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post Mar 6 2015, 07:41 PM, updated 11y ago

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Official SSD Discussion Thread

Introduction
A solid-state drive (SSD) (sometimes improperly referred to as a "solid-state disk" or "electronic disk") is a data storage device that uses integrated circuit assemblies as memory to store data persistently. SSD technology uses electronic interfaces compatible with traditional block input/output (I/O) hard disk drives. SSDs do not employ any moving mechanical components, which distinguishes them from traditional magnetic disks such as hard disk drives (HDDs) or floppy disks, which are electromechanical devices containing spinning disks and movable read/write heads. Compared with electromechanical disks, SSDs are typically less susceptible to physical shock, are silent, and have lower access time and latency, but are, at 2011 market prices, more expensive per unit of storage. The prices have continued to decline in 2012.

SSDs share the I/O interface technology developed for hard disk drives, thus permitting simple replacement for most applications.
As of 2010, most SSDs use NAND-based flash memory, which retains data without power. For applications requiring fast access, but not necessarily data persistence after power loss, SSDs may be constructed from random-access memory (RAM). Such devices may employ separate power sources, such as batteries, to maintain data after power loss.

Hybrid drives combine the features of SSDs and HDDs in the same unit, containing a large hard disk drive and an SSD cache to improve performance of frequently accessed data. These devices may offer near-SSD performance for many applications.

The SSD Optimization Guide
http://thessdreview.com/ssd-guides/optimiz...zation-guide-2/

SSD related Tools and Ultilities
HDDTune ~ http://www.hdtune.com/download.html
AS SSD Benchmark ~ http://alex-is.de/PHP/fusion/downloads.php...4&download_id=9
ATTO Disk Brench ~ http://www.attotech.com/products/product.p...=Disk_Benchmark
CrystalDiskMark ~ http://crystalmark.info/software/CrystalDi...rk/index-e.html
Intel SSD toolbox ~ http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Des...Y&DwnldID=18455
SSDlife ~ http://ssd-life.com/eng/download-ssdlife.html

SSD Performance Chart
All SSD Charts 2012 [benchmarks] - http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/ssd-cha...hmarks,129.html
All SSD RAID 0 Charts 2011 [benchmarks] - http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/ssd-rai...hmarks,120.html
Best SSDs For The Money (Auto Update) - http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-re...hmark,3269.html
SSD Reviews - http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/showthread.php?t=150954

Source
http://www.anandtech.com/print/2829
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?opti...d=444&Itemid=60
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/storage/2...sd-controller/1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid-state_drive

SSD Controllers
Some Basic idea about SSD and SSD controller
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SSD Firmware and Updates
OCZ - http://www.ocztechnology.com/ssd_tools/
Corsair - http://forum.corsair.com/v3/forumdisplay.php?f=206
Crucial - http://www.crucial.com/support/firmware.aspx
Intel - http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Des...Y&DwnldID=18455
Kingston - http://www.kingston.com/en/support/technical/search
Plextor - http://www.goplextor.com/asia/index.php/download
Samsung - http://www.samsung.com/us/support/downloads

Previous Thread
The Solid State Storage Thread
The SSD Thread V2, Faster Better Greener Unbreakable!
The SSD Thread V3, The Speed You Need
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post Mar 6 2015, 07:42 PM

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Some Tutorials & FAQs about SSD (Solid State Drive)

Updated on 6 July 2013
Some correction on the answers provided from website

How to Install an SSD (Solid State Drive)
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So what is it that makes an SSD so much faster than an HDD?
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I have read that SSDs have very limited write cycles, and they don't last long. Is this true?
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I have read that SSDs slow down after prolonged use. Is this true?
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How does Internal Secure Erase work on an SSD?
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Over-provisioning. What is it, and how does it work?
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Why do smaller capacity SSDs tend to be slower than higher capacity drives?
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What about services or programs in my operating system such as indexing, pre-fetching, write-caching, defrag etc?
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What is TRIM?
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What settings do I need to adjust in my system BIOS for optimal SSD performance?
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Are SSDs compatible with SATA I & II ?
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What is the difference between SLC and MLC flash memory chips?
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If I'm using an older OS such as Vista or XP, will I still get the performance benefits of SSDs?
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What is the life expectancy of my SSD?
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How can I move my data onto my new SSD?
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How long will my SSD last?
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Does benchmarking my SSD decrease lifespan?
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Will my SSD get hot?
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Do I need to format my SSD? Why doesn't the drive appear in "My Computer" (Windows) or in "Finder" (Mac)?
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How do I find out the firmware version on my SSD?
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Reference Links
1. http://club.myce.com/f138/what-ssd-ssd-faq-297856/
2. http://ocz.com/consumer/ssd-guide/ssd-faqs
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Updated on 6 July 2013

The FAQs continue on here with YouTube videos...
I do realize sometimes it is hard to understand by just read all of the sources through websites/articles. So some short videos are provided as below and hope that they can help to save you some time by just watching tongue.gif .

The Intel SSD Advantage
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SSD vs Hard Drive Performance
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Windows 7 install and SSD upgrade
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How to properly configure the SSD as boot drive and HDD as storage drive
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How to Transfer your Boot Drive to your New Intel SSD - Data Migration
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What is TRIM and Why Does Your SSD Need It?
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The benefits of using a SSD
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Finally a new version! Parking in here. smile.gif

Thank you hmwgbworld TS for organizing this thread. smile.gif
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Planning to get my 1st SSD, but i dunno which 1 to get

Budget is around 400ish

plz give some suggestions

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post Mar 7 2015, 01:44 AM

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QUOTE(SinclairZ @ Mar 6 2015, 11:31 PM)
Planning to get my 1st SSD, but i dunno which 1 to get

Budget is around 400ish

plz give some suggestions

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with that budget you can get liteon ssd s900 or transcend ssd370 256gb, both about MYR 380.00. imo liteon s900 is the better choice.
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Just managed to clone my multi partition HDD tp SSD (have issues from the last thread https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2874570/+2540)

Found Drive Clone 11 (Farstone) , free for personal use.
Excellent! So far this the only software i know that can clone multi partitions and auto resize it. Damn easy to use.

http://www.farstone.com/software/drive-clone.php

I don't have to reinstall all my licensed program again.

Ok. my SSD upgrade review.

So far, the boot up time of Win 7 Pro is much quicker (now only took 30% loading time vs my old HDD, and programs load up faster as well on my Transcend370 256GB SSD.

Money well spent ! This is after all budget class SSD.
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QUOTE(smallcrab @ Mar 7 2015, 01:59 AM)
Just managed to clone my multi partition HDD tp SSD (have issues from the last thread https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2874570/+2540)

Found Drive Clone 11 (Farstone) , free for personal use.
Excellent! So far this the only software i know that can clone multi partitions and auto resize it. Damn easy to use.

http://www.farstone.com/software/drive-clone.php

I don't have to reinstall all my licensed program again.

Ok. my SSD upgrade review.

So far, the boot up time of Win 7 Pro is much quicker (now only took 30% loading time vs my old HDD, and programs load up faster as well on my Transcend370 256GB SSD.

Money well spent ! This is after all budget class SSD.
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nice and thanks for sharing smile.gif

well, fyi for general use, you can hardly notice the performance differences between mainstream and enthusiast ssds. this is why it's sufficient to get mainstream drives. it's cheaper, and you get more space to use.
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QUOTE(horns @ Mar 7 2015, 10:14 AM)
nice and thanks for sharing smile.gif

well, fyi for general use, you can hardly notice the performance differences between mainstream and enthusiast ssds. this is why it's sufficient to get mainstream drives. it's cheaper, and you get more space to use.
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I do agree at your point. Only notice big different if you moving from HDD to SSD. brows.gif
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QUOTE(NightFelix @ Mar 7 2015, 10:42 AM)
I do agree at your point. Only notice big different if you moving from HDD to SSD. brows.gif
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yes for common usage, consumer sata ssds are almost the same these days. you hardly feel the differences.

once my new gpus are here, i will do sata raid0 setup also because of pcie lane limitations (making use of my old 840 pro). i'm glad i have plenty of sata ports lol!
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QUOTE(horns @ Mar 7 2015, 11:46 AM)
yes for common usage, consumer sata ssds are almost the same these days. you hardly feel the differences.

once my new gpus are here, i will do sata raid0 setup also because of pcie lane limitations (making use of my old 840 pro). i'm glad i have plenty of sata ports lol!
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QUOTE(NightFelix @ Mar 7 2015, 02:13 PM)
840 Pro is last 2 years products only.. not that old anyway... sweat.gif
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Hi All,

Planning to get liteon s900 120GB or transcend ssd370 120GB ?

What you guys suggest since I dont plan to get Samsung Pro or Evo

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QUOTE(christina1 @ Mar 7 2015, 08:00 PM)
Hi All,

Planning to get  liteon s900 120GB or transcend ssd370 120GB ?

What you guys suggest since I dont plan to get Samsung Pro or Evo
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QUOTE(christina1 @ Mar 7 2015, 08:00 PM)
Hi All,

Planning to get  liteon s900 120GB or transcend ssd370 120GB ?

What you guys suggest since I dont plan to get Samsung Pro or Evo
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go for liteon s900 256gb. as a plextor and liteon user of some of their drives, imo they are more than good in terms of stability and reliability (as an addition to my previous reply to your thread).

to me, brands like plextor/liteon and crucial look for stability and reliability in their ssds more than performance. the controllers and nand flash they use are of decent quality and have proven quality records. as a long-time manufacturer of oem drives for high-end systems, i think it's in liteon's core values that their products must meet certain levels of confidence to convince their oem partners so that they can take up good volumes of their products regularly (apart from attractive pricing)

this is different from samsung, which produce retail drives based on new technologies most of the times.


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QUOTE(horns @ Mar 7 2015, 10:15 PM)
go for liteon s900 256gb. as a plextor and liteon user of some of their drives, imo they are more than good in terms of stability and reliability (as an addition to my previous reply to your thread).

to me, brands like plextor/liteon and crucial look for stability and reliability in their ssds more than performance. the controllers and nand flash they use are of decent quality and have proven quality records. as a long-time manufacturer of oem drives for high-end systems, i think it's in liteon's core values that their products must meet certain levels of confidence to convince their oem partners so that they can take up good volumes of their products regularly (apart from attractive pricing)

this is different from samsung, which produce retail drives based on new technologies most of the times.
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liteon used to be very popular on dvd-rw

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QUOTE(ngkhanmein @ Mar 7 2015, 10:53 PM)
nod.gif  notworthy.gif

liteon used to be very popular on dvd-rw
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yes, their reputation in optical drive industry has overshadowed their ventures in ssd industry for quite some times.

crucial and plextor/liteon have always been the main force to drive aggressive price cuts. i think the latter is more impressive that they don't produce their own nand flash or controllers but yet can offer very affordable drives without sacrificing quality.


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QUOTE(NightFelix @ Mar 7 2015, 02:13 PM)
840 Pro is last 2 years products only.. not that old anyway... sweat.gif
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QUOTE(horns @ Mar 7 2015, 04:23 PM)
to me as long as the outcomes are ok, whether it's old or not it doesn't really matter hehe
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840 pro owner reporting in laugh.gif i buy right at the EOL stage too along with i7 rclxms.gif total damage 2.9k sweat.gif rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Mar 8 2015, 06:46 AM)
840 pro owner reporting in laugh.gif i buy right at the EOL stage too along with i7 rclxms.gif total damage 2.9k sweat.gif  rclxub.gif
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Cheaper than 850 pro how much?
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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Mar 8 2015, 06:46 AM)
840 pro owner reporting in laugh.gif i buy right at the EOL stage too along with i7 rclxms.gif total damage 2.9k sweat.gif  rclxub.gif
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haha nice biggrin.gif doing upgrades to your rig eh?
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QUOTE(NightFelix @ Mar 8 2015, 09:30 AM)
Cheaper than 850 pro how much?
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50 plus i think

QUOTE(horns @ Mar 8 2015, 10:02 AM)
haha nice biggrin.gif doing upgrades to your rig eh?
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heck yeah

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ssd 250gb

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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Mar 8 2015, 11:18 AM)
heck yeah

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sweet man biggrin.gif

if you have extras i suggest you add more ram (like 32gb) and use ram disk and cache. personally, for my use cases i 'feel' better system responsiveness compared to bare ssd-only.
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guys kingston v300 120gb ok or not?


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QUOTE(stromae @ Mar 9 2015, 12:20 AM)
guys kingston v300 120gb ok or not?
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no it's not ok. if you haven't done research even on this single option, i really suggest you do so. although it might be fine for people who are getting their first ssd because of the massive performance improvements over hdd, i still think it's wiser to get others than v300 for your money.

in short, when there are a lot of options using sync nand flash, skip async nand. even though the drive performance is subject to mainly controller, imo there is no need to challenge physical differences between these two types of nand, and still go for the much slower option. (unless you are really having no choice)

you can consider liteon s900, transcend ssd370, or toshiba q series pro at 120gb range. as of now, know that the actual sweet spot is 240gb range.
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hi guys,

crucial m500 240gb vs liteon s900 240gb

which better in terms of reliability and performance ?

both are same price.
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guys ur old SSD still ok? mine already >2 years
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QUOTE(icecreamcake @ Mar 9 2015, 09:28 AM)
hi guys,

crucial m500 240gb vs liteon s900 240gb

which better in terms of reliability and performance ?

both are same price.
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they are the same imo. my preference is liteon s900 because it's newer.
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QUOTE(dun_panic @ Mar 9 2015, 09:32 AM)
guys ur old SSD still ok? mine already >2 years
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yes, for my drives that are more than 2 years old, they are still 100% good health lol!
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QUOTE(horns @ Mar 9 2015, 09:34 AM)
yes, for my drives that are more than 2 years old, they are still 100% good health lol!
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100?? lol really, my <1year imac already 9+ haha
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QUOTE(dun_panic @ Mar 9 2015, 09:40 AM)
100?? lol really, my <1year imac already 9+ haha
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yeah. my ocz vertex 4 (256gb), plextor m5pro xtreme (512gb), and plextor m5m (256gb) are all 2 years+ old.

it depends on usage actually. i think if you apply the common ssd optimizations, tips and tricks found on the first page of this thread, it's very likely your ssd can survive for quite some times.

furthermore, i download my stuff into hdd. i also use ram cache and ram disk.


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Good afternoon, i just installed a lite-on ssd to my system but i am not feeling any great speed boost at all. Is it normal?
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QUOTE(limadekad @ Mar 9 2015, 01:42 PM)
Good afternoon, i just installed a lite-on ssd to my system but i am not feeling any great speed boost at all. Is it normal?
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boot OS need more than 10sec? transferring files slow?
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QUOTE(horns @ Mar 9 2015, 09:54 AM)
yeah. my ocz vertex 4 (256gb), plextor m5pro xtreme (512gb), and plextor m5m (256gb) are all 2 years+ old.

it depends on usage actually. i think if you apply the common ssd optimizations, tips and tricks found on the first page of this thread, it's very likely your ssd can survive for quite some times.

furthermore, i download my stuff into hdd. i also use ram cache and ram disk.
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wah ur OCZ still alive? shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(limadekad @ Mar 9 2015, 01:42 PM)
Good afternoon, i just installed a lite-on ssd to my system but i am not feeling any great speed boost at all. Is it normal?
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Is your previous drive a SSD? You won't feel the difference switching brands.
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QUOTE(ngkhanmein @ Mar 9 2015, 01:43 PM)
boot OS need more than 10sec? transferring files slow?
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iinm the boot time is longer than 10 sec. Haven't tried file transfer yet.

QUOTE(TristanX @ Mar 9 2015, 01:49 PM)
Is your previous drive a SSD? You won't feel the difference switching brands.
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Nope, was using a WD Green previously.

Is it just me? I've upgraded my ram to 8 gb as well.
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QUOTE(limadekad @ Mar 9 2015, 02:00 PM)
iinm the boot time is longer than 10 sec. Haven't tried file transfer yet.
Nope, was using a WD Green previously.

Is it just me? I've upgraded my ram to 8 gb as well.
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impossible. i'm using 128gb plextor m6s
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QUOTE(limadekad @ Mar 9 2015, 01:42 PM)
Good afternoon, i just installed a lite-on ssd to my system but i am not feeling any great speed boost at all. Is it normal?
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List your PC spec and see. hmm.gif OS Win7 or Win8.1?
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QUOTE(ngkhanmein @ Mar 9 2015, 02:01 PM)
impossible. i'm using 128gb plextor m6s
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QUOTE(NightFelix @ Mar 9 2015, 02:06 PM)
List your PC spec and see. hmm.gif OS Win7 or Win8.1?
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Lite-on 256 SSD
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Win 8.1 Pro 64 bit

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QUOTE(ngkhanmein @ Mar 9 2015, 01:44 PM)
wah ur OCZ still alive?  shakehead.gif
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yes. i will do a secure erase to it when i am free these days. it's been quite some times i am running the machine 24/7 hehehe

my ocz vertex 3 is also still alive and kicking biggrin.gif

ssd optimizations, ram-based enhancements, and using hdd as downloads an data storage can make sure your ssd have a very long life.
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QUOTE(limadekad @ Mar 9 2015, 02:13 PM)
Intel G2020
Asrock H71-DGS
Team Elite 4gb 1600 x2
Lite-on 256 SSD
Asus Nvidia GeForce 650Ti Boost 2gb
Win 8.1 Pro 64 bit
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uh? with w8.1 it should be even faster. the first thing to check is to run crystal diskmark and see if it runs at advertised speed. if it's lower, check if you're connected to intel sata3 port. have you updated the firmware?
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QUOTE(dun_panic @ Mar 9 2015, 09:32 AM)
guys ur old SSD still ok? mine already >2 years
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QUOTE(limadekad @ Mar 9 2015, 02:00 PM)
iinm the boot time is longer than 10 sec. Haven't tried file transfer yet.
Nope, was using a WD Green previously.

Is it just me? I've upgraded my ram to 8 gb as well.
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The more drive you install, the longer it boots due to drive detection. You might wanna optimize some settings. It should be significantly faster than WD Green.
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QUOTE(limadekad @ Mar 9 2015, 02:00 PM)
iinm the boot time is longer than 10 sec. Haven't tried file transfer yet.
Nope, was using a WD Green previously.

Is it just me? I've upgraded my ram to 8 gb as well.
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becnhmark your ssd using crystaldiskmark and post the result here..
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QUOTE(horns @ Mar 9 2015, 03:24 PM)
uh? with w8.1 it should be even faster. the first thing to check is to run crystal diskmark and see if it runs at advertised speed. if it's lower, check if you're connected to intel sata3 port. have you updated the firmware?
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QUOTE(TristanX @ Mar 9 2015, 03:33 PM)
The more drive you install, the longer it boots due to drive detection. You might wanna optimize some settings. It should be significantly faster than WD Green.
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becnhmark your ssd using crystaldiskmark and post the result here..
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QUOTE(horns @ Mar 9 2015, 12:09 AM)
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if you have extras i suggest you add more ram (like 32gb) and use ram disk and cache. personally, for my use cases i 'feel' better system responsiveness compared to bare ssd-only.
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QUOTE(limadekad @ Mar 9 2015, 05:05 PM)
firmware? mobo firmware is the latest.
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QUOTE(limadekad @ Mar 9 2015, 09:19 PM)
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yes. just checked your mobo manual (i took a look at h71m-dgs; couldn't find h71-dgs at asrock website), the mobo has only sata2 ports. there is no sata3 ports.

from your diskmark test, your ssd is actually running at full sata2 speed. that's nothing wrong with it.
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QUOTE(horns @ Mar 9 2015, 09:46 PM)
yes. just checked your mobo manual (i took a look at h71m-dgs; couldn't find h71-dgs at asrock website), the mobo has only sata2 ports. there is no sata3 ports.

from your diskmark test, your ssd is actually running at full sata2 speed. that's nothing wrong with it.
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QUOTE(limadekad @ Mar 9 2015, 09:53 PM)
sorry it's h71m-dgs, my bad. so the speed i'm experiencing is perfectly normal? kinda disappointing though
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i didn't enable the asrock instant boot cos i worried too fast until i can't get used to it. brows.gif

so far less than 10 sec consider standard already.

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QUOTE(limadekad @ Mar 9 2015, 09:53 PM)
sorry it's h71m-dgs, my bad. so the speed i'm experiencing is perfectly normal? kinda disappointing though
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yes that's normal. it's the sata2 bottleneck that hinders the performance of your ssd.

don't get the wrong idea that when you have a ssd then you must be able to cold-boot it faster than a hdd, especially when you are running w8.x. (like TristanX pointed out, there are things that need time to load during boot time. the more hardware you put in, the long time it takes) the more important part imo is always when you use a computer, e.g. loading apps/games, and working on stuff. it should be more responsive than before with a ssd. sorry but i don't get the part that you are disappointing to have a ssd in your system.

QUOTE(NightFelix @ Mar 9 2015, 09:55 PM)
Hmmm... My Plextor SSD can boot my Windows 7 in less than 10seconds, why can't yours? Hmmmm
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i didn't enable the asrock instant boot cos i worried too fast until i can't get used to it. brows.gif

so far less than 10 sec consider standard already.
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QUOTE(horns @ Mar 9 2015, 11:05 PM)
yes that's normal. it's the sata2 bottleneck that hinders the performance of your ssd.

don't get the wrong idea that when you have a ssd then you must be able to cold-boot it faster than a hdd, especially when you are running w8.x. (like TristanX pointed out, there are things that need time to load during boot time. the more hardware you put in, the long time it takes) the more important part imo is always when you use a computer, e.g. loading apps/games, and working on stuff. it should be more responsive than before with a ssd. sorry but i don't get the part that you are disappointing to have a ssd in your system.
maybe you guys should share some pointers to limadekad on how you make it run fast smile.gif
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what option do i have? upgrade my mobo?
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QUOTE(horns @ Mar 9 2015, 11:05 PM)
yes that's normal. it's the sata2 bottleneck that hinders the performance of your ssd.

don't get the wrong idea that when you have a ssd then you must be able to cold-boot it faster than a hdd, especially when you are running w8.x. (like TristanX pointed out, there are things that need time to load during boot time. the more hardware you put in, the long time it takes) the more important part imo is always when you use a computer, e.g. loading apps/games, and working on stuff. it should be more responsive than before with a ssd. sorry but i don't get the part that you are disappointing to have a ssd in your system.
maybe you guys should share some pointers to limadekad on how you make it run fast smile.gif
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well, i was hoping for a noticable speed bump when i upgraded my system with an ssd and additional ram.
what option do i have? upgrade my mobo?
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QUOTE(limadekad @ Mar 10 2015, 11:11 AM)
well, i was hoping for a noticable speed bump when i upgraded my system with an ssd and additional ram.
what option do i have? upgrade my mobo?
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well tbh, the sata 2 port really holding you back.. your ssd should give double the speed especially the read speed of your current setup.. even a good hdd can give 150 - 190mb/s of read speed.. by just upgraded to 270mb/s of read speed, the speed gain is insignificant. since you already have a ssd, why not just get a mobo that can support sata 3 to fully utilize the ssd performance.. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(NightFelix @ Mar 10 2015, 11:26 AM)
Here is mine result.
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Which Plextor SSD are you using? Win 7 or 8?
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Mine is Win7 64Bits Ultimate. SSD Plextor 128GB M5Pro. You see me used up 72% still capable to boot my OS in less than 10seconds.
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QUOTE(limadekad @ Mar 10 2015, 11:11 AM)
well, i was hoping for a noticable speed bump when i upgraded my system with an ssd and additional ram.
what option do i have? upgrade my mobo?
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check whether ur plug cable connected to sata 3 6gb/s & check ur bios setting. make sure is ACHI & SSD

enable TRIM
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QUOTE(ngkhanmein @ Mar 10 2015, 12:34 PM)
check whether ur plug cable connected to sata 3 6gb/s & check ur bios setting. make sure is ACHI & SSD

enable TRIM
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QUOTE(limadekad @ Mar 10 2015, 05:31 PM)
as mentioned by horns, my mobo only support sata 2. trim is enabled
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if like that performance dropped half is normal. don't worry that much cos it still perform better than hdd.
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250GB Samsung EVO 850 @ US Amazon 99.00$ only. (30% discount from its original 149$)

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QUOTE(limadekad @ Mar 10 2015, 05:31 PM)
as mentioned by horns, my mobo only support sata 2. trim is enabled
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Hi,  does Crucial M500 120gb is a good buy for Rm209?
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Yea, just curious is there any other model better for rm200 ssd ?
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Yea, just curious is there any other model better for rm200 ssd ?
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LITE-ON 900S 128GB (M5PRO) is a rebadge Plextor products. RM240.
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LITE-ON 900S 128GB (M5PRO) is a rebadge Plextor products. RM240.
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QUOTE(ngkhanmein @ Mar 10 2015, 06:02 PM)
if like that performance dropped half is normal. don't worry that much cos it still perform better than hdd.
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I used SSD in a Sata 2 mobo to replace HDD (blue), the performance indeed show significant performance.
Loading window faster, opening program instantly instead waiting it loading, despite being bottled neck by Sata 2.
(even run in ide mode as the mobo showed significant lagging in detecting ACHI drive, don't know why, as well problem in detecting Cd-rom, so installed in IDE mode to give it a try).


