sound category...sry.. btw 0404 meant wad?i oni heard turtle creative and little about sound card. *Normally i juz listen to MP3 song. Juz wan to enhance the sound quality as my speaker is not the bottle net i think so...
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hey man which sound card u buy already? i wanna know i was using Fx6021 alsoooooooo now using audigy....1 last saturday suddenly buy the x fi audio.... now abit regret lao..... ahhhhhhh
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QUOTE(SpikeTwo @ May 28 2007, 11:58 AM)
the creative s750 doesnt quite pair with xfi? why change to z5500? lol...
cos i am quite interested to pair some 5.1 to my xfi to utilize its power. haha...
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Well the S750 have some known reliability issues, in which the amp will blow up after a year or so but depends, it can be months or it won't blow up at all. Mine blew up exactly a year and a week after i bought it. shakehead.gif I can't really have it repaired because i'm nowhere near KL, so i borrowed my bro-in-law's speaker for a while until now. Using this Z-5500 for a week already, i think it's as good as the S750, maybe the satellite lack a tweeter but i can't really differentiate the difference. The bass is not boomy at all. And 5.1 is quite enough in my room, 7.1 is too messy and cramped. rclxub.gif

Oh and the Z-5500 will auto off if it overheats (which i never faced yet). sweat.gif Good safety feature i must say.

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QUOTE(Joseph Hahn @ Jun 5 2007, 11:01 PM)
Well the S750 have some known reliability issues, in which the amp will blow up after a year or so but depends, it can be months or it won't blow up at all. Mine blew up exactly a year and a week after i bought it. shakehead.gif I can't really have it repaired because i'm nowhere near KL, so i borrowed my bro-in-law's speaker for a while until now. Using this Z-5500 for a week already, i think it's as good as the S750, maybe the satellite lack a tweeter but i can't really differentiate the difference. The bass is not boomy at all. And 5.1 is quite enough in my room, 7.1 is too messy and cramped. rclxub.gif

Oh and the Z-5500 will auto off if it overheats (which i never faced yet). sweat.gif Good safety feature i must say.
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there is a new batch had solve the amp issue.....
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QUOTE(Akabane@DrJackel @ Jun 6 2007, 11:53 AM)
there is a new batch had solve the amp issue.....
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QUOTE(Akabane@DrJackel @ Jun 5 2007, 01:48 PM)
i had owned before xfi xtreme music last year, after that this year recently i change XFI-Elite pro. seem really different when u own a most high-end creative sound card. Currently i'm thinking to get gigaworks s750, seem already enchance that speaker version......... previous i pair with Inspire T7700 7.1 CHNL.....
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very curious; you bought the Elite Pro for studio use? huh.gif
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X-Fi Music vs X-Fi gamer.

What is the difference? Pros & Cons


is it good to pair with MX5021?
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if wanna find a soundcard tat afford 5.1 THX and gaming......does Xfi plantinum good unuf for it?? smile.gif
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very curious; you bought the Elite Pro for studio use? huh.gif
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hi all
i'm using nforce2 onboard sound with soundstorm
pair it with 5.1 logitech z640..
i think it sounds good and better than my friends rig
music and movie is my main interest
i dont know which card should i buy
audigy2 or extreme music?
or should i just stick with the n-force?
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QUOTE(Joseph Hahn @ Jun 5 2007, 11:01 PM)
Well the S750 have some known reliability issues, in which the amp will blow up after a year or so but depends, it can be months or it won't blow up at all. Mine blew up exactly a year and a week after i bought it. shakehead.gif I can't really have it repaired because i'm nowhere near KL, so i borrowed my bro-in-law's speaker for a while until now. Using this Z-5500 for a week already, i think it's as good as the S750, maybe the satellite lack a tweeter but i can't really differentiate the difference. The bass is not boomy at all. And 5.1 is quite enough in my room, 7.1 is too messy and cramped. rclxub.gif

Oh and the Z-5500 will auto off if it overheats (which i never faced yet). sweat.gif Good safety feature i must say.
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U r from s750 change to z5500 lor drool.gif
So, between this two speakers, which 1 is better?
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QUOTE(arafat @ Jun 11 2007, 03:23 AM)
hi all
i'm using nforce2 onboard sound with soundstorm
pair it with 5.1 logitech z640..
i think it sounds good and better than my friends rig
music and movie is my main interest
i dont know which card should i buy
audigy2 or extreme music?
or should i just stick with the n-force?
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It really depends on your budget,the more you're willing to spend the higher the upgrade.However the Creative cards are gaming cards at core, though they also good for movies.If you hardly game at all then you might not need to upgrade after all.You can look for alternative cards too.If you got dough to spend get the X-Fi icon_rolleyes.gif
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Sifu wanna ask..currently using xfi extreme music, thought wanna change to emu0404, speaker currently using aego m, and z5500. Big jump? im terms of sound quality, of just paying extra for functionality?
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thanks for opinion Blackhart
i only play dota and soccer game.. any big difference audigy2 with extreme music?
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QUOTE(billytong @ Jun 7 2007, 11:21 AM)
X-Fi Music vs X-Fi gamer.

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is it good to pair with MX5021?
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i match mine X-fi extrememusic and mx5021...not bad...but the treble is too much for me....change the cable for mx5021 n much better.....hehe icon_rolleyes.gif
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hi all just mod my x-fi extreme music main op amp to LM4562 really a big jump for sound
become more impact for bass more sweet for mid nice hi freq with no hurt ear ........got more diff let me try more time will write after..........
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QUOTE(skydna @ Jun 17 2007, 01:36 AM)
hi all just mod my x-fi extreme music main op amp to LM4562 really a big jump for sound
become more impact for bass more sweet for mid nice hi freq with no hurt ear ........got more diff let me try more time will write after..........
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U mod it then no more warranty liao lo.........mine first time heard people mod creative sound card. ohmy.gif shocking.gif shocking.gif
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QUOTE(singleguy @ Jun 13 2007, 10:14 PM)
Sifu wanna ask..currently using xfi extreme music, thought wanna change to emu0404, speaker currently using aego m, and z5500. Big jump? im terms of sound quality, of just paying extra for functionality?
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emu0404 pair with aego? try to ask yuheng.. before this i thought they are nice pair, but yuheng had tried it out, and it doesn't sound nice.. maybe u can ask him for more info, and again, sound is very subjective smile.gif

and emu0404 is only for stereo / 2.1, it doesn't support 5.1 speaker like your z5500, correct me if im wrong..

btw, new user of x-fi xtrememusic user reporting in (had been using it for around 1month) rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(Akabane@DrJackel @ Jun 17 2007, 02:57 AM)
U mod it then no more warranty liao lo.........mine first time heard people mod creative sound card.  ohmy.gif  shocking.gif  shocking.gif
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hmm no mod oso over warranty already i think
cause mine is the 1st batch from creative..........
but after mod to lm4562 i feel really sweet mid for s.h.e voice....haha
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QUOTE(skydna @ Jun 17 2007, 10:27 AM)
hmm no mod oso over warranty already i think
cause mine is the 1st batch from creative..........
but after mod to lm4562 i feel really sweet mid for s.h.e voice....haha
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Hmm....last time i use XFI-Xtreme Music first Batch also without the headsink one, now they add the headsink in second batch....i think is really heat do....
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QUOTE(Akabane@DrJackel @ Jun 17 2007, 11:09 AM)
Hmm....last time i use XFI-Xtreme Music first Batch also without the headsink one, now they add the headsink in second batch....i think is really heat do....
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ya i think when come to gaming it really hot
and still i pack my card with hard disk plastic........hope can find ers paper in malaysia...
any 1 know where to get rubycon black gate and nichicon muse?
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hehe, lastime i tried touching the heatsink, and it's HOT.. cant imagine if i pack it with antistatic plastic..
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about the extreme music and extreme gamer, will there be a big difference in performance between the two cards, because i play games and listen to music, it's kind a dillema, i checked the spec between these two, the difference is the connection thing which i am not familiar of, need some recommendation and advice.
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i got Xfi Fatality...
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Just got my XtremeMusic from jasonkwk today. thumbup.gif

Sounds really neat when paired with my Edifier S4.1. rclxms.gif

Does anyone have custom settings for it? I always pening when i try to set it rclxub.gif laugh.gif
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QUOTE(reijikageyama @ Jul 8 2007, 12:29 AM)
Just got my XtremeMusic from jasonkwk today.  thumbup.gif

Sounds really neat when paired with my Edifier S4.1. rclxms.gif

Does anyone have custom settings for it? I always pening when i try to set it rclxub.gif  laugh.gif
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from headfi they say use audio creation mode and enable bit match...
but i feel not sutable for some song..........

ya after changing the op amp to lm4562
just change the power supply filter cap(forget how to say) of my x-fi to normal ELNA 2200uf 25v
really boost the soundstage and more detail in background
burn few more day and see.....
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QUOTE(skydna @ Jul 8 2007, 01:06 AM)
from headfi they say use audio creation mode and enable bit match...
but i feel not sutable for some song..........

ya after changing the op amp to lm4562
just change the power supply filter cap(forget how to say) of my x-fi to normal ELNA 2200uf 25v
really boost the soundstage and more detail in background
burn few more day and see.....
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i'm still stick back to entertainment mode.

I should try or not to mod my elite-pro but still under warranty, i think i will wait a year haha thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(Akabane@DrJackel @ Jul 8 2007, 01:03 PM)
i'm still stick back to entertainment mode.

I should try or not to mod my elite-pro but still under warranty, i think i will wait a year haha thumbup.gif
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i think u can find some pro modder in this forum to do that
cause got warranty or dun have if the card die u will cry oso...haha.....
acually if the modder dint broken the padder or pcb most of the problem can be fix....
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QUOTE(reijikageyama @ Jul 8 2007, 12:29 AM)
Just got my XtremeMusic from jasonkwk today.  thumbup.gif

Sounds really neat when paired with my Edifier S4.1. rclxms.gif

Does anyone have custom settings for it? I always pening when i try to set it rclxub.gif  laugh.gif
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QUOTE(reijikageyama @ Jul 8 2007, 12:29 AM)
Just got my XtremeMusic from jasonkwk today.  thumbup.gif

Sounds really neat when paired with my Edifier S4.1. rclxms.gif

Does anyone have custom settings for it? I always pening when i try to set it rclxub.gif  laugh.gif
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Guys... i wanna ask...

When u all using X-fi Xtreme Music.... After install the driver... do u all feel slow respone on ur pc? I kena it many times adi... cry.gif
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ya i feel it oso after install the driver in full really much slower when booting install using minimum likely will less increase the booting time...
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ya i feel it oso after install the driver in full really much slower when booting install using minimum likely will less increase the booting time...
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try to figure out the setting on startup lo... thumbup.gif
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Same user with same experience here.. but only experienced it during the boot up time lo.. in the window wise, a little bit slowed down (when i open up the CPU-Z, i can feel it), other than that, it's okie..
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when you check the startup setting , there is a lot the Creative software need to load...so like mine only activate the control panel, but if u using a xfi-elite pro even more software load.....

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I solve dis problem adi.... icon_rolleyes.gif

Bt i still face 1 more question.... I'm using the Logitech Z680, i jz wanna using the coaxial cable to connect between speaker & my x-fi xtreme music.... Bt dunno y when i test it.... The rear speaker is perform with the front speaker by the same time.... icon_question.gif Get wat i'm means onot? icon_question.gif
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QUOTE(Akabane@DrJackel @ Jul 8 2007, 01:03 PM)
i'm still stick back to entertainment mode.

I should try or not to mod my elite-pro but still under warranty, i think i will wait a year haha thumbup.gif
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just found a new setting use audio creation mode with bit perfect
for playback using asio and max out the asio volume or suitable volume at asio page
much more impact for instrument and sound ..... but pls lower down the main volume........

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xtreme audio and xtreme gamer, which 1 better ark ?
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if gaming x-fi is ok but the eax died when come to vista
if for music i think go for other will be batter like onkyo or usb dac
but moded x-fi very good in music oso
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xtreme audio and xtreme gamer, which 1 better ark  ?
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i got my x-fi xtrememusic a year ago, only use it for a month and sell it back. don't like much of it's bass which is too boomy for me. even if i reduce it still not good for my ears. still suing my aurillium until now..

but performance during gaming do improved with higher fps and good gaming sound produced...
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Hehe, aurilium depends on which speaker u use too.. some speakers sound very bad when pair up with PSC805.. example ATP3..
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Hehe, aurilium depends on which speaker u use too.. some speakers sound very bad when pair up with PSC805.. example ATP3..
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yup, depends on the speaker also. pairing my card with BTII 5.1 before, now using simple speaker only, philips MMS 321. always listen to high quality track, that low quality mp3 files doesn't even exist in my pc.... icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(rainingzero @ Jul 13 2007, 10:48 PM)
yup, depends on the speaker also. pairing my card with BTII 5.1 before, now using simple speaker only, philips MMS 321. always listen to high quality track, that low quality mp3 files doesn't even exist in my pc.... icon_rolleyes.gif
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You using all the philips setup then is will be better normal lo cause aurilium is make for his own speaker use. But so far mine using a headphone for this sound card. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(Akabane@DrJackel @ Jul 14 2007, 10:10 AM)
You using all the philips setup then is will be better normal lo cause aurilium is make for his own speaker use. But so far mine using a headphone for this sound card. thumbup.gif
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Hemm, then i actually got 1 philips speaker - Philips Acoustic Fusion A.3.610, now using S750, therefore that speaker only put it aside.. got this unit for mikechai last year.. not planning to sell as well as this is a rare unit and they use flat panel technology (NXF), but if there's interested buyer u may PM me, maybe i'll change my mind to let it go hehe tongue.gif

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Don't even touch the Extreme Audio, it's not even an X-Fi under the bonnet. Go for Extreme Music or Extreme Gamer
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bro mind explain more? wats so bad abt extreme audio??
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extreme audio is not true x-fi
it's using audigy chipset but selling at a very high price.
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This is about the Crystalizer function, I find that,

1. Streaming video like youtube can create distorted sound
2. On certain mp3 or video files, the sound can emit distorted noises as well.

