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post Feb 14 2012, 11:48 PM, updated 14y ago

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Inilah yang selama ini kita semua nantikan. Gambar & Info lengkap mengenai P3-21A akhirnya telah terbongkar!!! Menurut blog proton-sales.blogspot.com gambar dan info ini diambil semasa sesi ‘P3-21A Product Knowledge Training’ baru-baru ini. Terima kasih kepada sahabat kita bro Nazz P1 Glenmarie kerana berkongsi gambar & info TERHANGAT ini!!!

AKSESORI :

Auto fold/unfold side mirror – Side mirror akan Automatic fold setiap kali alarm kereta diaktifkan, dan automatik unfold selepas kenderaan bergerak selaju 5km. Selain itu ada juga button untuk kegunaan manual seperti Exora BOLD
Auto Off Rear Demister – Mengelakan tint menggelembung
Follow Home Lamp
Headlamp Warning Buzzer
Trunk Remote Release
Front & rear socket 12V – Terdapat di bahagian hadapan dan belakang Utility Hook
- Seperti Exora, terdapat di ruang penumpang hadapan dan juga belakang Low Rear Hump
- Ruang kaki penumpang belakang tidak lagi sempat dengan bonggolan lantai ditengah yang rendah.
Front & Rear Fog Lamp
Anti-Trap Power Windor (Driver side only)
Seat Material – Water repelent fabric. Seat boleh fold 60:40
Smart Info Display (SID) – Mempunyai 3 bacaan kilometer, Trip A, Trip B dan Trip C. Terdapat pelbagai lagi maklumat seperti memberi amaran jika bateri kunci lemah dan lain-lain
Autolock & advance lock system
Magnisium Inside Door Handle
Keyless Entry – Tiada lubang kunci pada keempat-empat pemegang pintu
BOSCH Head-Unit – 2-Din, Touch Screen Monitor, Navigator, Bluetooth, USB, AUX, MP3
YES WiFi Modem – In-car Internet, first ever car in Malaysia, coverage Semenanjung Malaysia
S Mode (Sport) – Terdapat pada gear column (P-R-N-D-S), S Mode akan menambah RPM sebanyak 1,000 secara serta-merta untuk pemanduan lebih agresif.
BCM – Body Control Module

SAFETY :

4 Wheel ABS & EBD with 4 Wheel Disc Brake
TC (Traction Control)
ESC (Electronic Stability Control)
BA (Braking Assist)
4 AIRBAG – Airbag penumpang hadapan boleh di ON/OFF, untuk keselematan jika Bayi diletak kan di tempat duduk.
5 STARS Australia NCAP – Orang ramai tidak lagi perlu ragu-ragu tentang ketulenan markah penuh ujian perlanggaran, kerana prosedur NCAP, pemilihan unit yang akan di uji bukan pemilihan dari Proton atau syarikat pembuat kereta. Tetapi wakil NCAP dari Austrlia akan datang sendiri ke kilang dan memilih sendiri secara rawak unit yang akan di uji. Jadi tiada lagi persoalan tentang markah penuh ujian perlanggaran NCAP.

DIMENSION
Length = 4.543m
Width = 1.786m
Height = 1.524m

CHASSIS
Boot Space: 508 litre
Turning Radius: 5.3m
Full Tank Capacity: 50 litre
Aerodynamic (rintangan angin): Cd Factor = 0.30
- Untuk perbandingan, Audi TT memiliki Cd Factor = 0.29

POWERTRAIN
1.6 CFE with 7speed Pro-Tronic CVT3 (VVT)
0-100km/h: 9.6 saat
- Untuk perbandingan, Kia Forte 1.6 12.5 saat

VARIANT
Executive MT, 1.6 IAFM+ 5-Speed MT
Executive CVT, 1.6 IAFM+ 6-Speed CVT
Premuim CVT, 1.6 CFE 7-Speed CVT

COLOR
Solid White
Tranquility Black
Genetic Silver
Fire Red (my favorite)
Blue Lagoon

PRICE
RM65,000 – RM75,000

Ciri-ciri lain yang telah disebarkan sebelum ini

Auto Cruise
Keyless Push Start (ON/OFF)
Magnesium Paddle Shift 7-speed & Manual Mode (+/-) di gear column
Audio Switch Steering Control
Soft touch plastic dashboard
Emblem at Steering Wheel
ISOFIX
Rain Sensor
Light Sensor
Front LED day light
Sport Rim 16″ (10 Spoke)
Multi-link rear suspension

Sementara itu, saya sempat menyampaikan pendapat komentar-komentar di internet dan blog kepada pihak atasan Proton secara individu, yang mana Proton kurang membuat pengiklanan dan promosi di Television tentang kelebihan dan ciri-ciri yang ada dalam kereta-kereta Proton. Pihak atasan Proton menerima pendapat tersebut dan susulan segera akan diambil. Terima kasih kepada yang memberikan pendapat dan maklum balas.

Secara keseluruhan dan peribadinya, saya amat berpuas hati dengan ciri-ciri yang diberi. Dari segi reka bentuk, saya yakin ramai akan berpuas hati. Dan secara keseluruhan, semua ciri-ciri (Aksesori, Performance, Safety, Space) yang diberi, tiada dalam City, Vios, Forte, Altis, Civic, Swift, Fiesta. Mungkin salah asatu atau beberapa ada, tetapi bukan semua sekali gus dalam sat kereta. Ciri-ciri sebegini hanya mungkin ada dalam sebuah kereta RM130k dan keatas.

P3-21A, DRIVE IT TO BELIEVE IT!!!!
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post Feb 14 2012, 11:50 PM

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it looks so sad.


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post Feb 14 2012, 11:51 PM

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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Feb 14 2012, 11:50 PM)
it looks so sad.
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wait for this fella to do his magic

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post Feb 14 2012, 11:53 PM

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post Feb 14 2012, 11:54 PM

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thinking on booking one
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post Feb 14 2012, 11:57 PM

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The dash looks nicer from this angle.
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post Feb 15 2012, 12:01 AM

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Thank you Naz
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post Feb 15 2012, 12:03 AM

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summore YES dongle tim...wow..
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post Feb 15 2012, 12:04 AM

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post Feb 15 2012, 12:04 AM

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not bad..but lets see it in reality..instantaneous fc display is a good feature!

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post Feb 15 2012, 12:06 AM

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QUOTE(megat89 @ Feb 15 2012, 12:04 AM)
funtasticko>paultan..paultan is only full with bmw news..
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his blog is biased.

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post Feb 15 2012, 12:07 AM

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Great car! can i order 1 now?
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QUOTE(megat89 @ Feb 15 2012, 12:04 AM)
not bad..but lets see it in reality..
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Haha yup for proton, funtasticko and proton-sales(Naz).
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post Feb 15 2012, 12:09 AM

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QUOTE(ericmaxman @ Feb 15 2012, 12:06 AM)
his blog is biased.

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my email kena banned already i think..post anything also wont pop up..
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post Feb 15 2012, 12:11 AM

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QUOTE(megat89 @ Feb 15 2012, 12:09 AM)
my email kena banned already i think..post anything also wont pop up..
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post Feb 15 2012, 12:13 AM

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wow!!!!

I am really waiting this model to release in market (or it already release)? and any 1 know what will be the price range?
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post Feb 15 2012, 12:14 AM

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sound like world class car just like every other proton.
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QUOTE(ju146 @ Feb 15 2012, 12:13 AM)
wow!!!!

I am really waiting this model to release in market (or it already release)? and any 1 know what will be the price range?
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post Feb 15 2012, 12:16 AM

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I think if added bodykits. it would look more cool smile.gif but no doubt, the spec list is tempting

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Fulamak!!! If this car selling at 60-65K range then lagi power, lagi best SE and Extreme 1.5 sure need manyak2 "lagi" for some serious competition.

Really looking forward the car launching in March.
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QUOTE(zhngmykahzhng @ Feb 15 2012, 12:19 AM)
Fulamak!!! If this car selling at 60-65K range then lagi power, lagi best SE and Extreme 1.5 sure need manyak2 "lagi" for some serious competition.

Really looking forward the car launching in March.
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cannot sell too cheap lar..otherwise who want to buy the persona..since it is not stopped selling yet..this car is exactly priced like the waja..this is a good start for proton to go globally..now they can compete in terms of features..yeah!!abolish all the excessive car duty now!!!
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not bad spec for that price.... 75k worth....

but too bad don have CFE + 6MT as rumour said.....

but why the presentation need to show other company car about the headlamp....
jz mention got projector headlamp instead of the reflector one ok already lor... sweat.gif

0.30cd aerodynamic drag co-efficient not bad.... even mclaren f1 also rated at 0.32cd icon_idea.gif

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post Feb 15 2012, 12:28 AM

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spec looks tempting... not bad afterall, lets just wait to see the real deal
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post Feb 15 2012, 12:32 AM

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Doesn't matter la. Can only wait for the official launching and hope my fellow Malaysian shall getting a well deserve car.

All we need is a good car with the right price. Please do it correctly for us and we do rightly deserve it for so long.
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QUOTE(nzh0920 @ Feb 15 2012, 12:27 AM)
not bad spec for that price.... 75k worth....

but too bad don have CFE + 6MT as rumour said.....

but why the presentation need to show other company car about the headlamp....
jz mention got projector headlamp instead of the reflector one ok already lor... sweat.gif

0.30cd aerodynamic drag co-efficient not bad.... even mclaren f1 also rated at 0.32cd  icon_idea.gif
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i think it just friendly comparing at the presentation to the staff members..

about aero dynamic the hood reminds me the new bmw looks, looks with muscle it's so nice
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this model can kill Civic/Altis sekaligus, LOL
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post Feb 15 2012, 12:40 AM

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with that price and spec , Altis, Vios, City, Civic, Myvi can forget about making any sales.
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QUOTE(Mikeshashimi @ Feb 15 2012, 12:40 AM)
with that price and spec , Altis, Vios, City, Civic, Myvi can forget about making any sales.
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one more things, slightly quality that can make malaysian forget about proton past QA and 5star after sale service, then good to go
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QUOTE(dadurtyz @ Feb 15 2012, 12:42 AM)
one more things, slightly quality that can make malaysian forget about proton past QA and 5star after sale service, then good to go
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Can't recall which Proton CEO said that they were too damn busy to check every part sweat.gif shakehead.gif
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post Feb 15 2012, 12:53 AM

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i just waiting to buy new car with this spec i already sold biggrin.gif
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post Feb 15 2012, 12:54 AM

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Where the hell is my 6-MT!!!!!!!!!
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post Feb 15 2012, 12:56 AM

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1.6 iafm+ and 1.6 cfe berapa beza bhp/torque?
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QUOTE(zamanjaafar @ Feb 15 2012, 12:56 AM)
1.6 iafm+ and 1.6 cfe berapa beza bhp/torque?
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my IAFM at 3.5 to 5k rpm 148nm while this CFE at 2k rpm produce 205nm, but i dont know if this new engine IAFM got slightly improvement for torque than IAFM in persona

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125 bhp vs 138bhp
148 nm vs 205 nm from 2000 ~ 4000rpm

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4 airbags? another model is 6 airbags? smile.gif
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Another model?
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post Feb 15 2012, 01:07 AM

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Looks like the mitsu fortis lines with a different front

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QUOTE(zamanjaafar @ Feb 15 2012, 01:05 AM)
Another model?
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Hatchback smile.gif
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if the car really looks like this
this its nice...for me
the interior is NICE
feature is good enough...considering the price range
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impressive spec. not bad at all
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post Feb 15 2012, 01:34 AM

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Huh! Indeed gonna be the best proton ever produced. Really look promising!
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i think the non cfe model,will be underpower... 5 star chassis sure 1300kg+ ad,
but the cfe model selling at 75k drool.gif drool.gif pwn vios,and city anyday laugh.gif

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dafaq, i want to sell all my properties for this proton first ever satisfied masterpiece. Milotin and Vios can gtfo.

Vios: HAHA stupid fella buy proton.

P3: oh well, my price is cheaper 75k. erm... 7 speeds pro-tronik. You mad?

Vios: ...


TOYOTA/HONDA/KIA/HYUNDAI/PERODUA: Shit just got serious this time...

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waiting info about fuel consumption and top speed happy.gif
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Proton is getting serious.
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QUOTE(izdyharz @ Feb 15 2012, 01:34 AM)
Huh! Indeed gonna be the best proton ever produced. Really look promising!
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this improvement u see will continue


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i think the non cfe model,will be underpower... 5 star chassis sure 1300kg+ ad,
but the cfe model selling at 75k  drool.gif  drool.gif  pwn vios,and city anyday  laugh.gif
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the non CFE(IAFM) will be underpower if it still uses 4AT
but the fact that its a 1.6L IAFM and using CVT GB
the power would be just enough and little bit more

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Now that we got the specs and price out of the way, we shall began to scrutinize the achilles heel of Proton - QC.

Will the dash rattle? will the breaks squeal? with something fall of after 3 months? only time will tell hmm.gif hmm.gif
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QUOTE(llutephie @ Feb 15 2012, 01:51 AM)
waiting info about fuel consumption and top speed happy.gif
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FC i think can refer to exora CFE
it should be lil bit lower
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Feb 15 2012, 01:56 AM)
FC i think can refer to exora CFE
it should be lil bit lower
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Hope FC lower than Exora Bold. happy.gif
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Nice dashboard
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SMOOTHE pickup on first slide. engrish FAIL lol proton but really bang for the buck this car ;D
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QUOTE(irving @ Feb 15 2012, 02:18 AM)
SMOOTHE pickup on first slide. engrish FAIL lol proton but really bang for the buck this car ;D
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The front lamp design looks sad like Skoda, should make it looks happier. I am happy to see ESC+TC+ 4 air bags in this car, hope Proton can make manual CFE available.

The ordinary vios and city comparison really make me LMAO
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the interior i like
got traction control ON/OFF
the door lock and unlock button is on the left... passenger easier to press
the H-line interior is nice
and the last slide...it did say yes modem
many thought it was an ads(when it was copied) last time the spec was exposed in another thread
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Nice product. Should've been better with a more upmarket presentation slides. The slides seems too focus on performance and that DRL (with comparison to other makes) e.g VW, Merc, Audi, Vios & City?
No need to compare. It should stands out by itself.

Also no need to highlight small features e.g headlamp buzzer..

Need a more professional slide segmentation with simple yet elegant theme + fonts.

Time to book one. Sure hope this is the turning point for Proton.
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it's for an internal presentation not for public consumption.

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I'm sold:
if the material inside is better quality, especially steering and better instrument display
some way to connect mp3 player

There goes the 16th March launch date tongue.gif Proton should launch it already since a lot of specs available online.

On another note: maybe proton should discipline staff for leaking models online without proton's approval?
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I'm sure when the car come out later, it will wow if not all, some of the Toyota/Kia/Honda enthusiast due to its spec. alone, plus,not to say cheap but the price is very competitive for a high spec at 75k.

This car will be Proton's flagship for the next couple of years.
But I surely won't be targeting this baby, hoping for the hatchback version that will come out next or next next year. Also hoping by that time Proton will come up with better engine to improve the already 5 star NCAP safety rating.

just my 2cent.
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i'm buying it.. biggrin.gif
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The overall deisgn is just Like the forte look.

But interior look is much better than forte a lot..
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Who's gonna be the 1st guinea pigs? What will happen to Inspira now?
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It is probably best proton to date.. but exterior looks like an overgrown saga blm a bit la.

the picture comparison of DRLs is kinda lame..
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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Feb 15 2012, 02:32 AM)
they're always known for spelling errors in their presentation slides.last time exora cfe also same
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typing error in any presentation is normal. sometimes boss want a presentation ASAP. maybe that just a small group presentation/discussion. smile.gif
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wonder...got seat belt reminder or not?
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Damn it.. it looks promising!.. just like others said.. hope to see CFE+ 6 speeds manual!.. then other brands can go fly kite~.. hehe
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not bad.. ppl say first batch more glitch, but from my experience, first batch should be better since QC more tight and VEC parts havent come in. dunno which theory apply to proton?
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QUOTE(xeratos_85 @ Feb 15 2012, 08:47 AM)
typing error in any presentation is normal. sometimes boss want a presentation ASAP. maybe that just a small group presentation/discussion.  smile.gif
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last time exora bold also like this.

so the next thing is.....QC problem is very normal biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(torres09 @ Feb 15 2012, 08:54 AM)
not bad.. ppl say first batch more glitch, but from my experience, first batch should be better since QC more tight and VEC parts havent come in. dunno which theory apply to proton?
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hmm....QC more tight, but they are not familiar with the process flow. and the common porblem havent surface.

better buy like after 6 months.
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QUOTE(xeratos_85 @ Feb 15 2012, 08:47 AM)
typing error in any presentation is normal. sometimes boss want a presentation ASAP. maybe that just a small group presentation/discussion.  smile.gif
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QUOTE(craxors @ Feb 15 2012, 08:47 AM)
wonder...got seat belt reminder or not?
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QUOTE(torres09 @ Feb 15 2012, 08:54 AM)
not bad.. ppl say first batch more glitch, but from my experience, first batch should be better since QC more tight and VEC parts havent come in. dunno which theory apply to proton?
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First few batches may have design flaws, for example the first batch FLX had problems with overheating CVTs and engine jerking due to design flaws. These were minor though, which were later rectified in the production line and later batches. But the early adopters will have to bear the risk.

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no reverse camera lcd like exora bold??
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no reverse camera lcd like exora bold??
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Need meh? hmm.gif the car aint that hard to park also..
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Need meh? hmm.gif the car aint that hard to park also..
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its necessary to beat forte.
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not to beat other cars la...but since exora got, why not put inside also.. smile.gif
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not to beat other cars la...but since exora got, why not put inside also.. smile.gif
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must have this, then forte fans is speechless biggrin.gif
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only forte did it for under 100k car biggrin.gif

must have this, then forte fans is speechless biggrin.gif
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i think its important to have....
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exora also <100k what...  smile.gif
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i think this one to replace persona
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i think this one to replace persona
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Looks like the mitsu fortis lines with a different front

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Who's gonna be the 1st guinea pigs? What will happen to Inspira now?
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no reverse camera lcd like exora bold??
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QUOTE(megat89 @ Feb 15 2012, 12:24 AM)
cannot sell too cheap lar..otherwise who want to buy the persona..since it is not stopped selling yet..this car is exactly priced like the waja..this is a good start for proton to go globally..now they can compete in terms of features..yeah!!abolish all the excessive car duty now!!!
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Persona production will be stopped once this P3-<something> launched. Even Persona now has been green lighted to be used as taxi beginning from last year.
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i dowan persona become taxi la, i dowan to drive a taxi doh.gif
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in some country, some very expensive car is taxi.

only in this country we see small saga blm as taxi.

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cars like altis,wish, S class those are taxi biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Feb 15 2012, 09:52 AM)
in some country, some very expensive car is taxi.

only in this country we see small saga blm as taxi.

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cars like altis,wish, S class those are taxi biggrin.gif
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nanti aku pigi dekat jpj suggest they make p3-21a as taxi
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turbo car as taxi.....petrol so cheap ar?

cannot fit NGV already! lol.
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taxi driver will kill you.

turbo car as taxi.....petrol so cheap ar?

cannot fit NGV already! lol.
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p321a to replace persona or inspira?some source say persona some source say inspira rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(Jazz6218 @ Feb 15 2012, 10:04 AM)
p321a to replace persona or inspira?some source say persona some source say inspira  rclxub.gif
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the 2 executive ones are still using IAFM @ S4PH @ campro 1.6 with IAFM .. which is the current PERSONA engine.
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QUOTE(Jazz6218 @ Feb 15 2012, 10:04 AM)
p321a to replace persona or inspira?some source say persona some source say inspira  rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(Jazz6218 @ Feb 15 2012, 01:43 AM)
i think the non cfe model,will be underpower... 5 star chassis sure 1300kg+ ad,
but the cfe model selling at 75k  drool.gif  drool.gif  pwn vios,and city anyday  laugh.gif
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persona C segment also selling RM10-30k cheaper than City and Dugong also cannot pawn doh.gif

people choose non-national brand due to face, nothing else, specs mean nothing doh.gif
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i think the non cfe model,will be underpower... 5 star chassis sure 1300kg+ ad,
but the cfe model selling at 75k  drool.gif  drool.gif  pwn vios,and city anyday  laugh.gif
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good car at good price and spec. however I doubt they'll beat the sales of vios nor myvi. can beat city, a little chance. though it was having higher spec.

anyway, mt for sure won't under power.
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QUOTE(timetravelller @ Feb 15 2012, 10:10 AM)
good car at good price and spec. however I doubt they'll beat the sales of vios nor myvi. can beat city, a little chance. though it was having higher spec.

anyway, mt for sure won't under power.
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local car at higher price, very hard la.

u see, inspira which is a lancer, cannot pwn honda city and vios!! imagine that.

a lancer cannot pwn city and vios.

this turbo car....well....its not going to lure the vios and city buyer.

its for persona/gen2/saga owner to upgrade. and frankly speaking, the first turbo mass prod car, ppl are sketical.
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wonder...got seat belt reminder or not?
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Feb 15 2012, 10:12 AM)
local car at higher price, very hard la.

u see, inspira which is a lancer, cannot pwn honda city and vios!!  imagine that.

a lancer cannot pwn city and vios.

this turbo car....well....its not going to lure the vios and city buyer.

its for persona/gen2/saga owner to upgrade. and frankly speaking, the first turbo mass prod car, ppl are sketical.
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i think inspira didn't pawn forte also...
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Feb 15 2012, 10:12 AM)
its for persona/gen2/saga owner to upgrade. and frankly speaking, the first turbo mass prod car, ppl are sketical.
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This is the 2nd Proton model to get the CFE. Exora was the first.