Replacing HDD with SSD is one of most significant improvement that user can feel on the upgrade.



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QUOTE(arifhasim85 @ Mar 10 2015, 11:31 AM)
well tbh, the sata 2 port really holding you back.. your ssd should give double the speed especially the read speed of your current setup.. even a good hdd can give 150 - 190mb/s of read speed.. by just upgraded to 270mb/s of read speed, the speed gain is insignificant. since you already have a ssd, why not just get a mobo that can support sata 3 to fully utilize the ssd performance..  thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(NightFelix @ Mar 10 2015, 12:30 PM)
Change mobo to support Sata3.

Mine is Win7 64Bits Ultimate. SSD Plextor 128GB M5Pro. You see me used up 72% still capable to boot my OS in less than 10seconds.
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what mobo would you recommend? m-atx form factor if possible, and cheap.

QUOTE(cherroy @ Mar 11 2015, 02:25 PM)
I used SSD in a Sata 2 mobo to replace HDD (blue), the performance indeed show significant performance.
Loading window faster, opening program instantly instead waiting it loading, despite being bottled neck by Sata 2.
(even run in ide mode as the mobo showed significant lagging in detecting ACHI drive, don't know why, as well problem in detecting Cd-rom, so installed in IDE mode to give it a try).
Replacing HDD with SSD is one of most significant improvement that user can feel on the upgrade.
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i dunno, i just don't feel the speed bump, maybe because i used to tweak the start-up for faster boot time. back in the old days when i upgraded my ram from 512mb to 2gb, the speed increase felt significant.
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QUOTE(limadekad @ Mar 11 2015, 04:05 PM)
what mobo would you recommend? m-atx form factor if possible, and cheap.
i dunno, i just don't feel the speed bump, maybe because i used to tweak the start-up for faster boot time. back in the old days when i upgraded my ram from 512mb to 2gb, the speed increase felt significant.
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Loading window, won't be instant as with Sata 3, (have another Sata 3 with win 8.1, pretty fast, just press the button, wait a few second, can use already) but it reduces significant time, aka when window page appear time, you don't need to wait, instantly can click on program already, unlike in HDD, the mouse cursor still spinning in circle.
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hi guys which is better...

my maximum budget is rm300..

LITE-ON 900S 128GB (M5PRO) 92K/82K 540/330 RM240

KINGSTON HYPER X 120G 20K/60K 555/510 RM275

TRANSCEND 370 128GB 75K/75K 570/470 RM219

PLEXTOR M6S 128GB 88K/75K 520/300 RM289

btw in my mind is transcend 370... btw my pc will bottleneck.. since still using SATA 3Gbps port..

thx..

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QUOTE(stromae @ Mar 11 2015, 05:07 PM)
hi guys which is better...

my maximum budget is rm300..

LITE-ON 900S 128GB (M5PRO) 92K/82K 540/330 RM240

KINGSTON HYPER X 120G 20K/60K 555/510 RM275

TRANSCEND 370 128GB 75K/75K 570/470 RM219

PLEXTOR M6S 128GB 88K/75K 520/300 RM289

btw in my mind is transcend 370... btw my pc will bottleneck.. since still using SATA 3Gbps port..

thx..
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Yeah, you can use the best SSD in the world and still bottleneck. Just get the cheapest. Unless you have upgrade plan for CPU and motherboard soon.
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i plan to change cmos battery on my mobo...already almost 7 years.. will it cause problem when i install windows/change on ssd.. thx
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QUOTE(limadekad @ Mar 11 2015, 04:05 PM)
what mobo would you recommend? m-atx form factor if possible, and cheap.
i dunno, i just don't feel the speed bump, maybe because i used to tweak the start-up for faster boot time. back in the old days when i upgraded my ram from 512mb to 2gb, the speed increase felt significant.
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i plan to change cmos battery on my mobo...already almost 7 years.. will it cause problem when i install windows/change on ssd.. thx
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i use raid 0 for my ssd but partition it for OS and games..
does it ok or it will decrease the speed read/write performance?
or i should use ram cache only?
btw, im using 2x samsung 840 pro 128gb (raid 0)
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QUOTE(limadekad @ Mar 10 2015, 11:11 AM)
well, i was hoping for a noticable speed bump when i upgraded my system with an ssd and additional ram.
what option do i have? upgrade my mobo?
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i did use ssd with sata2 connections before. like others pointed out, it's still better than a hdd, because what matters most is the user experience when you use a computer. hdd is the slowest storage component in a computer. it has very low iops that results in much lower responsiveness than ssd.

no, ram upgrade (8gb and above) will not show significant performance improvements as much as ssd upgrade.

QUOTE(stromae @ Mar 11 2015, 05:07 PM)
hi guys which is better...

my maximum budget is rm300..

LITE-ON 900S 128GB (M5PRO) 92K/82K 540/330 RM240

KINGSTON HYPER X 120G 20K/60K 555/510 RM275

TRANSCEND 370 128GB 75K/75K 570/470 RM219

PLEXTOR M6S 128GB 88K/75K 520/300 RM289

btw in my mind is transcend 370... btw my pc will bottleneck.. since still using SATA 3Gbps port..

thx..
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like what TristanX said, just get the cheaper ones will do (liteon or transcend).

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QUOTE(stromae @ Mar 11 2015, 05:07 PM)
hi guys which is better...

my maximum budget is rm300..

LITE-ON 900S 128GB (M5PRO) 92K/82K 540/330 RM240

KINGSTON HYPER X 120G 20K/60K 555/510 RM275

TRANSCEND 370 128GB 75K/75K 570/470 RM219

PLEXTOR M6S 128GB 88K/75K 520/300 RM289

btw in my mind is transcend 370... btw my pc will bottleneck.. since still using SATA 3Gbps port..

thx..
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please be noted that transcend ssd370 128gb version have write speed kinda low.. only at 170mb/s.. 470mb/s write is only for 512gb and 1tb version. i think the best is lite-on 900s 128gb.

edit: source http://www.anandtech.com/show/8792/transce...gb-512gb-review

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QUOTE(arifhasim85 @ Mar 11 2015, 08:05 PM)
please be noted that transcend ssd370 128gb version have write speed kinda low.. only at 170mb/s.. 470mb/s write is only for 512gb and 1tb version. i think the best is lite-on 900s 128gb.

edit: source http://www.anandtech.com/show/8792/transce...gb-512gb-review
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actually i compare this 2.. btw thx..
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QUOTE(arifhasim85 @ Mar 11 2015, 08:05 PM)
please be noted that transcend ssd370 128gb version have write speed kinda low.. only at 170mb/s.. 470mb/s write is only for 512gb and 1tb version. i think the best is lite-on 900s 128gb.

edit: source http://www.anandtech.com/show/8792/transce...gb-512gb-review
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Nice thanks for bringing this up smile.gif i thought of editing my previous post but you have answered it lol!

Edit: when i checked out the recent garage sales threads, i stumbled upon a seller who offers the pcie m.2 ssd adapter by asus, which is compatible upto pcie 3.0 x4 nvme ssd. If your mobo doesn't have a m.2 slot, you can use this adapter to mount and run it. For better effects you can add a heat sink on top of your ssd. (I am thinking of using plastic clips or rubber bands to secure it hehe)

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Hi,will be getting my first ssd and would like to know if buying an Intel 530 120gb is still worth even though it is quite old.
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250GB Samsung EVO 850 @ US Amazon 99.00$ only. (30% discount from its original 149$)
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thanks for sharing this but my question is, does it cover warranty in Malaysia so that I don't have to send back to US if something happen to it?

so far in my mind I know intel 730 and sandisk extreme cover int warranty...
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Hi,will be getting my first ssd and would like to know if buying an Intel 530 120gb is still worth even though it is quite old.
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enough . although speed is not the fastest but not the slowest, but very reliable ssd.
jump from hdd to ssd, i will feel like wao ~
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QUOTE(Lotus1109 @ Mar 11 2015, 10:08 PM)
thanks for sharing this but my question is, does it cover warranty in Malaysia so that I don't have to send back to US if something happen to it?

so far in my mind I know intel 730 and sandisk extreme cover int warranty...
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Hi,need to ask how to install windows again on a new ssd.I want to do a clean install.I'm on a laptop that came with windows 8.Will I just need to replace my hdd and then put ssd and install windows?What I'm confused is if I can still reinstall the oem w8 that came with my laptop into my new ssd.I heard it is tied to the motherboard.
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QUOTE(Momo2014 @ Mar 12 2015, 09:03 PM)
Hi,need to ask how to install windows again on a new ssd.I want to do a clean install.I'm on a laptop that came with windows 8.Will I just need to replace my hdd and then put ssd and install windows?What I'm confused is if I can still reinstall the oem w8 that came with my laptop into my new ssd.I heard it is tied to the motherboard.
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are you installing from pendrive or old school DVDs?

just remove old HDD, plug in SSD, run the laptop, select boot device as pendrive/DVD, then its pretty much straightforward already

as for the windows to motherboard, youre still using the same motherboard, i dont see an issue unless youre reusing old key for new PC
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Mar 12 2015, 09:12 PM)
are you installing from pendrive or old school DVDs?

just remove old HDD, plug in SSD, run the laptop, select boot device as pendrive/DVD, then its pretty much straightforward already

as for the windows to motherboard, youre still using the same motherboard, i dont see an issue unless youre reusing old key for new PC
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So I need to download a copy of w8 and put it on a pendrive?and when installing it will automatically detect the cd key?
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So I need to download a copy of w8 and put it on a pendrive?and when installing it will automatically detect the cd key?
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CD key wise, no. youll need your own set to input before installing
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How do I find my w8 cd key?
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If you are using the oem Windows 8.1 it will automatically activate or you need to go to control panel to activate it. Else the key is at the bottom of your laptop.
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QUOTE(Momo2014 @ Mar 12 2015, 09:03 PM)
Hi,need to ask how to install windows again on a new ssd.I want to do a clean install.I'm on a laptop that came with windows 8.Will I just need to replace my hdd and then put ssd and install windows?What I'm confused is if I can still reinstall the oem w8 that came with my laptop into my new ssd.I heard it is tied to the motherboard.
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How do I find my w8 cd key?
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the better way to install os is to use usb drive. it's much faster, and is usually error-free.

first of all, run slmgr /dlv in admin command prompt, it will tell you which version of w8 the laptop is running on. the common ones are windows core, or single language. the laptop should run in uefi mode (gpt disk type). for new ssd, you just let the windows install media to do the job for you (make the ssd a gpt disk, and populate the appropriate partitions for uefi install). the key step to install windows in uefi mode is to use fat32-formatted usb drive, and extract the contents of downloaded w8 iso (the correct version based on the results of slmgr), and use the usb drive to install the os. (alternatively you can use marfccy's way to do it too) when you boot, select uefi type of your usb drive. (it will be labelled as something like 'uefi: <usb.drive.name>' in the boot media selection menu) by default, as long as you are using the right windows version, the key in bios will be used automatically during the installation.

as for cd key, machines that come with w8 or above don't have stickers under the laptop or inside the battery compartment anymore. it's embedded in the bios. you can use belarc advisor or rweverything to view it. (for backup purposes) if somehow you cannot activate the windows with this key, you can call microsoft for help. (did this before)

QUOTE(marfccy @ Mar 12 2015, 09:24 PM)
yes you need to if youre opting for fresh installation. and not just copy and paste into the pendrive, youll need to 'prep' the pendrive first. use the Windows 7 USB Tool (works with W8)

CD key wise, no. youll need your own set to input before installing
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no, there is no need to prep imo. you can actually format the usb drive with fat32 (for uefi mode installation; or ntfs for bios mode installation), then extract the contents of w8 iso into the drive. the structure since w8 can boot in uefi or bios mode depending on the type of filesystem format. for w7, you can do the same but an additional firmware file must be put in the right directory structure to make it work.

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the better way to install os is to use usb drive. it's much faster, and is usually error-free.

first of all, run slmgr /dlv in admin command prompt, it will tell you which version of w8 the laptop is running on. the common ones are windows core, or single language. the laptop should run in uefi mode (gpt disk type). for new ssd, you just let the windows install media to do the job for you (make the ssd a gpt disk, and populate the appropriate partitions for uefi install). the key step to install windows in uefi mode is to use fat32-formatted usb drive, and extract the contents of downloaded w8 iso (the correct version based on the results of slmgr), and use the usb drive to install the os. (alternatively you can use marfccy's way to do it too) when you boot, select uefi type of your usb drive. (it will be labelled as something like 'uefi: <usb.drive.name>' in the boot media selection menu) by default, as long as you are using the right windows version, the key in bios will be used automatically during the installation.

as for cd key, machines that come with w8 or above don't have stickers under the laptop or inside the battery compartment anymore. it's embedded in the bios. you can use belarc advisor or rweverything to view it. (for backup purposes) if somehow you cannot activate the windows with this key, you can call microsoft for help. (did this before)
no, there is no need to prep imo. you can actually format the usb drive with fat32 (for uefi mode installation; or ntfs for bios mode installation), then extract the contents of w8 iso into the drive. the structure since w8 can boot in uefi or bios mode depending on the type of filesystem format. for w7, you can do the same but an additional firmware file must be put in the right directory structure to make it work.
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the better way to install os is to use usb drive. it's much faster, and is usually error-free.

first of all, run slmgr /dlv in admin command prompt, it will tell you which version of w8 the laptop is running on. the common ones are windows core, or single language. the laptop should run in uefi mode (gpt disk type). for new ssd, you just let the windows install media to do the job for you (make the ssd a gpt disk, and populate the appropriate partitions for uefi install). the key step to install windows in uefi mode is to use fat32-formatted usb drive, and extract the contents of downloaded w8 iso (the correct version based on the results of slmgr), and use the usb drive to install the os. (alternatively you can use marfccy's way to do it too) when you boot, select uefi type of your usb drive. (it will be labelled as something like 'uefi: <usb.drive.name>' in the boot media selection menu) by default, as long as you are using the right windows version, the key in bios will be used automatically during the installation.

as for cd key, machines that come with w8 or above don't have stickers under the laptop or inside the battery compartment anymore. it's embedded in the bios. you can use belarc advisor or rweverything to view it. (for backup purposes) if somehow you cannot activate the windows with this key, you can call microsoft for help. (did this before)
no, there is no need to prep imo. you can actually format the usb drive with fat32 (for uefi mode installation; or ntfs for bios mode installation), then extract the contents of w8 iso into the drive. the structure since w8 can boot in uefi or bios mode depending on the type of filesystem format. for w7, you can do the same but an additional firmware file must be put in the right directory structure to make it work.
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Great advice, I thought we were not able to retrieve the embedded win8 key.
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Ok tthank you very much
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no problem. once you have completed all the driver install and windows updates, have windows activated, and have essential applications installed and updated, and confirmed everything is working fine, you can create a system image using the built-in tool. the apparent advantage of this method is to create a working snapshot of the os in its up-to-date form. this way, you do not need to go through all software installs, updates and patches again and again. (it's gigabytes these days, so it's a rather painful and time-consuming process) note that the windows activation tokens are also preserved in this process, so you don't need to call up Microsoft every time you do the system restore. all things that you need can be restored with less time, if something bad happens.

all you need is an external storage for system images, and a bootable and compatible windows install media.

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Great advice, I thought we were not able to retrieve the embedded win8 key.
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haha yeah i thought the same initially, until i searched the web out of curiosity lol
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no problem. once you have completed all the driver install and windows updates, have windows activated, and have essential applications installed and updated, and confirmed everything is working fine, you can create a system image using the built-in tool. the apparent advantage of this method is to create a working snapshot of the os in its up-to-date form. this way, you do not need to go through all software installs, updates and patches again and again. (it's gigabytes these days, so it's a rather painful and time-consuming process) note that the windows activation tokens are also preserved in this process, so you don't need to call up Microsoft every time you do the system restore. all things that you need can be restored with less time, if something bad happens.

all you need is an external storage for system images, and a bootable and compatible windows install media.
haha yeah i thought the same initially, until i searched the web out of curiosity lol
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Talking about we use create system image on previous HDD/SSD using Windows built-in-tool, what was the software name? hmm.gif

And also, why not we use 3rd Party Software like Clonezilla? hmm.gif
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Talking about we use create system image on previous HDD/SSD using Windows built-in-tool, what was the software name? hmm.gif

And also, why not we use 3rd Party Software like Clonezilla? hmm.gif
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i use administrative powershell command, wbAdmin. the actual command is 'wbAdmin start backup -backupTarget:<target.backup.drive.letter>: -include:C: -allCritical -quiet' (without quotes)

change <target.backup.drive.letter> to the location where you wanna store your system image (e.g. external hdd). it's better to store at the top level, i.e. x:\, assuming your external drive has a drive letter of x) what it does is to back up the os, and related system partitions only, without anything else (i.e. the minimum to restore a working system)

actually i don't use the gui version. it's in the control panel (for w8.1, it's under file history, click on system image backup to proceed)

yes you can use other software for the same purpose. to me the tool is built-in and it preserves everything i need, including system tweaks, ram cache and ram disk. so i just use it all the times biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(ngkhanmein @ Mar 13 2015, 11:50 AM)
This can backup our current system image and create a bootable? hmm.gif
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guys, should i enable or disable? Optimize Start Menu Cache Files

can cause any harm to ssd?


did u guys disable superfetch & prefetch on win8.1?

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guys, should i enable or disable? Optimize Start Menu Cache Files

can cause any harm to ssd?

did u guys disable superfetch & prefetch on win8.1?
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tbh there is no serious harm done without disabling this. without it the system still runs fine and as speedy as what i want. to me it's better to disable them. (save some writes)

yes i have disabled those too. apart from that, i move user temporary folder to ram disk. there are a lot of background writes that make use of temp folders that we are not aware of in daily use. these temp files are usually can be discarded safely upon reboot.

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tbh there is no serious harm done without disabling this. without it the system still runs fine and as speedy as what i want. to me it's better to disable them. (save some writes)

yes i have disabled those too. apart from that, i move user temporary folder to ram disk. there are a lot of background writes that make use of temp folders that we are not aware of in daily use. these temp files are usually can be discarded safely upon reboot.
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but i thought it auto disable for ssd on win8.1 whereas we still got hdd that need superfetch & prefetch rite? i know no improvement for ssd but hdd got different.
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This can backup our current system image and create a bootable? hmm.gif
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Juse use Acronis TrueImage WD edition, or windows own backup utility.
The Rufus one only can create bootable disk from Windows 7/8 disc or Linux discs.
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QUOTE(horns @ Mar 13 2015, 12:38 PM)
tbh there is no serious harm done without disabling this. without it the system still runs fine and as speedy as what i want. to me it's better to disable them. (save some writes)

yes i have disabled those too. apart from that, i move user temporary folder to ram disk. there are a lot of background writes that make use of temp folders that we are not aware of in daily use. these temp files are usually can be discarded safely upon reboot.
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Maybe I should move my temporary file to ram too. I got 16GB RAM while with 128GB SSD as my primary SSD partition.

QUOTE(1024kbps @ Mar 13 2015, 02:21 PM)
Juse use Acronis TrueImage WD edition, or windows own backup utility.
The Rufus one only can create bootable disk from Windows 7/8 disc or Linux discs.
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Thank you. I will look into it.
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QUOTE(ngkhanmein @ Mar 13 2015, 02:06 PM)
but i thought it auto disable for ssd on win8.1 whereas we still got hdd that need superfetch & prefetch rite? i know no improvement for ssd but hdd got different.
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I am not sure because it's my routine to disable them first after fresh install, along with system restore.

QUOTE(NightFelix @ Mar 13 2015, 02:35 PM)
Maybe I should move my temporary file to ram too. I got 16GB RAM while with 128GB SSD as my primary SSD partition.

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I think you should. You can start with 1 or 2gb ram disk. You should also move web browser cache locations to it.

I suggest softperfect ramdisk, free, very easy to set it up, one of the fastest.
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QUOTE(horns @ Mar 13 2015, 04:31 PM)
I am not sure because it's my routine to disable them first after fresh install, along with system restore.
I think you should. You can start with 1 or 2gb ram disk. You should also move web browser cache locations to it.

I suggest softperfect ramdisk, free, very easy to set it up, one of the fastest.
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by the way, i also disable superfetch & prefetch laugh.gif

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off-topic notes: how to set up a ram disk with softperfect ram disk. this is for those who are interested in doing so.

what you need and do is very simple:

1. install the software and create a ramdisk, and set it up accordingly; the size is up to you. you can start with a small one, then adjust it when it's insufficient for your usage.

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2. map user temporary folder, and web broswer cache folders to ram disk.

note that i use the option that creates the ramdisk and directory structures on-the-fly; i do not create a ramdisk image that can be reused (i.e. preserve the state of ram disk contents and reloaded upon next boot). to me, this is good enough. please consult the user manual for more complex setups.
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off-topic notes: how to set up a ram disk with softperfect ram disk. this is for those who are interested in doing so.
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Thanks. So your pagefile is still in c:?
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Thanks. So your pagefile is still in c:?
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my pagefile is 0. i haven't faced any issues for some years now without pagefile. i have 32gb of ram. i do adjustments according to my ram usage, i.e. i turn my ram disk, ram cache off if i need to. so far so good.

edit: to be safer, you can adjust the pagefile size accordingly until the level that you don't have problems running anything (in this case, the pagefile is in ssd). you can start with a minimal 1gb. or, you can also move it to hdd. (less optimal but you can put it as large as you want biggrin.gif)

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Lolz. Looks like i need 2 add more ram 4 trying out this ram disk thing. The more the merrier. laugh.gif rclxms.gif
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Lolz. Looks like i need 2 add more ram 4 trying out this ram disk thing. The more the merrier. laugh.gif rclxms.gif
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yeah the idea is to make full use of excess resources in the system to make it run smoother, but please don't do this for the sake of using ram disk only. to me ram disk is a bonus when i don't use a lot of ram for my work. my common usage only requires 8gb, so i have plenty to play with hehe

edit: finally, they are all dead now, http://techreport.com/review/27909/the-ssd...theyre-all-dead


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I plan to get a liteon s900 256gb next week, and put inisde my laptop.

The question is since my laptop is dos version, after i replace my hdd to ssd and insert a win7 dvd to fresh install, do i need to optimize any things to fully utilize the ssd??
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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Mar 14 2015, 10:24 AM)
Lolz. Looks like i need 2 add more ram 4 trying out this ram disk thing. The more the merrier. laugh.gif rclxms.gif
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currently i got 8gb ram only. wait i add another 8gb only can try with dataram ramdisk but it is worth? hmm.gif

http://www.ghacks.net/2010/06/10/use-a-ram...d-state-drives/

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I plan to get a liteon s900 256gb next week, and put inisde my laptop.