Is it the fault of the x-fi or the source video/audio encoding?
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bro mind explain more? wats so bad abt extreme audio??
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_Blaster_X-Fi
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whats da differents between

1) X-Fi elite pro

2) X-Fi Platinum Fatal1ty Champion Series

and

3) X-Fi XtremeGamer Professional Series



whats good better for Gaming

and whats the IO console for ? ....... pls help here.. very bluuured
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im so bluured  rclxub.gif

whats da differents between

1) X-Fi elite pro

2) X-Fi  Platinum Fatal1ty Champion Series

and

3) X-Fi XtremeGamer Professional Series
whats good better for Gaming

and whats the IO console for ? ....... pls help here.. very bluuured
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I explain with u by 3P... biggrin.gif

1st.... Price
2nd... Performance
3rd... Provide with I/O device cool.gif
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QUOTE(cusx @ Aug 31 2007, 11:02 PM)
im so bluured  rclxub.gif

whats da differents between

1) X-Fi elite pro

2) X-Fi  Platinum Fatal1ty Champion Series

and

3) X-Fi XtremeGamer Professional Series
whats good better for Gaming

and whats the IO console for ? ....... pls help here.. very bluuured
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-Elite Pro was the top of the line of X-Fi family. It consist of all the features of X-Fi family sound card, can said all in
one. Elite Pro is suitable to studio user for recording purpose.
-Fatal1ty is the second high end sound card of X-Fi family, most suitable for gamer.
-Xtreme Gamer is the cut cost version of Fatal1ty. No THX certified, no I/O console

The I/O console gives some convenient to user: direct connect his/her earphone or microphone on I/O console, adjustable earphone and microphone volume on I/O console, control computer volume via the remote control......
click here for more information
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The Elite Pro also have better DAC (same DAC as the E-MU 1212M) so at stock it sounds better than the other X-Fi (for music)

For gaming, if you play Battlefiled 2 or 2142, Quake 4 you better buy the Fatal1ty since it can benefit from the 64MB X-RAM (I don't remember other games that suport this, not really a gamer nowadays). Other game doesn't benefit much, so even the lowly XtremeMusic or XtremeGamer is sufficient to reduce CPU overhead and better sound dynamics since all of the support EAX5

Hope that helps smile.gif
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I'm looking for the X-Fi xtreme music to pair with my CS21.

Any of you guys still got other brand or model in your mind to share? smile.gif
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I'm looking for the X-Fi xtreme music to pair with my CS21.

Any of you guys still got other brand or model in your mind to share? smile.gif
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X-Fi extreme music already stop produce. Wait for new generation sound card lolz whistling.gif
Audigy 2 ZS also not bad. Someone selling this sound card in the garage sale
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Yea, too bad that the xtreme music stop producing d. sad.gif
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Just wondering of getting X-fi Elite Pro.. around 1k right... Anybody using it? Any comments? Tell what you really love bout the card... and what you hate bout it!
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QUOTE(rathishsiva @ Sep 6 2007, 05:18 PM)
Just wondering of getting X-fi Elite Pro.. around 1k right... Anybody using it? Any comments? Tell what you really love bout the card... and what you hate bout it!
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Elite Pro suitable for recording purpose, i think this is the different between X-Fi Fatal1ty. Why dont get Fatal1ty??
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Elite Pro suitable for recording purpose, i think this is the different between X-Fi Fatal1ty. Why dont get Fatal1ty??
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Is that the only difference? Wat bout music quality in a whole? DAC?
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QUOTE(rathishsiva @ Sep 6 2007, 10:32 PM)
Is that the only difference? Wat bout music quality in a whole? DAC?
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DAC in elite pro is better than the rest xfi (which is same as EMU1212M, check the last page which is just mentioned smile.gif )

Music quality wise.. not sure about it as i never heard elite pro before. However, music quality is something that is kinda abstract.. i guess only if u have a sensitive ear, or else u have to compare them side by side by using same speaker and same source..
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Haiz...hope Creative company can updates the latest X-Fi drivers as soon as possible...then all X-Fi user can enjoy the TRUE X-Fi sound quality... biggrin.gif

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seem my xfi-elite pro is keepng only now....collection haha
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I just bought a second hand XtremeMusic.
Anyone here using Asio4All paired w this sound card?

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X-Fi user here more than a year and the driver still sucks...period. Updated to the latest driver but still got crackling, static, pop,snap sound here and there....

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X-Fi user here more than a year and the driver still sucks...period. Updated to the latest driver but still got crackling, static, pop,snap sound here and there....
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X-Fi user here more than a year and the driver still sucks...period. Updated to the latest driver but still got crackling, static, pop,snap sound here and there....
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suffering for 1 year? shocking.gif
respect to your patience. notworthy.gif
i sold it after one week of crackling, poping problems. doh.gif
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Does anyone have the problem with any X-Fi card for that matter whereby, some of the games have no sound at all (some in movie and some in games).

For eg. Two Worlds and Lord of The Rings: Battle for Middle Earth 2.

Thanks in advance,

As for me, I can't really tell the difference between a Sound Blaster X-Fi and a Sound Blaster Audigy 2.
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Not all game support EAX, so you will face have this problem if you have enabled EAX.

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I lost my Xfi xtrememusic cd...

i downloaded the driver from creative website..

but the website lack of some of the applicationcompare to the original CD... sad.gif

such as GUI controller...

so who can tell me where can download it???
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Here you are the Creative XtremeMusic:
Application
Driver
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in there do not have GUI controller also... cry.gif

such as movie mode GUI, music mode GUI, game mode GUI
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You can burn one copy of from your friend if your friend using this card too. Or I can burn for you if you want.
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You can burn one copy of from your friend if your friend using this card too. Or I can burn for you if you want.
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i dont have friend using this sound card....
you really can burn it for me and send to me? drool.gif drool.gif
if can i will bank in you money before you send??

thanks a lot.... laugh.gif laugh.gif
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QUOTE(campsol2k @ Dec 17 2007, 06:23 AM)
X-Fi user here more than a year and the driver still sucks...period. Updated to the latest driver but still got crackling, static, pop,snap sound here and there....
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I used to have that problem. Try change it to different PCI slot. Now solved already.

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QUOTE(okboy @ Dec 21 2007, 11:41 AM)
I lost my Xfi xtrememusic cd...

i downloaded the driver from creative website..

but the website lack of some of the applicationcompare to the original CD... sad.gif

such as GUI controller...

so who can tell me where can download it???
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There apps sucks...loads of bloatware...i don't install anything else except the drivers.

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QUOTE(kianweic @ Dec 20 2007, 12:19 PM)
Does anyone have the problem with any X-Fi card for that matter whereby, some of the games have no sound at all (some in movie and some in games).

For eg. Two Worlds and Lord of The Rings: Battle for Middle Earth 2.

Thanks in advance,

As for me, I can't really tell the difference between a Sound Blaster X-Fi and a Sound Blaster Audigy 2.
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Maybe there's no difference...coz BFME2 using only EAX3.0.....X-FI is EAX 5.0

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where i could order another wired volume control for my creative i-trigue 3300 speker?

mine has broken already...terpijak
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Any one of you interesting in buying my Creative X-fi Elite Pro, the one that come with external I/O hub? I am selling it now. The main reason i selling of this thing because i want to downgrade it to xtreme audio PCIe because i only want the optical in for processing my xbox360 signal. Just let me know if anyone is interesting in this. I still have the box with me and it is like 6 months old only. PM me your offer!
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do u sell the I/O hub separately? or does aynone know where can i get it? cant really find them in bulk nowadays. LOL...creative sellers died off. tongue.gif

there's no driver update since long time ago. just found a beta driver. but that's for ppl with issues on 4GB ram only. hmm hmm...

Added on January 15, 2008, 9:48 pm
QUOTE(okboy @ Jan 7 2008, 08:58 AM)
i dont have friend using this sound card....
you really can burn it for me and send to me? drool.gif  drool.gif
if can i will bank in you money before you send??

thanks a lot.... laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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it is called the XFi Volume panel. try to search from the net le. The file size is small tho i forgot how small it is. tongue.gif

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It is available to download from Internet. But he rather to pay....... sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif
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in there do not have GUI controller also... cry.gif

such as movie mode GUI, music mode GUI, game mode GUI
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same problem to me.... !!

hope anyone can help icon_question.gif
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hey.. anyone knows where to buy the creative remote control for da xtreme music.. so far da oni place i've seen online is da creative online shop in sg... malaysia tak da on9 shop ar??
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Can somebody posting ur RMAA test for ur sound card? its easy only....Please go to this link RMAA, the latest version is 6.06, small file only,hope can see the results soon....

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can i join X-Fi club too? just got myself a 2nd hand Xtreme Music.

anyway, i'm just wondering, what are the best settings for music listening? Here's what I've done:
1. enabled 24-bit crytalizer.
2. enabled CMSS 3dvirtual (should i enable this? mine speaker is a 2.1)
3. for now, the EQ mode is "flat", but i tune my EQ in my Winamp setting... (should I do the opposite?)

the rest is still in default mode. ok, what else should i be doing if i wanna fully utilize X-Fi power for music?

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Didnt know an X-FI club exist.

Well heres my combo that i'm using now
X-FI Elite Pro + Edifier S530D

Sound is as good as Hi-Fi system
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QUOTE(blessedvillain @ Jan 30 2008, 04:07 PM)
can i join X-Fi club too? just got myself a 2nd hand Xtreme Music.

anyway, i'm just wondering, what are the best settings for music listening? Here's what I've done:
1. enabled 24-bit crytalizer.
2. enabled CMSS 3dvirtual (should i enable this? mine speaker is a 2.1)
3. for now, the EQ mode is "flat", but i tune my EQ in my Winamp setting... (should I do the opposite?)

the rest is still in default mode. ok, what else should i be doing if i wanna fully utilize X-Fi power for music?
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switch to foobar2000 instead of winamp..
sound quality is totally different
with correct add ons like noise sharpening & asio plug in you will be amazed.
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different media player gives different sound quality? mmm...that's new to me.

by the way, i cant find any connection for standard casing front panel audio out on my xtreme music.... how do u guys go around with this problem?



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guys, how are u all enjoying your X-Fi? i realized that X-Fi cant handle rock music that well, especially with a lot electric guitar distortion. I'm not sure whether it's my speaker or my settings... anyway, i'm still using AL ACS45.1 ... damn old, i know..tongue.gif
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QUOTE(blessedvillain @ Feb 3 2008, 12:16 AM)
guys, how are u all enjoying your X-Fi? i realized that X-Fi cant handle rock music that well, especially with a lot electric guitar distortion. I'm not sure whether it's my speaker or my settings... anyway, i'm still using AL ACS45.1 ... damn old, i know..tongue.gif
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I using Creative X-FI Extreme gamer Soundcard.....on gaming...hoho it give me very detail enviroment sound...like i walk around on sand(Crysis) u really can heard the sand sound...liek u really walk on sand...Bullet shooting got the wave sound ....so so nice to have this card.
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errr...to me, xtreme music can't handle electric guitar distortion well.. it sounds messy

any of u guys have this experience?
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QUOTE(blessedvillain @ Feb 3 2008, 12:24 AM)
errr...to me, xtreme music can't handle electric guitar distortion well.. it sounds messy

any of u guys have this experience?
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Ops sorry i read wrongly doh.gif it's CANT instead of CAN..
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Ops sorry i read wrongly  doh.gif  it's CANT instead of CAN..
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@nicholas..
the treble sounds too crisp sometimes... especially for rock music, the electric distortion really fail la...sounds really flat, like the sounds all jumbled up together, can't really differentiate the guitar source.

for pop music, so far ok.. but too crisp at time.

how much % did you put for crystalizer? or ON/OFF CMSS-3D?
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X-fi Fatality Soundcard user here.

Aego-M + fatality soundcard is quite satisfactory from my point of view.
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QUOTE(p0intblanc @ Feb 3 2008, 04:06 AM)
X-fi Fatality Soundcard user here.

Aego-M + fatality soundcard is quite satisfactory from my point of view.
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I think the music quality of fatal1ty and xtreme music should be the same... I'm thinking of getting AegoM also..

@pointblanc
how's Aego M when playing heavy guitar riff music?? hmm.gif
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maybe its because of ur old speaker. i used to have that speaker too. upgraded to z5500, music never sounds so nice.
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QUOTE(SpikeTwo @ Feb 3 2008, 11:42 PM)
maybe its because of ur old speaker. i used to have that speaker too. upgraded to z5500, music never sounds so nice.
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i'm now looking into Aego M. But the price is higher than what i'm targeting...i've a few alternative choices now.

1. Logitech z 2300
2. Altec lansing MX5021
3. Edifier ??? (any recomendation?)

ultimate aim : Aego M...

delima...delima....
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QUOTE(blessedvillain @ Feb 3 2008, 02:17 PM)
I think the music quality of fatal1ty and xtreme music should be the same... I'm thinking of getting AegoM also..

@pointblanc
how's Aego M when playing heavy guitar riff music??  hmm.gif
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Its very clear even at a low volume with a high quality audio of course.

Do not expect the card+ speakers to do wonders for mp3 that are at 128kbps. It just sounds awful.
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QUOTE(p0intblanc @ Feb 4 2008, 12:18 AM)
Its very clear even at a low volume with a high quality audio of course.

Do not expect the card+ speakers to do wonders for mp3 that are at 128kbps. It just sounds awful.
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ya... i realized that 128kps really show its ugly side when i'm on good soundcard.

so what's the cheapest price for AegoM now? I saw one forumer is selling for <RM700... LYP is selling around RM790.. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(blessedvillain @ Feb 4 2008, 12:40 AM)
ya... i realized that 128kps really show its ugly side when i'm on good soundcard.

so what's the cheapest price for AegoM now? I saw one forumer is selling for <RM700... LYP is selling around RM790.. sweat.gif
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anyone here pairing X-Fi with Altec Lansing Fx6021 ?

I'm still looking for speakers to replace my old AL ACS45.1
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anyone here pairing X-Fi with Altec Lansing Fx6021 ?

I'm still looking for speakers to replace my old AL ACS45.1
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fx6021 aint good imo, i rather take mx5021. the fx look might differs from other, but for the $$...its not really worth it.
or just try aego smile.gif
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fx6021 aint good imo, i rather take mx5021. the fx look might differs from other, but for the $$...its not really worth it.
or just try aego smile.gif
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but it seems that the new batch of MX5021 is a cut cost version... not sure whether it's true or not.

and AegoM, yes, it's crisp and the clarity is superb but i listen to some of my heavy guitar distortion songs, it doesnt sound that good.. but Diana Krall and other Jazzy songs...fuiyoh..nice..

i might go test out both MX5021 and Fx6021 by myself soon...but i doubt that it will make any good impression as LYP always too noisy to test out the speakers.
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but it seems that the new batch of MX5021 is a cut cost version... not sure whether it's true or not.

and AegoM, yes, it's crisp and the clarity is superb but i listen to some of my heavy guitar distortion songs, it doesnt sound that good.. but Diana Krall and other Jazzy songs...fuiyoh..nice..

i might go test out both MX5021 and Fx6021 by myself soon...but i doubt that it will make any good impression as LYP always too noisy to test out the speakers.
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QUOTE(dello @ Feb 9 2008, 01:51 AM)
hey bro dun ever buy fx6021.. they only look nice.. n the sound quality kinda sucks...  thumbup.gif
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I bought a MSI P6N Diamond which come with the Creative X-Fi Xtreme Audio and i notice that the Audio console missing the Bass and Treble control as my bass is always over drive especially while foot steps ppl talking its always end with very low hum. I try to tweak with the EQ it improve a bit but sacrifice some bass. Any one have this X-Fi Xtreme Audio and does it really toke out the Bass and Treble control for it.?Attached Image
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I bought a MSI P6N Diamond which come with the Creative X-Fi Xtreme Audio and i notice that the Audio console missing the Bass and Treble control as my bass is always over drive especially while foot steps ppl talking its always end with very low hum. I try to tweak with the EQ it improve a bit but sacrifice some bass. Any one have this X-Fi Xtreme Audio and does it really toke out the Bass and Treble control for it.?Attached Image
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i think Creative modified the Audio console for Xtreme audio since it's not using the actual X-Fi chip.

why dun you try modifying your bass and treble physically through your speaker set?
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Here is my XtremeMusic RMAA test...

