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post Oct 16 2016, 11:55 PM, updated 3y ago

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Network IP or analog cameras?

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Wired or Wireless?

Wired camera = HD analog camera or wired type network IP camera.
Wireless camera = Most likely network IP camera.
To simplify the question, let’s assume it’s wired HD analog camera vs wireless IP camera.

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HD-CVI, HD-TVI or AHD?

If you’ve finally decided to go for HD analog cameras, but there are so many varieties in the market. Even I mentioned that there are 3 mainstream HD analog technologies in the industry, namely HD-CVI, HD-TVI and AHD. Know your technologies, then decide on your own which one you should bank your investment in.

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What is a 4-in-1 camera?
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Any other factors that I should be informed when deciding which camera to buy?
Indoor vs Outdoor
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There’s 4-in-1 camera, how about a 4-in-1 recorder?
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QUOTE(Cold|Drawn @ Oct 17 2016, 12:25 AM)
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QUOTE(cute_miao @ Oct 18 2016, 12:38 AM)
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It looks like a Hikvision system.
Is that 13MP camera? For a TVI system?
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QUOTE(alexander3133 @ Oct 18 2016, 07:10 AM)
It looks like a Hikvision system.
Is that 13MP camera? For a TVI system?
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thanks for the reply.

that guy did not informed me about it (he is the same guy who will soon help me to install wiring and he is doing cctv n alarm as well). he just said its japanese brand.

can you enlighten me the cctv and alarm things to beware with?


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QUOTE(cute_miao @ Oct 18 2016, 08:04 AM)
thanks for the reply.

that guy did not informed me about it (he is the same guy who will soon help me to install wiring and he is doing cctv n alarm as well). he just said its japanese brand.

can you enlighten me the cctv and alarm things to beware with?
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It is better for you to get the detail specifications of the CCTV system from your alarm guy.
You can refer to the topic starter's well covered 1st post for CCTV to understand the things you have to be aware of.
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QUOTE(alexander3133 @ Oct 18 2016, 08:25 AM)
It is better for you to get the detail specifications of the CCTV system from your alarm guy.
You can refer to the topic starter's well covered 1st post for CCTV to understand the things you have to be aware of.
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the list which he provide is not the specification bro??
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QUOTE(cute_miao @ Oct 18 2016, 08:32 AM)
the list which he provide is not the specification bro??
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The list for CCTV only state what model is the recorder and the camera, not even mentioned the brand.
Detail specification like at what framerate and resolution the video recorder can record, what is the field of view and the minimum illumination of the camera, and etc.

Below is the detail specification of recorder and camera from Hikvision, for your reference, I hope you can read Chinese.
Recorder: http://www1.hikvision.com/cn/prgs_856_i4794.html
Camera: http://www1.hikvision.com/cn/prgs_750_i5944.html

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QUOTE(cute_miao @ Oct 18 2016, 08:04 AM)
thanks for the reply.

that guy did not informed me about it (he is the same guy who will soon help me to install wiring and he is doing cctv n alarm as well). he just said its japanese brand.

can you enlighten me the cctv and alarm things to beware with?
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Also, request your alarm guy to give you surveillance hard disk.
I am not aware of Toshiba has Surveillance hard disk, refer to 1st post on Surveillance Hard disk.
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QUOTE(alexander3133 @ Oct 18 2016, 09:09 AM)
Also, request your alarm guy to give you surveillance hard disk.
I am not aware of Toshiba has Surveillance hard disk, refer to 1st post on Surveillance Hard disk.
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I was informed thebranc is d-code alarm system
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QUOTE(cute_miao @ Oct 18 2016, 12:38 AM)
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If you're going for Paradox alarm system, it will be around RM2800 - RM3000. That's considered quite a good price for total of 25 points. Anyway, well... Paradox brand itself is already among the higher end already. Many here can vouch for paradox, a lot have installed and the reliability is there.

I'm not so familiar with dtec alarm though...

Camera as alexander says it's HikVision, brand wise it's ok, resolution wise 1.3mp also it's ok, try ask for surveillance HDD, as far as I am concerned Toshiba does not produce Surveillance HDD. In fact, Toshiba is among the cheaper HDD available in the market.

Other than that, price is ok. Remember to ask him hardware warranty how long, and also service warranty how long.
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QUOTE(Cold|Drawn @ Oct 18 2016, 11:07 AM)
If you're going for Paradox alarm system, it will be around RM2800 - RM3000. That's considered quite a good price for total of 25 points. Anyway, well... Paradox brand itself is already among the higher end already. Many here can vouch for paradox, a lot have installed and the reliability is there.

I'm not so familiar with dtec alarm though...

Camera as alexander says it's HikVision, brand wise it's ok, resolution wise 1.3mp also it's ok, try ask for surveillance HDD, as far as I am concerned Toshiba does not produce Surveillance HDD. In fact, Toshiba is among the cheaper HDD available in the market.

Other than that, price is ok. Remember to ask him hardware warranty how long, and also service warranty how long.
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QUOTE(Cold|Drawn @ Oct 18 2016, 11:07 AM)
If you're going for Paradox alarm system, it will be around RM2800 - RM3000. That's considered quite a good price for total of 25 points. Anyway, well... Paradox brand itself is already among the higher end already. Many here can vouch for paradox, a lot have installed and the reliability is there.

I'm not so familiar with dtec alarm though...

Camera as alexander says it's HikVision, brand wise it's ok, resolution wise 1.3mp also it's ok, try ask for surveillance HDD, as far as I am concerned Toshiba does not produce Surveillance HDD. In fact, Toshiba is among the cheaper HDD available in the market.

Other than that, price is ok. Remember to ask him hardware warranty how long, and also service warranty how long.
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Get info from the instsller


Alarm: DCODE/ 7100 model
Cctv camera: HIKVISION/ HD720P IR Bullet Camera DS-2CE16C0T-IR
Hard Drive: HIKVISION/ Turbo HD DVR DS-7200HQHI-F1 series

Should i proceed?.?

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QUOTE(cute_miao @ Oct 19 2016, 10:04 AM)
Get info from the instsller
Alarm: DCODE/ 7100 model
Cctv camera: HIKVISION/ HD720P IR Bullet Camera DS-2CE16C0T-IR
Hard Drive: HIKVISION/ Turbo HD DVR DS-7200HQHI-F1 series

Should i proceed?.?

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No comment on alarm system as I am not familiar.

CCTV Camera: DS-2CE16C0T-IR
http://overseas.hikvision.com/en/Products_..._176_i5681.html
This one is a 1.0 MP camera, different than what is being written on the paper that you posted earlier.
Can select 3 types of viewing angles or lens, if you want the camera to capture widest angle, then choose 2.8mm lens.
The camera able to provide 720P resolution @ 25fps (real time)

CCTV Recorder: DS-7204HQHI-F1/N
http://www.hikvision.com/EN/Products_acces..._364_i5791.html
Should be the 7204 model since it is written on the paper and have 4 cameras.
This recorder able to record video at 720P resolution @ 25fps (real time), so it looks alright.

Hard disk wise, try to ask them to provide you surveillance hard disk like Western Digital Purple or Seagate Surveillance hard disk.

I am not sure what requirements you want for a CCTV system and also how you want to use it for, so I can't comment further.

If you are happy with the camera resolution and it fits your budget, then this CCTV system is alright for you.
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QUOTE(alexander3133 @ Oct 19 2016, 10:26 AM)
No comment on alarm system as I am not familiar.

CCTV Camera: DS-2CE16C0T-IR
http://overseas.hikvision.com/en/Products_..._176_i5681.html
This one is a 1.0 MP camera, different than what is being written on the paper that you posted earlier.
Can select 3 types of viewing angles or lens, if you want the camera to capture widest angle, then choose 2.8mm lens.
The camera able to provide 720P resolution @ 25fps (real time)

CCTV Recorder: DS-7204HQHI-F1/N
http://www.hikvision.com/EN/Products_acces..._364_i5791.html
Should be the 7204 model since it is written on the paper and have 4 cameras.
This recorder able to record video at 720P resolution @ 25fps (real time), so it looks alright.

Hard disk wise, try to ask them to provide you surveillance hard disk like Western Digital Purple or Seagate Surveillance hard disk.

I am not sure what requirements you want for a CCTV system and also how you want to use it for, so I can't comment further.

If you are happy with the camera resolution and it fits your budget, then this CCTV system is alright for you.
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Its a normal hard disc not surveillance hard disc. Whts the negative part of it??

I prefer i can also view n control via my hp since i am outstation most of the time
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QUOTE(alexander3133 @ Oct 19 2016, 10:26 AM)
No comment on alarm system as I am not familiar.

CCTV Camera: DS-2CE16C0T-IR
http://overseas.hikvision.com/en/Products_..._176_i5681.html
This one is a 1.0 MP camera, different than what is being written on the paper that you posted earlier.
Can select 3 types of viewing angles or lens, if you want the camera to capture widest angle, then choose 2.8mm lens.
The camera able to provide 720P resolution @ 25fps (real time)

CCTV Recorder: DS-7204HQHI-F1/N
http://www.hikvision.com/EN/Products_acces..._364_i5791.html
Should be the 7204 model since it is written on the paper and have 4 cameras.
This recorder able to record video at 720P resolution @ 25fps (real time), so it looks alright.

Hard disk wise, try to ask them to provide you surveillance hard disk like Western Digital Purple or Seagate Surveillance hard disk.

I am not sure what requirements you want for a CCTV system and also how you want to use it for, so I can't comment further.

If you are happy with the camera resolution and it fits your budget, then this CCTV system is alright for you.
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Its 1.3... got a dot in btwn..
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QUOTE(cute_miao @ Oct 19 2016, 10:52 AM)
Its a normal hard disc not surveillance hard disc. Whts the negative part of it??

I prefer i can also view n control via my hp since i am outstation most of the time
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For the hard disk, surveillance hard disk are designed specially for CCTV use, as the hard disk will be written with data 24/7 most of the time,and designed to withstand high shock resistance. Normal hard disk are not designed for such 24/7 data writing usage, although you can still use normal hard disk on CCTV system with no harm, just that normal hard disk might not able to last as long as surveillance type hard disk.

For remote control and view, I think the Hikvision recorder is able to achieve this, but you need to set it up or ask someone with the knowledge to set it up for you.
You might need these things:
1. Network cable connect to your router with internet connection.
2. Configure your router to port forward those ports for remote control and viewing.
3. Have a DDNS (Dynamic DNS) account to tackle random IP assignment problem from your ISP, make sure your router has support on the DDNS service that you have chosen.
4. Configure the DDNS account on your router and make sure it works.
5. If your ISP gave you private IP address, you must request for public IP address, or else you won't be able to do access your CCTV from outside.
6. Get the Hikvision mobile app from Google Play Store or Apple App Store, the name is "iVMS 4500".
7. Configure the app and point to the DDNS account you have registered.
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QUOTE(cute_miao @ Oct 19 2016, 10:59 AM)
Its 1.3... got a dot in btwn..
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Yes, paper wrote 1.3MP but the camera looks like it is a 1.0MP one, but it will work fine still.
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hi, i'm using YI home camera (http://www.yitechnology.com/homecamera/index/id/1.html) and install/using their official app for monitoring. i have been using quite some times, but recently my android phone detected it is a harmful app, anyone encounter this before on YI home or any other cctv app?

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There's a recent fiasco in the world of IoT where security cameras are hacked and infected with Mirai botnet malware to bring down the Dyn server. The cause has brought down several sites like twitter and reddit. Probably google is being very particular regarding on the app to protect potential malware being spread to smartphones?
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Thank you for sharing such nice info about CCTV cameras. But most of the time people don't consider of the important things.
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The articles in this thread is super informative! Thanks a lot!

Anyone having wifi connected system for their cameras to provide their comments and feedback? As now days, we use so much wireless and less cables, I am thinking to get some wireless cameras at home instead of the wired ones.

I am looking at this Hikvision wireless camera set from taobao. Wireless camera + wireless receivers.. Any humble comments? smile.gif

https://detail.tmall.com/item.htm?id=524452...d=3121208796647
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QUOTE(longpants @ Nov 19 2016, 11:27 PM)
The articles in this thread is super informative! Thanks a lot!

Anyone having wifi connected system for their cameras to provide their comments and feedback? As now days, we use so much wireless and less cables, I am thinking to get some wireless cameras at home instead of the wired ones.

I am looking at this Hikvision wireless camera set from taobao. Wireless camera + wireless receivers.. Any humble comments? smile.gif

https://detail.tmall.com/item.htm?id=524452...d=3121208796647
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NVR: http://www1.hikvision.com/cn/prgs_679_i4418.html
Camera: http://www1.hikvision.com/cn/prgs_191_i7025.html

Although is wireless, you will still need to provide power point at the location of the camera.

The NVR specification stated that the total max recording bandwidth is 25 Mbps.
The camera, each can supply max of 8 Mbps, 4 of them will be 32 Mbps, which exceed the total max bandwidth of the NVR.
You might need to cap the max bandwidth for each camera to 6 Mbps, should be available in the settings inside NVR.

Tip #1: Avoid bundle hard disk together, reason is chances are the hard disk might suffer damage during shipping from China to Malaysia. You can get the surveillance hard disk like Western Digital Purple in Malaysia, and then install the hard disk yourself.

Tip #2: Since you planned to get the whole set of CCTV solution from China, your parcel might subject to GST, since the total amount of the parcel import is more than RM 500.
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QUOTE(alexander3133 @ Nov 20 2016, 07:04 AM)
NVR: http://www1.hikvision.com/cn/prgs_679_i4418.html
Camera: http://www1.hikvision.com/cn/prgs_191_i7025.html

Although is wireless, you will still need to provide power point at the location of the camera.

The NVR specification stated that the total max recording bandwidth is 25 Mbps.
The camera, each can supply max of 8 Mbps, 4 of them will be 32 Mbps, which exceed the total max bandwidth of the NVR.
You might need to cap the max bandwidth for each camera to 6 Mbps, should be available in the settings inside NVR.

Tip #1: Avoid bundle hard disk together, reason is chances are the hard disk might suffer damage during shipping from China to Malaysia. You can get the surveillance hard disk like Western Digital Purple in Malaysia, and then install the hard disk yourself.

Tip #2: Since you planned to get the whole set of CCTV solution from China, your parcel might subject to GST, since the total amount of the parcel import is more than RM 500.
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Thanks for the tips. Really really helpful! rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

I am fine with power points because the house have power points that can be extended. But if connect straight to the recorder thingy, it will be hassle for me.

Haven't thought about Tip#2 though. I read some where that any wireless items requires SIRIM and all. >.< I hope so agents such as EZBUY can help sort this out though.
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QUOTE(longpants @ Nov 20 2016, 11:05 PM)
Thanks for the tips. Really really helpful! rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif

I am fine with power points because the house have power points that can be extended. But if connect straight to the recorder thingy, it will be hassle for me.

Haven't thought about Tip#2 though. I read some where that any wireless items requires SIRIM and all. >.< I hope so agents such as EZBUY can help sort this out though.
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If you are buying from China, especially any electronics with software required.

In your case, IP cameras will have its own user interface, you'll need to login to the IP camera and do some basic settings, such as:

1. IP configuration
2. Motion, or continuous recording setting
3. Memory card formatting (there should be a setting in the UI as well)
4. Encoding setting for resolution and frame rate

Most likely, China products do not come with English firmware, unless you're comfortable with Chinese firmware, then please take note. Hmm, also there's a way that could possibly update the firmware from Chinese to English but it comes with great learning curve and lots of time as well. Not to mention that there's always a risk in cross updating different firmware language. Worse to worst, you might end up with some gibberish language mixed up.
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QUOTE(Cold|Drawn @ Nov 21 2016, 04:25 PM)
If you are buying from China, especially any electronics with software required.

In your case, IP cameras will have its own user interface, you'll need to login to the IP camera and do some basic settings, such as:

1. IP configuration
2. Motion, or continuous recording setting
3. Memory card formatting (there should be a setting in the UI as well)
4. Encoding setting for resolution and frame rate

Most likely, China products do not come with English firmware, unless you're comfortable with Chinese firmware, then please take note. Hmm, also there's a way that could possibly update the firmware from Chinese to English but it comes with great learning curve and lots of time as well. Not to mention that there's always a risk in cross updating different firmware language. Worse to worst, you might end up with some gibberish language mixed up.
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I went to read up the menu available in the Hikvision website. It says it supports English for web interface

Under the web interface for IP configuration, the manuals says that the below. So i believe it is available in English. Perhaps someone using hikvision can confirm on this.
目前 WEB 控件支持简体中文、英文两种语言。

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QUOTE(longpants @ Nov 21 2016, 09:59 PM)
I went to read up the menu available in the Hikvision website. It says it supports English for web interface

Under the web interface for IP configuration, the manuals says that the below. So i believe it is available in English. Perhaps someone using hikvision can confirm on this.
目前 WEB 控件支持简体中文、英文两种语言。
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Hmm, from what I remember the firmware usually comes exclusive. Yes, the device does support both languages. However, when shipped to their dealers, in order to protect all dealers, manufacturers prepare chinese language for china market and english for overseas. Therefore, Chinese dealers won't be able to disrupt overseas market.

It's best if you can confirm with the seller in China, don't refer based on their website. It's not wrong to announce that their devices support both languages, but which language firmware are you getting?

Better be safe than sorry. rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(Cold|Drawn @ Nov 22 2016, 01:20 AM)
Hmm, from what I remember the firmware usually comes exclusive. Yes, the device does support both languages. However, when shipped to their dealers, in order to protect all dealers, manufacturers prepare chinese language for china market and english for overseas. Therefore, Chinese dealers won't be able to disrupt overseas market.

It's best if you can confirm with the seller in China, don't refer based on their website. It's not wrong to announce that their devices support both languages, but which language firmware are you getting?

Better be safe than sorry.  rclxms.gif
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Haven't get any of the above yet. Only bought two EZVIZ C2C from taobao through ezbuy but still haven't leave China yet. Wanted to try out and see first then only decide where to go next. I will ask the seller before purchasing though to confirm whether it supports english.
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QUOTE(longpants @ Nov 22 2016, 10:34 AM)
Haven't get any of the above yet. Only bought two EZVIZ C2C from taobao through ezbuy but still haven't leave China yet. Wanted to try out and see first then only decide where to go next. I will ask the seller before purchasing though to confirm whether it supports english.
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You bought the EZVIZ C2C from China, but I am not sure if you can successfully register for account on ys7.com for remote viewing, because to create account on ys7.com, you will be required to have cellphone number from China, as far as I know of.

I am not sure if registering an account on ezvizlife.com will work or not, but you can try.
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QUOTE(longpants @ Nov 22 2016, 10:34 AM)
Haven't get any of the above yet. Only bought two EZVIZ C2C from taobao through ezbuy but still haven't leave China yet. Wanted to try out and see first then only decide where to go next. I will ask the seller before purchasing though to confirm whether it supports english.
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Better return the ipcam.EZVIZ China can never been used here.
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You bought the EZVIZ C2C from China, but I am not sure if you can successfully register for account on ys7.com for remote viewing, because to create account on ys7.com, you will be required to have cellphone number from China, as far as I know of.

I am not sure if registering an account on ezvizlife.com will work or not, but you can try.
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QUOTE(henryj8 @ Nov 22 2016, 09:32 PM)
Better return the ipcam.EZVIZ China can never been used here.
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With the assumption I can register an account on ezvizlife.com, I thought it would be able to use for Ezviz china version. sad.gif
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With the assumption I can register an account on ezvizlife.com, I thought it would be able to use for Ezviz china version. sad.gif
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OK. Ezviz China is for China market only. You need China phone number to register. Even if you manage to register, it can only view for a while then it will blackout. Since it is a P2P ipcam, when blackout it will become a brick. Dahwa P2P IPCam also same.
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QUOTE(henryj8 @ Nov 22 2016, 10:53 PM)
OK. Ezviz China is for China market only. You need China phone number to register. Even if you manage to register, it can only view for a while then it will blackout. Since it is a P2P ipcam, when blackout it will become a brick. Dahwa P2P IPCam also same.
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Something new everyday, learn the operations of an alternative brand today! smile.gif
So for EZVIZ, they control their products via the P2P availability out of China...
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Something new everyday, learn the operations of an alternative brand today! smile.gif
So for EZVIZ, they control their products via the P2P availability out of China...
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Even EZVIZ remote viewing service also get embedded in almost all recent Hikvision XVR and NVR.
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Asking the thread starter for some advice. No budget restraints but no need to go over the top. Got dogs around to help out. New build so wiring also not a problem. Which system would you recommend if:

1) Outdoor monitoring only.
2) 4-6 cameras.
3) Say keep the video for 48 hours then rewipe.
4) Hopefully can view the video from TV channel. Say channel 13-17.
5) Night vision or at least low light.
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QUOTE(Two5Kid @ Dec 1 2016, 10:10 PM)
Asking the thread starter for some advice. No budget restraints but no need to go over the top. Got dogs around to help out. New build so wiring also not a problem. Which system would you recommend if:

1) Outdoor monitoring only.
2) 4-6 cameras.
3) Say keep the video for 48 hours then rewipe.
4) Hopefully can view the video from TV channel. Say channel 13-17.
5) Night vision or at least low light.
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1. Outdoor Monitoring, you need weatherproof camera
2. 4 - 6 cameras? 4 cameras, use 4ch DVR, if 6 cams, hv to use 8ch DVR
3. Put 1 1TB HDD, record 24hrs, FullHD 6Cams, can keep up to 1week and DVR will overwrite for you automatically
4. use HDMI, switch source/input on TV to connected HDMI Input
5. Now night vision is standard, Full HD Camera even got color at night.
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Need help guys, read the info but too technical for me.

Basically I bought a wireless system for rm1k however guy said need to change battery every 6months or so. So the wired alarm is better but cost me rm2k with extra keypad and without windows detector. Is it a fair price? Booked during expo.

The CCTV would cost another rm2k!

Wondering if I should just get wireless ip camera as I only need 2 and power point is ready. Attached Image Attached Image
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QUOTE(idealhometech @ Dec 2 2016, 12:16 AM)
1. Outdoor Monitoring, you need weatherproof camera
2. 4 - 6 cameras? 4 cameras, use 4ch DVR, if 6 cams, hv to use 8ch DVR
3. Put 1 1TB HDD, record 24hrs, FullHD 6Cams, can keep up to 1week and DVR will overwrite for you automatically
4. use HDMI, switch source/input on TV to connected HDMI Input
5. Now night vision is standard, Full HD Camera even got color at night.
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Oh, maybe I need to be specific. Which brand or system do you recommend?
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QUOTE(Two5Kid @ Dec 1 2016, 10:10 PM)
Asking the thread starter for some advice. No budget restraints but no need to go over the top. Got dogs around to help out. New build so wiring also not a problem. Which system would you recommend if:

1) Outdoor monitoring only.
2) 4-6 cameras.
3) Say keep the video for 48 hours then rewipe.
4) Hopefully can view the video from TV channel. Say channel 13-17.
5) Night vision or at least low light.
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My recommendation
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Hikvision China Set
NVR: DS-7608N-K2/8P (Supports up to 8 network cameras with PoE)
Network Camera: DS-2CD3T26WD-I3 (IP67 Protection and Minimum Illuminance of 0.002 Lux)

Hikvision English Set
NVR: DS-7608NI-K2/8P (Supports up to 8 network cameras with PoE)
Network Camera: DS-2CD2T22WD-I3 (IP67 Protection and Minimum Illuminance of 0.01 Lux)

1TB of hard drive is enough for your need, can store up to 48 hours from six 2MP 25fps camera at 5120kbps bit rate.
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My recommendation
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Hikvision China Set
NVR: DS-7608N-K2/8P (Supports up to 8 network cameras with PoE)
Network Camera: DS-2CD3T26WD-I3 (IP67 Protection and Minimum Illuminance of 0.002 Lux)

Hikvision English Set
NVR:  DS-7608NI-K2/8P (Supports up to 8 network cameras with PoE)
Network Camera: DS-2CD2T22WD-I3 (IP67 Protection and Minimum Illuminance of 0.01 Lux)

1TB of hard drive is enough for your need, can store up to 48 hours from six 2MP 25fps camera at 5120kbps bit rate.
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Again, china set of CCTV only support CHINESE!!!
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Again, china set of CCTV only support CHINESE!!!
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Yes, I am fully aware of that.
The China set only came with Chinese user interface and Chinese language.
That is why I included the English set on my recommendation also.
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Hikvision HD-TVI is good...
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QUOTE(earthling1984 @ Dec 2 2016, 01:09 AM)
Need help guys, read the info but too technical for me.

Basically I bought a wireless system for rm1k however guy said need to change battery every 6months or so. So the wired alarm is better but cost me rm2k with extra keypad and without windows detector. Is it a fair price? Booked during expo.

The CCTV would cost another rm2k!

Wondering if I should just get wireless ip camera as I only need 2 and power point is ready. Attached Image Attached Image
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Hi, the Alarm price ok, reasonable.
But for CCTV, 2 Cameras RM2k??
Our price is 4Cameras 2k, some more using Cynics HDTVI FullHD. Not AHD which is the lowest quality among all technology.
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Oh, maybe I need to be specific. Which brand or system do you recommend?
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We carry Cynics, HIKVision, Dahua brand.
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QUOTE(idealhometech @ Dec 3 2016, 03:34 PM)
Hi, the Alarm price ok, reasonable.
But for CCTV, 2 Cameras RM2k??
Our price is 4Cameras 2k, some more using Cynics HDTVI FullHD. Not AHD which is the lowest quality among all technology.
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Ok. If I just ask him install alarm and you install CCTV, is it compatible or it's 2 diff system?
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QUOTE(alexander3133 @ Dec 2 2016, 06:42 PM)
My recommendation
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Hikvision China Set
NVR: DS-7608N-K2/8P (Supports up to 8 network cameras with PoE)
Network Camera: DS-2CD3T26WD-I3 (IP67 Protection and Minimum Illuminance of 0.002 Lux)

Hikvision English Set
NVR:  DS-7608NI-K2/8P (Supports up to 8 network cameras with PoE)
Network Camera: DS-2CD2T22WD-I3 (IP67 Protection and Minimum Illuminance of 0.01 Lux)

1TB of hard drive is enough for your need, can store up to 48 hours from six 2MP 25fps camera at 5120kbps bit rate.
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Thanks. No worries. I'm bilingual.
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QUOTE(earthling1984 @ Dec 3 2016, 11:55 PM)
Ok. If I just ask him install alarm and you install CCTV, is it compatible or it's 2 diff system?
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Can, why not. Alarm and CCTV separate system. no link.
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QUOTE(alexander3133 @ Dec 2 2016, 06:42 PM)
My recommendation
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Hikvision China Set
NVR: DS-7608N-K2/8P (Supports up to 8 network cameras with PoE)
Network Camera: DS-2CD3T26WD-I3 (IP67 Protection and Minimum Illuminance of 0.002 Lux)

Hikvision English Set
NVR:  DS-7608NI-K2/8P (Supports up to 8 network cameras with PoE)
Network Camera: DS-2CD2T22WD-I3 (IP67 Protection and Minimum Illuminance of 0.01 Lux)

1TB of hard drive is enough for your need, can store up to 48 hours from six 2MP 25fps camera at 5120kbps bit rate.
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Any idea where to get Hikvision English set?
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I believe bro IdealHomeTech is selling HIK products.