I think sales wise, it would be better than Inspira, and at least, the hype of P 3-21 A is much greater than Inspira.

I do agree that P 3-21 A may not beat the sales of Vios, but City.......it's another question.
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QUOTE(kenji1903 @ Feb 15 2012, 10:18 AM)
i think inspira didn't pawn forte also...
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yalo yalo, inspira is such a pariah car that the only car it PAWNED is its own ORIGINAL Lancer brother.
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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Feb 15 2012, 10:19 AM)
yalo yalo, inspira is such a pariah car that the only car it PAWNED is its own ORIGINAL Lancer brother.
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wow...u guys driving car to pawn other car?? biggrin.gif

it look great with the spec and with that price. i think the market range is for persona replacement..
my only concern is on the proton QC...
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Feb 15 2012, 10:18 AM)
This is the 2nd Proton model to get the CFE. Exora was the first.

I think sales wise, it would be better than Inspira, and at least, the hype of P 3-21 A is much greater than Inspira.

I do agree that P 3-21 A may not beat the sales of Vios, but City.......it's another question.
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er....yea, my mass prod car means sedan, MPV was never a big number. look at exora sales number.

Inspira less hype? lol. with the halo of mitsubishi lancer, its still hard to sell the car.

this proton local design car? i'm not sure.

ppl just hated proton.
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yalo yalo, inspira is such a pariah car that the only car it PAWNED is its own ORIGINAL Lancer brother.
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yalo hoh, ciplak campro with mivec. That CVT is made by who ah? PROTOCO ah?
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yalo hoh, ciplak campro with mivec. That CVT is made by who ah? PROTOCO ah?
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doh.gif the name of the place already ulu.
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but persona 50k-60k range,tis car 65k-75k range,the gap still quite big(for me tongue.gif )

i think p321a shuld sell more than inspira,simply becoz 100% ori,n have nothing for others to critic for thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(Jazz6218 @ Feb 15 2012, 10:50 AM)
but persona 50k-60k range,tis car 65k-75k range,the gap still quite big(for me tongue.gif )

i think p321a shuld sell more than inspira,simply becoz 100% ori,n have nothing for others to critic for thumbup.gif
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just like other original proton car thumbup.gif chick magnet thumbup.gif

that why they keep persona i guess ,cos for it to cater lower price range market.
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QUOTE(Jazz6218 @ Feb 15 2012, 10:50 AM)
but persona 50k-60k range,tis car 65k-75k range,the gap still quite big(for me tongue.gif )

i think p321a shuld sell more than inspira,simply becoz 100% ori,n have nothing for others to critic for thumbup.gif
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yalo hoh, ciplak campro with mivec. That CVT is made by who ah? PROTOCO ah?
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Proton should advertise the car in a more positive way like the strong chassis, handling and torque /speed in some good scene with challenging road. Dont just show some padi field or old balik kampung scene or even throwing the car from a monster that not really interest the potential buyer.

How can a boot space able to fill in more durians can interest the buyer? Even if you attempt a more glamorous city sky-scraper or 5 stars hotel grand entrance with a slow motion with nicely tux guy or well dress bootylicious girl, it will not interest the buyer because the car is not at a premium /luxurious line.

A turbocharge car should put in the more aggressive and stylish street legal aspect then slowly the goodies shall be known as worth it.

Boastful paper specs with too many gadgetry from Proton is no longer capturing the market. Show us more videos like maybe "The making of P321A" documentary style and build back the confidence. Don't act childishly like those KL Drift or arrogance thrashing competitor cars like Top Gear. Even those local media car tune magazines should provide unbiased review.

Start it the right way if this car really worth it and do it like a big man if this is the global market car. All the best!!!! [Don't just stop at only "Lagi Power, Lagi Best"] smile.gif
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Proton should advertise the car in a more positive way like the strong chassis, handling and torque /speed in some good scene with challenging road. Dont just show some padi field or old balik kampung scene or even throwing the car from a monster that not really interest the potential buyer.

How can a boot space able to fill in more durians can interest the buyer? Even if you attempt a more glamorous city sky-scraper or 5 stars hotel grand entrance with a slow motion with nicely tux guy or well dress bootylicious girl, it will not interest the buyer because the car is not at a premium /luxurious line.

A turbocharge car should put in the more aggressive and stylish street legal aspect then slowly the goodies shall be known as worth it.

Boastful paper specs with too many gadgetry from Proton is no longer capturing the market. Show us more videos like maybe "The making of P321A" documentary style and build back the confidence. Don't act childishly like those KL Drift or arrogance thrashing competitor cars like Top Gear. Even those local media car tune magazines should provide unbiased review.

Start it the right way if this car really worth it and do it like a big man if this is the global market car. All the best!!!! [Don't just stop at only "Lagi Power, Lagi Best"] smile.gif
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QUOTE(zhngmykahzhng @ Feb 15 2012, 11:01 AM)
Proton should advertise the car in a more positive way like the strong chassis, handling and torque /speed in some good scene with challenging road. Dont just show some padi field or old balik kampung scene or even throwing the car from a monster that not really interest the potential buyer.

How can a boot space able to fill in more durians can interest the buyer? Even if you attempt a more glamorous city sky-scraper or 5 stars hotel grand entrance with a slow motion with nicely tux guy or well dress bootylicious girl, it will not interest the buyer because the car is not at a premium /luxurious line.

A turbocharge car should put in the more aggressive and stylish street legal aspect then slowly the goodies shall be known as worth it.

Boastful paper specs with too many gadgetry from Proton is no longer capturing the market. Show us more videos like maybe "The making of P321A" documentary style and build back the confidence. Don't act childishly like those KL Drift or arrogance thrashing competitor cars like Top Gear. Even those local media car tune magazines should provide unbiased review.

Start it the right way if this car really worth it and do it like a big man if this is the global market car. All the best!!!! [Don't just stop at only "Lagi Power, Lagi Best"] smile.gif
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this one from perodua lar

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this one from perodua lar
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the FLX one,

Pressure Your Peer, right?

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Well look at it this way.....

Proton have not come out with a car that once I saw it I think "OMG!! I HAVE to buy it!"... yet

Do I expect Proton to come out with a total superstar that will blow T & H out of the market? Not really...

IT might look impressive on paper.... but.... i have a nagging feeling... things will not be a rosy in reality..
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Start it the right way if this car really worth it and do it like a big man if this is the global market car. All the best!!!! [Don't just stop at only "Lagi Power, Lagi Best"] smile.gif
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THE Best slogan for local car, just like honda the power of dreams.

lagi power, lagi best rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(bojek @ Feb 15 2012, 06:07 AM)
I'm sure when the car come out later, it will wow if not all, some of the Toyota/Kia/Honda enthusiast due to its spec. alone, plus,not to say cheap but  the price is very competitive for a high spec at 75k.

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QUOTE(zhngmykahzhng @ Feb 15 2012, 11:01 AM)
Proton should advertise the car in a more positive way like the strong chassis, handling and torque /speed in some good scene with challenging road. Dont just show some padi field or old balik kampung scene or even throwing the car from a monster that not really interest the potential buyer.

How can a boot space able to fill in more durians can interest the buyer? Even if you attempt a more glamorous city sky-scraper or 5 stars hotel grand entrance with a slow motion with nicely tux guy or well dress bootylicious girl, it will not interest the buyer because the car is not at a premium /luxurious line.

A turbocharge car should put in the more aggressive and stylish street legal aspect then slowly the goodies shall be known as worth it.

Boastful paper specs with too many gadgetry from Proton is no longer capturing the market. Show us more videos like maybe "The making of P321A" documentary style and build back the confidence. Don't act childishly like those KL Drift or arrogance thrashing competitor cars like Top Gear. Even those local media car tune magazines should provide unbiased review.

Start it the right way if this car really worth it and do it like a big man if this is the global market car. All the best!!!! [Don't just stop at only "Lagi Power, Lagi Best"] smile.gif
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yeah true....they need new agency...to think how to capture the ppl laugh.gif ....for me..with all the features..i wld buy tis car...great promising engine can coop with all my 75% aggressive time style of driving...normally ppl upgrade for more spec n comfortably car.....not from comfort car to racing car... better buy 1 economy family relax car and another 1 for racing biggrin.gif ...
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QUOTE(hexer_xavier @ Feb 15 2012, 11:51 AM)
the FLX one,

Pressure Your Peer, right?

that was lame.
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if your peer driving vios city, they will said, meh...

if your peer driving other proton/p2, they will say, local car only ma.

so, no pressure biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(hexer_xavier @ Feb 15 2012, 11:51 AM)
the FLX one,

Pressure Your Peer, right?

that was lame.
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malay version, kawan anda pasti cemburu..also lame.. doh.gif
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QUOTE(hexer_xavier @ Feb 15 2012, 11:51 AM)
the FLX one,

Pressure Your Peer, right?

that was lame.
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That was FLX SE...


QUOTE(turbocharged @ Feb 15 2012, 11:51 AM)
THE Best slogan for local car, just like honda the power of dreams.

lagi power, lagi best  rclxms.gif
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When the FLX was first launched it came up with a more tarded version of "Lagi Best"..... "It's Even Better."

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QUOTE(MeToo @ Feb 15 2012, 11:51 AM)
Well look at it this way.....

Proton have not come out with a car that once I saw it I think "OMG!! I HAVE to buy it!"... yet

Do I expect Proton to come out with a total superstar that will blow T & H out of the market? Not really...

IT might look impressive on paper.... but.... i have a nagging feeling... things will not be a rosy in reality..
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even if they do... proton has its branding the wrong way for more than a decade...
only people on a budget will buy proton doh.gif
and people are willing to stretch a bit just not to get a proton doh.gif


Added on February 15, 2012, 11:57 am
QUOTE(turbocharged @ Feb 15 2012, 11:52 AM)
if your peer driving vios city, they will said, meh...

if your peer driving other proton/p2, they will say, local car only ma.

so, no pressure biggrin.gif
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i like the Scirocco slogan: "Ye shall be good..." rclxms.gif

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even if they do... proton has its branding the wrong way for more than a decade...
only people on a budget will buy proton doh.gif
and people are willing to stretch a bit just not to get a proton doh.gif
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people with budget but have some SENSE in their head will just avoid it.

my mother told me to get a BLM, my father said waja.

i just straight use the deposit money to get an old junk, E36.

best.decision.ever
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QUOTE(hexer_xavier @ Feb 15 2012, 12:00 PM)
people with budget but have some SENSE in their head will just avoid it.

my mother told me to get a BLM, my father said waja.

i just straight use the deposit money to get an old junk, E36.

best.decision.ever
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how much is the first maintenance? tongue.gif

btw, if sales pwning car, i think kancil and viva should be the winner!

about commercial, can't say la, lol, later maybe they make a commercial about the car being very fast chasing by a ufo? lol, they got ridiculous idea, look at savvy's doh.gif
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QUOTE(hexer_xavier @ Feb 15 2012, 12:00 PM)
people with budget but have some SENSE in their head will just avoid it.

my mother told me to get a BLM, my father said waja.

i just straight use the deposit money to get an old junk, E36.

best.decision.ever
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Smart wor... who will so dumb buy Proton?! Only people with no money will ever buy a proton man.

Especially those over glorified Inspira with their Campro engine.. sigh... E36 sure blow them all out of the water lah! Can get more chicks also!
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QUOTE(AlexLee277 @ Feb 15 2012, 12:05 PM)
how much is the first maintenance?  tongue.gif

btw, if sales pwning car, i think kancil and viva should be the winner!

about commercial, can't say la, lol, later maybe they make a commercial about the car being very fast chasing by a ufo? lol, they got ridiculous idea, look at savvy's  doh.gif
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Just make a commercial of the car pwning Vios and City lookalikes rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Feb 15 2012, 10:12 AM)
local car at higher price, very hard la.

u see, inspira which is a lancer, cannot pwn honda city and vios!!  imagine that.

a lancer cannot pwn city and vios.

this turbo car....well....its not going to lure the vios and city buyer.

its for persona/gen2/saga owner to upgrade. and frankly speaking, the first turbo mass prod car, ppl are sketical.
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not alot of ppl buy mitsu lancer in real as well
so inspira won't do that much better
inspira is at a class of it own and this p3-21a is also at a class of its own
1 using 2.0L mivec...1 is turbocharged 1.6L
in terms of spec and price already beat both but ppl will still buy vios because of brand and face...


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Proton should advertise the car in a more positive way like the strong chassis, handling and torque /speed in some good scene with challenging road. Dont just show some padi field or old balik kampung scene or even throwing the car from a monster that not really interest the potential buyer.

How can a boot space able to fill in more durians can interest the buyer? Even if you attempt a more glamorous city sky-scraper or 5 stars hotel grand entrance with a slow motion with nicely tux guy or well dress bootylicious girl, it will not interest the buyer because the car is not at a premium /luxurious line.

A turbocharge car should put in the more aggressive and stylish street legal aspect then slowly the goodies shall be known as worth it.

Boastful paper specs with too many gadgetry from Proton is no longer capturing the market. Show us more videos like maybe "The making of P321A" documentary style and build back the confidence. Don't act childishly like those KL Drift or arrogance thrashing competitor cars like Top Gear. Even those local media car tune magazines should provide unbiased review.

Start it the right way if this car really worth it and do it like a big man if this is the global market car. All the best!!!! [Don't just stop at only "Lagi Power, Lagi Best"] smile.gif
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well..the thing is proton's aim is low income and middle income group that is simple minded
using simple thing to explain to them makes them easy to understand
how to easily make them see how big is the boot is to see how many durian or watermelon can be put inside there
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QUOTE(MeToo @ Feb 15 2012, 12:05 PM)
Smart wor... who will so dumb buy Proton?! Only people with no money will ever buy a proton man.

Especially those over glorified Inspira with their Campro engine.. sigh... E36 sure blow them all out of the water lah! Can get more chicks also!
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ya...E36 very nice oh
who doesn't want
u can afford the car...can u afford the maintainance?...spare parts?
most ppl think they just have to pay for the car and nothing else
they never think abt what need to pay after buying the car
minor and major service, tyres, faulty spare parts, road tax, insurance

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QUOTE(hexer_xavier @ Feb 15 2012, 12:00 PM)
people with budget but have some SENSE in their head will just avoid it.

my mother told me to get a BLM, my father said waja.

i just straight use the deposit money to get an old junk, E36.

best.decision.ever
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LOL, same like me, bought an old E30 coupe lately. i'll never listen to my parent's advice about cars, they have been "advising" me for 13 years, i listened once when i'm buying my first car, sold it after 1 year and swore never to listen to them ever again. imagine, my dad drives a Toyota Unser even though he can buy something that is 10 times better.....

back to topic, 65-75k for a proton sedan is just overpriced, come on, add a bit more u can get japs and contis. if proton wants to capture more market share, their sedans shouldn't be priced more than 65k. I don't want stupid LED headlights or stupid info display thingy on the dash. I want an affordable, comfortable sedan with a good engine, not adding more gimmicks so that they'll spoil after a year or two. Proton is on the right track on the FLX 1.6, now where's the Saga with the Exora Bold turbo engine?

and what's with the headlight buzzard thingy? this "technology" is so old it predates my grandma, don't make me laugh

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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Feb 15 2012, 12:38 PM)
LOL, same like me, bought an old E30 coupe lately.  i'll never listen to my parent's advice about cars, they have been "advising" me for 13 years, i listened once when i'm buying my first car, sold it after 1 year and swore never to listen to them ever again.  imagine, my dad drives a Toyota Unser even though he can buy something that is 10 times better.....

back to topic, 65-75k for a proton sedan is just overpriced, come on, add a bit more u can get japs and contis.  if proton wants to capture more market share, their sedans shouldn't be priced more than 65k.  I don't want stupid LED headlights or stupid info display thingy on the dash.  I want an affordable, comfortable sedan with a good engine, not adding more gimmicks so that they'll spoil after a year or two.  Proton is on the right track on the FLX 1.6, now where's the Saga with the Exora Bold turbo engine?

and what's with the headlight buzzard thingy?  this "technology" is so old it predates my grandma, don't make me laugh
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The standard price for C-segment without heavy taxes is around RM 6x to 8x,xxx.

A Corolla in China costs between RM 60k to RM 89k.

P 3-21 A competes against Corolla rather than Vios.

That said, I do understand why people choose a Vios or City. However, I think, we should reserve our judgment, only when people tried it, tested it or the first batch of users smile.gif
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Feb 15 2012, 12:27 PM)
ya...E36 very nice oh
who doesn't want
u can afford the car...can u afford the maintainance?...spare parts?
most ppl think they just have to pay for the car and nothing else
they never think abt what need to pay after buying the car
minor and major service, tyres, faulty spare parts, road tax, insurance
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if you go autobavaria or sunway workshop, guaranteed they are going to strangle you alive.

i bought the car on the same time my colleague got a waja. let me tell you something, he spend a lot more for maintenance compared to me.

failed radiator, twice failed power windows, failed fuel pump doh.gif

me? just regular oil change .. and 17" tire.
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QUOTE(hexer_xavier @ Feb 15 2012, 01:02 PM)
if you go autobavaria or sunway workshop, guaranteed they are going to strangle you alive.

i bought the car on the same time my colleague got a waja. let me tell you something, he spend a lot more for maintenance compared to me.

failed radiator, twice failed power windows, failed fuel pump  doh.gif

me? just regular oil change .. and 17" tire.
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well good choice, no one force you to take proton right? it's depend on individual needs with brand or affordable. every car sure got wear and tear parts so cant agreed more about lot maintenance issue. who knows what major prob will happen with your car near soon and suddenly cost you more than your car? cross finger

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CVT... puik....

real man drive stick
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QUOTE(hexer_xavier @ Feb 15 2012, 01:02 PM)
if you go autobavaria or sunway workshop, guaranteed they are going to strangle you alive.

i bought the car on the same time my colleague got a waja. let me tell you something, he spend a lot more for maintenance compared to me.

failed radiator, twice failed power windows, failed fuel pump  doh.gif

me? just regular oil change .. and 17" tire.
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hmm..i've a waja as well
other than power window which i didn't bother to fix
pretty much the car is problem-free
just need to do regular service only
my dad didn't take care of it well also no problem and by not taking care well i mean his theory of service is
1st service 5000...next service 10000KM...and by 10000KM is not 10000KM in meter...is adding 10000KM to that 5000
got 1 time he never service the car for 20k KM
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QUOTE(hexer_xavier @ Feb 15 2012, 01:02 PM)
if you go autobavaria or sunway workshop, guaranteed they are going to strangle you alive.

i bought the car on the same time my colleague got a waja. let me tell you something, he spend a lot more for maintenance compared to me.

failed radiator, twice failed power windows, failed fuel pump  doh.gif

me? just regular oil change .. and 17" tire.
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Ya ya I agree with u!

BMW no problem.. so cool.. can get much face compared to driving proton...

My colleague 5 series no problem... each service only cost RM1500...

Oh ya.. last service brake disc slightly thin... change lor.. that service only cost RM3000...

Oh ya... last month his wishbone back suspension got some rubber thing cracked... change only RM5000 mah...

WHo so dumb dumb buy Proton... BMW better for sure bro! thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(MeToo @ Feb 15 2012, 01:19 PM)
Ya ya I agree with u!

BMW no problem.. so cool.. can get much face compared to driving proton...

My colleague 5 series  no problem... each service only cost RM1500...

Oh ya.. last service brake disc slightly thin... change lor.. that service only cost RM3000...

Oh ya... last month his wishbone back suspension got some rubber thing cracked... change only RM5000 mah...