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NEW creative X-fi drivers are out, as of 14 March 2008 !!! Well done CREATIVE!

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QUOTE(blessedvillain @ Mar 16 2008, 12:21 PM)
NEW creative X-fi drivers are out, as of 14 March 2008 !!! Well done CREATIVE!

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Creative finally release its longgggggggggg waiting official driver after a lot of blaim, scold, petition, threaten, and curse by the X-Fi user.... rclxms.gif User power... icon_rolleyes.gif

But still a lot of complain from X-FI user here

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damn hard to find this item, to unleash my z5500 true potential.
now using analog input
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...282&hl=creative
anyone plis?

if not i'll buy
that razer baracuda(sumthing like that) sound card
optical ready

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QUOTE(ryugan @ Mar 17 2008, 12:57 AM)
damn hard to find this item, to unleash my z5500 true potential.
now using analog input
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...282&hl=creative
anyone plis?

if not i'll buy
that razer baracuda(sumthing like that) sound card
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guys, i just found out that digital i/o upgrade only support 2.1 input/ out put, izzit true? sad.gif

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guys, i just found out that digital i/o upgrade only support 2.1 input/ out put, izzit true? sad.gif
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oh really? only 2.1 output for digital ?? I;ll look into this...

anyway, guys...
be really careful when upgrading the newest driver for X-fi.... the new driver includes firmware too... sweat.gif if not careful, it will ruin your hardware when upgrading... REALLY STOP ALL THE APPLICATION RUNNING IN THE BACKGROUND...
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oh really? only 2.1 output for digital ?? I;ll look into this...

anyway, guys...
be really careful when upgrading the newest driver for X-fi.... the new driver includes firmware too...  sweat.gif  if not careful, it will ruin your hardware when upgrading... REALLY STOP ALL THE APPLICATION RUNNING IN THE BACKGROUND...
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I think it required firmware update for Xtreme Elite Pro user, right?
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Using X-fi + Z680 speaker. How come no sound from the center speaker? Only when i change to DTS mode then only got sound from the center speaker. I tested with DTS audio file, all got sound but not the center speaker . Is it a known issue, cause i see many complaining about it in the creative forum
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QUOTE(tyss @ Mar 27 2008, 09:34 PM)
Using X-fi + Z680 speaker. How come no sound from the center speaker? Only when i change to DTS mode then only got sound  from the center speaker. I tested with DTS audio file, all got sound but not the center speaker  . Is it a known issue, cause i see many complaining about it in the creative forum
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Check the speaker settings via the console, sometimes when you play certain games the settings may accidentally tweak from a 5.1 to 2.1 .

If that's not the case, I am not too sure myself.

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guys...do you turn on your 24bit crystalizer?

I just changed my speakers to AegoM and crystalizer is just too harsh, even on minimum settings. High and low really are too exaggerated, especially the high, till ear piercing...

now i turn it off..but it's not as punchy as b4...sad.gif
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Whats the different between the old x-fi and new x-fi?My friend said the old ones better.
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Whats the different between the old x-fi and new x-fi?My friend said the old ones better.
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mmm...not sure bout that...the old ones doesn't have heatsink. the new ones do. Old one more energy efficient and produce less heat?

anyway, i just read a few days ago, newer x-fi, they reduced the problems with clipping,cracking sound.
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The Old use Samsung 2MB memory chip.......the new one (mine) uses Hynix chip 2MB memory.....
Samsung is better in terms of memory chipset
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QUOTE(blessedvillain @ Mar 28 2008, 11:07 AM)
mmm...not sure bout that...the old ones doesn't have heatsink. the new ones do. Old one more energy efficient and produce less heat?

anyway, i just read a few days ago, newer x-fi, they reduced the problems with clipping,cracking sound.
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Or he mean XtremeGamer/XtremeAudio (new) vs XtremeMusic (old)? laugh.gif

QUOTE(digita1tech @ Mar 28 2008, 04:55 PM)
The Old use Samsung 2MB memory chip.......the new one (mine) uses Hynix chip 2MB memory.....
Samsung is better in terms of memory chipset
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QUOTE(blessedvillain @ Mar 28 2008, 10:46 AM)
guys...do you turn on your 24bit crystalizer?

I just changed my speakers to AegoM and crystalizer is just too harsh, even on minimum settings. High and low really are too exaggerated, especially the high, till ear piercing...

now i turn it off..but it's not as punchy as b4...sad.gif
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Turn on crystalizer is same as u increase ur bass and treble knob on ur speaker, no big deal...i turn off this feature in al time...useless for me..

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The Old use Samsung 2MB memory chip.......the new one (mine) uses Hynix chip 2MB memory.....
Samsung is better in terms of memory chipset
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ya, maybe the old one that use samsung chip can OC higher... sweat.gif

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Or he mean XtremeGamer/XtremeAudio (new) vs XtremeMusic (old)? laugh.gif
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the xtemeMusic got two "version", old one no heatsink, new one got heatsink...

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Whats the different between the old x-fi and new x-fi?My friend said the old ones better.
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no "old ones better" issue...

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coolkwc........ i wonder if anybody OC the sound card?? Funny though.....tongue.gif
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coolkwc........ i wonder if anybody OC the sound card?? Funny though.....tongue.gif
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OC the soundcard? this is new to me...

no la..ppl change Opamp to improve the sound signature, not OC..tongue.gif
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coolkwc........ i wonder if anybody OC the sound card?? Funny though.....tongue.gif
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That just pure sarcasm, if you can't catch it. Obviously no one overclock their soundcard. And your comment doesn't make sense, whatever the memory chip that used in soundcard will make ZERO difference in audio quality
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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Mar 28 2008, 08:05 PM)
Turn on crystalizer is same as u increase ur bass and treble knob on ur speaker, no big deal...i turn off this feature in al time...useless for me..
ya i turned off crystalizer completely. I think if you have good speakers, crystalizer just makes the sound even worse..

now, my music sounds warmer and more realistic without the occasional ear piercing sound and exaggerated lows.
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QUOTE(blessedvillain @ Mar 29 2008, 01:01 AM)
ya i turned off crystalizer completely. I think if you have good speakers, crystalizer just makes the sound even worse..

now, my music sounds warmer and more realistic without the occasional ear piercing sound and exaggerated lows.
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just depends on the speaker used...below i do a simple test by using RMAA 6.0.6 to compare the Crystallizer function and the EQ and Bass/Treble knob...

1. Frequency Respond Curve between Crystalizer, EQ and Bass/Treble knob...
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EQ setting to simulate 50% crystalizer level
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Bass 60%/Treble 58% to simulate 50% crystalizer level
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So, crystalizer is just the function that can simply simulated by using EQ and Bass/Treble knob...
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very nice experiment! wah...i can't believe Creative got away claiming their crystalizer "restore" back the quality lost quality. maybe this is true to certain extend with lower bitrate mp3s or lower end speakers..
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That just pure sarcasm, if you can't catch it. Obviously no one overclock their soundcard. And your comment doesn't make sense, whatever the memory chip that used in soundcard will make ZERO difference in audio quality
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Hahha......some idiot try to flame me........ rclxms.gif
I also being sarcasm also........im not that stupid that OC the soundcard can gain quality in sound........
Read between the lines.........and if you dont like my comment........just don't read it...... biggrin.gif

I turn off crystalizer if i listening to the music..........and because of my loudspeaker consider old and maybe have lousy drive in it.......even i set it to full it does not produce any distortion.........wait for my speaker kong then consider to change the loudspeaker......maybe Edifier s5.1 mk2...... drool.gif

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QUOTE(digita1tech @ Mar 29 2008, 11:37 AM)
Hahha......some idiot try to flame me........ rclxms.gif
I also being sarcasm also........im not that stupid that OC the soundcard can gain quality in sound........
Read between the lines.........and if you dont like my comment........just don't read it...... biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(blessedvillain @ Mar 29 2008, 10:35 AM)
@coolkwc

very nice experiment! wah...i can't believe Creative got away claiming their crystalizer "restore" back the quality lost quality. maybe this is true to certain extend with lower bitrate mp3s or lower end speakers..
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Actually lost data can't be restored anymore, crystalizer restore compress audio back to audio cd quality is just a commercial slogan by Creative, crystalizer boost the low and high frequncies and pull down the mid range as the graph before, thats why the "dynamic range" seems like boosted also...nevertheless, crystalizer still is a good feature that suitable for the user who don't want to mess around with the EQ parameter, for the user who no need EQ, they won't need the crytalizer also... rolleyes.gif

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Don't call people idiot. And don't try to spam, if you don't have anything to say better keep it to yourself shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Mar 29 2008, 03:32 PM)
Actually lost data can't be restored anymore, crystalizer restore compress audio back to audio cd quality is just a commercial slogan by Creative, crystalizer boost the low and high frequncies and pull down the mid range as the graph before, thats why the "dynamic range" seems like boosted also...nevertheless, crystalizer still is a good feature that  suitable for the user who don't want to mess around with the EQ parameter, for the user who no need EQ, they won't need the crytalizer also... rolleyes.gif
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I read reviews that Crystallizer works better on the Prelude than on Creative own X-Fi

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Its my right whether to keep it to myself or express it here....let the mod be the judge.....dont try to flame anyone if you dont understand how to read between the lines......... nod.gif
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If you talking about rights, its my right to tell you so too rolleyes.gif I don't want to crap the thread. Anymore of your garbage talk I will just ignore
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I read reviews that Crystallizer works better on the Prelude than on Creative own X-Fi
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Is it? got link or not? brows.gif
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Is it? got link or not? brows.gif
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cumulating 592 post from anger Creative user in just 36 hours from the first thread released by the Creative forum moderator... sweat.gif
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i just hotrodded my xtrememusic with lm4562 and 2200uf cap. sounds better than ever

here's the guide if someone interested

http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f46/hotroddi...-no-56k-226975/
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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Mar 30 2008, 12:57 PM)
or straight away jump inside here

cumulating 592 post from anger Creative user in just 36 hours from the first thread released by the Creative forum moderator... sweat.gif
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I just checked the Creative Stock Market price.. it seems it a down trend... that's very bad!! It seems Creative's bad action caused world wide hate towards the company. Poor Singapore one and only successful international company...

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Added on April 1, 2008, 11:16 pmomg! it's true... Creative is selling its headquarters building in S'pore for SGD$200million profit!

Source:

http://info.sgx.com/webcoranncatth.nsf/VwA...pdf?openelement

http://info.sgx.com/webcoranncatth.nsf/VwA...pdf?openelement

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it means no Creative SG corp. adi? hmm.gif

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i just hotrodded my xtrememusic with lm4562 and 2200uf cap. sounds better than ever

here's the guide if someone interested

http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f46/hotroddi...-no-56k-226975/
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got do any RMAA test or not? i wonder how the figure show after your mod..

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Can This Creative Soundblaster X-FI Elite Pro

Pair Wiht X-Fi I/O Drive Upgrade Kit?
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Can This Creative Soundblaster X-FI Elite Pro

Pair Wiht  X-Fi I/O Drive Upgrade Kit?
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u means X-FI Elite Pro from Blitz? sure can...
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This is probably a good time to not buy the future new X-Fi stuff from Creative anymore. Especially after the Daniel K case.

Hopefully other soundcard manufacturers could give Creative a run for its money. I reckon this very well be my last Sound Blaster card and will not resort to buying any of their products anymore.

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QUOTE(kianweic @ Apr 3 2008, 11:57 AM)
This is probably a good time to not buy the future new X-Fi stuff from Creative anymore. Especially after the Daniel K case.

Hopefully other soundcard manufacturers could give Creative a run for its money. I reckon this very well be my last Sound Blaster card and will not resort to buying any of their products anymore.

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nope...i will read all feedback or review before i buy it...i don't mind buy the 2nd hand card but not the new card...sometimes boycott the product will make us less one choice, why we need to limit our own option?
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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Apr 3 2008, 12:05 PM)
nope...i will read all feedback or review before i buy it...i don't mind buy the 2nd hand card but not the new card...sometimes boycott the product will make us less one choice, why we need to limit our own option?
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the problem is that creative intentionally cripples the sound card so you need to get a new one
why would anyone want to get a sound card that has no driver support?
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QUOTE(Kytz @ Apr 3 2008, 12:16 PM)
the problem is that creative intentionally cripples the sound card so you need to get a new one
why would anyone want to get a sound card that has no driver support?
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yap...as long as the problem aren't occur on me then is OK...as long as the Dolby Digital and DTS Functioning well in XP is OK for me....as long as it sounds good in XP is OK for me...i bought it 2nd hand for RM280, so for this price, if i feel satisfied then is OK for me...
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Anyway its only a matter of time when everybody switch to Windows Vista including myself.

Finding my old Audigy 2 soundcard redundant kinda sucks ass. As well as a crippled drivers for my soundblaster X-Fi Xtreme music suck ass just to pave way for their new X-Fi 2 (which is likely to be exactly the same like X-Fi 1)

Consumers must teach Creative that we should not tolerate such unethical corporate behaviour.
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I am going to hold off my purchase of Creative sound card in light of the driver issue. Their reputation is going down.
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Unfortunately, the situation did not change for us.

They did say an updated Audigy driver would eventually be released, but don't be optimistic about it (their priority is the launch of X-Fi 2).

What I can say for sure is the features I've enabled will not be made available in an official driver update.

Although I still have my doubts, they've said I would not be threatened if I provided patches instead of the actual binaries, because of licensed technologies built into them (Dolby/DTS).

While this could even be true, most of the disabled features are Creative's own technologies, which means they've disabled them on their own choice.

That's funny when people think you are an idiot.

They were after me and, on a chat session, they asked me what I'd like from them, as if I were expecting something.