The question is since my laptop is dos version, after i replace my hdd to ssd and insert a win7 dvd to fresh install, do i need to optimize any things to fully utilize the ssd??
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yes you do. check out the first post for more information. actually, the first few posts have all the basic but good information that you can learn about ssd.
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currently i got 8gb ram only. wait i add another 8gb only can try with dataram ramdisk but it is worth? hmm.gif

http://www.ghacks.net/2010/06/10/use-a-ram...d-state-drives/
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itchy hands here laugh.gif doh.gif so i create this already with RAMDISK utility haha

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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Mar 14 2015, 07:44 PM)
itchy hands here laugh.gif doh.gif so i create this already with RAMDISK utility haha

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haha lazy but now i enable superfetch & prefetch. since ssd can last quite long so i don't care.
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is it ok if i use 2GB from 4GB ram available?
i use old laptop with sata2 port only..

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is it ok if i use 2GB from 4GB ram available?
i use old laptop with sata2 port only..
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is it ok if i use 2GB from 4GB ram available?
i use old laptop with sata2 port only..
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2gb out of 8gb should be safe haha
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2gb out of 8gb should be safe haha
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ramdisk suitable for those who got extra more ram. i still thinking whether to sell my ram & buy another 2x8gb kit.
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Rm199 for liteon 128gb ok or not? My pc setup almost finish without harddrive or ssd only...if i using pc only 3 hour a day for web surfing and some game, how long the ssd would last?
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QUOTE(makky @ Mar 15 2015, 10:04 PM)
Rm199 for liteon 128gb ok or not? My pc setup almost finish without harddrive or ssd only...if i using pc only 3 hour a day for web surfing and some game, how long the ssd would last?
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QUOTE(makky @ Mar 15 2015, 10:04 PM)
Rm199 for liteon 128gb ok or not? My pc setup almost finish without harddrive or ssd only...if i using pc only 3 hour a day for web surfing and some game, how long the ssd would last?
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The price for the LiteOn S900 is very good. The SSD will last longer than you expect so no worries. Anyways, mind sharing where you get to buy the ssd at that price? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(makky @ Mar 15 2015, 10:04 PM)
Rm199 for liteon 128gb ok or not? My pc setup almost finish without harddrive or ssd only...if i using pc only 3 hour a day for web surfing and some game, how long the ssd would last?
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don't worry about the lifespan. with that usage, plus proper ssd optimizations, it will last for quite some times. it's better to go for 256gb. it has more space for you.
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Oh God, people need to stop being so paranoid about SSD life... like seriously, stop.

http://techreport.com/review/27909/the-ssd...eyre-all-dead/4

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Mar 15 2015, 11:47 PM)
Oh God, people need to stop being so paranoid about SSD life... like seriously, stop.

http://techreport.com/review/27909/the-ssd...eyre-all-dead/4
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Haha, lastly the experiment came to an end... sweat.gif

But it do sounds some warning, particularly for Samsung's drive. Both their drives (TLC and MLC) suffered from spontaneous failure without pre-warning, that is something to take note bout though.
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Mar 15 2015, 11:47 PM)
Oh God, people need to stop being so paranoid about SSD life... like seriously, stop.

http://techreport.com/review/27909/the-ssd...eyre-all-dead/4
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right biggrin.gif imo the abuse of "limited lifespan" without giving a meaningful context of how long it is kind of the main reason of why people keep asking about this.

There are many such persons. I just hope they can one day get the facts right lol!

QUOTE(Human10 @ Mar 16 2015, 02:02 AM)
Haha, lastly the experiment came to an end... sweat.gif

But it do sounds some warning, particularly for Samsung's drive. Both their drives (TLC and MLC) suffered from spontaneous failure without pre-warning, that is something to take note bout though.
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Haha, lastly the experiment came to an end... sweat.gif

But it do sounds some warning, particularly for Samsung's drive. Both their drives (TLC and MLC) suffered from spontaneous failure without pre-warning, that is something to take note bout though.
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True, but that's after how many TB of writes? Their testing conditions were continuous, for nearly 18 months. In a typical consumer work load, even for those who torrent 24/7 will not reach that kind of writes any time soon.

Apply the same kind of continuous workload on a traditional HDD, it's quite obvious which will come out the winner.
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Mar 16 2015, 08:49 AM)
True, but that's after how many TB of writes? Their testing conditions were continuous, for nearly 18 months. In a typical consumer work load, even for those who torrent 24/7 will not reach that kind of writes any time soon.

Apply the same kind of continuous workload on a traditional HDD, it's quite obvious which will come out the winner.
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I do get that the workload is far beyond what a normal consumer will do, but there are still 2 issues.

- there will be exceptional consumers which indeed have such an insane amount of write on daily basis. Alternatively there may be programs/malwares which assist users achieving such insane amount of write.
https://www.google.com.my/search?q=drm+kill...3OJSIuwSdg4CYAg

- the issue isn't about how much will fail, but the issuing of warning signal b4 failing.

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- Users who need enterprise class workloads should go for enterprise SSDs. If they want to save cost because they cannot afford to pay for the premium, then who's to blame if something goes wrong? Same for those who uses consumer class HDDs for continuous workloads in tight server racks.

- It is people's responsibility to keep their own drives clean, no 2 ways about this IMO.

- I do agree that a SSD should signal something before failure. But you and I know that there are symptoms to a failing drive right before they actually just go dead. I do hope there are more comprehensive controllers in the future that will allow users to monitor their usage in exact through SSD apps.
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what SSJBen said. yes a signal to warn drive failure is good, but imo a more practical way is to do backups. you don't write a lot in backup drives/storage, except for backing up stuff. for now, backups in hdd still makes sense.
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QUOTE(makky @ Mar 15 2015, 10:04 PM)
Rm199 for liteon 128gb ok or not? My pc setup almost finish without harddrive or ssd only...if i using pc only 3 hour a day for web surfing and some game, how long the ssd would last?
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Get 128GB + 1TB HDD or else 256GB which are more likely recommended. PS. RM199 Liteon 128GB where you get that price? Cheapest I saw is RM205.
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saw this article: http://www.lowyat.net/2015/03/ssds-in-benc...nyone-expected/

and wanna replace my laptop's hdd with ssd.
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QUOTE(streetfighter2020 @ Mar 17 2015, 04:18 PM)
hey guys, is there any significant difference between the samsung 850 pro and 840 pro besides the price?

saw this article: http://www.lowyat.net/2015/03/ssds-in-benc...nyone-expected/

and wanna replace my laptop's hdd with ssd.
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The ssd is not even a month. sad.gif
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QUOTE(limadekad @ Mar 17 2015, 06:23 PM)
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The ssd is not even a month. sad.gif
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oh no, i hope this is not a big issue.
im particularly want to add that SSD

edit

after a quick research, i just found out that could be HD Tune error.
also the same would be problem if it was on HDD, with SSD its a different story.

here are some link to look at.

1st discussion
2nd discussion

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Try other benchmark 1st.
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in general. it's better to use the ssd management software from the manufacturers. the thing is that there is no standardization in smart information for ssd yet. manufacturers define and use their smart attributes for their ssd (especially for special features in their ssds). also, not all manufacturers release their list of smart attributes to public. (many do but not all. you might need to dig deeper on the internet for more information) the closest that i can refer to is the smartctl database. (tbh their ssd database is not really complete)

i never used this hd tune pro, so i'm not sure if they provided updated vendor-specific smart information regularly. you can try hdd guardian and see how it goes, https://hddguardian.codeplex.com/ (run it as administrator, and remember to update the smartctl database)



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any recommendation for ssd about 250gb? samsung 850 evo ok? I saw some ppl buy liteon s900 seems cheaper but performance dont know how is it.
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any recommendation for ssd about 250gb? samsung 850 evo ok? I saw some ppl buy liteon s900 seems cheaper but performance dont know how is it.
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for the similar price, i will always go for mlc nand flash instead of tlc. (unless that mlc is a vanilla asynchronous nand hehe)
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QUOTE(streetfighter2020 @ Mar 17 2015, 04:18 PM)
hey guys, is there any significant difference between the samsung 850 pro and 840 pro besides the price?

saw this article: http://www.lowyat.net/2015/03/ssds-in-benc...nyone-expected/

and wanna replace my laptop's hdd with ssd.
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850 pro = new tech (3D V-nand) and among the best one can get for consumer SSD on terms of durability, warranty and speed.

The only concern is its price, LOL...

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Hi guys!

Need some advice here.. Will 120GB SSD storage for C suffice? Will install OS, programs and some FPS games here..
Read that SSD will not be so efficient if its 3/4 full.. Is it true?
Please help..

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QUOTE(Neomax3 @ Mar 18 2015, 06:27 PM)
Hi guys!

Need some advice here.. Will 120GB SSD storage for C suffice? Will install OS, programs and some FPS games here..
Read that SSD will not be so efficient if its 3/4 full.. Is it true?
Please help..
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er you should know the answer better. only you know the total size of your 'programs' and 'fps games' (especially games. bf4 alone is about 56+ gb?). if it's solely for os and some productivity suites, yes it should be fine.

normally yes but it depends on the type of activities (reads or writes. usually availability of free space affects writes more). when the ssd space is getting filled up, there will be a point that the ssd controller needs to do extra work in order to sustain writes performance (e.g. moving data around to free up space for further writes. the time needed to complete the same task become longer, hence you feel the slowdown of performance). this is why as a practice we purposely set over provisioning up in a ssd so that there will be some reserved space for the controller to work with. note that some drives already have additional OP done so you don't need to do that.

if the activities involves more reads than writes (os booting, app loading, etc.), it should be no problem even if the drive is 90% full.
again, for general use, you might not experience that.
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QUOTE(Neomax3 @ Mar 18 2015, 06:27 PM)
Hi guys!

Need some advice here.. Will 120GB SSD storage for C suffice? Will install OS, programs and some FPS games here..
Read that SSD will not be so efficient if its 3/4 full.. Is it true?
Please help..
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er you should know the answer better. only you know the total size of your 'programs' and 'fps games' (especially games. bf4 alone is about 56+ gb?). if it's solely for os and some productivity suites, yes it should be fine.

normally yes but it depends on the type of activities (reads or writes. usually availability of free space affects writes more). when the ssd space is getting filled up, there will be a point that the ssd controller needs to do extra work in order to sustain writes performance (e.g. moving data around to free up space for further writes. the time needed to complete the same task become longer, hence you feel the slowdown of performance). this is why as a practice we purposely set over provisioning up in a ssd so that there will be some reserved space for the controller to work with. note that some drives already have additional OP done so you don't need to do that.

if the activities involves more reads than writes (os booting, app loading, etc.), it should be no problem even if the drive is 90% full.
again, for general use, you might not experience that.
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Thank You for your reply! thumbup.gif My concern is that some games won't let you install in other directory other than C drive.. If it is not the case than based on my current software and usage patterns 120GB is enough..


QUOTE(NightFelix @ Mar 19 2015, 12:27 AM)
Most of my stuff store at D except those important program like my productivity like Ms Office, Adobe PS/AI stuff.. Only took 40%. No games at all.
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Thank You for your reply! thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(Neomax3 @ Mar 19 2015, 11:39 AM)
Thank You for your reply!  thumbup.gif My concern is that some games won't let you install in other directory other than C drive.. If it is not the case than based on my current software and usage patterns 120GB is enough..
Thank You for your reply!  thumbup.gif
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My Samsung 840 Evo Read and Random Read speeds are above what was advertised but my Write and Random Write speeds have dropped almost 30%. I have already run the Performance restoration download to counter the old files bug but I really don't know what's going on. This happened after I moved from Windows Defender to Kaspersky as well as updated my AMD drivers. I think the fact I fixed BF4 5-6 times due to DirectX errors have something to do with it.
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QUOTE(Sentinel92 @ Mar 20 2015, 02:20 AM)
My Samsung 840 Evo Read and Random Read speeds are above what was advertised but my Write and Random Write speeds have dropped almost 30%. I have already run the Performance restoration download to counter the old files bug but I really don't know what's going on. This happened after I moved from Windows Defender to Kaspersky as well as updated my AMD drivers. I think the fact I fixed BF4 5-6 times due to DirectX errors have something to do with it.
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the drive is a victim of the second wave bug i think.

i have plenty of dx errors in bf4 also :/ and the recent bugs are really depressing. go in, then killcam bug. great.
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This probably the cheapest "stated price" I saw around already. Whether still negotiable or not I no idea as never deal with him before.
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=3431674&hl=
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QUOTE(horns @ Mar 20 2015, 11:04 AM)
the drive is a victim of the second wave bug i think.

i have plenty of dx errors in bf4 also :/ and the recent bugs are really depressing. go in, then killcam bug. great.
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So do I redo the Performance restoration again? The read speeds are all fantastically above what samsung advertised but write is not. Sigh. But otherwise there is no fully noticeable hit on overall performance though. I do notice my browsers taking a tiny slight longer time to open.

And yeah, the constant crashing happens after the recent patch. I gave up fixing the game so I deleted the whole bloody file and just reinstalled. My regret was upgrading to newer Omega drivers in the process. Now BF4 stutters like mad.

The killcam bug pisses me off the most. I'll be having a fantastic game on a epic kill spree and this thing on schedule Will hit me. Like WTF.
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QUOTE(Sentinel92 @ Mar 20 2015, 12:01 PM)
So do I redo the Performance restoration again? The read speeds are all fantastically above what samsung advertised but write is not. Sigh. But otherwise there is no fully noticeable hit on overall performance though. I do notice my browsers taking a tiny slight longer time to open.

And yeah, the constant crashing happens after the recent patch. I gave up fixing the game so I deleted the whole bloody file and just reinstalled. My regret was upgrading to newer Omega drivers in the process. Now BF4 stutters like mad.

The killcam bug pisses me off the most. I'll be having a fantastic game on a epic kill spree and this thing on schedule Will hit me. Like WTF.
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i think you better wait for the second fix since it doesn't have terrible impacts to your usage yet. i thought the current fix can only run once. i'm not sure.

ah that's bad. i will not play bf4 with stuttering going on. it's depressing :/ maybe you should clean the gpu driver first and revert to the older drivers (using ddu, http://www.wagnardmobile.com/DDU/ or other better ones sorry i am not familiar with amd gpu)

haha same here when i got better scores usually it will happen biggrin.gif this is by far the worst patch we have. netcode bugs are also very common these days.

edit: a new tool, ssd-z, http://aezay.dk/aezay/ssdz/


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Best Price RM370 + Shipping RM8. 256GB variant.
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QUOTE(horns @ Mar 20 2015, 02:42 PM)
i think you better wait for the second fix since it doesn't have terrible impacts to your usage yet. i thought the current fix can only run once. i'm not sure.

ah that's bad. i will not play bf4 with stuttering going on. it's depressing :/ maybe you should clean the gpu driver first and revert to the older drivers (using ddu, http://www.wagnardmobile.com/DDU/ or other better ones sorry i am not familiar with amd gpu)

haha same here when i got better scores usually it will happen biggrin.gif this is by far the worst patch we have. netcode bugs are also very common these days.

edit: a new tool, ssd-z, http://aezay.dk/aezay/ssdz/
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I found the issue to all my problems. It's my damned TP Link Wifi dongle and it's drivers. It keeps causing random internet connection or speed drops, leading to GPU driver crashes as it can't keep up, and also BSOD my PC 3-4 times already.

My SSD is pretty much back to normal now except random write which is still 40% lower than stated but everything else is faster than advertised.

BF4 doesn't stutter much now. 2-3KD per round easy.

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if i use raid 0 on my SSD..
should i care about over provision too?
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I found the issue to all my problems. It's my damned TP Link Wifi dongle and it's drivers. It keeps causing random internet connection or speed drops, leading to GPU driver crashes as it can't keep up, and also BSOD my PC 3-4 times already.

My SSD is pretty much back to normal now except random write which is still 40% lower than stated but everything else is faster than advertised.

BF4 doesn't stutter much now. 2-3KD per round easy.
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oh haha

well i guess samsung is very careful this time. (it's been a while since the report about the second wave of report) it's really bad for them to unable to provide proper fix during the first time.

QUOTE(air_pull91 @ Mar 21 2015, 10:53 AM)
hi guys..
if i use raid 0 on my SSD..
should i care about over provision too?
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yes, over provisioning is to provide unused space for trim and garbage collection operations by the controllers. you can do it 2 ways, but normally the first one is easier to manage:

1. creating the raid array with all the space available. after windows install, use disk management to shrink the partition so that there are unallocated space for op;
2. creating the smaller raid array with some space unused.
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QUOTE(Sentinel92 @ Mar 21 2015, 02:50 AM)
I found the issue to all my problems. It's my damned TP Link Wifi dongle and it's drivers. It keeps causing random internet connection or speed drops, leading to GPU driver crashes as it can't keep up, and also BSOD my PC 3-4 times already.

My SSD is pretty much back to normal now except random write which is still 40% lower than stated but everything else is faster than advertised.

BF4 doesn't stutter much now. 2-3KD per round easy.
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avoid TP link product. even TM default modem also TP LINK
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QUOTE(ngkhanmein @ Mar 21 2015, 12:06 PM)
avoid TP link product. even TM default modem also TP LINK
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Offtopic, if I use TP link products due to a closed friend of mine are selling this as their main brand networking products.
What other brand you recommend?
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QUOTE(NightFelix @ Mar 21 2015, 12:08 PM)
Offtopic, if I use TP link products due to a closed friend of mine are selling this as their main brand networking products.
What other brand you recommend?
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asus or belkin. u still can get TP link but choose the more expensive one should be ok. i got trauma with the particular brand.

seriously like adata ssd u give me i also won't use.
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Sorry off topic as well, but damn man even Windows themselves said the TP Link drivers and configuration tools are incompatible. Problem started after a recent Windows update where everything went to shits. Sigh. Using powerline now, I get slower speeds but I get back my very badly missed stability. Will upgrade the power lines and internet cables to better ones. Will sell of my d link router and tp link dongle.

As for samsung, I do hope they come out with a further patch to solve my random write speed drops. Sometimes I only get 30K IOPS which is half of what was advertised.
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QUOTE(Sentinel92 @ Mar 21 2015, 12:23 PM)
Sorry off topic as well, but damn man even Windows themselves said the TP Link drivers and configuration tools are incompatible. Problem started after a recent Windows update where everything went to shits. Sigh. Using powerline now, I get slower speeds but I get back my very badly missed stability. Will upgrade the power lines and internet cables to better ones. Will sell of my d link router and tp link dongle.

As for samsung, I do hope they come out with a further patch to solve my random write speed drops. Sometimes I only get 30K IOPS which is half of what was advertised.
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sell u evo get pro. i think samsung pro is the best. i'm currently using 32GB microsd samsung evo. i also didn't get what they advertised.
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thanks bro..
now another question..
i tried to secure erase my ssd but this problem always occured..
already done the instruction given but still the same error appeared :'(

edit: its done..i know how to do it smile.gif

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HYPER X FURY (240GB) & liteon s900 (256GB) which one better? there both almost the same price
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QUOTE(Shirleykame @ Mar 21 2015, 04:38 PM)
HYPER X FURY (240GB) & liteon s900 (256GB) which one better? there both almost the same price
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liteon s900. relatively, hyperx fury should be slower i think.
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QUOTE(Sentinel92 @ Mar 21 2015, 12:23 PM)
Sorry off topic as well, but damn man even Windows themselves said the TP Link drivers and configuration tools are incompatible. Problem started after a recent Windows update where everything went to shits. Sigh. Using powerline now, I get slower speeds but I get back my very badly missed stability. Will upgrade the power lines and internet cables to better ones. Will sell of my d link router and tp link dongle.

As for samsung, I do hope they come out with a further patch to solve my random write speed drops. Sometimes I only get 30K IOPS which is half of what was advertised.
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cucuk LAN cable only, wifi is unreliable due to high latency

> me
> using wireless, shit speed 1/2 of what was advertised
> change to homeplugs
> speed actually reach its top advertised speed
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Mar 21 2015, 07:10 PM)
cucuk LAN cable only, wifi is unreliable due to high latency

> me
> using wireless, shit speed 1/2 of what was advertised
> change to homeplugs
> speed actually reach its top advertised speed
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You lucky you. Mine is between two evils.

Wifi:
- unstable as fark.
- retarded BSOD causing drivers
- but full 2MBps real download speed.

Homeplug
- Stable
- instant connection
- but speed drops to 600KBps.

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QUOTE(Sentinel92 @ Mar 21 2015, 07:50 PM)
You lucky you. Mine is between two evils.

Wifi:
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- retarded BSOD causing drivers
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Mar 21 2015, 08:17 PM)
how in the.. rclxub.gif
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Homeplug bro, the 150Mbps one with CAT5e cables. Ain't the fastest thing out of the box. :'(
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QUOTE(Sentinel92 @ Mar 21 2015, 09:26 PM)
Homeplug bro, the 150Mbps one with CAT5e cables. Ain't the fastest thing out of the box. :'(
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still, those are LAN speeds, not internet hmm.gif

CAT5e theoretical bandwidth is also way beyond what Msian internet can provide for average consumer as well (1Gbps)

you sure youre plugged into the right LAN port on the router?

my homeplugs can support 1MB/s Maxis Fibre no issue with CAT5e (granted i bought 600Mbps homeplugs)
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streamyx line with 1mbps using http://www.mi.com/miniwifi/ with 150Mbps

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QUOTE(marfccy @ Mar 21 2015, 09:45 PM)
still, those are LAN speeds, not internet hmm.gif

CAT5e theoretical bandwidth is also way beyond what Msian internet can provide for average consumer as well (1Gbps)

you sure youre plugged into the right LAN port on the router?

my homeplugs can support 1MB/s Maxis Fibre no issue with CAT5e (granted i bought 600Mbps homeplugs)
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I think it was first day kinda thing. Now my speed has doubled back after testing. Haha. Still slower than my 5Ghz Dual Band wifi speed though. But good enough. Finally got the stability I missed for months. Easily wrecking people in BF4 like heck for the last two days with 3-4KD.
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QUOTE(Sentinel92 @ Mar 22 2015, 02:08 AM)
I think it was first day kinda thing. Now my speed has doubled back after testing. Haha. Still slower than my 5Ghz Dual Band wifi speed though. But good enough. Finally got the stability I missed for months. Easily wrecking people in BF4 like heck for the last two days with 3-4KD.
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i think its just that day youre getting trolled by ISPs. my first few days with Maxis wasnt great at all, enough to pull hair off sweat.gif

but over the days, seems like all went okay. as long as its stable and delivers, im good

back in the days, i rmb TM streamyx trolled the fuk out of me. 1 1/2 week of no internet laugh.gif
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hi i just bought liteon s900 256gb few days ago.

here is the benchmarks after fresh install windows 7 and some drivers

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do it consider normal ?
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hi,if i buy a 120gb 850 evo from amazon/newegg does the warranty cover us only or international?

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hi i just bought liteon s900 256gb few days ago.

here is the benchmarks after fresh install windows 7 and some drivers

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QUOTE(Momo2014 @ Mar 22 2015, 05:13 PM)
hi,if i buy a 120gb 850 evo from amazon/newegg does the warranty cover us only or international?
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QUOTE(smallcrab @ Mar 7 2015, 02:59 AM)
Just managed to clone my multi partition HDD tp SSD (have issues from the last thread https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2874570/+2540)

Found Drive Clone 11 (Farstone) , free for personal use.
Excellent! So far this the only software i know that can clone multi partitions and auto resize it. Damn easy to use.

http://www.farstone.com/software/drive-clone.php

I don't have to reinstall all my licensed program again.

Ok. my SSD upgrade review.

So far, the boot up time of Win 7 Pro is much quicker (now only took 30% loading time vs my old HDD, and programs load up faster as well on my Transcend370 256GB SSD.

Money well spent ! This is after all budget class SSD.
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I am asking because i cant remember mine!


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How to check if my 5 year old laptop running windows vista able to change to SSD?

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Bro..  Did the farstone software ask for the OS lisense key?

I am asking because i cant remember mine!
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Farstone was free for personal use.

Or you mean license key for other software that was cloned?
Only 1 proprietary software required re-enter (non Microsoft), others no need.
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QUOTE(smallcrab @ Mar 23 2015, 12:05 AM)
Farstone was free for personal use.