WHo so dumb dumb buy Proton... BMW better for sure bro!  thumbup.gif
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aiyo, your fren so funny.

go buy rm40k bmw la. thing spoilt you go buy half cut la. so simple!

why buy new car when you can have old one at 15% price only!!!

my fren's fren's fren service cheaper than waja, his bmw use mineral oil, and another waja so funny use fully syn, rclxub.gif

everyday got ugly chick nagging him to send them home!!

the best part is.....what car do you drive? BM..... whistling.gif

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QUOTE(MeToo @ Feb 15 2012, 12:05 PM)
Smart wor... who will so dumb buy Proton?! Only people with no money will ever buy a proton man.

Especially those over glorified Inspira with their Campro engine.. sigh... E36 sure blow them all out of the water lah! Can get more chicks also!
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proof pls inspira using campro
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lol old old bm,gal dun like 1  laugh.gif
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proof pls inspira using campro
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http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2226255/+120
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looooool!
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inspira cheapskate please dont bring your troll to this thread, otherwise this thread will be 100page never end story.

i want puke already with shyt campro on your car

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First thoughts: Doesn't look bad. The Tuah front was nicer, but oh well. Reminds _a lot_ of the Euro style Civic, if everything would be covered by glass.

That is one ugly rear spoiler! Totally ruins the lines. Is it really necessary? If so, couldn't it have been included into the lid?

Interior is decent from what I can tell. The passenger side looks very much like a VW.

ESC and TC!!!

There is a button for the seatbelt reminder?

I hope the location for deactivating the passenger airbag is a bit more hidden... usually the indicator is on the dashboard, and you deactivate it for example next to the driver door, with the car keys. However that may be too much effort for Malaysians to bother when they carry their kids.

It'd be nice if the driver also has a way to unlock from his side... in my Renault the button is in the center, so driver and passenger can reach it.

A 12V socket in the rear is very much appreciated.

I wonder if the 2 side airbags are of the combined type... that is normally there is a side airbag and a window airbag, but some cars combine those, so while they officially have only 4 airbags it is as if they had 6.

Over all a good effort. Could be a 12000 Euro car perhaps in top spec, which would be competitive. They could price it higher than that... going against i30 and cee'd.

This won't replace the Inspira, people still need a car they can mod into an EVO. smile.gif

In Germany taxis used to be Mercedes la... it's not bad to drive a taxi. I think Mercedes E class is still most common, followed by VW Passat and Touran. (Merc does offer specially prepared cars with longer lasting brakes etc. and better service for Taxi drivers, and customers prefer to take the E class as a taxi).

Btw. turbo can help reducing FC thumbup.gif

I'd just crash the P3-21A into a Vios. That should be enough. But then again I guess there is a gentleman's agreement to not do such a direct comparison.

Perhaps compare the car against contis twice the price instead. Like Focus, C4, Golf. Well, if it is good enough of course. i.e. be so arrogant to not even compare against those Japs, because it's mean to pick on enemies that have no chance.

In any case I'd stress the safety features. Something like "Proton P3-21A. Because we care about you."? "Proton P3-21A. The safe choice." The ad could show 2 or 3 cars, P1, T and H, driving along when suddenly there is the need to make an evasive maneuver. T and H lose control, P1 doesn't, thanks to ESC. Slow motion videos of a Proton during a crash test could be shown, so slow that it makes it look like falling into a soft, nice pillow. Especially the side ones, which, surprise, T&H don't have.
It might be hard to stress a feature that doesn't bother many, but that can be changed (the other Protons are a problem though, as they aren't exactly meant to be very safe).

@stormlcc: The only conti that comes to mind is the Fiesta sedan... it is a safer car, but it is also smaller and more expensive. Not to mention Sime Darby. The Japanese cars really are no competition at all, the only thing that speaks for them is reliability (sure, a horse cart is also very reliable) and brand. LED daytime running lights increase the safety (you make other cars not crash into you thumbup.gif), that is very much a feature that I want (have to upgrade my car...). Also, the Japs in this price range are B segment cars. This is C segment, the only competition it has is the Forte.
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nice review from real enthusiast thumbup.gif , yes i also agreed if their compare with continental rather than japs, with 5star NCAP and offer with low price. maybe this market strategy to take-out japs domination in the car segment

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good good.

last time you trolls compare proton with perodua

then later on you compare with toyota and honda

now you compare with BMW.

i can see proton making improvement.

maybe in 10 years can compare with lambo hmm.gif whistling.gif
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Thanks! I remember the website for the new Merc B class, where they stressed how the car was tested, how it was developed, how expensive it was to develop etc.

Maybe (if the effort put into this car was impressive) they could do something similar. Even as an ad... newspaper, TV... something like: 100 designers. 2000 engineers. 200 test vehicles. 10 million km. 100 crash tests. We proudly present: The new Proton P3-21A (maybe a shot of all the employees that were involved standing around the car, like shot from a helicopter cause it's too many).

In any case there should be a lot of focus on the testing. Hopefully they had a camera team recording everything, show how they tested the prototypes for many many km on really poor roads, how the engines have done 300000 km and more (well, if they have of course), how Proton has focused on improving the quality both in developing the car and in QC. Many are worried about QC, so I think any good campaign should stress improvements in those areas (and if there weren't... forget about the car).
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QUOTE(be7a @ Feb 15 2012, 02:12 PM)
good good.

last time you trolls compare proton with perodua

then later on you compare with toyota and honda

now you compare with BMW.

i can see proton making improvement.

maybe in 10 years can compare with lambo hmm.gif whistling.gif
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but, the buzzer when headlamp is ON already on my 20 freaking years old car.

and proton put it as SMART FEATURE next to onboard modem.

wow. just wow.
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QUOTE(hexer_xavier @ Feb 15 2012, 02:14 PM)
but, the buzzer when headlamp is ON already on my 20 freaking years old car.

and proton put it as SMART FEATURE next to onboard modem.

wow. just wow.
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they got say it's new meh? that feature was already present in the satria neo whistling.gif
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Feb 15 2012, 02:12 PM)
Thanks! I remember the website for the new Merc B class, where they stressed how the car was tested, how it was developed, how expensive it was to develop etc.
Yeah true... maybe they should just practice with a short one using Proton Inspira.

They can just go to the Mitsu factory and make a short film there... but need to photoshop the worker's uniform lah to Proton Logo tongue.gif
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QUOTE(hexer_xavier @ Feb 15 2012, 02:14 PM)
but, the buzzer when headlamp is ON already on my 20 freaking years old car.

and proton put it as SMART FEATURE next to onboard modem.

wow. just wow.
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Yeah true... maybe they should just practice with a short one using Proton Inspira.

They can just go to the Mitsu factory and make a short film there... but need to photoshop the worker's uniform lah to Proton Logo  tongue.gif
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during the visit, ask those jap chicks change to proton uniform la.
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QUOTE(be7a @ Feb 15 2012, 02:12 PM)
good good.

last time you trolls compare proton with perodua

then later on you compare with toyota and honda

now you compare with BMW.

i can see proton making improvement.

maybe in 10 years can compare with lambo hmm.gif whistling.gif
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Not comparing with BMW. Normal contis. Ford, VW, Citroen, Peugeot.

Proton isn't competing with Lambo. That's Perodua.

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@hexer_xavier: Yeah, their marketing department... but those materials are for internal use only. Like what the SA is supposed to stress (again, why should he on a buzzer?!)
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i think inspira didn't pawn forte also...
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during the visit, ask those jap chicks change to proton uniform la.
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And film during uniform change?
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Not comparing with BMW. Normal contis. Ford, VW, Citroen, Peugeot.

Proton isn't competing with Lambo. That's Perodua.

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nice read on cfe engine.

http://funtastickodesign.files.wordpress.c...ssue_43_web.pdf
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hey, proton here too!!!

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Ha, Proton also so ambitious. laugh.gif Lamborghini qualities at a much much lower price. Who wouldn't want that?
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Plis dont make fun la..those victim in the picture was prego women died in the car sad.gif
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Feb 15 2012, 02:36 PM)
Ha, Proton also so ambitious. laugh.gif Lamborghini qualities at a much much lower price. Who wouldn't want that?
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left japanese car didn't do that only, GB also use back 4AT, only those real japanese made only uses CVT
japanese are playing it too safe..thus cannot compete with other brand
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4 AIRBAG – Airbag penumpang hadapan boleh di ON/OFF, untuk keselematan jika Bayi diletak kan di tempat duduk.

Are you kidding me....... what are potong thinking!!!!!!!!!

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4 AIRBAG – Airbag penumpang hadapan boleh di ON/OFF, untuk keselematan jika Bayi diletak kan di tempat duduk.

Are you kidding me....... what are potong thinking!!!!!!!!!
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weh, kete bau2 jepun je yg xde function nih.
kete2 conti dh lama ada dh.
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4 AIRBAG – Airbag penumpang hadapan boleh di ON/OFF, untuk keselematan jika Bayi diletak kan di tempat duduk.

Are you kidding me....... what are potong thinking!!!!!!!!!
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QUOTE(uexpress @ Feb 15 2012, 03:26 PM)
4 AIRBAG – Airbag penumpang hadapan boleh di ON/OFF, untuk keselematan jika Bayi diletak kan di tempat duduk.

Are you kidding me....... what are potong thinking!!!!!!!!!
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Hahahaha.. Blind bashers..
Airbags in front are a hazard when babies are sitting in the front passenger seat
they have to be turned off
Plenty of other cars have this function as well as a safety feature.
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QUOTE(jw_92 @ Feb 15 2012, 03:33 PM)
Hahahaha.. Blind bashers..
Airbags in front are a hazard when babies are sitting in the front passenger seat
they have to be turned off
Plenty of other cars have this function as well as a safety feature.
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every responsible parent knows that the safest place to put a baby seat is in the back, not in front. it really is a joke no matter which company puts an off button for the airbag, it should be on at all times or else what's the point of having an airbag? it's a stupid idea although i don't believe in airbags or other "safety" features.
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QUOTE(jw_92 @ Feb 15 2012, 03:33 PM)
Hahahaha.. Blind bashers..
Airbags in front are a hazard when babies are sitting in the front passenger seat
they have to be turned off
Plenty of other cars have this function as well as a safety feature.
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QUOTE(uexpress @ Feb 15 2012, 03:26 PM)
4 AIRBAG – Airbag penumpang hadapan boleh di ON/OFF, untuk keselematan jika Bayi diletak kan di tempat duduk.

Are you kidding me....... what are potong thinking!!!!!!!!!
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speed of air bag more than 200km/h would have break the neck of baby or kiddo.
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QUOTE(timetravelller @ Feb 15 2012, 03:46 PM)
speed of air bag more than 200km/h would have break the neck of baby or kiddo.
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every responsible parent knows that the safest place to put a baby seat is in the back, not in front.  it really is a joke no matter which company puts an off button for the airbag, it should be on at all times or else what's the point of having an airbag?  it's a stupid idea although i don't believe in airbags or other "safety" features.
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bro., do u have a baby?
let alone u have to carry the baby while no other person to monitor the baby for u.

having front passanger airbag is good for adult passanger.
having front passanger airbag switched off is a bliss for baby.
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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Feb 15 2012, 03:42 PM)
every responsible parent knows that the safest place to put a baby seat is in the back, not in front.  it really is a joke no matter which company puts an off button for the airbag, it should be on at all times or else what's the point of having an airbag?  it's a stupid idea although i don't believe in airbags or other "safety" features.
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This feature is invented because of using child seat with ISOFIX standard. It is normal for a mother to put her baby at the front seat so that she can still can see the baby. This is international standard already, if some of you don't understand that, don't blame the researchers that put a lot of time to improve the safety of the passengers.
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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Feb 15 2012, 03:42 PM)
every responsible parent knows that the safest place to put a baby seat is in the back, not in front.  it really is a joke no matter which company puts an off button for the airbag, it should be on at all times or else what's the point of having an airbag?  it's a stupid idea although i don't believe in airbags or other "safety" features.
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kancil sit 6 ppl also no problem laugh.gif
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Plis dont make fun la..those victim in the picture was prego women died in the car sad.gif
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Oh, sorry. Didn't know. My condolences.

@MR_alien: The Japanese are struggling a bit, but I think in Europe they do have competitive cars. Only in Malaysia a 4AT is a good feature, since mechanics know it well and it is well proven. smile.gif

Almost all contis (and Japs and Koreans in Europe) have that airbag turn off feature. You don't have it, you lose stars in EuroNCAP. There are rear mounted baby seats (baby facing the rear of the car, but sitting on the front seat). For those an airbag would be deadly. No airbag means the seatbelt and the baby seat will keep the baby safe. smile.gif

Judging from the thought that went into this car, and the features it has it is clear to me that they want to properly enter Europe again. Which could also be a great marketing strategy. "Proton P3-21A... outselling the Toyota Yaris/Vios in Europe." Ok... I think that's not going to happen because Yaris buyers are those who only care about reliability, it's more likely that the Proton hurts sales of Korean, Romanian and perhaps French cars.
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thumbup.gif Nice info about the CFE engine. I pretty much like 205nm of torque at 2000-4000rpm. And the turbocharger came from Borg-Warner ! At 1500 rpm, the engine already reach 150nm. This is sufficient enough to move the car in the city and should be low in FC. Looking forward for this new car.
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thumbup.gif  Nice info about the CFE engine. I pretty much like 205nm of torque at 2000-4000rpm. And the turbocharger came from Borg-Warner ! At 1500 rpm, the engine already reach 150nm. This is sufficient enough to move the car in the city and should be low in FC. Looking forward for this new car.
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0-100 in 9.6s.. quite respectable.. especially if a pimped-out satria neo lotus only does it in 9.2s.

Anyone can provide 0-100 numbers of other cars? i only know vios about 11-12s..
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i think the front end looks quite aggressive as it is.. but i think it looks better without that sorta dip below the logo, y is proton so adamant 2 have that anyway??

btw, looks promising.. one of my most anticipated cars 2 launch this year.. the buttons on the dash looks like a huge improvement than the buttons in protons of yesteryear.
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most of the part from our local car are from big big companies what.....only the design and assembly are local. and of cos those big big companies opened here and hired local ppl also.
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Doesnt matter where the part comes from. For me, the most important thing is the engine performance and reliability.

Reading this articles from Lotus really shows the performance of the car if you can see the graph. The power that came with it is actually higher than a 2.0 NA engine which IMHO is very good.

It also stated that the engine had been vigorously tested in different climate/altitude.
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Promising...tempting. But my waja is on its 3rd year sweat.gif
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QUOTE(jw_92 @ Feb 15 2012, 04:02 PM)
0-100 in 9.6s.. quite respectable.. especially if a pimped-out satria neo lotus only does it in 9.2s.

Anyone can provide 0-100 numbers of other cars? i only know vios about 11-12s..
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QUOTE(razkal @ Feb 15 2012, 04:07 PM)
Doesnt matter where the part comes from. For me, the most important thing is the engine performance and reliability.

Reading this articles from Lotus really shows the performance of the car if you can see the graph. The power that came with it is actually higher than a 2.0 NA engine which IMHO is very good.

It also stated that the engine had been vigorously  tested in different climate/altitude.
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1.6 turbo of cos more power than 2.0 la....otherwise why turbo? turbo is not cheap you know.

bmw/peugeot 1.6 turbo = torque is equal to 2.4 liter and bhp is equal to 2.0liter car.

this is power.
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Feb 15 2012, 09:09 AM)
1.6 turbo of cos more power than 2.0 la....otherwise why turbo? turbo is not cheap you know.

bmw/peugeot 1.6 turbo = torque is equal to 2.4 liter and bhp is equal to 2.0liter car.

this is power.
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Feb 15 2012, 04:09 PM)
1.6 turbo of cos more power than 2.0 la....otherwise why turbo? turbo is not cheap you know.

bmw/peugeot 1.6 turbo = torque is equal to 2.4 liter and bhp is equal to 2.0liter car.

this is power.
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well i guess it sorta helps when you have bmw and peugeot working on it together right? with proton and its budget sweat.gif
i think from the lotus article it said that they developed the torque to be within the limits of the Punch CVT gearbox and to be more reliable..
otherwise why stop at 138 hp??
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QUOTE(jw_92 @ Feb 15 2012, 04:02 PM)
0-100 in 9.6s.. quite respectable.. especially if a pimped-out satria neo lotus only does it in 9.2s.

Anyone can provide 0-100 numbers of other cars? i only know vios about 11-12s..
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actually it's pretty slow for a 1.6turbo...
Audi A1 1.4 TFSI S tronic 122bhp (A) 2011 - 8.9 secs
Volkswagen Golf Sport 1.4 TSI (DSG) 2009 - 8 secs
Peugeot 308 1.6 Turbo Allure Glass Roof 5-dr Facelift (A) 2011 - 8.8 secs
from http://www.oneshift.com/new_cars/ccd.php

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QUOTE(CooShyRee @ Feb 15 2012, 04:05 PM)
i think the front end looks quite aggressive as it is.. but i think it looks better without that sorta dip below the logo, y is proton so adamant 2 have that anyway??

btw, looks promising.. one of my most anticipated cars 2 launch this year.. the buttons on the dash looks like a huge improvement than the buttons in protons of yesteryear.
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I don't mind the dip, it looks good. However I think the whole air intake section is too big. A bit slimmer might look nicer. Also without the dip it could be possible to remove the logo for a cleaner, meaner look. Like people like to do with VWs.
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QUOTE(jw_92 @ Feb 15 2012, 09:14 AM)
well i guess it sorta helps when you have bmw and peugeot working on it together right? with proton and its budget  sweat.gif
i think from the lotus article it said that they developed the torque to be within the limits of the Punch CVT gearbox and to be more reliable..
otherwise why stop at 138 hp??
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Yerp..i.ve read that the punch CVT cant handle more than 205nm torque. If they use different gearbox, the power might be higher. Cause like you said. It was built within the limit of the gearbox.

But i guess it's better for proton cause now they start to compare with BMW. lol
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Feb 15 2012, 10:12 AM)
local car at higher price, very hard la.

u see, inspira which is a lancer, cannot pwn honda city and vios!!  imagine that.

a lancer cannot pwn city and vios.

this turbo car....well....its not going to lure the vios and city buyer.

its for persona/gen2/saga owner to upgrade. and frankly speaking, the first turbo mass prod car, ppl are sketical.
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Ya lor. Price pun power la.
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QUOTE(kenji1903 @ Feb 15 2012, 04:17 PM)
actually it's pretty slow for a 1.6turbo...
Audi A1 1.4 TFSI S tronic 122bhp (A) 2011 - 8.9 secs
Volkswagen Golf Sport 1.4 TSI (DSG) 2009 - 8 secs
Peugeot 308 1.6 Turbo Allure Glass Roof 5-dr Facelift (A) 2011 - 8.8 secs
from http://www.oneshift.com/new_cars/ccd.php
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bro, all those cars using Double clutches or like 308 T, uses aisin 6 speed, this one maybe they place a little lower to allow realistic numbers. MAybe dont want to over kill the product promo, later ppl time it cannot get, kena belasah from F&F again.
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QUOTE(sonyman @ Feb 15 2012, 04:20 PM)
also for those ppl like me driving a 12 year old waja to change.
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no wonder u still drive moto  unsure.gif
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lolx...im driving a 12 years old waja too~~~thinking to change new car also...xD
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QUOTE(sonyman @ Feb 15 2012, 04:25 PM)
bro, all those cars using Double clutches or like 308 T, uses aisin 6 speed, this one maybe they place a little lower to allow realistic numbers. MAybe dont want to over kill the product promo, later ppl time it cannot get, kena belasah from F&F again.
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QUOTE(kenji1903 @ Feb 15 2012, 04:17 PM)
actually it's pretty slow for a 1.6turbo...
Audi A1 1.4 TFSI S tronic 122bhp (A) 2011 - 8.9 secs
Volkswagen Golf Sport 1.4 TSI (DSG) 2009 - 8 secs
Peugeot 308 1.6 Turbo Allure Glass Roof 5-dr Facelift (A) 2011 - 8.8 secs
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er, frenchman is slow and steady, and take a cup of coffee....

same engine in mini cooper S, pls check the time wink.gif

mini cooper S 200kg lighter. 7 seconds wink.gif

so, 100kg = 1 second biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(kenji1903 @ Feb 15 2012, 04:17 PM)
actually it's pretty slow for a 1.6turbo...
Audi A1 1.4 TFSI S tronic 122bhp (A) 2011 - 8.9 secs
Volkswagen Golf Sport 1.4 TSI (DSG) 2009 - 8 secs
Peugeot 308 1.6 Turbo Allure Glass Roof 5-dr Facelift (A) 2011 - 8.8 secs
from http://www.oneshift.com/new_cars/ccd.php
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and how much are these cars selling?
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QUOTE(cfyong2020 @ Feb 15 2012, 04:25 PM)
lolx...im driving a 12 years old waja too~~~thinking to change new car also...xD
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i have been waiting for a moment, i refuse to get a vios, as it is wasting my money, but i dont want to spend too much on a car. more than 100k.

affordability issue. my criteria was to get a Forced inducted car or a Double clutched GB, otherwise CVT will do also. plus as much goodies as possible.

looking at this spec, even with inter wifi i say wah lau weh.
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well CVT will kill the 0-100 times..
a manual+CFE engine would have been perfect..
i wonder wat r3 can do to the car.. add a high pressure turbo or increase bar perhaps? tasty...
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Higher price than proton of course. You get what you pay for!