If you are looking for Dahua products, can look for me. brows.gif
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Any idea where to get Hikvision English set?
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Actually I am not too sure where to get the Hikvision English set in Malaysia.
You can search online from Google, or search in Amazon, eBay or even Taobao.
If you really wanted to get the English set, prepare to fork out 2x to 3x the price of the China set.
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Any idea where to get Hikvision English set?
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We are HIKVISION Dealer.
All our HIKVISION Product are English Version, and hv 1yr Local Warranty
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HIKVISION .... hehe, this is one of the cctv being hacked and turn it into zombies for mass DDOS internet attack.
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IoT devices are prone to botnet attacks because of the common password deployed for their back end access on SSH tunnel. Another issue with the common hack is because of the default username and password for GUI that was not changed when the installer handover to the owners.

All in all, these devices are deployed huge quantities compared to other IoT devices. Each home can easily have 4-8 devices, multiply that by thousands of residential, retails and factories and there you go, you have your Mirai botnet army ready to take down even huge sites like DynDns, which helps in hosting twitter and reddit.
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QUOTE(Cold|Drawn @ Dec 8 2016, 03:22 PM)
IoT devices are prone to botnet attacks because of the common password deployed for their back end access on SSH tunnel. Another issue with the common hack is because of the default username and password for GUI that was not changed when the installer handover to the owners. 

All in all, these devices are deployed huge quantities compared to other IoT devices. Each home can easily have 4-8 devices, multiply that by thousands of residential, retails and factories and there you go, you have your Mirai botnet army ready to take down even huge sites like DynDns, which helps in hosting twitter and reddit.
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I wonder how surveillance system like Hikvision can get targeted by hacker for DDOS purpose, because from what I know, most current Hikvision surveillance system will ask user to set password on first boot up. Unless user set weak username and password, or the Hikvision system itself have backdoor or security hole that getting exploits by hacker. It is always good to get the surveillance system firmware up-to-date.
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Am looking for 2 surveillance camera,no need recording,no internet and no wiring.Just direct view into TV.Need to take a peek at car porch and the back alley at night from upstair.

Any suggestion?
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QUOTE(alexander3133 @ Dec 8 2016, 03:52 PM)
I wonder how surveillance system like Hikvision can get targeted by hacker for DDOS purpose, because from what I know, most current Hikvision surveillance system will ask user to set password on first boot up. Unless user set weak username and password, or the Hikvision system itself have backdoor or security hole that getting exploits by hacker. It is always good to get the surveillance system firmware up-to-date.
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There's a backdoor access, and the backdoor access is usually standardized among all devices. The backdoor access in general term is like your iphone locked screen password, whereas the user and pass prompted for you to change is like the app with password. So long as your root is jeopardized, it doesn't matter what password is guarding your app, or in security case the password for recorder's graphic user interface. The system is hacked from the root, the bots will then inject the malware into the device and started to target whatever servers that they were assigned to.

Btw, they do not do remote firmware upgrade because it's too risky. In the event if the update patch is terminated along the progress, probably internet latency issue or somehow it could be human error, turning off the power while uploading, it can risk the device being bricked. Even if they are not, how can they convince consumers to buy products that the manufacturer has backend access? "sorry, we keep the access to remote login just to update firmware?"

It's security and privacy that we are selling, remote login for firmware upgrade is simply the opposite of the core value. Maybe it works for other IoT devices like fridge and whatnot, but even few years back when TV manufacturers started having their smart TV sending back packets of data regarding on the channel viewing, time consume on selected channels and so on, people with cameras on their TV got quite concerned. So, backend to CCTV is just... not acceptable in at least the western countries.
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QUOTE(thenuts15 @ Dec 8 2016, 03:54 PM)
Am looking for 2 surveillance camera,no need recording,no internet and no wiring.Just direct view into TV.Need to take a peek at car porch and the back alley at night from upstair.

Any suggestion?
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Bro, you can DIY this on your own. These are the items that you need

1. Analog cameras (nowadays hard to get analog cams, get those 4-in-1 cams, ask the manufacturer to switch to analog for you.)
2. Coaxial cable (you can get a drum or buy loose)
3. VDE cable (just get a roll of 60m)
4. 12V 2A power adaptor
5. Since there are two cameras, and only 1 RCA connector on your TV, you'll need to get a RCA switcher. Press switch 1 for cam 1, switch 2 for cam 2.
6. BNC connectors and DC plug male
7. RCA connectors

and... there you go! complete system.

I've PM'ed you for pricing.
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Bro, you can DIY this on your own. These are the items that you need

1. Analog cameras (nowadays hard to get analog cams, get those 4-in-1 cams, ask the manufacturer to switch to analog for you.)
2. Coaxial cable (you can get a drum or buy loose)
3. VDE cable (just get a roll of 60m)
4. 12V 2A power adaptor
5. Since there are two cameras, and only 1 RCA connector on your TV, you'll need to get a RCA switcher. Press switch 1 for cam 1, switch 2 for cam 2.
6. BNC connectors and DC plug male
7. RCA connectors

and... there you go! complete system.

I've PM'ed you for pricing.
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Can it be done wirelessly?
I read SMART TV cant do it unless i get an Android Stick/Box.Is it possible if i get IP Camera and connected wirelessly via Router which connect via LAN to SMART TV?
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QUOTE(alexander3133 @ Dec 2 2016, 06:42 PM)
My recommendation
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Hikvision China Set
NVR: (Supports up to 8 network cameras with PoE)
Network Camera: [url=
(IP67 Protection and Minimum Illuminance of 0.002 Lux)

Hikvision English Set
NVR:  (Supports up to 8 network cameras with PoE)
Network Camera: [url=
(IP67 Protection and Minimum Illuminance of 0.01 Lux)

1TB of hard drive is enough for your need, can store up to 48 hours from six 2MP 25fps camera at 5120kbps bit rate.
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Hi, what can I get to protect my CCTV cameras/nvr from getting fried if lightning struck?
Is something like this sufficient enough?

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/272679

From another lowyat thread, they seem to recommend Cal Lab brand over belkin

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=66449443

For the past few years when thunder strikes, only my router that's connected to modem that's either fried or LAN port damaged.
So I'm kinda worried it might damage my cameras when I'm using wired POE LAN system

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QUOTE(alexander3133 @ Dec 2 2016, 08:49 PM)
Yes, I am fully aware of that.
The China set only came with Chinese user interface and Chinese language.
That is why I included the English set on my recommendation also.
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For Chinese set hikvision, can you use IVMS 4200/4500 mobile app to access your cameras?
Can ezviz be used if you're using chinese camera outside of china region?
Is the motion/alarm alert message notification in chinese or english?

This post has been edited by alucard89: Dec 9 2016, 02:40 AM
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For Chinese set hikvision, can you use IVMS 4200/4500 mobile app to access your cameras?
Can ezviz be used if you're using chinese camera outside of china region?
Is the motion/alarm alert message notification in chinese or english?
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From what I know of until now, you are able to use iVMS 4200 mobile app to perform remote viewing on Hikvision China set.
I can't remember the motion/alarm alert message language, but I believed it should be in Chinese.
Also, the time and date OSD on the camera screen, is in Chinese, you can set the day, month and year to be displayed in numerical rather than in Chinese, but can't get rid of the day of the week display in Chinese.
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QUOTE(alucard89 @ Dec 9 2016, 02:30 AM)
Hi, what can I get to protect my CCTV cameras/nvr from getting fried if lightning struck?
Is something like this sufficient enough?

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/272679

From another lowyat thread, they seem to recommend Cal Lab brand over belkin

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=66449443

For the past few years when thunder strikes, only my router that's connected to modem that's either fried or LAN port damaged.
So I'm kinda worried it might damage my cameras when I'm using wired POE LAN system
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I have not much experience on lightning arrestor or lightning isolator, but you can ask around or wait for other people reply.
I remembered that the Hikvision network camera has 6kV lightning protection, I saw the words written in the packaging, but not in the specification on their website.
Better still to have another layer of protection just to be safe.
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QUOTE(thenuts15 @ Dec 8 2016, 10:33 PM)
Can it be done wirelessly?
I read SMART TV cant do it unless i get an Android Stick/Box.Is it possible if i get IP Camera and connected wirelessly via Router which connect via LAN to SMART TV?
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if your TV is of android based, then there's a chance... but first, you'll need to download the app and make sure that the app is available for your TV.
Kindly remember that say brand A camera, will have their own proprietary brand A app as well. You cannot buy brand A camera, then use brand B app.

Anyway, with that said, yes... you can buy wireless cam, connect to your router, then have the TV connected to the same network, then stream it through the app on TV.
However, even though it's wireless you'll still need to lay power cable for the wireless camera, and also one more thing, outdoor wireless cameras are quite expensive.
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QUOTE(alucard89 @ Dec 9 2016, 02:30 AM)
Hi, what can I get to protect my CCTV cameras/nvr from getting fried if lightning struck?
Is something like this sufficient enough?

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/272679

From another lowyat thread, they seem to recommend Cal Lab brand over belkin

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=66449443

For the past few years when thunder strikes, only my router that's connected to modem that's either fried or LAN port damaged.
So I'm kinda worried it might damage my cameras when I'm using wired POE LAN system
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Regarding on lightning strike, it's a sensitive issue. There's no 100% way of covering the acts of god, it's just too random.

However, technically if you were to open up the plastic housings and compare the Belkin to Cal-Lab, Cal-Lab would be a much better isolator.

I've been selling Cal-Lab for a long time, and yes it works. Most of the time, the lightning isolator is fried, but the item remains unharm.

The question is, Cal-Lab has got many type of isolators, which isolator should you use?

Also, which point should you allocate your isolator? Here are a few suggestions.

1. 230VAC power plug top
2. LAN port on your modem (that connects to the recorder/camera. If you have 10 cameras, and you want to protect them all, you'll need 10 isolators already)
3. LAN port on each of your camera at the camera point. (protecting from the router end, doesn't mean it will stop the lightning at cam end. If the lightning strikes the cable, the excess will flow to whichever pressure is lower, or maybe both ways)
4. DC plug point of your camera

Do remember that a complete isolator solution can be quite costly.
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QUOTE(alexander3133 @ Dec 9 2016, 07:12 AM)
I have not much experience on lightning arrestor or lightning isolator, but you can ask around or wait for other people reply.
I remembered that the Hikvision network camera has 6kV lightning protection, I saw the words written in the packaging, but not in the specification on their website.
Better still to have another layer of protection just to be safe.
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6kv ohmy.gif that don't seem to be a lighting protection circuit maybe good for incoming surge but not lighting. Lighting is many more time of that and depending on the strength and area too.

http://www.windpowerengineering.com/featur...t-of-lightning/
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QUOTE(alucard89 @ Dec 9 2016, 02:30 AM)
Hi, what can I get to protect my CCTV cameras/nvr from getting fried if lightning struck?
Is something like this sufficient enough?

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/272679

From another lowyat thread, they seem to recommend Cal Lab brand over belkin

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=66449443

For the past few years when thunder strikes, only my router that's connected to modem that's either fried or LAN port damaged.
So I'm kinda worried it might damage my cameras when I'm using wired POE LAN system
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Been using Cal-Lab, is good so far. at my mom house, only cal-lab managed to protect my dsl modem, the other brand i try it fried together with the modem. Proble with Cal-lab need to pay small fees for a replacement.

Any lighting protection, it have to be protected at the point of entry of lighting (usually is electric source, antenna, and long running conductor like wires)
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How to know if the DVR can receive via wirelessly?
I am looking at DS-7200HGHI-SH HIK Vision
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How to know if the DVR can receive via wirelessly?
I am looking at DS-7200HGHI-SH HIK Vision
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Hmm, I'm not an expert for HIK, as I usually sell Dahua products.
Based on the specs, this model does not have the wireless antenna required for accepting WiFi signals.

Also, actually if you can connect this recorder to the router. Place it near your router.
Connect the recorder via a short network patch cable, you don't have to fork out so much on the WiFi model ma.
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QUOTE(alexander3133 @ Dec 9 2016, 07:12 AM)
I have not much experience on lightning arrestor or lightning isolator, but you can ask around or wait for other people reply.
I remembered that the Hikvision network camera has 6kV lightning protection, I saw the words written in the packaging, but not in the specification on their website.
Better still to have another layer of protection just to be safe.
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6kVA is usually for lightning surge. Meaning that, when there's a power trip, the fuse at our DB box tripped. However, that doesn't mean that TNB stops supplying power to the house. Theoretically, it's like clamping the water house with our hands. When the power resumes after we flip the fuse, imagine the water surging through because of the pressure held, electricity will also surge to your devices as well. If the lightning chip cannot handle the surge, then it will burn the device.

That's the reason why places with frequent power trips end up with more electronics damaged. Furthermore, our devices are ELV, only consumes 12VDC. Therefore, even slight surge means a lot to the device already.

6kV lightning protection did not mention the response time that it needs to stop the lightning. When there's a incoming surge of more than 6kVA charging at the device, you'll need an isolator to cut off the surge. Plus, the isolator better make sure that it response fast enough to cut off before the surge goes through.

This is where Cal-Lab's lightning isolator comes into place.
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QUOTE(thenuts15 @ Dec 9 2016, 10:01 AM)
How to know if the DVR can receive via wirelessly?
I am looking at DS-7200HGHI-SH HIK Vision
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This DVR model is using TVI technology, meaning it runs on coaxial cable.
As far as I know of, there is no WiFi or wireless functionality for TVI camera and recorder.
To run surveillance system with coaxial cable, you will need minimum of 2 sets of wires, coaxial cable and power supply cable.
If you want minimum cable running on your surveillance system, you can consider network surveillance system with POE functionality.
With POE, only one cable is required, which is the network cable.
Even with surveillance system with wireless or WiFi system, you still need power point to supply power to your camera.
Hope it helps.
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QUOTE(alexander3133 @ Dec 9 2016, 07:12 AM)
I have not much experience on lightning arrestor or lightning isolator, but you can ask around or wait for other people reply.
I remembered that the Hikvision network camera has 6kV lightning protection, I saw the words written in the packaging, but not in the specification on their website.
Better still to have another layer of protection just to be safe.
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I'm buying this model DS-2CD2145F-IS
Getting the multilanguage one

https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Ne...2451307151.html (can't find any official hikvision website link yet)

Is lightning protection listed for this model?
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QUOTE(Cold|Drawn @ Dec 9 2016, 09:12 AM)
Regarding on lightning strike, it's a sensitive issue. There's no 100% way of covering the acts of god, it's just too random.

However, technically if you were to open up the plastic housings and compare the Belkin to Cal-Lab, Cal-Lab would be a much better isolator.

I've been selling Cal-Lab for a long time, and yes it works. Most of the time, the lightning isolator is fried, but the item remains unharm.

The question is, Cal-Lab has got many type of isolators, which isolator should you use?

Also, which point should you allocate your isolator? Here are a few suggestions.

1. 230VAC power plug top
2. LAN port on your modem (that connects to the recorder/camera. If you have 10 cameras, and you want to protect them all, you'll need 10 isolators already)
3. LAN port on each of your camera at the camera point. (protecting from the router end, doesn't mean it will stop the lightning at cam end. If the lightning strikes the cable, the excess will flow to whichever pressure is lower, or maybe both ways)
4. DC plug point of your camera

Do remember that a complete isolator solution can be quite costly.
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My setup would be like this

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Modem -> Tplink router -> 8 port POE adaptor -> 4 cameras
                                  -> NVR


Would placing one isolator between Router & POE adaptor/NVR be enough?
Or should I install it between telephone line & modem.

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QUOTE(alucard89 @ Dec 9 2016, 05:37 PM)
I'm buying this model DS-2CD2145F-IS
Getting the multilanguage one

https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Ne...2451307151.html (can't find any official hikvision website link yet)

Is lightning protection listed for this model?
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That model listed in AliExpress is either one of these two:
http://www.hikvision.com/cn/prgs_964_i8166.html
http://www.hikvision.com/cn/prgs_964_i13191.html

Again I don't see any of the lightning protection mentioned in the website page.
It is always good to have a separate lightning isolator to protect both your recorder and camera, without relying solely on the possible built-in lightning protection module.
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How to know if the DVR can receive via wirelessly?
I am looking at DS-7200HGHI-SH HIK Vision
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HIKVISION DVR don't support WIFI Dongle like DAHUA DVR.
If you want connect the HIKVISION DVR Wirelessly with your router, go get an Access Point, example: Dlink DAP-1360
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QUOTE(Cold|Drawn @ Dec 9 2016, 06:59 AM)
6kV lightning protection did not mention the response time that it needs to stop the lightning.
That is because anything that would stop or block lightning is a scam. A 6kV number does not exist IF the device is not properly earthed. Again, only scams isolate from or stop lightning. That camera suffers no damage is the 6kV transient connects to earth on a path that does not pass inside through electronics.

No lightning protector (or lightning rod) protects or isolates from surges including lightning. Protectors (and lightning rods) are only effective as connecting devices. Actual protection is done by what harmlessly absorbs hundreds of thousands of joules - earth ground. Protectors (and rods) protect only by connecting that energy harmlessly to earth.

All protectors (and lightning rods) are fast enough. What defines that protection? Quality of and connection to (it must be a low impedance connection) to earth. How to increase protection? Make a lower impedance connection (ie wire must be shorter; not thicker). Expand / upgrade the single point earth ground. Only then is a protector more effective.

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That is because anything that would stop or block lightning is a scam.  A 6kV number does not exist IF the device is not properly earthed.  Again, only scams isolate from or stop lightning.  That camera suffers no damage is the 6kV transient connects to earth on a path that does not pass inside through electronics.

No lightning protector (or lightning rod) protects or isolates from surges including lightning.  Protectors (and lightning rods) are only effective as connecting devices.  Actual protection is done by what harmlessly absorbs hundreds of thousands of joules - earth ground.  Protectors (and rods) protect only by connecting that energy harmlessly to earth.

All protectors (and lightning rods) are fast enough.  What defines that protection?  Quality of and connection to (it must be a low impedance connection) to earth.  How to increase protection?  Make a lower impedance connection (ie wire must be shorter; not thicker).  Expand / upgrade the single point earth ground.  Only then is a protector more effective.
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You really type too much to explain a simple phenomenon..

A simply "path of least resistance" is an apt explanation ..

Also please stop with lower "impedance" when you can narrow the term to be resistance..

What is the frequency are you referring to with your "impedance"..

If you need to be technical then please at least explain why you keep using the term..

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A simply "path of least resistance" is an apt explanation ..
Resistance is irrelevant. Impedance is the significant parameter.

For example, a 12 meter copper wire might be 0.2 ohms resistance. That same wire is something like 120 ohms impedance.

Other factors also apply. If a wire has numerous sharp bends, resistance does not change. But impedance increases significantly.

From an engineer at WXIA-TV:
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Since my disasterous strike, I've been campaigning vigorously to educate amateurs that you *can* avoid damage from direct strikes.  The belief that there's no protection from direct strike damage is *myth*. ...
The keys to effective lightning protection are surprisingly simple, and surprisingly less than obvious. Of course you *must* have a single point ground system that eliminates all ground loops. And you must present a low *impedance* path for the energy to go. That's most generally a low *inductance* path rather than just a low ohm DC path.


From the book "Safe Coordination Between Power and Communication Surge Protection":
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1.4 Role of grounding in lightning protection systems
In the case of direct strikes, a low impedance path from the lightning protection conductor to the ground is essential to keep the inevitable voltage-rise within safe limits, when currents of large magnitudes are conducted by the lightning protection system. ... While the normal power system ground is designed primarily to provide a low resistance path to ground, in the case of grounding systems of lightning/surge protection systems, it is the impedance which is of importance. As we shall see later, a surge gives rise to voltage and current pulses having extremely fast rise times. Any inductance in the grounding circuit obstructs the flow of surge currents and produces a voltage drop. This drop is a function of the inductance and the rate of rise of the current. Remember that even a piece of wire has its own self-inductance, which is sufficient to cause an appreciable voltage drop while conducting a lightning surge if the length becomes excessive. Thus the grounding conductors of a lightning protection system (including the ground connections of surge protection devices) must be as short as possible and without any avoidable bends.


From Smiths Power application note entitled "AC and DC Power Protection at Communication Sites":
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The amount of current the protector will conduct to ground depends on the equipment load impedance, the inductance of the ground conductor on its way to earth ground, and the fall of potential resistance/impedance of the earth ground system.


From QST Magazine (by the ARRL) entitled ""Lightning Protection for the Amateur Radio Station"
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The purpose of the ground connection is to take the energy arriving on the antenna feed line cables and control lines (and to a lesser extent on the power and telephone lines) and give it a path back to the earth, our energy sink. The impedance of the ground connection should be low so the energy prefers this path and is dispersed harmlessly. To achieve a low impedance the ground connection needs to be short (distance), straight, and wide.


From Mike Holt's "Grounding vs. Bonding":
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2.3.1 Grounding
An effective, low-impedance ground path is critical for the successful operation of an SPD.


From Electrical Engineering Times entitled "Protecting Electrical Devices from Lightning Transients":
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Another aspect of impedance ... of a wire is predominately related to its length and weakly related to its diameter. ...  The length of the cable increases the impedance dramatically. ...
... wire should have at least a 10 inch or 30 cm radius.


Wire thickness affects resistance. Impedance is defined by wire length and other parameters. No soundbyte (apt) explanation of science exists. Sound bytes (simplistic answers) are a first indication of junk science reasoning. Professionals cite impedance - not resistance. A protector is only as effective as its earth ground. That means single point earth ground AND a low *impedance* connection.

That 6kV protection is effective only when a low impedance connection to ground exists. Then a surge that might create 6000 volts instead creates near zero volts. How close to zero? How low is that impedance?

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Resistance is irrelevant.  Impedance is the significant parameter.

For example, a 12 meter copper wire might be 0.2 ohms resistance.  That same wire is something like 120 ohms impedance.

Other factors also apply.  If a wire has numerous sharp bends, resistance does not change.  But impedance increases significantly.

From an engineer at WXIA-TV:

From the book "Safe Coordination Between Power and Communication Surge Protection":
From Smiths Power application note entitled "AC and DC Power Protection at Communication Sites":
From QST Magazine (by the ARRL) entitled ""Lightning Protection for the Amateur Radio Station"
From Mike Holt's "Grounding vs. Bonding":
From Electrical Engineering Times entitled "Protecting Electrical Devices from Lightning Transients":
Wire thickness affects resistance.  Impedance is defined by wire length and other parameters.  No soundbyte (apt) explanation of science exists.  Sound bytes (simplistic answers) are a first indication of junk science reasoning.  Professionals cite impedance - not resistance.  A protector is only as effective as its earth ground.  That means single point earth ground AND a low *impedance* connection.

That 6kV protection is effective only when a low impedance connection to ground exists.  Then a surge that might create 6000 volts instead creates near zero volts.  How close to zero?  How low is that impedance?
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From my understanding

Ohms..
Impedance = Reactance(inductive + capacitive) + resistance

Where reactance = 2πfL + 1/(2πfC) ; (inductive + capacitive) (f=frequency)

What is the frequency of lightning? Is is DC or AC ?

When lightning strikes it creates a plasma as a conduit to get to ground.. This is purely resistive (as i know air has no frequency)..

What you are reading are reference to lighting with frequency which has no basis..

Our local LPI (lightning protection system) JKR specs have always used the Franklin rod system for protection against lightning strikes "rolling sphere" principle..

Thus your reference to impedance makes no practical use..

The only standards that are employed here (Malaysia) are JKR (bahagian elektrik) which have numerous engineers who have case studied (i mean this literally) schools, government buildings damaged by lightning..

I have not heard of impedance being used in any of the seminars I have attended..

You are welcome to prove me wrong..

Edit * Your example,

a 12 meter copper wire might be 0.2 ohms resistance. That same wire is something like 120 ohms impedance.

It makes no sense if you don't mention the how or the why..

for impedance there must be frequency .. Where is this frequency? and is it inductive or capacitive? what?

Never mind.. I've just concurred with your use of impedance..

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What is the frequency of lightning? Is is DC or AC ?

Lightning is obviously radio frequencies. So it interferes with radio and TV reception.

Techniques to identify the location of a lightning strike receives and triangulates its resulting radio wave.

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Install SPD

The Surge Protection Device (SPD) is a component of the electrical installation protection system.

This device is connected in parallel on the power supply circuit of the loads that it has to protect (see Fig. J17). It can also be used at all levels of the power supply network.

This is the most commonly used and most efficient type of overvoltage protection.

http://www.electrical-installation.org/enw...on_Device_(SPD)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltfPOXsqtTs



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QUOTE(idealhometech @ Dec 10 2016, 03:46 PM)
Install SPD

The Surge Protection Device (SPD) is a component of the electrical installation protection system.

This device is connected in parallel on the power supply circuit of the loads that it has to protect (see Fig. J17). It can also be used at all levels of the power supply network.

This is the most commonly used and most efficient type of overvoltage protection.

http://www.electrical-installation.org/enw...on_Device_(SPD)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltfPOXsqtTs


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Yes.. don't forget the earth wire(16mm2) and earth chamber(below 10 Ohms)..

Lightning strikes the overhead cables and gets diverted to ground before it has a chance to reach your equipment..

The earth wire must be properly bonded to the SPD and connected securely to a low resistance earth chamber..


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Wire has impedance. That means the most critical aspect of protection is a protector as close as possible to the single point earth ground - to decrease impedance to earth. And large separation between protector and appliances - to increase impedance to that appliance. That larger separation increases appliance protection.

Not discussed in that tutorial - sharp wire bends, splices, and metallic conduit also increase impedance. That earth ground connection must be straighter, short as possible, and separated from other non-grounding wires.

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Instead of NVR
Is an intel atom powered PC sufficient for IMVS 4500 with hikvision cameras?
Saw an ad for use intel Hewlett-Packard T5740
Since I'm only doing motion detected recording, I could place an ssd inside

However, is processing power enough to for 4mp camera recording with IVMS for pc?
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QUOTE(alucard89 @ Dec 12 2016, 02:37 PM)
Instead of NVR
Is an intel atom powered PC sufficient for IMVS 4500 with hikvision cameras?
Saw an ad for use intel Hewlett-Packard T5740
Since I'm only doing motion detected recording, I could place an ssd inside

However, is processing power enough to for 4mp camera recording with IVMS for pc?
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Better use NVR.
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Hi I intend to install a CCTV system for my house. I wanted to find out more on the recording of the images. When i survey internet, most of the CCTV systems come with DVR and the images are recorded on your hard disk. If let's say there is a break-in and the thief took away the harddisk, how do we retrieve the recorded video feed? Can we have some sort of external server storage? Who provides such services and how much is it?
Newbie here, appreciate some advice
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QUOTE(cchean @ Dec 13 2016, 04:04 PM)
Hi I intend to install a CCTV system for my house. I wanted to find out more on the recording of the images. When i survey internet, most of the CCTV systems come with DVR and the images are recorded on your hard disk. If let's say there is a break-in and the thief took away the harddisk, how do we retrieve the recorded video feed? Can we have some sort of external server storage? Who provides such services and how much is it?
Newbie here, appreciate some advice
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First of all, we always recommend client to hide the DVR, instead of put beside the TV in Living Room or any place which is so obvious.
Second, our DVR can link to a NAS (Network Storage) or link to Dropbox, GoogleDrive, so in case DVR stolen, u still can retrieve footage from Cloud.
Another option is, at another place, use a PC (installed client software) to record.

