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post Aug 17 2013, 11:07 PM, updated 7y ago

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This thread has came a long way and this is the second version of the original - v1

Lets continue the discussion here...

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A Beginners Guide to Folding Bikes
This is started off by etigge and earl-ku, if anyone else has anything to contribute, please do let me know.

1) How much should i be spending?

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2) Whats Brands are there?
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3) what to look out for when buying your foldies

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Do join us at https://www.facebook.com/lowyat.folding.bike for more pictures ... Group created by robyn

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reporting In ~~~!!

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post Aug 17 2013, 11:49 PM

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i have a reserved post there ... anything you guys wanna place there ...

anyone has any favorite folding bike shop they would like to put there ...
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E V E N T S T H A T F E L L O W C Y C L I S T S O R G A N I Z E
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Merdeka Social Ride organised by Sam Cheong: http://malaysianfoldies.rocks.it/

Date: 31st August 2013
Time: 7:30 am
Place: Meet at Monument Alaf Baru

Ride: 19 km loop around Putrajaya, about 2 hours to finish the course
Catered group: Beginners (slow riding )
Park where: Area near Monument Alaf Baru

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Congrate for V2...smile.gif

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Why change title? I think last time title better... now title seem like only limit to few brand...
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great cycling session session today with you guys !

earl-ku - share the photos, poison more ppl join nx time laugh.gif
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congrats on v2.. got whatsapp group?
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hi all, i would like to ask... doppelganger not favourable here? why is that so..? thanks

is all folding bike can be customized? say brakes.. FD, RD... and such... i was in MTB before, now looking to get a foldable bike..


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Yaloh, like me, looking at other brands, cannot join lah...
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This morning's ride: Doppelganger, among others... smile.gif


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that red doppel? thats a spot on
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what model is that... love that racing bike handle
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that red bike is a doppel, belongs to theotheryun. Where are you? Theotheryun? modified kao kao with hydraulic brake sum more..
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like the foldable MTB too! as well as javafit, did not know such value for money bikes also got...
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bro, how's the folding mechanism of the Change?
the bike very interesting... can compare with montague...

saw ur post on this bike, made a search...
frame only is also available.. seems affordable... smile.gif

how else can you fold a bicycle..... tongue.gif



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QUOTE(gilbertlhl @ Aug 18 2013, 04:46 PM)
Why change title? I think last time title better... now title seem like only limit to few brand...
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hahaha not enough space ... i can remove them if thats the case hahaha

QUOTE(ggMing @ Aug 18 2013, 10:19 PM)
hi all, i would like to ask... doppelganger not favourable here? why is that so..? thanks

is all folding bike can be customized? say brakes.. FD, RD... and such... i was in MTB before, now looking to get a foldable bike..
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theotheryun has a red one ...
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QUOTE(H2D @ Aug 18 2013, 10:48 PM)
earl-ku

bro, how's the  folding mechanism of the Change?
the bike very interesting... can compare with montague...

saw ur post on this bike, made a search...
frame only is also available.. seems affordable... smile.gif

how else can you fold a bicycle.....  tongue.gif


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the folding mechanism seems to be sturdier than montague ...

the montague is american ... and change is taiwanese ...

the folding is a bit troublesome at times ...
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Nice one guy.. Just came back from jitra, pay a visit to the shop that we got the eco 7 from. Wana get a bike for my son, and got the bike that look like scrambler for him. Saw last 3 unit dahon there, red eco7, blue mup8 and espresso. All is old stock, ask the owner whether will order new stock, he say if somebody want he will order as it was different from these old stock. The quality not the same..
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QUOTE(earl-ku @ Aug 18 2013, 11:46 PM)
the folding mechanism seems to be sturdier than montague ...
the montague is american ... and change is taiwanese ...
the folding is a bit troublesome at times ...
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troublesome is not a problem...
solid it has to be... for off road bashing.... biggrin.gif

this bike is rare, even in taiwan...
great that u can get ur hands on one...
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troublesome is not a problem...
solid it has to be... for off road bashing....  biggrin.gif

this bike is rare, even in taiwan...
great that u can get ur hands on one...
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once u get the hang of it then folding it will be easier ... easier ... but not a breeze ...

yeah there is a few videos of them using the bike on some mtb trail ...

mine is a monocoque fork ... and there was a wild though of replacing that with a suspension fork ...

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QUOTE(ggMing @ Aug 18 2013, 10:19 PM)
hi all, i would like to ask... doppelganger not favourable here? why is that so..? thanks

is all folding bike can be customized? say brakes.. FD, RD... and such... i was in MTB before, now looking to get a foldable bike..
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mostly all can be customized


QUOTE(ggMing @ Aug 18 2013, 10:41 PM)
what model is that... love that racing bike handle
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QUOTE(budgee @ Aug 18 2013, 10:43 PM)
that red bike is a doppel, belongs to theotheryun.    Where are you?  Theotheryun?  modified kao kao with hydraulic brake sum more..
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wher got modified kao kao la
change tyre n rear brake ony

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im tired
will post again later on
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Wow...how much is that changebike? Looks great.
Imported from Taiwan?

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Pindah to new thread. Woot

Have a ride with group of foldie that came to Setia Alam for joining Half Marathon New Balance route. 21km in total. Damn, lots of them riding poisonous bike! There is two Mouton to start with. Pauline Lee who are the organizer with her touring Moulton which she get it from Melbourne. She even have a Brompton. Then there is a guy from Kota Kemuning also with his shiny chrome Moulton!

Then there is a few Bike Friday. The highlight is a custom made Wheelsport foldie. The rider are actually a Taiwanese couple and the guy is the designer for Wheelsport! Some say he own Wheelsport too.

Another white bike looks like Airnimal foldie. There is also Vanesnesa and Brian from Vans Urban riding a Tern P9 and Link C7.

What an event! Just when I thought it is just a normal foldie event and turned up to be such a glamorous folding bike. There I am with my humble Raleigh Ugo. Very malu lah. Hahaha

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QUOTE(adriankhoo153 @ Aug 19 2013, 07:58 AM)
Pindah to new thread. Woot

Have a ride with group of foldie that came to Setia Alam for joining Half Marathon New Balance route. 21km in total. Damn, lots of them riding poisonous bike! There is two Mouton to start with. Pauline Lee who are the organizer with her touring Moulton which she get it from Melbourne. She even have a Brompton. Then there is a guy from Kota Kemuning also with his shiny chrome Moulton!

Then there is a few Bike Friday. The highlight is a custom made Wheelsport foldie. The rider are actually a Taiwanese couple and the guy is the designer for Wheelsport! Some say he own Wheelsport too.

Another white bike looks like Airnimal foldie. There is also Vanesnesa and Brian from Vans Urban riding a Tern P9 and Link C7.

What an event! Just when I thought it is just a normal foldie event and turned up to be such a glamorous folding bike. There I am with my humble Raleigh Ugo. Very malu lah. Hahaha

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Very nice event..  icon_rolleyes.gif
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We just ride with what we can afford. Most important is to have fun and also sweat out a bit at the same time. After so long I still ride my humble Dahon Eco C7 and so does my wife. It's fine with me, even from Kuala Kubu Bahru to Fraser's Hill and a friend of mine rides the Kalaq tongue.gif also can reach Fraser's Hill. It's the engine that's important. icon_rolleyes.gif

Feeling inferior seeing others in expensive bikes is usual but feeling proud and arrogant seeing others in cheaper bikes is also usual. But feeling dissapointed when failing to catch up with the inferior bikes is even more pronounced! Hahahaha. tongue.gif
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post Aug 19 2013, 09:29 AM

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We just ride with what we can afford. Most important is to have fun and also sweat out a bit at the same time. After so long I still ride my humble Dahon Eco C7 and so does my wife. It's fine with me, even from Kuala Kubu Bahru to Fraser's Hill and a friend of mine rides the Kalaq  tongue.gif  also can reach Fraser's Hill. It's the engine that's important.  icon_rolleyes.gif

Feeling inferior seeing others in expensive bikes is usual but feeling proud and arrogant seeing others in cheaper bikes is also usual. But feeling dissapointed when failing to catch up with the inferior bikes is even more pronounced! Hahahaha. tongue.gif
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The bike there are awesome. Take very little effort for them on hill climbing and pedaling. I can see the different between a powerhorse and a entry level folding bike. The normal cruising speed is about 25kmh. drool.gif
My passion towards a foldie is burning high. Lusting for more power. brows.gif

Hmm, am thinking of Tern P9 perhaps? icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(adriankhoo153 @ Aug 19 2013, 09:29 AM)
The bike there are awesome. Take very little effort for them on hill climbing and pedaling. I can see the different between a powerhorse and a entry level folding bike. The normal cruising speed is about 25kmh.  drool.gif
My passion towards a foldie is burning high. Lusting for more power.  brows.gif

Hmm, am thinking of Tern P9 perhaps?  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Ya, my cruising speed is from 22 to 28 km/hour.... on well rested legs.. heh heh..
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Ya,  my cruising speed is from 22 to 28 km/hour....  on well rested legs.. heh heh..
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U r on Tern P9?
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QUOTE(adriankhoo153 @ Aug 19 2013, 09:39 AM)
U r on Tern P9?
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almost similar, but with more gears ... Tern verge p18
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When we see other bikes better than ours, we just admire lah. But no one can claim his bike to be the best, as there will always be someone with a better bike or perceived higher value bike. The key word is perception.
If you think your bike is good, it is good.

We do what we can with our limited money, lah. If you can afford it, go for it. But not at the expense of our daily necessities or future needs like life savings, children's education, medical expenses.

Have you seen the type of bikes that most Dutch people ride? It is mostly functional, it just gets you from A to B. Their bike carriers can be made of discarded wooden boxes. Not glamourous, high specs or what.
Their bikes are Practical! Which means their bikes are saving them money for other uses, instead of them spending more money on their bikes.... heh heh.