Or you mean license key for other software that was cloned?
Only 1 proprietary software required re-enter (non Microsoft), others no need.
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Haha.. My meaning is the previous Windows OS key. No need to re typed again right?

So till now happy with the performamce?

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Mar 22 2015, 11:35 PM)
Haha..  My meaning is the previous Windows OS key. No need to re typed again right?

So till now happy with the performamce?
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windows OS /MS office key no need.

Performance good enough for me, OS loading startup / resume time obviously fast.

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QUOTE(marfccy @ Mar 22 2015, 04:30 AM)
i think its just that day youre getting trolled by ISPs. my first few days with Maxis wasnt great at all, enough to pull hair off sweat.gif

but over the days, seems like all went okay. as long as its stable and delivers, im good

back in the days, i rmb TM streamyx trolled the fuk out of me. 1 1/2 week of no internet laugh.gif
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Meh, I think I'll just get new Powerlines since this ones belong to my boss and is one of the older models.

One thing I did notice though. From cold start to Windows is faster now. But it takes slightly longer to shut down. Dafuq is with my PC.

But yeah, no more crashes, BSOD or software glitches ever since I got rid of the TP Link drivers.
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QUOTE(Sentinel92 @ Mar 23 2015, 03:09 AM)
Meh, I think I'll just get new Powerlines since this ones belong to my boss and is one of the older models.

One thing I did notice though. From cold start to Windows is faster now. But it takes slightly longer to shut down. Dafuq is with my PC.

But yeah, no more crashes, BSOD or software glitches ever since I got rid of the TP Link drivers.
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hmm wireless drivers affecting SSD perf. might give a heads up to a friend who's using SSD with one TP Link USB wifi adapter hmm.gif

shutting down usually takes longer than start up, dont they usually?
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QUOTE(smallcrab @ Mar 23 2015, 12:44 AM)
windows OS /MS office key no need.

Performance good enough for me, OS loading startup / resume time obviously fast.
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Hmm.. Only during startup and resume. Can feel significantly faster on browsing? Doing Microsoft office stuff?

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Hmm..  Only during startup and resume.  Can feel significantly faster on browsing?  Doing Microsoft office stuff?
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Running and loading of programs also will be faster.

In short, your PC feel more responsive.

As for your question on upgrade on your vista lappy, yeah it should work.

But I bet your lappy is SATA2 (or older perharps), so the speed will be capped accordingly. But economical and convenience sake, just go out and grab SATA3 HDD.

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Running and loading of programs also will be faster.

In short, your PC feel more responsive.

As for your question on upgrade on your vista lappy, yeah it should work.

But I bet your lappy is SATA2 (or older perharps), so the speed will be capped accordingly. But economical and convenience sake, just go out and grab SATA3 HDD.
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Will I feel the difference using SATA3 HDD?

I will Youtube out these in these few days.. tongue.gif
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Will I feel the difference using SATA3 HDD?

I will Youtube out these in these few days.. tongue.gif
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The speed will be capped, but still far faster than HDD.
http://forum.crucial.com/t5/image/serverpa...BD46E0?v=mpbl-1
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QUOTE(Sentinel92 @ Mar 23 2015, 03:09 AM)
Meh, I think I'll just get new Powerlines since this ones belong to my boss and is one of the older models.

One thing I did notice though. From cold start to Windows is faster now. But it takes slightly longer to shut down. Dafuq is with my PC.

But yeah, no more crashes, BSOD or software glitches ever since I got rid of the TP Link drivers.
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that's an interesting side effect about tp link stuff.

QUOTE(marfccy @ Mar 23 2015, 03:24 AM)
hmm wireless drivers affecting SSD perf. might give a heads up to a friend who's using SSD with one TP Link USB wifi adapter hmm.gif

shutting down usually takes longer than start up, dont they usually?
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maybe he should remove the adapter first before shutting the computer down. it should be faster.
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hi i just bought liteon s900 256gb few days ago.

here is the benchmarks after fresh install windows 7 and some drivers

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Buying an new SSD and upgrade on my laptop is like a brand new Laptop. So speedy and fluid. biggrin.gif
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hey where did you get your s900?  tongue.gif
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Buying an new SSD and upgrade on my laptop is like a brand new Laptop. So speedy and fluid. biggrin.gif
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I bought same price as yours from ETechPC. Shipping add RM8.
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im thinking to upgrade my current SSD @ Samsung EVO 840 120GB to something better.

but currently in dilemma and i don't know which one is the best for budget around RM350.
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QUOTE(Shirleykame @ Mar 26 2015, 11:33 AM)
is intel 520 series 240GB @ rm350 a good deal? or liteon s900 256gb better?
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I would pick whichever value for GB/RM.
Quick Google found that Intel520series came out around 2012Q1 while LiteonS900(M5Pro) are around 2012Q3. But obviously Liteon are newer based on manufacturing.

QUOTE(Sup2Nic @ Mar 26 2015, 11:41 AM)
im thinking to upgrade my current SSD @ Samsung EVO 840 120GB to something better.

but currently in dilemma and i don't know which one is the best for budget around RM350.
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I don't think you can get any upgrade version of Samsung SSD at budget RM350.
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QUOTE(NightFelix @ Mar 26 2015, 11:53 AM)
I would pick whichever value for GB/RM.
Quick Google found that Intel520series came out around 2012Q1 while LiteonS900(M5Pro) are around 2012Q3. But obviously Liteon are newer based on manufacturing.
I don't think you can get any upgrade version of Samsung SSD at budget RM350.
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QUOTE(Sup2Nic @ Mar 26 2015, 12:00 PM)
i mean any other brand will do.
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Performance more or less same. I would look for 250GB at your budget range
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Performance more or less same. I would look for 250GB at your budget range
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could you recommend me best SSD in terms of overall performance for 256GB?
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could you recommend me best SSD in terms of overall performance for 256GB?
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Currently best bang for bucks is Liteon S900 128/256GB. A rebadge products of Plextor M5Pro. You even see those sifu at Rig Recommendation thread suggest to take this model as well.
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QUOTE(Sup2Nic @ Mar 26 2015, 01:10 PM)
could you recommend me best SSD in terms of overall performance for 256GB?
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liteon s900 256gb. for general use, it's more than sufficient. it's a newer, good drive imo.
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QUOTE(horns @ Mar 26 2015, 04:14 PM)
liteon s900 256gb. for general use, it's more than sufficient. it's a newer, good drive imo.
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Liteon S900 no 512GB...? unsure.gif unsure.gif

Any good brands for 480GB and above...?

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Liteon S900 no 512GB...?  unsure.gif  unsure.gif

Any good brands for 480GB and above...?
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QUOTE(NightFelix @ Mar 26 2015, 11:53 AM)
I would pick whichever value for GB/RM.
Quick Google found that Intel520series came out around 2012Q1 while LiteonS900(M5Pro) are around 2012Q3. But obviously Liteon are newer based on manufacturing.
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The date of manufacture tells very little. Even newer is not better with ssds since newer tlc memory and smaller process nodes have a shorter lifespan.

The big difference is that the Intel 520 is using a sandforce controller and has had issues with it int the past. Liteon is using newer 19nm nand and is faster in sequential writes with incompressible data.
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Any recommendations for a cheaper ssd? Looking at Liteon Mu series 256Gb for RM359, S900 for RM380, Transcend 370, Adata SP610.

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Any recommendations for a cheaper ssd? Looking at Liteon Mu series 256Gb for RM359, S900 for RM380, Transcend 370, Adata SP610.
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Idealtech have sell Intel 530 120GB RM299 5 years warranty.
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Idealtech have sell Intel 530 120GB RM299 5 years warranty.
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hai guys..wanna buy ssd in melaka or any shop tht have posting service sell cheap ssd
...lowyat is too far ... or anyone know good place in melaka sell cheap ssd ..

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Hi Guys,

Just got Plextor M6 Pro 128GB..How to check what firmware version I am using for this SSD.

Do I need to update the firmware?

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hai guys..wanna buy ssd in melaka or any shop tht have posting service sell cheap ssd
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Alternatively you can opt for online sellers at garage sales.

QUOTE(christina1 @ Mar 29 2015, 10:05 AM)
Hi Guys,

Just got Plextor M6 Pro 128GB..How to check what firmware version I am using for this SSD.

Do I need to update the firmware?
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Usually the box or ssd label have firmware version info. You can also use crystal diskinfo to get the firmware version.

You can download new firmware from goplextor.com. The update procedure is simple, and is normally non-destructive. For safety's sake, just do a data backup first. Create a usb bootable with the iso via rufus/pendrivelinux tool and use it to boot and apply the update.

The need to update the firmware depends on issues on the current firmware. it's optional if your drive works well.


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Can feel improvement in speed on old laptop? Run hot?
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QUOTE(christina1 @ Mar 29 2015, 10:05 AM)
Hi Guys,

Just got Plextor M6 Pro 128GB..How to check what firmware version I am using for this SSD.

Do I need to update the firmware?
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http://www.goplextor.com/asia/index.php/do...egory&catid=227
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I bought same price as yours from ETechPC. Shipping add RM8.
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Warranty they give is 3 years?

How long need to wait after u confirm to ship to you?
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Hi everyone here, i need some suggestions, noobie here...
Im using lenovo y510p, im looking forward to add 1 ssd into my laptop.
It now has 1tb hdd on the board and a m.2(ngff) slot,
1) If i buy a normal 2.5" ssd to replace the hdd inside, n shift the hdd to my ultrabay (with the purchase of hdd caddy), will the warranty get voided? do i have to reformat my windows if i were to use the ssd as my windows boot up drive?
2) if i buy a m.2(ngff) ssd n slot it in, could it be the windows boot up drive or only act as a storage drive?

Budget is kinda limited, i saw m.2(ngff) ssd is so expensive, it is like 3x the price of normal 2.5' ssd sad.gif

*extra question, when i just starting up my windows 8.1 laptop (or sometimes randomly), the disk usage get 100% for like 5-10minutes, why is it like this? is it that i torrent too much n hurt the hdd? sad.gif
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QUOTE(horns @ Mar 29 2015, 12:37 PM)
Alternatively you can opt for online sellers at garage sales.
Usually the box or ssd label have firmware version info. You can also use crystal diskinfo to get the firmware version.

You can download new firmware from goplextor.com. The update procedure is simple, and is normally non-destructive. For safety's sake, just do a data backup first. Create a usb bootable with the iso via rufus/pendrivelinux tool and use it to boot and apply the update.

The need to update the firmware depends on issues on the current firmware. it's optional if your drive works well.
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Are you using Plextor SSD as well?
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QUOTE(ngkhanmein @ Mar 29 2015, 01:28 PM)
Are you using Plextor SSD as well?
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QUOTE(christina1 @ Mar 29 2015, 02:16 PM)
Are you using Plextor SSD as well?
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Hows the performance? Can this m6s fit on laptop ?

Dont see much of performance difference compare to my Samsung 128GB Evo
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QUOTE(christina1 @ Mar 29 2015, 02:32 PM)
Hows the performance? Can this m6s fit on laptop ?

Dont see much of performance difference compare to my Samsung 128GB Evo
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majority ssd will be fit on any lappy. performance more or less the same. if u wanna buy samsung just go for PRO instead EVO.

i'm using 32GB Samsung EVO on S3. cool2.gif my ssd is bundle with GPU together so no much choice.
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QUOTE(Momo2014 @ Mar 29 2015, 02:42 PM)
I got it for rm240 including postage.Thats a steal for me.
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QUOTE(horns @ Mar 9 2015, 10:46 PM)
yes. just checked your mobo manual (i took a look at h71m-dgs; couldn't find h71-dgs at asrock website), the mobo has only sata2 ports. there is no sata3 ports.

from your diskmark test, your ssd is actually running at full sata2 speed. that's nothing wrong with it.
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How to look st the test speed? The first row result is the most important?

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Mar 29 2015, 01:23 PM)
Go to Lowyat and buy from them? I wanted to go, but thinking of Lowyat in KL, lazy to go... tongue.gif
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Ya, just go there and tell the model u wan smile.gif

If u stay far from KL, suggest u buy from online shop, the price almost the same.
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QUOTE(icecreamcake @ Mar 29 2015, 06:34 PM)
Ya, just go there and tell the model u wan  smile.gif

If u stay far from KL, suggest u buy from online shop, the price almost the same.
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Mar 29 2015, 01:21 PM)
Can feel improvement in speed on old laptop? Run hot?
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it was like using i5 proc right now..hahaha

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QUOTE(ngkhanmein @ Mar 29 2015, 02:38 PM)
majority ssd will be fit on any lappy. performance more or less the same. if u wanna buy samsung just go for PRO instead EVO.

i'm using 32GB Samsung EVO on S3. cool2.gif my ssd is bundle with GPU together so no much choice.
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is it adding a memory ,same model as u, my phone will become more smooth / fast?

btw,i am using s3 too.

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QUOTE(andykok @ Mar 29 2015, 10:03 PM)
is it adding a memory ,same model as u, my phone will become more smooth / fast?

btw,i am using s3 too.
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mostly i stored dramas, apk, rom etc. my 8GB adata kantoi so i bought this one. sandisk too many fake out there. transfer speed not exactly the same they stated but so far ok. importantly made in korea expect the adapter made in china.
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QUOTE(ngkhanmein @ Mar 29 2015, 10:35 PM)
mostly i stored dramas, apk, rom etc. my 8GB adata kantoi so i bought this one. sandisk too many fake out there. transfer speed not exactly the same they stated but so far ok. importantly made in korea expect the adapter made in china.
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how many SSD you are having?
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Hi I just bought an ssd and clone with my hdd, now I want to use the hdd as second drive in optical drive bay do I need to format the hdd that with windows inside?
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QUOTE(bylkw2 @ Mar 29 2015, 01:54 PM)
Hi everyone here, i need some suggestions, noobie here...
Im using lenovo y510p, im looking forward to add 1 ssd into my laptop.
It now has 1tb hdd on the board and a m.2(ngff) slot,
1) If i buy a normal 2.5" ssd to replace the hdd inside, n shift the hdd to my ultrabay (with the purchase of hdd caddy), will the warranty get voided? do i have  to reformat my windows if i were to use the ssd as my windows boot up drive?
2) if i buy a m.2(ngff) ssd n slot it in, could it be the windows boot up drive or only act as a storage drive?

Budget is kinda limited, i saw m.2(ngff) ssd is so expensive, it is like 3x the price of normal 2.5' ssd sad.gif

*extra question, when i just starting up my windows 8.1 laptop (or sometimes randomly), the disk usage get 100% for like 5-10minutes, why is it like this? is it that i torrent too much n hurt the hdd? sad.gif
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1) for warranty claims, just put stock parts back in their original places. honestly when i modify my laptops, i keep stock parts untouched. i then buy new parts (ssd, hdd, ram, wifi card, etc.) and replace them.

2) usually it can be a boot drive, but you should wait for a more definitive answer from other y510p owners.

if you still used the stock os with stock bloatwares, that might be the case. normally bloatwares will add services in the background and they might add more reads/writes to hdd. also know that even a plain, non-optimized os can cause 100% usage of hdd. you should do some system optimizations, and throw away bloatwares that you don't use. the better way is to do a fresh os install and build your system up from scratch.

QUOTE(christina1 @ Mar 29 2015, 02:16 PM)
Are you using Plextor SSD as well?
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m5pro, m5m.

QUOTE(wahdiao @ Mar 30 2015, 08:03 AM)
Hi I just bought an ssd and clone with my hdd, now I want to use the hdd as second drive in optical drive bay do I need to format the hdd that with windows inside?
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yes, it's better to avoid potential issues like mixing up boot orders of your computer.
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okay, but how do I format the hdd since I have 2 partition I was thinking to make it become one partition only
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QUOTE(wahdiao @ Mar 30 2015, 09:25 AM)
okay, but how do I format the hdd since I have 2 partition I was thinking to make it become one partition only
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first back up your stuff first before you do anything else.

then use disk management to do it. alternatively at administrative command prompt run diskpart, select disk that you wanna make changes (sel disk x, where x is a number), and issue the command clean.

there are plenty of tutorials if you googled about it smile.gif
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hi all sifu,

this Adata SP900 premium pro, good or not?
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okay I will try it 1st thanks
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hi all sifu,

this Adata SP900 premium pro, good or not?
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it's very rare (like none) to see a user with that ssd. it's better you checked online user comments from other sources about it before purchase, particularly local warranty.
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Mar 29 2015, 01:28 PM)
Warranty they give is 3 years?

How long need to wait after u confirm to ship to you?
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QUOTE(bylkw2 @ Mar 29 2015, 01:54 PM)
Hi everyone here, i need some suggestions, noobie here...
Im using lenovo y510p, im looking forward to add 1 ssd into my laptop.
It now has 1tb hdd on the board and a m.2(ngff) slot,
1) If i buy a normal 2.5" ssd to replace the hdd inside, n shift the hdd to my ultrabay (with the purchase of hdd caddy), will the warranty get voided? do i have  to reformat my windows if i were to use the ssd as my windows boot up drive?
2) if i buy a m.2(ngff) ssd n slot it in, could it be the windows boot up drive or only act as a storage drive?

Budget is kinda limited, i saw m.2(ngff) ssd is so expensive, it is like 3x the price of normal 2.5' ssd sad.gif

*extra question, when i just starting up my windows 8.1 laptop (or sometimes randomly), the disk usage get 100% for like 5-10minutes, why is it like this? is it that i torrent too much n hurt the hdd? sad.gif
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Never use torrent on SSD. Read/Write not worth to spend on that usage. Use HDD for torrenting.

If low on budget, follow my style. Buy 2.5" SSD and put inside and swap the 1TB to caddy. As for warranty you have to refer back to Lenovo. Not sure they honor the warranty or not if you DIY.

PS. I'm a Lenovo Z400T user, there are void warranty sticker on it if you DIY. So you have to ask Lenovo service center.

QUOTE(andykok @ Mar 29 2015, 10:03 PM)
is it adding a memory ,same model as u, my phone will become more smooth / fast?

btw,i am using s3 too.
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Smartphone won't go faster or smooth by adding better SDCard.

ROM and the eMMc are main culprit.

QUOTE(wahdiao @ Mar 30 2015, 08:03 AM)
Hi I just bought an ssd and clone with my hdd, now I want to use the hdd as second drive in optical drive bay do I need to format the hdd that with windows inside?
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Do Clean installation are recommended.

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QUOTE(christina1 @ Mar 30 2015, 07:15 AM)
how many SSD you are having?
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After using SSD on my workstation and my personal laptop as well, last night open back my couple years ago laptop running HDD feel so like snail. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(NightFelix @ Mar 30 2015, 02:52 PM)
After using SSD on my workstation and my personal laptop as well, last night open back my couple years ago laptop running HDD feel so like snail. sweat.gif
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lol! we can see how patient we were in those days, compared to now, after having ssds biggrin.gif

kingston, despite their previous fiasco of 'bait and switch', has released in the market their pci-e 2.0 x4 m.2 ssd, hyperx predator, featuring marvell's controller and toshiba toggle nand (i don't think they will switch this combo. this is a premium stuff after all)

if you cannot find xp941, this one is a good option. it's said the overheating issues of its controller is not a serious concern even without heat sink. it's much better than xp941.
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QUOTE(horns @ Mar 30 2015, 09:23 AM)
1) for warranty claims, just put stock parts back in their original places. honestly when i modify my laptops, i keep stock parts untouched. i then buy new parts (ssd, hdd, ram, wifi card, etc.) and replace them.

2) usually it can be a boot drive, but you should wait for a more definitive answer from other y510p owners.

if you still used the stock os with stock bloatwares, that might be the case. normally bloatwares will add services in the background and they might add more reads/writes to hdd. also know that even a plain, non-optimized os can cause 100% usage of hdd. you should do some system optimizations, and throw away bloatwares that you don't use. the better way is to do a fresh os install and build your system up from scratch.
m5pro, m5m.
yes, it's better to avoid potential issues like mixing up boot orders of your computer.
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Is there any software to check hard disk health status.I mean beside software like Seagate Tools for Windows.
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Is there any software to check hard disk health status.I mean beside software like Seagate Tools for Windows.
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normally it's better to use the software published by manufacturers. to get a general idea of health status, you can try crystal disk info, or hdd guardian. both are based on smart information.
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Is there any software to check hard disk health status.I mean beside software like Seagate Tools for Windows.
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I use Speecy by Piriform (same company as CCleaner)
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Anybody knows where can i claim warranty for Kingston V300? Seller didnt provide the receipt.

last time CONVERGENT DISTRIBUTION located at 4th floor if im not mistaken but moved out already.

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QUOTE(ejoeflizzow @ Mar 31 2015, 05:11 PM)
Anybody knows where can i claim warranty for Kingston V300? Seller didnt provide the receipt.

last time CONVERGENT DISTRIBUTION located at 4th floor if im not mistaken but moved out already.
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maybe call the number in the listing at kingston and ask about it? http://www.kingston.com/en/company/warranty

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QUOTE(ejoeflizzow @ Mar 31 2015, 05:11 PM)
Anybody knows where can i claim warranty for Kingston V300? Seller didnt provide the receipt.

last time CONVERGENT DISTRIBUTION located at 4th floor if im not mistaken but moved out already.
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By right should be same as RAM,
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/505086
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hai guys just bought liteon ssd 128gb and installed it in my acer 4820tg
already set ahci mode in bios and trim enabled ..
so the following pic normal ka speed?


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hai guys just bought liteon ssd 128gb and installed it in my acer 4820tg
already set ahci mode in bios and trim enabled ..
so the following pic normal ka speed?
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Normal, your notebook is old and on SATA2 IINM (similar to my notebook, only SATA2).

One of the most significant characteristic of SATA2 you can notice is the number won't breach 300.
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QUOTE(Human10 @ Apr 3 2015, 12:41 AM)
Normal, your notebook is old and on SATA2 IINM (similar to my notebook, only SATA2).

One of the most significant characteristic of SATA2 you can notice is the number won't breach 300.
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Thanks for the insight..

just want to make sure the result of the benchmark is same level to other laptop that on sata2 .. biggrin.gif

i saw on youtube about ssd write caching indexing thingy ...those thing really necessary ahh??


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after kingston hyperx predator, intel 750 is coming. pcie 3.0 x4 nvme!

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9090/intel-s...-for-the-client
http://techreport.com/review/28050/intel-7...-drive-reviewed
http://www.thessdreview.com/our-reviews/in...e-the-industry/

QUOTE(Exeunt @ Apr 2 2015, 11:46 PM)
Thanks for the insight..

just want to make sure the result of the benchmark is same level to other laptop that on sata2 ..  biggrin.gif

i saw on youtube about ssd write caching indexing thingy ...those thing really necessary ahh??
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write caching can be enabled because it helps to boost performance. for client systems, it's good to have it. for a safer side, do not enable the feature that turn off write cache flushing. disabling indexing reduces writes to ssd. it's good too.

it's better you check the ssd optimizations at the first post.
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kingston hyperX 3k 120gb reliable or not?
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QUOTE(Exeunt @ Apr 2 2015, 11:31 PM)
hai guys just bought liteon ssd 128gb and installed it in my acer 4820tg
already set ahci mode in bios and trim enabled ..
so the following pic normal ka speed?
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How was your booting up time? biggrin.gif
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hi all sifu,

recently i just bought kingston hyperX 3k 120gb.

here is my crystal disk mark.. mine is SATA 2 only.

is it correct speed? but of course not as advertised speed due to SATA 2...

BTW, my Kingston SSD toolbox cant detect my SSD.. why?

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QUOTE(subrok007 @ Apr 3 2015, 09:01 PM)
hi all sifu,

recently i just bought kingston hyperX 3k 120gb.

here is my crystal disk mark.. mine is SATA 2 only.

is it correct speed? but of course not as advertised speed due to SATA 2...

BTW, my Kingston SSD toolbox cant detect my SSD.. why?