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What broadband package I need get from Streamyx/Unifi to run a 8 1.3Mp CCTV with HD?
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What broadband package I need get from Streamyx/Unifi to run a 8 1.3Mp CCTV with HD?
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Please share what kind of CCTV system you are having or going to have?
Brand, model if you know, for better calculation.
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Please share what kind of CCTV system you are having or going to have?
Brand, model if you know, for better calculation.
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Still undecided.
Likely will get HIK Vision.Need 4 Dome Camera with IR and 4 Bullet Camera with IR.
Still unsure what system to use.Still reading....
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QUOTE(thenuts15 @ Dec 19 2016, 12:39 PM)
Still undecided.
Likely will get HIK Vision.Need 4 Dome Camera with IR and 4 Bullet Camera with IR.
Still unsure what system to use.Still reading....
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Since you are asking for broadband package to run CCTV, so the thing you should pay attention on the broadband package is the UPLOAD bandwidth or speed.

For Hikvision network camera system, most of the camera can provide both main-stream and sub-stream.

Main-stream, is the stream that you have chosen for recording, if you have 1.3MP camera, your main stream most likely will be recording on 1.3MP, although you can adjust the recording resolution on the NVR.
Let's say your main-stream is at 1.3MP (1280 x 960 @ 25fps using H.264 compression, 2048kbps bit rate), if you want to perform remote view on main-stream, your broadband package must have at least upload bandwidth of 2.9Mbps, according to bandwidth calculator tool provided by Hikvision.

Sub-stream, is a stream derived from main-stream, which its purpose for low-bandwidth streaming support. Sub-stream has a fixed resolution of 352 x 288, regardless of your chosen main-stream resolution.
Sub-stream will take up bandwidth of around 366kbps of bandwidth, with 25fps and using H.264 compression.

As time of writing, Streamyx packages provide 384kbps upload speed for 1Mbps and 2Mbps package, and 512kbps upload speed for 4Mbps and 8Mbps package.
With 384kbps or 512kbps of upload speed, you can only have one single sub-stream view for smooth remote viewing.

As for UniFi plan, the cheapest 30Mbps plan has upload bandwidth of 10Mbps, which is enough to have 3 simultaneous main-stream view on 1.3MP.

If you want to view 8 camera simultaneously using main-stream, you will need at least 24Mbps of upload speed on your broadband package.
Becareful if you want to do this on your mobile with limited quota data plan, as it will used up the quota very fast.

Please correct me if there is any mistake.

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Still undecided.
Likely will get HIK Vision.Need 4 Dome Camera with IR and 4 Bullet Camera with IR.
Still unsure what system to use.Still reading....
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Go for unifi or even better time fiber if available
Just grab any package that gives you the highest upload speed
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alexander3133 and alucard89 , thanks for the input.
Will do more readings...very good info.
I think 1MP camera will be good enough if there's budget constraint.
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Are there such thing as wireless CCTV which can view via smartphone wirelessly without internet connection for the purpose of viewing remotely in close proximity?
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alexander3133 and alucard89 , thanks for the input.
Will do more readings...very good info.
I think 1MP camera will be good enough if there's budget constraint.
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What's your budget for each camera?
I think you can get 3rd party onvif 1080p 2mp for around 95 ~ 100+. Motion detection should still work with hikvision nvr.
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Are there such thing as wireless CCTV which can view via smartphone wirelessly without internet connection for the purpose of viewing remotely in close proximity?
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I think you can do that with any wireless cctv cam.
As long as it provides rtsp link that you can view in your lan
Some cameras are lock down like xiaomi, 360 that you can only view using their app that needs internet.
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want to ask - what is the cheapest cctv camera that can record to a local pc?

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want to ask - what is the cheapest cctv camera that can record to a local pc?
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I would suggest tat you can get a USB webcam instead, and then find a free PC software that offers recording from webcam.
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Just noticed digi has new broadband package for rm30 with 6gb data and free 10gb youtube.
Definitely an ideal choice to monitor cctv streams at home besides streamyx where fiber not available.

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looking for cctv package 2 x outdoor and 2 x indoor. Wiring is ready for 2 x outdoor.

Pls pm me packahge. Budget 1k
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looking for cctv package 2 x outdoor and 2 x indoor.  Wiring is ready for 2 x outdoor.

Pls pm me packahge.  Budget 1k
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If u install urself, buy Harddisk urself, HIKVISION 4ch 720P HD system can get RM1000. biggrin.gif

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looking for cctv package 2 x outdoor and 2 x indoor.  Wiring is ready for 2 x outdoor.

Pls pm me packahge.  Budget 1k
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Try this one, 1080p and onvif should be compatible with other nvr, additional 20 yuan for audio recording

http://h5.m.taobao.com/awp/core/detail.htm...791&toSite=main

Any xmeye nvr or hikvision ds-7108sn should be sufficient

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I just received my Hikvision CCTV and NVR from ezbuy. Will look into thoroughly how to setup the whole system. I think I need some help on it to setup. Any idea where to reference to setup with my Asus router?

Curious to know how does PoE adapter work?
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QUOTE(longpants @ Jan 11 2017, 10:37 AM)
I just received my Hikvision CCTV and NVR from ezbuy. Will look into thoroughly how to setup the whole system. I think I need some help on it to setup. Any idea where to reference to setup with my Asus router?

Curious to know how does PoE adapter work?
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QUOTE(longpants @ Jan 11 2017, 10:37 AM)
I just received my Hikvision CCTV and NVR from ezbuy. Will look into thoroughly how to setup the whole system. I think I need some help on it to setup. Any idea where to reference to setup with my Asus router?

Curious to know how does PoE adapter work?
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Try setting up ezviz, should be straightforward after that and you'll be able to access outside home network

If not you might need to set up port forward on your asus router

Hikvision cam -> poe adapter cable -> poe ethernet switch/hikvision nvr with poe -> router

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QUOTE(alucard89 @ Jan 11 2017, 11:10 AM)
Try setting up ezviz, should be straightforward after that and you'll be able to access outside home network

If not you might need to set up port forward on your asus router

Hikvision cam -> poe adapter cable -> poe ethernet switch/hikvision nvr with poe -> router
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I thought EZVIZ requires a China Mobile Number for registration?

Currently my thoughts of setup is:

Through LAN:
Hikvision Cam (DS-IPC-B32-I3) > Hikvision NVR(DS-7108N)> Asus Router (N12HP)
Through WIFI:
Hikvision Cam (DS-IPC-B32-I3) > Asus Router (N12HP) or whichever router> Hikvision NVR(DS-7108N)

But I think I need to set up my NVR first because yesterday when I switch on without any HDD, it just keeps beeping every 10 seconds. WD Purple HDD 2TB should be enough I hope? Anyway, can it operate without a display monitor?
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QUOTE(longpants @ Jan 11 2017, 11:24 AM)
I thought EZVIZ requires a China Mobile Number for registration?

Currently my thoughts of setup is:

Through LAN:
Hikvision Cam (DS-IPC-B32-I3) > Hikvision NVR(DS-7108N)> Asus Router (N12HP)
Through WIFI:
Hikvision Cam (DS-IPC-B32-I3) > Asus Router (N12HP) or whichever router> Hikvision NVR(DS-7108N)

But I think I need to set up my NVR first because yesterday when I switch on without any HDD, it just keeps beeping every 10 seconds. WD Purple HDD 2TB should be enough I hope? Anyway, can it operate without a display monitor?
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Are you using the multilanguage version or chinese firmware?
If chinese one, probably can't use ezviz here

Yeah, can still operate without monitor but you'll still need to know the ip address for nvr to configure the settings.

Try setting up with ivms 4500 mobile app and see if you can detect your device locally. Then you'll need to port forward your nvr so you can access it outside home network

For the hdd, have you tried formatting it in the hikvision setting?

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QUOTE(longpants @ Jan 11 2017, 11:24 AM)
I thought EZVIZ requires a China Mobile Number for registration?

Currently my thoughts of setup is:

Through LAN:
Hikvision Cam (DS-IPC-B32-I3) > Hikvision NVR(DS-7108N)> Asus Router (N12HP)
Through WIFI:
Hikvision Cam (DS-IPC-B32-I3) > Asus Router (N12HP) or whichever router> Hikvision NVR(DS-7108N)

But I think I need to set up my NVR first because yesterday when I switch on without any HDD, it just keeps beeping every 10 seconds. WD Purple HDD 2TB should be enough I hope? Anyway, can it operate without a display monitor?
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I am curious how many cameras you have.
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QUOTE(alucard89 @ Jan 11 2017, 11:36 AM)
Are you using the multilanguage version or chinese firmware?
If chinese one, probably can't use ezviz here

Yeah, can still operate without monitor but you'll still need to know the ip address for nvr to configure the settings.

Try setting up with ivms 4500 mobile app and see if you can detect your device locally. Then you'll need to port forward your nvr so you can access it outside home network

For the hdd, have you tried formatting it in the hikvision setting?
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It should be the multi language one. How to check from the outside to confirm? I haven't had the time to connect it to a monitor to see the interface yet. tongue.gif

I thought of setting up first with a temporary monitor then maybe later on see whether to have a permanent one.

Yesterday, I can view through the IVMS 4500 app when testing to connect to one of the Camera connected via LAN.

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I am curious how many cameras you have.
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Actually just 2 at the moment... tongue.gif
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QUOTE(longpants @ Jan 11 2017, 11:57 AM)
It should be the multi language one. How to check from the outside to confirm? I haven't had the time to connect it to a monitor to see the interface yet.  tongue.gif

I thought of setting up first with a temporary monitor then maybe later on see whether to have a permanent one.

Yesterday, I can view through the IVMS 4500 app when testing to connect to one of the Camera connected via LAN.
Actually just 2 at the moment...  tongue.gif
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Your NVR is the one that has 8 LAN ports right?
2TB is enough for you at the moment, can even expand your cameras in the future.

Get a temporary monitor to do initial setup, such as admin password and etc.
Your NVR can live without monitor after initial setup.
But since you said you are able to view from iVMS 4500 locally in LAN, I would assumed you have done the initial setup. Because iVMS 4500 requires you to login to the NVR for viewing.
Since you can view from iVMS 4500 through LAN, next you have to setup your Asus router so that you can perform remote view from internet.
1. Port forwarding
2. Setup Asus DDNS
3. Make sure your internet IP is a public IP, request your ISP for an public IP is you found that your internet IP is a private IP.
4. Change the address in your iVMS 4500 so that it point to the DDNS address you registered in your Asus router.
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QUOTE(longpants @ Jan 11 2017, 11:57 AM)
It should be the multi language one. How to check from the outside to confirm? I haven't had the time to connect it to a monitor to see the interface yet.  tongue.gif

I thought of setting up first with a temporary monitor then maybe later on see whether to have a permanent one.

Yesterday, I can view through the IVMS 4500 app when testing to connect to one of the Camera connected via LAN.
Actually just 2 at the moment...  tongue.gif
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If menu is in English confirmed multilanguage
2 other cameras also multilanguage? If chinese firmware you'll probably need to setup on your nvr using onvif instead of Hikvision
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QUOTE(alexander3133 @ Jan 11 2017, 12:16 PM)
Your NVR is the one that has 8 LAN ports right?
2TB is enough for you at the moment, can even expand your cameras in the future.

Get a temporary monitor to do initial setup, such as admin password and etc.
Your NVR can live without monitor after initial setup.
But since you said you are able to view from iVMS 4500 locally in LAN, I would assumed you have done the initial setup. Because iVMS 4500 requires you to login to the NVR for viewing.
Since you can view from iVMS 4500 through LAN, next you have to setup your Asus router so that you can perform remote view from internet.
1. Port forwarding
2. Setup Asus DDNS
3. Make sure your internet IP is a public IP, request your ISP for an public IP is you found that your internet IP is a private IP.
4. Change the address in your iVMS 4500 so that it point to the DDNS address you registered in your Asus router.
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Yes 8 ports. Planning to expand if the setup works out. Thanks a lot for the information. Will try to setup when I have the time.

QUOTE(alucard89 @ Jan 11 2017, 12:25 PM)
If menu is in English confirmed multilanguage
2 other cameras also multilanguage? If chinese firmware you'll probably need to setup on your nvr using onvif instead of Hikvision
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The cameras are Chinese firmware. Can it setup with hikvision nvr multilanguage?

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Yes 8 ports. Planning to expand if the setup works out. Thanks a lot for the information. Will try to setup when I have the time.
The cameras are Chinese firmware. Can it setup with hikvision nvr multilanguage?
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I think should still be possible, like i mentioned before
Try using onvif, not hikvision protocol when addding camera
Check what's the port number used for onvif on the camera settings.
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QUOTE(alucard89 @ Jan 11 2017, 01:56 PM)
I think should still be possible, like i mentioned before
Try using onvif, not hikvision protocol when addding camera
Check what's the port number used for onvif on the camera settings.
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Thanks for sharing.

Sorry I'm not familiar with the protocol and I'm still new on this. Mind asking, what is the difference between onvif and hikvision protocol?
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Thanks for sharing.

Sorry I'm not familiar with the protocol and I'm still new on this. Mind asking, what is the difference between onvif and hikvision protocol?
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With onvif, you can pretty much add any other 3rd party cameras with compatible onvif to the NVR and motion detection would still work

Hikvision protocol - for hikvision cameras only, can change settings on the camera directly like timestamp/private mask/etc
But in your case different firmware version
If your nvr is multilanguage then camera firmware need to be multilanguage also in order to get hikvision protocol working and vice versa with chinese ones
That's what i understand, any other sifus here probably could explain better

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Latest update:
Managed to connect all my cameras and NVR together. Now able to watch through NVR and also through IVMS app. Protocol is hikvision and not not onvif. Managed to figured that the gateway needed to follow either the Asus router or the NVR router ip. hehe.


The next step I am planning to do is to get it connected to the internet so that I remote view (through DNS server or whatever) and then physically installing them on the wall.

Now though, I have a problem which is the internet is damn slow after having to connect 2x2MP camera through wifi. Not sure whether the NVR, camera or both hogging the asus router. Have changed both settings to 720P from 1080p resolution which seems to have some improvement for the time being, definitely not long term solution.

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Latest update:
Managed to connect all my cameras and NVR together. Now able to watch through NVR and also through IVMS app. Protocol is hikvision and not not onvif. Managed to figured that the gateway needed to follow either the Asus router or the NVR router ip. hehe.
The next step I am planning to do is to get it connected to the internet so that I remote view (through DNS server or whatever) and then physically installing them on the wall.

Now though, I have a problem which is the internet is damn slow after having to connect 2x2MP camera through wifi. Not sure whether the NVR, camera or both hogging the asus router. Have changed both settings to 720P from 1080p resolution which seems to have some improvement for the time being, definitely not long term solution.

sifu any recommendations?
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I would suggest you to use 802.11n WiFi protocol instead of 802.11b/g protocol.
802.11g can provide max of 54Mbps of bandwidth only while 802.11n can provide more bandwidth than that.
If you have WiFi coverage concern using 802.11n, put 802.11n in 2.4GHz rather than in 5Ghz channel.
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QUOTE(longpants @ Jan 13 2017, 11:17 AM)
Latest update:
Managed to connect all my cameras and NVR together. Now able to watch through NVR and also through IVMS app. Protocol is hikvision and not not onvif. Managed to figured that the gateway needed to follow either the Asus router or the NVR router ip. hehe.
The next step I am planning to do is to get it connected to the internet so that I remote view (through DNS server or whatever) and then physically installing them on the wall.

Now though, I have a problem which is the internet is damn slow after having to connect 2x2MP camera through wifi. Not sure whether the NVR, camera or both hogging the asus router. Have changed both settings to 720P from 1080p resolution which seems to have some improvement for the time being, definitely not long term solution.

sifu any recommendations?
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Nice, so you can use hikvision protocol with different firmware language. The guys at ipcamtalk keep stressing out they're not compatible

I thought one of the camera is wired one? So you haven't install that one yet

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Do anyone know whether Asus offer free dns account? Or should I just go get from no-ip.com and others?

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Nice, so you can use hikvision protocol with different firmware language. The guys at ipcamtalk keep stressing out they're not compatible

I thought one of the camera is wired one? So you haven't install that one yet
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Yup. Unless the multi language NVR was originally chinese? I don't know.

Both the cameras are wireless and wired capable. I tried setting up differently to test it out. But my intention was to use Wireless. But it seems slow after I get everything connected together. So, I switched on QoS on my Asus router and also changed the resolution to 720p which seems to help. When I go into my Asus admin settings, it was so slow as well. Is it because the memory was not enough to support so many connections?

Also, I'm connecting the camera through another wireless repeater which is wirelessly connected to the Asus router as well. tongue.gif Was wondering whether if I connect both the wireless repeater and Asus router with PoE adapter.

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Post the link on where you bought from or what you bought, from there fellow forumers can provide further guidance.
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Sorry I think I missed out this post. Paiseh.

NVR: RDS-7108N
https://world.taobao.com/item/530139570672.htm?fromSite=main

IP Camera: DS-IPC-B32-I3
https://detail.tmall.com/item.htm?id=524306791782

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QUOTE(longpants @ Jan 13 2017, 02:55 PM)
Do anyone know whether Asus offer free dns account? Or should I just go get from no-ip.com and others?
Last time Hikvision has their own DDNS service, they are now closed.
http://www.forum.use-ip.co.uk/threads/hikv...scontinued.988/

I am not sure if your Asus router has DDNS service offered.
My family has bought 3 different Asus router model, and they all have Asus DDNS service support.

Refer to this guide:
http://www.asus.com/us/support/FAQ/1011725/


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Is this the right place to ask about IPcamera? I'm super newbie to CCTV so dont bash me..

I want to replace my outdated 8 camera with IPcamera, so aim is to have better picture quality coz old one not clear and also viewing access to smartphone.

I don't see any mention of the typical TP link and D link IPcamera in this thread. Is it not recommend to get those?
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QUOTE(FollowMeRogerThat @ Jan 16 2017, 11:26 AM)
Is this the right place to ask about IPcamera? I'm super newbie to CCTV so dont bash me..

I want to replace my outdated 8 camera with IPcamera, so aim is to have better picture quality coz old one not clear and also viewing access to smartphone.

I don't see any mention of the typical TP link and D link IPcamera in this thread. Is it not recommend to get those?
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You can get them of course, it's just that there's better ipcam out there with cheaper price and full hd also.

Do you plan to get wifi camera or the standard setup with decoder?
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Do anyone know whether Asus offer free dns account? Or should I just go get from no-ip.com and others?
Yup. Unless the multi language NVR was originally chinese? I don't know.

Both the cameras are wireless and wired capable. I tried setting up differently to test it out. But my intention was to use Wireless. But it seems slow after I get everything connected together. So, I switched on QoS on my Asus router and also changed the resolution to 720p which seems to help. When I go into my Asus admin settings, it was so slow as well. Is it because the memory was not enough to support so many connections?

Also, I'm connecting the camera through another wireless repeater which is wirelessly connected to the Asus router as well.  tongue.gif  Was wondering whether if I connect both the wireless repeater and Asus router with PoE adapter.
Sorry I think I missed out this post. Paiseh.

NVR: RDS-7108N
https://world.taobao.com/item/530139570672.htm?fromSite=main

IP Camera: DS-IPC-B32-I3
https://detail.tmall.com/item.htm?id=524306791782
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Any dns service will do, as long as your router regularly updates ip address to the dns service. I'm using no ip since it's free

My internet speed still fine, then again I'm using wired setup and the cameras are connected a seperate poe adapter. Camera video settings at max quality, but I did reduce the bitrate to around 3000kbps for each camera for normal view.

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QUOTE(alucard89 @ Jan 16 2017, 12:15 PM)
You can get them of course, it's just that there's better ipcam out there with cheaper price and full hd also.

Do you plan to get wifi camera or the standard setup with decoder?
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Hi Thanks for reply. I'm noob at all this. I do know my Dad has a set up with a black box most probably decoder and it's all physically wired at home, if not wrong.

Thing is the views are not clear and I want to upgrade to something HD with capability of smartphone assess, for e.g. playback.

My friend said I need to get a NAS for eg from Synology to be able to store and run playback files.

Anyway, I'm not sure what I"m talking about but any recommendation for what I want to achieve? In terms of type of setup and brand to look out for? I've got a pretty good router for a start if that's useful, Asus RT-88U

Thanks for help

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can anyone share what good model for outdoor cctv that have good quality for night/low light exposure. even better if can share the recorded video as example for comparison
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Hi Thanks for reply. I'm noob at all this. I do know my Dad has a set up with a black box most probably decoder and it's all physically wired at home, if not wrong.

Thing is the views are not clear and I want to upgrade to something HD with capability of smartphone assess, for e.g. playback.

My friend said I need to get a NAS for eg from Synology to be able to store and run playback files.

Anyway, I'm not sure what I"m talking about but any recommendation for what I want to achieve? In terms of type of setup and brand to look out for? I've got a pretty good router for a start if that's useful, Asus RT-88U

Thanks for help
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That's a powerful router you got there,
You're able to share files using with hdd/pendrive connected to the router via samba right?
Cameras like hikvision has net storage option where you can store recordings in the samba share location.

With ip cam, you could just use your pc and install nvr software or get a nvr decoder
NAS like synology can be quite expensive and unnecessary not to mention you still need pay for license for each camera you add.
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QUOTE(alucard89 @ Jan 16 2017, 01:45 PM)
That's a powerful router you got there,
You're able to share files using with hdd/pendrive connected to the router via samba right? 
Cameras like hikvision has net storage option where you can store recordings in the samba share location.

With ip cam, you could just use your pc and install nvr software or get a nvr decoder
NAS like synology can be quite expensive and unnecessary not to mention you still need pay for license for each camera you add.
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Correct Sir, my friend's Synology came with 2 license only, I'm replacing total 8 camera for my Dad and now learning on CCTV related info.

I'm not sure about this Samba but there's a USB port for sure, if my understanding is correct, I should be able to use a External HD connected to the router as storage to the playback files, once cameras are set up. Of course I'm still too new to setting anything up.

Guess i'll start reading on hikvision and NVR software/decoder to see what I can do.

Question, NVR software is a third party software or comes with hikvision? and NVR decoder, I assume it's a black box that all the camera connects to? and NVR software, if installed to PC, means my PC has to be on 24/7 to have the IPcamera working/storing playbacks?
Thanks.

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can anyone share what good model for outdoor cctv that have good quality for night/low light exposure. even better if can share the recorded video as example for comparison
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Try this one, got 720p - 1080p and optional sound recording

http://h5.m.taobao.com/awp/core/detail.htm...791&toSite=main

For samples, maybe you could request from seller
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You can try this one if you use Hikvision network camera.
http://www1.hikvision.com/cn/prgs_1021_i13179.html

It has minimum illumination of 0.002 Lux
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You can try this one if you use Hikvision network camera.
http://www1.hikvision.com/cn/prgs_1021_i13179.html

It has minimum illumination of 0.002 Lux
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Other than lux, what else need to look for night vision quality?
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QUOTE(FollowMeRogerThat @ Jan 16 2017, 02:05 PM)
Correct Sir, my friend's Synology came with 2 license only, I'm replacing total 8 camera for my Dad and now learning on CCTV related info.

I'm not sure about this Samba but there's a USB port for sure, if my understanding is correct, I should be able to use a External HD connected to the router as storage to the playback files, once cameras are set up. Of course I'm still too new to setting anything up.

Guess i'll start reading on hikvision and NVR software/decoder to see what I can do.

Question, NVR software is a third party software or comes with hikvision? and NVR decoder, I assume it's a black box that all the camera connects to? and NVR software, if installed to PC, means my PC has to be on 24/7 to have the IPcamera working/storing playbacks?
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There's 3rd party ones like blueiris and the ones from manufacturer like hikvision/dahua

Yep, that's the decoder

Yep, online 24/7 which is why people opt for nvr since it uses less power compared to pc.
Unless you're using one of those low power pc like the nuc.
You can also try using raspberry pi as nvr with zoneminder/motion eye
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Other than lux, what else need to look for night vision quality?
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Since I am only familiar with Hikvision products, I will carry on my explanation by using Hikvision product as example.

IMHO:

The minimum Lux is normally what I looks for when night time video clarity is the critical factor.

Next will be going higher resolution, by keeping the minimum lux as low as possible. Because normally the minimum lux of the camera will get higher with higher resolution.

Next will be the infrared range. Those Hikvision camera with EXIR infrared, you can select the infrared range you want. Up to 30m, 50m or 80m. Depends on the how far you want the camera to see.
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QUOTE(alucard89 @ Jan 16 2017, 03:28 PM)
Try this one, got 720p - 1080p and optional sound recording

http://h5.m.taobao.com/awp/core/detail.htm...791&toSite=main

For samples, maybe you could request from seller
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thank you for the link cuz im about to ask the same question too , rclxm9.gif
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can anyone share what good model for outdoor cctv that have good quality for night/low light exposure. even better if can share the recorded video as example for comparison
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QUOTE(alexander3133 @ Jan 15 2017, 09:44 PM)
Last time Hikvision has their own DDNS service, they are now closed.
http://www.forum.use-ip.co.uk/threads/hikv...scontinued.988/

I am not sure if your Asus router has DDNS service offered.
My family has bought 3 different Asus router model, and they all have Asus DDNS service support.

Refer to this guide:
http://www.asus.com/us/support/FAQ/1011725/
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QUOTE(alucard89 @ Jan 16 2017, 12:19 PM)
Any dns service will do, as long as your router regularly updates ip address to the dns service. I'm using no ip since it's free

My internet speed still fine, then again I'm using wired setup and the cameras are connected a seperate poe adapter. Camera video settings at max quality, but I did reduce the bitrate to around 3000kbps for each camera for normal view.
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I couldn't figure out how to use the Asus DNS so I go ahead to create my own DNS account through www.no-ip.com
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So far, with the two cameras wirelessly connected to the router isn't really stable when the whole the whole family is using the internet during the peak hours. There were some missing footage due to it. However, during odd hours when I am outside the house, it's alright because it streams smoothly through the IVMS 4500 app on my iPhone.

Now, contemplating to get another few more cameras using PoE setup instead. Wiring will be a problem next. LOL! Did you DIY your house? Any recommendations for cat5e cables? Does it need to be insulated? exposed? non exposed?

Planning to get a 3MP cam that has H265 compression, but I am not sure whether the NVR DS-7108N is able to support it or not.
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QUOTE(longpants @ Jan 17 2017, 10:12 PM)
I couldn't figure out how to use the Asus DNS so I go ahead to create my own DNS account through www.no-ip.com
rclxms.gif

So far, with the two cameras wirelessly connected to the router isn't really stable when the whole the whole family is using the internet during the peak hours. There were some missing footage due to it. However, during odd hours when I am outside the house, it's alright because it streams smoothly through the IVMS 4500 app on my iPhone.

Now, contemplating to get another few more cameras using PoE setup instead. Wiring will be a problem next. LOL! Did you DIY your house? Any recommendations for cat5e cables? Does it need to be insulated? exposed? non exposed?

Planning to get a 3MP cam that has H265 compression, but I am not sure whether the NVR DS-7108N is able to support it or not.
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Firstly, congrats on getting remote view of your house CCTV from your phone.
As mentioned by @alucard89, any DDNS service will do, as long as it works.

