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Richard
post Dec 10 2016, 01:41 AM

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QUOTE(westom @ Dec 10 2016, 01:19 AM)
That is because anything that would stop or block lightning is a scam.  A 6kV number does not exist IF the device is not properly earthed.  Again, only scams isolate from or stop lightning.  That camera suffers no damage is the 6kV transient connects to earth on a path that does not pass inside through electronics.

No lightning protector (or lightning rod) protects or isolates from surges including lightning.  Protectors (and lightning rods) are only effective as connecting devices.  Actual protection is done by what harmlessly absorbs hundreds of thousands of joules - earth ground.  Protectors (and rods) protect only by connecting that energy harmlessly to earth.

All protectors (and lightning rods) are fast enough.  What defines that protection?  Quality of and connection to (it must be a low impedance connection) to earth.  How to increase protection?  Make a lower impedance connection (ie wire must be shorter; not thicker).  Expand / upgrade the single point earth ground.  Only then is a protector more effective.
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You really type too much to explain a simple phenomenon..

A simply "path of least resistance" is an apt explanation ..

Also please stop with lower "impedance" when you can narrow the term to be resistance..

What is the frequency are you referring to with your "impedance"..

If you need to be technical then please at least explain why you keep using the term..

Edit* Just becareful when you view profiles.. Nobody here is totally invisible..

This post has been edited by Richard: Dec 10 2016, 02:04 AM
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post Dec 10 2016, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(westom @ Dec 10 2016, 10:56 AM)
Resistance is irrelevant.  Impedance is the significant parameter.

For example, a 12 meter copper wire might be 0.2 ohms resistance.  That same wire is something like 120 ohms impedance.

Other factors also apply.  If a wire has numerous sharp bends, resistance does not change.  But impedance increases significantly.

From an engineer at WXIA-TV:

From the book "Safe Coordination Between Power and Communication Surge Protection":
From Smiths Power application note entitled "AC and DC Power Protection at Communication Sites":
From QST Magazine (by the ARRL) entitled ""Lightning Protection for the Amateur Radio Station"
From Mike Holt's "Grounding vs. Bonding":
From Electrical Engineering Times entitled "Protecting Electrical Devices from Lightning Transients":
Wire thickness affects resistance.  Impedance is defined by wire length and other parameters.  No soundbyte (apt) explanation of science exists.  Sound bytes (simplistic answers) are a first indication of junk science reasoning.  Professionals cite impedance - not resistance.  A protector is only as effective as its earth ground.  That means single point earth ground AND a low *impedance* connection.

That 6kV protection is effective only when a low impedance connection to ground exists.  Then a surge that might create 6000 volts instead creates near zero volts.  How close to zero?  How low is that impedance?
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From my understanding

Ohms..
Impedance = Reactance(inductive + capacitive) + resistance

Where reactance = 2πfL + 1/(2πfC) ; (inductive + capacitive) (f=frequency)

What is the frequency of lightning? Is is DC or AC ?

When lightning strikes it creates a plasma as a conduit to get to ground.. This is purely resistive (as i know air has no frequency)..

What you are reading are reference to lighting with frequency which has no basis..

Our local LPI (lightning protection system) JKR specs have always used the Franklin rod system for protection against lightning strikes "rolling sphere" principle..

Thus your reference to impedance makes no practical use..

The only standards that are employed here (Malaysia) are JKR (bahagian elektrik) which have numerous engineers who have case studied (i mean this literally) schools, government buildings damaged by lightning..

I have not heard of impedance being used in any of the seminars I have attended..

You are welcome to prove me wrong..

Edit * Your example,

a 12 meter copper wire might be 0.2 ohms resistance. That same wire is something like 120 ohms impedance.

It makes no sense if you don't mention the how or the why..

for impedance there must be frequency .. Where is this frequency? and is it inductive or capacitive? what?

Never mind.. I've just concurred with your use of impedance..

This post has been edited by Richard: Dec 10 2016, 12:08 PM
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post Dec 10 2016, 05:29 PM

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QUOTE(idealhometech @ Dec 10 2016, 03:46 PM)
Install SPD

The Surge Protection Device (SPD) is a component of the electrical installation protection system.

This device is connected in parallel on the power supply circuit of the loads that it has to protect (see Fig. J17). It can also be used at all levels of the power supply network.

This is the most commonly used and most efficient type of overvoltage protection.

http://www.electrical-installation.org/enw...on_Device_(SPD)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltfPOXsqtTs


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Yes.. don't forget the earth wire(16mm2) and earth chamber(below 10 Ohms)..

Lightning strikes the overhead cables and gets diverted to ground before it has a chance to reach your equipment..

The earth wire must be properly bonded to the SPD and connected securely to a low resistance earth chamber..



 

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