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post Feb 15 2012, 08:39 PM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Feb 15 2012, 07:58 PM)
torque is torque . power is power mah.. torque stay at 200nm and power can increase to 150bhp right?
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can if they have used twin scroll turbo to supply max boost during low up until high rpm..
but they decided otherwise because of the cost
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post Feb 15 2012, 09:24 PM

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QUOTE(dadurtyz @ Feb 15 2012, 09:18 PM)
campro with improved IAFM + CFE
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no iafm, as the air intake has only 1 profile..
but it is equipped with cvvt on the intake side

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post Feb 15 2012, 09:29 PM

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QUOTE(mezzi-quan @ Feb 15 2012, 09:27 PM)
a turbocharged campro engine wif a better CPS system( means it wil perform better than the normal CPS).....
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no no..
cps is a VARIABLE VALVE LIFT system
while CFE is turbo + CVVT

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post Feb 15 2012, 09:36 PM

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QUOTE(mezzi-quan @ Feb 15 2012, 09:34 PM)
hmm.........i tot CPS is CVVT? i mean different name but same concept? CFE using a better CVVT system than the normal CPS .....

correct me if im wrong, noob here brows.gif  brows.gif
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no cps system is just like vtec where by there two valve lift profiles.. that is all.. while cvvt changes the cam phase depending on the rpm
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post Feb 15 2012, 09:42 PM

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QUOTE(mezzi-quan @ Feb 15 2012, 09:40 PM)
oh ic, so vtec n cps is VVT, while CVVT is a better n newer technology.........ok got it.....learnt sumtin new today thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
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er VTEC and CPS only alters the valve lift not the valve timing itself, while CVVT alters the valve timing and not valve lift..
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post Feb 15 2012, 10:06 PM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Feb 15 2012, 10:04 PM)
hard to explain in words cos power is not a direct measurement, it's measured figure derived from torque measurement of a rotating crankshaft.

a simple example
user posted image

u see 2 curves, the torque curve doesnt peak at high rpm, while the power curve peaks at high rpm..

to get this curve, only torque (orange) is measured, power (blue)  curve is derived from calculation of the torque x rpm
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this notworthy.gif ..

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post Feb 16 2012, 05:11 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ Feb 16 2012, 01:32 AM)
That is what I am asking  blush.gif
With CFE, don't you think Proton has gone as far as they could with the Campro engine?
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actually they can go down the direct injection path for campro, but after looking at the quality of the petrol here in msia, they decided otherwise..
anyway campro is quite modular, that is why proton is using it up until now, coz they can pick and mix any tech to this engine during r&d..

anyway the Y family engine is under preliminary works.. but the future of the project rests ultimately on the hands of their new owner..

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post Feb 16 2012, 01:55 PM

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QUOTE(xshiro @ Feb 16 2012, 11:04 AM)
proton ones - basic vvt

toyota version - dynamic vvt / vvt intelligent
cvvt - Continuous vvt

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nope proton's vvt in cfe is CVVT
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post Feb 20 2012, 09:42 AM

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QUOTE(AlexLee277 @ Feb 18 2012, 08:23 PM)
drive proton memang excited one! last week my compressor suddenly overheat and melted 2 fuse, my car come out a lot of white smoke in the middle of the 3 lanes while waiting traffic light.

im very excited that time...

beside that, my car will vibrate like there is no tomorrow at 80kmh.

so, proton guaranteed no boring.  thumbup.gif
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MY SELL/BUY THREAD
**[WTS]TOYOTA DEALER @ KL/SELANGOR ; TRADE IN ACCEPTED


ooh toyota dealer here brows.gif rolleyes.gif
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post Feb 21 2012, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Feb 21 2012, 09:54 AM)
Ha ha, If I own this car future for the big logo must be take out and replace a smaller size or "K" sign logo.