For me, wired connection is a safe bet for CCTV, because I can't afford to have lost connection or lost frames.
I will be giving my wireman to wired my house with LAN cable for CCTV, once I start my renovation.

If is just for CCTV with POE, normal Cat5 LAN able is sufficient.
No harm using Cat5e, just that the Cat5e cable might be more expensive than Cat5 cable.

Your NVR specification is here:
http://www1.hikvision.com/cn/prgs_679_i4416.html
Or international version: http://www.hikvision.com/en/Products_acces..._433_i5420.html

I don't see 3MP and I don't see H.265 in the specification, therefore not advisable to get a 3MP or H.265 camera.

Correct me if mistake found.
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QUOTE(longpants @ Jan 17 2017, 10:12 PM)
I couldn't figure out how to use the Asus DNS so I go ahead to create my own DNS account through
rclxms.gif

So far, with the two cameras wirelessly connected to the router isn't really stable when the whole the whole family is using the internet during the peak hours. There were some missing footage due to it. However, during odd hours when I am outside the house, it's alright because it streams smoothly through the IVMS 4500 app on my iPhone.

Now, contemplating to get another few more cameras using PoE setup instead. Wiring will be a problem next. LOL! Did you DIY your house? Any recommendations for cat5e cables? Does it need to be insulated? exposed? non exposed?

Planning to get a 3MP cam that has H265 compression, but I am not sure whether the NVR DS-7108N is able to support it or not.
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Well there is the waterproof connector that's included the camera for poe cables.
Using cat6 cables I got from taobao, definitely cheaper to buy longer cables there.

Better to get nvr that properly supports >4mp and above resolution like these ones

DS-7808N-K2
https://world.taobao.com/item/541903045729....6601.244.gBX9He

https://world.taobao.com/item/535606212602....6601.362.PAEIV3

I tried adding 4mp before to my ds 7108sn but it only detects sd resolution.

DS-2CD2145F-IS
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a312a...._u=h2avq0doc74b

From what I've read in ipcamtalk, someone suggested that i need to change the video profile, and voila nvr detects 720p/1080p.

https://ipcamtalk.com/threads/low-resolutio...cd3345-i.12291/

However, I was unable to view substream in SD, both main/substream was in full hd.
So unless you have powerful connection like time 100mbps upload speed, you won't be able to view the stream smoothly unless you set the bitrate lower.

Now there's been other feedback that said upgrading firmware fixes that, but I won't be doing since mine is multilanguage that would revert back to chinese fimrware once upgraded laugh.gif
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What is the best setup possible to monitor child at another room ?
Preferably with sound capability. Planning to let them sleep by themselves in another room.
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What is the best setup possible to monitor child at another room ?
Preferably with sound capability. Planning to let them sleep by themselves in another room.
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You can use baby monitor with video and WiFi capability.
Example: http://www.dlink.com.my/product/wireless-c...-baby-camera-jr
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QUOTE(alexander3133 @ Jan 18 2017, 09:26 AM)
You can use baby monitor with video and WiFi capability.
Example: http://www.dlink.com.my/product/wireless-c...-baby-camera-jr
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No monitor/speaker provided with the camera. Have to use ipad or iphone to view/hear.
Not a good idea to keep the phone switch on whole night for this purpose.


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QUOTE(alexander3133 @ Jan 17 2017, 10:42 PM)
Firstly, congrats on getting remote view of your house CCTV from your phone.
As mentioned by @alucard89, any DDNS service will do, as long as it works.

For me, wired connection is a safe bet for CCTV, because I can't afford to have lost connection or lost frames.
I will be giving my wireman to wired my house with LAN cable for CCTV, once I start my renovation.

If is just for CCTV with POE, normal Cat5 LAN able is sufficient.
No harm using Cat5e, just that the Cat5e cable might be more expensive than Cat5 cable.

Your NVR specification is here:
http://www1.hikvision.com/cn/prgs_679_i4416.html
Or international version: http://www.hikvision.com/en/Products_acces..._433_i5420.html

I don't see 3MP and I don't see H.265 in the specification, therefore not advisable to get a 3MP or H.265 camera.

Correct me if mistake found.
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Yup agreed that wired connection is the safest bet.

Are there different grades of Cat5 cables?

QUOTE(alucard89 @ Jan 17 2017, 11:08 PM)
Well there is the waterproof connector that's included the camera for poe cables.
Using cat6 cables I got from taobao, definitely cheaper to buy longer cables there.

Better to get nvr that properly supports >4mp and above resolution like these ones

DS-7808N-K2
https://world.taobao.com/item/541903045729....6601.244.gBX9He

https://world.taobao.com/item/535606212602....6601.362.PAEIV3

I tried adding 4mp before to my ds 7108sn but it only detects sd resolution. 

DS-2CD2145F-IS
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a312a...._u=h2avq0doc74b

From what I've read in ipcamtalk, someone suggested that i need to change the video profile, and voila nvr detects 720p/1080p.

https://ipcamtalk.com/threads/low-resolutio...cd3345-i.12291/

However, I was unable to view substream in SD, both main/substream was in full hd.
So unless you have powerful connection like time 100mbps upload speed, you won't be able to view the stream smoothly unless you set the bitrate lower.

Now there's been other feedback that said upgrading firmware fixes that, but I won't be doing since mine is multilanguage that would revert back to chinese fimrware once upgraded  laugh.gif
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Can share what type of Cat6 cables are you using?

Danggg... Means I have to update my DS 7108SN too if i want to use a 3MP and more camera, H265 doesn't seem to be supported as well. Tempted to get one of those. Maybe I have to garage sale my NVR to get a upgraded one.
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QUOTE(longpants @ Jan 18 2017, 11:14 AM)
Yup agreed that wired connection is the safest bet.

Are there different grades of Cat5 cables?
Can share what type of Cat6 cables are you using?

Danggg... Means I have to update my DS 7108SN too if i want to use a 3MP and more camera, H265 doesn't seem to be supported as well. Tempted to get one of those. Maybe I have to garage sale my NVR to get a upgraded one.
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Take a read in Wiki, or any other website.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_5_ca...y.C2.A05_vs._5e

Me too have purchased Cat6 (Cat6a) cable from Taobao, definitely cheaper than getting it in Malaysia.
I bought from this seller:
https://world.taobao.com/item/40197923536.htm

Here are some pictures of my Cat6 cable purchase:
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If you want higher resolution support with H.265, you can get DS-7808N-K2/8P NVR.
I purchased this DS-7808N-K2/8P NVR for my home use.
Price of DS-7808N-K2/8P will be more expensive than the one you have, but I am not sure if the NVR has English language version.
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QUOTE(alexander3133 @ Jan 18 2017, 11:51 AM)
Take a read in Wiki, or any other website.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_5_ca...y.C2.A05_vs._5e

Me too have purchased Cat6 (Cat6a) cable from Taobao, definitely cheaper than getting it in Malaysia.
I bought from this seller:
https://world.taobao.com/item/40197923536.htm

Here are some pictures of my Cat6 cable purchase:
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If you want higher resolution support with H.265, you can get DS-7808N-K2/8P NVR.
I purchased this DS-7808N-K2/8P NVR for my home use.
Price of DS-7808N-K2/8P will be more expensive than the one you have, but I am not sure if the NVR has English language version.
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Which length did you get and how much did it weigh?

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QUOTE(longpants @ Jan 18 2017, 11:14 AM)
Yup agreed that wired connection is the safest bet.

Are there different grades of Cat5 cables?
Can share what type of Cat6 cables are you using?

Danggg... Means I have to update my DS 7108SN too if i want to use a 3MP and more camera, H265 doesn't seem to be supported as well. Tempted to get one of those. Maybe I have to garage sale my NVR to get a upgraded one.
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Any cat6 cable will do, as long it's connected to the poe adapter

Forgot to mention, you can still change to h264 in the settings.
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QUOTE(alucard89 @ Jan 18 2017, 01:18 PM)
Which length did you get and how much did it weigh?
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100m, the seller said 5KG.
I did not weigh the cable, but it did feel like 5kg in my hand.
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QUOTE(alexander3133 @ Jan 18 2017, 11:51 AM)
Take a read in Wiki, or any other website.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_5_ca...y.C2.A05_vs._5e

Me too have purchased Cat6 (Cat6a) cable from Taobao, definitely cheaper than getting it in Malaysia.
I bought from this seller:
https://world.taobao.com/item/40197923536.htm

Here are some pictures of my Cat6 cable purchase:
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If you want higher resolution support with H.265, you can get DS-7808N-K2/8P NVR.
I purchased this DS-7808N-K2/8P NVR for my home use.
Price of DS-7808N-K2/8P will be more expensive than the one you have, but I am not sure if the NVR has English language version.
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I was referring to the types of cable. From the link you sent me, it seems to be a cat6 double insulated cable. Fuyooh looks damn solid.

Yup DS-7808N-K2/8P is selling about CNY800 whereas the DS7108 is about CNY380, which is about two times. Damn.. feel so poisoned to get that one now. Any takers out there for my DS7108SN?

QUOTE(alucard89 @ Jan 18 2017, 01:20 PM)
Any cat6 cable will do, as long it's connected to the poe adapter

Forgot to mention, you can still change to h264 in the settings.
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If I get the DS7808 suggested alexandar3133, one cat6 cable connect to poe camera should be good to gao tim.

And to change from h265 to h264, sayang laa like that. hahaha..
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QUOTE(longpants @ Jan 19 2017, 02:21 PM)
I was referring to the types of cable. From the link you sent me, it seems to be a cat6 double insulated cable. Fuyooh looks damn solid.

Yup DS-7808N-K2/8P is selling about CNY800 whereas the DS7108 is about CNY380, which is about two times. Damn.. feel so poisoned to get that one now. Any takers out there for my DS7108SN?
If I get the DS7808 suggested alexandar3133, one cat6 cable connect to poe camera should be good to gao tim.

And to change from h265 to h264, sayang laa like that. hahaha..
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If you want to save some money, you could get the model without poe ports and just get separate poe adapter.
I think so far advantage with h265 is that they consume less space for the same video quality if encoded with h264
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QUOTE(alexander3133 @ Jan 18 2017, 01:24 PM)
100m, the seller said 5KG.
I did not weigh the cable, but it did feel like 5kg in my hand.
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I might get one from ezbuy prime, definitely save more on shipping
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QUOTE(alucard89 @ Jan 19 2017, 11:29 PM)
I might get one from ezbuy prime, definitely save more on shipping
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I use Taobao direct shipping for this item, and paid only RMB 32 for this, which is 1KG shipping price, I don't know why but this happened.
You can first check how the Taobao direct ship quote the shipping price to you, and then compare to EZbuy prime price, and get one with cheapest total cost.

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QUOTE(alexander3133 @ Jan 20 2017, 06:05 AM)
I use Taobao direct shipping for this item, and paid only RMB 32 for this, which is 1KG shipping price, I don't know why but this happened.
You can first check how the Taobao direct ship quote the shipping price to you, and then compare to EZbuy prime price, and get one with cheapest total cost.

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Oh yeah, the wonders of tgds
My cart keeps default to cargo so I totally forgot about that
Now I just need to learn how to connect the rj45 plugs since I only bought normal cables before laugh.gif

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You could grab from alexander's link or any similar cable from this page

https://world.taobao.com/search/sameSim.htm...0714.0.0.hJN4hv

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QUOTE(alucard89 @ Jan 20 2017, 07:51 AM)
Oh yeah, the wonders of tgds
My cart keeps default to cargo so I totally forgot about that
Now I just need to learn how to connect the rj45 plugs since I only bought normal cables before  laugh.gif

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You could grab from alexander's link or any similar cable from this page

https://world.taobao.com/search/sameSim.htm...0714.0.0.hJN4hv
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Do note that the shipping fee for Taobao direct shipping varies between different products.
My guess is that the seller requires to key the weight of the products they are selling in the system, so that the Taobao direct shipping can estimate the shipping fee.
If let's say the actual product weight 3KG but the seller key in 2KG in the system, the shipping fee may be cheaper in this case.
Therefore not all network cable selling in taobao can enjoy RMB 32 oversea shipping fee if the weight is more than 1KG.
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Waiting for another round to get some more things from taobao after CNY, since now everything is already closed in China.

Anyway, do you guys know what is the difference between 枪机 vs 半球? I'm looking at the 2.8mm lens for wider angle, but it seems only the 半球 type only supports for 2.8mm wide lens..
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枪机 basically means bullet camera, long rectangular type.

半球 means dome camera, half the golf ball shape.

However, please beware on the lens. 2.8mm gives you wider angle, which means more area covered. However, your objects are also smaller.
Try playing with your phone's zoom, when you zoom in, objects are bigger but the covered angle is smaller. Wider angle will give you more coverage but less details.

If you're using the camera solely for viewing purpose, then 2.8mm is good, but if you want details like currency exchange, or any finer details, 2.8mm might not be ideal.
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I'm having issue of unable to switch to sub stream through the IMVS app. But the other camera had no issue to switch between Main and sub stream. Anyone encounter this before?
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Different camera model? Or the same camera model?

Double check under camera encoding and make sure that the sub stream is enabled for that particular channel.
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QUOTE(Cold|Drawn @ Jan 24 2017, 12:17 AM)
Different camera model? Or the same camera model?

Double check under camera encoding and make sure that the sub stream is enabled for that particular channel.
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Both camera are the same model. After I did a force restart through the web configuration and it now it works. And yes, the sub stream is enabled because I can choose up to 3 types of stream from the setting. Main , sub and another 3rd one (Not sure what it meant in mandarin). From the settings I can change the resolution etc. hmmm. Just that from the NVR and IVMS configuration, I wasn't able to select it.
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http://www.haier.net/en/about_haier/news/2...0817_52860.html
Haier Group Wins "CCTV 60 Years-60 Brands" Award
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QUOTE(gomydata @ Jan 24 2017, 04:18 PM)
http://www.haier.net/en/about_haier/news/2...0817_52860.html
Haier Group Wins "CCTV 60 Years-60 Brands" Award
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I think this CCTV is not related to surveillance, but the "China Central Television". They won the brand award.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Central_Television
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I think this CCTV is not related to surveillance, but the "China Central Television". They won the brand award.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Central_Television
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My friends bought one cctv from this brand. Now alarm system is combine with cctv. its means, the cctv you bought actually have a build in alarm system, connecting with bluetooth, wifi and auto calling system direct fromyour phone. It sound interesting and price is much lower.
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Hi all. May i know how to install a remote mic to a router or DVR so that I can remote access to the mic via router or DVR to get the live voice ?

I don't need to connect it to a camera. Just need the voice.

Many thanks

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My cctv stop working and i get this message
"The device is not registered ni the DDNS"
Anyone know what is the problem?
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For 4 wire LAN cable, is this good enough to transmit power when connected POE ports/adapter?

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Or needs 8 wire LAN cable?

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I just received my cat 6a cable last week and connect Camera and NVR through poe, no issue. the cable i bought got 8 wires only though. But yours the picture below got like 10 wires in them. What are those for?!

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a312a...._u=221qoqco1289

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QUOTE(longpants @ Mar 2 2017, 11:41 PM)
alucard89
I just received my cat 6a cable last week and connect Camera and NVR through poe, no issue. the cable i bought got 8 wires only though. But yours the picture below got like 10 wires in them. What are those for?!

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a312a...._u=221qoqco1289
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I'm not sure about those 2 extra wires, just some random snapshot i took from product page

Just checked my poe adapter cables and apparently only has 4 wires inside. Guess it's more than enough

Btw, for the hikvision camera you're using with chinese firmware. Are the days displayed also in chinese, or do you just enable display for date? Was your nvr multilanguage or chinese only, forgot already ar

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QUOTE(alucard89 @ Mar 2 2017, 10:52 PM)
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For 4 wire LAN cable, is this good enough to transmit power when connected POE ports/adapter?

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Or needs 8 wire LAN cable?

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Honestly I do not know if 4 wires LAN cable will work for POE, best is to get the 8 wires LAN cable.
If you have cost concern, just get the normal 8 wires Cat5 LAN cable, it will work with POE.

According to Wikipedia, POE is achievable using 4 wires LAN cable, but only on 10/100 mode A.
Again I don't know what your POE port/adapter uses which mode, to be on the safe side, just get the 8 wires LAN cable.

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The 10 wires cable picture you posted is actually 8 wires normal LAN cable + 2 wires power line, merged into a "single" cable. Normally you would use this if your setup or device does not support POE, hence you have to use normal power lines to power up your device.
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QUOTE(alexander3133 @ Jan 18 2017, 11:51 AM)
Take a read in Wiki, or any other website.


Me too have purchased Cat6 (Cat6a) cable from Taobao, definitely cheaper than getting it in Malaysia.
I bought from this seller:
[url=


Here are some pictures of my Cat6 cable purchase:
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If you want higher resolution support with H.265, you can get [url=[/url] NVR.
I purchased this DS-7808N-K2/8P NVR for my home use.
Price of DS-7808N-K2/8P will be more expensive than the one you have, but I am not sure if the NVR has English language version.
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Bro, are you able to checkout with TGDS option?
I tried using your link, but now it won't let me use TGDS
Only consolidate option

This one -> https://world.taobao.com/item/40197923536.htm
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QUOTE(alucard89 @ Mar 3 2017, 11:00 AM)
Bro, are you able to checkout with TGDS option?
I tried using your link, but now it won't let me use TGDS
Only consolidate option

This one -> https://world.taobao.com/item/40197923536.htm
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I tried too and no matter how, does not have TGDS option.
Looks like they found out and took away TGDS for this item, no more cheap shipping fee bye.gif
No choice but to looks for alternative, get from other seller or use EZbuy prime on item similar to this.
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QUOTE(alucard89 @ Mar 2 2017, 11:52 PM)
I'm not sure about those 2 extra wires, just some random snapshot i took from product page

Just checked my poe adapter cables and apparently only has 4 wires inside. Guess it's more than enough

Btw, for the hikvision camera you're using with chinese firmware. Are the days displayed also in chinese, or do you just enable display for date? Was your nvr multilanguage or chinese only, forgot already ar
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How does a poe adapter cable look like?

The hikvision cameras are chinese firmware. NVR is multi-language. The dates are all displayed in chinese.

I just bought 6 more Hikvision cameras. Going to DIY wire up my house soon and connect them. I hope the NVR is able to power all 8 cameras at once though. Was thinking of upgrading to k2/8p version.

Luckily I just bought the cables through TGDS last week . 100M of it. Seems quite heavy.
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QUOTE(alexander3133 @ Mar 3 2017, 12:31 PM)
I tried too and no matter how, does not have TGDS option.
Looks like they found out and took away TGDS for this item, no more cheap shipping fee  bye.gif
No choice but to looks for alternative, get from other seller or use EZbuy prime on item similar to this.
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I think they started today disabling from TGDS because yesterday I was still able to checkout items to estimate the shipping price sad.gif
Guess I'll have to go with ezbuy prime
This one seems to be cheapest so far

https://ezbuy.my/product/20000004385338.html
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QUOTE(longpants @ Mar 3 2017, 02:01 PM)
How does a poe adapter cable look like?

The hikvision cameras are chinese firmware. NVR is multi-language. The dates are all displayed in chinese.

I just bought 6 more Hikvision cameras. Going to DIY wire up my house soon and connect them. I hope the NVR is able to power all 8 cameras at once though. Was thinking of upgrading to k2/8p version.

Luckily I just bought the cables through TGDS last week . 100M of it. Seems quite heavy.
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Like this one
http://h5.m.taobao.com/awp/core/detail.htm...388&toSite=main

Which models you got for 6 more units?

Btw, how's detection so far for motion detection?
Do you use email notification with pictures/ivms app or both?
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Like this one
http://h5.m.taobao.com/awp/core/detail.htm...388&toSite=main

Which models you got for 6 more units?

Btw, how's detection so far for motion detection?
Do you use email notification with pictures/ivms app or both?
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I got three types, 2 each.
- 3MP
- 2MP
- 2MP with audio

I've never used motion detection before so I cannot comment. You tried?
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Anybody DIY their house with CCTV before? Should I use a conduit or cover to shield my cctv cables? What are the types of conduits available to use?
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Not DIY, but currently doing renovation.
I asked my wireman to setup CCTV cabling in my house, they use conduit for CCTV cables.

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Not DIY, but currently doing renovation.
I asked my wireman to setup CCTV cabling in my house, they use conduit for CCTV cables.

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I see. I am planning to DIY myself. So have to buy conduit myself and all. So want to know roughly how the wiring should be done.
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Is there any analogue DVR still available in the market?
Mine is spoiled, and contractor tell me need to replace the whole system as the current market DVR all are in HD which my current analogue cameras will not work with it.
How true is this?
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Hi, i am planning to install cctv for my new house but i have no knowledge on this.
May i know how you all install the cctv? DIY or ask the seller install for you?
If i ask my electrician to place the Cat6 cable first then only ask the CCTV seller help me install, will it cause any issue and will it cost cheaper? Thank you.
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QUOTE(alexander3133 @ Mar 7 2017, 07:13 AM)
Not DIY, but currently doing renovation.
I asked my wireman to setup CCTV cabling in my house, they use conduit for CCTV cables.

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Hi, you don't conceal CCTV cabling inside wall/ceiling? Is there any special reason?
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I got three types, 2 each.
- 3MP
- 2MP
- 2MP with audio

I've never used motion detection before so I cannot comment. You tried?
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Setting it up with motion detection is pretty easy, and it sends alert to ivms app. I just can't seem to get email alerts working properly, might have to do something with DS 7108 firmware.
Also for your DS 7108 POE model, do you still need router to provide IP address? Or just use crossover cable for if you're setting up CCTV without router?

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Hi, i am planning to install cctv for my new house but i have no knowledge on this.
May i know how you all install the cctv? DIY or ask the seller install for you?
If i ask my electrician to place the Cat6 cable first then only ask the CCTV seller help me install, will it cause any issue and will it cost cheaper? Thank you.
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Setting up your cameras with decoder is not that difficult.
Just the wiring that can be a bit tedious since you need to run the cables thru the ceilings and across different rooms.

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Hi, you don't conceal CCTV cabling inside wall/ceiling? Is there any special reason?
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Hi, my CCTV cables do not get concealed on the ceiling wall, but did conceal on the normal partition wall.
My wireman say there is no need to conceal on ceiling because I will be having plaster ceiling to cover the wiring.

Previous photo was still under construction.
Here is the latest photo.

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Setting it up with motion detection is pretty easy, and it sends alert to ivms app. I just can't seem to get email alerts working properly, might have to do something with DS 7108 firmware.
Also for your DS 7108 POE model, do you still need router to provide IP address? Or just use crossover cable for if you're setting up CCTV without router?
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I got email alert working on Gmail few months ago on my relative's CCTV setup, you will have to turn on "Less secure apps" access for your gmail setting for it to work. But recently looks like the email alert does not work again, not sure what is the problem but I have no time to look at it.

For my own POE CCTV setup, I connect cameras directly to the recorder unit using straight through cable, working well.
When connect the recorder to router, the router will assign an local IP address to the recorder unit automatically when your DHCP is enabled. I will normally reserved a fixed local IP for my CCTV recorder so that I know what is the IP address always.
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Is there any analogue DVR still available in the market?
Mine is spoiled, and contractor tell me need to replace the whole system as the current market DVR all are in HD which my current analogue cameras will not work with it.
How true is this?
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yes, analog is quite hard to find in the market already.

but newer recorders are pentabrid, can support all range of signal from TVI, CVI, AHD, CVBS (analog) and also IP.

So, if your recorder KO, then consider getting a 5-in-1 recorder.
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Hi, my CCTV cables do not get concealed on the ceiling wall, but did conceal on the normal partition wall.
My wireman say there is no need to conceal on ceiling because I will be having plaster ceiling to cover the wiring.

Previous photo was still under construction.
Here is the latest photo.

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Hi, such cabling method is normal.

Cablemen usually do not conceal the whole stretch of cable as there's no point in doing so, well... unless you don't plan to have a plaster ceiling, then they will need to hack and patch the whole wiring route.
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QUOTE(alexander3133 @ Mar 9 2017, 09:46 PM)
I got email alert working on Gmail few months ago on my relative's CCTV setup, you will have to turn on "Less secure apps" access for your gmail setting for it to work. But recently looks like the email alert does not work again, not sure what is the problem but I have no time to look at it.

For my own POE CCTV setup, I connect cameras directly to the recorder unit using straight through cable, working well.
When connect the recorder to router, the router will assign an local IP address to the recorder unit automatically when your DHCP is enabled. I will normally reserved a fixed local IP for my CCTV recorder so that I know what is the IP address always.
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Also, remember to set the motion detection settings such as:

1. sensitivity
2. detection area

having the camera being too sensitive at all areas will eventually flood your mail. If Gmail senses that your email is being used to constantly spam mails, it will block your outgoing as well.

If I remember correctly it should be a couple of hundred mails per day quota only.
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QUOTE(ken_zen @ Mar 9 2017, 06:52 PM)
Hi, i am planning to install cctv for my new house but i have no knowledge on this.
May i know how you all install the cctv? DIY or ask the seller install for you?
If i ask my electrician to place the Cat6 cable first then only ask the CCTV seller help me install, will it cause any issue and will it cost cheaper? Thank you.
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In short, you better make sure that your electrician does a good job.
Or otherwise, when the CCTV guy comes and install only to find out the cabling errors, then you're going to have a tough time.

Nowadays I believe CCTV guys doing everything altogether shouldn't be too costly.
Do update us more on what you need, so that we can advise you better?
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Also, remember to set the motion detection settings such as:

1. sensitivity
2. detection area

having the camera being too sensitive at all areas will eventually flood your mail. If Gmail senses that your email is being used to constantly spam mails, it will block your outgoing as well.

If I remember correctly it should be a couple of hundred mails per day quota only.
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Thanks for the tips, maybe which is why the email alert stops working even though the "Less Secure App" access remains turned on.
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QUOTE(alucard89 @ Mar 9 2017, 07:05 PM)
Setting it up with motion detection is pretty easy, and it sends alert to ivms app. I just can't seem to get email alerts working properly, might have to do something with DS 7108 firmware.
Also for your DS 7108 POE model, do you still need router to provide IP address? Or just use crossover cable for if you're setting up CCTV without router?
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As far as I know, the NVR is the one providing IP address for the cameras. I set all the cams on DHCP mode. So I guess the NVR is the one that assigns the IP address for the cameras. The NVR is connected to wireless router using straight thru cable only. I never set any crossover cable. How's your setup like?

See my setup as below:

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As far as I know, the NVR is the one providing IP address for the cameras. I set all the cams on DHCP mode. So I guess the NVR is the one that assigns the IP address for the cameras. The NVR is connected to wireless router using straight thru cable only. I never set any crossover cable. How's your setup like?

