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Lets continue the discussion here...

This post has been edited by earl-ku: Aug 17 2013, 11:09 PM

A Beginners Guide to Folding Bikes
This is started off by etigge and earl-ku, if anyone else has anything to contribute, please do let me know.

1) How much should i be spending?




2) Whats Brands are there?



3) what to look out for when buying your foldies




4) What are the basic mods i can perform?



5) What accesories should i start off with?



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This post has been edited by earl-ku: Oct 2 2013, 04:21 AM

noted

reporting In ~~~!!

So excited for tomorrow KL Rides Session

i have a reserved post there ... anything you guys wanna place there ...

anyone has any favorite folding bike shop they would like to put there ...

Congratz on V2

E V E N T S T H A T F E L L O W C Y C L I S T S O R G A N I Z E
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Merdeka Social Ride organised by Sam Cheong: http://malaysianfoldies.rocks.it/

Date: 31st August 2013
Time: 7:30 am
Place: Meet at Monument Alaf Baru

Ride: 19 km loop around Putrajaya, about 2 hours to finish the course
Catered group: Beginners (slow riding )
Park where: Area near Monument Alaf Baru

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This post has been edited by budgee: Aug 27 2013, 09:25 PM

Congrate for V2...

Why change title? I think last time title better... now title seem like only limit to few brand...

great cycling session session today with you guys !

earl-ku - share the photos, poison more ppl join nx time

congrats on v2.. got whatsapp group?

hi all, i would like to ask... doppelganger not favourable here? why is that so..? thanks

is all folding bike can be customized? say brakes.. FD, RD... and such... i was in MTB before, now looking to get a foldable bike..


This post has been edited by ggMing: Aug 18 2013, 10:21 PM

Yaloh, like me, looking at other brands, cannot join lah...

This morning's ride: Doppelganger, among others...

that red doppel? thats a spot on

what model is that... love that racing bike handle

that red bike is a doppel, belongs to theotheryun. Where are you? Theotheryun? modified kao kao with hydraulic brake sum more..

like the foldable MTB too! as well as javafit, did not know such value for money bikes also got...

earl-ku

bro, how's the folding mechanism of the Change?
the bike very interesting... can compare with montague...

saw ur post on this bike, made a search...
frame only is also available.. seems affordable...

how else can you fold a bicycle.....



This post has been edited by H2D: Aug 18 2013, 11:04 PM

hahaha not enough space ... i can remove them if thats the case hahaha

theotheryun has a red one ...

the folding mechanism seems to be sturdier than montague ...

the montague is american ... and change is taiwanese ...

the folding is a bit troublesome at times ...

Nice one guy.. Just came back from jitra, pay a visit to the shop that we got the eco 7 from. Wana get a bike for my son, and got the bike that look like scrambler for him. Saw last 3 unit dahon there, red eco7, blue mup8 and espresso. All is old stock, ask the owner whether will order new stock, he say if somebody want he will order as it was different from these old stock. The quality not the same..

troublesome is not a problem...
solid it has to be... for off road bashing....

this bike is rare, even in taiwan...
great that u can get ur hands on one...

once u get the hang of it then folding it will be easier ... easier ... but not a breeze ...

yeah there is a few videos of them using the bike on some mtb trail ...

mine is a monocoque fork ... and there was a wild though of replacing that with a suspension fork ...

This post has been edited by earl-ku: Aug 19 2013, 12:28 AM

mostly all can be customized


ah
dat is miragen 217


wher got modified kao kao la
change tyre n rear brake ony

haiz
im tired
will post again later on
daa

cheers

Wow...how much is that changebike? Looks great.
Imported from Taiwan?

This post has been edited by ahsam1212: Aug 19 2013, 01:50 AM

Pindah to new thread. Woot

Have a ride with group of foldie that came to Setia Alam for joining Half Marathon New Balance route. 21km in total. Damn, lots of them riding poisonous bike! There is two Mouton to start with. Pauline Lee who are the organizer with her touring Moulton which she get it from Melbourne. She even have a Brompton. Then there is a guy from Kota Kemuning also with his shiny chrome Moulton!