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uh? it's more like sata1 to me. what's your mobo?
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uh? it's more like sata1 to me. what's your mobo?
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Asus P5N-D, its LGA 775 platform. Btw, my bios cant set AHCI mode. only enable SMART. cry.gif

any tweak?
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QUOTE(subrok007 @ Apr 4 2015, 09:14 AM)
Asus P5N-D, its LGA 775 platform. Btw, my bios cant set AHCI mode. only enable SMART.  cry.gif

any tweak?
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checked the specs of your mobo, now it makes sense that the ssd can only run at sata1 speed max even if it's connected to sata2 ports. the bottleneck is from the mobo.

you can try sata3 addin card, but i am not sure if it works well for your system, especially when you put ssd as boot drive.
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QUOTE(horns @ Apr 4 2015, 10:31 AM)
checked the specs of your mobo, now it makes sense that the ssd can only run at sata1 speed max even if it's connected to sata2 ports. the bottleneck is from the mobo.

you can try sata3 addin card, but i am not sure if it works well for your system, especially when you put ssd as boot drive.
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but my mobo is SATA 2... Arent the speed shall SATA 2 speed instead of SATA 1 speed.. what cause that drag the speed?
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QUOTE(subrok007 @ Apr 4 2015, 03:16 PM)
but my mobo is SATA 2... Arent the speed shall SATA 2 speed instead of SATA 1 speed.. what cause that drag the speed?
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QUOTE(NightFelix @ Apr 4 2015, 04:04 PM)
Mobo firmware? hmm.gif
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updated the latest.. no more published from Asus after that.
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QUOTE(subrok007 @ Apr 4 2015, 04:06 PM)
updated the latest.. no more published from Asus after that.
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You're probably running SATA 2 with IDE mode? It will definitely make a huge difference in terms of speed. You need to enable AHCI. Time for a new motherboard?
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QUOTE(subrok007 @ Apr 4 2015, 03:16 PM)
but my mobo is SATA 2... Arent the speed shall SATA 2 speed instead of SATA 1 speed.. what cause that drag the speed?
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sorry i should have stated clearly, yeah my thought was what clawhammer said. running sata2 in ide mode. with ahci you should get about double the speed, but there is no ahci option in the mobo.

i spent some time to google the similar issue. while most of them are bad news, this might be a good one. there were people saying that there were success running ssds at sata2 speed. the trick is using msahci driver, by uninstalling nvidia chipset/stoage controller driver. http://www.overclock.net/t/828683/looking-...-750i-sli-board

try that out and see if it helps.

edit: here is another one. http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows...c4-947ad1b47243

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QUOTE(horns @ Apr 4 2015, 06:11 PM)
sorry i should have stated clearly, yeah my thought was what clawhammer said. running sata2 in ide mode. with ahci you should get about double the speed, but there is no ahci option in the mobo.

i spent some time to google the similar issue. while most of them are bad news, this might be a good one. there were people saying that there were success running ssds at sata2 speed. the trick is using msahci driver, by uninstalling nvidia chipset/stoage controller driver. http://www.overclock.net/t/828683/looking-...-750i-sli-board

try that out and see if it helps.

edit: here is another one. http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows...c4-947ad1b47243
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Thanks for the great info.

Result: after following this website http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows...c4-947ad1b47243 my SSD speed drop drastically especially READ. But good thing is my Kingston SSD Toolbox can detect my SSD status. I decided to change back to nforce driver.

hmm.gif is time for me to change new platform. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(subrok007 @ Apr 5 2015, 10:53 AM)
Thanks for the great info.

Result: after following this website  http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows...c4-947ad1b47243 my SSD speed drop drastically especially READ. But good thing is my Kingston SSD Toolbox can detect my SSD status. I decided to change back to nforce driver.

hmm.gif is time for me to change new platform.  thumbup.gif
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oh worst haha

yes, it's good to change the platform for much better performance. at least for main computers, imo it's better to do it every 5 years to take up newer technologies and better compatibilities.
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well the booting time improve a lot ...

this is the benchmark after i follow the ssd optimization and update my driver using driver pack solution..



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well the booting time improve a lot ...

this is the benchmark after i follow the ssd optimization and update my driver using driver pack solution..
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it's running at good speed. yeah even if it's a sata2, the key thing about replacing hdd with ssd in this case is about the very much improved access time in ssd.
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Hi,

i would like to get some opinion for SSD selection.
Between these 3 models, which one would you recommend?

1. Lite-on S900 128GB (read: 530 MB/s; write 290 MB/s)
2. Kingston SSDNOW V300 120GB (read: 450 MB/s; write: 450 MB/s)
3. ADATA Premier Pro SP900 128GB (read: 550 MB/s; write: 530 MB/s)

Lite-on is the newest (2015) compare to the other 2. Adata SP900 having good read and write to but quite old model (2013) i think.
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QUOTE(horns @ Mar 29 2015, 12:37 PM)
Usually the box or ssd label have firmware version info. You can also use crystal diskinfo to get the firmware version.

You can download new firmware from goplextor.com. The update procedure is simple, and is normally non-destructive. For safety's sake, just do a data backup first. Create a usb bootable with the iso via rufus/pendrivelinux tool and use it to boot and apply the update.

The need to update the firmware depends on issues on the current firmware. it's optional if your drive works well.
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Hi, I noticed that there are two versions of the firmware, one is in .ISO format which I presume would need to create a bootable USB drive like you mentioned above. How about the other in .exe format? I can just copy it to the desktop, click it and let it run right?

My SSD is Plextor M6S, currently still running at stock firmware, I think it's not the latest 1.07.
http://www.goplextor.com/asia/index.php/in...egory&catid=225
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QUOTE(kyo_shilang @ Apr 6 2015, 10:27 AM)
Hi,

i would like to get some opinion for SSD selection.
Between these 3 models, which one would you recommend?

1. Lite-on S900 128GB (read: 530 MB/s; write 290 MB/s)
2. Kingston SSDNOW V300 120GB (read: 450 MB/s; write: 450 MB/s)
3. ADATA Premier Pro SP900 128GB (read: 550 MB/s; write: 530 MB/s)

Lite-on is the newest (2015) compare to the other 2. Adata SP900 having good read and write to but quite old model (2013) i think.
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Hands down the Liteon S900.
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QUOTE(rav3n82 @ Apr 6 2015, 10:47 AM)
Hands down the Liteon S900.
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But it come with just one year warranty. is it true?
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QUOTE(kyo_shilang @ Apr 6 2015, 10:51 AM)
But it come with just one year warranty. is it true?
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I would stay away from Kingston V300 after you reading this:
An Update to Kingston SSDNow V300: A Switch to Slower Micron NAND

And I bought the Liteon 900S 256GB from him ETechPC with 3years warranty.
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QUOTE(kyo_shilang @ Apr 6 2015, 10:27 AM)
Hi,

i would like to get some opinion for SSD selection.
Between these 3 models, which one would you recommend?

1. Lite-on S900 128GB (read: 530 MB/s; write 290 MB/s)
2. Kingston SSDNOW V300 120GB (read: 450 MB/s; write: 450 MB/s)
3. ADATA Premier Pro SP900 128GB (read: 550 MB/s; write: 530 MB/s)

Lite-on is the newest (2015) compare to the other 2. Adata SP900 having good read and write to but quite old model (2013) i think.
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go for liteon s900. if possible, get 256gb. it has a 3-year warranty.

QUOTE(rav3n82 @ Apr 6 2015, 10:45 AM)
Hi, I noticed that there are two versions of the firmware, one is in .ISO format which I presume would need to create a bootable USB drive like you mentioned above. How about the other in .exe format? I can just copy it to the desktop, click it and let it run right?

My SSD is Plextor M6S, currently still running at stock firmware, I think it's not the latest 1.07.
http://www.goplextor.com/asia/index.php/in...egory&catid=225
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imo basically they are the same, however i never tried the windows executable version before (i have older models, and they were all in iso formats). for firmware updates, i still think it's safer to use bootable usb stick instead of windows executable.

edit: one more thing, although it has stated that they are non-destructive, it's a good practice to back your full data up first. it maybe seem paranoid, and although i haven't had any bad experience with brands like plextor, crucial and samsung in this regard, it's better safe than sorry.

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QUOTE(kyo_shilang @ Apr 6 2015, 11:27 AM)
Hi,

i would like to get some opinion for SSD selection.
Between these 3 models, which one would you recommend?

1. Lite-on S900 128GB (read: 530 MB/s; write 290 MB/s)
2. Kingston SSDNOW V300 120GB (read: 450 MB/s; write: 450 MB/s)
3. ADATA Premier Pro SP900 128GB (read: 550 MB/s; write: 530 MB/s)

Lite-on is the newest (2015) compare to the other 2. Adata SP900 having good read and write to but quite old model (2013) i think.
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i recommend you buy liteon because i bought one for myself and i am happy with the performance also i bought it from etech pc and 3 years warranty with it

do update your driver and follow the ssd optimization guide...

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QUOTE(rav3n82 @ Apr 6 2015, 10:45 AM)
Hi, I noticed that there are two versions of the firmware, one is in .ISO format which I presume would need to create a bootable USB drive like you mentioned above. How about the other in .exe format? I can just copy it to the desktop, click it and let it run right?

My SSD is Plextor M6S, currently still running at stock firmware, I think it's not the latest 1.07.
http://www.goplextor.com/asia/index.php/in...egory&catid=225
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get the plextool v1.1.7 for fw update to v1.08 (current latest)
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QUOTE(horns @ Apr 6 2015, 11:21 AM)
imo basically they are the same, however i never tried the windows executable version before (i have older models, and they were all in iso formats). for firmware updates, i still think it's safer to use bootable usb stick instead of windows executable.

edit: one more thing, although it has stated that they are non-destructive, it's a good practice to back your full data up first. it maybe seem paranoid, and although i haven't had any bad experience with brands like plextor, crucial and samsung in this regard, it's better safe than sorry.
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get the plextool v1.1.7 for fw update to v1.08 (current latest)
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QUOTE(Exeunt @ Apr 6 2015, 03:40 PM)
i recommend you buy liteon because i bought one for myself and i am happy with the performance also i bought it from etech pc and 3 years warranty with it

do update your driver and follow the ssd optimization guide...
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Liteon SSD got no driver right isnt?
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Liteon SSD got no driver right isnt?
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what i meant was update your pc or laptop driver .. biggrin.gif
i see speed increment in ssd performance through benchmark after i updated all driver in acer 4820tg ... well small increment la ..see my previous post biggrin.gif
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Finally bought the Lite-on S900 256GB SSD that was highly recommended here from IPmart.com.
RM362.25 + RM22.34 (GST) + RM10 (Delivery) = RM394.59

Speed tested on SATA2 motherboard.

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Finally bought the Lite-on S900 256GB SSD that was highly recommended here from IPmart.com.
RM362.25 + RM22.34 (GST) + RM10 (Delivery) = RM394.59

Speed tested on SATA2 motherboard.
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i got my Liteon S900 256gb without GST. hehehe..
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i got my Liteon S900 256gb without GST. hehehe..
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which ssd is the best with budget below rm300? storage doesnt matter, speed is most important. Thanks.
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Is it possible to make/use a ssd as an external?
If so, where can I get the nessasary accessories (cables,etc)?
Planning to make a samsung evo 850 as an external.

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Hey guys .smile.gif

Is it possible to make/use a ssd as an external?
If so, where can I get the nessasary accessories (cables,etc)?
Planning to make a samsung evo 850 as an external.
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yeah i'm using some, housed inside common usb-based hdd enclosures that can be found in the market. it's not running at full speed of course but i can live with that. (around 190MB/s only)

in near future we will have better stuff like usb 3.1. the speed should be much better. i hope hehe

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QUOTE(horns @ Apr 10 2015, 10:09 PM)
yeah i'm using some, housed inside common usb-based hdd enclosures that can be found in the market. it's not running at full speed of course but i can live with that. (around 190MB/s only)

in near future we will have better stuff like usb 3.1. the speed should be much better. i hope hehe
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190Mb/s is still better tongue.gif
anyway, How about the cabling? Can use cable that is provided with the hdd enclosures?
How about power source? They use from usb also eh?(cause i read ssd need external power source or maybe this is a tottally different thing?)

Thanks!
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QUOTE(Zdi-Tyen @ Apr 10 2015, 10:56 PM)
190Mb/s is still better  tongue.gif

anyway, How about the cabling? Can use cable that is provided with the hdd enclosures?
How about power source? They use from usb also eh?(cause i read ssd need external power source or maybe this is a tottally different thing?)

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i just use the common hdd enclosure, with the bundled cable that comes with it. there is no need for power source.

maybe there are better enclosures for ssd i don't know lol
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QUOTE(horns @ Apr 10 2015, 11:02 PM)
i just use the common hdd enclosure, with the bundled cable that comes with it. there is no need for power source.

maybe there are better enclosures for ssd i don't know lol
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QUOTE(Zdi-Tyen @ Apr 10 2015, 11:12 PM)
Ok! this helps alot .
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currently iam using Intel 520 120g ssd, want to upgrade to a bigger capacity, like 500gb. So what is your opinion between Samsung 850 evo & 850 pro ? Speed wise, evo almost par with pro but pro is much more expensive! How about the reliability issue? Since evo is using TLC which infamous for its speed drops bug.
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QUOTE(swgiant @ Apr 11 2015, 04:17 AM)
currently iam using Intel 520 120g ssd, want to upgrade to a bigger capacity, like 500gb. So what is your opinion between Samsung 850 evo & 850 pro ? Speed wise, evo almost par with pro but pro is much more expensive! How about the reliability issue? Since evo is using TLC which infamous for its speed drops bug.
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between the two, i suggest you go for 850 pro. with that kind of money it's best to go for at least mlc nand chip. based on reviews/user comments on the internet, correction about the samsung evo speed drop thing: it only happens to 840 evo.

generally speaking, they're reliable. however for new drives, it's hard to tell the actual reliability part of the drive, because there are no prior records supporting this.

a word of caution: DO NOT USE SAMSUNG MAGICIAN TO UPDATE SSD FIRMWARE! or rather, if there is a firmware iso files for you to create bootable dvd/usb, use that instead.

about that recent incident of 850 pro 'death' (actually it's reversible with a firmware that is available in the wild), it was caused by the convenience of samsung magician's firmware auto update feature. if you used the conventional way (bootable usb/dvd) to do the update, everything is fine. for now that new firmware was taken down after the incident.

with all that cleared, now what's your usage? if it's for common usage or gaming only, i think you should go for mainstream drives instead. normally you don't feel significant differences between mainstream and performance sata ssds. (the differences are there, but you might need more than common usage to feel it)
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QUOTE(swgiant @ Apr 11 2015, 04:17 AM)
currently iam using Intel 520 120g ssd, want to upgrade to a bigger capacity, like 500gb. So what is your opinion between Samsung 850 evo & 850 pro ? Speed wise, evo almost par with pro but pro is much more expensive! How about the reliability issue? Since evo is using TLC which infamous for its speed drops bug.
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why not Intel 750? laugh.gif


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why not Intel 750? laugh.gif

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nice right? biggrin.gif i wish we have such ports built-in and compatible hdd bays (look at that size of the 2.5" version) in our laptops lol!

if you have a desktop computer, imo it's good to have that biggrin.gif



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wow wow wow, my motherboard got empty slot for PCIe 2.0 x4. Its time for $ saving now!

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OMG! it needs pcie 3.0 x4. My wild guess for 400G maybe sell at RM1700!
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QUOTE(swgiant @ Apr 11 2015, 04:11 PM)
OMG! it needs pcie 3.0 x4. My wild guess for 400G maybe sell at RM1700!
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Welll, it gonna it in the bandwidth for your GPU, so I hope you don't mind it at first, LOL...
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QUOTE(Human10 @ Apr 11 2015, 08:19 PM)
Welll, it gonna it in the bandwidth for your GPU, so I hope you don't mind it at first, LOL...
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the better system is x99. for z97 you need to be a bit picky on mobo. i will switch mobo later to use this and keep my sli lol
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QUOTE(horns @ Apr 11 2015, 11:09 PM)
the better system is x99. for z97 you need to be a bit picky on mobo. i will switch mobo later to use this and keep my sli lol
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Yup, I always find X99 is much superior to Z97 (especially when high end Z97 cost as much as entry X99).

Even the crippled 5820k also have 28 PCIE 3.0 lanes, easily 12 more than the best Z97 can offer, LOL...

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QUOTE(Human10 @ Apr 11 2015, 11:11 PM)
Yup, I always find X99 is much superior to Z97.

Even the crippled 5820k also have 28 PCIE 3.0 lanes, easily 12 more than the best Z97 can offer, LOL...
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yeah smile.gif x99 is actually better because of more pcie lanes. for z97 it's kind of painful because you need to check out their pcie lane distribution.

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Is there any reason for me to choose a Samsung 840 EVO/Pro SSD rather than a Lite-on S900 which is priced 1/2 than the former? After googling for abit, I noticed that people listed the Samsung SSD as one of the best performing SSD out there while I can't really find much review on the S900. I'm thinking of buying a 256gb SSD and while price isn't really an issue, I'll probably go for the S900 if they perform pretty much the same as the Samsung. Any help would be appreciated, thanks. smile.gif
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QUOTE(nemesis94 @ Apr 12 2015, 12:36 AM)
Is there any reason for me to choose a Samsung 840 EVO/Pro SSD rather than a Lite-on S900 which is priced 1/2 than the former? After googling for abit, I noticed that people listed the Samsung SSD as one of the best performing SSD out there while I can't really find much review on the S900. I'm thinking of buying a 256gb SSD and while price isn't really an issue, I'll probably go for the S900 if they perform pretty much the same as the Samsung. Any help would be appreciated, thanks.  smile.gif
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yes, there are some reasons that you need to consider. samsung 840 evo is still suffering from slow read bugs for old data, and samsung 840 pro is expensive (if you can still find one. the latest model is 850 pro, which is also expensive)

if your usage is more about common usage and gaming, most likely mainstream drives like s900 is sufficient for you. the differences between mainstream and performance drives are actually very vague in these types of usage. (meaning you feel no obvious differences)
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QUOTE(horns @ Apr 12 2015, 12:46 AM)
yes, there are some reasons that you need to consider. samsung 840 evo is still suffering from slow read bugs for old data, and samsung 840 pro is expensive (if you can still find one. the latest model is 850 pro, which is also expensive)

if your usage is more about common usage and gaming, most likely mainstream drives like s900 is sufficient for you. the differences between mainstream and performance drives are actually very vague in these types of usage. (meaning you feel no obvious differences)
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I see. So what are the circumstances that will make the Samsung perform better than the Lite-on?
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I see. So what are the circumstances that will make the Samsung perform better than the Lite-on?
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Like synthetic benchmarks. You won't feel the difference on real world.
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I see. So what are the circumstances that will make the Samsung perform better than the Lite-on?
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when you do more than common usage. for instance, using it for storage purposes. with 20% overprovisioning (op, based on my usage as storage. i delete and store gigabytes of accumulative data backups every week), samsung 840 pro can have pretty stable r/w speeds (around 450MB/s).

like i said, the differences might not be very obvious.

edit: TristanX is right, another one is synthetic benchmarks. normal human usually cannot do that lol!

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I see. So what are the circumstances that will make the Samsung perform better than the Lite-on?
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finally. the second fix (hopefully the final one) to cure the slow read bug of old data in 840 evo by samsung is on the way.

further reads:
http://www.techspot.com/news/60362-samsung...ic-refresh.html
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Storage/Samsu...w-Finally-Fixed




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Sifu, I installed my windows on my Intel 530. So far so good.

But recently I can't search any Windows update, nor update my windows security center. Yesterday I was playing Dota 2 (installed in the same ssd) and it just suddenly hang and I power off it and now when I start up my pc. It only goes to Windows repair and end up a black screen with my mouse cursor.

Can I say if ssd causes this and can I rma it only with the ssd and receipt? I lost the box..
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Sifu, I installed my windows on my Intel 530. So far so good.

But recently I can't search any Windows update, nor update my windows security center. Yesterday I was playing Dota 2 (installed in the same ssd) and it just suddenly hang and I power off it and now when I start up my pc. It only goes to Windows repair and end up a black screen with my mouse cursor.

Can I say if ssd causes this and can I rma it only with the ssd and receipt? I lost the box..
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er what made you think it's the issue caused by ssd, and not os- or software- or other hardware-related?

i believe you can do rma with the ssd and receipt only. (not sure because i never do rma before)
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QUOTE(horns @ Apr 15 2015, 05:39 PM)
er what made you think it's the issue caused by ssd, and not os- or software- or other hardware-related?

i believe you can do rma with the ssd and receipt only. (not sure because i never do rma before)
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HI it's just my suspect, I had done clean format just now. The windows seem to be not bootable (my motherboard can detect the sad though) and leave blank black after the windows logo sad.gif

If it's software I don't think I can't boot even after clean format
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QUOTE(Lotus1109 @ Apr 15 2015, 08:31 PM)
HI it's just my suspect, I had done clean format just now. The windows seem to be not bootable (my motherboard can detect the sad though) and leave blank black after the windows logo sad.gif

If it's software I don't think I can't boot even after clean format
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blank black screen? may i know your pc's specs? which windows version is this?

so now the ssd contains only os that was not yet personalized?
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blank black screen? may i know your pc's specs? which windows version is this?

so now the ssd contains only os that was not yet personalized?
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Windows 8.1 Pro student edition Bukan pirate
Intel xeon 1231 v3
Gigabyte h97n WiFi
Gigabyte 7970 gc
8gb ram
650W psu

Yup it only contain the os which I didn't ever boot into it yet..
Black screen is after the windows logo and the loading, after the windows logo is gone. My screen just left nothing.

One thing to note is about my ssd before I format. From what I see before I format, it shows 11x gb of free space where my sad capacity is only 120gb. This is totally impossible because I have my system and games inside...

Very headache now haihs
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QUOTE(Lotus1109 @ Apr 15 2015, 08:46 PM)
Windows 8.1 Pro student edition Bukan pirate
Intel xeon 1231 v3
Gigabyte h97n WiFi
Gigabyte 7970 gc
8gb ram
650W psu

Yup it only contain the os which I didn't ever boot into it yet..
Black screen is after the windows logo and the loading, after the windows logo is gone. My screen just left nothing.

One thing to note is about my ssd before I format. From what I see before I format, it shows 11x gb of free space where my sad capacity is only 120gb. This is totally impossible because I have my system and games inside...

Very headache now haihs
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the os installation is uefi or legacy bios mode? it sounded like uefi issue to me. can you check in the bios if the first boot order is windows boot manager or something else?

if all failed maybe you can try to use commandline diskpart to clean up all partitions and start over.
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QUOTE(horns @ Apr 15 2015, 09:12 PM)
the os installation is uefi or legacy bios mode? it sounded like uefi issue to me. can you check in the bios if the first boot order is windows boot manager or something else?

if all failed maybe you can try to use commandline diskpart to clean up all partitions and start over.
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I am not sure about the os installation but what i found from my motherboard is I ticked "uefi and legacy"
I just used diskpart to clean up and reinstalling Windows again.. Hope it works smile.gif

BTW I found out that Intel ssd has a very good aluminium finish at the front plate. But back plate is like a lot of scratches and imperfect finish. Is it common to all ssd? I know it won't affect the performance but it looks ugly imo
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QUOTE(Lotus1109 @ Apr 15 2015, 10:54 PM)
I am not sure about the os installation but what i found from my motherboard is I ticked "uefi and legacy"
I just used diskpart to clean up and reinstalling Windows again..  Hope it works smile.gif

BTW I found out that Intel ssd has a very good aluminium finish  at the front plate. But back plate is like a lot of scratches and imperfect finish. Is it common to all ssd? I know it won't affect the performance but it looks ugly imo
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if you used diskpart, the system partitions with previous uefi settings will be removed so you should be good. normally i do diskpart clean to get rid of everything in the os drive before a fresh install, it's the least problematic (well, like none)

ah it's just cosmetic haha some of mine are scratched also. (different brands) as long as the internals are intact i am all good biggrin.gif
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hello guys, i'm new to this thread and interested to get my first SSD wave.gif

so i have two SSD in my sight, the Kingston HyperX Fury and Liteon 900S

i was looking at this seller's thread here: sale

it seems the price for 240GB for both of them doesn't differ much (only RM10)

which is better in your opinion sifus? i'm going to purchase one soon notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Apr 16 2015, 05:19 PM)
hello guys, i'm new to this thread and interested to get my first SSD wave.gif

so i have two SSD in my sight, the Kingston HyperX Fury and Liteon 900S

i was looking at this seller's thread here: sale

it seems the price for 240GB for both of them doesn't differ much (only RM10)

which is better in your opinion sifus? i'm going to purchase one soon  notworthy.gif
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nice. it seemed the price is still pre-gst. maybe you should check with the seller first.

these two should do well in general use/gaming. i will go for liteon s900 mainly because it has faster read speed, higher iops, and its controller can handle incompressible data better, and it's MYR 10.00 cheaper hehe

i am not sure why kingston still use the old sandforce-2281 controller in hyperx fury.