They've promised me a free X-Fi 2, but I told them it was not necessary, because I was getting a couple of cards from other companies that contacted me.

Well, at least they are getting flammed all over the web and they are certainly mad about it and I could feel it while chatting with them. That is an enough reward for my hard work.

I'm not releasing a patch to enable DDL on any X-Fi neither Crystalizer for Audigy because, as they've pointed out to me, providing an alternative for their customers is good for them and increase their sales, specially when someone is doing it for free. Given the current situation, I cannot let this happen. 

I just hope their competitor companies do something about it.

And I really hope people don't forget this. 

Thank you very much for your support and your donations. 

Best regards,

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how much is that X-Fi I/O Drive Upgrade Kit?

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i'm thinking to buy a creative live external 24 bits soundcard.
if compare this soundcard to the on board soundcard..do there any differences?
i'm using laptop.
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wana ask u all one thing...
i'm thinking to buy a creative live external 24 bits soundcard.
if compare this soundcard to the on board soundcard..do there any differences?
i'm using laptop.
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just upgraded my current soundcard from Xtreme Music -> Elite Pro thumbup.gif

well...the first impression was rather disappointing as it doesn't produce THAT much of audio improvement. That was the first impression...

after shuffling through my music collection the whole night, I slowly pickup very subtle difference between the lowest X-Fi series Xtreme Music and the highest end Elite Pro. I'm on AegoM which is considered as the lower end hifi speakers, so it might not be able to reveal the full potential of Elite Pro, but it's still a damn good speakers to certain extend. Here's what I've noticed.
1. the bass is so much smoother now. it beats harder and ends with a much smoother feel. XtremeMusic bass...well it's rather dull.
2. The treble and bass tuning within Creative Audio Console has lesser impact on the audio output. Not sure whether this is a good thing or not, but after turning up treble and Bass to maximum, the music quality is still pretty acceptable. With XtremeMusic, the audio output changes very rapidly with each bass and treble setting, and with maximum treble it's just ear piercing and with maximum bass, music becomes blurry and lost all the music details.
3. I hardly need to tune the EQ settings with Elite Pro. Previously under XtremeMusic, I really need to spend time to fine tune the EQ to my liking.

Elite Pro still produces a very bright audio output, emphasizing a lot of "effects" from your music.
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QUOTE(blessedvillain @ Apr 10 2008, 10:50 AM)
just upgraded my current soundcard from Xtreme Music -> Elite Pro  thumbup.gif

well...the first impression was rather disappointing as it doesn't produce THAT much of audio improvement. That was the first impression...

after shuffling through my music collection the whole night, I slowly pickup very subtle difference between the lowest X-Fi series Xtreme Music and the highest end Elite Pro. I'm on AegoM which is considered as the lower end hifi speakers, so it might not be able to reveal the full potential of Elite Pro, but it's still a damn good speakers to certain extend. Here's what I've noticed.
1. the bass is so much smoother now. it beats harder and ends with a much smoother feel. XtremeMusic bass...well it's rather dull. 
2. The treble and bass tuning within Creative Audio Console has lesser impact on the audio output. Not sure whether this is a good thing or not, but after turning up treble and Bass to maximum, the music quality is still pretty acceptable. With XtremeMusic, the audio output changes very rapidly with each bass and treble setting, and with maximum treble it's just ear piercing and with maximum bass, music becomes blurry and lost all the music details.
3. I hardly need to tune the EQ settings with Elite Pro. Previously under XtremeMusic, I really need to spend time to fine tune the EQ to my liking.

Elite Pro still produces a very bright audio output, emphasizing a lot of "effects" from your music.
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That is the result of CS4398 DAC, as people say its very analytical

Good to hear that you hear improvement, and the driver worked most of all smile.gif

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So the conclusion, Elite Pro is the best among X-Fi?
Is there an audible improvement? hmm.gif
I wanna get a X-Fi Extreme Music if Bliz don't have stock of Elite Pro.. doh.gif

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So the conclusion, Elite Pro is the best among X-Fi?
Is there an audible improvement?  hmm.gif
I wanna get a X-Fi Extreme Music if Bliz don't have stock of Elite Pro..  doh.gif
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Ya, X-FI elite-Pro is the best among X-FI in terms of DAC and opamps, which play a majority role in sound...

but extremeMusic can outperform elitepro if change the stock opamps to LM4562 and only if u have the soldering and desoldering skills.. sweat.gif
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Ya, X-FI elite-Pro is the best among X-FI in terms of DAC and opamps, which play a majority role in sound...

but extremeMusic can outperform elitepro if change the stock opamps to LM4562 and only if u have the soldering and desoldering skills.. sweat.gif
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soldering and de-soldering is easy if you have the proper equipment + steady hands. Mis-solder will cause undesirable outcome or even short circuit. I'm still admiring those who do modification to their expensive soundcards... notworthy.gif I quite used to do soldering with circuit boards but when it comes to expensive boards, i still have to think twice.

by the way, Elite Pro does sound and feel a bit deeper with fuller sound compared with Xtreme Music. AegoM is missing certain midrange frequencies, so i think the sound will be even richer and fuller with another pair of good speakers.


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i just bought the elite pro. when i plug in the mic and speak. there will be echo coming from the speaker, how to disable it?
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i just bought the elite pro. when i plug in the mic and speak. there will be echo coming from the speaker, how to disable it?
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your mic sucks? lol laugh.gif

anyway...mmm...try to disable the X-fi features such as CMSS-3D.

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just upgraded my current soundcard from Xtreme Music -> Elite Pro  thumbup.gif

well...the first impression was rather disappointing as it doesn't produce THAT much of audio improvement. That was the first impression...

after shuffling through my music collection the whole night, I slowly pickup very subtle difference between the lowest X-Fi series Xtreme Music and the highest end Elite Pro. I'm on AegoM which is considered as the lower end hifi speakers, so it might not be able to reveal the full potential of Elite Pro, but it's still a damn good speakers to certain extend. Here's what I've noticed.
1. the bass is so much smoother now. it beats harder and ends with a much smoother feel. XtremeMusic bass...well it's rather dull. 
2. The treble and bass tuning within Creative Audio Console has lesser impact on the audio output. Not sure whether this is a good thing or not, but after turning up treble and Bass to maximum, the music quality is still pretty acceptable. With XtremeMusic, the audio output changes very rapidly with each bass and treble setting, and with maximum treble it's just ear piercing and with maximum bass, music becomes blurry and lost all the music details.
3. I hardly need to tune the EQ settings with Elite Pro. Previously under XtremeMusic, I really need to spend time to fine tune the EQ to my liking.

Elite Pro still produces a very bright audio output, emphasizing a lot of "effects" from your music.
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regarding to your no.2 and 3 statements, i would like to add some explanation on it, so that the user of non-elitePro can know more about the EQ in Creative Console

Actually Creative EQ and Bass/treble knob is not too good because messing with one parameter will affect others frequency channel, don't understand? rclxub.gif nvm, just see the graph below...

This is 16Khz 12dB boost
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This frequency curve result of RMAA test
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This is 1Khz 6dB boost
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resulting boost of RMAA test
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This is 1Khz -6dB cut
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resulting cut of RMAA test
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You can see in the graph, as the part i circled, boosting one band will pull down the adjacent band, or cut down one band will raise the adjacent band.. thats why X-FI user spent a lot of time by fine tune the EQ...sweat.gif

This is RMAA results from Full clock-wise bass/treble knob in X-FI console
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The curve show that why the treble piercing ear when turn the treble maximum...the region boost was the "piercing region" from 3kHz to 10Khz... sweat.gif

I found that this phenomenon was cause by the Creative software itself, not the hardware, because other EQ plugin or media player EQ no such weird issue...

So here my advise to non-Elite-Pro X-FI user, if u are a serious EQ tuner, avoid the creative console EQ...

you can use EQ in the media player, most of them no such weird issue...i currently using Winamp EQ+ plugin paragraphic EQ thumbup.gif

My test results just apply to XtremeGamer, XtremeMusic, FatalityPro except ElitePro because first 3 are using exactly same hardware and software...

@blessedvillain
If you can post your test i will be very appreciate... tongue.gif

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@coolkwc..

interesting test. Alright...i'll try to re-affirm your statement soon....I've downloaded RMAA but still havent mess around with it yet.
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Alright...i did some testing with RMAA on Frequency Response using X-Fi Elite Pro

EQ settings - Flat
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EQ Setting, 6db on 1kHz
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EQ Setting, -6dB on 1kHz
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@coolkwc
Maybe you could comment more on the above graphs. It seems that Elite Pro EQ settings and its Frequency responses do not differ much from other X-Fi series card

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OK, thanks for your test...so that i can make a conclusion on Creative X-FI EQ...

Well, here my advise to all X-FI user, if u are a serious EQ tuner, avoid the creative console EQ...

Creative really not good on software development....The hardware itself no problem, but the software give troubles to the hardware... sweat.gif very bad shakehead.gif

Still media player EQ or EQ plugin are the only choice to serious EQ tuner...
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it means no Creative SG corp. adi? hmm.gif

Added on April 2, 2008, 3:13 pm

got do any RMAA test or not? i wonder how the figure show after your mod..
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hi there, sorry for late reply. quite a busy week for me here. I did rmaa test for my modded xfi but it seemed something is wrong with my interconnect as the program detected crossover. so i'm waiting for a new IC and my graphic card caps just stopped working a week ago. so it might be awhile before i could get that result again.

as far as i remember, my freq response is +-2. i'm not sure why it's so bad. if bad IC cause that, that would be a relief to me.

I also noticed that dynamic range is better a point or two than yours. i forgot about other detail. i'll definitely post a screenshot later.
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hi there, sorry for late reply. quite a busy week for me here. I did rmaa test for my modded xfi but it seemed something is wrong with my interconnect as the program detected crossover. so i'm waiting for a new IC and my graphic card caps just stopped working a week ago. so it might be awhile before i could get that result again.

as far as i remember, my freq response is +-2. i'm not sure why it's so bad. if bad IC cause that, that would be a relief to me.

I also noticed that dynamic range is better a point or two than yours. i forgot about other detail. i'll definitely post a screenshot later.
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i think the XtremeMusic definitely got Crossover problem, even my unmodded card also detect crossover when do a loop back test, so i think is not ur LM4562 problem...nvm, take ur time to post the results...
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which official driver is better for xp?
the one in cd or in website(SBXF_PCDRV_LB_2_15_0006)?
downloaded driver from web is labeled as web update 5.
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x-fi driver can use in vista?
i jus found daniel_k audigy driver~
nt x-fi also..?
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there is special driver for x-fi from daniel k
that one you found is for audigy
please search harder thumbup.gif

QUOTE(KiNd3rbU3no @ Apr 14 2008, 03:22 AM)
x-fi driver can use in vista?
i jus found daniel_k audigy driver~
nt x-fi also..?
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which official driver is better for xp?
the one in cd or in website(SBXF_PCDRV_LB_2_15_0006)?
downloaded driver from web is labeled as web update 5.
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guys,
I think i read somewhere that modded daniek_k xfi driver is not really tested properly. He doesn't even have the card to test it, he only modified and re-enable the features locked for vista from the coding.

can somebody confirm this?
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guys,
I think i read somewhere that modded daniek_k xfi driver is not really tested properly. He doesn't even have the card to test it, he only modified and re-enable the features locked for vista from the coding.

can somebody confirm this?
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This one i really don't know....but you can try it cause it won't harm anything... nod.gif

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which  official driver is better for xp?
the one in cd or in website(SBXF_PCDRV_LB_2_15_0006)?
downloaded driver from web is labeled as web update 5.
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You can try it also...won't harm anything...if you are gamer, latest driver will be better...

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X-Fi elite pro user reporting in... just found this thread lol =_="
Pairing with AL 4121 2.1 speaker....
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X-FI Elite Pro pair with AL4121? shocking.gif

u waste your sound card TOTALLYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! shocking.gif blink.gif mega_shok.gif

u are getting a bit too CREATIVE, lol... tongue.gif

change it ASAP... doh.gif

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X-Fi elite pro user reporting in... just found this thread lol =_="
Pairing with AL 4121 2.1 speaker....
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pls do consider changing your speaker.... sigh~ sakit hati la, like you have Ferrari Engine,but put in Proton body....
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another X-Fi elite pro user reporting in.. rclxms.gif

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X-FI Elite Pro pair with AL4121? shocking.gif

u waste your sound card TOTALLYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! shocking.gif  blink.gif  mega_shok.gif

u are getting a bit too CREATIVE, lol... tongue.gif

change it ASAP... doh.gif
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another X-Fi elite pro user reporting in..  rclxms.gif

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tell us la... brows.gif
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tat is not shot la.... is advise smile.gif
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is 'forcing' + advise, lolllll rclxm9.gif

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let me guess...sonic gear?!
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oh ya ! X-Fi Platinum Fatal1ty Champion Series report in !
btw ,this sound card can use in vista bor?
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oh ya ! X-Fi Platinum Fatal1ty Champion Series report in !
btw ,this sound card can use in vista bor?
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can...but without Dolby Digital and DTS...if u want good sound and good features, just stick with XP...

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i'm using vista..i think all the software can be use..dont know the diff in xp because before this only use onboard sound...

maybe later tonight will spare some time to install XP into other hdd....but how i'm going to compare the sound?? LOL doh.gif

btw..i only use the driver provided by Bliz...thanks to him... notworthy.gif

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recommend me any good speaker i can pair with this sound card... biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(craxors @ Apr 14 2008, 08:45 PM)
i'm using vista..i think all the software can be use..dont know the diff in xp because before this only use onboard sound...

maybe later tonight will spare some time to install XP into other hdd....but how i'm going to compare the sound?? LOL doh.gif

btw..i only use the driver provided by Bliz...thanks to him... notworthy.gif

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recommend me any good speaker i can pair with this sound card... biggrin.gif
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if you play games and watch movies, and occasional music....this card can be pair with most good >RM500 altec lansing, klipsch, edifier and logitech.
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QUOTE(craxors @ Apr 14 2008, 08:45 PM)
i'm using vista..i think all the software can be use..dont know the diff in xp because before this only use onboard sound...

maybe later tonight will spare some time to install XP into other hdd....but how i'm going to compare the sound?? LOL doh.gif

btw..i only use the driver provided by Bliz...thanks to him... notworthy.gif

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recommend me any good speaker i can pair with this sound card... biggrin.gif
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if you want to use the features fully, stick with XP....no Dolby Digital and DTS in Vista for this card as Creative cripple these functions in Vista...

Seriously, what speaker u using now?
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if you want to use the features fully, stick with XP....no Dolby Digital and DTS in Vista for this card as Creative cripple these functions in Vista...