Then there is a few Bike Friday. The highlight is a custom made Wheelsport foldie. The rider are actually a Taiwanese couple and the guy is the designer for Wheelsport! Some say he own Wheelsport too.

Another white bike looks like Airnimal foldie. There is also Vanesnesa and Brian from Vans Urban riding a Tern P9 and Link C7.

What an event! Just when I thought it is just a normal foldie event and turned up to be such a glamorous folding bike. There I am with my humble Raleigh Ugo. Very malu lah. Hahaha


This is the Moulton TSR


Very nice event..

This post has been edited by adriankhoo153: Aug 19 2013, 08:10 AM

We just ride with what we can afford. Most important is to have fun and also sweat out a bit at the same time. After so long I still ride my humble Dahon Eco C7 and so does my wife. It's fine with me, even from Kuala Kubu Bahru to Fraser's Hill and a friend of mine rides the Kalaq also can reach Fraser's Hill. It's the engine that's important.

Feeling inferior seeing others in expensive bikes is usual but feeling proud and arrogant seeing others in cheaper bikes is also usual. But feeling dissapointed when failing to catch up with the inferior bikes is even more pronounced! Hahahaha.

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This post has been edited by etigge: Aug 19 2013, 09:09 AM

The bike there are awesome. Take very little effort for them on hill climbing and pedaling. I can see the different between a powerhorse and a entry level folding bike. The normal cruising speed is about 25kmh.
My passion towards a foldie is burning high. Lusting for more power.

Hmm, am thinking of Tern P9 perhaps?

Ya, my cruising speed is from 22 to 28 km/hour.... on well rested legs.. heh heh..

U r on Tern P9?

almost similar, but with more gears ... Tern verge p18

When we see other bikes better than ours, we just admire lah. But no one can claim his bike to be the best, as there will always be someone with a better bike or perceived higher value bike. The key word is perception.
If you think your bike is good, it is good.

We do what we can with our limited money, lah. If you can afford it, go for it. But not at the expense of our daily necessities or future needs like life savings, children's education, medical expenses.

Have you seen the type of bikes that most Dutch people ride? It is mostly functional, it just gets you from A to B. Their bike carriers can be made of discarded wooden boxes. Not glamourous, high specs or what.
Their bikes are Practical! Which means their bikes are saving them money for other uses, instead of them spending more money on their bikes.... heh heh.

And this makes sense to me. I have two bikes. One is Tern - that one for weekend rides and occasionally ride from PJ to KL to work. The other one I use amost daily - an old bike (24 inch steel and very rusty bike) to the LRT station, lock and park it there for free. My car is parked at friend's house for minimum charge, still got to pay lah.
Ride about 2 km to LRT. So I save parking of RM3 and save some petrol going to the LRT worth about RM1. I get some exercise too and for that I put a value of about RM0.50 (instead of going to the Gym which costs me RM3 a day, whether I use the gym or not)

Daily savings of RM4.50 is RM22.50 a week. And as it comes to RM90 a month can pay for my phone bill already..

So what do I think of my 24" run down bike and with almost all the spokes are rusty? To me it is a tool that is PUTTING money in my pocket.

What do other people think of my bike? It is run down and needs to be put in the scrap yard.

Nevermind what other people think lah, then .. what you think is more important, right?

Wow, expensive bike!
Btw, where go u get your bike from?
Any place selling better price for Tern other than Rodalink or Vans Urban?

Nicely said bro..nicely said..

Bought from rodalink at about RM3.4 K, Got a 10% discount.

Vans Urban sometimes can give very good discount for some of their display demo bikes.

Once, they had a speedy Tern Verge X10 which is list price at RM5.4 K was about RM4.4K, I think.

Keep a look out on their Facebook page, sometimes really good offers. I got a RM80 tern carry on bag, at 50% discount ! Aiya, should have bought one more, lah.

van is also selling bike Friday.

