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MR_alien
post Feb 15 2012, 01:19 AM

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if the car really looks like this
this its nice...for me
the interior is NICE
feature is good enough...considering the price range
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post Feb 15 2012, 01:53 AM

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QUOTE(izdyharz @ Feb 15 2012, 01:34 AM)
Huh! Indeed gonna be the best proton ever produced. Really look promising!
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if DSZ still in proton and TM(MD) didn't kacau kacau there
this improvement u see will continue


Added on February 15, 2012, 1:55 am
QUOTE(Jazz6218 @ Feb 15 2012, 01:43 AM)
i think the non cfe model,will be underpower... 5 star chassis sure 1300kg+ ad,
but the cfe model selling at 75k  drool.gif  drool.gif  pwn vios,and city anyday  laugh.gif
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the non CFE(IAFM) will be underpower if it still uses 4AT
but the fact that its a 1.6L IAFM and using CVT GB
the power would be just enough and little bit more

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post Feb 15 2012, 01:56 AM

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QUOTE(llutephie @ Feb 15 2012, 01:51 AM)
waiting info about fuel consumption and top speed happy.gif
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FC i think can refer to exora CFE
it should be lil bit lower
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post Feb 15 2012, 02:33 AM

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the interior i like
got traction control ON/OFF
the door lock and unlock button is on the left... passenger easier to press
the H-line interior is nice
and the last slide...it did say yes modem
many thought it was an ads(when it was copied) last time the spec was exposed in another thread
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post Feb 15 2012, 12:27 PM

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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Feb 15 2012, 10:12 AM)
local car at higher price, very hard la.

u see, inspira which is a lancer, cannot pwn honda city and vios!!  imagine that.

a lancer cannot pwn city and vios.

this turbo car....well....its not going to lure the vios and city buyer.

its for persona/gen2/saga owner to upgrade. and frankly speaking, the first turbo mass prod car, ppl are sketical.
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not alot of ppl buy mitsu lancer in real as well
so inspira won't do that much better
inspira is at a class of it own and this p3-21a is also at a class of its own
1 using 2.0L mivec...1 is turbocharged 1.6L
in terms of spec and price already beat both but ppl will still buy vios because of brand and face...


Added on February 15, 2012, 12:32 pm
QUOTE(zhngmykahzhng @ Feb 15 2012, 11:01 AM)
Proton should advertise the car in a more positive way like the strong chassis, handling and torque /speed in some good scene with challenging road. Dont just show some padi field or old balik kampung scene or even throwing the car from a monster that not really interest the potential buyer.

How can a boot space able to fill in more durians can interest the buyer? Even if you attempt a more glamorous city sky-scraper or 5 stars hotel grand entrance with a slow motion with nicely tux guy or well dress bootylicious girl, it will not interest the buyer because the car is not at a premium /luxurious line.

A turbocharge car should put in the more aggressive and stylish street legal aspect then slowly the goodies shall be known as worth it.

Boastful paper specs with too many gadgetry from Proton is no longer capturing the market. Show us more videos like maybe "The making of P321A" documentary style and build back the confidence. Don't act childishly like those KL Drift or arrogance thrashing competitor cars like Top Gear. Even those local media car tune magazines should provide unbiased review.

Start it the right way if this car really worth it and do it like a big man if this is the global market car. All the best!!!! [Don't just stop at only "Lagi Power, Lagi Best"] smile.gif
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well..the thing is proton's aim is low income and middle income group that is simple minded
using simple thing to explain to them makes them easy to understand
how to easily make them see how big is the boot is to see how many durian or watermelon can be put inside there
hahaha tongue.gif


Added on February 15, 2012, 12:38 pm
QUOTE(MeToo @ Feb 15 2012, 12:05 PM)
Smart wor... who will so dumb buy Proton?! Only people with no money will ever buy a proton man.