Seriously, what speaker u using now?
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if want vista also can but you have to use alchemy for gaming..

owh btw i want to report in too
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i think it sounds 50% better than my previous ZS..
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QUOTE(arafat @ Apr 15 2008, 01:21 AM)
if want vista also can but you have to use alchemy for gaming..

owh btw i want to report in too
using elite pro with logitech z-640
i think it sounds 50% better than my previous ZS..
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i'm surprised you can measure the quality of the sound by percentage. sweat.gif laugh.gif If you say 50% improvement compared to ZS, then i must say that it's 10% improvement over Xtreme Platinum

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I have vs4121....

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The bass is very boomy ler, mx5021 with tight bass cant be so boomy~~ Boomm.. Woomm.. Hoomm..
In aspect of boomy bass, vs4021 rules all, furthermore it's around RM200 only~

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And it's nice for movies and games due to the shaking feel from the woofer~
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QUOTE(blessedvillain @ Apr 15 2008, 01:47 AM)
@arafat
i'm surprised you can measure the quality of the sound by percentage.  sweat.gif  laugh.gif  If you say 50% improvement compared to ZS, then i must say that it's 10% improvement over Xtreme Platinum
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extreme platinum = extreme music
and from what i heard it's same DAC like ZS..
so i dont think it's 40% over ZS.. icon_idea.gif
hehe..just kidding
btw can platinum console use with elite pro?
can anyone do the testing.
i think if got remote my pc will look 'cooler'
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QUOTE(arafat @ Apr 15 2008, 02:49 AM)
extreme platinum = extreme music
and from what i heard it's same DAC like ZS..
so i dont think it's 40% over ZS..  icon_idea.gif
hehe..just kidding
btw can platinum console use with elite pro?
can anyone do the testing.
i think if got remote my pc will look 'cooler'
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not DAC = ZS, is opamps = ZS

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I have vs4121....

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The bass is very boomy ler, mx5021 with tight bass cant be so boomy~~ Boomm.. Woomm.. Hoomm..
In aspect of boomy bass, vs4021 rules all, furthermore it's around RM200 only~

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And it's nice for movies and games due to the shaking feel from the woofer~
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hmmm....X-Fi Platinum Fatal1ty Champion Series pairing with logi z5500 reporting in!

since i have internal and external decoders...i wonder which one is better ..... ah well, at least i can use external decoders on vista smile.gif
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QUOTE(madballs @ Apr 15 2008, 02:19 PM)
hmmm....X-Fi Platinum Fatal1ty Champion Series pairing with logi z5500 reporting in!

since i have internal and external decoders...i wonder which one is better ..... ah well, at least i can use external decoders on vista smile.gif
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Are you sure u can output DTS and Dolby Digital bit stream from ur card in Vista?i don't think so...
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Are you sure u can output DTS and Dolby Digital bit stream from ur card in Vista?i don't think so...
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how do i do that..?
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how do i do that..?
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stick with XP... sweat.gif
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stick with XP... sweat.gif
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can u provide me a guide or a link how to fully utilize this SC if using 4.1 speaker setup..

*right now i'm just setting what is best for my ears..
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QUOTE(craxors @ Apr 16 2008, 12:30 PM)
can u provide me a guide or a link how to fully utilize this SC if using 4.1 speaker setup..

*right now i'm just setting what is best for my ears..
or is it that the way it should be..??"trust your ears"
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fully utilize? what means? just set your speaker setup into 4.1 is settle....
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if you want to hear 4.1 of stereo music, set as below...
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stereo surround will clone the front stereo into rear channel, so the sound will be more natural...otherwise you can try stereo Xpand, maybe u like it...

I using 4.1 setup also....i use media player classic with K-lite codec AC3 filter to watch the Dolby Digital movie, no problem, and i very satisfied with it...


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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Apr 16 2008, 01:57 PM)
I using 4.1 setup also....i use media player classic with K-lite codec AC3 filter to watch the Dolby Digital movie, no problem, and i very satisfied with it...
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i think we both using same methods... nod.gif

just found this website..
quite usefull i think..for x-fi elite pro user.. tongue.gif
http://www.nordichardware.com/Articles/?page=1&skrivelse=441
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Guys.... is S550. S750 a good speaker?
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Great speaker when its working, it's a known fact that the S750 amp konk easily. Better u get Megaworks 550THX, almost the same sound quality as the S750.
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QUOTE(Bliz @ Apr 16 2008, 07:52 PM)
Great speaker when its working, it's a known fact that the S750 amp konk easily. Better u get Megaworks 550THX, almost the same sound quality as the S750.
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Well...i saw somebody in the forum selling S750 only RM700 =_=" retail price >2k..... how could tat be ....

Creative got imitation / Refurbish stuff???

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QUOTE(Bliz @ Apr 16 2008, 07:52 PM)
Great speaker when its working, it's a known fact that the S750 amp konk easily. Better u get Megaworks 550THX, almost the same sound quality as the S750.
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how abt megaworks 550 vs gigaworks 550??
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lol....here is Creative X-FI club, not Creative speaker club....
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QUOTE(songbo @ Apr 17 2008, 12:01 AM)
how abt megaworks 550 vs gigaworks 550??
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There's no gigaworks 550, only got gigaworks S700 or gigaworks S750. In terms of sound, the S750 is definitely better but not a lot more better, just a little bit. Megaworks 550Thx is already widely regarded as one of the best sounding PC speaker from the legendary Cambridge Soundworks(R), u will definitely not going to be regret getting 550THX
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QUOTE(rsangel @ Apr 16 2008, 11:23 PM)
Well...i saw somebody in the forum selling S750 only RM700 =_=" retail price >2k..... how could tat be ....

Creative got imitation / Refurbish stuff???
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yap,creative now got many clean stock speaker,
if u intrested,u can try to grab one from them. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Bliz @ Apr 17 2008, 02:46 AM)
There's no gigaworks 550, only got gigaworks S700 or gigaworks S750. In terms of sound, the S750 is definitely better but not a lot more better, just a little bit. Megaworks 550Thx is already widely regarded as one of the best sounding PC speaker from the legendary Cambridge Soundworks(R), u will definitely not going to be regret getting 550THX
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hahaha...Bliz! u r making me considering changing my aegom for 550THX... I miss listening to Evanescense, Smashing Pumpkins, Incubus...

NOw, most of the time, I'm listening to Indie folk songs and rock pop.... laugh.gif AegoM did change my music preference...lol
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QUOTE(blessedvillain @ Apr 17 2008, 07:28 AM)
hahaha...Bliz! u r making me considering changing my aegom for 550THX... I miss listening to Evanescense, Smashing Pumpkins, Incubus...

NOw, most of the time, I'm listening to Indie folk songs and rock pop.... laugh.gif  AegoM did change my music preference...lol
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I listen to a lot of those songs, so i didn't get AegoM is right choice for me haha.
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gt xtreme music recently frm blitz and thking of upgrading speaker next... what would u ppl recommend? pls gv a few choice for diff price range... thx.
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I listen to a lot of those songs, so i didn't get AegoM is right choice for me haha.
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maybe not 550THX, i would rather prefer a 2.1 or 2.0 bookself speakers.. would 5.1 speakers sound good on music?
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QUOTE(Deerc @ Apr 17 2008, 12:05 PM)
gt xtreme music recently frm blitz and thking of upgrading speaker next... what would u ppl recommend? pls gv a few choice for diff price range... thx.
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What speaker u use now?
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maybe not 550THX, i would rather prefer a 2.1 or 2.0 bookself speakers.. would 5.1 speakers sound good on music?
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i would really like to know tat too.... whether 5.1, 7.1 good for music too?
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i would really like to know tat too.... whether 5.1, 7.1 good for music too?
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depends on the speaker setup...if you are using 'native' 5.1 or 7.1 speaker, than the sound will be OK, but some people like me setup surround speaker by using different brand of speaker, than the sound will become weird if mismatch....
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i would really like to know tat too.... whether 5.1, 7.1 good for music too?
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yup..i "also also" want to know..if right now want to upgrade from 2.1 speaker, which setup is better..5.1 or 7.1..for me..mainly for gaming and movies...hmm.gif
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maybe not 550THX, i would rather prefer a 2.1 or 2.0 bookself speakers.. would 5.1 speakers sound good on music?
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Why do u even need 5.1 for listening to music? It just sound so weird, my 550THX will only output sound at the front 2 satelites when listening to music, cos i didn't enable Stereo Surround at the X-FI audio console.

QUOTE(rsangel @ Apr 17 2008, 12:29 PM)
i would really like to know tat too.... whether 5.1, 7.1 good for music too?
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Just buy a 5.1/7.1 system, listening to music will output sound to the front satelites only, unless u unable stereo surround..
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QUOTE(Bliz @ Apr 17 2008, 02:46 AM)
There's no gigaworks 550, only got gigaworks S700 or gigaworks S750. In terms of sound, the S750 is definitely better but not a lot more better, just a little bit. Megaworks 550Thx is already widely regarded as one of the best sounding PC speaker from the legendary Cambridge Soundworks(R), u will definitely not going to be regret getting 550THX
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i mean CREATIVE GIGAWORKS G550W 5.1 SPEAKER. like it becoz of its wireless rear speaker cos i always get headache with the wire management.. and the decoder is a plus. but not sure hows the performance.. no place can audit also..
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Well..i play game more than listening to music...
Going to buy S750... but worried about that AMP problem as you guys describe, hope i wont be the unlucky one ....
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got a really interesting question to ask you guys...

is there any difference in audio quality output between XP xfi driver VS vista xfi driver using the same EQ, same settings?

I'm currently using Vista but somehow everytime i use back XP and listen to my songs, it did sound a bit different, XP output seems to be abit better. I'm not sure whether it's just me or the driver really got different effects on the output .
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QUOTE(blessedvillain @ Apr 17 2008, 11:28 PM)
got a really interesting question to ask you guys...

is there any difference in audio quality output between XP xfi driver VS vista xfi driver using the same EQ, same settings?

I'm currently using Vista but somehow everytime i use back XP and listen to my songs, it did sound a bit different, XP output seems to be abit better. I'm not sure whether it's just me or the driver really got different effects on the output .
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i hv the same feeling also. in the end i switch back to xp.. another reason i switched back to xp is creative sc driver works better in xp doh.gif
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QUOTE(blessedvillain @ Apr 17 2008, 11:28 PM)
got a really interesting question to ask you guys...

is there any difference in audio quality output between XP xfi driver VS vista xfi driver using the same EQ, same settings?

I'm currently using Vista but somehow everytime i use back XP and listen to my songs, it did sound a bit different, XP output seems to be abit better. I'm not sure whether it's just me or the driver really got different effects on the output .
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I feel the same thing as you...X-FI sound in Vista is rough in treble and lost detail in midrange...not too much, but is significant for me...I discovered this difference just 2 weeks ago, before that i play music in XP for so long time, thats why i feel the difference...

And i do RMAA test in Vista too, the frequency response curve got ripple after 4kHz, not as flat as in XP....
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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Apr 17 2008, 11:45 PM)
I feel the same thing as you...X-FI sound in Vista is rough in treble and lost detail in midrange...not too much, but is significant for me...I discovered this difference just 2 weeks ago, before that i play music in XP for so long time, thats why i feel the difference...

And i do RMAA test in Vista too, the frequency response curve got ripple after 4kHz, not as flat as in XP....
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omg!... at least i'm not the only one who "felt" the difference... sweat.gif
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omg!... at least i'm not the only one who "felt" the difference...  sweat.gif
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What player u use in Vista? I use Winamp in Vista and have the exactly 100% same EQ setting as in XP...the difference is i saw the 'software mixing' in Vista instead 'hardware mixing' in XP, so i think this is the cause of SQ degradation since no direct sound in Vista...

another problem in Vista was the sound sometimes skip or pop....not often, but never happen in XP... sweat.gif

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Apr 18 2008, 12:00 AM)
What player u use in Vista? I use Winamp in Vista and have the exactly 100% same EQ setting as in XP...the difference is i saw the 'software mixing' in Vista instead 'hardware mixing' in XP, so i think this is the cause of SQ degradation since no direct sound in Vista...

another problem in Vista was the sound sometimes skip or pop....not often, but never happen in XP... sweat.gif
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thanks to creative for its crappy vista driver vmad.gif mad.gif
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QUOTE(songbo @ Apr 18 2008, 12:05 AM)
thanks to creative for its crappy vista driver  vmad.gif  mad.gif
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Actually i adi prepared myself to use the Vista, the networking in Vista is much more better than XP, because my daily activity is surf net and listen song, but i'm serious in sound quality, i can't compromise although it is just a minor degradation, so now i 90% in XP and 10% in Vista...

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Apr 18 2008, 12:16 AM)
Actually i adi prepared myself to use the Vista, the networking in Vista is much more better than XP, because my daily activity is surf net and listen song, but i'm serious in sound quality, i can't compromise although it is just a minor degradation, so now i 90% in XP and 10% in Vista...
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yeah i prefer vista too. in the end i dump creative and went for another brand's sc. now working perfectly in vista rclxm9.gif

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Apr 18 2008, 12:00 AM)
What player u use in Vista? I use Winamp in Vista and have the exactly 100% same EQ setting as in XP...the difference is i saw the 'software mixing' in Vista instead 'hardware mixing' in XP, so i think this is the cause of SQ degradation since no direct sound in Vista...

another problem in Vista was the sound sometimes skip or pop....not often, but never happen in XP... sweat.gif
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I use winamp under both XP and Vista. I still do the EQ settings in Creative Audio Console as winamp EQ really too complicated for me. I'm on AegoM and XP does make the music output sounds better.

QUOTE(coolkwc @ Apr 18 2008, 12:16 AM)
Actually i adi prepared myself to use the Vista, the networking in Vista is much more better than XP, because my daily activity is surf net and listen song, but i'm serious in sound quality, i can't compromise although it is just a minor degradation, so now i 90% in XP and 10% in Vista...
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I'm now actually 95% vista and 5% XP. i use back XP when gaming and all other things with VIsta.

YEP! networking really does wonders on Vista. My bittorrent always running in full speed at 180kbps and it doesnt make my Vista lags. But in XP, at 180kbps, it slow the system to crawl at times.