And this makes sense to me. I have two bikes. One is Tern - that one for weekend rides and occasionally ride from PJ to KL to work. The other one I use amost daily - an old bike (24 inch steel and very rusty bike) to the LRT station, lock and park it there for free. My car is parked at friend's house for minimum charge, still got to pay lah.
Ride about 2 km to LRT. So I save parking of RM3 and save some petrol going to the LRT worth about RM1. I get some exercise too and for that I put a value of about RM0.50 (instead of going to the Gym which costs me RM3 a day, whether I use the gym or not)

Daily savings of RM4.50 is RM22.50 a week. And as it comes to RM90 a month can pay for my phone bill already..

So what do I think of my 24" run down bike and with almost all the spokes are rusty? To me it is a tool that is PUTTING money in my pocket.

What do other people think of my bike? It is run down and needs to be put in the scrap yard.

Nevermind what other people think lah, then .. what you think is more important, right?


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QUOTE(budgee @ Aug 19 2013, 09:39 AM)
almost similar, but with more gears ...  Tern verge p18
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Wow, expensive bike! thumbup.gif
Btw, where go u get your bike from?
Any place selling better price for Tern other than Rodalink or Vans Urban?
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QUOTE(budgee @ Aug 19 2013, 09:40 AM)
When we see other bikes better than ours, we just admire lah.  But no one can claim his bike to be the best, as there will always be someone with a better bike or perceived higher value bike.  The key word is perception.
If you think your bike is good, it is good.

We do what we can with our limited money, lah.  If you can afford it, go for it.  But not at the expense of our daily necessities or future needs like life savings, children's education, medical expenses.

Have you seen the type of bikes that most Dutch people ride?  It is mostly functional, it just gets you from A to B.  Their bike carriers can be made of discarded wooden boxes.  Not glamourous, high specs or what.
Their bikes are Practical! Which means their bikes are saving them money for other uses, instead of them spending more money on their bikes....  heh heh.

And this makes sense to me.  I have two bikes.  One is Tern - that one for weekend rides and occasionally ride from PJ to KL to work.  The other one I use amost daily  - an old bike (24 inch steel and very rusty bike) to the LRT station, lock and park it there for free.  My car is parked at friend's house for minimum charge, still got to pay lah.
Ride about 2 km to LRT.    So I save parking of RM3 and save some petrol going to the LRT worth about RM1.  I get some exercise too and for that I put a value of about RM0.50 (instead of going to the Gym which costs me RM3 a day, whether I use the gym or not)

Daily savings of RM4.50 is RM22.50 a week.  And as it comes to RM90 a month can pay for my phone bill already..

So what do I think of my 24" run down bike and with almost all the spokes are rusty?  To me it is a tool that is PUTTING money in my pocket.

What do other people think of my bike?  It is run down and needs to be put in the scrap yard.

Nevermind what other people think lah, then ..    what you think is more important, right?
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QUOTE(adriankhoo153 @ Aug 19 2013, 09:41 AM)
Wow, expensive bike!  thumbup.gif
Btw, where go u get your bike from?
Any place selling better price for Tern other than Rodalink or Vans Urban?
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Bought from rodalink at about RM3.4 K, Got a 10% discount.

Vans Urban sometimes can give very good discount for some of their display demo bikes.

Once, they had a speedy Tern Verge X10 which is list price at RM5.4 K was about RM4.4K, I think.

Keep a look out on their Facebook page, sometimes really good offers. I got a RM80 tern carry on bag, at 50% discount ! Aiya, should have bought one more, lah.
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QUOTE(adriankhoo153 @ Aug 19 2013, 09:29 AM)
The bike there are awesome. Take very little effort for them on hill climbing and pedaling. I can see the different between a powerhorse and a entry level folding bike. The normal cruising speed is about 25kmh.  drool.gif
My passion towards a foldie is burning high. Lusting for more power.  brows.gif

Hmm, am thinking of Tern P9 perhaps?  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Tern P9 is a good choice. thumbup.gif Speed is about your stamina and also how hard can you pedal. Also your bike's weight is crucial too. If you want speed in your folding bike, Dahon Dash is good and if you can still find the Hammerhead which is sub 10 kg, you found gold! thumbup.gif The Kinetix Pro rims is a standard feature of the Hammerhead.

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When I was coming down from Genting Peras, at the kampong flats, me and wife also can do 25km/h to 27 km/h average and so did a few more on the Dahon MU P8, KHS F20 even the Kalaq, in addition to mine and wife's Dahon Eco C7. But the point is we know it's only another 10 km run till the coffee shop, but can we go further??? It's endurance also. How long can we last pedalling at high gear? We also need to pace ourselves, know the route well or find out about the route.

Reminds me of a story my friend told me. There was this jamboree trip and there was a thousand riders. As with Jamboree riders, MOST don't know the route and were never well prepared. So the ride started and my friend who knew the route well was starting slowly and his riding companion ask him to hurry. He said, " No worries, with the pace they started off, most won't finish". And he was right, only a small group lasted till the end. Just like the Penang round island ride, half way, most of them were on the municipal lorries. tongue.gif Still the best is riding constantly and increasing your speed as you get used to it. A good training is Putrajaya. In the beginning, I started with using the whole range of the 7 speed. Eco C7 is a 7 speed bike. Then after a few rides, i never used the largest 2 cog. Now, I don't shift at all, maintaining at 52T X 13T, eventhough I have 27 speed. It's never about the bike, it all your own's capability.

I will give a good tip for those who are not really into upgrades. Upgrading a front crank is expensive, we all know it. What you can do is , change the front crank to double, like 50/39 or better still 50/36, very ideal compromise. (can get second hand ones in BBS) Other than that, nothing else. If you ride mainly on flats, use the bigger crank and if on trips to Genting Sempah, Genting Peras or Fraser's Hill, manually shift the chain to the lower ring and used that for the whole trip.

Last week another rider kaki of mine bought a KHS F20. It was actually an 8 speeder but the shop has added a double crank to the bike making it 16 speed. He got it for 1.5K from GW cycle (give and take a little, depending on how good your bargaining power is tongue.gif ). It's light, much lighter than my Eco C7 and it's fast too. I hear there's another importer for KHS somewhere in Klang and some say it's cheaper than FB Bikes and GW. Check it out.

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QUOTE(mbax @ Aug 19 2013, 12:04 AM)
Nice one guy.. Just came back from jitra, pay a visit to the shop that we got the eco 7 from. Wana get a bike for my son, and got the bike that look like scrambler for him. Saw last 3 unit dahon there, red eco7, blue mup8 and espresso. All is old stock, ask the owner whether will order new stock, he say if somebody want he will order as it was different from these old stock. The quality not the same..
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QUOTE(etigge @ Aug 19 2013, 10:51 AM)
Tern P9 is a good choice.  thumbup.gif  Speed is about your stamina and also how hard can you pedal. Also your bike's weight is crucial too. If you want speed in your folding bike, Dahon Dash is good and if you can still find the Hammerhead which is sub 10 kg, you found gold! thumbup.gif The Kinetix Pro rims is a standard feature of the Hammerhead.

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When I was coming down from Genting Peras, at the kampong flats, me and wife also can do 25km/h to 27 km/h average and so did a few more on the Dahon MU P8, KHS F20 even the Kalaq, in addition to mine and wife's Dahon Eco C7. But the point is we know it's only another 10 km run till the coffee shop, but can we go further??? It's endurance also. How long can we last pedalling at high gear? We also need to pace ourselves, know the route well or find out about the route.

Reminds me of a story my friend told me. There was this jamboree trip and there was a thousand riders. As with Jamboree riders, MOST don't know the route and were never well prepared. So the ride started and my friend who knew the route well was starting slowly and his riding companion ask him to hurry. He said, " No worries, with the pace they started off, most won't finish". And he was right, only a small group lasted till the end. Just like the Penang round island ride, half way, most of them were on the municipal lorries.  tongue.gif  Still the best is riding constantly and increasing your speed as you get used to it. A good training is Putrajaya. In the beginning, I started with using the whole range of the 7 speed. Eco C7 is a 7 speed bike. Then after a few rides, i never used the largest 2 cog. Now, I don't shift at all, maintaining at 52T X 13T, eventhough I have 27 speed.  It's never about the bike, it all your own's capability.

I will give a good tip for those who are not really into upgrades. Upgrading a front crank is expensive, we all know it. What you can do is , change the front crank to double, like 50/39 or better still 50/36, very ideal compromise. (can get second hand ones in BBS) Other than that, nothing else. If you ride mainly on flats, use the bigger crank and if on trips to Genting Sempah, Genting Peras or Fraser's Hill, manually shift the chain to the lower ring and used that for the whole trip.

Last week another rider kaki of mine bought a KHS F20. It was actually an 8 speeder but the shop has added a double crank to the bike making it 16 speed. He got it for 1.5K from GW cycle (give and take a little, depending on how good your bargaining power is  tongue.gif ). It's light, much lighter than my Eco C7 and it's fast too. I hear there's another importer for KHS somewhere in Klang and some say it's cheaper than FB Bikes and GW. Check it out.

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Thanks for the precious tips bro. I think for now I am gonna cycle a lil bit longer with my Raleigh and from there on, will only think bout getting another bike for myself.
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for now i tink ive settled with the bike
the plan to upgrade is still there
but not a priority animor
no rush
or myb i wont
myb just buy another bike
myb la kan
its just dat for now i satisfied with de bike
perhaps better tyre n brake is all it need
yes its heavy n ony got 7 speed
but i tink dats gud for me
to train mysef
some said bad bicycle make a better rider
hehe biggrin.gif

anyway i realy like dis maxxis dth
suits me just fine
on n off dividers
potholes n bumps
sands n dirts
i can off the roads whenever i can whenever i want
tho not as extreme as the broken jetstream guy
i hope my bike can endure it all
for quite a long time sweat.gif
i cant help it but to tink dat broken jetstream died happily biggrin.gif
hehe biggrin.gif

u r lucky to have ur bike
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ur bike r lucky to have u

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I think I manage to locate the source of the creaking sound... its from the seat...

I read that it will need some cleaning on the post and clamps...