Higher perfomance engine = more money

But for this CFE engine i think it's more to the limitation of the gearbox.

At least now people are comparing proton's engine with the like of BMW and audi.

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I personally think that P3-21A is not a derivative of the 'Tuah' conceptual car. P3-21A is more like Pesona replacement.

The real 'tuah' most probably will use higher capacity engine which still in development (Family 'y') which comes in 1.2, 1.5 and 1.8l. All this might come with force induction (CFE) as well.

But seriously, P3-21A is gonna be a huge success for Proton (finger cross).
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QUOTE(MeToo @ Feb 15 2012, 12:05 PM)
Smart wor... who will so dumb buy Proton?! Only people with no money will ever buy a proton man.

Especially those over glorified Inspira with their Campro engine.. sigh... E36 sure blow them all out of the water lah! Can get more chicks also!
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Feb 15 2012, 03:55 PM)
Oh, sorry. Didn't know. My condolences.

@MR_alien: The Japanese are struggling a bit, but I think in Europe they do have competitive cars. Only in Malaysia a 4AT is a good feature, since mechanics know it well and it is well proven. smile.gif

Almost all contis (and Japs and Koreans in Europe) have that airbag turn off feature. You don't have it, you lose stars in EuroNCAP. There are rear mounted baby seats (baby facing the rear of the car, but sitting on the front seat). For those an airbag would be deadly. No airbag means the seatbelt and the baby seat will keep the baby safe. smile.gif
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the japanese actually have competitive car
cars having CVT GB and many features
but those car are for japanese and other foreign countries only
in asean, it is the higher end of the car...like altis and camry
the 5 local asean model doesn't stand a chance at all

and airbags on/off
other brand also have...ppl just quiet
when proton have it..ppl go bash abt it

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QUOTE(razkal @ Feb 15 2012, 04:31 PM)
Higher price than proton of course. You get what you pay for!

Higher perfomance engine = more money

But for this CFE engine i think it's more to the limitation of the gearbox.

At least now people are comparing proton's engine with the like of BMW and audi.
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yeah the gearbox limits the amount of torque that can be produced by the engine, if it's stronger, this engine has huge potential. i really do hope they can plug this engine into the SAGA, it'll be awesome if the price remains at around 50k max, P2 will really eat dust
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QUOTE(razkal @ Feb 15 2012, 04:07 PM)
Doesnt matter where the part comes from. For me, the most important thing is the engine performance and reliability.

Reading this articles from Lotus really shows the performance of the car if you can see the graph. The power that came with it is actually higher than a 2.0 NA engine which IMHO is very good.

It also stated that the engine had been vigorously  tested in different climate/altitude.
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performance...turbo charger is from Borg-Warner
and most of the part in the engine compartment is from japan...brand is mostly denso
aircon use the best...sanden brand
CVT from punch
proton's other part came from all around the world..like saga...got some part from turkey, from france...etc


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yeah the gearbox limits the amount of torque that can be produced by the engine, if it's stronger, this engine has huge potential.  i really do hope they can plug this engine into the SAGA, it'll be awesome if the price remains at around 50k max, P2 will really eat dust
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they already did
the 1.6L IAFM+ of course...not CFE
the 1.3L IAFM+ + CVT = user already go 180KM/H
the 1.6L IAFM+ must be even faster
if put in CFE...not sure the car can handle or not tongue.gif

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i really do hope they can plug this engine into the SAGA, it'll be awesome if the price remains at around 50k max, P2 will really eat dust
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what about ala-carte the engine + cvt n plug into saga?
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Feb 15 2012, 04:59 PM)
performance...turbo charger is from Borg-Warner
and most of the part in the engine compartment is from japan...brand is mostly denso
aircon use the best...sanden brand
CVT from punch
proton's other part came from all around the world..like saga...got some part from turkey, from france...etc


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they already did
the 1.6L IAFM+ of course...not CFE
the 1.3L IAFM+ + CVT = user already go 180KM/H
the 1.6L IAFM+ must be even faster
if put in CFE...not sure the car can handle or not tongue.gif
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these are not turbocharged right?

new slogan for Perodua 1.5 Meevi will be "Lagi underPower, Lagi Best!"

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QUOTE(atlantis2007 @ Feb 15 2012, 05:10 PM)
what about ala-carte the engine + cvt n plug into saga?
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Just have to prepare the necessary moolah for it.
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er, frenchman is slow and steady, and take a cup of coffee....

same engine in mini cooper S, pls check the time wink.gif

mini cooper S 200kg lighter. 7 seconds wink.gif

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these are not turbocharged right?

new slogan for Perodua 1.5 Meevi will be "Lagi underPower, Lagi Best!"
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ER....myvi is not as powerful as turbo car, but it is no way under power.
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which VT for punch powertrain they using? VT ?


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QUOTE(sonyman @ Feb 15 2012, 05:21 PM)
which VT for punch powertrain they using? VT ?
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If you mean the CVT manufacturer, yes its PROTOCO PUNCH.
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ER....myvi is not as powerful as turbo car, but it is no way under power.
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it is now compared to it's closest competitor
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everythin sounds gud at the moment, but im sure all of us here r quite hesitant on how reliable this new drivetrain is..
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dont know the belt need replacement a not? anyone know?
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QUOTE(kenji1903 @ Feb 15 2012, 04:17 PM)
actually it's pretty slow for a 1.6turbo...
Audi A1 1.4 TFSI S tronic 122bhp (A) 2011 - 8.9 secs
Volkswagen Golf Sport 1.4 TSI (DSG) 2009 - 8 secs
Peugeot 308 1.6 Turbo Allure Glass Roof 5-dr Facelift (A) 2011 - 8.8 secs
from http://www.oneshift.com/new_cars/ccd.php
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those car under 10secs, not solely because engine power, but gear ratio also important

with cvt, cant expect much
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wow..it's rare to see a thread full of optimism towards proton especially when it's in LYN..
probably proton get their product right this time

still remember during Exora launch couple of year ago. proton MD said
"Malaysian wants a car with European styling and Japanese technology but with Malaysia price"
I think he deliver it this time..hopefully he stays as proton MD
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dont know the belt need replacement a not? anyone know?
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ER....myvi is not as powerful as turbo car, but it is no way under power.
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who says myvi is under power ....... whistling.gif

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QUOTE(sonyman @ Feb 15 2012, 05:24 PM)
dont know the belt need replacement a not? anyone know?
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still too new. Don't think anyone had clocked in 200,000km on their FLX or EB yet.

hopefully by few years time, the box price will be down. It is RM22.5k currently for VT2. VT3 should be more expensive I guess.
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+ LIKE!!!!!!

who says myvi is under power ....... whistling.gif

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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Feb 15 2012, 05:11 PM)
these are not turbocharged right?

new slogan for Perodua 1.5 Meevi will be "Lagi underPower, Lagi Best!"
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nope...not turbocharged
only the CFE is turbocharged
in saga, they only change the GB from 4AT to CVT
solved alot of problems like underpower and FC
some ppl say the 1.3L IAFM + CVT already powerful
try imagine..the 1.6L must be able to reach higher top speed
if CFE...can fly already
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ITT : Butthurt Inspira owners and P2 supporter bashing whistling.gif
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Anyone here knows which CVT brand toyota and honda is taking from?

if it is punch powertrain then my heart beats at normal, otherwise need to consider, but then it is proton so i never expect much lah.,

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Feb 15 2012, 05:27 PM)
nope...not turbocharged
only the CFE is turbocharged
in saga, they only change the GB from 4AT to CVT
solved alot of problems like underpower and FC
some ppl say the 1.3L IAFM + CVT already powerful
try imagine..the 1.6L must be able to reach higher top speed
if CFE...can fly already
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ECU also changed aah.
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QUOTE(sonyman @ Feb 15 2012, 05:28 PM)
Anyone here knows which CVT brand toyota and honda is taking from?

if it is punch powertrain then my heart beats at normal, otherwise need to consider
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consider PROTON ??
no need consider...... dun buy
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FLY to the moon also can!  rclxms.gif
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how the hell did it get up there? that myvi is so horny it wants to hump the van?
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how the hell did it get up there?  that myvi is so horny it wants to hump the van?
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told you its over powered, not under.
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ITT : Butthurt Inspira owners and P2 supporter bashing whistling.gif
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boss, tak ada 6mt + CFE as rumour ... how to butthurt sad.gif


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told you its over powered, not under.
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see the driver one...
if kenny or u sit inside under power jo...

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told you its over powered, not under.
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LOL, maybe it overdosed viagrax

how come the word viagrax is banned from this forum, LYN censorship is sometimes stupidly strict, it's not even a swear word

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LOL, maybe it overdosed viagrax

how come the word viagrax is banned from this forum, LYN censorship is sometimes stupidly strict, it's not even a swear word
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viagra

what?

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QUOTE(sonyman @ Feb 15 2012, 05:28 PM)
Anyone here knows which CVT brand toyota and honda is taking from?

if it is punch powertrain then my heart beats at normal, otherwise need to consider
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Toyota is using the one made by Fuji Heavy Industry (Subaru). Toyota has some shares in FHI.

Honda not very sure. Also own house developed I guess.

BTW, the VT2 and VT3 is a continuation of the original VT1 used in the Mini One CVT and also Rover. Hyundai did toyed with the VT1 but it was dropped in favour for its own house developed 6-speed auto box we can see everywhere now in their Sonata, Tucson and Optima.
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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Feb 15 2012, 05:42 PM)
Toyota is using the one made by Fuji Heavy Industry (Subaru). Toyota has some shares in FHI. 

Honda not very sure. Also own house developed I guess.

BTW, the VT2 and VT3 is a continuation of the original VT1 used in the Mini One CVT and also Rover. Hyundai did toyed with the VT1 but it was dropped in favour for its own house developed 6-speed auto box we can see everywhere now in their Sonata, Tucson and Optima.
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so this brand reliable? wonder do they have any proven track record


Added on February 15, 2012, 5:47 pmHey , where are the pictures ar Ericxman...? afternoon i saw them now hilang already ....

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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Feb 15 2012, 05:42 PM)
Toyota is using the one made by Fuji Heavy Industry (Subaru). Toyota has some shares in FHI. 

Honda not very sure. Also own house developed I guess.

BTW, the VT2 and VT3 is a continuation of the original VT1 used in the Mini One CVT and also Rover. Hyundai did toyed with the VT1 but it was dropped in favour for its own house developed 6-speed auto box we can see everywhere now in their Sonata, Tucson and Optima.
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toyota = toyota cvt
honda = honda cvt
Nissan = JATCO CVT(owned by nissan)
Mitsubishi = JATCO CVT
Inspira = JATCO CVT
Proton = PUNCH CVT

comparison, honda most unreliable = thanks for honda sc pouring wrong transmission fluid

Most responsive = toyota

Smoothest = Jatco

Cheapest = Punch.

Most reliable = Jatco + toyota.

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Keyless Entry – Tiada lubang kunci pada keempat-empat pemegang pintu

this is dangerous, no battery die lah...
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Keyless Entry – Tiada lubang kunci pada keempat-empat pemegang pintu

this is dangerous, no battery die lah...
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Same goes to Forte doh.gif
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QUOTE(ericmaxman @ Feb 15 2012, 05:51 PM)
Same goes to Forte doh.gif
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why none say if all those high tech thing rosak will cost a bomb to repair?
inspira vroom vroomm?

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QUOTE(ericmaxman @ Feb 15 2012, 05:51 PM)
Same goes to Forte doh.gif
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forte's problem is the brake switch, always kaput..then have to hold the button for 10 seconds...

man, i rather have normal key lah...faster and easier.

Maybe just for forte, other makes doesnt seem to have problems with the brake switch
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QUOTE(sonyman @ Feb 15 2012, 05:43 PM)

Added on February 15, 2012, 5:47 pmHey , where are the pictures ar Ericxman...? afternoon i saw them now hilang already ....
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those are proton internal slides and are meant for internal circulation only, not for the public.

as for the CVT Reliability, its a gamble. All I could say is, if you really tempted then just gather up your courage to try it or else you can just stick with the usual, more conservative T&H B segments. So far, I've clocked more than 11,000km in my VT2 and so far so good. No unwanted incidents happening to my CVT yet. The only concern about belt based CVT is the durability of the belt itself. I am ready for it in case it snaps. flex.gif
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QUOTE(sonyman @ Feb 15 2012, 05:49 PM)
Keyless Entry – Tiada lubang kunci pada keempat-empat pemegang pintu

this is dangerous, no battery die lah...
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who the hell needs keyless entry anyway? it's a useless feature for fat arses who are too lazy to turn the key or press the button

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QUOTE(dvinez @ Feb 15 2012, 05:52 PM)
why none say if all those high tech thing rosak will cost a bomb to repair?
inspira vroom vroomm?
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inspira and proton all cheap stuffs, u know...proton absorbers only rm 100 for rears...and rm 150 for fronts..

other cars costs twice if not thrice the price.


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those are proton internal slides and are meant for internal circulation only, not for the public.

as for the CVT Reliability, its a gamble. All I could say is, if you really tempted then just gather up your courage to try it or else you can just stick with the usual, more conservative T&H B segments. So far, I've clocked more than 11,000km in my VT2 and so far so good. No unwanted incidents happening to my CVT yet. The only concern about belt based CVT is the durability of the belt itself. I am ready for it in case it snaps. flex.gif
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T&H also going for cvt already...it is time to move on.... tongue.gif

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QUOTE(CooShyRee @ Feb 15 2012, 05:24 PM)
everythin sounds gud at the moment, but im sure all of us here r quite hesitant on how reliable this new drivetrain is..
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well..i saw somewhere said the exora CFE's CVT testing car is now reached 250k KM already and still continuing
that was like few months ago
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QUOTE(dvinez @ Feb 15 2012, 05:52 PM)
why none say if all those high tech thing rosak will cost a bomb to repair?
inspira vroom vroomm?
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people give tin kosong with four wheels and a steering wheel to drive, complain

people give loaded tin with a lot of gizmos and toys with four wheels and a steering wheel to drive, complain

complain complain complain complain complain.
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why none say if all those high tech thing rosak will cost a bomb to repair?
inspira vroom vroomm?
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and this +1

the more stuff they put in the car the more things will be broken and needs fixing. if they let me choose, i'll choose only 1 power window for only the driver's side, the other 3 use manual, can last forever. it's useless for all of them to be power windows because 99.9% of the time, passengers don't open them

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Wahh niceee...

Seriously, i dun care interior and exterior..

More importantly, good ride as european car...and good acceleration and oso handling tongue.gif


Go go Proton !
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QUOTE(ckk125 @ Feb 15 2012, 05:54 PM)
T&H also going for cvt already...it is time to move on.... tongue.gif
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err... Honda City (malaysian spec)

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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Feb 15 2012, 05:56 PM)
people give tin kosong with four wheels and a steering wheel to drive, complain

people give loaded tin with a lot of gizmos and toys with four wheels and a steering wheel to drive, complain

complain complain complain complain complain.
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that's why they have different specs for different model.
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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Feb 15 2012, 05:58 PM)
err... Honda City (malaysian spec)

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haha...insight? tongue.gif

but otherwise, cvts are reliable, they are like girls, can last long, but need proper care. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Feb 15 2012, 05:59 PM)
that's why they have different specs for different model.
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Added on February 15, 2012, 6:02 pm
QUOTE(ckk125 @ Feb 15 2012, 06:00 PM)
haha...insight? tongue.gif

but otherwise, cvts are reliable, they are like girls, can last long, but need proper care. tongue.gif
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cvt are good like no change gear..but see which type u prefer la..some prefer the gear sound..

btw forte driver door got key hole in case remote no battery..


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But wait....6-speed getrag manual x jadi lak...

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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Feb 15 2012, 05:56 PM)
and this +1

the more stuff they put in the car the more things will be broken and needs fixing.  if they let me choose, i'll choose only 1 power window for only the driver's side, the other 3 use manual, can last forever.  it's useless for all of them to be power windows because 99.9% of the time, passengers don't open them
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go buy saga BLM
front 2 only power window...rear is manual
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QUOTE(dvinez @ Feb 15 2012, 06:01 PM)
cvt are good like no change gear..but see which type u prefer la..some prefer the gear sound..

btw forte driver door got key hole in case remote no battery..
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CVT also got sound mah

wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee~
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QUOTE(sonyman @ Feb 15 2012, 05:43 PM)
Hey , where are the pictures ar Ericxman...? afternoon i saw them now hilang already ....
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QUOTE(carrera_gt @ Feb 15 2012, 06:03 PM)
But wait....6-speed getrag manual x jadi lak...

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well...in saga FLX...it was late
late but still come
but still not alot buy
so i think its either proton still searching/testing for a suitable manual
or they're not gonna release manual because not alot of demand
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Feb 15 2012, 06:06 PM)
well...in saga FLX...it was late
late but still come
but still not alot buy
so i think its either proton still searching/testing for a suitable manual
or they're not gonna release manual because not alot of demand
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really ek?

hopefully dey will introduce new 6-speed manual.. smile.gif

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QUOTE(carrera_gt @ Feb 15 2012, 06:31 PM)
really ek?

hopefully dey will introduce new 6-speed manual.. smile.gif
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maybe in FL?...but dn't get your hopes too high
manual now starting to extinct already
only available for supercars
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QUOTE(carrera_gt @ Feb 15 2012, 06:31 PM)
really ek?

hopefully dey will introduce new 6-speed manual.. smile.gif
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QUOTE(uexpress @ Feb 15 2012, 03:26 PM)
4 AIRBAG – Airbag penumpang hadapan boleh di ON/OFF, untuk keselematan jika Bayi diletak kan di tempat duduk.

Are you kidding me....... what are potong thinking!!!!!!!!!
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Bro, this function apply to ALL VW car as well.. It is not JOKING.
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Feb 15 2012, 06:34 PM)
maybe in FL?...but dn't get your hopes too high
manual now starting to extinct already
only available for supercars
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supercars? nowdays, its uses flappy paddle shift..
458 Italia has no manual version unless u rich enuf to made it...
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QUOTE(ericmaxman @ Feb 15 2012, 06:36 PM)
P3-22A hatchback version brows.gif
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hopefully !

in b4 i butthurt too... tongue.gif
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QUOTE(JackNg1985 @ Feb 15 2012, 06:50 PM)
Bro, this function apply to ALL VW car as well.. It is not JOKING.
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but why wan to off??? u know wat itme accident???
like
"oh... im gonna accident later... turn it on first "
like that???

don tell me u fix baby chair at front seat need to turn airbag off.....
ISOFIX at rear seat only....

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QUOTE(carrera_gt @ Feb 15 2012, 06:53 PM)
supercars? nowdays, its uses flappy paddle shift..
458 Italia has no manual version unless u rich enuf to made it...
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hopefully !

in b4 i butthurt too... tongue.gif
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certain lambo still uses manual because u can control the gear and RPM better
for cheap cars....mostly auto already
manual starting to extinct as no one wants it
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Where is the presentation slide you guys talking about, i see no slide.
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QUOTE(nzh0920 @ Feb 15 2012, 06:55 PM)
but why wan to off??? u know wat itme accident???
like
"oh... im gonna accident later... turn it on first  "
like that???

don tell me u fix baby chair at front seat need to turn airbag off.....
ISOFIX at rear seat only....
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Not sure about the info, i am Noob Info.
Tested my colleague SILOKO and GOLF .. all sama sama can disable icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(JackNg1985 @ Feb 15 2012, 07:01 PM)
Not sure about the info, i am Noob Info.
Tested my colleague SILOKO and GOLF .. all sama sama can disable  icon_rolleyes.gif
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other country also got ... but malaysia one cut it off i think due to useless tongue.gif


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QUOTE(rogrog @ Feb 15 2012, 07:00 PM)
Where is the presentation slide you guys talking about, i see no slide.
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the slide have been removed....

