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alexander3133
post Oct 18 2016, 07:10 AM

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QUOTE(cute_miao @ Oct 18 2016, 12:38 AM)
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Any comment for this quote???

1st time installing here..no idea..takut kena cheat....pruce with wiring
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It looks like a Hikvision system.
Is that 13MP camera? For a TVI system?
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post Oct 18 2016, 08:25 AM

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QUOTE(cute_miao @ Oct 18 2016, 08:04 AM)
thanks for the reply.

that guy did not informed me about it (he is the same guy who will soon help me to install wiring and he is doing cctv n alarm as well). he just said its japanese brand.

can you enlighten me the cctv and alarm things to beware with?
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It is better for you to get the detail specifications of the CCTV system from your alarm guy.
You can refer to the topic starter's well covered 1st post for CCTV to understand the things you have to be aware of.
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post Oct 18 2016, 08:46 AM

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QUOTE(cute_miao @ Oct 18 2016, 08:32 AM)
the list which he provide is not the specification bro??
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The list for CCTV only state what model is the recorder and the camera, not even mentioned the brand.
Detail specification like at what framerate and resolution the video recorder can record, what is the field of view and the minimum illumination of the camera, and etc.

Below is the detail specification of recorder and camera from Hikvision, for your reference, I hope you can read Chinese.
Recorder: http://www1.hikvision.com/cn/prgs_856_i4794.html
Camera: http://www1.hikvision.com/cn/prgs_750_i5944.html

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QUOTE(cute_miao @ Oct 18 2016, 08:04 AM)
thanks for the reply.

that guy did not informed me about it (he is the same guy who will soon help me to install wiring and he is doing cctv n alarm as well). he just said its japanese brand.

can you enlighten me the cctv and alarm things to beware with?
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Also, request your alarm guy to give you surveillance hard disk.
I am not aware of Toshiba has Surveillance hard disk, refer to 1st post on Surveillance Hard disk.
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post Oct 19 2016, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(cute_miao @ Oct 19 2016, 10:04 AM)
Get info from the instsller
Alarm: DCODE/ 7100 model
Cctv camera: HIKVISION/ HD720P IR Bullet Camera DS-2CE16C0T-IR
Hard Drive: HIKVISION/ Turbo HD DVR DS-7200HQHI-F1 series

Should i proceed?.?

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No comment on alarm system as I am not familiar.

CCTV Camera: DS-2CE16C0T-IR
http://overseas.hikvision.com/en/Products_..._176_i5681.html
This one is a 1.0 MP camera, different than what is being written on the paper that you posted earlier.
Can select 3 types of viewing angles or lens, if you want the camera to capture widest angle, then choose 2.8mm lens.
The camera able to provide 720P resolution @ 25fps (real time)

CCTV Recorder: DS-7204HQHI-F1/N
http://www.hikvision.com/EN/Products_acces..._364_i5791.html
Should be the 7204 model since it is written on the paper and have 4 cameras.
This recorder able to record video at 720P resolution @ 25fps (real time), so it looks alright.

Hard disk wise, try to ask them to provide you surveillance hard disk like Western Digital Purple or Seagate Surveillance hard disk.

I am not sure what requirements you want for a CCTV system and also how you want to use it for, so I can't comment further.

If you are happy with the camera resolution and it fits your budget, then this CCTV system is alright for you.
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QUOTE(cute_miao @ Oct 19 2016, 10:52 AM)
Its a normal hard disc not surveillance hard disc. Whts the negative part of it??

I prefer i can also view n control via my hp since i am outstation most of the time
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For the hard disk, surveillance hard disk are designed specially for CCTV use, as the hard disk will be written with data 24/7 most of the time,and designed to withstand high shock resistance. Normal hard disk are not designed for such 24/7 data writing usage, although you can still use normal hard disk on CCTV system with no harm, just that normal hard disk might not able to last as long as surveillance type hard disk.

For remote control and view, I think the Hikvision recorder is able to achieve this, but you need to set it up or ask someone with the knowledge to set it up for you.
You might need these things:
1. Network cable connect to your router with internet connection.
2. Configure your router to port forward those ports for remote control and viewing.
3. Have a DDNS (Dynamic DNS) account to tackle random IP assignment problem from your ISP, make sure your router has support on the DDNS service that you have chosen.
4. Configure the DDNS account on your router and make sure it works.
5. If your ISP gave you private IP address, you must request for public IP address, or else you won't be able to do access your CCTV from outside.
6. Get the Hikvision mobile app from Google Play Store or Apple App Store, the name is "iVMS 4500".
7. Configure the app and point to the DDNS account you have registered.
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QUOTE(cute_miao @ Oct 19 2016, 10:59 AM)
Its 1.3... got a dot in btwn..
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Yes, paper wrote 1.3MP but the camera looks like it is a 1.0MP one, but it will work fine still.
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post Nov 20 2016, 07:04 AM

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QUOTE(longpants @ Nov 19 2016, 11:27 PM)
The articles in this thread is super informative! Thanks a lot!