And some ceramic grease required on the saddle rail...

What else can I do and where can I get some ceramic grease... some say toothpaste should work too or should I get some normal grease from the hardware shop?
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ok, so i notice the miragen 217 has got shocks... where other models dont have... hmm.. its also heavier... during my mtb time, i had a hardtail... now that i see both front and rear of the 217 has got shocks, does this mean its going to be harder to pedal or takes more effort to pedal on the road?
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QUOTE(adriankhoo153 @ Aug 19 2013, 07:58 AM)
Pindah to new thread. Woot

Have a ride with group of foldie that came to Setia Alam for joining Half Marathon New Balance route. 21km in total. Damn, lots of them riding poisonous bike! There is two Mouton to start with. Pauline Lee who are the organizer with her touring Moulton which she get it from Melbourne. She even have a Brompton. Then there is a guy from Kota Kemuning also with his shiny chrome Moulton!

Then there is a few Bike Friday. The highlight is a custom made Wheelsport foldie. The rider are actually a Taiwanese couple and the guy is the designer for Wheelsport! Some say he own Wheelsport too.

Another white bike looks like Airnimal foldie. There is also Vanesnesa and Brian from Vans Urban riding a Tern P9 and Link C7.

What an event! Just when I thought it is just a normal foldie event and turned up to be such a glamorous folding bike. There I am with my humble Raleigh Ugo. Very malu lah. Hahaha

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Hahaha!!!! Kesian... Don't let that shiny Moulton intimidate you.. Its probably brought out for parade on social rides.. hahaha!!! BTW, the owner, Finty, he started with a Dahon Speed P8.

Setia Alam is orang kaya township la bro, so, Van cycles also very smart in placing their store there.. Strategic... You will meet people where "money is no object", but with Orang Kaya in this case, they would only go for social rides la.. Tayang basikal.. hahaha! Anything more than that, too "hard" for them la..

People who really ride their foldies, tak kira specs and class. They don't even have time to lepak in bike shops, and all they crave is the "next big adventure", so, that said, jangan kecik hati, keep on riding!

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Ride you foldie in good health!

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QUOTE(theotheryun @ Aug 19 2013, 12:18 PM)
for now i tink ive settled with the bike
the plan to upgrade is still there
but not a priority animor
no rush
or myb i wont
myb just buy another bike
myb la kan
its just dat for now i satisfied with de bike
perhaps better tyre n brake is all it need
yes its heavy n ony got 7 speed
but i tink dats gud for me
to train mysef
some said bad bicycle make a better rider
hehe biggrin.gif

anyway i realy like dis maxxis dth
suits me just fine
on n off dividers
potholes n bumps
sands n dirts
i can off the roads whenever i can whenever i want
tho not as extreme as the broken jetstream guy
i hope my bike can endure it all
for quite a long time sweat.gif
i cant help it but to tink dat broken jetstream died happily biggrin.gif
hehe biggrin.gif

u r lucky to have ur bike
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ur bike r lucky to have u

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bro, have you had other bike prior to this??
other doppels weight 12.3kg average out...
miragen weights 15kg.. and with front and rear shocks?
whats your take on the shocks for road cycling?
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QUOTE(ggMing @ Aug 19 2013, 12:35 PM)
bro, have you had other bike prior to this??
other doppels weight 12.3kg average out...
miragen weights 15kg.. and with front and rear shocks?
whats your take on the shocks for road cycling?
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bro yun had written a bit bout this bike in post 1946
this will save him abit frm typing again... biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(H2D @ Aug 19 2013, 12:52 PM)
bro yun had written a bit bout this bike in post 1946
this will save him abit frm typing again...  biggrin.gif
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thanks bro.. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(ggMing @ Aug 19 2013, 12:23 PM)
ok, so i notice the miragen 217 has got shocks... where other models dont have... hmm.. its also heavier... during my mtb time, i had a hardtail... now that i see both front and rear of the 217 has got shocks, does this mean its going to be harder to pedal or takes more effort to pedal on the road?
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QUOTE(ggMing @ Aug 19 2013, 12:35 PM)
bro, have you had other bike prior to this??
other doppels weight 12.3kg average out...
miragen weights 15kg.. and with front and rear shocks?
whats your take on the shocks for road cycling?
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not realy
cuz de shocks is quite hard so u probably pedal de same
well
the shocks actually not realy absorbing (at least its not as u might expect it) but it does its job more or less
but i tink if its a hardtail n rigid fork i still ok with it
but saying this i dont have any other bike nor ride any other bike
so cant realy compare to it
if u want dis bike cuz of the shocks u might be dissappointed
i did
but then now i dont realy mind animor tongue.gif
if u want road cycling folding bike take a look at this or this
they r more proper mini velo for road cycling
take a look at this for example of mod of what can u do to it
dat fledermaus got realy nice mod thumbup.gif damn!
me im planning to get de vantage in future
hehe tongue.gif
but then if u still want a doppelganger dat is
thers still many choices out there tongue.gif

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thank you for your reply.. im looking for something mainly for the roads... but i also need something that allow me for some very light offroad..
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what about the louisgarneau brand..
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of course, it would be good to spend on a bike... but i very much prefer to upgrade it... ive read that dahon are somehow harder to upgrade due to their own fixtures on things... i dont fully understand folding bike yet...

but i hope i can upgrade stuff like fd,rd,crankset and brakes...
thinking to get the tern P9 but i dont know whats good about that bike...

the groupsets and such also branded other diff names... eg: my MTB, uses SLX, which that time, is the best from shimano... but i dont think i can fit that here right? or i could?
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these are all small things i need to find out before i commit to a bike... any help would be appreciated while i go thru 2.5k post to have a better understanding and idea on folding bikes

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QUOTE(ggMing @ Aug 19 2013, 01:28 PM)
these are all small things i need to find out before i commit to a bike... any help would be appreciated while i go thru 2.5k post to have a better understanding and idea on folding bikes
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this blog will ans alot of ur Q. biggrin.gif
http://handsonbike.blogspot.com/2013/03/gu...dahon-tern.html

n also search for other sites/blogs about folding bikes... to learn more...

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ah
im promoting de vantage n fledermaus
again sweat.gif
no im not a doppelganger salesman
hehe

and for expensive folding bike
well
if one can afford it why not?
say if they want to sell it later
its a bargain to others
dat is if they want to sell it at cheap price la kan
those bikes even second hand one is still expensives.damn
hehe
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QUOTE(ggMing @ Aug 19 2013, 01:27 PM)
of course, it would be good to spend on a bike... but i very much prefer to upgrade it... ive read that dahon are somehow harder to upgrade due to their own fixtures on things... i dont fully understand folding bike yet...

but i hope i can upgrade stuff like fd,rd,crankset and brakes...
thinking to get the tern P9 but i dont know whats good about that bike...

the groupsets and such also branded other diff names... eg: my MTB, uses SLX, which that time, is the best from shimano... but i dont think i can fit that here right? or i could?
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if miragen 217 (and other foldies that is non-neos rd) yes u can
like dis miragen
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QUOTE(ggMing @ Aug 19 2013, 12:23 PM)
ok, so i notice the miragen 217 has got shocks... where other models dont have... hmm.. its also heavier... during my mtb time, i had a hardtail... now that i see both front and rear of the 217 has got shocks, does this mean its going to be harder to pedal or takes more effort to pedal on the road?
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Shocks on normal road will surely give you shock absorbing features (potholes, bumpers) but eventually most will agree that you'll feel tired faster hmm.gif

Anyway, i have my shocks turned on all the way icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(adriankhoo153 @ Aug 19 2013, 07:58 AM)
Pindah to new thread. Woot

Have a ride with group of foldie that came to Setia Alam for joining Half Marathon New Balance route. 21km in total. Damn, lots of them riding poisonous bike! There is two Mouton to start with. Pauline Lee who are the organizer with her touring Moulton which she get it from Melbourne. She even have a Brompton. Then there is a guy from Kota Kemuning also with his shiny chrome Moulton!

Then there is a few Bike Friday. The highlight is a custom made Wheelsport foldie. The rider are actually a Taiwanese couple and the guy is the designer for Wheelsport! Some say he own Wheelsport too.

Another white bike looks like Airnimal foldie. There is also Vanesnesa and Brian from Vans Urban riding a Tern P9 and Link C7.

What an event! Just when I thought it is just a normal foldie event and turned up to be such a glamorous folding bike. There I am with my humble Raleigh Ugo. Very malu lah. Hahaha

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What to malu.. U be part of them... tongue.gif
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QUOTE(etigge @ Aug 19 2013, 09:07 AM)
We just ride with what we can afford. Most important is to have fun and also sweat out a bit at the same time. After so long I still ride my humble Dahon Eco C7 and so does my wife. It's fine with me, even from Kuala Kubu Bahru to Fraser's Hill and a friend of mine rides the Kalaq  tongue.gif  also can reach Fraser's Hill. It's the engine that's important.  icon_rolleyes.gif

Feeling inferior seeing others in expensive bikes is usual but feeling proud and arrogant seeing others in cheaper bikes is also usual. But feeling dissapointed when failing to catch up with the inferior bikes is even more pronounced! Hahahaha. tongue.gif
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Who dare.. to laugh at U. U big leg, can smoke any other with even bangla bike..hahahaha... biggrin.gif


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The bike there are awesome. Take very little effort for them on hill climbing and pedaling. I can see the different between a powerhorse and a entry level folding bike. The normal cruising speed is about 25kmh.  drool.gif
My passion towards a foldie is burning high. Lusting for more power.  brows.gif

Hmm, am thinking of Tern P9 perhaps?  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Just wonder what setting on their bike.? frint 56T back 11T?
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QUOTE(budgee @ Aug 19 2013, 09:40 AM)
When we see other bikes better than ours, we just admire lah.  But no one can claim his bike to be the best, as there will always be someone with a better bike or perceived higher value bike.  The key word is perception.
If you think your bike is good, it is good.