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this happened to crucial before, now it's here again. this time it's mx100.

http://forum.crucial.com/t5/Crucial-SSDs/M...mes/td-p/158815
http://forum.crucial.com/t5/Crucial-SSDs/F...100/td-p/165974

whenever a ssd is popular it tends to have more issues (maybe because they are exposed to far more variety of systems and usage)
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I'm new to SSD and first time buying one, should I go for Liteon 900s 256gb or Samsung 850 evo 250gb, 850 has many good reviews all over the net like Amazon, while 900s seems very popular here plus it's cheaper rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(Mochan @ Apr 20 2015, 08:29 PM)
I'm new to SSD and first time buying one, should I go for Liteon 900s 256gb or Samsung 850 evo 250gb, 850 has many good reviews all over the net like Amazon, while 900s seems very popular here plus it's cheaper  rclxub.gif
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if you have money go for samsung 850 evo..bcoz i own 2 of samsund drive..
but both of them are 840 PRO..no issues until now rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(Mochan @ Apr 20 2015, 08:29 PM)
I'm new to SSD and first time buying one, should I go for Liteon 900s 256gb or Samsung 850 evo 250gb, 850 has many good reviews all over the net like Amazon, while 900s seems very popular here plus it's cheaper  rclxub.gif
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liteon s900 has a very good price-performance ratio. for general use/gaming, it's good enough.

since 2 years ago, most sata-based ssds have reached the limit of sata bandwidth. that means almost all mainstream ssds have similar speeds. compared to samsung 850 evo, liteon s900 is considered being 'slower' on paper. however for common usage, i bet you will never feel the differences between the two. the same applies to mainstream vs. performance ssds like 840 pro within the scope of common usage.

for sata drives, i suggest you go for mainstream with higher capacity instead.

edit: liteon s900 uses mlc synchronous nand from toshiba. when you have to choose between mlc and tlc, get mlc. when you have to choose between synchronous and asynchronous nand, get synchronous. nand flash is the most expensive component in a ssd. you should get the highest physical quality nand possible with the same amount of money.

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Guys, I'm planning to buy a 256 gb ssd. Which is the cheapest but still considered good?
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Guys, I'm planning to buy a 256 gb ssd. Which is the cheapest but still considered good?
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liteon s900 256gb. it's the only decent one that is below MYR 400.00 for 240gb range currently.

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QUOTE(Ronin_Amin @ Apr 22 2015, 01:40 AM)
Guys, I'm planning to buy a 256 gb ssd. Which is the cheapest but still considered good?
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Liteon S900 256GB, price/performance ratio are best bang for bucks. tongue.gif
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update: samsung magician 4.6 is out, but you cannot get it now for some reasons :/

Magician version 4.6 features a number of improvements over version 4.5:
- New model support : 850 EVO mSATA, 850 EVO M.2
- Advanced Performance Optimization feature for 840 EVO; New firmware is required to use Advanced Performance Optimization
- Update Magician GUI and Help file

edit: it's up biggrin.gif applied the firmware update (only for sata version, not msata version), then the advanced performance feature will appear. when you run the advanced performance feature, it's best to leave the machine alone. everything will become slow during the optimization process.

it will take some time to complete.

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QUOTE(horns @ Apr 23 2015, 03:21 PM)
update: samsung magician 4.6 is out, but you cannot get it now for some reasons :/

Magician version 4.6 features a number of improvements over version 4.5:
- New model support : 850 EVO mSATA, 850 EVO M.2
- Advanced Performance Optimization feature for 840 EVO; New firmware is required to use Advanced Performance Optimization
- Update Magician GUI and Help file

edit: it's up biggrin.gif applied the firmware update (only for sata version, not msata version), then the advanced performance feature will appear. when you run the advanced performance feature, it's best to leave the machine alone. everything will become slow during the optimization process.

it will take some time to complete.
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thanks bro..
damn samsung..
"We apologize for your inconvenience
Please try again within 24 hours"
btw can you upload it to other hosting?

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QUOTE(air_pull91 @ Apr 24 2015, 01:02 AM)
thanks bro..
damn samsung..
"We apologize for your inconvenience
Please try again within 24 hours"
btw can you upload it to other hosting?
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here is the mirror hosted by techspot. use direct download, as the external mirror is the original site from samsung.

http://www.techspot.com/downloads/5345-sam...d-magician.html

alternatively:
http://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/sa...d_magician.html
https://mega.co.nz/#!iAQzESgD!Aps6u...Rt738PytbdUl7Fs

file checksums, if you're worried about people putting something else inside the zip file:
File: Samsung_Magician_Setup_v46.zip
Size: 17,295,270 bytes
CRC-32: 60367088
MD4: 7e6d851762004fb9c56b165174af2870
MD5: 9e280367506209149595e16190bd4eb9
SHA-1: 5ca33a4835717a973b2cb4640cf531841ec2d9d0

sha1sum.exe can be downloaded at ftp://ftp.gnupg.org/gcrypt/binary/sha1sum.exe


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QUOTE(horns @ Apr 24 2015, 08:53 AM)
here is the mirror hosted by techspot. use direct download, as the external mirror is the original site from samsung.

http://www.techspot.com/downloads/5345-sam...d-magician.html

alternatively:
http://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/sa...d_magician.html
https://mega.co.nz/#!iAQzESgD!Aps6u...Rt738PytbdUl7Fs

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thanks bro..
but i dunno whats the different..hahaha
btw i got 2 of samsung 840 PRO drive..
the weird thing is that the more i use the est lifetime is longer than the one i dont really use based on SSDLife PRO v2.5.82

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QUOTE(air_pull91 @ Apr 24 2015, 08:34 PM)
thanks bro..
but i dunno whats the different..hahaha
btw i got 2 of samsung 840 PRO drive..
the weird thing is that the more i use the est time is longer than the one i dont really use based on SSDLife PRO v2.5.82
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to unaffected models, samsung magician 4.6 is just software version update, nothing important. to 840 evo, there is a new firmware update for sata version (not msata version), and the advanced performance tab.

wow that's really weird. i have no experience with ssdlife pro, i'm not sure what's wrong.

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QUOTE(horns @ Apr 24 2015, 10:27 PM)
to unaffected models, samsung magician 4.6 is just software version update, nothing important. to 840 evo, there is a new firmware update for sata version (not msata version), and the advanced performance tab.

wow that's really weird. i have no experience with ssdlife pro, i'm not sure what's wrong.
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do let me know if you want..
LOL
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do let me know if you want..
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haha thanks

i normally use tools like crystal diskinfo or hdd guardian for reference. it's easier to find comparable results online.

to me i just use the ssd as usual, with some system optimizations. at the rate based on these smart information, it will outlast my system easily.

edit: ho ho ho 128gb (8x 16gb) quad channel ddr4 was announced by g.skill!

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Is there any different between the Liteon L9S and the S900 model? I kinda confuse between the two.
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Is there any different between the Liteon L9S and the S900 model? I kinda confuse between the two.
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they are different imo but still under the family of L9S. i suspect the L9S as advertised at liteonit.com is for oem (model number: LCS-256L9S), while S900 is for retail (model number: SCS-256L9S)

S900 is slightly faster. (comparisons: L9S vs. S900)
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QUOTE(horns @ Apr 25 2015, 03:03 PM)
they are different imo but still under the family of L9S. i suspect the L9S as advertised at liteonit.com is for oem (model number: LCS-256L9S), while S900 is for retail (model number: SCS-256L9S)

S900 is slightly faster. (comparisons: L9S vs. S900)
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Thnx for the reply ☺ , i was searching the s900 model in the garage sales but couldn't find any , there are a few sellers selling the L9S . Guess i will go L9S model 😌
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QUOTE(alfiejr @ Apr 25 2015, 03:19 PM)
Thnx for the reply ☺ , i was searching the s900 model in the garage sales but couldn't find any , there are a few sellers selling the L9S . Guess i will go L9S model 😌
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who still need 1TB SSD I SELLING https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=3522845&hl=

i looking sell fast urgent need money
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QUOTE(alfiejr @ Apr 25 2015, 03:19 PM)
Thnx for the reply ☺ , i was searching the s900 model in the garage sales but couldn't find any , there are a few sellers selling the L9S . Guess i will go L9S model 😌
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you need to dig deeper. as NightFelix pointed out, normally the sellers in garage sales do have it smile.gif

QUOTE(pakji @ Apr 25 2015, 04:59 PM)
who still need 1TB SSD I SELLING https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=3522845&hl=

i looking sell fast urgent need money
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why do you wanna sell them? like many ssds that have bad incidents, although imperfect, they are still good drives.
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QUOTE(horns @ Apr 25 2015, 08:49 PM)
you need to dig deeper. as NightFelix pointed out, normally the sellers in garage sales do have it smile.gif
why do you wanna sell them? like many ssds that have bad incidents, although imperfect, they are still good drives.
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why i want sell because i wanted get M.2 SSD hehe
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QUOTE(pakji @ Apr 25 2015, 10:12 PM)
why i want sell because i wanted get M.2 SSD hehe
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oh. ok then smile.gif



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oh. ok then smile.gif
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u want buy SSD 1TB ???
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no sir thanks for asking smile.gif  i am aiming for m.2 ssd also. for sata ssds, i still have some spares hehe
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ohh its ok i waiting someone buy ssd

i need money
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ohh its ok i waiting someone buy ssd

i need money
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good luck on your sale. if i were you i just keep them for own use. the new firmware updade and advanced performance mode in magician 4.6 is most likely the right remedy for the short comings of 840 evo.
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Haha. Gonna testing soon. Hehe. Its quite a long while i last open the ssd software already. laugh.gif sweat.gif
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i wonder when we can have this kind of warranty support?

http://ocz.com/shieldplus

i forgot ocz vertex 4 has a 5-year warranty.
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QUOTE(horns @ Mar 9 2015, 02:33 PM)
yes. i will do a secure erase to it when i am free these days. it's been quite some times i am running the machine 24/7 hehehe

my ocz vertex 3 is also still alive and kicking biggrin.gif

ssd optimizations, ram-based enhancements, and using hdd as downloads an data storage can make sure your ssd have a very long life.
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thumbup.gif thumbup.gif Yeah, I agree with you, mine SSD near 3 years old, just format once because migrate from win 7 lanun to ori win 8.1 pro use till today smooth like butter. biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(Harold2009 @ Apr 28 2015, 12:04 AM)
thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif Yeah, I agree with you, mine SSD near 3 years old, just format once because migrate from win 7 lanun to ori win 8.1 pro use till today smooth like butter.  biggrin.gif

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that corsair force 3 is a 60gb version? as boot drive it will last for some time even if it's small hehe


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that corsair force 3 is a 60gb version? as boot drive it will last for some time even if it's small hehe
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Buang page files (no prob for me cos 16 GB RAM) & hibernate. brows.gif brows.gif

Before format HDD and install windows, first go to BIOS set AHCI mode, then,
Booting and partitioning of MBR for Windows 7/ 8.1:
1. Boot from the Windows 7 DVD/USB
2. After booting you see the Install Windows 7/ 8.1 screen, press Shift + F10 to open a command prompt.
3. At the command prompt, Type diskpart, press Enter
4. Type lis dis, press Enter
5. Type sel dis X (where X is the number your drive shows up as), press Enter
6. Type cle, press Enter
7. Type convert mbr, press Enter (do this step if you previously used the GPT guide)
8. Type cre par pri align=4096 (1024 is default), press Enter
Note: If you are using multiple drives in RAID 0 use 1024 for the alignment instead of 4096 for best performance.
9. Type for quick fs=ntfs, press Enter
10. Type act, press Enter
11. Type exi, press Enter
12. Close the Command Window, and click the Install button.
13. Proceed to install Windows 7/ 8.1 and perform a normal installation using the "Custom (advanced)" type of installation. Do not format it the partitions again during the installation.
After installing windows:
- Type powercfg -h off and press enter to delete it or type powercfg -h -size 50 and press enter to shrink it
- Turn off page files, then restart windows
- Install mobo drivers
- Install newest SATA and chipset drivers
- Run windows updates
- Restart PC when required

Change power option
1. Open the Start Menu, in the search line, type Power Options and press Enter
2. Select the High performance power plan
3. Click "change plan settings"
4. Click "change advanced power settings"
5. Expand the Hard disk option and change setting to "never"
6. Expand the Sleep option and change setting to "never"
7. Click OK

Check to see if the TRIM command is being issued
1. Open the Start Menu, type CMD
2. Right click the icon and Run as Administrator
3. Type fsutil behavior query disabledeletenotify
DisableDeleteNotify = 1 (Windows TRIM commands are disabled)
DisableDeleteNotify = 0 (Windows TRIM commands are enabled)

Disable Prefetch and Superfetch
1. Open the Start Menu, type Services.msc, press Enter
2. Scroll down until you see the "SuperFetch" entry
3. Double-click on it, and choose "Disabled" from the list

Rest research by your self. wink.gif



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Hi Guy,

I wanted to get recommendation on portable SSD ? Any brand or model to consider ?

Just normal day to day workload (Use as main drive to store data & work between workstation/laptop), a value for money option. (Cost/GB)

Thanks
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QUOTE(Godek @ Apr 28 2015, 12:38 AM)
Hi Guy,

I wanted to get recommendation on portable SSD ? Any brand or model to consider ?

Just normal day to day workload (Use as main drive to store data & work between workstation/laptop), a value for money option. (Cost/GB)

Thanks
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Grab a cheap SSD and put it into a 2.5inch hdd enclosure? or SATA to USB 3 adapter, im using one with USAP support, but with 320GB hdd only sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Harold2009 @ Apr 28 2015, 12:37 AM)
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Rest research by your self.  wink.gif
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nice smile.gif

in general there is no need to do 4k alignment like that. (perhaps w7 needs it, but i never do that on w8.x) usually i just do diskpart > clean > proceed with installation (w8.x; gpt disk; uefi mode). i haven't encountered any 4k alignment issues.

QUOTE(1024kbps @ Apr 28 2015, 10:16 AM)
Grab a cheap SSD and put it into a 2.5inch hdd enclosure? or SATA to USB 3 adapter, im using one with USAP support, but with 320GB hdd only  sweat.gif
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bro do you mind to share the information about your hdd enclosure? i wanna get some noctua fans at lyp, so if possible i just grab some hdd enclosures too.
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QUOTE(horns @ Apr 28 2015, 11:56 AM)
nice smile.gif

in general there is no need to do 4k alignment like that. (perhaps w7 needs it, but i never do that on w8.x) usually i just do diskpart > clean > proceed with installation (w8.x; gpt disk; uefi mode). i haven't encountered any 4k alignment issues.
bro do you mind to share the information about your hdd enclosure? i wanna get some noctua fans at lyp, so if possible i just grab some hdd enclosures too.
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Eh, im using my HDD naked sweat.gif
the SATA to USB3 adapter is made by Asus. if you want to grab you, better find the enclosure that support UASP mode.
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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Apr 28 2015, 03:43 PM)
Eh, im using my HDD naked  sweat.gif
the SATA to USB3 adapter is made by Asus. if you want to grab you, better find the enclosure that support UASP mode.
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oh lol! i am using normal hdd enclosure. the max it can go is 190MB/s

yeah the problem is that enclosures with uasp are rare here :/
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QUOTE(horns @ Apr 28 2015, 03:55 PM)
oh lol! i am using normal hdd enclosure. the max it can go is 190MB/s

yeah the problem is that enclosures with uasp are rare here :/
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190MB/s is damn fast already, i'm not sure if UASP going to increase the performance further. sweat.gif
Too bad i dont have spare SSD to test the UASP mode vs the normal mode.

Or just get it from amazon http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00E1JAB3...d=ATVPDKIKX0DER
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QUOTE(Harold2009 @ Apr 28 2015, 12:04 AM)
thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif Yeah, I agree with you, mine SSD near 3 years old, just format once because migrate from win 7 lanun to ori win 8.1 pro use till today smooth like butter.  biggrin.gif

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ssd don't perform so great on win 7 so just use win 8.1
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i won't return to win 7 again cos slow. i'm waiting win 10.1  whistling.gif 

ssd don't perform so great on win 7 so just use win 8.1
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Need some advise, I accidentally damage the power supply connector of my when installing a new HDD. The plastic on top of the pin damaged.
Now I still able to use it(have to use tape to secure it), should I send it for repair?

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190MB/s is damn fast already, i'm not sure if UASP going to increase the performance further. sweat.gif
Too bad i dont have spare SSD to test the UASP mode vs the normal mode.

Or just get it from amazon http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00E1JAB3...d=ATVPDKIKX0DER
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hm.. after reading through the right way to get that good speed, i think i will just sit this one out, and wait for usb 3.1.

i just remembered that some one in this forum have told me about the complete compatibility of usb 3.0 enclosures with uasp support. actually you need a compatible host also. uasp was implemented in older mobo's before (z77, z87 mobos. need to check out the actual implementations), but i guess for cost reasons and the limited availability of uasp-capable enclosures, that part was absent in new mobos (most z97 in the market, except for some that are from asus).

without the whole set, you will never get close to full speed, which is pointless imo.

QUOTE(supersound @ Apr 29 2015, 12:15 AM)
Need some advise, I accidentally damage the power supply connector of my when installing a new HDD. The plastic on top of the pin damaged.
Now I still able to use it(have to use tape to secure it), should I send it for repair?
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first, back your data up while you can.

i am not sure if there is any place to fix the damaged part. maybe someone else have something to share.
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QUOTE(horns @ Apr 29 2015, 01:45 AM)
hm.. after reading through the right way to get that good speed, i think i will just sit this one out, and wait for usb 3.1.

i just remembered that some one in this forum have told me about the complete compatibility of usb 3.0 enclosures with uasp support. actually you need a compatible host also. uasp was implemented in older mobo's before (z77, z87 mobos. need to check out the actual implementations), but i guess for cost reasons and the limited availability of uasp-capable enclosures, that part was absent in new mobos (most z97 in the market, except for some that are from asus).

without the whole set, you will never get close to full speed, which is pointless imo.
first, back your data up while you can.

i am not sure if there is any place to fix the damaged part. maybe someone else have something to share.
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i rarely change mobo and CPU so i wouldn't know much sweat.gif
i'm using Asus M5A99X for years, here are the fast inaccurate benchmark with UASP mode on and off:
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USB3 Thumbdrives are supported, tested with verbatim OTG and Sandisk extreme, both aren't even mention any "UASP" mode or boost feature on their package, i guess all of them work out of box.
i have yet to try the 1TB WD passport.

So far most of the ASUS board support this feature, i checked gigabyte mobo, some models does not seems to mention any of the USB3 boost related function sweat.gif
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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Apr 29 2015, 02:25 AM)
i rarely change mobo and CPU so i wouldn't know much sweat.gif
i'm using Asus M5A99X for years, here are the fast inaccurate benchmark with UASP mode on and off:
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USB3 Thumbdrives are supported, tested with verbatim OTG and Sandisk extreme, both aren't even mention any "UASP" mode or boost feature on their package, i guess all of them work out of box.
i have yet to try the 1TB WD passport.

So far most of the ASUS board support this feature, i checked gigabyte mobo, some models does not seems to mention any of the USB3 boost related function sweat.gif
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haha a lot of us don't do that either.

for uasp compatibility, it's kind of like a buzz thing at that point of time. moving forward, i guess usb3.1 is one of the good choices in near future.

right, only asus is persistent in having this on their mobos.
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hm.. after reading through the right way to get that good speed, i think i will just sit this one out, and wait for usb 3.1.

i just remembered that some one in this forum have told me about the complete compatibility of usb 3.0 enclosures with uasp support. actually you need a compatible host also. uasp was implemented in older mobo's before (z77, z87 mobos. need to check out the actual implementations), but i guess for cost reasons and the limited availability of uasp-capable enclosures, that part was absent in new mobos (most z97 in the market, except for some that are from asus).

without the whole set, you will never get close to full speed, which is pointless imo.
first, back your data up while you can.

i am not sure if there is any place to fix the damaged part. maybe someone else have something to share.
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Already talk to the Kingston tech support and they requested a photo for it and see what they can do.
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that's nice to hear man smile.gif it's good to know that someone official still care about us consumers.

off topic:after reading through threads about bad rma things, like this pinned topic, https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/861703 (looking at how sellers responded to it), and asus complaint topics, i am really not happy to let local shops and distributors to earn my money.

i especially feel annoyed about local distributors that handle rma process for their own goods. (money they take, service they don't deliver properly. wtf?) the rma processes are so bad that at some point of time i thought that it was pointless to get stuff locally (lengthy, takes months for them to get their asses up to fulfill; no guarantee that the replaced unit will work; on top of that we need to pay to get things moving. another wtf?). there is no difference between being eligible for rma but getting abused by them, and getting stuff elsewhere and get disqualified for warranty. (for the latter you don't feel anything bad because it's one of the calculated risks)

sorry for whining about something unrelated. it's in my head for some years, and i never complained about local sellers here about being slow, late, unresponsive, sometimes kind of arrogant, with missing parts in goods they sent, etc. yeah for the livelihood of local markets, i still choose to spend here. i believe i have done my part. all i ask is just deliver what you have promised.
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QUOTE(horns @ Apr 29 2015, 10:27 AM)
that's nice to hear man smile.gif it's good to know that someone official still care about us consumers.

off topic:after reading through threads about bad rma things, like this pinned topic, https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/861703 (looking at how sellers responded to it), and asus complaint topics, i am really not happy to let local shops and distributors to earn my money.

i especially feel annoyed about local distributors that handle rma process for their own goods. (money they take, service they don't deliver properly. wtf?) the rma processes are so bad that at some point of time i thought that it was pointless to get stuff locally (lengthy, takes months for them to get their asses up to fulfill; no guarantee that the replaced unit will work; on top of that we need to pay to get things moving. another wtf?). there is no difference between being eligible for rma but getting abused by them, and getting stuff elsewhere and get disqualified for warranty. (for the latter you don't feel anything bad because it's one of the calculated risks)

sorry for whining about something unrelated. it's in my head for some years, and i never complained about local sellers here about being slow, late, unresponsive, sometimes kind of arrogant, with missing parts in goods they sent, etc. yeah for the livelihood of local markets, i still choose to spend here. i believe i have done my part. all i ask is just deliver what you have promised.
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Worst case will be, I strip out my old SATA HDD's connection and put to this SSD. I just need an electronic repairman to do the soldering works.
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if it's worth to try why not? good luck.

all in all, just maintain regular multiple system and data backups at all times. multiple backups are critical for important data. if you have at least 2 copies of them, you should be safe from almost any failure. (just don't put them in the same machine) i had several cases of hardware failure due to improper handling. that simple backup plan saved me a lot of time and efforts.

if possible, encrypt the drives. if the storage is faulty, you don't need to worry about its contents and you can do rma straightaway. (ok if you had the chance, wipe it clean before rma. but if you don't get that chance, it can help prevent certain levels of malicious data rediscovery by someone else) there are always pro's and con's in encrypted drives, but again multiple backup copies will save you from terrible experience, i.e. unable to recover data properly because of encryption.