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Feb 15 2012, 06:59 PM)
certain lambo still uses manual because u can control the gear and RPM better
for cheap cars....mostly auto already
manual starting to extinct as no one wants it
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dats why i envy Lambo a lot...especially LP550-2 Valentino Balboni~
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cheap cars lak...
hmm..everyone is getting lazy...sorry if its offended u all..

its mainly due to traffic jam.. doh.gif

but i agree cuz modern auto is better than manual...shift faster too...
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DSG > Tsuchiya
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QUOTE(nzh0920 @ Feb 15 2012, 07:04 PM)
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other country also got ... but malaysia one cut it off i think due to useless  tongue.gif
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European standard i think
for what...ask the one who started it all
in malaysia...most ppl will not touch that button and keep it ON only
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come on! on/off air-bag are apply as well at conti car for safety reason, when u put you child at front the air-bag deploy gonna kill the baby when collison happen.

dont simply just bashing doh.gif

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QUOTE(ericmaxman @ Feb 15 2012, 07:08 PM)
DSG > Tsuchiya
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QUOTE(carrera_gt @ Feb 15 2012, 07:07 PM)
dats why i envy Lambo a lot...especially LP550-2 Valentino Balboni~
wub.gif

cheap cars lak...
hmm..everyone is getting lazy...sorry if its offended u all..

its mainly due to traffic jam..  doh.gif

but i agree cuz modern auto is better than manual...shift faster too...
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not lazy...main cause is traffic jam
constantly having your left leg pumping that clutch...long term...u will cry
but for a weekend car...its great
mean if drive a manual car once in a while/during weekends...its great
but driving it everyday especially weekdays and into traffic jam...its a killer
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QUOTE(dadurtyz @ Feb 15 2012, 07:09 PM)
come on! on/off air-bag are apply as well at conti car for safety reason, when u put you child at front the air-bag deploy gonna kill the baby when collison happen.

dont simply just bashing  doh.gif
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hello boss... read wat i comment....
they (manufacturer) usually not recommend you put baby chair on the front seat
and ISOFIX usually at rear seat only

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QUOTE(nzh0920 @ Feb 15 2012, 07:11 PM)
hello boss... read wat i comment....
they (manufacturer) usually not recommend you put baby chair on the front seat
and ISOFIX usually at rear seat only
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im not pointing at you, i saw last comment that simply bashing then read you comments biggrin.gif ,
ISO fix are at backside. sometime parents are put the safety chair at front, so their easy reach the kids. thats what i mean the need of function.
atleast dont simply turn off and on like playing2 sudah lar..

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QUOTE(dadurtyz @ Feb 15 2012, 07:22 PM)
im not pointing at you, i saw last comment that simply bashing then read you comments  biggrin.gif ,
ISO fix are at backside. sometime parents are put the safety chair at front, so their easy reach the kids. thats what i mean the need of function.
atleast dont simply turn off and on like playing2 sudah lar..
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that's the problem, if the kid is crying or something, u don't simply "reach" to comfort him/her and don't watch where u r driving, at least stop the car first and then do it, which means it's no difference putting the child seat at the front or at the back because eventually u'll need to stop the car. that's why in my opinion there is no point putting an on/off button for the airbag if the government can ban putting child seat at the front (like they ban talking to the phone and driving at the same time). like some forumers already said, what if u forgot to turn the airbag back on when u r going to crash? this is just stupid.
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i saw alot of foreign country ppl
they prefer to put the baby chair at the front if they drive themselves(alone)
but if put in front, they would place the chair backward...facing the chair, not facing the front windscreen
i dn't think car manufacturer just put the ON/OFF button there cuz that cost extra money to do it...if its useless, they wouldn't put it there also cuz it saves them cost
and since they say this car will meet international standard thn i think this feature is a standard set by some govt(means its required to have it to qualify)
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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Feb 15 2012, 07:29 PM)
that's the problem, if the kid is crying or something, u don't simply "reach" to comfort him/her and don't watch where u r driving, at least stop the car first and then do it, which means it's no difference putting the child seat at the front or at the back because eventually u'll need to stop the car.  that's why in my opinion there is no point putting an on/off button for the airbag if the government can ban putting child seat at the front (like they ban talking to the phone and driving at the same time).  like some forumers already said, what if u forgot to turn the airbag back on when u r going to crash? this is just stupid.
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ok i got you sir, well said notworthy.gif notworthy.gif , u can fired all engineering and clever guys in proton and all conti car thats makes the stupiak function
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QUOTE(jetpacker @ Feb 15 2012, 07:18 PM)
agree +1

but those so called "pro" always say drive manual skillful ma..auto is for gals..but their car 98hp only
wat to do
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lol.
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aiyo, why keep talking about the airbag on off feature? if dun like just plug out the button la.

btw, manual on a 98hp car also faster than an auto 98hp car tongue.gif

*cabut!
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QUOTE(nzh0920 @ Feb 15 2012, 06:55 PM)
but why wan to off??? u know wat itme accident???
like
"oh... im gonna accident later... turn it on first  "
like that???

don tell me u fix baby chair at front seat need to turn airbag off.....
ISOFIX at rear seat only....
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Like others say, to put baby seat infront. Not all people put their baby at the back seat if they driving alone. I know the proper way is to put at the back seat.
But most people just want to put the baby infront, and later if there's no on or off passenger airbag button then people with baby will not consider this unsure.gif

And if the driver is carrying something let say a long wood or ladder which cannot fit inside the boot and have to fold down the back seat and front seat so that it can fit inside the car. The button will be useful. If happens collision at least the air bag will not pop up because there may be a little chance that the thing will hit you
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QUOTE(jetpacker @ Feb 15 2012, 07:18 PM)
agree +1

but those so called "pro" always say drive manual skillful ma..auto is for gals..but their car 98hp only
wat to do
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kekekekek, cannot stop giggling.

you are right.

my neighbour driving manual 1988 saga is a real man, while my boss driving automatic ferrari is a fake man? lol.
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QUOTE(AlexLee277 @ Feb 15 2012, 07:51 PM)
aiyo, why keep talking about the airbag on off feature? if dun like just plug out the button la.

btw, manual on a 98hp car also faster than an auto 98hp car tongue.gif

*cabut!
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so real man drive pussy car?
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QUOTE(AlexLee277 @ Feb 15 2012, 07:51 PM)
aiyo, why keep talking about the airbag on off feature? if dun like just plug out the button la.

btw, manual on a 98hp car also faster than an auto 98hp car but 1.6 manual proton has problem chasing 1.3 auto myvi tongue.gif

*cabut!
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cough cough

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So this car kontot like gen2 la ye.. Bukan sedan like pesona ye...
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BACK TO TOPIC DISCUSSION PLEASE. TQ
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QUOTE(hexer_xavier @ Feb 15 2012, 07:53 PM)
so real man drive pussy car?
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Feb 15 2012, 07:53 PM)
cough cough
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both car my house got still using the engine from mitsu and another from daihatsu. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(razkal @ Feb 15 2012, 04:18 PM)
Yerp..i.ve read that the punch CVT cant handle more than 205nm torque. If they use different gearbox, the power might be higher. Cause like you said. It was built within the limit of the gearbox. 

But i guess it's better for proton cause now they start to compare with BMW. lol
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torque is torque . power is power mah.. torque stay at 200nm and power can increase to 150bhp right?
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QUOTE(ericmaxman @ Feb 15 2012, 07:56 PM)
BACK TO TOPIC DISCUSSION PLEASE. TQ
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okay, back to the discussion.

buzzer when headlamp is ON -- wtf? it took half presentation slide.

but seriously, 65k? they won't be that stupid.
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Feb 15 2012, 04:21 PM)
er....turbo = rm10000, and a lot problem tongue.gif

so now u see a lot 308thp for sale biggrin.gif
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many of the pug range use same solution 1.6t engine.. later if want to buy can get cheap or not?
i remember my 407 2L engine rock solid only electronics glitchy.. the turbo one..got intermittent power, scary.. sweat.gif

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i don't know whether my 15 years old wira's light buzzer is aftermarket or a original feature. but i'm sure that light buzzer is an old technology xD

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Feb 15 2012, 08:00 PM)
many of the pug range use same solution 1.6t engine.. later if want to buy can get cheap or not?
i remember my 407 2L engine rock solid only electronics glitchy.. the turbo one..got intermittent power, scary..  sweat.gif
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yea, the only regrettable thing with 407 is 4 speed gearbox....because we prefer 5-6-7-8 tongue.gif

i test drove it, handling better than 308. high speed change lane feel so good. and the car wont feel under power. the car is really luxurious.
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QUOTE(xshiro @ Feb 15 2012, 05:26 PM)
those car under 10secs, not solely because engine power, but gear ratio also important

with cvt, cant expect much
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as you said gear ratio is important, so CVT acterly takes care of the problem but maybe different cvt gives different results.. ideally maximum acceleration and fuel saving from a given engine is best extracted from the engine with CVT thats why hybrid use cvt.. but then different makes produce different results kua..


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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Feb 15 2012, 08:02 PM)
yea, the only regrettable thing with 407 is 4 speed gearbox....because we prefer 5-6-7-8 tongue.gif

i test drove it, handling better than 308. high speed change lane feel so good. and the car wont feel under power. the car is really luxurious.
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yeah gearbox not a joy to use.. and those time not many potong kereta handle AL4 so sked to trash it too much if it fail after waranty..
but i equipped my 407 with 18inch 225 tires, really a handling joy... thumbup.gif if only they brought in the 2.2 with 6speed auto..

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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Feb 15 2012, 05:56 PM)
people give tin kosong with four wheels and a steering wheel to drive, complain

people give loaded tin with a lot of gizmos and toys with four wheels and a steering wheel to drive, complain

complain complain complain complain complain.
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agree with u..those who said that say back to them just drive the old car with carburetor engine..no need fancy2 sensors,ecu,obdII socket etc2..

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As I think, wait until first batch tries it or at least, the car reaches showroom.

Passing judgment on quality of the P 3-21 A is too early.

I do think, quality is the main challenge on past Protons.
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Feb 15 2012, 07:58 PM)
torque is torque . power is power mah.. torque stay at 200nm and power can increase to 150bhp right?
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can if they have used twin scroll turbo to supply max boost during low up until high rpm..
but they decided otherwise because of the cost
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funny, really funny.. juz becoz of a single airbag on/off button which is sumthin thats standard all across other manufacturers these days some people wanna critic, all becoz the car in question has a proton badge doh.gif y dont u guys say the same, when say.... VW does it????
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QUOTE(CooShyRee @ Feb 15 2012, 08:44 PM)
funny, really funny.. juz becoz of a single airbag on/off button which is sumthin thats standard all across other manufacturers these days some people wanna critic, all becoz the car in question has a proton badge doh.gif y dont u guys say the same, when say.... VW does it????
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typical la
VW have it = WOW
BMW have it = wow,german engineering
proton have it = for what oh, waste only, no use in malaysia...bashings
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what is 1.6 cfe engine? Campro?
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QUOTE(LLH @ Feb 15 2012, 09:15 PM)
what is 1.6 cfe engine? Campro?
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campro with improved IAFM + CFE
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Feb 15 2012, 08:58 PM)
typical la
VW have it = WOW
BMW have it = wow,german engineering
proton have it = for what oh, waste only, no use in malaysia...bashings
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haha, when honda gt gearbox problem those ppl din even rage, summore wan defend honda, naza n proton gt minor prob oni rage like thrs no tomoro........mahresians oh mahresians
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QUOTE(dadurtyz @ Feb 15 2012, 09:18 PM)
campro with improved IAFM + CFE
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no iafm, as the air intake has only 1 profile..
but it is equipped with cvvt on the intake side

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QUOTE(mezzi-quan @ Feb 15 2012, 09:20 PM)
haha, when honda gt gearbox problem those ppl din even rage, summore wan defend honda, naza n proton gt minor prob oni rage like thrs no tomoro........mahresians oh mahresians
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japanese car in malaysia so under-spec also not on single one say anything

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QUOTE(anuarnor @ Feb 15 2012, 02:26 PM)
^ Look at page 42 to understand more about CFE

QUOTE(LLH @ Feb 15 2012, 09:15 PM)
what is 1.6 cfe engine? Campro?
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QUOTE(LLH @ Feb 15 2012, 09:15 PM)
what is 1.6 cfe engine? Campro?
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a turbocharged campro engine wif a better CPS system( means it wil perform better than the normal CPS).....
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QUOTE(ben_panced @ Feb 15 2012, 09:24 PM)
no iafm, as the air intake has only 1 profile..
but it is equipped with cvvt on the intake side
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i just sold the blm saga 2009 1.3auto, got tak tak tak sound the engine, is this that iafm thing causing it ar? vmad.gif
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QUOTE(mezzi-quan @ Feb 15 2012, 09:27 PM)
a turbocharged campro engine wif a better CPS system( means it wil perform better than the normal CPS).....
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no no..
cps is a VARIABLE VALVE LIFT system
while CFE is turbo + CVVT

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QUOTE(mezzi-quan @ Feb 15 2012, 09:27 PM)
a turbocharged campro engine wif a better CPS system( means it wil perform better than the normal CPS).....
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no, no CPS involved

instead this is an engine build ground up from the basic Campro itself. The basic Campro in talk is the one with the notorious with torque dip issue.
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QUOTE(mezzi-quan @ Feb 15 2012, 09:20 PM)
haha, when honda gt gearbox problem those ppl din even rage, summore wan defend honda, naza n proton gt minor prob oni rage like thrs no tomoro........mahresians oh mahresians
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i think you are wrong in this case, people did shout at honda, but what makes people to continue respect honda is the attitude in handling exception situation. They call back all those affected unit and sincere apologize,

On the other hand, I still recall proton news where the director stood out and say the defects happened in Proton Savvy is acceptable as proton is producing too much unit per days which causing the QC quality going down.

Again, it is attitude.
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Feb 15 2012, 09:27 PM)
i just sold the blm saga 2009 1.3auto, got tak tak tak sound the engine, is this that iafm thing causing it ar?  vmad.gif
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The first iafm all got problem with tak tak tak sound....change how many time also will be the same
So proton, release iafm+ which fix the problem
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Feb 15 2012, 09:27 PM)
i just sold the blm saga 2009 1.3auto, got tak tak tak sound the engine, is this that iafm thing causing it ar?  vmad.gif
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if u follow saga BLM club
that "tak tak" sound is just an annoying sound from IAFM
doesn't mean the IAFM is faulty or broken
something small inside is causing that noise...forgot what name
the IAFM is working perfectly...just the annoying noise only
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QUOTE(ben_panced @ Feb 15 2012, 09:29 PM)
no no..
cps is a VARIABLE VALVE LIFT system
while CFE is turbo + CVVT
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hmm.........i tot CPS is CVVT? i mean different name but same concept? CFE using a better CVVT system than the normal CPS .....

correct me if im wrong, noob here brows.gif brows.gif
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Feb 15 2012, 09:32 PM)
if u follow saga BLM club
that "tak tak" sound is just an annoying sound from IAFM
doesn't mean the IAFM is faulty or broken
something small inside is causing that noise...forgot what name
the IAFM is working perfectly...just the annoying noise only
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can it be claimed under waranty or how much this thing cost to repair.. i dowan diesel sounding proton.. laugh.gif

anyway sold liao..
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QUOTE(mezzi-quan @ Feb 15 2012, 09:34 PM)
hmm.........i tot CPS is CVVT? i mean different name but same concept? CFE using a better CVVT system than the normal CPS .....

correct me if im wrong, noob here brows.gif  brows.gif
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no cps system is just like vtec where by there two valve lift profiles.. that is all.. while cvvt changes the cam phase depending on the rpm
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Sorry guy to make ppl argue abt the SRS... not that im bashing about the SRS airbag got on/off button....

you now lahhh all malaysian ppl complain this and that if they forget to switch it on back....
eg. like said if carried baby infront switch off passenger SRS then later lupa to on back got accident.... then complain malfunctino pulakk...hahaha... just my opinion.. No matter got on/off button make sure drive safe loh....

cheers.....

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QUOTE(ben_panced @ Feb 15 2012, 09:24 PM)
no iafm, as the air intake has only 1 profile..
but it is equipped with cvvt on the intake side
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ops my bad, thanks for correction. i'm confuse with the spec IAFM and CFE engine

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QUOTE(ju146 @ Feb 15 2012, 09:30 PM)
i think you are wrong in this case, people did shout at honda, but what makes people to continue respect honda is the attitude in handling exception situation. They call back all those affected unit and sincere apologize,

On the other hand, I still recall proton news where the director stood out and say the defects happened in Proton Savvy is acceptable as proton is producing too much unit per days which causing the QC quality going down.

Again, it is attitude.
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yup..thats what holding the proton from snatching japanese cars sells..it is very hard to change the people mindset once people already suffer..
http://www.aduanrakyat.com.my/kerosakan-enjin-cvt-saga-flx
very new car also can have such a major problem..at least they should handle it professionally..as it is obviously the manufacturer's defect..hope this new model wont suffer from the major problems..

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QUOTE(ben_panced @ Feb 15 2012, 09:36 PM)
no cps system is just like vtec where by there two valve lift profiles.. that is all.. while cvvt changes the cam phase depending on the rpm
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oh ic, so vtec n cps is VVT, while CVVT is a better n newer technology.........ok got it.....learnt sumtin new today thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Feb 15 2012, 07:58 PM)
torque is torque . power is power mah.. torque stay at 200nm and power can increase to 150bhp right?
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u cant just simply separate torque and power coz they have direct relationship for a rotating shaft..go figure bro icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(mezzi-quan @ Feb 15 2012, 09:40 PM)
oh ic, so vtec n cps is VVT, while CVVT is a better n newer technology.........ok got it.....learnt sumtin new today thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
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er VTEC and CPS only alters the valve lift not the valve timing itself, while CVVT alters the valve timing and not valve lift..
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QUOTE(tonitoni @ Feb 15 2012, 09:41 PM)
u cant just simply separate torque and power coz they have direct relationship for a rotating shaft..go figure bro icon_rolleyes.gif
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well he's talking about low to medium torque figure, which is actually low to medium rpm power. while when we talk about power, it refers to max rpm power the engine can produce.
it'll be foolish to think 205nm max torque is produced at 138bhp so go figure. smile.gif

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QUOTE(ben_panced @ Feb 15 2012, 09:42 PM)
er VTEC and CPS only alters the valve lift not the valve timing itself, while CVVT alters the valve timing and not valve lift..
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rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif .........lol......quite complicated ar.......haha
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QUOTE(mezzi-quan @ Feb 15 2012, 09:44 PM)
rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif .........lol......quite complicated ar.......haha
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no so, imagine vtec is 2 step, while the other is many many fine step.. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(megat89 @ Feb 15 2012, 09:38 PM)
yup..thats what holding the proton from snatching japanese cars sells..it is very hard to change the people mindset once people already suffer..
http://www.aduanrakyat.com.my/kerosakan-enjin-cvt-saga-flx
very new car also can have such a major problem..at least they should handle it professionally..as it is obviously the manufacturer's defect..hope this new model wont suffer from the major problems..
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I feel sad for the first batch flx owner, they(proton) didnt put cvt cooler so that the cvt wont overheat
Lucky proton fix it fast...hopefully no more like this cos if not no one gonna trust on proton reliability test anymore
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Feb 15 2012, 09:34 PM)
can it be claimed under waranty or how much this thing cost to repair.. i dowan diesel sounding proton..  laugh.gif

anyway sold liao..
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QUOTE(neo1point3 @ Feb 15 2012, 09:49 PM)
I feel sad for the first batch flx owner, they(proton) didnt put cvt cooler so that the cvt wont overheat
Lucky proton fix it fast...hopefully no more like this cos if not no one gonna trust on proton reliability test anymore
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my foot lah, first batch tak ada CVT cooler sleep.gif

first batch FLX has the problem with CVT clutch pump and fuel hose. Not all FLX is affected but still Proton make a recall on all FLX and replace the affected parts FOC.
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Feb 15 2012, 09:44 PM)
well he's talking about low to medium torque figure, which is actually low to medium rpm power. while when we talk about power, it refers to max rpm power the engine can produce.
it'll be foolish to think 205nm max torque is produced at 138bhp so go figure.  smile.gif
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Err..i dont get it bro..can u elaborate more, TQ notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Feb 15 2012, 09:53 PM)
my foot lah, first batch tak ada CVT cooler sleep.gif

first batch FLX has the problem with CVT clutch pump and fuel hose. Not all FLX is affected but still Proton make a recall on sweat.gif  all FLX and replace the affected parts FOC.
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Sorry boss, i thought no cvt cooler sweat.gif
But still, proton shouldnt repeat that mistake anymore
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Feb 15 2012, 07:58 PM)
torque is torque . power is power mah.. torque stay at 200nm and power can increase to 150bhp right?
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but then they will have to up the rev limit, and reduce the reliabilty
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QUOTE(neo1point3 @ Feb 15 2012, 09:56 PM)
Sorry boss, i thought no cvt cooler  sweat.gif
But still, proton shouldnt repeat that mistake anymore
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if Proton repeat that same mistake, I guess all Exora Bold now will jerk like hell during pick up from stationary and rpm too low during idling which leads to potential engine stalling.