Anyone having wifi connected system for their cameras to provide their comments and feedback? As now days, we use so much wireless and less cables, I am thinking to get some wireless cameras at home instead of the wired ones.

I am looking at this Hikvision wireless camera set from taobao. Wireless camera + wireless receivers.. Any humble comments? smile.gif

https://detail.tmall.com/item.htm?id=524452...d=3121208796647
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NVR: http://www1.hikvision.com/cn/prgs_679_i4418.html
Camera: http://www1.hikvision.com/cn/prgs_191_i7025.html

Although is wireless, you will still need to provide power point at the location of the camera.

The NVR specification stated that the total max recording bandwidth is 25 Mbps.
The camera, each can supply max of 8 Mbps, 4 of them will be 32 Mbps, which exceed the total max bandwidth of the NVR.
You might need to cap the max bandwidth for each camera to 6 Mbps, should be available in the settings inside NVR.

Tip #1: Avoid bundle hard disk together, reason is chances are the hard disk might suffer damage during shipping from China to Malaysia. You can get the surveillance hard disk like Western Digital Purple in Malaysia, and then install the hard disk yourself.

Tip #2: Since you planned to get the whole set of CCTV solution from China, your parcel might subject to GST, since the total amount of the parcel import is more than RM 500.
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post Nov 22 2016, 01:58 PM

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QUOTE(longpants @ Nov 22 2016, 10:34 AM)
Haven't get any of the above yet. Only bought two EZVIZ C2C from taobao through ezbuy but still haven't leave China yet. Wanted to try out and see first then only decide where to go next. I will ask the seller before purchasing though to confirm whether it supports english.
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You bought the EZVIZ C2C from China, but I am not sure if you can successfully register for account on ys7.com for remote viewing, because to create account on ys7.com, you will be required to have cellphone number from China, as far as I know of.

I am not sure if registering an account on ezvizlife.com will work or not, but you can try.
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post Nov 23 2016, 05:36 AM

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QUOTE(Cold|Drawn @ Nov 23 2016, 03:01 AM)
Something new everyday, learn the operations of an alternative brand today! smile.gif
So for EZVIZ, they control their products via the P2P availability out of China...
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Even EZVIZ remote viewing service also get embedded in almost all recent Hikvision XVR and NVR.
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post Dec 2 2016, 06:42 PM

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QUOTE(Two5Kid @ Dec 1 2016, 10:10 PM)
Asking the thread starter for some advice. No budget restraints but no need to go over the top. Got dogs around to help out. New build so wiring also not a problem. Which system would you recommend if:

1) Outdoor monitoring only.
2) 4-6 cameras.
3) Say keep the video for 48 hours then rewipe.
4) Hopefully can view the video from TV channel. Say channel 13-17.
5) Night vision or at least low light.
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My recommendation
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Hikvision China Set
NVR: DS-7608N-K2/8P (Supports up to 8 network cameras with PoE)
Network Camera: DS-2CD3T26WD-I3 (IP67 Protection and Minimum Illuminance of 0.002 Lux)

Hikvision English Set
NVR: DS-7608NI-K2/8P (Supports up to 8 network cameras with PoE)
Network Camera: DS-2CD2T22WD-I3 (IP67 Protection and Minimum Illuminance of 0.01 Lux)

1TB of hard drive is enough for your need, can store up to 48 hours from six 2MP 25fps camera at 5120kbps bit rate.
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QUOTE(henryj8 @ Dec 2 2016, 08:44 PM)
Again, china set of CCTV only support CHINESE!!!
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Yes, I am fully aware of that.
The China set only came with Chinese user interface and Chinese language.
That is why I included the English set on my recommendation also.
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QUOTE(longpants @ Dec 5 2016, 11:48 AM)
Any idea where to get Hikvision English set?
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Actually I am not too sure where to get the Hikvision English set in Malaysia.
You can search online from Google, or search in Amazon, eBay or even Taobao.
If you really wanted to get the English set, prepare to fork out 2x to 3x the price of the China set.
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QUOTE(Cold|Drawn @ Dec 8 2016, 03:22 PM)
IoT devices are prone to botnet attacks because of the common password deployed for their back end access on SSH tunnel. Another issue with the common hack is because of the default username and password for GUI that was not changed when the installer handover to the owners. 