We do what we can with our limited money, lah.  If you can afford it, go for it.  But not at the expense of our daily necessities or future needs like life savings, children's education, medical expenses.

Have you seen the type of bikes that most Dutch people ride?  It is mostly functional, it just gets you from A to B.  Their bike carriers can be made of discarded wooden boxes.  Not glamourous, high specs or what.
Their bikes are Practical! Which means their bikes are saving them money for other uses, instead of them spending more money on their bikes....  heh heh.

And this makes sense to me.  I have two bikes.  One is Tern - that one for weekend rides and occasionally ride from PJ to KL to work.  The other one I use amost daily  - an old bike (24 inch steel and very rusty bike) to the LRT station, lock and park it there for free.  My car is parked at friend's house for minimum charge, still got to pay lah.
Ride about 2 km to LRT.    So I save parking of RM3 and save some petrol going to the LRT worth about RM1.  I get some exercise too and for that I put a value of about RM0.50 (instead of going to the Gym which costs me RM3 a day, whether I use the gym or not)

Daily savings of RM4.50 is RM22.50 a week.  And as it comes to RM90 a month can pay for my phone bill already..

So what do I think of my 24" run down bike and with almost all the spokes are rusty?  To me it is a tool that is PUTTING money in my pocket.

What do other people think of my bike?  It is run down and needs to be put in the scrap yard.

Nevermind what other people think lah, then ..    what you think is more important, right?
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Wow... Nice say and totally agree with U Bro... We here to enjoy cycling.. rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(etigge @ Aug 19 2013, 10:51 AM)
Tern P9 is a good choice.  thumbup.gif  Speed is about your stamina and also how hard can you pedal. Also your bike's weight is crucial too. If you want speed in your folding bike, Dahon Dash is good and if you can still find the Hammerhead which is sub 10 kg, you found gold! thumbup.gif The Kinetix Pro rims is a standard feature of the Hammerhead.

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When I was coming down from Genting Peras, at the kampong flats, me and wife also can do 25km/h to 27 km/h average and so did a few more on the Dahon MU P8, KHS F20 even the Kalaq, in addition to mine and wife's Dahon Eco C7. But the point is we know it's only another 10 km run till the coffee shop, but can we go further??? It's endurance also. How long can we last pedalling at high gear? We also need to pace ourselves, know the route well or find out about the route.

Reminds me of a story my friend told me. There was this jamboree trip and there was a thousand riders. As with Jamboree riders, MOST don't know the route and were never well prepared. So the ride started and my friend who knew the route well was starting slowly and his riding companion ask him to hurry. He said, " No worries, with the pace they started off, most won't finish". And he was right, only a small group lasted till the end. Just like the Penang round island ride, half way, most of them were on the municipal lorries.  tongue.gif  Still the best is riding constantly and increasing your speed as you get used to it. A good training is Putrajaya. In the beginning, I started with using the whole range of the 7 speed. Eco C7 is a 7 speed bike. Then after a few rides, i never used the largest 2 cog. Now, I don't shift at all, maintaining at 52T X 13T, eventhough I have 27 speed.  It's never about the bike, it all your own's capability.

I will give a good tip for those who are not really into upgrades. Upgrading a front crank is expensive, we all know it. What you can do is , change the front crank to double, like 50/39 or better still 50/36, very ideal compromise. (can get second hand ones in BBS) Other than that, nothing else. If you ride mainly on flats, use the bigger crank and if on trips to Genting Sempah, Genting Peras or Fraser's Hill, manually shift the chain to the lower ring and used that for the whole trip.

Last week another rider kaki of mine bought a KHS F20. It was actually an 8 speeder but the shop has added a double crank to the bike making it 16 speed. He got it for 1.5K from GW cycle (give and take a little, depending on how good your bargaining power is  tongue.gif ). It's light, much lighter than my Eco C7 and it's fast too. I hear there's another importer for KHS somewhere in Klang and some say it's cheaper than FB Bikes and GW. Check it out.

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Wow.... This is very useful to newbie like me.. Thank U very much for the advice...

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Thanks for the precious tips bro. I think for now I am gonna cycle a lil bit longer with my Raleigh and from there on, will only think bout getting another bike for myself.
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I think before change to new bike try change tire first, see can it fulfill ur need...
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I think before change to new bike try change tire first, see can it fulfill ur need...
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Definitely will make a difference.

The tires should be the skinny slick type, pump it up hard 70 to 80 psi. Acceleration also faster because these tires are lighter.


see the racing bikes and what tires they use... ultremo, durano
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Just wonder what setting on their bike.? frint 56T back 11T?
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Their bike? I heard 42T with 24 speed with Moulton TSR.

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QUOTE(budgee @ Aug 19 2013, 02:57 PM)
Definitely will make a difference.

The tires should be the skinny slick type, pump it up hard 70 to 80 psi.  Acceleration also faster because these tires are lighter.
see the racing bikes and what tires they use...  ultremo, durano
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But if I were to change I would buy BA. Can go offroad a bit lor. If Kojak or Durano etc will virate too hard. Ass also pain. But of course they are fast lah.
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QUOTE(samosaurus @ Aug 19 2013, 12:32 PM)
Hahaha!!!! Kesian... Don't let that shiny Moulton intimidate you.. Its probably brought out for parade on social rides.. hahaha!!! BTW, the owner, Finty, he started with a Dahon Speed P8.

Setia Alam is orang kaya township la bro, so, Van cycles also very smart in placing their store there.. Strategic... You will meet people where "money is no object", but with Orang Kaya in this case, they would only go for social rides la.. Tayang basikal.. hahaha! Anything more than that, too "hard" for them la..

People who really ride their foldies, tak kira specs and class. They don't even have time to lepak in bike shops, and all they crave is the "next big adventure", so, that said, jangan kecik hati, keep on riding!

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Do u mean the guy with chrome moulton name is Finty?
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Actually I see a lot part reduce weight etc that cost a bomb to upgrade. Is it really worth the upgrade? I mean when my 1ltr bottle water on full, it already weight almost 1kg but I dun feel any weight 'reduction' when by the time I almost drink it all? Some part save as 'much' as 200g etc but I mean, really any different?

If add up all and let u reduce 1kg, will u feel the different when u cycle? If really yes is the anwer, then I think reducing your weight will be more better.

Haha
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hi all

im looking for a foldie. anyone can recommend any good foldie?

i only use it occasionally, so a basic specs will do smile.gif
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hi all

im looking for a foldie. anyone can recommend any good foldie?

i only use it occasionally, so a basic specs will do smile.gif
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And what is your budget?
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im getting 2 of them. so roughly 1.5k for 2?
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im getting 2 of them. so roughly 1.5k for 2?
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Anything less than 1k each...go bike shop just choose color...
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Do u mean the guy with chrome moulton name is Finty?


Yup

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im getting 2 of them. so roughly 1.5k for 2?
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U can either get a china brand name Xds which come with a better component but I recommend you to get Raleigh Ugo instead. Try to search around.
RRP at RM900 but most shop selling it for RM700 rclxms.gif

Btw, i am using Raleigh Ugo too. laugh.gif

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i reckon the raleigh ugo or louis garneau would be a good choice, costing between 800 - 900 respectively

n those r interested with the full size folding ChangeBike, this shop here in penang does stock em

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QUOTE(earl-ku @ Aug 19 2013, 03:44 PM)
Anything less than 1k each...go bike shop just choose color...
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for a moment i thought we're in the Mountain Biking thread tongue.gif

btw there r differences for folding bike below rm1k, unless mtb which they claim all r the same for below rm2k

for less than 1k, pretty sure dahons don't come with quick release wheelset, let alone double wall rim

but the raleigh ugo has both, n i think they make a lot of difference in terms of convenience n durability
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Yup

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Anything less than 1k each...go bike shop just choose color...
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Dun be too harsh bro.. It's not like it's a hardtail mtb which u only choose colour.
Below Rm1k foldie u still can choose either 7 or 8 speed gear, steel or alum body, and can even get Dahon Vybe C7S nod.gif
And yes, i forgot LGS Pop. A nice folding bike too with 8 speed bike. Cost a little more than Raleigh at Rm850. Raleigh Ugo my cousin just get it at Melaka at RM680 which is a steal. I got mine at Setia Alam at Rm700.
If u fancy some replica and nice design, u can get Hummer replica at Rm850 too.

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Ohh, icic. I yumcha with him and we talk bout foldie such as AM and Bromtification thingy that morning but didn't know his name.


Alamak...

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Well, Finty is one of those guys who are very humble... Even after all these years, he never lagak sombong.. A true gem among the Brommie and Moultonists in Malaysia..

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saw this @ kalachia FB,,,,

time to get folding bike?? biggrin.gif

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Alamak...

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Well, Finty is one of those guys who are very humble... Even after all these years, he never lagak sombong.. A true gem among the Brommie and Moultonists in Malaysia..

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Yes yes, he is the guy.. Very down to earth and humble talking guy. Not cocky at all. Another gem is Pauline which is also very humble and nice to talk to. I know Pauline first as we did weekly riding at Setia Alam.
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samosaurus, do u happen to know anything bout flexible stem on dahon boardwalk d7?

i have one n the stem is adjustable n while it was stiff at first, it's become way to flexy to ride confidently atm

is it a design problem or a qc issue?
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U can either get a china brand name Xds which come with a better component but I recommend you to get Raleigh Ugo instead. Try to search around.
RRP at RM900 but most shop selling it for RM700  rclxms.gif

Btw, i am using Raleigh Ugo too.  laugh.gif

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ic ic.. thanks bro

will check the shop in citta mall for it this weekend.

do you recommend any store in KV? tongue.gif
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ic ic.. thanks bro

will check the shop in citta mall for it this weekend.

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Hence u can buy at any shop which offer cheaper pricetag.
Of course, it's better to buy near your house as if there is any problem, just cycle there to do it.
There will be on and off adjustment need to be done and fine tune at the gear when newly bought.
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ANEMOS ZIPPY...