Tern P9 is a good choice. Speed is about your stamina and also how hard can you pedal. Also your bike's weight is crucial too. If you want speed in your folding bike, Dahon Dash is good and if you can still find the Hammerhead which is sub 10 kg, you found gold! The Kinetix Pro rims is a standard feature of the Hammerhead.



When I was coming down from Genting Peras, at the kampong flats, me and wife also can do 25km/h to 27 km/h average and so did a few more on the Dahon MU P8, KHS F20 even the Kalaq, in addition to mine and wife's Dahon Eco C7. But the point is we know it's only another 10 km run till the coffee shop, but can we go further??? It's endurance also. How long can we last pedalling at high gear? We also need to pace ourselves, know the route well or find out about the route.

Reminds me of a story my friend told me. There was this jamboree trip and there was a thousand riders. As with Jamboree riders, MOST don't know the route and were never well prepared. So the ride started and my friend who knew the route well was starting slowly and his riding companion ask him to hurry. He said, " No worries, with the pace they started off, most won't finish". And he was right, only a small group lasted till the end. Just like the Penang round island ride, half way, most of them were on the municipal lorries. Still the best is riding constantly and increasing your speed as you get used to it. A good training is Putrajaya. In the beginning, I started with using the whole range of the 7 speed. Eco C7 is a 7 speed bike. Then after a few rides, i never used the largest 2 cog. Now, I don't shift at all, maintaining at 52T X 13T, eventhough I have 27 speed. It's never about the bike, it all your own's capability.

I will give a good tip for those who are not really into upgrades. Upgrading a front crank is expensive, we all know it. What you can do is , change the front crank to double, like 50/39 or better still 50/36, very ideal compromise. (can get second hand ones in BBS) Other than that, nothing else. If you ride mainly on flats, use the bigger crank and if on trips to Genting Sempah, Genting Peras or Fraser's Hill, manually shift the chain to the lower ring and used that for the whole trip.

Last week another rider kaki of mine bought a KHS F20. It was actually an 8 speeder but the shop has added a double crank to the bike making it 16 speed. He got it for 1.5K from GW cycle (give and take a little, depending on how good your bargaining power is ). It's light, much lighter than my Eco C7 and it's fast too. I hear there's another importer for KHS somewhere in Klang and some say it's cheaper than FB Bikes and GW. Check it out.

@bold : what's the price for old model ?

Thanks for the precious tips bro. I think for now I am gonna cycle a lil bit longer with my Raleigh and from there on, will only think bout getting another bike for myself.

FYI I'm selling off my doppelganger 202. Asking RM750. Pics and specs at the link below:
http://bicyclebuysell.com/view_item.php?id=214074

for now i tink ive settled with the bike
the plan to upgrade is still there
but not a priority animor
no rush
or myb i wont
myb just buy another bike
myb la kan
its just dat for now i satisfied with de bike
perhaps better tyre n brake is all it need
yes its heavy n ony got 7 speed
but i tink dats gud for me
to train mysef
some said bad bicycle make a better rider
hehe

anyway i realy like dis maxxis dth
suits me just fine
on n off dividers
potholes n bumps
sands n dirts
i can off the roads whenever i can whenever i want
tho not as extreme as the broken jetstream guy
i hope my bike can endure it all
for quite a long time
i cant help it but to tink dat broken jetstream died happily
hehe

u r lucky to have ur bike
or
ur bike r lucky to have u

cheers

I think I manage to locate the source of the creaking sound... its from the seat...

I read that it will need some cleaning on the post and clamps...

And some ceramic grease required on the saddle rail...

What else can I do and where can I get some ceramic grease... some say toothpaste should work too or should I get some normal grease from the hardware shop?

ok, so i notice the miragen 217 has got shocks... where other models dont have... hmm.. its also heavier... during my mtb time, i had a hardtail... now that i see both front and rear of the 217 has got shocks, does this mean its going to be harder to pedal or takes more effort to pedal on the road?

