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westom
post Dec 10 2016, 01:19 AM

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QUOTE(Cold|Drawn @ Dec 9 2016, 06:59 AM)
6kV lightning protection did not mention the response time that it needs to stop the lightning.
That is because anything that would stop or block lightning is a scam. A 6kV number does not exist IF the device is not properly earthed. Again, only scams isolate from or stop lightning. That camera suffers no damage is the 6kV transient connects to earth on a path that does not pass inside through electronics.

No lightning protector (or lightning rod) protects or isolates from surges including lightning. Protectors (and lightning rods) are only effective as connecting devices. Actual protection is done by what harmlessly absorbs hundreds of thousands of joules - earth ground. Protectors (and rods) protect only by connecting that energy harmlessly to earth.

All protectors (and lightning rods) are fast enough. What defines that protection? Quality of and connection to (it must be a low impedance connection) to earth. How to increase protection? Make a lower impedance connection (ie wire must be shorter; not thicker). Expand / upgrade the single point earth ground. Only then is a protector more effective.

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post Dec 10 2016, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(Richard @ Dec 9 2016, 09:41 PM)
A simply "path of least resistance" is an apt explanation ..
Resistance is irrelevant. Impedance is the significant parameter.

For example, a 12 meter copper wire might be 0.2 ohms resistance. That same wire is something like 120 ohms impedance.

Other factors also apply. If a wire has numerous sharp bends, resistance does not change. But impedance increases significantly.

From an engineer at WXIA-TV:
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Since my disasterous strike, I've been campaigning vigorously to educate amateurs that you *can* avoid damage from direct strikes.  The belief that there's no protection from direct strike damage is *myth*. ...
The keys to effective lightning protection are surprisingly simple, and surprisingly less than obvious. Of course you *must* have a single point ground system that eliminates all ground loops. And you must present a low *impedance* path for the energy to go. That's most generally a low *inductance* path rather than just a low ohm DC path.


From the book "Safe Coordination Between Power and Communication Surge Protection":
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1.4 Role of grounding in lightning protection systems
In the case of direct strikes, a low impedance path from the lightning protection conductor to the ground is essential to keep the inevitable voltage-rise within safe limits, when currents of large magnitudes are conducted by the lightning protection system. ... While the normal power system ground is designed primarily to provide a low resistance path to ground, in the case of grounding systems of lightning/surge protection systems, it is the impedance which is of importance. As we shall see later, a surge gives rise to voltage and current pulses having extremely fast rise times. Any inductance in the grounding circuit obstructs the flow of surge currents and produces a voltage drop. This drop is a function of the inductance and the rate of rise of the current. Remember that even a piece of wire has its own self-inductance, which is sufficient to cause an appreciable voltage drop while conducting a lightning surge if the length becomes excessive. Thus the grounding conductors of a lightning protection system (including the ground connections of surge protection devices) must be as short as possible and without any avoidable bends.


From Smiths Power application note entitled "AC and DC Power Protection at Communication Sites":
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The amount of current the protector will conduct to ground depends on the equipment load impedance, the inductance of the ground conductor on its way to earth ground, and the fall of potential resistance/impedance of the earth ground system.


From QST Magazine (by the ARRL) entitled ""Lightning Protection for the Amateur Radio Station"
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The purpose of the ground connection is to take the energy arriving on the antenna feed line cables and control lines (and to a lesser extent on the power and telephone lines) and give it a path back to the earth, our energy sink. The impedance of the ground connection should be low so the energy prefers this path and is dispersed harmlessly. To achieve a low impedance the ground connection needs to be short (distance), straight, and wide.


From Mike Holt's "Grounding vs. Bonding":
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2.3.1 Grounding
An effective, low-impedance ground path is critical for the successful operation of an SPD.


From Electrical Engineering Times entitled "Protecting Electrical Devices from Lightning Transients":
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Another aspect of impedance ... of a wire is predominately related to its length and weakly related to its diameter. ...  The length of the cable increases the impedance dramatically. ...
... wire should have at least a 10 inch or 30 cm radius.


Wire thickness affects resistance. Impedance is defined by wire length and other parameters. No soundbyte (apt) explanation of science exists. Sound bytes (simplistic answers) are a first indication of junk science reasoning. Professionals cite impedance - not resistance. A protector is only as effective as its earth ground. That means single point earth ground AND a low *impedance* connection.

That 6kV protection is effective only when a low impedance connection to ground exists. Then a surge that might create 6000 volts instead creates near zero volts. How close to zero? How low is that impedance?

westom
post Dec 10 2016, 01:59 PM

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QUOTE(Richard @ Dec 10 2016, 07:52 AM)
What is the frequency of lightning? Is is DC or AC ?

Lightning is obviously radio frequencies. So it interferes with radio and TV reception.

Techniques to identify the location of a lightning strike receives and triangulates its resulting radio wave.

westom
post Dec 11 2016, 01:15 AM

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Wire has impedance. That means the most critical aspect of protection is a protector as close as possible to the single point earth ground - to decrease impedance to earth. And large separation between protector and appliances - to increase impedance to that appliance. That larger separation increases appliance protection.

Not discussed in that tutorial - sharp wire bends, splices, and metallic conduit also increase impedance. That earth ground connection must be straighter, short as possible, and separated from other non-grounding wires.


 

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