See my setup as below:

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My setup similar to yours
I'm curious to see if your nvr can still detect those ip cameras without a router in the setup
Can't really test it myself since I don't have nvr with poe ports (i have separate poe adapters)
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My setup similar to yours
I'm curious to see if your nvr can still detect those ip cameras without a router in the setup
Can't really test it myself since I don't have nvr with poe ports (i have separate poe adapters)
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Yes, the NVR definitely can connect to those IP cameras without a router. I think the NVR itself is a network switch +recording capabilities + POE. So 1 cable connect straight to NVR for power and data. But with this setup I am not able to access to full camera settings (i.e. WDR) via the NVR. I have to either plug them back into the router to change these WDR settings. or another way is to connect the nvr back to nvr port and router to nvr port. Is your camera not being able to be detected by the NVR?
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QUOTE(enriquelee @ Mar 9 2017, 05:05 PM)
Is there any analogue DVR still available in the market?
Mine is spoiled, and contractor tell me need to replace the whole system as the current market DVR all are in HD which my current analogue cameras will not work with it.
How true is this?
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If ur Analog Camera still working, can buy the latest DVR.. AHD/TVI/CVI, all these DVRs can backward support old analog camera. We are selling the DVR, if u want can PM me.
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QUOTE(ken_zen @ Mar 9 2017, 06:52 PM)
Hi, i am planning to install cctv for my new house but i have no knowledge on this.
May i know how you all install the cctv? DIY or ask the seller install for you?
If i ask my electrician to place the Cat6 cable first then only ask the CCTV seller help me install, will it cause any issue and will it cost cheaper? Thank you.
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Actually nowadays, a lot good and cheap system use Coax cable (RG59 / RG6), like TVI, CVI, AHD..
Still, if u lay CAT6, then u hv 1 more option, which is IP, by adding balun, TVI, CVI, AHD can run on Network cable also.

U can ask wireman to lay cable 1st, then buy system from CCTV seller, cost will be cheaper also. But make sure before ur wireman lay the cable, get consultation from cctv seller, like camera location, dvr location, what cable to use, etc...

Anyway, if ur house at klang valley, we can help u too.. :-)
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QUOTE(Cold|Drawn @ Mar 9 2017, 09:47 PM)
yes, analog is quite hard to find in the market already.

but newer recorders are pentabrid, can support all range of signal from TVI, CVI, AHD, CVBS (analog) and also IP.

So, if your recorder KO, then consider getting a 5-in-1 recorder.
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Yes, all the cameras are still working well.
Any idea how much is the 5-in-1 recorder?

QUOTE(idealhometech @ Mar 10 2017, 12:01 AM)
If ur Analog Camera still working, can buy the latest DVR.. AHD/TVI/CVI, all these DVRs can backward support old analog camera. We are selling the DVR, if u want can PM me.
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My wireman has wired RG59 and power cables to 4 locations ( 2 outdoor and 2 indoors) the coax and power cables all come to the living room where the decoder and power supply is to be fixed.

Can you recommend me a budget friendly 4 channel CCTV with the following requirements:

HD CVI or TVI
2 bullets for outdoor weather and waterproof and 2 dome for indoor with high resolution 4MP or above available? With IR for night vision too.
A 4MP or above recorder with 25fps recording and playback for ALL 4 channels at MAXIMUM HD resolution.
A suitable surveillance hard disk
Power supply for the 4 cameras

Feel free to recommend something else if the above is not viable. But would prefer the above if possible.

Since the wiring is all ready, all I need is simple service to attach the cameras to the walls/ceiling which is at conveniently accessible locations and plugging in the decoder and power supply. Should be a 30 minutes job. How much do you charge for this simple installation service? Please breakdown the installation separately as I want to know if I can DIY.
Please provide the model numbers of the recorder and cameras too.
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My wireman has wired RG59 and power cables to 4 locations ( 2 outdoor and 2 indoors) the coax and power cables all come to the living room where the decoder and power supply is to be fixed.

Can you recommend me a budget friendly 4 channel CCTV with the following requirements:

HD CVI or TVI
2 bullets for outdoor weather and waterproof and 2 dome for indoor with high resolution 4MP or above available? With IR for night vision too.
A 4MP or above recorder with 25fps recording and playback for ALL 4 channels at MAXIMUM HD resolution.
A suitable surveillance hard disk
Power supply for the 4 cameras

Feel free to recommend something else if the above is not viable. But would prefer the above if possible.

Since the wiring is all ready, all I need is  simple service to attach the cameras to the walls/ceiling which is at conveniently accessible locations and plugging in the decoder and power supply. Should be a 30 minutes job. How much do you charge for this simple installation service? Please breakdown the installation separately as I want to know if I can DIY.
Please provide the model numbers of the recorder and cameras too.
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Budget System is 2Megapixel, 3Megapixel above will be expensive.
Also, DVR nowadays max 1080P@25fps Real Time Record.. For those 3Mpx/4Mpx DVR, only 15fps Record.

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QUOTE(idealhometech @ Mar 10 2017, 12:16 PM)
Budget System is 2Megapixel, 3Megapixel above will be expensive.
Also, DVR nowadays max 1080P@25fps Real Time Record.. For those 3Mpx/4Mpx DVR, only 15fps Record.
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Ideally budget is 1mp, but different people's term of budget can sometimes vary. Hahahaha

There're recorders that can record 4mp at real time 25fps, it's just that the price is more expensive.

I feel 15fps is justifiable, if it's not for a high traffic area. At the end of the day, more frames means occupying more space. So, be ready to fork out more for hard disk if 4mp real time is needed.
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Hi, anyone has a good contractor for installing camera? I would like to install 1 camera for my porch....
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you can diy.Long run cheaper and easy maintenance by yourself.
-for a start get a hikvision 3mp poe for usd70-75 each.(purchase from aliexpress or ebay)
-cat6 lan cable.
-a 2 disk synology nas comes with 2 licences(very good surveillance software,motion detection by email,
DS cam-apps for android and ios-live stream
-maybe a 8 port gigabit switch for future cameras expansion.
I do all my own setup.
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QUOTE(lleihuan @ Mar 12 2017, 06:59 AM)
you can diy.Long run cheaper and easy maintenance by yourself.
-for a start get a hikvision 3mp poe for usd70-75 each.(purchase from aliexpress or ebay)
-cat6 lan cable.
-a 2 disk synology nas comes with 2 licences(very good surveillance software,motion detection by email,
DS cam-apps for android and ios-live stream
-maybe a 8 port gigabit switch for future cameras expansion.
I do all my own setup.
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trust me.quite simple.you get a good recording unit in the 2 disk synology. then you get to buy original hard disk.it is always difficult when you start.if you get contractor,you will get frustrated when your recording unit fail and your contractor takes 3-5 days to come to your house.which actually take 1/2 to 1 hour to get it back running.
this is my past experience.
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QUOTE(longpants @ Mar 9 2017, 11:34 PM)
Yes, the NVR definitely can connect to those IP cameras without a router. I think the NVR itself is a network switch +recording capabilities + POE. So 1 cable connect straight to NVR for power and data. But with this setup I am not able to access to full camera settings (i.e. WDR) via the NVR. I have to either plug them back into the router to change these WDR settings. or another way is to connect the nvr back to nvr port and router to nvr port.  Is your camera not being able to be detected by the NVR?
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I'll be testing that once I get home.
It's just that i read how you need one of those cross cable lan if you wanna use without router (didn't really mention it was POE NVR or not)
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QUOTE(lleihuan @ Mar 12 2017, 06:59 AM)
you can diy.Long run cheaper and easy maintenance by yourself.
-for a start get a hikvision 3mp poe for usd70-75 each.(purchase from aliexpress or ebay)
-cat6 lan cable.
-a 2 disk synology nas comes with 2 licences(very good surveillance software,motion detection by email,
DS cam-apps for android and ios-live stream
-maybe a 8 port gigabit switch for future cameras expansion.
I do all my own setup.
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Synology that good?
License fee is just too expensive for each camera (rm240)
Have you tried other alternatives like kerbio, motion eye, zoneminder?
You mean normal gigabit switch or poe gigabit switch?
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You're using wifi ip camera or wired ones?
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well i prefer less wire management... so maybe any good wireless camera to recommend?
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I'd recommend foscam c2/iq200 but for some reason the price has tripled since last time I bought it, not sure why
1080p, got rtsp, email alerts and everything else

There's also xiaomi cameras, got apps but it's pretty locked down (no rtsp, email, just app alerts)
You're aiming to use with nvr or just store videos on ipcam's sdcard?
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QUOTE(lleihuan @ Mar 12 2017, 06:59 AM)
you can diy.Long run cheaper and easy maintenance by yourself.
-for a start get a hikvision 3mp poe for usd70-75 each.(purchase from aliexpress or ebay)
-cat6 lan cable.
-a 2 disk synology nas comes with 2 licences(very good surveillance software,motion detection by email,
DS cam-apps for android and ios-live stream
-maybe a 8 port gigabit switch for future cameras expansion.
I do all my own setup.
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Synology. Something new to me. It supports Hikvision cameras? Sounds like a NAS + cloud storage. You don't use an NVR?


QUOTE(alucard89 @ Mar 12 2017, 08:10 PM)
I'll be testing that once I get home.
It's just that i read how you need one of those cross cable lan if you wanna use without router (didn't really mention it was POE NVR or not)
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Lets say if you use Cross cable LAN on your NVR without router, does that mean you connect the NVR straight to a PC not router?

QUOTE(alucard89 @ Mar 12 2017, 08:19 PM)
Synology that good?
License fee is just too expensive for each camera (rm240)
Have you tried other alternatives like kerbio, motion eye, zoneminder?
You mean normal gigabit switch or poe gigabit switch?
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Mind sharing what are kerbio, motion eye and zoneminder? Are they like 3rd party surveillance apps? Anyway, I tried using the Hikvision motion detection thingy, can't seem to have any notification to the IVMS app.. not sure whether I am doing it right.
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I'd recommend foscam c2/iq200 but for some reason the price has tripled since last time I bought it, not sure why
1080p, got rtsp, email alerts and everything else

There's also xiaomi cameras, got apps but it's pretty locked down (no rtsp, email, just app alerts)
You're aiming to use with nvr or just store videos on ipcam's sdcard?
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well i just use to store videos in case someone accidentally bang my car... i dont really use the live feed...
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Hi, anyone has a good contractor for installing camera? I would like to install 1 camera for my porch....
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Most importantly, do you have a particular budget in mind?
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Synology. Something new to me. It supports Hikvision cameras? Sounds like a NAS + cloud storage. You don't use an NVR?
Lets say if you use Cross cable LAN on your NVR without router, does that mean you connect the NVR straight to a PC not router?
Mind sharing what are kerbio, motion eye and zoneminder? Are they like 3rd party surveillance apps? Anyway, I tried using the Hikvision motion detection thingy, can't seem to have any notification to the IVMS app.. not sure whether I am doing it right.
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QUOTE(alucard89 @ Mar 12 2017, 08:19 PM)
Synology that good?
License fee is just too expensive for each camera (rm240)
Have you tried other alternatives like kerbio, motion eye, zoneminder?
You mean normal gigabit switch or poe gigabit switch?
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it is really good.after watching my friends spending 5-7K.giving up after 2 years.one of the reason high electricity bill.synology is low powered energy saving.
the thing with synology's surveillance camera,there are constant software support.my personal opinion ,that is the most important.as for the license.it gave you 2 free license when you purchase a unit.you can get a 4 license package from lazada-with some bank promotion,you get a good bargain.
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Most importantly, do you have a particular budget in mind?
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Any budget as long as reasonable and less wire management..
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QUOTE(t3n @ Mar 13 2017, 07:54 AM)
Any budget as long as reasonable and less wire management..
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hmm, it depends if you really want to go budget.

I'd say probably around less than RM800 with the hardware and wire, that's inclusive of:

1. 4ch recorder x 1
2. surveillance hdd (seagate skyhawk 1tb) x 1
3. camera x 1
4. power adaptor 12v 2 a x 1
5. coax/network cable x 1
6. necessary connectors

now, the cost to further add on cameras is cheaper as you are purchasing a 4ch capacity recorder but only utilizing one.

as of wired vs wireless, honestly if your place has plaster ceiling. Then I'd really prefer to go wired since you can hide your cables.
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QUOTE(longpants @ Mar 12 2017, 11:46 PM)
Synology. Something new to me. It supports Hikvision cameras? Sounds like a NAS + cloud storage. You don't use an NVR?
Lets say if you use Cross cable LAN on your NVR without router, does that mean you connect the NVR straight to a PC not router?
Mind sharing what are kerbio, motion eye and zoneminder? Are they like 3rd party surveillance apps? Anyway, I tried using the Hikvision motion detection thingy, can't seem to have any notification to the IVMS app.. not sure whether I am doing it right.
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I don't really intend to connect to pc, just cameras directly to nvr.

Kerbio and others are linux based surveillance apps that support any 3rd party cameras.
You can install on boards like raspberry pi for minimum power consumption. i tested zoneminder, motioneye back then but there was thjs few seconds delay with full hd live stream (especially when you enable motion detection).
Not sure if they've improved now.
Kerbio is new app that looks interesting and i haven't try it out yet

For ivms, did you add your dns or home ip address for your nvr in the setting? For me what I did was add the actual ip address for nvr at home, enable alarm.
Then replace the ip address with dns name.
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QUOTE(t3n @ Mar 12 2017, 11:47 PM)
well i just use to store videos in case someone accidentally bang my car... i dont really use the live feed...
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So you plan to place the camera near your gate?

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Do you park your car outside your house?
So you plan to place the camera near your gate?
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Yeap 1 car inside 1 car outside.. i plan to install at the porch where i can see both car..
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QUOTE(Cold|Drawn @ Mar 13 2017, 10:57 AM)
hmm, it depends if you really want to go budget.

I'd say probably around less than RM800 with  the hardware and wire, that's inclusive of:

1. 4ch recorder x 1
2. surveillance hdd (seagate skyhawk 1tb) x 1
3. camera x 1
4. power adaptor 12v 2 a x 1
5. coax/network cable x 1
6. necessary connectors

now, the cost to further add on cameras is cheaper as you are purchasing a 4ch capacity recorder but only utilizing one.

as of wired vs wireless, honestly if your place has plaster ceiling. Then I'd really prefer to go wired since you can hide your cables.
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Is there any shop that can do all this? I kinda busy to figure out this myself..
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QUOTE(lleihuan @ Mar 13 2017, 06:15 AM)
it is really good.after watching my friends spending 5-7K.giving up after 2 years.one of the reason high electricity bill.synology is low powered energy saving.
the thing with synology's surveillance camera,there are constant software support.my personal opinion ,that is the most important.as for the license.it gave you 2 free license when you purchase a unit.you can get a 4 license package from lazada-with some bank promotion,you get a good bargain.
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Have you tried other linux based surveillance software?
How would you compare them with synology?

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Yeap 1 car inside 1 car outside.. i plan to install at the porch where i can see both car..
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Then you properly don't need the whole setup.
One wifi camera should be enough.
There's xiaomi mijia with 360 degree rotation if want to monitor at different angle
One more is xiofang for around rm100, records in 1080p, got smoke detector built in too.

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Then you properly don't need the whole setup.
One wifi camera should be enough.
There's xiaomi mijia with 360 degree rotation if want to monitor at different angle
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Xiaomi mijia and yi is different?
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Xiaomi mijia and yi is different?
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Different but still using the same mi home app.
Also, If wall outlet a bit too far from the camera location, you could just grab usb cable extender.
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QUOTE(alucard89 @ Mar 13 2017, 11:45 AM)
Different but still using the same mi home app.
Also, If wall outlet a bit too far from the camera location, you could just grab usb cable extender.
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Ok thanks.. my wall outlet a little bit too far.. hehe
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just curious...how much does the bill will go up with 13 cctv?
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QUOTE(alucard89 @ Mar 13 2017, 11:35 AM)
Then you properly don't need the whole setup.
One wifi camera should be enough.
There's xiaomi mijia with 360 degree rotation if want to monitor at different angle
One more is xiofang for around rm100, records in 1080p, got smoke detector built in too.
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seriously?Outdoor?xiaomi mijia?no IP66?
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seriously?Outdoor?xiaomi mijia?no IP66?
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Oh yeah, it doesn't
For me I did install yi home 720p at my porch and still working for the last 2 years since it's placed at location where it's protected by rain/other weather conditionns
Do share if you have better recommendation for wifi camera
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Oh yeah, it doesn't
For me I did install yi home 720p at my porch and still working for the last 2 years since it's placed at location where it's protected by rain/other weather conditionns
Do share if you have better recommendation for wifi camera
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QUOTE(idealhometech @ Mar 10 2017, 12:07 AM)
Actually nowadays, a lot good and cheap system use Coax cable (RG59 / RG6), like TVI, CVI, AHD..
Still, if u lay CAT6, then u hv 1 more option, which is IP, by adding balun, TVI, CVI, AHD can run on Network cable also.

U can ask wireman to lay cable 1st, then buy system from CCTV seller, cost will be cheaper also. But make sure before ur wireman lay the cable, get consultation from cctv seller, like camera location, dvr location, what cable to use, etc...

Anyway, if ur house at klang valley, we can help u too.. :-)
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seriously?Outdoor?xiaomi mijia?no IP66?
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Outdoor home series wireless IP cameras are rather expensive, if you're looking for Dlink or TP-link.

Alternatively, if you are looking for chinese products such as Dahua or Hikvision, it will be cheaper.
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QUOTE(Cold|Drawn @ Mar 14 2017, 01:47 PM)
Outdoor home series wireless IP cameras are rather expensive, if you're looking for Dlink or TP-link.

Alternatively, if you are looking for chinese products such as Dahua or Hikvision, it will be cheaper.
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Fully agreed with you.I am using cheap chinese hikvision wired 2cd2032F-1(3MP) and served me (never believe in wireless, with my old asus rt-n66u). indoor camera really are not meant for outdoor.
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Have anyone used PoE splitter before?

I am trying to connect non-POE camera to NVR which supports PoE. But then I bought two poe splitters from taobao recently, seems like fried after i plug them into the NVR.

NVR 7108N-SN/P
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QUOTE(longpants @ Apr 2 2017, 11:19 PM)
Have anyone used PoE splitter before?

I am trying to connect non-POE camera to NVR which supports PoE. But then I bought two poe splitters from taobao recently, seems like fried after i plug them into the NVR.

NVR 7108N-SN/P
Camera DS-IPC-B32-I3
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https://world.taobao.com/item/526279954114....59727.16.XJY3At
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Using that for almost all my camera setup
But i only connect to external poe switch, don't have nvr with poe ports
Btw, can you connect to ezviz cloud on your nvr?
Just tested digi broadband, portforwarding is blocked by default. But if nvr connect to cloud, then no problem to view live stream outside home network
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QUOTE(alucard89 @ Apr 3 2017, 10:08 AM)
Using that for almost all my camera setup
But i only connect to external poe switch, don't have nvr with poe ports
Btw, can you connect to ezviz cloud on your nvr?
Just tested digi broadband, portforwarding is blocked by default. But if nvr connect to cloud, then no problem to view live stream outside home network
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Are there difference types for poe splitters in the market? There's like 48v to 12v etc etc.. From PoE enabled NVR to non PoE camera, any idea what should I use?

I have never used ezviz cloud before. I only use IVMS app on my iphone to view the cameras. Any differences using ezviz cloud?
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QUOTE(longpants @ Apr 3 2017, 01:49 PM)
Are there difference types for poe splitters in the market? There's like 48v to 12v etc etc.. From PoE enabled NVR to non PoE camera, any idea what should I use?

I have never used ezviz cloud before. I only use IVMS app on my iphone to view the cameras. Any differences using ezviz cloud?
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You are asking PoE NVR to Non-PoE IPCam, then you need to buy PoE IEEE 802.3af Splitter, Output must be 12V (Some big or PTZ Cam, use 24V). And check how many Watt also. Must match with your camera Voltage (V) and Power Consumption (W), if camera 4W, so ur Splitter must output at least 4W, or 0.33A.. (4W/12V = 0.33A)

IVMS is HIKVISION App, EZVIZ is P2P Cloud by HIKVISION and IVMS also support EZVIZ, using that, u no need DDNS and Port Forwarding. Suitable for those who use mobile broadband which don't hv public IP. Downside is, a bit slow compare to Public IP DDNS, and app/web playback no fast forward.




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QUOTE(idealhometech @ Apr 4 2017, 10:03 AM)
You are asking PoE NVR to Non-PoE IPCam, then you need to buy PoE IEEE 802.3af Splitter, Output must be 12V (Some big or PTZ Cam, use 24V). And check how many Watt also. Must match with your camera Voltage (V) and Power Consumption (W), if camera 4W, so ur Splitter must output at least 4W, or 0.33A.. (4W/12V = 0.33A)

IVMS is HIKVISION App, EZVIZ is P2P Cloud by HIKVISION and IVMS also support EZVIZ, using that, u no need DDNS and Port Forwarding. Suitable for those who use mobile broadband which don't hv public IP. Downside is, a bit slow compare to Public IP DDNS, and app/web playback no fast forward.
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I'm still trying to figure out what kind of PoE splitter I need. Cos the last two splitter that I bought spoilt after plugging into the NVR. Maybe over voltage or whatever.

I heard ezviz cloud not so secure so dont dare to use. ahahahhaa. But so far DDNS/port forwarding seems to work for me.

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QUOTE(idealhometech @ Apr 4 2017, 10:03 AM)
You are asking PoE NVR to Non-PoE IPCam, then you need to buy PoE IEEE 802.3af Splitter, Output must be 12V (Some big or PTZ Cam, use 24V). And check how many Watt also. Must match with your camera Voltage (V) and Power Consumption (W), if camera 4W, so ur Splitter must output at least 4W, or 0.33A.. (4W/12V = 0.33A)

IVMS is HIKVISION App, EZVIZ is P2P Cloud by HIKVISION and IVMS also support EZVIZ, using that, u no need DDNS and Port Forwarding. Suitable for those who use mobile broadband which don't hv public IP. Downside is, a bit slow compare to Public IP DDNS, and app/web playback no fast forward.
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And not always works for P2P for mobile broadband, they capped the speed at certain time.


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anyone here using 4mp dahua or hikvision ip cam? can share video footage (with people passing by)? 10-30 seconds are enough. preferably non converted video file with that proprietary player.

thanks very much.

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Here is another worm if your cctv are not secured. Welcome of using China cheap brand cctv... Most if not all China cheap brand have the password hardcoded inside.

https://arstechnica.com/security/2017/04/vi...an-hijack-them/
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Ouch... time to check if your CCTV's are secured
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I'm using REOLINK RLC-410s. I can get 4MP@30fps.
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Ouch... time to check if your CCTV's are secured
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Need to ask again. I have 2 areas in my apt that i had prepped for wireless cctv during reno time, i.e. i had fixed socket there. After a year I have not fixed cctv. Initially was going for Sharp SmartHome but I now want to explore cheaper option. Any recommendation for decent cctv and similar features to Sharp?

Also, I now keep fearing that anyone can easily unplug my cctv since the socket plug is just nxt to it, even though it's quite high up on the wall.

I dont want to do hacking on my walls now as ut'll be messy so I suppose wireless is the only option right?
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Anyone can help with my hikvision NVR which i recently change to maxis and is not working with IVMS.
Already asked maxis to open up public IP but still not working.
Internal Wifi can view remotely but once change to mobile data it will not work on remote viewing via IVMS
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Anyone can help with my hikvision NVR which i recently change to maxis and is not working with IVMS.
Already asked maxis to open up public IP but still not working.
Internal Wifi can view remotely but once change to mobile data it will not work on remote viewing via IVMS
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Have you setup porforwarding on your router?
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Anyone can help with my hikvision NVR which i recently change to maxis and is not working with IVMS.
Already asked maxis to open up public IP but still not working.
Internal Wifi can view remotely but once change to mobile data it will not work on remote viewing via IVMS
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1. Make sure u get Public IP. Call Maxis to get that, FOC.
2. Configure the DDNS in your router, or use HIK HiDDNS, setup in DVR.
3. Port Forwarding - go to 192.168.1.254 > Toolbox > Game and Application Sharing > Create New Game or Application > Assign Game or Application to Device


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Hello guy...need some advise from sifu here...
1) should i be worry about lighthing strike or power surge for analog HD outdoor cctv system?

2) is it wise to opt for PTZ camera to cover 180' viewing angle on rotational basis or better get 2 bullet cam which could cover those angle permanently?
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QUOTE(honkkydorry @ Apr 24 2017, 11:27 AM)
Need to ask again.  I have 2 areas in my apt that i had prepped for wireless cctv during reno time, i.e. i had fixed socket there. After a year I have not fixed cctv. Initially was going for Sharp SmartHome but I now want to explore cheaper option.  Any recommendation for decent cctv and similar features to Sharp?

Also, I now keep fearing that anyone can easily unplug my cctv since the socket plug is just nxt to it, even though it's quite high up on the wall.

I dont want to do hacking on my walls now as ut'll be messy so I suppose wireless is the only option right?
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Can anyone recommend me cctv brands that has the following criteria

1. Wireless
2. Offers cloud storage, preferably as a package with the camera. Any additional storage required, I will subscribe.
3. Can view from mobile phone
4. Only records when there is movement
5. 180-degree angle viewing and recording
6. Budget around RM500
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QUOTE(silverbolt143 @ May 16 2017, 11:00 PM)
Hello guy...need some advise from sifu here...
1) should i be worry about lighthing strike or power surge for analog HD outdoor cctv system?

2) is it wise to opt for PTZ camera to cover 180' viewing angle on rotational basis or better get 2 bullet cam which could cover those angle permanently?
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Ans1: If the camera is not mounted higher than your building, very less percentage it will strike by lightning. Make sure u use weatherproof at least Ip66 Camera, even the camera is not directly exposed to weather, For example, in car porch. For power surge, you may use Power Surge Socket to protect the DVR and Camera Power Supply.
Ans2: I believe 2 Fixed Cameras is cheaper than an Outdoor PTZ, nowadays FullHD Fixed Camera can cover area of 80 degree, so 2 Cameras sure can covered all areas.

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Can anyone recommend me cctv brands that has the following criteria

1. Wireless
2. Offers cloud storage, preferably as a package with the camera. Any additional storage required, I will subscribe.
3. Can view from mobile phone
4. Only records when there is movement
5. 180-degree angle viewing and recording
6. Budget around RM500
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any recommendation for wireless IP camera (dome) ?
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Awesome thread... learn lots of things... definitely helps in deciding on the CCTV system of our house...

However, my house comes with these 2 pre-installed... are they any good? Should I just continue with them (the CCTV system is plug and play can increase the cameras etc).

http://www.panasonic.com/my/consumer/home-...kx-hn6031.html#

http://business.panasonic.com.my/security-...com/VL-SVN511EX
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QUOTE(MeToo @ Jun 14 2017, 03:19 PM)
Awesome thread... learn lots of things... definitely helps in deciding on the CCTV system of our house...

However, my house comes with these 2 pre-installed... are they any good? Should I just continue with them (the CCTV system is plug and play can increase the cameras etc).

http://www.panasonic.com/my/consumer/home-...kx-hn6031.html#

http://business.panasonic.com.my/security-...com/VL-SVN511EX
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i unable to decide using xiaomi wireless or hkvision system dvr.
priority is house safety. what is pro and con. Thanks bro
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QUOTE(arju @ Jun 29 2017, 09:48 PM)
i unable to decide using xiaomi wireless or hkvision system dvr.
priority is house safety. what is pro and con. Thanks bro
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Xiaomi wireless:
Cheaper
Newer mijia cameras has priority area detection (mijia 1080p not 360 version)
You get 6 sec video motion alerts
Can save to nas/samba share/sdcard
No need decoder
Integrated with mi home security, so you can also get mi door sensor, motion sensor for extra protection
Live stream is optimized and great for streamyx users with 0.5mbps upload speed

Cons:
Not exactly waterproof/weatherproof but should be fine indoors & certain outdoor location that's shady/not directly exposed to weather
You can only use their xiaomi apps to access the cameras (technically you still can 3rd party app, just need to hack firmware)

Hikvision
Expensive (obviously)
Higher picture quality, especially with >4mp camera (you can see samples at youtube)
Decoder is optional, but better if you want hours of archive footage (needs bigger hdd for longer recording time depending on bitrates) & ease of control for multiple cameras
Needs wiring done

Pros:
Much more flexibility & control with camera settings
Can use hikvision apps or 3rd party to view camera feeds
Can connect to ups for continuous recording when power's out

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Thanks bro. appreciate your fast response. thank you.
i not required archive footage. 720P will do. as long as get the job done aleart.
Still got base alarm system at home. Need to figure out which one less hassle and long term use.