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QUOTE(horns @ Apr 29 2015, 01:04 PM)
if it's worth to try why not? good luck.

all in all, just maintain regular multiple system and data backups at all times. multiple backups are critical for important data. if you have at least 2 copies of them, you should be safe from almost any failure. (just don't put them in the same machine) i had several cases of hardware failure due to improper handling. that simple backup plan saved me a lot of time and efforts.

if possible, encrypt the drives. if the storage is faulty, you don't need to worry about its contents and you can do rma straightaway. (ok if you had the chance, wipe it clean before rma. but if you don't get that chance, it can help prevent certain levels of malicious data rediscovery by someone else) there are always pro's and con's in encrypted drives, but again multiple backup copies will save you from terrible experience, i.e. unable to recover data properly because of encryption.
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As read on Kingston's tech support, they will on the spot clear all the data before starting the repair works, so no issues on this.
Remember, SSD will last longer compare to conventional HDD, so as long as the repair cost does not > 50% of buying price, I think still worth a try icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(supersound @ Apr 29 2015, 01:24 PM)
As read on Kingston's tech support, they will on the spot clear all the data before starting the repair works, so no issues on this.

Remember, SSD will last longer compare to conventional HDD, so as long as the repair cost does not > 50% of buying price, I think still worth a try icon_rolleyes.gif
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ok smile.gif yeah it's up to you to trust a third party or not regarding data handling. i just do my part to make myself feel better lol!

as for repair costs, if it's fair, i guess it's good to go. after all, all we need is a functional unit.

updates: for those who are affected, you might wanna keep an iso version of samsung 840 evo that is compatible with samsung magician 4.6 new advanced performance feature. http://www.samsung.com/global/business/sem.../downloads.html

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QUOTE(horns @ Apr 29 2015, 03:53 PM)
ok smile.gif yeah it's up to you to trust a third party or not regarding data handling. i just do my part to make myself feel better lol!

as for repair costs, if it's fair, i guess it's good to go. after all, all we need is a functional unit.

updates: for those who are affected, you might wanna keep an iso version of samsung 840 evo that is compatible with samsung magician 4.6 new advanced performance feature. http://www.samsung.com/global/business/sem.../downloads.html
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haha a lot of us don't do that either.

for uasp compatibility, it's kind of like a buzz thing at that point of time. moving forward, i guess usb3.1 is one of the good choices in near future.

right, only asus is persistent in having this on their mobos.
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The UASP is kinda gimmicky sweat.gif i've tried both my external HDD, no transfer rate improvement except lower CPU utilization(like 3%)...
Now you know why most mobo maker didnt even bothered to add the functions tongue.gif

Turbo mode(different from UASP) does help a lot with flash storage though, free performance upgrade for old thumbdrive lol


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QUOTE(supersound @ Apr 29 2015, 04:01 PM)
Well, he does not deal with PC, more on TV, amp repairs.
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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Apr 29 2015, 05:47 PM)
The UASP is kinda gimmicky sweat.gif i've tried both my external HDD, no transfer rate improvement except lower CPU utilization(like 3%)...
Now you know why most mobo maker didnt even bothered to add the functions tongue.gif

Turbo mode(different from UASP) does help a lot with flash storage though, free performance upgrade for old thumbdrive lol
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Thanks for this helpful insights about usb storage.

For now i can live with the current speed. Just hope usb 3.1 will populate at better rate so that we can use ssd as storage with that 2x usb 3.0 speed. It's really cheaper to get a small ssd instead of multiple usb sticks for quick backups.

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Are there any pci-e ssd with sata 3 speed limitation or other feature cuts for it to be sold cheap?
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no i don't think so. pcie ssd is supposed to overcome sata6 speed limit.
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QUOTE(lulz @ May 10 2015, 10:13 PM)
Dang, I dont like putting more cables inside my already full small case. Bad cable management some more  tongue.gif  . Can only hope for the bigger and cheaper ssd to come out fast then maybe the pcie ssd will come down too then.
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- a heads-up, ssd might not be good enough for storage purposes in unpowered state and in unfavorable environments: http://www.extremetech.com/computing/20538...s-without-power

- 6tb sata ssd is coming in July 2015: http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/205362-...arket-this-july


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QUOTE(lulz @ May 10 2015, 10:13 PM)
Dang, I dont like putting more cables inside my already full small case. Bad cable management some more  tongue.gif  . Can only hope for the bigger and cheaper ssd to come out fast then maybe the pcie ssd will come down too then.
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Use this:

SEDNA - PCI Express SATA III (6G) SSD Adapter with 1 SATA III port

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Bit slower than SATA3 & use Asmedia chipset...



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found the uasp compliant usb3 hdd enclosure @viewnet. damn all this while it's there but i never visited that part of the store hehe

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now the transfer speed is slightly bumped to 200MB/s with ssd.






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found the uasp compliant usb3 hdd enclosure @viewnet. damn all this while it's there but i never visited that part of the store hehe

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now the transfer speed is slightly bumped to 200MB/s with ssd.
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60+ i think. The brand is hotway rock mobile disk. Outside the box it terang terang states that it supports uasp hehe

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- update to the potential data loss of ssd, internet people are reading it wrongly biggrin.gif http://www.pcworld.com/article/2925173/deb...-after-all.html
- intel ssd toolbox 3.3.0, https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/1...e-Drive-Toolbox



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I saw some article mention if SSD did not power up for 1 week , all data will get erase and gone and cannot start sad.gif
Is it true ? which brand happen ?
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never heard of it before. hmm.gif
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I saw some article mention if SSD did not power up for 1 week , all data will get erase and gone and cannot start sad.gif
Is it true ? which brand happen ?
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Those are based on some extreme worst condition for enterprise server.
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/20538...s-without-power

Do read up about the follow up comment by other parties
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2925173/deb...-after-all.html

For typical consumers, we don't need to be as paranoid. Just do your regular optimizing, checking and backup.

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I saw some article mention if SSD did not power up for 1 week , all data will get erase and gone and cannot start sad.gif
Is it true ? which brand happen ?
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yeah. people misinterpreted without proper understandings. it's like many user comments, they don't actually check the 'when' of scenarios. the original author talked about what happens at the end-of-life of a ssd. the rest of the world thought it happens just like that.
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Must read!
SanDisk Releases Z400S SSD for Mainstream PCs & Embedded Applications
TLDR?
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- Same price as HDD
- as low as 32GB up to 256GB
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QUOTE(NightFelix @ May 27 2015, 01:15 PM)
Must read!
SanDisk Releases Z400S SSD for Mainstream PCs & Embedded Applications
TLDR?
- 20x faster than HDD
- Same price as HDD
- as low as 32GB up to 256GB
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Has anyone tried galax ssd..
Speed read n write quite good!
And only cost rm250 for 120gb..
Can consider as a good deal?

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http://www.goldfries.com/hardware-reviews/...0gb-ssd-review/

I have them with me. Value for money. The read speed is very fast but write speed isn't as fast as many other SSDs in the market but it trails very closely.


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i thought i was dreaming just now. after several tests, i think it's real. this is the transfer speed when i do a transfer from my computer to an external ssd (in a hdd enclosure with uasp support. ssd to ssd) in w10 tech preview (build 10125):

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the transfer speed from the external ssd to computer is lower, i.e. avg. 198MB/s. (the normal speed in w8.1)

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I was wondering if Lite-On MU series would be a decent SSD compared to 900S? It is cheaper than 900S it seems
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Hi Sifus,

I was wondering if Lite-On MU series would be a decent SSD compared to 900S? It is cheaper than 900S it seems
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for common use, it should work.

I just checked the price, the difference is just about MYR40.00 max. For that difference i still suggest you get 900s.

Sometimes, i believe 'you get what you pay for'.
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will there be much different in access speed;
OS and Application in 1 SSD, but data in another normal 7200rpm hdd.
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all in 1 SSD

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will there be much different in access speed;
OS and Application in 1 SSD, but data in another normal 7200rpm hdd. 
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If you are not video/photo editor, really doesn't feel the different.
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QUOTE(NightFelix @ Jun 4 2015, 04:30 PM)
If you are not video/photo editor, really doesn't feel the different.
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tq.

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Havent do housekeeping for my crucial m4 for 3 years..shud i be worry?
First time bought very excited do this and that optimizatio.but now so lazy since it still work and plenty fast oso.

I had two m4s before.1 died suspect due to stupid psu.
yeah guys.stupid psu may kill ur ssd.

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QUOTE(mizi28 @ Jun 10 2015, 01:04 PM)
Havent do housekeeping for my crucial m4 for 3 years..shud i be worry?
First time bought very excited do this and that optimizatio.but now so lazy since it still work and plenty fast oso.

I had two m4s before.1 died suspect due to stupid psu.
yeah guys.stupid psu may kill ur ssd.
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i guess older drives lacked of decent power protection. one of my oldest ssds lost all its data because of sudden power loss too hehe (it's not dead but it's like being secure erased) after reinitialized, everything is still working, the health is still good.
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Can ssd format with MBR rather than GPT ? because if Install window XP will it have problem or not perform well ?
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Can ssd format with MBR rather than GPT ? because if Install window XP will it have problem or not perform well ?
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I saw goldfries review on SSD Galax gamer ssd but no info on this ssd reliability and chip.
What's the drawback for this ssd ? 2 years warranty ?
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All new stuff, very hard to try their reliability.

We'll have to wait a while and see what Disti thinks based on the # sold vs # returned.
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Hmm guys, i am using Liteon L9s...after install...i feel the speed same like conventional HDD. Am i missing something?
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Try running some benchmark like CrystalDiskMark or Atto?

The desktop experience is pretty much the same. What you'll notice would be the loading time - OS boot, software launch, data reading (large file, no different on small files).
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Try running some benchmark like CrystalDiskMark or Atto?

The desktop experience is pretty much the same. What you'll notice would be the loading time - OS boot, software launch, data reading (large file, no different on small files).
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Loading time eh? let me try more loading intense game and test it out again. Will run benchmark and share over here. Btw, is OEM version recommended to get? I get it because it is quite cheap. RM330 for 256GB. Mind to share me your input? Kentang goreng?
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Loading time eh? let me try more loading intense game and test it out again. Will run benchmark and share over here. Btw, is OEM version recommended to get? I get it because it is quite cheap. RM330 for 256GB. Mind to share me your input? Kentang goreng?
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Hi, mind share where you find it RM330?
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Plextor M7V coming with TLC (budget) hmm.gif

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QUOTE(hianz86 @ Jun 16 2015, 10:34 AM)
Loading time eh? let me try more loading intense game and test it out again. Will run benchmark and share over here. Btw, is OEM version recommended to get? I get it because it is quite cheap. RM330 for 256GB. Mind to share me your input? Kentang goreng?
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yeah mainly load time should be improved. there are others but it really depends on your setup and usage (e.g. file copy - ssd to ssd, not ssd to hdd or hdd to ssd - i.e. anything that is related directly to reads and writes).

oem ssds are actually similar to retail units with minor adjustments to suit oem orders. the main difference is warranty. this is the only sacrifice and risk that you need to make and take. if you're concerned about warranty, then don't go for it.

i have some sata oem drives. so far they work as good as retail units. they are very affordable so i made my own 'warranty' thing: get a few more as backups. the total costs are still lower than retail units.

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QUOTE(horns @ Jun 16 2015, 02:11 PM)
yeah mainly load time should be improved. there are others but it really depends on your setup and usage (e.g. file copy - ssd to ssd, not ssd to hdd or hdd to ssd - i.e. anything that is related directly to reads and writes).

oem ssds are actually similar to retail units with minor adjustments to suit oem orders. the main difference is warranty. this is the only sacrifice and risk that you need to make and take. if you're concerned about warranty, then don't go for it.

i have some sata oem drives. so far they work as good as retail units. they are very affordable so i made my own 'warranty' thing: get a few more as backups. the total costs are still lower than retail units.
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Thanks for giving me the comment. Appreciate it. Since it's like a beta version / demo and test the SSD, i don't really care about the warranty. I only store my stuff in the HDD. SSD only for game in steam. Everything well taken care of by gaben. So it should be alright for me.

Really cheap i would say. Almost the lower price x2. laugh.gif I was eyeing on Samsung Pro 256GB version.
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QUOTE(hianz86 @ Jun 16 2015, 03:25 PM)
Thanks for giving me the comment. Appreciate it. Since it's like a beta version / demo and test the SSD, i don't really care about the warranty. I only store my stuff in the HDD. SSD only for game in steam. Everything well taken care of by gaben. So it should be alright for me.

Really cheap i would say. Almost the lower price x2.  laugh.gif I was eyeing on Samsung Pro 256GB version.
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yeah it depends on how you see things. tbh, my oldest ssd is an oem drive. (i couldn't afford spanking new retail units at that time, so my friend sold me a used oem at very low price smile.gif) it's been many years, and today it's one of my main storage ssds. there is no sign of health issues yet even if i use it to transfer very large files frequently.
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goldfries because it's too great for price vs performance , I plan to get it for normal usage , actually not much on gaming.

So maybe if you have time can do some SSD endurance experiment stress test 200TB w/r biggrin.gif

btw , what's the differnet between intel ssd 335 vs 330 for 120GB ? Same firmware and fixed ?
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Hi, what software/method are suitable to secure erase liteon l9s ssd?

If samsung, got its own software, but i cant find one for liteon.. googled it, but not sure which one is for liteon...

Thanks in advanced. smile.gif
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QUOTE(em0ti0n @ Jun 17 2015, 02:51 PM)
Hi, what software/method are suitable to secure erase liteon l9s ssd?

If samsung, got its own software, but i cant find one for liteon.. googled it, but not sure which one is for liteon...

Thanks in advanced. smile.gif
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QUOTE(em0ti0n @ Jun 17 2015, 02:51 PM)
Hi, what software/method are suitable to secure erase liteon l9s ssd?

If samsung, got its own software, but i cant find one for liteon.. googled it, but not sure which one is for liteon...

Thanks in advanced. smile.gif
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the simplest way is to use disk management to produce similar outcome. the method uses built-in garbage collection (gc) and trim. all you need to do is to select the disk you wanna clean up, and delete everything (volume, partitions, etc.) in disk management. the drive will become unallocated fully. then leave it alone for 1 to 2 hours (some suggested leaving it overnight). if you're familiar with diskpart, the same can be done with 'clean'.

after the above, you can manually issuing trim to ssd again (e.g. optimize drive in w8.x) to make sure controller processes the command once more.

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Sorry I dont understand about this SSD problem test , https://blog.algolia.com/when-solid-state-d...not-that-solid/

Wanted to know whether Intel 330 or 335 affected ?
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QUOTE(NightFelix @ Jun 17 2015, 03:46 PM)
I thought just wipe it and thats it? hmm.gif
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i want to reformat it, so need to reset it to factory.. hmm.. ur means by wipe is? delete everything?

QUOTE(horns @ Jun 17 2015, 03:59 PM)
the simplest way is to use disk management to produce similar outcome. the method uses built-in garbage collection (gc) and trim. all you need to do is to select the disk you wanna clean up, and delete everything (volume, partitions, etc.) in disk management. the drive will become unallocated fully. then leave it alone for 1 to 2 hours (some suggested leaving it overnight). if you're familiar with diskpart, the same can be done with 'clean'.

after the above, you can manually issuing trim to ssd again (e.g. optimize drive in w8.x) to make sure controller processes the command once more.
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thanks.. i will recheck on ur method.. btw, is using parted magic safe? i saw some video on youtube using it.
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QUOTE(Maxieos @ Jun 17 2015, 05:16 PM)
Sorry I dont understand about this SSD problem test , https://blog.algolia.com/when-solid-state-d...not-that-solid/

Wanted to know whether Intel 330 or 335 affected ?
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thanks for this article. it's a good read, bringing me back to those old code-reading days (supervise is still one of my favorite tools to be used in linux boxes lol!)

back to the topic, tl;dr; it's about ssds from samsung (the whole 8 series), certain crucial/micron, ocz, intel, etc. being blacklisted in linux's ata driver (along with other storage types and models), because of non-compliance to standards that involves disabling queued trim on them. (from that article, un-queued trim was used and caused issues too)

imo, it's really depends on usage. those are scenarios and workloads in heavy duty linux servers running 24/7. (those lines of codes can be translated into this, in terms of ssd: in mission critical systems, don't ever use consumer ssds, mainstream or enthusiast; and don't enable trim in linux if the ssd is listed). in reality, our computing loads will certainly not reach that level. i know the key point is still about trim in linux. how many of us have trim issues before that caused data corruption? i have crucial m500, and most of the samsung 8 series in that list. i have no issues so far. (maybe because they are running windows) of course, if you're running linux in your machine, i think it's better to avoid those blacklisted drives, or just disable trim if you insisted.

as for your question, yes, at least 330 is affected. (the answer is not obvious but it's in a link from that page, http://www.aerospike.com/docs/operations/p...ification.html)

QUOTE(em0ti0n @ Jun 17 2015, 06:20 PM)
thanks.. i will recheck on ur method.. btw, is using parted magic safe? i saw some video on youtube using it.
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i am not sure about this, but if it's using the similar method that handles hdd's secure erase, then it's not safe imo.

edit: buggy link fixed.

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i am not sure about this, but if it's using the similar method that handles hdd's secure erase, then it's not safe imo.
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well, i check on the method that u shared.. it is only applicable to the non bootable ssd sad.gif
looks like need to gamble with the software... or maybe need to do more research on this, or hear one or two comment from l9s users..
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well, i check on the method that u shared.. it is only applicable to the non bootable ssd  sad.gif
looks like need to gamble with the software... or maybe need to do more research on this, or hear one or two comment from l9s users..
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uh? you're doing secure erase, right? of course you can do that to a bootable drive. just boot from windows install media and do it.

imo unless the ssd is slower than usual, there is no need to do secure erase often. i just do every few months (up to a year) when i think it's time to reformat the drive and have a clean install/system restore.
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QUOTE(horns @ Jun 17 2015, 11:55 PM)
uh? you're doing secure erase, right? of course you can do that to a bootable drive. just boot from windows install media and do it.

imo unless the ssd is slower than usual, there is no need to do secure erase often. i just do every few months (up to a year) when i think it's time to reformat the drive and have a clean install/system restore.
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yeah, im doing secure erase.. according to here
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As long as the SSD is not being used as the boot drive, you can do this in Windows using the Disk Management utility

does it means i cannot do it on current ssd instal with OS or i need to boot from another drive? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(em0ti0n @ Jun 18 2015, 06:37 AM)
yeah, im doing secure erase.. according to here

does it means i cannot do it on current ssd instal with OS or i need to boot from another drive?  hmm.gif
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That part referrred to a running system in which os in the boot drive is active. It simply means to do a secure erase on it you can either boot the computer with another tool (e.g. windows install media, or simply the tool created with ssd management software), or you put the boot drive to another computer via sata cable as non-booting drive.
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QUOTE(horns @ Jun 18 2015, 08:21 AM)
That part referrred to a running system in which os in the boot drive is active. It simply means to do a secure erase on it you can either boot the computer with another tool (e.g. windows install media, or simply the tool created with ssd management software), or you put the boot drive to another computer via sata cable as non-booting drive.
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oh now i understand... thanks for clarifying.. smile.gif
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em0ti0n Thanks for the explanation , which means

Windows = Any ssd will do ( trim enable )
Linux with ext4 = Particular model ( trim disable ) Will a newer kernal fix it ? http://www.military-technologies.net/2015/...ially-released/

Guess avoid linux system on ssd first until problem fix but for window any SSD will do right ?
Normal usage , just for loding window faster and program faster , beside it's slow , everytime load something I can hear my Sgate hard disk seeking sound sad.gif

So which SSD do you recommend , budget not more than rm 350
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QUOTE(Maxieos @ Jun 19 2015, 02:11 AM)
em0ti0n Thanks for the explanation , which means

Windows = Any ssd will do ( trim enable )
Linux with ext4 = Particular model ( trim disable ) Will a newer kernal fix it ? http://www.military-technologies.net/2015/...ially-released/

Guess avoid linux system on ssd first until problem fix but for window any SSD will do right ?
Normal usage , just for loding window faster and program faster , beside it's slow , everytime load something I can hear my Sgate hard disk seeking sound sad.gif

So which SSD do you recommend , budget not more than rm 350
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QUOTE(Maxieos @ Jun 19 2015, 02:11 AM)
em0ti0n Thanks for the explanation , which means

Windows = Any ssd will do ( trim enable )
Linux with ext4 = Particular model ( trim disable ) Will a newer kernal fix it ? http://www.military-technologies.net/2015/...ially-released/

Guess avoid linux system on ssd first until problem fix but for window any SSD will do right ?
Normal usage , just for loding window faster and program faster , beside it's slow , everytime load something I can hear my Sgate hard disk seeking sound sad.gif

So which SSD do you recommend , budget not more than rm 350
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you're confused with the ext4 fix with queued trim blacklist patches for libata. they are different. from libata-related patches (libata-blacklist-queued-trim-on-samsung-ssd-850-pro.patch, libata-update-crucial-micron-blacklist.patch) they just updated the blacklist to add 850 pro (and 850 pro only, not entire 8 series like upstream).

note that i didn't say that os other than linux have bug-free trim. i meant to say, literally, i haven't encountered data corruption issues with trim in windows based on usage as a user.

also note that it's not about file systems like ext4 (it's a different issue). the blacklist is in libata, the ata driver. (in debian 8.1's kernel 3.16.7-ctk11, actually debian just added 850 pro into the list, and updated crucial/micron's listing based on upstream) i suspect it cannot be fixed entirely via kernel patches, but it must involve manufacturers (e.g. to fix firmware issues). there are news that samsung was contacted about this. it was said crucial has done something to its firmware too.

well you can wait until there are proper fix. tbh, there were already a lot of user comments about nothing were affected significantly for common usage with linux. you can choose to use windows with any ssd; or, use linux with ssd not listed; or use linux with ssd listed, without trim.

liteon s900 256gb should be good enough for you but the price might be over 350. take a look at the ssd section in garage sales. you might find something worthy there.
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it is 4 months already since i camp in 256gb zone

now gatal 2 change 500GB or even 1TB SSD laugh.gif doh.gif hoping big price drop in another 4 months time

damm i love tech life...it is always WAIT WAIT WAIT THEN *BAM* BUY and repeat cycle over again laugh.gif rclxub.gif
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guy,
I got myself 2x512 GB Liteon L9M and V2S series...
what I need to do for the first time assembly in to system?

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Just to share my experience with 256GB Liteon LS9. First it's small and my desktop bracket is too big. Only screwed to one side of the bracket. Second speed test it didn't reached the published speed. Finally found out that my old MB Marvell SATA slot doesn't support the full capability. Switched to Intel SATA slot and it did reached the published speed.

If you do have the budget, it's worth to tryout and I do feel some increased speed in windows bootup and loading of applications.
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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Jun 20 2015, 08:20 AM)
it is 4 months already since i camp in 256gb zone

now gatal 2 change 500GB or even 1TB SSD laugh.gif doh.gif hoping big price drop in another 4 months time

damm i love tech life...it is always WAIT WAIT WAIT THEN *BAM* BUY and repeat cycle over again laugh.gif rclxub.gif
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haha that's why it's better to save more and get the largest possible.

QUOTE(stevenlee @ Jun 20 2015, 08:25 AM)
guy,
I got myself 2x512 GB Liteon L9M and V2S series...
what I need to do for the first time assembly in to system?
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hm there is not much you have to do. you can try look for firmware updates first and apply them. if it's w8.x, there is really nothing you have to do.

QUOTE(merinyu @ Jun 21 2015, 12:04 PM)
Just to share my experience with 256GB Liteon LS9. First it's small and my desktop bracket is too big. Only screwed to one side of the bracket. Second speed test it didn't reached the published speed. Finally found out that my old MB Marvell SATA slot doesn't support the full capability. Switched to Intel SATA slot and it did reached the published speed.

If you do have the budget, it's worth to tryout and I do feel some increased speed in windows bootup and loading of applications.
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Hai... I need some suggestions.. I need to get my first ever SSD for my Asus laptop.. (GL552)

So, there is a lot of brand to choose for M.2 2280 SATA3 SSD i.e Kingston, ADATA, Plextor, Transcend...

Which one is the best in term of reliablity and performance? Are those SSDs compatible with my laptop? Are they comes with screw?