Especially those over glorified Inspira with their Campro engine.. sigh... E36 sure blow them all out of the water lah! Can get more chicks also!
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ya...E36 very nice oh
who doesn't want
u can afford the car...can u afford the maintainance?...spare parts?
most ppl think they just have to pay for the car and nothing else
they never think abt what need to pay after buying the car
minor and major service, tyres, faulty spare parts, road tax, insurance

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post Feb 15 2012, 01:15 PM

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QUOTE(hexer_xavier @ Feb 15 2012, 01:02 PM)
if you go autobavaria or sunway workshop, guaranteed they are going to strangle you alive.

i bought the car on the same time my colleague got a waja. let me tell you something, he spend a lot more for maintenance compared to me.

failed radiator, twice failed power windows, failed fuel pump  doh.gif

me? just regular oil change .. and 17" tire.
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hmm..i've a waja as well
other than power window which i didn't bother to fix
pretty much the car is problem-free
just need to do regular service only
my dad didn't take care of it well also no problem and by not taking care well i mean his theory of service is
1st service 5000...next service 10000KM...and by 10000KM is not 10000KM in meter...is adding 10000KM to that 5000
got 1 time he never service the car for 20k KM
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post Feb 15 2012, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Feb 15 2012, 02:36 PM)
Ha, Proton also so ambitious. laugh.gif Lamborghini qualities at a much much lower price. Who wouldn't want that?
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many european cars now are lower CC and already turbocharged
left japanese car didn't do that only, GB also use back 4AT, only those real japanese made only uses CVT
japanese are playing it too safe..thus cannot compete with other brand
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post Feb 15 2012, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Feb 15 2012, 03:55 PM)
Oh, sorry. Didn't know. My condolences.

@MR_alien: The Japanese are struggling a bit, but I think in Europe they do have competitive cars. Only in Malaysia a 4AT is a good feature, since mechanics know it well and it is well proven. smile.gif

Almost all contis (and Japs and Koreans in Europe) have that airbag turn off feature. You don't have it, you lose stars in EuroNCAP. There are rear mounted baby seats (baby facing the rear of the car, but sitting on the front seat). For those an airbag would be deadly. No airbag means the seatbelt and the baby seat will keep the baby safe. smile.gif
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the japanese actually have competitive car
cars having CVT GB and many features
but those car are for japanese and other foreign countries only
in asean, it is the higher end of the car...like altis and camry
the 5 local asean model doesn't stand a chance at all

and airbags on/off
other brand also have...ppl just quiet
when proton have it..ppl go bash abt it

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QUOTE(razkal @ Feb 15 2012, 04:07 PM)
Doesnt matter where the part comes from. For me, the most important thing is the engine performance and reliability.

Reading this articles from Lotus really shows the performance of the car if you can see the graph. The power that came with it is actually higher than a 2.0 NA engine which IMHO is very good.

It also stated that the engine had been vigorously  tested in different climate/altitude.
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performance...turbo charger is from Borg-Warner
and most of the part in the engine compartment is from japan...brand is mostly denso
aircon use the best...sanden brand
CVT from punch
proton's other part came from all around the world..like saga...got some part from turkey, from france...etc


Added on February 15, 2012, 5:06 pm
QUOTE(stormlcc @ Feb 15 2012, 04:58 PM)
yeah the gearbox limits the amount of torque that can be produced by the engine, if it's stronger, this engine has huge potential.  i really do hope they can plug this engine into the SAGA, it'll be awesome if the price remains at around 50k max, P2 will really eat dust
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they already did
the 1.6L IAFM+ of course...not CFE
the 1.3L IAFM+ + CVT = user already go 180KM/H
the 1.6L IAFM+ must be even faster
if put in CFE...not sure the car can handle or not tongue.gif

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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Feb 15 2012, 05:11 PM)
these are not turbocharged right?

