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ckk125
post Feb 15 2012, 05:49 PM

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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Feb 15 2012, 05:42 PM)
Toyota is using the one made by Fuji Heavy Industry (Subaru). Toyota has some shares in FHI. 

Honda not very sure. Also own house developed I guess.

BTW, the VT2 and VT3 is a continuation of the original VT1 used in the Mini One CVT and also Rover. Hyundai did toyed with the VT1 but it was dropped in favour for its own house developed 6-speed auto box we can see everywhere now in their Sonata, Tucson and Optima.
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toyota = toyota cvt
honda = honda cvt
Nissan = JATCO CVT(owned by nissan)
Mitsubishi = JATCO CVT
Inspira = JATCO CVT
Proton = PUNCH CVT

comparison, honda most unreliable = thanks for honda sc pouring wrong transmission fluid

Most responsive = toyota

Smoothest = Jatco

Cheapest = Punch.

Most reliable = Jatco + toyota.

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post Feb 15 2012, 05:53 PM

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QUOTE(ericmaxman @ Feb 15 2012, 05:51 PM)
Same goes to Forte doh.gif
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forte's problem is the brake switch, always kaput..then have to hold the button for 10 seconds...

man, i rather have normal key lah...faster and easier.

Maybe just for forte, other makes doesnt seem to have problems with the brake switch
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QUOTE(dvinez @ Feb 15 2012, 05:52 PM)
why none say if all those high tech thing rosak will cost a bomb to repair?
inspira vroom vroomm?
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inspira and proton all cheap stuffs, u know...proton absorbers only rm 100 for rears...and rm 150 for fronts..

other cars costs twice if not thrice the price.


Added on February 15, 2012, 5:55 pm
QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Feb 15 2012, 05:54 PM)
those are proton internal slides and are meant for internal circulation only, not for the public.

as for the CVT Reliability, its a gamble. All I could say is, if you really tempted then just gather up your courage to try it or else you can just stick with the usual, more conservative T&H B segments. So far, I've clocked more than 11,000km in my VT2 and so far so good. No unwanted incidents happening to my CVT yet. The only concern about belt based CVT is the durability of the belt itself. I am ready for it in case it snaps. flex.gif
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T&H also going for cvt already...it is time to move on.... tongue.gif

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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Feb 15 2012, 05:58 PM)
err... Honda City (malaysian spec)

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haha...insight? tongue.gif

but otherwise, cvts are reliable, they are like girls, can last long, but need proper care. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(tonitoni @ Feb 15 2012, 10:43 PM)
more accurate to use torque..155hp lancer GT oso use cvt wat whistling.gif


Added on February 15, 2012, 10:44 pm
ok bro..u can tailored it yourself and call it CFE code AR188 laugh.gif JK
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cannot compare like that. the lancer's uses a torque converter

the lancer's cvt is a much larger unit, in fact, it has the specs of the 2.5L taena.

the 2.4l sportback, which uses a cvt, has 226NM of torque
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post Feb 15 2012, 11:01 PM

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QUOTE(tonitoni @ Feb 15 2012, 11:00 PM)
u can refer punch website on how they categorize their VT series on their specific application..they are specialist btw nod.gif
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im aware of that. both are very different CVTs

one uses a torque converter, another does not.

also, the Jatco unit is one of the smoothest, was even mentioned by journalists.
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Feb 15 2012, 11:03 PM)
look at golf, from 2.0turbo gti to 1.3 diesel. all using the same body.

proton might do this too, it make sense. not everyone needs a turbo


Added on February 15, 2012, 11:03 pm
of cos smooth la, one of the most poweful feeling.

the slyphy one feels very punchy.
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cuz the engine is very torquey, despite the low horsepower.

good example that 0-100 doesnt matter, the torque curve is the most important.
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post Feb 16 2012, 01:03 PM

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QUOTE(xshiro @ Feb 16 2012, 11:04 AM)
proton ones - basic vvt

toyota version - dynamic vvt / vvt intelligent
cvvt - Continuous vvt

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proton got variable valve timing, on intake and exhaust cams btw..