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ANEMOS ZIPPY...

the construction
http://www.77bike.com/bbs/read.php?tid=83112
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good... good... dun go overboard with this stuff...
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haha... tats dangerous...

folding bike got too many temptatious things to pasang...
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samosaurus, do u happen to know anything bout flexible stem on dahon boardwalk d7?

i have one n the stem is adjustable n while it was stiff at first, it's become way to flexy to ride confidently atm

is it a design problem or a qc issue?
If I read you correctly, your headset's stem connector may be loose. All you need to do, is to tighten the bolt connecting your stem to the headset. When the stem is loose, it tends to wobble and flex, this is caused by wear and tear..

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This picture shows how the headset and stem is connected.

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how else can u fold a bike...

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beside a brompton...
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i reckon the raleigh ugo or louis garneau would be a good choice, costing between 800 - 900 respectively

n those r interested with the full size folding ChangeBike, this shop here in penang does stock em

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Hmmm not many would recomend change... u riding one?

But this definitely out of the price range...
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Hmmm not many would recomend change... u riding one?

But this definitely out of the price range...
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nah, but def thought of getting one in future haha

the cheapest is less than 3k i think, with components worth only half the price compared to if u get a regular HT MTB..

27sp acera groupset with XCR 80mm fork

but i reckon the folding mechanism is better than montague..
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QUOTE(2kia @ Aug 19 2013, 11:21 PM)
nah, but def thought of getting one in future haha

the cheapest is less than 3k i think, with components worth only half the price compared to if u get a regular HT MTB..

27sp acera groupset with XCR 80mm fork

but i reckon the folding mechanism is better than montague..
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4.4k for a monocoque fork ... and with a suspension in the front, will be bout 5k

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nah, but def thought of getting one in future haha

the cheapest is less than 3k i think, with components worth only half the price compared to if u get a regular HT MTB..

27sp acera groupset with XCR 80mm fork

but i reckon the folding mechanism is better than montague..
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less than 3k is price in taiwan right??

tht's wht i found... 27K NT$... the model with basic acera...

if can sell in msia less than RM 3k??? biggrin.gif

the hybrid is more expensive cos carbon fork...

38k++ NT$....

can book a holiday to taiwan.. just get the frame sumbat in luggage...
then gamble wit kastam... biggrin.gif
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less than 3k is price in taiwan right??

tht's wht i found... 27K NT$... the model with basic acera...

if can sell in msia less than RM 3k???  biggrin.gif

the hybrid is more expensive cos carbon fork...

38k++ NT$....

can book a holiday to taiwan.. just get the frame sumbat in luggage...
then gamble wit kastam...  biggrin.gif
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kalachia selling RM4398
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u mean the hybrid??
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yeah thats what i have ... the DF611
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this week cycling again ?? laugh.gif

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pretty sure i was quoted around 3k only for the DF-509D when i enquired last year, hmmm..
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have a few friends wanna try putrajaya - we can do that if you are interested ... very easy as well
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have a few friends wanna try putrajaya - we can do that if you are interested ... very easy as well
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For those are Interested, Kindly PM me ur Contact. I will add you into our Whatsapp "Lowyat Cycling Group" .. icon_rolleyes.gif

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pretty sure i was quoted around 3k only for the DF-509D when i enquired last year, hmmm..
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QUOTE(samosaurus @ Aug 19 2013, 05:40 PM)
If I read you correctly, your headset's stem connector may be loose. All you need to do, is to tighten the bolt connecting your stem to the headset. When the stem is loose, it tends to wobble and flex, this is caused by wear and tear..

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This picture shows how the headset and stem is connected.

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maybe stem isn't the right term.. nvm, i'll post a pic soon

as for now i'll just have to really tighten then QR level for adjusting the height of the handle bar/post n see if it still flexes
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serious ar then the guy whom i got it 2nd hand must have lied to me then lol
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hmm nvm la, already bought ma

change to some decent fork n u can go offroad with it!

i believe the frame is the same, just as good
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samosaurus, do u happen to know anything bout flexible stem on dahon boardwalk d7?

i have one n the stem is adjustable n while it was stiff at first, it's become way to flexy to ride confidently atm

is it a design problem or a qc issue?
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Following up Samo's explanation, the newer Dahon's handlepost do get loose after a while.

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I would suggest sending back to the bike shop but it's actually quite simple to readjust.

(01) Loosen A. After this, the handle post is free to turn!
(02) Tighten B. This needs an extra large size allen key. Tighten just until the handle post is free to turn but don't
overtighten. The handlepost should be resistant free when turning.
(03) Once satisfied, realign the handlebar. Then tighten back A.

Check if the handlepost still wobbles. If it does, then it is nut C. I have a right size spanner (8 mm) in my saddle bag because my wife's Dahon handlepost gets loose after a few rides. This is the newer version handlepost. My older type don't have this problem.

If it still wobbles, check your locking mechanism. Is it easy and loose to lock? If should be a bit tight to lock and if it is quite loose, this is the culprit! Use a spanner (8 mm) to adjust the nut C a turn clockwise towards the nylon bush. Now try locking the handlepost again. It should be tighter and if the handlepost still wobbles but better then tighten another turn.

If both don't work, then you better send to a bike shop. tongue.gif But before that tighten the quick release on the handlepost extender and see if it is loose.
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serious ar then the guy whom i got it 2nd hand must have lied to me then lol
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i tot u said the hybrid is 43XX RM?


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Can i use normal industrial grease in place of ceramic grease?

Am trying to get my hands on some for the squeaking sound from my seat post or seat railing
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Guys, is this RD protector useful ?? thinking to get one biggrin.gif
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hmm nvm la, already bought ma

change to some decent fork n u can go offroad with it!

i believe the frame is the same, just as good
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wht price he said?
i tot u said the hybrid is 43XX RM?
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its from the price tag attached in the manuals ...

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maybe stem isn't the right term.. nvm, i'll post a pic soon

as for now i'll just have to really tighten then QR level for adjusting the height of the handle bar/post n see if it still flexes
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did u raise it high up?? if so then it is the weak point..
tht is why now dahon don't include this adjustable stem for models in japan...

i saw replacement parts in taobao for these fixed stem, got different height....

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Can i use normal industrial grease in place of ceramic grease?

Am trying to get my hands on some for the squeaking sound from my seat post or seat railing
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ceramic grease are for better heat distribution, good for the bearings...
since there is no moving parts around the seat clamp etc...
normal grease will suffice??
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very very very useful (well,at least for me tongue.gif hehe)
tho mine is ony tourney rd
ther are many times i notice it realy does it job protecting de rd
against the wall, road divider, even from ur own feet
as i ride omos evriday
i glad it comes as a standard spec on my bike
it realy is useful
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QUOTE(theotheryun @ Aug 20 2013, 12:20 AM)
very very very useful (well,at least for me tongue.gif hehe)
tho mine is ony tourney rd
ther are many times i notice it realy does it job protecting de rd
against the wall, road divider, even from ur own feet
as i ride omos evriday
i glad it comes as a standard spec on my bike
it realy is useful
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thanks Yun !! in That case, i will get one for my bike laugh.gif
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do u guys know any good photo upload site besides imgur, photobucket n imageshack?

been trying to upload two photos from my comp for at least 30 mins n still pending ><
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do u guys know any good photo upload site besides imgur, photobucket n imageshack?

been trying to upload two photos from my comp for at least 30 mins n still pending ><
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upload to fb and then copy the image url ...
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do u guys know any good photo upload site besides imgur, photobucket n imageshack?

been trying to upload two photos from my comp for at least 30 mins n still pending ><
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i did with postimage
dont even ned to register or aniting tongue.gif
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this is my adjustable handle post with QR level

it could turn right n left slightly even though the wheel isn't turning

i could really tighten the level to prevent it from turning at all, but i'm worried bout the wear n tear at the bottom of the post

this pic below is snapped when i took out the entire post

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n the issue regarding replacing it is that i need to adjust it to the maximum height each time i wanna fold my bike, otherwise it'd interfere with the wheel area doh.gif
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QUOTE(theotheryun @ Aug 20 2013, 12:20 AM)
very very very useful (well,at least for me tongue.gif hehe)
tho mine is ony tourney rd
ther are many times i notice it realy does it job protecting de rd
against the wall, road divider, even from ur own feet
as i ride omos evriday
i glad it comes as a standard spec on my bike
it realy is useful
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I think its useful also when we put our bike in car...
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How do u guy wash your bike when it's very dirty like kena mud etc? Can jes use sprinkle hose and spray it on the bike all over or kena lap lap? I mean u spray the water onto the gear, chain etc got any problem ah?
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this is my adjustable handle post with QR level

it could turn right n left slightly even though the wheel isn't turning

i could really tighten the level to prevent it from turning at all, but i'm worried bout the wear n tear at the bottom of the post

this pic below is snapped when i took out the entire post

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Just tighten the QR until it doesn't move. It tend s to move a bit after much usaga and makes the handlebar alignment go off. Another rider can't get the handlebar lower and he has to cut off an inch off even.
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QUOTE(adriankhoo153 @ Aug 20 2013, 08:28 AM)
How do u guy wash your bike when it's very dirty like kena mud etc? Can jes use sprinkle hose and spray it on the bike all over or kena lap lap? I mean u spray the water onto the gear, chain etc got any problem ah?
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I use a hose and hose off any mud, sand or muck that can be hosed off. Then I use a damp cloth and wipe the bike. I might take off the 2 wheels if I want to clean it more thoroughly. Once in a while I take off the chain and cassette and wash with diesel (quickly) and then hose it with water and dry it. Clean the cranks and put back the chain and relube everything, the chain, RD and FD. Also the pivot joints around the V-brakes. nod.gif
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Ahhhh... Okay, your telescopic stem's clamp.. I get it..

Well, this is a pain when it comes to older Dahon bikes with telescopic stems. You will have to to adjust the nut on the "turtleneck" clamp to get a good grip. Do not overtighten it as you may damage the collar used to fasten the turtleneck clamp.

Also, there is a "red dot" to indicate the telescopic stem's maximum height, do not fasten the stem beyond the recommended height as it will twist.