Hahaha!!!! Kesian... Don't let that shiny Moulton intimidate you.. Its probably brought out for parade on social rides.. hahaha!!! BTW, the owner, Finty, he started with a Dahon Speed P8.

Setia Alam is orang kaya township la bro, so, Van cycles also very smart in placing their store there.. Strategic... You will meet people where "money is no object", but with Orang Kaya in this case, they would only go for social rides la.. Tayang basikal.. hahaha! Anything more than that, too "hard" for them la..

People who really ride their foldies, tak kira specs and class. They don't even have time to lepak in bike shops, and all they crave is the "next big adventure", so, that said, jangan kecik hati, keep on riding!



Ride you foldie in good health!

Sam

bro, have you had other bike prior to this??
other doppels weight 12.3kg average out...
miragen weights 15kg.. and with front and rear shocks?
whats your take on the shocks for road cycling?

bro yun had written a bit bout this bike in post 1946
this will save him abit frm typing again...

thanks bro..

not realy
cuz de shocks is quite hard so u probably pedal de same
well
the shocks actually not realy absorbing (at least its not as u might expect it) but it does its job more or less
but i tink if its a hardtail n rigid fork i still ok with it
but saying this i dont have any other bike nor ride any other bike
so cant realy compare to it
if u want dis bike cuz of the shocks u might be dissappointed
i did
but then now i dont realy mind animor
if u want road cycling folding bike take a look at this or this
they r more proper mini velo for road cycling
take a look at this for example of mod of what can u do to it
dat fledermaus got realy nice mod damn!
me im planning to get de vantage in future
hehe
but then if u still want a doppelganger dat is
thers still many choices out there

cheers

thank you for your reply.. im looking for something mainly for the roads... but i also need something that allow me for some very light offroad..

what about the louisgarneau brand..

of course, it would be good to spend on a bike... but i very much prefer to upgrade it... ive read that dahon are somehow harder to upgrade due to their own fixtures on things... i dont fully understand folding bike yet...

but i hope i can upgrade stuff like fd,rd,crankset and brakes...
thinking to get the tern P9 but i dont know whats good about that bike...

the groupsets and such also branded other diff names... eg: my MTB, uses SLX, which that time, is the best from shimano... but i dont think i can fit that here right? or i could?

these are all small things i need to find out before i commit to a bike... any help would be appreciated while i go thru 2.5k post to have a better understanding and idea on folding bikes

this blog will ans alot of ur Q.
http://handsonbike.blogspot.com/2013/03/gu...dahon-tern.html

n also search for other sites/blogs about folding bikes... to learn more...

This post has been edited by H2D: Aug 19 2013, 01:32 PM

ah
im promoting de vantage n fledermaus
again
no im not a doppelganger salesman
hehe

and for expensive folding bike
well
if one can afford it why not?
say if they want to sell it later
its a bargain to others
dat is if they want to sell it at cheap price la kan
those bikes even second hand one is still expensives.damn
hehe

if miragen 217 (and other foldies that is non-neos rd) yes u can
like dis miragen

eco is 1k, mup8 is 2.2k no idea about espresso, didnt bother to ask.. too bz with the small one choosing his first bike.

Shocks on normal road will surely give you shock absorbing features (potholes, bumpers) but eventually most will agree that you'll feel tired faster

Anyway, i have my shocks turned on all the way

What to malu.. U be part of them...

Who dare.. to laugh at U. U big leg, can smoke any other with even bangla bike..hahahaha...

Just wonder what setting on their bike.? frint 56T back 11T?

Wow... Nice say and totally agree with U Bro... We here to enjoy cycling..

Wow.... This is very useful to newbie like me.. Thank U very much for the advice...

I think before change to new bike try change tire first, see can it fulfill ur need...

Definitely will make a difference.

The tires should be the skinny slick type, pump it up hard 70 to 80 psi. Acceleration also faster because these tires are lighter.


see the racing bikes and what tires they use... ultremo, durano

Their bike? I heard 42T with 24 speed with Moulton TSR.