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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Feb 15 2012, 09:58 PM)
if Proton repeat that same mistake, I guess all Exora Bold now will jerk like hell during pick up from stationary and rpm too low during idling which leads to potential engine stalling.
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ya..the CFE + CVT is started from exora
if current exora no issue...thn am pretty sure this car won't have problem..cuz its the same setup
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QUOTE(tonitoni @ Feb 15 2012, 09:54 PM)
Err..i dont get it bro..can u elaborate more, TQ notworthy.gif
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hard to explain in words cos power is not a direct measurement, it's measured figure derived from torque measurement of a rotating crankshaft.

a simple example
user posted image

u see 2 curves, the torque curve doesnt peak at high rpm, while the power curve peaks at high rpm..

to get this curve, only torque (orange) is measured, power (blue) curve is derived from calculation of the torque x rpm

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Feb 15 2012, 10:04 PM)
hard to explain in words cos power is not a direct measurement, it's measured figure derived from torque measurement of a rotating crankshaft.

a simple example
user posted image

u see 2 curves, the torque curve doesnt peak at high rpm, while the power curve peaks at high rpm..

to get this curve, only torque (orange) is measured, power (blue)  curve is derived from calculation of the torque x rpm
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this notworthy.gif ..

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QUOTE(ben_panced @ Feb 15 2012, 10:06 PM)
this  notworthy.gif ..
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since i brought the curve out, easier to explain 1 step further.. if you look at max torque lets say at 4000rpm, the power is only 60-70% of the maximum power at 6000rpm..

so ideally with CVT, while you are at 4000rpm with normal gearbox trying to rev to 6000rpm, CVT will already allow you to stay at 6000rpm, making it 30% more power at that instant, that's why it's the most effective way to unlock all the power from your engine and will provide the best acceleration curve of the car..
of coz the downside is the dreaded rubberband effect, engine rev shoot up, while car barely moving.. laugh.gif so the behaviour of the CVT changing ratio software according to load conditions also need to come into play and need to be smart, so that people dun get buzzed out the ears when driving CVT car.. laugh.gif

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Feb 15 2012, 10:04 PM)
hard to explain in words cos power is not a direct measurement, it's measured figure derived from torque measurement of a rotating crankshaft.

a simple example
user posted image

u see 2 curves, the torque curve doesnt peak at high rpm, while the power curve peaks at high rpm..

to get this curve, only torque (orange) is measured, power (blue)  curve is derived from calculation of the torque x rpm
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Err i dont know how u interpret my statement early becoz this is what i mean..power is dependent on torque and RPM smile.gif
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QUOTE(tonitoni @ Feb 15 2012, 10:14 PM)
Err i dont know how u interpret my statement early becoz this is what i mean..power is dependent on torque and RPM smile.gif
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your source said this, which i already said. rpm is measured, torque is measured. power is calculated or derived from those 2. i already said it above. dun understand any further need to do engineering course.. smile.gif
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    POWER (the rate of doing WORK) is dependent on TORQUE and RPM.
    TORQUE and RPM are the MEASURED quantities of engine output.
    POWER is CALCULATED from torque and RPM,



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QUOTE(tonitoni @ Feb 15 2012, 10:14 PM)
Err i dont know how u interpret my statement early becoz this is what i mean..power is dependent on torque and RPM smile.gif
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oh forgot, earlier discussion, i mention let torque be 200nm and power increase to 150bhp right? that's different situation cos there is turbo element mah.. you can control the boost which affects torque and power.

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Feb 15 2012, 10:17 PM)
your source said this, which i already said. rpm is measured, torque is measured. power is calculated or derived from those 2. i already said it above. dun understand any further need to do engineering course..  smile.gif
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thats why previously i said u cant separate those power and torque for rotating shaft..they are dependent nod.gif btw, i'm already a mechanical eng. n done the ICE course rolleyes.gif TQ notworthy.gif

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all I know is, this new car (the Premium spec one), just have to pijak to 2,000-4,000 rpm then air will be feed into the turbocharger, witchcraft happens then the car goes faster.
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Feb 15 2012, 10:17 PM)
your source said this, which i already said. rpm is measured, torque is measured. power is calculated or derived from those 2. i already said it above. dun understand any further need to do engineering course..  smile.gif

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oh forgot, earlier discussion, i mention let torque be 200nm and power increase to 150bhp right? that's different situation cos there is turbo element mah.. you can control the boost which affects torque and power.
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plus they have torque base control loop system thus aim for flat torque for certain rev band nod.gif
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QUOTE(tonitoni @ Feb 15 2012, 10:22 PM)
thats why previously i said u cant separate those power and torque for rotating shaft..they are dependent nod.gif btw, i'm already a mechanical eng. n done the ICE course rolleyes.gif
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why cannot seperate the 2 condition, both condition is at different rpm wot.
i said set the conditon at mid range rpm, boost until 200nm, while power at high rpm can increase to 150bhp, obviously by boosting the torque at that high rpm..

i didn't say 200nm at 150bhp at 6000rpm


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but then they will have to up the rev limit, and reduce the reliabilty
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u have a point about reliability but then if a turbo 1.6L doing 150bhp should not be really stressful cos for other brand of turbo engines mah not even 100bhp per litre.. if not reliable then have to redesign the engine lor.. biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Feb 15 2012, 05:26 PM)
+ LIKE!!!!!!

who says myvi is under power ....... whistling.gif

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Skoda can top that... laugh.gif Nice one though.

I don't like keyless entry. Too easy to steal a car that way. Thieves are just not smart enough, yet.

@jetpacker: Oi, don't bash the Octavia. I like that one. It looks serious.

MR_alien: In Europe no one wants auto. Many models don't even offer an auto version, because no one would buy them (especially in cheap cars). There is a small shift towards auto started by DSG, but other than that... And yes, not wanting to drive an auto includes girls. There are many who prefer manual. At least over there smile.gif

I prefer manual in traffic jams. Makes the ride smoother. Just starting uphill I agree, there auto is nice. smile.gif

Government ban people talking on the phone, in KL I've seen a public bus driver happily chatting along while driving the bus! I have seen so many drive with a phone next to their ear, they might as well make it legal. sad.gif

The airbag off feature is required by EuroNCAP, and probably also other NCAP rating systems.

@CooShyRee: Perhaps these people aren't used to cars with airbags?

Hopefully there is something warning the driver that the passenger airbag is off. Like the car actually saying it every time you start. Or a light on the dashboard. etc.
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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Feb 15 2012, 10:25 PM)
rclxub.gif

all I know is, this new car (the Premium spec one), just have to pijak to 2,000-4,000 rpm then air will be feed into the turbocharger, witchcraft happens then the car goes faster.
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so proton have a new slogan?
honda = VTEC kickin' in yo
proton = CFE kickin in yo

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Feb 15 2012, 10:27 PM)
why cannot seperate the 2 condition, both condition is at different rpm wot.
i said set the conditon at mid range rpm, boost until 200nm, while power at high rpm can increase to 150bhp, obviously by boosting the torque at that high rpm..

i didn't say 200nm at 150bhp at 6000rpm


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u have a point about reliability but then if a turbo 1.6L doing 150bhp should not be really stressful cos for other brand of turbo engines mah not even 100bhp per litre.. if not reliable then have to redesign the engine lor..  biggrin.gif
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back to this CFE engine..their aim is torque thats why the feedback loop base on their torque..back to basic, why u need more power since in the end u need to burn more gas for it since u got same torque in the end..conservation of energy laugh.gif power is work or energy in the given time.

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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Feb 15 2012, 10:31 PM)
MR_alien: In Europe no one wants auto. Many models don't even offer an auto version, because no one would buy them (especially in cheap cars). There is a small shift towards auto started by DSG, but other than that... And yes, not wanting to drive an auto includes girls. There are many who prefer manual. At least over there smile.gif

I prefer manual in traffic jams. Makes the ride smoother. Just starting uphill I agree, there auto is nice. smile.gif

Government ban people talking on the phone, in KL I've seen a public bus driver happily chatting along while driving the bus! I have seen so many drive with a phone next to their ear, they might as well make it legal. sad.gif

The airbag off feature is required by EuroNCAP, and probably also other NCAP rating systems.
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in europe..u dn't even need auto
cuz cars there are much more competitive
why auto when u can have DSG brows.gif brows.gif

there u go guys..like i said be4..its required, proton wouldn't just put a switch there for nothing
since proton say this is their 1st international car
thn the features has to meet international safety standard

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Confirm 150hp can work without stress and sweat. 170hp above the cvt has to be strong to handle the abuse.
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QUOTE(tonitoni @ Feb 15 2012, 10:35 PM)
back from this CFE engine..their aim is torque thats why the feedback loop base on their torque..back to basic, why u need more power since in the end u need to burn more gas for it since u got same torque in the end..conservation of energy laugh.gif power is work or energy in the given time.
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having more power is at standby only mah.. on demand when you need it.
if you don;t need that, then just rev to medium rpm, max torque lor.. as you know, max torque, the power isn't 100% it;s around 60-70% only wat.. have 30% more on standby is useful but doesnt mean you dont need to use rev to 6k rpm everytime.
its like why drive a 2L car when 1.5L can pull you point A to B? more power standby at your pedal mah.. not to say need to rev all the way when driving right?
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QUOTE(Vervain @ Feb 15 2012, 10:40 PM)
Confirm 150hp can work without stress and sweat. 170hp above the cvt has to be strong to handle the abuse.
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more accurate to use torque..155hp lancer GT oso use cvt wat whistling.gif


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QUOTE(ar188 @ Feb 15 2012, 10:41 PM)
having more power is at standby only mah.. on demand when you need it.
if you don;t need that, then just rev to medium rpm, max torque lor.. as you know, max torque, the power isn't 100% it;s around 60-70% only wat.. have 30% more on standby is useful but doesnt mean you dont need to use rev to 6k rpm everytime.
its like why drive a 2L car when 1.5L can pull you point A to B? more power standby at your pedal mah.. not to say need to rev all the way when driving right?
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ok bro..u can tailored it yourself and call it CFE code AR188 laugh.gif JK

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QUOTE(tonitoni @ Feb 15 2012, 10:43 PM)
more accurate to use torque..155hp lancer GT oso use cvt wat whistling.gif


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ok bro..u can tailored it yourself and call it CFE code AR188 laugh.gif JK
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haha, and in honor of a fellow engineer who likes crazy frog.. tailor made malaysian car..

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QUOTE(tonitoni @ Feb 15 2012, 10:43 PM)
more accurate to use torque..155hp lancer GT oso use cvt wat whistling.gif
yes gearbox is usually see torque figure, but power does come in due to rpm, not every gearbox can tahan 8000rpm at say 300nm,... hence got power limitation also.. biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(tonitoni @ Feb 15 2012, 10:43 PM)
more accurate to use torque..155hp lancer GT oso use cvt wat whistling.gif


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ok bro..u can tailored it yourself and call it CFE code AR188 laugh.gif JK
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cannot compare like that. the lancer's uses a torque converter

the lancer's cvt is a much larger unit, in fact, it has the specs of the 2.5L taena.

the 2.4l sportback, which uses a cvt, has 226NM of torque
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QUOTE(ckk125 @ Feb 15 2012, 10:53 PM)
cannot compare like that. the lancer's uses a torque converter

the lancer's cvt is a much larger unit, in fact, it has the specs of the 2.5L taena.

the 2.4l sportback, which uses a cvt, has 226NM of torque
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u can refer punch website on how they categorize their VT series on their specific application..they are specialist btw nod.gif


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haha, and in honor of a fellow engineer who likes crazy frog.. tailor made malaysian car..

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yes gearbox is usually see torque figure, but power does come in due to rpm, not every gearbox can tahan 8000rpm at say 300nm,... hence got power limitation also..  biggrin.gif
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u can refer punch website on how they categorize their VT series on their specific application..they are specialist btw nod.gif
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im aware of that. both are very different CVTs

one uses a torque converter, another does not.

also, the Jatco unit is one of the smoothest, was even mentioned by journalists.
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Is CFE Campro standard on all variant of the Proton P321?

Proton may decide to stick with a crappy normal Campro on the lower end model like what they did on the Exora.

On a side note, CVT is not the best transmission to use if you want best 0-100 km/h acceleration time. I hate the mundane 1-tone noise of a CVT. Prefer either a manual or autobox with tiptronic

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QUOTE(779364 @ Feb 15 2012, 11:01 PM)
Is CFE Campro standard on all variant of the Proton P321?

Proton may decide to stick with a crappy normal Campro on the lower end model like what they did on the Exora.
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QUOTE(779364 @ Feb 15 2012, 11:01 PM)
Is CFE Campro standard on all variant of the Proton P321?

Proton may decide to stick with a crappy normal Campro on the lower end model like what they did on the Exora.
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look at golf, from 2.0turbo gti to 1.3 diesel. all using the same body.

proton might do this too, it make sense. not everyone needs a turbo


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im aware of that. both are very different CVTs

one uses a torque converter, another does not.

also, the Jatco unit is one of the smoothest, was even mentioned by journalists.
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of cos smooth la, one of the most poweless soft feeling.

the slyphy one feels very punchy.

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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Feb 15 2012, 11:02 PM)
1.6 IAFM+ manual
1.6 IAFM+ 6 speed CVT
1.6 CFE 7 speed CVT
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Feb 15 2012, 11:03 PM)
look at golf, from 2.0turbo gti to 1.3 diesel. all using the same body.

proton might do this too, it make sense. not everyone needs a turbo


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of cos smooth la, one of the most poweful feeling.

the slyphy one feels very punchy.
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Not when your baseline engine sucks. I understand economy of scale but they could at least include CPS on the lower end model right.

Even the basic Volkswagen polo which retails for less than 15,000 euro uses a smaller cc 1.2 litre TSI. Good for 105 hp.
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Feb 15 2012, 11:03 PM)
look at golf, from 2.0turbo gti to 1.3 diesel. all using the same body.

proton might do this too, it make sense. not everyone needs a turbo


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of cos smooth la, one of the most poweful feeling.

the slyphy one feels very punchy.
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cuz the engine is very torquey, despite the low horsepower.

good example that 0-100 doesnt matter, the torque curve is the most important.
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why only cvt for CFE? why? mad.gif

FLX 1.6 SE olso got auto only


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Haiz, not even CPS. Malaysians had to endure another round of being cheated and shortchanged by Proton
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I believe that's because IAFM+ was developed for CVT. CPS, nope.
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Not when your baseline engine sucks. I understand economy of scale but they could at least include CPS on the lower end model right.

Even the basic Volkswagen polo which retails for less than 15,000 euro uses a smaller cc 1.2 litre TSI. Good for 105 hp.
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1.6 IAFM is really a turn off. Like buying a persona facelift + added accessories.
1.6 CFE is real deal.
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cuz the engine is very torquey, despite the low horsepower.

good example that 0-100 doesnt matter, the torque curve is the most important.
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opps, sorry, typo, i was going to say, jatco in proton/mitsu feels very powerLess.

the one in slyphy is very punchy, i was blown away totally by that uncle car......damn, every step on the pedal, i stick to the chair, no joke. a slyphy, imagine that.
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QUOTE(h4dRi @ Feb 15 2012, 11:06 PM)
why only cvt for CFE? why? mad.gif

FLX 1.6 SE olso got auto only
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On a side note, CVT is not the best transmission to use if you want best 0-100 km/h acceleration time. I hate the mundane 1-tone noise of a CVT. Prefer either a manual or autobox with tiptronic
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theoretically it is.. because during 0-100 it's the only gearbox that doesnt drop rpm like normal fix ratio gearbox i.e. maintain full power of the engine throughout the 0-100 duration. of cos in reallife cvt also got many types.. some good some so so..
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Feb 15 2012, 11:11 PM)
theoretically it is.. because during 0-100 it's the only gearbox that doesnt drop rpm like normal fix ratio gearbox i.e. maintain full power of the engine throughout the 0-100 duration. of cos in reallife cvt also got many types.. some good some so so..
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looking at the fragile nature of CVT gearbox....0-100 best done in other ppl's car biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Feb 15 2012, 11:08 PM)
the one in slyphy is very punchy, i was blown away totally by that uncle car......damn, every step on the pedal, i stick to the chair, no joke. a slyphy, imagine that.
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perhaps its due to the weight difference. hmm.gif
The Sylphy is a lighter car than the Inspira BTW. Almost 100kg lighter.

mundane sound of engine? Let your own foot to decide what engine note you want to hear then.
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looking at the fragile nature of CVT gearbox....0-100 best done in other ppl's car biggrin.gif
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that's why you get one that can tahan ratings of 3.5L power/torque but used on 2L.. biggrin.gif then will not shred to pieces so easily..


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perhaps its due to the weight difference. hmm.gif
The Sylphy is a lighter car than the Inspira BTW. Almost 100kg lighter.

mundane sound of engine? Let your own foot to decide what engine note you want to hear then.
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that is quite true but today the inspira chasing c200 video the engine like bee buzzing sound.. laugh.gif

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QUOTE(779364 @ Feb 15 2012, 11:04 PM)
Haiz, not even CPS. Malaysians had to endure another round of being cheated and shortchanged by Proton
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IAFM+ deliver its peak NM at lower RPM than the CPS :>

so for towning purposes, it will do better than CPS actually..
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QUOTE(779364 @ Feb 15 2012, 11:06 PM)
Not when your baseline engine sucks. I understand economy of scale but they could at least include CPS on the lower end model right.

Even the basic Volkswagen polo which retails for less than 15,000 euro uses a smaller cc 1.2 litre TSI. Good for 105 hp.
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Sorry... not in Germany. Baseline Polo (Trendline) costs 12450 Euro, it has 60 hp. 12975 Euro gets you 70 hp. Both 1.2. For more power you'd be looking at a higher spec'ed line (Comfortline), where the 70 hp 1.2 costs 14525. A 85 hp 1.4 will then cost you 15500. 16000 will give you a 1.2 TSI with 90 hp. 16850 will finally give you a 105 hp 1.2 TSI, and that is the most powerful petrol engine they offer... unless you go for the GTI, which will give you a 180 hp 1.4. 22825 for that one, although you'd probably be spending much more than that because the car will be rather empty (no radio as far as I can see, and yes, that's for the GTI. The baseline one will be worse).
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QUOTE(779364 @ Feb 15 2012, 11:04 PM)
Haiz, not even CPS. Malaysians had to endure another round of being cheated and shortchanged by Proton
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IAFM is sufficient enough for daily driven.

QUOTE(ar188 @ Feb 15 2012, 11:14 PM)
that's why you get one that can tahan ratings of 3.5L power/torque but used on 2L..  biggrin.gif  then will not shred to pieces so easily..


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that is quite true but today the inspira chasing c200 video the engine like bee buzzing sound..  laugh.gif
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Actually now I feel there's nothing to shout about on inspirar. I believe the campro turbo can be on par if not faster than inspirar. My only gripe is how they're going to vent the heat.
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QUOTE(Vervain @ Feb 15 2012, 11:48 PM)
IAFM is sufficient enough for daily driven.
Actually now I feel there's nothing to shout about on inspirar. I believe the campro turbo can be on par if not faster than inspirar. My only gripe is how they're going to vent the heat.
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QUOTE(Vervain @ Feb 15 2012, 11:48 PM)
IAFM is sufficient enough for daily driven.
Actually now I feel there's nothing to shout about on inspirar. I believe the campro turbo can be on par if not faster than inspirar. My only gripe is how they're going to vent the heat.
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With the spec and performance (yet to see), this is way better deal than Inspira. Only that in inspira, you have the impression of mitsu engine's quality, compare to Proton's in house engine.
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actually apart from the early batch of porous Campro in Mahaleel era Gen 2s', lately there isn't much major issues with Proton's Campro line up. Especially after the quality improvement drive done by DSZ.
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Feb 15 2012, 11:53 PM)
With the spec and performance (yet to see), this is way better deal than Inspira. Only that in inspira, you have the impression of mitsu engine's quality, compare to Proton's in house engine.
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No doubt it's an issue that proton needs to address. It has been plaguing the company for years. Well, you cannot not give them the credits for trying right? if they stuck with a boring 4 door saloon with the same normal accessories as vios, one would just top up a bit more and get a dugong for it's superior reliability. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Feb 15 2012, 11:57 PM)
actually apart from the early batch of porous Campro in Mahaleel era Gen 2s', lately there isn't much major issues with Proton's Campro line up. Especially after the quality improvement drive done by DSZ.
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yup it's no longer mundane. For issues of broken door handle they give you magnesium door handles.. erk.. lets just wait for the production unit to roll out.
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very tempting specs. but engine a bit let down based only on perception. if mitsu engine, i think sure is a winner. but kill own inspira's sales. LOL!
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QUOTE(ghost321 @ Feb 16 2012, 12:41 AM)
very tempting specs. but engine a bit let down based only on perception. if mitsu engine, i think sure is a winner. but kill own inspira's sales. LOL!
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lmao. That's lame if you expect MIVEC engine on Proton car all the time.
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I for one think that proton should make different engine capacities and different turbo setups fast.
the 1.6l Campro has been around for too long and used in too many cars.
if drb-hicom can get VW to partner Proton in making new batch of TSI,GTI,turbodiesel engines with GDI.. and license them to use the DSG, then thats where proton really becomes international
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QUOTE(ghost321 @ Feb 16 2012, 12:41 AM)
very tempting specs. but engine a bit let down based only on perception. if mitsu engine, i think sure is a winner. but kill own inspira's sales. LOL!
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Mitsu engine is no longer a feel good factor for proton.