With stems using this adjustable height system, the handlebar tends to sway from left to right due to loosening.

One way to overcome this is to have a fixed stem. Handling is also much better with it..

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I've been using my Dahon Speed P8 for five years, and the clamp tension on the handlebar's telescopic stem is something I check from time-to-time..

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I've been using my Dahon Speed P8 for five years, and the clamp tension on the handlebar's telescopic stem is something I check from time-to-time..

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Mr. Sam, Where did you get the foldable bike stand? Riding foldable bikes also means trying to get everything foldable! tongue.gif

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Mr. Sam, Where did you get the foldable bike stand? Riding foldable bikes also means trying to get everything foldable!  tongue.gif
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That one is a Topeak flashstand for MTBs.. Very useful for bikes without kickstand..

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This is a more "elegant" flashstand which is meant for road bikes..

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Hahaha!!! My "other" hobby is collecting folding knives.. cool2.gif

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What is your average foldable cruising speed on a level road?

For road bikes, it is normally above 30 km/hr, i think..
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What is your average foldable cruising speed on a level road?

For road bikes, it is normally above 30 km/hr, i think..
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Riding light? Fully loaded?

Here's my "average":

Speed P8 empty - 17km/h

Speed P8 fully loaded with panniers on both sides (average 20kgs extra weight) - 9 - 13km/h

Jetstream EX - empty on road - 15km/h

Jetstream EX - empty offroad - 8km/h

Eclipse X20 - empty/road - 25km/h

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Speed P8 full loaded...

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Touring ride from Slim River to Sungkai, Perak..

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Riding only with a trunk bag from Kota Tinggi - Sg Rengit, Johor...

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Offroading in Kampar, Perak, with our Jetstreams..

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Riding from Rawang - Sekinchan - about 75km one-way offroad..

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Cruising along an abandoned Tin mine near Bestari Jaya, Selangor..

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Our favourite 20" bike, cranked to the max at 25km/h...

Moral of the story: the fitter you are, the better your average top-speed...

Sam
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I read on some forum, Don't really understand what it mean:

Do I have to pedal faster because of the smaller wheels?
No. The Swift is set up with a larger front chainring, so that the bike pedals just like a bike with large diameter wheels.


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post Aug 20 2013, 12:38 PM

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QUOTE(samosaurus @ Aug 20 2013, 12:13 PM)
Riding light? Fully loaded?

Here's my "average":

Speed P8 empty - 17km/h

Speed P8 fully loaded with panniers on both sides (average 20kgs extra weight) - 9 - 13km/h

Jetstream EX - empty on road - 15km/h

Jetstream EX - empty offroad - 8km/h

Eclipse X20 - empty/road - 25km/h


Our favourite 20" bike, cranked to the max at 25km/h...

Moral of the story: the fitter you are, the better your average top-speed...

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But for 30second only la... hahahahahah can not go d, engine to small.... sweat.gif

Sam, ur 25km/h is for how long..??
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QUOTE(gilbertlhl @ Aug 20 2013, 12:30 PM)
I read on some forum, Don't really understand what it mean:

Do I have to pedal faster because of the smaller wheels?
No. The Swift is set up with a larger front chainring, so that the bike pedals just like a bike with large diameter wheels.
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Its a very simple explanation on gear ratio...

For bikes with small wheels, a large chainring (50 - 52T) would give enough power transfer to the cogwheels to propel your bike.

That way, you won't lose any energy when pedaling your bike. On larger wheels (700cc, 29", 26") the bike doesn't need a large chainring (52-55T) to rotate the wheels.

On the average, you get a 50T chainring on a road bike and 46T on a mountain bike.. The only road bikes using large chainrings are Time Trial (TT) bikes..

Hope this helps..

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QUOTE(samosaurus @ Aug 20 2013, 10:18 AM)
That one is a Topeak flashstand for MTBs.. Very useful for bikes without kickstand..

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This is a more "elegant" flashstand which is meant for road bikes..

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Hahaha!!! My "other" hobby is collecting folding knives..  cool2.gif

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Sam how much is this stand?
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QUOTE(budgee @ Aug 20 2013, 11:54 AM)
What is your average foldable cruising speed on a level road?

For road bikes, it is normally above 30 km/hr, i think..
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Moral of the story: the fitter you are, the better your average top-speed...

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for not having a cyclocomputer (errr...yet sweat.gif )
i wonder whats my stats
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cyclocomputer is one of de last in my list (i dont even know whats de last in my own list...hehe tongue.gif )
wic end up being forgotten most of de time
but its kinda fun to know de numbers u r doing eh?
gotta get one soon biggrin.gif

actualy i wana buy knog cyclocomputer nerd
but last time i go spv subang they dont have it
i wonder if vans having them
myb in nex month shoping i guess
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QUOTE(samosaurus @ Aug 20 2013, 12:42 PM)
Its a very simple explanation on gear ratio...

For bikes with small wheels, a large chainring (50 - 52T) would give enough power transfer to the cogwheels to propel your bike.

That way, you won't lose any energy when pedaling your bike. On larger wheels (700cc, 29", 26") the bike doesn't need a large chainring (52-55T) to rotate the wheels.

On the average, you get a 50T chainring on a road bike and 46T on a mountain bike.. The only road bikes using large chainrings are Time Trial (TT) bikes..

Hope this helps..

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Its mean if 20" wheel with large chainring(55T) and with the same pedaling speed, we might have same speed as 26" or 700cc??
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For cruising average speed, that would mean you are not getting out of breath with each round of pedaling.

My average on Tern P18 is about 22 km/h I think. I have to do some more testing. If you can sustain the average max speed and at the same time, you can carry on a conversation with a friend without sounding out of breath, then you can be cruising along for quite a long time.

Perhaps the Putrajaya roads would be a good area to test this average speed, elsewhere in PJ and KL, there are too many traffic lights and slopes to climb to be be cycling at a constant speed.

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QUOTE(gilbertlhl @ Aug 20 2013, 01:59 PM)
Its mean if 20" wheel with large chainring(55T) and with the same pedaling speed, we might have same speed as 26" or 700cc??
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haiya... this thing has been discussed to death already...

just use this calculator... all kira kau kau for u to compare puas puas....... laugh.gif

http://www.machars.net/bikecalc.htm
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Sam, ur 25km/h is for how long..??


That's roughly about 20-25mins non-stop...

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Sam how much is this stand?


Last I checked, about RM180 at Rodalink..

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actualy i wana buy knog cyclocomputer nerd
but last time i go spv subang they dont have it
i wonder if vans having them
myb in nex month shoping i guess
hehe


Invest on a Cateye.. Knogs are useless...

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I use this for data logging..

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All the ride stats can be uploaded for further analysis..

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Its mean if 20" wheel with large chainring(55T) and with the same pedaling speed, we might have same speed as 26" or 700cc??


Well, if you have the cycling prowess of Alberto Contador, Cadel Evans, Bradley Wiggins & Chris Froome, can sapu any road bike and MTBs.. Hahahaha!!!!

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haiya... this thing has been discussed to death already...

just use this calculator... all kira kau kau for u to compare puas puas.......


Easy on the newbie la bro.. hahahah!! biggrin.gif

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For cruising average speed, that would mean you are not getting out of breath with each round of pedaling.

My average on Tern P18 is about 22 km/h I think. I have to do some more testing. If you can sustain the average max speed and at the same time, you can carry on a conversation with a friend without sounding out of breath, then you can be cruising along for quite a long time.

Perhaps the Putrajaya roads would be a good area to test this average speed, elsewhere in PJ and KL, there are too many traffic lights and slopes to climb to be be cycling at a constant speed.


If you are a seasoned rider, you can go on and on and on and on.. doing flats.. Running out of breath means that your heart is not properly conditioned to the physical strain..

That said, if you really want to test your average on climbing, cruising and speedworks, you should go to Genting Peras in Hulu Langat, Genting Sempah or KKB - Fraser's Hill...

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Hill climbs is the fastest way to get fit..

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QUOTE(gilbertlhl @ Aug 20 2013, 01:59 PM)
Its mean if 20" wheel with large chainring(55T) and with the same pedaling speed, we might have same speed as 26" or 700cc??
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ok la... aft kira kira... agak agak...

ur 20inch foldie with kojak... using 55x11 compare to

700x22c road bike with 50x11....

u oni loose bout 2km/h oni..... brows.gif

so how.. wana order the custom crank 60T from china... icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(samosaurus @ Aug 20 2013, 02:26 PM)
Easy on the newbie la bro.. hahahah!! biggrin.gif
If you are a seasoned rider, you can go on and on and on and on.. doing flats.. Running out of breath means that your heart is not properly conditioned to the physical strain..

That said, if you really want to test your average on climbing, cruising and speedworks, you should go to Genting Peras in Hulu Langat, Genting Sempah or KKB - Fraser's Hill...

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Hill climbs is the fastest way to get fit..

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Damn, it looks like a neverending climbing. When climbing do we pedal as hard as possible or do we change to lowest gear and cycle slow and steady? Which one will be better off?
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Damn, it looks like a neverending climbing. When climbing do we pedal as hard as possible or do we change to lowest gear and cycle slow and steady? Which one will be better off?


Dude, you seriously need to lay off your computer screen and go out to cycle more.. Haaahhaahaha!!!

That cyclist in the picture is my wife, she did the climb with a 9-speed bike...

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For hillworks, develop your cadence and once you get the rhythm right, no mountain will be high enough..

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cyclists nowadays are fixated to speed... wats wrong with those guys doh.gif
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cyclists nowadays are fixated to speed... wats wrong with those guys  doh.gif
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Depends on their bike usage..

If all they want is speed, can always get UCI license and take part in road races.. That way, can justify with a record and some medals on the wall as motivation..

There's always leisure cycling and other aspects of cycling that are not speed-related.. Try bikepacking, bikecamping and touring..

Sam




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QUOTE(samosaurus @ Aug 20 2013, 03:17 PM)
Depends on their bike usage..