This post has been edited by adriankhoo153: Aug 19 2013, 03:05 PM

But if I were to change I would buy BA. Can go offroad a bit lor. If Kojak or Durano etc will virate too hard. Ass also pain. But of course they are fast lah.

Do u mean the guy with chrome moulton name is Finty?

Actually I see a lot part reduce weight etc that cost a bomb to upgrade. Is it really worth the upgrade? I mean when my 1ltr bottle water on full, it already weight almost 1kg but I dun feel any weight 'reduction' when by the time I almost drink it all? Some part save as 'much' as 200g etc but I mean, really any different?

If add up all and let u reduce 1kg, will u feel the different when u cycle? If really yes is the anwer, then I think reducing your weight will be more better.

Haha

hi all

im looking for a foldie. anyone can recommend any good foldie?

i only use it occasionally, so a basic specs will do

And what is your budget?

im getting 2 of them. so roughly 1.5k for 2?

Anything less than 1k each...go bike shop just choose color...

Yup

Sam

U can either get a china brand name Xds which come with a better component but I recommend you to get Raleigh Ugo instead. Try to search around.
RRP at RM900 but most shop selling it for RM700

Btw, i am using Raleigh Ugo too.




This post has been edited by adriankhoo153: Aug 19 2013, 03:51 PM

i reckon the raleigh ugo or louis garneau would be a good choice, costing between 800 - 900 respectively

n those r interested with the full size folding ChangeBike, this shop here in penang does stock em

link

for a moment i thought we're in the Mountain Biking thread

btw there r differences for folding bike below rm1k, unless mtb which they claim all r the same for below rm2k

for less than 1k, pretty sure dahons don't come with quick release wheelset, let alone double wall rim

but the raleigh ugo has both, n i think they make a lot of difference in terms of convenience n durability

Ohh, icic. I yumcha with him and we talk bout foldie such as AM and Bromtification thingy that morning but didn't know his name.

Dun be too harsh bro.. It's not like it's a hardtail mtb which u only choose colour.
Below Rm1k foldie u still can choose either 7 or 8 speed gear, steel or alum body, and can even get Dahon Vybe C7S
And yes, i forgot LGS Pop. A nice folding bike too with 8 speed bike. Cost a little more than Raleigh at Rm850. Raleigh Ugo my cousin just get it at Melaka at RM680 which is a steal. I got mine at Setia Alam at Rm700.
If u fancy some replica and nice design, u can get Hummer replica at Rm850 too.

This post has been edited by adriankhoo153: Aug 19 2013, 03:54 PM

Alamak...



Well, Finty is one of those guys who are very humble... Even after all these years, he never lagak sombong.. A true gem among the Brommie and Moultonists in Malaysia..

SAm

saw this @ kalachia FB,,,,

time to get folding bike??

Yes yes, he is the guy.. Very down to earth and humble talking guy. Not cocky at all. Another gem is Pauline which is also very humble and nice to talk to. I know Pauline first as we did weekly riding at Setia Alam.

samosaurus, do u happen to know anything bout flexible stem on dahon boardwalk d7?

i have one n the stem is adjustable n while it was stiff at first, it's become way to flexy to ride confidently atm

is it a design problem or a qc issue?

ic ic.. thanks bro

will check the shop in citta mall for it this weekend.

do you recommend any store in KV?

Nope, i dun have any preference so far.
Hence u can buy at any shop which offer cheaper pricetag.
Of course, it's better to buy near your house as if there is any problem, just cycle there to do it.
There will be on and off adjustment need to be done and fine tune at the gear when newly bought.

ANEMOS ZIPPY...

the construction
http://www.77bike.com/bbs/read.php?tid=83112

yep this anemos oso copies bike friday...

alot of info there for chinese readers...

now camp here adi?

haha... ...camping once a while

good... good... dun go overboard with this stuff...

understood boss. ..camping here to get fed by uncle Sam and ettigue with info

haha... tats dangerous...

folding bike got too many temptatious things to pasang...