It's really a pity cause i like vista quite alot compare to xp... yawn.gif
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thanks to creative for its crappy vista driver  vmad.gif  mad.gif
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i'm just wondering... is it really THAT difficult to write drivers for Vista?? and why dun they write it so that it drives the hardware to its full potential>??? funny.... rclxub.gif doh.gif
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QUOTE(blessedvillain @ Apr 18 2008, 12:28 AM)
i'm just wondering... is it really THAT difficult to write drivers for Vista?? and why dun they write it so that it drives the hardware to its full potential>???  funny.... rclxub.gif  doh.gif
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a lot of users said this is purposely done by Creative to condemn the old card so that the new card 'X-FI 2' sales will be boosted.... sweat.gif
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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Apr 18 2008, 12:31 AM)
a lot of users said this is purposely done by Creative to condemn the old card so that the new card 'X-FI 2' sales will be boosted.... sweat.gif
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ya..i know...

glad that my question triggered so much response. I gonna miss Vista. I'm almost there with you, coolkwc, any audio degration will annoy me!! I can't believe I'm at this stage where i need to change OS just to get those little audio details back!! vmad.gif
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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Apr 18 2008, 12:31 AM)
a lot of users said this is purposely done by Creative to condemn the old card so that the new card 'X-FI 2' sales will be boosted.... sweat.gif
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They've done it on previous card, like on Audigy and Live! series. I'm not surprised to see this on future Creative cards, they always 'forgot' about the previous card no matter how powerful and great it was shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(Najmods @ Apr 18 2008, 12:42 AM)
They've done it on previous card, like on Audigy and Live! series. I'm not surprised to see this on future Creative cards, they always 'forgot' about the previous card no matter how powerful and great it was shakehead.gif
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ya..i know...

glad that my question triggered so much response. I gonna miss Vista. I'm almost there with you, coolkwc, any audio degration will annoy me!! I can't believe I'm at this stage where i need to change OS just to get those little audio details back!!  vmad.gif
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I think you should be OK too since your ElitePro is only RM280 from Blitz...lol....but this sound card really hold me back to XP...now i just wait and see when i will loss my patience towards Creative...

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i am not so pity since i only bought 2nd hand X-FI for cheap price...but for those who bought the top end ElitePro for RM1000++ will jump from the building... sweat.gif

Added on April 18, 2008, 12:52 am

I think you should be OK too since your ElitePro is only RM280 from Blitz...lol....but this sound card really hold me back to XP...now i just wait and see when i will loss my patient towards Creative...
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say 'no' to creative!!!
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say 'no' to creative!!!
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True, I wanted to buy X-Fi cards, but I think long and hard about it. I still undecided, but I leaning towards anti Creative, and anti Audiotrak too. They seems to be as lazy as Creative. I don't mind if the driver don't get updates as often, but if only it got no problem in the first place
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But others brand like Auzentech say 'no' to me because my bank account say 'no' to them...lol tongue.gif
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lol...
slowly upgrade lo. i m using Auzentech nw. very impress with it. wont feel like using creative sc anymore after i own this card. plus they always update their driver thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(Najmods @ Apr 18 2008, 12:58 AM)
True, I wanted to buy X-Fi cards, but I think long and hard about it. I still undecided, but I leaning towards anti Creative, and anti Audiotrak too. They seems to be as lazy as Creative. I don't mind if the driver don't get updates as often, but if only it got no problem in the first place
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Actually i really want the ElitePro from Blitz but was too late because i just got my XtremeMusic before that...RM280 too attractive to me although it might not work well in Vista... tongue.gif

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QUOTE(songbo @ Apr 18 2008, 12:59 AM)
lol...
slowly upgrade lo. i m using Auzentech nw. very impress with it. wont feel like using creative sc anymore after i own this card. plus they always update their driver  thumbup.gif
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Auzentech X-FI or what?

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QUOTE(Najmods @ Apr 18 2008, 12:58 AM)
True, I wanted to buy X-Fi cards, but I think long and hard about it. I still undecided, but I leaning towards anti Creative, and anti Audiotrak too. They seems to be as lazy as Creative. I don't mind if the driver don't get updates as often, but if only it got no problem in the first place
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offtopic, audiotrak hv prob in their driver? they dont update their driver often?
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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Apr 18 2008, 12:50 AM)
i am not so pity since i only bought 2nd hand X-FI for cheap price...but for those who bought the top end ElitePro for RM1000++ will jump from the building... sweat.gif

Added on April 18, 2008, 12:52 am

I think you should be OK too since your ElitePro is only RM280 from Blitz...lol....but this sound card really hold me back to XP...now i just wait and see when i will loss my patience towards Creative...
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it's not a matter of getting xfi at cheaper price, it's the hardware and software long term support that's important to me!

no point buying a Ferrari, if over the next 10years, there's no petrol to run it. same case here, ppl dun really upgrade their soundcard as often as graphics cards...good soundcard is a good soundcard, just pls dun cripple it purposely.
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offtopic, audiotrak hv prob in their driver? they dont update their driver often?
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i think i came across ppl saying that audiotrak dun really update their drivers too....but at least their driver push the hardware to the fullest from the start...
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offtopic, audiotrak hv prob in their driver? they dont update their driver often?
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Yes, the HD2 driver is still on beta stage, dated February last year, I've shot them with two e-mail, the first one the replied they will get a new driver soon (last year) and recently I found more problem, shot them with another more angrier e-mail and they have not responded. You know what I do to this? I totally disintegrate my soundcard, I rather use onboard sound connected to DAC and improve the DAC with the components on the card itself
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you should post the pic of your "disintegrated" HD2. laugh.gif

just curious..what kind of problem did you encounter with the beta? maybe i missed your post in Audiotrak thread. care to mention it again?
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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Apr 18 2008, 01:01 AM)
Actually i really want the ElitePro from Blitz but was too late because i just got my XtremeMusic before that...RM280 too attractive to me although it might not work well in Vista... tongue.gif

Added on April 18, 2008, 1:02 am

Auzentech X-FI or what?
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x-meridian! good for music~ but hard to get..

QUOTE(blessedvillain @ Apr 18 2008, 01:07 AM)
it's not a matter of getting xfi at cheaper price, it's the hardware and software long term support that's important to me!

no point buying a Ferrari, if over the next 10years, there's no petrol to run it. same case here, ppl dun really upgrade their soundcard as often as graphics cards...good soundcard is a good soundcard, just pls dun cripple it purposely.
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agree. the support is important!

QUOTE(Najmods @ Apr 18 2008, 01:09 AM)
Yes, the HD2 driver is still on beta stage, dated February last year, I've shot them with two e-mail, the first one the replied they will get a new driver soon (last year) and recently I found more problem, shot them with another more angrier e-mail and they have not responded. You know what I do to this? I totally disintegrate my soundcard, I rather use onboard sound connected to DAC and improve the DAC with the components on the card itself
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yeah wondering wats the issue huh?
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QUOTE(blessedvillain @ Apr 18 2008, 01:07 AM)
it's not a matter of getting xfi at cheaper price, it's the hardware and software long term support that's important to me!

no point buying a Ferrari, if over the next 10years, there's no petrol to run it. same case here, ppl dun really upgrade their soundcard as often as graphics cards...good soundcard is a good soundcard, just pls dun cripple it purposely.
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ya, when i first bought my 2nd hand X-FI in January this year, from the perspective of hardware, i really thought the X-FI will sit inside my PC forever, but now it seems my thought was wrong, as the new generation of OS come out, the X-FI will lag behind far and far...

before i bought this card, my mind just got Creative, although i heard all the Audiotrak, Auzentech before, but i just not confident on that...but after i bought it, i went to the Creative forum and saw a lot of weird scenario...the criticism of the users there make me shock, after that i really went to search a lot of forum, modding forum etc...and just in three months, i found all the dark side of my card, either from hardware used or software....but is too late...

but i enjoy it, because i feel worth it for RM200++ i spent to know all this thing....at least after i got this card, i know the other brand of card, opamps, DAC and much more...

and I found that i become addicted to the sound card adi... sweat.gif

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Apr 18 2008, 01:26 AM)
ya, when i first bought my 2nd hand X-FI in January this year, from the perspective of hardware, i really thought the X-FI will sit inside my PC forever, but now it seems my thought was wrong, as the new generation of OS come out, the X-FI will lag behind far and far...

before i bought this card, my mind just got Creative, although i heard all the Audiotrak, Auzentech before, but i just not confident on that...but after i bought it, i went to the Creative forum and saw a lot of weird scenario...the criticism of the users there make me shock, after that i really went to search a lot of forum, modding forum etc...and just in three months, i found all the dark side of my card, either from hardware used or software....but is too late...

but i enjoy it, because i feel worth it for RM200++ i spent to know all this thing....at least after i got this card, i know the other brand of card, opamps, DAC and much more...

and I found that i become addicted to the sound card adi... sweat.gif
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same case here. I've been using onboard audio since god knows when.... my first soundcard was Sound Blaster 16, and that was when the technology leaped forward and jump from the mobo's 'beep beep beep' sound to actual sound reproduction. but after that intel started to introduce the built in realtek, it's onboard all the way.

But when i got X-fi card for the first time, i got really really interested in technology behind it. that's when i started to hang out more in audiophile section. Now i know getting perfect-to-ear high fidelity costs alot!!! sigh~ i wish my wallet is capable to fulfill my desires........
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some bad news here for X-FI user....

i look for my card very detail 2 days ago and i found a lot of 'G-Luxon' capacitors were used in analogue part of the card, and i just found in HERE and HERE G-Luxon was 'well known' bad cap... shocking.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif

So, X-Fi user please prepare for the SQ degradation coming as time passed by...

EDIT: Jamicon cap too.... sweat.gif

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What speaker u use now?
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got a really interesting question to ask you guys...

is there any difference in audio quality output between XP xfi driver VS vista xfi driver using the same EQ, same settings?

I'm currently using Vista but somehow everytime i use back XP and listen to my songs, it did sound a bit different, XP output seems to be abit better. I'm not sure whether it's just me or the driver really got different effects on the output .
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i hv the same feeling also. in the end i switch back to xp.. another reason i switched back to xp is creative sc driver works better in xp  doh.gif
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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Apr 17 2008, 11:45 PM)
I feel the same thing as you...X-FI sound in Vista is rough in treble and lost detail in midrange...not too much, but is significant for me...I discovered this difference just 2 weeks ago, before that i play music in XP for so long time, thats why i feel the difference...

And i do RMAA test in Vista too, the frequency response curve got ripple after 4kHz, not as flat as in XP....
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QUOTE(blessedvillain @ Apr 17 2008, 11:52 PM)
omg!... at least i'm not the only one who "felt" the difference...  sweat.gif
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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Apr 18 2008, 02:11 AM)
some bad news here for X-FI user....

i look for my card very detail 2 days ago and i found a lot of 'G-Luxon' capacitors were used in analogue part of the card, and i just found in HERE and HERE G-Luxon was 'well known' bad cap... shocking.gif  sweat.gif  sweat.gif

So, X-Fi user please prepare for the SQ degradation coming as time passed by...

EDIT: Jamicon cap too.... sweat.gif
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this is sad...really sad situation that creative users are being forced to into.

by the way, i'm back on XP now. What a lousy feeling. I'm so familar with Vista and now I'm back with a stone age OS, just to get those little audio details back.. vmad.gif mad.gif

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this is sad...really sad situation that creative users are being forced to into.

by the way, i'm back on XP now. What a lousy feeling. I'm so familar with Vista and now I'm back with a stone age OS, just to get those little audio details back.. vmad.gif  mad.gif
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Ya, once you enter Vista you don't wish to go back XP, but what to do, we are so 'degil' on SQ....
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you should post the pic of your "disintegrated" HD2.  laugh.gif

just curious..what kind of problem did you encounter with the beta? maybe i missed your post in Audiotrak thread. care to mention it again?
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x-meridian! good for music~ but hard to get..
agree. the support is important!
yeah wondering wats the issue huh?
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I've posted it in HD2 bulk thread

*sigh. I recommend you guys don't look for soundcard if you really into music. A good modern onboard soundcard is good enough, and plug it to external DAC via optical or coax. That is the best way to get the best sound quality
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QUOTE(Najmods @ Apr 18 2008, 03:09 PM)
I've posted it in HD2 bulk thread

*sigh. I recommend you guys don't look for soundcard if you really into music. A good modern onboard soundcard is good enough, and plug it to external DAC via optical or coax. That is the best way to get the best sound quality
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But need to be careful when choosing onboard soundcard, digital/optical out should be perfect bit-matched, but what i saw most of the onboard sound digital signal can alter by using the sound effect/EQ setting,my onboard ALC850 is real example, so i highly doubt that the digital signal are come from ADC instead pure digital bit stream....

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But need to careful when choosing onboard soundcard, digital/optical out should be perfect bit-matched, but what i saw most of the onboard sound digital signal can alter by using the sound effect/EQ setting,my onboard ALC850 are real example, so i highly doubted that the digital signal are come from ADC instead pure digital bit stream....
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I already stated modern, all the HD (read: non AC97 based) onboard are capable of bit perfect output on both digital and analog, unfortunately your ALC850 is not the new HD based one, its still AC97 based codec.

Its simple, just disable everything, on my Analog Device AD1988, I just enable digital out only and disable everything else on the driver control panel. Its quite clean, even cleaner than SB Live! SPDIF out, which just a bunch of hiss

What are you talking about ADC? The suond coming from PC is digital, not analog so it doesn't need to converted. The ADC is for recording analog sound like from your microphone. Looks like you need to read more about how PC sound works
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QUOTE(Najmods @ Apr 18 2008, 03:33 PM)
I already stated modern, all the HD (read: non AC97 based) onboard are capable of bit perfect output on both digital and analog, unfortunately your ALC850 is not the new HD based one, its still AC97 based codec.

Its simple, just disable everything, on my Analog Device AD1988, I just enable digital out only and disable everything else on the driver control panel. Its quite clean, even cleaner than SB Live! SPDIF out, which just a bunch of hiss

What are you talking about ADC? The suond coming from PC is digital, not analog so it doesn't need to converted. The ADC is for recording analog sound like from your microphone. Looks like you need to read more about how PC sound works
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lol...not read your thread clearly...sorry about that... tongue.gif notworthy.gif

about your last statement, i want to state that i know how PC sound works, i only misunderstood the digital out of my onboard sound was come from ADC because the EQ/sound effect setting of my soundcard control panel can alter the output, which make me thought the sound is DAC>>ADC>>digital...lol....big misunderstood....

BTW, thanks for your correction... notworthy.gif
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Btw, blessedvillain/coolkwc, did u all try the you pax driver for vista? Or izzit currently there's no any other driver tat can bring back the "loss details" on vista har??
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QUOTE(rsangel @ Apr 18 2008, 04:48 PM)
Cool down both... no war haha

Btw, blessedvillain/coolkwc, did u all try the you pax driver for vista? Or izzit currently there's no any other driver tat can bring back the "loss details" on vista har??
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Yap, i tried before, but i think the youpax driver(done by Daniel_K) i installed before only bring back the DTS/Dolby Digital features, i didn't notice any SQ improvement over Creative's driver...
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cool, here's my rmaa test. I actually don't know much about rmaa so i need your comment about it. let me know

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It's for xfi xtrememusic modified with lm4562 opamp. Plus 2200uf cap
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QUOTE(irwan6179 @ Apr 21 2008, 01:34 AM)
cool, here's my rmaa test. I actually don't know much about rmaa so i need your comment about it. let me know

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It's for xfi xtrememusic modified with lm4562 opamp. Plus 2200uf cap
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rclxms.gif thanks for ur test, i have waiting so long...but do u use XP now? since this test was done on Vista, what i saw was the frequency response got ripple after 2kHz, if can, do the test on XP will be good enough....