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Thanks bro. appreciate your fast response. thank you.
i not required archive footage. 720P will do. as long as get the job done aleart.
Still got base alarm system at home.
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I'd recommend you get this model
A lot better than 720p version, can upgrade firmware with no issues

http://m.11street.my/productdetail/xiaomi-...cam-wi-34242810
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i unable to decide using xiaomi wireless or hkvision system dvr.
priority is house safety. what is pro and con. Thanks bro
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I have 4 units of Hikvision 3MP HD POE IR Bullet Waterproof Network IP Mini Camera for Outdoor Surveillance.
it is affordable.and simple setup.
Have a look at the specifications whether it meets your requirement.

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QUOTE(alucard89 @ Jun 29 2017, 10:51 PM)
I'd recommend you get this model
A lot better than 720p version, can upgrade firmware with no issues

http://m.11street.my/productdetail/xiaomi-...cam-wi-34242810
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Hi,

Hopefully u can share some information on the above friend..smile.gif

Does this Mijia able to connect and view by 2 phones at one time?

Can it be view using computer and videos save in computer?

Can view or connect 4 camera ?


Thanks in advance thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(arju @ Jun 29 2017, 09:48 PM)
i unable to decide using xiaomi wireless or hkvision system dvr.
priority is house safety. what is pro and con. Thanks bro
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If u jz need one or two indoor camera, mainly for monitoring, go for wireless ipcam like xiaomi cam.
CCTV mainly for monitoring. Alarm is for security.
When alarm trigger, it call u then u remote access to ur CCTV to verify situation of ur house.
If u need outdoor camera, better buy cctv like HIKVISION.
U can opt for cheaper version, TurboHD by Hikvision, intead of their IP system.
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QUOTE(dude06 @ Jun 30 2017, 10:45 PM)
Hi,

Hopefully u can share some information on the above friend..smile.gif

Does this Mijia able to connect and view by 2 phones at one time?

Can it be view using computer and videos save in computer?

Can view or connect 4 camera ?
Thanks in advance  thumbup.gif
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Yes

Yes, for mijia you'll need to download yi home camera for windows (china version)

You mean multiple cctv view? Only on the windows app
Normally only can view 1 camera at a time and you need to switch to another one on the phone app


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Yes

Yes, for mijia you'll need to download yi home camera for windows (china version)

You mean multiple cctv view? Only on the windows app
Normally only can view 1 camera at a time and you need to switch to another one on the phone app
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Thanks for the information. Will get a unit to test it out smile.gif

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Anyone mind sharing which UPS you're using with your cctv setup?
I found a few on lazada like this

https://www.lazada.com.my/right-power-ups-b...0.0.Q2LyAG&ff=1

I also browse other forums about their ups feedback with cctv, and something like APS 1500va was able to power 8 poe cameras + 1 nvr + 2tb hdd for more than 2 hours

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/2509177

arju
Regarding my last comparison for ipcamera
Technically you can use ups with yi wifi home camera, like this

https://detail.tmall.com/item.htm?id=540873059921

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Hi guys, do we have something like IP camera connected via wired /wireless which camera feature is not needed in this case but only the audio feature? something like audio surveillance which can listen the sound?
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Hi, can please suggest where to install the CCTV (external & internal)? And what type of CCTV is recommendable? Below I attach my house floor plan. Thank you.
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Terrace house?
For external, mainly cover your house perimeter, pointing at your house door/windows...
For internal, can put at living, dining area, kitchen...
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Hi,

Which technology is the most common offer by cctv installer nowadays ?

Is it common to use IP CCTV camera here ? Like using RJ45 connect camera to a NVR, hosting the video file by ourself.
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Hi,

Which technology is the most common offer by cctv installer nowadays ?

Is it common to use IP CCTV camera here ? Like using RJ45 connect camera to a NVR, hosting the video file by ourself.
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Few year ago when Coax system still analog (max 1000TVL, resolution max 720x480), if you want HD, 720P system, u need to use IP. But now the trend is TVI, CVI, AHD.. Still Use Coax. For example, TVI and CVI now can support Camera 5megapixel. AHD support Camera 1.3MP (720p) or 2MP (1080P).

This let user who still using old system can direct upgrade to higher resolution system, use higher megapixel camera.
When demand high and higher, price will become lower and lower.

So the trend now is High Resolution over Coax.

Quality and Price: TVI > CVI > AHD
IP is most expensive if u compare TVI, CVI, AHD system with same resolution.
For small scale, go to Coax System.
For large scale, go for IP system.
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QUOTE(idealhometech @ Aug 19 2017, 10:30 AM)
Few year ago when Coax system still analog (max 1000TVL, resolution max 720x480), if you want HD, 720P system, u need to use IP. But now the trend is TVI, CVI, AHD.. Still Use Coax. For example, TVI and CVI now can support Camera 5megapixel. AHD support Camera 1.3MP (720p) or 2MP (1080P).

This let user who still using old system can direct upgrade to higher resolution system, use higher megapixel camera.
When demand high and higher, price will become lower and lower.

So the trend now is High Resolution over Coax.

Quality and Price: TVI > CVI > AHD
IP is most expensive if u compare TVI, CVI, AHD system with same resolution.
For small scale, go to Coax System.
For large scale, go for IP system.
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How big is large scale?

My home is a bungalow that needs 4-6 bullet camera outdoor. consider large or small scale ?
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How big is large scale?

My home is a bungalow that needs 4-6 bullet camera outdoor. consider large or small scale ?
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What is ur house size?
4 - 6 consider very small.
Jz go for Coax System.

Large Scale is like multi floor office, residential area, shopping mall, parking lot....

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QUOTE(lleihuan @ Jun 30 2017, 08:58 AM)
I have 4 units of Hikvision 3MP HD POE IR Bullet Waterproof Network IP Mini Camera for Outdoor Surveillance.
it is affordable.and simple setup.
Have a look at the specifications whether it meets your requirement.
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Hi bro, I am interested to get Hikvision and install myself. Can you share where you got yours? Thanks!
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hi, just a question, anyone of you have installed alarm system and able to connect to your LTE modem's VOIP without going through GSM module?
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Hi bro, I am interested to get Hikvision and install myself. Can you share where you got yours? Thanks!
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Got it from Xinray Store aliexpress.Sometimes Ebay.
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Got it from Xinray Store aliexpress.Sometimes Ebay.
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Original english firmware or the hacked english firmware cameras?
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english but firmware not upgradeable.
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Aha, same like mine
I got them from this taobao shop, cheaper than ebay/aliexpress so far

So you're using a multilanguage nvr too? Like DS-7808N?

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First you have to know what kind of camera and recording unit suit your need, and also your budget.
Once you identified the camera and recording unit model that suit your need, you may proceed to find the product either on the internet or physical shop.
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Aha, same like mine
I got them from this taobao shop, cheaper than ebay/aliexpress so far

So you're using a multilanguage nvr too? Like DS-7808N?
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Recording by Synology's Surveillance Station.
My personal testing and concluded that motion detection from
Synology better and precise than Hilvision. No unnecessary recording.

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You may post your requirements and budget here, see if any of us able to help you.
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Recording by Synology's Surveillance Station.
My personal testing and concluded that motion detection from
Synology better and precise than Hilvision. No unnecessary recording.
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The license fee is quite expensive though
Can buy one 4/5mp camera for each license sweat.gif

How precise is synology motion detection?
Like if there's shadows, rain, leaf blowing etc
Are the motion detected recordings in maximum 3/4mp quality?

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QUOTE(alucard89 @ Aug 30 2017, 11:47 AM)
The license fee is quite expensive though
Can buy one 4/5mp camera for each license  sweat.gif

How precise is synology motion detection?
Like if there's shadows, rain, leaf blowing etc
Are the motion detected recordings in maximum 3/4mp quality?
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synology motion detection can specify the area which you want to have the motion detection activated.
For example if you have a camera pointing towards your front gate or over your fench, you can actually configure the Surveillance Station to ignore specific corners in your LiveView.

https://www.synology.com/en-us/surveillance...live_view_alert

Please refer to link above for more info.
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QUOTE(alucard89 @ Aug 30 2017, 11:47 AM)
The license fee is quite expensive though
Can buy one 4/5mp camera for each license  sweat.gif

How precise is synology motion detection?
Like if there's shadows, rain, leaf blowing etc
Are the motion detected recordings in maximum 3/4mp quality?
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No doubt it is expensive.Bought the 4 license package when I got
the DS210J a few years back.
The best part is when I buy the new DS216+ last year,
it comes with 2 free licenses and the old 4 license can be transferred
to new DS216+.
Yes, motion detection recording resolution is 1920X1080 H.264.Very
clear recording.
The Synology's Surveillance Station has many options to set individual
camera parameter.
Motion detection can be set to avoid the sensitive area.
I think this is very basic.
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The license fee is quite expensive though
Can buy one 4/5mp camera for each license  sweat.gif

How precise is synology motion detection?
Like if there's shadows, rain, leaf blowing etc
Are the motion detected recordings in maximum 3/4mp quality?
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Sorry, while writing cywings already answered most of what I wrote.
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I am looking at alternatives of foscam ipcam as some of those units I have start to fail. Any cheaper and reliable ipcam out there?
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I am looking at alternatives of foscam ipcam as some of those units I have start to fail. Any cheaper and reliable ipcam out there?
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There's the foscam c2 (iq200 for china)
But for some reason the price has tripled last time I purchased it and I'm not sure why
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hi, which hikvision HD-TVI cctv have motion detection for outdoor.
I check not one. please assist maybe i miss out. TQ sifu
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hi, which hikvision HD-TVI cctv have motion detection for outdoor.
I check not one. please assist maybe i miss out. TQ sifu
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All HIKVISION HD-TVI DVR got built-in motion detection function.
The processing is at DVR end, not Camera. Coz it is not IPCam.

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U can set motion record, and motion push notification too.

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QUOTE(idealhometech @ Jul 1 2017, 12:52 AM)
If u jz need one or two indoor camera, mainly for monitoring, go for wireless ipcam like xiaomi cam.
CCTV mainly for monitoring. Alarm is for security.
When alarm trigger, it call u then u remote access to ur CCTV to verify situation of ur house.
If u need outdoor camera, better buy cctv like HIKVISION.
U can opt for cheaper version, TurboHD by Hikvision, intead of their IP system.
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hi mind to share
currently using wireless ipcam like xiaomi cam etc
but i am looking for outdoor camera which still can record in case the wireless line is down
and any cheap wireless alarm for condo?
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hi mind to share
currently using wireless ipcam like xiaomi cam etc
but i am looking for outdoor camera which still can record in case the wireless line is down
and any cheap wireless alarm for condo?
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Outdoor cam for Condo?
Alarm for condo, only 1 point?
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Outdoor cam for Condo?
Alarm for condo, only 1 point?
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yes..both..only formain entrance only
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yes..both..only formain entrance only
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y can't use xiaomi at entrance?
if only 1 alarm point, u can go lazada for DIY wireless alarm, a lot cheap DIY wireless alarm..
Some are GSm alarm, u need to get a simcard for it. Some can connect to phone line.

Else, go for Bluguard Ximple Wireless alarm, which come with 1 PTZ Camera. It is a GSM alarm, need simcard.
Price start from RM1299.

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Installed Hikvision recently...bullet cameras and NVR (DS 7716N1E4/16P)....working fine except when want to forward remote playback video to Whatsapp - "the file format is not supported" however still picture can be forwarded via Whatsapp.

Checked with Installer - he confirmed with the technical guy from the principle -"the app can only extract the MP4 format...have to wait until they update the app" rclxub.gif

Need help here as I believed the playback video can actually use Whatsapp but may have miss something in the NVR? icon_question.gif
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Installed Hikvision recently...bullet cameras and NVR (DS 7716N1E4/16P)....working fine except when want to forward remote playback video to Whatsapp - "the file format is not supported" however still picture can be forwarded via Whatsapp.

Checked with Installer - he confirmed with the technical guy from the principle -"the app can only extract the MP4 format...have to wait until they update the app"  rclxub.gif

Need help here as I believed the playback video can actually use Whatsapp but may have miss something in the NVR? icon_question.gif
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U can export to Dropbox/GDrive/Email, or export the video to ur phone 1st, then only send by whatsapp.
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U can export to Dropbox/GDrive/Email, or export the video to ur phone 1st, then only send by whatsapp.
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Anyone can recommend a good place to get an 8 channel DVR? Just plain old analog cameras. Need to replace my one. Spoil already.
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Guys, got quoted for alarm and cctv for a double storey terrace intermediate as below:-

Bluguard v16n plus

- v16nplus mainboard 8 zone
- 12v transformer
- 12v 7ah battery
- metal enclosure
- external siren with enclosure
- siren strobe light
- v16n lcd keypad 1 unit
- pir motion sensor single tech indoor 1 unit
- vibration sensor 10 units
- magnetic sensor 5 units

all inclusive cabling, installation and t&c RM 1.9k

for cctv

- hikvision 4 channel hdtvi 1080p turbo 3.0(DS-7204HQHI-K1) = 1 unit
- hikvision 2.0 mp hdtvi bullet/dome ir camera, smart ir 15m(DS-2CE16D0T) = 4 units
- 1 tb surveillance hard disk = 1 unit
- 12v 5a switching power supply = 1 unit

all inclusive cabling, installation and t&c RM1.9k

Price quoted reasonable?
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QUOTE(kirakun @ Jan 17 2018, 02:53 PM)
Guys, got quoted for alarm and cctv for a double storey terrace intermediate as below:-

Bluguard v16n plus

- v16nplus mainboard 8 zone
- 12v transformer
- 12v 7ah battery
- metal enclosure
- external siren with enclosure
- siren strobe light
- v16n lcd keypad 1 unit
- pir motion sensor single tech indoor 1 unit
- vibration sensor 10 units
- magnetic sensor 5 units

all inclusive cabling, installation and t&c RM 1.9k

for cctv

- hikvision 4 channel hdtvi 1080p turbo 3.0(DS-7204HQHI-K1) = 1 unit
- hikvision 2.0 mp hdtvi bullet/dome ir camera, smart ir 15m(DS-2CE16D0T) = 4 units
- 1 tb surveillance hard disk = 1 unit
- 12v 5a switching power supply = 1 unit

all inclusive cabling, installation and t&c RM1.9k

Price quoted reasonable?
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Price OK.
For CCTV, u can top up abit to get better HIK DVR (Realtime Record) and HIK camera with ExIR, WDR, Ultra Low Light.
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Price OK.
For CCTV, u can top up abit to get better HIK DVR (Realtime Record) and HIK camera with ExIR, WDR, Ultra Low Light.
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Any reference for model with HIK DVR for realtime record and camera with ExIR, WDR, Ultra Low Light?
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Starlight cctv are the new ip camera...go for that.
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hi sifu,
cynics or hikvision? pls help.

quoted cynics (old or new model?)

XC3310
XC3330
XD3104L-3108L

TQ bro

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QUOTE(arju @ Mar 11 2018, 11:40 PM)
hi sifu,
cynics or hikvision? pls help.

quoted cynics (old or new model?)

XC3310
XC3330
XD3104L-3108L

TQ bro
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If u opt for Cynics, go for T series. Price not much different from X series.
If u want better quality and function, go for HIKVISION.
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Currently aiming China Hikvision 3MP Lowlight with MIC Camera
DS-2CD2336FWD-IS
http://www1.hikvision.com/cn/prgs_997_i17080.html

But still prefer 4MP Lowlight with MIC, if Hikvision ever come out with one.

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May I know if there is any recommended app that can view CCTVs remotely from iPhone? Are these apps safe? Example: once we key in user and password, can the app owner or others (by hacking or whatever) constantly have access to the CCTV views???
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QUOTE(aspartame @ Mar 15 2018, 08:34 PM)
May I know if there is any recommended app that can view CCTVs remotely from iPhone? Are these apps safe? Example: once we key in user and password, can the app owner or others (by hacking or whatever) constantly have access to the CCTV views???
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Why use 3rd party app?
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Why use 3rd party app?
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If not? Most now got their own app is it? My CCTV quite old already.
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If not? Most now got their own app is it? My CCTV quite old already.
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Yes, all cctv now come with own app, except those OEM CCTV.
For example:
HIKVISION - IVMS-4500
DAHUA - gDMSS or iDMSS

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hi, what differ HIK DVR for realtime record and non real time.
Also 5MP/4MP DVR can use 2MP camera?

thanks
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hi, what differ HIK DVR for realtime record and non real time.
Also 5MP/4MP DVR can use 2MP camera?

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realtime framerate for FullHD is 25fps
non-realtime is 15fps

5MP DVR can support all 5MP and lower MP camera.
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Yes, all cctv now come with own app, except those OEM CCTV.
For example:
HIKVISION - IVMS-4500
DAHUA - gDMSS or iDMSS
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So detailed thread. Learn a lot.

So basically for my house where I want 2 outdoor camera front, 1 or maybe 2 camera rear, 1 indoor camera. It would be best to get a network recorder with PoE support, so I just need to run 1 cable only instead of COAX+POWER.

http://www.dahuasecurity.com/products/productDetail/8291

Would something like that be sufficient? I am leaning towards Dahua for their camera's low light performance.

I'll be doing plaster ceiling, so I figure a lot of the cables can be concealed.
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QUOTE(Jason @ Mar 16 2018, 09:37 PM)
So detailed thread. Learn a lot.

So basically for my house where I want 2 outdoor camera front, 1 or maybe 2 camera rear, 1 indoor camera. It would be best to get a network recorder with PoE support, so I just need to run 1 cable only instead of COAX+POWER.

http://www.dahuasecurity.com/products/productDetail/8291

Would something like that be sufficient? I am leaning towards Dahua for their camera's low light performance.

I'll be doing plaster ceiling, so I figure a lot of the cables can be concealed.
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POE is a good choice.
Anyhow, which camera model you are eyeing?
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POE is a good choice.
Anyhow, which camera model you are eyeing?
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Considering the Dahua starlight 2MP turret for the front facing gate. But then it is very costly, maybe a more cost effective approach is to install motion detection flood lights, that way when the intruder comes in, the lights will activate and an average cam will be able to record it down.

As for the rear, need something that has good tripwire detection, that way even in the day i would know if someone climb in the rear of my house...

Feel free to give advice..this is just my thinking so far...

First floor house cam, is to look the front surrounding of the house
Ground floor cam is to aim at the gate/immediate front of the house
Rear of the house is to setup tripwire to be alerted in case people climb in. Thinking can put a motion detection flood light as well.

indoor, at the stairwell area upstairs, also for motion detection purpose alert. maybe helpful have speaker on the camera, then can alert the intruder outside my bedroom door to ask him run away, cops coming (haha watch too much movies)
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QUOTE(Jason @ Mar 16 2018, 09:37 PM)
So detailed thread. Learn a lot.

So basically for my house where I want 2 outdoor camera front, 1 or maybe 2 camera rear, 1 indoor camera. It would be best to get a network recorder with PoE support, so I just need to run 1 cable only instead of COAX+POWER.

http://www.dahuasecurity.com/products/productDetail/8291

Would something like that be sufficient? I am leaning towards Dahua for their camera's low light performance.

I'll be doing plaster ceiling, so I figure a lot of the cables can be concealed.
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Are u going to lay the cable urself?
If yes, network cable is easier for u. Only IP System cost higher.

Else, u can ask wireman to lay the coax+power for u, then u can go for Dahua HDCVI or HIKVISION HDTVI, both system got LowLight version. System a lot cheaper than IP.

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QUOTE(idealhometech @ Mar 17 2018, 08:41 AM)
Are u going to lay the cable urself?
If yes, network cable is easier for u. Only IP System cost higher.

Else, u can ask wireman to lay the coax+power for u, then u can go for Dahua HDCVI or HIKVISION HDTVI, both system got LowLight version. System a lot cheaper than IP.
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No I am not going to DIY, as part of my renovation gonna get someone professional to install it.

Correct me if I’m wrong but there’s no reason to choose HDCVI systems over IP for a new install, other than cost, as it seems IP is the future and HDCVI is a format meant to allow existing analog systems to be “updated” without recalling.

What’s the price difference like between HDCVI vs IP? 1.5x? 2x?

https://www.security-camera-warehouse.com/k...ge-base/hd-sdi/

Good read. IP seems to be the way to go.

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QUOTE(Jason @ Mar 17 2018, 10:32 AM)
No I am not going to DIY, as part of my renovation gonna get someone professional to install it.

Correct me if I’m wrong but there’s no reason to choose HDCVI systems over IP for a new install, other than cost, as it seems IP is the future and HDCVI is a format meant to allow existing analog systems to be “updated” without recalling.

What’s the price difference like between HDCVI vs IP? 1.5x? 2x?

https://www.security-camera-warehouse.com/k...ge-base/hd-sdi/

Good read. IP seems to be the way to go.
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HDCVI technology a bit slower than HDTVI..
Now HDTVI already got 4K resolution, up to 8MP.. Price a lot cheaper than IP 8MP.
This technology will not stop because of high demand.
TVI is develop by HIKVISION who is World No.1 Surveillance Manufacturer.

But if budget is not a issue, then sure IP is better. IP cam expensive because it not only capture and output image, it got own processor. Is like merging a camera and recorder into 1 box. That's why expensive.
If u need extra feature like video analytic, face recognition, AI, then must use IPCam.
Another reason why we use IP is, for large scale project. more than 16 cameras, long distance cabling, wireless....

If just record, view, remote access, u can go for analog (TVI or CVI), analog cam with built-in True WDR processor, Ultra Low Light sensor still a lot cheaper than IP.
The DVR still can handle normal video analysis like motion detection, line intrusion detection....

Below is the video about TVI 4.0


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IP Cam have this issue of latency.

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IP Cam have this issue of latency.
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What kind of latency you are referring to?
Live view latency? Recording latency? Remote view latency?
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What kind of latency you are referring to?
Live view latency? Recording latency? Remote view latency?
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Live view latency.

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Live view latency.
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My system Live view latency feels like 0.5 seconds, I am alright with it.
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My system Live view latency feels like 0.5 seconds, I am alright with it.
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Then we are good! biggrin.gif
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Can we get RM350 IP camera with the following features:
(1) POE IPCam
(2) Bullet type
(3) 5MP @ 25fps
(4) Night vision
(5) 4X Optical Zoom
(6) 4mm-12mm lens
(7) Audio recording
(8) Support iOS & Android app
(9) Windows & Mac Client App
(10) Motion detection
(11) FTP recording
(12) Cloud recording
(13) E-mail notification
(14) Push notification

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QUOTE(lyt25_1234 @ Mar 20 2018, 03:48 PM)
Can we get RM350 IP camera with the following features:
(1) POE IPCam
(2) Bullet type
(3) 5MP @ 25fps
(4) Night vision
(5) 4X Optical Zoom
(6) 4mm-12mm lens
(7) Audio recording
(8) Support iOS & Android app
(9) Windows & Mac Client App
(10) Motion detection
(11) FTP recording
(12) Cloud recording
(13) E-mail notification
(14) Push notification
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at least RM750
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QUOTE(idealhometech @ Mar 20 2018, 04:32 PM)
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Wah, so expensive one ka???
Made In China leh this brand...
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Wah, so expensive one ka???
Made In China leh this brand...
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Yes, very expensive. 5MP still not commonly used here..
Don't look down on this China Brand, Dahua is World No.3 Surveillance System Manufacturer.
and World No.1 is HIKVISION, also China Brand.
No.2 is SONY.
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QUOTE(lyt25_1234 @ Mar 20 2018, 03:48 PM)
Can we get RM350 IP camera with the following features:
(1) POE IPCam
(2) Bullet type
(3) 5MP @ 25fps
(4) Night vision
(5) 4X Optical Zoom
(6) 4mm-12mm lens
(7) Audio recording
(8) Support iOS & Android app
(9) Windows & Mac Client App
(10) Motion detection
(11) FTP recording
(12) Cloud recording
(13) E-mail notification
(14) Push notification
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Not exactly 5mp (4mp), but close enough to that price range

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r....ucket=14#detail

What's the main difference with bullet vs turret type?

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Wah, so expensive one ka???
Made In China leh this brand...
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The top cameras are made in china like idealhometech mentioned. Hikvision & Dahua are quite famous brand
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QUOTE(lyt25_1234 @ Mar 20 2018, 03:48 PM)
Can we get RM350 IP camera with the following features:
(1) POE IPCam
(2) Bullet type
(3) 5MP @ 25fps
(4) Night vision
(5) 4X Optical Zoom
(6) 4mm-12mm lens
(7) Audio recording
(8) Support iOS & Android app
(9) Windows & Mac Client App
(10) Motion detection
(11) FTP recording
(12) Cloud recording
(13) E-mail notification
(14) Push notification
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No way RM350 to get this kind of spec for now.

This English firmware model around RM1k +-:

DS-2CD2655FWD-IZS
http://www.hikvision.com/en/Products_acces..._756_i6221.html

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=546409242459
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/DHL-free-sh...2836031039.html
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Wah, really all very expensive...think will stick to 1080p.
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QUOTE(lyt25_1234 @ Mar 20 2018, 03:48 PM)
Can we get RM350 IP camera with the following features:
(1) POE IPCam
(2) Bullet type
(3) 5MP @ 25fps
(4) Night vision
(5) 4X Optical Zoom
(6) 4mm-12mm lens
(7) Audio recording
(8) Support iOS & Android app
(9) Windows & Mac Client App
(10) Motion detection
(11) FTP recording
(12) Cloud recording
(13) E-mail notification
(14) Push notification
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Close to RM350...here you go https://reolink.com/product/rlc-411/

Has all the above except audio i think
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QUOTE(ular_king @ Mar 20 2018, 09:52 PM)
Close to RM350...here you go https://reolink.com/product/rlc-411/

Has all the above except audio i think
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QUOTE(ular_king @ Mar 20 2018, 09:52 PM)
Close to RM350...here you go https://reolink.com/product/rlc-411/

Has all the above except audio i think
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this kind of cam need decoder??

or it can work individualy like xiaomi cctv?
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this kind of cam need decoder??

or it can work individualy like xiaomi cctv?
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Its a POE IP cam so you will need a POE switch to power it and NVR is optional. So yeah it can work individually.
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QUOTE(ular_king @ Apr 16 2018, 09:29 PM)
Its a POE IP cam so you will need a POE switch to power it and NVR is optional.  So yeah it can work individually.
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This 1 can?
https://goo.gl/images/sDqKXx
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QUOTE(psyduck89 @ Apr 17 2018, 12:02 AM)
Just use DC 12V adapter, POE camera can also be power individually or use this passive DC injector. Much cheaper but only 30-60m depending on how many Amp is your 12V DC adapter and type of RJ45 used.
Passive injector
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Just use DC 12V adapter, POE camera can also be power individually or use this passive DC injector. Much cheaper but only 30-60m depending on how many Amp is your 12V DC adapter and type of RJ45 used.
Passive injector
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oo..okay... will go and check with the shop..


thanks..
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I'm planning to change the Mycam360V 16ch DVR (which i believe is a variant of DVR by HIKViSION), the network feature no longer works. the video input uses BNC (1.0Vp-p, 75Ω) http://www.mycamexpert.com/uploads/product...340w380360v.pdf

may I know which model of DVR shall I replaced it with? using analog camera

Thank you

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QUOTE(psyeo @ Apr 19 2018, 03:20 PM)
I'm planning to change the Mycam360V 16ch DVR (which i believe is a variant of DVR by HIKViSION), the network feature no longer works. the video input uses BNC (1.0Vp-p, 75Ω) http://www.mycamexpert.com/uploads/product...340w380360v.pdf

may I know which model of DVR shall I replaced it with? using analog camera

Thank you
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Video input looks the same hmm.gif
https://www.hikvision.com/en/Products/Digit...208/7216HUHI-K2
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QUOTE(psyeo @ Apr 19 2018, 03:20 PM)
I'm planning to change the Mycam360V 16ch DVR (which i believe is a variant of DVR by HIKViSION), the network feature no longer works. the video input uses BNC (1.0Vp-p, 75Ω) http://www.mycamexpert.com/uploads/product...340w380360v.pdf

may I know which model of DVR shall I replaced it with? using analog camera

Thank you
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which "Network feature" not working? Built-in HiDDNS not working?