new slogan for Perodua 1.5 Meevi will be "Lagi underPower, Lagi Best!"
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nope...not turbocharged
only the CFE is turbocharged
in saga, they only change the GB from 4AT to CVT
solved alot of problems like underpower and FC
some ppl say the 1.3L IAFM + CVT already powerful
try imagine..the 1.6L must be able to reach higher top speed
if CFE...can fly already
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QUOTE(CooShyRee @ Feb 15 2012, 05:24 PM)
everythin sounds gud at the moment, but im sure all of us here r quite hesitant on how reliable this new drivetrain is..
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well..i saw somewhere said the exora CFE's CVT testing car is now reached 250k KM already and still continuing
that was like few months ago
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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Feb 15 2012, 05:56 PM)
and this +1

the more stuff they put in the car the more things will be broken and needs fixing.  if they let me choose, i'll choose only 1 power window for only the driver's side, the other 3 use manual, can last forever.  it's useless for all of them to be power windows because 99.9% of the time, passengers don't open them
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go buy saga BLM
front 2 only power window...rear is manual
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QUOTE(carrera_gt @ Feb 15 2012, 06:03 PM)
But wait....6-speed getrag manual x jadi lak...

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well...in saga FLX...it was late
late but still come
but still not alot buy
so i think its either proton still searching/testing for a suitable manual
or they're not gonna release manual because not alot of demand
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post Feb 15 2012, 06:34 PM

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QUOTE(carrera_gt @ Feb 15 2012, 06:31 PM)
really ek?

hopefully dey will introduce new 6-speed manual.. smile.gif
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maybe in FL?...but dn't get your hopes too high
manual now starting to extinct already
only available for supercars
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QUOTE(carrera_gt @ Feb 15 2012, 06:53 PM)
supercars? nowdays, its uses flappy paddle shift..
458 Italia has no manual version unless u rich enuf to made it...
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hopefully !

in b4 i butthurt too... tongue.gif
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certain lambo still uses manual because u can control the gear and RPM better
for cheap cars....mostly auto already
manual starting to extinct as no one wants it
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QUOTE(nzh0920 @ Feb 15 2012, 07:04 PM)
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other country also got ... but malaysia one cut it off i think due to useless  tongue.gif
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European standard i think
for what...ask the one who started it all
in malaysia...most ppl will not touch that button and keep it ON only
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QUOTE(carrera_gt @ Feb 15 2012, 07:07 PM)
dats why i envy Lambo a lot...especially LP550-2 Valentino Balboni~
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cheap cars lak...
hmm..everyone is getting lazy...sorry if its offended u all..

its mainly due to traffic jam..  doh.gif

but i agree cuz modern auto is better than manual...shift faster too...
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not lazy...main cause is traffic jam
constantly having your left leg pumping that clutch...long term...u will cry
but for a weekend car...its great
mean if drive a manual car once in a while/during weekends...its great
but driving it everyday especially weekdays and into traffic jam...its a killer
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i saw alot of foreign country ppl
they prefer to put the baby chair at the front if they drive themselves(alone)
but if put in front, they would place the chair backward...facing the chair, not facing the front windscreen
i dn't think car manufacturer just put the ON/OFF button there cuz that cost extra money to do it...if its useless, they wouldn't put it there also cuz it saves them cost
and since they say this car will meet international standard thn i think this feature is a standard set by some govt(means its required to have it to qualify)
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QUOTE(CooShyRee @ Feb 15 2012, 08:44 PM)
funny, really funny.. juz becoz of a single airbag on/off button which is sumthin thats standard all across other manufacturers these days some people wanna critic, all becoz the car in question has a proton badge doh.gif y dont u guys say the same, when say.... VW does it????
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typical la
VW have it = WOW
BMW have it = wow,german engineering
proton have it = for what oh, waste only, no use in malaysia...bashings
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QUOTE(mezzi-quan @ Feb 15 2012, 09:20 PM)
haha, when honda gt gearbox problem those ppl din even rage, summore wan defend honda, naza n proton gt minor prob oni rage like thrs no tomoro........mahresians oh mahresians
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japanese car in malaysia so under-spec also not on single one say anything


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