I heard that Plextor is good because they only pick high-quality components to build their SSDs? Is it true??
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QUOTE(nik91 @ Jun 22 2015, 12:33 AM)
Hai... I need some suggestions.. I need to get my first ever SSD for my Asus laptop.. (GL552)

So, there is a lot of brand to choose for M.2 2280 SATA3 SSD i.e Kingston, ADATA, Plextor, Transcend...

Which one is the best in term of reliablity and performance? Are those SSDs compatible with my laptop? Are they comes with screw?

I heard that Plextor is good because they only pick high-quality components to build their SSDs? Is it true??
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i checked the laptop's specs, it's said that it supports sata 2280 m.2 ssd. (not pcie ssd) your choices should be among those sata-based m.2 bare drives, like plextor m6g. i'm not sure if it comes with a screw (plextor m5m msata unit does come with a screw)

mainstream sata ssds these days should run at similar speeds (m6g should be like m6s). for reliability, my preferences are plextor and crucial. (note that this doesn't mean other brands are relatively bad)
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Hai my friend.. 2 question need to be answered..

1) sorry for off topic.. I just want to ask about the reability of SSHD.. Since SSHD have a nearly speed like SSD and bigger space per RM, i think i want to consider to buy SSHD..

Currently my rig have plextor 128gb SSD + 1TB Hdd.. That Hdd kind of slowing down my ssd like need to wake up when i click at Hdd partition..

2) Any suggestion SSD suitable for my old compaq CQ40 since it only have sata II..

TQ in advance

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Hai my friend.. 2 question need to be answered..

1) sorry for off topic.. I just want to ask about the reability of SSHD.. Since SSHD have a nearly speed like SSD and bigger space per RM, i think i want to consider to buy SSHD..

Currently my rig have plextor 128gb SSD + 1TB Hdd.. That Hdd kind of slowing down my ssd like need to wake up when i click at Hdd partition..

2) Any suggestion SSD suitable for my old compaq CQ40 since it only have sata II..

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1) never used any sshd before. as for hdd delays, in power configurations just turn 'turn off hdd' option to never (0), and it should do the trick.

2) any mainstream sata3 ssds should be fine. they're cheaper also.
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QUOTE(horns @ Jun 25 2015, 01:34 PM)
1) never used any sshd before. as for hdd delays, in power configurations just turn 'turn off hdd' option to never (0), and it should do the trick.

2) any mainstream sata3 ssds should be fine. they're cheaper also.
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Can u eleborate more on power config for hdd delay please? Computer noob here
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Can u eleborate more on power config for hdd delay please? Computer noob here
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it's in control panel > power options > click 'change plan settings' in the current power profile > click 'change advanced power settings' > select had disks > select 'turn off hard disk after' > edit the value to 0

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it's in control panel > power options > click 'change plan settings' in the current power profile > click 'change advanced power settings' > select had disks > select 'turn off hard disk after' > edit the value to 0

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haha that's why it's better to save more and get the largest possible.
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i use samsung ssd and i will buy another samsung ssd

i am huge samsung kaki from the galaxy note smartphone,,,huge LED tv and now SSD hahahaha
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LAZADA Singapore having 20% sale for Maybank cards.

Transcend SSD370 256GB going for less than SGD100 after discount. That is around RM280 or less.
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Hi guys, I'm getting my first SSD. For 120GB, would the Intel 320 be a good choice? Lazada's selling it for RM199 now.
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Hi guys, I'm getting my first SSD. For 120GB, would the Intel 320 be a good choice? Lazada's selling it for RM199 now.
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I rather gamble on OEM drives by Liteon/Hynix in garage sale than it. sweat.gif

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Intel 320 is soooooooooooooooooo old... It also not among the top performer during its time.

I rather gamble on OEM drives by Liteon/Hynix in garage sale than it. sweat.gif
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Any model(s) to recommend for 80/120GB? I'm just using it for rendering purposes and quicker Windows bootup. Not too pricey as I'm on a limited budget

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QUOTE(UserU @ Jun 26 2015, 01:31 AM)
Any model(s) to recommend for 80/120GB? I'm just using it for rendering purposes and quicker Windows bootup. Not too pricey as I'm on a limited budget
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If on budget, Transcend 370 seems to be the cheapest option around (but they are also relatively slower compared to other top dogs).

But at least you get a proper 3 years warranty from Transcend than getting an EOLed old drive by Intel with unknown warranty.
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QUOTE(NightFelix @ Jun 25 2015, 09:55 PM)
Laundry machine, refrigerator, vacuum, air conditioning, what else?
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QUOTE(UserU @ Jun 26 2015, 01:20 AM)
Hi guys, I'm getting my first SSD. For 120GB, would the Intel 320 be a good choice? Lazada's selling it for RM199 now.
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it's too old, and it's eol. transcend ssd370 is much better.

edit: for those who are interested in samsung sm951, there is a seller selling it in garage sales section, namely, https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3593258

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QUOTE(UserU @ Jun 26 2015, 01:31 AM)
Any model(s) to recommend for 80/120GB? I'm just using it for rendering purposes and quicker Windows bootup. Not too pricey as I'm on a limited budget
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Not sure but at that capacity and budget would be best opt for Kingston. Kingston have 60GB / 120GB iinm.

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haha those were other brands laugh.gif tongue.gif if entertainment sets,,,then different story lulz laugh.gif  tongue.gif
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QUOTE(horns @ Jun 26 2015, 08:41 AM)
it's too old, and it's eol. transcend ssd370 is much better.

edit: for those who are interested in samsung sm951, there is a seller selling it in garage sales section, namely, https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3593258
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By the way, I thought M2 slot only exists on Laptop? Now even modern Mobo have too?

Another question is, how does PCIE SSD compare to M2 SSD and as well SATA SSD?
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QUOTE(NightFelix @ Jun 26 2015, 09:22 AM)
By the way, I thought M2 slot only exists on Laptop? Now even modern Mobo have too?

Another question is, how does PCIE SSD compare to M2 SSD and as well SATA SSD?
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it's been in new desktop mobos since at least a year ago if not more. (starting from asrock z97 extreme6)

the obvious difference is that pcie ssd uses pcie lanes, while sata ssd uses sata connection. m.2 is just a form factor. (m.2 has many sizes. the common one is 2280) that means, besides 2.5" sata ssds, we also have m.2 sata ssds. an example in local market is plextor m6e (m.2 pcie ssd) and plextor m6g (m.2 sata ssd). the previous ones are bare m.2 drives, and can be used with compatible m.2 slots.

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you can also put these m.2 bare drives into a compatible hhhl pcie adapter and plug it into a pcie slot that has sufficient pcie lanes. an example of m.2 ssd that comes with an adapter is plextor m6e black edition (a pcie 2.0 x2). normally this type of ssd is sometimes called a hhhl form factor (because it comes with a half-height half-length adapter).

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(adaptor only. the above is asus addin card, a pcie 3.0 x4)

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(plextor m6e black edition is covered with a heat sink to help dissipate heat properly. without the heat sink it looks like this:)

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the true hhhl ssd is not the m.2 + pcie adapter combo, but the whole pcie unit is a ssd.

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edit: yes it looks complicated, but in reality it's just checking out the mobo manual for actual supported m.2 ssd spec if you wanna use m.2 slots. if not, just grab hhhl and make use of available pcie slots.

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is it bootable from this hhhl SSD. Anyone tried to install OS on it to boot from PC ?
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QUOTE(horns @ Jun 26 2015, 08:41 AM)
it's too old, and it's eol. transcend ssd370 is much better.
QUOTE(NightFelix @ Jun 26 2015, 09:22 AM)
Not sure but at that capacity and budget would be best opt for Kingston. Kingston have 60GB / 120GB iinm.
I did a comparison between the Kingston V300 and SSD370. For slightly above RM20, the SSD370 packs a bigger punch so I'll go for it.

Thanks for your opinions!
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QUOTE(distributor @ Jun 26 2015, 03:38 PM)
is it bootable from this hhhl SSD. Anyone tried to install OS on it to boot from PC ?
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it depends on several things, like mobo supports, and availability of boot code in the ssd itself. it's better to check out and verify this part before purchase. for instance, xp941 has no boot code, so mobos that depend on this will have issues.

edit: a good place to start might be https://www.ramcity.com.au/blog/how-to-inst...xp941-ss/138296 check out their m.2 compatibility list.

QUOTE(UserU @ Jun 26 2015, 05:47 PM)
I did a comparison between the Kingston V300 and SSD370. For slightly above RM20, the SSD370 packs a bigger punch so I'll go for it.

Thanks for your opinions!
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no problem. kingston's bait and switch thing for v300 is still not so comforting at least to me tbh.

on the other hand, we saw some happy owners of transcend ssds here. i personally think recent ssds should work quite well for common usage.

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QUOTE(horns @ Jun 26 2015, 09:23 PM)
no problem. kingston's bait and switch thing for v300 is still not so comforting at least to me tbh.

on the other hand, we saw some happy owners of transcend ssds here. i personally think recent ssds should work quite well for common usage.
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Thank goodness I skipped that exact controversial model shocking.gif The reviews kinda saved me at the last minute.

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I got quote 680 for liteon 512gb.. good to be true?
Anyone got experience with liteon ssd?
Since I heard rebadge from plextor..
Performance not far behind samsung evo 850 rite?
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QUOTE(UserU @ Jun 27 2015, 02:40 AM)
Thank goodness I skipped that exact controversial model shocking.gif The reviews kinda saved me at the last minute.
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when you really have bad budgets, v300 could be an option. it's still good comparing to hdd.

QUOTE(nuekkacak @ Jun 27 2015, 06:31 AM)
I got quote 680 for liteon 512gb.. good to be true?
Anyone got experience with liteon ssd?
Since I heard rebadge from plextor..
Performance not far behind samsung evo 850 rite?
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i think it's a good buy, but which liteon ssd is this? what's the model number? i believe liteon ssd are as good as plextor's, minus some cosmetics and component differences. i have an old oem drive which was equivalent to plextor m3s 512gb here. it's still all good (as storage).

in general, most recent sata ssds are at the saturated point of sata speed limit. there are no apparent differences in performance in real world common usage. to me the only difference to samsung 850 evo is warranty. (because i use primocache to take care of the rapid mode part)

also for those who have tight budgets, i think it makes more sense to spend on capacity than speed.

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QUOTE(horns @ Jun 27 2015, 10:31 AM)
when you really have bad budgets, v300 could be an option. it's still good comparing to hdd.
True that. If it wasn't for Lazada's sale, I would have gone for the V300. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(UserU @ Jun 27 2015, 12:41 PM)
True that. If it wasn't for Lazada's sale, I would have gone for the V300. tongue.gif
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haha i will still suggest you save a bit more and go for others. there are plenty of options around, and with proper care and use, recent ssds should outlast your current system and still offer good speed in the long run.

imo in general ssd development has reached another level in consumer markets. now we have pcie ssd as highest end of all (for enthusiasts and professionals), and sata ssd will continue to be more more common and affordable (mainstream).

tbh, sata ssd is sufficient enough to fulfill most general use.




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QUOTE(horns @ Jun 27 2015, 01:36 PM)
haha i will still suggest you save a bit more and go for others. there are plenty of options around, and with proper care and use, recent ssds should outlast your current system and still offer good speed in the long run.

imo in general ssd development has reached another level in consumer markets. now we have pcie ssd as highest end of all (for enthusiasts and professionals), and sata ssd will continue to be more more common and affordable (mainstream).

tbh, sata ssd is sufficient enough to fulfill most general use.
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Okay, I will consider SATA SDDs as I read that their prices will not drop down much as long as HDDs continue to dominate the market. Thanks!
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QUOTE(nuekkacak @ Jun 27 2015, 06:31 AM)
I got quote 680 for liteon 512gb.. good to be true?
Anyone got experience with liteon ssd?
Since I heard rebadge from plextor..
Performance not far behind samsung evo 850 rite?
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No no. Don't get mistaken. The re-badge Plextor version of Liteon model is 900S which only have 128GB and 256GB. The 512GB is not 900S Series, and it don't exists!
Ops. Did a quick research, it may exists, but make sure the part number is LCS-512L9S.

Liteon 900S
128GB: LCS-128L9S
256GB: LCS-256L9S
512GB: LCS-512L9S

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Is anyone using heatsinks on their Samsung XP941 SSDs? I read a review saying these run really hot. I bought a few copper heatsinks meant for the Raspberry Pi as they are small enough to just stick on to the XP941. But been too busy lately to actually open up my rig to do it.


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QUOTE(Traveler @ Jun 27 2015, 03:37 PM)
Is anyone using heatsinks on their Samsung XP941 SSDs? I read a review saying these run really hot. I bought a few copper heatsinks meant for the Raspberry Pi as they are small enough to just stick on to the XP941. But been too busy lately to actually open up my rig to do it.
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yes i do that. using bplus m2p4a, http://www.bplus.com.tw/Adapter/M2P4A.html
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Looking for a SSD under Rm 300. Can't decide whether I should get the Galax Gamer, Liteon S900, Kingston HyperX Fury or Transcend S370. Performance wise I think the Galax Gamer and S900 is ahead? But can't find direct comparison of them.
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QUOTE(NightFelix @ Jun 27 2015, 02:33 PM)
No no. Don't get mistaken. The re-badge Plextor version of Liteon model is 900S which only have 128GB and 256GB. The 512GB is not 900S Series, and it don't exists!
Ops. Did a quick research, it may exists, but make sure the part number is LCS-512L9S.

Liteon 900S
128GB: LCS-128L9S
256GB: LCS-256L9S
512GB: LCS-512L9S
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This is the answer from seller.. need clarification from all otai..
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Not L9S. It's better lite-on M3S(plextor m6s)


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QUOTE(cheesycake @ Jun 28 2015, 12:34 AM)
Looking for a SSD under Rm 300. Can't decide whether I should get the Galax Gamer, Liteon S900, Kingston HyperX Fury or Transcend S370. Performance wise I think the Galax Gamer and S900 is ahead? But can't find direct comparison of them.
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do a bit of homework yourself might be useful in this case. they are all mainstream ssds. the differences aren't much between them. i will go for liteon because of personal preference.

QUOTE(nuekkacak @ Jun 28 2015, 06:40 AM)
This is the answer from seller.. need clarification from all otai..
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if you have the ssd what's the model number from the sticker at the back of the ssd?

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QUOTE(horns @ Jun 29 2015, 12:11 AM)
if you have the ssd what's the model number from the sticker at the back of the ssd?
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No.. I dont have the item in hand..

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No.. I dont have the item in hand..
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oh. maybe the seller is kind enough to take a photo of the sticker.

we are well aware of liteon ssd sellers that don't actually sell the same drive that we refer to (which is l9s, also available in retail market), but other versions of their oem ssds. (maybe they're trying to ride on the reputation of l9s) imo they should provide at least the correct model number to buyers to do further research (like this guy, https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3621708 at least you know you can get a firmware upgrade from dell because they use the same in their systems, http://www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/19/...driverId=7DK2R).

it's not that old drives are bad. at least to me i wanna know what i am buying. (liteon is just a brand. it's the model number that we should look at also)

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QUOTE(horns @ Jun 29 2015, 12:51 PM)
oh. maybe the seller is kind enough to take a photo of the sticker.

we are well aware of liteon ssd sellers that don't actually sell the same drive that we refer to (which is l9s, also available in retail market), but other versions of their oem ssds. (maybe they're trying to ride on the reputation of l9s) imo they should provide at least the correct model number to buyers to do further research (like this guy, https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3621708 at least you know you can get a firmware upgrade from dell because they use the same in their systems, http://www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/19/...driverId=7DK2R).

it's not that old drives are bad. at least to me i wanna know what i am buying. (liteon is just a brand. it's the model number that we should look at also)
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Yeah.. i think that lite-on ssd that seller trying to to sell as same as kuroro88 selling but 512GB M3S.. is it new or old model?
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QUOTE(NightFelix @ Jun 27 2015, 02:33 PM)
No no. Don't get mistaken. The re-badge Plextor version of Liteon model is 900S which only have 128GB and 256GB. The 512GB is not 900S Series, and it don't exists!
Ops. Did a quick research, it may exists, but make sure the part number is LCS-512L9S.

Liteon 900S
128GB: LCS-128L9S
256GB: LCS-256L9S
512GB: LCS-512L9S
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bro actually your previous statement was correct. the max for s900 is 256gb. http://www.liteonssd.com/tw/datasheet/S900...onalChinese.pdf

note that s900's model number starts with scs, not lcs.

QUOTE(nuekkacak @ Jun 29 2015, 07:36 PM)
Yeah.. i think that lite-on ssd that seller trying to to sell as same as kuroro88 selling but 512GB M3S.. is it new or old model?
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if it's the same drive (m3s), it should be released since 2012. although it's old, it's still good tbh.
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QUOTE(horns @ Jun 29 2015, 12:11 AM)

if you have the ssd what's the model number from the sticker at the back of the ssd?
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I am using the OEM Liteon SSD, model number exactly the same: LCS-256L9S
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QUOTE(ashraf095 @ Jun 29 2015, 08:52 PM)
I am using the OEM Liteon SSD, model number exactly the same: LCS-256L9S
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this one is a new one. i think you can find this in dell or lenovo systems that have ssd. note that these manufacturers usually use multiple suppliers.

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QUOTE(horns @ Jun 29 2015, 08:51 PM)
bro actually your previous statement was correct. the max for s900 is 256gb. http://www.liteonssd.com/tw/datasheet/S900...onalChinese.pdf

note that s900's model number starts with scs, not lcs.
if it's the same drive (m3s), it should be released since 2012. although it's old, it's still good tbh.
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Kinda confuse. I dig Internet is LCS, but I check my case back in home are SCS.
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this one is a new one. i think you can find this in dell or lenovo systems that have ssd. note that these manufacturers usually use multiple suppliers.
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Not that new lah. I bought it before liteon s900 available in our market.
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QUOTE(NightFelix @ Jun 29 2015, 09:38 PM)
Kinda confuse. I dig Internet is LCS, but I check my case back in home are SCS.
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yeah it's better to check the model number first hehe

QUOTE(ashraf095 @ Jun 29 2015, 09:54 PM)
Not that new lah. I bought it before liteon s900 available in our market.
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i know. i am referring to the liteon ssd website. that's the latest from liteon in that category smile.gif
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Hai guys.. is this model ok? APACER AST680S THUNDERBIRD SSD
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Hai guys.. is this model ok? APACER AST680S THUNDERBIRD SSD
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this is a new drive which is still lacking of reviews i guess.

the product information is kind of confusing. in the product specification page it's said it uses mlc nand flash. (http://ap.apacer.com/products/specification/Solid-State-Drive-Thundebird-AST680S) however in the product catalog it's said it uses tlc chip. (available at the download page of the same product) not sure which is which hehe.

wait for a proper review first if you're interested.
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hi,

may i know what's the best bang for buck 120gb ssd right now?
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hi,

may i know what's the best bang for buck 120gb ssd right now?
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Maybe the Liteon 900S 128GB?
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Hi everyone, i did some research in SSD but i need some advice because i am still confuse on which brand is reliable due to my latest storage device experience is SSHD in my MACbook pro...

i planing to get a laptop, primary M.2 SSD will be 512GB Samsung 850evo in RM880 (it only provide Samsung...). Not sure the new TLC technology ok anot. Or i will get other brand and install by myself.
And primary HDD bay i am planing to get a Transcend 370 512GB because the price around RM670 or top up to 850evo 512GB.
Researched in different forums some say 850evo should be ok but some say TLC cant be trusted... Any better to advice?

MY setup will be Primary M.2 ssd separate to 2 OS, MAC OS and Window.
the primary HDD bay will formatted in NTFS for Data use.

Please advice. THX

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QUOTE(koinmove @ Jul 4 2015, 11:27 PM)
Hi everyone, i did some research in SSD but i need some advice because i am still confuse on which brand is reliable due to my latest storage device experience is SSHD in my MACbook pro...

i planing to get a laptop, primary M.2 SSD will be 512GB Samsung 850evo in RM880 (it only provide Samsung...). Not sure the new TLC technology ok anot. Or i will get other brand and install by myself.
And primary HDD bay i am planing to get a Transcend 370 512GB because the price around RM670 or top up to 850evo 512GB.
Researched in different forums some say 850evo should be ok but some say TLC cant be trusted... Any better to advice?

MY setup will be Primary M.2 ssd separate to 2 OS, MAC OS and Window.
the primary HDD bay will formatted in NTFS for Data use.

Please advice. THX
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first, sshd is not ssd. what's wrong with your sshd by the way?

about reliability, from my limited experience, ssd is reliable for day-to-day usage, as long as you have a better practice in managing and optimizing them (e.g. ssd optimizations; good over provisioning; use hdd for downloads and storage only; use ramdisk to house temp and web cache folders, etc.). none of my ssds fail in terms of general use. none give me data loss. (laptops and desktops. some of them are more than 3 years old, and they are still at 100% health. one example is the plextor m5 pro xtreme 512gb) all in all, you get what you pay for. btw is your m.2 ssd a pcie type or sata?

as for tlc technology, the fact is that it will be replacing almost all mainstream drives really soon. again for general use, no issues so far (based on 840 evo. yeah it has some tlc-related bugs which was fixed in the latest firmware upgrade. tbh if they were careful enough, we consumers will most likely never found that out). the supporting technologies around tlc are getting better these days, via things like rapid mode, slc emulations. all these are bringing tlc performance very close to mlc chips. however, if you have the option to choose between tlc or mlc now, get synchronous mlc drives, for several reasons. (i.e. better physical characteristics, higher p/e cycles and things like that) it's not that tlc technology cannot be trusted. it's the company that produce it failed to give a timely firmware fix, and a win-win solution to resolve things when bad things happened to their products. samsung 840 evo happened to be the most favorable consumer drive before the news broke out.


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hello sifus..i read through this v5 forum..i kinda got the conclusion of:

- lite-on 900s choice for everyone (general use)
- v300 not worth the cash

I got an offer for GSkill Phoenix 120gb at RM190 each (thinking of RAID, or buy 2 so one dedicated for gaming one for windows).
Never heard of GSkill except for their ripjaws i own

so which should i go for if I want to prepare for this November Nuclear Holocaust,

- Samsung 850 EVO 250gb
- LiteOn 900S 256gb
- Others?

Budget can be higher but of course, prefer lower...RM500-600..

Thank you.


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post Jul 6 2015, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(y4ng @ Jul 6 2015, 09:06 AM)
hello sifus..i read through this v5 forum..i kinda got the conclusion of:

- lite-on 900s choice for everyone (general use)
- v300 not worth the cash

I got an offer for GSkill Phoenix 120gb at RM190 each (thinking of RAID, or buy 2 so one dedicated for gaming one for windows).
Never heard of GSkill except for their ripjaws i own

so which should i go for if I want to prepare for this November Nuclear Holocaust,

- Samsung 850 EVO 250gb
- LiteOn 900S 256gb
- Others?

Budget can be higher but of course, prefer lower...RM500-600..

Thank you.
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in short, as of now, liteon is a good buy, especially its relative price points, and their many advantages (e.g. reputation, internal components, etc.)

what's the exact model for that g.skill ssd? it might be the older sata2 (3Gb/s) model (max r/w speed around 250MB/s. it might be lower). if you're getting a phoenix iii at myr 190, then you have gotten a good deal. it's selling at usd 188+ at newegg.

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post Jul 6 2015, 12:27 PM

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Hai guy.. i already decided to buy liteon 900s 256gb.. if i go to lowyat, which recommended shop selling this item?
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post Jul 6 2015, 01:05 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ Jul 6 2015, 10:44 AM)
in short, as of now, liteon is a good buy, especially its relative price points, and their many advantages (e.g. reputation, internal components, etc.)

what's the exact model for that g.skill ssd? it might be the older sata2 (3Gb/s) model (max r/w speed around 250MB/s. it might be lower). if you're getting a phoenix iii at myr 190, then you have gotten a good deal. it's selling at usd 188+ at newegg.
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hmm..so it goes down to 900S or Phoneix III, can I know how good is G Skill? Not much review here in Malaysia =\

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