QUOTE(-cmi- @ Feb 16 2012, 12:42 AM)
lmao. That's lame if you expect MIVEC engine on Proton car all the time.
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Yeah, its getting boring proton and mitsu engine.
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QUOTE(ghost321 @ Feb 16 2012, 12:41 AM)
very tempting specs. but engine a bit let down based only on perception. if mitsu engine, i think sure is a winner. but kill own inspira's sales. LOL!
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mivec engine in proton car sound out-to date, if proton keep using mivec then who's want to use their own developed engine. +it's CFE and dont surprise it might better than 2.0 mivec in performance.

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aiyah, malaysian is like that 1, one of my friend more worst, rather buy suzuki alto also dun wan buy myvi lagi best (which have better feature and more valuable)

after getting the car, now complaint like hell, saying suzuki shit, this and that, swear a lot haha... typical malaysian doh.gif

maybe i also like that tongue.gif
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QUOTE(jw_92 @ Feb 16 2012, 12:47 AM)
I for one think that proton should make different engine capacities and different turbo setups fast.
the 1.6l Campro has been around for too long and used in too many cars.
if drb-hicom can get VW to partner Proton in making new batch of TSI,GTI,turbodiesel engines with GDI.. and license them to use the DSG, then thats where proton really becomes international
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DSG..maybe yes if VW approve..cuz if have better deal for better GB...proton sure take
but in terms of engine...dn't think so
proton always is a mix of japanese + european...design and interior they use european
but whats inside the engine compartment, proton always insist on using japanese for reliability
thats why all along u only see them using either campro or mitsu engine...for durability and reliability issue
and those radiator...etc etc part most are japanese
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I think I asked this in another thread: Will this be the last Proton model to use the Campro engine block? or is the Proton family-Y engine (suppose to come in 1.2l, 1.5l and 1.8l) still a long way from delivery?
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QUOTE(AlexLee277 @ Feb 16 2012, 01:23 AM)
aiyah, malaysian is like that 1, one of my friend more worst, rather buy suzuki alto also dun wan buy myvi lagi best (which have better feature and more valuable)

after getting the car, now complaint like hell, saying suzuki shit, this and that, swear a lot haha... typical malaysian doh.gif

maybe i also like that tongue.gif
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thats why i always say...buy the feature, buy the spec
buy the ones that looks value for money
as long as the car has sufficient warranty...nothing can be replaced FREE
plus buying p1 and p2 car...means that alot of ppl will be buying it
if have any problems can come F&F and go to the car club to share and maybe can solve it by self tweaking it only
if u buy those rare car which not alot of ppl own...thn everytime also need to go SC and somemore not alot of mechanic can fix also


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I think I asked this in another thread: Will this be the last Proton model to use the Campro engine block? or is the Proton family-Y engine (suppose to come in 1.2l, 1.5l and 1.8l) still a long way from delivery?
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do u mean is this model will be the last using campro engine?

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do u mean is this model will be the last using campro engine?
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That is what I am asking blush.gif
With CFE, don't you think Proton has gone as far as they could with the Campro engine?
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But last I heard(March 2010), phoenix is an improve Campro, coupled with CVT or 6-speed Getrag gearbox(no sure what happen to this though). CFE is the result of that phoenix project.
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QUOTE(MrssV @ Feb 16 2012, 01:36 AM)
But last I heard(March 2010), phoenix is an improve Campro, coupled with CVT or 6-speed Getrag gearbox(no sure what happen to this though). CFE is the result of that phoenix project.
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Yep CFE is the result of the Phoenix project, what you mentioned was implemented in the Exora Bold. The questions is what's next? Is Proton gonna hang on to Campro IAFM+ & CFE for another 10 years? or will the Family Y engine replace it after P321A.

Linky-link on the Family Y engine rumours....

http://funtastickodesign.wordpress.com/201...ona-r-mac-2012/

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QUOTE(dares @ Feb 16 2012, 01:41 AM)
Yep CFE is the result of the Phoenix project, what you mentioned was implemented in the Exora Bold. The questions is what's next? Is Proton gonna hang on to Campro IAFM+ & CFE for another 10 years? or will the Family Y engine replace it after P321A.
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Not sure about another 10 year as Proton has set 2015, as the year to intro the Y engine to the market.

(edit) as stated in that blog

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QUOTE(dares @ Feb 16 2012, 01:32 AM)
That is what I am asking  blush.gif
With CFE, don't you think Proton has gone as far as they could with the Campro engine?
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well...they did supercharge it
it maybe have failed?..not sure...cuz no news abt it
so maybe they end up turbocharge it
well...some ppl say proton future will use mitsu engine
and i got some source saying will use nissan engine
well..all just rumors
we'll just have to wait till lotus finish develope the new engine for proton which not sure when will finish
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there's still the p3-22 hatchback using this CFE too i guess..
if it wasn't for the exora (too heavy for NA Campro, even after using the CPS engine), the phoenix project wouldn't exist.

2015 is abit late for the new Family Y engines i reckon.. Should've started designing new engines long long time ago. they should start another bolt on turbo project for the campro in the meantime while waiting for the Y engines. And turbodiesels are long long overdue in malaysian cars.. why bother with hybrids
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QUOTE(dares @ Feb 16 2012, 01:32 AM)
That is what I am asking  blush.gif
With CFE, don't you think Proton has gone as far as they could with the Campro engine?
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actually they can go down the direct injection path for campro, but after looking at the quality of the petrol here in msia, they decided otherwise..
anyway campro is quite modular, that is why proton is using it up until now, coz they can pick and mix any tech to this engine during r&d..

anyway the Y family engine is under preliminary works.. but the future of the project rests ultimately on the hands of their new owner..

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talk a bout interior design, perhaps proton might wanna take a look at kia c'eed which featured in both paultan and funtasticko. those are really great!
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QUOTE(jetpacker @ Feb 15 2012, 07:18 PM)
agree +1

but those so called "pro" always say drive manual skillful ma..auto is for gals..but their car 98hp only
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Feb 15 2012, 09:34 PM)
can it be claimed under waranty or how much this thing cost to repair.. i dowan diesel sounding proton..  laugh.gif

anyway sold liao..
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QUOTE(ben_panced @ Feb 16 2012, 05:11 AM)
actually they can go down the direct injection path for campro, but after looking at the quality of the petrol here in msia, they decided otherwise..
anyway campro is quite modular, that is why proton is using it up until now, coz they can pick and mix any tech to this engine during r&d..

anyway the Y family engine is under preliminary works.. but the future of the project rests ultimately on the hands of their new owner..
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GDI isn't make its way to production coz most of the target market use lower quality fuel.
http://funtastickodesign.files.wordpress.c...ssue_43_web.pdf
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rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif .........lol......quite complicated ar.......haha
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oh, senang aje sebenarnye.

ada 2jenis tech.
a. variable valve lift
b. variable valve timing

a. variable valve lift.
campuran minyak+udara perlu masuk ke kebuk pembakaran.
utk masuk, kena lalu satu injap.
injap tu perlu dibuka.
dibuka menggunakan cam.
bukaan tu dipanggil lift.
dlm variable valve lift, ada 2set bentuk cam.
bentuk yg berbeza akan menghasilkan bukaan yg berbeza.
bukaan yg berbeza akan menghasilkan pembakaran yg berbeza.
dlm ertikata lain, power yg berbeza.

b. variable valve timing.
fungsinye ialah menentukan bila bukaan itu patut berlaku.
advance or retard?

contoh2 yg ada di pasaran:
a. variable valve lift - vtec, cps, variocam
b. variable valve timing - dvvt, vvti

abes tu, [istilah] ni ape pula?
-iafm tu satu cara utk regulate air flow yg akan masuk ke combustion chamber.
iafm+ tu kira improvement.
-cps pn ada "iafm", tp dipanggil vim. fungsi sama, berbeza pd apa yg operatekannye.
-cvvt - continuous vvt ni kira improvement drp normal vvt.

kenapa yg ni ada [istilah] & yg ni xde [istilah]?
-tu sume ikut praktikality & bajet
-biorle engineering yg kasi setel masalah tu..hehe
jgn la lawyer ckp lebat cm engineer.
lawyer mesti xsuka kalu engineer ckp lebat cm lawyer kn?
serahkan urusan pd yg berkelayakan.


sekian.

ps: sila betulkan kalu salah smile.gif

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b. variable valve timing - dvvt, vvti = cvvt? or different?
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b. variable valve timing - dvvt, vvti  = cvvt? or different?
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proton ones - basic vvt

toyota version - dynamic vvt / vvt intelligent
cvvt - Continuous vvt

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QUOTE(dvinez @ Feb 16 2012, 10:50 AM)
b. variable valve timing - dvvt, vvti  = cvvt? or different?
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tech name [vvt]
improvement tech name [cvvt]

branding [dvvt-daihatsu, vvti-toyota]

i dunno if toyota's vvt-i is using cvvt tech?
pls enligthen.

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b. variable valve timing - dvvt, vvti  = cvvt? or different?
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same

proton CFE uses vvt only ... inlet only .. exhaust valve tada variable timing .

all is continuous .. at different RPM , different load , the valve advance/retard by certain degree depends on condition.
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QUOTE(dares @ Feb 16 2012, 01:41 AM)
Yep CFE is the result of the Phoenix project, what you mentioned was implemented in the Exora Bold. The questions is what's next? Is Proton gonna hang on to Campro IAFM+ & CFE for another 10 years? or will the Family Y engine replace it after P321A.

Linky-link on the Family Y engine rumours....

http://funtastickodesign.wordpress.com/201...ona-r-mac-2012/
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Nice read, got alot of upgrade for CFE from CPS, new metal gasket, vvt, new auto tensioner for belt, new forged crankshaft, new piston pin, new piston ring, new piston ring groove, oil pump introduced by them.

Really worth the money if anyone buy CFE.
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QUOTE(archonixm @ Feb 16 2012, 11:16 AM)
Nice read, got alot of upgrade for CFE from CPS, new metal gasket, vvt, new auto tensioner for belt, new forged crankshaft, new piston pin, new piston ring, new piston ring groove, oil pump introduced by them.

Really worth the money if anyone buy CFE.
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yeah for bot campro...need to find those parts... drool.gif

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the original Campro wasn't really that strong to sustain powerful mods, so we'll see if the new CFE is improved in that department
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DSG..maybe yes if VW approve..cuz if have better deal for better GB...proton sure take
but in terms of engine...dn't think so
proton always is a mix of japanese + european...design and interior they use european
but whats inside the engine compartment, proton always insist on using japanese for reliability
thats why all along u only see them using either campro or mitsu engine...for durability and reliability issue
and those radiator...etc etc part most are japanese
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just help vw assemble car la, settle.



proton can export their vw golf gti to asean country, and later on, asian country, more business.

and proton engineer get to involve in the project of designing next generation golf gti, looks good for their resume.

the production worker get a chance to assemble golf gti, world class product.

you get to drive golf gti at local proton price, tabao corner at speed you never dream before.

win-win-win-win-win condition

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QUOTE(xshiro @ Feb 16 2012, 11:19 AM)
yeah for bot campro...need to find those parts... drool.gif
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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Feb 16 2012, 11:08 AM)
same

proton CFE uses vvt only ... inlet only .. exhaust valve tada variable timing .

all is continuous .. at different RPM , different load , the valve advance/retard by certain degree depends on condition.
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VVTi and DVVT is continuous meh?
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QUOTE(jw_92 @ Feb 16 2012, 11:36 AM)
the original Campro wasn't really that strong to sustain powerful mods, so we'll see if the new CFE is improved in that department
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the engine might be improved for powerful mods. but the cvt gearbox that it came with is not. if want to do modification. need to change the gearbox as well.
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Feb 16 2012, 11:43 AM)
just help vw assemble car la, settle.
proton can export their vw golf gti to asean country, and later on, asian country, more business.

and proton engineer get to involve in the project of designing next generation golf gti, looks good for their resume.

the production worker get a chance to assemble golf gti, world class product.

you get to drive golf gti at local proton price, tabao corner at speed you never dream before.

win-win-win-win-win condition

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then it would just be totally pointless and worthless, starting over again from 30 years ago. whats the point of designing this p3-21a, campros, satria neos then?

on a side note: I personally think the golf's strong points are the turbocharged and supercharged engine and the DSG gearbox, nothing else. a fiesta's handling beats the golf anytime

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wow, 1.6 turbo = 2L performance?
for the premium model, will it comes with leather seats? or did i missed it from the 1st post.

so proton interior is European style, so the signal lever is always on the left side of steering wheel?
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QUOTE(jw_92 @ Feb 16 2012, 12:02 PM)
then it would just be totally pointless and worthless, starting over again from 30 years ago. whats the point of designing this p3-21a, campros, satria neos then?

on a side note: I personally think the golf's strong points are the turbocharged and supercharged engine and the DSG gearbox, nothing else. a fiesta's handling beats the golf anytime
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Fiesta beats golf. Maybe.

1.4 golf or golf gti. No. Lol

So far never seen a fast fiesta so i dunno.
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QUOTE(xshiro @ Feb 16 2012, 11:04 AM)
proton ones - basic vvt

toyota version - dynamic vvt / vvt intelligent
cvvt - Continuous vvt

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proton got variable valve timing, on intake and exhaust cams btw..

4b10 and 4b11, of course. tongue.gif

it is equivalent to toyota dual vvti
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QUOTE(jw_92 @ Feb 16 2012, 12:02 PM)
then it would just be totally pointless and worthless, starting over again from 30 years ago. whats the point of designing this p3-21a, campros, satria neos then?

on a side note: I personally think the golf's strong points are the turbocharged and supercharged engine and the DSG gearbox, nothing else. a fiesta's handling beats the golf anytime
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I personally think golf's strong point is suddenly a big group of fanboys jumping on the bandwagon... its a butt ugly car tongue.gif
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I personally think golf's strong point is suddenly a big group of fanboys jumping on the bandwagon... its a butt ugly car tongue.gif
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Must thank topgear and fifth gear lo.....
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Must thank topgear and fifth gear lo.....
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Dont blame them.. to them its a cheap entry level car.. liek our Myvi cheap and decent power.

To us here.. it suddenly become a mid level luxury marque... doh.gif
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well i'll call it conventional and a utilitarian design..
translation: ugly and boring

@turbocharged: ever heard of Monsieur Ken Block? hahaha..
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VVTi and DVVT is continuous meh?
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continuous is just a TERM they use ..

wat ever VVT .. all function the same geh ..

at different LOAD , different RPM ... the ECU will read the VVT (or wat ever map) .. and advance/retard the timing according to the situation ..
if u ask me in terms of logic .. it is consider CONTINUOUS as well .. as ur RPM is not STUCK in the same position and ur LOAD is not the same when u are driving ma... so the valve vary depends on situation and continously till u OFF ur engine lo
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well i'll call it conventional and a utilitarian design..
translation: ugly and boring

@turbocharged: ever heard of Monsieur Ken Block? hahaha..
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he is not driving a fiesta.

he is driving a monster fiesta lol.
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QUOTE(xshiro @ Feb 16 2012, 11:04 AM)
proton ones - basic vvt

toyota version - dynamic vvt / vvt intelligent
cvvt - Continuous vvt

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nope proton's vvt in cfe is CVVT
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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Feb 16 2012, 01:13 PM)
continuous is just a TERM they use ..

wat ever VVT .. all function the same geh ..

at different LOAD , different RPM ... the ECU will read the VVT (or wat ever map) .. and advance/retard the timing according to the situation ..
if u ask me in terms of logic .. it is consider CONTINUOUS as well .. as ur RPM is not STUCK in the same position and ur LOAD is not the same when u are driving ma... so the valve vary depends on situation and continously till u OFF ur engine lo
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Thanks for the info.

Isn't there are another kind of VVT or VVL systems that are not continuous? Such as the VTEC, the older MIVEC and Proton's CPS that swap cams on preset RPMs. Hence the term "continuous" to differentiate between these systems and the continuous ones.

Toyota's VVTi, CFE's VVT and Daihatsu's DVVT are continuous, though, AFAIK.

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QUOTE(jw_92 @ Feb 16 2012, 11:36 AM)
the original Campro wasn't really that strong to sustain powerful mods, so we'll see if the new CFE is improved in that department
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i think they already improved it..its just not seen only
as far as i know..all along campro the least only can use 10w-40
manual also recommend 10w-40
and many said 10w-30 is not good and too light for campro
but since FLX, i dn't know what they did, but campro is recommended to use 10w-30 since


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QUOTE(stargate8 @ Feb 16 2012, 12:41 PM)
wow, 1.6 turbo = 2L performance?
for the premium model, will it comes with leather seats? or did i missed it from the 1st post.

so proton interior is European style, so the signal lever is always on the left side of steering wheel?
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their interior is always follow european style
signal lever is always on the left side all along

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Thanks for the info.

Isn't there are another kind of VVT or VVL systems that are not continuous? Such as the VTEC, the older MIVEC and Proton's CPS that swap cams on preset RPMs. Hence the term "continuous" to differentiate between these systems and the continuous ones.

VVTi and DVVT are continuous, though, AFAIK.
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those are not call VVT ..
vvt stands for variable valve timing ... it actually advance the valve open or retard the valve open ..

VTEC, MIVEC (The older days MIVEC, not the current Lancer one) .. CPS ..
those are call LIFT ... the technology is totally different.. it has a 2ndary cam loop .. when it engage.. the valve will open base on the 2ndary loop. its like changing cam instantly .. normally these cam (2nd cam) have higher loops .. means the valve open DEEPER .. allow more air to go in .. it does not have the capability to change the timing instantly .. but it will base on the timing on the 2nd cam ..

if u know about HIGH cams.... bad for idling .. got for high end power ... VTEC, OLD MIVEC, CPS .. is like the engine will switch instantly to the 2ndary HIGH Cam at certain RPM .. tahts why u hear ppl says VTEC KICK IN ..

summarize .. VVT --> more to fuel saving
LIFT --> more to powar ...
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those are not call VVT ..
vvt stands for variable valve timing ... it actually advance the valve open or retard the valve open ..

VTEC, MIVEC (The older days MIVEC, not the current Lancer one) .. CPS ..
those are call LIFT  ... the technology is totally different.. it has a 2ndary cam loop .. when it engage.. the valve will open base on the 2ndary loop. its like changing cam instantly .. normally these cam (2nd cam) have higher loops .. means the valve open DEEPER .. allow more air to go in .. it does not have the capability to change the timing instantly .. but it will base on the timing on the 2nd cam ..

if u know about HIGH cams.... bad for idling .. got for high end power ... VTEC, OLD MIVEC, CPS .. is like the engine will switch instantly to the 2ndary HIGH Cam at certain RPM .. tahts why u hear ppl says VTEC KICK IN ..

summarize .. VVT --> more to fuel saving
LIFT --> more to powar ...
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Emm sorry I'll have to call you out on that. smile.gif

VTEC and MIVEC are both variable valve timing systems, not valve lift.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VTEC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIVEC

The first paragraph of each article pretty much sums it all up.

You're are right about CPS is variable valve lift.


Added on February 16, 2012, 2:20 pmAnyway, from my research:

Early VVT systems are cam-switching systems, which means the engine will switch to different cams with different cam lobes based on a preset RPM.

New VVT are continuous, either through cam-phasing or adjusting the cam belt tension or some other obscured method. The point is it will continuously adjust the valve timing instead of switching cams are preset RPMs.

Just sharing, correct me if I am wrong

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QUOTE(dares @ Feb 16 2012, 02:16 PM)
Emm sorry I'll have to call you out on that.  smile.gif

VTEC and MIVEC are both variable valve timing systems, not valve lift.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VTEC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIVEC

The first paragraph of each article pretty much sums it all up.

You're are right about CPS is variable valve lift.


Added on February 16, 2012, 2:20 pmAnyway, from my research:

Early VVT systems are cam-switching systems, which means the engine will switch to different cams with different cam lobes based on a preset RPM.