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Dear all, please gave a look at the quotation below, what do you think?
Absolutely no idea about security system. In addition to the quotation below, do I have to engage companies like ADT for alarm?

Thanks in advance for your kind suggestion..


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Dear all, please gave a look at the quotation below, what do you think?
Absolutely no idea about security system. In addition to the quotation below, do I have to engage companies like ADT for alarm?

Thanks in advance for your kind suggestion..
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That 2MP camera very expensive ler.. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(chichichi @ Apr 20 2018, 09:22 AM)
Dear all, please gave a look at the quotation below, what do you think?
Absolutely no idea about security system. In addition to the quotation below, do I have to engage companies like ADT for alarm?

Thanks in advance for your kind suggestion..
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On the high side. Item 5, relocate CCTV points?
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QUOTE(chichichi @ Apr 20 2018, 09:22 AM)
Dear all, please gave a look at the quotation below, what do you think?
Absolutely no idea about security system. In addition to the quotation below, do I have to engage companies like ADT for alarm?

Thanks in advance for your kind suggestion..
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WOW... 19inch PC Monitor RM600 something??
24inch FullHD Monitor only RM400 something in the market..
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QUOTE(chichichi @ Apr 20 2018, 09:22 AM)
Dear all, please gave a look at the quotation below, what do you think?
Absolutely no idea about security system. In addition to the quotation below, do I have to engage companies like ADT for alarm?

Thanks in advance for your kind suggestion..
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This company want to potong u.. Hahaha.. Go get more quotations to compare.

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Hi guys, lots of good info here. Wondering if anyone can recommend a company to install CCTV and alarm system at a new cafe? Probably need 4 outside cameras and 4 inside. Monitor at the cash register. Also just a basic alarm for 3 doors.

Have made a couple of phone calls but hoping someone can recommend based on their experience.

Thanks :-)
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QUOTE(johnnywynne @ Aug 6 2018, 05:53 PM)
Hi guys, lots of good info here. Wondering if anyone can recommend a company to install CCTV and alarm system at a new cafe? Probably need 4 outside cameras and 4 inside. Monitor at the cash register. Also just a basic alarm for 3 doors.

Have made a couple of phone calls but hoping someone can recommend based on their experience.

Thanks :-)
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Nowadays have the 360 VRCAM which can reduce your indoor camera to 2 nos.

For Alarm part, just get a WIFI GSM/PSTN WIRELESS Alarm will do.
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Hi all,

I currently trying to setup my CCTV system by using UTP CAT5e cable and also using following items:

DVR : DS-7208HUHI-K2 SERIES TURBO HD DVR

CAMERA : DS-2CE16H1T-IT x3

CAMERA : DS-2CE56H1T-ITM x3

CABLE : PROLiNK CAT5E / CAT-5E UTP Network Cable

POWER SUPPLY: Professional 12V DC 10A 9 Way Boxed CCTV Power Supply Unit

BALUN: BALUN

The problem now is "NO VIDEO" is coming up in my screen once connected.

First thing I suspect the power not reaching the camera, then when connected, I try to cover up the camera with my hands and can see the IR sensor lighten up, so I think the camera got power.

Plus the cable runs not more than 50m.

Or could it be really the power not reaching the camera? Or the power supply not really enough to power on the camera? I dunno what's wrong with the setup.

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Hi all,

I currently trying to setup my CCTV system by using UTP CAT5e cable and also using following items:

DVR : DS-7208HUHI-K2 SERIES TURBO HD DVR

CAMERA : DS-2CE16H1T-IT  x3

CAMERA : DS-2CE56H1T-ITM x3

CABLE : PROLiNK CAT5E / CAT-5E UTP Network Cable

POWER SUPPLY:  Professional 12V DC 10A 9 Way Boxed CCTV Power Supply Unit

BALUN: BALUN

The problem now is "NO VIDEO" is coming up in my screen once connected.

First thing I suspect the power not reaching the camera, then when connected, I try to cover up the camera with my hands and can see the IR sensor lighten up, so I think the camera got power.

Plus the cable runs not more than 50m.

Or could it be really the power not reaching the camera? Or the power supply not really enough to power on the camera? I dunno what's wrong with the setup.

Pls help sifus  icon_question.gif  icon_question.gif
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If u got multimeter, check the power at camera end, maybe power drop.. If measure got 12V++ then ok, if jz 11V++... something wrong with ur balun or cable.
also, make sure ur balun support TVI 5MP... coz some balun not support 5MP Camera.
If not because of the power, then sure Balun not compatible with ur camera.

U can try use a short patch cord, connect balun and camera to the DVR, see got video or not. If got, cable problem.
If u got Coax cable, can try it connect camera with DVR. DVR no need setting, plug and play 1.

Actually if u use UTP LAN Cable for Coax System, u shd use CAT6, CAT5e will give video noise.. The best, still run RG Coax cable if use Coax System. UTP cable better use IP System.

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If u got multimeter, check the power at camera end.
also, make sure ur balun support TVI 5MP... coz some balun not support 5MP Camera.

Actually if u use UTP LAN Cable for Coax System, u shd use CAT6, CAT5e will give video noise.. The best, still run RG Coax cable if use Coax System. UTP cable better use IP System.
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yes i got multimeter and how to check power at camera end ya?

do u think my balun there isn’t compatible? do u hv any that compatible?
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At camera end, the DC Jack from balun, put the Red (+) into the jack hole, Black (-) to the outer jack conductor. C how many volt. Shd get 12V ++

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yes i got multimeter and how to check power at camera end ya?

do u think my balun there isn’t compatible? do u hv any that compatible?
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U need to get back HIKVISION BALUN. Only their Balun compatible with 5MP TVI.
But the video quality may drop because u use CAT5e..
Actually all CCTV that use Balun quality will drop 10 - 20% compare to use Coax cable.
Then if u use non-full copper CAT5e.. u will get more interference or noise...

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QUOTE(idealhometech @ Aug 24 2018, 09:05 PM)
U need to get back HIKVISION BALUN. Only their Balun compatible with 5MP TVI.
But the video quality may drop because u use CAT5e..
Actually all CCTV that use Balun quality will drop 10 - 20% compare to use Coax cable.
Then if u use non-full copper CAT5e.. u will get more interference or noise...
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ok will try tomorrow to check the power at camera end and will try to add Hikvision balun.

will report back if successful or not..
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Hi Guys,

Normally where u put your DVR in the house ?
Living room ? Store room ? Bedroom or Study room ?


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Hi Guys,

Normally where u put your DVR in the house ?
Living room ? Store room ? Bedroom or Study room ?
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Hide it..
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QUOTE(th3game @ Aug 24 2018, 09:13 PM)
ok will try tomorrow to check the power at camera end and will try to add Hikvision balun.

will report back if successful or not..
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So how did it go?
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Hide it..
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Yes, just got another WA picture whereby the HDD was removed by the thieves from a restaurant. Also, try to upload to cloud even if it's just pictures. Better than nothing.
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I have a china generic DVR with firmware V4.02.R11.24340081.10001-LSX

Build date 02-04-2014

Where can I find the latest firmware version for it? Google'd around but cant find much info for this type of generic dvr
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Hi,

I have a Cynics DVR Model HT4216-III.
I previously were able to view remotely via my HP but after the IVMS 4500 update i cant seems to be able to connect.
I went to HIL-connect website and checked and notice my device is still stated online.
Any advice?
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Hi,

I have a Cynics DVR Model HT4216-III.
I previously were able to view remotely via my HP but after the IVMS 4500 update i cant seems to be able to connect.
I went to HIL-connect website and checked and notice my device is still stated online.
Any advice?
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Try use HIK-Connect app to login.
If u want stable connection, u shd use DDNs and do port forwarding, don't use P2P. Unless your internet don't provide u public IP, for example Digi Broadband.
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I found firmware HT42xx-II-v3.4.75-160831 in http://www.cynics.com.my/product/software-support-tools/ . I wonder whether this firmware version support cloud storage? - anyone know?
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QUOTE(pocalypse @ Oct 23 2018, 10:43 PM)
I found firmware HT42xx-II-v3.4.75-160831 in http://www.cynics.com.my/product/software-support-tools/ . I wonder whether this firmware version support cloud storage? - anyone know?
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Don't simply flash ur DVR, please consult ur cctv installer first.
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QUOTE(pocalypse @ Oct 23 2018, 10:43 PM)
I found firmware HT42xx-II-v3.4.75-160831 in http://www.cynics.com.my/product/software-support-tools/ . I wonder whether this firmware version support cloud storage? - anyone know?
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Cloud Storage only for Picture, not video.

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looking for cctv to install at condo area, requirement below
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looking for cctv to install at condo area, requirement below
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Reolink camera
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Got one cat6 cable at entrance area. What camera do I need to get? Any with built in sdcard?
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Got one cat6 cable at entrance area. What camera do I need to get? Any with built in sdcard?
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https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=4551798&hl=

DS-2CD2043G0-I - HIKVISION 4MP H265 TrueWDR ExIR 30m Bullet IP67 IP PoE Camera
This camera got Built-in SD Slot, Support up to 128GB MicroSD
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Hi Sifus,

Not sure where else to ask in lowyat, while browsing about CCTV PSU I came across this thread.

Anyway I've 16 Contronetix camera powered up by this PSU. The connection is Co-axial It was installed while I was away so wasn't sure if I got a lousy or defective unit. The current Power supply's fan is spinning so hard 24/7 so I'm thinking if the wattage consumption is too much for the current unit.

Perhaps someone can shed some light and help me on this as I'm quite the noob for CCTV.

Before I head back to the shop I've got my unit to ask for an exchange or buy a new one, can I know what PSU brand is recommended for CCTV and what to look out for in choosing the next PSU?

Thanks!
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QUOTE(FollowMeRogerThat @ Apr 12 2019, 03:31 PM)
Hi Sifus,

Not sure where else to ask in lowyat, while browsing about CCTV PSU I came across this thread.

Anyway I've 16 Contronetix camera powered up by this PSU. The connection is Co-axial It was installed while I was away so wasn't sure if I got a lousy or defective unit. The current Power supply's fan is spinning so hard 24/7 so I'm thinking if the wattage consumption is too much for the current unit.

Perhaps someone can shed some light and help me on this as I'm quite the noob for CCTV.

Before I head back to the shop I've got my unit to ask for an exchange or buy a new one, can I know what PSU brand is recommended for CCTV and what to look out for in choosing the next PSU?

Thanks!
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what type of power supply u are using?
How many Amp?
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Hello, first time installing cctv. just got the quotation. What do you guys think?

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Went to lowyat. And got 1/2 the price of that cynics.

HIKvision

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QUOTE(naqib0307 @ Apr 16 2019, 01:56 PM)
Went to lowyat. And got 1/2 the price of that cynics.

HIKvision

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Y not try NVR with POE.
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QUOTE(naqib0307 @ Apr 16 2019, 01:56 PM)
Went to lowyat. And got 1/2 the price of that cynics.

HIKvision

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Bro, what's the name of the shop?
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Y not try NVR with POE.
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That is nvr with poe. 8 ports
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Bro, what's the name of the shop?
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QUOTE(naqib0307 @ Apr 16 2019, 01:56 PM)
Went to lowyat. And got 1/2 the price of that cynics.

HIKvision

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if buy from lowyat, how do you settle the setup and installation ?
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if buy from lowyat, how do you settle the setup and installation ?
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Oh. During the renovation, i did cat6 wiring as well 8 points for cctv and the rest is ethernet port. I'll do the installation by myself. Planning to do it this weekend if all the works is completed.
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QUOTE(naqib0307 @ Apr 17 2019, 06:23 AM)
Oh. During the renovation, i did cat6 wiring as well 8 points for cctv and the rest is ethernet port. I'll do the installation by myself. Planning to do it this weekend if all the works is completed.
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Hi bro, update us if the installation went well. I'm on the same boat... my renovation is ongoing hence my contractor did Cat 6 wiring for 8 points too. But have not purchased the nvr & camera yet. Looking to purchase in Lazada and install myself.
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QUOTE(vignesh77 @ Apr 17 2019, 09:17 AM)
Hi bro, update us if the installation went well. I'm on the same boat... my renovation is ongoing hence my contractor did Cat 6 wiring for 8 points too. But have not purchased the nvr & camera yet. Looking to purchase in Lazada and install myself.
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Sure will do
My setup.
All network cable including fibre will go to 1 place. Install the mounting rack inside there.
My alarm box also is there.
- Patch panel
- Gigabit switch
- 8ch NVR
- Router

Unifi will come and install maybe on saturday if everything goes as planned. I asked my wiring guy to make route for fibre cable from tmbox outside to that room. So later when tm come they just need to pull cable.

My cctv will be 4 outdoor, 4 indoor.

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Sri computer.
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They sell nvr/camera with international firmware version? Not the hacked eng firmware
No issues to update nvr?

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Sure will do
My setup.
All network cable including fibre will go to 1 place. Install the mounting rack inside there.
My alarm box also is there.
- Patch panel
- Gigabit switch
- 8ch NVR
- Router

Unifi will come and install maybe on saturday if everything goes as planned. I asked my wiring guy to make route for fibre cable from tmbox outside to that room. So later when tm come they just need to pull cable.

My cctv will be 4 outdoor, 4 indoor.
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Share the photos bro once done. I was thinking of placement as:

Router, modem & switch at staircase (middle of house)
NVR hidden in plaster ceiling.

Setup:

1. Modem > router > 8 port gigabit switch > RJ45 wall plate (4 rooms, 1 living, 1 family hall)
2. Modem > router > 8 ch NVR > 6 outdoor & 2 indoor cameras
3. NVR > hdmi splitter > HDMI wall plate (living & family hall)
4. NVR > VGA wall plate (Master room)

Am I missing something else?

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I am running hikvision cams and NVR installed myself. I find myself using the hikvision app to view the NVR most of the time rather than on the TV. It is so much easier, since I do not have a monitor/TV in my room. However, sometimes, playback via the app not so smooth. So, you may not need the monitor in your master room. Just use your phone/tablet. My 2 cen.


Setup line crossing or intrusion detection and the app alerts you. Had to trial and error the sensitivity and other parameters to have it working just right. Otherwise, too much alerts.

This post has been edited by Jase: Apr 17 2019, 01:35 PM
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QUOTE(Jase @ Apr 17 2019, 01:33 PM)
I am running hikvision cams and NVR installed myself. I find myself using the hikvision app to view the NVR most of the time rather than on the TV. It is so much easier, since I do not have a monitor/TV in my room. However, sometimes, playback via the app not so smooth. So, you may not need the monitor in your master room. Just use your phone/tablet. My 2 cen.
Setup line crossing or intrusion detection and the app alerts you. Had to trial and error the sensitivity and other parameters to have it working just right. Otherwise, too much alerts.
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May i know which camera and nvr are you using?
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QUOTE(vignesh77 @ Apr 17 2019, 12:08 PM)
Share the photos bro once done. I was thinking of placement as:

Router, modem & switch at staircase (middle of house)
NVR hidden in plaster ceiling.

Setup:

1. Modem > router > 8 port gigabit switch > RJ45 wall plate (4 rooms, 1 living, 1 family hall)
2. Modem > router > 8 ch NVR > 6 outdoor & 2 indoor cameras
3. NVR > hdmi splitter > HDMI wall plate (living & family hall)
4. NVR > VGA wall plate (Master room)

Am I missing something else?
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For me I do not need the hdmi. It is macam in the past already tongue.gif hahaha use single cable for all. I dont plan to put a tv/monitor there. If android TV/android box got the apps then it is good. Plus, I pulled the cable to the bedrooms as well. Can view using pc/phone. Just need to get good router.

If any problem need to climb to your ceiling? Or is it a norm people put it in ceiling. Sorry still new to this hahaha.

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i planned to do something like this
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QUOTE(naqib0307 @ Apr 17 2019, 03:39 PM)
For me I do not need the hdmi. It is macam in the past already  tongue.gif  hahaha use single cable for all. I dont plan to put a tv/monitor there. If android TV/android box got the apps then it is good. Plus, I pulled the cable to the bedrooms as well. Can view using pc/phone. Just need to get good router.

If any problem need to climb to your ceiling? Or is it a norm people put it in ceiling. Sorry still new to this hahaha.

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i planned to do something like this
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your dvr 439
4 x camera 329x4 =1316
1T hdd prolly 150
poe switch 130

total 2035.
the original cynics quotation around 2400

So that fell make a few hundred buck from you only. fair enough la bro ppl need to make a living providing service to others whom have no knowledge to install/setup themselves.

You will need to connect a monitor to your dvr to do the initial set, tests everything working before sending it up the ceiling which is actually not that uncommon.
do all the monitoring via tablet /hp. good luck.
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QUOTE(kimzee @ Apr 17 2019, 05:39 PM)
your dvr 439
4 x camera 329x4 =1316
1T hdd  prolly 150
poe switch 130

total 2035.
the original cynics quotation around 2400

So that fell make a few hundred buck from you only. fair enough la bro ppl need to make a living providing service to  others whom have no knowledge to install/setup themselves.

You will need to connect a monitor to your dvr to do the initial set, tests everything working before sending it up the ceiling which is actually not  that uncommon.
do all the monitoring via tablet /hp. good luck.
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Firstly maybe you need to read properly my post and see the picture i uploaded. Second, eventho if its 400 , it is still money. He earn money from there, i also need to work to get the rm400.

The quotation given for cynics
2MP camera RM 290 each. And total up whole system after disc RM2.4k

The one that i got.
2MP Hikvision RM220 x 4 = RM880
8ch nvr poe RM400
1TB hdd RM150
Total = RM1430

Maybe rm1k not alot for you. Just giving options to others



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QUOTE(naqib0307 @ Apr 17 2019, 06:38 PM)
Firstly maybe you need to read properly my post and see the picture i uploaded. Second, eventho if its 400 , it is still money. He earn money from there, i also need to work to get the rm400.

The quotation given for cynics
2MP camera RM 290 each. And total up whole system after disc RM2.4k

The one that i got.
2MP Hikvision RM220 x 4 = RM880
8ch nvr poe RM400
1TB hdd RM150
Total = RM1430

Maybe rm1k not alot for you. Just giving options to others

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Dunno why nowadays ppl so quarrelsome. confused.gif

1) I did not say you are doing anything wrong.
2) I just roughly calculate the cost based on the sticker price on the boxes to estimate the savings.
3) Obviously, if you have the knowledge to do the work yourself I would say go ahead and do it. I even give you a few tips on that and everbody knows saving money is important.

Just that companies helping others setup their system need to make a living and pay staff salaries. Of course there are many cut throat vendors around which I did not dispute.
So the option to scout around for prices and compare quotations is always there.
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BTW........If you source from Taboa you will find the prices are cheaper still. Just that if there is problem with the product you have to solve it yourself.



Cheers and pls dun bother to reply to my comments.

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May i know which camera and nvr are you using?
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QUOTE(vignesh77 @ Apr 17 2019, 12:08 PM)
Share the photos bro once done. I was thinking of placement as:

Router, modem & switch at staircase (middle of house)
NVR hidden in plaster ceiling.

Setup:

1. Modem > router > 8 port gigabit switch > RJ45 wall plate (4 rooms, 1 living, 1 family hall)
2. Modem > router > 8 ch NVR > 6 outdoor & 2 indoor cameras
3. NVR > hdmi splitter > HDMI wall plate (living & family hall)
4. NVR > VGA wall plate (Master room)

Am I missing something else?
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Hi vignesh77
item 3 and 4, why not use HDMI extender? that way you can just drag additional cat6 cables to your living and master bedroom instead of different and expensive cables? Should be able to save a bit on cables
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QUOTE(vignesh77 @ Apr 17 2019, 12:08 PM)
Share the photos bro once done. I was thinking of placement as:

Router, modem & switch at staircase (middle of house)
NVR hidden in plaster ceiling.

Setup:

1. Modem > router > 8 port gigabit switch > RJ45 wall plate (4 rooms, 1 living, 1 family hall)
2. Modem > router > 8 ch NVR > 6 outdoor & 2 indoor cameras
3. NVR > hdmi splitter > HDMI wall plate (living & family hall)
4. NVR > VGA wall plate (Master room)

Am I missing something else?
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Only installed 3/8 cam. The rest waiting for wiring complete and after interior paint/ plaster ceiling for living done.


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QUOTE(naqib0307 @ Apr 21 2019, 04:52 PM)
Only installed 3/8 cam. The rest waiting for wiring complete and after interior paint/ plaster ceiling for living done.
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So you choose 2 or 4Mp?
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So you choose 2 or 4Mp?
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4MP.

2MP dome x 2pcs cause that is the only stock they have for dome
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Only installed 3/8 cam. The rest waiting for wiring complete and after interior paint/ plaster ceiling for living done.
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So many LAN ports
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QUOTE(Nando's @ Apr 21 2019, 07:02 PM)
Is this your home setup? hmm.gif

So many LAN ports
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hahaha. this one weekdays home. Just gonna be there at night only Mon-Thurs lol. CCTV whole house rclxm9.gif

Now i realised, bought the wrong switch hahaha. Shouldve bought 8 gigabit ports with poe. That one is 16 gigabit port which is a lot more than i need lol

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Hi vignesh77
item 3 and 4, why not use HDMI extender? that way you can just drag additional cat6 cables to your living and master bedroom instead of different and expensive cables? Should be able to save a bit on cables
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Heyya, just thought bout it. Yes u are right, better to go for hdmi extender...Tq for the heads up bro


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QUOTE(mv_wong @ Apr 18 2019, 06:00 PM)
Hi vignesh77
item 3 and 4, why not use HDMI extender? that way you can just drag additional cat6 cables to your living and master bedroom instead of different and expensive cables? Should be able to save a bit on cables
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Heyya, just thought bout it. Yes u are right, better to go for hdmi extender...Tq for the heads up bro.

Anyone know which type of extender to buy. The stand alone or the one with dc power?
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All, another noob question. If i buy 16 port POE Gigabit switch, can i use 5 ports as wall plate for lan connection and balance for powering POE cameras without the need of NVR?

Another Q, if i decide to use NvR without the cat5e ports, the connection will be like Router > POE switch > NVR and the cameras will be connected to the switch?
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hahaha. this one weekdays home. Just gonna be there at night only Mon-Thurs lol. CCTV whole house  rclxm9.gif

Now i realised, bought the wrong switch hahaha. Shouldve bought 8 gigabit ports with poe. That one is 16 gigabit port which is a lot more than i need lol
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QUOTE(vignesh77 @ Apr 21 2019, 09:54 PM)
All, another noob question. If i buy 16 port POE Gigabit switch, can i use 5 ports as wall plate for lan connection and balance for powering POE cameras without the need of NVR? Yes.

Another Q, if i decide to use NvR without the cat5e ports, the connection will be like Router > POE switch > NVR and the cameras will be connected to the switch?
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Yes.
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QUOTE(Nando's @ Apr 22 2019, 09:09 AM)
No wonder, 16 ports for a house is like WOW  rclxm9.gif
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Actually got lah hahaha. Installed at hometown 16 ports and next project to add 16ch nvr but this one cannot diy hahaha too many to install.

Each room 2 ports, 1 for tv 1 for pc. Living, dining, kitchen, some area to install ap.
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4MP.

2MP dome x 2pcs cause that is the only stock they have for dome
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Got video comparisons to share? 2 & 4Mp.
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Got video comparisons to share? 2 & 4Mp.
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I have not installed the 2MP camera yet.

Here some photos day and night for 4MP camera taken using phone application

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Found 1 more store selling hikvision at lowyat. cheaper. The same 4MP camera i bought @ RM290 each. They are selling RM250 each for 8pcs. Buy more get cheaper.
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QUOTE(naqib0307 @ Apr 22 2019, 11:46 AM)
I have not installed the 2MP camera yet.

Here some photos day and night for 4MP camera taken using phone application

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All using main stream?
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All using main stream?
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QUOTE(vignesh77 @ Apr 21 2019, 09:54 PM)
All, another noob question. If i buy 16 port POE Gigabit switch, can i use 5 ports as wall plate for lan connection and balance for powering POE cameras without the need of NVR?

Another Q, if i decide to use NvR without the cat5e ports, the connection will be like Router > POE switch > NVR and the cameras will be connected to the switch?
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Not all switches comes with all ports supporting POE, some will come with a specific number of POE switches. So take note when buying.
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QUOTE(naqib0307 @ Apr 22 2019, 11:46 AM)
I have not installed the 2MP camera yet.

Here some photos day and night for 4MP camera taken using phone application

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The last picture, is the lighting provided by your house lights? or that's the totally dark scene but the camera night mode are able to take this picture without much light source?
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QUOTE(naqib0307 @ Apr 22 2019, 12:34 PM)
Found 1 more store selling hikvision at lowyat. cheaper. The same 4MP camera i bought @ RM290 each. They are selling RM250 each for 8pcs. Buy more get cheaper.
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Do share the shop name!! blush.gif
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The last picture, is the lighting provided by your house lights? or that's the totally dark scene but the camera night mode are able to take this picture without much light source?
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the last picture should be the camera night mode. This house is under renovation. Nothing inside including lights. Empty house with cctv lol
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The last picture, is the lighting provided by your house lights? or that's the totally dark scene but the camera night mode are able to take this picture without much light source?
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You can see the camera IR reflected on the back wall & on the left could be his neighbour's back lights or street lamp. I don't know if this HIK model can be configure as 5MP or is strictly 4MP. If 4MP it is not using Sony CMOS so you will notice a bit of noise during low lights.
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You can see the camera IR reflected on the back wall & on the left could be  his neighbour's back lights or street lamp. I don't know if this HIK model can be configure as 5MP or is strictly 4MP. If 4MP it is not using Sony CMOS so you will notice a bit of noise during low lights.
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im not sure which cmos. But this is the specs

http://www.cctvcentersl.es/upload/Catalogo...2CD1043GO-I.pdf
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Found 1 more store selling hikvision at lowyat. cheaper. The same 4MP camera i bought @ RM290 each. They are selling RM250 each for 8pcs. Buy more get cheaper.
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Noticed that we can get for RM250 at Lazada too. DS-2CD1143G0-I & DS-2CD1043G0-I at RM255.
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Got video comparisons to share? 2 & 4Mp.
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Was reading the other day some UK based site. It seems they prefer 2mp compared to 4mp due to lower noise rate & better sharpness. And also eats up lesser hdd space.