From ur test i noticed positive results of ur mod, really good, especially the THD and IMD+noise, 0.000X% compare to my 0.1XX%(although we really can't differentiate the THD<1%)...overall ur mod increase the SQ at least in terms of test figure rclxms.gif

BTW, ur test results convince me to mod the card...

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may i know what is this test for??
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this is just the objective test for the sound card, from the figure u will know how best your sound card is...but this one only objective test, real world subjective listening might not the same, depends on the taste of user...

sometime this test is use to test
1.whether the sound card achieve the parameter claimed by manufacturer.
2.to know the characteristic of the frequency curve.
3.to compare the sound card.
4.as a tool to know the results of mod.

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Just mod it, it'll be fun. There is more than RMAA result awaits....
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yo...using mod driver or official driver?

Which One Better

Now Downloading Modded One..Haven Try Yet!
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yo...using mod driver or official driver?

Which One Better

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anyone using xtreme music + ATP3 here? btw i'm using Vista... Having a hard time tuning 4 pop music... anybody help???

another question... can anybody tell me how to get the DTS / Dolby icon in Creative Console Entertainment??? i onli hv THX.

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How do i get back the nice interface in window XP X64? I am using Elite-pro.
Previously on 32bit XP, there is a nice interface.
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QUOTE(Deerc @ Apr 23 2008, 05:03 PM)
anyone using xtreme music + ATP3 here? btw i'm using Vista... Having a hard time tuning 4 pop music... anybody help???

another question... can anybody tell me how to get the DTS / Dolby icon in Creative Console Entertainment??? i onli hv THX.
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Having hard time tuning? Change your speaker, ATP3 not qualified to pair with X-Fi... sweat.gif

Seems like u didn't know what happen on Creative recently...Creative intentionally cripple the DTS/Dolby function in Vista, no way you can get the DTS/Dolby icon in Creative Console unless u are using Daniel_K mod driver..

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How do i get back the  nice interface  in window XP X64? I am using Elite-pro.
Previously on 32bit XP, there is a nice interface.
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to get back the 'nice interface' (actually call Creative Console Launcher), you need to install it from X-FI support CD, the driver downloaded from Creative Website only driver, not include that 'nice interface'...

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this is why i upgrade my atp3 to mx5021..to match with my X-Fi sound card.. laugh.gif
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this is why i upgrade my atp3 to mx5021..to match with my X-Fi sound card.. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(sucka3 @ Apr 24 2008, 08:13 PM)
...fatal1ty pro.... thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Apr 24 2008, 08:29 PM)
no matter how pro it also same as me...XtremeMusic...only fatal1ty pro got 64MB RAM onboard...
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Having hard time tuning? Change your speaker, ATP3 not qualified to pair with X-Fi... sweat.gif

Seems like u didn't know what happen on Creative recently...Creative intentionally cripple the DTS/Dolby function in Vista, no way you can get the DTS/Dolby icon in Creative Console unless u are using Daniel_K mod driver..

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Actually i googled bout the DTS/Dolby function in Vista. i knoe tht creative cripple it. i oso knoe tht it can be done in XP. but Daniel_K mod driver? which version? i found so many oledi.. ntg seemes to work... maybe later i change bk into XP haha.

Regarding the speaker... u r right... the sound produce r too clear for ATP3.. watin to go find a job n channge my speakers... keke ( juz graduated)
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QUOTE(songbo @ Apr 24 2008, 08:47 PM)
the diff is only the RAM and external i/o? but the price is so much diff...  shocking.gif
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yap...SQ are exactly the same...Creative is shit, put different name for the same main sound board, only bundle the Fatal1ty Pro, Champion series, Platinum, Gamer Fatal1ty with different I/O and 64M SDRAM and set the price high like sky... doh.gif Except for ElitePro using better DAC and opamps...

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QUOTE(Deerc @ Apr 24 2008, 08:50 PM)
Actually i googled bout the DTS/Dolby function in Vista. i knoe tht creative cripple it. i oso knoe tht it can be done in XP. but Daniel_K mod driver? which version? i found so many oledi.. ntg seemes to work... maybe later i change bk into XP haha.

Regarding the speaker... u r right... the sound produce r too clear for ATP3.. watin to go find a job n channge my speakers... keke ( juz graduated)
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About the Daniel_K driver, you will only find the DTS/Dolby function in Audio Console but the Creative Console Launcher still the same...actually you can find others solution in Creative Forum...I also not clear which version of modded driver is good, because i didn't use it at Vista, if i want DTS and Dolby i just go back to XP

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ya...notice that creative..uses name to scam us.. vmad.gif ....got addicted to the fatal1ty badge.. sweat.gif
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ya, another difference was all the 'high end naming' card got X-FI red LED logo on it... sweat.gif
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ya, another difference was all the 'high end naming' card got X-FI red LED logo on it... sweat.gif
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haha. i got only xtreme music cause low on funds. tempted wif the bling bling on fidelity n elite pro. brows.gif
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my casing got side window panel..can see the led light up.. laugh.gif ...but den again is pointless i dont stare at the casing always.. laugh.gif

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tempted with the LED? doh.gif U won't see it if you put your card in the casing or put your casing under the desk... sweat.gif
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true oso. so i thk i wont change to any creative sound cards in the time being. maybe an upgrade to old atp3 speakers... sweat.gif
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atp3 are solid speakers for its price..it served me well..until i feel it has reach its limit.. sweat.gif

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is there any creative usb external sound card?

Added on April 24, 2008, 9:16 pmi malas wan to find... hehe

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true oso. so i thk i wont change to any creative sound cards in the time being. maybe an upgrade to old atp3 speakers... sweat.gif
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is there any creative usb external sound card?

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is there any creative usb external sound card?

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izzit expensive?
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walao, u think to change the card before? due to what? LED or 'high end naming'?
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aiyo bro dun fire me la. thk jek. anyway no funds to change oso. tht time itchy hand and landed me this xtreme music. Nw wan to change speaker pula....
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not shoot u la, just advise you don't tempted with something useless...i can understand if u change because you want the I/O front panel...BTW, the XtremeMusic can upgrade the I/O panel if u want...
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http://asia.creative.com/products/product....t=10702&listby=

how much iz thiz?
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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Apr 24 2008, 09:24 PM)
not shoot u la, just  advise you don't tempted with something useless...i can understand if u change because you want the I/O front panel...BTW, the XtremeMusic can upgrade the I/O panel if u want...
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Audigy2 ZS RM430-450
Audigy2 NX RM420-430
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SB LIVE 5.1 External RM190-200
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actually i got my card frm bliz. quite a bargain i must say. btw its OEM i thk. 1 question to ask.. wht shows up in ur audio console the device ther? mine state Creative SB X-Fi. i tot it was suppose to be sumthin like sb0460 .?
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Creative SB X-Fi la...OEM? be careful u will shoot by Blitz, the card he selling were all Creative, not OEM...

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Creative SB X-Fi la...OEM? be careful shoot by Blitz, the card he selling were all Creative, not OEM...
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SB LIVE 5.1 External RM190-200... hmmm.. anybody ever use???? got diff arr if i compare using my lappy soundcard and SB LIVE 5.1 External? i use wif mx5021... is the diff far???
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SB LIVE 5.1 External RM190-200... hmmm.. anybody ever use???? got diff arr if i compare using my lappy soundcard and SB LIVE 5.1 External? i use wif mx5021... is the diff far???
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SB LIVE 5.1 External RM190-200... hmmm.. anybody ever use???? got diff arr if i compare using my lappy soundcard and SB LIVE 5.1 External? i use wif mx5021... is the diff far???
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found a sweet spot on my atp3 + xtreme music. some of the old mp3 songs.
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found a sweet spot on my atp3 + xtreme music. some of the old mp3 songs.
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hehe. i try to adjust all the equalizer bt cant seem to find a good one. so left it at flat. n turn on the crystalizer. sound ok for me on mp3 files.
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hehe. i try to adjust all the equalizer bt cant seem to find a good one. so left it at flat. n turn on the crystalizer. sound ok for me on mp3 files.
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you should change your speakers and get the best out of elitepro, then you will focus more on your audio/speakers instead of looking at your soundcard.. doh.gif rclxub.gif

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you should change your speakers and get the best out of elitepro, then you will focus more on your audio/speakers instead of looking at your soundcard.. doh.gif  rclxub.gif
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i think he is selling now...VS4121 + ElitePro, WTF... sweat.gif

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LOL'd..coolkwc...ur avatar... laugh.gif
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no others meaning...just 'Tak Nak Sound Pollution', lol... tongue.gif Maybe later i change to another 'down firing midrange speaker', i think you know the candidates brows.gif

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Apr 25 2008, 11:17 AM)
no others meaning...just 'Tak Nak Sound Pollution', lol... tongue.gif Maybe later i change to another 'down firing midrange speaker', i think you know the candidates brows.gif
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Lol, don't be so harsh on 4121's user la, bro brows.gif


Anyway, i got my X-Fi XtremeMusic(SB0460) modded with 1 x LM4562 + 3 x 1000uF Pana FM power filtering capacitors, the SQ never let me down though rolleyes.gif

At first i soldered 2200uF 16v Pana FM cap as the main power filtering and my card wasn't detected, then i tried 2200uF 25v Pana FM, same thing happened...

After that i saw a post in Head-Fi forum saying that the power regulator on SB0460 doesn't allow low-ESR power cap to be used and cut off the circuit on the board, in the end i tried 1000uF then everything is perfect rclxms.gif

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Jamicon 220uF/16v ---> Pana FM 1000uF/16v
Jamicon 100uF/16v ---> Pana FM 1000uF/16v X 2

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Almost fainted when my SC wasn't detected after trying the 2200uF/16v & 2200uF/25v doh.gif doh.gif
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Well done, although there are more mods you can do to improve it brows.gif

But you said 3x1000uF caps? That is a lot, considering there is only one caps for the DSP. What are the other two for?
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My hands were numb after the mod since my soldering skill isn't that great tongue.gif
Will try to mod the decoupling caps after i got bored with the current sound quality brows.gif

1 x 1000uF is for replacing the main power filtering cap...
The other 2 is just replacing the smaller value power filtering cap i guess since there're 2 x 100uF/16v power cap on the card...
Not so sure if both of the 100uF/16v caps is the power cap or not, please enlighten me...

I will try to post some pic if im able to... My friend also got his SB Audigy2ZS modded with 1 x 2200uF/16v + 2 x 1000uF/16v (Pana FM) and also LM4562MA opamp...

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Where are those 2x100uF caps located?

For the signal decoupling caps, you can remove and short them, it's not needed. If you concern get the same value but with higher grade like the your Pana FM's (BTW where you get these caps?)

There are other mods you should try, but only if you wanted more. I have the all the mods that you can possibly do
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Both of them between the port and XFi chip, 1 near the port and the other 1 near the chip while the main power cap on the other end of the chip...

I will try to get some pic ASAP biggrin.gif notworthy.gif

Got my caps from FARNELL, bank-in and then it was shipped.

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I see...I don't get where it located, do you mind see the number on the caps (e.g C77)? A picture might help
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wao, great to see another XtremeMusic modder... rclxms.gif
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wao, great to see another XtremeMusic modder... rclxms.gif
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How about you? Where's your mod wink.gif ?
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LOL, you still don't have the soldering iron, or lacking in components?

Well, I'm bored, so I make a dual to dual-single opamp adapter laugh.gif tongue.gif basically use one dual opamp to two single opamp sockets on my DAC. WOW, it sounds wonderful biggrin.gif
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Here it comes , "thanks" to my sis' noob handphone, quality of the pics sux like hell...
Please ignore the quality, focus on the caps brows.gif tongue.gif

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need to get the ingredient first....still doing research about the good cap...actually i want mod thoroughly, not only the few caps there...

@UNDERGROUND
The mod cost you how much?

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UNDERGROUND, both of the two other is a good hit. The far left (cap labelled C46) is the opamp +5V supply, while the other one (C16) is one of the DAC power. If you want better sound, you can supply more voltage to opamp (since the spec say so), but that is advanced mods
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issit that save to mod the soundcard ????..i mean noob like me can mod the soundcard by jus followin some guide?? icon_question.gif
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issit that save to mod the soundcard ????..i mean noob like me can mod the soundcard by jus followin some guide?? icon_question.gif
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Ur Fatal1ty is same as XtremeMusic, if you want you can just follow the mod...
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QUOTE(Najmods @ Apr 25 2008, 05:05 PM)
UNDERGROUND, both of the two other is a good hit. The far left (cap labelled C46) is the opamp +5V supply, while the other one (C16) is one of the DAC power. If you want better sound, you can supply more voltage to opamp (since the spec say so), but that is advanced mods
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You mean like replacing the 1000uF/16v to 1000uF/25v like that ?
If i change my main power filtering cap from 1000uF/16v to 25v, will the power regulator cut off the circuit like when i put 2200uF/16v on it ?

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issit that save to mod the soundcard ????..i mean noob like me can mod the soundcard by jus followin some guide?? icon_question.gif
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Well, at first i thought it was so dangerous and i do everything with cautious, but when my SC was undetected when i soldered the incompatible power cap on it, i got fed up and soldered the other caps without much care and rough handling, but in the end it worked out tongue.gif

My PCB board is kinda hurt now since i'd soldered so many time to test out the compatible cap... (stock,1000uF,2200uF,16v,25v)

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If its dangerous, you'll never see any soundcard mods rolleyes.gif

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You mean like replacing the 1000uF/16v to 1000uF/25v like that ?
If i change my main power filtering cap from 1000uF/16v to 25v, will the power regulator cut off the circuit like when i put 2200uF/16v on it ?
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No, you need to tap the power from somewhere else, changing the caps voltage won't do nothing. FYI, the power regulator voltage for CA20K DSP is only 1.21V laugh.gif The benefits of using higher voltage rating is lower ESR on same capacitance but the drawback that its bigger

Do you guys wonder why I know so much about X-Fi but I don't even have the card on hand.....?
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OPM - RM11.XX
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Wao, why ur Opamp damn cheap one? luckily i not buy the RM20+ yet...where you get it ah? and FARNELL is who?