If all they want is speed, can always get UCI license and take part in road races.. That way, can justify with a record and some medals on the wall as motivation..

There's always leisure cycling and other aspects of cycling that are not speed-related.. Try bikepacking, bikecamping and touring..

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yeah... i mean there is no need for any acknowledgement... can't they jus enjoy the ride...

everywhere i turn.. it's people talking i was averaging this and that on that road.. and i was overtaking this slowpoke and that...

dude, not everything in this world is a competition... they are taking the fun out of riding a foldie... and i don't understand why they bought a foldie in the first place if they are talking about chasing down people riding road bikes and stuff...

a total smack in the head, this is sometimes..

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Hi Guys,

Need your help, i'm interested on a java fit but when i called up to TBFS, VAN's or KSH, they don;t have it.

As for GW Bicycle, they do have but the price is not good (close to 1700). Some mandarin forum mentioned they can get in RM1400-1500 range.

Do you guys have any recommendation which shop i can try out?

Thanks
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QUOTE(dc_hunter @ Aug 20 2013, 04:07 PM)
Hi Guys,

Need your help, i'm interested on a java fit but when i called up to TBFS, VAN's or KSH, they don;t have it.

As for GW Bicycle, they do have but the price is not good (close to 1700). Some mandarin forum mentioned they can get in RM1400-1500 range.

Do you guys have any recommendation which shop i can try out?

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Robyn said bought from sri petaling mar...
there minus the ksh got 2 other bike shop, as i know of...
or u can call up every bike shop by referring to the directory at lerun's website..


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QUOTE(dc_hunter @ Aug 20 2013, 04:07 PM)
Hi Guys,

Need your help, i'm interested on a java fit but when i called up to TBFS, VAN's or KSH, they don;t have it.

As for GW Bicycle, they do have but the price is not good (close to 1700). Some mandarin forum mentioned they can get in RM1400-1500 range.

Do you guys have any recommendation which shop i can try out?

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Gainway at Klang do have Java Fit. The last I ask was about 2-3months ago. They are selling Rm1400-1500 ish
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QUOTE(H2D @ Aug 20 2013, 04:23 PM)
Robyn said bought from sri petaling mar...
there minus the ksh got 2 other bike shop, as i know of...
or u can call up every bike shop by referring to the directory at lerun's website..
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Thanks, just called to pedal sport they quoted me RM1650.
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Thanks, just called to pedal sport they quoted me RM1650.
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u check the volcano inspire oredi??

n yeah like adrian said, u wan cheaper... nid to go out further like klang... dengkil.. kajang... etc...

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yeah... i mean there is no need for any acknowledgement... can't they jus enjoy the ride...

everywhere i turn.. it's people talking i was averaging this and that on that road.. and i was overtaking this slowpoke and that...

dude, not everything in this world is a competition... they are taking the fun out of riding a foldie... and i don't understand why they bought a foldie in the first place if they are talking about chasing down people riding road bikes and stuff...

a total smack in the head, this is sometimes..


Hahaha!!! New riders la.. Haven't found their niche yet..

Changing tires, wheelset, groupset, add crank and chainring as big as a scooter wheel to climb coconut trees, put everything carbon fibre on the folding bike, won't change anything if you are an unfit cyclist.

Folding bikes are for people who want to take things easy. Some bikes are made to perform and go "fast", but how fast? Well, the bike is as good as the cyclist la..

Based on experience, most newcomer who gets a folding bike and wanted to go fast, overtake road bikes, superbikes, buses, trains and jet fighters would usually end up on a road bike or give up cycling entirely.. Macam tu la..

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Need your help, i'm interested on a java fit


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You are looking at the wrong places la.. Pedalspot near Taman Megah in SS2 carries Java Fit. Try www.pedalspot.com.my where you can get more information..
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QUOTE(adriankhoo153 @ Aug 20 2013, 04:27 PM)
Gainway at Klang do have Java Fit. The last I ask was about 2-3months ago. They are selling Rm1400-1500 ish
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Thanks Bro!!
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QUOTE(samosaurus @ Aug 20 2013, 04:42 PM)

You are looking at the wrong places la.. Pedalspot near Taman Megah in SS2 carries Java Fit. Try www.pedalspot.com.my where you can get more information..
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Thanks Bro... just called them and they quote me RM1650. Not sure that is the cheapest they can provide or not...
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QUOTE(H2D @ Aug 20 2013, 04:39 PM)
u check the volcano inspire oredi??

n yeah like adrian said, u wan cheaper... nid to go out further like klang... dengkil.. kajang... etc...
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Haven't look into the volcano yet...

U try b4? how was it?
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QUOTE(dc_hunter @ Aug 20 2013, 04:46 PM)
Thanks Bro... just called them and they quote me RM1650. Not sure that is the cheapest they can provide or not...
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Pedalspot is the distributor, they cannot match their dealers in terms of lowering their prices la...

Why Java Fit? hmm.gif

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QUOTE(dc_hunter @ Aug 20 2013, 04:44 PM)
Thanks Bro!!
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Did u call Gainway? How much do they give u?
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QUOTE(dc_hunter @ Aug 20 2013, 04:50 PM)
Haven't look into the volcano yet...

U try b4? how was it?
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no i hvnt tried b4

i'm just giving some suggestions biggrin.gif
so u can have more options...

no nid to buy hastily ..
take time to go n check out different options..
u can learn along the way...
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QUOTE(samosaurus @ Aug 20 2013, 03:17 PM)
Depends on their bike usage..

If all they want is speed, can always get UCI license and take part in road races.. That way, can justify with a record and some medals on the wall as motivation..

There's always leisure cycling and other aspects of cycling that are not speed-related.. Try bikepacking, bikecamping and touring..

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dat is mor like my style tongue.gif
hehe
thanx mr samo
will shop for cateye then tongue.gif

QUOTE(butthead @ Aug 20 2013, 03:28 PM)
yeah... i mean there is no need for any acknowledgement... can't they jus enjoy the ride...

everywhere i turn.. it's people talking i was averaging this and that on that road.. and i was overtaking this slowpoke and that...

dude, not everything in this world is a competition... they are taking the fun out of riding a foldie... and i don't understand why they bought a foldie in the first place if they are talking about chasing down people riding road bikes...

a total smack in the head, this is sometimes..
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i guess being positively competitive is ok
just talking bad or talking down to other cyclist dats not ok
hehe
me cuz most of de time i ride alone (actualy all de time sweat.gif )
n not a racing kaki so i dont realy care bout speed
but then its nice to know how r ur cycling
n how is others...rite?
anyway as long as its for de love n joy of cycling
aniting,evriting or noting will do tongue.gif hehe

cheers
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QUOTE(samosaurus @ Aug 20 2013, 04:51 PM)
Pedalspot is the distributor, they cannot match their dealers in terms of lowering their prices la...

Why Java Fit?  hmm.gif

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My Budget is only around RM1000-RM1500.

In terms of the specs they can provide + the price.

Tern and Dahon basically abit overpriced with the specs they gave.

Another 1 i looking into is the HASA F-1. Around RM1300 by TBFS.

I'm just a beginner in this... so long time nvr ride a bicycle.
Just thinking to re-train back myself...
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QUOTE(adriankhoo153 @ Aug 20 2013, 04:51 PM)
Did u call Gainway? How much do they give u?
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Yup... apprarently, just left back 1 unit. and it's blue. I don't really like blue.

Price over the phone... i can say so far is the cheapest. RM1400
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QUOTE(H2D @ Aug 20 2013, 04:55 PM)
no i hvnt tried b4

i'm just giving some suggestions  biggrin.gif
so u can have more options...

no nid to buy hastily ..
take time to go n check out different options..
u can learn along the way...
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No... i'm not in a urgent mode... tongue.gif

another 1 i look into is HASA F-1. TBSF offer me RM1300
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i guess being positively competitive is ok
just talking bad or talking down to other cyclist dats not ok
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me cuz most of de time i ride alone (actualy all de time sweat.gif )
n not a racing kaki so i dont realy care bout speed
but then its nice to know how r ur cycling
n how is others...rite?
anyway as long as its for de love n joy of cycling
aniting,evriting or noting will do tongue.gif hehe


If you enjoy cycling, and when speedwork is not a big issue, you will see yourself in this aspect of the sport on a long-term basis..

Insecurity happens when people start to compare what they have with others.. That's where cycling is no more fun and becomes a plain ego-stroking thing..

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another 1 i looking into is the HASA F-1. Around RM1300 by TBFS.


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The HASA minimax is a decent choice.. Better than Java in many ways.. hahahah!!!!

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QUOTE(samosaurus @ Aug 20 2013, 05:05 PM)
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The HASA minimax is a decent choice.. Better than Java in many ways.. hahahah!!!!

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Minimax RM2100... way over my budget sad.gif
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QUOTE(dc_hunter @ Aug 20 2013, 05:02 PM)
No... i'm not in a urgent mode... tongue.gif

another 1 i look into is HASA F-1. TBSF offer me RM1300
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reading ur post i cant help it but feeling kinda urgency too tongue.gif
hehe
but i do tink java fit is kinda value for money too
since thers quite a lot of pipel using java fit
it must be good
i heard thers a gang/clan/clique of many java fit in taiping or somting
hehe
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Well, just go with what you have.. wink.gif

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How bout HASA 2014 FOLDING BIKE F1 ? RM1680?
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QUOTE(samosaurus @ Aug 20 2013, 04:42 PM)
Hahaha!!! New riders la.. Haven't found their niche yet..

Changing tires, wheelset, groupset, add crank and chainring as big as a scooter wheel to climb coconut trees, put everything carbon fibre on the folding bike, won't change anything if you are an unfit cyclist.

Folding bikes are for people who want to take things easy. Some bikes are made to perform and go "fast", but how fast? Well, the bike is as good as the cyclist la..

Based on experience, most newcomer who gets a folding bike and wanted to go fast, overtake road bikes, superbikes, buses, trains and jet fighters would usually end up on a road bike or give up cycling entirely.. Macam tu la..
short attention span.. the problem with the people of this age...

anyways.. the most important thing is to enjoy the scenery of a beautiful ride...not the bulbous ass of another rider that you are trying to overtake...