Can't locate the website again. Anyone has experience using both 2mp & 4mp? Please share your thoughts.
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Was reading the other day some UK based site. It seems they prefer 2mp compared to 4mp due to lower noise rate & better sharpness. And also eats up lesser hdd space.

Can't locate the website again. Anyone has experience using both 2mp & 4mp? Please share your thoughts.
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I will install it this sunday. Will update later. If everything goes well for this house I'm planning for next project which will have 24 camera.

Currently got contractor for pulling cable and conduit for about rm90 each point. So just left to plug n play the cctv
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QUOTE(vignesh77 @ Apr 23 2019, 09:25 AM)
Was reading the other day some UK based site. It seems they prefer 2mp compared to 4mp due to lower noise rate & better sharpness. And also eats up lesser hdd space.

Can't locate the website again. Anyone has experience using both 2mp & 4mp? Please share your thoughts.
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Actually 4Mp sucks. It normally use OV4689 sensor size 1/3 & looses out to Sony CMOS during low light.

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hi all, i'm new to cam, want to know will you prefer wired cam? or wireless but not that cheap?
just read thisWyze Cam v2 vs. Blink XT Camera
Wyze Cam v2 overall is good, price is good too, but it is a wired cam, hard for me to install..


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what type of power supply u are using?
How many Amp?
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it's 20 Amp

I contacted the seller and he said the fan is not supposed to spin this loud.

So he recommended one no brand Power supply for RM75 (also 20 AMP) and another branded - Meanwell for RM290 (seller writes it as 29 Ah so I reckon it's 29 AMP)

I reckon get the Meanwell to solve the problem once and for all? Coz it's really loud and warm cry.gif
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QUOTE(xiubak cheng @ Apr 23 2019, 11:36 AM)
hi all, i'm new to cam, want to know will you prefer wired cam? or wireless but not that cheap?
just read thisWyze Cam v2 vs. Blink XT Camera
Wyze Cam v2 overall is good, price is good too, but it is a wired cam, hard for me to install..
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I have a few Wyze Cam V2 and it is wireless.
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QUOTE(lleihuan @ Apr 23 2019, 03:00 PM)
I have a few Wyze Cam V2 and it is wireless.
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I think he mean the power cable.
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QUOTE(FollowMeRogerThat @ Apr 23 2019, 02:48 PM)
it's 20 Amp

I contacted the seller and he said the fan is not supposed to spin this loud.

So he recommended one no brand Power supply for RM75 (also 20 AMP) and another branded - Meanwell for RM290 (seller writes it as 29 Ah so I reckon it's 29 AMP)

I reckon get the Meanwell to solve the problem once and for all? Coz it's really loud and warm cry.gif
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29Ah ? got built-in battery?

Meanwell 20A Power supply is around rm280.
With enclosure box, short-circuit protection pcb.
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I think he mean the power cable.
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QUOTE(idealhometech @ Apr 23 2019, 08:26 PM)
29Ah ? got built-in battery?

Meanwell 20A Power supply is around rm280.
With enclosure box, short-circuit protection pcb.
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I'm not sure whether it comes with battery. Will find out later today. Seller did indicate to me 29Ah and picture shown it's the same small rectangular metal square box kind.

I have a feeling it's this one right here


Meanwell tongue.gif can you share me the link for this RM280 set. I will still prefer to get one from local store but still good as a reference.

So ideally, a good one should come with battery, enclosure box and short-circuit protection?


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QUOTE(FollowMeRogerThat @ Apr 24 2019, 08:33 AM)
I'm not sure whether it comes with battery. Will find out later today. Seller did indicate to me 29Ah and picture shown it's the same small rectangular metal square box kind.

I have a feeling it's this one right here
Meanwell  tongue.gif  can you share me the link for this RM280 set. I will still prefer to get one from local store but still good as a reference.

So ideally, a good one should come with battery,  enclosure box and short-circuit protection?
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The 1 i mention is like this:
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RM280

U can see the board with red LEDs, that is for short circuit protection.

The Power Supply with backup battery max 10A only.. RM300

U use 20A because u got 16cameras?

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would it be if the camera directly connect to home wifi?
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would it be if the camera directly connect to home wifi?
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If your camera support wifi, u can jz link them to home wifi router.
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QUOTE(idealhometech @ Apr 24 2019, 10:49 AM)
The 1 i mention is like this:
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RM280

U can see the board with red LEDs, that is for short circuit protection.

The Power Supply with backup battery max 10A only.. RM300

U use 20A because u got 16cameras?
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well it was provided as part of the DVR + 16 CCTV package that I got from local store

are you pricings from some online store that I can view? Mind pm me the links? Interested to try out this Meanwell nod.gif


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well it was provided as part of the DVR + 16 CCTV package that I got from local store

are you pricings from some online store that I can view? Mind pm me the links? Interested to try out this Meanwell  nod.gif
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We got sell it.. RM280.
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QUOTE(idealhometech @ Apr 24 2019, 04:47 PM)
We got sell it.. RM280.
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Ah... sweat.gif I just noticed your signature... shall PM you
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Just installed another 3 camera today

4MP bullet. Lights off.
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2MP Dome. Got light source at the back (kitchen)

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Car porch. 4MP bullet

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HIKVISION 4MP IP Camera:

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QUOTE(idealhometech @ Apr 29 2019, 01:43 PM)
HIKVISION 4MP IP Camera:

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So far Im okay with hikvision. As a seller, what do you think if compare dahua with hikvision?

planning for a bigger project, so need to consider if there are better options.
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QUOTE(idealhometech @ Apr 24 2019, 01:08 PM)
If your camera support wifi, u can jz link them to home wifi router.
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QUOTE(idealhometech @ Apr 29 2019, 02:43 PM)
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This one how much?
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QUOTE(naqib0307 @ Apr 29 2019, 03:08 PM)
So far Im okay with hikvision. As a seller, what do you think if compare dahua with hikvision?

planning for a bigger project, so need to consider if there are better options.
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Depends on your need and spec. Some camera Hikvision is better, so Dahua better. So normally we will study the project requirement then only recommend.
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QUOTE(se800i @ Apr 29 2019, 05:21 PM)
Taobao alot.... I believe local market pun alot...
This one how much?
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RM250 with 18mth local warranty.

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Hi. any seller here that have DS-7732NI-I4/24P in stock can pls pm me
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QUOTE(naqib0307 @ May 2 2019, 05:34 PM)
Hi. any seller here that have DS-7732NI-I4/24P in stock can pls pm me
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Why use Built-in 24Port PoE model for this 32Ch NVR?
u can buy the non-PoE model DS-7732NI-K4 and get the PoE Switch, cheaper.
Also, easier for future service and maintenance.

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QUOTE(idealhometech @ May 2 2019, 06:52 PM)
Why use Built-in 24Port PoE model for this 32Ch NVR?
u can buy the non-PoE model DS-7732NI-K4 and get the PoE Switch, cheaper.
Also, easier for future service and maintenance.
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But poe switch is expensive tho.

Currently plan

7732 24poe ports + 8 gigabit poe switch
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QUOTE(naqib0307 @ May 2 2019, 09:34 PM)
But poe switch is expensive tho.

Currently plan

7732 24poe ports + 8 gigabit poe switch
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Go for 7732 w/o PoE. Get HIKVISION POE switch L2 unmanaged. 16+16. Lesser cable run.
Don’t have price list with me now.

*disclaimer: I’m with HIKVISION Malaysia

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QUOTE(frostier @ May 3 2019, 12:14 AM)
Go for 7732 w/o PoE. Get HIKVISION POE switch L2 unmanaged. 16+16. Lesser cable run.
Don’t have price list with me now.

*disclaimer: I’m with HIKVISION Malaysia
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Can I use any poe switch? For example dlink/tplink poe switch
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Can I use any poe switch? For example dlink/tplink poe switch
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Each camera have diff power consumption.


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My solo project tomorrow 😂😂. Hopefully everything goes well.
Bought the nvr from idealhometech. Quick response. I like dealing with this kind of people.

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QUOTE(naqib0307 @ May 3 2019, 11:34 PM)
My solo project tomorrow 😂😂. Hopefully everything goes well.
Bought the nvr from idealhometech. Quick response. I like dealing with this kind of people.

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How much for all?
Also, can use ezviz cloud with no issues?
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How much for all?
Also, can use ezviz cloud with no issues?
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Havent calculate all. Cam about rm 6.2k, nvr 1.2k, 4TB x 2 RM840, UPS X 2 RM398 each, dlink ac1300 poe AP x 2 rm500 each.

I dont use ezviz cloud for previous cctv setup. All using hik-connect.


Just installed the first patch panel. Maybe can complete tomorrow. It really is pain in the ass installing all the cameras in hot weather 😂😂 but it is worth it. Left about 5 cameras to install. .



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i was quoted 4 cam (2MP) complete with installation and 2 years warranty. (not sure how many channel but accessible via phone using wifi) for 2K.

Any comments?
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recently, the safety issue has risen in my home garden area.
Yesterday got break in in my neighborhood.
I am planning to install CCTV but didnt want to call vendor to install as it will cost a few thousand.

I plan to buy those wireless connection to wifi and install myself...

Is it difficult to install myself at car porch?
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QUOTE(brianccg @ May 8 2019, 12:22 PM)
i was quoted 4 cam (2MP) complete with installation and 2 years warranty. (not sure how many channel but accessible via phone using wifi) for 2K.

Any comments?
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almost the same as what I was quoted but excluding wiring.

4 x 2MP poe camera, 4CH nvr, 4CH poe switch + installation.
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What apc ups model is that? Was thinking of buying a ups myself.. currently considering the koss sylion model..
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What apc ups model is that? Was thinking of buying a ups myself.. currently considering the koss sylion model..
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recently, the safety issue has risen in my home garden area.
Yesterday got break in in my neighborhood.
I am planning to install CCTV but didnt want to call vendor to install as it will cost a few thousand.

I plan to buy those wireless connection to wifi and install myself...

Is it difficult to install myself at car porch?
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i was quoted 4 cam (2MP) complete with installation and 2 years warranty. (not sure how many channel but accessible via phone using wifi) for 2K.

Any comments?
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Depends on what system, either analog/coax system like TVI, CVI, AHD or IP System.
Usually IP System is more expensive.
It is good for you if u can get the detail quotation from the seller.
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My solo project tomorrow 😂😂. Hopefully everything goes well.
Bought the nvr from idealhometech. Quick response. I like dealing with this kind of people.

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I wonder how the 5Mp quality compare to your 4Mp. Will test it out when free.
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Damn. If they have the 5MP sure i'd get it. I thought u told me before it was analog? Hahaha
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Damn. If they have the 5MP sure i'd get it. I thought u told me before it was analog? Hahaha
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I mean I tested was 5Mp HIK analog.
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IP cam comes in 2, 4 and 8MP

The advantage for IP cam is the VCA itself
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I wonder how the 5Mp quality compare to your 4Mp. Will test it out when free.
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For that 5MP Cam, if u set it to max reso 5MP, the frame rate is 15fps.
For 4MP Cam, if set to max reso 4MP, frame rate is 20fps,
so for the same series 2MP Cam, frame rate is 25fps.
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Damn. If they have the 5MP sure i'd get it. I thought u told me before it was analog? Hahaha
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5MP is Analog
IP cam comes in 2, 4 and 8MP

The advantage for IP cam is the VCA itself
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Hey bro, are you sure you are from HIK? No 5Mp IPC? Sent my regards to Sally brows.gif
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Hi guys,
I'm surveying for CCTV, I saw plenty of comparison on Google for Analog vs. IP, both got pros and cons. What is still the suggested method?
Thanks!
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Hi guys,
I'm surveying for CCTV, I saw plenty of comparison on Google for Analog vs. IP, both got pros and cons. What is still the suggested method?
Thanks!
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QUOTE(OhNooy @ May 10 2019, 02:17 PM)
Hi guys,
I'm surveying for CCTV, I saw plenty of comparison on Google for Analog vs. IP, both got pros and cons. What is still the suggested method?
Thanks!
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The only cons that I can think of for IP Camera is the pricing. So if you can afford the little bit extra, IP is the way to go. With POE so much neater no need separate cabling for power.

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Hi guys,
I'm surveying for CCTV, I saw plenty of comparison on Google for Analog vs. IP, both got pros and cons. What is still the suggested method?
Thanks!
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QUOTE(adamw @ May 10 2019, 06:25 PM)
The only cons that I can think of for IP Camera is the pricing. So if you can afford the little bit extra, IP is the way to go. With POE so much neater no need separate cabling for power.
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The cost for pulling cables and add new power point for my cctv setup is about RM3k. Not sure about analog cctv wiring.
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Hey bro, are you sure you are from HIK? No 5Mp IPC? Sent my regards to Sally brows.gif
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I’m sure because I no longer quoting 5MP for project. Perhaps those lower range for consumers?
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The cost for pulling cables and add new power point for my cctv setup is about RM3k. Not sure about analog cctv wiring.
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I thought you are using POE? New power point for what? And you are lucky didn't go for 5Mp, it sucks. But too tired to compare the 4Mp side by side.
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I thought you are using POE? New power point for what? And you are lucky didn't go for 5Mp, it sucks. But too tired to compare the 4Mp side by side.
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Power point for my switches, nvr and others. I put the rack @ a quite high position
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Power point for my switches, nvr and others. I put the rack @ a quite high position
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BTW, I realised I tested the 4Mp instead of 5 biggrin.gif
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What's ur budget bro, and how many cameras u are looking at? indoor / outdoor?
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My budget hopefully around 2k without wiring coz wiring will be done by wireman during reno, conceal under plaster ceiling.

QUOTE(adamw @ May 10 2019, 06:25 PM)
The only cons that I can think of for IP Camera is the pricing. So if you can afford the little bit extra, IP is the way to go. With POE so much neater no need separate cabling for power.
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I worry analog will be phasing out in few years, and need multiple cables for 1 cam.

QUOTE(naqib0307 @ May 10 2019, 08:28 PM)
The cost for pulling cables and add new power point for my cctv setup is about RM3k. Not sure about analog cctv wiring.
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How many cameras?
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My budget hopefully around 2k without wiring coz wiring will be done by wireman during reno, conceal under plaster ceiling.
I worry analog will be phasing out in few years, and need multiple cables for 1 cam.
How many cameras?
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QUOTE(OhNooy @ May 11 2019, 11:15 PM)
My budget hopefully around 2k without wiring coz wiring will be done by wireman during reno, conceal under plaster ceiling.
I worry analog will be phasing out in few years, and need multiple cables for 1 cam.
How many cameras?
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Analog will still be around, now they already have 4K but if pixel to pixel for comparison IP still is a little better but will have a bit of latency depending on how you connect them to your NVR.
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My budget hopefully around 2k without wiring coz wiring will be done by wireman during reno, conceal under plaster ceiling.
I worry analog will be phasing out in few years, and need multiple cables for 1 cam.
How many cameras?
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Wiring u can ask ur reno contractor, how much per point pull cable. I got around RM80-90 per point, cable i provide. My contractor told me if without cable he charge rm200+ per point. 1 box cable (305m) range from RM3xx-5xx. alang alang already pull the cable, add some more point for each room / tv point. then later all can put in one rack. Modem, nvr, switch, router, NAS.

Depends on how many cam u want to install. If you plan to install many camera, u can save alot if install it yourself, just make sure u know what you are doing biggrin.gif

Survey where you can get the best deal for camera and nvr. For me, I saved about RM1k for camera after comparing a few places.

Previously, I went to one of cctv installer in putra heights, price for camera with installation quoted about RM2.4k for 4 x 2MP cameras system.

With almost the same price, i bought somewhere else and install it myself, got myself 8 x 4MP cameras.
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Wiring u can ask ur reno contractor, how much per point pull cable. I got around RM80-90 per point, cable i provide. My contractor told me if without cable he charge rm200+ per point. 1 box cable (305m) range from RM3xx-5xx. alang alang already pull the cable, add some more point for each room / tv point. then later all can put in one rack. Modem, nvr, switch, router, NAS.

Depends on how many cam u want to install. If you plan to install many camera, u can save alot if install it yourself, just make sure u know what you are doing  biggrin.gif

Survey where you can get the best deal for camera and nvr.  For me, I saved about RM1k for camera after comparing a few places.

Previously, I went to one of cctv installer in putra heights, price for camera with installation quoted about RM2.4k for  4 x 2MP cameras system.

With almost the same price, i bought somewhere else and install it myself, got myself 8 x 4MP cameras.
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But if the guy install for you within 1 year he will need to come and service if any camera spoilt, NVR problem etc. But your way you will need to take out the camera yourself & sent in for warranty.
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Compare the HIK 5Mp with mine. 4Mp can just forget it. Btw, fps for HIK 5Mp only 12.5 & not 15.

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Compare the HIK 5Mp with mine. 4Mp can just forget it. Btw, fps for HIK 5Mp only 12.5 & not 15.
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This 5MP is coaxial type? what model?
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Analog will still be around, now they already have 4K but if pixel to pixel for comparison IP still is a little better but will have a bit of latency depending on how you connect them to your NVR.
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QUOTE(naqib0307 @ May 12 2019, 10:55 AM)
Wiring u can ask ur reno contractor, how much per point pull cable. I got around RM80-90 per point, cable i provide. My contractor told me if without cable he charge rm200+ per point. 1 box cable (305m) range from RM3xx-5xx. alang alang already pull the cable, add some more point for each room / tv point. then later all can put in one rack. Modem, nvr, switch, router, NAS.

Depends on how many cam u want to install. If you plan to install many camera, u can save alot if install it yourself, just make sure u know what you are doing  biggrin.gif

Survey where you can get the best deal for camera and nvr.  For me, I saved about RM1k for camera after comparing a few places.

Previously, I went to one of cctv installer in putra heights, price for camera with installation quoted about RM2.4k for  4 x 2MP cameras system.

With almost the same price, i bought somewhere else and install it myself, got myself 8 x 4MP cameras.
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Any specific IP camera to recommend? These are not wireless type right? Some people said wireless IP camera tend to be hacked, true?
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QUOTE(alexander3133 @ May 13 2019, 06:03 AM)
This 5MP is coaxial type? what model?
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5Mp IP Camera, 2nd is my own oem & 3rd is HIK ds-2cd1053g0-i
QUOTE(OhNooy @ May 13 2019, 06:42 AM)
Any specific IP camera to recommend? These are not wireless type right? Some people said wireless IP camera tend to be hacked, true?
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Both wireless & wired also can be hacked but there are more run of the mill type for wireless from smaller company so more likely to be hacked.

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QUOTE(adamw @ May 13 2019, 07:28 AM)
5Mp IP Camera, 2nd is my own oem & 3rd is HIK ds-2cd1053g0-i
How come your 5MP IP camera only can work on 12.5 FPS?
Is that limitation on NVR side?
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QUOTE(alexander3133 @ May 13 2019, 08:11 AM)
How come your 5MP IP camera only can work on 12.5 FPS?
Is that limitation on NVR side?
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Nope, HIK IPC limitation. Like the 4Mp is 20 but 1080p is 25. This are low end consumer items. Their pro series can go full frame or even higher but then price is not cheap.
4Mp HIK compare with my 5Mp.

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Any recommendation for wireless cctv that does not require nvr? Like uploading to cloud directly. I saw Xiaomi got, but not sure really good or not.
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QUOTE(OhNooy @ May 14 2019, 10:16 AM)
Any recommendation for wireless cctv that does not require nvr? Like uploading to cloud directly. I saw Xiaomi got, but not sure really good or not.
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Indoor or outdoor? Need pan & tilt?
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Both indoor and outdoor. Pan & tilt optional.
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Hi guys!

I'm building my dream house now (currently in the early stage of foundation and ground beam) and expected to start the electrical wiring within 3 months. I will use my wireman to pull cables for alarm n cctv. btw He doesn't know how to setup the alarm n cctv, so I'll setup myself.

So my question:

1. I have no experience in cctv or alarm installation, but I consider myself to be quite good in following manuals and quick learner in IT stuff haha. (btw I setup my own networking in my offices and home. with mikrotik/ubiquiti hardwares). How's the learning curve in setup the alarm and cctv?

2. Alarm: I'm considering the Paradox Magellan wireless alarm system. Is this okay? I really do not mind changing the batteries. The convenience of no wire is very appealing to me, is there any other concern with this system?

3. CCTV: I'm planning to have IP based cctv, with 8 indoor and 8 outdoor cameras. My whole house will be wired with cat6, so I think I should just go with poe-powered cctv? Any recommendation of system/brand?

Thank you! smile.gif


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QUOTE(aliex87 @ May 18 2019, 04:33 PM)
Hi guys!

I'm building my dream house now (currently in the early stage of foundation and ground beam) and expected to start the electrical wiring within 3 months. I will use my wireman to pull cables for alarm n cctv. btw He doesn't know how to setup the alarm n cctv, so I'll setup myself.

So my question:

1. I have no experience in cctv or alarm installation, but I consider myself to be quite good in following manuals and quick learner in IT stuff haha. (btw I setup my own networking in my offices and home. with mikrotik/ubiquiti hardwares). How's the learning curve in setup the alarm and cctv?

2. Alarm: I'm considering the Paradox Magellan wireless alarm system. Is this okay? I really do not mind changing the batteries. The convenience of no wire is very appealing to me, is there any other concern with this system?

3. CCTV: I'm planning to have IP based cctv, with 8 indoor and 8 outdoor cameras. My whole house will be wired with cat6, so I think I should just go with poe-powered cctv? Any recommendation of system/brand?

Thank you! smile.gif
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1.It's not that difficult to DIY.
2.Have you look into Smart Home solution with Alarm?
3. You cannot go wrong with POE IP camera. Of course I would say my IP Camera is better than Dahua/HIK consumer series. brows.gif

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1.It's not that difficult to DIY.
2.Have you look into Smart Home solution with Alarm?
3. You cannot go wrong with POE IP camera. Of course I would say my IP Camera is better than Dahua/HIK consumer series. brows.gif
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Thank you so much for your reply!

1. good to know this!

2. Is "Smart Home Solution" a brand? if not, any specific model/brand that I can look into? And I forgot to mention I need everything in English only.

3. Interesting, do you sell IP Cameras?

Thank you! smile.gif
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QUOTE(aliex87 @ May 18 2019, 09:35 PM)
Thank you so much for your reply!

1. good to know this!

2. Is "Smart Home Solution" a brand? if not, any specific model/brand that I can look into? And I forgot to mention I need everything in English only.

3. Interesting, do you sell IP Cameras?

Thank you! smile.gif
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2.Smart Home
3.Yes, I do and if my IP Camera video quality loose out to Dahua/HIK consumer grade, will give you 100% refund.
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QUOTE(aliex87 @ May 18 2019, 04:33 PM)
Hi guys!

I'm building my dream house now (currently in the early stage of foundation and ground beam) and expected to start the electrical wiring within 3 months. I will use my wireman to pull cables for alarm n cctv. btw He doesn't know how to setup the alarm n cctv, so I'll setup myself.

So my question:

1. I have no experience in cctv or alarm installation, but I consider myself to be quite good in following manuals and quick learner in IT stuff haha. (btw I setup my own networking in my offices and home. with mikrotik/ubiquiti hardwares). How's the learning curve in setup the alarm and cctv?

2. Alarm: I'm considering the Paradox Magellan wireless alarm system. Is this okay? I really do not mind changing the batteries. The convenience of no wire is very appealing to me, is there any other concern with this system?

3. CCTV: I'm planning to have IP based cctv, with 8 indoor and 8 outdoor cameras. My whole house will be wired with cat6, so I think I should just go with poe-powered cctv? Any recommendation of system/brand?

Thank you! smile.gif
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I did DIY cctv installation first with 8cctv then my 2nd project 27 cameras. it is easy. Plug n play. I did it in 3 days for 27 cam project, most of the camera is up already. And everyday after work at night I continue cleaning up the rack. It was fun doing it yourself. In the meantime, you can do the patch cord first.

I used HIKvision. As a first time user, it is really easy to use. Plug n play. But for DOME camera, need to activate it + create password first using ur pc (not sure if there is other way, im informing based on my experience)

Ask your wireman how much he charge per point to pull cable. You buy your own cable cheaper. My wiremen charged RM80/point. I used DINTEK previously, for the bigger project, i used CAT6 commscope cable. For DIY i suggest this commscope cable. easier to use compared to dintek. Dintek cable is a lot stiffer than commscope. Sakit jari.

If u use POE setup, you can add on also POE Access Point, ceiling/wall mount for wifi coverage for whole house.

When setting up the system, i bring my monitor down to connect to the nvr via hdmi. After it is done, now can monitor using HIK apps or through browser if im viewing from PC.

My setup,

15U wallmount rack
24 ports Dlink cat6 patch panel x 2
16 Ports dlink gigabit switch
Dlink 8 ports gigabit POE switch x 4
Hikvision 7732 nvr (32Ch)
4MP camera DS-2CD1143G0 x 11 pcs (Dome)
4MP camera DS-2CD1043G0 x 16 pcs (Bullet)
1100VA APC UPS x 2

everything fit inside the rack except for the ups i didnt put it inside cause I feel like it will roboh soon if put 10kg ups each lol.


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QUOTE(naqib0307 @ May 19 2019, 12:48 AM)
I did DIY cctv installation first with 8cctv then my 2nd project 27 cameras. it is easy. Plug n play. I did it in 3 days for 27 cam project, most of the camera is up already. And everyday after work at night I continue cleaning up the rack. It was fun doing it yourself. In the meantime, you can do the patch cord first.

I used HIKvision. As a first time user, it is really easy to use. Plug n play. But for DOME camera, need to activate it + create password first using ur pc (not sure if there is other way, im informing based on my experience)

Ask your wireman how much he charge per point to pull cable. You buy your own cable cheaper. My wiremen charged RM80/point. I used DINTEK previously, for the bigger project, i used CAT6 commscope cable. For DIY i suggest this commscope cable. easier to use compared to dintek. Dintek cable is a lot stiffer than commscope. Sakit jari.

If u use POE setup, you can add on also POE Access Point, ceiling/wall mount for wifi coverage for whole house.

When setting up the system, i bring my monitor down to connect to the nvr via hdmi. After it is done, now can monitor using HIK apps or through browser if im viewing from PC.

My setup,

15U wallmount rack
24 ports Dlink cat6 patch panel x 2
16 Ports dlink gigabit switch
Dlink 8 ports gigabit POE switch x 4
Hikvision 7732 nvr (32Ch)
4MP camera DS-2CD1143G0 x 11 pcs (Dome)
4MP camera DS-2CD1043G0 x 16 pcs (Bullet)
1100VA APC UPS x 2

everything fit inside the rack except for the ups i didnt put it inside cause I feel like it will roboh soon if put 10kg ups each lol.
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Yes, actually HIK should have given an option to let you use the IPC on the local lan without to bother with the activation. But maybe they have learn the lesson when they got hacked 2 years ago. BTW, did you activate the P2P for all 27 IPC? Or only view via NVR?

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