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If its dangerous, you'll never see any soundcard mods rolleyes.gif

No, you need to tap the power from somewhere else, changing the caps voltage won't do nothing. FYI, the power regulator voltage for CA20K DSP is only 1.21V laugh.gif  The benefits of using higher voltage rating is lower ESR on same capacitance but the drawback that its bigger

Do you guys wonder why I know so much about X-Fi but I don't even have the card on hand.....?
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Actually i want to ask this question long time ago...Why?

That means i just keep the ori voltage rating for power cap and low ESR for filter cap is OK adi?

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hi najmod... do you know what the other 2 caps on the a2zs are for? sweat.gif me & underground just picked the largest value & most "power-supply-cap-look-alike" caps to swap with... since I kinda heard pana FM caps are superior in that.... I think I've heard that the left one is for opamp... but the right one... kinda far away from dac... could it be dac's power supply cap?

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You got bored with your "previous" XFi ? Or maybe it's jinx ? tongue.gif


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Wao, why ur Opamp damn cheap one? luckily i not buy the RM20+ yet...where you get it ah? and FARNELL is who?
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That, my friend is a mystery.....if you believe I have the card then maaybe I have..... brows.gif

Google will go a long way.....and lots of reading especially datasheets on components (opamp, voltage regulator, DAC etc.).

EDIT: I don't know anything on Audigy 2 ZS, I never see the card thoroughly so I don't know

Actuall, lots of components on A2ZS is similar to X-FI XtremeMusic, only the layout is different

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XTREME, I'll try to find is there anyone who done the mod on that card. From first look, looks like the capacitor you changed might not related to audio signal( the right one at least) I'll confirm this

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jeez..than i better dont touch... sweat.gif ..any major difference after mod?? hmm.gif
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The sound quality will drastically be better, depends on what kind of mod you perform. Seriously, if you have some skill using soldering iron you can do it
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jeez..than i better dont touch... sweat.gif ..any major difference after mod?? hmm.gif
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Well, being poisoned won't die, but very torture, because you will think for it everyday until you done the mod...well known poisoner in audiophile 1)Najmods 2)scy320... rclxm9.gif

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hmm...the risk im facin...a faulty soundcard...and a better soundcard... sweat.gif ...very risky indeed.. rclxub.gif
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If the card is still in warranty period then no point modding it except the owner got a lot of bullet to spare in his wallet...

Other than that, why not ? brows.gif

Poison poison...

To be honest, i doesn't mod the OPAMP myself, i took it to a handphone repair shop to do it for me since i don't trust my skill and my tools sux...
The capacitor is a lot easier than i thought smile.gif
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QUOTE(UNDERGROUND @ Apr 25 2008, 10:08 PM)
If the card is still in warranty period then no point modding it except the owner got a lot of bullet to spare in his wallet...

Other than that, why not ? brows.gif

Poison poison...

To be honest, i doesn't mod the OPAMP myself, i took it to a handphone repair shop to do it for me since i don't trust my skill and my tools sux...
The capacitor is a lot easier than i thought smile.gif
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rm200 xtrememusic cheap or expensive?
got heatsink version
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I think i need to wear the anti-toxic shield.. sweat.gif

How much the handphone shop charge you?
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Well, it's my luck

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rm200 xtrememusic cheap or expensive?
got heatsink version
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Non-heatsink batch though...
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I got my XFi for RM170  brows.gif
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can you post your RMAA test here? brows.gif
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I have no idea how to use the RMAA program, sorry bro =_="
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xtrememusic got new meh? i tot obsolete already
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I have no idea how to use the RMAA program, sorry bro =_="
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Ok thanks, I will buy the cable tomorrow.
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xtrememusic got new meh? i tot obsolete already
its 2nd hand
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i still can notice some of the old stocks in lowyat..try look around..... smile.gif

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i thk for RMAA test can go here Link


i oso gt my xtreme music for RM 170 + 10 for postage from bro blitz.
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QUOTE(Najmods @ Apr 25 2008, 08:52 PM)
XTREME, I'll try to find is there anyone who done the mod on that card. From first look, looks like the capacitor you changed might not related to audio signal( the right one at least) I'll confirm this
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wokeh thx notworthy.gif
googlin' didn't give me much info though... oni managed to locate the main filter cap.... unsure.gif



toxic, dun click... but I know you can't resist... lolz zzzz
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QUOTE(XTREME @ Apr 26 2008, 12:21 AM)
wokeh thx notworthy.gif
googlin' didn't give me much info though... oni managed to locate the main filter cap.... unsure.gif
toxic, dun click... but I know you can't resist... lolz  zzzz
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Actually that is the proper way to do the opamp removal and installation. I have other way to remove opamp though. I lack of tools too, and a very shaky hands, that doesn't stop me from modding
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Bought a cable but it was problematic, leakage happened... Damn that cable...
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Bought a cable but it was problematic, leakage happened... Damn that cable...
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must wait till sifus come. i oso duno. din do RMAA b4 juz google it
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Its hard to say, but you could disable the microphone +20dB boost if its available on Windows advanced volume control.

If you use XP, right click on sound icon on taskbar and select 'Open Volume Control'. Then click on 'Options' > 'Properties'. On this Windows, click 'Recording' and press OK. If the 'microphone' was selected, tick on 'line-in' and try RMAA again. If the setting is different, post the picture here
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don't worry, not your cable problem, almost all XtremeMusic detect interchannel leakage during RMAA test...just set to appropriate level to test it and post the results here...

you can refer my test results that i posted two months ago HERE

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Something's not right about the result doh.gif

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bro, can u post the windows of RMAA? i think something wrong in your setting...

Please mute and drag to 0dB for all channel in playback except master volume and wave

EDIT: And to test the highest quality you should set sampling rate to 96kHz and 24 bit..

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Something seriously wrong. Mind posting the recording level and spectrum before you test it?
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Bro, should mute the line in as shown below...your problem was due to unmute Line-in...
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And if can, go to download 6.06 version, your one too old adi...

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wan to ask sumthin. sumtimes my speaker no sound aft let it idle on a paused movie. need to restart onli gt music . anybody knoe y?
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wan to ask sumthin. sumtimes my speaker no sound aft let it idle on a paused movie. need to restart onli gt music . anybody knoe y?
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only when u paused movie? how bout music? I used to have this problem due to my corrupted codecs. reinstalling the codecs might solve this problem.
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only when u paused movie? how bout music? I used to have this problem due to my corrupted codecs. reinstalling the codecs might solve this problem.
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hey bro, still haven't get speaker to pair with your ElitePro? Your SC will feel alone since no one date with it...lol laugh.gif

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hey bro, still haven't get speaker to pair with your ElitePro? Your SC will feel alone since no one date with it...lol laugh.gif
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only when u paused movie? how bout music? I used to have this problem due to my corrupted codecs. reinstalling the codecs might solve this problem.
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can anyone explain wat does those readin above tells actually....i see it still dont undestand.. icon_question.gif doh.gif
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Well done, UNDERGROUND rclxms.gif
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Thanks dude, but my THD + Noise - GOOD...
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but i noticed an uneven noise and intermodulation distortion between left and right channel

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can anyone explain wat does those readin above tells actually....i see it still dont undestand.. icon_question.gif  doh.gif
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aiyo doh.gif google it la...HERE

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lol...read onli can understand now...sori for my noobness..really no idea in testin audio card quality.. notworthy.gif
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lol...read onli can understand now...sori for my noobness..really no idea in testin audio card quality.. notworthy.gif
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hi, do you guys have any good xtreme music eq setting ? care to share ?
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The setting depends on your speaker and your ears, you can't ask somebody to adjust the EQ for you without listening the speaker.
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hi, do you guys have any good xtreme music eq setting ? care to share ?
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I got this after i switched to Audio Creation Mode i guess doh.gif

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now the graph become balance in left/right channel...
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That's more like it. Could you try 16-bit/44.1kHz?
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That looks pretty good, but there is quite a lot of spikes on 100 to 1000Hz region. And there is a bump on 50Hz

My Prodigy HD2 exhibit the same problem on stereo crosstalk, anything above 2000Hz it started to rise up
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I not so sure if my settings are all correct, i tried 44.1kHz as the master sampling rate just now and i get EXCELLENT for the frequency response (+0.01, -0.07)
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Have you enabled 'Bit Matched playback' (I think that was it called)?
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Nope, it wasn't selected at default.
Should I enable it ? sweat.gif
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QUOTE(UNDERGROUND @ Apr 27 2008, 11:51 AM)
Nope, it wasn't selected at default.
Should I enable it ? sweat.gif
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You should try it
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QUOTE(UNDERGROUND @ Apr 27 2008, 11:51 AM)
Nope, it wasn't selected at default.
Should I enable it ? sweat.gif
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yes, you should enable it...and turn off the EAX also...
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Actually your graph were consider good already...the curve neat and even...

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Tried Bit-Matched, not much differences though...
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QUOTE(UNDERGROUND @ Apr 27 2008, 12:41 PM)
Tried Bit-Matched, not much differences though...
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I wonder if those spikes between 100 and 1000 Hz are caused by the cable or it's the XFi ?
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QUOTE(UNDERGROUND @ Apr 27 2008, 01:03 PM)
I wonder if those spikes between 100 and 1000 Hz are caused by the cable or it's the XFi ?
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Have you tested your card before the mod? I think its more related to card than the cable
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Nope, i don't even know what is RMAA when i bought the card sweat.gif

If i chose "What You Hear" and run RMAA, the results came out perfect, what is the diff of choosing Line-In & What You Hear ?
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QUOTE(UNDERGROUND @ Apr 27 2008, 01:06 PM)
Nope, i don't even know what is RMAA when i bought the card sweat.gif

If i chose "What You Hear" and run RMAA, the results came out perfect, what is the diff of choosing Line-In & What You Hear ?
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'What u hear' take digital data before DAC, this test can show how the card perform internally....line-in was taken data from DAC+opamps and ADC again, to test how well the DAC and opamps were...
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I think the 'What You Hear' is the loopback internally without using cables, that is why its perfect, I can do something similar with my HD2 using DirectWire

Don't worry about the spikes, as long as it sounds great you should be fine. If you concern then check your card physically
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guys... any leaked news on X-FI 2? not that i'm interested in buying any of the future soundcards from creative, but it's nice to see what kind of x-fi2 marketing "gimmick" from them...
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QUOTE(blessedvillain @ Apr 28 2008, 12:34 AM)
guys... any leaked news on X-FI 2? not that i'm interested in buying any of the future soundcards from creative, but it's nice to see what kind of x-fi2 marketing "gimmick" from them...
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wow.. new creative soundcards named x-fi 2 ar?
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QUOTE(blessedvillain @ Apr 28 2008, 12:34 AM)
guys... any leaked news on X-FI 2? not that i'm interested in buying any of the future soundcards from creative, but it's nice to see what kind of x-fi2 marketing "gimmick" from them...
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Ya, I'm waiting for new generation of Creative's sound card too !
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1 more, X-FI surround 5.1...
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can i ask sumthin... my xtreme music non heatsink version. should i add a heatsink?
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QUOTE(Deerc @ Apr 28 2008, 04:08 PM)
can i ask sumthin... my xtreme music non heatsink version. should i add a heatsink?
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if you didn't experience any system hang, then no problem...

My XtremeMusic got heatsink, but my X-FI sandwich between two TV cards which at top and below, and i experience a lot of system hang, after a few days of troubleshoot, i certified sound card overheat sweat.gif problem solved after i add one 8cm fan to blow that 3 cards...

So, actually the heatsink is useless if no air flow... nod.gif

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Apr 28 2008, 04:20 PM)
if you didn't experience any system hang, then no problem...

My XtremeMusic got heatsink, but my X-FI sandwich between two TV cards which at top and below, and i experience system hang if i watch TV, sound card overheat sweat.gif problem solved after i add one 8cm fan to blow that 3 cards...

So, actually the heatsink is useless if no air flow... nod.gif
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ok thx bro. nw nt yet hang la. juz asking. if hang will buy a big fan blow. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Deerc @ Apr 28 2008, 04:22 PM)
ok thx bro. nw nt yet hang la. juz asking. if hang will buy a big fan blow. laugh.gif
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nola, if your PCI slot only got X-FI alone, it won't overheat one...
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ic ic. thn nonid worry lo. tot it will overheat. cause i 24/7 open pc de.

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as my com in an aircond room....nvr face any heat issue b4.. sweat.gif

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QUOTE(Deerc @ Apr 28 2008, 04:42 PM)
ic ic. thn nonid worry lo. tot it will overheat. cause i 24/7 open pc de.
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But you doesn't switch on your music 24/7 mah, never mind la...
My XFi i put CM BlueIce's heatsink on it, well i polished the surface of the heatsink for greater heat transfer rate, but i guess it doesn't matter also la biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Deerc @ Apr 28 2008, 04:42 PM)
ic ic. thn nonid worry lo. tot it will overheat. cause i 24/7 open pc de.
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If the speaker volume not too high, your sound card will not overhead although you listening songs, watching movie or gaming 24/7.
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QUOTE(Faint @ Apr 28 2008, 05:37 PM)
If the speaker volume not too high, your sound card will not overhead although you listening songs, watching movie or gaming 24/7.
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lol, what relate the volume speaker to sound card heat? now the overheat problem is from DSP, not opamps... sweat.gif
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volume speaker high nt burn the speaker 1st meh?
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QUOTE(Deerc @ Apr 28 2008, 05:54 PM)
volume speaker high nt burn the speaker 1st meh?
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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Apr 28 2008, 05:41 PM)
lol, what relate the volume speaker to sound card heat? now the overheat problem is from DSP, not opamps... sweat.gif
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I tested before my ZS dead.
I using TT player to listen songs, MX volume at 1.5 - 2 star. After 2 hours, i touch my ZS chipset and the temperature is normal. Then I set my speaker volume to 3.5 - 4. After 30minutes, my ZS chipset temperature changed from normal to hot.

This was my experience during few months ago, i miss my ZS very much...lo
and sorry for my poor English grammar, I will try to use proper English sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Faint @ Apr 28 2008, 05:57 PM)
I tested before my ZS dead.
I using TT player to listen songs, MX volume at 1.5 - 2 star. After 2 hours, i touch my ZS chipset and the temperature is normal. Then I set my speaker volume to 3.5 - 4. After 30minutes, my ZS chipset temperature changed from normal to hot.

This was my experience during few months ago, i miss my ZS very much...lo
and sorry for my poor English grammar, I will try to use proper English  sweat.gif
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i think your ZS was abnormal...thats why it dead eventually...
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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Apr 28 2008, 06:01 PM)
i think your ZS was abnormal...thats why it dead eventually...
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