The option to mod the front tanki salong to be replace as chrome flat bar grill. Wow look more cool smile.gif
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kia p3-21a.. hahaha laugh.gif
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post Feb 21 2012, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Feb 21 2012, 10:09 AM)
Have no chose cause recent is a Korean fashion smile.gif
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ive seen a vanette with cps 1.6 sticker though..
and an yellow evo 7 with a proton logo in internet..
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post Feb 21 2012, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(BuFung @ Feb 21 2012, 11:35 AM)
I heard the Inspira gonna have a new facelift with much bigger engine..  and I spot in on the road...

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

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this is the fabled inspira campro notworthy.gif flex.gif
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post Feb 21 2012, 11:54 AM

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QUOTE(BuFung @ Feb 21 2012, 11:47 AM)
can u read the engine capacity??  it is 6.1....  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
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fuu campro 6.1 v12 laugh.gif
anyway back to topic plz laugh.gif
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post Feb 21 2012, 01:14 PM

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Feb 21 2012, 12:35 PM)
6.1L V12 = ferrari/aventador engine inside tongue.gif


Added on February 21, 2012, 12:39 pm
haha
manual would unleash the true full power of the CFE brows.gif (cuz the CVT is limiting its torque)
but even the saga FLX's manual came late and not a handful buy it as well
this p3-21a...not sure will be manual or not...or they're searching for a suitable ones
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theyre goind for getrag 6 speed manual for the hatchback p3-22a.. and the engine will be uprated to 150hp from the rumours la coz the manual gb can take alot more torque than the poor cvt
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post Feb 21 2012, 01:22 PM

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Feb 21 2012, 01:20 PM)
the CVT can but have to use other model
like saga..using VT2...this one using VT3
want more torque from CFE using CVT thn have to use different model...mean more expensive
manual surely can unleash full torque...mean not 208nm
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vt3 is the best that zf got right now if im not mistaken.. proton can use jatco cvt like the lancer one that can take highr torque.. but the unit is much bigger and heavier compared to the zf


Added on February 21, 2012, 1:22 pm
QUOTE(turbocharged @ Feb 21 2012, 01:21 PM)
why suddenly proton is rushing into turbo racing sector, while we are seeing jazz hybrid and other hybrid at as low as rm85k.....

do we have so many boy racer at rm60-80k segment? hhmmm
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following euro car manufacturers..
and maybe because it is hot here so battery will kong much faster

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post Feb 21 2012, 01:29 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Feb 21 2012, 01:25 PM)
Sorry may I ask for 6 speed manual GB.

Even the short distance road,
I may not in used until 5th gear then to be end already.

If the 6th gear just fun for highway..

Also when revers gear is can't remember which one direction to be correctly... Ha ha

If you have it experience can be sharing here.
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the ratio will be shorter between the gears or the 6th gear will be the cruise gear..
haha
the reverse gear will be up + forward usually
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post Feb 22 2012, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ Feb 22 2012, 09:53 AM)
Because Campro  too laggy, cannot chase robbers  tongue.gif

Do they even have Campro cars in their inventory? Are their Wajas Campro?
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got waja campro e
waja cps..
lolol
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post Mar 1 2012, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(kevintth @ Mar 1 2012, 10:48 AM)
im not bashing mindlessly... i was referring to Jumbuck (Arena). as i thought Ancap not that strict compare to Euroncap.  So if Jumbuck can score 1 star for ancap, then 0 star for Eurocap lolx... see this video. It does not deserve for 1 star. Crash till like this... omg. At least Saga, Waja and Exora score 3 stars and above.

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uuh so white
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post Mar 9 2012, 10:25 PM

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QUOTE(FrostLance @ Mar 9 2012, 10:17 PM)
heh the centre console buttons looks cheap n plasticky. but aint all cars plasticky these days..
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itulah i dunno why proton cant use steel and carbon fibre for the interior like kia forte vmad.gif
ayam raging nao laugh.gif
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post Mar 14 2012, 10:38 AM

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QUOTE(yeohcl @ Mar 14 2012, 10:37 AM)
Thanks for the tip icon_rolleyes.gif Still with high hopes that the car is equipped with this effect tongue.gif
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this car has daytime running lights led ler

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