New VVT are continuous, either through cam-phasing or adjusting the cam belt tension or some other obscured method. The point is it will continuously adjust the valve timing instead of switching cams are preset RPMs.

Just sharing, correct me if I am wrong
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"MIVEC was first introduced in 1992 in their 4G92 powerplant, a 1,597 cc naturally aspirated DOHC 16 valve straight-4.[2] At the time, the first generation of the system was named Mitsubishi Innovative Valve timing and lift Electronic Control"

again .. its a jargon only ... the naming ...
wat i trying to says is why VTEC and MIVEC older days are amazing .. is becoz of the LIFT ..


Added on February 16, 2012, 2:26 pmThe newer days Mivec is ... Valve timing only ..

yes .. never vtec comes with both .. timing and lift ...
basically all vvt works continous ... the LIFT will only comes kicking on certain range .. (if the engine comes with the lift)

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QUOTE(dares @ Feb 16 2012, 02:16 PM)
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Just sharing, correct me if I am wrong
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Pls press ctrl+f to find the word "Lift" in the wiki vtec.

vtec involves lift.

1 paragraph is not enough to explain the whole technology.
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old mivec

MIVEC system provides both of these benefits by controlling valve timing and lift.

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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Feb 16 2012, 02:24 PM)
"MIVEC was first introduced in 1992 in their 4G92 powerplant, a 1,597 cc naturally aspirated DOHC 16 valve straight-4.[2] At the time, the first generation of the system was named Mitsubishi Innovative Valve timing and lift Electronic Control"

again .. its a jargon only ... the naming ...
wat i trying to says is why VTEC and MIVEC older days are amazing .. is becoz of the LIFT ..


Added on February 16, 2012, 2:26 pmThe newer days Mivec is ... Valve timing only ..

yes .. never vtec comes with both .. timing and lift ...
basically all vvt works continous ... the LIFT will only comes kicking on certain range .. (if the engine comes with the lift)
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but new mivec comes with both...haha

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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Feb 16 2012, 02:24 PM)
"MIVEC was first introduced in 1992 in their 4G92 powerplant, a 1,597 cc naturally aspirated DOHC 16 valve straight-4.[2] At the time, the first generation of the system was named Mitsubishi Innovative Valve timing and lift Electronic Control"

again .. its a jargon only ... the naming ...
wat i trying to says is why VTEC and MIVEC older days are amazing .. is becoz of the LIFT ..


Added on February 16, 2012, 2:26 pmThe newer days Mivec is ... Valve timing only ..

yes .. never vtec comes with both .. timing and lift ...
basically all vvt works continous ... the LIFT will only comes kicking on certain range .. (if the engine comes with the lift)
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Feb 16 2012, 02:26 PM)
Pls press ctrl+f to find the word "Lift" in the wiki vtec.

vtec involves lift.

1 paragraph is not enough to explain the whole technology.
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OK, I was under the impression that both valve timing and lifting only engage at certain RPMs.

Sorry for any misinformation.

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but new mivec comes with both...haha
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OK, I was under the impression that both valve timing and lifting only engage at certain RPMs.

Sorry for any misinformation.
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its ok.

now i know vtec in wiki has 14 lift words biggrin.gif
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from my understanding, when the engine have valve lift automatically their timing oso altered..can see clearly using valve profile graph..that why older MIVEC and all vtec have both..however, vvt like vvt-i toyota can only altered the timing but not lift..still, iinm there are staging vvt which are not continous in old engine application which only have 2 or there diff timing which dedicated for certain rev band..for example 0 degree during 0 - 3000 rpm and 2 degree advance or retard for 3000-redline rpm, isit? hmm.gif
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Dont blame them.. to them its a cheap entry level car.. liek our Myvi cheap and decent power.

To us here.. it suddenly become a mid level luxury marque...  doh.gif
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Trust me. A Golf GTI is not a cheap entry level car to most Germans. Those who buy it are relatively well off... (most would rather buy a Passat etc. when you can afford a GTI), the regular Golf... more common, yes, best selling car of any year, but entry level would probably be a small Hyundai, Toyota Aygo, VW Up, Renault Twingo, or at most a Polo/Fiesta/Corsa/Clio (Polo being the premium one). Probably you'd buy a second hand car though.

Actually the Golf VI is a big improvement over the V, IV and III. Only I and II were good looking cars, after that... at least the VI looks decent. It has to be a bit bland looking to be suitable for the masses. (Also I think it's great for all the tuners who can actually improve on the design rather than making it uglier (i.e. the design can only be improved, with something like the last Fiesta it can only be ruined, as proven by the new Fiesta)). Just look at Toyotas. Most of them are bland and boring, look dated (at least I think the Golf VI looks modern and sharp).

@turbocharged: Fiesta ST and better yet RS, and of course the rally cars etc.
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Feb 16 2012, 03:55 PM)
Trust me. A Golf GTI is not a cheap entry level car to most Germans. Those who buy it are relatively well off... (most would rather buy a Passat etc. when you can afford a GTI), the regular Golf... more common, yes, best selling car of any year, but entry level would probably be a small Hyundai, Toyota Aygo, VW Up, Renault Twingo, or at most a Polo/Fiesta/Corsa/Clio (Polo being the premium one). Probably you'd buy a second hand car though.

Actually the Golf VI is a big improvement over the V, IV and III. Only I and II were good looking cars, after that... at least the VI looks decent. It has to be a bit bland looking to be suitable for the masses. (Also I think it's great for all the tuners who can actually improve on the design rather than making it uglier (i.e. the design can only be improved, with something like the last Fiesta it can only be ruined, as proven by the new Fiesta)). Just look at Toyotas. Most of them are bland and boring, look dated (at least I think the Golf VI looks modern and sharp).

@turbocharged: Fiesta ST and better yet RS, and of course the rally cars etc.
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Back to p3-21a discussion can?
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sick of 1.6... proton everything also 1.6 laugh my ass out.. LMFAO!!

The most beautiful part of a car is the emblem.. if its with 458 body looks with the "proton" emblem, still the ugliest car ever. Agree? aahahahaha i guess majority would agree me so.
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1.6 la gooding.. roadtax cheap
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QUOTE(alwjmonster @ Feb 16 2012, 07:03 PM)
sick of 1.6... proton everything also 1.6 laugh my ass out.. LMFAO!!

The most beautiful part of a car is the emblem.. if its with 458 body looks with the "proton" emblem, still the ugliest car ever. Agree? aahahahaha i guess majority would agree me so.
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ya...u so rich...u go buy 6.2L aventador la
roadtax very cheap only ma...few thousand
insurance also quite cheap...few hundred thousand only
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Feb 16 2012, 07:27 PM)
ya...u so rich...u go buy 6.2L aventador la
roadtax very cheap only ma...few thousand
insurance also quite cheap...few hundred thousand only
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QUOTE(jetpacker @ Feb 16 2012, 07:17 PM)
all talk engines like very pro like that..mechanic kah..u know how to fix meh
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who design the engine btw, mechanic?LOL tongue.gif whistling.gif


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QUOTE(alwjmonster @ Feb 16 2012, 07:03 PM)
sick of 1.6... proton everything also 1.6 laugh my ass out.. LMFAO!!

The most beautiful part of a car is the emblem.. if its with 458 body looks with the "proton" emblem, still the ugliest car ever. Agree? aahahahaha i guess majority would agree me so.
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most manufacture start to downsizing now, where have u been before?just came out from cave whistling.gif
look around bro, 1.4TSI and BMW 1.6T prince engine used in wide range of car segment..towards greener environment notworthy.gif

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why not put the 1.3 campro and put supercharger + turbo...sure the fc will be good..or if just put the turbo,then put inside persona sure can get better sales..
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QUOTE(megat89 @ Feb 16 2012, 07:51 PM)
why not put the 1.3 campro and put supercharger + turbo...sure the fc will be good..or if just put the turbo,then put inside persona sure can get better sales..
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cost... and reliable....
u know how complex is the twin charge engine??
u ask proton to produce twin charge? sweat.gif
turbo already one big step for proton....
now need wait years to check the reliability

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1.6 i believe was used because of the road tax structure in malaysia
although i agree a 1.2 or 1.4 should be looked into too.. the 1.3 has alot of potential i think..

Proton: keep the CFE paired to the CVT if 205nm is because of the limitations of the gearbox, but give us more from the turbo+manual gearbox
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QUOTE(tonitoni @ Feb 16 2012, 07:40 PM)
most manufacture start to downsizing now, where have u been before?just came out from cave whistling.gif
look around bro, 1.4TSI and BMW 1.6T prince engine used in wide range of car segment..towards greener environment notworthy.gif
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He's just here to bash Proton la. Notice he said any car put the Proton badge will also become ugly? shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(jetpacker @ Feb 16 2012, 07:17 PM)
all talk engines like very pro like that..mechanic kah..u know how to fix meh
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ooo like tat one...

i learn bout tires.. so i tukang pasang tayar??

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QUOTE(megat89 @ Feb 16 2012, 07:51 PM)
why not put the 1.3 campro and put supercharger + turbo...sure the fc will be good..or if just put the turbo,then put inside persona sure can get better sales..
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they did buy a few units of supercharger to test
no news abt it until now
last time said gonna use in satria neo
well...maybe? it fail?...no one knows
twin charge...the engine can tahan or not oh?..not any engine can be supercharge
the fact that european engine uses twin charger...well...their engine are known to be not as reliable as japanese engine
but they're famous for POWER

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QUOTE(jetpacker @ Feb 16 2012, 07:17 PM)
all talk engines like very pro like that..mechanic kah..u know how to fix meh
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So who is better driver? Taxi driver or mikka shoes maker?
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surely 6-speed CVT with turbo-charged CFE

& priced at max RM75k?
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CFE is paired with 7-speed CVT with pedal shifters.
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QUOTE(e36.hartge @ Feb 16 2012, 09:59 PM)
surely 6-speed CVT with turbo-charged CFE

& priced at max RM75k?
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6 speed is IAFM+
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CFE is paired with 7-speed CVT with pedal shifters.
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7-speed? drool.gif
means what?6speed +reverse gear
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7speed + reverse gear?
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QUOTE(e36.hartge @ Feb 16 2012, 10:02 PM)
7-speed? drool.gif
means what?6speed +reverse gear
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of course 7 speed + reverse
since when u heard ppl say 4 speed auto = 3 speed + reverse gear?
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QUOTE(e36.hartge @ Feb 16 2012, 10:02 PM)
7-speed? drool.gif
means what?6speed +reverse gear
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7speed + reverse gear?
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Then my house old Datsun and Kancil is 6 speed!!! Because 5speed+reverse!!
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Feb 16 2012, 09:24 PM)
they did buy a few units of supercharger to test
no news abt it until now
last time said gonna use in satria neo
well...maybe? it fail?...no one knows
twin charge...the engine can tahan or not oh?..not any engine can be supercharge
the fact that european engine uses twin charger...well...their engine are known to be not as reliable as japanese engine
but they're famous for POWER
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superchargers are a whole new story compared to bolt on turbos. my guess would be that the campro can not withstand the supercharging. or that the reliability of the engine is drastically reduced with the supercharger..
id rather take power and drivability over reliability and 2ndhand value though.. which sadly is what the majority malaysian car buyers are
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QUOTE(jw_92 @ Feb 16 2012, 10:52 PM)
superchargers are a whole new story compared to bolt on turbos. my guess would be that the campro can not withstand the supercharging. or that the reliability of the engine is drastically reduced with the supercharger..
id rather take power and drivability over reliability and 2ndhand value though.. which sadly is what the majority malaysian car buyers are
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this means you should buy used bmw!!
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QUOTE(jw_92 @ Feb 16 2012, 10:52 PM)
superchargers are a whole new story compared to bolt on turbos. my guess would be that the campro can not withstand the supercharging. or that the reliability of the engine is drastically reduced with the supercharger..
id rather take power and drivability over reliability and 2ndhand value though.. which sadly is what the majority malaysian car buyers are
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maybe the old campro cannot tahan but they did upgrade/improve the campro lately..thats why now campro recommend 10w-30 oil...last time is 10w-40
not any can be supercharge ...well, have to leave that to the R&D department..let them do the job
well...if u want power, u can always go for european brand, their engine always known for power but not for reliability
proton have to remain reliability cuz if not many will bomb proton say why last only XXXKM
because proton's customer target is low and middle income..not high income
so reliability is very important for them, cuz they can't afford the engine being broken(very expensive to fix/replace)
2 thing proton insist on reliability which is the engine and GB...this 2 combine made up the 70-80% of the car price
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Feb 16 2012, 03:59 PM)
oh man, how young are you?
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I'm your father, turbo. laugh.gif No, 26.

Why do you ask? Golf I and II, especially the I are classics. But after that... only the VI looks decent again.
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Feb 16 2012, 10:07 PM)
of course 7 speed + reverse
since when u heard ppl say 4 speed auto = 3 speed + reverse gear?
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actually old campro and most average cars can tahan Supercharge more than turbo. smile.gif The reason why it's not use is there's more components , more expensive, higher risk of failure and produces less power. Also, it's not as efficient as turbo. The good thing about superchargers is that it's not as laggy as turbo. TOD is better than turbo.
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QUOTE(alwjmonster @ Feb 16 2012, 07:03 PM)
sick of 1.6... proton everything also 1.6 laugh my ass out.. LMFAO!!

The most beautiful part of a car is the emblem.. if its with 458 body looks with the "proton" emblem, still the ugliest car ever. Agree? aahahahaha i guess majority would agree me so.
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doh.gif ini orang should go vacation and get some rest la. too stress is it?

QUOTE(jetpacker @ Feb 16 2012, 07:17 PM)
all talk engines like very pro like that..mechanic kah..u know how to fix meh
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Feb 16 2012, 11:04 PM)
I'm your father, turbo. laugh.gif No, 26.

Why do you ask? Golf I and II, especially the I are classics. But after that... only the VI looks decent again.
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im on your side, the mk3 and 4 is ugly as hell.. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(e36.hartge @ Feb 16 2012, 10:02 PM)
7-speed? drool.gif
means what?6speed +reverse gear
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7speed + reverse gear?
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7 forward "virtual" gear..ala altis


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QUOTE(jw_92 @ Feb 16 2012, 10:52 PM)
superchargers are a whole new story compared to bolt on turbos. my guess would be that the campro can not withstand the supercharging. or that the reliability of the engine is drastically reduced with the supercharger..
id rather take power and drivability over reliability and 2ndhand value though.. which sadly is what the majority malaysian car buyers are
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from other forum, those superchgr is for neo.

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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Feb 16 2012, 11:04 PM)
I'm your father, turbo. laugh.gif No, 26.

Why do you ask? Golf I and II, especially the I are classics. But after that... only the VI looks decent again.
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haha, its subjective, but i think mark 5 is the best, the rest is .....sleep.gif
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QUOTE(Vervain @ Feb 17 2012, 12:43 AM)
actually old campro and most average cars can tahan Supercharge more than turbo. smile.gif The reason why it's not use is there's more components , more expensive, higher risk of failure and produces less power. Also, it's not as efficient as turbo. The good thing about superchargers is that it's not as laggy as turbo. TOD is better than turbo.
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QUOTE(alwjmonster @ Feb 16 2012, 07:03 PM)
sick of 1.6... proton everything also 1.6 laugh my ass out.. LMFAO!!

The most beautiful part of a car is the emblem.. if its with 458 body looks with the "proton" emblem, still the ugliest car ever. Agree? aahahahaha i guess majority would agree me so.
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oii... nok kutuk proton pun agak2 la..
yg teruk kita kutuk la, tapi jgn sampai terlepas pandang benda yg bagus
have u heard of the downsizing trend?
even mercs are using puny 1.8 engines now...
bmw is playing a catch-up game with the new F30.. plus the introduction of new 4-cyl engines for the F10.

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Back to the p3-21A.. it is a shame that they didn't go with the concept design for mass production.
when it came out i thought proton finally did something amazing ala korean cars nowadays. but they had to go and tone it down and make it all weird.. doh.gif
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QUOTE(jw_92 @ Feb 17 2012, 04:41 PM)
Back to the p3-21A.. it is a shame that they didn't go with the concept design for mass production.
when it came out i thought proton finally did something amazing ala korean cars nowadays. but they had to go and tone it down and make it all weird.. doh.gif
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no one uses their concept car and mass produce it
NO ONE...concept will always stay as concept, they will never produce it
the concept design is only designed for cool in mind only
they never take cost, safety, JPJ regulation into consideration
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But at least the end product should have some similarities to the original concept in terms of exterior. It is totally opposite with p3-21a case.
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QUOTE(37867 @ Feb 17 2012, 05:19 PM)
But at least the end product should have some similarities to the original concept in terms of exterior. It is totally opposite with p3-21a case.
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wait till mid of march, all will be answered
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Feb 17 2012, 04:55 PM)
no one uses their concept car and mass produce it
NO ONE...concept will always stay as concept, they will never produce it
the concept design is only designed for cool in mind only
they never take cost, safety, JPJ regulation into consideration
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err...

This is a concept car back in 2007,

user posted image

Now, the car is actually real, with no major changes...
user posted image


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no one uses their concept car if its too radical and impossible to be made (except for that crazily awesome BMW i8)
but plenty of cars start out as concepts..
i don't really think the changes made to the p3-21a have much to do with cost safety or regulations. they are trying to make it boring so that more people would buy them
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Feb 17 2012, 05:30 PM)
wait till mid of march, all will be answered
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but i tot the photo come out already? won't be different 1month later.. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Feb 17 2012, 05:45 PM)
but i tot the photo come out already? won't be different 1month later..  biggrin.gif
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maybe add some sticker or decal it will be nicer biggrin.gif
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a boring car got people buy? i won't buy a boring car, coz u will feel boring while driving it.
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Feb 17 2012, 05:49 PM)
maybe add some sticker or decal it will be nicer biggrin.gif
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with sticker, then sure increase 100bhp biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Feb 17 2012, 05:49 PM)
maybe add some sticker or decal it will be nicer biggrin.gif
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saw it with my own eyes, this new model needs a major revamp (or maybe some aftermart bodykit) . anyway, the sportsback version is really drool.gif (i dont think it will arrive within these 2 years)
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QUOTE(jw_92 @ Feb 17 2012, 05:42 PM)
no one uses their concept car if its too radical and impossible to be made (except for that crazily awesome BMW i8)
but plenty of cars start out as concepts..
i don't really think the changes made to the p3-21a have much to do with cost safety or regulations. they are trying to make it boring so that more people would buy them
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if cost wasn't a problem, they would have given the car the original tuah's tail light which is what everybody wants
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Still on the topic of the concept car vs the production car ka?

I guess if some aftermarket bodykit fabricators are smart, they will start manufacturing bodykits/lamps/bumpers that look like the concept car after the P321A is launched. Sure sell like hotcakes rclxms.gif


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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Feb 17 2012, 06:05 PM)
if cost wasn't a problem, they would have given the car the original tuah's tail light which is what everybody wants
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QUOTE(jw_92 @ Feb 17 2012, 04:41 PM)
Back to the p3-21A.. it is a shame that they didn't go with the concept design for mass production.
when it came out i thought proton finally did something amazing ala korean cars nowadays. but they had to go and tone it down and make it all weird.. doh.gif
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And who again said Tuah is the concept of P3-21A? Proton never said that, except media.

If you look at the Tuah concept spec, it uses 1.8L engine. This can indicate that Tuah concept car might be using the 'family y' force induction engine, which have 1.8l in their list.

That is why i suggested that P3-21A is not a Tuah derivative. Tuah might be the successor of P3-21A.
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"drive it to BELIEVE it"
may b the name will be proton PERCAYA???
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Feb 17 2012, 08:15 PM)
And who again said Tuah is the concept of P3-21A? Proton never said that, except media.

If you look at the Tuah concept spec, it uses 1.8L engine.  This can indicate that Tuah concept car might be using the 'family y' force induction engine, which have 1.8l in their list.

That is why i suggested that P3-21A is not a Tuah derivative.  Tuah might be the successor of P3-21A.
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if you insist then..hahaha
then it would be like showing the flx to the media with 1.6l iafm+ and cvt, and then releasing the BLM with 1.3 and 4 speed auto.
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QUOTE(eistern @ Feb 17 2012, 09:16 PM)
"drive it to BELIEVE it"
may b the name will be proton PERCAYA???
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Proton Persepsi
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Proton believe?
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p3-21a slogan : proton, the next level
LOL
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lol...

good one there proton percaya....

if tuah is using gen y engine, then perhaps need to wait for few years for this tuah concept to be in production, but really this tuah doesnt seem to be that expensive to produce...

erm, what about the persona espire? was it based on tuah design?
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Proton Percaya kinda lame bro. This is meant for global car, name should be more attractive.

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