4b10 and 4b11, of course. tongue.gif

it is equivalent to toyota dual vvti
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post Feb 16 2012, 02:27 PM

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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Feb 16 2012, 02:24 PM)
"MIVEC was first introduced in 1992 in their 4G92 powerplant, a 1,597 cc naturally aspirated DOHC 16 valve straight-4.[2] At the time, the first generation of the system was named Mitsubishi Innovative Valve timing and lift Electronic Control"

again .. its a jargon only ... the naming ...
wat i trying to says is why VTEC and MIVEC older days are amazing .. is becoz of the LIFT ..


Added on February 16, 2012, 2:26 pmThe newer days Mivec is ... Valve timing only ..

yes .. never vtec comes with both .. timing and lift ...
basically all vvt works continous ... the LIFT will only comes kicking on certain range .. (if the engine comes with the lift)
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but new mivec comes with both...haha

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post Feb 21 2012, 09:04 PM

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QUOTE(-cmi- @ Feb 21 2012, 08:21 PM)
If Proton want produce more expensive car, they need to fix their reputation 1st.
Rebuild their reputation, gain trust from customer and after that, they can start thinking about producing expensive car.
If Proton build RM150k car in mass quantity, with their current reputation, it just suicide.
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even the inspira was a partial suicide
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post Feb 27 2012, 07:30 PM

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QUOTE(ryudox @ Feb 27 2012, 07:23 PM)
Poison...  biggrin.gif

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er...poison what?
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post Mar 9 2012, 09:59 PM

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delete.wrong info

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post Mar 9 2012, 10:14 PM

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okay, proton did it again, they put the signal stalk on the left again
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Mar 9 2012, 10:20 PM)
it's normal
its only a matter of getting used
signal right side = japanese
signal left side = european
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not normal, proton aint conti car.haha

my proton is on the right, inspira that is. tongue.gif


Added on March 9, 2012, 10:29 pm
QUOTE(dares @ Mar 9 2012, 10:24 PM)
Eh? Proton cars have had their signal stalk on the left since...Waja wor...12 years ago.
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inspira's on the right. tongue.gif

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post Mar 13 2012, 07:48 PM

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QUOTE(37867 @ Mar 13 2012, 07:44 PM)
C segment = forte, civic, lancer, Mazda 3,
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post Mar 17 2012, 09:46 PM

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QUOTE(zif @ Mar 17 2012, 04:06 PM)
From Headlightmag.com review
Vios (4AT) 0-100km/h: 12.10s, 80-120: 9.59s FC: 14.52 km/l (110km/h), Max Speed: 178km/h

I think P3-21A should be compared with C-secment cars (Altis, Civic, Lancer EX, etc).
Altis (1.6G 4AT) 0-100km/h: 11.74s, 80-120: 8.50s FC: 15.14 km/l (110km/h), Max Speed: 187km/h@4500rpm
Altis (1.8G CVT) 0-100km/h: 10.28s, 80-120: 7.96s FC: 15.33 km/l (110km/h), Max Speed: 190km/h@4500rpm
Altis (2.0V CVT) 0-100km/h: 9.56s, 80-120: 7.69s FC: 14.12 km/l (110km/h), Max Speed: 185km/h@4200rpm
Lancer EX (1.8 CVT) 0-100km/h: 12.78s, 80-120: 9.28s FC: 12.92 km/l (110km/h), Max Speed: 195km/h@5700rpm
Lancer EX (2.0 CVT) 0-100km/h: 10.61s, 80-120: 7.64s FC: 11.85 km/l (110km/h), Max Speed: 200km/h@6200rpm
Civic FD (1.8 5AT) 0-100km/h: 11.72s, 80-120: 9.37s FC: 15.36 km/l (110km/h), Max Speed: 199km/h@5400rpm
Civic FD (2.0 5AT) 0-100km/h: 10.38s, 80-120: 7.70s FC: 14.74 km/l (110km/h), Max Speed: 220km/h@6600rpm

I really want to read P3-21A review from Headlightmag.com but unfortunately PNA (Proton Distributor in Thailand) don't let him review any proton car.
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this is wrong to start with.

lancer 2.0 at 110km/h gets 14km/l
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post Mar 18 2012, 05:44 PM

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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Mar 18 2012, 05:30 PM)
of cos must say technician/mechanic/foreman damaged it la.

tuduh tuduh, maki maki.

get free dashboard change, all happy biggrin.gif
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since when he is happy..he sked toyota people touch dashboard then got rattling sound...so much for confidence in toyota sc yawn.gif

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