QUOTE(samosaurus @ Aug 20 2013, 04:42 PM)
You are looking at the wrong places la.. Pedalspot near Taman Megah in SS2 carries Java Fit. Try www.pedalspot.com.my where you can get more information..
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just give phone number direct lar...

call 03-7877 0450 and ask for Yeap...haha...

QUOTE(dc_hunter @ Aug 20 2013, 04:46 PM)
Thanks Bro... just called them and they quote me RM1650. Not sure that is the cheapest they can provide or not...
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don't take phone prices as final.. they usually won't reveal the discounted price on the phone.. go there, nego nego a bit and you might get slightly lower price or some items to go along with the bike...

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How bout HASA 2014 FOLDING BIKE F1 ? RM1680?
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This 1 under my consideration as well... TBFS selling RM1300

Minimax RM2100
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QUOTE(butthead @ Aug 20 2013, 05:16 PM)

don't take phone prices as final.. they usually won't reveal the discounted price on the phone.. go there, nego nego a bit and you might get slightly lower price or some items to go along with the bike...
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Thanks bro... will do that.

but before start nego, i will go and have a touch and feel on this java as well as the HASA.
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QUOTE(theotheryun @ Aug 20 2013, 04:56 PM)
i guess being positively competitive is ok
just talking bad or talking down to other cyclist dats not ok
anyway as long as its for de love n joy of cycling
aniting,evriting or noting will do tongue.gif hehe

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there is no such thing as positively competitive... sooner or later, face will turn sour and then friendship turns weird and you know how that storyline goes...

our group ride used to consists of a bunch of guys riding side by side most of the time.. sometimes as ridiculous as 3 rider wide on the road and just chit chatting along the way.. .nowadays.. you see people drafting, single file...at the end of the ride.. they then brag about who was riding like a monster and stuff like that...

where is the fun in that...

it's very evident nowadays as if you try to follow any wheel you see on the road... they give it all their might to lose you... very strange...competition has been taken a tad too seriously nowadays...

QUOTE(samosaurus @ Aug 20 2013, 05:02 PM)
Insecurity happens when people start to compare what they have with others.. That's where cycling is no more fun and becomes a plain ego-stroking thing..

Sam
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humans are never satisfied... that's the biggest problem when we are given a more "advanced brain"

other than the self analytical part... there is also the constant hustling of your mates to buy this and that...that's what we call mutual poisoning...

cycling has become much more equipment obsessed nowadays than many years ago...no one is ever satisfied with what they own...

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QUOTE(dc_hunter @ Aug 20 2013, 05:19 PM)
i will go and have a touch and feel on this java as well as the HASA.
sounds like you want to sexually harass the bike... haha...

take your time and survey around... there is a lot of choices like H2D says..the models like dahon p8 does not interest you??? i think that is not too far away from java's price and dahon should have a better build, does it not? at least a much more sturdy hinge...

anyways, not a foldie expert... dun listen to my advise..haha



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QUOTE(samosaurus @ Aug 20 2013, 05:05 PM)
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The HASA minimax is a decent choice.. Better than Java in many ways.. hahahah!!!!

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Our friend in this picture sold off both the Hasa. Last I know the red one is sold but the green one unsure. Check here if anyone interested.

http://www.bicyclebuysell.com/view_item.php?id=179695
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There's a price war among the dealers. Therefore, when you call, they give you a price that is allowed by the wholesalers. If you go directly and negotiate, the price might be lower! smile.gif That or, they give you some freebies and the wholesalers can't complain like what Van's is doing with Terns. So, if you are really keen, visit the shops.

Afterall, other than the bike, you still need helmet, front and rear lights, gloves, bottle cage etc. icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(etigge @ Aug 20 2013, 07:44 PM)
There's a price war among the dealers. Therefore, when you call, they give you a price that is allowed by the wholesalers. If you go directly and negotiate, the price might be lower! smile.gif  That or, they give you some freebies and the wholesalers can't complain like what Van's is doing with Terns. So, if you are really keen, visit the shops.

Afterall, other than the bike, you still need helmet, front and rear lights, gloves, bottle cage etc.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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doesnt hurt to go walk around those shops ... go a few shops ... see who you "syiok" lah ... service and friendliness matters ...

for me even though the price might vary ... but if that shop is friendly ... i would pay the difference

and its an outdoor sport ... stop checking price online and calling ... get up and go out
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i got my Java FIT at PedalSport Sri petaling with the price of 1690 but it giv me 2 free gift... one glove and water bottle handle
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QUOTE(earl-ku @ Aug 20 2013, 10:18 PM)
doesnt hurt to go walk around those shops ... go a few shops ... see who you "syiok" lah ... service and friendliness matters ...

for me even though the price might vary ... but if that shop is friendly ... i would pay the difference

and its an outdoor sport ... stop checking price online and calling ... get up and go out
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I'm looking for my first foldie too, been to a few shops to check things out. There was this place where the taikors here say the owner is so friendly. He was, but only to his friends who were chatting with him there. I came in the rain, stood there for 10 minutes, and they totally ignored me. Didn't even glance at me, and their closed conversation didn't give me any chance.

Never going back there again...
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QUOTE(kkm @ Aug 20 2013, 10:41 PM)
He was, but only to his friends who were chatting with him there. I came in the rain, stood there for 10 minutes, and they totally ignored me. Didn't even glance at me, and their closed conversation didn't give me any chance.

Never going back there again...
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whoa liddat ar... shocking.gif

if it was samo... sure %$&(*^& on the blog already.... laugh.gif tongue.gif

seriously is the he talking to other customers? or really chatting ??

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QUOTE(kkm @ Aug 20 2013, 10:41 PM)
I'm looking for my first foldie too, been to a few shops to check things out. There was this place where the taikors here say the owner is so friendly. He was, but only to his friends who were chatting with him there. I came in the rain, stood there for 10 minutes, and they totally ignored me. Didn't even glance at me, and their closed conversation didn't give me any chance.

Never going back there again...
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oooouch ...

let me know where you wanna go ... i can tag along if free ...

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QUOTE(kkm @ Aug 20 2013, 10:41 PM)
I'm looking for my first foldie too, been to a few shops to check things out. There was this place where the taikors here say the owner is so friendly. He was, but only to his friends who were chatting with him there. I came in the rain, stood there for 10 minutes, and they totally ignored me. Didn't even glance at me, and their closed conversation didn't give me any chance.

Never going back there again...
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Are you talking about the one in BU? They are probably very engrossed in their conversation to notice much else. There are mostly big boys who want to pass the time and talk more than anything else.

Just go up to the boss and say: Hi ! I am looking for a foldable bike, and he'll show you what's available.

Once I asked for a model that he did not have and he right away called up the main distributor to check...

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guyz, is that possible to change the handle bar to drop down type ?


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QUOTE(budgee @ Aug 20 2013, 10:56 PM)
Are you talking about the one in BU?  They are probably very engrossed in their conversation to notice much else.  There are mostly big boys who want to pass the time and talk more than anything else. 

Just go up to the boss and say:  Hi ! I am looking for a foldable bike,  and he'll show you what's available.

Once I asked for a model that he did not have and he right away called up the main distributor to check...
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oh if thats the case, i would say yeah sometimes they do get engaged in conversation, all u need is to walk up to johny and he is very nice ...
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QUOTE(H2D @ Aug 20 2013, 02:48 PM)
ok la... aft kira kira... agak agak...

ur 20inch foldie with kojak... using 55x11 compare to

700x22c road bike with 50x11....

u oni loose bout 2km/h oni.....  brows.gif

so how.. wana order the custom crank 60T from china...  icon_idea.gif
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Thank for the calculation.. But i still not really understand, will try to figure out how to calculate.

I no need to over take Road bike(where can over take road bike, Speed=that is what road bike design for..)

Wow... 60T.. Not bad also. i can train pedaling, n maybe can help my stamina improve faster...
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QUOTE(Robyn @ Aug 20 2013, 10:57 PM)
guyz, is that possible to change the handle bar to drop down type ?
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It depends on your quick release lock. Can it like totally open up? I know the Verge P18 cannot because the QR mechanism does not allow you to open up. It just allows enough room for the handlebar to twist, so if I wanted a drop bar, it won't be able to mount.
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QUOTE(budgee @ Aug 20 2013, 11:00 PM)
It depends on your quick release lock.  Can it like totally open up?  I know the Verge P18 cannot because the QR mechanism does not allow you to open up.  It just allows enough room for the handlebar to twist, so if I wanted a drop bar, it won't be able to mount.
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if cannot open up need to put the adapter...it will extend to the front a bit...
very easy one... i cari a photo of that...
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QUOTE(gilbertlhl @ Aug 20 2013, 10:59 PM)
Thank for the calculation.. But i still not really understand, will try to figure out how to calculate.

I no need to over take Road bike(where can over take road bike, Speed=that is what road bike design for..)

Wow... 60T.. Not bad also. i can train pedaling, n maybe can help my stamina improve faster...
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no nid to figure out how to calculate bro,,,
just use the calculator by going to the link i pasted there...

u just input the tire size wheel size, front n rear gear size what else huh... laugh.gif
then press the button, it will auto kira for u...
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QUOTE(samosaurus @ Aug 20 2013, 02:26 PM)
Easy on the newbie la bro.. hahahah!! biggrin.gif
If you are a seasoned rider, you can go on and on and on and on.. doing flats.. Running out of breath means that your heart is not properly conditioned to the physical strain..

That said, if you really want to test your average on climbing, cruising and speedworks, you should go to Genting Peras in Hulu Langat, Genting Sempah or KKB - Fraser's Hill...

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Hill climbs is the fastest way to get fit..

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Sam I really admire u can pedal uphill so easily. U must be very fit. I really need to work harder, cos ppl ask me join them go uphill or round Island, I not dare go... sweat.gif

Dun know when i can be ready...