All in all, these devices are deployed huge quantities compared to other IoT devices. Each home can easily have 4-8 devices, multiply that by thousands of residential, retails and factories and there you go, you have your Mirai botnet army ready to take down even huge sites like DynDns, which helps in hosting twitter and reddit.
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I wonder how surveillance system like Hikvision can get targeted by hacker for DDOS purpose, because from what I know, most current Hikvision surveillance system will ask user to set password on first boot up. Unless user set weak username and password, or the Hikvision system itself have backdoor or security hole that getting exploits by hacker. It is always good to get the surveillance system firmware up-to-date.
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QUOTE(alucard89 @ Dec 9 2016, 02:34 AM)
For Chinese set hikvision, can you use IVMS 4200/4500 mobile app to access your cameras?
Can ezviz be used if you're using chinese camera outside of china region?
Is the motion/alarm alert message notification in chinese or english?
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From what I know of until now, you are able to use iVMS 4200 mobile app to perform remote viewing on Hikvision China set.
I can't remember the motion/alarm alert message language, but I believed it should be in Chinese.
Also, the time and date OSD on the camera screen, is in Chinese, you can set the day, month and year to be displayed in numerical rather than in Chinese, but can't get rid of the day of the week display in Chinese.
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QUOTE(alucard89 @ Dec 9 2016, 02:30 AM)
Hi, what can I get to protect my CCTV cameras/nvr from getting fried if lightning struck?
Is something like this sufficient enough?

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/272679

From another lowyat thread, they seem to recommend Cal Lab brand over belkin

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=66449443

For the past few years when thunder strikes, only my router that's connected to modem that's either fried or LAN port damaged.
So I'm kinda worried it might damage my cameras when I'm using wired POE LAN system
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I have not much experience on lightning arrestor or lightning isolator, but you can ask around or wait for other people reply.
I remembered that the Hikvision network camera has 6kV lightning protection, I saw the words written in the packaging, but not in the specification on their website.
Better still to have another layer of protection just to be safe.
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QUOTE(thenuts15 @ Dec 9 2016, 10:01 AM)
How to know if the DVR can receive via wirelessly?
I am looking at DS-7200HGHI-SH HIK Vision
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This DVR model is using TVI technology, meaning it runs on coaxial cable.
As far as I know of, there is no WiFi or wireless functionality for TVI camera and recorder.
To run surveillance system with coaxial cable, you will need minimum of 2 sets of wires, coaxial cable and power supply cable.
If you want minimum cable running on your surveillance system, you can consider network surveillance system with POE functionality.
With POE, only one cable is required, which is the network cable.
Even with surveillance system with wireless or WiFi system, you still need power point to supply power to your camera.
Hope it helps.
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QUOTE(alucard89 @ Dec 9 2016, 05:37 PM)
I'm buying this model DS-2CD2145F-IS
Getting the multilanguage one

https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Ne...2451307151.html (can't find any official hikvision website link yet)

Is lightning protection listed for this model?
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That model listed in AliExpress is either one of these two:
http://www.hikvision.com/cn/prgs_964_i8166.html
http://www.hikvision.com/cn/prgs_964_i13191.html

Again I don't see any of the lightning protection mentioned in the website page.
It is always good to have a separate lightning isolator to protect both your recorder and camera, without relying solely on the possible built-in lightning protection module.
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QUOTE(thenuts15 @ Dec 19 2016, 12:27 PM)
What broadband package I need get from Streamyx/Unifi to run a 8 1.3Mp CCTV with HD?
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Please share what kind of CCTV system you are having or going to have?
Brand, model if you know, for better calculation.
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QUOTE(thenuts15 @ Dec 19 2016, 12:39 PM)
Still undecided.
Likely will get HIK Vision.Need 4 Dome Camera with IR and 4 Bullet Camera with IR.
Still unsure what system to use.Still reading....
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Since you are asking for broadband package to run CCTV, so the thing you should pay attention on the broadband package is the UPLOAD bandwidth or speed.

For Hikvision network camera system, most of the camera can provide both main-stream and sub-stream.

Main-stream, is the stream that you have chosen for recording, if you have 1.3MP camera, your main stream most likely will be recording on 1.3MP, although you can adjust the recording resolution on the NVR.
Let's say your main-stream is at 1.3MP (1280 x 960 @ 25fps using H.264 compression, 2048kbps bit rate), if you want to perform remote view on main-stream, your broadband package must have at least upload bandwidth of 2.9Mbps, according to bandwidth calculator tool provided by Hikvision.

Sub-stream, is a stream derived from main-stream, which its purpose for low-bandwidth streaming support. Sub-stream has a fixed resolution of 352 x 288, regardless of your chosen main-stream resolution.
Sub-stream will take up bandwidth of around 366kbps of bandwidth, with 25fps and using H.264 compression.

As time of writing, Streamyx packages provide 384kbps upload speed for 1Mbps and 2Mbps package, and 512kbps upload speed for 4Mbps and 8Mbps package.
With 384kbps or 512kbps of upload speed, you can only have one single sub-stream view for smooth remote viewing.

As for UniFi plan, the cheapest 30Mbps plan has upload bandwidth of 10Mbps, which is enough to have 3 simultaneous main-stream view on 1.3MP.

If you want to view 8 camera simultaneously using main-stream, you will need at least 24Mbps of upload speed on your broadband package.
Becareful if you want to do this on your mobile with limited quota data plan, as it will used up the quota very fast.

Please correct me if there is any mistake.


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